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This is a kangaroo court, 6 00:00:33,324 --> 00:00:34,951 this is political action, it's a witch hunt. 7 00:00:34,993 --> 00:00:36,202 I'll be back later. 8 00:00:53,261 --> 00:00:55,764 NEIL HESLIN: It's about the damage that was done to me. 9 00:00:56,681 --> 00:00:59,893 Jones was repeating these lies. 10 00:00:59,976 --> 00:01:03,521 I was accused of being part of a government conspiracy. 11 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:04,772 None of it's true. 12 00:01:06,024 --> 00:01:07,359 All I did was lose my son. 13 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,402 He was brutally murdered and shot and killed 14 00:01:09,486 --> 00:01:11,821 in his first-grade classroom. 15 00:01:11,863 --> 00:01:13,823 And I have to deal with this abuse 16 00:01:13,865 --> 00:01:16,201 by a loudmouth with a blowhorn? 17 00:01:16,242 --> 00:01:17,327 COURT CLERK: All rise. 18 00:01:17,369 --> 00:01:19,829 459th District Court is now in session. 19 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:22,457 The Honorable Judge Maya Guerra Gamble presiding. 20 00:01:23,583 --> 00:01:27,837 SCARLETT LEWIS: Alex Jones chose to continue to seed 21 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:32,717 and perpetrate lies that Sandy Hook never happened. 22 00:01:33,551 --> 00:01:36,680 Making shit up. 23 00:01:36,721 --> 00:01:38,223 I mean, it's-- it's fake. 24 00:01:38,264 --> 00:01:40,392 I... The whole thing is just... 25 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:44,020 SCARLETT: That's how Alex Jones runs his empire, 26 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:46,314 and I think that that needs to be stopped. 27 00:01:47,482 --> 00:01:49,150 MARK BANKSTON: This is Neil and Scarlett. 28 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:53,446 Mr. Jones has robbed Neil and Scarlett 29 00:01:53,530 --> 00:01:55,532 of the time they needed to heal 30 00:01:55,573 --> 00:01:57,908 over the violent death of their son, Jesse. 31 00:01:57,951 --> 00:02:00,912 People thought of Infowars as a fringe organization. 32 00:02:00,995 --> 00:02:02,372 But at the height of its powers, 33 00:02:02,414 --> 00:02:04,124 more people were watching Infowars 34 00:02:04,207 --> 00:02:06,459 at any given time than CNN. 35 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:11,089 What you have to remember is that Mr. Jones for ten years 36 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:13,925 intentionally lied that the shooting was fake 37 00:02:13,967 --> 00:02:15,552 or a government-led plot. 38 00:02:15,593 --> 00:02:18,680 This is the most egregious case of defamation 39 00:02:18,763 --> 00:02:19,764 in American history. 40 00:02:19,806 --> 00:02:22,308 ANDINO REYNAL: Mr. Jones has been canceled. 41 00:02:22,392 --> 00:02:24,769 And I believe in every American's right 42 00:02:24,811 --> 00:02:29,607 to choose what they listen to and what they believe. 43 00:02:31,735 --> 00:02:34,946 NEIL: It's got to be known that Alex Jones is a liar. 44 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:38,533 If it came to a knock-down, drag-out fight 45 00:02:38,616 --> 00:02:41,494 in the Travis County Courthouse, that's what it's gonna be. 46 00:02:41,578 --> 00:02:43,288 I do. 47 00:02:43,329 --> 00:02:46,166 Alex Jones will meet me face to face. 48 00:02:52,797 --> 00:02:56,634 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 49 00:02:56,718 --> 00:02:59,054 ALEX: Hello, Austin, Texas. I'm Alex Jones, 50 00:02:59,095 --> 00:03:00,764 and you're watching Exposing Mass Media. 51 00:03:02,474 --> 00:03:04,309 ALEX: That's what we've got to talk about. 52 00:03:04,351 --> 00:03:06,644 I've got quite a few programs that you'll see live 53 00:03:06,686 --> 00:03:09,022 here on Austin Community Access Centre. 54 00:03:09,105 --> 00:03:11,149 The simple way the world works, okay? 55 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:12,901 RUSSELL DOWDEN: We always looked up to him. 56 00:03:12,984 --> 00:03:15,987 The guy that started out, you know, 22 years old 57 00:03:16,071 --> 00:03:18,156 in public access television. 58 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:20,909 When I fear something, I go after it! 59 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:23,495 Makeup, lovey, makeup. 60 00:03:23,536 --> 00:03:25,121 RUSSELL: Public Access in Austin 61 00:03:25,204 --> 00:03:28,249 is a bit of a cultural phenomenon unto itself, 62 00:03:28,333 --> 00:03:31,378 and it's one of the oldest in the country. 63 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:33,171 You know, there was a lot of freedom 64 00:03:33,254 --> 00:03:35,215 to the programming that was available, 65 00:03:35,298 --> 00:03:37,384 but it was shared all over the US. 66 00:03:37,466 --> 00:03:38,718 GREG ERICSON: You're on the air. 67 00:03:38,802 --> 00:03:40,095 RUSSELL: There was guys that would come on there 68 00:03:40,178 --> 00:03:41,680 and talk about serious political issues 69 00:03:41,763 --> 00:03:45,225 with a toilet bowl ring wrapped around their neck. 70 00:03:45,308 --> 00:03:47,852 Now, there's somebody a lot smarter than I am, see? 71 00:03:47,894 --> 00:03:50,522 I wouldn't say in all of it being conspiratorial, 72 00:03:50,563 --> 00:03:53,775 but it was a very free-thinking forum. 73 00:03:54,317 --> 00:03:55,694 Hail Satan. 74 00:03:56,820 --> 00:03:58,655 Righteously, mother-- 75 00:03:58,697 --> 00:04:01,199 I come on public access and hang out. 76 00:04:01,282 --> 00:04:02,701 I'm on 24 hours a day, they say. 77 00:04:02,784 --> 00:04:04,619 CALLER: (CHUCKLES) Yeah, very-- pretty close. 78 00:04:04,703 --> 00:04:06,371 Well, I can assure you I don't make any money 79 00:04:06,454 --> 00:04:07,872 off public access. 80 00:04:07,956 --> 00:04:11,918 But Alex eventually stood out as he got thicker skin. 81 00:04:12,002 --> 00:04:13,003 It hasn't stopped! 82 00:04:13,044 --> 00:04:16,047 (OVERLAPPING ARGUING) 83 00:04:16,130 --> 00:04:19,259 RUSSELL: His ability to capture that audience, it's impressive. 84 00:04:19,341 --> 00:04:20,719 You watched because you didn't know 85 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,847 what the guy was gonna say next. You didn't know. 86 00:04:23,888 --> 00:04:26,933 (CACKLES) We love you, we're the government. 87 00:04:27,017 --> 00:04:28,351 CALLER: That's what scares me. 88 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:32,105 We're smiling-faced bureaucrats. Ooh! 89 00:04:32,188 --> 00:04:34,566 He was fucking hilarious, man. 90 00:04:35,150 --> 00:04:36,234 He would rant and rave, 91 00:04:36,317 --> 00:04:37,902 and there'd be times when he'd blow up 92 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:40,488 and get red faced and started spitting. 93 00:04:40,572 --> 00:04:43,199 It was absolutely hilarious, entertaining as hell. 94 00:04:43,241 --> 00:04:44,909 I'm sorry for you. 95 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:47,328 The thing that really caught my attention 96 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:50,081 was when he was pointing out that there was fluoride 97 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:51,916 in the baby water. 98 00:04:51,957 --> 00:04:54,544 'Cause he's like, "Oh, they're putting fluoride, 99 00:04:54,586 --> 00:04:57,839 the poison into the baby water. Oh! Just for the baby." 100 00:04:57,922 --> 00:05:00,842 He'd do his entire antics. And it caught my attention. 101 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:04,262 I was like, "Yeah, why are they putting fluoride 102 00:05:04,346 --> 00:05:05,597 in the baby water?" 103 00:05:05,638 --> 00:05:08,433 I don't want to see the baby get poisoned, you know. 104 00:05:08,475 --> 00:05:10,518 It's hard to be an awake person. 105 00:05:10,602 --> 00:05:12,312 I was totally hooked. 106 00:05:13,188 --> 00:05:14,522 Look at this. 107 00:05:14,606 --> 00:05:15,940 JOSH OWENS: My friend leaned over to me, and he was like, 108 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:18,860 "You know, if you've ever looked at your toothpaste, 109 00:05:18,943 --> 00:05:22,322 and it says, if you swallow more than a pea-sized amount, 110 00:05:22,906 --> 00:05:23,948 call Poison Control. 111 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:25,909 Why do you think they put that in the water supply?" 112 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:27,285 "No idea, I don't know." 113 00:05:27,327 --> 00:05:29,371 And he's like, "Well, it's mind control." 114 00:05:31,623 --> 00:05:33,500 ALEX: We have been predicting 115 00:05:33,582 --> 00:05:36,127 this nightmarish development 116 00:05:36,211 --> 00:05:38,630 for years. 117 00:05:38,713 --> 00:05:40,882 Either the government actually carried out 118 00:05:40,965 --> 00:05:42,384 this bombing themselves, 119 00:05:42,467 --> 00:05:46,179 or, ladies and gentlemen, they allowed terrorists 120 00:05:46,262 --> 00:05:48,264 to engage in this sinister activity. 121 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:49,933 RUSSELL: He started getting a following. 122 00:05:49,974 --> 00:05:51,308 And I think after 9/11, 123 00:05:51,393 --> 00:05:53,978 his-- his listenership and audience grew. 124 00:05:56,523 --> 00:05:57,816 ALEX: Look at that, ladies and gentlemen. 125 00:05:57,857 --> 00:06:00,402 Look at it drop from demolitions in the bottom. 126 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:03,488 CHRISTOPHER JORDAN: He'd gone from local broadcast 127 00:06:03,571 --> 00:06:04,823 to national broadcast. 128 00:06:04,864 --> 00:06:08,493 He became four hours a day, six days a week. 129 00:06:09,244 --> 00:06:12,205 There was never a... 130 00:06:12,288 --> 00:06:14,666 "Hey, here's the production meeting 131 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:16,418 in the morning." 132 00:06:16,501 --> 00:06:19,045 It was as organic as you could get. 133 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:23,133 I came in, two, three hours before everyone else, 134 00:06:23,174 --> 00:06:25,635 and started printing news stories. 135 00:06:25,677 --> 00:06:28,221 There was one stack that was the juice. 136 00:06:28,304 --> 00:06:30,807 Boom. And he would just freeform. 137 00:06:31,850 --> 00:06:33,768 Here's the headline. 138 00:06:33,852 --> 00:06:37,731 "Fukushima radioactive wave has already hit California." 139 00:06:37,814 --> 00:06:40,483 It's taken two plus years for that to get here. 140 00:06:40,525 --> 00:06:42,110 I mean, it was like that with him. 141 00:06:42,193 --> 00:06:43,570 He got an idea, and he wanted you 142 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:45,488 to go do it right then. 143 00:06:46,698 --> 00:06:47,907 It was, "You're going to drive 144 00:06:47,991 --> 00:06:51,411 all along the coast of California and do a reading. 145 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:53,538 And post a video, immediately." 146 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:56,124 They're doing their various readings at this moment. 147 00:06:56,207 --> 00:06:57,375 And from what I'm told, 148 00:06:57,459 --> 00:07:00,920 Adan, we still have 15 microrems, is that correct? 149 00:07:01,004 --> 00:07:04,591 We found, specifically, 150 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:07,177 that there were not high radiation levels. 151 00:07:09,179 --> 00:07:14,434 We get a call and they're like, "Jones is furious. 152 00:07:14,517 --> 00:07:17,187 Stop posting these videos saying that 153 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:20,857 there aren't high levels of radiation in California." 154 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:23,985 ALEX: Radiation levels have more than doubled 155 00:07:24,027 --> 00:07:25,403 in the last 60 years and... 156 00:07:25,487 --> 00:07:27,322 JOSH: Jones started selling 157 00:07:27,405 --> 00:07:29,532 his first privately labeled supplement. 158 00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:32,702 Infowars Life, which was an iodine supplement. 159 00:07:32,744 --> 00:07:34,954 Talking about Fukushima, I realized in the last segment 160 00:07:35,038 --> 00:07:36,581 that I've only taken it this morning, 161 00:07:36,664 --> 00:07:38,541 I take it twice a day as recommended. 162 00:07:38,582 --> 00:07:42,253 He somehow turned some geopolitical story 163 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:44,714 into a need for a supplement. 164 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:49,094 When Jones started getting so mad at us 165 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:50,428 for posting those videos, 166 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:51,971 it was, "Oh, okay. 167 00:07:53,390 --> 00:07:55,725 We did come here to sell a product." 168 00:07:55,767 --> 00:07:57,644 ALEX: The government will not tell you 169 00:07:57,727 --> 00:07:59,604 that during increased radiation levels, 170 00:07:59,688 --> 00:08:02,065 you need more iodine to protect the thyroid. 171 00:08:02,107 --> 00:08:03,733 They will not tell you this. 172 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:06,611 Did we think he wanted us to lie? 173 00:08:06,653 --> 00:08:07,821 Yeah, it was obvious. 174 00:08:07,904 --> 00:08:10,949 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 175 00:08:20,582 --> 00:08:22,502 MARK BARDEN: On that Friday morning, 176 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:24,462 I hear little footsteps running up behind me. 177 00:08:24,546 --> 00:08:25,880 And it's little Daniel. 178 00:08:29,801 --> 00:08:32,595 We got on this couch right behind me here, and... 179 00:08:32,636 --> 00:08:34,931 I said, "You know, it's not even daylight yet. 180 00:08:34,972 --> 00:08:36,515 You have time if you wanna go back to bed 181 00:08:36,599 --> 00:08:37,767 and sleep a little more." 182 00:08:37,808 --> 00:08:39,977 And he said, "No, Dad, let's cuddle on the couch. 183 00:08:40,061 --> 00:08:42,397 We'll have time for cuddling this way." 184 00:08:42,438 --> 00:08:44,399 And Daniel says, "Dad, look at how you can see 185 00:08:44,482 --> 00:08:46,735 the reflection of our Christmas tree lights 186 00:08:46,818 --> 00:08:49,904 in the window with that beautiful sunrise behind it." 187 00:08:51,573 --> 00:08:53,116 So, I said, "You know what? You're right, 188 00:08:53,158 --> 00:08:54,200 I'm going to go get the camera." 189 00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:57,996 I have a picture of that sunrise that morning 190 00:08:58,038 --> 00:09:00,665 with the Christmas tree lights reflecting in the window. 191 00:09:01,833 --> 00:09:03,835 And I really wish I'd turned the camera round 192 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:05,086 and taken a picture of him. 193 00:09:05,337 --> 00:09:06,963 (SIGHS) 194 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:14,679 ALISSA PARKER: For our church, we were preparing for this 195 00:09:14,763 --> 00:09:16,848 big Christmas party that we were having, 196 00:09:16,931 --> 00:09:18,850 and they were doing this nativity scene. 197 00:09:18,892 --> 00:09:22,395 And Emilie was going to be an angel at this nativity scene. 198 00:09:22,479 --> 00:09:25,565 She was awake and she was sitting on the edge of her bed 199 00:09:25,648 --> 00:09:28,318 waiting for seven o'clock to happen. (CHUCKLES) 200 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,737 I got a chance to just sit next to her 201 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:32,697 and give her a hug and tell her how much I loved her, 202 00:09:32,781 --> 00:09:35,116 and that wasn't something that I got to do very often 203 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,284 before I went to work. 204 00:09:40,038 --> 00:09:41,706 NEIL: "Come on, Jess. We gotta get up 205 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:43,290 and get ready to go to school." 206 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:50,757 He got up and, um... 207 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:55,220 was poking around, poking along, dogging along. 208 00:09:56,763 --> 00:09:58,223 And my mind was contemplating 209 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:00,642 whether to send him to school that day. 210 00:10:01,643 --> 00:10:03,228 But it was class project day. 211 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:05,730 We were each going to make a gingerbread house. 212 00:10:06,815 --> 00:10:09,317 The only reason I think I sent him was because 213 00:10:09,401 --> 00:10:12,320 we were supposed to make those stupid gingerbread houses. 214 00:10:13,405 --> 00:10:15,782 I really-- I think often about that. 215 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:22,122 And I walked him into the school. 216 00:10:22,205 --> 00:10:23,373 He was holding my hand 217 00:10:23,415 --> 00:10:25,291 and he darted into the classroom. 218 00:10:27,085 --> 00:10:31,381 And that was the last I saw him. Alive, anyway. 219 00:10:38,638 --> 00:10:40,432 Forty-five minutes later, 220 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:42,809 we started to get the text messages. 221 00:10:42,892 --> 00:10:46,229 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 222 00:11:01,828 --> 00:11:04,956 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 223 00:11:10,587 --> 00:11:12,255 DANIEL JEWISS: Unfortunately, sometimes, 224 00:11:12,297 --> 00:11:14,799 when evil walks in your door, 225 00:11:14,841 --> 00:11:17,218 and you only have a short amount of time, 226 00:11:17,302 --> 00:11:19,304 there wasn't much that they could do. 227 00:11:19,387 --> 00:11:22,474 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 228 00:11:25,477 --> 00:11:27,479 JEWISS: His first shooting is the eight rounds 229 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,605 that he shoots through that window 230 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:29,898 at the front of the building. 231 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:33,276 He then makes entrance into the lobby. 232 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:38,573 Upon hearing the commotion, the school principal, 233 00:11:38,615 --> 00:11:42,786 Dawn Hochsprung, gets up and heads to the door. 234 00:11:42,827 --> 00:11:45,121 She tells her people to stay put, 235 00:11:45,163 --> 00:11:46,956 uh, but they don't listen to her, right. 236 00:11:46,998 --> 00:11:50,835 Mary Sherlach, the psychologist, is actually right on her heels. 237 00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:52,837 And they start to make their way down the hallway 238 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:56,174 towards the lobby, when they're shot and killed. 239 00:11:57,425 --> 00:12:00,261 (PHONE RINGING) 240 00:12:00,345 --> 00:12:02,847 DISPATCHER: Newtown 911, what's the location of your emergency? 241 00:12:02,931 --> 00:12:05,392 SECRETARY: Sandy Hook school. I think somebody's got a gun. 242 00:12:05,475 --> 00:12:06,726 I caught a glimpse of somebody. 243 00:12:06,810 --> 00:12:08,269 They're running down the hallway. 244 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:10,355 (PANTING) 245 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:11,564 JEWISS: The first 911 call, 246 00:12:11,648 --> 00:12:14,693 I estimate that that's probably about a minute and a half 247 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:17,195 after the shooting actually begins. 248 00:12:17,237 --> 00:12:18,655 TEACHER: We're in the classroom, 249 00:12:18,697 --> 00:12:22,033 and my children are just scared, and we wanted to know an update. 250 00:12:22,117 --> 00:12:24,869 -(CHILD TALKING) -(TEACHER SHUSHES) 251 00:12:24,911 --> 00:12:26,371 JEWISS: He continues down the hallway, 252 00:12:26,454 --> 00:12:30,208 and I believe that the first room that he goes into 253 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:32,210 is classroom ten. 254 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:35,547 And some of them start to react and move. 255 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:37,340 It's more difficult than it looks like 256 00:12:37,382 --> 00:12:39,551 to actually shoot somebody, 257 00:12:39,634 --> 00:12:41,845 especially somebody that's moving. 258 00:12:44,305 --> 00:12:46,891 There are several students that are able to escape 259 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:48,435 from that room. 260 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:53,648 In each one of these classrooms there's a small bathroom, 261 00:12:53,732 --> 00:12:56,985 and two of the students actually take up hiding in the bathroom. 262 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:02,615 He shoots and kills the teacher, Victoria Soto, 263 00:13:02,699 --> 00:13:06,411 and the teacher's aide, Anne Marie Murphy. 264 00:13:06,453 --> 00:13:09,873 Uh, Anne Marie was still clutching the student 265 00:13:09,914 --> 00:13:12,334 that she took care of, Dylan Hockley, 266 00:13:13,043 --> 00:13:14,336 who was also killed. 267 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:21,092 And he also killed Jesse Lewis, Avielle Richman, 268 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:25,847 Allison Wyatt, and Olivia Engel. 269 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:29,642 I then believe that he leaves classroom ten 270 00:13:29,726 --> 00:13:31,269 and goes into classroom eight. 271 00:13:32,771 --> 00:13:35,732 And again, now by this time, 272 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:38,526 this classroom has the ability to have reacted, 273 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:41,571 to gather into what they believe would be a safe location. 274 00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:44,282 In this case, they've chosen that very small bathroom 275 00:13:44,366 --> 00:13:48,828 that's in the far-left corner of their classroom. 276 00:13:48,912 --> 00:13:52,832 All the kids are able to get into that bathroom, 277 00:13:52,915 --> 00:13:54,209 but the two adults aren't 278 00:13:54,292 --> 00:13:56,628 and they're standing just outside. 