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- Here's this boy saying,

"my grandmother shot me.
Help me."

And the dispatcher was trying
to reassure him

That help was on the way.

- There's a pause.

- And then you hear more shots.

- As a dispatcher
were still connected,

West bloomfield township police
showed up.

- We have one of the dashcams
from officer tash's car.

As he gets out of the car,
you can see him duck

Because they were hearing
gunshots within the house.

Officer lamb could see
someone moving across

Through a picture window
towards the door.

He gave verbal commands
to place any weapons down

And to come out
with her hands up.

Then he makes contact
with the shooter,

Who was eventually identified
as sandra layne.

Laid at her feet

Is the firearm used
during the shooting.

And then immediately,
she said,

"I murdered my grandson."

- When officers got
to the condo,

74-year-old sandra layne
was inside.

And she remarked to them that,

"I think I just murdered
my grandson."

- She said it
more than a few times.

- It wasn't screaming.
It wasn't wailing.

It was pretty matter of fact,

"I think I just murdered
my grandson."

- Police ask sandra layne
why she shot her grandson,

But she's confused, in shock,
and doesn't respond.

At 5:35 p.M.,
approximately two minutes

After the police arrive
on the scene,

Officers cuff sandra layne
and put her in the car

While they begin their search
for the victim,

Who sandra identifies
as her 17-year-old grandson

Jonathan hoffman.

- The initial entrance
into the house was,

Um, chilling.

The house was almost filled
with a haze or a smoke

From a gun fired
multiple times.

When the officers make their
way upstairs to the loft,

They find jonathan hoffman
laid out on the ground

Face down in a pair
of gym shorts, socks only,

With multiple gunshot wounds
to the upper torso.

Given the amount of blood,

They can't believe that he has
a faint pulse.

So he is immediately
transported to the hospital.

- While jonathan hoffman
is rushed to the hospital,

The condo is secured
for evidence retrieval.

- This was a pretty extensive
crime scene

In my experience,
in that you had

A three-level residence.

Nearly every room had
some blood in it.

The bloodstain patterns
indicate actions

And direction and location

Of where people may have
traveled throughout the scene.

There were footprints
that led down the stairs

And in the basement.

The more they're mobile,

The more blood
you typically see.

- There were
ten bullet casings

Scattered throughout
the house.

The drywall was shot.

There was a gun case
and ammunition

Found on two different floors.

- Everything,
including sandra,

Is photographed.

While sandra is
in the patrol car,

Officers try to gather
information from her.

But she is in such hysterics

That she can't provide them
with clear answers.

- Officers said that
ms. Layne was upset

She shot her grandson.

She cried.

- While the police continue
to try

And get answers
from sandra layne,

Her husband and jonathan's
step-grandfather,

Fred layne, returns home.

Fred tells police he couldn't
have been gone even an hour.

- Fred layne was not
in the house at the time.

Sandra had told him to go
and take their dog for a walk.

- When he came back,
fred was shocked.

He was unaware that
sandra had shot jonathan.

Police discovered jonathan's
parents moved to arizona

And left him here,

Supposedly to finish
high school.

And that's why he was living
with his grandmother.

At 6:02 p.M.,

Jonathan loses the fight
for his life

And is pronounced dead
on arrival at the hospital.

Now police have
the difficult task

Of alerting jonathan's family,

Who are currently living
in arizona,

That he's been killed

And that the admitted shooter
is his grandmother.

Jonathan's mother
and sandra's daughter,

Jennifer,
is in complete shock.

- I'm like, what? Why?

If you're a parent,
can you imagine hearing that?

It plays over in your head
a lot.

Nobody would ever think

Their parent is gonna kill
their grandchild.

Grandmothers are supposed
to love

And cherish their grandkids.

He was my first child,

And now he's gone.

- Two hours
after the 911 call,

Investigators continued to
collect evidence at the scene.

