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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,448 [♪♪] 3 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,008 [♪♪] 4 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,607 YOUNG MAN: I'm starting my own paper. 5 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,051 I'll show you how it works. 6 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,321 [♪♪] 7 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,962 Go faster! 8 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,525 Whoo! 9 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,690 (laughing) 10 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,326 MAN: I'll get a job. 11 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,601 We'll buy a house. 12 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:07,926 Couple of kids. 13 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,644 Don't worry. I got it all worked out. 14 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,771 MAN 2: Ladies and gentlemen, 15 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,689 please welcome the newest and youngest 16 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,370 addition to the Tribune team, 17 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,403 Lee Strobel. 18 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,602 (muffled cheers) 19 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,044 It is my distinct pleasure to honor one of our own 20 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,446 for his nationally acclaimed 21 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,210 Ford Pinto investigative series. 22 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,448 Lee, your work has given justice 23 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,170 to families across the country 24 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,248 and peeled back a corporate cover-up. 25 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,762 So I present you with the Len H. Small Memorial Award 26 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,882 for community service journalism. 27 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,604 And congratulations on your promotion 28 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,803 - to Legal Affairs editor! - (cheering, applause) 29 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,409 LEE: Thank you, Mr. Cook, 30 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,682 for the award, for the promotion. 31 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,802 Um... (clears throat) mostly for the promotion. 32 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,247 - Uh... (chuckles) - You're welcome. 33 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,524 The only way to truth is through facts. 34 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:21,486 Facts are our greatest weapon against superstition, 35 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,171 against ignorance and against tyranny. 36 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,045 Now, I learned those words from my mentor, 37 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,656 - Mr. Ray Nelson, everybody. - Thank you. 38 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,045 Let's let him hear it, huh? 39 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,128 Huh? His ego needs it. Bring it on. 40 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,685 - That's enough. - (light laughter) 41 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,131 LEE: Now, you all know Ray. 42 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,129 He's a legend in the business. 43 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,289 But, to me, Ray, you've been more like a father, so... 44 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,970 thank you. 45 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,651 - Thank you. Thank you, son. - (light laughter) 46 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,683 Most importantly, uh, I owe this honor 47 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,770 to my beautiful and very patient 48 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,281 and very pregnant wife, uh... 49 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,961 and to my favorite little lady, Alison. 50 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,844 I love you both more than you'll ever know. 51 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,121 - GROUP: Aw... - Yes, sweetie? 52 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,616 ALISON (whispering): Now can we eat? 53 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,130 (Lee laughs) 54 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,561 - "Now can we eat, Daddy?" - GROUP: Yes! 55 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,643 - Yes! - I'll drink to that. 56 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,205 - MAN: Cheers! - Thank you. 57 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,802 [♪♪] 58 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,456 - LEE: What's next? - LESLIE: I got "pasta." 59 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,323 LEE: Ooh. Well, then. 60 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,536 Of course, she finds the biggest word on here, right? 61 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,686 "Asparagus"? 62 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,768 Wow, that is a big word. 63 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,008 Not for a girl who's lost a tooth. 64 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,336 - Oh, okay. - LEE: Oh, big girl. 65 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,646 LESLIE: I'm still impressed. 66 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,569 A big girl who didn't eat her dinner. 67 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,567 - I'm full. - LESLIE: You're full? 68 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:29,567 - LEE: ls that right? - Yeah. 69 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:30,736 LESLIE: Are you gonna tell me 70 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:31,816 you're hungry when we get home? 71 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:33,524 All right, I'm gonna give you dessert 72 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,961 if you eat one more noodle. 73 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,320 - That was easy. - See? 74 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,930 Just have to bribe her a little bit. 75 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,485 - Chew it up. - LESLIE: Mm-hmm. 76 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,409 (makes slurping sound) We done? 77 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,807 - Show me done. -There's still spaghetti in there. 78 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,320 - LESLIE: Swallow that. - (laughing) 79 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,129 LEE: Take this. Go. 80 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,730 - (laughing) - LESLIE: Good work. 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,936 LESLIE: You know, I'm feeling pretty good about myself. 82 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,016 - LEE: Yeah? - LESLIE: Mm-hmm. 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,201 LEE: How is that? 84 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,886 I am married to a published author. 85 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,206 (Lee chuckles) 86 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,407 That's very impressive. 87 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,045 - Mm-hmm. Isn't it? - Mm-hmm. 88 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,440 I'm proud of you. 89 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,688 - Thank you. - Mm-hmm. 90 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,643 - I love you. - I love you. 91 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,922 You and only you. 92 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,443 - LEE: Mm-hmm? - LESLIE: Sweetie? 93 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,403 Ali, what is it, baby? 94 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,727 - Are you choking? - I think she's choking. 95 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,405 - Ali, come on, cough. - Hey, sweetie, 96 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,284 just breathe for Mommy, okay? 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,456 - Ali? Please, Lee. -Everybody, please, just give her... 98 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,448 - give her some space. - Lee, do something, Lee. 99 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,456 - LESLIE: Ali, I'm right here. Okay, -Come on, honey, come on. 100 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,296 - Baby, it's gonna be okay. - Can somebody help us, please?! 101 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,163 - Call an ambulance! - (indistinct chatter) 102 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,216 - It's okay, baby. I'm right here. - Look at Daddy, okay? 103 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,447 Okay, breathe for me. You're gonna be all right. 104 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,449 (stammers) Baby, I'm right here. I don't know... 105 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,856 I don't know what... I don't know what to... 106 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,976 - I love you, sweetheart. Just... - She can't breathe! 107 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,256 - Hand her to me. Quick, quick. I'm a nurse. -Ali, please! 108 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,647 - Quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. - Okay, just stay calm. 109 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,205 Come on. Come on, Ali, cough for me. 110 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,402 - Cough, honey. - She can't breathe, Lee! 111 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,646 She can't... 112 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,128 [♪♪] 113 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:04,811 - (coughs) - LESLIE: Sweetie. 114 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,416 - WOMAN: Cough, baby. Cough, baby. - Sweetie? Okay... 115 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,616 - (Alison coughs) - LESLIE: Okay... 116 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,051 - (murmuring) - (coughs) 117 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,616 - Just breathe, okay? - WOMAN: She's coughing. 118 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,080 - She's fine now. She's fine. - Okay? 119 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,096 - LESLIE: Okay, just breathe. - LEE: Thank you so much. 120 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,168 Thank you, thank you. 121 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:18,720 - I don't know how to thank you. - Come here, baby. Come here. 122 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,760 - Thank you so much. - You don't have to thank me. 123 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:22,604 I'm a nurse at Mercy Hospital. 124 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,609 She's gonna be fine now. 125 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,484 We're so lucky. 126 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,728 Well, it's not luck. 127 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:30,410 It's Jesus. 128 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,045 My husband and I were on our way 129 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,645 to another restaurant tonight. 130 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,161 Something told me I needed to be here. 131 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,010 Wow. Thank you. 132 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,849 Um, Leslie. 133 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,968 Alfie. Alfie Davis. 134 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,081 I'm not gonna forget you. 135 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,441 ALFIE: God bless you. 136 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,001 (Lee sighs) 137 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,163 Just keeping it interesting, huh? 138 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:55,729 You keep drinking that. 139 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:58,047 (insects trilling) 140 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,527 ALISON: I can still have candy, though, right? 141 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,536 LESLIE (chuckling): We'll have to see about that. 142 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:03,686 You get some sleep now, 143 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,768 all right, missy? 144 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,929 - Mom? - Hmm? 145 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,008 Who's Jesus? 146 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,565 Jesus was a man... great man... 147 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,496 And... you know, we've talked about God, right? 148 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,010 Honey, you know how Mommy and Daddy 149 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,963 read you stories at night... 150 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,650 You know, the fairy tales that you like? 151 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,161 So, believing in God 152 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,965 is kind of like that... It's really nice stories. 153 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,321 But we are atheists. 154 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,885 Atheists don't believe in God. 155 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,729 What do they believe? 156 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,844 Uh, they believe in what's real, 157 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,362 in what we can see, what we can touch. 158 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,522 Like What? 159 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,961 Oh... like this. 160 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,496 - (Lee grunting playfully) - (Alison laughing) 161 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,329 (Lee chuckles) 162 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,603 Well, I guess I'm an atheist, too. 163 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,281 LEE (chuckles): Get some sleep, booger, okay? 164 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,845 Here's Beary. 165 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,803 There you go. 166 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:01,570 Fudge Pop. 167 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,126 All right, sleep good. I love you. 168 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,208 Daddy? 169 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,209 - Yes, love? - Good night. 170 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,606 (chuckles) Good night, baby. 171 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,770 LESLIE: I thought we said we weren't 172 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,006 gonna force anything on her. 173 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,531 She asked. 174 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,728 Right, so as long as it's what we believe. 175 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,525 Ugh. Are-are we really gonna go around on this again, Les? 176 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,210 I guess so. 177 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,766 Babe, I... 178 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,884 I am grateful for what that woman did tonight... 179 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,604 Obviously... 180 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,927 But it was... it's a coincidence. 181 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,121 It didn't mean anything. 182 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,486 How can you say that? 183 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,000 She was going to another restaurant, 184 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,122 and something made her come to ours. 185 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,924 You think that means nothing? 186 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,730 I know it means nothing. 187 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,531 Can I tell you what it means? 188 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,688 It means that we would've lost Alison. 189 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,451 If that woman hadn't been there, we would've lost her. 190 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,369 Our whole world would've changed forever. 191 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,926 I... Yes, but it didn't. 192 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,849 Okay? 193 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,166 We're all okay. 194 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,850 Everyone's okay. 195 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,169 [♪♪] 196 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,647 (indistinct conversations) 197 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,610 There you go. I got ya. Whoa. 198 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,325 Hey, chief. 199 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,886 I could've edited three pieces with my red pencil 200 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,207 in the time it takes me to do one piece 201 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:24,526 on this ridiculous thing. 202 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,880 LEE: My new book. 203 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,256 Just picked these up from the mailroom. 204 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,720 Wanted you to be the first to see it. 205 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,171 Hmm. 206 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,936 Hey, there was a cop shooting this weekend. 207 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,405 Englewood. Officer survived. 208 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,524 See what you can get me on the shooter, James Hicks. 209 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:39,364 No, that's cop beat. I'm Legal Affairs now. 210 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,164 Why don't you give that to Monroe? 211 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,611 (chuckles) Now, you may be 212 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,722 a golden boy to the suits upstairs, 213 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,286 but to me you're still just a beat reporter here. 214 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,843 (muffled): Thank you. 215 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,883 Uh, don't close the... 216 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,241 London. Hey. 217 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,806 Want an autographed copy of my new book? 218 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,888 - Not one bit. - Ooh. 219 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,446 (chuckling) 220 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,562 Jealousy doesn't look good on you, my friend. 221 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:08,170 Then again, nothing does. 222 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,408 Overnight legal briefs from AP, Mr. Strobel. 223 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,761 Thanks, Rod. Hey. 224 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,809 Want you to go through yesterday's local rags. 225 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,763 See if anyone reported on a cop shooting. 226 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,531 Perp's name is Hicks... James Hicks. 227 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:21,091 Hicks. James Hicks. Sure. 228 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,123 - Okay. - You got 30 minutes. 229 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,050 I'll take a book if you're still offering. 230 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,120 Hey, London. 231 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,611 Hear that? Got my first taker. 232 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,563 He doesn't know any better. 233 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,536 LEE: Bet you're gonna go far in this business, kid. 234 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:34,766 Even if you are sucking up. 235 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,645 29 minutes, Rod. 236 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,204 ALFIE: Room 241, bed two, going home today. 237 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,084 Want to prep for discharge, please? 238 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,047 Leslie? 239 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,400 Yes. Hi. 240 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,807 Alfie. Yes. 241 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,849 Um... muffins. 242 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,287 I have not... been able to stop thinking about it. 243 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,562 What if you hadn't been there? 244 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:08,411 There is no "what if" with God. 245 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:11,489 You're so sure. 246 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:15,210 How can you be so sure? 247 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,727 Do you really want an answer to that? 248 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,929 Please. 249 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,324 - LESLIE: Alfie. So sorry. - Ah! 250 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,010 I'm sorry. The babysitter. 251 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,088 - I'm-I'm sorry. - Oh, it's fine. 252 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,521 - Okay. Okay. - Come on. Come on in. 253 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,405 ♪ O soul, are you weary ♪ 254 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,888 ♪ And troubled? ♪ 255 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,083 ♪ No light in the darkness ♪ 256 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,761 ♪ You see? ♪ 257 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,043 ♪ There's light for a look at the Savior... ♪ 258 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,640 PREACHER: Sometimes God speaks to us in unexpected 259 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,046 and surprising ways. 260 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:56,810 So tonight, for example, 261 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,127 if you find yourself here for the first time, 262 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,045 I just want to encourage you to open your heart 263 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,804 and take a chance. 264 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,764 Maybe God's trying to get your attention right now. 265 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,565 And, trust me, if you listen expectantly 266 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:13,480 for His whispers, you'll hear them. 267 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:14,487 You Will. 268 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,726 Maybe you're afraid. 269 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,405 Maybe you have doubts. 270 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,841 Maybe you've felt something missing in your life 271 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,725 and you don't know quite what it is. 272 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:23,966 That's fine. 273 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,525 God is patient. 274 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,570 And when you're ready, I promise you, 275 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:32,480 He'll be right there waiting for you with open arms. 276 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,810 - LEE: Hey. - Hi. 277 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,445 Sorry I missed dinner. 278 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:40,971 New boss piling on the work. 279 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,447 I think he's punishing me for the award. 280 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,449 How was your day? 281 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,769 Good. 282 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,484 It was good. 283 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,610 (knocking) 284 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,961 Officer Koblinsky. 285 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,923 - Who are you? - Lee Strobel. 286 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,042 I'm with the Chicago Tribune. 