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[Neyfakh] Up till now,
I have been telling you
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the part
of the Iran-Contra story
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that was hidden
from the American public.
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But when a U.S. cargo plane
went down in Central America
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and a Lebanese magazine
reported on a secret trip
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to Iran
by senior Reagan officials,
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the contours of a strange
scheme became visible.
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And all of a sudden,
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the walls of Oliver North's
room 392 were breached.
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The country had
a lot of questions.
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And it wasn't just
North's destiny
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that would hang
in the balance,
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but also the legacy
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of the president
he had served.
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The brewing scandal
felt eerily familiar
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to one the country had been
through a decade before.
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Everybody remembered
Watergate as, like,
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this television event.
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[no audible dialogue]
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So a lot of people
just wanted to write
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about the television event
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and about the people
involved in it,
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you know,
some of these real characters,
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when that wasn't
the story at all.
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It was far more sophisticated,
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complex and frankly scarier
than Watergate--
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far scarier than Watergate.
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I'm Leon Neyfakh.
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This is Fiasco--
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the Story of Iran-Contra.
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Before we look at the public
face of Iran-Contra,
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let's take a moment
to remember how it all began.
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[cheers and applause]
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Place your left hand
on the [inaudible] Bible
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and raise your right hand
and repeat...
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In January of 1981,
Reagan became president
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of the United States
in a landslide.
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The American people were
giving up on Jimmy Carter,
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a president
who had been crippled
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by the 1979 hostage crisis.
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Reagan's promise
that he would be tough
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on terror struck a chord.
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[Reagan] The United States
gives terrorists no rewards
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and no guarantees.
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We make no concessions.
We make no deals.
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Ronald Reagan set
Americans' expectations
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and the world's expectations
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that this would be the toughest
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anti-terrorist
American administration
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that anyone had ever seen.
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But halfway
through Reagan's second term,
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the United States still
had hostages in Lebanon.
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While some had been freed,
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even more had been
taken captive
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amid ongoing negotiations
with Iran.
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In his interactions
with the press, Ronald Reagan,
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the one-time great
communicator, began to falter.
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It seemed the president
now found himself trapped
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in a situation he couldn't
talk his way out of.
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If your arms shipments
had no effect
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on the release of the hostages,
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then how do you explain
the release of the hostages
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at the same time that
the shipments were coming in?
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The--it's a strange situation.
As I say, we...
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Publicly,
the president was issuing
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firm denials of wrongdoing...
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There was no deception
intended by us.
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We had to have it limited
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to only the barest number
of people that had to know.
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I was not breaking any law
in doing that.
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...while privately the
administration was scrambling
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to manage the fallout of the
arms-for-hostages scandal.
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The public had yet
to find out
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that that was just one half
of a convoluted plot
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that connected it to another
brewing controversy:
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America's secret support
for the Contra War in Nicaragua.
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[man 1] It's going to be very
hard indeed for the president
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to regain a tactical
advantage on this.
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[man 2] Tonight, they called
on Attorney General Meese
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to set up
an independent investigation
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of both the arms deal
and the Contra connection.
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Ed Meese,
the attorney general,
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had long been a close confidant
of Ronald Reagan,
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dating back to when Reagan
was governor of California
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and Meese was
his chief of staff.
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Mutual friends would say
that theirs was a relationship
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based on fierce loyalty.
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Look, is that--
is that something
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that you shouldn't have
with an attorney general?
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That doesn't necessarily
have to be the case.
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I mean, I think you could have
a close relationship
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with the attorney general
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as long as
the attorney general understands
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that his first responsibility
is to protect the Constitution
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and protect and enforce
the laws of this country.
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So help me God.
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- Congratulations, sir.
- Thank you.
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His first responsibility
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is not to the president,
but to the country.
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I will try to carry out the job
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in a way that will merit
your confidence.
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I appreciate it.
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I've got a problem with
a neighbor out around--
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When the Reagan White House
needed help,
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they called in Meese
to provide the guidance
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he had always loyally given.
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In this case,
they wanted Meese
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to put the facts together
to help them understand
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what had actually happened.
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My name is Chuck Cooper.
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I was
the assistant attorney general
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for the Office of Legal Counsel
in the Department of Justice
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during the second term
of the Reagan administration.
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My office had been
very much involved
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with Ed Meese,
the attorney general,
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in trying to identify
the sweep of legal issues
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that had been raised
by these events.
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Reagan instructed Ed Meese
to take control
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and that everybody
in the administration,
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in these agencies,
were to cooperate with Ed
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and his effort to get
to the bottom of the facts.
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There was a meeting
in Admiral Poindexter's office
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in the White House,
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and Ed Meese asked me
to come along to this meeting.
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And we were going over
prepared testimony
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that CIA Director Casey
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was going to deliver
the following day.
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And while we were
going through this,
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the person in the room,
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who was clearly the person
in possession of the facts,
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was Colonel North who,
at that time, I didn't know.
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As we were going over it,
line by line,
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Casey's written
prepared statement,
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I remember very well
that Oliver North insisted
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that a particular
factual change be made
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in that prepared testimony.
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The CIA director, Bill Casey,
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planned to testify
that his department
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hadn't known
about their aircraft
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carrying shipments
of Hawk missiles to Iran
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until after the fact.
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Col. North insisted that
that be revised to say no one
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in the United States government
knew that that had happened.
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Ed Meese and I certainly
didn't have any reason at all
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to question Oliver North's
understanding of the facts,
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and we didn't.
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And, as far as we could tell,
no one else in the room
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had any reason
to question Oliver North.
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As I was leaving,
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Peter Wallison
saw me in the hall.
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He asked me to join him
in his office.
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While Chuck Cooper
was in my office,
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we were going over
some testimony
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that Bill Casey
was going to make.
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The counsel to the State
Department called me
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and said that
Secretary of State Shultz
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had heard someone
tell the president
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that some Hawk missiles
had been sent to Iran
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and the hostages
would be released.
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And that was directly contrary
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to what we had just
agreed upon
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was the fact that no one
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in the United States
government knew
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about these 85 arms shipments.
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But we had to find out
what the actual facts were.
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And the trouble is
the facts kept changing.
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That, to us,
was a very serious problem.
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Too many people
inside the administration
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were saying different things
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that didn't jibe
with each other.
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And the president
was getting a little bit
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too close to the fire here.
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He could get burned from this.
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And so Meese's goal for himself
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was to make the case
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that Reagan
knew nothing about it.
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And so he went
about interviewing
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most of the key players.
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[Neyfakh] As word of Meese's
investigation spread,
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Reagan's national
security advisor,
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John Poindexter, called
Oliver North to tell him
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that investigators would be
coming to search his office.
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North had been taking notes
and writing memos
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for years at this point,
and the call from Poindexter
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set off a frenzy
in North's office.
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[McManus]
Ollie North knew that
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Ed Meese's investigators
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were on the trail
that could expose the diversion
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and who knows what else.
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So he told his secretary,
Fawn Hall, "We're in trouble.
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We've got to get rid
of some of these documents."
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North needed to get rid
of any evidence
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that would expose
the diversion of funds
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from the sale of weapons in Iran
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to support the Contras
in Nicaragua.
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He was determined
to protect the president.
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Where they could,
Oliver North and Fawn Hall
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altered the documents to align
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with North's altered
chronology of events.
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But with investigators
making the rounds,
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they finally took stacks
of documents
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and began to shred them.
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At one point,
North and Hall had stuffed
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so many documents
into one of his shredders
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that it jammed.
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Meanwhile, across the street
at the White House,
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John Poindexter
was also cleaning house.
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[indistinct chatter]
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The only thing that I know
that was destroyed
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was the preliminary draft
of the covert finding,
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which I destroyed.
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[Neyfakh]
The so-called finding
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that Poindexter destroyed
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was a document
signed by Reagan
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stating that the purpose
of the arms sales
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was to rescue
American hostages.
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[Poindexter]
I decided that
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the first version
of the finding
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was not a complete explanation
of what we were doing,
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was not important,
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and so I personally
destroyed it.
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I brought it home
and put it in a can
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and lit a match to it.
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[Neyfakh] So that took care
of that at least.
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But there was also the matter
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of something called
the PROFS system,
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an early version of email
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that John Poindexter,
Bud McFarlane,
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and Oliver North had used
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to communicate
about the arms deals.
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As Meese's investigators
began combing
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the National Security Council
files,
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Poindexter deleted thousands
of notes from his computer.
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[Byrne]
When Ed Meese sent
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two of his
very senior aides
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to Oliver North's office
to look for files,
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North was still there.
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He happened to be
shredding documents
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as they were investigating.
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[Naughton] Meese's
investigators were looking
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for a couple of things, one:
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whether this had been
truly an exchange of weapons
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for the release of hostages.
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At the same time, they wanted
to know, was it authorized?
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If so, was it disclosed
to Congress?
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[Neyfakh]
The two investigators
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were trying to be quiet
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so as not to tip off
Oliver North
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to anything they might find.
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Then, suddenly,
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one of them stumbled
upon something amazing--
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a document that tied
the illegal weapons deal
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with Iran explicitly
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to another covert
operation entirely.
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[Byrne] And one of
the investigators remembers
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kicking the other
under the table
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and showing him the memo
that raised the idea
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of diverting
arms sales revenues
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from the Iran deals
to the Nicaraguan Contras.
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But they didn't want
North to know
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that they had found this item.
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[Neyfakh] Meese's aides, Brad
Reynolds and John Richardson,
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read the memo,
slipped it back into the file,
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quietly put everything
back in its place,
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and left to meet with Meese.
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Meanwhile, North was still
at work next door.
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[tense music]
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[McManus] Oliver North
and Fawn Hall tried to destroy
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everything they could,
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but by the time they knew
they had to leave,
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they hadn't
shredded everything.
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So Fawn Hall,
North's loyal secretary,
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stuffed some documents
in her boots
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and in the back of her blouse
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and turned around
and asked North,
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"Does this look all right?"
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And she marched out of the
Old Executive Office Building,
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next to the White House,
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with documents
inside her blouse.