In the meantime,
as a precaution

Due to sandra's advanced age,

She's taken to the hospital
for an evaluation

Under the watchful eye
of police officers.

And she finally
starts talking.

- In the emergency room,

She told police that
he did not hurt her,

That he was a good boy;

He wouldn't have hurt anyone.

- So why would
sandra layne fatally shoot

Her 17-year-old grandson?

How did it get to that point?

- Sandra layne is
medically cleared,

And just after midnight,

Transported to
the police station.

But before continuing
her conversation

With investigators,
she meets with her lawyer,

Jerry sabbota.

- She's fragile, she's scared,
and she's upset.

And she feels
tremendous sorrow.

This was a case that
was extremely different

From the run-of-the-mill,
because you're not talking

About a robbery
where there's a shooting.

You're not talking
about a situation

Where somebody hired someone
to kill somebody.

This was a grandmother
alleged to have shot

And killed her grandson.

I couldn't fathom it because
I had nice relationships

With my grandmothers.

And so what could cause her
to react this way?

- At the station,
with her lawyer

And investigators present,
sandra tells a new story,

And it differs wildly from
what she said at the hospital.

- Sandra now claimed
jonathan attacked her,

That there had been a struggle.

- She said they got
into some type of beef.

And it wasn't just
a disagreement.

There was yelling,
and there was screaming.

"and he kicked me
in the abdomen.

"I feared for my life.
I feared for my safety.

So I got the gun."

Jonathan wasn't big at all,

But he was still bigger
than sandra layne.

And for
a 74-year-old grandmother,

That gun...

It was the equalizer.

- Because there were
no witnesses

Other than sandra layne,

The police had a challenge.

- Because sandra is now
claiming self-defense,

Investigators have to be sure
that they're not throwing

A frail 74-year-old
grandmother into a jail cell,

Especially if she was
defending herself

From a horrible attack.

The police take a closer look

At the photos taken
at the scene.

- Multiple photos were taken
of sandra--

Of her hands, her face,
her arms.

And there was no sign
of any violence

That had been done to her,

Not even a scratch.

Here's an elderly woman
claiming self-defense.

But in a self-defense
situation,

There would be signs
of a struggle.

- Maybe, just maybe,

Jonathan hoffman wasn't
the aggressor.

Maybe, just maybe,
you are not looking

At a typical
74-year-old grandmother.

- People tended
to blame the parents.

- My whole family sided
with her.

- Jonathan had
substance abuse issues.

- Sandra layne was
afraid of him.

- She felt it's
kill or be killed.

- Two days after claiming
to have killed her grandson,

Jonathan hoffman,
in self-defense,

Sandra layne is arraigned
in district court.

Police and the court are not
buying her self-defense plea,

And she's held without bond.

- Sandra layne was saying
jonathan threatened her,

And he kicked her
in the abdomen,

And that she feared
for her safety,

And she was protecting herself.

- While she sits in jail

Awaiting
her preliminary hearing,

Prosecutor paul walton starts
looking at the evidence

And putting together
the state's case

That sandra committed murder.

- The case first came
on my radar

The day that it happened.

Any time that we had
a homicide

That occurred
in oakland county,

It required
the warrants officer

To contact me directly.

- Paul walton
and everyone on his team

Begin to look
into sandra's character.

- Sandra layne was
a typical grandmother.

She got her hair done
at the salon every week.

- The kind of grandmother
that you would expect

To bake apple pies, wear
an apron around the kitchen.

- She was affluent.

She was active
in her synagogue.

- She taught school.

She did volunteer work.

And she was a nice person.

- Sandra had a very close
relationship with jonathan,

And she just did not fit
the profile at all

Of somebody that would
kill her grandson.

- Police are perplexed
as to why a grandmother,

Who was such a pillar
of her community,

Would commit
such a heinous crime.

So they shift their focus

To learning more
about the victim, jonathan,

From the people
who knew him best,

His friends and family.

