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How old are you?
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A child from the Ukraine
who was adopted by
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a married couple here
in the US,
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what happens after that
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will make your head
burst into flame.
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Is this a child
or a grown woman?
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Bruh, this documentary
is unhinged as hell.
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It's called The Curious Case
of Natalia Grace.
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The Curious Case
of Natalia Grace.
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It is shocking.
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More than
10 million people watched.
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I have never watched
a documentary this good.
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This story captured
the imagination of the world.
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Oh, my God. I'm blown away.
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Whoa. I am shooketh.
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She was gonna kill everybody.
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She's evil.
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You've adopted a kid
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and now
they're trying to kill you.
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I mean, it's the stuff
of a horror movie, right?
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Like a serial killer
or something.
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Kristine tried to set me up
with Natalia.
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She was an adult.
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Natalia was a child.
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Is it true? Is it not?
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We don't know.
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Definitely not
an area of town
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that I would let my kids
walk around unattended.
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He's not the kind of guy
that could do well
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if he had to go to prison.
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I couldn't!
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I just couldn't.
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What a creepy guy.
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Who does that with
his daughter?
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Eight months later,
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the world is unified
in one thing.
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They want to hear
from Natalia.
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They don't know that
there's 100% one villain here.
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There were all these
pieces to a puzzle
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that we couldn't quite
put together.
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Natalia was a victim.
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The Barnetts
are the predators.
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[man 2] Kristine trying
to beat the truth out of her.
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That was what
broke my heart the most.
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Just when you think
you have it solved,
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you find out you don't.
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[man 3]
The story just got crazier.
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[man 4] You might
not like the truth.
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The Barnetts tried to paint me
as this big monster.
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They claimed
I'm lying about my age.
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I was six years old
when they adopted me.
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but the Barnetts did
a petition to change my age
to 22 years old.
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I literally lost my childhood.
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When the verdict
was handed down for Michael
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and they said, "Not guilty,"
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and he looked at us
and he smirked...
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it was like watching
my daughter be raped.
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There was no justice served.
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If I could've
caught Kristine in an alley
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and put a black hoodie on,
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I would have busted her
upside the head.
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There are things
I'm gonna tell you
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that you have not heard
from anyone else yet.
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Michael and Kristine
are cowards.
They're heartless cowards.
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That's not love. That's hate.
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Sometimes the truth
is crazier than fiction.
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She knew that she couldn't
"give the kid back."
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She's a little girl.
She's not a car.
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Many of these questions,
there's not gonna be
a single answer to,
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there's gonna be
a lot of answers to.
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What I'm about to show you
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will be definitive as to
how old Natalia was.
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Her DNA
has all the answers.
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I was never in y'all's room
with a knife.
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I know what I saw.
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In every lie,
is a hidden truth.
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But you gotta dig enough
to be able to see it.
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They're not gonna
get away with this.
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This is my side of the story.
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Do I look like
a monster to you?
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There has been so much time
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that I've been just trying
to figure out who I am.
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I have no idea.
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Because, right now, this is
like a 1,000-piece puzzle
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and I think I have like maybe
only 300 pieces together.
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I want you to know
how old I am.
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I want you to know
about my past,
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because I wanna know too.
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It's very fuzzy.
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Like, there's a lot of things
that I remember,
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but like I can't picture it.
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So I want the puzzle
to be complete.
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But the things that Kristine
and Michael have said
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that I've done
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is a lie.
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It was all copied off
the movie Orphan.
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Ukrainian girl, Russian girl.
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Check.
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Orphan. Check.
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All this crazy stuff,
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standing at the end of the bed
with a knife.
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Check.
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That's why I wanna do this.
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That's why I wanna tell people
what really happened,
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because I didn't get
that chance.
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Michael and Kristine
are painting me
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as this homicidal maniac.
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"She was eating her period.
And she hid it for this long.
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And having pubic hair at
seven years old,
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like, don't trust her. Don't
believe anything she says.
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She's trying
to murder my family,"
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and this, that and the third.
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But then you're gonna
come into that apartment
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that y'all dropped my off in
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and pretty much
try to murder me.
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I just want people to
know the truth.
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I'm Bishop Antwon Mans.
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And I am Natalia's dad.
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We started taking in children.
We wanted to adopt
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because there was a lot of
children who need a family,
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who don't have a family.
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I'm Cynthia Mans.
I love being a mom.
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I have literally 11 children.
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And I'm Natalia Grace's mom.
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I've been with the
Mans family for over 10 years.
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You can see my life
the way it is.
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A lot of love.
Great.
- Thank you.
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I finally have
parents that love me
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more than Kristine and Michael
ever did.
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My dad and my mom,
they let me be a kid.
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My dad protects me.
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He does what a dad
is supposed to do.
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My mom
gives me hugs every day
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and tells me
how much she loves me.
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And never once
have they had to worry
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about me hurting their kids.
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I have siblings that love me.
You can see that they love me
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and that I love them.
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Hi!
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Hi. Oh, hi!
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Hi.
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There's no— Oh, hi.
Oh, my gosh.
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She has been a light
to our family.
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She has brought so much joy.
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But when Natalia came
into our family,
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she was broken.
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Love in the name of Jesus.
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We plead the blood of Jesus...
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And we're trying
to pick up her pieces
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from her being shattered
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by what Kristine and Michael
did to her.
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We pray, God, that
the truth will be revealed.
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Hallelujah.
Thank you, Jesus.
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I'm Beth Karas. I'm a former
prosecutor in New York City
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and also a legal analyst.
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In my experience,
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this is one of
the most twisted cases
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I've ever seen.
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This story is very different
from anything I've covered.
