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Previously on The West Wing:
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This morning's finance report,
8.2 million cash in hand.
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-Ought to buy a few lawn signs.
-And lawns.
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I'm just confused about who the viable
candidate is when Russell's gone.
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I'm gonna win this thing, Toby.
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Get into camo gear,
sling a 12-gauge over your shoulder. . .
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-. . .get a few photos for the AP.
-With a gun?
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You were a Marine.
You can shoot, right?
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Yeah, a 20 mm chain gun,
but it might be hard on the pheasant.
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Don't you actually wanna get
some votes in one of these states?
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When's the last time a politician
answered a question he didn't like?
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-You saying the debate shouldn't matter?
-I'm saying it should be better.
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Look, we're practically teaching
media evasion in kindergarten now.
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"Teacher, the issue isn't whether I
pinched Dorothy during milk and cookies.
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The American people are more concerned
with new nap mats. . .
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. . .and I got a six-point plan. "
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Politicians turn them
into pumpkin-judging contests.
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Oh, yeah. Sometimes, sure.
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But it's also the rules of the game.
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Look, we've got one more debate
before this New Hampshire primary.
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Do we really want
another joint photo op. . .
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. . .another 90-second sound bite
followed by a 60-second sound bite?
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A beauty pageant without beauty?
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I think you're beautiful.
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Maybe I'm working against myself,
but the Dover Herald. . .
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. . .they're announcing their debate
rules. I've been banging on them.
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Let's make it a real debate.
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A debate where all seven Democrats
get to cross-examine each other.
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Where we get to answer questions,
like it or not.
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Politicians never answer questions
they don't like.
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So we hook ourselves up to electrodes.
Crossfire meets Clockwork Orange.
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I don't understand the wooden eggs.
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Politics and Eggs,
that's the name of the forum.
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-You ever tried signing a wooden egg?
-Granite State tradition.
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-Like the actual voting. Your speech?
-What about wooden slices of toast?
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-You get traction with your pen.
-You're doing a modified stump.
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We beefed up the foreign policy
because of these Pakistani nuclear sales.
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-Sound bite's in bold.
-Fine.
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Then you can sign
wooden nuclear reactors.
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I think I should open
with the VP seal joke. Donna?
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It's a hilarious joke that's been
hilarious 147 times, sir.
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-I've never done this forum.
-These people were at other forums.
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Next week they'll be at
the forum on forums.
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They're almost done
with your introduction, sir.
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Okay. I'm gonna open
with the VP seal joke.
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Pound the foreign policy,
you can tell knock-knock jokes.
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Our guest at this morning's Politics
and Eggs, Vice President Bob Russell.
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Thank you, gentlemen. In case
the kitchen staff is wondering. . .
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. . .I like my wooden eggs
sawed in half and scrambled.
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-It is a great pleasure. . . .
-They announced rules for the debate.
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Don't tell me they're doing
this Santos nonsense.
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-Thumb wrestling if you misuse a stat.
-No, pretty thumb-free.
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--the vice president, and I will tell you
what I like best about that seal.
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If you close your left eye and squint
really hard and tilt your head just so. . .
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. . .it reads a lot like
"president of the United States. "
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Trade launch codes
for a seltzer bottle.
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-Vaudeville.
-This is important.
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They're putting the vice president
on-stage with six also-rans.
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-Believe me, this debate isn't important.
-See, that's the thing.
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Every year health-care reform
has been on the national agenda.
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Whether we've passed it or not. . .
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. . .private insurers have kept
their premium increases down.
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So, yeah, it ought to be
part of the debate.
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-Thanks.
-Thank you.
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Any news on this Pakistani
nuclear sale to Nigeria?
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-Pakistan's trying to backpedal.
-We ought to put out some statement.
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No one's asking, but sure.
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We need to lead toward a world that's
free, prosperous and also nuclear-free.
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-That's good.
-Second set starts at 9.
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I have some bad news.
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-How bad?
-Bad.
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The Herald decided to use
old debate rules.
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Russell and Hoynes made
a huge media buy out of Boston.
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Close to 1800
gross ratings points each.
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-Eighteen hundred points?
-It's an ad war.
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An ad apocalypse. I don't know
where they're getting the money. . .
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-. . .but we don't have it.
-We ought to ban ads altogether.
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Screw the First Amendment.
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Well, constitutionality aside,
New Hampshire votes in five days.
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The airwaves are gonna be Russell,
Hoynes and reruns of I Love Lucy.
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We need to change the dynamic,
or we're finished.
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-We need a silver bullet.
-A silver bullet?
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An ad that'll vault us out of the second
tier, turn this campaign on its head.
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-Go deeper into debt.
-No.
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But we can scrape together enough
to buy one minute of prime time.
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One minute against 1800 points?
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One minute that is so gutsy. . .
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. . .so edgy, so different. . .
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. . .that it'll be replayed for free
on every newscast.
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-What's the ad?
-Working on it.
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You go on and buy that airtime.
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Hi. Matt Santos.
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-I'm running for president.
-Hi.
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Anything on the debate rules?
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No interaction, no cross-examination.
It's everything we didn't want.
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-But--
-Debate's gonna be a wash.
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No one's gonna watch. It's--
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Everyone's calling it
The Return of the Seven Dwarves.
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-Two dwarves.
-Seven. The one with the big nose.
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-Gave me nightmares.
-Only Hoynes and Russell.
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They limited it to candidates
polling 20 percent.
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The Herald says
they're the only ones that could win.
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You guys are already working
on that silver bullet, huh?
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If only frontrunners can debate. . .
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. . .why not bar the rest of us
from the ballot altogether?
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If New Hampshire has suddenly
become the Soviet Republic. . .
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-. . .go all the way.
-We're gonna get in this.
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They can't shut two-thirds
of the field out of a debate.
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Oh, come on.
Don't even call it a debate.
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What do voters learn from
90 seconds of canned blather. . .
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. . .followed by 60 seconds of blather?
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Timing, I suppose.
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Look, there's a serious legal argument
to be made here.
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This could be seen as an illegal
contribution to both Hoynes and Russell.
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I know the case law.
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We get a team of election lawyers,
we storm the district court.
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I don't wanna sue my way into this.
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Shame the Herald,
kick up a huge cloud of dust.
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-Maybe the court stops the debate.
-I don't wanna stop it, I wanna get in it.
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The publisher won't meet with us.
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I couldn't get past the copy desk.
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Do you think the vice president
really wants to go. . .
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-. . .mano a mano with John Hoynes?
-No.
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Why elevate the number-two mano
in a crowded field?
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Maybe Russell will meet
the publisher with us.
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Demand a full and fair debate.
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Get Will Bailey on the phone.
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And call that postproduction shop
in Nashua.
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We need them open late.
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We're gonna make a TV ad.
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I got a letter from an 8-year-old girl
in Portsmouth who said, and I quote:
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"You are the greatest
vice president of my time. "
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Now, I'm not making this up.
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Thanks for your time, folks.
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-Have a good day.
-Thank you.
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A two-man debate?
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I told you the Herald was for Hoynes.
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They'll be denouncing me for not
giving him flier miles on Air Force Two.
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-Josh Lyman just called.
-He can have your job.
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Today, I think he'd take it.
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As long as he fakes my signature
on 300 wooden eggs.