- Jonathan was born in 1994.

Becoming a mother was exciting

And challenging
at the same time.

I took him everywhere--

The grocery store,
every errand.

He was just always by my side.

He was three
when I had jessica.

- Jonathan was a good kid.

We cared a lot for each other.

We would spend
a lot of time together

At my grandma's house because
my parents argued incessantly.

- Michael and I divorced
in 2008,

And he wanted to move
to arizona

With jonathan and jessica.

I didn't want to go,

But I just wanted
to be with my kids.

- The entire hoffman family
moved to arizona

During jonathan's senior year
in high school.

But life in arizona takes
a distressing turn.

- Immediately upon arrival,

Jessica got sick.

- I quickly discovered
that it was a brain tumor.

- The next day,
they got her into surgery

To remove the brain tumor.

So I never went back home.

I was just in the hospital
for a month.

I slept on
that little bed there.

And with everything going on
with jessica's illness,

Jonathan felt abandoned.

He really needed the security

Of his friends,
familiar surroundings.

So my mother said
he could stay at her condo

Back in michigan.

I told her, are you sure
you can handle it?

And she's like,
"oh, he's a good boy.

I can handle it.
He's a good boy."

My children loved my mother.

She was a good grandmother.

And I was with jessica
every day.

So I did what any other person
would do in that situation.

I sent him home
with my parents.

- After less than a month
in arizona,

Jonathan moves in with sandra
and her husband, fred layne,

Midway through
his senior year.

- When he had moved
back to michigan,

He had some really close
friends,

And he took right back up
with them.

- Jonathan hoffman was a weird
but, like, cool kid.

He was, like, my best friend
as far as the person

That you would go to for
a laugh, you wanted to vent.

He may have his shy moments,

But he was friends
with everybody.

And he was one of those people
that he just tried anything

Until, you know,
it just was too crazy.

But I was just happy to, like,
have him back at home.

- Once jennifer felt her
daughter was medically stable,

She went to visit jonathan
at her mother's in michigan.

- It had been a month
since I had seen jonathan.

So I went, and I stayed
for over two weeks.

And it was really good
to see him.

And he was happy.

But he was smoking weed.

And I said,
okay, he's just growing up.

- It wasn't, like,
pcp or anything like--

Like, heroin
or anything extreme like that.

But that was a huge thing
in high school.

- After learning of jonathan's
drug use from his mother,

Investigators dig deeper

And discover
that he has a record.

- One day,
he was driving at night,

And the cops pull him over
and found weed.

So he was on probation.

But jonathan got stopped
by the police again,

And they found an adderall
in the car.

- In sandra layne's statements

To investigators
and her lawyer,

She outlines jonathan's
behavior at the time.

- Sandra layne described him
as a kid

Who was having anger issues.

- He would come and go
late at night.

He had friends come over.
Property was taken.

- The defense team discovered
the day of the shooting

Was not the first time police
had come to the layne home.

There was an incident
a few weeks prior

Where jonathan's behavior
became so erratic

That sandra called 911.

- According to
the grandmother's attorney,

When police arrived at the home
in this gated community,

Jonathan hoffman was outside
and he was out of control.

He was calling his own mother
obscene names,

Yelling at his grandmother,
yelling at the police.

- The only reason
they didn't arrest him

Was because
she begged them not to.

- Sandra tells her defense
team and investigators

That all these instances
compelled her

To buy a gun
for her own safety.

- She didn't buy the gun
with the intention to hurt him.

She was afraid of him.

- Finally,
according to sandra,

That contentious relationship
came to a head on may 18th.

- Ms. Layne took him
to the probation department

Because he hasn't been
in compliance.

He doesn't like the idea
that he's gonna get violated,

Because a violation can mean,
at that time,

That you go to jail.

She then takes him home.

He told her he needed money,
and he told her

He was gonna take the car
without permission

Because he thought
that if he could leave,

Everything would be fine.