287 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,810 Close call, huh? 288 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,605 So, I'm looking to do a story on the shooting. 289 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,131 You know, hero cop, 290 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,049 injured in the line of duty, that whole angle. 291 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,016 I'm not supposed to talk to anybody from the press. 292 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,646 I know, but you've gotta be able to give me something. 293 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,001 You know the deal. Not while it's under investigation. 294 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,770 Look, I read your report. 295 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,848 I know you and James Hicks got in a scuffle, 296 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,962 I know he shot you, but come on. 297 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,576 Give me a little something off the record? 298 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,171 Why do you think he did it, huh? 299 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,691 Look, thanks anyway, okay? 300 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,131 LEE: Ah... 301 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,004 All right. 302 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,364 I will go find another hero cop to interview. 303 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,245 Mr. Strobel, do you want a story? 304 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,691 Yeah. 305 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,686 Do one on the gangbanger who did this. 306 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,768 Put him away for good. 307 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,729 [♪♪] 308 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,842 Feel better, huh? 309 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,602 PREACHER: We find the answer right here 310 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,007 in the Book of John, chapter one, verse 12, 311 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,009 "But as many as received Him, 312 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,010 "to them He gave the right to become children of God, 313 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,970 to those who believe in His name." 314 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,762 So, what does it mean to not just believe but receive? 315 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,216 PREACHER: And how does it lead us... 316 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,049 ALFIE: So, did you ever go to church? 317 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,322 LESLIE: Yeah, I went to church as a girl. 318 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,441 Mm-hmm. 319 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,246 And my mom sung hymns to me. 320 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,807 But Lee and I moved on from how we were raised. 321 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,244 And, uh, what is it that Lee believes in again? 322 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,725 Just the facts. 323 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,046 (chuckling): Okay. 324 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,209 I've always been kind of curious, 325 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,800 but, uh, lately, you know, 326 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,049 having Alison and now... 327 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,405 It's just starting to seem more important to know. 328 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,683 And I don't believe that it was a coincidence 329 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,963 that you came to the restaurant... I don't... so... 330 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,082 (chuckles) 331 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,770 What do I do with that? 332 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,924 What do you think you should do with it? 333 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,929 I don't know. I've just... 334 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,565 (chuckles) 335 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,041 I've just spent most of my life 336 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,606 feeling like God is a million miles away. 337 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,485 Oh, no, sweetheart. 338 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,729 God is not a million miles away. 339 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,571 He's right here... 340 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,682 right now, 341 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,725 waiting for you to talk to Him. 342 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,528 [♪♪] 343 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,368 LEE: The TV's all staticky again. 344 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,448 Tried banging on it. That's not working anymore. 345 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,244 Did you check the roof? 346 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,089 Yeah. The, uh, antenna's fine. 347 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,089 Maybe you should call the repair guy, 348 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,771 see if he can come by and take a peek at it tomorrow. 349 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,211 Sure. 350 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,802 Hey, so I went to see Alfie last week. 351 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,081 LEE: Uh... 352 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,488 - Alfie, Alfie, Alfie... - Alfie, Alfie. 353 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,443 Superwoman who saved our daughter? 354 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,130 - Right. - Alfie. 355 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,801 So, uh, she invited me to her church, 356 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,649 and I went. 357 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,330 (laughs) Really? 358 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,011 Oh, I would've loved to have seen that. 359 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,487 Yeah, well, I wanted to go. 360 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,329 (Lee sighs) 361 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,761 Can't we just give it a break, Les? Okay? 362 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,336 I know you were rattled the other night. 363 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,176 Are you interested in hearing me or just condescending? 364 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,646 No, that's not... that's not what I'm trying to do here. 365 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,921 Okay? Alison's fine, hon. 366 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,724 Let's not go crazy. 367 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,604 I'm not acting crazy. Am I acting crazy? 368 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,210 It was the wrong choice of words. 369 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,446 I don't think you're crazy. 370 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,130 I think you're pregnant. 371 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,810 And a little crazy. 372 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,844 And scared, and... I get it. 373 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,770 Do you? Because I'm not done yet. 374 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,690 Okay. 375 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,086 (Leslie sighs) 376 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,407 So, I went to church. 377 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,490 And I don't know exactly how it happened, but... 378 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,965 (sighs) 379 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,003 I felt something. 380 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,120 And so I went again tonight. 381 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,130 And I know this is gonna be weird to hear, 382 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,687 because it's weird to say, but... 383 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,286 I prayed. 384 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,847 So, what are you... what are you telling me, Les? 385 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,201 I'm saying that... 386 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,010 I talked to Jesus. 387 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:35,330 I... I told Him I want Him in my life. 388 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:37,885 You what? 389 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,286 Why? 390 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,164 - Why would you...? - Hey, stay with me. 391 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,328 Hon, this is a good thing. 392 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,249 What did this Alfie woman say to you? 393 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:46,964 It was my decision. 394 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,525 - Okay? - I don't accept it. 395 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,041 You don't get to accept it. I'm not asking. 396 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,856 - (Lee shushing) - I'm telling you what happened. 397 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,644 You're not hearing me. 398 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,609 Okay. Listen, hon. 399 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,091 It's me. 400 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,929 This is me talking to you. It's me. 401 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,566 Honestly, this is something 402 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,648 that I think I've been thinking for a long time 403 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,171 and I just haven't been able to... 404 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,090 to say anything because of who you are. 405 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,850 Oh, are you kidding me, Les? 406 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,610 - I know this is a lot, hon. - A lot? 407 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,960 A lot? You drop this on me. 408 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,080 What does that even mean? 409 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,400 I don't know what it means, 410 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,920 but I know it's a good thing for me. 411 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,056 - For us. Yes. - No. No. Okay. 412 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,570 - Yes. - Okay, this is not us, Les. 413 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,250 Whatever this is, okay, it is not us. 414 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:23,486 You are on your own... 415 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,045 Can you listen to me and not get mad? 416 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,696 I am listening to you, and that's the problem, 417 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,976 so if you're serious about this... 418 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,016 - And I am. - Okay, well, then I... 419 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,440 then I don't know what to say to you 420 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,696 - about whatever this is. - Don't say anything, then. 421 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,200 Just listen to what I'm trying to say, 422 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,561 because I'm trying to explain that I felt something 423 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,120 that is maybe more real than anything 424 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,128 I've ever felt in my life. 425 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:45,046 More real than anything you've felt in your life. 426 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,200 - Okay, I'm not trying to compare. - Got it. Got it. 427 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,296 - I'm... - No. You know what? 428 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,416 I don't want to hear any more of this. 429 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,930 - Come on. Hon... - Okay? 430 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,485 Where are you going? 431 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,364 To file a missing persons report. 432 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,005 - That's not funny. - Not meant to be. 433 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:57,963 (door opens and closes) 434 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,766 [♪♪] 435 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,524 Thank you. 436 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,168 [♪♪] 437 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,168 [♪♪] 438 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,481 YOUNG LESLIE: I love you, Lee Strobel. 439 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,002 You and only you. 440 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,048 [♪♪] 441 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,329 LEE: I feel like I can get through to her before 442 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,736 she gets too deep, but I remember, 443 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,096 you went through something like this, 444 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:35,929 uh, with your daughter... With Lori, right? 445 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,486 Yes, yes, I did. 446 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,409 It's a conundrum. 447 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,965 You see, in times of crisis, 448 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,242 we humans tend to seek meaning, don't we? 449 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:46,681 You've read Bertrand Russell, of course. 450 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,245 Yeah, of course. 451 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,170 I mean, not since college, but... 452 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,851 There's no way that Leslie would read that right now. 453 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,883 Yeah, my daughter wouldn't, either, 454 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,480 but I kept picking away at the delusion 455 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,126 until she finally came around. 456 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,124 But I gotta tell you, Lee, 457 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,442 doesn't come without a price. 458 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,760 How do you mean? 459 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,450 Whatever this is for Leslie, 460 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,767 maybe it's not such a terrible thing. 461 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,043 I mean, if it brings her comfort, 462 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,561 are you sure it's not something you can live with? 463 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,125 Yes, I'm sure. I'm not gonna lose 464 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,969 my wife and my kids to some thing 465 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,447 that I can't even reason with. No. 466 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,767 I can't even pretend to go along with this, Ray. 467 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,008 I mean, you of all people should understand that. 468 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:30,485 I do. 469 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,041 And I know that Leslie is a reasonable woman, 470 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,801 so I think that reason is probably the best approach. 471 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,608 And, as always, it comes down to facts and truth. 472 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,645 Now, you present her with the facts, 473 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,606 and I'm sure she will find her way back to the truth. 474 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,007 Meanwhile, my collection is at your disposal. 475 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,241 Take your time. 476 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:54,521 (sighs) Appreciate it, Ray. 477 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,529 Oh, Lee, one more thing. 478 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,966 I'll be praying for you. 479 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,844 - That's not even funny. - (Ray laughing) 480 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,562 LEE: Kenny, let me ask you something. 481 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,371 Uh, you're into all this God nonsense. 482 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,131 Wow, you sure know how to charm a source. 483 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,641 So, a bunch of Bible thumpers got to Leslie. 484 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,410 Um... 485 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,891 I'm afraid she joined your cult. 486 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,048 So, if somebody... somebody wanted to do 487 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,969 an investigation into Christianity... 488 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,366 Oh, like a hit piece. 489 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,289 Well, uh... 490 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,529 you know, if that's where the evidence leads. 491 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,244 (chuckles) 492 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:31,567 Seems to me you got yourself a catch-22. 493 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,920 What's that? 494 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,684 Let's say you debunk Christianity. 495 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,768 How's Leslie gonna live with the man who destroyed 496 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,247 the very thing that now gives her life meaning? 497 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,120 (stammers) I... Because I should be the thing 498 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,491 that gives her life meaning. 499 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,409 And then what if Leslie's right 500 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,330 and you prove your theory of science and reason wrong? 501 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,727 How are you gonna live with yourself? 502 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,320 I'm willing to take that chance. 503 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,681 Okay. You're a journalist. 504 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,007 Check it out. 505 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,004 Where would you start? 506 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,724 Unless you want to do two years 507 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,366 of seminary, I'd say go straight for the jugular. 508 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,686 The entire Christian faith 509 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,404 hinges on the resurrection of Jesus. 510 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,200 If it didn't happen, it's a house of cards. 511 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,289 He's reduced to a misunderstood rabbi at best. 512 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,051 At worst, he's a lunatic who was martyred. 513 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,731 For a guy who thinks I'm trying to assassinate Christianity, 514 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,808 you sure you want to hand me that gun? 515 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,530 I'm pretty sure you're not gonna be able 516 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,483 - to pull the trigger. - All right. 517 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,046 Who's the big authority on the Resurrection? 518 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,689 Dr. Gary Habermas. 519 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,211 He debated Antony Flew. 520 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,810 That guy's one of my heroes. 521 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,809 He's in Wisconsin, by the way. 522 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,126 Big debate this weekend. 523 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,480 - Wisconsin? - Mm-hmm. 524 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,840 Who would go to Wisconsin? 525 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,043 [♪♪] 526 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:51,616 REPORTER (over radio): spike in gang violence, 527 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,847 especially in the communities of Wrigleyville, 528 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,803 Lincoln Park, and Englewood, as evidenced... 529 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,969 Dr. Habermas, if Christians want to hold on 530 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:02,681 to their belief in a giant cosmic imaginary friend... 531 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,802 - (light laughter) - that's all well and good, 532 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,169 but don't try to stand your historical technique 533 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,171 up against a tsunami of legitimate scholarship. 534 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,124 - You will drown. - (laughter) 535 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,447 HABERMAS: Well, thank you for the warning, Dr. Singer, 536 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,444 but are you not aware that Gerd Ludemann, 537 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,204 one of the most famous atheist 538 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,243 New Testament scholars, now believes 539 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,482 that the earliest known report of the Resurrection 540 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,444 was formed no more than three years after the Cross? 541 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,086 Now, these are your colleagues, sir, not mine. 542 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,369 Something you'd like to ask me, Mr. Strobel? 543 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,050 Yeah, well, I-l... so I read your book, 544 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,009 and there's something that stuck out to me. 545 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,481 How can anyone talk about 546 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,170 historical evidence for the Resurrection 547 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,363 when the Resurrection, by nature, is a miracle? 548 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,051 Right? We all know miracles can't be proven scientifically. 549 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,924 Correct, but we don't have to prove a miracle 550 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,565 to prove a resurrection. 551 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,848 (chuckling): Okay. Love to hear you explain that one. 552 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,849 No, you just have to show that Jesus died 553 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,724 and he was seen afterwards. 554 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,365 Right, but the very people who claim 555 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,562 that they saw him are religious zealots. 556 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,286 So, in my line of work, we call those "biased sources." 557 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,011 Well, I'm not interested in bias either, Mr. Strobel. 558 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,487 You see, I care about the facts 559 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,648 for professional and-and personal reasons. 560 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,242 Right, so where are the facts, Dr. Habermas? 561 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,250 The Resurrection narrative is more legend than it is history. 562 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,569 Really? Well, not according to historical records. 