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Santos wants you to go to the Herald,
say if all candidates aren't invited. . .
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. . .you'll stay home
and scramble those eggs alone.
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I can't look like I'm ducking Hoynes.
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Stand with Santos, Hoynes looks
like he's ducking the field.
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What about his debate rules?
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We want the seven dwarves to
be able to take direct shots at me?
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You realize you're one of them.
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-There are seven candidates.
-There must have been a head dwarf.
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That'd be Snow White.
Not what we're going for.
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Forget Santos' rules. He'll be grateful
just to get on that stage.
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The more dwarves we have up there. . .
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. . .the smaller John Hoynes
is gonna look.
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Will and I choreographed
this whole meeting.
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-Okay.
-Let Russell do the talking.
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Frontrunner. It should come from him.
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-Fine.
-You can bob your head appreciatively.
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I've been thinking about debate prep.
Hi.
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You were right.
We should bring in someone to help.
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-I'll make some calls.
-I've called already.
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-Who?
-Someone I know from the Hill.
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For performance stuff.
Eye-clicking, things like that.
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-Eye-clicking?
-Yeah, things like that.
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-Mr. Lowell.
-Congressman. Welcome to the Herald.
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-Mr. Vice President.
-Matt.
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You've come a long way
since House Administration.
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The vice president and I served
on the House Administration Committee.
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Siberia of committees.
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Non-binding resolutions
to limit non-binding resolutions.
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-That one was binding.
-Must have been some time ago.
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-Yeah, I think it was back in--
-Two years ago, actually.
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Well, I'll be frank.
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We're five days away from the primary,
two away from the debate.
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No offense,
you're not gonna be the nominee.
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How does it serve the voters
to clutter up the stage?
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I'm sure Fidel Castro would agree.
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Mackey, you're trying to do the right
thing, but it's downright undemocratic.
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My lawyers tell me that it could be
an illegal contribution to the campaigns.
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Without the full field,
I don't think I can participate.
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The people want another debate,
Mr. Vice President.
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I agree.
I was thinking of having my own.
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Invite the full field.
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-Who needs the Dover Herald?
-All seven Democrats.
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Right as rain, Mackey.
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We should also take a minute
to discuss format.
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These can be better, not just bigger.
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We saw what happened
in the New Jersey debates.
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Are we talking about the rules
you proposed?
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Don't we want this to be truly
democratic, with real back-and-forth?
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Each candidate has to answer
the questions. . .
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. . .not just another
seven-stump-speech collision.
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Well, I'm all for mixing it up,
but if we proposed a debate like that. . .
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-. . .no one would agree to it.
-What do you say, Mr. Vice President?
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A real debate, with all of the candidates
truly engaging on the issues.
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-Great.
-Terrific.
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I have to talk to my editorial board,
but I will take it to John Hoynes.
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-Matt.
-Mr. Vice President.
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Thank you very much, Mr. Lowell.
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Who do you think wanted to limit
non-binding resolutions?
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That did go a bit off plan.
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I won't be a punching bag
for Hoynes and Santos. . .
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. . .and every welterweight
who wants a quick tabloid hit.
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-I'll call Mackey and revisit the format.
-I threatened legal action.
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I'll say if they're using Santos' format,
we won't debate.
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You tell him we'll pay
for the debate ourselves.
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Me and Hoynes, Herald rules.
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And no one can say
it's an illegal contribution, anyway.
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Now, I didn't come here to be a guest
lecturer in Matt Santos' etiquette class.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so we're back
to a two-man debate. Thanks.
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You did push the rules business
a little hard.
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I don't know how anyone's helped by us
spewing out poll-tested pablum.
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We're not trying to help anyone,
we're trying to help you.
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Spoken like a true Athenian.
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So I guess we cancel
the debate prep, huh?
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No. Move ahead with it.
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-For a debate we're not even in.
-We have to get in.
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-I got two lawyers working on a brief.
-You're on this illegal contribution jag?
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Even if Russell paid,
he's still using the Herald's name. . .
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. . .getting a mountain of free media.
How is that not illegal?
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I am not taking this to court, Josh.
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We could try the Bob Russell thing.
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Get a bad haircut
and break ties in the Senate?
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-Hold our own debate.
-Me and my mirror.
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We rent the hall
across from the main debate.
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You personally invite
all the other candidates.
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We'd stir up the good-government
groups, editorial writers, local activists.
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Because the Dover Herald doesn't
decide who's a viable candidate. . .
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-. . .for the highest office.
-Frank Capra, eat your heart out.
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-Can we use my debate rules?
-You can use whatever rules you want.
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Just get ready to debate.
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We're gonna run this
in about 600 points.
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Very effective with swing-twos
in the mall test.
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I'm Bob Russell, and I approve this ad.
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In the United States Senate...
236
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...John Hoynes had an 84 percent
NRA voting record.
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Now he claims he'll crack down
on handguns.
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As vice president, Hoynes praised...
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...Pakistan 's defense minister
as a bold thinker.
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So bold he may now be selling
nuclear secrets to Nigeria.
241
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You can 't take America 's side
by taking both sides.
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John Hoynes.
Whose side is he on?
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You sure we should run this?
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Wanna see his ad on your
Colorado mining connections again?
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Hello?
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Matt Santos, for the veep.
247
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He's tied up.
248
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I don't get why our ads are negative.
249
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I get it, but we're the frontrunner.
Do they have to be that negative?
250
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We need to work up some q & a
for the debate.
251
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Wanna grab dinner later?
252
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You're--? Are you asking me to dinner?
253
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-We've had dinner four nights in a row.
-You never asked. We just went.
254
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Who else am I gonna have dinner with?
Everyone else is 14 and irons their jeans.
255
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-Fine.
-Great.
256
00:14:09,782 --> 00:14:13,778
I need one-pagers on domestic policy
and NSC guidance on Pakistan.
257
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Thanks.
258
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So you wanna grab dinner later?
259
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Sure.
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Just set it up like a real debate. Seven
podiums, a table for the moderator.
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When we get to headquarters,
we'll draft a statement.
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-We'll miss debate prep.
-Santos is gonna work. . .
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-. . .with a guy I'm bringing in.
-Smart of you to widen the team.
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Thanks. What we're gonna do. . .
265
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. . .is start a massive
public-relations crusade.
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-Tonight?
-Do you have that list. . .
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-. . .of opinion makers?
-Oh, yeah.
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We're gonna call
every political reporter in this state. . .
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. . .every party leader,
every PTA recording secretary.
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Tell them we're holding our own debate.
The Herald's debate is a sham.
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You really believe anyone's
gonna cover our debate?
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Ours is a Trojan debate.
Won't happen.
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We're gonna turn public opinion
so they let us in the main debate.
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-That'll work?
-lf I wanted your opinion. . .
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. . .I would stick you
in a focus group in southern Missouri.
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-The ad.
-I don't understand that either.
277
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Hey, we're broke, okay?
We can't afford a huge, glitzy ad buy. . .
278
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. . .so we run something feisty, funny,
out of the box.
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Turns our one minute of prime time
into a national sensation.
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Santos on skates, wearing a goalie
outfit, pledging to defend America.
281
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-Closer to the box than that.
-Well, what's the message?
282
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How about our exclusion
from the debates? Let's try that.