279 00:13:56,670 --> 00:13:58,713 And when he walks in there, 280 00:13:58,797 --> 00:14:01,841 he shoots and kills the substitute teacher, 281 00:14:01,925 --> 00:14:03,468 Lauren Rousseau, 282 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:06,554 and the behavior specialist that was in that room, 283 00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:07,931 Rachel D'Avino. 284 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:11,059 They both gave their lives trying to protect those kids. 285 00:14:13,603 --> 00:14:18,525 And he also kills Daniel Barden, Charlotte Bacon, 286 00:14:19,943 --> 00:14:24,030 Josephine Gay, Madeleine Hsu, 287 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,327 Catherine Hubbard, Chase Kowalski, 288 00:14:30,912 --> 00:14:35,040 James Mattioli, Ana Marquez-Greene, 289 00:14:36,543 --> 00:14:40,422 Grace McDonnell, Jack Pinto, 290 00:14:42,257 --> 00:14:46,636 Noah Pozner, Caroline Previdi, 291 00:14:48,013 --> 00:14:52,267 Emilie Parker, Jessica Rekos, 292 00:14:53,518 --> 00:14:54,894 and Benjamin Wheeler. 293 00:14:56,104 --> 00:14:58,398 There's... There's one survivor 294 00:14:58,481 --> 00:15:01,192 in that group of kids that are in the bathroom, 295 00:15:01,276 --> 00:15:05,113 and she just, miraculously, was not struck. 296 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:12,037 I believe in that room he fires about 80 rounds. 297 00:15:13,538 --> 00:15:17,667 They're aimed shots at extremely close range. 298 00:15:17,709 --> 00:15:20,712 He's squeezing the trigger rapidly. 299 00:15:24,382 --> 00:15:26,926 Then I believe that he actually then walks back 300 00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:28,136 to classroom ten. 301 00:15:28,219 --> 00:15:32,057 He's fired two rounds with the 10mm, 302 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:35,935 one goes up into the ceiling and he puts the suicide shot 303 00:15:36,019 --> 00:15:37,228 into his head. 304 00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:43,026 From when he starts shooting to when he commits suicide, 305 00:15:43,068 --> 00:15:45,570 the whole incident ends up being about six minutes. 306 00:15:46,905 --> 00:15:50,992 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 307 00:15:51,076 --> 00:15:53,244 (ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS) 308 00:15:54,204 --> 00:15:55,372 SECRETARY: Good morning. 309 00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:59,876 Uh, this message is for Sandy Hook parents only. 310 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:03,338 At this time, if you have not already done so, 311 00:16:03,421 --> 00:16:06,758 you may go to the Sandy Hook firehouse 312 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,593 and pick up your child. 313 00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:13,139 All other Newtown schools remain in lockdown. 314 00:16:13,723 --> 00:16:14,724 Thank you. 315 00:16:14,766 --> 00:16:16,351 (LINE DISCONNECTS) 316 00:16:16,434 --> 00:16:18,561 SCARLETT: Nothing can ever happen to your child... 317 00:16:20,438 --> 00:16:23,274 so I really wasn't even that worried, frankly. 318 00:16:25,151 --> 00:16:27,237 NEIL: I walked to the firehouse first. 319 00:16:28,446 --> 00:16:30,990 And then, by that time, Scarlett had gotten there 320 00:16:31,074 --> 00:16:33,368 and we-- we still couldn't find Jesse. 321 00:16:35,078 --> 00:16:36,287 SCARLETT: I walked up to somebody 322 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:38,081 official-looking in a uniform, 323 00:16:38,123 --> 00:16:41,459 and I said, "I'm looking for my son, Jesse Lewis." 324 00:16:41,501 --> 00:16:42,961 They said, "If you can't find him, 325 00:16:43,044 --> 00:16:44,587 put his name down on a list." 326 00:16:45,255 --> 00:16:46,840 There was a long list, 327 00:16:46,923 --> 00:16:48,717 and never in a million years did I think 328 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,593 that all of those people were dead. 329 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:54,681 A police officer walked up to me and said, 330 00:16:54,764 --> 00:16:57,767 "Did Jesse have any identifying marks on his body?" 331 00:17:01,604 --> 00:17:05,150 (SNIFFS) And... he did. 332 00:17:05,233 --> 00:17:08,319 He had a little mole on the top of his right foot. 333 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:12,156 (SNIFFS) So, I thought to myself... 334 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:16,118 "That's not a good sign." 335 00:17:21,583 --> 00:17:22,584 (SIGHS) 336 00:17:26,171 --> 00:17:27,839 NEIL: And it must have been around three o'clock, 337 00:17:27,922 --> 00:17:34,137 I remember Governor Malloy getting up, making a speech. 338 00:17:34,971 --> 00:17:36,639 I remember speaking up, saying, 339 00:17:36,681 --> 00:17:40,101 "Are there any survivors left in the school? 340 00:17:40,852 --> 00:17:44,105 Is anybody alive that is missing?" 341 00:17:45,023 --> 00:17:46,358 And he didn't answer the question, 342 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:48,360 and I asked it a couple of times 343 00:17:48,443 --> 00:17:50,320 and he finally said-- put his head down 344 00:17:50,362 --> 00:17:53,615 and said, "No, there's no survivors." 345 00:17:54,991 --> 00:18:00,538 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 346 00:18:00,580 --> 00:18:03,667 NICOLE HOCKLEY: I was able to see him before we cremated him. 347 00:18:04,668 --> 00:18:06,378 And they instructed me, 348 00:18:06,461 --> 00:18:10,590 you know, um, "Don't touch him except for his hands 349 00:18:10,674 --> 00:18:14,052 because you won't like what you feel." 350 00:18:14,094 --> 00:18:18,264 He was, um, in the arms of Anne Marie, 351 00:18:18,348 --> 00:18:19,724 his special education assistant. 352 00:18:19,808 --> 00:18:22,185 They said the way that their bodies were found, 353 00:18:22,227 --> 00:18:25,355 him on his back with the knees and her arms around him, 354 00:18:25,397 --> 00:18:27,816 that she had been trying to protect him. 355 00:18:27,899 --> 00:18:29,234 I know from the autopsy report 356 00:18:29,317 --> 00:18:33,238 that some of, um, the fragments from her body 357 00:18:33,321 --> 00:18:35,240 were actually lodged into his, 358 00:18:35,323 --> 00:18:37,200 because of the impact of the bullets. 359 00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:45,458 SCARLETT: I held his hand for hours... 360 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,838 until it got warm. 361 00:18:51,715 --> 00:18:54,759 It-- it almost felt like a live hand, 362 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:56,970 and I looked at the fingernails, 363 00:18:57,053 --> 00:18:59,764 and the fingernails still had dirt... 364 00:18:59,848 --> 00:19:01,474 (SNIFFS) ...under them. 365 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:06,896 LENNY POZNER: He was in the funeral home. 366 00:19:08,189 --> 00:19:11,276 His face was, um, covered with a cloth 367 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,695 from his nose down. 368 00:19:14,696 --> 00:19:16,948 We were told that he has an injury there, 369 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:21,161 and it's better to keep a cloth over his mouth. 370 00:19:22,454 --> 00:19:24,831 I kissed his forehead, and it was very cold, 371 00:19:25,749 --> 00:19:29,753 and not the same sensation 372 00:19:29,794 --> 00:19:31,838 as the thousands of times 373 00:19:31,921 --> 00:19:33,298 I've kissed him on his forehead, 374 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:36,301 so it was... um... 375 00:19:38,553 --> 00:19:39,554 very shocking. 376 00:19:41,514 --> 00:19:43,308 NOAH POZNER: (ON VIDEO) ...defeated the Goblin, 377 00:19:43,391 --> 00:19:46,353 and the Goblin was still... 378 00:19:46,436 --> 00:19:47,812 he was fighting back and still alive... 379 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:52,317 VERONIQUE DE LA ROSA: He had just turned six, and, um... 380 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,070 (NOAH CONTINUES SPEAKING) 381 00:19:55,153 --> 00:19:56,404 VERONIQUE: I would hear him. 382 00:19:57,655 --> 00:19:59,824 I would see him out of the corner of my eye, 383 00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:01,576 but he was never really there. 384 00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:09,084 And I just kind of willed myself 385 00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:12,337 to see him running in the snow 386 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:15,382 with his jacket on, coming towards the house... 387 00:20:15,465 --> 00:20:16,424 (SNIFFS) 388 00:20:16,508 --> 00:20:18,843 ...and telling me that he had gotten away... 389 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,806 from the shooter. 390 00:20:24,808 --> 00:20:27,519 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 391 00:20:27,602 --> 00:20:30,438 ALEX: Ladies and gentlemen, it is Friday. 392 00:20:30,522 --> 00:20:33,733 Thank you so much for joining us the 14th day 393 00:20:33,817 --> 00:20:36,695 of December 2012, 394 00:20:36,736 --> 00:20:40,156 and there is a reported school shooting in Connecticut, 395 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,368 one of the states that has draconian restrictions 396 00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:45,662 on gun ownership. 397 00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:47,872 BANKSTON: Mr. Jones, I want to show you some video clips 398 00:20:47,956 --> 00:20:52,210 of some things you were saying as news broke of Sandy Hook. 399 00:20:52,252 --> 00:20:55,714 And in a video that day that you titled 400 00:20:55,755 --> 00:21:00,218 "Connecticut School Massacre Looks Like False Flag, 401 00:21:00,301 --> 00:21:01,553 Says Witnesses." 402 00:21:01,636 --> 00:21:04,222 Can you play the clip "Day of Sandy Hook"? 403 00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:06,349 (COUGHS) 404 00:21:06,391 --> 00:21:09,519 And I said, "They are going to come after our guns, 405 00:21:09,561 --> 00:21:11,312 look for mass shootings," 406 00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:13,398 and then magically it happens. 407 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,775 They are coming. They are coming. 408 00:21:15,859 --> 00:21:16,943 They are coming. 409 00:21:17,027 --> 00:21:19,571 BANKSTON: You were the first person in the world 410 00:21:19,654 --> 00:21:22,240 to make the false flag theory about Sandy Hook, 411 00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:24,826 and you did it before the bodies were even cold. 412 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:25,744 That's the truth. 413 00:21:25,827 --> 00:21:27,412 -ATTORNEY: Objection. -No, it's not true. 414 00:21:29,247 --> 00:21:30,874 This is staged. 415 00:21:30,915 --> 00:21:32,667 And you know I've been saying the last few months, 416 00:21:32,751 --> 00:21:34,711 get ready for big mass shootings. 417 00:21:36,546 --> 00:21:38,340 BANKSTON: From the very beginning, 418 00:21:39,424 --> 00:21:41,259 Sandy Hook parents have been asking you 419 00:21:41,301 --> 00:21:42,844 to leave them alone, right? 420 00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:47,640 I don't remember that from the very beginning, no. 421 00:21:47,724 --> 00:21:48,850 BANKSTON: Okay. 422 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,856 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 423 00:21:58,318 --> 00:21:59,778 ROBBIE PARKER: It's just weird as a human being 424 00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:01,905 to be in a position where you feel like 425 00:22:01,946 --> 00:22:04,783 you have zero hope for anything anymore. 426 00:22:05,867 --> 00:22:07,327 I just didn't know how to respond, 427 00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:09,120 we didn't know how to react. 428 00:22:09,204 --> 00:22:11,373 Within hours, on the first night, 429 00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:13,458 I remember getting phone calls from reporters, 430 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:15,001 and so I turned my phone off. 431 00:22:16,628 --> 00:22:17,962 But I keep getting calls. 432 00:22:18,004 --> 00:22:21,758 And so, I decided that they weren't going to stop 433 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,802 until they found somebody to talk to. 434 00:22:23,843 --> 00:22:26,638 And so, I decided that the best thing to do 435 00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:28,640 was for me to give a statement, 436 00:22:28,682 --> 00:22:32,310 because I figured if I gave them something 437 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:34,187 that they could chew on for a while, 438 00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:35,480 then they would leave us alone. 439 00:22:43,738 --> 00:22:45,198 ROBBIE: The shooting was on Friday. 440 00:22:45,281 --> 00:22:47,033 Saturday evening, I gave the statement. 441 00:22:50,662 --> 00:22:52,414 I'd never done something like this. 442 00:22:52,497 --> 00:22:53,873 All these bright lights are on me, 443 00:22:53,957 --> 00:22:54,874 and I can't see anybody, 444 00:22:54,958 --> 00:22:57,210 and I just was kind of confused and nervous, 445 00:22:57,293 --> 00:22:59,629 and just kind of gave this laugh, like, 446 00:22:59,671 --> 00:23:01,089 "I don't know what to do here." 447 00:23:02,257 --> 00:23:05,135 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 448 00:23:05,176 --> 00:23:06,302 So, I've never done this before. 449 00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:07,512 Do you guys just want me to start? 450 00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:09,347 -REPORTER: Yeah. -Okay. 451 00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:11,599 (SIGHS DEEPLY) 452 00:23:21,151 --> 00:23:22,485 So, my name's Robbie Parker. 453 00:23:24,195 --> 00:23:29,826 My family is one of the families that lost a child yesterday 454 00:23:29,868 --> 00:23:32,412 in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings 455 00:23:32,495 --> 00:23:33,663 here in Connecticut. 456 00:23:33,705 --> 00:23:36,374 I just wanted to share about who my daughter was. 457 00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:39,961 I had prepared something that I wanted to share, 458 00:23:40,045 --> 00:23:42,881 and so... I shared it. 459 00:23:44,632 --> 00:23:48,803 Emilie was bright, creative, and very loving. 460 00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:51,014 Emilie was always willing to try new things, 461 00:23:51,931 --> 00:23:52,932 other than food. 462 00:23:54,017 --> 00:23:56,186 There was no way I could have done that. 463 00:23:56,269 --> 00:23:58,772 It was really hard for him to do that. 464 00:23:58,855 --> 00:24:03,902 And he did it because of her, because he was her father. 465 00:24:05,695 --> 00:24:07,322 He wanted the world to know 466 00:24:07,405 --> 00:24:09,783 that she was not just this victim, 467 00:24:09,866 --> 00:24:12,243 that she was this amazing kid. 468 00:24:15,872 --> 00:24:19,084 That's when our world turned upside down again. 469 00:24:20,293 --> 00:24:22,003 We're going to, um... 470 00:24:23,421 --> 00:24:26,257 play a clip from a CNN press conference 471 00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:27,759 with Robbie Parker. 472 00:24:27,842 --> 00:24:30,428 It started... Yeah, it started less than 473 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:31,888 48 hours after the shooting, 474 00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:35,725 and then it just grew exponentially from there. 475 00:24:37,018 --> 00:24:39,562 ALEX: And then he walks up like he's an actor, 476 00:24:39,604 --> 00:24:41,690 and then breaks down on camera. 477 00:24:42,732 --> 00:24:44,943 I mean, it's like, "Ha ha ha, yeah, ha. 478 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:48,071 Oh, I read this card? Okay." (FAKE CRIES) 479 00:24:48,113 --> 00:24:51,741 I mean, it's like, "Whoa! Whoa!" 480 00:24:51,783 --> 00:24:54,953 He does look like a soap opera actor. 481 00:24:58,832 --> 00:25:00,667 So, he's really smiling and looks happy, 482 00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:02,127 and all of a sudden, suddenly... 483 00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:05,463 It looks totally fake. 484 00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:06,756 This video is unbelievable. 485 00:25:06,798 --> 00:25:08,758 We're just gonna post the video... 486 00:25:09,634 --> 00:25:10,969 and let you decide what you think. 487 00:25:11,052 --> 00:25:14,055 He needs to-- I mean, maybe he should explain it to us. 488 00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:15,974 We need to analyze all these videos now. 489 00:25:16,057 --> 00:25:17,517 Heaven help us, ladies and gentlemen. 490 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,727 Heaven help us. 491 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:20,645 I've never seen anything like that. 492 00:25:22,605 --> 00:25:25,025 ROBBIE: It got vile very, very quickly. 493 00:25:26,735 --> 00:25:30,864 Emilie's Memorial Facebook page became inundated. 494 00:25:30,947 --> 00:25:32,574 Like, "Fuck you, motherfucker." 495 00:25:32,657 --> 00:25:35,160 And "I have your email, I know where you live. 496 00:25:35,243 --> 00:25:36,244 I have a gun." 497 00:25:37,162 --> 00:25:38,455 ALISSA: We would get emails. 498 00:25:38,496 --> 00:25:41,332 We would get letters sent to our home, 499 00:25:41,374 --> 00:25:42,751 threatening us. 500 00:25:43,835 --> 00:25:47,422 You know, just saying all sorts of horrible things. 501 00:25:47,505 --> 00:25:50,175 You know, that Emilie was a whore, 502 00:25:50,258 --> 00:25:52,719 that Emilie was alive. 503 00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:55,847 Totally stomped on and trashed 504 00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:57,349 the memory of the six-year-old girl 505 00:25:57,432 --> 00:26:01,269 who had done nothing in her life to deserve any of that. 506 00:26:04,356 --> 00:26:06,024 You know, I would see it and I would just delete it, 507 00:26:06,107 --> 00:26:07,567 I would see it and I would delete it, 508 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:09,652 because I didn't want to expose myself to it. 509 00:26:11,363 --> 00:26:13,990 It was everywhere. 510 00:26:15,283 --> 00:26:18,787 Websites set up to destroy him. 511 00:26:19,371 --> 00:26:22,207 "Liar. Actor." 512 00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:26,044 I remember getting on YouTube, it wouldn't stop. 513 00:26:26,086 --> 00:26:29,089 I could scroll and scroll and just keep scrolling, 514 00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:32,884 video after video after video of him just being mocked. 515 00:26:34,302 --> 00:26:39,724 It got to the point where it was controlling my life in a way. 516 00:26:39,808 --> 00:26:42,394 You got parents laughing, going "Ha ha ha! Watch this!" 517 00:26:42,435 --> 00:26:43,561 and then going... (FAKE SOBS) 518 00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:45,897 Method acting, going... (FAKE SOBS) 519 00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:48,650 (WHIMPERING) "Oh, my child!" 520 00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:51,027 I mean, it's just ridiculous. 521 00:26:54,948 --> 00:26:56,616 VERONIQUE: I remember the funeral. 522 00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:00,870 I went into a state of shock. 523 00:27:00,912 --> 00:27:03,415 I was just on autopilot. 524 00:27:03,498 --> 00:27:06,918 On Monday, there was a funeral for six-year-old Noah Pozner. 525 00:27:07,002 --> 00:27:09,462 I spoke with Noah's mother, Veronique Pozner, 526 00:27:09,546 --> 00:27:10,714 just a short time ago... 527 00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:13,299 VERONIQUE: I know that I did an interview 528 00:27:13,383 --> 00:27:14,509 with Anderson Cooper 529 00:27:14,592 --> 00:27:17,929 because it was the autopilot part of me 530 00:27:17,971 --> 00:27:21,349 that kind of wanted to convey what just happened. 531 00:27:21,433 --> 00:27:23,476 I'm grieving, that's all. 532 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,061 -Like we all are. -Yeah. 533 00:27:25,103 --> 00:27:26,730 -I wish you strength... -Thank you. 534 00:27:26,771 --> 00:27:28,356 -...and peace in the days ahead. -Thank you. 535 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,609 -I know it's hard. Yeah. -Thank you. I'm going to need it. Thank you. 536 00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:33,778 Now, a lot of the tens of millions 537 00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:35,655 of video views on YouTube 538 00:27:35,739 --> 00:27:40,118 concerning the Sandy Hook hoax 539 00:27:40,785 --> 00:27:42,537 surround CNN. 540 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:43,955 (TV STATIC) 541 00:27:43,997 --> 00:27:47,792 ALEX: I saw this footage where Anderson Cooper turns. 542 00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:50,670 He's supposedly there at Sandy Hook 543 00:27:50,754 --> 00:27:52,255 in front of the memorial, 544 00:27:52,297 --> 00:27:54,799 and his whole forehead and nose blurs out. 545 00:27:54,883 --> 00:27:57,552 I've been working with blue screen for 17 years. 546 00:27:57,635 --> 00:27:58,887 I know what it looks like. 547 00:27:58,970 --> 00:28:01,139 It's clearly blue screen. 548 00:28:01,181 --> 00:28:04,142 Somehow, that was a proof that we were not actually 549 00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:07,437 at that locale and that image of the town hall 550 00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:09,689 was being artificially projected. 551 00:28:09,773 --> 00:28:12,484 But the fact that this whole thing could be staged, 552 00:28:12,525 --> 00:28:14,444 it's just mind-blowing. 553 00:28:14,486 --> 00:28:18,323 LENNY: It was a digital motion glitch in the video, 554 00:28:18,406 --> 00:28:21,951 and that glitch doesn't exist in the original video. 555 00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:25,830 That only exists in the hoaxer version of the video. 