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For the past few years, Ricky
Gervais, Stephen Merchant, and Karl Pilkington
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have been meeting regularly for a
series of pointless conversations.
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This is one of them.
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Testing.
Is that all right?
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3?
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Hello, and welcome to The Ricky
Gervais Show, with me, Ricky Gervais,
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Stephen Merchant...
Hello.
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And a little round-headed buffoon.
That is... Karl Pilkington.
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Right.
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Sync & corrections by honeybunny
www.addic7ed.com
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In ancient Greece, every year,
500 people would be selected
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from that Grecian society, and they
would have to sit there,
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that year, and they would propose laws,
and everyone else would vote on them.
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Now if you were in that position,
right, you're called up...
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What rules and laws
are you instigating?
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You might go, right, I want, uh,
I want an egalitarian society.
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I want freedom for people.
I don't want slavery.
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I don't want any sort of oppression.
Would that be high on your list?
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You could say,
you know, when I...
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Worked at Cordon Bleu, there
was times when I thought,
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"God, being treated like
a slave here." Mmm.
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You weren't though because you being paid
and you were free. Definitely not a slave.
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So...
Definitely not a slave.
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What do you mean? I wasn't free. I
was on like from, from 9:00-6:00.
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But you had the choice to leave the job.
Slaves didn't have a choice to leave.
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I didn't have a choice.
Yeah, you did, yeah.
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The only other choice was Tesco and
they had already turned me down.
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No, that's not, that's not,
that wasn't, that wasn't...
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There was no choice, that's why.
Yeah.
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That wasn't the lack of choice given
to most slaves. But the slaves...
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The slaves who built the Pyramids,
that wasn't an option for them.
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It wasn't like they could go...
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"Right, I could get a
better gig on the Sphinx."
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm just saying... No
you're not saying anything.
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You're saying absolute
drivel again. Um...
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Here's a little Greek
proverb for you.
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"A society grows great
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"When old men plant trees whose shade
they know they shall never sit in."
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What did you think of that?
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Do you understand?
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Yeah. Just saying, uh...
They're planting a seed.
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They grow a tree,
but trees take ages.
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Yeah. Yeah.
Takes a long time.
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That old fella is not gonna get
any joy out of that. Right.
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- But if he's lucky...
- Yeah.
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Fella next door might have
done the same years ago.
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So it's all about, sort of planting
a seed, looking after each other.
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That's great actually. It's not, I don't
think it's directly what it means.
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It's almost. It's almost the point.
Yeah. Yeah.
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That's good. Yeah, I think he means
that future generations. But, yeah...
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If, yeah... If the next door neighbor had
done that, then uh, yeah, that works as well.
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But that's, but you seem to
agree that that's a good point.
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Do you agree that seems
a good point to you?
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Um, but I'm, I'm sort of guessing
he enjoyed gardening anyway.
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Part of the enjoyment
was in planting that seed.
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Right. Ok. We see now. Oh, it's the
old metaphor problem again, isn't it?
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I know, yeah. It's not
specifically about trees.
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But, but as a metaphor,
what he enjoyed...
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Is the fact that he's added
to society and human life,
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and he's got a legacy
and all that, so.
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But by the same time, when
I went to Ibiza, right.
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Now there, they have motorbikes,
people flying around on them.
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People don't wear helmets. You might
even get three people on a moped.
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I saw a farmer with
a goat in a basket.
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They don't care. They're
whizzing around at high speeds.
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Lot of deaths there.
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Yeah.
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Um, and they'll have a lot of them,
them see, at, those areas where...
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Someone's come
off, been killed.
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People put flowers there.
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Yeah.
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And, because that happens a lot,
it's a lovely green island.
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Now here, we're saying...
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Whoa... What?
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Are you saying that all the deaths
make it nice because there's flowers?
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It makes it lovely. Because there's
loads of flowers everywhere.
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So with death, comes beauty.
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So that's another metaphor.
You can have that one.
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- That was one of the most tortuous
things I've ever... - Now...
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That was extraordinary.
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But look, look at London.
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That was extraordinary, Karl.
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Right. Karl,
Karl, so...
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Well look at London. Let me finish my point.
But, that's a very good point.
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Let him finish his point. Let him finish.
I'm intrigued. Yeah.
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Right. London. Councilor
with his clipboard.
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Need a speed bump here.
Saw someone doing 35.
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Put some traffic lights there
and a pedestrian crossing.
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Pelican crossing there as
well. And a speed camera.
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Right.
Horrible and gray.
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Okay.
No flowers.
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But you still see flowers left behind where
people have died in terrible accidents.
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You see that all the time.
Not many good ones.
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It's stuck to a lamppost with
an elastic band around them.
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- They don't look nice.
- He's noted the quality of flowers.
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Yeah, but the point is,
the point is... Wow.
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Some 15-year-old got run down, and you're
disappointed at the quality of the flowers.
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Look at this, Suzanne.
Fella lost his head here.
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Geraniums. Geraniums!
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Fella lost his bloody head!
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Fuckin hell...
So we have to, we have to...
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Encourage gun crime so that
people get shot in inner cities,
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and then we can put flowers
up and beautify the area.
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Is that what you're saying?
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No, but if an area's nicer
to look in, nicer to be in.
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If it's nicer looking, um...
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You don't get people
speeding around like lunatics.
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Because they go, I,
I'm not in a rush.
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I'd quite like to slow down there and look at the flowers.
But, this is so complicated.
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So, now what you're saying is,
because an area is grey and gloomy,
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people speed around
to get out of it.
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And in the course of doing
that, they knock people down.
