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and I unfortunately failed this scientific experiment.
Decoded with Ralf Randig. I'm very happy. The

flagship of the Bundesliga. The family of the
club, the me, the me. Down here it belongs.

Today, when I think about it, I have to smear
myself. Put it in. I personally had more to

lose than to win. Head coach of Bayern, Julian
Nagelsmann. Hello, good day. Wait a minute.

If GELB would be Dortmund, then we would have
to change the rules here again. Because under

Marke Rose they play... We just keep calling
them GELB. I'm speculating on this one, then

this one gets big. It's going to be hard. You
can see how this market is fighting internationally.

Hold on to the rest. I was just pulling because
he was pulling for so long. He thought about

the answer for a long time. It's actually trying
to hold on.

Have you ever wanted to look behind the scenes
at your favorite club? Or maybe you don't like

the club that much, but you want to look at
it? Then you are here. Welcome to our new D-Zone

format, DECODED with Ralf Rannick. Welcome to
the D-Zone family, Ralf. Thank you, Alex. I'm

very happy.

I'm sure you didn't dream of us meeting up for
a puzzle at some point, but basically we're

going to do exactly that today in this show,
in this new format. Maybe you can imagine it

again. What were we thinking here? We have chosen
six areas that we want to take a look at. We

want to see what each club stands for. Of course,
we have the opportunity to compare the following

broadcasts. That results automatically. I think
that's a format that everyone can look forward

to. I think it's something I can remember as
far as it has not yet been given. You can see

that we have prepared a lot. We will be able
to welcome the head coach of Bayern here later.

We are very excited about Julian Nagelsmann.
We will take a closer look at this in the individual

sequences. FC Bayern Munich. It is the flagship
of the Bundesliga. I would say we start with

the first mosaic stone, namely with the people
who are on the wheel of this flagship.

Ralf, come to this side, so we can watch the
viewers. explain what this FC Bayern is about

and what it is about, especially in terms of
power positions. A big word, but that's what

football is about, of course, so well-designed
in the past years. So I think you can start

by saying that when we talk about FC Bayern,
normally the EV, the registered club, is called.

But when you talk about the Lewandowski and
Neuer playing fantastic football, then we're

talking about the license-gamer department.
And that's now been eliminated. We are talking

about the Bayern Munich AG, the shareholder
society. This happened in 2002. Let's see how

it all works out. 75% of the shares of this
Bayern AG have remained in the hands of Bayern

Munich. The remaining 25% are divided into three.
They belong to Adidas, Audi and the Allianz.

This is the Bayern AG, where the women's footballers
belong, but also the men's licencing department.

And who are they?

in the trains. These are the powerful people.
A board and a council. You have to add that

the council controls the board. The board reports
to the council and I think everyone who has

played football knows these two faces. These
were the most prominent faces of FC Bayern

in the last decades. I think that's also the
special thing about this club. Uli Hoeneß took

over the office of the manager of the club's
sports director at Bayern in 1979. That's 42

years now, if you take the last summer, it's
41 years. Kalle Rummenigge joined the club

in 1991, that's 30 years now. I think it's never
happened before that two former players have

been the success of a club over such a long
period of time. And not only that, they were

also contact partners. the actual faces of the
club. Besides the coaches, you always knew

who FC Bayern Munich was, who had the say and
who had the responsibility. But even such a

long journey will come to an end. You mentioned
it. Uli Hoeneß first declared his farewell.

He is still the president of the club, he is
still in the board of directors, but just as

a simple member. And he gave this position to
Herbert Heiner last year.

The chairman of the board of directors is, that
is coupled, also at the same time the president

of the registered club. So that's Herbert Heiner
now. And Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, he took this

step one year later. Someone stepped up at his
place, we know him too. In the Bayern jersey,

namely the goalkeeper jersey, Olli Kahn. You
can already imagine that you thought that it

wasn't all a coincidence, but that there was
at least one season, because... It becomes

clear how much responsibility you have. I think
there are some special features where you can

see why FC Bayern is the FC Bayern. In both
cases, Uli Hoeneß has sought his successor

with Herbert Heiner himself, and ultimately
got him into office. And with Oliver Kahn,

with Kalle Rummenigge it was similar. I think
that was the first choice by Kalle Rummenigge,

but both of them have also determined that this
transition does not happen within the same

period, I think that's a great difference. That
also speaks for the sustainability of FC Bayern's

development. The two former players who have
led the club's career for so long have taken

care of the follow-up regulation. Let's go one
level deeper. This is the presentation of the

board, the respective chairmen. Then we are
with the people who are responsible for the

license-gamer department. Sport board member
Hasan Salihamidzic.

Chief coach Hansi Flick, co-coach among others,
club legend, you have to say it like that,

Hermann Gerland, Miroslav Klose, also someone
who made a living on the field, Danny Röhl,

goalkeeper coach Toni Tapalovic, he's still
there, but there was a breakdown. I don't think

it's a secret anymore that if we have these
two heads next to each other, not everything

has gone round.

If you think about what has been going on in
the last few months, it's not a secret. Nevertheless,

it's great to get nine titles in a row. That
shows that Reibung can create performance.

The same goes for Kalle and Uli. They weren't
always in the same opinion in the last five

years. Nevertheless, FC Bayern has not only
been able to bring German football, but also

international football. not only dominated,
but also provided highlights. But you can see

here the departure of Miro Klose and above all
of Hermann Gerland, who for the last 30 years,

I don't know, I can remember when I was U19
coach at VfB Stuttgart in 1991 and later we

played against each other, Hermann Gerland with
the exception of the year of Merlinger and

Munich against us at VfB Stuttgart with Thomas
Schneider, Mark Hinle. And so long has Hermann

Gerland been at FC Bayern. The departure of
him and also of Niro Klose simply shows that

this change is not only on the leadership level,
but also on the level of the coaching staff

now taking place for the future. Hansi Flick,
so away, Julian Nagelsmann, together with nine

co-captains in the office at FC Bayern Munich.
Of course, we will talk about this in detail

later in the show. But then let's maybe look
at the big picture again. It is important to

say that we have simplified it a bit. There
are still many important other people involved.

Marco Neppe, we haven't mentioned yet, as technical
director, also in an important function, and

we see again what kind of people have the say.
New, the Executive Council Chief Herbert Heiner

and the Board of Directors Oliver Kahn. I had
the opportunity to talk to Uli Hoeneß about

it a year ago, when he had resigned this office
as Executive Council Chief and also as President.

And I asked him how the contact with the new
ones is. Oliver Kahn and also Hasan Salihamidzic.

Very interesting what he said to me back then.
We can listen to it. How often do Oliver Kahn

and Hasan Salihamidzic call to discuss the competition?
It's not like they call every two days, but

if they have a question, they can do it. They
know that. And when I'm here in the Säbenoestraße,

I often sit down for half an hour with them.
Or they invite me to dinner. No, they have

enough money. And then you see that and that
is also interesting. These are very, very controversial

conversations. These are not only people who
record everything that the old man is telling

you, but who question it a lot. And you have
to defend yourself well there, often because

they have their own opinion. That's good too.
So you give Uli a meal and still have your

own opinion. I summarize. It all sounds so far
positive and yet we have to summarize again

this collapse that took place at FC Bayern Munich
in the past months. He's looking for the same

thing in the Bundesliga. Yes, that's true, but
I don't think it's unusual for the management

level. We talked about 30 years old Kalle Rummenigge,
42 years old Uli Hoeneß, that's an incredibly

long time. Both have played for the club for
many years before. I think the special thing

is the change to the head coach position, including
the whole coaching staff. That a coach who

gets nine possible titles in three quarters
of a year and then leaves Bayern is unusual.

rather when it doesn't run as well as it did
in the past three or four years at FC Bayern,

like it did at Pep Guardiola. That there is
such a change after one or three quarters of

a year is rather unusual. So we now know who
the important people are who are responsible

for FC Bayern Munich. I would say that we have
collected the first mosaic stone, i.e. the

leadership structure. Ralf, that is now our
task. Before the... I'm most worried about

that, but I'm also most happy about that. So
down here it belongs. In the end, FC Bayern

will be created. And I would say we can hold
on. Check. That's the leadership structure.