556 00:28:29,417 --> 00:28:30,502 (TV STATIC) 557 00:28:30,585 --> 00:28:31,711 ALEX: Something though, 558 00:28:31,795 --> 00:28:34,130 is really starting to get suspicious here. 559 00:28:34,172 --> 00:28:37,509 I mean, I'm sick of it always being a conspiracy. 560 00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:42,555 He rehashed my "green screen" video 561 00:28:42,639 --> 00:28:45,934 for over five years, relentlessly. 562 00:28:46,017 --> 00:28:47,602 And you've got the green screens 563 00:28:47,686 --> 00:28:50,188 with Anderson Cooper's nose disappearing, 564 00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:53,149 you've just-- it just goes on and on, on and on. 565 00:28:53,191 --> 00:28:56,945 LENNY: Infowars were vilifying the parents. 566 00:28:57,028 --> 00:28:59,531 Anything that they can point their finger at 567 00:28:59,572 --> 00:29:02,033 to support their thesis. 568 00:29:02,117 --> 00:29:05,036 So, Wolfgang, recap the basic anomalies 569 00:29:05,078 --> 00:29:07,789 and then give us what happened in your new investigation. 570 00:29:07,872 --> 00:29:09,332 Thank you, Wolfgang, for joining us. 571 00:29:09,374 --> 00:29:10,709 LENNY: And at that point, 572 00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:13,670 Infowars had prompted up Wolfgang Halbig 573 00:29:13,712 --> 00:29:16,965 as this former law enforcement person 574 00:29:17,048 --> 00:29:20,385 who has experience with school safety, 575 00:29:20,427 --> 00:29:25,682 being this ultimate credible authority on the topic. 576 00:29:25,724 --> 00:29:27,600 I think something would be wrong with us 577 00:29:27,684 --> 00:29:28,893 not to question all these, 578 00:29:28,977 --> 00:29:31,896 and then you look at the green screens 579 00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:35,734 and the-- and just the lies and the fake videos and... 580 00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:38,403 And Halbig was denying the tragedy. 581 00:29:40,363 --> 00:29:41,865 Saying it did not happen. 582 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:49,664 (COMPUTER MOUSE CLICKS) 583 00:29:49,748 --> 00:29:51,499 WOLFGANG HALBIG: This is Leonard Pozner, 584 00:29:51,541 --> 00:29:54,044 who's playing the role of a parent 585 00:29:54,085 --> 00:29:56,338 who lost a child at Sandy Hook. 586 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,721 There's Robbie Parker. Now there is Emilie. 587 00:30:04,763 --> 00:30:07,474 I think Emilie is alive and well, doing good. 588 00:30:09,184 --> 00:30:14,439 Sandy Hook, it's an illusion. It was not real. 589 00:30:15,565 --> 00:30:18,943 The first thing is, why no trauma helicopters? 590 00:30:19,944 --> 00:30:23,323 Think about it, innocent children shot, 591 00:30:23,740 --> 00:30:25,116 teachers shot. 592 00:30:25,158 --> 00:30:28,953 And no trauma helicopters respond? 593 00:30:28,995 --> 00:30:30,872 You know, doctors can be on board, 594 00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:33,958 lifesaving, time of the essence. 595 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,755 And then, for us to learn that they never allowed 596 00:30:38,797 --> 00:30:42,425 any paramedics or EMTs inside the school? 597 00:30:42,467 --> 00:30:43,885 What the hell is that? 598 00:30:43,968 --> 00:30:50,308 They were not allowed inside that school, ever. Ever! 599 00:30:50,350 --> 00:30:52,310 -♪ ("RENEGADES OF FUNK" PLAYS) ♪ -♪ Since the prehistoric ages ♪ 600 00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:53,978 ♪ And the days Of ancient Greece... ♪ 601 00:30:54,062 --> 00:30:55,980 Wolfgang W. Halbig. 602 00:30:56,064 --> 00:30:57,232 WOLFGANG: Then I got a phone call. 603 00:30:57,315 --> 00:30:59,150 "Alex Jones would like to talk to you." 604 00:30:59,192 --> 00:31:01,736 I think he was trying to get me to validate 605 00:31:01,820 --> 00:31:03,154 what his thoughts were. 606 00:31:03,196 --> 00:31:06,032 You know, he called me back three more times, you know. 607 00:31:06,116 --> 00:31:08,868 They're taking the guns away from people in Connecticut, 608 00:31:08,952 --> 00:31:11,329 and they're using Sandy Hook as a nexus. 609 00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:14,332 It's so obvious they're using it to disarm us. 610 00:31:14,416 --> 00:31:18,003 They admit it. And it's just a total hoax. 611 00:31:18,086 --> 00:31:19,295 Oh, he hammered it. 612 00:31:19,337 --> 00:31:21,756 He was, you know. He said, you know, 613 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,009 "Fake actors, green screen." 614 00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:27,012 Oh, yeah, it was a vicious attack, you know. 615 00:31:27,095 --> 00:31:29,347 Uh, he said "Nobody died at Sandy Hook." 616 00:31:29,431 --> 00:31:30,932 See, I never said that. 617 00:31:31,016 --> 00:31:32,851 You're really sure, though, nobody died, 618 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,185 it was a total cut-out? 619 00:31:34,227 --> 00:31:37,022 I'm telling you, nobody died. 620 00:31:37,856 --> 00:31:39,149 For people to be saying, 621 00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:40,525 "This didn't happen. It was a hoax," 622 00:31:40,608 --> 00:31:42,902 and then you start seeing all the crazy things, 623 00:31:42,986 --> 00:31:45,196 and it was just... 624 00:31:45,238 --> 00:31:47,824 (CHUCKLES) What do you mean this didn't happen? 625 00:31:47,866 --> 00:31:49,868 When I woke up, that's when I realized 626 00:31:49,951 --> 00:31:51,369 there were no trauma helicopters... 627 00:31:51,411 --> 00:31:52,746 ALEX: You've got a bunch of kids shot, 628 00:31:52,829 --> 00:31:55,999 you don't even ask questions. Default helicopters launch. 629 00:31:56,041 --> 00:31:58,168 They didn't seem to accept logic. 630 00:31:58,209 --> 00:32:00,045 'Cause if you then answered a question, 631 00:32:00,128 --> 00:32:04,382 "Well, why this? Why weren't people airlifted 632 00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:05,633 to emergency rooms?" 633 00:32:05,675 --> 00:32:07,052 "Well, because they were all dead." 634 00:32:07,135 --> 00:32:11,139 WOLFGANG: Who has a 99.9 percent kill rate? 635 00:32:11,222 --> 00:32:15,185 There isn't an FBI agent, there isn't a Navy SEAL 636 00:32:15,226 --> 00:32:18,146 that's that good of a shot within eight minutes. 637 00:32:18,229 --> 00:32:21,775 You don't get 99.99 kill rates. 638 00:32:21,858 --> 00:32:23,985 It's just incredibly hard to do. 639 00:32:24,069 --> 00:32:26,863 "How could, you know, he have such a fantastic 640 00:32:26,905 --> 00:32:29,074 shooting accuracy that everyone died?" 641 00:32:29,157 --> 00:32:33,161 I don't know, you shove 15 kids into a three-foot bathroom, 642 00:32:33,244 --> 00:32:35,413 you're probably gonna have really good accuracy. 643 00:32:35,455 --> 00:32:37,207 WOLFGANG: This is so well planned, 644 00:32:37,248 --> 00:32:39,084 two, two and a half years, 645 00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:42,087 millions of dollars invested. Think about it, 646 00:32:42,128 --> 00:32:45,298 you had to get the entire community involved. 647 00:32:46,383 --> 00:32:47,258 Really? 648 00:32:47,342 --> 00:32:52,263 So a community of 28,000 people were in on this? 649 00:32:52,305 --> 00:32:55,266 That we were all pretending, and all the pictures 650 00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:57,769 and the experiences of the school beforehand, 651 00:32:58,728 --> 00:33:00,939 we fabricated this for years? 652 00:33:01,022 --> 00:33:04,317 It's just-- It's totally ridiculous. 653 00:33:04,401 --> 00:33:06,820 And yet, you know, here we are all these years later, 654 00:33:06,903 --> 00:33:08,113 and it still persists. 655 00:33:08,154 --> 00:33:09,489 WOLFGANG: And I'm gonna tell you what, 656 00:33:09,572 --> 00:33:12,659 somebody will break, and we're gonna break the story. 657 00:33:12,742 --> 00:33:14,160 And we need your help, 658 00:33:14,244 --> 00:33:15,829 we gotta be able to go to Newtown. 659 00:33:15,912 --> 00:33:17,205 ALEX: Absolutely. 660 00:33:17,288 --> 00:33:20,375 We want to send reporters up there, Wolfgang, with you. 661 00:33:21,376 --> 00:33:23,420 BANKSTON: In the spring of 2015... 662 00:33:23,461 --> 00:33:24,295 (ALEX LAUGHS) 663 00:33:24,337 --> 00:33:26,214 BANKSTON: ...you sent this man to go 664 00:33:26,297 --> 00:33:28,633 badger and yell obscenities at Sandy Hook residents, 665 00:33:28,717 --> 00:33:31,636 calling people who were involved in Sandy Hook 666 00:33:31,678 --> 00:33:35,140 "crooked, corrupt, piece of shit, motherfuckers" 667 00:33:35,181 --> 00:33:37,183 -You know who that is, right? -ALEX: Yes. 668 00:33:37,267 --> 00:33:39,728 -BANKSTON: Okay, that's Mr. Bidondi. -ALEX: Yes. 669 00:33:39,811 --> 00:33:43,314 BANKSTON: You sent him to go cover Wolfgang Halbig, correct? 670 00:33:44,065 --> 00:33:45,400 I don't remember that. 671 00:33:46,151 --> 00:33:48,111 Dan Bidondi for infowars.com, 672 00:33:48,153 --> 00:33:50,238 and we're at the city of Newtown, Connecticut. 673 00:33:50,321 --> 00:33:52,449 They're having a hearing on the Sandy Hook incident. 674 00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:55,493 And with me is Wolfgang Halbig. How are you doing, sir? 675 00:33:55,535 --> 00:33:58,121 Oh, great. Thanks for seeing me again. 676 00:33:58,163 --> 00:34:00,957 I run different than normal reporters 677 00:34:00,999 --> 00:34:02,500 because what I do is I go out there 678 00:34:02,584 --> 00:34:03,585 and get the truth out. 679 00:34:03,668 --> 00:34:06,338 That's one reason why I got my job with Infowars. 680 00:34:06,421 --> 00:34:08,672 Okay, I started working for infowars.com. 681 00:34:08,715 --> 00:34:10,759 No, you're a hero to many of us. God bless you. 682 00:34:10,842 --> 00:34:12,344 No, no, all of us. 683 00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:13,969 We need to have the truth. Thank you. 684 00:34:14,012 --> 00:34:15,388 At least we could say we stood up, 685 00:34:15,472 --> 00:34:16,848 and we did something. You know what I mean? 686 00:34:16,931 --> 00:34:18,350 And that's the same drive 687 00:34:18,391 --> 00:34:20,643 that everybody at infowars.com has. 688 00:34:20,685 --> 00:34:23,605 And this is Dan Bidondi for the Infowars Nightly News. 689 00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:26,065 (CAR HORN HONKING) 690 00:34:27,108 --> 00:34:29,319 WOLFGANG: It's weird when you're in Sandy Hook. 691 00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:32,697 Something is not right in this town. 692 00:34:32,739 --> 00:34:34,366 And, really, you can feel it. 693 00:34:34,449 --> 00:34:35,992 FIREFIGHTER: I'm telling you to get out of here. 694 00:34:36,034 --> 00:34:37,034 Get the fuck out. 695 00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:38,203 WOLFGANG: Hey, you touch me again... 696 00:34:38,244 --> 00:34:40,663 I wanted to meet the fire chief. 697 00:34:40,705 --> 00:34:44,626 He's a huge player in the Sandy Hook incident. 698 00:34:44,708 --> 00:34:46,543 -CREW MEMBER: Don't touch him, Wolf. -Get out of here! 699 00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:48,338 Chief, chief you gotta get him out of my face. 700 00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:51,591 He's no fucking chief. Get the fuck out of here. 701 00:34:51,675 --> 00:34:54,386 -I feel sorry for you. -FIREFIGHTER: Fuck you. 702 00:34:54,427 --> 00:34:56,638 I feel sorry for you. Go to hell. 703 00:34:58,390 --> 00:35:00,558 This is your volunteer fire department 704 00:35:00,642 --> 00:35:04,396 here at Sandy Hook to save the children. 705 00:35:04,896 --> 00:35:06,147 It's just ugly. 706 00:35:06,231 --> 00:35:07,399 You are the board member, 707 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,234 you are the leaders of this community, 708 00:35:09,317 --> 00:35:11,111 you are the superintendent. 709 00:35:11,194 --> 00:35:13,738 I've appeared in front of the school board members 710 00:35:13,822 --> 00:35:18,743 and asked the question, "Why no trauma helicopters?" 711 00:35:20,036 --> 00:35:22,372 Why no trauma helicopters? 712 00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:25,125 Why would you not let paramedics-- 713 00:35:25,208 --> 00:35:27,168 Board members, these are your children... 714 00:35:27,252 --> 00:35:29,421 Not one of them responded. 715 00:35:29,462 --> 00:35:31,589 They're hiding something. 716 00:35:31,631 --> 00:35:34,426 People in America deserve the truth. 717 00:35:35,635 --> 00:35:38,221 Wolfgang Halbig created a lot of hurt 718 00:35:38,263 --> 00:35:40,098 and a lot of harm for people. 719 00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:42,517 We want answers. We want truth. 720 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,686 PAT LLODRA: Listening and watching what he's doing, 721 00:35:44,769 --> 00:35:47,772 I'm realizing that he's being energized 722 00:35:47,814 --> 00:35:49,232 by Alex Jones. 723 00:35:49,274 --> 00:35:52,277 And that the two of them fed each other's psychosis. 724 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,654 Something is rotten here. 725 00:35:54,738 --> 00:35:56,197 What's your bottom line? 726 00:35:56,281 --> 00:35:58,366 What do you think's happening here? 727 00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:01,077 WOLFGANG: Well, until they answer those questions, 728 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:04,289 I can tell you children did not die. 729 00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:05,790 Teachers did not die. 730 00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:08,460 It just could not have happened. 731 00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:11,629 He was so persistent. 732 00:36:11,713 --> 00:36:13,298 DAN BIDONDI: There goes Mr. Frank. 733 00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:15,800 How does it feel covering up Sandy Hook, criminal? 734 00:36:17,385 --> 00:36:20,597 Well, Monte Frank was the attorney representing 735 00:36:20,638 --> 00:36:22,015 the town of Newtown. 736 00:36:22,098 --> 00:36:24,517 When somebody asks for public records, 737 00:36:24,601 --> 00:36:26,853 you should honor their request. 738 00:36:26,936 --> 00:36:29,731 And they denied me at every step. 739 00:36:29,814 --> 00:36:31,066 Good morning, Monte Frank, 740 00:36:31,149 --> 00:36:33,610 representing the town of Newtown. 741 00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:36,738 We started getting inundated with 742 00:36:36,821 --> 00:36:40,492 Freedom of Information requests from Wolfgang Halbig. 743 00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:43,328 -Did I read that correctly? -WOLFGANG: Yeah, absolutely. 744 00:36:43,411 --> 00:36:48,416 Both the tone and the type of requests became more and more 745 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:51,211 menacing and harassing. 746 00:36:51,294 --> 00:36:55,006 Never have met a liar like this man here. 747 00:36:55,090 --> 00:36:56,424 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 748 00:36:56,508 --> 00:36:57,509 DAN: Hey, Attorney Frank, 749 00:36:57,550 --> 00:36:59,386 are you satisfied with the decision? 750 00:37:00,637 --> 00:37:02,180 Of course, he's not going to answer. 751 00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:03,682 There goes corruption right there. 752 00:37:03,765 --> 00:37:06,434 Guess what there, Mr. Frank, what do you think? 753 00:37:06,518 --> 00:37:08,561 You're protecting all of those people? 754 00:37:08,645 --> 00:37:12,941 It took every ounce of energy that I had, 755 00:37:13,024 --> 00:37:15,026 and every bit of restraint, 756 00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:18,113 just to keep walking and not comment. 757 00:37:18,196 --> 00:37:20,073 DAN: You guys trying to cover up Sandy Hook? 758 00:37:20,156 --> 00:37:21,783 You know the information's gonna come out. 759 00:37:21,866 --> 00:37:22,909 You know that, right? 760 00:37:22,992 --> 00:37:24,536 You people are going to jail. 761 00:37:24,619 --> 00:37:27,372 PAT: We became increasingly anxious. 762 00:37:27,455 --> 00:37:29,290 It's like death by a thousand cuts. 763 00:37:29,374 --> 00:37:31,209 It's a drip, drip, drip 764 00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:33,294 of "we're not going to let you heal, 765 00:37:33,378 --> 00:37:36,006 we're going to keep at you because we think our lies 766 00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:37,799 are more powerful than your truth." 767 00:37:37,882 --> 00:37:39,759 DAN: The Sandy Hook truth is coming out. 768 00:37:39,843 --> 00:37:40,969 You people going to jail. 769 00:37:41,052 --> 00:37:43,638 You can smile all you want. You're going to jail for fraud. 770 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,514 Plain and simple. 771 00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:46,558 It went on for many, many years. 772 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:48,184 DAN: If you've got nothing to hide, then speak with us. 773 00:37:48,226 --> 00:37:51,229 CREW MEMBER: Take a moment to speak with us. You're a public official. 774 00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:53,023 DAN: But make no mistake about it, 775 00:37:53,064 --> 00:37:54,399 you will be going to jail... 776 00:37:54,482 --> 00:37:57,569 MONTE FRANK: I did not realize the extent of their reach 777 00:37:57,652 --> 00:37:59,863 and the power of their reach. 778 00:37:59,904 --> 00:38:02,866 And social media was exploding. 779 00:38:02,907 --> 00:38:05,243 YouTube, Facebook, Twitter. 780 00:38:05,326 --> 00:38:07,787 And so this attack on facts 781 00:38:07,871 --> 00:38:11,750 would become part of... I wouldn't say mainstream, 782 00:38:11,833 --> 00:38:15,962 but pretty damn close to what is mainstream America now. 783 00:38:19,758 --> 00:38:22,469 WOLFGANG: I just hope and pray that I'm not wrong. 784 00:38:24,763 --> 00:38:27,849 If I'm that wrong, if I'm that wrong, 785 00:38:27,932 --> 00:38:29,267 and if I've hurt people, 786 00:38:29,309 --> 00:38:31,561 probably I need to go to a mental hospital. 787 00:38:32,604 --> 00:38:35,357 Now look at this one here, this is unbelievable. 788 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,692 Hockley. See her? 789 00:38:37,776 --> 00:38:39,486 NICOLE: There's no point arguing with them. 790 00:38:39,569 --> 00:38:40,945 That I've learned the hard way. 791 00:38:40,987 --> 00:38:43,782 No matter what you do, they're never gonna believe. 792 00:38:43,823 --> 00:38:46,117 They say, "Show us the death certificates." 793 00:38:46,201 --> 00:38:47,327 "Oh, that's a forgery." 794 00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:49,621 "Show us the pictures." "Oh, that's a forg--" 795 00:38:49,662 --> 00:38:51,706 "Show us proof that your kid ever existed." 796 00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:56,086 "Oh, you just made that up." And you can't... you can't win. 797 00:38:59,756 --> 00:39:02,884 LENNY: Most people did think that if it was just ignored, 798 00:39:02,967 --> 00:39:05,970 next time they'd look for it, it wouldn't be there. 799 00:39:06,012 --> 00:39:07,639 And I didn't have that opinion. 800 00:39:07,681 --> 00:39:10,433 It was obvious to me that this was on a trajectory, 801 00:39:10,475 --> 00:39:12,352 and it was only getting worse. 802 00:39:14,646 --> 00:39:20,694 In 2014, I was ready to take on this hoaxer phenomenon 803 00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:23,571 relating to the tragedy of my son. 804 00:39:24,656 --> 00:39:27,409 My first phase was to make myself available 805 00:39:27,492 --> 00:39:29,494 and communicate with them. 806 00:39:29,577 --> 00:39:31,413 And Kelley Watt was one of the people 807 00:39:31,496 --> 00:39:32,664 that I came across. 808 00:39:32,706 --> 00:39:36,793 So we had this dialogue, you know, we talked a lot 809 00:39:36,835 --> 00:39:38,962 for about a six-month period of time. 810 00:39:39,004 --> 00:39:41,798 I'm as firm in my belief that it didn't happen 811 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,466 as Lenny Pozner is-- 812 00:39:43,508 --> 00:39:46,136 that he's convinced that he had a son who passed away. 813 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,308 You just-- (GROANS) This is just so insane. 814 00:39:52,350 --> 00:39:54,352 I just can't believe that anybody believes it. 815 00:39:54,436 --> 00:39:56,479 I really have a hard time 816 00:39:56,521 --> 00:39:59,607 believing that people actually believe this. 817 00:39:59,691 --> 00:40:04,237 She communicated with all of these hoax content creators 818 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,406 like Wolfgang Halbig. 819 00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:09,743 And she inserted herself in the middle of all of this. 820 00:40:09,826 --> 00:40:11,828 When I heard that these children had been shot, 821 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:14,956 one of the first things I did because of my cleaning business, 822 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,419 I called the Environmental Protection Agency of Connecticut 823 00:40:19,502 --> 00:40:21,254 and said, "Who cleaned up the blood?" 824 00:40:21,338 --> 00:40:25,508 And it was like, "What blood?" 825 00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:29,971 I'm like, "Twenty-six people were murdered. That blood." 826 00:40:30,055 --> 00:40:33,933 And he said, "Are you one of these conspiracy theorists?" 827 00:40:34,017 --> 00:40:36,561 And he said, "I stepped over those dead babies." 828 00:40:37,479 --> 00:40:39,147 To which I replied, "No, you did not. 829 00:40:40,231 --> 00:40:41,566 No, you did not." 830 00:40:43,693 --> 00:40:46,905 (COMPUTER MOUSE CLICKING) 831 00:40:48,073 --> 00:40:50,950 LENNY: This is the email that Kelley Watt had sent. 832 00:40:51,034 --> 00:40:53,370 When I'd asked her to contact Wolfgang Halbig 833 00:40:53,411 --> 00:40:54,746 to see if he'll talk to me. 834 00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:57,165 And the response that I got from Kelley is that 835 00:40:57,248 --> 00:41:00,001 he won't speak to me until I exhume Noah's body. 836 00:41:01,378 --> 00:41:03,338 KELLEY WATT: I watched a lot of true crime, 837 00:41:03,421 --> 00:41:05,507 and they exhume bodies all the time. 838 00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:07,092 It's not unusual. 