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But then flowers are put up which
then makes the area beautiful.
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Thus stopping people driving around
at speed so death no longer occurs.
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Well, they keep having to get
out of their cars to put down flowers.
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- And they get knocked down...
- Yeah.
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...by other people on their
way to put some flowers down.
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Yeah. Just sometimes people
have to die, don't they?
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There was a fellow outside
our house hit a lamppost.
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He had a helmet
on, but his head come off.
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You made me laugh at a man's head coming off.
Just the way you said it.
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But, but, that's the thing...
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He had a,
he, he had a... Oh, God.
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There's a man.
Right by my house.
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He hit a lamp post.
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He had a helmet on.
But his head come off.
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So you're saying that because in that one
instance, the helmet did not save his life?
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His head was in great condition.
It's just not attached to his body.
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And that's what
I'm saying to you.
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Sometimes people have to die.
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How far, how far do you tackle all
this stuff of, of you know...
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Safety gear, and slowing down, and
wear bright clothes at night, and...
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It's just too much.
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Very important
point, you see.
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Do you think someone should be
made to wear a crash helmet?
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They're only
hurting themselves.
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Uh...
Crash helmet.
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I don't think you should get
fined for not wearing one.
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Don't forget, we're not just protecting him.
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He could be a father
with two kids.
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So you're going, oh,
let him die...
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If he doesn't want to wear a crash helmet.
Let him. Let him get brain damaged.
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Is that what you're saying?
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I'm just saying, we're, we're
over the top in this country,
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when it comes to that sort of thing.
No but you, so you're saying,
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if you're saying, no, if he doesn't
want to wear a crash helmet,
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let him not wear
a crash helmet.
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He smacks his
head in. He's a vegetable.
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He's like that...
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Sitting at home, like that. And yet
the two little kids come to you.
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You're in charge, don't forget.
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We've put you in charge of society here.
And they come to you.
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Two little
kids. They go,
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President Pilkington.
What?
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Why did you let my daddy wear
the...not wear the crash helmet?
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I didn't. We paid, uh, we put
leaflets through the door.
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We had adverts
on the telly, Sunshine.
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Yeah but, but why?
It's your dad's fault.
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But why wasn't it compulsory?
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Because he would, his...
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It's not the world
we live in, Sonny.
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Yeah it is. Now I
haven't got a daddy.
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Has he got a helmet at all? Have you
seen that helmet knocking about?
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No he's, he's just a vegetable now.
Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, he didn't want
to wear a crash helmet.
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But why didn't you make
him wear a crash helmet?
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It wasn't just him, it was us.
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Why did you, why did you
turn my daddy into a vegetable?
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Where's your mom?
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Mom, mom, mom left when...
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He kept going on about not wearing
a crash helmet. And she...
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All right, then. Gonna
put you in a home.
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I just think, you see
this is the problem.
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Everyone's looking
for someone to blame.
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Yes, but, this is interesting
though because...
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You, you were particularly
curt to that...
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Little 4-year-old-boy who
seemed so sweet and adorable.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But why wasn't he giving
this stick to his dad?
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Well, his dad's
dead. He's a vegetable.
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He's dead... He's
good as dead to him.
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His dad went
within the law.
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It was not the law to wear a crash
helmet anymore, because you said,
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"Forget it. I don't
want a nanny state."
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I don't want, if you wear
a crash helmet or not.
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He wasn't a responsible parent. He hadn't
thought it through. But this is your job.
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Some people aren't responsible.
Society keeps them in, on track.
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This was your, you were in charge. You
should have made him wear a crash helmet.
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He had two kids.
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We've heard from one of the kids.
What's the other one's attitude?
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Is he, he's the younger one?
He's a bit younger.
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He's even younger still.
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- Yeah. Oh.
- President Pilkington.
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My brother's crying now,
because you've shouted at him.
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I wish you'd have made my
daddy wear a crash helmet.
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Why didn't you make your
daddy wear a crash helmet?
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Well, he won't listen to me because
I'm not in charge of society.
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Well, he didn't listen to me.
Yeah, but...
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He seems like a bit of a, a numb nut to be honest.
No, he did listen to you.
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What did he do for a living?
Because you made a new rule,
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saying people don't have
to wear crash helmets.
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Right, right. What...
And he listened to you.
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Well, did he, did he pop shoes on
in the morning when he went out?
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Or did I need to be here to
tell him to do that as well?
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Well no, there's
certain things...
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Oh, so he has got some common sense then.
Well he's...
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All right, interesting. Yeah.
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So he can be bothered with his trainers,
but he can't be bothered with helmet.
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Now I
haven't got daddy.
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Jesus.
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Why can't they just put a leaflet
through saying, "Hello everyone.
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"Use your
common sense."
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Yeah. Because...
That's all I'm asking.
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That's what I'd say
if I was President.
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Because some people
don't have common sense.
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Everyone's got common sense. Some
people are fucking idiots, mate!
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Yes. That's why there's, yeah.
Then it's not my fault then.
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That's why there is a government.
Not my fault.
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If we let, if we let people alone,
they'd be fucking idiots...
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It's what we've talked about
here. Social responsibility.
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This is your approach. I wash
my hands of the whole affair.
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Yeah. I'd, I'd hope that the
people who don't wear a helmet,
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sort of they do themselves in,
and that's cleared them off.
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That's one problem sorted.
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So you think, you're
being Darwinian.
227
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You're thinking,
survival of the fittest.
228
00:09:15,527 --> 00:09:17,327
Yeah. The idiots will
soon, but they don't...
229
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Because they're not just the victims.
The dead person isn't the victim.
