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Here she is. Come
on, come on, come on!
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Stop it, come on.
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You deserve it. You are a hero.
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No, I'm an idiot.
How do you even know?
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Matthew was in here earlier.
He was up there and he saw you.
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- Hell no.
- Tea's on the house.
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- No, I need coffee.
- Oat milk?
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- Cookie?
- No, thanks. Yeah.
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Forgive me. I'm unaware
of your achievements.
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Nothing you'd be interested in.
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- Try me.
- I went to jail.
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What do you wanna
talk about this week?
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Very funny.
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I'm guessing you broke
the law in some way.
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I don't really want to hear about it.
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Were you looking for attention?
Was it a cry for help?
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A desperate world
requires desperate measures.
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- You were arrested for protesting.
- Yes.
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Okay, I'll bite. Protesting what?
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The new chemical plant
up in Orchard Hills.
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That hasn't even
opened yet, has it?
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We're not gonna wait for it to open
and pour that shit into the reservoir.
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You know there's gonna be shit
or you fear shit?
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There's always shit.
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I don't think either of us know how
chemical plants really operate.
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So you believe in the people who
make money off the shit-pouring?
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No, I don't believe in anyone.
I have no view.
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But I know there'll be jobs, though.
Although, wait.
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You don't need a job.
You have plenty of money.
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What good are jobs
if there's no planet?
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I absolutely agree with you.
No planet, no jobs.
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In the meantime, people have mortgage
payments to make, and you don't.
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We can't go on living like that
in the short term.
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That's kind of what life is.
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Well, we have a fundamental
difference of opinion.
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You think if we can make it through
the rest of the week as we are,
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we might as well stay married
until we die.
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- Yeah.
- Thank you.
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When I was in prison...
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- Man !
- What?
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You're going to dish out
prison wisdom now?
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How long were you in for?
Like, three hours?
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"When I was in prison,
I was thinking,"
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that's what I was going to say.
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I was in there long enough
to have a thought.
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Yeah, maybe not two thoughts, but how
was it in there? I've never been.
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Really?
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Don't say it like that. You know
I haven't. How was the food?
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I wasn't there for meal time.
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That should be the title
of your prison memoir.
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"I wasn't there for meal time."
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"The incredible true story
of how one white suburban woman"
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"survived an afternoon
in the slammer."
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- Can I tell you my thought?
- Your prison thought? Sure.
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I want to find a way of having a loving,
close, post-divorce relationship.
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Okay.
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Even though we haven't decided
whether we're divorcing or not.
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I guess either way it's useful.
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"Either way"?
There's still two ways?
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The other way being a loving
close marriage, right?
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Sure, that's a goal.
Ambitious, but a goal.
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"Ambitious"?
I kind of thought we had that.
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That's why you keep finding things out
because of the lack of closeness.
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How was I supposed to know that when
you said you were going to New York,
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you are actually staying in
a spiritual commune somewhere?
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You couldn't have known.
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We were way too far apart
for me to tell you.
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- That's what I tried to tell myself.
- When?
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When I was fooling around
in the New York apartment.
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- If only we'd been closer.
- Bullshit.
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We should never
have bought that place.
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It's not the apartment's fault.
It's what went on there.
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But we have been close
in the past.
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Come on!
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If you subtract the
New York City apartment years,
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and then when all that stopped when
I didn't like or trust you very much...
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I'm more likable than you think.
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... and then the recent past when
I've been on my journey...
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- Which I want to join.
- No, you don't.
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Okay, not all of it.
I'll skip out some parts of it.
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I'll be like
a cheating marathon runner,
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someone who sneaks out from
behind the hedge halfway through.
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I don't want to cheat.
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I wouldn't be actually cheating.
There are no actual rules.
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Your "journey" is not recognized
by any sporting body.
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You don't think
I have my own rules?
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The whole point of the journey is doing
it, not pretending you've done it.
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I'll be honest about
the shortcuts I take.
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There are no shortcuts.
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If it's important to be
with someone who,
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I don't know, has read
the complete works of Dickens,
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I don't want someone who's seen
the movie "A Christmas Carol".
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You know,
one of my favorite movies...
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Or the black and white
"Great Expectations".
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Sorry.
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I know I don't have much
you haven't heard before.
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I didn't mean it
to sound like that.
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But you knew
what I was going to say.
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Yes. David Lean,
1946, Alec Guinness.
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- It's in your top ten.
- Not much we can do about that.
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Top ten hasn't changed
for a few decades.
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You know I don't like
new movies that much.
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I guess that works
metaphorically, too.
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The top ten of anything hasn't
changed in the last few decades.
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Yeah. Who says it has to?
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Nobody, of course.
But don't you get bored?
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Bored of not going to prison?
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- Those aren't the alternatives.
- You sure?
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How do people do it?
How do they stay married?
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A lot of people don't.
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Do you really have to walk
lockstep with someone to survive?
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It's like being with a toddler.
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Just your attention
gets distracted for a moment,
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and suddenly,
your marriage is miles away.
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You're shouting at it.
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Asking the security in the mall
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to make an announcement
over the loudspeaker.
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I can't even remember
what clothes it was wearing.
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I think now you're talking about
a couple of our parental low spots.
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Would you hate it
if we got divorced?
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Of course I would.
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No, I want you
to think about your answer.
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This isn't a rhetorical question.
I'm not trying to trick you.
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Would it kill you if we split up?
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- How bad would you feel?
- Well... pretty bad.
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How bad?
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You want how bad on a scale
of one to ten?
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If that helps.
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- What?
- It's clearly not a ten.
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It may be a ten. You asked me
to think about the question.
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If it was a ten,
you wouldn't have to think.
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You'd be, you know,
there's no 11, no 100.
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If I had said ten, you'd have
told me to think harder.
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Okay. So what's your answer?
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- Ten.
- Bullshit.
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See? Now the not thinking
is being held against me.
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Try again.
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Okay.
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Seven.
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Seven?
It went from ten to seven?
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Well, if I'd said nine,
you wouldn't believe me.
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What happened to eight?
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Let's say the death
of a parent is a ten.
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Come on.
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What? It's supposed to be
the big rite of passage.
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Was it for you?
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Okay.
My experience wasn't typical.
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Nobody's is.
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The deaths of my parents
were an eight and a seven.
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The time had come,
especially for my dad.
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And neither of your parents
scored higher than a four
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because you didn't
like them very much.
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My father was a five.
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Five?
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I apologize.
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They weren't especially lovable.
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I know,
and I'm not blaming you for it.
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I'm saying we shouldn't assume
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that the death of a parent
is a ten for anybody else.
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The question is
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would it kill me
if we had to stay together?
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Well, why is that
the question suddenly?
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I want to compare scores.
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If it would kill me to stay together,
ten on a scale of ten,
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when you're only a seven.
166
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Do you see what I'm saying?
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You're saying that if you score
eight, nine or ten on this question,
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a question you yourself
are asking and grading,
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you get to walk out
of the marriage.
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I'm going to be scrupulous.
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Okay, Ellen,
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how much would it kill you
to stay married?
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On a scale of one to ten.
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It would be a seven.
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Jesus Christ,
you are maddening.
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Any other number
we might have got somewhere.
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So we go to extra innings
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Why does everything
have to be a sport?
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I'd like to ask Steve and Cindy
to take this test.
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- Please don't.
- Yeah, I think I should.
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Please don't.
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Yeah, I think
it would be enlightening.
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