839 00:41:08,426 --> 00:41:09,636 That's all you can do. 840 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,889 If you really want to prove that this didn't happen, 841 00:41:12,931 --> 00:41:16,142 what else can you do but to have the bodies exhumed? 842 00:41:17,268 --> 00:41:18,520 LENNY: That's when I realized that, 843 00:41:18,603 --> 00:41:19,646 you know, these people, 844 00:41:19,729 --> 00:41:21,940 they've got their own party going on, and... 845 00:41:22,774 --> 00:41:25,276 and uh, and I'm not invited, so. 846 00:41:28,947 --> 00:41:31,783 After that phase lacked any success, 847 00:41:31,825 --> 00:41:35,412 I shifted to removing content. 848 00:41:35,453 --> 00:41:37,622 Anyone that was going after Noah, 849 00:41:37,706 --> 00:41:39,874 I was having their content removed. 850 00:41:39,916 --> 00:41:41,042 YouTube videos. 851 00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:44,045 Anything that was denying reality. 852 00:41:45,296 --> 00:41:49,968 The hoax content outnumbered any factual information. 853 00:41:50,051 --> 00:41:52,929 If you did a Google search, or a search on YouTube, 854 00:41:52,971 --> 00:41:56,182 for the Sandy Hook shooting, five out of six results 855 00:41:56,266 --> 00:41:58,685 would have been hoax material. 856 00:41:58,768 --> 00:42:00,311 That's what people were clicking on 857 00:42:00,353 --> 00:42:03,148 so that's all that people are going to be exposed to. 858 00:42:05,066 --> 00:42:06,109 It was a contagion. 859 00:42:06,151 --> 00:42:10,822 It was going viral, spreading to billions of people. 860 00:42:13,867 --> 00:42:16,244 Platforms at that point wouldn't remove content 861 00:42:16,327 --> 00:42:17,954 based on their own policies. 862 00:42:18,038 --> 00:42:19,998 Other than copyright. 863 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,585 That's very black and white in the hosting world. 864 00:42:23,668 --> 00:42:26,921 I was persistent in reporting material. 865 00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:29,841 Going after a particular channel and finding anything 866 00:42:29,924 --> 00:42:32,927 that violated privacy or copyright. 867 00:42:33,428 --> 00:42:34,637 ALEX: Noah Pozner, 868 00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,306 one of the children supposedly killed 869 00:42:36,348 --> 00:42:37,932 in the December 2012 870 00:42:38,016 --> 00:42:40,810 Sandy Hook school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. 871 00:42:40,852 --> 00:42:42,937 LENNY: So if they were using images of Noah, 872 00:42:43,021 --> 00:42:45,899 I was able to get that content taken down 873 00:42:45,982 --> 00:42:48,401 and that would bring channels down. 874 00:42:48,485 --> 00:42:50,528 You got green screen with Anderson Cooper, 875 00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:52,697 and then his nose disappears. 876 00:42:52,739 --> 00:42:54,032 It's-- it's not real. 877 00:42:54,074 --> 00:42:56,868 LENNY: Even that video, you know, there were probably 878 00:42:56,910 --> 00:43:00,038 hundreds of that video, maybe thousands of it. 879 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,249 All of that had to be taken down, one by one. 880 00:43:05,418 --> 00:43:07,045 And it was very hard to do. 881 00:43:07,087 --> 00:43:10,006 And there was real... real warfare going on, 882 00:43:10,048 --> 00:43:12,759 and a real battle was taking place. 883 00:43:14,928 --> 00:43:16,721 They were losing their content. 884 00:43:18,223 --> 00:43:21,142 It's like their playground, and if you take their toys away, 885 00:43:21,226 --> 00:43:23,645 they just become enraged. 886 00:43:24,896 --> 00:43:28,149 Our entire media operation and your First Amendment, 887 00:43:28,233 --> 00:43:31,778 my First Amendment, is under massive attack. 888 00:43:31,861 --> 00:43:35,699 By 2015 he was accusing me of taking away his free speech 889 00:43:35,740 --> 00:43:37,367 and crippling his YouTube channel. 890 00:43:37,409 --> 00:43:41,913 ALEX: This guy comes and says that we violated their copyright 891 00:43:41,955 --> 00:43:46,626 to trigger the suspension of the Alex Jones channel. 892 00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:49,087 LENNY: Infowars published my name 893 00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:51,256 before his millions of listeners. 894 00:43:53,717 --> 00:43:58,388 This is amazing. The claimant is Lenny Pozner, 895 00:43:58,430 --> 00:44:02,142 HONRnetwork at gmail.com. 896 00:44:02,225 --> 00:44:03,977 What do you think of us being censored? 897 00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:05,562 What's been happening to you? 898 00:44:05,603 --> 00:44:07,272 CALLER: I can tell you lots about Lenny. 899 00:44:07,355 --> 00:44:10,608 Lenny, if you're listening, your day is coming, my friend. 900 00:44:10,692 --> 00:44:14,779 It is coming. Go after him, Alex. Crush him. 901 00:44:14,821 --> 00:44:17,782 LENNY: After that came Lucy Richards. 902 00:44:17,824 --> 00:44:19,534 LUCY RICHARDS: (ON VOICEMAIL) You're going to die, 903 00:44:19,617 --> 00:44:20,952 you motherfucking nigger. 904 00:44:21,036 --> 00:44:25,957 Kike, Jew bastard. Cunt. You're going to die. 905 00:44:26,041 --> 00:44:28,626 She made death threats. She became triggered 906 00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:32,964 by something she heard on Infowars. 907 00:44:33,006 --> 00:44:37,969 She was sentenced to six months in federal prison. 908 00:44:38,011 --> 00:44:42,265 Part of her consequence was that she would no longer 909 00:44:42,307 --> 00:44:43,641 listen to Alex Jones. 910 00:44:43,725 --> 00:44:47,103 So that was directly ordered by the court. 911 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,980 (TYPING) 912 00:44:49,064 --> 00:44:52,233 LENNY: It kept on going. It continues. 913 00:44:53,651 --> 00:44:56,363 ALEX: Donald Trump is our guest. 914 00:44:57,238 --> 00:44:58,031 He is the leading 915 00:44:58,114 --> 00:45:00,408 2016 Republican presidential contender. 916 00:45:00,450 --> 00:45:01,701 Well, Donald Trump, let me say this. 917 00:45:01,785 --> 00:45:04,621 My audience, I'd say 90 percent, support you. 918 00:45:04,662 --> 00:45:06,706 DONALD TRUMP: Your reputation's amazing. 919 00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:08,166 I will not let you down. 920 00:45:08,249 --> 00:45:11,670 You will be very, very impressed, I hope. 921 00:45:11,753 --> 00:45:14,214 2016, you know, we had a president 922 00:45:14,297 --> 00:45:15,965 that was denying things. 923 00:45:16,007 --> 00:45:18,593 This is a good time to be alive, ladies and gentlemen, 924 00:45:18,677 --> 00:45:21,012 and we owe Donald Trump so much. 925 00:45:21,096 --> 00:45:26,226 LENNY: That idea, that concept, has spread, to not trust media. 926 00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:31,398 There was this escalation in alternative ways of thinking 927 00:45:31,481 --> 00:45:37,946 so that, combined with Infowars repeating Sandy Hook lies, 928 00:45:38,029 --> 00:45:41,866 brought everything back again. It restarted the cycle. 929 00:45:42,534 --> 00:45:45,745 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 930 00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:47,997 MEGYN KELLY: Alex Jones isn't going away. 931 00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,000 Over the years, his YouTube channel 932 00:45:50,041 --> 00:45:53,420 has racked up 1.3 billion views. 933 00:45:53,503 --> 00:45:55,839 He has millions of listeners, 934 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,008 and the ear of our current president. 935 00:45:58,049 --> 00:46:00,885 NEIL: Alex Jones's general statements and remarks 936 00:46:00,927 --> 00:46:02,887 and, you know, disbelief of the tragedy 937 00:46:02,971 --> 00:46:05,015 were getting more and more frequent. 938 00:46:05,557 --> 00:46:07,726 So I went on the, uh, 939 00:46:07,767 --> 00:46:09,936 Megyn's show and I did an interview. 940 00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:14,065 I lost my son. I buried my son. 941 00:46:14,149 --> 00:46:17,736 I held my son with a bullet hole through his head. 942 00:46:17,819 --> 00:46:22,907 Shortly thereafter, I was accused of being a liar. 943 00:46:22,991 --> 00:46:25,076 Here's another story. (CHUCKLES) 944 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,872 Neil Heslin, a father of one of the victims, 945 00:46:28,913 --> 00:46:32,000 he's claiming that he held his son 946 00:46:32,083 --> 00:46:34,252 and saw the bullet hole in his head. 947 00:46:34,336 --> 00:46:35,503 That is his claim. 948 00:46:36,838 --> 00:46:39,424 Now, according to a timeline of events 949 00:46:39,466 --> 00:46:41,760 and a coroner's testimony, 950 00:46:41,843 --> 00:46:43,928 that is not possible. 951 00:46:45,805 --> 00:46:47,098 Megyn Kelly, 952 00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:48,933 talking to the father of one of the victims, 953 00:46:49,017 --> 00:46:51,394 saying he went and held his dead son 954 00:46:51,436 --> 00:46:52,812 there at the school. 955 00:46:55,231 --> 00:46:57,359 And then it cuts to the coroner, but he's saying 956 00:46:57,442 --> 00:46:59,194 no one was allowed to go in and see the kids. 957 00:46:59,277 --> 00:47:02,155 And we just said, "See? That's why people ask questions." 958 00:47:02,238 --> 00:47:06,576 I held him with a bullet hole in his head. 959 00:47:06,618 --> 00:47:08,578 You know, who does he think he is 960 00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:11,247 to... to... you know, question that? 961 00:47:14,250 --> 00:47:18,213 That was really the-- what broke the camel's back. 962 00:47:18,296 --> 00:47:21,841 And that's when I filed the lawsuit against Alex Jones. 963 00:47:23,885 --> 00:47:25,637 And I figured, "Well, he's in Texas, 964 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,597 I'm gonna go to Texas with it." 965 00:47:28,139 --> 00:47:30,850 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 966 00:47:30,934 --> 00:47:33,603 BANKSTON: 2018, Neil Heslin called me 967 00:47:33,645 --> 00:47:35,188 and said, "Can you help me?" 968 00:47:36,147 --> 00:47:38,108 Neil lost his son, Jesse. 969 00:47:38,149 --> 00:47:39,317 And what was in Neil's case 970 00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,152 is that Infowars specifically said, 971 00:47:41,236 --> 00:47:43,863 "You're lying about having held your child. 972 00:47:43,947 --> 00:47:45,865 You didn't do that. You're a liar." 973 00:47:47,534 --> 00:47:49,994 And then, of course, Jesse's mom, Scarlett Lewis, 974 00:47:50,036 --> 00:47:52,247 also subject to the same kind of harassment, 975 00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:55,000 these lies about the death of her child. 976 00:47:55,083 --> 00:47:57,002 So you had two causes of action for Neil, 977 00:47:57,085 --> 00:47:58,044 which is defamation 978 00:47:58,128 --> 00:48:00,422 and intentional infliction of emotional distress, 979 00:48:00,505 --> 00:48:02,757 and just the emotional distress for Scarlett. 980 00:48:02,841 --> 00:48:04,009 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 981 00:48:04,092 --> 00:48:06,177 SCARLETT: I had to think long and hard 982 00:48:06,219 --> 00:48:08,930 over whether I would join the lawsuit. 983 00:48:09,014 --> 00:48:13,226 There have been times that have been very scary, 984 00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:16,354 and I've had to think, "Wow, is this is worth it?" 985 00:48:17,689 --> 00:48:18,690 And... 986 00:48:19,983 --> 00:48:22,485 my conclusion has always been, "Yeah. 987 00:48:23,361 --> 00:48:27,657 It's worth it to send this message, 988 00:48:27,699 --> 00:48:29,242 the importance of truth." 989 00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:38,960 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 990 00:48:43,631 --> 00:48:48,011 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 991 00:48:48,053 --> 00:48:51,181 CHRIS MATTEI: So, this is the case against Alex Jones 992 00:48:51,222 --> 00:48:54,225 on behalf of 15 Connecticut plaintiffs. 993 00:48:55,185 --> 00:48:57,270 The Texas cases kinda continued 994 00:48:57,354 --> 00:49:00,565 on somewhat of a parallel track to ours. 995 00:49:00,648 --> 00:49:02,734 We're both proceeding, um, 996 00:49:02,817 --> 00:49:04,319 I think, with the same goal in mind, 997 00:49:04,402 --> 00:49:07,072 you know, which is to hold Alex Jones accountable. 998 00:49:09,157 --> 00:49:10,492 The families that we represent 999 00:49:10,575 --> 00:49:13,286 are very much looking forward to the trial. 1000 00:49:14,496 --> 00:49:15,955 FRANCINE WHEELER: I was at a conference 1001 00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,208 for mothers who-- 1002 00:49:18,249 --> 00:49:21,294 whose kids died by gun violence. 1003 00:49:21,378 --> 00:49:25,423 And I, uh, was in an elevator with this woman. 1004 00:49:25,465 --> 00:49:27,759 She saw my necklace and she said, 1005 00:49:28,635 --> 00:49:29,427 "Who's this?" 1006 00:49:29,511 --> 00:49:32,013 And I said, "Oh, this is my son, Ben. 1007 00:49:32,097 --> 00:49:33,682 He was killed when he was six." 1008 00:49:33,723 --> 00:49:36,267 And she said, "What do you mean?" 1009 00:49:36,351 --> 00:49:38,561 And I said, "Well, we live in Sandy Hook, 1010 00:49:38,603 --> 00:49:41,147 he died in his school." 1011 00:49:41,231 --> 00:49:44,150 And she said, "You're lying." 1012 00:49:44,234 --> 00:49:45,902 -PARENT: Wow. -"That didn't happen. 1013 00:49:45,944 --> 00:49:47,946 They said it-- they said it didn't happen." 1014 00:49:48,029 --> 00:49:49,280 And I was like, "What?" 1015 00:49:49,364 --> 00:49:51,449 She said, "No, no, they said it didn't happen." 1016 00:49:51,491 --> 00:49:54,619 And I was like, "No, it-- it really happened." 1017 00:49:54,703 --> 00:49:55,787 And she wasn't crazy. 1018 00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:59,374 ROBBIE: It had been years since our kids were killed, 1019 00:49:59,457 --> 00:50:00,792 and I'm walking down the street in Seattle 1020 00:50:00,834 --> 00:50:03,294 and somebody recognizes me, and then he looked up and goes, 1021 00:50:03,336 --> 00:50:04,713 "How do you fucking sleep at night, 1022 00:50:04,796 --> 00:50:05,797 you son of a bitch?" 1023 00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:08,258 And I just think the amount of content 1024 00:50:08,299 --> 00:50:12,470 that that person had to watch and digest and hold on to, 1025 00:50:12,512 --> 00:50:16,099 to where he could recognize me in some random city, 1026 00:50:16,141 --> 00:50:19,477 3,000 miles away from Newtown, on some random day... 1027 00:50:19,561 --> 00:50:22,731 Like, how much... How much did he have to take in? 1028 00:50:22,814 --> 00:50:23,982 (PARENTS AGREEING) 1029 00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:25,316 MARK: Part of what we're doing here 1030 00:50:25,358 --> 00:50:29,904 is hoping that we can... we can do our little part 1031 00:50:29,988 --> 00:50:32,699 to course correct this kind of dangerous, 1032 00:50:32,782 --> 00:50:34,325 wildly out of control dynamic 1033 00:50:34,367 --> 00:50:36,077 of misinformation and disinformation 1034 00:50:36,161 --> 00:50:38,788 and people who are happy and willing to believe 1035 00:50:38,830 --> 00:50:41,499 whatever it is that they want to hear. 1036 00:50:41,583 --> 00:50:44,627 It was the only thing we found that was left for us 1037 00:50:44,669 --> 00:50:47,505 to make it stop, hopefully, to make it stop. 1038 00:50:48,548 --> 00:50:53,094 My little son died afraid, and alone, terrorized, 1039 00:50:53,178 --> 00:50:54,846 watching his friends be murdered. 1040 00:50:55,764 --> 00:50:56,765 Yeah. 1041 00:50:58,016 --> 00:50:59,267 Lots of anger. 1042 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,481 NICOLE: There's so much to deal with 1043 00:51:05,023 --> 00:51:06,483 after losing a child. 1044 00:51:06,524 --> 00:51:09,861 I'm strong enough now that I'm ready to take this on. 1045 00:51:11,237 --> 00:51:13,323 DIRECTOR: So what's the end result gonna be? 1046 00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:18,870 Um, total destruction of Alex Jones, can I say that? 1047 00:51:18,912 --> 00:51:20,997 (LAUGHS) 1048 00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:22,665 -♪ (TRANQUIL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -I love America. 1049 00:51:22,707 --> 00:51:25,293 It's not fear that makes me get tears in my eyes. 1050 00:51:25,377 --> 00:51:30,006 It's will and strength boiling to defeat these tyrants, 1051 00:51:30,048 --> 00:51:32,050 and these globalists. 1052 00:51:32,133 --> 00:51:33,510 -(EXPLOSION) -♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1053 00:51:33,551 --> 00:51:35,053 But that said... 1054 00:51:35,136 --> 00:51:37,597 Just like our information is game-changing... 1055 00:51:39,808 --> 00:51:41,559 the products that we sell, 1056 00:51:42,435 --> 00:51:45,480 all of them, are powerful. 1057 00:51:45,563 --> 00:51:48,066 And whether it's colloidal silver from 1995, 1058 00:51:48,108 --> 00:51:49,275 the very best out there, 1059 00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:52,404 or whether it's DNA Force, now back in stock... 1060 00:51:52,487 --> 00:51:54,739 MATTEI: What we really want to do 1061 00:51:54,781 --> 00:51:58,952 is expose him to the world 1062 00:51:59,035 --> 00:52:02,831 as a con man, a fraud. 1063 00:52:04,165 --> 00:52:07,293 Alex Jones does not want his audience to know 1064 00:52:07,377 --> 00:52:09,629 just how much he's exploiting them every day. 1065 00:52:09,713 --> 00:52:12,132 But what happened is, their lawyers gave us 1066 00:52:12,215 --> 00:52:15,218 all these emails, which they hadn't reviewed, 1067 00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:18,805 and included in the emails were attachments 1068 00:52:18,888 --> 00:52:23,226 that showed some of the data for some of the years. 1069 00:52:23,268 --> 00:52:26,312 It just so happened, you know, we got lucky. 1070 00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:31,901 The dates are from 2009 to 2014, so that was great for us 1071 00:52:31,943 --> 00:52:34,112 because what we were able to show 1072 00:52:34,195 --> 00:52:37,574 is the growth in audience month over month 1073 00:52:37,615 --> 00:52:39,784 and year over year. 1074 00:52:39,826 --> 00:52:43,413 So, they published this story to infowars.com, 1075 00:52:43,455 --> 00:52:46,041 September 2014, almost two years after the shooting, 1076 00:52:46,124 --> 00:52:48,752 "FBI Says No One Killed at Sandy Hook." 1077 00:52:48,835 --> 00:52:50,962 It's just a lie, it's ridiculous. 1078 00:52:51,046 --> 00:52:54,299 But you put out a story like this 1079 00:52:54,382 --> 00:52:55,633 and it gets people's attention 1080 00:52:55,717 --> 00:52:57,802 because, I think, people just assume, 1081 00:52:57,844 --> 00:52:59,888 "Oh, my gosh, more evidence." 1082 00:52:59,971 --> 00:53:02,057 And, of course, you know, they're running their 1083 00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:05,143 33 percent off DNA Force Plus. 1084 00:53:05,185 --> 00:53:07,562 So, they published this story 1085 00:53:07,645 --> 00:53:10,482 and then they had a spike in unique visitors, 1086 00:53:10,565 --> 00:53:12,650 they have a spike in page views. 1087 00:53:12,734 --> 00:53:14,652 So what's happening is all these new people 1088 00:53:14,736 --> 00:53:18,490 are coming to infowars.com to read this bullshit story 1089 00:53:18,573 --> 00:53:21,826 about FBI saying nobody killed at Sandy Hook, 1090 00:53:21,868 --> 00:53:22,911 and when they're there, 1091 00:53:22,994 --> 00:53:25,997 they're getting pitched all these ads to go to the store 1092 00:53:26,081 --> 00:53:27,665 and a lot of them do. 1093 00:53:27,749 --> 00:53:31,586 The next day, their revenue goes from 48,000 1094 00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:34,005 to 232,000, 1095 00:53:34,047 --> 00:53:36,508 from this one story alone. 1096 00:53:36,591 --> 00:53:38,802 -MATTEI: (ON LAPTOP) Uh, good morning sir. -Good morning. 1097 00:53:38,843 --> 00:53:41,638 MATTEI: (VOICEOVER) This guy, Tim Fruge, his business director. 1098 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,808 In this deposition, you know, I show him the spike, 1099 00:53:44,891 --> 00:53:46,309 he says, "Yeah, there's a spike." 1100 00:53:46,351 --> 00:53:48,269 I would agree there's a spike, yes. 1101 00:53:48,353 --> 00:53:49,979 I agree with you. 1102 00:53:50,021 --> 00:53:53,858 MATTEI: (ON LAPTOP) And when you're having your daily call with Alex Jones 1103 00:53:53,942 --> 00:53:56,319 and you see a spike in revenue like that, 1104 00:53:56,361 --> 00:53:59,614 from 48,000 to 232,000 dollars, 1105 00:53:59,698 --> 00:54:01,700 you're telling him about that, right? 1106 00:54:01,741 --> 00:54:02,784 Yeah, of course. 1107 00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:05,203 MATTEI: (VOICEOVER) Of course! 1108 00:54:05,245 --> 00:54:07,872 It's just so obvious what they're doing. 1109 00:54:07,956 --> 00:54:09,833 Jones is just getting rich. 1110 00:54:09,874 --> 00:54:12,544 He's just getting rich off of saying these things 1111 00:54:12,585 --> 00:54:16,214 about these families who meantime, meantime in 2014, 1112 00:54:16,297 --> 00:54:20,677 they're under a barrage of threats and harassment 1113 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:25,098 and fear and anxiety because of what he's doing. 1114 00:54:25,181 --> 00:54:26,141 He doesn't give a shit. 1115 00:54:26,224 --> 00:54:27,976 He's just like getting rich off it. 1116 00:54:28,893 --> 00:54:31,229 Yeah, I mean, you know, it's... 1117 00:54:31,271 --> 00:54:32,731 Yeah, the more people in town square, 1118 00:54:32,814 --> 00:54:35,692 the more people go to the shops. Yes. 1119 00:54:35,734 --> 00:54:37,610 -MATTEI: Morning, Mr. Jones. -Good morning. 1120 00:54:37,694 --> 00:54:39,946 MATTEI: His dad, David Jones, 1121 00:54:40,030 --> 00:54:42,741 kind of like said the quiet part out loud. 1122 00:54:42,824 --> 00:54:46,286 Are you aware whether Free Speech Systems collects 1123 00:54:46,369 --> 00:54:50,498 data concerning when during an Alex Jones broadcast 1124 00:54:50,582 --> 00:54:52,417 it has the most sales activity? 