- In sandra's telling,

That's when jonathan
attacked her

And she had to shoot him
in self-defense.

But prosecutor
paul walton believes

The 911 call contradicts
her claim.

- We're gonna listen
to the 911 call,

Which I felt was
the most compelling piece

Of evidence in this case.

- Jonathan calls 911
at 5:27 p.M.

At 5:29 p.M...

The dispatcher hears
more shots.

- For
2 minutes and 51 seconds,

Sandra layne has had
the opportunity

To consider what she's doing.

- He could barely speak.

It seemed unimaginable
that he was doing

Anything threatening
at that point.

And then she came up
and shot him again.

- But the defense asserts
that jonathan continues

To be a threat to sandra

Even after he's been shot
multiple times.

- Even if you shoot someone
like that,

The person can still
be a danger.

- There was silence
for a while,

And then you hear
her screaming,

"let go, let go, let go"

About a dozen times.

And she felt it's
kill or be killed.

- Although sandra is afraid
for her own life,

The defense says what happens
next on the 911 call

Shows her true character.

- That says that she loves
her grandson

And that she did not want
the shooting to occur.

She was a nice person,

And she was taking care
of a troubled child

That the parents didn't want
to take care of.

- You want me to tell you
what I really think?

- After killing her grandson,

Sandra layne sits in jail
awaiting her trial.

- I wanted to talk to her.

I wanted to say, what happened?

Like, I wanted to know
what happened.

But she was put in jail
right away,

So I never talked to her.

- Even though jennifer is not
able to speak to her mother,

She continues to communicate
with investigators

And the prosecution team
to give them

The full scope
of her family's past.

- This is my first time
actually sitting down

And telling my story.

I grew up
in oak park, michigan,

Right outside of detroit.

We were
a highly dysfunctional family.

My parents argued a lot,

And my mother

Was physically abusive
at times.

My dad was not home a lot.

He was always "traveling."

And my mother was controlling

And had rages.

And then one day,
my dad just left

And never came back.

About a couple of years later,
she did remarry.

When my mother married fred,

It was actually nice
to have a father figure

For the first time in my life.

Fred was so nice.

And I had never seen
my mom so happy.

And the arguing did stop,

Until I started having kids.

And then she became
controlling again,

Especially when I had jonathan.

She became obsessed,
almost to the point of,

Like, she wanted to kidnap him
and just take him.

But even though
she and I were at odds,

My children loved sandra.

- My grandma took a lot of time
and energy helping raise us.

She was a huge part

Of our lives growing up.

Her house just made me feel
really safe and comfortable.

And I just had great times
with her.

- So when jonathan wanted
to go back home,

I depended on
the family I had.

Never in a million years
did I think she would kill him.

So it wasn't even
in my universe.

- It's difficult
for anyone to believe

That sandra is capable
of murder,

And the west bloomfield
community rallies around her.

- The community's reaction
was unusual and unexpected.

The comments were,
"he deserved it."

"let's get these drug-using
kids out of our community."

"go, granny, go."

I think people saw her

As a frail, old,
vulnerable woman

And jonathan as some kind
of monster.

- Along with
the community support,

Most of sandra's family,
aside from jonathan's parents,

Stands beside her and accepts
her story of self-defense.

- Fred was upset.

He could not believe
she was being prosecuted.

He supported her
throughout the whole process.

He loved her.

- Fred listened
to everything she said.

It was total control.

And my whole family sided
with her.

It was awful.

- A month after
jonathan's death,

Autopsy reports are released.

- Manner of death is ruled
as a homicide.

And cause of death was
multiple gunshot wounds.

- Those gunshot wounds had
various degrees of stippling,

Which leads one to believe that
there were differing distances

That the firearm was
in relation to the victim.

- The steps that she took
in her hunt against jonathan

Shows that she intended
to kill.