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Usually, I'm doing stories
that have to do with murder
and mayhem.
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And this has no murder,
but it has a lot of mayhem,
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and a lot of it.
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I mean, it's like a ping pong.
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It's just going in
one direction to another
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as new information
comes to light.
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Especially now that Natalia
is able to speak to us.
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And, today,
it seems pretty clear
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that Natalia has the family
she's always wanted,
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the Manses.
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But that wasn't
always the case.
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'Cause back in 2013,
the Barnetts relocated Natalia
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to Tippecanoe County
as are-aged adult.
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So she's living there
on her own.
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At an adult learning center,
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Natalia gets the attention
of the faculty and staff
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because it's
an adult learning center,
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but she's kind of childlike.
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So they call the police.
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This is what led the current
Sheriff of Tippecanoe County,
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Bob Goldsmith,
but then a detective,
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to get involved in
the investigation of Natalia.
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I'm Bob Goldsmith. I'm the
Sheriff of Tippecanoe County.
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In our Detective Division,
I was the first detective
involved.
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People talk about a case
that's kind of like
a defining moment,
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the one they'll never forget.
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This is one of those cases.
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It was in September, 2014,
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when I received a phone call
from Excel Center.
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They said they had
a young lady that had came in,
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was enrolled in school,
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and things just
weren't adding up.
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She said this young lady
has an Indiana ID
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that says she's like
22 years old,
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twenty-five years old
or something like that,
they said.
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But the conversations she has,
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you'd think she's like
maybe 11.
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I've been around people
with special needs
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throughout my career,
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but nobody like Natalia.
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When she walked in,
her backpack was bigger
than she was.
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And she was very, very short.
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And she climbed right up in
the chair and started talking.
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I asked her if she—
"Do you think you're
25 years old?"
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And she said, "No."
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I remember
we got in the car,
we both have kids,
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and we're just like, "There's
no way she's that old."
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Some people, they have
commented that it's an act.
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What's your take
on Natalia acting?
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In all the interactions that
me and you had with Natalia
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at the Excel Center and here,
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even watching her
in the lobby,
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she always acted
like a little child.
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She played
like a little child.
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She talked
like a little child.
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If she's acting,
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she never broke it
that we could see.
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I know at one point,
I asked Natalia,
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um, if she had been abused.
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And she kind of
closed up on me.
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She quit talking.
She got silent.
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You could tell
she was uncomfortable.
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I don't know if that's
physical abuse, sexual,
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I have no idea.
But I wasn't gonna pry.
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Um, I learned through
the training
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and having interviewed
several kids
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and working these cases
over the years,
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it's not gonna
do any good to pry.
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Um, when a child's ready
to tell their story,
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they'll tell it.
So I just left it alone.
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Knowing what I know,
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I don't think
justice has been served.
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But what I do believe
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is that Natalia's in a place
where's she's happy now,
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and she feels safe,
and she feels loved.
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And that's what she said
she wanted.
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I don't know.
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No.
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Because Natalia
had been telling everybody,
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therapists, doctors, us,
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um, that she was a grown-up.
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It's true that
I told everybody
that I'm 22 years old.
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But...
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Kristine literally
trained me to lie.
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And—
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that's what makes it worse,
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the fact that it had to
come from me
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and...
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they could use that
against me,
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like, "Oh, but you said it."
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You said that you was
22 years old.
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And then they changed my age.
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That whole thing was just
a big chain reaction
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from one lie.
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But people don't know
what happened in that house.
255
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They tortured me.
256
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I was abused.
257
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Kristine is the real monster.
258
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Michael is an accomplice
to the monster...
259
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because he went along with
everything that Kristine said.
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Who does that?
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Changing my age
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is the worst thing that
the Barnetts ever did to me.
263
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It hurts every single day.
264
00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:36,070
But I was so terrified
of Kristine.
265
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When she told me
to tell people
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that I was 22 years old,
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that's what I did.
268
00:13:41,270 --> 00:13:44,270
One time, Kristine told me,
she was like,
269
00:13:44,270 --> 00:13:47,640
"I'm gonna show you
what it's gonna feel like.
270
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If you do something wrong,
I'ma pepper spray you."
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Kristine told me
to keep my eyes open.
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And then she just
pepper sprayed me.
273
00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:04,170
And I couldn't
do anything about it.
274
00:14:06,270 --> 00:14:10,340
She literally made me sit
there for like ten minutes.
275
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Until I could finally go
wash it out.
276
00:14:17,430 --> 00:14:19,460
And, even then,
it still hurt.
277
00:14:20,670 --> 00:14:22,540
And she didn't care.
278
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She didn't care.
279
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It just really hurt...
280
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because she was supposed
to be my mom.
281
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,630
But she didn't
act like a mom to me.
282
00:15:03,070 --> 00:15:05,000
Kristine was going
to push the envelope
283
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as far as she could
to try to break Natalia.
284
00:15:08,170 --> 00:15:11,000
So Kristine starts putting
words in Natalia's mouth.
285
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,570
"This is what you tell people.
This is what you say.
286
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You're 22."
287
00:15:16,270 --> 00:15:18,070
And the threat of
being pepper sprayed
288
00:15:18,070 --> 00:15:20,870
was just another
control mechanism.
289
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:24,070
The abuse against Natalia
didn't start immediately.
290
00:15:25,570 --> 00:15:28,940
But the Barnetts' attempt
to control the narrative did.
291
00:15:30,670 --> 00:15:33,570
Looking back to 2010,
292
00:15:33,570 --> 00:15:35,540
something just wasn't right.