So now we know who has the reins in their hands.
But what they did, especially with the people

who are supposed to shoot the goal in the end
and who should prevent them, namely the squad,

the players of FC Bayern Munich, we'll take
a look at that next.

I think there were two times when different
clubs, including FC Bayern, could have won

Erling Haaland. I think there is no club nowadays
that I can't imagine playing with both of them.

A wise football philosopher once said, what's
important is on the pitch. And then let's see

what the Bavarians have done in the past years
on the pitch. We have arrived at the point

of team management. And of course we want to
examine exactly what the Bavarians are doing.

We always want to see what kind of specialties
there are. So what kind of patterns are there

that are recognizable? And what kind of structures
are there? Where did you break with yourself?

Let's maybe get started with the squad that
is currently there at FC Bayern Munich. So

these are the players the best team in Germany?
I would say definitely in the top. If you look

at the first 15-16 players, all those who actually
have the right to claim to be starting eleven

players, then FC Bayern is still the size of
everything in the Bundesliga. The question

is how is the card, how good is it in the wide,
if actually once on all three weddings danced,

which is now from next week the case again with
the beginning of the Champions League. What

is, if actually one or the other player is injured
falls out. That will show. Last season, we

had to experience the pain of the loss of Robert
Lewandowski in the quarterfinals against Paris

Saint-Germain, where he missed in both games.
And in these two games, he was eliminated.

For Bayern, he was eliminated too early. But
in the top, definitely, still the best of all

things and the best card of the Bundesliga.
It's interesting that you're talking about

the wide, because your colleague in the expert
position, Sandro Wagner,

FC Bayern, unlike a club like Leipzig, is more
about the top and behind the position. I would

say, Sandro has expressed himself, to be a bit
more special. The squad philosophy of FC Bayern

is different. Michael Reschke was at Bayern
for many years, Marco Neppe, who is now the

head of the squad at Bayern Munich, and Salihamidzic
as the head of the squad as a sports board.

They want to have 14 to 16 players with absolute
world class. They have their advantages and

disadvantages. The advantages are that these
14 to 16 players have many minutes of play,

they all feel important and they are always
there at the point because they didn't have

long periods on the bench. The negative is that
if someone falls out, like Lewandowski and

Kimmich, is obviously significantly weaker and
the alternatives are not as good at this level.

Alternatively, you might have a squad from Leipzig,
where 20 to 25 players with a score of 2 to

3 are in the squad, where if someone falls out
like Olmo, then there is a force back and you

have that in every position. But you don't have
this absolute world class like Bayern Munich,

so it's a different philosophy. What is good
and what is bad will show at the end of the

season, but the strategies are different. That's
interesting. Two top clubs of the Bundesliga

are doing that differently. Now we have to say,
it would be too easy to say, why don't they

get the position 17, 18, 19, 20, also very talented,
world class players. We can take a look at

what is given for the staff. The Bavarians are
leading there. But what Sandro just said, is

it understandable for you that the Bavarians
go this way and rather take a risk with 16

players?

I can agree with what Sandro said. It's a basic
deviation. How many players do I want to have

who all assume they're playing? It's easier
for the manager to moderate the whole thing

and for the players to be on board emotionally
and in a good mood throughout the season. I'm

not sure if that was actually planned.

that they have caught Marcel Savitser from RB
Leipzig on the last push. If you can believe

the media, they were actually still on Conny
Leimer until the end, and there were also concrete

conversations. That doesn't mean that it was
a concrete plan, but that it was very well

recognized internally that it should be adjusted
in terms of width. Let's take a look at how

the new approaches that have been brought in
have worked in the past years. You indicated

that maybe what Sandro explained with the players
up to position 15-16 was good to be set up,

but to have a drop behind that, you have to
say so clearly, maybe also... not planned,

but also due to wrong purchases. We have an
interesting statistic. Starting 11 matches

per new start in the last few years. That means,
to explain for you, in a year like 2018-19,

that was for example the first year of Leon
Goretzka, every new start on average made 23

games for Bayern in the season. In 2021, that
was the same as in the last season, with new

entrants like Rocker, Sa, Nübel, and Sané. A
value of 4.8. That has to be criticized. We

want to look at it with the magnifying glass.
Yes, I think the numbers are not lying. That's

why I want to go back to what we discussed earlier.
I don't think that they consciously got Sahr

and Roca from the front row, knowing that they
are usually just sitting on the bench. Neither

the players have imagined that, nor do I think
the officials of FC Bayern. And of course,

the question arises in retrospect, did it make
sense to get such players? an absolute effort

to make the team a better player. But that's
how it was done. And nevertheless, FC Bayern

has been German champions in the last nine or
ten years. And last year they won the Champions

League. They are still an absolute top club
in Europe. And what we mustn't forget about

the level of performance that we talk about
at FC Bayern, it's not easy to find players

within the Bundesliga, but also outside of it,
who actually strengthen this top squad. I think

that's a very special feature of FC Bayern,
that you have to find players who can really

help this squad. I already made a few notes
for our conversation with Julian Nagelsmann.

This position, which has now occupied my number,
you can also occupy it with young German people.

We will also deal with the issue of youth work.
I have a small knot in my T-shirt, to remember

later. But we have to talk about one thing that
cannot even appear in the numbers. Transfers

were done well, I hope we could work that out.
Transfers were not done quite as well. But

we also know about transfers that were never
done, but which might have been meaningful.

There is always a name that appears, Erling
Haaland. Meanwhile, with Borussia Dortmund,

I don't think anyone doubts what potential he
has, what talent he has. Dortmund is even shooting

at Bavaria. These are statements that the Bavarians
have made in recent years about this Erling

Haaland. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, for example,
who just emphasized, Robert Lewandowski is

here, why then get a Haaland. How should this
be financed? There was already, there is information

in front of us, a time when Erling Haaland could
have been brought. Am I right?

I think there were two times when different
clubs, including FC Bayern, could have won

Erling Haaland. First, when he played in Molde.
I know from Hermann Gerland that he watched

him in West Germany at the U17s. He went there
very carefully and scored two or three goals

in that game. Hermann told me that he was totally
thrilled by him and actually said that he should

be obliged. back then. I think Erling Haaland
made the right decision with his father to

go to Salzburg to get as many games as possible
and to develop further. Of course, theoretically,

there would have been the possibility before
last winter when he had a exit clause at RB

Salzburg to change the club. Back then, I think,
it was not possible to imagine that he could

play with Robert Lewandowski, but that he would
only have come as a backup for Robert Lewandowski.

I think everyone in the world sees that today.
And I'm pretty sure that internally at FC Bayern,

if you talk about it today, you could imagine
playing with both of them. They are two strikers

that Robert shot 39 goals last season in the
Bundesliga. No, he shot 41 goals. An absolute

record set by Gerd Müller.

I wouldn't be surprised if he scored over 30
goals this season. Of course it's conceivable

that these two can play together. I think that's
the case with Bayern, because they are different

strikers. Erling Haaland is a striker, probably
the most vertical and thinking striker in the

world, who is constantly on the jump to actually
demand balls to the top, to the seam. And Robert

can do both. Robert is a player who can actually
come up against,

In this respect, I think there is no club that
I can't imagine playing with both of them.

We listed it very nicely. You mentioned it.
So that was the market value for the time of

the change, for the next club. And you say there
were these two moments from Molde to Salzburg,

where the Bavarians could have scored. And we
see that it would have been cheaper there.

And then Salzburg-Dortmund, there too, of course,
would have been an option. I have to ask you

all. Meanwhile, much more value, much more expensive.
If this should happen, can you imagine that

it will eventually become a part of the Bayern
shirt again? These are the market value numbers,

but not the real numbers. The first two numbers
are about the same, but the number at Salzburg

with 45 million, the market value was certainly
higher, but it's no secret that he had an exit

clause for 20 million. That's why he was actually
even less for back then. And the number now,

the current market value, will probably be even
higher than what it says.