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[Cooper] We met
at the Old Ebbitt Grill,
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in a booth, the four of us--
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Ed Meese, me, Brad Reynolds,
and John Richardson,
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and we're kind
of reporting to Ed
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what we had learned.
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Brad said, "Ed,
I've come across something."
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He reported that it said
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$12 million
from the transfer of arms
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to the Iranians
would be placed
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in an account controlled
by the Contras,
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or for the benefit
of the Contras.
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And that, obviously,
stunned everybody.
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Nobody even remotely suspected
anything like that
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would be connected with this
arms-for-hostages scenario.
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And Ed, for the only time
in my--now, what--
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almost 40-year relationship,
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heard him use
a four-letter word.
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And he just looked
and he said, "Oh, shit."
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[grave music]
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[McManus]
And that discovery,
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of the fact that
the diversion had occurred
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was what turned
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an Iran scandal
and a Contra scandal
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into the Iran-Contra scandal.
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[suspenseful music]
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[Cooper] The diversion
memo was discovered.
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Here was something that
everybody was going to agree
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was a terrible thing.
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The immediate question was--
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what were the implications
of that revelation?
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That diversion was a misuse
of federal funds,
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had not been authorized
by Congress,
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and, at least insofar
as those of us at the--
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in the booth
at the Old Ebbitt Grill knew,
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it had had no authorization
by the president.
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And so it was a diversion
that was completely unauthorized
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by any lawful authority.
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[Neyfakh] The investigators
went to confront North
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about the document.
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They hoped
that he would tell them
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that the so-called
diversion of funds
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had just been an idea,
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that they could just forget
about it and move on.
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Instead, North told them
that it had really happened.
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That meant they would need
to tell the president.
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[Cooper] Ed made clear
to the president his advice,
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that these facts, and
in particular the diversion,
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would need to be disclosed
to Congress
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and to the American people
very soon.
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[Kuhn] When Ed Meese
briefed Reagan
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about the diversion
of funds,
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Reagan was just
absolutely blown away.
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He was totally unaware of it.
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[Neyfakh] The next morning,
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President Reagan agreed
to hold a press conference.
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Though he didn't
fully understand
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the scandal just yet,
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he knew one thing--
heads would have to roll.
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Yesterday, Secretary Meese
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provided me and the White House
chief of staff
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with a report
on his preliminary findings.
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They found the diversion
of funds,
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and they decided that
they would focus on that issue
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because they could
reasonably portray it
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as something the president
did not know about,
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and that was known
to so few people
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that they could just sweep
those guys out the front door,
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sacrifice them,
and make this thing go away.
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Vice Admiral John Poindexter
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has asked to be relieved
of his assignment
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as assistant to the president
for National Security Affairs
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and return to another
assignment in the Navy.
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Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North
has been relieved of his duties
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on the National Security
Council staff.
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So I was in the White House
press room.
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I'm going to ask Attorney
General Meese to brief you
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on what we presently know
of what he has found out.
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[reporter] Is anyone else gonna
be let go, sir?
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And it was at that point
that Ed Meese said...
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Certain monies,
which were received
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in the transaction between
representatives of Israel
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and representatives of Iran,
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were taken
and made available
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to the forces in Central America
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which are opposing
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the Sandinista
government there.
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Our estimate is that
it is somewhere
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between $10 million
and $30 million.
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[McManus] And I can
remember that moment.
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There was a gasp
by the reporters in the room.
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It was as if time had
sort of skipped a moment.
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It was a,
"Wait, what did he just say?"
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[Neyfakh] Ed Meese's
press conference
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shocked the leaders of Israel
and the Contras,
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both of whom he had just
implicated in the operation.
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Immediately,
Meese fielded a call
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from Israel's prime minister,
Shimon Peres,
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who stated plainly
that he would not
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be taking responsibility
for the diversion.
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In Miami,
another denial was coming
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from the leaders
of the Contras,
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who were now being asked to
account for $30 million
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said to have been
funneled into their war.
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There has been
no secret bank account
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and there has been
no arrangements by Colonel North
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to such effect.
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[Neyfakh] And in Nicaragua,
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the president of
the Sandinista government
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now had his suspicions
confirmed.
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[translator ]
It appears clear to us
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that this is
a scandalous situation
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in which President Reagan
is involved,
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in which he is really
sacrificing Poindexter
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and that other one
to find a way
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to save face
in this situation.
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[Neyfakh] Back in Washington,
Congress was in an uproar.
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[suspenseful music]
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It's gonna be a cold day
in Washington, D.C.
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before any more money
goes into Nicaragua.
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This thing has boiled down
into the darndest charade
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I ever heard of.
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Nothing could have happened
of this sort
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without the president
knowing it.
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[man] The attorney general
said later
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former National Security
Advisor McFarlane
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had also been aware
of the scheme.
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[Neyfakh] Bud McFarlane
called North
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to see what had happened
with the diversion memo.
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North replied,
"I missed one."
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With the scandal now
out in the open,
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the former
national security advisor
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struggled to cope
with his role
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in the decision-making
that had led up to it.
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Remorse doesn't quite
capture it.
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I--
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I'd failed my country
and allowed it
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to incur an enormous
embarrassment internationally.
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And I had exercised
bad judgment
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in allowing it
to go as far as it did.
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[Neyfakh] Even with North
and Poindexter fired,
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the administration
couldn't save Reagan
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from public scrutiny.
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His approval ratings,
which had been at 67 percent
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before the announcement,
plummeted immediately.
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The public didn't think they
were getting the full story.
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[woman] 41 percent say
they don't think
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the president
was telling the truth
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when he said
he was not fully informed.
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It's kinda hard to imagine
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him not knowing
what's going on,
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seeing as how
he's the president.
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It's my opinion--
making it look
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like our president
is pretty dumb.
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If Reagan didn't know
about it, he should have.
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It seemed to me like
that he's dealing
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a little bit above the law.
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I think he should step down.
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I think his credibility is
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totally, totally shot
at this point.
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I really never trusted
any of the governments
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when they're in power.
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Now, it just
reaffirms my thoughts.
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I feel that I moved to Maui,
and I don't have to deal
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with all this political stuff.
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[Neyfakh]
On November 26, 1986,
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the day after his bombshell
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press conference
with Ed Meese,
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President Reagan appeared
at the White House's
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annual Thanksgiving ceremony.
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[reporter] Mr. President,
what did you know
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about money going
to the Contras?
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All I know is this is just
going to taste wonderful,
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and I'm looking forward
to tomorrow.
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[Neyfakh] But a warm smile
and a one-liner
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weren't going to get
Reagan through this.
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[tense music]
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Three separate investigations
were announced.
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First, there was
the Tower Commission,
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a three-person panel
focused on finding out
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what went wrong
in the White House.
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Also, a team of prosecutors
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in the Office
of the Independent Counsel
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began a criminal probe.
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At the same time, Congress
prepared for public hearings.
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I'm Pamela Naughton,
and I was assistant counsel
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to the Select House Committee
on Iran-Contra.
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When I was growing up,
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we watched
the Watergate hearings.
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Once the administration admitted
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that there had been
a diversion to the Contras,
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I just had a feeling
I would be part of it.
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We actually worked in the attic
of the U.S. Capitol building.
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[Neyfakh]
The attic allowed Naughton
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and the other investigators
to set up a temporary SCIF,
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a restricted area designed
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to keep classified
information secret.
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[Naughton] The SCIF
was like working in a cave.
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And I have to confess,
once in a while,
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we'd sneak up to the roof
and sunbathe.
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[chuckles]
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And now I imagine
you can't do that anymore.
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[Neyfakh] The committees
quickly ran into a roadblock
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when key people
in the investigation
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began pleading the Fifth.
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Oliver North and John
Poindexter, among others,
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refused to cooperate
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without being
granted immunity,
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which would make
anything they said
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in the congressional
investigation off-limits
509
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:31,741
in the criminal proceedings.
510
00:22:31,872 --> 00:22:34,744
There are about 13 charges
511
00:22:34,875 --> 00:22:37,834
of obstruction of investigation
512
00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:39,923
and false statements.
513
00:22:40,794 --> 00:22:43,797
[Neyfakh] Ultimately, Congress
did grant the men immunity
514
00:22:43,927 --> 00:22:45,842
in exchange
for their testimony.
515
00:22:45,973 --> 00:22:48,062
The agreement meant
they would fully cooperate
516
00:22:48,192 --> 00:22:50,499
and also that they would turn
over any documentation
517
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:52,240
or recordings they had,
518
00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:55,112
including whatever remained
of Oliver North's notes.
519
00:22:55,243 --> 00:22:57,898
[Naughton] He was
a prodigious note-taker.
520
00:22:58,028 --> 00:23:00,901
When the notebooks arrived,
that was a very, very big deal.
521
00:23:01,031 --> 00:23:03,338
And we made copies
immediately,
522
00:23:03,469 --> 00:23:05,775
and everybody started
reading them.
523
00:23:05,906 --> 00:23:08,169
[Neyfakh] Although the three
investigations ran separately,
524
00:23:08,299 --> 00:23:10,780
each one produced reams
of evidence
525
00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:12,869
that together pointed
to a very different reality
526
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,654
than what the White House
527
00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:16,482
had been selling
to the American public.
528
00:23:16,612 --> 00:23:18,832
The big bombshell
529
00:23:18,962 --> 00:23:20,834
that the Tower Commission
came up with
530
00:23:20,964 --> 00:23:22,836
was the discovery
531
00:23:22,966 --> 00:23:26,535
of John Poindexter's
deleted email files--
532
00:23:26,666 --> 00:23:28,798
over 5,000 emails deleted.
533
00:23:28,929 --> 00:23:30,670
And you can see
the records nowadays
534
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,717
where, you know,
let's say, November 25th,
535
00:23:34,848 --> 00:23:39,592
at 1:00 in the morning,
he had 5,200 emails.
536
00:23:39,722 --> 00:23:40,984
November 25th, later in the day,
537
00:23:41,115 --> 00:23:43,770
after the press conference,
zero emails.