283
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What do we do? Film chicken coops and
say they're too chicken to debate us?
284
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I want two volunteers.
I want them in giant chicken suits.
285
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In my office first thing in the morning.
286
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-Chicken suits.
-He's gonna like this?
287
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He's gonna like what keeps him in the
race. But let's not, you know, tell him.
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Feisty.
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Play around with the poultry theme.
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Hi.
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-Hi.
-Little cold for ice cream, isn't it?
292
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I mean, you could have
bought just cream.
293
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I embrace the cold.
294
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-Okay.
-I luxuriate in the cold.
295
00:16:27,838 --> 00:16:30,328
-Can I ask you--?
-I fight cold with more cold.
296
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-What are you doing here?
-I could ask the same. . .
297
00:16:33,175 --> 00:16:36,258
. . .but in your case,
it's more of an existential question.
298
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When I want dark, depressing thoughts
about alienation, I watch cable news.
299
00:16:40,472 --> 00:16:42,179
That's funny.
300
00:16:42,348 --> 00:16:43,925
-You're funny.
-Know what's funny?
301
00:16:44,141 --> 00:16:47,639
You didn't call me before you gave
that speech at the Shorenstein Center.
302
00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:50,976
I run the Women's Majority Fund.
I make hundreds of speeches.
303
00:16:51,146 --> 00:16:52,937
Trashing the entire Democratic field?
304
00:16:53,106 --> 00:16:55,643
Saying we're gonna lose
before we even have a nominee?
305
00:16:55,858 --> 00:16:58,977
-I was throwing down a gauntlet.
-Where I'm from, it's littering.
306
00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:01,108
The field's pathetic.
Not one can take. . .
307
00:17:01,278 --> 00:17:04,693
. . .the Republicans. I called them
the seven dwarves for a reason.
308
00:17:04,864 --> 00:17:07,817
I'm not gonna get into an argument
about whether size matters.
309
00:17:08,408 --> 00:17:11,159
I'm here in the trenches,
running a one-man show. . .
310
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. . .and I'm sick of Democrats
eating their young.
311
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Wash them down with a little
Rocky Road, it's not so bad.
312
00:17:16,831 --> 00:17:20,779
-You haven't told me what you're doing.
-Miss Gardner, your room is ready.
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The simple answer is. . .
314
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. . .prepping Santos for the debate
you haven't gotten him.
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00:17:26,921 --> 00:17:28,795
The existential answer?
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It's tricky stuff, Joshua.
317
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I want you at every Hoynes
and Russell event for 36 hours.
318
00:17:42,099 --> 00:17:44,803
Obviously,
Bob goes to the Russell events. . .
319
00:17:44,976 --> 00:17:46,600
. . .and John the Hoynes.
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You know, Bob, John. . . .
We're making a serious point here.
321
00:17:50,396 --> 00:17:54,559
We're trying to turn public opinion,
so no roughhousing. . .
322
00:17:54,733 --> 00:17:59,310
. . .no tearing down signs,
no excessive flapping of the wings.
323
00:17:59,486 --> 00:18:02,237
Don't lie about what you're doing there.
Don't heckle.
324
00:18:02,446 --> 00:18:05,945
If you get the chance,
you ask humbly and respectfully:
325
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"Are you too chicken
to debate the full field?"
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00:18:10,452 --> 00:18:13,654
On a personal note, thanks for. . . .
327
00:18:14,121 --> 00:18:15,745
You know.
328
00:18:16,415 --> 00:18:19,498
Okay. Let's go out and get them, guys.
329
00:18:19,667 --> 00:18:21,209
No one's accepted our debate.
330
00:18:21,377 --> 00:18:25,373
The Monitor and the Post-Dispatch are
editorializing against the Herald debate.
331
00:18:25,546 --> 00:18:27,372
Two lousy editorials? That's it?
332
00:18:27,589 --> 00:18:30,210
We've been calling everyone.
The nationals won't bite.
333
00:18:30,383 --> 00:18:32,505
I stopped by our debate site,
looks great.
334
00:18:32,718 --> 00:18:34,876
Tell our Potemkin advance team
great work.
335
00:18:35,053 --> 00:18:38,421
The second they post those editorials,
I need pull quotes for the ad.
336
00:18:38,764 --> 00:18:40,720
Why aren't we putting
policy in the ad?
337
00:18:40,890 --> 00:18:43,215
-We got great policy.
-We're trying to get media.
338
00:18:43,392 --> 00:18:47,720
Great policy doesn't give goose bumps
to bored, 55-year-old segment producers.
339
00:18:47,895 --> 00:18:49,437
-As opposed to--?
-Chickens.
340
00:18:49,647 --> 00:18:52,516
-It's a complicated business.
-You have no idea.
341
00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:54,896
You're not gonna believe
who's on the phone.
342
00:18:55,109 --> 00:18:58,358
I feel terrible making you do this
when I'm not even in the debate.
343
00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:02,690
You're not in the Olympics either,
doesn't mean you don't do some sit-ups.
344
00:19:02,864 --> 00:19:06,363
You've coached 50 women congressional
candidates to debate wins. . .
345
00:19:06,534 --> 00:19:08,988
-. . .so there must be some secret.
-There is.
346
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,318
Keep an extra pair of pantyhose
in your purse.
347
00:19:11,495 --> 00:19:15,326
After bombing the way I did in Iowa,
I'm not gonna rule that out.
348
00:19:15,498 --> 00:19:17,325
Congressman, I looked at the tapes.
349
00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:19,373
You're great. You're quotable. . .
350
00:19:19,543 --> 00:19:21,618
. . .cute enough to be
a presidential pinup.
351
00:19:21,794 --> 00:19:23,537
Wait until you see my runway work.
352
00:19:23,754 --> 00:19:25,793
You don't have the presidential voice.
353
00:19:26,006 --> 00:19:28,578
-The presidential voice?
-You don't have it.
354
00:19:28,758 --> 00:19:30,465
And it's a time of global peril. . .
355
00:19:30,676 --> 00:19:33,711
. . .and you're sharing the stage
with two vice presidents.
356
00:19:33,886 --> 00:19:35,629
Or not.
357
00:19:39,057 --> 00:19:41,179
What do you think
of the nationalist gains. . .
358
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:43,342
. . .in the Russian parliamentary
elections?
359
00:19:43,518 --> 00:19:46,968
It ain't the Litchfield City Council,
but Russia makes its own choices.
360
00:19:47,146 --> 00:19:48,723
And in a democracy--
361
00:19:48,939 --> 00:19:50,765
The lamer half
of Jay Leno's monologue.
362
00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:53,513
You're not a House backbencher
trying to get on CNN.
363
00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:56,858
Sobriety, understatement.
Let the words carry the authority.
364
00:19:57,028 --> 00:19:59,981
-A presidential voice.
-Think filling out a suit. . .
365
00:20:00,155 --> 00:20:02,147
-. . .instead of wearing orange--
-Pantyhose.
366
00:20:02,323 --> 00:20:05,323
I was gonna say neckties,
but what the hell.
367
00:20:05,492 --> 00:20:07,401
How's the eye-clicking?
368
00:20:07,577 --> 00:20:09,569
We're still on hosiery.
369
00:20:09,745 --> 00:20:12,366
-I need the congressman for a minute.
-Yeah.
370
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:14,662
Thanks, Amy.