1125 00:54:54,627 --> 00:54:58,173 Only in the sense that if there have been days 1126 00:54:58,256 --> 00:55:02,177 where we had extraordinarily good sales, someone will say, 1127 00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:04,387 "What was Alex saying when that happened?" 1128 00:55:04,429 --> 00:55:07,390 And so, we like to emulate spikes. 1129 00:55:07,432 --> 00:55:09,851 They're seeing this and they want to replicate it. 1130 00:55:09,934 --> 00:55:12,103 Of course, that's how you run a business. 1131 00:55:12,145 --> 00:55:13,480 That's what you would expect, 1132 00:55:13,563 --> 00:55:16,441 except that Alex Jones tells his audience, 1133 00:55:16,483 --> 00:55:18,234 "I don't care about money, you know, 1134 00:55:18,276 --> 00:55:20,111 I'm just all about freedom 1135 00:55:20,153 --> 00:55:21,780 and fighting the globalists. 1136 00:55:21,821 --> 00:55:23,865 And, you know, support us if you can 1137 00:55:23,948 --> 00:55:25,116 to keep us on the air." 1138 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,661 When really what he's doing is just feeding his audience 1139 00:55:28,745 --> 00:55:33,958 like a daily dose of fear and rage 1140 00:55:34,042 --> 00:55:35,585 and looking at what works. 1141 00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:41,216 What else could possibly explain the way these families 1142 00:55:41,299 --> 00:55:43,718 have been hunted and stalked for ten years? 1143 00:55:50,475 --> 00:55:52,060 BANKSTON: Jones was not reluctant 1144 00:55:52,143 --> 00:55:53,311 to have his deposition taken. 1145 00:55:53,395 --> 00:55:54,979 When it first started, you could tell 1146 00:55:55,021 --> 00:55:57,691 he was feeling like he was in his element. 1147 00:55:57,774 --> 00:55:59,859 You know, he thought, "Oh, I'm in front of a camera. 1148 00:55:59,943 --> 00:56:02,320 I'm just going to act like I'm on my own show." 1149 00:56:02,404 --> 00:56:05,448 The trauma of the media and the corporations 1150 00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:08,576 lying so much, then everything begins-- 1151 00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:10,662 You don't trust anything anymore. 1152 00:56:10,745 --> 00:56:12,497 Kind of like a child whose parents lie to them 1153 00:56:12,580 --> 00:56:14,374 over and over again. Well, pretty soon they don't know 1154 00:56:14,457 --> 00:56:15,625 what reality is. 1155 00:56:15,667 --> 00:56:20,630 People lost any compass of what's real. 1156 00:56:20,672 --> 00:56:23,341 And I've, you know, I myself have, you know, almost had 1157 00:56:23,425 --> 00:56:24,843 like a form of psychosis back in the past 1158 00:56:24,926 --> 00:56:27,470 where I basically thought everything was staged, 1159 00:56:27,512 --> 00:56:29,055 even though I'm now learning a lot of times 1160 00:56:29,139 --> 00:56:30,015 things aren't staged. 1161 00:56:30,098 --> 00:56:32,058 You know, it's painful that we have to question 1162 00:56:32,142 --> 00:56:34,269 big public events. I think that's an essential part 1163 00:56:34,352 --> 00:56:36,104 of the First Amendment in America... 1164 00:56:36,187 --> 00:56:37,480 BANKSTON: In this country, 1165 00:56:37,522 --> 00:56:39,733 First Amendment guarantees that Congress shall pass no law 1166 00:56:39,816 --> 00:56:41,484 abridging the freedom of the speech. 1167 00:56:41,526 --> 00:56:43,862 Telling lies, false information 1168 00:56:43,903 --> 00:56:46,448 is not protected by the First Amendment. 1169 00:56:46,531 --> 00:56:48,700 And then photos of kids that are still alive 1170 00:56:48,783 --> 00:56:49,743 they said died. 1171 00:56:49,826 --> 00:56:51,536 I mean, they think we're so dumb 1172 00:56:51,578 --> 00:56:55,498 that it's-- it's really hidden in plain view. 1173 00:56:55,540 --> 00:56:57,542 BANKSTON: Mr. Jones, you can admit that that statement 1174 00:56:57,625 --> 00:56:59,461 was absolute nonsense. 1175 00:56:59,544 --> 00:57:01,546 There are not photos of children 1176 00:57:01,629 --> 00:57:03,381 who died who are actually still alive. 1177 00:57:03,465 --> 00:57:05,425 -That's not-- -That is an out-of-context clip. 1178 00:57:05,508 --> 00:57:07,719 I can't even respond to something like that. 1179 00:57:07,802 --> 00:57:10,555 BANKSTON: You've made money from every single one 1180 00:57:10,638 --> 00:57:12,557 of these broadcasts we saw today, right? 1181 00:57:13,892 --> 00:57:14,976 (SIGHS) 1182 00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:17,854 No, we actually lose money on really controversial stuff. 1183 00:57:17,937 --> 00:57:19,564 We can actually see it. 1184 00:57:19,647 --> 00:57:22,067 BANKSTON: And you have supplements you sell too 1185 00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:23,443 with these videos, correct? 1186 00:57:24,694 --> 00:57:27,906 It's-- (SPLUTTERS) The two don't go together. 1187 00:57:27,947 --> 00:57:30,075 BANKSTON: You can never trust anything this guy says. 1188 00:57:30,116 --> 00:57:31,534 He's a calculated liar. 1189 00:57:31,576 --> 00:57:35,580 As the deposition drug on, he enjoyed it less. 1190 00:57:35,622 --> 00:57:37,874 VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the record at 12:58 p.m. 1191 00:57:37,916 --> 00:57:39,626 BANKSTON: Mr. Jones, before we went on a break, 1192 00:57:39,709 --> 00:57:42,087 we were talking about the issue of whether there were EMTs 1193 00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:43,380 allowed into the building. 1194 00:57:43,463 --> 00:57:45,215 We talk a lot about the tragedy at Sandy Hook 1195 00:57:45,256 --> 00:57:48,259 and sometimes we shield ourselves from the details. 1196 00:57:48,301 --> 00:57:51,179 In that second classroom, 1197 00:57:51,262 --> 00:57:56,267 there was over a dozen children piled into a rear bathroom. 1198 00:57:56,351 --> 00:57:57,894 I have put in front of you the statement 1199 00:57:57,936 --> 00:57:59,938 of Lieutenant Vanghele. I'm going to read that 1200 00:58:00,021 --> 00:58:02,816 and you're going to follow along with me. Okay? 1201 00:58:02,899 --> 00:58:06,319 "I then walked into a room with Sergeant Cario. 1202 00:58:06,403 --> 00:58:07,946 To the left of the room as you walk in, 1203 00:58:08,029 --> 00:58:09,698 there was a bathroom in the corner. 1204 00:58:09,781 --> 00:58:12,742 There was a massive pileup of bodies in this room. 1205 00:58:12,784 --> 00:58:14,994 At this time, I did not know it was a bathroom, 1206 00:58:15,078 --> 00:58:17,747 and I wondered how the suspect had the time to kill 1207 00:58:17,789 --> 00:58:20,333 that many people and stack them in the corner of the room. 1208 00:58:20,417 --> 00:58:22,252 And many of the bodies had injuries 1209 00:58:22,293 --> 00:58:23,712 that were obviously fatal. 1210 00:58:23,795 --> 00:58:25,797 The children that were sitting on the floor of the bathroom 1211 00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:27,632 were packed in like sardines." 1212 00:58:29,718 --> 00:58:31,553 Let's look at exhibit three. 1213 00:58:32,554 --> 00:58:34,264 Do you see at the very bottom of the page, 1214 00:58:34,305 --> 00:58:35,473 the very bottom left corner, 1215 00:58:35,557 --> 00:58:36,891 it says Sergeant William F. Cario? 1216 00:58:36,975 --> 00:58:38,101 -(YAWNS) Yes. -BANKSTON: Okay. 1217 00:58:38,143 --> 00:58:40,520 I'm going to read the highlighted part to you. 1218 00:58:40,603 --> 00:58:43,273 "Paramedic Matt Cassavechia approached me. 1219 00:58:43,314 --> 00:58:45,108 I have known Cassavechia for many years 1220 00:58:45,150 --> 00:58:48,278 and recognized him as the head of EMS for Danbury Hospital. 1221 00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:49,487 Cassavechia said, 1222 00:58:49,529 --> 00:58:51,489 'You know I've got to get into that building.' 1223 00:58:51,573 --> 00:58:53,867 I realized at some point those victims presumed dead 1224 00:58:53,950 --> 00:58:55,952 would have to be officially pronounced dead. 1225 00:58:55,994 --> 00:58:58,872 As we walked to the school, I told Cassavechia, 1226 00:58:58,955 --> 00:59:00,957 'This will be the worst day of your life.'" 1227 00:59:02,083 --> 00:59:04,377 After that, his demeanor totally changed 1228 00:59:04,461 --> 00:59:07,172 and his attitude for the rest of the deposition changed. 1229 00:59:10,967 --> 00:59:13,887 One of the major successes that I think we've had 1230 00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:16,765 is forcing Jones to admit under oath, 1231 00:59:16,848 --> 00:59:19,517 that he was not right, that Sandy Hook happened. 1232 00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,103 We finally have that on record. 1233 00:59:22,187 --> 00:59:26,524 Recently, your lawyer said, "There is no dispute 1234 00:59:26,608 --> 00:59:28,860 that the Sandy Hook tragedy was real." 1235 00:59:28,943 --> 00:59:32,030 You stand by that, that's what you admit is true now? 1236 00:59:32,864 --> 00:59:33,865 Yes. 1237 00:59:36,034 --> 00:59:38,912 BANKSTON: I wanna ask you, now looking back on this, 1238 00:59:38,995 --> 00:59:40,622 are you sorry? 1239 00:59:40,705 --> 00:59:42,874 You know, I did all this from a good place in my heart, 1240 00:59:42,957 --> 00:59:45,377 and I'm really sad the establishment has lied 1241 00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:47,420 so much and done so much 1242 00:59:47,504 --> 00:59:50,215 that the public doesn't believe what they're told anymore. 1243 00:59:50,298 --> 00:59:52,300 There's been a real loss of confidence in the system. 1244 00:59:53,218 --> 00:59:54,636 And I'm a good person. 1245 00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:56,554 BANKSTON: So in some ways you're a victim? 1246 00:59:56,596 --> 00:59:57,722 Well, let's just say time's running out 1247 00:59:57,764 --> 00:59:58,973 for the establishment. 1248 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:03,728 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1249 01:00:03,770 --> 01:00:06,481 This is bizarre. This is unbelievable. 1250 01:00:06,564 --> 01:00:08,400 A judge just says, 1251 01:00:09,442 --> 01:00:11,277 "You're defaulted, you're guilty. 1252 01:00:11,361 --> 01:00:12,862 You owe these people money." 1253 01:00:28,878 --> 01:00:30,630 BANKSTON: For the past three years, 1254 01:00:30,714 --> 01:00:33,466 Infowars has repeatedly disobeyed 1255 01:00:33,550 --> 01:00:34,843 the court's instructions. 1256 01:00:34,926 --> 01:00:37,429 Has broken virtually every rule 1257 01:00:37,512 --> 01:00:38,847 that could be put in front of them. 1258 01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:41,349 The judge had enough, said it's over. 1259 01:00:44,561 --> 01:00:47,397 What that means is he's lost. It's over. 1260 01:00:48,815 --> 01:00:51,651 Because a default judgment has been granted against Jones, 1261 01:00:51,735 --> 01:00:53,028 and that's a big event. 1262 01:00:53,111 --> 01:00:55,405 All that's left to do is to determine 1263 01:00:55,447 --> 01:00:57,032 how much he has to pay these parents 1264 01:00:57,115 --> 01:00:59,868 for the unlawful acts he did. That's it. 1265 01:01:03,705 --> 01:01:05,790 This jury will be instructed, 1266 01:01:05,832 --> 01:01:07,834 at the very beginning of this trial, 1267 01:01:07,917 --> 01:01:10,545 that they are to find that the defendant 1268 01:01:10,628 --> 01:01:12,130 has committed these acts. 1269 01:01:12,213 --> 01:01:13,590 All right, Mr. Jones, you know about, 1270 01:01:13,631 --> 01:01:17,052 uh, back in September a default got granted against you, right? 1271 01:01:17,135 --> 01:01:18,720 I know I didn't get a jury trial. 1272 01:01:18,803 --> 01:01:19,971 I know a judge said I was guilty. 1273 01:01:20,013 --> 01:01:21,723 I don't believe that I live in the Soviet Union. 1274 01:01:21,806 --> 01:01:24,434 BANKSTON: Now that you got beat in court, 1275 01:01:24,476 --> 01:01:25,852 now that a default's been granted-- 1276 01:01:25,935 --> 01:01:27,228 No, I didn't get beat in court. 1277 01:01:27,312 --> 01:01:29,981 (STAMMERS) I got beat by an organized crime syndicate. 1278 01:01:30,065 --> 01:01:31,858 WES BALL: What Jones decided to do in this case 1279 01:01:31,941 --> 01:01:33,902 was not participate in discovery. 1280 01:01:33,985 --> 01:01:38,114 And he never gave us anything other than just pure BS. 1281 01:01:38,948 --> 01:01:40,992 Yet he turns around then and says, 1282 01:01:41,076 --> 01:01:43,578 "Oh, I gave so much information." 1283 01:01:43,661 --> 01:01:46,289 If-- if-- if you give me 80 pounds of shit, 1284 01:01:46,331 --> 01:01:47,874 it's still 80 pounds of shit. 1285 01:01:47,957 --> 01:01:51,711 This is a show trial. Eighty-one thousand pages, 1286 01:01:51,795 --> 01:01:54,214 two depositions with myself and my whole crew, 1287 01:01:54,297 --> 01:01:56,716 because we don't have what you claim we have. 1288 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,301 He looked at it and said, 1289 01:01:58,343 --> 01:01:59,928 "If I give you all the information that I'm supposed to give you, 1290 01:02:00,011 --> 01:02:01,054 there's no way I'm ever gonna win. 1291 01:02:01,137 --> 01:02:02,472 So why the hell am I gonna give it to you?" 1292 01:02:02,514 --> 01:02:05,850 So, if you don't give it to us, there's remedies for that. 1293 01:02:05,892 --> 01:02:08,019 And that remedy is, again, the default. 1294 01:02:08,061 --> 01:02:11,231 It's a kangaroo trial because it is. 1295 01:02:12,399 --> 01:02:14,442 BANKSTON: You didn't even answer discovery. 1296 01:02:14,526 --> 01:02:15,985 When you tell your show 1297 01:02:16,027 --> 01:02:17,946 that this is all just a kangaroo court 1298 01:02:18,029 --> 01:02:20,740 and you completely complied but got railroaded, 1299 01:02:20,824 --> 01:02:21,908 that's not true. 1300 01:02:21,991 --> 01:02:23,368 -None of that's true. -No, it is true. 1301 01:02:23,451 --> 01:02:25,870 I mean, I remember giving you guys all sorts of stuff. 1302 01:02:25,954 --> 01:02:27,330 Then you would say you hadn't been given it. 1303 01:02:27,372 --> 01:02:30,834 I don't say this as a victim, but this is traumatic for me, 1304 01:02:30,875 --> 01:02:33,044 and I'm s-- and I'm tired of hearing about it. 1305 01:02:33,086 --> 01:02:36,214 And now, I have, like, a mental wall on Sandy Hook 1306 01:02:36,256 --> 01:02:37,173 that just goes up, 1307 01:02:37,215 --> 01:02:39,384 because I can't deal with the stress of it. 1308 01:02:39,467 --> 01:02:42,887 And so, I just put a mental wall up and I-- I-- 1309 01:02:42,929 --> 01:02:44,222 You ask me these questions, 1310 01:02:44,264 --> 01:02:46,766 and it's like... I just can't deal with it anymore. 1311 01:02:47,225 --> 01:02:49,102 (SIGHS) 1312 01:02:50,353 --> 01:02:52,147 (EXHALES SHARPLY) 1313 01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:58,820 ♪ (TENSE STRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1314 01:02:58,903 --> 01:03:01,406 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1315 01:03:07,746 --> 01:03:10,707 ALEX: I'm gonna tell you again. You're having all of your rights robbed. 1316 01:03:10,749 --> 01:03:12,083 We're not allowed to tell the jury 1317 01:03:12,125 --> 01:03:13,585 that Infowars is bankrupt. 1318 01:03:13,668 --> 01:03:16,087 This is a kangaroo court. This is a political action. 1319 01:03:16,171 --> 01:03:17,464 It's a witch hunt. I'll be back later. 1320 01:03:17,547 --> 01:03:18,882 BANKSTON: We got business here. 1321 01:03:18,923 --> 01:03:20,884 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 1322 01:03:23,261 --> 01:03:25,263 REPORTER: We just heard from Alex Jones. 1323 01:03:25,305 --> 01:03:29,184 He believes the trial is a sham, a show trial. 1324 01:03:29,267 --> 01:03:31,770 He's saying that because he's already been found liable 1325 01:03:31,853 --> 01:03:34,105 by default by this judge. 1326 01:03:34,189 --> 01:03:37,359 (QUIET CHATTER) 1327 01:03:43,406 --> 01:03:45,992 (DOOR OPENS, CLOSES) 1328 01:03:46,076 --> 01:03:47,369 COURT CLERK: All rise. 1329 01:03:48,453 --> 01:03:50,914 459th District Court is now in session. 1330 01:03:50,955 --> 01:03:53,249 The Honorable Judge Maya Guerra Gamble presiding. 1331 01:03:53,708 --> 01:03:54,959 Good morning. 1332 01:03:56,294 --> 01:03:57,921 You may be seated. 1333 01:03:57,962 --> 01:04:00,006 This is Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis 1334 01:04:00,090 --> 01:04:01,800 versus Alex E. Jones 1335 01:04:01,841 --> 01:04:05,303 and Free Speech Systems LLC. 1336 01:04:05,345 --> 01:04:07,597 You are not here to determine if Mr. Jones 1337 01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:10,475 and Free Speech Systems LLC defamed 1338 01:04:10,517 --> 01:04:13,561 or intentionally inflicted emotional distress 1339 01:04:13,645 --> 01:04:15,980 on Mr. Heslin or Ms. Lewis. 1340 01:04:16,064 --> 01:04:17,941 The court has already found 1341 01:04:17,982 --> 01:04:20,652 that they have committed these acts. 1342 01:04:20,694 --> 01:04:24,197 The jury's job will be to determine what sum of money, 1343 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,575 if any, would fairly and reasonably compensate 1344 01:04:27,659 --> 01:04:29,494 Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis 1345 01:04:29,577 --> 01:04:32,914 for the damages they incurred that were proximately caused 1346 01:04:32,997 --> 01:04:36,668 by Mr. Jones and Free Speech Systems LLC. 1347 01:04:37,752 --> 01:04:40,171 Mr. Bankston, whenever you are ready. 1348 01:04:42,882 --> 01:04:45,176 Ladies and gentlemen, my name's Mark Bankston, 1349 01:04:45,260 --> 01:04:48,221 and I'm here to talk to you about two rules. 1350 01:04:48,304 --> 01:04:51,391 First, you can't recklessly tell lies 1351 01:04:51,474 --> 01:04:54,227 about something important to someone. 1352 01:04:54,310 --> 01:04:57,188 In this case, like the death of their child. 1353 01:04:58,273 --> 01:05:02,027 If you do that, you know you're going to cause them harm, 1354 01:05:02,068 --> 01:05:03,528 you're responsible for that. 1355 01:05:04,529 --> 01:05:08,742 Mr. Jones continually was churning this idea 1356 01:05:08,825 --> 01:05:10,493 that Sandy Hook was fake. 1357 01:05:12,537 --> 01:05:15,540 You need to understand that he intentionally lied 1358 01:05:16,166 --> 01:05:18,293 to sell supplements. 1359 01:05:18,376 --> 01:05:24,090 Mr. Jones used Jesse's death to sell his products. 1360 01:05:25,884 --> 01:05:28,428 Mr. Jones told the world 1361 01:05:28,511 --> 01:05:32,140 that Neil was lying about holding Jesse's body. 1362 01:05:33,433 --> 01:05:39,105 Because Mr. Jones will do or say anything 1363 01:05:39,189 --> 01:05:42,484 to protect his ability to profit off his lies. 1364 01:05:43,234 --> 01:05:45,820 And over the last decade, 1365 01:05:45,904 --> 01:05:49,657 Mr. Jones has become incredibly influential 1366 01:05:50,575 --> 01:05:52,744 over a segment of this country. 1367 01:05:52,827 --> 01:05:57,248 What I want you to remember about this is this number. 1368 01:05:59,084 --> 01:06:01,044 Twenty-four percent 1369 01:06:01,086 --> 01:06:03,963 is the percent of people in this country 1370 01:06:04,047 --> 01:06:06,591 who believe that Sandy Hook was either definitely 1371 01:06:06,633 --> 01:06:07,550 or possibly staged, 1372 01:06:07,592 --> 01:06:12,138 and group of people is 75 million people. 1373 01:06:12,222 --> 01:06:14,099 You can put an end to these lies 1374 01:06:14,641 --> 01:06:16,184 by punishing Alex Jones. 1375 01:06:18,603 --> 01:06:20,188 -(WHISPERING) -BANKSTON: Thank you very much. 1376 01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:24,234 MAYA GUERRA GAMBLE: All right, thank you, Mr. Bankston. 1377 01:06:25,777 --> 01:06:27,153 It was surreal. 1378 01:06:28,279 --> 01:06:32,117 That 24 percent just was so powerful, 1379 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:33,451 especially to me. 1380 01:06:33,535 --> 01:06:37,163 I mean, I had known that, but I didn't want to say it 1381 01:06:37,247 --> 01:06:39,958 because I didn't really want to acknowledge 1382 01:06:40,041 --> 01:06:44,212 that a quarter of Americans don't believe the facts. 1383 01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:49,426 REYNAL: Infowars believes in people's right 1384 01:06:49,968 --> 01:06:52,012 to question information. 1385 01:06:52,095 --> 01:06:54,639 Alex Jones doesn't trust the government. 1386 01:06:55,807 --> 01:06:59,811 Millions of Americans don't trust the government. 1387 01:06:59,853 --> 01:07:02,814 There's nothing sort of more appealing 1388 01:07:02,856 --> 01:07:05,483 than when I see, uh, you know, 1389 01:07:05,567 --> 01:07:08,319 a person alone surrounded by a lynch mob. 1390 01:07:10,822 --> 01:07:14,659 Despite his hyperbole, 1391 01:07:14,701 --> 01:07:17,954 he has helped millions of people 1392 01:07:17,996 --> 01:07:20,498 realize for the first time 1393 01:07:20,540 --> 01:07:24,044 the depredations that are affected upon them 1394 01:07:24,127 --> 01:07:27,464 by the elites. 1395 01:07:27,505 --> 01:07:29,841 And I think for that he is an American hero. 1396 01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:35,096 He is one of the most polarizing figures 1397 01:07:35,513 --> 01:07:37,390 in this nation. 1398 01:07:37,474 --> 01:07:40,810 They want to tell you this is the Great Satan. 1399 01:07:40,852 --> 01:07:43,104 You will be able to decide. 1400 01:07:45,982 --> 01:07:47,776 REYNAL: The plaintiff's attorneys 1401 01:07:47,859 --> 01:07:50,528 took Mr. Heslin and Ms. Lewis 1402 01:07:50,612 --> 01:07:54,240 and they convinced them that Alex Jones was responsible 1403 01:07:54,324 --> 01:07:57,035 for all the pain that they have in their lives. 1404 01:07:57,077 --> 01:07:59,204 And then they grabbed Alex Jones 1405 01:07:59,287 --> 01:08:01,414 and they threw us both into a pit 1406 01:08:01,498 --> 01:08:03,792 so that we could fight against each other on... 1407 01:08:03,875 --> 01:08:05,335 on national television. 1408 01:08:08,755 --> 01:08:10,799 GAMBLE: Mr. Shroyer, raise your right hand 1409 01:08:10,882 --> 01:08:12,217 to be sworn in, please. 1410 01:08:13,468 --> 01:08:16,513 BANKSTON: Neil said, "I held my son in my arms. 1411 01:08:17,596 --> 01:08:20,183 I saw the bullet wound through his forehead." 