538
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:45,380
[chuckles]
539
00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:48,165
And that broke
the scandal wide open.
540
00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:51,125
[Neyfakh] The messages
showed that Oliver North
541
00:23:51,255 --> 00:23:54,084
had communicated
with Poindexter at every step.
542
00:23:54,215 --> 00:23:57,914
That brought the whole fiasco
one step closer to Reagan.
543
00:23:58,045 --> 00:24:00,134
Because John Poindexter
and Oliver North
544
00:24:00,264 --> 00:24:02,136
had pleaded the Fifth,
the Tower Commission
545
00:24:02,266 --> 00:24:04,921
wasn't able to meet
with them for interviews.
546
00:24:05,052 --> 00:24:07,184
But on several occasions,
the commission did meet
547
00:24:07,315 --> 00:24:09,099
with the president himself.
548
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:11,014
[Byrne] This proved
to be a turning point also
549
00:24:11,145 --> 00:24:14,583
because Reagan's story
changed over time.
550
00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:16,106
He said, basically,
551
00:24:16,237 --> 00:24:19,675
"I was aware of
and I authorized the Israelis
552
00:24:19,806 --> 00:24:23,026
to participate in this--
in these arms deals."
553
00:24:23,157 --> 00:24:26,029
Later on,
just a couple weeks later,
554
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,814
he claimed that
he didn't know anything
555
00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:29,206
about what had happened.
556
00:24:29,337 --> 00:24:31,600
So, how do you resolve this?
557
00:24:31,731 --> 00:24:33,297
[man] Last month,
558
00:24:33,428 --> 00:24:35,169
the president's statement
to the board agreed
559
00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:36,736
with McFarlane's,
but after a number of meetings
560
00:24:36,866 --> 00:24:38,302
with Chief of Staff
Donald Regan,
561
00:24:38,433 --> 00:24:40,174
the president told the board
he was mistaken
562
00:24:40,304 --> 00:24:42,306
and hadn't given approval
until much later.
563
00:24:42,437 --> 00:24:45,788
[Kuhn] We knew it was
going to scar Reagan,
564
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:47,616
that he would have
this indelible
565
00:24:47,747 --> 00:24:50,880
Iran-Contra scar forever.
566
00:24:51,011 --> 00:24:53,143
It was something
that I was very upset about,
567
00:24:53,274 --> 00:24:56,320
knowing that it hurt him,
that it set him back.
568
00:24:56,451 --> 00:24:57,931
[Neyfakh] Questions
increasingly focused
569
00:24:58,061 --> 00:24:59,976
on whether Reagan knew
about North
570
00:25:00,107 --> 00:25:02,109
diverting proceeds
from the Iran deal
571
00:25:02,239 --> 00:25:04,198
to the Contras in Nicaragua.
572
00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:07,244
There were people in Congress
talking about impeachment
573
00:25:07,375 --> 00:25:11,031
if it had been found that
Ronald Reagan's fingerprints
574
00:25:11,161 --> 00:25:13,990
were on that
flagrantly illegal deal.
575
00:25:14,121 --> 00:25:16,340
He's caught
between that dilemma
576
00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:19,213
of either being accused
of having known
577
00:25:19,343 --> 00:25:20,997
or being accused
of having not known.
578
00:25:21,128 --> 00:25:24,958
Whichever it was is bound
to lead to some criticism.
579
00:25:26,002 --> 00:25:29,049
[Neyfakh] Bud McFarlane
struggled with the accusations.
580
00:25:29,179 --> 00:25:31,138
[Teicher] McFarlane was
under intense pressure
581
00:25:31,268 --> 00:25:34,533
as the scandal unfolded.
582
00:25:34,663 --> 00:25:38,232
He was a lifelong servant
of the government,
583
00:25:38,362 --> 00:25:41,714
in the military, the Congress,
and the executive branch,
584
00:25:41,844 --> 00:25:43,280
suddenly being vilified
585
00:25:43,411 --> 00:25:46,806
as someone who might
bring down the president.
586
00:25:46,936 --> 00:25:49,896
This was how
everything was cast.
587
00:25:50,026 --> 00:25:51,985
What we had done
588
00:25:52,115 --> 00:25:55,162
could cost Ronald Reagan
his presidency.
589
00:25:55,292 --> 00:25:56,772
โช
590
00:25:56,903 --> 00:26:00,210
I reached the conclusion
591
00:26:00,341 --> 00:26:04,214
that, at least,
if you can't turn things around,
592
00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:09,002
maybe you can atone
for what's happened here
593
00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:11,744
by acknowledging
your own role in it
594
00:26:11,874 --> 00:26:13,223
and your failure in it.
595
00:26:13,354 --> 00:26:15,051
[Neyfakh]
Before he was to meet
596
00:26:15,182 --> 00:26:17,227
with the Tower Commission
for his third interview,
597
00:26:17,358 --> 00:26:19,969
McFarlane grew
increasingly desperate.
598
00:26:21,188 --> 00:26:24,191
He drafted letters
to his wife, to his lawyer,
599
00:26:24,321 --> 00:26:25,845
and to members of the House
600
00:26:25,975 --> 00:26:28,108
and Senate
Intelligence Committees.
601
00:26:28,238 --> 00:26:30,850
Then he swallowed
at least 20 pills of Valium.
602
00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:32,112
One of the most
important figures
603
00:26:32,242 --> 00:26:33,896
in the Iran-Contra affair,
604
00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:35,985
Robert McFarlane,
is in a hospital tonight.
605
00:26:36,116 --> 00:26:37,813
The former
national security advisor
606
00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:39,510
apparently took
an overdose of Valium,
607
00:26:39,641 --> 00:26:42,905
a tranquilizer often prescribed
to ease stress and anxiety.
608
00:26:43,036 --> 00:26:45,125
[McFarlane] It was foolish,
looking back,
609
00:26:45,255 --> 00:26:48,215
but it's just
more a comment
610
00:26:48,345 --> 00:26:51,479
on how deep
the depression had become.
611
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:55,048
And I won't develop for you
the nature of depression
612
00:26:55,178 --> 00:26:57,180
and how it develops
and how it can worsen
613
00:26:57,311 --> 00:26:59,922
and lead to a cycle
of decline.
614
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:03,056
And yet, that was
what was happening.
615
00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:06,929
It was very, very,
very hard for him.
616
00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:10,933
And as some people say,
there are some people
617
00:27:11,064 --> 00:27:14,937
who bend under pressure
and some who break.
618
00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:18,245
And at a certain point,
Bud broke,
619
00:27:18,375 --> 00:27:20,769
and it led him
to try to commit suicide.
620
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:22,989
And I understand that.
621
00:27:24,164 --> 00:27:26,383
[McFarlane] Those
who were involved, sure,
622
00:27:26,514 --> 00:27:29,038
they all bear a measure
of responsibility.
623
00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:30,300
But they weren't
decision-makers.
624
00:27:30,431 --> 00:27:33,042
I was, effectively.
625
00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:36,916
Everything that got done
in that administration
626
00:27:37,046 --> 00:27:38,308
on national security affairs,
627
00:27:38,439 --> 00:27:41,007
it did so because
I had approved it,
628
00:27:41,137 --> 00:27:43,009
I had recommended it,
629
00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:46,273
and the president had approved
what I had urged.
630
00:27:46,403 --> 00:27:49,972
I could only atone
from here on out
631
00:27:50,103 --> 00:27:51,931
by being honest
and telling the truth
632
00:27:52,061 --> 00:27:54,194
and not taking the Fifth.
633
00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:55,935
[suspenseful music]
634
00:27:56,065 --> 00:27:58,459
[Neyfakh]
On February 28, 1987,
635
00:27:58,589 --> 00:28:01,462
Reagan's long-time
speechwriter, Landon Parvin,
636
00:28:01,592 --> 00:28:03,377
drove through the back gates
of the White House
637
00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:05,118
towards the East Wing.
638
00:28:05,248 --> 00:28:06,859
In his briefcase,
he had secreted
639
00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:08,469
a thickly bound packet,
640
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:10,384
covered with his own
underlines and notes
641
00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:13,169
from interviews he had done
with Reagan's staff.
642
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:14,910
My name is Landon Parvin,
643
00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:17,304
and I was
a Reagan speechwriter.
644
00:28:17,434 --> 00:28:19,219
[Neyfakh] Parvin had
the reputation of someone
645
00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:22,178
who could write a politician
out of any tough bind.
646
00:28:22,309 --> 00:28:25,094
Iran-Contra was a job
for Landon Parvin.
647
00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:27,096
I definitely felt
it was a crisis.
648
00:28:27,227 --> 00:28:28,968
You could feel it on the news.
649
00:28:29,098 --> 00:28:30,360
You could feel it
in the building.
650
00:28:30,491 --> 00:28:33,363
I felt it--
the people I talked to.
651
00:28:34,277 --> 00:28:36,062
[Neyfakh] The Tower Report,
as it came to be called,
652
00:28:36,192 --> 00:28:37,150
had just been released.
653
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,326
Please be seated.
654
00:28:39,456 --> 00:28:40,980
Yes, the president
made mistakes.
655
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:43,156
I think that's
very plain English.
656
00:28:43,286 --> 00:28:45,375
The president
did make mistakes.
657
00:28:45,506 --> 00:28:47,247
[Neyfakh] Nancy Reagan
had set up a secret meeting
658
00:28:47,377 --> 00:28:49,031
in the White House residence
659
00:28:49,162 --> 00:28:51,425
to craft her husband's
public response.
660
00:28:52,469 --> 00:28:57,039
Going into that Friday meeting,
he looked upset.
661
00:28:57,170 --> 00:28:59,215
He looked shaken.
662
00:28:59,346 --> 00:29:03,132
You know, he usually had
an ebullience about him,
663
00:29:03,263 --> 00:29:05,918
but I didn't detect that.
664
00:29:06,048 --> 00:29:07,441
He was dressed very casually.