371
00:20:15,166 --> 00:20:16,992
How's the ad?
372
00:20:17,167 --> 00:20:19,538
We'll have something
by prime time tomorrow night.
373
00:20:19,710 --> 00:20:21,833
Look, I'm sorry
I didn't tell you about Amy.
374
00:20:22,004 --> 00:20:24,576
I just got a call from
Hoynes' campaign manager.
375
00:20:24,756 --> 00:20:27,163
-Hoynes wants to meet.
-He wants us in the debate?
376
00:20:27,341 --> 00:20:30,543
I can't imagine why,
but we're getting some good editorials.
377
00:20:30,718 --> 00:20:32,591
Maybe making more hay
than I thought.
378
00:20:32,803 --> 00:20:35,472
-Want me to come?
-After your soliloquy at the Herald. . .
379
00:20:35,638 --> 00:20:39,421
-. . .I should take the solo this time.
-Okay.
380
00:20:39,766 --> 00:20:43,099
You got a few minutes for debate prep?
I know how you feel about me--
381
00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:44,935
You should get back in there.
382
00:20:50,107 --> 00:20:52,182
Know what I'm finding,
being on the trail?
383
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,309
-What's that?
-I never stop talking.
384
00:20:54,485 --> 00:20:57,818
No, really, I'm surprised I don't
babble like an idiot in the shower.
385
00:20:57,988 --> 00:21:00,692
Fifteen stops a day. Eight speeches.
Five interviews.
386
00:21:00,865 --> 00:21:03,319
I could do a good 45 seconds
on your overcoat.
387
00:21:03,533 --> 00:21:06,533
-Okay, let's not.
-It's a stitch too little, a season too late.
388
00:21:06,702 --> 00:21:09,192
Josh, you can do better.
America can do better.
389
00:21:09,371 --> 00:21:12,205
-You wanted to talk about the debate?
-I don't.
390
00:21:12,373 --> 00:21:15,373
-Why'd you return the call?
-I called you, not the congressman.
391
00:21:15,583 --> 00:21:17,161
You think I wanna tell him no?
392
00:21:17,335 --> 00:21:20,086
You know how this works.
They only put me on if I say yes.
393
00:21:20,253 --> 00:21:22,826
You do benefit
from a two-man debate. . .
394
00:21:23,005 --> 00:21:25,958
. . .but there are editorials
denouncing the Herald's decision.
395
00:21:26,133 --> 00:21:29,049
Public opinion's turning.
You're gonna see it at your events.
396
00:21:29,218 --> 00:21:32,800
Well, first of all, Russell's picking
up the tab. It's his decision.
397
00:21:32,971 --> 00:21:35,924
And second, the way Russell's
hammering me in these ads. . .
398
00:21:36,098 --> 00:21:38,339
. . .I gotta get him up there,
one-on-one.
399
00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:40,633
So why did you wanna see me?
400
00:21:41,477 --> 00:21:45,224
I wanna talk about Matt Santos'
statement on Pakistan.
401
00:21:46,355 --> 00:21:47,979
You're the only one.
402
00:21:48,648 --> 00:21:50,023
"Free and nuclear-free"?
403
00:21:50,191 --> 00:21:53,476
I used that exact phrase myself
at the Merrimack Chamber.
404
00:21:53,652 --> 00:21:56,273
We're working from the same material,
let's coordinate.
405
00:21:56,446 --> 00:21:59,018
We don't wanna get caught up
in a plagiarism charge.
406
00:21:59,198 --> 00:22:00,905
-What?
-Amy's memos.
407
00:22:01,074 --> 00:22:02,698
-Amy?
-Amy Gardner.
408
00:22:02,909 --> 00:22:05,114
Her memos on the presidential voice?
409
00:22:05,285 --> 00:22:08,238
That's where I got the line.
I assume that's where you got it.
410
00:22:08,412 --> 00:22:11,199
Now, if we're both gonna use them,
let's divvy them up.
411
00:22:11,373 --> 00:22:14,871
-She gave you the memos?
-"Security as the new women's issue. "
412
00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:18,078
-Pretty smart stuff.
-Sir, we're ready for you.
413
00:22:18,253 --> 00:22:21,537
Time's up, Josh. Gotta keep talking.
414
00:22:26,384 --> 00:22:27,877
When Russell was in Congress...
415
00:22:28,051 --> 00:22:31,005
... Common Cause called him
big mining's best friend.
416
00:22:31,179 --> 00:22:33,716
Congress Watch said
there isn 't a mining loophole...
417
00:22:33,889 --> 00:22:35,928
...or giveaway he won 't support.
418
00:22:36,099 --> 00:22:37,509
That's the new Hoynes spot?
419
00:22:37,683 --> 00:22:41,016
-Hoynes approved it, into the camera.
-I fought for that in Congress.
420
00:22:41,227 --> 00:22:44,430
If candidates had to look into
the camera and approve every ad. . .
421
00:22:44,605 --> 00:22:47,605
. . .it would somehow raise
the tone of these campaigns.
422
00:22:47,774 --> 00:22:49,102
It's not working very well.
423
00:22:49,316 --> 00:22:53,894
Candidates just approve at the top so by
the time they twist the knife, you forget.
424
00:22:54,112 --> 00:22:56,946
Bob Russell.
Good for the Colorado mining industry.
425
00:22:57,114 --> 00:22:59,189
But is he good for New Hampshire?
426
00:22:59,365 --> 00:23:02,282
I'm going back to the hotel
for my debate prep.
427
00:23:02,993 --> 00:23:04,866
One advantage
of being vice president. . .
428
00:23:05,036 --> 00:23:07,407
. . .aside from the motorcades
and the hoopla. . .
429
00:23:07,579 --> 00:23:11,327
. . .is the honor of standing behind
the vice-presidential seal.
430
00:23:11,499 --> 00:23:14,203
Tell you what I like about
the vice-presidential seal.
431
00:23:14,418 --> 00:23:19,292
If you close your left eye and you squint
really hard and you tilt your head. . . .
432
00:23:19,463 --> 00:23:22,131
Here's what's troubling me
about our answer on Pakistan.
433
00:23:22,298 --> 00:23:26,793
We're exploiting unverified claims denied
by the Pakistani and Nigerian cabinets?
434
00:23:26,968 --> 00:23:29,256
I was gonna say our
60-second answer's like 90.
435
00:23:29,428 --> 00:23:33,092
I hate it when clandestine proliferation
networks won't stay on the clock.
436
00:23:33,264 --> 00:23:35,387
-Mom, look.
-Oh, my.
437
00:23:35,558 --> 00:23:38,427
--the heart of who we are as a people.
But I am committed. . .
438
00:23:38,601 --> 00:23:42,977
-. . .to manufacturing in this country.
-You sure that was Advil you gave me?
439
00:23:43,146 --> 00:23:45,553
-That is a large chicken.
-That's not the mascot.
440
00:23:45,731 --> 00:23:48,138
-Aren't they the Fighting Wombats?
-Warthogs.
441
00:23:48,317 --> 00:23:50,605
-Mr. Vice President.
-We magged him. He's clean.
442
00:23:50,777 --> 00:23:52,982
Excuse me, Mr. Vice President.
Excuse me.
443
00:23:53,278 --> 00:23:56,611
About the debate. Why are you not
willing to have full participation?