563 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,331 Did you know that we have a report of the Resurrection 564 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,727 with specific eyewitnesses that dates all the way back 565 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,530 within months of the Resurrection itself? 566 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,803 That source also adds that 500 separate people 567 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,763 saw Jesus at the same time. 568 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,803 We're not talking decades or centuries 569 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,287 after the Cross, Mr. Strobel. 570 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,368 It's months. 571 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,608 Hey, you a coffee drinker? 572 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,008 Uh, sure. 573 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,525 ALISON: I should be able to reach the faucet. 574 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,404 When am I gonna be taller? 575 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,602 (chuckling): Before you know it. 576 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,166 - Ooh. - What's wrong, Mommy? 577 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,048 Nothing's wrong. 578 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,689 It's just the little one saying hello. 579 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,689 LEE: Okay, so 500 witnesses, 580 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,168 but that's still just one historical source: the Bible. 581 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,726 Wrong. There are at least nine ancient sources 582 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,081 both inside and outside the Bible 583 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,248 confirming that disciples and others 584 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,165 encountered Jesus after the Crucifixion. 585 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,040 But-but they were already followers of Jesus. 586 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:35,281 Well, not all of them. 587 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,243 Think of Saul of Tarsus. 588 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,488 He originally was a persecutor of Christians. 589 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,807 He hunted them down and killed them. 590 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,571 Yet he died the Apostle Paul, 591 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,445 proclaiming that Jesus was the Son of God. 592 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,449 But-but let's not kid ourselves here. 593 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,131 People die for lies all the time. 594 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,050 900 people died drinking poison Kool-Aid at Jonestown. 595 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,128 True, and there are other examples like that 596 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,607 throughout history, but here's the difference. 597 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,489 People don't willingly drink poison 598 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,722 for something that they know is a lie. 599 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,366 Fair point. 600 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,851 If the early Church martyrs 601 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,281 knew that the Resurrection was a hoax, 602 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,171 then why would they willingly die for it? 603 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,328 - Would you? - Um, I want to go back 604 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,885 to something that you said earlier. 605 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,810 You said that, uh... that this was personal to you. 606 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,490 Why is that? 607 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,364 I lost my wife Debbie to cancer. 608 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,209 I'm sorry about that. 609 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,403 It was the worst thing that will ever happen to me. 610 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,726 (takes deep breath) 611 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,569 But in my time of loss, it... 612 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,650 it made me confront my beliefs. 613 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,286 That is where I found my true comfort. 614 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,486 Because I know that I am gonna see my wife again someday. 615 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,406 And... forgive me, but as a man who... 616 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,246 who claims to value hard evidence, 617 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,522 don't you find that that sort of, um, 618 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,122 hopeful thinking weakens your argument? 619 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,891 Not one bit. 620 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,843 The fact that I benefit from gravity 621 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,088 isn't proof that it's real, 622 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,447 just as my dislike for mosquitoes 623 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,042 isn't an argument against their existence. 624 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,404 You see, what I... what I want and what I don't want 625 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,045 has no impact on truth. 626 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,925 That being said, if Christ's resurrection means 627 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,565 that I get to be with Debbie again, 628 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,445 I have no problem being happy about that. 629 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,804 Sometimes truth reminds us of what's really important. 630 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,888 [♪♪] 631 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,050 (beeping) 632 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,687 (engine revving) 633 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,365 [♪♪] 634 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,448 (pager beeping) 635 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,729 ALFIE: Oh, Lee, Lee. Lee. 636 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,001 Alfie. Remember me? 637 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,320 Yeah, of course. What happened? 638 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,771 Okay, well, her water broke. 639 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,484 She couldn't reach you, so she called me, 640 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,329 and... well, I drove her here. 641 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,965 Again... thank you. 642 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,445 - I'll take it from here. - Okay. 643 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,561 (knock at door) 644 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:25,966 - Hey, Les. - LESLIE: Lee. 645 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,321 - Daddy. - Hey, peanut. 646 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,169 (grunts) You a big helper for Mama? 647 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,884 LESLIE: Lee, where were you? 648 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,896 - I was working, hon. -Hon, I paged you and I paged you 649 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,127 - and I paged you and I... - I know, I know. Okay? 650 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,366 Yeah. 651 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,130 - You okay? - Mm-hmm. 652 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,651 He's beautiful. 653 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,760 They're cleaning him up. 654 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,800 We were at home, 655 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,127 and I started cramping, and... 656 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,163 Ali was scared. Right? 657 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,682 And we prayed, and everything got better. 658 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,050 Good. I'm glad. 659 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,242 (baby crying) 660 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,124 - Oh... - Oh, hi, sweetie. 661 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,129 Hey, come here, honey. 662 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,964 Oh, hi. 663 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,527 - (chuckles) - Oh, he's got healthy lungs. 664 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,961 Meet your son, Kyle Christopher. 665 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,010 - Hey. - (gasps) Hi. 666 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,487 (grunting) 667 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,647 Hey. 668 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,161 Welcome to the world, buddy. 669 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,847 [♪♪] 670 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,923 (fussing quietly) 671 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,166 You should call your parents, don't you think? 672 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,007 People can change, you know? 673 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,162 Well, the announcement's in the paper. 674 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,363 They can read it just like everybody else. 675 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,488 (radio playing indistinctly) 676 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,763 [♪♪] 677 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,568 [♪♪] 678 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,048 [♪♪] 679 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,886 (grunting): Good gracious. 680 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,886 (blowing) 681 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,001 (horn honks) 682 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,763 LEE: Mr. Marlow. 683 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,008 Lee Strobel, Chicago Tribune. 684 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,844 You'll have to excuse me. 685 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,803 Sir, you've been dodging my calls 686 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,410 about James Hicks for over a week. 687 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,851 I tried talking to PD. 688 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,400 They won't tell me anything, either, 689 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,050 Why can't I get a statement from anyone? 690 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,321 What's the big secret? 691 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,090 Hold this. 692 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,921 Tell you what... Why don't you come to the jail 693 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,122 and talk to my client yourself? 694 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,163 Maybe you can get him to say more to you 695 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,884 than he'll say to me. 696 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,562 (lock buzzes) 697 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,085 Mr. Hicks, I'm Lee Strobel. 698 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,089 I'm with the, uh... the Chicago Tribune. 699 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,720 I'd like to talk to you about the shooting. 700 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,888 I figured that maybe you'd want to give me, uh, 701 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,040 your side of things... you know, help yourself out a bit here. 702 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,764 I didn't do nothing. 703 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,690 Okay, so then... so then tell me how it all went down. 704 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,723 I don't know. It's fuzzy. 705 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,600 Joe started shoving me around for no reason. 706 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,801 Who's Joe? 707 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,763 - Koblinsky. - HICKS: The cop. 708 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,211 Koblinsky. 709 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,402 He put his hands on me, 710 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,171 so I fought back, like anyone would. 711 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,647 We go at it for a bit, then a gun goes off. 712 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,171 - Whose gun? - I don't know. 713 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,123 Like I told you, I was drinking that night. 714 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:09,890 - It was fuzzy. - Crime scene report says 715 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,128 they found your .22-caliber pistol in the bushes, 716 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:13,401 that it was missing a bullet 717 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,816 and it had your prints all over it. 718 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,649 Koblinsky carries a .38. 719 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,649 His gun was never fired. 720 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,650 In fact, it was never taken out of its holster, so... 721 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,526 if you didn't shoot him, then who did? 722 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,484 My old lady kicked me out that night. 723 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,965 I got a little crazy, 724 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,448 you know, fired off a round at the building, 725 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,848 but I didn't aim it at nobody or hurt nobody. 726 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,487 I tossed my piece in the bushes when Koblinsky rode up on me. 727 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,847 That's it... he tossed it in the bushes. 728 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,371 I tossed it in the bushes. 729 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,962 Mr. Hicks, are you still affiliated 730 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,731 with the Gangster Disciples? 731 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,410 You know what this is? 732 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,285 This is a waste of my time. 733 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,606 Guard. 734 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,722 Sir, I-| am trying to help you here, 735 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,683 and nothing that you've told me is gonna change 736 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,176 the evidence that's stacked against you, 737 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,089 which right now is pretty overwhelming. 738 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,248 What you talking about? You don't know me. 739 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,646 Okay, sir, you gotta come up with 740 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,336 a better excuse than "the dog ate my bullet" 741 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,886 if you're gonna beat this thing, Mr. Hicks. 742 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,200 (door closes) 743 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,526 Your client's guilty as sin. 744 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,007 - You know that, right? - Really? 745 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,363 [♪♪] 746 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,847 (bell tolling) 747 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,848 [♪♪] 748 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,405 (knocking) 749 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,085 LEE: Father Marquez. Lee Strobel. 750 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,016 - Thank you for seeing me. l... - Of course. Of course. 751 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,485 I, uh... I should tell you 752 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,443 I'm a bit of a history buff myself, so... 753 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,767 - Oh. -Yeah, I'm-I'm... I'm particularly intrigued 754 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,882 with your archaeological work. 755 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,843 Oh. A former life. 756 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,167 Uh, former life, yes. 757 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,965 I'm a... I'm a bit surprised, given your, uh... 758 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,407 your stellar reputation that you just 759 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,763 gave all that up for, uh, this. 760 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,360 Well, would you like to be more specific? 761 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,323 Well, it just seems to me that, 762 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,886 for the better part of 2,000 years, 763 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,843 Christianity has been creating these... 764 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,769 these rituals and these rules. 765 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,690 You know, they've erected these elaborate 766 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,007 and often expensive cathedrals, 767 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,804 and all of that to support a faith 768 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,844 that I believe is-is ultimately built on sand. 769 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,725 And yet it's all still standing. 770 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,207 Yes, because people keep telling each other 771 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,761 the same stories over and over again. 772 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,245 Just because I write something down 773 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,011 and I bury it in the dirt, that doesn't make it true. 774 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,846 I think I'm beginning to see the crux of your visit. 775 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,883 Look, I... 776 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,930 I understand that a number of people 777 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,203 claimed to have seen Jesus after his crucifixion 778 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,890 and some of them even wrote it down, 779 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,925 but I guess my question is: How-how can we be sure 780 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,202 of the reliability of those manuscripts? 781 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,810 Well, the same way we authenticate 782 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,844 any historical document: by comparing and contrasting 783 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,450 the copies that have been recovered. 784 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,648 It's called textual criticism. 785 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,967 The more copies we have, 786 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,401 the better that we can cross-reference 787 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,966 and figure out if what the original was saying 788 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,401 is historically accurate. 789 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,569 And the earlier they come from in history, the better. 790 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,366 Take Homer's "Iliad," for example. 791 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,323 MARQUEZ Hmm? 792 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,010 Is this real? 793 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,282 It's as real as the Macedonian dirt 794 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,925 that I dug it up from. 795 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,486 LEE: Well, the Greeks considered this their Bible 796 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,807 - for many centuries. - Yes, they did. 797 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,289 That is one of 1,565 copies in existence today. 798 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,449 Now, the "Iliad" was originally composed 799 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,001 - 800 years before Christ. - Okay. 800 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,808 This Greek copy is dated at the third century A.D. 801 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,126 (Lee inhales deeply) 802 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:23,480 So... (exhales) 803 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,682 800... that's-that's... 804 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,521 1,100 years between this copy and the original, yes? 805 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,929 Correct. There is only one ancient collection of writings 806 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,447 that has more authenticated copies than the "lliad." 807 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,971 Can you guess what that is? 808 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,525 You're gonna tell me the Bible. 809 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,085 The New Testament. 810 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,725 And how many copies is that? 811 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,123 To date, archaeologists have recovered 5,843 812 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,561 Greek New Testament manuscripts. 813 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,008 That's four times as many as the "lliad." 814 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,964 - Really? - The earliest fragment 815 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,085 of the Gospel of John was found in ancient Egypt, 816 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,965 and it dates to the second century A.D. 817 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,969 How close is that to the original? 818 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,321 Less than 30 years. 819 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,809 I have one of the fragments in my collection. 820 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,729 - It's quite a treasure, isn't it? - Hmm. 821 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,083 After the New Testament and the "lliad," 822 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,645 runners-up don't even come close. 823 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,967 We only have a hundred copies of Sophocles, 824 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,526 seven copies of Plato's tetralogies 825 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,042 and only five copies of anything by Aristotle. 826 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,563 In fact, if you laid the surviving copies of Aristotle 827 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,406 one on top of the other, it would make barely four feet. 828 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,002 You do the same with surviving copies of the New Testament, 829 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,327 the stack would be a mile high. 830 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,201 Nothing else in history even comes close. 831 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,931 How is that for "reliable"? 832 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,816 LEE: Well, Father, I certainly appreciate it. 833 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,729 You've given me a lot of food for thought. 834 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,216 MARQUEZ (chuckling): Entirely my pleasure. 835 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,571 LEE: Oh, wow. 836 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,886 The Shroud of Turin. 837 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,929 That is a fantastic reproduction. 838 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,242 Uh, the actual shroud is in the Cathedral 839 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,010 of Saint John the Baptist in Italy. 