230
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We've talked about it before. You know,
people who smoke know that it's dangerous.
231
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But why
is that still legal?
232
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And yet people know that,
and they still smoke.
233
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Fat people know that they're gonna
get out of breath and clammy...
234
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And yet they still eat more.
235
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But, because that's
what I'm saying.
236
00:09:38,983 --> 00:09:40,683
Why don't we stop
fat people eating?
237
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If you got a smackhead and
you really love him, you intervene.
238
00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,387
You grab him, you put
him in a cupboard.
239
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You go, you're not coming out. He goes mad
for about a year, then he thanks you for it.
240
00:09:48,091 --> 00:09:50,192
Yeah. So lock fat
people in a cupboard?
241
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And just put carrots under the door.
What? You can't get 'em in.
242
00:09:53,397 --> 00:09:55,932
The thing is, there's gotta
be some responsibility.
243
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Now if it's your own fat kid,
stick him in your cupboard.
244
00:09:59,470 --> 00:10:01,404
But what I'm saying
is as a councilor,
245
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I'm not spending taxpayers' money
on cupboards to put the fat kid in.
246
00:10:10,549 --> 00:10:13,317
Obviously in China, you can only
have, uh, one child, can't you?
247
00:10:13,351 --> 00:10:15,753
Is that something you feel
we should bring in here?
248
00:10:15,788 --> 00:10:19,691
Uh, yeah, I think we, we've got to
um, I don't know about one kid.
249
00:10:19,725 --> 00:10:22,193
I, I just sort of concentrate
on who can have a kid.
250
00:10:22,228 --> 00:10:24,195
Okay. As opposed to, you know,
251
00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:26,631
if someone's got a load of money and
they're good at looking after kids.
252
00:10:26,665 --> 00:10:27,865
Let Madonna have as
many as she wants.
253
00:10:27,899 --> 00:10:29,100
But if you're someone
who's, who's...
254
00:10:29,134 --> 00:10:30,301
Oh, yeah,
but then, but then...
255
00:10:30,335 --> 00:10:31,802
So social engineering
you want to do there.
256
00:10:31,836 --> 00:10:33,837
Yeah, but then, but hold
on there, this is...
257
00:10:33,872 --> 00:10:36,340
But what use are they then? If you're bringing
them into a poor family, what's the point?
258
00:10:36,374 --> 00:10:38,242
What good
is that for anyone?
259
00:10:38,276 --> 00:10:39,910
It's not good for the people
who have had the kids.
260
00:10:39,944 --> 00:10:42,078
So who's deciding who's allowed
to have how many kids?
261
00:10:42,113 --> 00:10:43,613
Are you deciding?
262
00:10:43,648 --> 00:10:45,282
Yeah, but I, I was, I was brought
into the poor family, wasn't I?
263
00:10:45,316 --> 00:10:46,517
Uh...
What?
264
00:10:46,551 --> 00:10:48,185
I was brought
into a poor family.
265
00:10:48,220 --> 00:10:50,354
Yeah, but I'm talking,
I'm talking really poor.
266
00:10:50,388 --> 00:10:52,156
So, Third World?
267
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No.
268
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What, poorer than that?
Poorer than no money at all?
269
00:10:55,894 --> 00:10:58,596
I just mean like the people that I've
told you about on the estate sometimes.
270
00:10:58,630 --> 00:11:00,764
You had that one who
chased cars and stuff.
271
00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:04,368
He wasn't happy. They didn't care if
he was there or not. What's the point?
272
00:11:04,402 --> 00:11:06,203
Wait, so hang on.
Sorry.
273
00:11:06,237 --> 00:11:09,006
So let's imagine that Ricky and I are
husband and wife. We've come in, right.
274
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What's your questions to
us to establish whether we,
275
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- we're allowed to have a couple of kids?
- Hello.
276
00:11:13,078 --> 00:11:15,679
Hello. Thanks for, thanks for coming.
Um, me and my husband,
277
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um, we, we can't have children.
278
00:11:17,315 --> 00:11:20,651
Why not? Uh, cause he's,
he's got no sperm at all.
279
00:11:20,685 --> 00:11:24,255
He had one sperm and it was, it
was ridiculous. It was awful.
280
00:11:24,289 --> 00:11:26,123
It just came out
like a dead anchovy.
281
00:11:26,158 --> 00:11:29,527
Right. What's... And are you meant
to have 300 million tiny ones...
282
00:11:29,561 --> 00:11:31,629
And he had one big one. It was horrible.
I had to pull it out.
283
00:11:31,664 --> 00:11:33,364
It was like a leech.
284
00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:36,701
And, uh, and also I've, uh, it was no...
I haven't, I haven't got a vagina.
285
00:11:36,735 --> 00:11:38,937
So it was... Completely smooth
down there like an action man.
286
00:11:38,971 --> 00:11:43,675
Yeah, so there's that. I don't know.
But we, we love children, and um...
287
00:11:43,710 --> 00:11:47,980
Um, we wondered if we, we
could, um, have a child?
288
00:11:48,014 --> 00:11:49,582
What do you do for living?
289
00:11:49,616 --> 00:11:50,783
What do you do?
What's your work?
290
00:11:50,817 --> 00:11:51,984
Uh...
291
00:11:52,018 --> 00:11:53,819
I'm a rapist.
292
00:11:57,157 --> 00:11:59,891
All right, then. And I
dispose of the bodies.
293
00:11:59,925 --> 00:12:01,659
All right. Oh, well
fill out this form.
294
00:12:01,694 --> 00:12:03,628
Um, I should have
clarified. A rapist murderer.