444
00:23:56,781 --> 00:23:58,405
-Are you chicken?
-I'm going in.
445
00:23:58,616 --> 00:24:03,075
May I ask, sir, why you're not willing?
Why are you not--?
446
00:24:04,620 --> 00:24:06,493
-You're from the Santos campaign.
-Yes.
447
00:24:06,663 --> 00:24:09,533
Do you realize how pathetic this is?
Do your parents know?
448
00:24:09,707 --> 00:24:12,660
Pakistan could be arming Nigeria,
a potential Muslim coup. . .
449
00:24:12,834 --> 00:24:14,992
. . .and you're pulling pranks.
450
00:24:15,211 --> 00:24:19,077
If this is democracy, Santos belongs
in a fraternity house, not a debate.
451
00:24:19,255 --> 00:24:22,421
Now, go dip your beak
in someone else's feed.
452
00:24:25,551 --> 00:24:27,674
Tell me you're not gonna use that.
453
00:24:28,387 --> 00:24:32,715
There are whole generations of
Russians who were trained by the KGB.
454
00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:35,427
When the wall fell,
they didn't all go open pizzerias.
455
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,557
-That's not to say that--
-No, no, no.
456
00:24:37,727 --> 00:24:39,635
Bad, bad, bad.
457
00:24:39,811 --> 00:24:42,183
If I could pull a lever and drop you,
I'd do it.
458
00:24:42,355 --> 00:24:45,557
-What, my analysis isn't right?
-Your analysis is fine.
459
00:24:45,732 --> 00:24:49,729
I don't know how to explain. It's not
a pop quiz and it's not a talk show.
460
00:24:49,902 --> 00:24:54,609
The leader of the free world has to speak
in broad concepts, in value statements.
461
00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:57,449
"I love America.
I will lead the world towards liberty. "
462
00:24:57,616 --> 00:24:59,524
Oh, I don't sound pompous enough.
463
00:24:59,742 --> 00:25:02,114
You're commenting on events,
not shaping them.
464
00:25:02,327 --> 00:25:04,699
I don't shape them,
and it's not the way I think.
465
00:25:04,871 --> 00:25:09,946
The prospect of first-strike capability's
gotta change the way you think.
466
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:12,123
Anything from Hoynes?
467
00:25:13,752 --> 00:25:16,669
Yeah. I need five minutes with Amy.
468
00:25:17,755 --> 00:25:19,712
Take 10. I'm gonna call my wife.
469
00:25:19,881 --> 00:25:23,463
Show Amy how little I shape events.
470
00:25:26,219 --> 00:25:28,425
I'm trying to explain
the presidential voice.
471
00:25:28,596 --> 00:25:31,762
The difference between leading
the marketplace and catering to it.
472
00:25:31,932 --> 00:25:35,216
The difference between, I don't know,
John Lennon and John Davidson.
473
00:25:35,726 --> 00:25:38,216
Sergeant Pepper
and the fifth Herman's Hermits album.
474
00:25:38,395 --> 00:25:40,351
-You're working for Hoynes.
-I'm not.
475
00:25:40,521 --> 00:25:42,513
You're giving one-liners
to two campaigns.
476
00:25:42,689 --> 00:25:44,516
It was a memo.
I gave it to all seven.
477
00:25:44,732 --> 00:25:47,851
I suppose your love is a free gift
to the Bolshevik brothers too.
478
00:25:48,026 --> 00:25:50,315
Did you see the gender gap
in the last election?
479
00:25:50,487 --> 00:25:52,313
Probably not,
because there wasn't one.
480
00:25:52,488 --> 00:25:55,523
Yeah, and since chicks
really dig plagiarism, this'll help.
481
00:25:55,699 --> 00:25:58,367
Security's the new women's issue.
It's why we're losing.
482
00:25:58,534 --> 00:26:01,866
People are scared and Democrats sound
like think-tank hair-twirlers.
483
00:26:02,036 --> 00:26:05,985
-So you pick a candidate and help him.
-And if that candidate doesn't win?
484
00:26:06,206 --> 00:26:08,328
-Want a warranty?
-I want every candidate. . .
485
00:26:08,499 --> 00:26:11,867
-. . .to be able to take the Republicans.
-You don't give a damn.
486
00:26:12,043 --> 00:26:14,450
-You want--
-The whole party to be stronger. Right.
487
00:26:14,629 --> 00:26:17,201
We don't open our inner circle
to earth mothers.
488
00:26:17,422 --> 00:26:20,043
Who's we?
You didn't even know I was coming.
489
00:26:20,258 --> 00:26:22,048
No, but I know you're leaving.
490
00:26:39,688 --> 00:26:43,732
And don't knock Herman's Hermits.
It's hard enough getting on the charts.
491
00:26:55,074 --> 00:26:56,568
What happened in here?
492
00:26:56,742 --> 00:27:00,157
Amy practically knocked me over
in the lobby.
493
00:27:01,245 --> 00:27:05,076
-She's going back to Washington.
-You fired her?
494
00:27:05,415 --> 00:27:09,411
She's been advising the whole field.
Hoynes used the same line on Pakistan.
495
00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:12,335
She's brilliant.
I can understand how you'd want her.
496
00:27:12,503 --> 00:27:14,329
She's my ex, so you didn't tell me.
497
00:27:14,504 --> 00:27:18,086
-lf you had trusted me for two seconds--
-I knew she was advising everyone.
498
00:27:18,257 --> 00:27:22,088
That's why I didn't tell you.
You think I care about your dating life?
499
00:27:23,761 --> 00:27:28,422
Okay. Let's get back to Politics 101.
The object is to beat the other guys.
500
00:27:28,598 --> 00:27:32,013
We are all getting beaten on security.
It's like these debate rules.
501
00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:35,599
If all of us were better, maybe one
of us would finally break through.
502
00:27:35,769 --> 00:27:38,390
And did I just see chickens on CNN
up in my hotel room?
503
00:27:38,730 --> 00:27:42,145
This may not be the best time,
but we have to get over to the court.
504
00:27:42,357 --> 00:27:46,022
-It closes in an hour.
-We are not going to any cou-- Chickens?
505
00:27:46,194 --> 00:27:49,063
I had the lawyers finish the brief.
They're waiting.
506
00:27:49,237 --> 00:27:53,779
-Tell them to find an ambulance to chase!
-In case you didn't notice, we're in one!
507
00:27:54,074 --> 00:27:56,481
We're hosting a debate
that nobody is coming to. . .
508
00:27:56,659 --> 00:27:58,947
. . .with two lousy editorials
taking our side?
509
00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:01,617
Why do you keep making me
have this argument?
510
00:28:01,788 --> 00:28:04,195
Because it's not the way
I wanna do things.
511
00:28:04,373 --> 00:28:06,946
Being in a real debate,
like an actual candidate?
512
00:28:07,125 --> 00:28:10,991
Amy's telling me to be more presidential,
you want me to act like a Mob attorney!
513
00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:13,536
Here's what Amy won't tell you
about the voice:
514
00:28:13,713 --> 00:28:17,579
You have to become president
to use it.
515
00:28:24,846 --> 00:28:27,383
He wouldn't let me go to the court.
I had the brief.
516
00:28:27,556 --> 00:28:28,931
We were ready to go.