665
00:29:07,571 --> 00:29:11,358
He was in a--he was
in a running suit, I think.
666
00:29:11,488 --> 00:29:14,535
The casualness of his dress
667
00:29:14,665 --> 00:29:18,147
belied, I think,
how seriously he was taking it.
668
00:29:19,496 --> 00:29:22,369
John Tower was very direct,
669
00:29:22,499 --> 00:29:27,069
and the big question
670
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,986
was whether
the president could admit
671
00:29:31,117 --> 00:29:34,207
he traded arms for hostages.
672
00:29:34,337 --> 00:29:38,341
Everyone said he had--
he had to.
673
00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:40,561
I mean, there was
talk of impeachment.
674
00:29:40,691 --> 00:29:46,436
So this was not something
that could be dismissed.
675
00:29:46,567 --> 00:29:48,438
It had to be addressed.
676
00:29:48,569 --> 00:29:51,050
[Neyfakh]
In 300 sobering pages,
677
00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:53,008
the Tower Report
sharply criticized
678
00:29:53,139 --> 00:29:55,054
the Reagan administration.
679
00:29:55,184 --> 00:29:56,446
The president's aides
were accused
680
00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:58,535
of hiding information
from Congress
681
00:29:58,666 --> 00:30:00,494
and failing
to adequately convey
682
00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:03,453
to the president the risks
of what they were doing.
683
00:30:03,584 --> 00:30:05,368
The report saved
its harshest critique
684
00:30:05,499 --> 00:30:07,457
for President Reagan himself,
685
00:30:07,588 --> 00:30:10,983
saying that, as a leader,
he had been out to lunch.
686
00:30:11,113 --> 00:30:12,288
Everyone at the meeting agreed
687
00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:13,986
that he would now
need to come out
688
00:30:14,116 --> 00:30:15,814
and admit to the arms deals.
689
00:30:15,944 --> 00:30:19,121
Everyone, that is,
except for Ronald Reagan.
690
00:30:19,252 --> 00:30:21,167
[Parvin] I go home,
and I start writing.
691
00:30:21,297 --> 00:30:23,169
What I was most worried about
692
00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:26,825
was how the president
would react
693
00:30:26,955 --> 00:30:29,958
to admitting he traded arms
for hostages.
694
00:30:30,089 --> 00:30:34,093
And I had been in a dilemma
695
00:30:34,223 --> 00:30:38,227
how to say it
so he would accept it.
696
00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:42,144
I figured out the psychology
of how to get him
697
00:30:42,275 --> 00:30:45,408
to accept something
he didn't want to accept.
698
00:30:45,539 --> 00:30:47,497
A few months ago,
I told the American people
699
00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:50,587
I did not trade arms
for hostages.
700
00:30:50,718 --> 00:30:54,330
My heart and my best intentions
still tell me that's true.
701
00:30:54,461 --> 00:30:58,073
But the facts and the evidence
tell me it is not.
702
00:30:58,204 --> 00:31:00,075
[Parvin]
We had a window there,
703
00:31:00,206 --> 00:31:03,165
while he was shaken up by it,
704
00:31:03,296 --> 00:31:07,256
that he could say
what needed to be said.
705
00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:11,043
That window soon closed.
706
00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:12,479
[dramatic music]
707
00:31:12,609 --> 00:31:14,133
[Neyfakh]
In the coming months,
708
00:31:14,263 --> 00:31:16,222
practically everyone
on Reagan's team
709
00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:18,877
would lay out their version
of events under oath.
710
00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:20,530
It would be up
to the public to decipher
711
00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:22,706
if what they were
saying was true.
712
00:31:22,837 --> 00:31:25,405
Good evening. Throughout
the Iran-Contra affair,
713
00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:27,363
a central question has been--
714
00:31:27,494 --> 00:31:29,670
what did President Reagan know
and when did he know it?
715
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,542
[man] 29 remotely controlled
still cameras
716
00:31:32,673 --> 00:31:34,414
will record the scene
717
00:31:34,544 --> 00:31:37,243
as will every television
network in America.
718
00:31:37,373 --> 00:31:40,289
[Neyfakh] In May of 1987,
the world tuned in to watch
719
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:43,249
the joint House
and Senate hearings.
720
00:31:43,379 --> 00:31:44,380
By now, interest
in the scandal
721
00:31:44,511 --> 00:31:46,121
was at a fever pitch.
722
00:31:46,252 --> 00:31:47,601
[man] The line to get
723
00:31:47,731 --> 00:31:49,255
into the Senate Russell
Building Caucus Room
724
00:31:49,385 --> 00:31:51,431
was early and long.
725
00:31:51,561 --> 00:31:54,173
This is an historic moment.
It's like Watergate.
726
00:31:54,303 --> 00:31:56,262
[Naughton]
The Senate hearings were
727
00:31:56,392 --> 00:31:57,480
in the big Caucus Room.
728
00:31:57,611 --> 00:31:59,787
People will recognize it
729
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:03,051
because it has the big
high-back chairs in the back.
730
00:32:03,182 --> 00:32:04,444
Very ornate.
731
00:32:04,574 --> 00:32:07,403
It was a spectacle.
732
00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:09,579
[man] The joint hearings of
the House Select Committee
733
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:11,668
to investigate covert
arms transactions
734
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:14,541
with Iran will come to order.
735
00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:16,369
[Naughton]
Normally, in a courtroom,
736
00:32:16,499 --> 00:32:19,241
you're within ten feet
of the witness box.
737
00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:21,504
You can have a dialogue
with the witness,
738
00:32:21,635 --> 00:32:24,246
and it's unobstructed.
739
00:32:24,377 --> 00:32:26,727
When you're in Congress,
you're up on this dais,
740
00:32:26,857 --> 00:32:29,251
the witness is down
in the well,
741
00:32:29,382 --> 00:32:31,645
and there's 50 photographers
between you,
742
00:32:31,775 --> 00:32:34,822
and they're constantly
snapping like little birds.
743
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:36,606
[camera shutters snapping]
744
00:32:36,737 --> 00:32:39,435
They're crawling around
and walking around,
745
00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:42,482
and people are going in and out
of the hearing room.
746
00:32:42,612 --> 00:32:45,485
We had demonstrators.
We had people holding signs.
747
00:32:45,615 --> 00:32:47,574
[man] Why don't you ask him
about how many noncombatants
748
00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:50,316
have been killed
by this putrid--?
749
00:32:50,446 --> 00:32:52,448
It's an almost
impossible forum
750
00:32:52,579 --> 00:32:54,537
in which to find the facts.
751
00:32:54,668 --> 00:32:57,279
Mr. Secord,
will you please rise?
752
00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:59,238
[Neyfakh] First to testify
was Richard Secord.
753
00:32:59,368 --> 00:33:01,370
Remember him?
754
00:33:01,501 --> 00:33:03,633
He had managed the logistics
of the Iran arms sales
755
00:33:03,764 --> 00:33:05,505
and the resupply operation
to the Contras.
756
00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:07,289
Do you swear to tell
the truth,
757
00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:08,856
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
758
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:10,771
- so help you God?
- I do.
759
00:33:10,901 --> 00:33:12,555
[Neyfakh] Secord agreed
to testify without immunity,
760
00:33:12,686 --> 00:33:14,731
which meant that
anything he said
761
00:33:14,862 --> 00:33:16,646
could be used against him
in the criminal investigation.
762
00:33:16,777 --> 00:33:19,345
[Secord] My lawyer thought
I was insane
763
00:33:19,475 --> 00:33:21,651
for insisting on doing that.
764
00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:26,004
Am I correct, Mr. Secord,
that you were engaged
765
00:33:26,134 --> 00:33:29,137
in selling arms
to the Contras for profit?
766
00:33:30,225 --> 00:33:31,835
That's correct.
767
00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:33,533
[Secord] My position was
768
00:33:33,663 --> 00:33:36,362
if we allow the others
to go first,
769
00:33:36,492 --> 00:33:39,626
after they grant immunity,
the storyline will be set,
770
00:33:39,756 --> 00:33:42,411
and we'll never
recover from it.
771
00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,805
Did you testify yesterday
772
00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:47,764
that you directed your
secretary to shred documents?
773
00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,592
Didn't you tell us
also you had wanted
774
00:33:49,723 --> 00:33:51,203
to talk to the president
of the United States?
775
00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:52,291
Was it ever contemplated
776
00:33:52,421 --> 00:33:54,467
that you would obtain profits
777
00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:56,643
or any other kind
of remuneration
778
00:33:56,773 --> 00:33:58,297
in connection
with the Iranian initiative?
779
00:33:58,427 --> 00:33:59,689
No. None.
780
00:33:59,820 --> 00:34:01,430
I have no idea, sir.
I don't remember.
781
00:34:01,561 --> 00:34:02,823
There are some deeply
troubling aspects
782
00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:04,868
to your testimony,
and I guess that's the point
783
00:34:04,999 --> 00:34:07,436
of the hard questions
that have been posed.
784
00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:10,787
A couple of the attorneys
harassed me
785
00:34:10,918 --> 00:34:13,442
until I thought
I couldn't stand it.
786
00:34:13,573 --> 00:34:16,880
But I'm glad we did it that way.
787
00:34:17,011 --> 00:34:19,318
We got a special prosecutor
over here across the street
788
00:34:19,448 --> 00:34:21,015
that's trying to throw
all of us in jail
789
00:34:21,146 --> 00:34:23,365
for performing our duty
as we saw it.
790
00:34:23,496 --> 00:34:25,454
I haven't focused
on some technical issue
791
00:34:25,585 --> 00:34:27,369
like you're bringing up here.
This is crazy.
792
00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:32,505
[Neyfakh] Secord's defiant,
unapologetic testimony
793
00:34:32,635 --> 00:34:34,724
set the tone
for what was to come--
794
00:34:34,855 --> 00:34:39,120
testy exchanges with counsel
and bombshell revelations.
795
00:34:39,251 --> 00:34:42,210
The following week,
Bud McFarlane took the stand.
796
00:34:42,341 --> 00:34:43,907
- I do.