295
00:12:03,662 --> 00:12:06,665
Fill out the form. Yeah. He does
it in the wrong order as well.
296
00:12:06,699 --> 00:12:08,467
I must say so...
Yeah.
297
00:12:08,501 --> 00:12:11,370
Number of times I've disposed of the body,
he said, "I hadn't raped that one."
298
00:12:11,404 --> 00:12:14,239
I know. Just wondered, what
else you need to know about us?
299
00:12:14,274 --> 00:12:16,542
Because even though I... That
was our little joke by the way.
300
00:12:16,576 --> 00:12:18,478
- He doesn't, he doesn't rape.
- Course not.
301
00:12:18,512 --> 00:12:19,979
No, I work in a, I
work in an office...
302
00:12:20,014 --> 00:12:21,849
He works in an office
in, uh, in the town.
303
00:12:21,883 --> 00:12:24,551
But yeah. She's a housewife.
I'm a, I'm a housewife.
304
00:12:24,586 --> 00:12:28,489
I'm making a little nest for when we have
a, we adopt a little, a little child.
305
00:12:28,523 --> 00:12:30,990
We don't earn a great deal of money,
but we're good parents, we think.
306
00:12:31,025 --> 00:12:33,293
We're very good parents. How? What's,
what's that based on? Why...
307
00:12:33,327 --> 00:12:36,463
Well, we're good people, you know. I
mean aside from a few naughty jokes.
308
00:12:36,497 --> 00:12:40,934
We're God-fearing people. We believe
that um, uh, God is watching all of us.
309
00:12:40,968 --> 00:12:43,470
And um, we believe
in the Old Testament.
310
00:12:43,504 --> 00:12:45,638
And sometimes he tells
us to kill and rape.
311
00:12:45,673 --> 00:12:47,073
Yeah, sometimes he does, yeah.
312
00:12:47,108 --> 00:12:49,109
We're joking again. Of course...
We're joking again.
313
00:12:49,144 --> 00:12:51,112
We don't believe
in God. We're, um...
314
00:12:51,146 --> 00:12:53,448
We're from an atheist
and believe that...
315
00:12:53,482 --> 00:12:57,486
Our time on Earth is all we have, and
then when we die we become worm's meat.
316
00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,255
Right. Uh, have you
filled out the form?
317
00:13:00,290 --> 00:13:01,957
But we've already, we've already
painted the back bedroom.
318
00:13:01,992 --> 00:13:04,526
That's ready for the little child.
We've painted it black.
319
00:13:04,561 --> 00:13:07,462
Cause um, we, we want our
child to be a Satanist.
320
00:13:07,496 --> 00:13:09,164
- Right.
- Joking again.
321
00:13:09,198 --> 00:13:10,532
Little joke from us. Little joke.
322
00:13:10,566 --> 00:13:11,533
We want him to
be an accountant.
323
00:13:11,567 --> 00:13:13,002
- Right.
- Yeah.
324
00:13:13,036 --> 00:13:14,669
Um...
Gay accountant.
325
00:13:14,704 --> 00:13:18,607
There's too much in society where people
are pressured to be heterosexual.
326
00:13:18,642 --> 00:13:21,677
So we're, we're gonna try
and make ours a homosexual.
327
00:13:21,711 --> 00:13:24,079
Right. So you've filled out the form.
Filled out the form.
328
00:13:24,114 --> 00:13:27,283
Yeah, well uh, we'll pop that
in, get it processed. Right.
329
00:13:27,317 --> 00:13:29,451
Okay, but what kind of questions
are you gonna ask us?
330
00:13:29,486 --> 00:13:31,287
- None, none really.
- None. So you...
331
00:13:32,456 --> 00:13:33,555
It's just my job.
332
00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:35,224
You're happy.
You're happy with us.
333
00:13:35,258 --> 00:13:37,293
Just my job to pass the forms on.
We've passed the interview.
334
00:13:37,327 --> 00:13:38,728
Because the world
we live in now.
335
00:13:38,762 --> 00:13:41,430
Oh, oh God.
Uh...
336
00:13:43,967 --> 00:13:46,569
You've obviously heard of the
famous Rosa Parks incident...
337
00:13:46,603 --> 00:13:50,539
In which, um,
she was obliged...
338
00:13:50,573 --> 00:13:55,111
To move on the bus from where
she was sat to somewhere else.
339
00:13:55,145 --> 00:13:56,812
And she chose not to, and
she was arrested for it.
340
00:13:56,847 --> 00:14:00,550
Became very much a sort of figurehead
of the Civil Rights Movement.
341
00:14:00,584 --> 00:14:02,852
Had you been traveling
on that bus...
342
00:14:02,886 --> 00:14:04,287
What would you do?
343
00:14:04,988 --> 00:14:06,155
Um...
344
00:14:08,158 --> 00:14:11,527
And am I far from where
I am, I'm getting off?
345
00:14:14,264 --> 00:14:17,065
So once again, you can't just
nip out at the next stop.
346
00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:18,567
So you can wash your hands
of the whole affair.
347
00:14:18,601 --> 00:14:21,269
No, you're on that bus. You've
still got a number of stops.
348
00:14:21,304 --> 00:14:22,904
So you've gotta
stay on that bus.
349
00:14:22,938 --> 00:14:26,708
You've seen this bus driver
demanding that she gets up.
350
00:14:26,743 --> 00:14:29,978
Gives up that seat. Maybe she's
given up that seat for you.
351
00:14:30,013 --> 00:14:34,850
Uh, I'd probably go, oh it's all right.
I'm, I'm standing. I'm all right.