840 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,167 Under lock and key. 841 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,611 Of course. 842 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,848 No one's ever proven if the shroud 843 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,089 is the actual burial cloth of the Christ, 844 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,366 but whenever someone looks in those eyes for the first time, 845 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,927 the Galilean who hung on the cross two millennia ago 846 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,010 suddenly becomes a real person. 847 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,645 But why would he do it? 848 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,240 Why... why allow himself to be killed 849 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,324 if-if he really is the... the Son of God? 850 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,011 Why not use his power to defend himself? 851 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,730 The answer to that is what got me 852 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,127 out of the dirt and into the church. 853 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,686 It's really very simple. 854 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,211 Love. 855 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,288 - ♪ ♪ - Mm-hmm. 856 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,849 Love. 857 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,684 ♪ Carry on, my wayward son ♪ 858 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,725 ♪ There'll be peace when you are done ♪ 859 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,004 ♪ Lay your weary head to rest ♪ 860 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,043 ♪ Don't you cry no more... ♪ 861 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,924 LEE: You're saying that the historical Christ 862 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,168 is identical 863 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,736 to the religious basis for Jesus Christ? 864 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,616 VOICE: Please deposit one dollar to continue talking. 865 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,291 Dr. Yamaguchi, could you hold for one second, please? 866 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,129 Hi. Lee Strobel with the Chicago Tribune. 867 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,969 How are you, sir? 868 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,416 Dr. Ben Witherington told me he'd be 869 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,856 letting you know that I'd be calling. 870 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,760 Well, no, I just wanted to check on the validity 871 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,087 of a few historical documents, if I could. 872 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,761 ♪ And if I claim to be a wise man ♪ 873 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,646 ♪ It surely means that I don't know ♪ 874 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,651 ♪ On a stormy sea of moving emotion ♪ 875 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,082 ♪ Tossed about I'm like a ship on the ocean ♪ 876 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,046 ♪ I set a course for winds of fortune ♪ 877 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,482 ♪ But I hear the voices say ♪ 878 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,446 ♪ Carry on, my wayward son ♪ 879 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,962 ♪ There'll be peace when you are done ♪ 880 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,602 ♪ Lay your weary head to rest ♪ 881 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,563 ♪ Don't you cry no more. ♪ 882 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,682 Ah! 883 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,248 (baby crying) 884 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,170 (shushing quietly) 885 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,084 (sighs) 886 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,804 (crying stops) 887 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,324 A-one, a-two... 888 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,050 a-three. 889 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,161 Three. 890 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,080 ANNOUNCER: How many licks does it take 891 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,600 to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop? 892 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,041 The world may never know. 893 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,326 LESLIE: What on earth? 894 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,886 It's 3:00 in the morning, hon. 895 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,968 - What you doing? - Oh, uh... 896 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,770 a little research for a story. 897 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,370 (Leslie sighs) 898 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,245 What's your story on? Imported German beer? 899 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,283 Oh, the judgment. Here it comes. 900 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,402 - I'm not judging you. - Bring it on. 901 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,761 I'm worried, hon, that you've been up late every night 902 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,291 or out. 903 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,971 I just... I feel like you're not here with me. 904 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,481 Well, whose fault is that, Leslie? 905 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,051 Okay. 906 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,764 You've obviously had one too many. 907 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,962 - You're being a jerk. - So this is my fault, then? 908 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,411 - (sighs) - Sweetheart, 909 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,000 I'm not the one who went and changed. You did that. 910 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,929 I don't know, maybe I wasn't enough for you. 911 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,204 Maybe... maybe you had to go find yourself a new man. 912 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,129 - What? - Yes. 913 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:23,571 You're cheating on me. 914 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,681 With Jesus. 915 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,041 You're hilarious. 916 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,200 You went off the deep end, and now you're pissed off 917 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,611 'cause I won't jump in after you. 918 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:32,926 I'm gonna sit this one out. 919 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,371 - All right? - Great. 920 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,131 I'm going back to sleep. 921 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,527 - I'm gonna crash on the couch. - Fine. 922 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,007 Hey, I didn't sign up for this, Les! 923 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,168 I want my wife back! 924 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,802 (taking deep breaths) 925 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,562 (sobbing) 926 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,651 Please just tell me what to do. 927 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,967 Just tell me what to do. 928 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,850 LEE: Hey. Good morning. 929 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,246 Did you sleep good last night? 930 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,407 You have sweet dreams? 931 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,726 - Mm-hmm. - Good. 932 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,487 Okay, well, I'll see you later, all right, baby? 933 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,204 Mm-hmm. 934 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,964 DUBOIS: Strobel! 935 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,605 Rolling in at the crack of noon. 936 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,245 Just trying to get to the bottom 937 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,930 of this cop shooting, chief. 938 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,202 Mm-hmm. By reading Voltaire. 939 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,322 Can't wait to see how that's gonna play in. 940 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,329 Well, that's for something different. 941 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,656 How long till I'm reading copy? 942 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,170 I'm trying, Okay? 943 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,930 There's a big story here. I feel it. 944 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,769 Yeah, I need to feel it right here. 945 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,366 I know that, and I'm gonna do my best to make that happen. 946 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,891 - (phone rings) - All right? 947 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,650 Oh, excuse me. 948 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,165 Legal Affairs desk. 949 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,123 - MAN: Lee Strobel? - Speaking. 950 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:08,810 Yeah, this is, uh, Bill Craig. 951 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,570 I'm sorry. Who? 952 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,011 Bill Craig. 953 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,576 Dr. Craig, thank you for returning my call. 954 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,931 I appreciate that. 955 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,565 BILL: Yeah, I'm sorry for the delay. 956 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,409 I'm-I'm calling from Jerusalem. 957 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,856 I have to give a lecture any minute. I just, uh... 958 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,176 I didn't want to keep you waiting. 959 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,486 LEE: I'll cut right to the chase. 960 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,886 So, I've been doing research 961 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,496 into the purported resurrection of Jesus, 962 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,488 and I want to run a theory by you. 963 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,001 Maybe the reason that the tomb was empty 964 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,527 was because Jesus' body was never there in the first place. 965 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,325 Because we know that the Romans used to throw the bodies of... 966 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,681 of, uh, crucifixion subjects to the dogs. 967 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,564 - Right? -Well, there's no evidence for that, 968 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,571 but there are specific records that didn't happen to Jesus. 969 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,520 - And what records are those? - Well, actually, 970 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,410 the earliest recorded accounts tell us that Jesus was properly 971 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,329 buried in a tomb... And the Romans did allow 972 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,966 for burial of some crucifixion victims. 973 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,976 But then there's something that still doesn't add up to me 974 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,287 about all of these supposed eyewitnesses 975 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,488 that claimed to have found Jesus' empty tomb. 976 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,364 What, the fact that they were all women? 977 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,776 Yeah, because... because we know that, 978 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,290 according to Jewish customs, 979 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,641 women were deemed to be unreliable witnesses. 980 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,489 - Am I right? - Well, true. 981 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,001 So, why did all four gospel writers record 982 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,288 that it was women who discovered the empty tomb? 983 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,448 (laughing): It... So I'm asking you that. 984 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,000 Well, if you were a first-century Jew 985 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,565 making up this story out of thin air, 986 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,880 then you would never say that women discovered the tomb. 987 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,928 - It would damage your case, not help it. -Okay. 988 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,725 So maybe we're dealing with the world's most inept disciples. 989 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,856 Or maybe the disciples reported what actually happened 990 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,530 and let the chips fall where they may. 991 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,206 Okay, all right, but you-you have to admit here 992 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,243 that there is a... there is a gaping hole 993 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,203 - in all of this. - A gaping hole? 994 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,687 The-the fact that the gospels are filled 995 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,848 with contradictions about the empty tomb. 996 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,042 Okay? If I turned in a story that was this jumbled, 997 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,491 I'd be out of a job. 998 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,841 If we look through the gospels, you start at... 999 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,042 start at Matthew, okay? 1000 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,489 Matthew puts Mary Magdalene and some other Mary at the tomb. 1001 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,171 You flip over to Mark, he adds Salome. 1002 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,931 You go to Luke, he adds Mary, mother of James, 1003 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,326 and then some lady named Joanna. 1004 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,124 What-what is that? You need a Sherpa guide 1005 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,765 to sort your way through this mess. 1006 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,216 Sure, there are differences, but that 1007 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,520 doesn't trouble most historians. 1008 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,846 Why? Why doesn't that trouble...? 1009 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,564 It troubles me. It should trouble them. 1010 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,724 Because the core of the story is the same in all four. 1011 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,604 After Jesus is placed in the tomb, 1012 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,769 it's visited on Sunday morning by a small group of women, 1013 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,291 and they find the body is gone. 1014 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,521 Now, you've studied law. 1015 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,290 Yeah, law, yes. 1016 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,120 Then you know that, when policemen question 1017 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,965 several witnesses at a crime scene, they never expect 1018 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,576 the secondary details to be consistent, 1019 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,807 as long as the core account is the same. 1020 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,129 In fact, if they're too similar, it's suspect. 1021 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,730 - That's true. - Well, that's exactly 1022 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,490 what we're talking about here. 1023 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,364 The empty tomb is based on evidence, 1024 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,005 and isn't evidence your trade? 1025 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,566 It is, yes, but what if... what if the Resurrection 1026 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,444 is one of the historical details 1027 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,925 that was recorded incorrectly? 1028 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,804 How can we know? How can we ever know? 1029 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,160 (sighs) Lee... 1030 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,725 let me ask you something. 1031 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,729 Do you really want to know the truth, 1032 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,410 or is your mind already made up, 1033 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,767 - regardless of the facts? - Oh, look, Doc, 1034 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,325 I-I'm a journalist, okay? 1035 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,005 It's my job to challenge assumptions 1036 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,296 until they're proven otherwise. 1037 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,401 That's all I'm doing. 1038 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,249 Well, I get that. 1039 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,210 But when is enough evidence enough evidence? 1040 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,801 LESLIE: He 's so frustrating. 1041 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,809 I'm just not good at this, I guess. 1042 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,287 I just... I want to share it with him. 1043 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,641 I want to celebrate it, 1044 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,240 and I'm walking on eggshells in my own home. 1045 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,249 Well, it's probably the same for him. 1046 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,442 He's walking on eggshells, too, so... 1047 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,686 give yourself a break. 1048 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,365 But the more I try to reach him, 1049 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,403 - the more he pulls away. - Okay, so... 1050 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,363 how did you reach him before? 1051 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,001 Well, We'd talk. 1052 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,282 We'd really talk and listen and... 1053 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,646 "Listen." 1054 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,410 (laughs) 1055 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,887 Do that. 1056 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,004 - LESLIE: Easier said than done. - (Alfie laughs) 1057 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,569 (muttering) 1058 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,366 Koblinsky... 1059 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,085 Koblinsky. 1060 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,250 Koblinsky. Koblinsky. 1061 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,409 Koblinsky. You gotta be kidding me. 1062 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,485 Says here that Koblinsky 1063 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,405 was Hicks's arresting officer six times. 1064 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,050 Obviously, these guys knew each other. 1065 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,481 In fact, when I interviewed Hicks, he slipped up. 1066 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,489 He called Koblinsky by his first name. 1067 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,602 So, what's your theory? 1068 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,927 My theory is that Hicks is an informant 1069 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,010 for the gang task force and Koblinsky is his handler. 1070 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,441 Which means a gang member just shot his own handler 1071 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,291 and, for some reason, Chicago PD's covering it up. 1072 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,165 PD's protecting this guy. He's a cop shooter. 1073 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,009 (sighs) 1074 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,603 I can't run that unless you get me a source inside the PD... 1075 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,724 Someone to confirm Hicks is an informant. 1076 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,882 Well, I'm gonna need a little help. 1077 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,565 (sighs) 1078 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,728 DUBOIS: Dinner and drinks only. 1079 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,161 Well, drinks at least. 1080 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,770 Bring me back a receipt. 1081 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,291 And don't close the... 1082 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,090 MAN: What do you want from me, Strobe]? 1083 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,885 It's an open-and-shut case. That's all I know. 1084 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,128 (chuckles) So, you're... you're on the gang squad. 1085 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,725 That's all you know? 1086 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,683 You gotta give me something. 1087 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,731 Can... can I get you dinner? 1088 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,365 You like steak? 1089 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,564 LEE (clears throat): Here's my theory. 1090 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,730 Koblinsky's on your team, and Hicks is your informant. 1091 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,486 (chuckles) You think that, uh, 1092 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,284 'cause you take down a big car company 1093 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,976 that there's a conspiracy underneath every rock? 1094 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,256 No, don't-don't... Come on, Acosta, 1095 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,691 you know that I'm right. 1096 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,086 Koblinsky's a hero, okay? 1097 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,611 No one's taking that away from him. 1098 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:47,324 But his own snitch shoots him, 1099 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,562 and your bosses don't want it getting out. 1100 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,776 That doesn't look good for your new department, politics 1101 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,086 or whatever, I get it. 1102 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,089 You want to know what I hear? 1103 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,328 I hear they're gonna knock Hicks's time 1104 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,805 down to petty time in county. 1105 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,570 They're gonna put him back on the streets. 1106 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,001 They're offering Hicks a plea to keep his mouth shut. 1107 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,810 Now, you don't want that. 1108 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,366 Now, all I need to run this story 1109 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,608 is one source from the squad. 1110 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,961 That way, everybody knows Hicks is a stoolie, 1111 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,321 he goes away for a long time, 1112 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,761 and, boom, your task force is free of cop shooters. 