- Thank you.
797
00:34:44,038 --> 00:34:46,345
[Neyfakh] And he too spoke
without immunity.
798
00:34:46,475 --> 00:34:49,348
To have done nothing,
while safe,
799
00:34:49,478 --> 00:34:50,958
would have been
irresponsible.
800
00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:52,873
That there are many other
issues that are of great--
801
00:34:53,003 --> 00:34:54,701
- Senate House Committee--
- Democracy.
802
00:34:54,831 --> 00:34:55,658
More than
the legal argument--
803
00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:57,356
Their policies with--
804
00:34:57,486 --> 00:34:58,531
Is this the first
you ever heard
805
00:34:58,661 --> 00:35:01,708
of a November 1985
Hawk shipment?
806
00:35:01,838 --> 00:35:04,667
I do believe it was.
807
00:35:04,798 --> 00:35:07,322
[Naughton]
I was the lead interrogator
808
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:09,716
at the hearings
for Chuck Cooper.
809
00:35:09,846 --> 00:35:12,371
I had to prepare
the testimony,
810
00:35:12,501 --> 00:35:14,764
and in order
that I could concentrate,
811
00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:16,723
the chairman
of the Judiciary Committee
812
00:35:16,853 --> 00:35:19,856
let me use his private office.
813
00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:22,946
I wanted to do a good job,
and he's trying to buck me up,
814
00:35:23,077 --> 00:35:25,732
and he says, "You know,
I just wanna tell you,"
815
00:35:25,862 --> 00:35:28,604
he says, "You're gonna be
the first woman lawyer ever
816
00:35:28,735 --> 00:35:30,693
"to ask a question
817
00:35:30,824 --> 00:35:34,132
"at any congressional--
major congressional hearing.
818
00:35:35,698 --> 00:35:38,745
Think about that.
I know you can do it."
819
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:40,268
Well, that wasn't
exactly helping.
820
00:35:40,399 --> 00:35:41,530
[laughing]
821
00:35:41,661 --> 00:35:43,358
Our first witness
this morning
822
00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:45,752
will be Mr. Charles Cooper.
823
00:35:45,882 --> 00:35:48,537
[Naughton]
When we got to the testimony
824
00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:51,888
and Chairman Inouye called
on me to start the questioning,
825
00:35:52,019 --> 00:35:54,500
he referred to me
as Mr. Naughton.
826
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:56,545
[Inouye]
Mr. Naughton?
827
00:35:56,676 --> 00:35:58,852
Oh, Ms. Naughton.
I'm sorry.
828
00:35:58,982 --> 00:36:01,376
I almost wanted to say,
"Thank you, Ms. Chairman,"
829
00:36:01,507 --> 00:36:03,465
but I decided not to do that.
830
00:36:03,596 --> 00:36:05,772
- Good morning, Mr. Cooper.
- Good morning.
831
00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:10,559
Mr. Cooper, did you have
any knowledge of U.S. sales
832
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:15,564
of military equipment to Iran
prior to November 1986?
833
00:36:15,695 --> 00:36:17,479
I did not.
834
00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,612
In a congressional
investigation,
835
00:36:19,742 --> 00:36:22,223
there are essentially
no rules.
836
00:36:22,354 --> 00:36:24,834
There's no judge who's gonna
discipline the witness
837
00:36:24,965 --> 00:36:28,403
and/or his lawyer
because nobody hit the gavel
838
00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:30,057
and said that
you're out of order.
839
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,364
Once you ask your question,
840
00:36:32,494 --> 00:36:34,975
they can go talk
about the moon
841
00:36:35,105 --> 00:36:37,630
or the sun and the stars,
and you have no control.
842
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,546
Did anyone else in the room
during that meeting
843
00:36:40,676 --> 00:36:44,680
mention CIA involvement
in the 1985 Hawk shipment?
844
00:36:44,811 --> 00:36:47,553
Uh, I am drawing a blank
from my memory.
845
00:36:47,683 --> 00:36:51,383
If I could consult the notes
I took at that meeting--
846
00:36:51,513 --> 00:36:53,428
It's very frustrating.
847
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,082
Thank you very much,
Mr. Cooper.
848
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:58,825
Mr. Chairman, that ends
my examination of the witness.
849
00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:02,829
The hearing will please
come to order.
850
00:37:02,959 --> 00:37:05,527
[Neyfakh] While the hearings
dominated the airwaves,
851
00:37:05,658 --> 00:37:08,051
the president himself
ignored the coverage.
852
00:37:08,182 --> 00:37:11,490
We were in Italy in 1987
853
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,928
for the economic summit,
the G7.
854
00:37:15,058 --> 00:37:17,496
We had a break,
and we went back to our hotel,
855
00:37:17,626 --> 00:37:18,845
said,
"Hey, we've got some time.
856
00:37:18,975 --> 00:37:20,673
You want to put
the hearings on?"
857
00:37:20,803 --> 00:37:22,762
He said, "Sure.
Let's see what's going on."
858
00:37:22,892 --> 00:37:24,590
He was probably everybody's--
859
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,809
every secretary's
dream of a boss.
860
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:28,855
[Kuhn]
Fawn Hall was testifying,
861
00:37:28,985 --> 00:37:31,858
and Reagan's looking at her,
and I'm looking at her.
862
00:37:31,988 --> 00:37:33,903
And Reagan said to me--
he looked at me and he said,
863
00:37:34,034 --> 00:37:36,732
"Jim," he said,
"So that's who Fawn Hall is."
864
00:37:36,863 --> 00:37:38,734
And I said, "Yeah."
865
00:37:38,865 --> 00:37:40,693
I said, "I wouldn't
have known her either."
866
00:37:40,823 --> 00:37:43,043
It's the eve
of the Oliver North testimony,
867
00:37:43,173 --> 00:37:45,088
and there is
great anticipation,
868
00:37:45,219 --> 00:37:48,048
but no advance word
on what he will say.
869
00:37:48,178 --> 00:37:49,615
[man] North's four days
of testimony
870
00:37:49,745 --> 00:37:51,573
should be a climactic moment,
871
00:37:51,704 --> 00:37:53,009
when the committee begins
getting answers
872
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:54,707
to some of the key questions.
873
00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:56,665
North's long-awaited
public testimony
874
00:37:56,796 --> 00:37:58,276
begins tomorrow morning.
875
00:37:58,406 --> 00:38:00,843
[Inouye] The hearing will
please come to order.
876
00:38:00,974 --> 00:38:03,716
[Neyfakh] Once Oliver North
was granted criminal immunity,
877
00:38:03,846 --> 00:38:06,022
he finally appeared
before the committee.
878
00:38:06,153 --> 00:38:08,111
The world was eager to hear
879
00:38:08,242 --> 00:38:10,897
whether he had received
approval from the president,
880
00:38:11,027 --> 00:38:13,595
whether he had personally
profited from the deals,
881
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:16,511
and how he had carried out
the cover-up.
882
00:38:16,642 --> 00:38:18,296
Colonel North, please rise.
883
00:38:18,426 --> 00:38:21,603
Oliver North took hold
of that proceeding
884
00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:23,779
and made it his own.
885
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:26,565
He came dressed
in his full uniform
886
00:38:26,695 --> 00:38:27,870
with his medals.
887
00:38:28,001 --> 00:38:30,743
[Inouye]
Do you solemnly swear...
888
00:38:30,873 --> 00:38:33,789
He just looked like this
red-blooded American hero.
889
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,749
- I do.
- Please be seated.
890
00:38:36,879 --> 00:38:39,012
[McManus] Usually,
congressional investigators
891
00:38:39,142 --> 00:38:41,884
expect a witness before them
892
00:38:42,015 --> 00:38:45,975
to be contrite
or perhaps evasive.
893
00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:49,501
But Ollie North
turned the tables on them
894
00:38:49,631 --> 00:38:51,764
by going on the offense.
895
00:38:51,894 --> 00:38:54,636
I believe that this is
a strange process
896
00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:55,985
that you are putting me
and others through.
897
00:38:56,116 --> 00:38:57,987
Thousands of hours
of testimony.
898
00:38:58,118 --> 00:38:59,511
You make the rulings
as to what is proper
899
00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:00,990
and what is not proper.
900
00:39:01,121 --> 00:39:02,949
From where I sit,
it is not the fairest process.
901
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,125
Plain and simple,
the Congress is to blame
902
00:39:05,255 --> 00:39:07,780
because of the fickle,
vacillating,
903
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:11,087
unpredictable,
on-again-off-again policy
904
00:39:11,218 --> 00:39:13,568
toward the Nicaraguan
Democratic Resistance.
905
00:39:13,699 --> 00:39:15,091
[McManus]
And the poor members
906
00:39:15,222 --> 00:39:17,659
of the congressional committee
907
00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:20,880
didn't quite know
what they were up against.
908
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:23,491
- Lieutenant--
- First of all,
909
00:39:23,622 --> 00:39:25,014
I'm a Lieutenant Colonel.
910
00:39:25,145 --> 00:39:26,581
I have been
a Lieutenant Colonel
911
00:39:26,712 --> 00:39:29,236
for a couple of years now.
912
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:32,587
The government of the United
States gave me a shredder.
913
00:39:32,718 --> 00:39:33,936
I mean, I didn't buy it myself.
914
00:39:34,067 --> 00:39:35,808
I did not discuss this
915
00:39:35,938 --> 00:39:37,766
with the attorney general
until January.
916
00:39:37,897 --> 00:39:39,768
It wasn't some
secret Ollie North
917
00:39:39,899 --> 00:39:41,683
in the middle of the night,
flying off on his own hook.
918
00:39:41,814 --> 00:39:43,119
Ollie North didn't do that.
919
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:44,904
You're misunderstanding
what I said.
920
00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:46,035
[Neyfakh]
With the Vietnam War
921
00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:48,037
still a recent memory,
922
00:39:48,168 --> 00:39:50,039
the former marine
facing a majority
923
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:52,825
Democrat congress
reignited old tensions.