352
00:14:34,884 --> 00:14:37,319
What if Suzanne wasn't allowed
to sit with you on buses?
353
00:14:37,353 --> 00:14:40,523
What if, what if
now a law came in
354
00:14:40,557 --> 00:14:44,594
that women were second class citizens,
and she can't come with you?
355
00:14:44,628 --> 00:14:47,864
Wouldn't you go, no, fuck
that. She's sitting with me?
356
00:14:49,233 --> 00:14:51,467
I'd say, we were only
going round the block.
357
00:14:51,502 --> 00:14:53,836
We've been to the, to the shopping center.
Be only 15 minutes.
358
00:14:53,871 --> 00:14:56,806
Can you take that bag with you because
there's no one sat next to you down there?
359
00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,274
I'm a bit crammed in up here.
360
00:14:58,309 --> 00:15:00,310
There's more blokes on the
bus. I'll see you in a minute.
361
00:15:00,344 --> 00:15:04,414
Karl, let's put this... I mean obviously
this is too much for your head to...
362
00:15:04,448 --> 00:15:08,785
You're on a bus, right, and there's
a few white people, and they're...
363
00:15:08,819 --> 00:15:10,319
I'm the driver.
364
00:15:10,354 --> 00:15:12,789
And they're being racist
to a black kid.
365
00:15:12,823 --> 00:15:15,158
Right. I go, if I'm
driving, I'd go,
366
00:15:15,193 --> 00:15:17,194
"Lads, stop
that will you?"
367
00:15:17,228 --> 00:15:20,231
If you're gonna be racist, can you get
off at the next stop and do it there?
368
00:15:20,265 --> 00:15:22,234
Well you know, we've all,
we've all had a tough day.
369
00:15:22,268 --> 00:15:24,402
It's the end of the day.
We just all want to go home.
370
00:15:24,437 --> 00:15:27,472
We've all been working.
Uh, he's not in your way.
371
00:15:27,507 --> 00:15:31,409
He's sat in his own seat. Sit back,
calm down, and enough.
372
00:15:31,444 --> 00:15:35,413
Surely you come, surely you want
to be on the side of right.
373
00:15:35,447 --> 00:15:37,982
I'm just doing me job here. I'm sat
driving a bus.
374
00:15:38,016 --> 00:15:39,884
I'm driving a bus for
30 quid a week here.
375
00:15:39,918 --> 00:15:42,619
And getting a load of grief of
some people at the end of the day.
376
00:15:42,654 --> 00:15:46,023
All right. But think bigger than the bus rule.
It's not just a bus thing, all right.
377
00:15:46,057 --> 00:15:48,625
Just imagine that
you're not a bus driver.
378
00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:51,295
All right? Think bigger. No, but
that's what we're talking about here.
379
00:15:51,330 --> 00:15:54,399
But yes, but Ricky's trying to
make a point. It's an analogy.
380
00:15:54,433 --> 00:15:56,835
Again, it's about you taking
some kind of responsibility...
381
00:15:56,869 --> 00:15:59,004
That could put you in harm's way.
You must know what, yeah.
382
00:15:59,038 --> 00:16:02,741
That could mean that you've got to stand up
to danger or to bullies or to aggression.
383
00:16:02,775 --> 00:16:05,210
If someone, if someone's
attacking Suzanne, she goes,
384
00:16:05,245 --> 00:16:07,913
Karl, help. You go, no.
No, I could get hurt.
385
00:16:07,947 --> 00:16:09,881
No, of course not, because
I know the full story here.
386
00:16:09,916 --> 00:16:11,717
But this is what I'm
saying about Rosy...
387
00:16:11,751 --> 00:16:13,685
What do you mean you know the
full story here? Rosy whatsit?
388
00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,387
I'm just saying, she sat on the bus.
389
00:16:15,422 --> 00:16:17,722
How did it work? I'll
tell you how it worked.
390
00:16:17,757 --> 00:16:19,224
She got on the bus, she
sat where she wanted.
391
00:16:19,258 --> 00:16:21,125
No, I'll tell you
how it worked.
392
00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,629
It was, uh, up to the driver's discretion
to change where black people could sit,
393
00:16:24,663 --> 00:16:26,431
depending on the number of
white passengers that got on.
394
00:16:26,465 --> 00:16:29,534
So she sat in a seat. So more
and more white passengers get on.
395
00:16:29,568 --> 00:16:32,204
So this bloke decides, well no, actually
this is no longer the black section.
396
00:16:32,238 --> 00:16:35,340
There is no black section because there's
enough white people. You've gotta stand up.
397
00:16:35,374 --> 00:16:37,909
Right. And she decided, no.
I'm not gonna get up.
398
00:16:37,943 --> 00:16:41,813
It's my right to be able to sit on this
bus, as a person, as a human being...
399
00:16:41,847 --> 00:16:44,816
Not whether or black or white, and
that was why she got arrested.
400
00:16:44,851 --> 00:16:48,955
On a different bus, on a different day,
it might not have turned out that way.
401
00:16:48,989 --> 00:16:52,258
That's what I'm saying. It might have
been, you know, someone else who goes...
402
00:16:52,292 --> 00:16:54,026
"Get off."
403
00:16:54,060 --> 00:16:55,828
Who's been in right mood. Might
have been in the pub all afternoon.
404
00:16:55,862 --> 00:16:57,263
And
she's there going,
405
00:16:57,297 --> 00:16:59,099
"I'm not moving."
406
00:16:59,133 --> 00:17:00,767
And he's, he's fed up.
He's up to here with it.