517
00:28:29,099 --> 00:28:33,760
If you end up canceling your alternate
debate because of lack of interest. . .
518
00:28:33,936 --> 00:28:36,687
. . .the field shrank to six dwarves
and a porcelain donkey.
519
00:28:36,854 --> 00:28:39,179
-Collectible.
-You should have told him a case...
520
00:28:39,398 --> 00:28:43,347
-. . .kicks up a media storm.
-He has the PR instincts of Idi Amin.
521
00:28:43,526 --> 00:28:45,317
Now we're shut out of a debate. . .
522
00:28:45,486 --> 00:28:48,439
. . .I fired my ex-girlfriend
from a job she never had. . .
523
00:28:48,613 --> 00:28:52,194
. . .Santos practically had me
batter-dipped and seasoned. . .
524
00:28:52,365 --> 00:28:55,449
. . .when he saw Donna
fighting a giant chicken on CNN.
525
00:28:55,618 --> 00:28:57,859
-Talk about dignifying a weak opponent.
-Yeah.
526
00:28:58,036 --> 00:29:01,819
You don't engage a chicken. Didn't you
teach that girl not to engage a chicken?
527
00:29:01,997 --> 00:29:04,369
Though, I swear,
watching the footage. . .
528
00:29:04,541 --> 00:29:07,375
. . .it looks like she's gonna pluck
the feathers right off.
529
00:29:07,876 --> 00:29:10,912
-It's the best press we've had all week.
-Gotta go.
530
00:29:11,879 --> 00:29:14,370
-Postproduction guys worked all night.
-Yeah.
531
00:29:14,548 --> 00:29:16,421
Did you get a cell number for Amy?
532
00:29:16,591 --> 00:29:19,212
Actually, she called and left it
for the congressman. . .
533
00:29:19,385 --> 00:29:22,254
. . .but made me promise
not to give it to you.
534
00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:25,928
-Hey.
-Well, let's see the ad.
535
00:29:28,141 --> 00:29:31,805
Health-care costs are spiraling.
That's something we should debate.
536
00:29:31,977 --> 00:29:35,226
Then why has Bob Russell refused
to take part in a real debate?
537
00:29:35,813 --> 00:29:39,347
The people of New Hampshire deserve
to hear us speak about the issues.
538
00:29:39,524 --> 00:29:41,183
I'm looking forward to the debates.
539
00:29:41,358 --> 00:29:43,564
Why won 't John Hoynes debate
all his opponents?
540
00:29:43,735 --> 00:29:45,727
The Concord Monitor
calls tomorrow's debate...
541
00:29:45,903 --> 00:29:49,022
... "an illegal contribution to
the Russell and Hoynes campaigns. "
542
00:29:49,281 --> 00:29:51,901
Post-Dispatch says
"a subversion of democracy. "
543
00:29:52,116 --> 00:29:54,867
Or maybe they're just chicken.
544
00:30:00,038 --> 00:30:01,865
It's an attack ad.
545
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,324
They shut us out of the debate.
We should crawl and thank them?
546
00:30:05,501 --> 00:30:08,335
You expect me to look into a camera
and say I approved that.
547
00:30:08,544 --> 00:30:10,832
We were gonna put that at the top.
548
00:30:11,213 --> 00:30:14,546
Thank you all for all of your hard work.
549
00:30:15,424 --> 00:30:17,167
We're not running it.
550
00:30:38,232 --> 00:30:41,600
Congressman, this is your argument.
551
00:30:41,776 --> 00:30:45,109
-People deserve a full and fair debate.
-It wasn't what I had in mind.
552
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,851
What did you have in mind?
553
00:30:48,698 --> 00:30:50,986
-I don't know.
-Oh, great.
554
00:30:51,158 --> 00:30:52,616
I'll call the editing bay.
555
00:30:52,784 --> 00:30:56,532
We need to overhaul the spot. We have
no clue, but get it ready for broadcast.
556
00:30:56,704 --> 00:30:59,573
-It's sketch comedy.
-It's fun. It's feisty.
557
00:30:59,789 --> 00:31:01,698
-It'll get us on the news.
-It's cheap.
558
00:31:01,916 --> 00:31:04,584
What did you expect?
I'm sorry, but nobody else cares. . .
559
00:31:04,751 --> 00:31:06,957
. . .about your
Marquess of Queensbury Rules.
560
00:31:07,128 --> 00:31:10,994
I didn't want this to be some crank
campaign, swinging wildly at Eden.
561
00:31:11,172 --> 00:31:13,923
Well, guess what. That's what we are.
562
00:31:16,009 --> 00:31:18,546
I like your debate rules, congressman.
Honestly, I do.
563
00:31:18,719 --> 00:31:24,222
And I admire your campaign ethics.
But we're game players, not rule makers.
564
00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:27,888
And if we walk away from our
last chance to make any kind of splash. . .
565
00:31:28,059 --> 00:31:29,802
. . .and this is our last chance. . .
566
00:31:30,186 --> 00:31:35,309
. . .the only rules we're gonna need are
for long, lingering games of shuffleboard.
567
00:31:35,481 --> 00:31:37,852
We got a good ad.
We got a minute of prime time. . .
568
00:31:38,024 --> 00:31:42,484
. . .on one of the top stations in the state.
You don't wanna run it, it's up to you.
569
00:31:58,205 --> 00:32:01,324
-Congressman, do you need some time?
-No, it's fine.
570
00:32:01,708 --> 00:32:03,866
Maybe we could run a bit
of your stump speech.
571
00:32:04,043 --> 00:32:06,000
Get the footage from C-SPAN.
572
00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:08,292
In less than one hour?
573
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,085
Yeah, probably not.
574
00:32:11,632 --> 00:32:15,545
Say, did you happen to catch the
New Jersey Senate debate last week?
575
00:32:15,718 --> 00:32:17,046
No, sir.
576
00:32:17,219 --> 00:32:20,089
Someone asked about
the situation in Freedonia. . .
577
00:32:20,263 --> 00:32:23,346
. . .and Barber said
that he was studying it.
578
00:32:23,515 --> 00:32:24,925
Freedonia's fake.
579
00:32:25,141 --> 00:32:27,264
It's from a Marx Brothers movie.
580
00:32:27,435 --> 00:32:29,806
And there was no follow-up,
no cross-examination.
581
00:32:29,978 --> 00:32:32,468
The bigger story in the papers
the next day. . .
582
00:32:32,647 --> 00:32:36,015
. . .was how he slammed his opponent
for being too liberal.
583
00:32:38,651 --> 00:32:41,651
You get into this thinking to yourself. . .
584
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:45,437
. . .that you're gonna
play by your own rules. . .
585
00:32:45,614 --> 00:32:49,397
. . .and then, bit by bit,
you chip away at them. . .
586
00:32:49,575 --> 00:32:54,035
. . .until you can't even name the game.
587
00:32:57,247 --> 00:33:00,532
You were a history major
over at UT, weren't you?
588
00:33:01,334 --> 00:33:03,290
-Yes.
-You think there's such a thing. . .
589
00:33:03,502 --> 00:33:05,541
. . .as a presidential voice?
590
00:33:08,422 --> 00:33:12,917
Seemed to me that the president makes
the voice, not the other way around.
591
00:33:20,139 --> 00:33:22,629
We're going to WMUR.