924
00:39:52,955 --> 00:39:55,828
Would that have made
a difference?
925
00:39:55,958 --> 00:39:57,960
You're the person
who surfaced it.
926
00:39:58,091 --> 00:39:59,962
Don't get angry, counsel.
927
00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:01,703
I'm gonna answer
your question.
928
00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:02,878
[Byrne]
That came off even better
929
00:40:03,009 --> 00:40:04,706
when you put him across
930
00:40:04,837 --> 00:40:06,360
from the House lead counsel,
John Nields,
931
00:40:06,491 --> 00:40:08,014
who was this kind
of hippy-looking guy,
932
00:40:08,144 --> 00:40:10,625
with hair down
to his shoulders.
933
00:40:10,756 --> 00:40:11,887
This is the culture wars,
934
00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:13,889
you know,
embodied in these two people.
935
00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:16,196
- Where are these memoranda?
- Which memoranda?
936
00:40:16,326 --> 00:40:17,937
[Nields]
The memoranda that you sent up
937
00:40:18,067 --> 00:40:20,069
seeking
the president's approval.
938
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,681
I think I shredded
most of that.
939
00:40:22,811 --> 00:40:24,944
โช
940
00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:26,685
Did I--did I get them all?
941
00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,035
[McManus]
He was guilty as sin.
942
00:40:29,165 --> 00:40:31,037
They had him dead to rights.
943
00:40:31,167 --> 00:40:33,735
But by the time he testified,
944
00:40:33,866 --> 00:40:34,954
much of that
didn't seem to matter
945
00:40:35,084 --> 00:40:36,608
for a large part of the country
946
00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:39,088
because Ollie North was such
947
00:40:39,219 --> 00:40:42,440
a terrifically effective
communicator at saying,
948
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:46,444
in effect, "I did it all
for love of country,
949
00:40:47,793 --> 00:40:50,186
"to protect American lives,
950
00:40:50,317 --> 00:40:52,624
and I would do it all again."
951
00:40:52,754 --> 00:40:53,886
[dramatic music]
952
00:40:54,016 --> 00:40:55,888
I saw that idea
953
00:40:56,018 --> 00:40:59,108
of using
the Ayatollah Khomeini's money
954
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,764
to support the Nicaraguan
freedom fighters
955
00:41:02,895 --> 00:41:04,723
as a good one.
956
00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:06,768
I still do.
957
00:41:06,899 --> 00:41:08,117
[Neyfakh]
North seemed to inspire
958
00:41:08,248 --> 00:41:09,945
a kind of fever dream
on the right...
959
00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:11,207
[all] Ollie! Ollie! Ollie!
960
00:41:11,338 --> 00:41:13,035
[Neyfakh] Setting off a craze
961
00:41:13,166 --> 00:41:15,081
that came to be known
as "Olliemania."
962
00:41:15,211 --> 00:41:17,126
[Brokaw] The appeal
of Oliver North, the man,
963
00:41:17,257 --> 00:41:18,954
swept the country
as the week went along.
964
00:41:19,085 --> 00:41:20,260
[man 2] North has dominated
the front page
965
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:22,392
of the Denver Post all week.
966
00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:24,307
[woman 1] He's definitely
winning the hearts of America.
967
00:41:24,438 --> 00:41:27,093
[woman 2] He doesn't seem
like a crazed patriot,
968
00:41:27,223 --> 00:41:28,790
which I think is
what I expected.
969
00:41:28,921 --> 00:41:30,270
Seemed like
an all-American boy.
970
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,751
They feel Ollie North
is a hero.
971
00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:34,143
[Neyfakh]
But North's testimony
972
00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:36,885
was not the final word
on the scandal.
973
00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:39,671
[man] The joint hearings of
the House and Senate committees
974
00:41:39,801 --> 00:41:41,934
will come to order.
975
00:41:42,064 --> 00:41:43,849
[Neyfakh] And although Reagan
reportedly did not tune in
976
00:41:43,979 --> 00:41:45,894
to much of the hearings,
977
00:41:46,025 --> 00:41:48,941
there was one witness
he was eager to hear from.
978
00:41:49,071 --> 00:41:51,378
Admiral Poindexter, would you
stand to take the oath, please?
979
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:52,945
[Neyfakh] That of
his national security adviser,
980
00:41:53,075 --> 00:41:54,816
John Poindexter,
981
00:41:54,947 --> 00:41:57,036
who had overseen
much of North's activity.
982
00:41:57,166 --> 00:41:59,038
[Kuhn]
We were on Air Force One.
983
00:41:59,168 --> 00:42:01,214
Reagan and I were just
talking about the day.
984
00:42:01,344 --> 00:42:04,043
And he took his hand,
and he crossed his fingers,
985
00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:06,828
and he said, "This is the day
986
00:42:06,959 --> 00:42:11,703
"that John Poindexter
will clear me once and for all.
987
00:42:11,833 --> 00:42:13,879
"He will tell Congress,
988
00:42:14,009 --> 00:42:15,968
"and at the same time
will be telling the world,
989
00:42:16,098 --> 00:42:20,973
that I did not know
about the diversion of funds."
990
00:42:21,103 --> 00:42:23,192
I made
a very deliberate decision
991
00:42:23,323 --> 00:42:26,152
not to ask the president
992
00:42:26,282 --> 00:42:29,764
so that I could insulate him
from the decision.
993
00:42:29,895 --> 00:42:32,027
You know, the buck
stops here with me.
994
00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:34,029
I made the decision.
995
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,162
I felt that I had
the authority to do it.
996
00:42:36,292 --> 00:42:38,294
I thought it was a good idea.
997
00:42:38,425 --> 00:42:41,994
But I did not want him to be
associated with the decision.
998
00:42:42,951 --> 00:42:45,084
[Neyfakh] Once Poindexter
told the world
999
00:42:45,214 --> 00:42:47,347
that Reagan had not known
about the diversion,
1000
00:42:47,477 --> 00:42:51,090
the air kind of left
the Iran-Contra scandal.
1001
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:53,222
Nevertheless,
towards the end of the year,
1002
00:42:53,353 --> 00:42:55,007
the congressional
committees delivered
1003
00:42:55,137 --> 00:42:57,836
their final report
on the affair.
1004
00:42:57,966 --> 00:42:59,881
In it,
they identified malfeasance
1005
00:43:00,012 --> 00:43:03,058
from within the administration's
top ranks.
1006
00:43:03,189 --> 00:43:05,974
The common ingredients
in the Iran-Contra affair
1007
00:43:06,105 --> 00:43:10,979
were secrecy, deception,
and a disdain for law.
1008
00:43:11,110 --> 00:43:13,242
[Neyfakh] But there was only
so much responsibility
1009
00:43:13,373 --> 00:43:17,072
that men like Poindexter, North,
and McFarlane could hold.
1010
00:43:17,203 --> 00:43:18,900
"The ultimate responsibility
for Iran-Contra,"
1011
00:43:19,031 --> 00:43:21,599
the report said,
"rested with the president."
1012
00:43:21,729 --> 00:43:24,036
We believe that
the president is responsible
1013
00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:27,387
for the actions
and attitudes of his staff.
1014
00:43:27,517 --> 00:43:29,868
If the president did not know,
he should have.
1015
00:43:29,998 --> 00:43:31,913
โช
1016
00:43:32,044 --> 00:43:34,176
[McManus] Iran-Contra
is unusual as a scandal
1017
00:43:34,307 --> 00:43:37,005
because there is so much
on the public record
1018
00:43:37,136 --> 00:43:39,138
about what happened.
1019
00:43:39,268 --> 00:43:41,183
So we actually know a lot more
1020
00:43:41,314 --> 00:43:44,056
about the covert world
from Iran-Contra
1021
00:43:44,186 --> 00:43:49,061
than we do from almost any
other story of that generation.
1022
00:43:49,191 --> 00:43:53,935
But we still don't know
for a fact
1023
00:43:54,066 --> 00:43:57,373
whether Ronald Reagan
knew about
1024
00:43:57,504 --> 00:44:01,247
or approved
the diversion of funds.
1025
00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:04,772
[Neyfakh] Ultimately, Congress
found President Reagan
1026
00:44:04,903 --> 00:44:06,252
to be a negligent leader.
1027
00:44:06,382 --> 00:44:08,471
But without the full story
of what he knew
1028
00:44:08,602 --> 00:44:12,127
and when he knew it,
and without public support,
1029
00:44:12,258 --> 00:44:14,390
they decided against
trying to impeach him.
1030
00:44:14,521 --> 00:44:17,872
In those days,
impeachment was not something
1031
00:44:18,003 --> 00:44:20,309
that the Congress
talked a lot about.
1032
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,183
And it was a very
unusual weapon to use.
1033
00:44:24,313 --> 00:44:27,142
Even though it was used
against President Nixon,
1034
00:44:27,273 --> 00:44:29,144
I think the sense was
1035
00:44:29,275 --> 00:44:32,191
it was not something
that should be abused.
1036
00:44:32,321 --> 00:44:34,106
[suspenseful music]
1037
00:44:34,236 --> 00:44:36,195
[Neyfakh] With impeachment
off the table,
1038
00:44:36,325 --> 00:44:39,938
Reagan was free and clear
to finish his second term.
1039
00:44:40,503 --> 00:44:43,115
[Kuhn] You know,
Reagan was always focused
1040
00:44:43,245 --> 00:44:46,292
on the positiveness
of any situation.
1041
00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:52,211
When he had his major surgery
to get the tumor out,
1042
00:44:52,341 --> 00:44:56,519
immediately thereafter, the head
of the National Cancer Institute
1043
00:44:56,650 --> 00:45:00,436
held a press conference
and made the broad statement,
1044
00:45:00,567 --> 00:45:02,830
"President Reagan has cancer."
1045
00:45:02,961 --> 00:45:05,267
But Reagan--
1046
00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:08,053
In interviews
following his surgery,
1047
00:45:08,183 --> 00:45:12,710
Reagan said over and over again
that he never had cancer.
1048
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,016
And people would pause,
"Well, what do you mean?"