407
00:17:00,801 --> 00:17:02,335
Sorry, so
she's pissed up then?
408
00:17:02,369 --> 00:17:04,237
She's pissed up now...
No, no, the person sat next to her.
409
00:17:04,272 --> 00:17:06,373
- Been watching the rugby.
- Yeah.
410
00:17:06,407 --> 00:17:09,042
Might have even been a black bloke,
who's been working hard, and he's like...
411
00:17:09,076 --> 00:17:10,610
"I don't want this."
It's difficult, isn't it?
412
00:17:10,645 --> 00:17:13,479
If I was on there, I'd
weigh her up, you know.
413
00:17:13,514 --> 00:17:19,018
Is this woman doing this as like a good
cause, or is she just a trouble causer?
414
00:17:19,052 --> 00:17:20,887
If she just seemed
like, you know...
415
00:17:20,921 --> 00:17:23,189
"Eh. I'll do
what I want."
416
00:17:23,223 --> 00:17:26,025
Now that's fine. You'll always get
people who do what they want,
417
00:17:26,060 --> 00:17:28,461
and they do change the
little rules along the way.
418
00:17:28,496 --> 00:17:31,264
But I bet when she was doing
it, it wasn't like a big...
419
00:17:31,298 --> 00:17:33,934
Stand up, this is, this is
the day I'm gonna do it.
420
00:17:33,969 --> 00:17:36,137
It's just happened to,
she was fed up that day.
421
00:17:36,171 --> 00:17:38,473
She didn't want
to get up. Lazy.
422
00:17:40,376 --> 00:17:42,977
She might just go around law-breaking
all the time.
423
00:17:43,012 --> 00:17:46,580
And she's remembered now because she's,
she'd made a change about bus seats.
424
00:17:46,615 --> 00:17:48,716
But when she got up that
morning, did she say,
425
00:17:48,750 --> 00:17:50,084
"I'm gonna do that."
426
00:17:50,118 --> 00:17:51,952
Or had she been fly tipping
before she got on the bus?
427
00:17:51,987 --> 00:17:53,354
This is what I'm saying.
428
00:17:53,388 --> 00:17:55,055
Did she just, if she
just stood, you know...
429
00:17:55,089 --> 00:17:56,790
No. No, she's not
a troublemaker.
430
00:17:56,824 --> 00:17:58,825
She's someone who already had a
burgeoning interest in the civil rights.
431
00:17:58,859 --> 00:18:01,694
I mean, I really thought the Rosa Parks
incident was pretty cut and dry.
432
00:18:01,729 --> 00:18:03,529
It's, yeah.
433
00:18:03,564 --> 00:18:05,332
The fact that Karl's managed to find
an ambiguity in it is extraordinary.
434
00:18:05,366 --> 00:18:06,466
I know.
I love it.
435
00:18:06,501 --> 00:18:07,968
Tell me something else
about Rosie Parks.
436
00:18:08,002 --> 00:18:09,436
Oh, for God's sake.
437
00:18:09,471 --> 00:18:11,572
I don't know what she's got
to do to win you round, Karl.
438
00:18:13,542 --> 00:18:17,211
Obviously I didn't realize I had to... I
didn't realize it would be this difficult.
439
00:18:18,547 --> 00:18:24,286
Um, there was a bit of trouble
in our yard the other day.
440
00:18:24,321 --> 00:18:25,487
Right.
441
00:18:25,522 --> 00:18:28,757
Between, uh, a wasp
and a cricket.
442
00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:35,128
Now the thing is, is there
any point to this at all?
443
00:18:35,163 --> 00:18:36,763
Or are you just gonna
tell us you saw a wasp...
444
00:18:36,798 --> 00:18:38,831
Are you gonna extrapolate
some analogy from this?
445
00:18:38,866 --> 00:18:40,033
Uh, I think so.
446
00:18:40,067 --> 00:18:42,201
Okay. Well, let's see.
447
00:18:42,235 --> 00:18:44,003
So there's a wasp
and a cricket?
448
00:18:44,037 --> 00:18:45,738
So do the whole scenario.
The whole scenario. Wasp...
449
00:18:45,772 --> 00:18:48,374
As you said, just to clarify.
As you said, it was kicking off.
450
00:18:48,408 --> 00:18:49,676
Right, okay.
Right, whole scenario.
451
00:18:49,710 --> 00:18:51,378
So you're looking
out your window.
452
00:18:51,412 --> 00:18:53,246
- No. I'm, I'm in the kitchen. By the sink.
- Right. Yeah.
453
00:18:53,281 --> 00:18:55,249
- I'm washing up the few plates.
- Right.
454
00:18:55,283 --> 00:18:58,586
- The kitchen door is open.
- Right.
455
00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:00,321
Suzanne says, "Oh my
God. Look at that."
456
00:19:00,356 --> 00:19:02,357
What?
457
00:19:02,391 --> 00:19:05,127
There's a like a, a wasp and a
cricket having a wrestle.
458
00:19:07,630 --> 00:19:09,931
I've never seen it before.
Right.
459
00:19:09,965 --> 00:19:11,732
What, wait, wait.
460
00:19:11,767 --> 00:19:16,970
Are you sure this wasn't Mexican television
and it actually was a sporting event?
461
00:19:17,005 --> 00:19:19,206
Two people dressed up?
Yeah. Yeah.
462
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,041
So they're there, wrestling.
463
00:19:21,075 --> 00:19:23,376
And it was like, "Well
stop 'em then." So she...
464
00:19:23,410 --> 00:19:25,011
Stop, whoa, whoa, whoa.
465
00:19:25,045 --> 00:19:27,680
You don't interfere
with fucking Rosa Parks.