293
00:15:37,070 --> 00:15:38,370
And you've gotta understand
294
00:15:38,430 --> 00:15:39,730
with it being
a closed adoption,
295
00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:43,060
the adoption agency
was not willing to share
any details of her
296
00:15:43,070 --> 00:15:44,370
when we asked them originally,
297
00:15:44,370 --> 00:15:46,270
"Can you help give us
contact information
298
00:15:46,270 --> 00:15:47,370
for her old family.
299
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:49,960
We have got to find out
what's going on here."
300
00:15:50,030 --> 00:15:51,660
They said, "No, we can't."
301
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:54,470
And then I got a phone call
from the secretary
of the adoption agency
302
00:15:54,530 --> 00:15:56,460
a little bit later that day.
303
00:15:56,470 --> 00:16:00,840
And she said, "I can't
tell you where she's from.
304
00:16:01,470 --> 00:16:03,340
But check her luggage closer."
305
00:16:04,770 --> 00:16:07,570
There was a little ID tag
inside of her bag
306
00:16:07,570 --> 00:16:09,170
when we adopted her
307
00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:11,870
that had the original
family's information on it.
308
00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:14,170
I have never
met them in person.
309
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,770
I have no idea
why they would say
310
00:16:16,770 --> 00:16:19,070
they never met the Ciccones
311
00:16:19,130 --> 00:16:21,830
when they literally met them
at the adoption agency.
312
00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:25,270
Like, I remember
having to wait
313
00:16:25,270 --> 00:16:27,070
for who knows how long
314
00:16:27,130 --> 00:16:29,360
while the Ciccones
talked to the Barnetts.
315
00:16:29,370 --> 00:16:31,770
Like, that's literally
like how I remember it,
316
00:16:31,770 --> 00:16:33,470
like plain as day.
317
00:16:33,470 --> 00:16:34,540
So...
318
00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:37,730
I don't understand that.
319
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,970
The Ciccones were the first
family that ever adopted me
from the Ukraine.
320
00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:47,270
I remember find out that
they were gonna adopt me
321
00:16:47,270 --> 00:16:49,670
and I was so excited
322
00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:53,660
because all I've ever known
was being in that orphanage.
323
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:57,370
And then just to find out that
someone is gonna adopt me
324
00:16:57,370 --> 00:17:00,170
was just
an awesome thing for me.
325
00:17:00,230 --> 00:17:01,660
Like, I was so excited.
326
00:17:01,670 --> 00:17:04,000
I was happy that I was
finally gonna have a family
327
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,630
that actually wanted to— me.
328
00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:12,370
When we finally like pulled up
into their big driveway,
329
00:17:12,430 --> 00:17:14,060
like it was a hill.
330
00:17:14,130 --> 00:17:16,460
And I was just like, "Whoa."
331
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:20,170
Like, I remember
my 5-year-old self
being so excited
332
00:17:20,170 --> 00:17:21,840
'cause it was a big house.
333
00:17:22,170 --> 00:17:23,470
Once we got in,
334
00:17:23,470 --> 00:17:25,740
I literally like
just looked everywhere.
335
00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:30,070
And then they opened a door
336
00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:32,530
and through that door
was my bedroom.
337
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,670
And I was so excited
it was pink.
338
00:17:36,730 --> 00:17:40,230
And it was just like
there was everything in there.
339
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:47,340
I was with them
for about two years.
340
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:51,270
But, yeah, there was
a lot of good memories there.
341
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:54,740
But then it was like
after a while, like...
342
00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:57,870
everything kind of changed.
343
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,970
One time, me and
the little boy, Buro,
344
00:18:07,030 --> 00:18:08,460
we were just playing.
345
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,830
I landed on Buro's arm wrong.
346
00:18:12,970 --> 00:18:14,870
And I just kept saying,
"I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
347
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:16,270
I didn't mean to hurt you."
348
00:18:16,270 --> 00:18:20,670
But then Gary came in
and he just started yelling.
349
00:18:20,730 --> 00:18:22,660
And then,
as he was walking away,
350
00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:24,360
I was crying and I was mad,
351
00:18:24,370 --> 00:18:25,940
I said, "I hate you."
352
00:18:29,770 --> 00:18:33,570
After that,
Gary, I guess,
353
00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:36,570
like, he didn't like
me anymore,
354
00:18:36,570 --> 00:18:37,470
like, that's what I felt,
355
00:18:37,530 --> 00:18:38,560
like, it felt like
he hated me.
356
00:18:42,370 --> 00:18:47,370
Then one day, I remember
Dyan coming in my room,
357
00:18:47,370 --> 00:18:49,770
she told me,
she was like,
358
00:18:49,770 --> 00:18:52,070
"I'm not gonna be
your mom anymore,
359
00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:54,860
but I will always love you."
360
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:58,140
And, like, I didn't know
what was going on.
361
00:18:59,670 --> 00:19:02,170
I felt like I was abandoned
most of the time
362
00:19:02,170 --> 00:19:05,370
because I bounced around from
so many different families.
363
00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:09,170
Dyan Ciccone had gone to
the Little People of America
364
00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:13,960
and said, "This little girl
is available for adoption."
365
00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:18,470
There were three little people
couples interested in Natalia,
366
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:20,370
but none of them
had worked out.
367
00:19:21,470 --> 00:19:23,070
Gary and Dyan,
368
00:19:23,070 --> 00:19:27,570
they passed me
around from families,
and I met a bunch,
369
00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:29,470
but they didn't
wanna adopt me,
370
00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:32,160
or something happened.
371
00:19:32,170 --> 00:19:34,270
And then all of a sudden,
she told me that
372
00:19:34,270 --> 00:19:37,240
they found a family
that wanted me.
373
00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:41,170
And that's
where we were going,
we were going to Florida.