But next season he will have a low starting
clause at Borussia Dortmund. Even a lot lower

than what is written there. In this respect,
theoretically, next summer will be the opportunity

to get Erling Haaland to the FC Bayern. Although
I don't know what Erling is planning. As he

has developed, he will get offers from various
leagues, including England, that the clubs

will be right on him. I'm already looking forward
to this broadcast. We will have more episodes

and dedicate ourselves to other clubs. Leipzig,
Dortmund, for example, and international top

clubs. I'm almost sure that Erling Haaland won't
be here for the last time. I would like to

say something about this, because I have already
experienced situations like this as a coach

or sports director. I can remember the year
2009, after we played the Bundesliga with Hoffenheim

for one year, I watched Robert Lewandowski at
the beginning of the second Bundesliga season

at a test game for Lech Posen in Austria. They
were in training camp and I watched him in

person for a long time. I decided not to bring
him in at first because I couldn't imagine

that he could replace one of the three we already
had. Today, when I think about it, I have to

smile and pull my shoulders up. Such things
happen in football, but of course, I think

we are actually in agreement with Erling Haaland,
this player who will be the international football

for the next 10, 12, maybe even longer years,
because he just has an incredible combination

of technique, speed, depth, mentality, header
play. In 1.94 meters, the boy is now also starting

to score outstanding header goals.

also fantastic for the Bundesliga if he would
play here in Germany for a few more years.

So I think that's how we rounded off the topic
of team management to make it clear again.

There are mistakes at this level in the management
area, but of course not only in Bavaria. We

don't want to play the super teacher here and
say that we would do everything better. All

of this is part of professional football. We
take the mosaic stone and close the topic of

team management. Set it up. and then we'll get
to our puzzle. I would like to quote the great

Jürgen Klopp, who once said, I sometimes have
the feeling that I am the only one in the football

world for whom training is even more important
than transfers. I can say, dear Jürgen, we

have talked about it a lot here, but you are
not alone with that. Our next section is dedicated

to you, the coach. I certainly wouldn't have
agreed to this change and would have helped

FC Bayern out of the mess. You may have a little
more of this pressure and expectation of the

club's management than perhaps other clubs,
but that's also the attractive thing. That's

what Julian actually heard the entire team of
Bagmann say, what he said to his players.

For our next category, for our next mosaic stone,
we went to our picture wall. Ralf, if you look

at the coaches of Bayern from the past years,
they are quite different characters. I wonder,

what do you need as a Bayern coach? You should
be successful in the best case, but is there

a special profile for Bayern?

As you just said, it's about winning games,
getting as many titles as possible. It's also

an offensive way of playing that has a lot to
do with dominance and control. And to leave

a handwritten letter behind as a coach or as
a team member. But what also comes with it

is the way players interact with each other.
I think that's also very important for Bayern,

that the players are treated the same way as
they wish and that you can expect from a top

coach. But then there's something else that's
important for me at Bayern, namely this club,

this club's family, this MIR San MIR, that you
should just be part of this family and had

to in the past. And whenever that didn't quite
work out, I'm here now with the two coaches

on my left. with Luis Franjal and Giovanni Trabantoni,
then they are basically exactly on one of these

two things. In the end, they were perhaps not
so successful and didn't win any Champions

League at least. And if you look at it from
the other side, Hansi Flick and Jupp Heynckes,

who both won the Champions League, they have
covered very many of these areas almost perfectly.

So different types, but if you call it the FC
Bayern München orchestra, then you have brought

all your own notes. Was es auch Michel Markolescu?

The Bavarian house order for a lot of glitter.
The coach is the most important employee of

the club. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, until summer,
president of FC Bayern. And the memory of a

caesura. We've had a good coach in the last
few years. It started with van Gaal. With him,

a new style draws in at FC Bayern. Dominance
through possession of the ball. Louis van Gaal

makes the wing game the club's heart. Bayern
Munich had always played 4-4-2 or 5-3-2. It

was not, in my opinion, the right system. My
favourite system is 4-3-3. The attacking line

is his legacy to this day. A coach with maximum
self-confidence. I have a body like a god.

There is little cuddling and very quickly cuddling.
He gives a clear idea of what he wants. He

is clear. What more can I say if you follow
the training? Unbelievable! He's

coming! What is he doing? The training at Van
Gaal was always good, but the people weren't

so happy. We had also a lot of conversation
with each other, with tears in our eyes. Emotions,

innovation, some titles, and a crushing end.
Success is one thing, but having fun is another.

And the fun has been missing in this club for
a long time. And that the players were behind

him is a fairy tale. The president's friend
is the third time as Bayern's head coach. Jupp

Heynckes. Less scuffing, less self-portrait,
more touch-up units for the artists in the

squad. A great person. He laughs a lot and always
has fun. He has a very good relationship with

all the players. They all suffer together. Drama
Dahorn, Champions League final 2012. The Henkelpot

slips them out of their own stadium, painfully.
Then it gets even worse. I think we have to

get rid of the winning mentality again. And
you have to do something about it. You have

to do more than usual. They start when their
successor is already stuck. They play in the

history books. Then the best football was played,
which Munich had never seen. Triple. The triple

becomes his hypotheque. Pep Guardiola, no time
to rest for his team. Small, little details,

I'm lying. You go down. He is chasing the ideal
football with religious zeal. 100% ball-based,

I want that. I want that. National is very close.
National sparkles year after year. Internationally,

the opponents triumph, always in the semi-final,
if it comes to that. Also with 0% possession.

And then everyone is amazed. Wow, no wonder.
If that happens, the possession is nothing.

Guardiola goes out of free play and the Bayerns
dare again more Heinkes, more heart than head,

with Carlo Ancelotti. When you go out to dinner
with him, it's not boring and you can see that

he enjoys eating and drinking. Diet in the trophy
cabinet for that. Champion's bowl and nothing.

Bayern are getting more vulnerable and Ancelotti
quickly vanishes. For us, it's not a normal

situation that we separate from the coach during
the season. Heinckes again.

I noticed that FC Bayern had no other alternative.
Support for the next championship, the seventh

in a row. Dominant and elegant he plays. He
has a leadership that is crazy how good she

is. And that is extremely important. With the
successor, it is no longer so easy. We want

to save every meter. With Niko Kovac, performance-makers
lose their place and their mood. From stormy

Bavaria, they become hesitant. And after a last-match
championship, the kid is quickly breaking.

You can't try to ride 200 on the motorway if
you only manage 100. Hansi Flick takes over

in autumn 2019 and then runs at a speed of sound.
With the team, I immediately found this red

thread of empathy. With the same frame, with
a changed structure and hierarchy.

Four more titles follow the year after, the
most successful time in the club's history.

Maximally spectacular. He brought back this
FC Bayern style. It's a great honour to take

care of this team. Now it's his turn to continue
the success. Julian Nagelsmann, the youngest

Bayern coach for almost 30 years. I'm happy
to welcome him here in our centre. Coach of

FC Bayern, Julian Nagelsmann. Hello, good afternoon.
I'm very happy. We just saw some pictures.

We see the big coaches and personalities. How
does it feel to be allowed to write the continuation

yourself? First of all, a big footstep into
which you step. I think everyone can imagine

that if you get a call that you don't want to
have as a coach in Munich, then you first think

about who was there before, who was there in
the youngest past. When you take over a club,

it's always like that. That's a very crucial
factor at the moment. And after Hansi Flick,

with all the titles, it wasn't the most optimal,
because there's pressure. But basically, if

you take a club of this format from Bayern Munich,
you always have the pressure of success. Everyone

wants to win titles, regardless of whether everything
was won in the year before or two years before.