466
00:19:27,714 --> 00:19:30,350
Why are you interfering
with a wasp and a cricket?
467
00:19:30,384 --> 00:19:34,087
Because, one, I didn't even know
they didn't get on, to be honest.
468
00:19:35,724 --> 00:19:37,291
Because I've,
they were sort of wrestling.
469
00:19:37,325 --> 00:19:38,860
I said, and my hands were wet
so I couldn't do anything.
470
00:19:38,894 --> 00:19:41,196
- I always overdo it with the liquid.
- Course, yeah, sure.
471
00:19:41,230 --> 00:19:44,632
So she, she's there. I say,
break..."Separate them."
472
00:19:44,667 --> 00:19:46,668
Poor Suzanne.
473
00:19:46,703 --> 00:19:48,804
Now, so she uses
a tea towel, flicks 'em.
474
00:19:48,838 --> 00:19:50,605
Flick.
Clever. Good thinking.
475
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,441
Right. The wasp
goes its own way.
476
00:19:52,475 --> 00:19:54,843
The cricket is sort of jumping about a bit.
477
00:19:54,877 --> 00:19:56,345
But who
was fighting who?
478
00:19:56,379 --> 00:19:59,182
So I am sort of saying, "That's
really weird." Because wasps
479
00:19:59,216 --> 00:20:02,485
are changing quicker than anything
else that I keep my eye on.
480
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,088
Okay, well that's just your theory,
and it's not based on anything.
481
00:20:05,122 --> 00:20:07,224
Well, I told you, a couple years
back, I saw one eating chicken.
482
00:20:07,258 --> 00:20:08,992
They shouldn't be doing it.
483
00:20:09,027 --> 00:20:11,594
So, anyway, so now they're
causing trouble with a cricket.
484
00:20:11,629 --> 00:20:13,763
Whoa, how do you know it was the wasp's fault?
This is prejudice.
485
00:20:13,798 --> 00:20:17,234
Why do you think it was the wasp's fault?
What if the cricket would have started it?
486
00:20:17,268 --> 00:20:18,869
What if the cricket's
got a society that go,
487
00:20:18,903 --> 00:20:21,438
"We hate wasps. We
hate their stripes.
488
00:20:21,473 --> 00:20:23,774
"We hate them. If they come
here, fight 'em.
489
00:20:23,808 --> 00:20:25,943
"If everyone comes down here,
fight 'em."
490
00:20:25,977 --> 00:20:28,278
How would you know it wasn't
the cricket that started that?
491
00:20:29,981 --> 00:20:32,917
Well, I suppose at that time I didn't.
But since...
492
00:20:32,951 --> 00:20:34,952
Oh, subsequent information has come through...
Oh, okay, sorry.
493
00:20:34,986 --> 00:20:36,854
This is like Columbo, isn't it?
So anyway...
494
00:20:36,888 --> 00:20:37,922
Yeah.
Mmm.
495
00:20:37,956 --> 00:20:39,823
So I saw all that.
We broke it up.
496
00:20:39,858 --> 00:20:42,126
The cricket was sort
of shaking a bit.
497
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,096
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
498
00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:48,031
- It was shaking a little bit.
- Yeah.
499
00:20:48,065 --> 00:20:51,368
So I sort of prodded it. Put a little
leaf over it, because it was a hot day.
500
00:20:51,402 --> 00:20:53,169
Thought, I'll put a leaf there
so it doesn't get over heated.
501
00:20:53,204 --> 00:20:55,672
I love this. Like he's doing a marathon.
I'll keep an eye on it.
502
00:20:55,706 --> 00:20:57,841
It's got a little, it's
got "Mars" on the leaf.
503
00:20:57,875 --> 00:21:00,810
Right there on the leaf, and now it's
just walking over with a little medal.
504
00:21:00,844 --> 00:21:04,714
So Suzanne, we, you know,
we... I leave it for a bit.
505
00:21:04,748 --> 00:21:06,549
Leave it. What did you say? Get on.
About half an hour.
506
00:21:06,583 --> 00:21:07,717
About left it for half an hour.
507
00:21:07,751 --> 00:21:09,718
What did Suzanne want to do?
508
00:21:09,753 --> 00:21:11,754
She wanted to interfere did she? What did
she want to do, just sort of like...
509
00:21:11,788 --> 00:21:13,755
No, she just sort of said, leave it.
Stop messing with it.
510
00:21:13,790 --> 00:21:15,390
It's probably a little bit knocked
out, a little bit stunned.
511
00:21:15,425 --> 00:21:17,726
Sure, let's get on
with our lives, she said, yeah.
512
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,661
So I put the leaf on it. We go off,
and half an hour later, I get back.
513
00:21:20,695 --> 00:21:22,062
And I said, I'm gonna go and...
514
00:21:22,097 --> 00:21:23,664
Where'd you go?
Where'd you go?
515
00:21:23,698 --> 00:21:26,900
Just for a walk. So I've been out.
Back in. Have a look.
516
00:21:26,934 --> 00:21:30,738
Cricket is still there.
Noticed one of its legs, gone.
517
00:21:30,772 --> 00:21:32,874
Oh.
518
00:21:32,908 --> 00:21:36,143
Don't know if the wasp did
that or that tea towel flick.
519
00:21:36,178 --> 00:21:39,446
Right. Right. Well, this
is when I got the computer out.
520
00:21:39,481 --> 00:21:46,421
Had a look. What happened is,
the wasp apparently does this a lot.
521
00:21:46,489 --> 00:21:48,757
And it stings 'em in the head.