374
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,170
It makes me mad
375
00:19:49,170 --> 00:19:51,970
because I pretty
much got sold,
376
00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:54,870
like I'm some toy!
377
00:19:57,870 --> 00:20:01,070
When the Ciccones took me
to the adoption agency,
378
00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:03,160
I remember being told to just
379
00:20:03,170 --> 00:20:05,170
sit outside the room
380
00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:07,070
and just wait.
381
00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:09,100
And the Ciccones
went in first
382
00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:13,470
and talked
to Michael and Kristine
and the three boys.
383
00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:17,170
I remember waiting
for a while, like,
I felt like a long time.
384
00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:20,000
Finally, the Ciccones
came out, and it was like,
385
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,270
"You can come in now."
386
00:20:21,330 --> 00:20:25,860
And I remember running up to
Michael and giving him a hug,
387
00:20:25,930 --> 00:20:27,060
and I called him Daddy,
388
00:20:27,130 --> 00:20:29,860
'cause the Ciccones
told me that
389
00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:32,870
Michael and Kristine
were gonna be my parents.
390
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:35,870
I think it was Kristine
who told me, she was like,
391
00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:38,470
"We're gonna be
your family now,"
392
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:42,770
and I remember still being
very sad and very confused.
393
00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:45,070
I believe I cried too.
394
00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:47,670
She was like, "It's okay."
395
00:20:47,670 --> 00:20:50,970
They acted like they wanted
me to be their daughter.
396
00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:54,440
So all I thought was just,
"I've found my family.
397
00:20:55,770 --> 00:20:58,470
They're gonna love me."
398
00:20:58,470 --> 00:21:01,440
But thinking back on it...
399
00:21:02,670 --> 00:21:05,970
I think I trusted
them too fast.
400
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:16,770
My name is Jackie Starbuck.
401
00:21:16,770 --> 00:21:22,840
I was the lead
deputy prosecutor on the
State versus Barnett cases.
402
00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:25,770
There are things
I'm gonna tell you
403
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:27,760
that you probably
have not heard
404
00:21:27,770 --> 00:21:29,170
from anyone else yet
405
00:21:29,230 --> 00:21:30,660
that are part of the truth.
406
00:21:30,670 --> 00:21:35,570
As we were conducting
this investigation and talking
to witnesses,
407
00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:38,760
it was clear that there
was something going on
408
00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:42,070
that was unusual,
to say the least.
409
00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:48,560
From the time that Natalia
came to the Barnetts
410
00:21:48,570 --> 00:21:50,670
in April of 2010,
411
00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:52,860
there continued to be
a pattern of saying,
412
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:56,170
"Well, we don't know
how old Natalia is.
413
00:21:56,170 --> 00:21:59,670
We think she's this age.
We think she's an adult."
414
00:21:59,670 --> 00:22:02,470
When in fact,
they had been told repeatedly
415
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:05,670
by multiple
medical professionals
416
00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:07,260
that that wasn't the case.
417
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:11,570
They were working to hide,
really, that they ever had
any connection with Natalia,
418
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:12,760
'cause they also
claimed that
419
00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:15,870
they didn't have
any records at all
420
00:22:15,870 --> 00:22:18,870
about Natalia's
prior medical history,
421
00:22:18,930 --> 00:22:21,660
and yet, they were providing
to the school system
422
00:22:21,670 --> 00:22:25,040
medical records from
before she was with them.
423
00:22:26,370 --> 00:22:28,100
Michael lied
when he said
424
00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,370
he never met
the Ciccones,
425
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:32,460
and he lied when he said
this was a closed adoption.
426
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:36,100
A closed adoption,
by definition, means
427
00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,870
no information about
or contact with
428
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:40,340
the prior family.
429
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,170
Not only do we have
Natalia's account
430
00:22:44,170 --> 00:22:46,170
of the Ciccones
and Barnetts meeting
431
00:22:46,170 --> 00:22:47,870
at Adoption by Shepherd Care,
432
00:22:47,870 --> 00:22:49,870
but we have email exchanges
433
00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:51,270
between the Barnetts
434
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:52,470
and the Ciccones.
435
00:22:54,370 --> 00:22:58,270
And these email
exchanges included
436
00:22:58,330 --> 00:23:01,560
the executive director
of Adoption by Shepherd Care.
437
00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:03,760
They were talking
to both families.
438
00:23:05,070 --> 00:23:07,370
There were also
signed contracts.
439
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,070
And the Ciccones
440
00:23:10,130 --> 00:23:11,260
and Barnetts were involved
441
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:12,560
in a legal proceeding
442
00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:13,770
within a few months
443
00:23:13,770 --> 00:23:15,870
of picking up Natalia
in Florida,
444
00:23:15,870 --> 00:23:17,170
because there
were complications
445
00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:18,560
with the adoption.
446
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:21,060
But for some reason,
Michael hid this fact.
447
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:26,770
And he led us
to believe that
448
00:23:26,830 --> 00:23:30,160
Adoption by Shepherd Care
was the sole adoption agency
449
00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:32,170
brokering the adoption
of Natalia,
450
00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:33,770
but that's not true.
451
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:36,770
We get this phone call
out of the blue
452
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:38,370
from Adoption
by Shepherd Care.
453
00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:39,970
We get this phone call
454
00:23:40,030 --> 00:23:41,760
from Adoption
by Shepherd Care.
455
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:45,560
I have nobody to trust
except for the experts
involved, in this case,
456
00:23:45,570 --> 00:23:48,070
it's gonna be
Adoption by Shepherd Care.
457
00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:51,560
But Gateway Woods
was their adoption agency.