In the end, it's always about, and I've seen
it in the match, that you win games, that you

win titles. All that is still paired with an
attractiveness for the spectators. If you play

abroad and only win 1-0, it's not nice, then
there are still critical voices. So you have

a little more of this pressure of expectation
and the expectations of the club's management

than other clubs, but that's also the attractive
thing. Now Reif just said, then there's this,

who often calls me, so this identity that is
important to have long-term success. Did you

think about that before you came to Bayern?
Of course, you have that on the screen. You

always think about what is required when you
take over a club, what is required in addition

to the things that should happen on the pitch,
maybe in cooperation with the club management,

with the fans, with club staff. But I have a
lot of things moving in my following stations,

in Hoffenheim, a club that brings together again.
We had a good relationship in Leipzig. I'm

a close friend of all the other employees. It's
a point that's on my personal agenda. That

I'm leading a club together. That it's not just
about winning games. Of course in the first

place, because I'm paid for that. But that you
create an identity in the club. That every

employee feels a certain responsibility when
we win. Also a certain responsibility when

we don't win or feel disappointed. You have
to be open and friendly. You have to look around

in other departments and take care of the communication
with the board members. That's very important,

but not only that. Other department leaders
and normal employees try to get me on board

and to have conversations. They want to get
to know me and know that I'm no different than

them. Only because I'm a Bundesliga coach and
I'm on TV more often or I can sit in a nice

studio like this. I'm a completely normal person
and I try to take everyone with me. This young

Bayern coach was much younger than Ralf Rangnick
met him. Ralf, maybe you can tell us when you

two first met. That's exactly ten years ago,
2011. He was my coach and head coach last year.

And Julian was U16 coach at the time. and then
had a point game in my hometown of Baglang.

My younger son David played against the U17s
of Baglang. They played against each other

and the game went unquiet, I think. Yes. 1-1.
Right. And after the game, I think in the week

or the day after the game, Julian wrote me an
email first and saw that I was at the game

and asked if we could exchange ideas about the
game, how I found it, how I saw it, especially

tactically. And so we actually got to know each
other personally for the first time. Did he

answer?

Absolutely, of course. He wanted a good coach.
That was our first encounter. What I remember

as a funny memory, I talked to my son about
it afterwards. He told me that the two cabins

were very close together in the half-time. His
coach couldn't say anything, because Julian

explained to his players very loudly what they
should do in the second half-time. Then the

whole team actually had... Julian belongs to
what he said about his players. I still have

that as a very funny anecdote in connection
with this game in memory. What was the idea

with you back then when you contacted Ralf?
Already quite clearly with the goal, that's

one of the things I want to learn from, but
at some point I want a position like he has

it. Yes, it was like that when I was coach at
60 Co. In my early days as coach. Then the

request from Hoffenheim came, which was a decisive
point for me. Hoffenheim was a club that grew,

that was not yet at the end of development.
That was very interesting and Ralf was the

head coach. Ralf was already considered a pioneer,
who played football in a very certain way.

And of course someone you can learn from. It
is always advisable when you are a youth coach,

that you try to have a wire to the head coach,
who trains with the professionals to develop

you, especially in the young age I was in. and
that was the decision for Hoffenheim, also

one for Ralf and an important point to learn.
It is of course not common for the head coach

of the professionals to approach a youth coach,
you have to do something else about it. Ralf

has answered and from then on we have been in
a rain exchange until today. But we may have

to talk about what happened afterwards, because
by now the Bayern coach Julian Nagelsmann is

called. You hear from Leipzig... Julian Nagelsmann
pressed on the tearful and wanted to go to

Bayern. What is the truth now? So it was actually
so clear that you didn't leave Leipzig a choice?

No, it wasn't that clear. There was a contractual
situation that was completely clear. I had

a four-year contract, was there for two years
and didn't have any clause. That's off the

top. In other words, I couldn't leave the club
for any fixed sum on the day X. When Hansi

Flick decided to leave Bayern and the call from
Bayern came, I had a very relaxed, free talk

with Olli Münzler. I said, if Bayern officially
asked, I would like to do that. But I am aware

of my contractual situation and if the club
decides that it doesn't work, then I will continue

to work with the same passion. Ralf doesn't
know me very well yet, but basically I'm not

someone who wants to box out or just... He has
things forced to his own advantage. Of course

it's a dream of mine to be a Bayern Munich coach.
But I signed the contract in Leipzig back then

with Ralf and Olli, and I was fully aware of
it. I decided to stay longer than these two

years. It wasn't planned that I would leave
the club after two years. That's why it was

a very open conversation. The first conversation
went completely differently than I had expected.

not that it was categorically excluded, but
there was a totally open conversation. And

then there was a second one, after Bayern Munich
had officially requested it. And then I was

told that we were working together on a solution.
And that was how I got out of the subject.

That's what the club leaders did. And then I
waited until Sunday after the Stuttgart game,

when it became a little more concrete. But...
I didn't press on the tears, and I wouldn't

have been angry if I had stayed in Leipzig.
I took over a very good team. Maybe even in

the front, Ralf didn't just fight for me in
Leipzig once, but also for other areas in Leipzig.

I just noticed that there is a great desire
to come to this club and I owe the club a lot.

I had a great team, a very good connection to
the coaching team, we had an incredibly good

spirit, a nice time in the city. there would
have been much worse things to stay in. It

was zero pressure from me, but a very polite
question and with a solution at the end, which

is not so bad for Leipzig from monetary point
of view. I'll summarize again. If Leipzig had

said, in no case, Jürgen Nagelsmann stays here,
then that would have happened. Reif, you were

no longer in office at RB at the time. Who?
Quite openly asked. What do you think would

have been your decision if this topic had existed?

We wouldn't all be sitting here, at least not
in the respective roles. We've already told

the story. We made a clear strategic decision
for Julian. There would have been other coach

solutions, also German coach solutions, which
would have been available immediately. We consciously

decided for Julian because we were convinced
that he was the coach who would have the most...

has the greatest potential for development,
but also to develop the team. And that has

come true afterwards. For me, it was not without
risk to sit on the coach's chair again. I had

more to lose than to win. That it was in the
end third place with Jametsi, Quali and Cup

final was not so predictable or clear that it
would come. Then Julian actually came to Leipzig,

had two... very successful years, both in terms
of the results and in terms of the team's development.

He has actually developed the team to another
level. And then, when you have a situation,

as Julian just described, that the biggest competitor
in Germany suddenly becomes in need, as far

as the coach is concerned, and then you just
pull it out for money. And I assume that if

there is something that RB would not necessarily
need, also because of the other sales of players

like Upamecano or Konaté or Marcel Zabitzer,
then it's money. I would certainly not have

agreed to this change and helped FC Bayern out
of the punch, but I would have clearly told

Julian at a very early point, be careful Julian,
no way, we still have an exciting time ahead

of us and you stay with us. I can say I'm happy
now. that we can sit here. I hope you understand

me. And I have to get the part back there. I
would say we have cut off the part trainer

type. I'll take you to our mosaic right away.
Thanks for the detailed words. And now I would

like to know in the next step how Julian Nagelsmann
develops FC Bayern. You promised me you would

help me with the engine. I'll hold it a little
tight. It's still easy. So, and what the man

with the Bavarians does to raise you to another
level, we'll find out now. So, and I unfortunately

ruined this scientific experiment. So if now
GELB would be Dortmund, you would have to change

the basic order here, because under Marco Rose
you play... We just keep calling you GELB.

Yes, I speculate on them, then this room gets
big.

I want to be honest, this is my favorite puzzle
stone here. The game philosophy. I would say

we can really get down to business. I'll put
that aside, because we've built a little playground

here. I want to see what the Bavarians are doing
here. We have also prepared analysis scenes.

We can also get a little out of it. But Julian,
because we've already talked about it earlier,

that there are certain requirements for the
FC Bayern Munich coach. What does that mean

on the field? The opponents? They are usually
low. Most of the games in the Bundesliga, the

Champions League is divided into two, in the
group stage. But most of the opponents are

low and expect the biggest chances in the counter.
That requires a few things from you as a team.

That you have a certain idea of how you want
to open the game. Some teams will of course

admit it, because it is the simplest way to
have a high ball win, closer to our own goal.