- The cause of death
and manner of death

Are not a surprise,

But the toxicology report
casts new light on the case,

Possibly showing that sandra
was justified in her actions.

- The lab reports
showed jonathan

Was taking synthetic marijuana,
called spice.

- At the time
in which jonathan was shot,

There was a drug called k2.

They called it spice,
synthetic marijuana.

And it was becoming
more and more popular

Among teenagers
and young adults.

You could buy it in the gas
stations and the party stores,

And you didn't need an id
to buy it.

So as a parent,
you might not think much of it

Until news started popping up

That there was violence
associated with it.

People were now doing things
that were totally unlike them.

- About a month
before jonathan was killed,

There was another murder
in the area,

Which is highly unusual.

- Police say
a verbal confrontation ended

With 19-year-old
tucker cipriano

And his accomplice
beating tucker's dad,

Robert cipriano,
to death with a baseball bat.

- He was on the synthetic drug
also known as spice.

- The boy who committed
the murder,

Michael cipriano, went to
the same school jonathan did.

And when jonathan's autopsy
showed spice in his system,

That kind of fueled talk
that jonathan was using

The same drugs and was likely
to do the same thing.

- Sandra knew about the spice,

And she had conversations
with the probation officer

Because she was afraid
of the way he was acting out.

- Jonathan did have a temper,

And he couldn't really
control his emotions.

- Sources say the teen victim
was on k2,

And his grandmother feared his
resulting violent behavior.

- So maybe it could have
really been

My brother who hurt my grandma.

- At the circuit court
arraignment,

Two months after her arrest,

Prosecutors charged
sandra layne

With possession of a firearm
in the commission of a felony,

As well as a unique indictment
called open murder,

Which is only in effect in two
states, nevada and michigan.

- Open murder is a statutory
murder charge that incorporates

Both first-degree
premeditated murder

And second-degree murder.

- Paul walton is worried
that the jurors won't want

To convict a grandmother
of premeditated murder,

So they give the jury options,

A strategy that doesn't
sit well with the defense.

- When they charge
open murder,

The prosecutor's shirking
their responsibility

Because they're not making
the call.

They're putting it on a jury.

- After almost a year in jail

Awaiting the slow wheels
of the justice system to turn,

Sandra layne's trial begins.

- The grandmother on trial
for murder right now.

- She's accused of killing
17-year-old jonathan hoffman.

- It made national news,

And people tended
to blame the parents.

- People were contacting me
through facebook,

Sending horrible messages like,

"the punk deserved to die,"

"he was thinking
he was a gangsta,"

"you deserve to die because
you're a terrible mother,"

"how could you send your son
to live with his grandparents?"

- As the trial kicks off,

There are two facts
which are undisputed.

Jonathan hoffman is dead,

And his grandmother
killed him.

Now the jury will hear
all the evidence

And decide if sandra was
acting in self-defense

Or if she committed
cold-blooded murder.

- For the defense,
it's important for the jury

To see this little lady
sitting there

With her graying hair.

They see her rocking
back and forth.

But prosecutor paul walton had
to put a face on the victim

So that the jury was
not just looking

At that vulnerable
grandmotherly type

Who walked in the courtroom
with her slight frame.

- After opening statements,

The prosecution begins making
their case by demonstrating

That sandra's claim that there
was a struggle is false.

- This is a photograph
of sandra layne at the scene

Shortly after her arrest.

If you notice on her clothes,
there's no rips.

There's no tears.

There's no damage
to the front of it.

And although there's
blood on her hands,

There does not appear
to be any injuries.

What is also important is that
she is wearing jewelry.

I would expect this particular
bracelet to be ripped

And beads to be found
inside the house.

I would expect damage
to her glasses.

I would expect her hair
to look different.

And none of those signs
were there.

- Now that paul walton
has established

That a struggle was unlikely,
he turns his focus

To the 9-millimeter gun
used in the shooting.