1412 01:08:21,434 --> 01:08:23,060 The person who got on the Internet, 1413 01:08:23,144 --> 01:08:24,479 on Jones's web show, 1414 01:08:24,562 --> 01:08:26,398 and said that Neil Heslin was a liar, 1415 01:08:26,481 --> 01:08:29,234 that's Infowars reporter Owen Shroyer. 1416 01:08:29,274 --> 01:08:33,071 You did a show on June 25th, 2017, 1417 01:08:33,154 --> 01:08:35,907 where you were the sole host. You remember that? 1418 01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:37,408 -Yes. -KYLE FARRAR: Okay. 1419 01:08:37,492 --> 01:08:40,537 You were handed the story while you were on air live 1420 01:08:40,578 --> 01:08:42,788 -and you ran with it, right? -Yes. 1421 01:08:42,872 --> 01:08:45,625 FARRAR: You had no problem putting that on the air, right? 1422 01:08:47,042 --> 01:08:48,086 Yes. 1423 01:08:48,127 --> 01:08:51,631 FARRAR: The message is, "Neil Heslin never held Jesse." 1424 01:08:51,715 --> 01:08:52,841 -Right? -No. 1425 01:08:52,924 --> 01:08:56,094 OWEN SHROYER: He's claiming that he held his son 1426 01:08:56,176 --> 01:08:58,595 and saw the bullet hole in his head. 1427 01:08:58,638 --> 01:08:59,596 That is his claim. 1428 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,434 Now, according to a timeline of events 1429 01:09:02,517 --> 01:09:07,397 and a coroner's testimony, that is not possible. 1430 01:09:08,231 --> 01:09:11,276 Okay, so making a pretty extreme claim 1431 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,361 that would be a very thing vivid in your memory, 1432 01:09:13,444 --> 01:09:15,238 holding his dead child. 1433 01:09:16,948 --> 01:09:19,743 FARRAR: When you, three times, say, "He's claiming it," 1434 01:09:19,783 --> 01:09:23,955 and then show evidence that you say refutes it, 1435 01:09:23,997 --> 01:09:25,290 you're saying you're not doubting it? 1436 01:09:25,331 --> 01:09:27,625 I didn't show evidence that refuted his claim. 1437 01:09:27,709 --> 01:09:30,127 I showed evidence that was presented to me 1438 01:09:30,170 --> 01:09:32,130 that says this doesn't add up. 1439 01:09:32,171 --> 01:09:35,091 But I never called Mr. Heslin a liar. 1440 01:09:35,133 --> 01:09:38,428 I never said Sandy Hook didn't happen. 1441 01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:40,889 FARRAR: In the process of putting that story out 1442 01:09:40,971 --> 01:09:45,977 to a worldwide broadcast, you hurt real people. 1443 01:09:46,060 --> 01:09:47,604 You understand that now, right? 1444 01:09:53,318 --> 01:09:56,613 I mean-- (SIGHS) You still don't care, do you? 1445 01:09:56,654 --> 01:09:57,989 I do care. 1446 01:09:58,031 --> 01:10:00,325 -♪ ("UPRISING" BY MUSE PLAYS) ♪ -Will there be a clarification 1447 01:10:00,367 --> 01:10:02,827 from Heslin or Megyn Kelly? 1448 01:10:03,745 --> 01:10:05,997 I wouldn't hold your breath. (LAUGHS) 1449 01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:08,750 So now they're fueling the conspiracy theory claims. 1450 01:10:08,833 --> 01:10:11,044 Unbelievable. We'll be right back with more. 1451 01:10:11,127 --> 01:10:13,046 ♪ (SONG STOPS) ♪ 1452 01:10:13,129 --> 01:10:16,049 FARRAR: Why in the world would Neil Heslin 1453 01:10:16,132 --> 01:10:18,510 -owe you an explanation? -He doesn't. 1454 01:10:20,845 --> 01:10:22,889 Do you think Scarlett and Neil deserve better 1455 01:10:22,972 --> 01:10:24,349 than what you did that day? 1456 01:10:24,891 --> 01:10:25,892 Yes. 1457 01:10:29,521 --> 01:10:32,649 FARRAR: So right after you called Neil Heslin a liar, 1458 01:10:32,691 --> 01:10:34,901 they ran a commercial for a product 1459 01:10:34,984 --> 01:10:38,947 that they sell on their website called Z-Shield, right? 1460 01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:42,200 Well, yes, when we go to a break, we run commercials. 1461 01:10:42,242 --> 01:10:45,120 Right. Because Infowars 1462 01:10:45,203 --> 01:10:47,205 is actually an infomercial, 1463 01:10:47,247 --> 01:10:48,665 -right? -No. 1464 01:10:55,964 --> 01:10:58,258 ALEX: Thank you for joining us on this live Tuesday 1465 01:10:58,341 --> 01:10:59,718 worldwide transmission. 1466 01:11:01,678 --> 01:11:03,972 I'm hosting this hour, and then I'm gonna get in a car 1467 01:11:04,055 --> 01:11:08,268 and drive down to testify today in the show trial. 1468 01:11:09,394 --> 01:11:10,729 It's demonic. 1469 01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:12,480 They all act demonically possessed. 1470 01:11:12,564 --> 01:11:14,524 The judge, the lawyers. 1471 01:11:15,608 --> 01:11:18,194 It's surreal to be around them. 1472 01:11:18,236 --> 01:11:19,863 BALL: Mr. Neil Heslin to the stand. 1473 01:11:19,904 --> 01:11:22,115 All right, Mr. Heslin, you'll come in front of me, please, 1474 01:11:22,198 --> 01:11:23,199 so I can swear you in. 1475 01:11:23,241 --> 01:11:24,826 ALEX: The judge is primping, 1476 01:11:24,909 --> 01:11:27,871 and they've got an HBO camera with her all mic-ed up in there. 1477 01:11:27,912 --> 01:11:28,747 (MOCKING) "Oh! Oh" 1478 01:11:28,788 --> 01:11:30,415 They've got dozens of cameras in there. 1479 01:11:30,498 --> 01:11:34,210 Then they go, "This man tortured these innocent people 1480 01:11:34,252 --> 01:11:35,712 for ten years." 1481 01:11:38,381 --> 01:11:39,632 BALL: Mr. Heslin... 1482 01:11:40,967 --> 01:11:43,803 Mr. Jones's attorney said that he would be here today. 1483 01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:46,556 How does it make you feel, 1484 01:11:46,598 --> 01:11:49,517 sitting in this courtroom right now, 1485 01:11:49,601 --> 01:11:52,771 that Mr. Jones is not sitting here facing you? 1486 01:11:54,064 --> 01:11:55,774 I think it's a disrespect 1487 01:11:56,775 --> 01:11:59,861 and I think it's a cowardly act of Alex Jones 1488 01:11:59,944 --> 01:12:02,572 not to be facing me here in this courtroom. 1489 01:12:05,367 --> 01:12:07,952 ALEX: I've now met Neil Heslin. 1490 01:12:07,994 --> 01:12:10,038 And I'll just say it, 'cause I gotta be honest. 1491 01:12:10,121 --> 01:12:11,122 He's slow. 1492 01:12:11,164 --> 01:12:13,083 And now that I've been around him for over a week, 1493 01:12:13,124 --> 01:12:14,709 I'm like, "Okay." 1494 01:12:16,336 --> 01:12:22,008 Mr. Heslin, did you hear what was being said 1495 01:12:22,092 --> 01:12:25,178 by Alex Jones and his associates 1496 01:12:25,261 --> 01:12:29,683 as a denial that Jesse ever existed? 1497 01:12:30,141 --> 01:12:31,351 NEIL: Yes. 1498 01:12:33,228 --> 01:12:34,479 He did live. 1499 01:12:34,521 --> 01:12:37,107 I was blessed with him for six and a half years. 1500 01:12:37,148 --> 01:12:40,568 (SNIFFLES) 1501 01:12:41,778 --> 01:12:44,614 I did hold my son with a bullet hole in his head. 1502 01:12:45,573 --> 01:12:47,492 This trial is the only way 1503 01:12:47,534 --> 01:12:50,453 I can restore my credibility and reputation. 1504 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:58,003 And Jesse's legacy and honor, 1505 01:12:58,086 --> 01:13:00,046 as he so much deserves. 1506 01:13:01,131 --> 01:13:04,175 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1507 01:13:08,179 --> 01:13:11,933 SCARLETT: Neil had always talked about wanting his day in court 1508 01:13:11,975 --> 01:13:14,227 and he wanted to face Jones. 1509 01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:17,272 And actually, for me, 1510 01:13:17,313 --> 01:13:21,568 that was a pretty scary thing to think about. 1511 01:13:21,651 --> 01:13:23,820 (CAR HORNS HONKING) 1512 01:13:23,862 --> 01:13:26,031 SCARLETT: And, you know, he wasn't in court a lot, 1513 01:13:26,072 --> 01:13:28,908 so you could never predict when he was going to be in court 1514 01:13:28,992 --> 01:13:30,076 and when he wasn't. 1515 01:13:34,664 --> 01:13:36,332 REPORTER 1: How are you doing today, Mr. Jones? 1516 01:13:36,374 --> 01:13:37,375 Doing great. 1517 01:13:37,459 --> 01:13:38,585 REPORTER 2: Mr. Jones, can you tell us 1518 01:13:38,668 --> 01:13:40,128 why you weren't in trial this morning? 1519 01:13:40,211 --> 01:13:41,921 ALEX: The whole country is turning against the Democratic Party. 1520 01:13:54,642 --> 01:13:56,519 SCARLETT: And there he is. 1521 01:13:56,561 --> 01:13:59,022 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1522 01:14:03,777 --> 01:14:06,946 My stomach just turned over. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 1523 01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:08,948 It did a flip-flop. 1524 01:14:09,032 --> 01:14:10,575 GAMBLE: Spit your gum out, Mr. Jones. 1525 01:14:10,617 --> 01:14:12,577 -ALEX: It's not gum. -GAMBLE: Well, what is it? 1526 01:14:13,286 --> 01:14:14,621 'Cause you're not allowed food 1527 01:14:14,704 --> 01:14:16,956 or gum of any kind in the courtroom. 1528 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,418 I had my tooth pulled a week and a half ago, 1529 01:14:20,502 --> 01:14:22,629 and it's-- I had some gauze in there earlier. 1530 01:14:22,712 --> 01:14:24,923 So you're chewing on your gauze? 1531 01:14:24,964 --> 01:14:26,299 ALEX: Would you like me to show you? 1532 01:14:26,383 --> 01:14:27,842 -No. -I can show you right here. 1533 01:14:27,926 --> 01:14:30,595 GAMBLE: I don't want to see the inside of your mouth. 1534 01:14:30,637 --> 01:14:32,097 No, there's no gum. 1535 01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:35,100 -Hole. -GAMBLE: Sit down. 1536 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:39,938 We're bringing the jury in. 1537 01:14:43,316 --> 01:14:46,194 (INAUDIBLE) 1538 01:14:53,118 --> 01:14:55,954 SCARLETT: He's sitting right in front of me, 1539 01:14:56,037 --> 01:14:58,832 and I'm looking right into his eyes. 1540 01:15:05,922 --> 01:15:07,424 BALL: Are you pleased that you at least 1541 01:15:07,465 --> 01:15:09,926 now finally get to look this man in the eye? 1542 01:15:10,802 --> 01:15:11,803 Yes. 1543 01:15:12,846 --> 01:15:15,640 I wanted to tell you, to your face, 1544 01:15:15,682 --> 01:15:17,350 because I wanted you to know 1545 01:15:17,434 --> 01:15:20,562 that I am a mother, first and foremost. 1546 01:15:20,645 --> 01:15:22,564 And I know that you're a father. 1547 01:15:22,647 --> 01:15:24,691 And my son existed. 1548 01:15:24,774 --> 01:15:28,528 You're still on your show today, trying to say 1549 01:15:28,611 --> 01:15:33,533 that I'm... implying that I'm an actress. 1550 01:15:33,616 --> 01:15:37,078 That I'm deep state. You have, this week. 1551 01:15:37,162 --> 01:15:41,750 And truth is what we base our reality on. 1552 01:15:41,833 --> 01:15:46,629 And we have to agree on that to have a civil society. 1553 01:15:47,505 --> 01:15:50,258 Sandy Hook is a hard truth. 1554 01:15:50,342 --> 01:15:53,511 And having a quarter of Americans 1555 01:15:53,595 --> 01:15:55,555 doubt that Sandy Hook happened, 1556 01:15:55,638 --> 01:15:58,683 or doubt the facts around Sandy Hook, 1557 01:15:58,767 --> 01:16:01,561 is not conducive to keeping our kids safe. 1558 01:16:01,644 --> 01:16:02,854 It's not. 1559 01:16:03,938 --> 01:16:06,775 Jesse was real. I am a real mom. 1560 01:16:06,858 --> 01:16:09,736 I know you know that. That's the problem. 1561 01:16:09,819 --> 01:16:14,074 I know you know that, and you keep saying it. 1562 01:16:14,157 --> 01:16:19,871 You keep saying it. Why? Why? For money? 1563 01:16:21,706 --> 01:16:24,584 Because you've made a lot of money while you've said it. 1564 01:16:24,668 --> 01:16:27,337 I know you're-- I mean... 1565 01:16:33,176 --> 01:16:34,386 I know you believe me. 1566 01:16:35,387 --> 01:16:36,554 And yet you're going to get-- 1567 01:16:36,638 --> 01:16:38,723 You're going to leave this courthouse 1568 01:16:38,765 --> 01:16:41,142 and you're going to say it again on your show. 1569 01:16:43,770 --> 01:16:46,064 You're saying no. You just did it. 1570 01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:48,858 (SIGHS) 1571 01:16:49,818 --> 01:16:51,152 BALL: Did you have an opportunity 1572 01:16:51,236 --> 01:16:55,657 to hear what Mr. Jones had said on his show, 1573 01:16:55,740 --> 01:16:57,826 not 45 minutes or so ago, 1574 01:16:57,909 --> 01:17:00,829 about Mr. Heslin and his testimony? 1575 01:17:01,579 --> 01:17:02,414 Yes. 1576 01:17:02,455 --> 01:17:03,707 REYNAL: I'm going to object, Your Honor. 1577 01:17:03,748 --> 01:17:06,710 It's an edited clip. 1578 01:17:06,751 --> 01:17:08,294 I don't think it should be played. 1579 01:17:08,378 --> 01:17:09,379 GAMBLE: Overruled. 1580 01:17:10,755 --> 01:17:12,632 I mean, I'll just say it 'cause I gotta be honest. 1581 01:17:12,716 --> 01:17:14,467 He's slow. Okay? 1582 01:17:14,551 --> 01:17:15,927 I don't think he's stupid. 1583 01:17:16,011 --> 01:17:17,804 I'm just saying he's... he's... 1584 01:17:17,887 --> 01:17:21,099 I mean, I think Heslin acts like somebody on the spectrum, 1585 01:17:21,141 --> 01:17:23,810 and it makes me feel like an even bigger jerk. 1586 01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:28,982 BALL: How does it make you feel, 1587 01:17:29,065 --> 01:17:34,404 knowing that that was said today by this man on his radio show 1588 01:17:34,446 --> 01:17:36,990 while Jesse's father was testifying 1589 01:17:37,073 --> 01:17:39,617 in that same seat you're sitting in? 1590 01:17:39,659 --> 01:17:45,123 It makes me feel... astounded in a bad way. 1591 01:17:45,206 --> 01:17:50,337 It's horrific. Horrific. Horrific. 1592 01:17:51,588 --> 01:17:53,131 BALL: You have a claim 1593 01:17:53,214 --> 01:17:56,801 for intentional infliction of emotional distress. 1594 01:17:56,885 --> 01:17:58,595 -Do you not? -Yes. 1595 01:17:58,678 --> 01:18:02,349 BALL: And what do you hope will be accomplished? 1596 01:18:04,267 --> 01:18:05,477 SCARLETT: In some way, 1597 01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,439 you've impacted every single day of my life negatively 1598 01:18:09,481 --> 01:18:12,359 since-- almost since Jesse's murder. 1599 01:18:14,110 --> 01:18:17,822 Alex has been asked to stop, and he hasn't. 1600 01:18:17,906 --> 01:18:19,449 He's still doing it today. 1601 01:18:20,992 --> 01:18:23,161 So you're not going to stop. 1602 01:18:24,204 --> 01:18:27,665 I don't even think my pleading with you up here 1603 01:18:27,749 --> 01:18:29,209 is going to get you to stop. 1604 01:18:29,834 --> 01:18:34,798 It seems so incredible to me 1605 01:18:35,757 --> 01:18:38,176 that we have to do this. 1606 01:18:41,596 --> 01:18:45,350 That we have to implore you, 1607 01:18:46,601 --> 01:18:48,103 not just implore you, 1608 01:18:48,186 --> 01:18:52,232 punish you to get you to stop lying, 1609 01:18:53,775 --> 01:18:56,111 saying it's a hoax. It happened. 1610 01:18:56,194 --> 01:18:58,988 It's, like, surreal, what's going on in here. 1611 01:18:59,030 --> 01:19:02,409 I think everyone in here probably feels that way. 1612 01:19:06,246 --> 01:19:07,288 (SIGHS) 1613 01:19:08,707 --> 01:19:12,210 I hope to accomplish an era of truth. 1614 01:19:13,670 --> 01:19:15,380 An era of truth. 1615 01:19:15,422 --> 01:19:17,757 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1616 01:19:19,759 --> 01:19:21,011 Please. 1617 01:19:32,355 --> 01:19:36,276 GAMBLE: Mr. Reynal, do you have a witness for the jury? 1618 01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:37,986 I do. 1619 01:19:38,069 --> 01:19:40,405 The defense would call Alex E. Jones. 1620 01:19:40,447 --> 01:19:41,448 GAMBLE: All right, Mr. Jones, 1621 01:19:41,531 --> 01:19:43,074 come stand in front of me, please. 1622 01:19:44,492 --> 01:19:45,869 Raise your right hand. 1623 01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:47,787 Do you solemnly swear or affirm, 1624 01:19:47,871 --> 01:19:49,164 under penalty of perjury, 1625 01:19:49,247 --> 01:19:51,166 that the testimony you are about to give 1626 01:19:51,249 --> 01:19:53,168 shall be the truth, the whole truth, 1627 01:19:53,251 --> 01:19:55,337 -and nothing but the truth? -I do. 1628 01:19:55,378 --> 01:19:57,130 Thank you. Come have a seat. 1629 01:19:58,631 --> 01:20:01,760 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1630 01:20:01,801 --> 01:20:03,428 REYNAL: He didn't have to be there. 1631 01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:05,096 You know, he wasn't subpoenaed. 1632 01:20:05,180 --> 01:20:07,640 You know, within the bounds of what was allowed, 1633 01:20:07,724 --> 01:20:09,517 we tried to let him tell his story. 1634 01:20:11,353 --> 01:20:13,396 Alex, would you please introduce yourself 1635 01:20:13,438 --> 01:20:15,273 to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury? 1636 01:20:15,357 --> 01:20:16,441 Hi, I'm Alex Jones. 1637 01:20:18,276 --> 01:20:19,986 REYNAL: How are you feeling today, Alex? 1638 01:20:20,737 --> 01:20:22,030 I actually feel good 1639 01:20:22,113 --> 01:20:24,991 because I get a chance to, for the first time, 1640 01:20:25,075 --> 01:20:27,869 say what's really going on, instead of the corporate media 1641 01:20:27,952 --> 01:20:29,120 and high-powered law firms 1642 01:20:29,162 --> 01:20:30,955 manipulating what I actually did. 1643 01:20:31,039 --> 01:20:32,999 I just do want to say this on record, 1644 01:20:33,083 --> 01:20:34,125 'cause I've said it many times... 1645 01:20:34,167 --> 01:20:35,293 BANKSTON: Objection, non-responsive. 1646 01:20:35,335 --> 01:20:37,128 -I apologize to both-- -GAMBLE: Uh! Sustained. 1647 01:20:37,170 --> 01:20:39,798 So, Mr. Jones, this is not a conversation. 1648 01:20:39,881 --> 01:20:41,466 It's question and answer. 1649 01:20:41,508 --> 01:20:43,760 So she got to monologue but not me. I got it. 1650 01:20:43,802 --> 01:20:47,597 GAMBLE: And so you have to only answer questions 1651 01:20:47,639 --> 01:20:48,890 that are asked of you. 1652 01:20:49,474 --> 01:20:50,475 You may proceed. 1653 01:20:52,644 --> 01:20:58,441 REYNAL: Mr. Jones, have you been wanting to apologize 1654 01:20:58,483 --> 01:21:00,985 to the plaintiffs in this case for a long time? 1655 01:21:01,069 --> 01:21:01,986 Yes. 1656 01:21:02,028 --> 01:21:04,489 REYNAL: And what would you like to say to them? 1657 01:21:04,531 --> 01:21:08,076 That I never intentionally tried to hurt you. 1658 01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:12,080 Today, where they play a 30 s-- or one-minute clip, 1659 01:21:12,163 --> 01:21:14,457 and I knew that I said, "I believe 1660 01:21:14,499 --> 01:21:19,504 that Scarlett Lewis is real and she's a really nice person 1661 01:21:19,587 --> 01:21:21,047 and she's really a sweet person." 1662 01:21:21,131 --> 01:21:23,717 And then I went through and talked about her ex-husband too. 1663 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,052 And then... then I said, "I believe they're being fed and manipulated." 1664 01:21:26,136 --> 01:21:27,804 BANKSTON: Your Honor, objection, non-responsive. 1665 01:21:27,846 --> 01:21:29,347 GAMBLE: Sustained. 1666 01:21:29,431 --> 01:21:31,141 -This is a perfect-- -GAMBLE: Sustained. 1667 01:21:31,182 --> 01:21:33,518 When you hear sustained, you have to stop talking. 1668 01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,020 Okay. Okay. 1669 01:21:35,812 --> 01:21:36,896 (ALEX MUMBLES) 1670 01:21:36,980 --> 01:21:39,149 (COUGHS) Excuse me. Sorry. (CLEARS THROAT) 1671 01:21:39,190 --> 01:21:42,485 -Mr. Jones. -Oh, thank you very much. 1672 01:21:42,527 --> 01:21:45,030 I'm sorry. I just... I just... 1673 01:21:45,113 --> 01:21:48,199 (GULPS) I'm about to have to have surgery on this. It's... 1674 01:21:48,241 --> 01:21:49,659 It's been like this for ten years, 1675 01:21:49,701 --> 01:21:51,369 but it's really bad now. 1676 01:21:51,411 --> 01:21:56,291 REYNAL: Let's talk about Infowars and its business model. 1677 01:21:57,167 --> 01:21:59,711 -Do you sell vitamins? -Yes. 1678 01:21:59,794 --> 01:22:03,256 We have them made by the... the top lab 1679 01:22:03,340 --> 01:22:05,091 recognized in the United States. 1680 01:22:05,175 --> 01:22:07,177 All we do is put our label on it, 1681 01:22:07,218 --> 01:22:09,929 so we know it's triple-tested, the highest quality. 1682 01:22:10,013 --> 01:22:11,264 And that's why people love it 1683 01:22:11,348 --> 01:22:14,893 because it is the best out there. 1684 01:22:14,934 --> 01:22:16,019 There's all sorts of crap 1685 01:22:16,061 --> 01:22:17,812 you can buy at a gas station out there. 1686 01:22:17,896 --> 01:22:19,481 That's not what ours is. 1687 01:22:19,564 --> 01:22:24,402 I mean, we buy our PQQ and CoQ10 from the Japanese. 1688 01:22:24,486 --> 01:22:26,613 I mean, it's the best. 1689 01:22:26,696 --> 01:22:29,157 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1690 01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:32,535 REYNAL: Let's discuss email. 1691 01:22:32,577 --> 01:22:36,706 How much email does Infowars routinely get? 1692 01:22:37,791 --> 01:22:41,086 Uh, I mean... I mean, I know when we looked to comply 1693 01:22:41,169 --> 01:22:43,588 with the discovery, which we complied with, 1694 01:22:43,630 --> 01:22:45,924 it was over ten million that they had to search 1695 01:22:45,965 --> 01:22:48,218 that was still in the inbox, unopened. 1696 01:22:48,259 --> 01:22:51,513 REYNAL: How many employees would Infowars have to have, 1697 01:22:51,596 --> 01:22:55,225 in your view, if you were to actually read every message, 1698 01:22:55,266 --> 01:22:58,144 every email, every tip that's sent in? 1699 01:22:59,187 --> 01:23:00,939 It would take ten, 15, 20 people. 1700 01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:02,732 We'd go bankrupt, which we are now. But... 1701 01:23:05,652 --> 01:23:07,946 BANKSTON: Your Honor, I have a couple motions I'm gonna need to take up 1702 01:23:08,029 --> 01:23:09,114 outside the presence of the jury. 1703 01:23:09,197 --> 01:23:10,448 I don't know if you want to do that now 1704 01:23:10,532 --> 01:23:12,117 or wait till he's done with his direct. 1705 01:23:12,158 --> 01:23:14,869 GAMBLE: All right. We're gonna-- 1706 01:23:14,953 --> 01:23:17,205 Just-- just sit tight for a second. 1707 01:23:18,957 --> 01:23:20,583 We're going to take a break. 1708 01:23:20,625 --> 01:23:23,378 -All right, thank you. -COURT CLERK: All rise. 1709 01:23:26,589 --> 01:23:28,091 BANKSTON: I don't know what's going on, Your Honor, 1710 01:23:28,133 --> 01:23:29,843 but I need to bring a couple of motions there 1711 01:23:29,926 --> 01:23:31,428 for jury instructions. 