But most of them will fall back in the course
of the game, sometimes with a five-pointed

chain, sometimes with a four-pointed chain,
sometimes with a six-pointed chain, sometimes

with a seven-pointed chain. And you need solutions,
you need ideas. There are totally different

approaches. Some coaches like to play with a
very wide four-pointed chain to see the opponent

in the middle field. I'm more of a person who
likes to pull the opponent's chain apart and

tries to create more spaces in the front third
despite the deep position. And then it's just

extremely much about... Boxing is also a topic
in the analysis scene. But it's also about

the defensive play, the midfield play, to prevent
the counter. If you look at the data and statistics

from the last years, Bayern were the most counter-attacked
team after Schalke U-4. And that is, on the

one hand, the opponent's deep position, and
winning the ball and then a very aggressive

position. The Bayern players and that we want
to prevent the opponent from coming to counter

and creating many final situations. Then there
are always standard situations that make up

30 percent of the goals. All topics that should
be prevented if you want to play as successful

as possible. So I'll throw the ball in, let's
say ball possession, because so often and so

often in the central defense of Bayern. And
now we have the yellow ones that are stacking,

we have them here with a three-point chain.
What is the basic idea now? Because getting

ready is already a plan. to pull these chains
together. Let's do it a little deeper, so it's

like in real games. Basically, there are different
variations. You can now, if you... I'll say,

the classic approach, because most coaches have
a very flat fielder chain, yes, to then just

pull the middle field from the opponent, what
you can see here, with the six, two eights,

and then pull two tips apart. I'm more of a
for that, depending on which side you play

on, without telling too much. But basically,
we have this structure very often in the structure,

yes, that we open it up like this, send the
left defender very high, then we have here

with Thomas one. and the right one who pulls
the chain apart. Then we have a season that

certainly looks different than with many other
teams. It's about keeping the midfield chain

rather tight and also the two wingers, in this
case, in the last game it was often here, Franco

Davis on the left, right was Serge Gnabry, pulling
the chain apart from the opponent. And then

there's just always the situation... Maybe you'll
come along and show, from a Dortmund point

of view, now I've said it, how much does this
put you at risk? So how much is he really forced,

the Dortmund coach?

If it was Dortmund, you would have to change
the rules. We'll just call you yellow. What

Julian wants to do is clear. It's a certain
asymmetry in the build-up. Of course, this

situation with Alfonso Davis puts the opponent
at the front of the task. What do I do with

this player there? Who runs who in the front?
And that results in free spaces in the build-up.

That's the clear background of it. Also the
impressive right back, which is already on

a six-point range, usually when he was four,
is an additional starting point. In this respect,

this asymmetry of red shows that it is extremely
difficult for the opponent to get access at

any time. We have prepared a scene, we can go
to our analysis tool. I think you can see exactly

what we talked about. It's a scene against Hertha.
Stanićic, right back, you're allowed to play

anytime. You can see in the scene that Fonzy
is still flat, but is about to get into a higher

position. So here, just to the goal, there's
Fonzy and we... Let's let it run a little further.

Now we can stop and see the structure I just
indicated. We have the two defenders inside,

the one who moved in. Leon is playing like with
three sixes in front of the two defenders.

Now you can see the effect on the opponent.
If I highlight the player who is inside. Then

you get the pass path free. Now you can see
here... Serge, who is almost in the last line,

has a high position and is now being played.
And that's why I'm pulling the chain apart,

you can see it here, the left defender from
Hertha. And that's the one that's more interesting

for me, my idea, namely the defense chain. Of
course I can now put them all wide open here.

I can put one here, one there. Then I might
pull this player out here, then he goes out

here, then he has to stand wider. Then I open
the space here, but the goalkeeper is unfortunately

on the other side and not in his own half. That's
why I prefer to tie many midfielders here.

If you let it run further, you can see how the
chain pulls apart. Stop. And now you can see

when the ball is played a little better. And
we have a good attack behavior here. We put

them down. Thomas pulls deep. And that's already
the inner defender. And at some point, when

I get through here, and we just have smart players
with Thomas, we have Levi, physically incredibly

good, with Jamal, with Leroy, who is through
in the first game. If I see now... that the

left defender has to defend extremely on the
wing due to this structure, then I know that

in the box you can defend two players. If we
then see another scene, how we design the box

occupation, then it will be difficult for the
opponent to prevent it with two. I want to

take a quick look at how it went. I'll get through
here. Yes, right. In the end we also have many

games in the box. There are now 1, 2, 3, 4,
5 games. But by the way, let me show that once.

You are now in the position where your left
defender is in the left striker position. And

Musiala, who is actually playing on the basic
scheme, is here in this position. So exactly

as I wanted. I would like to make it even more
extreme, to be honest. That means if we let

it run a little further, then it would be better
to have this structure, which is even higher

than it was earlier in the last line. And we'll
see. really here in the half space, because

then it's just even more difficult in this case
for Zephulk, for the right defender of Hertha,

to decide. If I attack out in the half space,
then we just have the depth with Fonsi with

his speed, or he stays deep. Then he can get
the ball in the half space and stick it through.

It's extremely difficult to defend on Fonsi.
But the basic idea is very, very good in the

scene. And then you just have an incredible
amount of space on the far wing of the ball

for Fonsi, who can use that well with his speed.
Can we still go back to the starting situation

we had before? You say stop. Yes, and we're
both ahead. a little bit more forward.

So, stop. What you can see here, even if the
opponent has decided, as most opponents do,

to stay close and compact, to make the spaces
narrow, not to let Bayern come to their game,

you can see how hard it is for the opponent.
If it's possible, then only with extremely

high running effort and with a lot of tactical
discipline. But Bayern does it extremely cleverly.

Here, through Davis and here through, that's
Serge, right? Yes, exactly. They've of course

occupied the two wings extremely wide, thus
pulling the game in the opposite half, which

is already extremely wide apart. And they still
have here, through the entry here from Stanisic,

is that right? Yes, exactly. And the two sixes,
Goretzka and Kimmich, and in addition Thomas

Müller, sometimes even Robert, who is also here
in the middle field, they have of course everywhere,

on every level. a lot of play-offs and can,
when the middle is actually closed, then still

evade from the outside. And that makes it extremely
difficult for every opponent to defend in the

end. That means they have a lot of possibilities
in the build-up game. In addition, of course,

there are two extremely strong sixers with Leon
and Jo Kimmich, who also want to have balls,

who are not only good at playing against the
ball, but are also really good build-up players.

And then with Thomas Müller. who is not the
best space deuter of Europe, but who knows

exactly where he can offer himself in the red
zone. For the defenders, there are many options.

You can choose, we'll play one of the six, we'll
play the ball on the top level of the 10, or

if it doesn't work differently, we'll play one
of the players positioned on the outside. I

have a question. Julian, we saw that here, this
Danish... I'm saying... I'm being pressured.

Let's take this as a special role, as a back-to-right
defender. and the left defender goes down the

line very offensively. Do you always play it
like this? No. Does it lie more or can it work

differently? You can do it differently. Fonzie
usually has this position, but then it's just

a defensive position, he'll have another one
running. He can run left foot on the 10th position,

purely theoretically on the 4th or 1st. If we
do the structure like this, then he would play

defensively as a left defender, because we attack
defensively with a normal 4th chain. If we

do it differently, he would be attacking the
left toe. But basically, if Lukas Hernandez

was injured in this game, he's fit now. If he
plays as a left-back defender, then the rotation

will be different. And now you said, we're getting
to the important point, the boxing

What Ralf said is right, the starting point
we have in this situation, but besides the

boxing set-up I mentioned earlier, it's important
to have a good counter-safety. Regardless of

the height, whether we have the ball in our
own half or have the same structure in the

middle, it's important to me that we keep the
center closed. We have two security players

against one point and then three sixers who
keep the center compact and we have a lot of

staff in counter-pressing. If you have the extremely
wide-open four-pointed chain, You're often

on the second ball not good. You have way too
wide paths in counter pressing. And I don't

care if the opponent has to switch over the
wing position at some point in their own half,

because it takes a long time. But it shouldn't
have this direct path through the center. And

everything that is such an extremely flat 4
in the opening always poses the risk that you

have large half spaces in front of the chain,
that the opponent can switch quickly. And besides

the boxing position, this structure is important
in counter pressing. To have a connection,

if you play the ball in the last line on Serge
or the ball on Thomas in the interim, you have

three players who can come behind the ball.
But in the counter-pressing you have five players

who keep the center compact. And the opponent
can only switch over the wings if, plus boxing,

as you can see at the end. And we will see later
in the scenes that we have prepared, even if

the ball goes lost somewhere and the opponent
actually has the chance to get access, you

have the opportunity to come into the counter-pressing
immediately. to win the ball back with the

second wave and then create the chance for a
non-organized opponent. That's of course the

big advantage. As Julian said, Bayern were the
second most counter-attacked team in the last

year, and that has clearly improved after the
few games so far, not only in the Bundesliga

but also in the other games. I didn't count
how many people were there at the goal at the

box. All those who now lie arm in arm. That's
the advantage, too. The way to the goalkeeper

is relatively short. But that has a system.
We found a very interesting statistic. So this

topic of boxing, how many people are then when
it gets dangerous, namely when it comes to

the goal, in the opponent's penalty area. Take
a look at that. I think you have to explain

that in more detail. So it's about. how many
players were in the penalty area when the goal

was scored. These are all Bayern goals scored
in the compulsory games before the sixth game.