592
00:33:22,807 --> 00:33:24,929
To drop off the ad?
593
00:33:27,977 --> 00:33:30,812
-I'm gonna do it live, to camera.
-Do what live to camera?
594
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:34,264
Get a room and a laptop.
We'll figure it out when we get there.
595
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,847
-Call the director. We need--
-Room and a laptop.
596
00:33:37,025 --> 00:33:39,101
Right, and call--
597
00:33:39,277 --> 00:33:42,313
Call anyone else you think
you should call.
598
00:33:46,365 --> 00:33:48,441
-Congressman. This way.
-Hi.
599
00:33:48,617 --> 00:33:49,945
Hey, this is exciting stuff.
600
00:33:50,118 --> 00:33:53,154
-We love live TV around here.
-Yeah, me too. I love it.
601
00:33:53,329 --> 00:33:56,329
Talking about Pakistan? Hard for
a House member to do much.
602
00:33:56,498 --> 00:33:59,830
-I don't wanna spoil the surprise.
-Forgive the staff. They're jaded.
603
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,166
They hardly look up when
the first-tier candidates come through.
604
00:34:03,586 --> 00:34:07,036
Fifteen seconds to live.
Stand by to roll VTR.
605
00:34:07,214 --> 00:34:10,416
Stand by, VTR audio.
606
00:34:11,133 --> 00:34:13,919
-Coming live in six, five. . .
-And roll VTR.
607
00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:17,627
. . .four, three, two. . . .
608
00:34:18,055 --> 00:34:21,090
Good evening.
I'm running for president.
609
00:34:21,265 --> 00:34:24,182
And if you don't know who I am,
I wouldn't be surprised.
610
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:29,054
I've been shut out of tomorrow's debate
for suggesting it actually be a debate. . .
611
00:34:29,229 --> 00:34:31,850
. . .and this is the only ad I can afford.
612
00:34:32,023 --> 00:34:35,473
I got in this to improve
a broken school system. . .
613
00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:38,057
. . .fix entitlements, because
they're going bankrupt. . .
614
00:34:38,277 --> 00:34:40,020
. . .to expand health coverage.
615
00:34:40,195 --> 00:34:43,279
It'll save money if fewer people
show up in emergency rooms.
616
00:34:43,448 --> 00:34:48,737
What I've found is that presidential
campaigns aren't about these things.
617
00:34:48,910 --> 00:34:52,823
They're about clawing your opponents
so long as you don't get tagged for it.
618
00:34:52,996 --> 00:34:55,035
So how about this:
619
00:34:55,414 --> 00:35:00,241
I will never say anything about my
opponents, or anything about anything. . .
620
00:35:00,418 --> 00:35:04,545
. . .without saying it myself,
right into the camera.
621
00:35:04,713 --> 00:35:08,081
You might not get to hear much
of me, but when you do. . .
622
00:35:08,257 --> 00:35:10,712
. . .you'll know I stand by it.
623
00:35:11,217 --> 00:35:15,794
I'm Matt Santos, and you better
believe I approved this ad.
624
00:35:29,063 --> 00:35:31,980
The hard part's clearing
your throat, really.
625
00:35:36,152 --> 00:35:37,859
Great job.
626
00:35:44,366 --> 00:35:47,034
Yes, sir, we're still taking donations.
627
00:35:47,201 --> 00:35:50,699
Well, I honestly don't know
if we could run the ad again.
628
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:53,705
It wasn't really-- I'm sorry.
Could you hold, please?
629
00:35:53,872 --> 00:35:55,995
Hello, Santos for--
630
00:35:56,166 --> 00:35:59,119
Federal limit's $2000.
Could you please hold for a second.
631
00:35:59,335 --> 00:36:03,082
-Hoynes isn't commenting on your ad.
-I'm not commenting on his failure to. . .
632
00:36:03,254 --> 00:36:04,629
. . .so tag, he's it.
633
00:36:04,797 --> 00:36:06,456
Are you planning to go on TV more?
634
00:36:06,632 --> 00:36:09,336
I'm trying to get my own game show,
Let's Make a Country.
635
00:36:09,509 --> 00:36:11,299
I'll keep you posted.
636
00:36:11,677 --> 00:36:15,175
-I don't understand the strategy.
-I wouldn't call it a strategy, per se.
637
00:36:15,346 --> 00:36:18,180
-Obviously, we've talked about it.
-Before you wrote the ad.
638
00:36:18,348 --> 00:36:20,340
-Matt Santos wrote the ad.
-Come on, Josh.
639
00:36:20,516 --> 00:36:22,639
-We're on deep background here.
-He wrote it.
640
00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:25,300
-Off the record, then.
-Put me in Witness Protection.
641
00:36:25,478 --> 00:36:26,853
The guy wrote his own ad.
642
00:36:27,021 --> 00:36:30,603
I will never say anything about my
opponents, or anything about anything...
643
00:36:30,774 --> 00:36:33,857
... without saying it myself,
right into the camera.
644
00:36:34,068 --> 00:36:38,278
I'm Matt Santos, and you better believe
I approved this ad.
645
00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:41,778
It's hard to say whether Congressman
Santos ' minute of prime time...
646
00:36:41,948 --> 00:36:43,821
... will turn his campaign around...
647
00:36:44,033 --> 00:36:46,903
...but many political observers agree
that the unusual ad...
648
00:36:47,077 --> 00:36:50,279
...run on rival station WMUR,
raises the question:
649
00:36:50,454 --> 00:36:54,118
If candidates mean what they say,
why don 't they simply say it themselves?
650
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:59,165
Look, Amy, it's really hard out there.
651
00:36:59,336 --> 00:37:05,917
We got people lobbing grenades at us
from all sides, even our friends.
652
00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:08,759
They need to know if you can take it.
653
00:37:09,092 --> 00:37:10,634
Even your friends.
654
00:37:10,802 --> 00:37:14,501
For its part, the Russell campaign
says that it stands by all its ads...
655
00:37:14,888 --> 00:37:18,671
... which is why Bob Russell appears
on-screen attesting to its veracity.
656
00:37:18,849 --> 00:37:21,091
-I should be calling columnists.
-Don't.
657
00:37:21,268 --> 00:37:23,758
-No, we should be doing spinoff events.
-Don't.
658
00:37:23,936 --> 00:37:26,474
-We should be sending out copies of--
-Don't. Stop.
659
00:37:26,647 --> 00:37:29,682
This spins itself. Send copies,
they're gonna stop running it.
660
00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:32,519
-So, what do I do?
-Sit here.
661
00:37:32,734 --> 00:37:36,067
--voters don 't especially like,
and defending a campaign-reform law...
662
00:37:36,237 --> 00:37:38,608
... that hasn 't done much
to clean up campaigns.
663
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:41,068
For its part--
664
00:37:56,710 --> 00:38:00,836
What Congressman Santos did tonight,
intentionally or not, was put both....
665
00:38:01,004 --> 00:38:03,957
-What happens now?
-Very little.
666
00:38:04,131 --> 00:38:06,373
--defending a campaign-reform law...
667
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:08,589
... that hasn 't cleaned up campaigns.
668
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,795
Is it cynical that candidates
excluded from the main debate. . .
669
00:38:11,970 --> 00:38:13,713
. . .have now accepted your offer?