458
00:23:51,570 --> 00:23:54,270
Michael never mentions
Gateway Woods.
459
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:55,940
Why not?
460
00:23:58,470 --> 00:24:00,070
And I remember,
461
00:24:00,070 --> 00:24:01,870
after we left
the adoption agency,
462
00:24:01,870 --> 00:24:03,470
we went to Disney World.
463
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,170
And I remember
seeing the Ciccones
464
00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:08,770
and I remember
pointing them out.
465
00:24:08,770 --> 00:24:10,870
I was like, "Hey, it's Mom."
466
00:24:10,930 --> 00:24:14,460
And then Kristine was like,
"That's not your mom anymore.
467
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:15,770
I'm your mom now."
468
00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:17,170
And I was like, "Oh."
469
00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:19,670
Like, I didn't really know
what to say to that.
470
00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:23,060
I was worried, like, "I hope
I don't do something wrong."
471
00:24:23,770 --> 00:24:25,670
We get to the hotel that night
472
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:29,630
and Kristine's going to give
our brand-new daughter a bath,
473
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:32,640
and I hear a shout
from the bathroom.
474
00:24:34,670 --> 00:24:37,770
She says,
"Michael, look down."
475
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:39,830
And Natalia
had full pubic hair.
476
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,470
The first night,
Kristine gave me a bath,
477
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:48,170
and, like, she never
mentioned anything to me
478
00:24:48,170 --> 00:24:51,470
about pubic hair or anything
like that. Like, I didn't
479
00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:53,060
know what that even was.
480
00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:54,870
Like, nobody explained
anything like that to me.
481
00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:58,000
I was six, about to be seven,
like, I didn't know.
482
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,230
I don't know why
they said what they've said.
483
00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:06,770
I don't remember Michael
ever coming into the bathroom.
484
00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:08,360
I, like, honestly, I don't.
485
00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:10,670
Like, I just remember Kristine
just helping me get dressed,
486
00:25:10,670 --> 00:25:13,070
and then we were just
getting ready to go to bed.
487
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:16,470
I don't remember her, like,
calling Michael or anything
488
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:19,100
like that, I don't remember
Kristine doing any of that.
489
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,970
I just don't understand
why the Barnetts
490
00:25:22,030 --> 00:25:24,860
would say that
I have pubic hair
491
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:27,270
or anything like that,
492
00:25:27,330 --> 00:25:32,260
because literally, like,
I didn't start noticing
any hair, and so I was, like,
493
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:33,830
seven, almost eight.
494
00:25:35,770 --> 00:25:38,540
But that doesn't mean
that I'm this big monster.
495
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,070
I was still a kid, like...
496
00:25:42,370 --> 00:25:45,470
Look, some kids start early.
497
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:47,570
You know, that's just,
that's what happens.
498
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,470
Regardless of what
happened in that hotel room,
499
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:57,360
we do know that
that event did not trigger
500
00:25:57,370 --> 00:25:59,770
any desire
on the part of the Barnetts
501
00:25:59,770 --> 00:26:01,070
to return Natalia.
502
00:26:01,070 --> 00:26:04,270
Was this horror story
by the Barnetts
503
00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:07,170
in the Florida hotel room
about massive amounts
504
00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:09,660
of pubic hair really
revisionist history
505
00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:14,840
as justification for re-aging
her years later?
506
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,770
Now that Natalia
is able to speak to us,
507
00:26:17,770 --> 00:26:19,370
we have more information,
508
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:20,760
and some of that information
509
00:26:20,830 --> 00:26:24,160
includes the Gateway Woods'
reports on home visits
510
00:26:24,170 --> 00:26:28,770
and Dr. Riggs' report.
We did not have these before.
511
00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:31,970
And this is how
we learned the fact
512
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:34,670
that the Barnetts were
represented by Gateway Woods
513
00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:37,370
during the adoption
of Natalia.
514
00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:40,570
Natalia was seen
by a Dr. Riggs,
515
00:26:40,570 --> 00:26:42,370
an endocrinologist,
516
00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:45,860
on June 3rd, 2010.
517
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:49,370
What age was he saying
that Natalia was?
518
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:52,570
Okay, so here we go,
this was the 3rd of 2010.
519
00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:57,570
So at that time, she was at
the age of 9 to 11 years old.
520
00:26:57,570 --> 00:27:01,470
And did you tell the parents
this directly?
521
00:27:01,470 --> 00:27:03,170
Yes,
oh, yeah, mmm-hmm.
522
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:06,430
They were informed that
we felt that she was a child.
523
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,100
So this is, like, five weeks
524
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:14,370
after she enters
the Barnett household.
525
00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:17,340
They knew right away
she was a child.
526
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,670
Michael had to distance
himself from Dr. Riggs
and his report
527
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:28,560
because the doctor
specifically told him
528
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:32,260
that Natalia was a child
between the ages of 9 and 11.
529
00:27:32,270 --> 00:27:34,870
He also had to distance
himself from Gateway Woods
530
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:38,000
because Gateway Woods
incorporated this information
531
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,570
in their report.
532
00:27:40,570 --> 00:27:42,870
Is that why Michael led
everyone to believe that
533
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:45,740
Adoption by Shepherd Care
was his agency?
534
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,970
By leading others to believe
that the adoption was closed,
535
00:27:50,030 --> 00:27:52,160
Michael guaranteed
that few would question
536
00:27:52,170 --> 00:27:54,870
his story about the adoption.
537
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:57,570
We know now
this is not true.
538
00:27:58,770 --> 00:28:01,470
But it made
a great cover story.
539
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:04,570
Everything could have been
so different for Natalia
540
00:28:04,570 --> 00:28:09,240
if she had been adopted
by one of the families
she met before the Barnetts.