1049
00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:17,497
And he said,
"Well, I didn't have cancer.
1050
00:45:17,627 --> 00:45:22,023
This tumor, it had cancer,
but I didn't have cancer."
1051
00:45:22,154 --> 00:45:24,025
And that was Reagan's way
of rationalizing,
1052
00:45:24,156 --> 00:45:26,985
always taking the bright side,
the sunny side.
1053
00:45:27,115 --> 00:45:29,248
He was the eternal optimist.
1054
00:45:29,378 --> 00:45:31,163
[Neyfakh] By 1988,
1055
00:45:31,293 --> 00:45:33,339
Reagan's final year
in the White House,
1056
00:45:33,469 --> 00:45:35,428
criminal charges
were being filed
1057
00:45:35,558 --> 00:45:38,431
against many of the people
involved in Iran-Contra.
1058
00:45:38,561 --> 00:45:40,476
But by that point,
the majority of the country
1059
00:45:40,607 --> 00:45:42,914
seemed to have simply moved on.
1060
00:45:43,044 --> 00:45:44,176
[Byrne]
The show was over.
1061
00:45:44,306 --> 00:45:45,481
There was
a large chunk of society
1062
00:45:45,612 --> 00:45:47,179
that was sitting there going,
1063
00:45:47,309 --> 00:45:48,963
"How is he getting away
with this?"
1064
00:45:49,094 --> 00:45:51,705
But there was another chunk
of society going,
1065
00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:53,185
"Move on.
We've got other things to do."
1066
00:45:53,315 --> 00:45:55,361
โช
1067
00:45:55,491 --> 00:45:57,145
And, in fact,
big events were happening.
1068
00:45:57,276 --> 00:45:59,017
Gorbachev was in power.
1069
00:45:59,147 --> 00:46:00,366
Reagan was meeting
with him in Reykjavik,
1070
00:46:00,496 --> 00:46:01,410
and they were starting
to dismantle
1071
00:46:01,541 --> 00:46:03,412
the nuclear machinery.
1072
00:46:03,543 --> 00:46:05,197
[translator]
It is my impression
1073
00:46:05,327 --> 00:46:07,329
that we can deal
with President Reagan.
1074
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:09,375
We can continue dialogue
with him.
1075
00:46:09,505 --> 00:46:12,508
We can continue
searching for solutions.
1076
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:17,209
And the Cold War
was about to end.
1077
00:46:17,339 --> 00:46:20,560
All sorts of things were going
on that overtook Iran-Contra
1078
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:23,084
and put it
on the sidelines of history.
1079
00:46:23,215 --> 00:46:25,391
โช
1080
00:46:25,521 --> 00:46:28,176
[Neyfakh] Nine days before
he left the White House,
1081
00:46:28,307 --> 00:46:31,179
there was one subject
nagging Reagan's presidency.
1082
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:33,007
There were still
several hostages
1083
00:46:33,138 --> 00:46:35,314
being held captive in Beirut.
1084
00:46:35,444 --> 00:46:39,405
Some of them had been abducted
during his time in office.
1085
00:46:39,535 --> 00:46:41,450
[man] What about the American
hostages in Lebanon?
1086
00:46:41,581 --> 00:46:43,278
Do you think there is
any chance
1087
00:46:43,409 --> 00:46:46,542
that they may be released
as you're leaving office?
1088
00:46:46,673 --> 00:46:49,545
I can only pray and continue
what we've--We've been exploring
1089
00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:52,592
every channel possible
for their release.
1090
00:46:52,722 --> 00:46:56,770
And they've never been
out of my mind
1091
00:46:56,901 --> 00:47:00,426
since they were
so unfairly seized.
1092
00:47:01,296 --> 00:47:03,429
[Neyfakh] When Reagan
finished his second term,
1093
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:06,040
he held the highest approval
rating of any president
1094
00:47:06,171 --> 00:47:07,259
since Franklin Roosevelt.
1095
00:47:07,389 --> 00:47:09,478
[man] Smile.
1096
00:47:09,609 --> 00:47:11,002
[Neyfakh]
And his vice president,
1097
00:47:11,132 --> 00:47:12,394
George H.W. Bush,
1098
00:47:12,525 --> 00:47:15,180
was voted in as his successor.
1099
00:47:15,310 --> 00:47:17,617
That I will faithfully execute
1100
00:47:17,747 --> 00:47:20,402
the office of president
of the United States.
1101
00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:22,274
[Neyfakh] Meanwhile,
Bush and the rest
1102
00:47:22,404 --> 00:47:24,450
of the administration continued
1103
00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:27,235
to face scrutiny
from criminal investigators.
1104
00:47:29,716 --> 00:47:33,241
The independent counsel probe,
initiated back in 1986,
1105
00:47:33,372 --> 00:47:35,156
revealed wrongdoing
1106
00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:37,376
at the highest levels
of the White House,
1107
00:47:37,506 --> 00:47:39,465
leading to felony
and misdemeanor charges
1108
00:47:39,595 --> 00:47:43,164
against multiple members
of Reagan's administration.
1109
00:47:43,295 --> 00:47:46,515
That included Oliver North
and John Poindexter.
1110
00:47:46,646 --> 00:47:49,344
In the end, there were
plenty of convictions,
1111
00:47:49,475 --> 00:47:52,130
but most of them
were ultimately undone.
1112
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:54,001
[turkey clucking, laughter]
1113
00:47:54,132 --> 00:47:55,350
Happy Thanksgiving.
1114
00:47:55,481 --> 00:47:56,612
[Neyfakh]
On George H.W. Bush's
1115
00:47:56,743 --> 00:47:58,614
first Thanksgiving as president,
1116
00:47:58,745 --> 00:48:02,575
he instituted the turkey pardon
as a permanent annual tradition.
1117
00:48:02,705 --> 00:48:05,360
Let me assure you,
and this fine tom turkey,
1118
00:48:05,491 --> 00:48:08,537
that he will not end up
on anyone's dinner table.
1119
00:48:08,668 --> 00:48:10,626
Not this guy.
1120
00:48:10,757 --> 00:48:14,369
He is granted a presidential
pardon as of right now.
1121
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,633
[Neyfakh] For Bush, it turned
out to be good practice.
1122
00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:19,853
On Christmas Eve,
a few years later,
1123
00:48:19,984 --> 00:48:22,464
he held another
pardoning ceremony,
1124
00:48:22,595 --> 00:48:25,337
this time granting clemency
to several top officials
1125
00:48:25,467 --> 00:48:28,079
implicated
in the Iran-Contra scandal.
1126
00:48:28,209 --> 00:48:29,907
[intriguing music]
1127
00:48:30,037 --> 00:48:32,039
[woman] Mr. Bush granted
executive clemency
1128
00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:33,388
to six public officials
1129
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:35,651
involved
in the Iran-Contra affair.
1130
00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:38,785
The Constitution is quite clear
on the powers of the president,
1131
00:48:38,916 --> 00:48:42,267
and sometimes the president has
to make a very difficult call,
1132
00:48:42,397 --> 00:48:45,313
and that's what I have done.
1133
00:48:45,444 --> 00:48:46,619
[man] Independent counsel
Lawrence Walsh
1134
00:48:46,749 --> 00:48:48,664
says the lesson is clear.
1135
00:48:48,795 --> 00:48:50,275
[man] Is the message here,
if you work for the government,
1136
00:48:50,405 --> 00:48:51,929
you're above the law?
1137
00:48:52,059 --> 00:48:54,409
That depends on the president
you work for.
1138
00:48:55,062 --> 00:48:57,282
[Kornbluh] Lawrence Walsh,
the independent counsel,
1139
00:48:57,412 --> 00:48:59,371
famously said
of the Bush pardons
1140
00:48:59,501 --> 00:49:02,330
that they completed
the cover-up.
1141
00:49:02,461 --> 00:49:04,724
He was exactly right.
1142
00:49:04,854 --> 00:49:08,249
The Bush pardons
basically shut the door
1143
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:13,167
on further investigation
and accountability
1144
00:49:13,298 --> 00:49:15,213
in the Iran-Contra scandal.
1145
00:49:15,343 --> 00:49:18,390
Most all of the key officials
1146
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,306
who authorized
and implemented
1147
00:49:21,436 --> 00:49:25,223
those operations
got off scot-free.
1148
00:49:26,093 --> 00:49:29,270
Yes, their lives
were disrupted for a while.
1149
00:49:29,401 --> 00:49:32,795
Arguably, their legacies
weren't even really dented.
1150
00:49:32,926 --> 00:49:37,409
They went on to lead
the rest of their lives.
1151
00:49:37,539 --> 00:49:40,455
But the lesson
was really not learned,
1152
00:49:40,586 --> 00:49:42,718
and the safeguards
against preventing
1153
00:49:42,849 --> 00:49:46,331
these extra-constitutionally
illegal abuses of power
1154
00:49:46,461 --> 00:49:50,596
from happening again
were really not put in place.
1155
00:49:50,726 --> 00:49:53,381
And it is just a matter of time
1156
00:49:53,512 --> 00:49:57,342
before we have other scandals
of similar magnitude.
1157
00:49:57,472 --> 00:50:00,301
[tense music]
1158
00:50:00,432 --> 00:50:02,129
[McManus]
To me, one of the big lessons
1159
00:50:02,260 --> 00:50:04,610
of this entire affair
1160
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:08,440
is how enormous
the discretionary powers
1161
00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:10,485
of the president
of the United States are.
1162
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,446
Congress,
or the American public,
1163
00:50:14,576 --> 00:50:17,710
can try and limit
a president with laws,
1164
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,408
with regulations, with norms.
1165
00:50:20,539 --> 00:50:22,454
[applause]
1166
00:50:22,584 --> 00:50:25,500
But we and the Congress
have granted
1167
00:50:25,631 --> 00:50:28,416
so many discretionary powers
to a president,
1168
00:50:28,547 --> 00:50:32,420
whether it's
by how he can use funds,
1169
00:50:32,551 --> 00:50:34,814
how he can use the CIA,
1170
00:50:34,944 --> 00:50:38,035
how he or she can simply
pick up the telephone
1171
00:50:38,165 --> 00:50:40,776
and call a foreign leader
and ask for a favor.