670
00:38:13,888 --> 00:38:17,470
I don't call it cynical. Yesterday,
this looked like a vanity exercise.
671
00:38:17,641 --> 00:38:19,348
I might not have accepted it myself.
672
00:38:19,517 --> 00:38:22,352
MSNBC's announced they're running
the debates back-to-back.
673
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,057
And I'd watch them,
but I'm busy that night.
674
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,682
A disaster. We're not getting coverage
of Politics and Eggs. . .
675
00:38:28,857 --> 00:38:31,692
-. . .of "get tough on Pakistan"--
-Press loves an underdog.
676
00:38:31,901 --> 00:38:35,067
-How many points behind this ad?
-None. It's all free media.
677
00:38:35,237 --> 00:38:36,779
Can we ramp up our media buy?
678
00:38:36,946 --> 00:38:39,234
Pull the negatives,
replace them with positives.
679
00:38:39,406 --> 00:38:40,948
That sounds like a retreat.
680
00:38:41,116 --> 00:38:43,820
-Press will smell blood.
-It's a multi-candidate field.
681
00:38:43,993 --> 00:38:46,697
If the press loves him,
and we're rolling in the mud--
682
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:50,036
We're leading in the polls.
How did we end up in a crouch?
683
00:38:50,206 --> 00:38:52,530
I'm not changing my ads
because of a stunt.
684
00:38:52,749 --> 00:38:55,666
-You saw the debate editorials.
-Thank God we kept him out.
685
00:38:55,835 --> 00:39:00,330
He'd have shown up in a powdered wig,
quoting from the Federalist Papers.
686
00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:02,580
I disagree.
687
00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:05,375
I don't agree, Mr. Vice President.
688
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:08,883
Maybe it is a stunt,
but if it is, we invited it.
689
00:39:09,052 --> 00:39:13,678
By trying to ride above the herd, treating
everybody else as if they were a herd.
690
00:39:14,223 --> 00:39:17,673
You have to go to Santos' debate.
Then Hoynes would have to go.
691
00:39:17,850 --> 00:39:20,554
Then we're letting the chips fall
on you, on your ideas.
692
00:39:20,727 --> 00:39:23,134
Not on some Machiavellian maneuver.
693
00:39:24,522 --> 00:39:25,932
And what's the alternative?
694
00:39:26,148 --> 00:39:27,974
Alienating Pakistan, which cuts off. . .
695
00:39:28,149 --> 00:39:30,853
. . .our only decent source
of intelligence in that region.
696
00:39:31,026 --> 00:39:33,433
I actually agree with John Hoynes
on this one.
697
00:39:33,612 --> 00:39:38,319
We have to keep that part of the world
free, prosperous and also nuclear-free.
698
00:39:38,532 --> 00:39:40,654
-Chest-beating's not gonna do it.
-Thanks.
699
00:39:40,825 --> 00:39:42,616
-That's great.
-Thanks, guys.
700
00:39:45,703 --> 00:39:49,451
-Where have you been?
-I got tied up.
701
00:39:49,831 --> 00:39:52,238
I'm fine if we wanna bring Amy back.
702
00:39:53,542 --> 00:39:55,700
Any news?
703
00:39:58,337 --> 00:40:01,254
Hoynes turned us down
for the debate again.
704
00:40:01,423 --> 00:40:03,830
He must have been scared off
by what he saw on TV.
705
00:40:04,008 --> 00:40:06,794
At this point, even raw opportunism
would suggest that--
706
00:40:06,969 --> 00:40:08,510
Bob Russell for the congressman.
707
00:40:10,554 --> 00:40:14,136
Mr. Vice President. Yes.
708
00:40:14,307 --> 00:40:18,138
And after Vice President Russell
decided to skip today's Herald debate...
709
00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:21,974
...and join Congressman Santos,
the Hoynes campaign had no choice...
710
00:40:22,146 --> 00:40:26,356
...but to do so as well. One thing's for
sure: the debate you're about to see...
711
00:40:26,524 --> 00:40:30,022
...isn 't the one John Hoynes and
Bob Russell wanted just two days--
712
00:40:30,193 --> 00:40:32,185
We had a tougher line
on means testing.
713
00:40:32,361 --> 00:40:35,196
You're gonna wanna save that
for the cross-examination.
714
00:40:35,364 --> 00:40:37,272
Right.
715
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:40,610
--are sure to make
this seven-way debate a must-see.
716
00:40:40,784 --> 00:40:45,112
Have you ever actually closed one eye,
tilted your head and looked at the seal?
717
00:40:45,287 --> 00:40:48,157
I hate to admit it, but yes.
718
00:40:48,331 --> 00:40:52,743
-Really just a blurry-Iooking seal, isn't it?
-I'm thinking about closing both eyes.
719
00:40:52,918 --> 00:40:54,910
What was it you said
about frontrunners?
720
00:40:55,086 --> 00:40:57,790
-Everything to lose, nothing to win?
-And tip the dealer.
721
00:40:58,171 --> 00:41:01,125
-Wanna grab dinner?
-Who else am I gonna have dinner with?
722
00:41:01,340 --> 00:41:03,546
--the Hoynes campaign had
to do so as well.
723
00:41:03,884 --> 00:41:07,133
Testing. One, two, three. Testing.
724
00:41:10,930 --> 00:41:13,385
Thank you for being
part of this very special...
725
00:41:13,557 --> 00:41:16,641
...New Hampshire Democratic
primary debate.
726
00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:21,512
I don't know if I've served you
very well over the past few days.
727
00:41:21,688 --> 00:41:23,976
What are you talking about?
728
00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:27,065
The ad was your idea.
So was this debate.
729
00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,273
I never thought we'd be here.
730
00:41:29,444 --> 00:41:32,278
It's a miracle I ordered podiums.
731
00:41:34,197 --> 00:41:38,988
Truth is, I can't think of one thing
I've done to make this your campaign. . .
732
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:43,025
. . .and not some cookie-cutter
Beltway hack-a-thon.
733
00:41:43,203 --> 00:41:45,326
Well, I can think of one.
734
00:41:45,497 --> 00:41:48,662
-You put me in it.
-Gentlemen, if you'll take your places.
735
00:42:02,175 --> 00:42:05,673
Can I buy you an ice-cream cone
when this is over?
736
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,718
My flight's in an hour.
737
00:42:09,931 --> 00:42:12,421
You're not gonna stay and watch?
738
00:42:12,933 --> 00:42:17,558
Could never stand to see candidates
flub my lines, anyway.
739
00:42:18,478 --> 00:42:20,803
Please take your seats.
740
00:42:23,315 --> 00:42:26,315
Welcome.
Thank you for joining us today. . .
741
00:42:26,484 --> 00:42:31,145
. . .for the final debate of
the New Hampshire Democratic primary.
742
00:42:35,032 --> 00:42:39,609
For the next 90 minutes, our panel
will ask questions of the candidates. . .
743
00:42:39,785 --> 00:42:43,864
. . .and all candidates will answer,
and all candidates must answer. . .
744
00:42:44,038 --> 00:42:46,160
. . .before the debate is to proceed.
745
00:42:46,331 --> 00:42:48,822
Then each candidate
will be given the opportunity. . .
746
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,325
. . .to cross-examine
her or his opponent.66424
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