541
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:20,170
We are the DePauls.
- It's not a toy.
542
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:21,530
- No.
543
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,530
Woohoo!
544
00:28:24,770 --> 00:28:28,070
As far as Natalia's age,
she was a child.
545
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:31,540
You like? Ooh.
You finish that.
546
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:38,330
We think the Barnetts
should be in jail,
both of them.
547
00:28:39,170 --> 00:28:41,570
We attempted
to adopt Natalia
548
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:43,940
back in, uh, 2009.
549
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,270
- We set up
a private meeting...
- We—
550
00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:49,770
- ... really, at a museum.
- A museum, right? Yeah.
551
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:53,430
Her adoptive mother
at the time, uh, brought her.
552
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:56,670
She came in.
What a cute kid.
553
00:28:56,670 --> 00:28:58,270
Oh, my gosh.
She was adorable.
554
00:28:58,270 --> 00:28:59,670
So cute.
Absolutely.
555
00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:02,070
We had Mackenzie
already, our daughter,
556
00:29:02,130 --> 00:29:03,560
and she was four.
557
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:06,160
We actually have pictures
of Mackenzie and her
558
00:29:06,170 --> 00:29:09,170
on this scooter together,
and they were just like
long-lost sisters.
559
00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:11,670
Like two peas
in a pod, it was really nice.
560
00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:14,170
And we had two
subsequent visits.
561
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:17,100
Halloween,
and they were both
princesses that year.
562
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,870
They got ready
for bed together,
they did everything.
563
00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:21,870
Helped each
other blow dry their hair.
Yeah.
564
00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:24,000
And then Mackenzie
had a little car.
565
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,370
Just adorable
four and six-year-old
playing in the yard.
566
00:29:27,370 --> 00:29:30,270
We were hopeful that it was
gonna move forward, and, uh—
567
00:29:30,330 --> 00:29:32,560
Um, yeah, like, it felt
like a bomb got dropped,
568
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:36,960
and then we weren't able
to see Natalia again
after the last visit
569
00:29:37,030 --> 00:29:40,160
over Christmas because things
just got really messy,
570
00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:41,470
uh, with the attorneys.
571
00:29:41,530 --> 00:29:44,560
You know, it had nothing
to do with Natalia.
572
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:46,860
- It was heartbreaking.
- It was very heartbreaking.
573
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:47,970
Ugh.
574
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:50,770
Very, very heartbreaking.
575
00:29:50,770 --> 00:29:54,570
The bond between Natalia
and the DePauls
576
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:57,560
was deep and enduring.
577
00:29:57,570 --> 00:30:00,370
They loved her,
had no problems with her,
578
00:30:00,430 --> 00:30:03,730
they wanted Natalia to be
a member of the family.
579
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,770
I'm sorry, honey.
580
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:09,560
This should have worked out
with the DePauls, right?
581
00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:11,570
But things get complicated
582
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:15,170
when Child Protective Services
in New Hampshire received
583
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:18,860
a report regarding Natalia
and the Ciccones.
584
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:24,170
The Ciccones suspected
the DePauls filed that report.
585
00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:25,770
The DePauls denied it,
586
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:30,460
but it culminated
in Natalia's adoption
being taken off the table.
587
00:30:30,530 --> 00:30:33,160
She was no longer
available to the DePauls.
588
00:30:33,170 --> 00:30:36,870
As you can imagine, this was
heartbreaking for the DePauls
589
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:38,370
and their daughter, Mackenzie,
590
00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:41,140
but also, it was
heartbreaking for Natalia.
591
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:48,170
The DePauls, they were
little people like me,
592
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:51,660
and I used to always
go and visit them.
593
00:30:51,670 --> 00:30:54,940
Um, I was there for Christmas,
594
00:30:55,870 --> 00:31:00,170
Halloween, and Mackenzie
and I were, like,
595
00:31:00,170 --> 00:31:02,870
it felt like we were
best friends.
596
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:04,870
I loved hanging out with her.
597
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:07,870
We did, like, almost
everything together.
598
00:31:07,870 --> 00:31:10,640
Just like how
sisters would be.
599
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,870
I really did wanna stay
with the DePauls,
600
00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:18,070
so I wouldn't have
had to go through the pain
that I went through.
601
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:22,960
I felt like they actually
wanted me and they loved me.
602
00:31:23,030 --> 00:31:26,460
But— And then it was just,
like, I just stopped
seeing them.
603
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,100
And I was sad about that.
604
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,470
I don't know, it was
just a really weird thing,
605
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:33,640
like, I just stopped
seeing them altogether.
606
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:35,840
Oh, yeah.
607
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:41,770
A few months later,
Kristine messaged me,
608
00:31:41,770 --> 00:31:45,870
and she said,
"We adopted Natalia."
609
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:49,260
The first red flag that I saw
with the Barnett family was
610
00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:53,570
they got Natalia
way too quickly,
never even met her.
611
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:55,670
And they just,
basically, that was it.
612
00:31:55,670 --> 00:31:57,070
They just ripped her
out of the family.
613
00:31:57,130 --> 00:31:58,360
That was
kind of shocking to us.
614
00:31:58,370 --> 00:32:00,070
- Should we—
- "Should we make
sure it's a good fit?"
615
00:32:00,070 --> 00:32:01,470
- Yeah.
- "Should we make
sure she likes us?"
616
00:32:01,470 --> 00:32:04,270
"Should we make sure
she's comfortable with us
and our other kids?"
617
00:32:04,270 --> 00:32:09,170
She's a little girl,
she's not a car.