- Jonathan hoffman's blood
is found on the magazine

In the butt of the gun.

- That would indicate,

After bloodshed happened...

Someone took the magazine out,

Reloaded,
put the magazine back in

To transfer that blood
inside the gun...

and shoot again.

- There was also evidence
that sandra layne

Had gone into the basement
to find additional ammunition

After the shooting started
because her bloody footprints

Were found and documented
across the cement floor.

- The footprints going down
the basement stairs

Belonged to sandra layne,

But the blood belongs
to jonathan hoffman,

Which means
he was already shot

When she made her way
downstairs for more ammo.

- Michigan has
a stand-your-ground law,

Which means that if you're
in your own house,

You don't have to leave
your house.

She had shot jonathan.

And then she goes back
and she reloads

Because he can still
be a danger.

- Prosecutors wonder,
if sandra was so frightened

Of her grandson,
why was she home alone

With him in the first place?

Paul walton and his team
questioned fred layne,

Sandra's husband of 30 years

And jonathan's
step-grandfather.

- Prior to the shooting,
fred layne was told

By sandra layne
to get out of the house,

And that was a very vital
piece of information

For the prosecution
to make a demonstration

That there was
an intent to kill.

- I heard the sirens,

The fire department
and the police,

And I thought to myself,
I hope it's not john.

- It makes you think,

She couldn't shoot him
with fred there.

He would try to stop it.

- Fred's testimony
also reveals that perhaps

He didn't know his wife
as well as he thought.

- Did you know
that your wife had

A permit to purchase a gun?

- No.

- Did you know that
your wife had, in fact,

Prior to may 18th of 2012,
purchased a gun?

- No.

- She paid cash for the gun

And did not tell her husband.

And the word he used was,

He was flabbergasted.

- A gun is a major purchase.

A gun is something
you talk about.

You wonder what other secrets

May have been going on
in that condo.

- She was in fear of her life,

And the fear just
doesn't go away.

- She became very defensive.

- Did you know that
your wife had gone

To a shooting range
and practiced shooting?

- The verdict completely
surprises you.

- Sandra layne's husband and
jonathan's step-grandfather,

Fred layne, is testifying
that he had no idea

His wife bought
a 9-millimeter glock

Shortly before the shooting.

- Sandra took concerted efforts
to get a weapon,

And she actually began
the process of target practice.

- Did you know that your wife
had gone to a shooting range

To practice shooting?

- No.

- I think learning
about the gun devastated fred.

They had been together
more than 30 years.

So fred still believed

Jonathan was threatening
his grandmother,

And that sandra acted
in self-defense.

- She wouldn't tell me
all the problems

That she was having with john.

Because if she did, I'd say,
send him back to his parents.

- Once the prosecutors rest
their case,

Sandra layne's attorney
begins the process

Of telling her side
of the story.

- I had to establish
self-defense.

I had to establish to a jury

That there was a confrontation
with jonathan,

And that sandra would suffer
serious bodily injury or harm

If she didn't react.

- The defense decides
that the best person

To explain what happened
that day is sandra layne,

So they call her to the stand.

- It's always risky when
your client takes the stand.

Because a lot of times,
you'll take the stand

And you'll make
the prosecution's case.

But they're always curious

When a defendant doesn't
take the stand, right?

They think the defendant
has something to hide.

- Jerry sabbota wants sandra
to explain

What it was like
living with jonathan

In the months prior
to the shooting.

- Sandra also testified that
she did not like the friends

That jonathan was
hanging out with.

- Teenagers come in and out,

And they have their friends
come in and out.

And you never know
who that friend really is

Until it's too late.

Sandra was
a loving grandmother

That unfortunately killed
her grandchild.

The evidence was
that she bought the gun

After stuff ended up missing

And people were coming
in and out of the house late.

- For the defense attorney,
painting jonathan

As this troubled, violent,
juiced-up-on-drugs kid

Was important
for their self-defense case.