1113 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,486 I'm not gonna quote you. I'm not gonna use your name. 1114 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,568 You don't have to go on the record. Nothing. 1115 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:22,960 How about this? 1116 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,560 If I'm even in the right ballpark, 1117 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,364 you leave the tip. 1118 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,885 Drop a couple bucks on the table, 1119 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,764 get up, you walk out of here, 1120 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,928 I know that I'm safe to run my story. 1121 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,648 I'll do you one better. 1122 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,127 I'll pay for the meal. 1123 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,487 It was crap anyways. 1124 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,408 (typing) 1125 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,924 DUBOIS: Now, how confident are you on this? 1126 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,724 Very. 1127 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,923 Okay. 1128 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,804 Get it to the copy desk. 1129 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,366 Front page... Green Streak edition. 1130 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,562 Uh, and d-don't... 1131 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,446 LESLIE: Lee? 1132 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,205 Lee? 1133 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,562 Hey. 1134 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,680 (Lee grunts) 1135 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:35,960 I made you coffee. 1136 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,086 (groaning): Oh, okay. 1137 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,567 Shut up and take the coffee. 1138 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:43,449 (sighing): Goodness. 1139 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,965 - I wanted to ask you a favor. - Mm-hmm. 1140 00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,483 Uh, the... I'm taking the kids to church. 1141 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,762 Come with us. 1142 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,609 Why would I do that? 1143 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,886 Because I asked you to... Nicely... and... 1144 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,696 because, even though you think I've lost my mind, 1145 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:15,370 you'd still do anything to make me happy. 1146 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,480 (Lee grumbles) 1147 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,531 (sighs) 1148 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,803 I'm still gonna bring my notebook, 1149 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,766 in case I uncover a church scandal or something. 1150 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,120 Deal. 1151 00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:31,447 Get ready to go. 1152 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,047 - 15 minutes. - Mm-mm. 1153 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,448 ♪ When I'm depressed and I get down so low ♪ 1154 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,007 ♪ And then I see You coming to me ♪ 1155 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,930 ♪ It's all right ♪ 1156 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,530 ♪ Oh ♪ 1157 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,449 ♪ You put this love in my heart ♪ 1158 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,483 ♪ You put this love in my heart ♪ 1159 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,046 ♪ You put this love in my heart. ♪ 1160 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,364 (cheering) 1161 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,485 Some of you have had bad experiences in church before, 1162 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,648 and I get that. Churches aren't perfect. 1163 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,690 Pastors aren't perfect. I know I'm not. 1164 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,404 But that's not God. 1165 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,010 That's people. 1166 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,726 God wants to be your Father. 1167 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,730 To love you until you know His promise of Heaven. 1168 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,844 Because this is the simple truth of our faith. 1169 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,166 God made us. 1170 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,810 We messed things up. 1171 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,048 Christ paid for our mess, 1172 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,481 and all we have to do is receive Him. 1173 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,409 It really is as simple as that. 1174 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:30,806 ALFIE: Hi. 1175 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,888 Lee. 1176 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,769 - Hey, Lee. - Hey. Good to see you, Alfie. 1177 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,804 Good to see you. I see you brought the baby. 1178 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,564 LEE: Yeah, yeah. He's growing up. 1179 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,523 Hey, uh, can I talk to you for a minute? 1180 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,130 Um, sure... sure. 1181 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,242 Yeah, I-| just wanted to say that-that... 1182 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,966 we are grateful, uh, for what you did with Alison. 1183 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,128 - Oh... - And-and we owe you. 1184 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,562 And... and-and I-I don't mean that lightly. 1185 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,685 But now, this whole thing with Leslie, 1186 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,326 it needs to stop. 1187 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,925 I don't understand. 1188 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,883 You're-you're putting ideas in her head. 1189 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,243 You're drawing her into... in this, and... 1190 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,856 and-and I know how this works. I know you folks 1191 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,042 have a mandate, okay? You need to raise money. 1192 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,168 You need to get the good news out and all that. 1193 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,806 I'm just letting you know 1194 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,491 that you're gonna need to find someone else to recruit. 1195 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,241 Lee, your wife is not brainwashed. 1196 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,682 She's seeking God, and I'm just trying to help. 1197 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,049 She is vulnerable, and you are taking advantage. 1198 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,561 She's my wife, this is our life, 1199 00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:33,370 and I want you to stay out of it. 1200 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,606 Now, is that clear? 1201 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,688 [♪♪] 1202 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,847 LEE: All right, come on. 1203 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:39,847 - Let's go. - Well... 1204 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,200 anyhow, see you. 1205 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,651 - Okay. - Alison? 1206 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,000 Come on, sweetie. 1207 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,122 Bye. 1208 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,329 (doorbell rings) 1209 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,484 Lee. 1210 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,168 Dad. 1211 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,328 LEE'S MOTHER: There he is. 1212 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,448 Hello, sweetheart. 1213 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,882 - Hi. Hi. - Big guy. Oh, he's so sweet. 1214 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,001 Hi, honey. 1215 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,203 Oh, Walt, look at how handsome he is. 1216 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,482 - I'll say. - Oh, he's an angel. 1217 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,887 LEE'S FATHER: Yeah. 1218 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,480 - (laughing) - (baby crying) 1219 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,887 LEE'S MOTHER: Oh, sweetheart. Oh... 1220 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,805 You know what, it's time for your nap. 1221 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,804 Nap time, so... 1222 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,410 Okay, honey, there you go. 1223 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,680 LEE'S MOTHER: I love his name. 1224 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,564 What's his middle name? 1225 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,529 Christopher. Kyle Christopher. 1226 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,728 You didn't use "John" in his name? 1227 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,808 LEE'S MOTHER: Walter. 1228 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,604 Kyle Christopher is a beautiful name. 1229 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,529 It's a beautiful name, but "John" has been 1230 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:03,936 in the Strobel line for generations. 1231 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,530 Oh, here we go. 1232 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,246 Because I didn't want to name my son John, okay? 1233 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,926 Your grandpa's John. So is your older brother. 1234 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,929 Mm-hmm. It's also the euphemism for a toilet 1235 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,280 and the client of a prostitute. 1236 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:15,320 LESLIE: Lee! 1237 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,884 Really? 1238 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,446 - (Lee clears throat) - Sorry I brought it up. 1239 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,160 LEE: Don't know why you guys came anyway. 1240 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,890 Nobody invited you. 1241 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,522 I'm gonna get some air. 1242 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,529 (Walter sighs) 1243 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,489 Leslie, it was lovely to see you. 1244 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,722 - Thanks for coming. - Thanks. 1245 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,090 Lee, was that really necessary? 1246 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,168 I learned from the best of 'em, Mom. 1247 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,368 Oh, I just wish the two of you could learn 1248 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,403 - to understand each other. - Oh, you know what? 1249 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:57,760 I wish a lot of things. 1250 00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,450 I... What do you want from me? 1251 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,688 The guy never cared about me my whole life. 1252 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,165 Now, suddenly, I got kids, 1253 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,601 and he wants to be best friends? No. 1254 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,449 It's too late. 1255 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,881 Honey, I'm gonna go do some work. 1256 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,524 (sighs) 1257 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,929 (car engine starts) 1258 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,765 I'm sorry. I know it's always hard with him. 1259 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,046 That can never happen to us. 1260 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,368 LEE: Ray, I'm telling you, I've checked it out. 1261 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,811 I've interviewed a dozen 1262 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,570 historians, philosophers, archaeologists. 1263 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,489 There's all these accounts 1264 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,080 of actual eyewitnesses which corroborate each other. 1265 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,202 People with zero motivation to lie. 1266 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,771 In fact, they should've lied. 1267 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,884 Some of them ended up dying for their beliefs. 1268 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,049 (sighs) 1269 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,521 I'm losing my mind, Ray. 1270 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,082 I wake up every morning, and, um, I think to myself, 1271 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,725 "Maybe today's the day. 1272 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,047 Maybe... maybe today she'll come to her senses." 1273 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,250 And she doesn't. 1274 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,283 You know, just gets worse. 1275 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,165 Thing of it is, she's different. 1276 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,723 She's actually different. 1277 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,605 You know, that's what scares the heck out of me. 1278 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,164 Just miss my wife. 1279 00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,363 I wish that I could be of more help to you, Lee. 1280 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,808 But just remember... 1281 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:15,001 Leslie knows full well that you don't approve of all this, 1282 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,851 but she is still your wife. 1283 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,847 And you love her very much. 1284 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,843 Just make sure she knows that, too. 1285 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,565 (footsteps approaching) 1286 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,646 You're up early. 1287 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,127 Mm-hmm. 1288 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,129 Just" 1289 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:54,890 enjoying the quiet. 1290 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,764 Baby's still sleeping. 1291 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,731 You Okay? 1292 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,171 Yeah. 1293 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,090 Just... feeling grateful. 1294 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:14,805 For you. 1295 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,371 For us. 1296 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,403 Yeah. Me, too. 1297 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,891 What would you say if we... 1298 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,684 went out tonight? 1299 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,370 Grabbed some dinner. 1300 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,847 Maybe, uh... maybe a little dancing. 1301 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,331 But just you and me. 1302 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,568 No kids. 1303 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,284 That be crazy? 1304 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,561 Uh... 1305 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,489 - Little bit? - Yeah. 1306 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,762 (chuckling): A little bit. 1307 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,208 Let's do it. 1308 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,766 - Yeah? - Mm-hmm. 1309 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,128 I want to take care of us. 1310 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,166 You and only you. 1311 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,729 Yeah. 1312 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,084 JUDGE: Mr. Hicks, do you understand 1313 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,611 the felony charges that have been 1314 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:15,960 filed against you? 1315 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,445 HICKS: Yes, sir. 1316 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,244 JUDGE: How do you plead? 1317 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,085 HICKS: Guilty, sir. 1318 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,929 (gallery gasping, murmuring) 1319 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,485 JUDGE: This is not the first time 1320 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,364 I've seen you in my courtroom, son. 1321 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,448 I know you thought you'd be walking away today 1322 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,369 with a slap on the wrist, 1323 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,960 but with recent information that's come out in the press, 1324 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,208 well, today you're gonna get some hard time. 1325 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,209 At my discretion, I'm sentencing you 1326 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,766 to a minimum of 15 years 1327 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,609 - at the Joliet State Prison. - (applause) 1328 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,291 - Bailiff, take him away. - (gavel slams) 1329 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,687 LEE: Mr. Hicks. 1330 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,484 Guilty, huh? 1331 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:50,896 We're all guilty of something, reporter, 1332 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,285 but I ain't guilty of this. 1333 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,096 Okay, so then why not maintain your innocence? 1334 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,168 Why cop a plea? 1335 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,647 Your story didn't give me no choice, did it? 1336 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,922 Did your story give me a choice? 1337 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,728 Yes, the courtroom was filled with police officers 1338 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,444 all awaiting the verdict... 1339 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,164 LEE: Excuse me. 1340 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,330 (phone rings) 1341 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,051 - Dubois. - LEE: He pled out, chief. 1342 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,241 15 years. 1343 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,607 I guess your theory panned out, huh? 1344 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,376 - Yeah. -Yeah, I wouldn't want to be Hicks, though. 1345 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,687 The guy's now a cop shooter and a gang informant. 1346 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,325 That's gonna be one tough stretch. 1347 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,408 - Yep. - Ten grafs for page one. 1348 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:35,851 Yeah. Heading back to you. 1349 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,325 All right. 1350 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,408 (playing soft tune) 1351 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,571 You know what I was just thinking? 1352 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,165 Hmm? 1353 01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,804 I miss you. 1354 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,842 I'm right here. 1355 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,365 Yeah? 1356 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,404 I wish I could make it more understandable, 1357 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,090 what I'm going through. 1358 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,090 I feel like I'm on this journey to the most amazing place 1359 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,407 I've ever been, and I can't take you. 1360 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,409 - I... I-I can't even... - (Lee sighs) 1361 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,329 I don't know how to tell you about it. 1362 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,090 I'm sorry. 1363 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,564 (engine shuts off) 1364 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,130 Look, Les, I... 1365 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,242 I understand... 1366 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,362 that all this feels good right now. 1367 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,562 I mean, I went to church. I-l... 1368 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,331 heard the music. 1369 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,728 I get that you want this to be true. 1370 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,565 But what if it's not? 1371 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,324 Wouldn't you want to know that 1372 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,489 before you've dedicated your entire life to it? 1373 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,284 Of course. 1374 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,324 But what if it is? 1375 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,005 What if it is true? 1376 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,610 Wouldn't you want to know that? 1377 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,209 There's a verse that says... (sighs) 1378 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,211 faith is the evidence of things we can't actually see. 1379 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,165 You believe what you can see and touch and feel, 1380 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,681 and I feel this. 1381 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,491 - I can see it. I-I know it. - Les... 1382 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,761 You-you can't. 1383 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,564 But I... 1384 01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,131 I do. 1385 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,561 It's the same way I know I love you. 1386 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,216 Yeah, but that's... that's different, Les. 1387 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:04,366 I'm real. 1388 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:05,806 I'm-I'm... l-I'm a person. 1389 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,524 We-we have a relationship. 1390 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,369 Hon, I know we've been fighting and... 1391 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,530 it's been weird lately, but... 1392 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,529 I... 1393 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,725 I love you more now than I ever have. 1394 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,808 Based on what? 1395 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,569 "Based on what?" 1396 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,840 Honestly, it's since I accepted Jesus. 1397 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,405 My love for you 1398 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,881 has only... it's only grown 1399 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,889 and it's only deepened. 1400 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,288 And if that's not proof of something, 1401 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,044 I don't know what is... 1402 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,288 No, that's not proof of anything, Les. 1403 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,801 That's feelings. It's not proof. 