618
00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:14,170
Another thing that felt weird
was Kristine asked me,
619
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:17,370
you know, "Had you ever, um,
questioned Natalia's age?"
620
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:20,070
I said, "I've never once
questioned Natalia's age."
621
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:24,630
I said, "I have
her birth certificate,
I have all of her paperwork."
622
00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:28,670
- Do you remember this?
Yeah.
623
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:30,260
- This was at the museum...
- The museum.
624
00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:31,870
when we first met Natalia.
625
00:32:31,870 --> 00:32:33,770
It was in 2009.
626
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:36,470
And look at her tooth.
627
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:39,070
- See? It's missing, right?
Yeah.
628
00:32:41,070 --> 00:32:46,170
In this picture, you can see
the difference. See the teeth?
629
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:47,660
This one's from Halloween.
630
00:32:47,670 --> 00:32:49,170
Can you see the teeth?
631
00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:54,270
And then this one
is before that.
632
00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:58,260
You could tell the changes,
obviously, in her teeth here.
633
00:32:58,270 --> 00:33:02,970
And adults don't have changes
in their teeth like that.
634
00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:05,170
That happens only
once in your life,
635
00:33:05,170 --> 00:33:07,100
when you're around
six years old,
636
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,570
exactly how old she is...
637
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:10,270
- ... in 2009.
638
00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:12,170
Does that look like
a 20-year-old to you?
639
00:33:12,170 --> 00:33:13,270
I mean, come on.
640
00:33:13,270 --> 00:33:15,770
- I'm sorry,
which is ludicrous.
641
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,870
I remember,
when I was with the Barnetts,
642
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:28,970
we had just got
back from dinner,
643
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:31,170
and my tooth came out.
644
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:33,230
I had a wiggly tooth,
and my tooth came out.
645
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:36,100
Of course, Kristine
didn't believe me.
646
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,170
She said, "Why did
you pull your tooth out?"
647
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:40,760
I said, "I didn't
pull my tooth out."
648
00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:43,860
And there was,
like, a long piece,
649
00:33:43,870 --> 00:33:46,100
like, I guess, like,
almost, like, the root of it,
650
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,670
and she's like, "See,
the root is right there,
you pulled it out.
651
00:33:49,670 --> 00:33:53,170
That wouldn't be there if
your tooth actually fell out."
652
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:56,870
And I didn't know
what to say to that,
653
00:33:56,870 --> 00:34:00,870
but I just kept telling her,
"No, I didn't, I didn't pull
my tooth out, it fell out."
654
00:34:00,930 --> 00:34:03,860
But she just kept telling me,
"You're lying, you pulled
your tooth out."
655
00:34:09,370 --> 00:34:11,270
Ny name is Dr. Tim Gossweiler,
656
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:16,470
I've been practicing general
dentistry for 34 years,
657
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:18,770
and I am the dentist that,
658
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:20,870
uh, Natalia Barnett
659
00:34:20,870 --> 00:34:21,770
and her mother
660
00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:22,870
came to see in 2011.
661
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:25,470
Mrs. Barnett
brought in Natalia,
662
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:28,870
and was saying,
"We have a question
as to how old Natalia is,
663
00:34:28,870 --> 00:34:30,970
we think she might be older
than what she says she is.
664
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:32,760
Is there a way
you can find out?"
665
00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:35,040
Uh, which is an
unusual request.
666
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,570
Talking to Natalia, she looked
like she was about seven,
667
00:34:40,570 --> 00:34:42,770
but she acted like
she was much older.
668
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:45,370
She was answering
questions articulately.
669
00:34:45,370 --> 00:34:47,770
So at seven years old,
you just don't see
that all the time,
670
00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:51,570
and that's why I thought,
"Well, this girl can't
be seven years old."
671
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:53,760
And I can see how
mom would think that,
672
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:57,340
after talking to her, because
she seemed very mature.
673
00:34:58,270 --> 00:35:01,370
I did ask
how do they know
674
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:05,060
that she's not six
or whatever when they got her?
675
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:07,570
And she's like, "Well,
we had dental records done
676
00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:09,760
on her and the dentist said
677
00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:12,470
that none of her teeth
are baby teeth,
678
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:14,770
they're all adult teeth.
679
00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:18,940
So I was like, "Okay, okay."
680
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,070
This is the room
where we did Natalia's
panoramic X-ray.
681
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:26,660
So what I'm about
to show you
682
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:29,570
will be a definitive
answer as to
683
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:33,060
how old Natalia was in 2011.
684
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:40,000
Yeah, we determined
that she had, uh,
685
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,570
12 baby teeth remaining, uh,
three in each quadrant,
686
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:47,760
so these three teeth right
here, in all the quadrants.
687
00:35:47,830 --> 00:35:50,960
It's very simple to determine
Natalia's age, I mean,
688
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:53,860
there is really no question
when you take an X-ray
like this.
689
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:56,100
You've got baby teeth,
adult teeth,
690
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,970
and there is a range
that you have for someone
691
00:35:59,030 --> 00:36:01,860
who's got this level
of tooth development,
692
00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:05,160
and that's going to be,
going to extremes,
693
00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:07,330
six to nine years old.
694
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:11,170
This is way too many
baby teeth to be an adult.
695
00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:15,460
It's indisputable,
you can't fake teeth
coming in like this.
696
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:18,000
So when mom and Natalia left,
697
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,170
mom knew that Natalia
was around eight or nine,
698
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:25,630
which is right in the range
of what she said that she was.
699
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,670
Oh, her age was ch—
They legally changed her age?
700
00:36:33,730 --> 00:36:36,460
Oh, they tried to—
Oh, I wasn't aware of that.
701
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:37,770
And what was it changed to?
702
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:45,170
Oh, really? Wow.