There were five standard goals, or four standard
goals and an own goal. But we see in the upper

two lines, 18 times to switch, 15 times to bison.
And if we now walk over to the right, we see

the respective number of players. So to give
you an example, to switch, where we have taken

the definition, In the last 20 seconds, the
goal was scored. There were two cases where

only one was in the box. Three times were three.
But there were even cases where seven people,

so two more than just now, were in the box.
And now the question is, is it the system or

is it coincidence? Because we all want to play
the ball in the box. First of all, it's about

the desire of the player, whether you want to
score goals. We have a lot of offensive players

on the field who all want to score goals. But
of course, in the first place, with staff in

the box, you bind opponents. That means the
opponent has less counter-staff. It's very

simple if we don't score a goal. If we score
a goal, the probability of winning is much

higher, because a bounce to us, if you have
5-6 players at 16, then you get almost every

second ball. And if you get six players in the
box, or sometimes even seven, then the opponent,

you always say in your own box, is man against
man, then there is nothing to cover space with

the ball, but man against man. That means you
need five, six, seven players to bind yourself.

has a maximum of three or four players. Your
counter-pressing becomes much, much easier.

And the probability of such simple goals, you
shoot, we against Barcelona, maybe we can look

at the goal from Lewy against Barca, you see
in the end, yes, that's a bounce at the post,

you say a random goal, but still we have staff
in the 16th. And the probability that the ball

then bounces to us, or we at least get a second,
or under guarantee get no counter, which is

just very, very high. You can see a similar
structure, which we just mentioned. Mostly

in this game with a three-pointed chain. We're
lucky, but we're still good at counter-pressing,

because we have the compact center. And now
you can see, there are already five or six

players on the box. Great position by Fonzie.
Not extremely on the wing, but tight. And I

mean, the ball is bouncing off to us, the ball
is bouncing off to us again. And now we have

four in the first line plus three back-up players.
You can actually... It's extremely difficult

to defend. You can clear the ball. You can't
counter it. If you can't explain it, it's in

there. Because you have a feeling, like Lewy.
The goal is not that easy. Those who have a

lot to do with football, they know that. That's
an extremely complicated goal. He's doing an

excellent job. But there are just many players
in the 16th. And I mean, these bounce-offs,

they often come to you. And then you get free
shots, standards, hand-to-hand games. There's

everything in there. We like to call it the
coincidence to force it. Because of course

that was a bounce-off. But if there aren't that
many players there... in and around the box,

then the ball would have come to a player from
Basa. That's even twice. In that respect, this

is how it's played. As Julian described, it
also has something to do with the desire to

be involved in the offensive, but also to want
to become dangerous with the goal. If you think

about how many goals Leon Goretzka and Jo Kimmich
have scored this season, I think against Borum,

Jo did two. If you have two of those sixers
in addition, then... If we take it seriously,

it's the case with Bayern that apart from the
two internal defenders, everyone wants to be

goal-dangerous, not just individually. In this
respect, both with the ball, of course not

by chance that they have scored so many goals,
but also at the same time an excellent counter-pressing

medium, because by having so many players around
the box, you can immediately, even if a ball

falls off or the ball goes lost, immediately
go back into the counter-pressing game. I find

it particularly exciting because we, of course,
when we prepare games from you, look what is

beautiful and what is elegant, played through
here and so on. This is only once a situation

where you say, oh well, they have a lot of quantity
in it. There it is in the first moment, of

course, Levi also has the smell for exactly
the situation, also in terms of quantity and

not in terms of quality. But that is still a
factor of success in the end. Now I have a

surprise for you, because now I wanted to say
at some point, I have prepared a scientific

experiment to explain that a little more precisely.
So, it means, if I understand you correctly,

that you are forced to do it with this luck.
If you have two people in the box and one of

them shoots at this goal. So, because I am a
bad shooter, there is a box occupation. And

I am sure that the goalkeeper will hold him,
in this case symbolized by the wall. Where

does the ball land? In this case, in nothing.
But you have 4, 5, 6 and that is exactly what

you mean, right? Let's say so. Then you have...
It feels just as exciting for me as it does

for you. Oh, right in the space. That's annoying.
I had the one-time opportunity and unfortunately

I wasted this scientific experiment. But I think
that's how you understand it. Luck is forced,

because there are people in the box and if something
is faked and it works or happens at the highest

level, then you have more opportunity to retry.
In the end, it's always about defending the

worst case. And that's a ball loss. The best
case is the goal. The bounce doesn't always

fall on your feet, but you have to assume as
a coach that you lose a ball or shoot at the

post, it bounces off. Then it comes to us, with
a high probability, because there is a lot

of staff. But it's also about that from a coach's
point of view, if we don't score a goal, the

opponent can't counter. And you simply tie a
lot of staff to the opponent deep in his own

half. I only have one more request. I need a
player to connect to set this strong front

here. Now, thank you very much. So we have the
next building block. for our great mosaic over

the FC Bayern Munich. Although that's even easier.
It's going to be hard, it's going to be hard.

Yes. So, we have tackled the topic of game philosophy.
We have seen which people are currently regulating

the FC Bayern on the pitch. With the young coach,
still young coach Julian Nagelsmann. Now we

go to the very young ones, namely the topic
of youth. It's always a straight walk and a

balance act that is important, that requires
a lot of manpower and a lot of people who care

about the players. You can already see how this
market is fighting internationally. It's not

so easy for us to develop a player.

The lovely youth. We've chosen a really nice
setting for that. There are a lot of old shirts

here. And basically this is the room where you
normally sweat, where you work, so here in

the locker room. The topic of youth is really
special for you, right? Yes, when you come

from a youth and the youth football has grown
plus, of course, as an active player, you have

to run through the NHL, then of course you have
your connection to it. There are also some

economic conditions, in addition to the pandemic,
which has an economic consequence for everyone,

but also in comparison to the English league
or some regulatory conditions in other countries.

For example, Paris, which can invest much more
than we do, has to have creative solutions.

One of these creative solutions is definitely
a successful and good youth work. And there

you have installed something that is called
Bayern Campus. Ansofi Kimmel looked at it and

met someone who works closely with you and who
has a very important responsibility for the

future.

Greetings from FC Bayern Campus. I'm very happy
that we're not only showing a lot here today,

but also getting a lot of information. And that
from the head of the youth department, Jochen

Sauer, nice that you're taking the time. Thank
you. What does a classic day like this look

like from the players' point of view? Yes, we
have a lot of very young players here at the

Campus. The typical day starts with school.
Almost all of our players are school-related.

Then it goes to school in the morning.

Then the players are here and then the training
starts between 17 and 17.30. And of course

the whole thing four to five times a week. How
many players are we talking about at the moment?

How many teams are there and how many youth
players? We train here from U10 to U19. That's

a total of ten teams, including our second team,
which is partly trained here, but mostly on

the Sebener Street. And then we have two girls'
teams, two women's teams. 120 players who are

here every day in the training business. Now
you have been here since 2017. What are the

biggest changes you have made? When I started
here in Bavaria in 2017, the move was also

made here in the newly built campus of the Sebener
Street. And I think that was not only for me.