1712 01:23:31,469 --> 01:23:35,098 Mr. Reynal just absolutely solicited direct testimony 1713 01:23:35,140 --> 01:23:37,142 from Mr. Jones that he is bankrupt. 1714 01:23:37,183 --> 01:23:39,561 Mr. Jones has testified straight into the record 1715 01:23:39,644 --> 01:23:42,230 that he's bankrupt, which is not true. 1716 01:23:42,313 --> 01:23:44,399 Mr. Jones just intentionally did that 1717 01:23:44,482 --> 01:23:47,152 in violation of your order to attempt to poison 1718 01:23:47,193 --> 01:23:48,486 this compensatory damage verdict, 1719 01:23:48,570 --> 01:23:52,073 to try to tell this jury that he's broke when he's not. 1720 01:23:52,157 --> 01:23:53,950 The second is that he absolutely-- 1721 01:23:53,992 --> 01:23:57,245 Mr. Jones just fully testified, "We complied with discovery," 1722 01:23:57,328 --> 01:24:00,498 but we both know Mr. Jones did anything but comply 1723 01:24:00,582 --> 01:24:02,709 with discovery and did that for four years, 1724 01:24:02,792 --> 01:24:06,755 thumbing his nose in the face of this court in rank contempt. 1725 01:24:08,631 --> 01:24:09,632 Mr. Jones... 1726 01:24:12,093 --> 01:24:15,180 you may not say to this jury... 1727 01:24:16,973 --> 01:24:18,808 that you complied with discovery. 1728 01:24:20,018 --> 01:24:23,772 That is not true. You may not say it again. 1729 01:24:25,190 --> 01:24:29,152 You may not tell this jury that you are bankrupt. 1730 01:24:29,194 --> 01:24:31,529 That is also not true. 1731 01:24:32,447 --> 01:24:33,448 It seems... 1732 01:24:34,866 --> 01:24:37,702 absurd to instruct you again 1733 01:24:37,786 --> 01:24:41,414 that you must tell the truth while you testify. 1734 01:24:41,498 --> 01:24:42,374 Yet here I am. 1735 01:24:42,457 --> 01:24:45,960 You must tell the truth while you testify. 1736 01:24:46,044 --> 01:24:48,546 This is not your show. 1737 01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:52,509 Do you understand what I have said? 1738 01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:53,426 Yes or no? 1739 01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:56,388 Do you understand what I have said? 1740 01:24:56,471 --> 01:24:58,890 ALEX: Yes. I believe what I said was true. So-- 1741 01:24:58,973 --> 01:25:02,936 Yes, you believe everything you say is true, but it isn't. 1742 01:25:03,019 --> 01:25:05,522 Your beliefs do not make something true. 1743 01:25:05,563 --> 01:25:09,234 That is... That is what we're doing here. 1744 01:25:10,568 --> 01:25:12,696 You understand what I have said? 1745 01:25:12,737 --> 01:25:13,655 ALEX: I do understand. 1746 01:25:13,738 --> 01:25:16,241 You understand the instructions I have given you 1747 01:25:16,282 --> 01:25:18,076 for your testimony in court? 1748 01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:20,328 ALEX: Yes. 1749 01:25:20,412 --> 01:25:24,457 (SIGHS) I am not going to bring the jury back today. 1750 01:25:25,542 --> 01:25:27,544 All right. We'll see you tomorrow. 1751 01:25:27,585 --> 01:25:30,213 -Thank you. -COURT CLERK: All rise. 1752 01:25:33,591 --> 01:25:36,553 SCARLETT: He had been coughing a lot 1753 01:25:36,594 --> 01:25:40,223 and he had explained that his larynx was torn. 1754 01:25:40,265 --> 01:25:44,644 And I felt such tremendous compassion for him. 1755 01:25:47,522 --> 01:25:51,234 And so brought him a water and four cough drops. 1756 01:25:53,987 --> 01:25:55,947 Oh, thank you. You're very sweet. 1757 01:26:12,797 --> 01:26:14,299 I want you to know that. 1758 01:26:18,136 --> 01:26:19,262 I believe your son died, 1759 01:26:19,304 --> 01:26:20,638 and I apologize for everything that happened. 1760 01:26:20,722 --> 01:26:22,557 BANKSTON: And that he's slow and autistic. Thanks, Jones. 1761 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,352 No, I'm slow about certain things, too. I said... 1762 01:26:25,435 --> 01:26:27,103 Well, anyways, I was being honest on air. 1763 01:26:27,145 --> 01:26:28,480 And I think people have been-- 1764 01:26:28,563 --> 01:26:30,190 I think a lot of the stuff you said-- 1765 01:26:30,273 --> 01:26:32,567 have been manipulating and giving you guys stuff-- 1766 01:26:32,650 --> 01:26:33,860 BALL: That's it. We're not talking anymore. 1767 01:26:33,943 --> 01:26:36,321 You're not doing this. That's not even a thought. 1768 01:26:36,404 --> 01:26:38,531 That's not the way this goes. 1769 01:26:38,615 --> 01:26:40,825 ALEX: Why? 'Cause you can't feed 'em fake videos anymore? 1770 01:26:40,909 --> 01:26:42,786 BALL: Oh, shut your mouth. 1771 01:26:42,827 --> 01:26:44,371 ALEX: That's what you try to do is shut my mouth. 1772 01:26:44,454 --> 01:26:45,914 -You'll never succeed. -BANKSTON: Let it go. 1773 01:26:45,997 --> 01:26:48,458 -ALEX: That's okay. -BANKSTON: Don't touch me, sir. 1774 01:26:49,501 --> 01:26:51,628 Well, I think I'm autistic too, mate. 1775 01:26:53,046 --> 01:26:55,256 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -OFFICER: Stop there and stay. 1776 01:26:57,467 --> 01:26:58,843 See that? They came over to see us. 1777 01:27:10,438 --> 01:27:13,858 BANKSTON: (SIGHS) Mr. Jones, I want to know, 1778 01:27:15,235 --> 01:27:16,528 you taking this trial seriously? 1779 01:27:16,569 --> 01:27:17,946 You're approaching it in good faith? 1780 01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:21,199 -Absolutely. -BANKSTON: Okay. 1781 01:27:21,241 --> 01:27:24,536 The truth is, you and your company 1782 01:27:24,577 --> 01:27:27,622 want the world to believe 1783 01:27:27,706 --> 01:27:31,960 that this judge is rigging this court proceeding 1784 01:27:32,043 --> 01:27:34,337 to make sure that a script, 1785 01:27:35,171 --> 01:27:39,342 a literal script, is being followed. 1786 01:27:39,384 --> 01:27:41,219 That's what you want the world to believe. 1787 01:27:41,261 --> 01:27:42,595 No, I believe the jury's real. 1788 01:27:42,679 --> 01:27:43,930 BANKSTON: Okay. Your Honor, at this time, 1789 01:27:44,014 --> 01:27:46,182 we'd like to offer a clip from Infowars on Friday 1790 01:27:46,224 --> 01:27:47,726 from the purposes of impeachment 1791 01:27:47,767 --> 01:27:50,395 in which those exact words were said. 1792 01:27:50,478 --> 01:27:53,314 So that's why the judge is rigging the court proceeding, 1793 01:27:53,398 --> 01:27:55,275 to make sure that the script, 1794 01:27:55,358 --> 01:27:56,943 this is literally a script, 1795 01:27:57,027 --> 01:28:01,072 a script gets told in a certain way for future audiences. 1796 01:28:04,242 --> 01:28:05,744 That's from your show, isn't it? 1797 01:28:07,412 --> 01:28:10,540 -That's justice on fire. -BANKSTON: Oh, okay. 1798 01:28:10,582 --> 01:28:12,876 -Can I see it, please? -BANKSTON: Yes, you may, Your Honor. 1799 01:28:17,881 --> 01:28:19,007 (CHUCKLES) 1800 01:28:19,090 --> 01:28:21,217 BANKSTON: This is you taking this trial seriously 1801 01:28:21,259 --> 01:28:23,595 and in good faith? That's what this is? 1802 01:28:23,636 --> 01:28:26,931 ALEX: The judge is the fire of burning Lady Liberty. 1803 01:28:27,015 --> 01:28:28,183 It's not the judge.... 1804 01:28:28,266 --> 01:28:32,520 (STAMMERS) The judge is consuming freedom. 1805 01:28:32,604 --> 01:28:34,481 BANKSTON: I sure hope some of your viewers 1806 01:28:34,564 --> 01:28:35,732 are able to make that distinction 1807 01:28:35,774 --> 01:28:37,901 that you just split on that hair, don't you? 1808 01:28:39,569 --> 01:28:41,112 One of the things you talked about yesterday 1809 01:28:41,196 --> 01:28:42,405 is you complied with discovery, 1810 01:28:42,447 --> 01:28:43,448 you said that on the witness stand? 1811 01:28:43,531 --> 01:28:45,283 That's one of the things I talked about. 1812 01:28:45,367 --> 01:28:47,994 Okay. One of the things that you were ordered to do 1813 01:28:48,078 --> 01:28:49,954 in this lawsuit... 1814 01:28:49,996 --> 01:28:51,998 you were ordered to turn over 1815 01:28:52,082 --> 01:28:55,210 any text messages mentioning Sandy Hook, right? 1816 01:28:55,293 --> 01:28:57,837 -Yes. -And you didn't have any. Right? 1817 01:28:59,089 --> 01:29:00,423 Not that we could find. 1818 01:29:00,465 --> 01:29:03,635 And you, in fact, told me in your sworn testimony, 1819 01:29:03,718 --> 01:29:06,429 before coming to this courtroom, you searched, right? 1820 01:29:06,471 --> 01:29:07,889 -ALEX: I did. -Okay. 1821 01:29:11,476 --> 01:29:13,978 Mr. Jones, I'd like to show you what's been marked 1822 01:29:14,062 --> 01:29:15,814 as claimant's exhibit 130. 1823 01:29:19,109 --> 01:29:20,485 -That's text messages. -Yes. 1824 01:29:20,568 --> 01:29:22,237 BANKSTON: And they mention Sandy Hook, don't they? 1825 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:23,947 (SNIFFLES) Yes. 1826 01:29:25,198 --> 01:29:27,033 I've never seen this text message. 1827 01:29:27,117 --> 01:29:28,118 You guys have all this stuff, 1828 01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:29,661 and you say we didn't give anything. 1829 01:29:30,704 --> 01:29:32,956 So you did get my text messages. 1830 01:29:32,997 --> 01:29:34,874 You said you didn't. Nice trick. 1831 01:29:34,958 --> 01:29:37,836 BANKSTON: Twelve days ago, your attorneys messed up 1832 01:29:37,919 --> 01:29:41,214 and sent me an entire digital copy 1833 01:29:41,297 --> 01:29:43,216 of your entire cell phone 1834 01:29:43,299 --> 01:29:45,885 with every text message you've sent 1835 01:29:45,969 --> 01:29:47,345 for the past two years. 1836 01:29:47,429 --> 01:29:49,848 And that is how I know you lied to me 1837 01:29:49,931 --> 01:29:51,850 when you said you didn't have text messages 1838 01:29:51,891 --> 01:29:53,810 about Sandy Hook. Did you know that? 1839 01:29:53,852 --> 01:29:57,188 I-- See, I told you the truth. This is your Perry Mason moment. 1840 01:29:57,272 --> 01:29:59,816 I gave them my phone. And then-- 1841 01:29:59,858 --> 01:30:01,735 GAMBLE: Mr. Jones, you need to answer the question. 1842 01:30:01,818 --> 01:30:03,528 -No, I-- -BANKSTON: Did you know this happened? 1843 01:30:03,611 --> 01:30:04,863 No, I didn't know this happened. 1844 01:30:04,904 --> 01:30:07,532 But I mean, I told you. I gave my phone over. 1845 01:30:07,615 --> 01:30:09,325 GAMBLE: Just answer the question. 1846 01:30:09,367 --> 01:30:10,618 BANKSTON: You said in your deposition, 1847 01:30:10,702 --> 01:30:12,704 you searched your phone. 1848 01:30:13,288 --> 01:30:14,539 You were asked, 1849 01:30:14,581 --> 01:30:17,834 "Do you have Sandy Hook text messages on your phone?" 1850 01:30:17,876 --> 01:30:19,002 And you said, "No." 1851 01:30:19,044 --> 01:30:21,504 You said that under oath, Mr. Jones, didn't you? 1852 01:30:21,546 --> 01:30:23,548 I mean, if I was mistaken, I was mistaken. 1853 01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:25,508 But you've got the messages right there. 1854 01:30:25,550 --> 01:30:27,052 BANKSTON: You know what perjury is, right? 1855 01:30:27,719 --> 01:30:28,928 I just want to make sure you know 1856 01:30:29,012 --> 01:30:30,555 before we go any further. You know what it is. 1857 01:30:31,389 --> 01:30:32,390 ALEX: Yes, I do. 1858 01:30:32,474 --> 01:30:35,602 BANKSTON: But you testified, under oath, previously, 1859 01:30:35,685 --> 01:30:39,272 that you, personally, searched your phone, 1860 01:30:39,356 --> 01:30:42,567 for the phrase "Sandy Hook" and there were no messages. 1861 01:30:42,650 --> 01:30:44,569 -You said that under oath. -ALEX: Yes. 1862 01:30:44,652 --> 01:30:47,238 -And you lied when you said it. -No, I did not lie. 1863 01:30:48,740 --> 01:30:52,911 BANKSTON: Are you aware that your attorney has argued 1864 01:30:52,952 --> 01:30:56,414 this is what you should pay for the damages? 1865 01:30:56,456 --> 01:30:57,749 Do you agree with it? 1866 01:30:57,791 --> 01:31:00,085 -Do I agree with it? -A dollar. A dollar, is that... 1867 01:31:01,419 --> 01:31:02,921 We done? 1868 01:31:02,962 --> 01:31:04,673 I'll pay it for you. Are we done? 1869 01:31:04,756 --> 01:31:07,050 What does the New York Times do for lying about WMDs? 1870 01:31:07,092 --> 01:31:08,426 BANKSTON: I don't think there's any point 1871 01:31:08,468 --> 01:31:10,178 in asking you any more questions, Mr. Jones. 1872 01:31:10,261 --> 01:31:11,388 ALEX: Okay. 1873 01:31:11,429 --> 01:31:13,640 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1874 01:31:21,481 --> 01:31:22,941 BANKSTON: It couldn't have gone better. 1875 01:31:23,024 --> 01:31:25,985 This case was going to end just like it began. 1876 01:31:27,529 --> 01:31:29,280 The very first question I ever asked Jones 1877 01:31:29,364 --> 01:31:31,199 was about, "Why are you lying to me?" 1878 01:31:31,282 --> 01:31:33,451 And the very last thing I ever showed the jury was, 1879 01:31:33,493 --> 01:31:34,744 "This man's a liar." 1880 01:31:42,460 --> 01:31:44,295 GAMBLE: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 1881 01:31:44,379 --> 01:31:48,508 at this time, I will present to you the charge of the court. 1882 01:31:48,591 --> 01:31:51,302 You will go to the jury room to decide the case, 1883 01:31:51,344 --> 01:31:54,806 answer the questions that are attached, and reach a verdict. 1884 01:31:56,141 --> 01:31:59,894 Answer separately in dollars and cents for each person 1885 01:31:59,978 --> 01:32:02,564 for the damages listed below, if any. 1886 01:32:04,024 --> 01:32:05,608 COURT CLERK: All rise. 1887 01:32:05,650 --> 01:32:08,528 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1888 01:32:26,338 --> 01:32:28,465 FAN: Hello, we love you. 1889 01:32:28,506 --> 01:32:29,591 (MUTTERS) 1890 01:32:29,674 --> 01:32:31,343 You guys got any questions? 1891 01:32:31,426 --> 01:32:33,178 REPORTER 1: Just your thoughts on today. 1892 01:32:33,845 --> 01:32:36,473 Our side told the truth. 1893 01:32:36,514 --> 01:32:38,683 Their lawyers did nothing but lie. 1894 01:32:38,767 --> 01:32:41,811 But there's no deep pockets here, 1895 01:32:41,853 --> 01:32:43,104 so they're in for a rude awakening. 1896 01:32:43,188 --> 01:32:46,399 So no matter what the verdict is, I'm at peace. 1897 01:32:46,483 --> 01:32:47,901 I always try to tell the truth. 1898 01:32:47,984 --> 01:32:49,986 REPORTER 2: What did you think about the text messages? 1899 01:32:50,028 --> 01:32:51,696 God bless, guys. Appreciate you for coming. 1900 01:32:51,738 --> 01:32:54,699 FAN: We love you Love, love, love. 1901 01:32:57,369 --> 01:32:58,703 (QUIET CHATTER) 1902 01:32:58,787 --> 01:32:59,913 BANKSTON: What was that Tom Petty said, 1903 01:32:59,996 --> 01:33:01,289 "Waiting is the hardest part"? 1904 01:33:06,378 --> 01:33:09,255 The idea of him going back and starting this all over again, 1905 01:33:09,339 --> 01:33:10,507 he will. 1906 01:33:10,548 --> 01:33:12,550 That's why for a punitive damage verdict, 1907 01:33:12,592 --> 01:33:14,219 you must take enough 1908 01:33:14,260 --> 01:33:16,888 so that he can never re-enter public life. 1909 01:33:18,056 --> 01:33:19,057 Because if you do-- 1910 01:33:19,099 --> 01:33:22,435 If this isn't his exit from the American stage, 1911 01:33:22,519 --> 01:33:24,771 his story is nowhere near close to over. 1912 01:33:24,854 --> 01:33:27,565 -(SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY) -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1913 01:33:27,607 --> 01:33:32,112 (CAR HORNS HONKING) 1914 01:33:36,741 --> 01:33:39,953 (DOOR OPENS, CLOSES) 1915 01:33:40,036 --> 01:33:41,371 -Mm-hmm. -COURT CLERK: All rise. 1916 01:33:48,837 --> 01:33:50,672 GAMBLE: All right, you may be seated. 1917 01:33:52,048 --> 01:33:53,508 All right, could you hand the verdict 1918 01:33:53,591 --> 01:33:56,678 to Ms. Matusek-Steele, please. Thank you. 1919 01:33:58,555 --> 01:33:59,764 Thank you. 1920 01:34:12,736 --> 01:34:14,237 Question number one, 1921 01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,240 4,200,000 dollars. 1922 01:34:19,784 --> 01:34:21,286 Question number two, 1923 01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:24,289 20,500,000 dollars. 1924 01:34:25,623 --> 01:34:27,709 Question number three, 1925 01:34:27,792 --> 01:34:30,462 20,500,000 dollars. 1926 01:34:32,547 --> 01:34:39,471 ♪ (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1927 01:34:45,310 --> 01:34:48,146 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1928 01:34:54,819 --> 01:34:56,613 BANKSTON: It's the end of the beginning. 1929 01:34:56,654 --> 01:34:58,948 And boy, are these clients happy about it. 1930 01:34:58,990 --> 01:35:00,283 There was certainly a message 1931 01:35:00,325 --> 01:35:02,911 sent out of this courthouse today, that's for sure. 1932 01:35:02,994 --> 01:35:04,496 REPORTER: So, what's your message? 1933 01:35:04,579 --> 01:35:08,625 SCARLETT: To other parents, I wanted to represent you well. 1934 01:35:08,667 --> 01:35:11,795 I know that you have endured pain, 1935 01:35:11,836 --> 01:35:15,882 um, just like I have over the past ten years. 1936 01:35:15,965 --> 01:35:20,428 I truly do hope and believe that this will usher in 1937 01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:23,848 a new era of the importance of truth. 1938 01:35:26,935 --> 01:35:29,479 It was obviously higher than we wanted, 1939 01:35:29,521 --> 01:35:32,691 higher than I believe was supported by the evidence, 1940 01:35:32,732 --> 01:35:36,528 but it was still a manageable number. 1941 01:35:36,569 --> 01:35:39,030 You know, kept my client alive. 1942 01:35:39,114 --> 01:35:43,243 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1943 01:35:43,326 --> 01:35:46,037 REPORTER: So, it's day one of another Alex Jones 1944 01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:47,914 defamation trial here in Connecticut. 1945 01:35:47,997 --> 01:35:50,208 We're about 20 miles away from Newtown. 1946 01:35:50,250 --> 01:35:53,294 Even ten years after the Sandy Hook tragedy, 1947 01:35:53,378 --> 01:35:55,463 these Sandy Hook families and victims 1948 01:35:55,547 --> 01:35:57,424 are still facing harassment 1949 01:35:57,507 --> 01:36:02,012 because Jones spread lies and called the shooting a hoax. 1950 01:36:02,721 --> 01:36:06,141 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 1951 01:36:15,066 --> 01:36:16,943 They're coming for everybody, ladies and gentlemen. 1952 01:36:17,027 --> 01:36:18,945 "Alex Jones goes to trial for a second time 1953 01:36:19,029 --> 01:36:20,572 in Sandy Hook hoax case." 1954 01:36:21,406 --> 01:36:22,407 But I'll tell you this, 1955 01:36:22,449 --> 01:36:24,993 we can stay on air through everything they're doing 1956 01:36:25,076 --> 01:36:26,661 if we keep fighting and don't give up. 1957 01:36:26,745 --> 01:36:28,872 But it takes massive money. 1958 01:36:28,913 --> 01:36:30,582 Don't go through everything you've done 1959 01:36:30,665 --> 01:36:33,835 supporting this broadcast and then give up at the end. 1960 01:36:33,918 --> 01:36:36,588 Now is the most critical time ever 1961 01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:40,008 to support infowarsstore.com. 1962 01:36:42,302 --> 01:36:44,554 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1963 01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:51,144 -Morning. -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) 1964 01:36:52,270 --> 01:36:54,689 Each of you was chosen to be here today 1965 01:36:54,773 --> 01:36:56,816 to compensate them for their grief. 1966 01:36:56,900 --> 01:37:00,445 And you're being asked to make an example of Alex. 1967 01:37:01,112 --> 01:37:03,156 Money is their weapon of choice. 1968 01:37:04,366 --> 01:37:05,617 Money is their weapon. 1969 01:37:06,743 --> 01:37:07,952 Disarm them. 1970 01:37:09,079 --> 01:37:11,081 First, they came for Alex Jones. 1971 01:37:11,873 --> 01:37:12,957 Who's next? 1972 01:37:12,999 --> 01:37:15,752 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1973 01:37:15,794 --> 01:37:17,253 My name is David Wheeler. 1974 01:37:17,295 --> 01:37:20,715 Last name spelled W-H-E-E-L-E-R. 1975 01:37:20,799 --> 01:37:23,426 -Francine Wheeler. -Erica Lafferty. 1976 01:37:23,468 --> 01:37:25,220 My name is Nicole Hockley. 1977 01:37:25,303 --> 01:37:26,179 I do. 1978 01:37:26,262 --> 01:37:27,972 MATTEI: Our families will take the stand 1979 01:37:28,056 --> 01:37:29,307 and they will testify. 1980 01:37:29,849 --> 01:37:31,142 It took a lot of courage 1981 01:37:31,226 --> 01:37:33,269 to start this case in the first place, 1982 01:37:33,311 --> 01:37:36,773 knowing that they would expose themselves to even more abuse. 1983 01:37:36,815 --> 01:37:38,900 JOSH KOSKOFF: Are you the father 1984 01:37:38,983 --> 01:37:40,443 -of Benjamin Wheeler? -Yes. 1985 01:37:40,485 --> 01:37:42,654 KOSKOFF: And did Benjamin Wheeler die in the Sandy Hook shooting? 1986 01:37:42,696 --> 01:37:43,780 DAVID WHEELER: Yes. 1987 01:37:43,822 --> 01:37:44,989 Just after the two-year anniversary, 1988 01:37:45,031 --> 01:37:46,491 I was on my way to a birthday party 1989 01:37:46,533 --> 01:37:47,367 and I was at a gas station 1990 01:37:47,450 --> 01:37:49,994 and somebody just walked out and pointed 1991 01:37:50,036 --> 01:37:52,455 and was like, "You're part of that Sandy Hook hoax." 1992 01:37:52,497 --> 01:37:55,917 And they said, "Look, see, she's an actor." 1993 01:37:57,210 --> 01:38:00,338 People were, you know, accusing me of lying, 1994 01:38:01,006 --> 01:38:02,340 telling me Ben never lived, 1995 01:38:03,383 --> 01:38:06,386 uh, telling me that I was going to burn in hell, 1996 01:38:06,469 --> 01:38:08,513 and that I would pay for what I had done. 1997 01:38:08,555 --> 01:38:10,432 You know, things would be mailed to my house. 1998 01:38:10,515 --> 01:38:12,392 There were, you know, 1999 01:38:14,019 --> 01:38:18,189 threats of rape and... 2000 01:38:18,231 --> 01:38:20,025 KOSKOFF: You were receiving threats from people 2001 01:38:20,066 --> 01:38:21,526 saying they were going to rape you? 2002 01:38:21,568 --> 01:38:22,694 Correct. 2003 01:38:22,736 --> 01:38:25,822 Someone came to the house. This person demanded to see Ben. 2004 01:38:25,864 --> 01:38:27,657 "I know he's here. I know he's alive." 2005 01:38:31,036 --> 01:38:32,537 KOSKOFF: Is this still happening to you? 2006 01:38:33,580 --> 01:38:34,998 Yes. 2007 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,043 You know, it makes you feel like you don't matter. 