1172
00:50:40,907 --> 00:50:43,518
It may eventually turn
into a scandal.
1173
00:50:43,649 --> 00:50:47,522
It may eventually damage
that president's standing,
1174
00:50:47,653 --> 00:50:51,613
but there is no effective way
from stopping a president
1175
00:50:51,744 --> 00:50:53,572
from doing it
in the first place.
1176
00:50:55,878 --> 00:51:00,318
[Reed] It certainly showed
a management failure
1177
00:51:00,448 --> 00:51:02,233
of the National
Security Council
1178
00:51:02,363 --> 00:51:04,757
during the Reagan
administration.
1179
00:51:04,887 --> 00:51:08,543
I think that there were people
who were so committed
1180
00:51:08,674 --> 00:51:11,590
to continuing to oppose
the Soviets
1181
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,636
that, you know, they did things
1182
00:51:14,767 --> 00:51:17,552
that they thought were
in the gray area.
1183
00:51:19,511 --> 00:51:20,816
While, ultimately,
when you're president,
1184
00:51:20,947 --> 00:51:22,905
the buck stops at your desk,
1185
00:51:23,036 --> 00:51:25,734
and Ronald Reagan has
to accept responsibility
1186
00:51:25,865 --> 00:51:27,867
for everything that happened
on his watch.
1187
00:51:27,997 --> 00:51:30,391
He clearly had
no knowledge of it.
1188
00:51:30,522 --> 00:51:32,741
He would not have
approved of it.
1189
00:51:32,872 --> 00:51:37,616
I also think that the stand
that he took against Communism
1190
00:51:37,746 --> 00:51:39,879
has been vindicated by history
1191
00:51:40,009 --> 00:51:43,622
and by our ultimate victory
in the Cold War
1192
00:51:43,752 --> 00:51:45,885
by defeating the Soviet Union
1193
00:51:46,015 --> 00:51:49,497
without ever having to fire
a single shot.
1194
00:51:49,628 --> 00:51:51,673
Ultimately, Reagan did prevail,
1195
00:51:51,804 --> 00:51:54,546
and his policies
were vindicated.
1196
00:51:54,676 --> 00:51:57,462
I think he's been vindicated
by history.
1197
00:51:58,463 --> 00:52:00,378
[Neyfakh] In his speech
welcoming home
1198
00:52:00,508 --> 00:52:03,772
the Tehran hostages
back in 1981,
1199
00:52:03,903 --> 00:52:07,689
Reagan had depicted an America
so respected and so feared
1200
00:52:07,820 --> 00:52:10,736
that there was no limit to what
it would do for its citizens.
1201
00:52:10,866 --> 00:52:12,564
As it turned out, it would be
1202
00:52:12,694 --> 00:52:15,567
almost three years
after Reagan left office
1203
00:52:15,697 --> 00:52:18,265
that the last of
the American hostages in Beirut
1204
00:52:18,396 --> 00:52:20,963
would be released.
1205
00:52:21,094 --> 00:52:24,880
Although Reagan himself
sidestepped any lasting damage,
1206
00:52:25,011 --> 00:52:27,492
Iran-Contra has continued
to reverberate
1207
00:52:27,622 --> 00:52:30,408
in every corner of the world
the scheme touched.
1208
00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:32,975
[McManus] Americans
sometimes don't understand
1209
00:52:33,106 --> 00:52:35,500
the resentment in which
American foreign policy
1210
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:38,503
is held in weaker countries.
1211
00:52:38,633 --> 00:52:42,942
Don't understand
that Iranians, for example,
1212
00:52:43,072 --> 00:52:47,599
carry within them the story
of the CIA's intervention
1213
00:52:47,729 --> 00:52:50,732
against an earlier
democratic regime
1214
00:52:50,863 --> 00:52:53,822
that overthrew the regime
and restored the Shah to power.
1215
00:52:53,953 --> 00:52:56,956
Most of us never heard
that story in school.
1216
00:52:57,086 --> 00:53:00,786
We often don't understand
that Latin Americans,
1217
00:53:00,916 --> 00:53:04,703
much as they admire
the United States,
1218
00:53:04,833 --> 00:53:08,576
also bear the burden of this
enormously powerful neighbor
1219
00:53:08,707 --> 00:53:11,536
that, throughout its history,
1220
00:53:11,666 --> 00:53:14,626
has asserted the power to
intervene in their countries
1221
00:53:14,756 --> 00:53:17,759
to determine who ought
to be in charge.
1222
00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:21,546
[Neyfakh] In 1990, after more
than a decade of civil war,
1223
00:53:21,676 --> 00:53:24,418
a political neophyte
named Violeta Chamorro
1224
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:27,508
was elected president
of Nicaragua.
1225
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:29,902
She was a pro-Contra activist
whose campaign
1226
00:53:30,032 --> 00:53:32,818
had the full backing
of the United States.
1227
00:53:33,427 --> 00:53:35,734
My high school
and college years,
1228
00:53:35,864 --> 00:53:37,475
I was living
in the United States
1229
00:53:37,605 --> 00:53:39,738
knowing full well
that--you know,
1230
00:53:39,868 --> 00:53:43,655
that our tax dollars
were supporting a war
1231
00:53:43,785 --> 00:53:46,788
that theoretically was
about stopping Communism.
1232
00:53:46,919 --> 00:53:49,051
But the end result
1233
00:53:49,182 --> 00:53:52,881
was two percent
of the population dead.
1234
00:53:53,012 --> 00:53:56,798
A war that is based,
again, right,
1235
00:53:56,929 --> 00:54:01,803
on profoundly racist views
1236
00:54:01,934 --> 00:54:06,808
that agency is not allowed
for Nicaraguans.
1237
00:54:06,939 --> 00:54:09,550
People in the U.S. can elect
whoever they want to elect,
1238
00:54:09,681 --> 00:54:11,770
but that will not be allowed
for Nicaraguans,
1239
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:14,163
as if there are limits
being placed
1240
00:54:14,294 --> 00:54:15,948
on the humanity
of Nicaraguans
1241
00:54:16,078 --> 00:54:18,733
by people who will never,
1242
00:54:18,864 --> 00:54:22,389
ever, ever, you know,
suffer the consequences.
1243
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,044
โช
1244
00:54:25,174 --> 00:54:27,742
[Neyfakh] If it's true that
most of the real consequences
1245
00:54:27,873 --> 00:54:29,875
of the Iran-Contra scandal
were suffered
1246
00:54:30,005 --> 00:54:33,618
by people far away
from Washington, D.C.,
1247
00:54:33,748 --> 00:54:36,534
it still remains the case
that Reagan came closer
1248
00:54:36,664 --> 00:54:38,753
to the fate of his
predecessor, Jimmy Carter,
1249
00:54:38,884 --> 00:54:40,973
than anyone remembers.
1250
00:54:41,103 --> 00:54:42,931
In a very real sense,
1251
00:54:43,062 --> 00:54:45,064
a series of decisions
made Reagan
1252
00:54:45,194 --> 00:54:48,110
the hostage
he never thought he would be.
1253
00:54:48,241 --> 00:54:50,417
And maybe that's
the great warning buried
1254
00:54:50,548 --> 00:54:51,853
in all of this--
1255
00:54:51,984 --> 00:54:53,855
how quickly and quietly
a country
1256
00:54:53,986 --> 00:54:56,815
often seen as the most
powerful on Earth
1257
00:54:56,945 --> 00:55:00,297
can become trapped inside
a cage of its own making
1258
00:55:00,427 --> 00:55:03,561
and how easily it could
all happen again.
1259
00:55:03,691 --> 00:55:10,872
โช
1260
00:55:11,003 --> 00:55:13,701
Ultimately, many of those
involved in Iran-Contra
1261
00:55:13,832 --> 00:55:14,789
went free.
1262
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,705
[tense piano music]
1263
00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:18,837
โช
1264
00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:21,100
In a speech in 1988,
1265
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:22,797
the founder
of the Moral Majority,
1266
00:55:22,928 --> 00:55:24,799
Jerry Falwell,
1267
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:29,064
introduced Oliver North
as a true American hero
1268
00:55:29,195 --> 00:55:31,980
and compared him
to Jesus Christ.
1269
00:55:32,111 --> 00:55:34,113
The first question's
always asked,
1270
00:55:34,243 --> 00:55:37,595
"Why are you having
an indicted man
1271
00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:40,511
to speak to the students
at Liberty University?"
1272
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,689
I said, "Well, we serve
a savior who was indicted."
1273
00:55:44,819 --> 00:55:47,735
[applause]
1274
00:55:51,086 --> 00:55:52,958
[McFarlane]
From my first time
1275
00:55:53,088 --> 00:55:54,960
in the Naval Academy,
I mean,
1276
00:55:55,090 --> 00:55:57,571
it's in your bones.
1277
00:55:57,702 --> 00:55:59,007
You know what your job is.
1278
00:55:59,138 --> 00:56:01,575
Serve the country.
1279
00:56:01,706 --> 00:56:04,709
And don't blame somebody else.
1280
00:56:05,231 --> 00:56:07,581
Don't make up excuse,
circumstances,
1281
00:56:07,712 --> 00:56:09,888
this kind of blarney.
1282
00:56:11,237 --> 00:56:13,805
You can at least stand up,
1283
00:56:13,935 --> 00:56:15,720
tell the truth,
1284
00:56:15,850 --> 00:56:17,852
take responsibility.
1285
00:56:17,983 --> 00:56:21,073
โช
1286
00:56:21,203 --> 00:56:26,383
Sure, if I had to do it again,
I would not have let it go on.
1287
00:56:27,645 --> 00:56:28,994
But I did.
1288
00:56:29,124 --> 00:56:33,607
And there is
no changing the facts.
1289
00:56:33,738 --> 00:56:35,609
โช
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