I have spent only a few months on the Sebener
Street, but for most of the employees a huge

step. We had one and a half training places
for our young players on the Sebener Street,

and then you come to a area that is 31 hectares
in size, with 7 training sites, with a very

large academy, with 40 boarding rooms. And that
was a whole new world for all employees, for

our youth players. And then we started here
in 2017 with this infrastructure from the beginning

and have developed here in the last four years,
piece by piece, in terms of content. that are

here.

We are at Bayern Munich and the professional
team is very successful. It's about winning

titles and winning every game. We are preparing
for the professional level and the pressure

of success that comes with the first team. We
are preparing for that as best as possible.

Do you set goals? Do you think that many young
players will have to achieve them within the

next few years? It's difficult because it's
about football, it's about players, it's about

people. It's difficult to follow a plan there.
But of course, our goal is to train players

for FC Bayern Munich, for the professional team.
If we can do it the way we did last year with

Jamal Musiala and now Josep Stanisic on the
edge, if we can get one closer every year,

then we're very, very happy. Thank you very
much. You're welcome. Thank you, Ansofi

Kimmel. Thank you, Jochen Sauer. We got an impression
of what's happening at work. I would like to

start with one point. This balance act, the
demand that a top club like FC Bayern has,

to be justified, to get a lot of people and
make them pros, but on the other hand you have

to let the boys or the girls be human. That's
a difficult task, isn't it? It's generally

difficult in performance sports, because there's
always a certain demand behind it, in terms

of time, in terms of effort. Then there's the
subject of school, Jochen also said that in

the end it's not just about developing a sportsman,
but also a person behind it. It's all young

talents, young people who come there, whether
young or young girls, who still have to develop

themselves humanly, socially. And of course
you can't make a full-blooded professional

out of every player, or from every player a
full-blooded professional, but there are also

some who maybe make a little money with football,
There are some who won't make it and have to

prepare for normal life. It's a straight walk
and a balance act that is important, which

requires a lot of manpower and a lot of people
who take care of the players. That's why the

campus was a very important decision to do it
in Munich. Both in terms of modern training

and in terms of opportunities around it, in
terms of school care, international seats and

so on. It's very, very important to bring out
the one or two players who play for us, and

in Europe, in the top leagues, to accompany
many young talents on their way to adulthood.

We want to look at the structures in this program,
at patterns, maybe typical patterns of the

respective club. Ralf, you have already met
so many clubs, you have always had to do with

youth work, with youth work.

Can you actually work differently? For example,
is there already a sense of belonging in Bavaria?

Or are there basic patterns that actually apply
to every club when it comes to the future?

I think that's the case everywhere, even in
every country. You have to try to find and

develop the best possible German players. And
when you think of Bayern, the players who come

and go from Munich or from Bayern, you've already
done well in the past with players like Thomas

Müller. Or even if he didn't come from Bayern,
Mats Hummels or Holger Ballstuber. Schweini

is a good example. But it doesn't always work
that you have players from your own region.

But that should be the first goal, even when
scouting, that you have at least the area within

100 kilometers in sight. Beyond that, of course,
it's about the rest of Germany. And in the

meantime, it's no longer a secret that you're
in the European top leagues dueling around

the top talents. We have now had the tendency
in recent years that young top talents from

England came to Germany with Jude Bellingham,
with Jadon Sand. show, just to name two. You

can see how this market is fighting internationally.
To get back to Bayern, you have to say that

until 2015, almost ten years, Bayern was not
a big player in the youth sector, there was

no club that was really committed. It started
with the campus and especially with the obligation

of Jochen Sauer that you played a serious role
again, that you were in the third league with

the second team, a year later, and even if you
have gone up again last year, you can see how

many players have developed there. Julian said
it's already with Stenicic and Musiala 2 in

the squad of Julian, but of course also a lot
of players who have won the last year, the

previous year, with the second team, have now
landed with other clubs. And I think that's

the minimum requirement that a club like Bayern
Munich absolutely must have. That it is more

difficult for a club like Bayern to develop
players from their own

The same phenomenon was in Leipzig, after the
constant rise in the table, and after the three

regular rise in the table, the youngster could
not run after it so quickly to meet these expectations.

But that's not too much. We'll probably get
to that in the next episode, we'll take a closer

look at Leipzig. But back to Bayern, we've heard
that Musiala and Stanisic are the first to

slide into the squad after a certain period
of absence. How are you dealing with these

guys? When do you say they are far enough? When
is it better to let them play in the new generation,

because it's already a step? The first point
is to communicate a lot with the player, but

also with the people around him. The people
behind the player are advisors, parents, things

to explain. It's always like this that the advisors
want it as quickly as possible, so that the

players get their work hours. I think as a coach
it's a... It's extremely important to give

the player the chance to realize when he's ready
to bring his maximum performance. Because in

Bundesliga or professional football, professional
sports in general, there is an extreme interest

behind it. And everyone tries to evaluate you,
whether it's in the media or your friends or

in social media, where a lot is written. And
if you get in too early as a coach player,

even though it's not that far yet, you can also
break a lot very quickly. Although you might

think it's good and say, now play, now I throw
you in the cold water.

But you have to think about the first day of
the game. The player has to have the skills

and the mental strength to perform as well as
possible. It's never guaranteed, but you have

to be nervous. Of course, extreme emotions,
because you sacrifice a lot in your youth.

And when the first move comes, you're nervous
and tense. But as a coach, it's not just a

responsibility to throw in a player, but also
to choose the right time. And I think we have

that with Stani. Hansi has already played against
the Union. Now he plays a lot more with me.

We got it right. We have a few more players
at the back who have not been mentioned now.

They will certainly get jobs in the future,
but it's always a good way to weigh it. In

the end, the playing time is very, very important.
must be able to perform at maximum. But basically

a clear goal, a task, to improve the area again,
after not having increased much in the last

few years. Jochen Weiss and all the other members
of the NLZ know that I am a coach who gives

his all and has clear opinions and makes clear
decisions regarding how it works in the future.

Not how they have to play, how they have to
train. And secondly, the coaches who are all

very capable are allowed to decide for themselves.
But I already have a clear picture of what

we need in Munich in the future. And I will
say that. that we just need an intermediate.

We'll give you a very simple example. There
are young players at Leipzig who come from

other clubs who have already played 150 first
league games, Euroleague or Champions League.

And there are players who are playing for me
at the moment, who have seven third league

games. Plus the squad quality is even higher,
which means that the step that Ralf just explained

is to be one of the selected 20. And that's
why we have to make decisions. That's a statistic,

right? These are the current players in the
squad of the Bundesliga players. You're in

the midfield. Yes, I think that's okay for Bayern
Munich that we're in the midfield. We probably

won't come to one, because we have other demands
and the step is sometimes too big. But you

can make a lot of strategic decisions to increase
the number. I don't think we have to have that

demand. to be in first place. There are other
clubs that need more and where it fits better.

But it's always advisable to try to develop
players from this region with the identification

with fans. You can't leave out the whole topic,
which was also an extreme strength of Bayern

Munich. It's not always about training players
for your own team. That's a very important

point. It's also about financing certain parts
of the company through training. But it's also

about being happy when the player, as I just
read, changes to Cologne and becomes a professional

footballer. is a merit of an NHL. And if you've
watched it before...

In the Bundesliga squad, there was at least
one Bayern Munich player from the youth. If

that's the case again in the future, Jochen
and his team have done an outstanding job.

It's not easy for us to develop players. There
will be one player per year, if at all. We

don't need to tell the blue sky. But it's a
great success and a striving goal to train

for other teams. I think that will be particularly
exciting for us in the course of the next episodes,

because the differences will also be worked
out in that area. We saw Cologne, but also

Dortmund. We want to dedicate that to another
episode of Decoded. So what is the philosophy?

Maybe we should focus more on the future, because
it's a different basic requirement. We can

work that out. We have a structural problem
in Germany regarding the young generation.

The second teams are allowed to play in the
third league. Even now, we only have two clubs

that are represented in the third league. Dortmund
and Freiburg, which all got up in the summer.