1404 01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,003 And my feelings are a valid experience that-that... 1405 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,606 - Les, I-I... - They're real to me. 1406 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,529 I-I don't like... 1407 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,091 this version of us. 1408 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,680 I don't... I don't like what you're becoming. 1409 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,209 And if I'm looking ahead 1410 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,880 and we're still having this conversation 1411 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,964 five years from now... 1412 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,004 we're having this conversation two years from now... 1413 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,450 I don't want to be there for that. 1414 01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,722 Okay? I won't be. 1415 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,848 I'm gonna check on the kids. 1416 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,841 - ALFIE: We can sit here for a minute. - LESLIE: Okay. 1417 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,176 - Okay. Thank you. Okay. - Okay. 1418 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,168 Alfie, I'm-I'm losing hope. 1419 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:10,441 I'm losing hope for Lee. 1420 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:11,971 I'm losing hope for my marriage. 1421 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,651 Oh, come on, now. It's gonna be okay. 1422 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,524 - It'll be all right. - No, 1423 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,336 - I don't know what to do. - All right, okay. 1424 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,362 I know that it's scary. 1425 01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,050 I do. Trust me. 1426 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,725 I've been there. 1427 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,241 But I can promise you this. 1428 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,921 In His time and in His way, 1429 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,448 God always keeps His promises. 1430 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,370 And what did He promise Ezekiel? 1431 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:40,246 "I will give you a new heart. 1432 01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,250 "I will put a new spirit in you. 1433 01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,648 "I will remove from you your heart of stone 1434 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,163 and give you a heart of flesh." 1435 01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,567 Now, that's a truth you already know. 1436 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,045 Yeah. 1437 01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:59,768 But it's the same truth for Lee. 1438 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,405 You just gotta be patient. 1439 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:02,601 Okay. 1440 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:03,881 Thank you. 1441 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,240 - Thank you. - Oh, come here. 1442 01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:06,805 You're gonna be fine. 1443 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,241 I promise. 1444 01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,729 I promise, I'm praying for both of you. 1445 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,008 ALFIE: Mm-hmm. 1446 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,249 (indistinct chatter) 1447 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,408 Hey, just because they said they saw Jesus 1448 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,045 doesn't mean they actually did. 1449 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,640 - I'm sorry. Was that for me? - (Lee stammers) 1450 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,376 Maybe the eyewitnesses to the Resurrection... 1451 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,243 Maybe they're delusional. You know what I mean? 1452 01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:31,885 Maybe they only thought they saw Jesus. 1453 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,321 Maybe it was, like, mind control or brainwashing. 1454 01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:35,322 Rod! 1455 01:09:35,480 --> 01:09:37,960 You need to see a psychologist. 1456 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,491 Oh, you think I got a screw loose? 1457 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,364 Yeah, well, that's another story. 1458 01:09:41,480 --> 01:09:43,720 But if you're talking about first-century mass psychosis, 1459 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,450 you need to talk to a psychologist. 1460 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,211 I'm already ahead of you. Rod! 1461 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:49,880 - Hey. I need you to find me... - Sorry. 1462 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,371 A good psychologist to interview. 1463 01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:53,016 - A ps-psy... - Psychologist. That's right. 1464 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,361 A guy with... with a lot of academic street cred. 1465 01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:57,369 Knows the human mind better than God does. 1466 01:09:57,480 --> 01:09:58,891 KENNY: No pressure, kid. 1467 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,002 LEE: Don't listen to him. 1468 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,402 ROD: Dr. Roberta Waters, president 1469 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,410 of the American Association of Psychoanalysts, agnostic... 1470 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,363 LEE: Ah, agnostic. Finally. 1471 01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:12,050 ROD: and a leading authority 1472 01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,322 on human behavior at Purdue University. 1473 01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:16,642 LEE: Indiana. Great. 1474 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,729 Dr. Waters. 1475 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,605 Ah. Hello, Mr. Strobel. 1476 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:25,806 As much as I would like 1477 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,729 to help a fellow skeptic, 1478 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,003 what you're proposing is completely impossible. 1479 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,083 But how can you say that? 1480 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,170 I mean, if Charles Manson can turn his followers into... 1481 01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,536 murderous zombies, surely the followers of the Christ cult 1482 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,881 could be convinced of their own delusions. 1483 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,606 Listen, hallucinations are like dreams. 1484 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,081 They happen in individual minds. 1485 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,362 They don't spread like the common cold. 1486 01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,006 Okay, so... a hypnotist 1487 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,487 turns a stage full of insurance salesmen into... 1488 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,244 into clucking chickens... Then that's... 1489 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,362 that's not really happening or...? 1490 01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,409 No, of course it is. 1491 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,205 The power of suggestion can be very profound. 1492 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,045 But it's one thing to be mesmerized 1493 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,288 into making animal noises. 1494 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,721 It's quite another for 500 people 1495 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,888 to have the same dream. 1496 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,685 To be honest, that would be an even bigger miracle 1497 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,609 than the Resurrection itself. 1498 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,405 And without an empty tomb, 1499 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,649 you and I, we're not even having this conversation. 1500 01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,161 If Jesus recovered from his injuries, 1501 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:26,884 that solves that problem. 1502 01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,810 All these people could have easily seen him, yes? 1503 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,969 Yes, but I'm afraid that's not a brain issue. 1504 01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,651 You need to speak to a medical doctor. 1505 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,003 Of course. 1506 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,964 Dr. Waters, again, thank you for your time. 1507 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,844 You've been most gracious. 1508 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,249 Before you go, may I ask you something? 1509 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:49,885 Sure. 1510 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,764 It's about your father. 1511 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,009 I'm just curious what your relationship 1512 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:56,571 with him is like. 1513 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,444 (chuckles) 1514 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,289 Um... 1515 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,689 Complicated. 1516 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,285 Let me guess. 1517 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,051 Distant, cold, doesn't give much affirmation 1518 01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,685 or express love? 1519 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,530 Guilty on all charges. 1520 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:14,841 Why? 1521 01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,689 I imagine, as a skeptic, 1522 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,168 you're familiar with history's great names in atheism. 1523 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,806 Hume, Nietzsche, Sartre, Freud. 1524 01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,968 Of course, yes. Some of my greatest heroes. 1525 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,050 Did you know that all of them had a father 1526 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:29,764 who either died when they were young, 1527 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,291 abandoned them, 1528 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,767 was physically or emotionally abusive? 1529 01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,325 In the world of therapy, 1530 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,807 it's called a father wound. 1531 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,284 No, I... I was not aware of that. 1532 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,165 But with all due respect, Dr. Waters, 1533 01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,408 I did not have a loving father, but that doesn't mean 1534 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,409 that I have a problem with those who do. 1535 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,569 What I have a problem with is some made-up loving father. 1536 01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,768 If God was real... 1537 01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,403 I could accept that He loves me. 1538 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,609 I just don't believe He is. 1539 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,609 I don't disagree. 1540 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,007 Well, unfortunately, 1541 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,088 my wife does. 1542 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,567 The problems that it's currently causing my marriage 1543 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,011 are very real. 1544 01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,009 Again... 1545 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:16,810 thank you. 1546 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,604 LESLIE: "I will give you a new heart 1547 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,245 "and put a new spirit in you. 1548 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,611 "I will remove from you your heart of stone 1549 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,927 and give you a heart of flesh." 1550 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,327 "I will give you a new heart 1551 01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:38,966 "and put a new spirit in you. 1552 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,687 "I will remove from you your heart of stone 1553 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,326 and give you a heart of flesh." 1554 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,688 [♪♪] 1555 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,768 LEE (muttering): Oh, interview... 1556 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:11,570 Alexander Metherell. 1557 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:12,920 (clicks tongue) 1558 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,610 Found you. 1559 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,205 California. 1560 01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,926 Better than Wisconsin. 1561 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,804 (clears throat) Uh, Mr. Strobel? 1562 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,570 - Yeah? - You have a visitor. 1563 01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,047 Hey. Officer Koblinsky. 1564 01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:29,161 How you feeling? 1565 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,691 Eh, getting there. 1566 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,211 Good. Thanks, Rod. 1567 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,931 Just wanted to come by and, uh, you know, 1568 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,930 say thanks for the story, for telling the truth. 1569 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,769 Yeah, well, it's my job 1570 01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,882 and, uh, in this case, my pleasure. 1571 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,365 Yeah. 1572 01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:45,767 So, you got everything you need on Hicks? 1573 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,405 Wrapping the story up? 1574 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,443 Yeah, well, that's... that's all done. 1575 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,530 Uh, you don't have to worry about him shooting anyone 1576 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,883 - for another, uh, 15 years. Ooh. -Uh, 1577 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,729 still have bullet fragments in my spleen. 1578 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,161 - Ah, right, I forgot. - Yeah. 1579 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,089 Price for doing my job, I guess, huh? 1580 01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,202 Right. 1581 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,440 - Thanks again, Strobel. - Yeah. Feel better. 1582 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,648 [♪♪] 1583 01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,608 (muttering quietly) 1584 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,011 [♪♪] 1585 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,488 Not sure why you want to do this now. 1586 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,045 Hicks has already been sentenced. 1587 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,527 Just humor me, Marlow. 1588 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,642 LEE: And here's what's weird. 1589 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:13,921 He's got... 1590 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,805 bullet fragments in his spleen, 1591 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,730 but the entry wound is up here. 1592 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,002 It's-it's as if... it's as if the weapon barrel 1593 01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,690 was pointing inside the breast pocket. 1594 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,496 Yeah, you can see the powder burns right there. 1595 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,409 Now, a couple years back, 1596 01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,176 I was doing research on concealed weapons. 1597 01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:30,611 People disguising firearms 1598 01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,087 as cigarette lighters, belt buckles. 1599 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,691 That's a pen. 1600 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,484 It's a writing utensil. 1601 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:38,840 LEE: ls it? 1602 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:47,761 What is that? 1603 01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,490 Spent shell casing. 1604 01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,525 That, Mr. Marlow, is a gun. 1605 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,642 That is a... 1606 01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,604 a .22-caliber pen gun. 1607 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,125 Look at that right there. 1608 01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,481 That's what shot Koblinsky. 1609 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,045 This is illegal, for any cop 1610 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,481 to carry a weapon like this while on duty. 1611 01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,051 How could nobody have seen this? 1612 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:10,924 'Cause nobody was looking for it. 1613 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,280 Koblinsky had a secret. 1614 01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:14,522 He played the victim card, and I bought it. 1615 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,642 Well, so did the cops. 1616 01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,330 Unbelievable. 1617 01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:19,885 He's actually innocent. 1618 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,729 He was wrongfully prosecuted, is what he is. 1619 01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:23,205 You gotta get back to that judge. 1620 01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:24,765 You gotta get Hicks out of lockup. 1621 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,120 Can you get this stuff in... 1622 01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,925 I got it. I got it. Just, you go. 1623 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:31,845 DUBOIS: How could you miss this?! 1624 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,331 LEE: Koblinsky played me. 1625 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:34,930 No. 1626 01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,123 You let yourself get played, Mr. Best Seller. 1627 01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,891 And you put the integrity of this paper at risk, 1628 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,971 not to mention putting an innocent man in harm's way. 1629 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,447 Whatever's been distracting you lately, 1630 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,762 it got in the way of your reporting. 1631 01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,645 Now, go write me a retraction. 1632 01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,809 I gotta call downstairs and have them hold the presses 1633 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,968 so we can remake A-1. 1634 01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,605 Yes, sir. 1635 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,367 After this, um... 1636 01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:07,165 I'd like to take a few personal days, if I could. 1637 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,282 Take more than that. 1638 01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,243 DUBOIS: Get me Production. 1639 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:18,810 PREACHER: Leslie Strobel, 1640 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,964 today is very much like a wedding ceremony. 1641 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,846 By taking the step of baptism, you are publicly proclaiming 1642 01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,883 that you are a follower of Jesus. 1643 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,002 Do you believe He is your Savior 1644 01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,770 and died for your sins? 1645 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,087 I do. 1646 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:38,125 PREACHER: And is it your desire to make that belief public 1647 01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,208 b)' being baptized? 1648 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:41,964 Yes. Yes, it is. 1649 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,844 PREACHER: Then... 1650 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,804 it is my privilege to baptize you 1651 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,891 in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 1652 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,321 [♪♪] 1653 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,481 (car engine revving) 1654 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,764 (tires screech) 1655 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,291 (engine shuts off) 1656 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,130 Thank God. 1657 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,565 Where were you? 1658 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,130 I was just out celebrating on my own. 1659 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,527 - Okay. -And then I remembered that I need to go 1660 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,563 to Los Angeles tomorrow, so I have to pack a bag. 1661 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,245 No, no, no, no. Los Angeles? No, no. 1662 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:50,805 What happened today? 1663 01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,285 - You left. You left. - Uh-huh. 1664 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,056 - What happened? - Well, I didn't want to... 1665 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,526 I didn't want to interrupt the wedding festivities. 1666 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,768 It's... that's a big deal. Congrats. 1667 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,564 - It's a metaphor. - Uh-huh. 1668 01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,016 You know what a metaphor is, right? 1669 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,256 You're a smart guy, Lee, right? 1670 01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:04,856 - Married to Jesus. Yep. - Hey. Come here. 1671 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,166 Come here. Listen to me. 1672 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,482 Today was important to me. You know that. 1673 01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,250 I don't understand how you could just... 1674 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,520 - That makes two of us, Leslie. - Lee, I'm trying here! 1675 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,216 - I know you're trying. - I'm trying... Hey, listen! 1676 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:15,605 I know you're trying. 1677 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,484 - I can feel you trying, Leslie. - Can you? 1678 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,250 I am. I'm trying. I'm tr... 1679 01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,249 Behind closed doors every day, hoping 1680 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:22,964 - and praying that you can... - Yeah. 1681 01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,367 Fix me up so I'm good enough for the Almighty. 