522
00:21:48,792 --> 00:21:50,292
Right,
not this particular...
523
00:21:50,326 --> 00:21:52,427
There wasn't like a little
profile of this particular wasp.
524
00:21:52,462 --> 00:21:54,463
Yeah, yeah. On a kind
of police website...
525
00:21:54,497 --> 00:21:57,533
It's just, it's just an incident that
happens a lot between wasps and crickets.
526
00:21:57,567 --> 00:21:58,868
Right.
527
00:21:58,902 --> 00:22:01,170
So it stung it in the
head, and what happens is,
528
00:22:01,205 --> 00:22:04,707
it's that whole thing that we've talked
about before, where it lays an egg.
529
00:22:04,742 --> 00:22:07,677
Right. So I was, I
was sort of having a look,
530
00:22:07,711 --> 00:22:10,246
seeing if I could see any
sort of holes in its head.
531
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,851
Uh, and it just kept sort of moving its
one leg, like "Oh, I can't handle this."
532
00:22:14,885 --> 00:22:17,921
Well he's got one big leg?
One big leg at the back now.
533
00:22:17,955 --> 00:22:19,656
It's normally got two
that it uses to jump.
534
00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:22,526
So you were worried that crickets
aren't aware of the dangers of wasps?
535
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,830
I just had a look online and saw that,
oh, it's a popular thing that happens.
536
00:22:26,864 --> 00:22:28,565
It's sort of like
a bit of a mugging.
537
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:31,268
Um, they said, you can leave
'em for about half an hour.
538
00:22:31,303 --> 00:22:34,505
They normally come around, and they don't
know they've had an egg put in their head.
539
00:22:34,540 --> 00:22:36,374
There's no way...
But...
540
00:22:36,408 --> 00:22:38,776
It said, leave 'em for half an
hour and they come around...
541
00:22:38,811 --> 00:22:40,211
There's no way it said that.
542
00:22:40,245 --> 00:22:42,480
But it said they're normally
stunned for about a half hour.
543
00:22:42,514 --> 00:22:44,082
Have you had an egg
put in your head?
544
00:22:46,018 --> 00:22:47,385
Like an ostrich egg, by the look of it.
It's coming out the top.
545
00:22:47,419 --> 00:22:49,387
So anyway, so I picked it up.
546
00:22:49,421 --> 00:22:51,322
I placed it under a little tree.
I said, it's in the shade again.
547
00:22:51,356 --> 00:22:53,291
No wasp can see it there.
Let's just leave it.
548
00:22:53,325 --> 00:22:54,793
Mmm,
yeah, mmm.
549
00:22:54,827 --> 00:22:58,463
But you've just left that cricket
to now die in agony, when that
550
00:22:58,497 --> 00:23:01,366
maggot goes around his head, and comes
out a wasp, and leaves the carcass.
551
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,772
Well this is when Suzanne came
up and said it wasn't moving.
552
00:23:08,274 --> 00:23:10,642
- I sorted it. I just sorted it.
- You sorted it?
553
00:23:10,676 --> 00:23:13,178
What do you mean? You
don't want to say anything else?
554
00:23:13,212 --> 00:23:15,681
What did you mean? Well I said,
what do you mean, you sorted it?
555
00:23:15,715 --> 00:23:17,849
She said, oh, best that I don't tell you.
Read between the lines.
556
00:23:17,884 --> 00:23:20,519
Right, sorry,
sorry...
557
00:23:20,553 --> 00:23:22,421
She said she sorted it.
558
00:23:22,455 --> 00:23:27,326
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you think that we're
in the Mafia and we're being wiretapped?
559
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:28,793
Say what happened.
560
00:23:28,828 --> 00:23:31,229
No, well she just said she sorted it.
And I said, sorted what?
561
00:23:31,264 --> 00:23:33,732
Because I had forgotten about it
at that point. I was painting.
562
00:23:33,766 --> 00:23:36,968
Right. And she said, the...
The cricket.
563
00:23:37,003 --> 00:23:39,271
Right. What do you
think she meant by sorted it?
564
00:23:39,305 --> 00:23:42,374
Well, by the look on her face, the way she
said, I've known her for long enough.
565
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:44,209
So I know that she meant
it's not good news.
566
00:23:44,244 --> 00:23:45,844
Yeah. So what,
what happened?
567
00:23:45,879 --> 00:23:48,680
So from that, I took for
granted that she means...
568
00:23:48,715 --> 00:23:50,015
Say it!
569
00:23:50,049 --> 00:23:53,385
I've stopped it being...
It's no longer in misery.
570
00:23:53,419 --> 00:23:54,886
So what
do you mean?
571
00:23:54,921 --> 00:23:56,688
- What?
- What did she do?
572
00:23:56,722 --> 00:23:59,624
She crushed his
head. With a stone.
573
00:23:59,658 --> 00:24:01,793
She got a tiny,
head-shaped stone?
574
00:24:01,827 --> 00:24:05,063
Squashed it, because that's
where all the action is, isn't it?
575
00:24:05,098 --> 00:24:07,432
So she said it was, it was
too cruel watching it...
576
00:24:07,467 --> 00:24:09,868
Sort of shaking about
with its one leg and stuff.
577
00:24:09,903 --> 00:24:11,403
Mmm.
Had to kill it.
578
00:24:11,438 --> 00:24:14,306
I imagine, I have this vision
that one day...
579
00:24:14,341 --> 00:24:18,477
Suzanne just having to say to
his parents, um...
580
00:24:20,013 --> 00:24:21,981
- I've sorted it.
- I've sorted it.
581
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:33,188
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