Last season, I think it was only FC Bayern who
was the only club in the third league. We all

know from experience, Julian is one of ten current
Bundesliga clubs.

We all know how important it is that players
can play at the highest possible level at any

time. The earlier they get into men's football,
the better. It is important that they play

men's football with 17 years of age. That's
why it's no coincidence that countries like

Portugal, with clubs like Porto, with Pica,
with Sporting or Salzburg, for example, are

delivering the second team. who produce top
players in such a large number of games. Because

they actually play with a U18 in the second
league of Austria, or with a U19. That means

these players are already collecting experience
in men's football much earlier. And that is

certainly a structural problem that we have
in Germany. I think we can do it. Two more

pieces, this one and then our very last one.
And then the mosaic is complete. Now I have

to slowly see where it fits. I'll say here.
Hold the rest tight. That's nice. That has

to fit in here now. Okay, now watch out. Oha!
I'll do it here first, then you push the game

philosophy even closer. It wobbles. It wobbles,
yes, but only here on the picture, not in real

life. So, what are we doing now? Go ahead, go
ahead. Yes? There we are not quite ready. Now,

now. Oh yes, oh yes. A little bit more, up and
warm. Oh, that's going to work. Very good.

You are on edge. Not bad. It works. So, one
piece is still missing and we really don't

want to forget that. Because of course one thing
belongs to every club. You, the fans. And that

is the last part of Decoded Bayern Munich. I
was just pulling because he was so long in

the line. He thought about the answer for a
long time. That's a complete speculation. We've

been in the stadium for almost a year and a
half. We're happy about every voice we hear.

There may be a lot of people who are not fans
of FC Bayern Munich, but the fact is that there

are also a lot of people in this world who are
really fans of FC Bayern Munich. No club has

so many members. Julian, what kind of dimension
does it feel as a coach? I think if you sign

the contract and then, the day after, maybe
you move back to the public space, then you

can see that Bayern Munich is of course drawing
extreme interest. That a lot of people talk

about it, not just Bayern Munich fans, but also
others who address you and the scope of the

job for Bayern is different from other clubs.
And then of course the relationship from the

club to the fans, from the fans to the club,
also very exciting to evaluate. What were your

observations, Raif? You often played in the
Allianz Arena as an opponent. I didn't let

the statistics show how successful you were.
But this fan environment of FC Bayern Munich,

in the not-so-old arena, what are your first
thoughts? Yes, on the one hand it is, at least

before Corona, and if it is possible again at
some point, it is probably also after Corona

that the stadium was almost always sold out.
There was almost a kind of fan tourism there.

The fans don't all come from Bavaria or the
region, but they come from everywhere in Germany.

They try to secure a ticket somewhere, sometimes
from abroad. And that's fascinating, such a

big stadium, no matter against which opponent,
There are other clubs like Dortmund or Schalke,

but not Schalke. But there are hardly any other
clubs. Michel Markulescu has looked at the

fan culture of Bayern.

There is always something to celebrate in this
club. And if it's not the pandemic, there are

always enough to cheer them on. The 2005 stadium
rebuild, the 2006 World Cup, a catalyst for

a rapid growth at FC Bayern. The number of members
has since almost tripled. Almost 300,000 in

the club, over 350,000 in fan clubs. They are
the number one. We had a vision, unlike many

others. We knew what we wanted and it was always
our dream to have our own stadium. The arena

has been filled with fireworks almost always
until the Corona outbreak. with a heterogeneous

audience. For example, those who travel from
all over the world, from shopping malls that

are not yet saturated.

Or those who are always there, the all-terrain
drivers, the ultras, those who set their lives

up for the club, who are heard all over the
world.

and often ask for everyone to get in the mood
at home and that the club always creates the

conditions for it. We, the fans, the figure
skaters and the South Kofi can only coexist

if we put the club in the foreground together.
The relationship with the most loyal is difficult.

Some are too fiery, too critical, too uncomfortable.
Then there are also collective penalties or

recently house prohibition because of an unregistered
ban on monday games. Previously, maximum escalation

with a quasi-game break because of a pre-announced
protest against Dietmar Hopp. I am deeply ashamed,

from the point of view of FC Bayern, for these
cowards. It's the ugly face of football. And

yet they all need the quiet and lucrative consumers
all over the globe. And this loud and disputable

fan scene. With fans who win anti-racism prizes,
who work up the Jewish history of the club.

club for self-marketing. They were always there,
even if there was nothing to celebrate.

The ultras are not in the stadium at the moment.
They are slowly coming back to the FC Bayern.

They are currently missing them. We said we
wanted to show it on time. We have to talk

about the fact that there are some spectators
who are now finding a certain mood. How do

you see this as a coach? It was very quiet in
the stadium for almost a year and a half. We

are happy about every voice we hear. I was not
a Bayern coach when the stadium was sold out.

I was there from other clubs. It was always
great atmosphere. In the games, all the spectators

were loud. We are all very happy that we are
allowed to watch the stadium. And when it gets

really crowded again, it's even more emotional.
Because the ultras are not there at the moment,

but other fans have said, we will talk to someone
just like that. The chairman of the Bayern

fan club Rot Hosen. We have looked to go back
to the topic critically. Fortunately, we have

Sophie Kimmel. I ask myself this very provocatively.
Who is not in the mood without the ultras in

the stadium? Currently, we have the problem
due to the decreased capacity in Munich. I

have been to the stadium twice myself. At home
games. that they are missing. They are not

represented for whatever reason. Of course,
you try one or the other and then there is

a loudness. But it is also often very quiet.
This is due to the 25,000 who are only allowed

in. Sometimes a bit crazy. But on the other
hand, of course, because the Ultras are missing

on the other hand. But I also don't know if
FC Bayern did a good job in moving to the Allianz

Arena to divide the South and North curves.
What power do fans have? I don't know if everything

would have been the same in the Corona crisis
if fans had been in the stadium. For example?

If you're already starting like that, I'll have
to ask again. No, I don't know if a... Hansi

Flick in front of the audience, whether he would
have liked the decision to leave FC Bayern

that easily. Maybe he would have jumped over
the bar and maybe one or the other Techtl-Mechtl

would have been less strongly rated. That was
for everyone who is a FC Bayern fan the 9 plus

Ultra that he achieved. Who knows if it would
have gone on like this. How do you rate Julian

Nagelsmann?

So...

I would say he fits FC Bayern 100% because he
seems incredibly authentic. He is very wordy

and what he tells always makes sense. You can
understand it and I think he is absolutely

the right man at the right time and the right
successor for Hansi Flick. He likes to hear

that, I guess. I was just joking because you
were hesitating for so long. He thought about

the answer for a long time. But in the end it
was good. But he speaks something. I mean,

we're moving in the speculative area now. But
can you imagine, Ralf, that Hansi Flick's decision

would have been different if the fans had made
it possible in the stadium, if they had made

it possible, with spokesmen and everyone else,
that they wouldn't let him go?

That's a complete speculation. I don't think
it would have changed anything. But at least

he would have been fired before 70,000 fans.
That also applies to many other clubs and other

people in other clubs. That's one of the reasons
why it's so sad. But I don't think it would

have affected Hansi Flix's decision.

We don't want to speculate, we need facts. We
collected a lot of them today. I can say thank

you now, but we still have the very last stage
ahead of us. So, the last piece of the puzzle.

It's on its way to the goal.

I've already tried everything in my head before
and it actually seems to hold. Es ist also

vollbracht! The mosaic is finished. This is
how he settles down, FC Bayern Munich. I can

say thank you Julian Nagelsmann. My pleasure.
It was a lot of fun. Ralf, I hope you too.

Did you imagine it? Yes, I thought it was great.
Just how you built it up with the studio is

really great. And I'm looking forward to the
next show. Yes, there will be a lot more. So

these are the Bayerns. Of course, you have to
say there are still a lot of very small puzzle

parts that we couldn't talk about now, but I
couldn't have used them. that we have done

this and say thank you for being with us. Look
forward to the next episodes when it's called

Decoded with Ralf Rangnick again.