1682 01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:26,976 - Is that what you want? - You need to leave. 1683 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,416 - I'm not gonna go. - You need to sleep it off. 1684 01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:29,896 - I'm not gonna leave my own house. - Sleep it off. 1685 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,216 - Sleep it off. - No. This is my house! 1686 01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:32,376 - I'm not gonna leave! - Lee, get out! 1687 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,607 - It's my house! It's my family! - Get out! 1688 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,643 Daddy, stop being mean to Mommy. 1689 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,576 - Alison, what are you doing? Get upstairs now! -LESLIE: Hey. 1690 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,364 - Keep your voice down! - Go! 1691 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,330 - (baby crying) -You just go to California. Just go. 1692 01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:47,041 You and only you, hon, right?! 1693 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,728 You and only you. 1694 01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,726 Until something better comes along. 1695 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,768 [♪♪] 1696 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,684 LEE: Hi. 1697 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,284 Daddy's sorry. 1698 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,001 Daddy's sorry. 1699 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,088 He didn't mean to scare you. 1700 01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:34,044 Hi. 1701 01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,168 [♪♪] 1702 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,808 (door creaks) 1703 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,929 (tires screech) 1704 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,968 [♪♪] 1705 01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:24,090 LESLIE: Father... 1706 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,567 give Lee a new heart. 1707 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,887 Put a new spirit in him. 1708 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,729 Remove from him his heart of stone 1709 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,848 and give him a heart of flesh. 1710 01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,643 METHERELL: So, forgive me for making you 1711 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,603 travel all the way out here, but... 1712 01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,042 when someone rings me up and says he wants to dispute 1713 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,282 the most significant event in human history, 1714 01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,641 I feel it's important that we do it face-to-face. 1715 01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,171 - Don't you? - Yeah, that's fine. 1716 01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,089 I, uh... l-| appreciate your time. 1717 01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,647 (clears throat) So, my line of attack is this: 1718 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,091 The reason the eyewitnesses 1719 01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,851 were able to see Jesus after Golgotha 1720 01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,327 is because he never died on the cross. 1721 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:16,480 Because, if he doesn't die, there's no resurrection. 1722 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:17,851 - Yes? - That's right. 1723 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,566 So... so, whether or not Jesus himself or, uh... 1724 01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,560 or someone else took him off of the cross early 1725 01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,126 or if he fakes his own death, it doesn't matter. 1726 01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,481 It completely discounts every aspect of the Resurrection. 1727 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:28,965 Right. The swoon theory. 1728 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,969 Yeah, well, he passed out. He didn't die. 1729 01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,447 I'm afraid there's a long line of skeptics in front of you 1730 01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:34,891 with that hypothesis. 1731 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,480 Including only a billion Muslims the world over 1732 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,841 who also don't believe that Jesus died on the cross 1733 01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,166 because the Koran says so. 1734 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,408 With all due respect to Islam, 1735 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,807 the Koran was written six centuries after Christ. 1736 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,331 I prefer my historical sources 1737 01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,056 - a bit closer to actual events, yeah? - I understand. 1738 01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,082 But-but you concede that it's possible. 1739 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:52,645 (Metherell chuckles) 1740 01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,481 Mr. Strobel, I am a medical doctor and a scientist. 1741 01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,489 I have seen a great many strange phenomenon 1742 01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:59,965 - in my lifetime. - Mm-hmm. 1743 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,560 But the swoon theory is rubbish. 1744 01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,961 (chuckles) "Rubbish." 1745 01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,208 That's a... is that a... a medical opinion? 1746 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,368 (chuckles) Yeah. It is, actually. 1747 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,045 Um... 1748 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,527 swoon theorists tend to skim over the fact 1749 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,326 that Jesus was flogged prior to his crucifixion. 1750 01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:19,488 Do you know what happens in a Roman flogging? 1751 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,764 Um, yeah, the person is lashed with a whip. 1752 01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,008 No, not lashed. 1753 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,209 Scourged and pummeled savagely. 1754 01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,288 You see, the... the cowhide whip 1755 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,880 is braided with metal balls and bone fragments. 1756 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,482 The flesh on Jesus' back would've been shredded. 1757 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,490 The very muscles and sinews themselves 1758 01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:41,931 laid open to exposure. 1759 01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,725 The flogging itself would have left Jesus 1760 01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,127 in critical condition from massive blood loss. 1761 01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,846 Which is why he collapsed under the weight of the cross 1762 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,928 that the Romans made him carry through town. 1763 01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,487 Mm-hmm. Okay, so is it possible 1764 01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,080 that Jesus survives being spiked to the cross? 1765 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,043 Well, yes, you could survive it, 1766 01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:01,764 but it's child's play 1767 01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,929 compared to what comes next in a crucifixion. 1768 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,726 Slow, agonizing death by asphyxiation. 1769 01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,569 Come with me. 1770 01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:16,171 The stress on Jesus' chest muscles 1771 01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,568 would have locked his lungs into the inhale position. 1772 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,126 Right, so in order to let the breath out, 1773 01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,846 he would have had to shove himself up 1774 01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,122 using his spiked wrists and feet, 1775 01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,164 scraping his shredded back against the wood of the cross. 1776 01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,203 And then sagged back down again 1777 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,084 in order to draw his next breath, 1778 01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:35,770 which he would have had to have done 1779 01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,962 over and over and over again 1780 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,482 until utter exhaustion just made it impossible. 1781 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,489 And then, inevitably... 1782 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,682 He dies. Uh, in... in theory. 1783 01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,211 But let's-let's remember, 1784 01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,482 these soldiers, they're not doctors, okay? 1785 01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,329 So maybe, uh... 1786 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:53,204 maybe they took him off the cross and they... 1787 01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,482 they thought he was dead but, in fact, he wasn't. 1788 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,648 No, of course they weren't medical doctors. 1789 01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,125 They were professional killers. 1790 01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,083 Right, and they were quite good at their jobs. 1791 01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,044 They had to be. If a prisoner escaped alive, 1792 01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:05,969 they themselves would be executed. 1793 01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,641 (sighs) Mr. Strobel, the crucifixion of Jesus 1794 01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,003 is one of the best-attested events in the ancient world. 1795 01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:17,011 And, if you will, the final nail in the coffin 1796 01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,487 in the swoon theory is this: 1797 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,170 When the soldiers thrust their spear 1798 01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,322 between Jesus' ribs, do you know what came out? 1799 01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:25,204 Blood and water. 1800 01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:26,845 Which we now know 1801 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,167 is a description of pericardial effusion 1802 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:30,770 as a result of death by asphyxiation. 1803 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:34,123 This is not a condition anyone could fake. 1804 01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,049 And so, to answer your question, 1805 01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,891 yes, it is my medical opinion 1806 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,416 that Jesus Christ died on that cross. 1807 01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:41,680 WOMAN: Excuse me, Doctor? 1808 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,922 - I just need your signature. - One moment. 1809 01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,168 Yeah, but-but-but... I got a... 1810 01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,009 I-I have a real problem 1811 01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,168 with most of the experts that I've talked to here. 1812 01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,886 - Which is? - (sighs) 1813 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,764 Which is that most of them are not impartial. 1814 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,291 And if I'm gonna take a guess, 1815 01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:58,522 I would say that you are not, either. 1816 01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,642 And you would be correct, sir. 1817 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,411 Though I have learned that most impartial travelers 1818 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,251 who undertake this journey 1819 01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:07,691 rarely remain so. 1820 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,962 However, I can refer you 1821 01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,088 to one of the most impartial sources that I know. 1822 01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:13,645 Would you trust 1823 01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,649 the Journal of the American Medical Association? 1824 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,364 (chuckles) 1825 01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:18,811 Of course. 1826 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,566 It is a stellar scientific journal. 1827 01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,364 Even I will admit that. 1828 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,486 - "On the Physical Death of Jesus." -Mm-hmm. 1829 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,241 "Clearly, the weight of the medical and historical evidence 1830 01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:35,046 "indicates that Jesus was dead before the wound 1831 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,128 "to his side was inflicted. 1832 01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,766 "Accordingly, interpretations based on the assumption 1833 01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,167 "that Jesus did not die on the cross 1834 01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,806 "appear to be at odds 1835 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,082 with modern medical knowledge." 1836 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,688 Doc, I gotta tell you, you're, uh... 1837 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,371 you're not telling me what I hoped to hear today. 1838 01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,444 (pager beeping) 1839 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,242 (phone ringing) 1840 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:08,486 Lee? 1841 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:09,726 Hey, it's me. 1842 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:10,840 Everything all right? 1843 01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:12,251 Kids okay? 1844 01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,601 LESLIE: Sweetheart... 1845 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,007 it's your father. 1846 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,202 MINISTER: "My help comes from the Lord, 1847 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,203 "the Maker of Heaven and Earth. 1848 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,408 "He will not let your foot slip. 1849 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,410 "He who watches over you will not slumber. 1850 01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,251 "Indeed, He who watches over Israel 1851 01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,806 "will neither slumber nor sleep. 1852 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,002 "The Lord watches over you. 1853 01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,169 "The Lord is your shade at your right hand. 1854 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,171 "The sun will not harm you by day, nor the moon by night. 1855 01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,090 "The Lord will keep you from all harm. 1856 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,089 "He will watch over your life. 1857 01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,885 "The Lord will watch over your coming and going 1858 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,891 both now and forevermore." 1859 01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,209 In the name of the Father and the Son 1860 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,288 and the Holy Spirit. 1861 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,728 (quiet chatter) 1862 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,171 [♪♪] 1863 01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:43,730 (sniffles quietly) 1864 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,328 (footsteps approaching) 1865 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:25,765 You Okay? 1866 01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,481 Did you know he had this in his wallet? 1867 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,609 Yes. 1868 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,610 (sniffling) 1869 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,645 You know, your father, 1870 01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,082 he was proud of everything you ever accomplished. 1871 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,365 Look, he didn't know how to say it very well, 1872 01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:57,164 but he loved you, son. 1873 01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,964 (sniffles) 1874 01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,766 He really loved you. 1875 01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:17,851 Okay? 1876 01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,167 (footsteps departing) 1877 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,490 [♪♪] 1878 01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,002 (crying softly) 1879 01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,208 (sobs) 1880 01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,840 REPORTER (over radio): 80 nations were represented... 1881 01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,564 LEE: I'm going camping, 1882 01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,126 and I'm bringing an apple... 1883 01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,925 - (baby crying) - a banana... 1884 01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,247 and a chinchilla. 1885 01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,284 I'm going camping, and I'm gonna bring an apple... 1886 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,051 - (Lee shushing) - a banana, uh... 1887 01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:23,525 - ls he okay? - Mm-hmm. 1888 01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,170 ALISON: whatever you said and... 1889 01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,850 - A chinchilla. - A chinchilla... 1890 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,536 REPORTER: savagely beaten in a prison fight 1891 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,016 - at Cook County Jail today. - And a donkey. -Sweetie, 1892 01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:31,616 - hold on, hold on, hold on. - Sources inside the prison 1893 01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,529 say Hicks was targeted by gang members 1894 01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:34,846 as a result of recent news 1895 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,008 identifying him as a police informant. 1896 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:38,929 It is believed that the prison guards 1897 01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,202 did little to protect Hicks, 1898 01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,607 a fate not uncommon for cop shooters. 1899 01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,007 Hicks was immediately taken to Mercy Hospital, 1900 01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:47,844 where he's in serious condition. 1901 01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,442 Elsewhere in Chicago, the wind is expected to kick up 1902 01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,200 this evening over the lake and continue... 1903 01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:54,725 (radio shuts off) 1904 01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,046 (machines whirring, beeping) 1905 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,008 (indistinct radio communication) 1906 01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,322 How's... how's he doing? 1907 01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:26,488 Been in and out. 1908 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:27,761 Mostly out. 1909 01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:42,331 Mr. Hicks? 1910 01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,246 Mr. Hicks, it's Lee Strobel. 1911 01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,447 Just wanted to say that, um... 1912 01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,000 that it's my fault. 1913 01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:05,406 (sniffles) 1914 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,524 I... 1915 01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:12,486 I'm... I missed the... the truth. 1916 01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,006 I'm-I'm sorry. 1917 01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,327 I just... l-| didn't see it. 1918 01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:19,010 (sniffles) 1919 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,010 HICKS (softly): You didn't want to see it. 1920 01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:26,682 What's that? 1921 01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,485 You didn't want to see it. 1922 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:39,684 LEE: I've hit a brick Wall. 1923 01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:41,640 I have read through every book you've given me. 1924 01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,045 I've gone through every argument. 1925 01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:44,685 I've followed every lead. 1926 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,723 At some point, young man, you're going to have 1927 01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:48,888 to plant your flag on a mountain of uncertainty, 1928 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,764 where not every question is answered. 1929 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,804 The human mind will never get to the bottom 1930 01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,400 of every mystery in the cosmos. 1931 01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,127 Believing in God, not believing in God... 1932 01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:04,404 Either way, still takes a leap of faith. 1933 01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,443 So you're saying, 1934 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,370 even in our disbelief, 1935 01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:12,290 that we still take a leap of faith. 1936 01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,562 More or less. 1937 01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:20,406 Me, well, I've come to my own conclusion. 1938 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:23,126 You're gonna have to do the same thing for yourself. 1939 01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:37,770 What are you doing here? 1940 01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:39,325 I thought you were banished. 1941 01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:41,090 (chuckles) 1942 01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,360 Hey. 1943 01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:48,204 What's the matter? 1944 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,365 You people and your God. 1945 01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:53,562 You just... you know, you talk in circles. 1946 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,445 You offer... you offer just enough evidence 1947 01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,364 but never enough to be conclusive. 1948 01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,045 Then you fill in all the gaps with, 1949 01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,242 "Oh, well, yeah, you just gotta have faith." 1950 01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,402 It's a bunch of nonsense. 