703
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:47,740
Yeah.
704
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,870
Yeah, that's a big jump.
705
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:55,170
Nothing in the X-ray
that we took that would show
706
00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:57,370
that she could be
anywhere near
707
00:36:57,430 --> 00:37:03,960
15 years older.
Wow, that seems crazy.
708
00:37:03,970 --> 00:37:07,270
So that means
that even after signing
the dental records,
709
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:09,970
Kristine still told people
710
00:37:10,030 --> 00:37:11,630
that Natalia was an adult.
711
00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:14,700
Why?
712
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,670
After the trial
and everything, and all
the records I have,
713
00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:22,960
especially in the
medical records,
714
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:25,860
it all points
to me being a kid.
715
00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:28,370
So I understand
what the truth is.
716
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:31,360
I've known the truth for
as long as I can remember,
717
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:32,870
that I was a kid.
718
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:36,760
But there's a lot of people
who are thinking, like,
719
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:39,170
"There is a way
to tell her age.
720
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:41,840
There is a way to prove it."
721
00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:47,170
I just want people
to just really
722
00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:48,940
see the truth about my age.
723
00:37:59,370 --> 00:38:00,970
TruDiagnostic,
724
00:38:00,970 --> 00:38:02,570
really, we're answering
a fundamental question,
725
00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:03,870
"How old are you?"
726
00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:05,870
In fact, the uses
and the insurance
727
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:08,160
will actually predict when
someone's gonna die, right?
728
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:09,770
And so, if you think
about that world,
729
00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:11,560
this is super important
to be accurate.
730
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,070
What we're trying to determine
731
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:14,660
is someone's
chronological age,
732
00:38:14,730 --> 00:38:16,360
not based off of
anyone's emotions,
733
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:18,260
or what he said or she said.
734
00:38:18,270 --> 00:38:21,170
For Natalia,
we're trying to figure out,
"Well, how old is she?"
735
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:25,740
Ooh.
736
00:38:26,770 --> 00:38:28,540
You ready?
- No, mm.
737
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,000
We're really just taking
a sample of blood,
738
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,870
which has our answers,
because it's in the DNA.
739
00:38:37,930 --> 00:38:40,560
Once we get this sample,
we are very excited
740
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:42,930
to really tie this
entire case together.
741
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,170
I'm praying
for the best for this,
742
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:56,760
but I'm really nervous.
743
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:59,570
Like, I don't know
what they're gonna say.
744
00:38:59,570 --> 00:39:00,870
Thanks for coming to the lab.
745
00:39:00,930 --> 00:39:02,260
Wanna take a look
at the results?
746
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:03,840
Yes.
747
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,100
All right.
748
00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:11,000
All right,
so moment of truth, all right?
749
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,130
Yes.
750
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,430
Based off of all the studies
and everything being analyzed,
751
00:39:17,470 --> 00:39:19,440
you're more closer to 22.
752
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:24,770
Which is pretty close
to what you think,
you're almost 20,
753
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:26,040
that's within two years.
754
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:29,870
Wow.
755
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:36,070
This one little piece of paper
throws every single lie
756
00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:38,660
that the Barnetts have said
right into the trash
757
00:39:39,370 --> 00:39:40,540
with a match.
758
00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:48,370
This is so big,
759
00:39:48,370 --> 00:39:51,870
because literally,
this has been 13 years.
760
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:55,940
Thirteen years of just two
people lying their butts off.
761
00:39:57,570 --> 00:40:00,770
They ruined
a kid's life.
762
00:40:00,830 --> 00:40:04,760
They painted that I'm some
big monster, when in reality,
they were the ones.
763
00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:06,970
You're exactly right.
764
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:11,140
It just proves that
I was not lying about my age.
765
00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:15,970
They ignored everything...
that was
pointing to the truth,
766
00:40:16,030 --> 00:40:18,460
just so they could
create this stupid lie.
767
00:40:31,070 --> 00:40:34,470
So if all of that
is true about her age,
768
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:38,370
that means Natalia came
into the country in 2008
769
00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:39,970
when she was four,
almost five.
770
00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:44,170
Adopted by the Barnetts
in 2010 when she was seven.
771
00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:47,670
Natalia was eight when the
age-change petition was filed,
772
00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:51,560
and was placed in
the apartment in Westfield.
773
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:53,560
In July of 2013,
774
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:56,360
when she was placed
in the Lafayette apartment,
775
00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:57,770
she would have been nine,
776
00:40:57,770 --> 00:41:00,470
a few months shy
of turning ten.
777
00:41:00,470 --> 00:41:03,570
What that means is that
Natalia was a child
778
00:41:03,630 --> 00:41:05,460
living on her own.
779
00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:12,040
I just wanna know,
why create this story?
780
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:17,530
They knew, and they
still did what they did.
781
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,170
Why do this?
782
00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:33,170
Why go through
all of this, for what?
783
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:36,840
The question is, why?
784
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,630
That's the
million-dollar question.
785
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,570
I always knew
I wasn't an adult,
786
00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:46,970
but I never knew
why the Barnetts
787
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:48,430
adopted me.
788
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:53,370
Never once
did I see any love.
789
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,570
I feel like there's
something bigger with this.
790
00:41:57,570 --> 00:41:59,270
I don't know what it is.
791
00:41:59,270 --> 00:42:01,070
How did they shut
these doctors up?
792
00:42:01,130 --> 00:42:03,160
How did they hide
all this evidence?
793
00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:06,240
They are hiding
something big.
794
00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:10,440
And I wanna know the answers
to these questions.
795
00:42:11,470 --> 00:42:14,200
And I want people to pay
for what they have done.57508
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