- At the time of the shooting,

Jonathan was on probation
for drugs.

And the probation officer was
talking about violating him.

So he was worried that he was
going to get locked up.

- She knew about the spice,
and she was scared.

There was the confrontation.

He came at her, and then

There's the first set
of shots.

And then she reloads,
supposedly,

And comes back
and shoots again.

Everybody's second-guessing
the behavior,

But these things
happen quickly.

The emotion just
doesn't go away.

And the fear just
doesn't go away.

- Now it's prosecutor
paul walton's turn

To cross-examine sandra layne.

- When sandra layne presented
on the stand,

There were two sandra laynes.

There was the sandra layne
on direct by jerry sabbota,

Crying at
the appropriate times.

But the cross-examination
of sandra layne

Was to address the assertions
of self-defense

And how it is not supported.

And she became
very, very defensive.

And then she gave us the gem
of all gems in her statement.

- Under cross-examination,
sandra makes a statement

That stuns everyone sitting
in the courtroom.

- She said that
she grabbed the gun

Because she just wanted him
to listen--

Not that she was
in fear of him,

That she wanted him to listen.

- There was not a sound
in that courtroom.

- When I heard that my grandma
said she wanted him to listen,

It was very shocking to me

Because it sounded so violent.

And I didn't imagine that
she could have been violent.

- But for sandra's daughter,
this was no great revelation.

- It's not surprising
that she would react

In such a volatile manner

Because she couldn't
control him.

She was not gonna be defeated
by jonathan.

- Prosecutor paul walton has
one last claim to dispute,

And it's what the defense
team has continually used

To show that
jonathan was dangerous,

The toxicology report.

- There was spice found,
but it was found in the urine,

Which is important
because that means

That it was not actively
influencing him at that point.

It has been metabolically
eliminated from the body.

- Which means he was not high
on it at the time.

It had already basically gone
through most of his system.

- Closing arguments
are underway

In the sandra layne trial.

- Sandra layne rocked back
and forth in her seat.

Soon, her fate will be
in the hands of the jury.

- After ten intense days,

The prosecution and defense
rest their case,

And the jury is instructed
to begin deliberations.

- As a reporter,
there are always courtrooms

And trials that
you're involved in that

You're sure of which way
it's gonna turn out.

And then the jury
or a judge comes back

With a verdict that
completely surprises you.

- After two days
of deliberations,

The jury tells the judge
they have reached a verdict.

- Sandra was found guilty
of second-degree murder

And use of a firearm during
the commission of a felony.

- When they were reading
the verdict, I was so happy.

And it was the first time
sandra ever looked at me.

She would not make eye contact
to me through the whole trial.

And she slowly turned her head

And leered at me.

It was, like, a scowl,

And sinister.

- The jurors spoke very loudly
with their verdict.

And that is,
violence is not the response,

No matter who you are,

That it is not to go
purchase a gun

And hunt down your grandson.

- They didn't see
a 74-year-old grandmother.

They saw a murder suspect.

- You give a 74-year-old woman

20 years
for second-degree murder,

What do you give her?

You give her life, don't you?

So who wins? Nobody.

- Life in prison for sandra?

She's probably loving it.

She gets to exercise.

She gets fed every day.

They have programs
where you can garden.

I think she's actually going
to live out her sentence.

I think she's going
to be alive at 95.

But my son is dead.

- If I could say anything
to my grandma,

I'd like her to know that
even though you made a mistake,

You're still family,
and I do still love you.

- This case affected me
more than any of the others

Because she was a grandmother
that put herself

In a really bad situation.

And I thought about
my grandmother a lot.

- Saddest part of this case
is that a 17-year-old boy

Is murdered at the beginning
of his life

Because his grandmother wanted
to control his life.

- He wasn't given a chance
to make something of hisself,

Graduate high school,
get married, have grandkids.

He never got to live.

She took that away from him.