1951 01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:07,849 You're really irritating, you know that? 1952 01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:08,960 (Lee groans) 1953 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,804 Don't start with me, Kenny. 1954 01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,571 You don't waste a lick of time 1955 01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,809 bragging to all of us how great a reporter you are. 1956 01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,321 So, why can't you put up or shut up on this story? 1957 01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,090 What are you even talking about? 1958 01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,249 Here's where the chili meets the cheese, my friend. 1959 01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,249 One of my heroes was C.S. Lewis, 1960 01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,250 a man who began as a skeptic, much like yourself. 1961 01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,011 At the end of his journey, you know what he said? 1962 01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,600 He said, if Christianity is false, 1963 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,882 it's of zero importance. 1964 01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,367 But if it's true, 1965 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,285 there's nothing more important in the entire universe. 1966 01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,125 So, you want your wife back? 1967 01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,296 Well, hey, guess what, people in hell want ice water. 1968 01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,687 Not everybody gets everything they want. 1969 01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:50,881 (slams table) 1970 01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,002 Stop blaming me 1971 01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,731 and the Church and God, and do your job. 1972 01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,050 Stack up the evidence, follow the facts, 1973 01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,130 and write the story, win or lose. 1974 01:37:10,440 --> 01:37:11,851 Good night. 1975 01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:19,408 [♪♪] 1976 01:37:22,440 --> 01:37:23,965 LESLIE: Father, please... 1977 01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,889 please soften Lee's heart. 1978 01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,002 Put a new spirit in him. 1979 01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:29,849 Remove from him his heart of stone, 1980 01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:31,928 and give him a heart of flesh. 1981 01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:34,928 [♪♪] 1982 01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,565 LEE: The only way to truth is through facts. 1983 01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,045 KENNY: The entire Christian faith 1984 01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:52,889 hinges on the resurrection of Jesus. 1985 01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:54,496 If it didn't happen, it's a house of cards. 1986 01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:55,931 HABERMAS: No, you just have to show 1987 01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:57,376 that Jesus died and he was seen afterwards. 1988 01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:58,845 LEE: How can we be sure 1989 01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:00,496 of the reliability of those manuscripts? 1990 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:01,856 MARQUEZ: Archaeologists have recovered 1991 01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,123 5,843 Greek New Testament manuscripts. 1992 01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,481 Nothing else in history even comes close. 1993 01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:08,976 METHERELL: Would you trust the Journal 1994 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:10,656 - of the American Medical Association? - LEE: Yes. 1995 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:12,360 METHERELL: Jesus Christ died on that cross. 1996 01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,016 LEE: You're not telling me what I hoped to hear today. 1997 01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:15,080 LESLIE: What if it is true? 1998 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:16,440 Wouldn't you want to know that? 1999 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:17,656 CRAIG: The first recorded account tells us 2000 01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:18,886 that he was buried in a tomb. 2001 01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,162 The empty tomb is based on evidence. 2002 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:22,441 Isn't evidence your trade? 2003 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:23,800 LESLIE: Faith is the evidence 2004 01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:25,240 of things we can't actually see. 2005 01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:26,576 CRAIG: Any careful historian will see 2006 01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:27,965 that the core account is consistent 2007 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,526 even if a... a few of the secondary details 2008 01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,369 are told from different perspectives. 2009 01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:36,280 HABERMAS: 500 separate people saw Jesus at the same time. 2010 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,289 WATERS: That would be an even bigger miracle 2011 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:39,731 than the Resurrection itself. 2012 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,056 CRAIG: The disciples reported what actually happened. 2013 01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:42,296 LEE: People with zero motivation to lie. 2014 01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:43,896 CRAIG: Do you really want to know the truth? 2015 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,490 When is enough evidence enough evidence? 2016 01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:46,976 LESLIE: I felt something that is maybe more real 2017 01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:48,456 than anything I've ever felt in my life. 2018 01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:50,456 METHERELL: This is not a condition anyone could fake. 2019 01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:52,528 RAY: Still takes a leap of faith. 2020 01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,927 LEE: But why would he do it? 2021 01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:01,010 MARQUEZ: It's really very simple. 2022 01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,208 Love. 2023 01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,288 [♪♪] 2024 01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:24,408 [♪♪] 2025 01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,849 All right, God. 2026 01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,607 (gulps) 2027 01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,449 You win. 2028 01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:57,444 (door opens) 2029 01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,761 - Hey- - Hey- 2030 01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:07,925 Are you okay? 2031 01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:09,087 Yeah. 2032 01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:10,804 Yeah, I'm fine. 2033 01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:12,524 How's he doing? 2034 01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:14,165 Good. 2035 01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:15,845 All right. Come over here. 2036 01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:17,803 I want to talk to you for a second. 2037 01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:21,849 Are you... are you sure you're okay? 2038 01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:31,169 So, I have not been, um... 2039 01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:34,727 completely honest with you over the last few months. 2040 01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:37,485 That's a really scary way 2041 01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,807 - to start a conversation. - I... Just-just-just... 2042 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:41,684 hang with me here, okay? 2043 01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:45,606 When you became a Christian, 2044 01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,371 - I freaked out. I mean... - Mm-hmm. 2045 01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,000 Yeah, I was scared, um... 2046 01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:56,728 And I felt like that I needed to, um... 2047 01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:58,410 to save you. 2048 01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,649 And so I decided to set out 2049 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,730 to prove this was all a big con. 2050 01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,811 And so that's what I've been doing all this time. 2051 01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:12,291 Your research? 2052 01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,084 Yeah. I-I mean, look at this. 2053 01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:15,884 It's... this is all... 2054 01:41:17,480 --> 01:41:18,811 all that stuff. 2055 01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:21,731 That's why I've been so distracted. 2056 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,968 That's why I went to California. 2057 01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:27,050 I just had to prove this whole thing wrong. 2058 01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:31,166 But I couldn't. 2059 01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,720 The evidence for your faith... 2060 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,805 it's more overwhelming than I could've ever imagined. 2061 01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,931 But it wasn't just the evidence, okay? 2062 01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,291 It was you. 2063 01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:58,564 You never stopped loving me. 2064 01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,842 You never gave up on me. 2065 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,248 And I think, because of that, 2066 01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:07,966 God didn't, either. 2067 01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:10,525 (Leslie chuckles) 2068 01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,961 Wh... (laughs) 2069 01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:15,080 What? 2070 01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:16,764 I mean, I don't... 2071 01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,689 I don't think God gave up on you, either, 2072 01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:22,282 but what... (laughing): what are you saying? 2073 01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,085 (chuckling): Uh... I can't even fathom 2074 01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,811 that I'm gonna say these words out loud. 2075 01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:33,564 I believe. 2076 01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,846 Oh, hey, hey. 2077 01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:50,440 Okay. Let me show you something. 2078 01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,887 Show you... (sniffles) 2079 01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,884 "But as many as received Him, 2080 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:03,721 to them He gave the right to become children of God." 2081 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:05,365 LEE: Mm-hmm. 2082 01:43:05,480 --> 01:43:08,165 "To those who believe in His name." 2083 01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,164 And what does that mean? 2084 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,648 (chuckles) That... means... 2085 01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,011 Believe... 2086 01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,805 plus receive... 2087 01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,730 equals become. 2088 01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:32,130 (inhales deeply) Okay. Um... 2089 01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:35,050 So, then, how do I... how do I receive? 2090 01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,960 What do I... What's-what's the protocol for, uh... for that? 2091 01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:40,923 There's no wrong way or right way. 2092 01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,566 Just... you. 2093 01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:45,489 - You talk to God. - Mm-hmm. 2094 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,170 You tell Him your heart. 2095 01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,243 Mm-hmm. 2096 01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:52,365 A-And we do that right now? 2097 01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:54,209 I mean, shouldn't we go to church or...? 2098 01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,209 - Mm-mm. Mm-mm. - (Lee chuckling) 2099 01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,049 Right here, right now. 2100 01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,242 - This is church. - Okay. 2101 01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:02,408 Come here. 2102 01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,127 (sighs heavily) 2103 01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:16,521 (sniffles) 2104 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,645 God, um... 2105 01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:27,891 Mm... 2106 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,721 I have no idea what I'm doing. 2107 01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,569 (chuckles softly) 2108 01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:42,731 But I cannot ignore the evidence. 2109 01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,565 And I don't know everything. 2110 01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:52,131 Uh, I-| never will know everything. 2111 01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:56,040 Um, but I... 2112 01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,640 I know enough. 2113 01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:00,842 And I believe it. 2114 01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,521 And I'm sorry for what I've... 2115 01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,166 what I've put my wife through, 2116 01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:11,086 um, for what I put my family through, uh... 2117 01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,640 But I believe You're real, 2118 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:17,603 and I don't know what comes next. 2119 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,007 I don't know... 2120 01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:21,804 I don't know what it means. 2121 01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,486 I just know that I want... I want that. 2122 01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,843 I want... I want whatever's next. 2123 01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:29,166 Um... 2124 01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,408 So let's do that. 2125 01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,249 Amen. 2126 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,409 (sniffles) 2127 01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,403 Amen. 2128 01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:44,650 LESLIE: Thank you. 2129 01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,285 (sniffles) 2130 01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:49,205 I guess I'm crazy, too. (chuckles) 2131 01:45:57,240 --> 01:45:59,607 Pitching him today. 2132 01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:01,681 Don't blow it. 2133 01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,246 Watch this. 2134 01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:05,361 (knock at door) 2135 01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:07,369 I got a pitch for you. 2136 01:46:07,480 --> 01:46:09,084 (Dubois grunts) 2137 01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,407 Well, that didn't last long. 2138 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,363 Piece of junk. 2139 01:46:13,480 --> 01:46:15,005 You hear about Hicks? 2140 01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:16,451 Released from the hospital. 2141 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,166 No longer a resident of Crook County Jail. 2142 01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:20,725 I did. That's great news. 2143 01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:21,841 Mm. 2144 01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:25,771 (rustling) 2145 01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:27,848 (chuckles) 2146 01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:29,769 Come on, this is a joke, right? 2147 01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:30,881 No. No, it's not. 2148 01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,411 I-I-I-I want to do 2149 01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:35,126 a first-person feature story, okay? 2150 01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:36,805 An odyssey. 2151 01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,402 Uh, one man's journey from skepticism to faith. 2152 01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:41,646 Forget it, Lee. 2153 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,250 (laughing): I mean... 2154 01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:44,964 good for you, I guess, but... 2155 01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,765 we can't publish something like this. 2156 01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,888 We'd lose all credibility. So would you. 2157 01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,241 I really wish that you would reconsider. 2158 01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:54,328 Stick to what you know, Lee. Go on, now. 2159 01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:55,726 Get out of here. 2160 01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:57,968 Not until you've at least heard me out. 2161 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,966 - ALISON: Hi, Daddy. - LEE: Hey, you. How are you? 2162 01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:03,127 ALISON: Good. 2163 01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:04,924 - LESLIE: Hi. - LEE: Hi. 2164 01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,010 - 30? - (Lee sighs) 2165 01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:10,886 Dubois said no. 2166 01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,321 - He did? - Yeah. 2167 01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:16,205 - LESLIE: Oh, no. Sorry, hon. - ALISON: I did it! I did it! 2168 01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:17,924 LEE: What did you did? 2169 01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,407 ALISON: I can finally reach the faucet. 2170 01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,887 - LEE: Oh, my Lord. - ALISON: I'm tall enough now. 2171 01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,805 LEE: Look at you! You're a big girl now. 2172 01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,361 Oh, no, you need to stop that. That means you're growing up. 2173 01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:30,084 You're not our little girl anymore. 2174 01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:33,363 It's not that big of a deal, Daddy. 2175 01:47:33,480 --> 01:47:36,006 I think it's a big deal. 2176 01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:37,360 Hey, how 'bout a book? 2177 01:47:37,480 --> 01:47:39,244 A What? 2178 01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:41,806 Instead of an article, how 'bout a book? 2179 01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:45,571 LEE: What do you think about that? 2180 01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:47,096 - ALISON: Yeah! Definitely! - LEE: Yeah? 2181 01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:48,201 (Lee chuckles) 2182 01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,048 [♪♪] 2183 01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,568 [♪♪] 2184 01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,128 (ding) 2185 01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:26,529 (ding) 2186 01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,007 [♪♪] 2187 01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:06,001 [♪♪] 2188 01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:21,203 ♪ 'Cause I have seen ♪ 2189 01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:26,360 ♪ Heaven's door is open to me ♪ 2190 01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:32,007 ♪ And I have shook to the bones ♪ 2191 01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,010 ♪ And I've seen your face ♪ 2192 01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:41,765 ♪ As I lay on the floor ♪ 2193 01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:46,044 ♪ And I have cried ♪ 2194 01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,281 ♪ And I have sought ♪ 2195 01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:53,210 ♪ Like a beggar in my soul ♪ 2196 01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,563 ♪ Like a beggar in the world ♪ 2197 01:49:56,680 --> 01:50:03,245 ♪ Just to find you, Lord ♪ 2198 01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:06,569 ♪ 'Cause, Lord, I believe ♪ 2199 01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,923 ♪ Help me believe ♪ 2200 01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:11,764 ♪ Lord, I can see ♪ 2201 01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:16,044 ♪ But I still can't see clearly ♪ 2202 01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:18,367 ♪ Lord, I believe ♪ 2203 01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:21,802 ♪ Would you help me believe ♪ 2204 01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:28,451 ♪ 'Cause I want it so bad ♪ 2205 01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:34,801 ♪ 'Cause I want it so bad... ♪ 2206 01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:41,121 ♪ 'Cause I want it so bad ♪ 2207 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:43,282 ♪ Like a beggar in my soul ♪ 2208 01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,449 ♪ Like a beggar in the world ♪ 2209 01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:52,681 ♪ Just to find you, Lord ♪ 2210 01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,646 ♪ 'Cause, Lord, I believe ♪ 2211 01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:59,411 ♪ Help me believe ♪ 2212 01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,966 ♪ Lord, I can see ♪ 2213 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,607 ♪ But I still can't see clearly ♪ 2214 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,809 ♪ Lord, I believe ♪ 2215 01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:12,003 ♪ Would you help me believe ♪ 2216 01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:18,241 ♪ 'Cause I want it so bad ♪ 2217 01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:21,688 ♪ Yeah, ah ♪ 2218 01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:24,644 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 2219 01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,650 ♪ Yeah, ah ♪ 2220 01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,843 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 2221 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,930 ♪ Yeah, ah ♪ 2222 01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,890 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 2223 01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:43,321 ♪ 'Cause I want it so bad ♪ 2224 01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:49,447 ♪ 'Cause I want it so bad... ♪ 2225 01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:55,806 ♪ 'Cause I want it so bad ♪ 2226 01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,526 ♪ Like a beggar in my soul ♪ 2227 01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:01,769 ♪ Like a beggar in the world ♪ 2228 01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:06,568 ♪ Just to find you, Lord. ♪ 2229 01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:13,761 (song ends) 2230 01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:21,567 [♪♪] 2231 01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:53,761 [♪♪] 2232 01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,207 [♪♪] 2233 01:53:27,305 --> 01:53:33,316 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/9ukbk Help other users to choose the best subtitles 150317