2008 01:38:38,084 --> 01:38:39,711 You know, it makes you feel like what you went through 2009 01:38:39,753 --> 01:38:41,212 doesn't matter. 2010 01:38:41,254 --> 01:38:46,718 Jacqueline Barden, B-A-R-D-E-N. Daniel was our baby, 2011 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,054 but yet, he was so compassionate. 2012 01:38:49,095 --> 01:38:53,224 KOSKOFF: Did you and Mark get threatening letters? 2013 01:38:53,266 --> 01:38:56,019 JACQUELINE BARDEN: Yeah. One-- I remember one saying 2014 01:38:56,061 --> 01:38:57,896 that they were at Daniel's grave, 2015 01:38:57,937 --> 01:38:59,314 and they had peed on his grave 2016 01:38:59,397 --> 01:39:01,066 because they didn't think anybody, you know, 2017 01:39:01,149 --> 01:39:03,485 they didn't believe that Daniel was buried. 2018 01:39:04,527 --> 01:39:05,945 And another letter-- 2019 01:39:06,029 --> 01:39:07,238 KOSKOFF: These letters came to your home? 2020 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,490 -What's that? -KOSKOFF: These letters 2021 01:39:08,573 --> 01:39:11,117 -came to your home? -Yeah. And then another letter 2022 01:39:11,201 --> 01:39:12,952 was that they were gonna... 2023 01:39:13,036 --> 01:39:15,747 they were gonna dig Daniel's grave up, 2024 01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:17,665 because he wasn't there, to prove it. 2025 01:39:19,084 --> 01:39:20,919 My name is Mark Barden. 2026 01:39:21,002 --> 01:39:22,921 That was a very typical moment. 2027 01:39:22,962 --> 01:39:25,340 He was a very affectionate little boy. 2028 01:39:26,883 --> 01:39:28,843 It was grueling. It was excruciating, 2029 01:39:28,885 --> 01:39:31,930 mostly because we had to re-expose ourselves 2030 01:39:32,013 --> 01:39:34,641 to the very thing that we were trying to stop. 2031 01:39:34,724 --> 01:39:39,270 To stand there in the austerity 2032 01:39:39,312 --> 01:39:43,400 of a court of law and to expose all of that. 2033 01:39:43,441 --> 01:39:47,195 It's about the most vulnerable one can feel. 2034 01:39:47,278 --> 01:39:49,489 So, it's a whole lot. 2035 01:39:49,572 --> 01:39:52,117 It's a whole lot of everything all at once. 2036 01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,955 Daniel's grave, um, this is so sacrosanct 2037 01:39:56,996 --> 01:40:01,459 and hallowed a place for my family, 2038 01:40:01,501 --> 01:40:04,504 and to hear that people were desecrating it 2039 01:40:04,587 --> 01:40:07,382 and urinating on it and threatening to dig it up... 2040 01:40:09,384 --> 01:40:11,970 I-- I don't know how to articulate to you 2041 01:40:12,012 --> 01:40:13,596 what that feels like, but that's where we are. 2042 01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:17,350 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2043 01:40:19,269 --> 01:40:22,480 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 2044 01:40:28,528 --> 01:40:29,696 ALEX: Hello everybody. 2045 01:40:29,779 --> 01:40:33,324 I'm here for the four-year planned show trial... 2046 01:40:33,408 --> 01:40:36,578 MATTEI: Alex Jones. He's under subpoena to be here. 2047 01:40:36,661 --> 01:40:38,788 So, you know, there's real consequences for him 2048 01:40:38,830 --> 01:40:39,998 if he doesn't show. 2049 01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,000 ALEX: They're using these families as pawns. 2050 01:40:42,083 --> 01:40:44,502 I have questioned hundreds of major events, 2051 01:40:44,586 --> 01:40:46,463 and I've always done it from a good place. 2052 01:40:46,504 --> 01:40:48,048 That's why I have a giant audience 2053 01:40:48,131 --> 01:40:49,507 of millions and millions of loyal listeners, 2054 01:40:49,591 --> 01:40:52,469 because they know, unlike the corporate controlled media, 2055 01:40:52,552 --> 01:40:53,887 I try to tell the truth. 2056 01:40:53,970 --> 01:40:55,638 These people lie on purpose. 2057 01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,850 That's a big difference. I've made mistakes by accident. 2058 01:40:58,892 --> 01:41:00,185 They're lying on purpose, 2059 01:41:00,268 --> 01:41:02,312 and they've misrepresented everything I've said and done. 2060 01:41:02,354 --> 01:41:05,357 Find the real Alex Jones at infowars.com. 2061 01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:07,150 And we have the number one book in the world, 2062 01:41:07,192 --> 01:41:09,069 The Great Reset: And the War for the World, 2063 01:41:09,152 --> 01:41:11,905 that exposes the globalists, Klaus Schwab, the WEF, 2064 01:41:11,988 --> 01:41:13,365 and the New World Order. 2065 01:41:13,406 --> 01:41:15,075 And that's why they're coming after me, trying to silence me, 2066 01:41:15,158 --> 01:41:16,659 because liberty and freedom is popular, 2067 01:41:16,701 --> 01:41:19,371 and they will not silence me, and we will not be stopped, 2068 01:41:19,412 --> 01:41:21,206 and America will prevail peacefully 2069 01:41:21,289 --> 01:41:22,665 with justice and liberty. 2070 01:41:22,707 --> 01:41:26,795 The answer to the 1984 tyranny is 1776. Thank you very much. 2071 01:41:26,878 --> 01:41:30,715 (REPORTERS CHATTERING) 2072 01:41:33,677 --> 01:41:36,388 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 2073 01:41:41,142 --> 01:41:42,352 ALISSA: I didn't know how I would react 2074 01:41:42,394 --> 01:41:44,145 when I saw him in person. 2075 01:41:44,813 --> 01:41:47,232 You know, in Texas he was on, 2076 01:41:47,315 --> 01:41:49,901 "I'm a good guy, I'm your friend," 2077 01:41:49,984 --> 01:41:52,779 and that tone was completely different in Connecticut. 2078 01:41:52,862 --> 01:41:54,989 He was angry. 2079 01:41:55,073 --> 01:41:58,118 He looked pissed. 2080 01:41:58,201 --> 01:42:01,496 Like, "I don't want to be here, I shouldn't be here." 2081 01:42:03,581 --> 01:42:06,251 He wouldn't even look at us in Connecticut. 2082 01:42:06,334 --> 01:42:07,836 He wouldn't acknowledge us. 2083 01:42:07,877 --> 01:42:10,088 It was like we didn't even exist. 2084 01:42:10,171 --> 01:42:12,966 He didn't want to say like, "Hey, I'm sorry," 2085 01:42:13,049 --> 01:42:15,719 'cause he wasn't. He wasn't sorry. 2086 01:42:20,890 --> 01:42:22,350 There's a part of you that... 2087 01:42:23,268 --> 01:42:30,233 wants him to feel what you feel. 2088 01:42:30,275 --> 01:42:34,654 See what he has caused. You want some moment... 2089 01:42:35,613 --> 01:42:38,575 of connecting with this abuser... 2090 01:42:40,452 --> 01:42:45,248 where he can just have an inkling of respect for you, 2091 01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:47,625 or a moment of reflection. 2092 01:42:51,629 --> 01:42:53,465 And he wasn't going to give us that. 2093 01:42:54,507 --> 01:42:56,301 MATTEI: The lie you spread... 2094 01:42:57,802 --> 01:42:59,804 for years and years 2095 01:42:59,888 --> 01:43:03,850 was that the families behind me were actors, correct? 2096 01:43:05,143 --> 01:43:06,561 -I can't answer-- -MATTEI: That's a yes or no. 2097 01:43:06,644 --> 01:43:09,189 -NORM PATTIS: No, objection. -(STAMMERS) It's too complex-- 2098 01:43:09,272 --> 01:43:11,608 -Sorry. -PATTIS: Motion in limine. 2099 01:43:11,649 --> 01:43:14,569 MATTEI: Mr. Jones, for years and years and years, 2100 01:43:14,652 --> 01:43:17,530 you acknowledge that among the things that you said 2101 01:43:17,614 --> 01:43:19,240 about Sandy Hook was that it was fake? 2102 01:43:19,324 --> 01:43:20,450 -Yes? -Yes. 2103 01:43:20,492 --> 01:43:22,994 -MATTEI: Synthetic? -Yes. 2104 01:43:23,036 --> 01:43:25,038 -MATTEI: Manufactured? -Yes. 2105 01:43:25,121 --> 01:43:27,415 -MATTEI: With actors? -Yes. 2106 01:43:27,499 --> 01:43:29,626 -MATTEI: Total hoax? -Yes. 2107 01:43:29,668 --> 01:43:34,631 MATTEI: You acknowledge that, repeatedly, you mocked parents? 2108 01:43:34,714 --> 01:43:36,341 I'm-- no, not parents. 2109 01:43:36,424 --> 01:43:38,677 I said Robbie Parker looked fake to me. 2110 01:43:38,718 --> 01:43:40,178 ROBBIE: He carries a presence with him. 2111 01:43:40,261 --> 01:43:42,639 There's an energy with him, and it draws people, 2112 01:43:42,681 --> 01:43:45,475 even people who are disgusted by him, as I am. 2113 01:43:45,517 --> 01:43:47,977 You still can't take your eyes off of him, right? 2114 01:43:48,019 --> 01:43:49,145 You can't help but follow him around, 2115 01:43:49,187 --> 01:43:50,271 and I hate to admit that. 2116 01:43:50,355 --> 01:43:51,815 MATTEI: Robbie Parker's sitting right here. 2117 01:43:51,856 --> 01:43:55,276 And for years, you put a target on his back, didn't you? 2118 01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,153 PATTIS: Objection to the form of that, judge. 2119 01:43:57,195 --> 01:43:58,196 BARBARA BELLIS: Overruled. 2120 01:43:58,279 --> 01:43:59,781 MATTEI: You put a target on his back, 2121 01:43:59,864 --> 01:44:02,200 just like you did every single parent 2122 01:44:02,283 --> 01:44:03,410 and loved one sitting here, didn't you? 2123 01:44:03,493 --> 01:44:04,744 -PATTIS: Objection, judge. -ALEX: No, I didn't. 2124 01:44:04,828 --> 01:44:06,454 -MATTEI: No, you didn't? -PATTIS: That's argumentative. 2125 01:44:06,538 --> 01:44:09,416 -There's no-- It's speculative. -BELLIS: Let's move on. 2126 01:44:09,499 --> 01:44:10,875 MATTEI: These are real people. You know that, Mr. Jones? 2127 01:44:10,959 --> 01:44:12,836 PATTIS: Objection. I think you just told him to move on. 2128 01:44:12,877 --> 01:44:16,256 ALEX: Just like all the Iraqis you liberals kill and love. 2129 01:44:17,048 --> 01:44:18,925 You're just-- you're unbelievable. 2130 01:44:19,009 --> 01:44:21,636 You switch on emotions on and off when you want. 2131 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:23,722 You're-- It's just ambulance-chasing. 2132 01:44:26,808 --> 01:44:28,393 MATTEI: Why don't you show a little respect, Mr. Jones? 2133 01:44:28,435 --> 01:44:29,602 PATTIS: Objection, judge. 2134 01:44:29,686 --> 01:44:31,730 I think you get what you give in this courtroom. 2135 01:44:32,188 --> 01:44:33,523 Objection. 2136 01:44:33,565 --> 01:44:36,067 MATTEI: You have families in this courtroom here 2137 01:44:36,151 --> 01:44:39,738 that lost children, sisters, wives, 2138 01:44:41,698 --> 01:44:42,699 moms. 2139 01:44:43,742 --> 01:44:45,744 Is this a struggle session? Are we in China? 2140 01:44:47,579 --> 01:44:49,289 I've already said I'm sorry hundreds of times, 2141 01:44:49,372 --> 01:44:51,082 and I'm done saying I'm sorry. 2142 01:44:51,124 --> 01:44:52,167 I didn't progenerate this. 2143 01:44:52,250 --> 01:44:53,585 I wasn't the first person to say it. 2144 01:44:53,626 --> 01:44:55,795 American gun owners didn't like being blamed for this 2145 01:44:55,879 --> 01:44:58,381 as the Left did, so we rejected it mentally 2146 01:44:58,423 --> 01:44:59,674 and said it must not be true. 2147 01:44:59,758 --> 01:45:01,760 But I legitimately thought it might have been staged, 2148 01:45:01,801 --> 01:45:03,428 and I stand by that, and I don't apologize for it. 2149 01:45:03,511 --> 01:45:05,722 MATTEI: And don't apologize, Mr. Jones. 2150 01:45:05,805 --> 01:45:06,681 Please, don't apologize. 2151 01:45:06,765 --> 01:45:07,932 No, I've already apologized to the parents 2152 01:45:08,016 --> 01:45:09,559 -over and over again. -MATTEI: Because we know-- 2153 01:45:09,601 --> 01:45:11,144 -I don't apologize to you. -PATTIS: Objection. Objection. 2154 01:45:11,227 --> 01:45:12,270 I don't apologize to you. 2155 01:45:12,354 --> 01:45:13,521 MATTEI: You're gonna do it again, aren't you? 2156 01:45:13,605 --> 01:45:15,190 -PATTIS: Objection, Judge. -MATTEI: Aren't you? 2157 01:45:15,273 --> 01:45:16,399 -No, I'm not. -MATTEI: You're not? 2158 01:45:16,441 --> 01:45:17,817 PATTIS: Objection. Objection. Argumentative. 2159 01:45:17,901 --> 01:45:18,902 I don't apologize to you. 2160 01:45:20,862 --> 01:45:23,323 This is your homepage, right? Infowars.com? 2161 01:45:23,406 --> 01:45:24,616 -ALEX: Yes. -MATTEI: Three weeks ago. 2162 01:45:24,699 --> 01:45:26,076 A little bit bigger, please. 2163 01:45:26,117 --> 01:45:27,535 Just the part with the survey there. 2164 01:45:28,203 --> 01:45:30,789 And you're asking your audience, 2165 01:45:30,830 --> 01:45:34,959 "What will be the most likely deep state false flag 2166 01:45:35,001 --> 01:45:37,587 -ahead of the midterms," right? -ALEX: Yes. 2167 01:45:37,629 --> 01:45:38,963 MATTEI: What's the first option? 2168 01:45:40,423 --> 01:45:42,092 Mass shooting, but I didn't write the poll. 2169 01:45:42,133 --> 01:45:43,468 MATTEI: Excuse me, sir. Mass shooting? 2170 01:45:43,551 --> 01:45:44,552 Yes. 2171 01:45:44,636 --> 01:45:47,305 And you're inviting your audience, even now, 2172 01:45:47,347 --> 01:45:51,309 even after all this, to suspect 2173 01:45:51,351 --> 01:45:54,354 that the next people, the next Robbie Parker, 2174 01:45:54,437 --> 01:45:56,481 the next family are actors, too. 2175 01:45:56,523 --> 01:45:58,316 -PATTIS: Objection, argumentative. -No. 2176 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,151 -BELLIS: Overruled. -I'm done, Your Honor. 2177 01:46:01,152 --> 01:46:02,487 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2178 01:46:02,529 --> 01:46:04,489 MATTEI: What I ultimately wanted to do 2179 01:46:05,323 --> 01:46:07,826 was to get the jury to see 2180 01:46:07,867 --> 01:46:12,789 just how dangerous this man is likely to be in the future. 2181 01:46:15,166 --> 01:46:16,876 This is gonna happen again, 2182 01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:18,962 and he knows what he's gonna say. 2183 01:46:22,257 --> 01:46:24,551 You know, what you want is the truth 2184 01:46:24,634 --> 01:46:27,679 of, like, the rottenness at his core to be revealed. 2185 01:46:27,762 --> 01:46:29,848 Uh, you get a lot of that through the videos, 2186 01:46:29,931 --> 01:46:33,810 but until you see him in court do his thing, 2187 01:46:34,853 --> 01:46:35,895 it's different. 2188 01:46:37,605 --> 01:46:40,025 You got parents laughing, going "Ha ha ha! Watch this!" 2189 01:46:40,108 --> 01:46:41,276 and then going... (FAKE SOBS) 2190 01:46:41,359 --> 01:46:43,611 Method acting, going... (FAKE SOBS) 2191 01:46:43,695 --> 01:46:46,489 (WHIMPERING) "Oh, my child!" 2192 01:46:46,531 --> 01:46:48,700 I mean, it's just ridiculous. 2193 01:46:48,783 --> 01:46:50,368 MATTEI: Is that what you did, Mr. Parker? 2194 01:46:50,452 --> 01:46:52,120 The fake crying, the method acting? 2195 01:46:52,203 --> 01:46:53,288 ROBBIE: No. 2196 01:46:53,371 --> 01:46:54,706 MATTEI: This is a few months later. 2197 01:46:54,748 --> 01:46:57,625 And then you've got parents laughing, going, "Ha ha ha," 2198 01:46:57,709 --> 01:46:59,377 and then they walk over to the camera and go... 2199 01:46:59,419 --> 01:47:00,628 (FAKE CRIES) 2200 01:47:01,671 --> 01:47:03,631 MATTEI: That was September 2014. 2201 01:47:03,715 --> 01:47:06,092 Mr. Parker, your family's still deluged 2202 01:47:06,176 --> 01:47:07,677 with the threats and harassment? 2203 01:47:08,553 --> 01:47:10,096 They would come in these waves. 2204 01:47:10,180 --> 01:47:13,308 And it was almost like I knew when Alex Jones said something, 2205 01:47:13,391 --> 01:47:17,395 because we would get a huge wave of stuff, 2206 01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,814 more and more and more attacks. 2207 01:47:19,898 --> 01:47:23,443 I started to hate that-- that video. 2208 01:47:23,526 --> 01:47:25,862 MATTEI: That video, you mean the video of yourself? 2209 01:47:25,904 --> 01:47:26,905 Exactly. 2210 01:47:26,988 --> 01:47:30,533 MATTEI: Exhibit 20A, December 27th, 2014. 2211 01:47:30,575 --> 01:47:33,453 And then the parents laughing, and then one second later, 2212 01:47:33,536 --> 01:47:35,538 doing the actor breathing to cry. 2213 01:47:35,580 --> 01:47:38,166 I mean, it's just-- it's just over the top. 2214 01:47:38,249 --> 01:47:41,586 -MATTEI: 2015 now. -ROB DEW: Stinks to high heaven. 2215 01:47:41,670 --> 01:47:43,630 You got the actor father who comes out, 2216 01:47:43,713 --> 01:47:44,756 gets into character. 2217 01:47:44,839 --> 01:47:47,759 MATTEI: On November 18th, 2016. 2218 01:47:47,801 --> 01:47:49,219 ALEX: Then we see footage 2219 01:47:49,260 --> 01:47:53,181 of one of the reported fathers of the victims, Robbie Parker, 2220 01:47:53,264 --> 01:47:56,267 doing classic acting training, 2221 01:47:56,351 --> 01:47:59,104 where he's laughing and joking, and they say, "Hey, we're live," 2222 01:47:59,187 --> 01:48:00,271 and he goes, "Oh." 2223 01:48:00,313 --> 01:48:01,940 (BREATHES HEAVILY, SOBS) 2224 01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:05,652 I already felt like I failed Emilie as a dad 2225 01:48:05,735 --> 01:48:06,945 when she was alive. 2226 01:48:09,447 --> 01:48:10,740 Because I... 2227 01:48:11,491 --> 01:48:12,992 because we sent her to school. 2228 01:48:14,911 --> 01:48:17,664 And I was especially starting to feel like I was failing her 2229 01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:20,667 in her death, 2230 01:48:20,750 --> 01:48:22,836 because of what people were saying about her. 2231 01:48:25,839 --> 01:48:29,676 And what they were saying about me trying to remember her. 2232 01:48:29,759 --> 01:48:31,678 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2233 01:48:31,761 --> 01:48:34,639 ROBBIE: The most powerful thing for me about doing that was 2234 01:48:34,723 --> 01:48:37,684 that I finally got to put my voice out there. 2235 01:48:38,143 --> 01:48:39,144 And I got to... 2236 01:48:40,311 --> 01:48:43,690 I got to put my experience out there 2237 01:48:43,773 --> 01:48:45,650 in a way that actually really mattered. 2238 01:48:47,152 --> 01:48:49,446 Like, take that press conference that I gave. 2239 01:48:49,487 --> 01:48:51,281 He had taken it from me. 2240 01:48:51,322 --> 01:48:54,492 He defiled it. He literally just 2241 01:48:54,576 --> 01:48:56,828 shit all over one of the most important things 2242 01:48:56,911 --> 01:48:58,955 I feel like I've ever done in my life. 2243 01:48:58,997 --> 01:49:01,166 And so to be given an opportunity to, like, 2244 01:49:01,249 --> 01:49:04,044 take that back, that's the most precious thing 2245 01:49:04,127 --> 01:49:05,670 I think I can take away from this trial. 2246 01:49:05,712 --> 01:49:09,049 So, I trust that the jury has been fantastic, 2247 01:49:09,132 --> 01:49:11,843 and they've been very attentive, and they're gonna do 2248 01:49:12,385 --> 01:49:13,386 what they feel is best, 2249 01:49:13,470 --> 01:49:15,055 and I'm happy with whatever that is. 2250 01:49:15,138 --> 01:49:17,557 But I've got what I need out of this already. 2251 01:49:19,684 --> 01:49:22,187 BELLIS: So, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 2252 01:49:22,270 --> 01:49:26,524 here you are tasked with addressing the issue of damages, 2253 01:49:26,608 --> 01:49:29,235 as the court previously determined 2254 01:49:29,319 --> 01:49:31,154 that the defendants are liable. 2255 01:49:31,196 --> 01:49:35,241 It is for you alone to decide on the amount of damages 2256 01:49:35,325 --> 01:49:36,785 in this case. 2257 01:49:36,868 --> 01:49:39,204 MATTEI: The verdict needs to reflect 2258 01:49:39,287 --> 01:49:43,917 the kind of exponential harm that lies can now have. 2259 01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,712 And I don't think Alex Jones has ever really appreciated that. 2260 01:49:47,796 --> 01:49:52,550 And people like him, and him, need to appreciate that. 2261 01:49:52,592 --> 01:49:54,094 And the only way to make them appreciate it, 2262 01:49:54,177 --> 01:49:59,349 I think, is to hang a big verdict around their head. 2263 01:49:59,391 --> 01:50:03,061 -♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 2264 01:50:03,103 --> 01:50:05,480 ALEX: They're about to announce the verdict. 2265 01:50:05,563 --> 01:50:06,648 Let's go to the audio 2266 01:50:06,731 --> 01:50:08,900 of the biggest show trial in U.S. history. 2267 01:50:10,151 --> 01:50:12,487 (INAUDIBLE) 2268 01:50:12,570 --> 01:50:14,197 ALEX: The judge looks pleased. 2269 01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:17,701 Probably 200 million dollars. (CHUCKLES) 2270 01:50:17,742 --> 01:50:19,953 I don't have any money, so it's all a big joke. 2271 01:50:20,912 --> 01:50:23,748 This is their trial. This is them on trial. 2272 01:50:23,790 --> 01:50:25,709 This is ambulance-chasing on steroids. 2273 01:50:27,711 --> 01:50:30,380 Come on, crucify me. Let's get it going. 2274 01:50:30,422 --> 01:50:33,758 Saveinfowars.com, infowarsstore.com. 2275 01:50:33,842 --> 01:50:36,094 JUROR: To plaintiff Robbie Parker. 2276 01:50:36,136 --> 01:50:41,391 A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, 2277 01:50:41,433 --> 01:50:42,851 60 million dollars. 2278 01:50:42,934 --> 01:50:45,687 -Yeah! -JUROR: B, emotional distress damages... 2279 01:50:45,770 --> 01:50:47,439 -Whoo! -...past and future, 2280 01:50:47,480 --> 01:50:49,441 60 million dollars. 2281 01:50:49,524 --> 01:50:52,110 Total fair, just, and reasonable damages 2282 01:50:52,152 --> 01:50:56,281 to plaintiff Robert Parker and against Alex Jones 2283 01:50:56,364 --> 01:50:59,951 and Free Speech Systems, under line A and line B, 2284 01:50:59,993 --> 01:51:02,704 total 120 million dollars. 2285 01:51:07,834 --> 01:51:09,878 ROBBIE: I didn't know how to feel, 2286 01:51:09,961 --> 01:51:14,716 except for just like this big sense of like relief. 2287 01:51:14,799 --> 01:51:16,801 And then that sense of validation came through. 2288 01:51:16,843 --> 01:51:18,345 And then that sense of, like... 2289 01:51:20,347 --> 01:51:21,264 like you're seen, 2290 01:51:21,306 --> 01:51:25,310 and you're understood, and you're loved, and... 2291 01:51:26,728 --> 01:51:29,314 And I-- I could feel it from everywhere. 2292 01:51:29,356 --> 01:51:30,982 And it was really overwhelming. 2293 01:51:33,860 --> 01:51:36,696 ♪ (SOFT TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2294 01:51:42,911 --> 01:51:45,121 JUROR: To plaintiff David Wheeler, 2295 01:51:45,163 --> 01:51:47,040 55 million dollars. 2296 01:51:47,123 --> 01:51:50,502 Yeah! Whoo! 2297 01:51:50,585 --> 01:51:52,504 JUROR: To plaintiff Francine Wheeler, 2298 01:51:52,587 --> 01:51:54,798 total 54 million dollars. 2299 01:51:54,839 --> 01:51:56,841 To plaintiff Jacqueline Barden, 2300 01:51:56,883 --> 01:51:59,344 28,800,000 dollars. 2301 01:52:00,595 --> 01:52:01,971 Bravo. 2302 01:52:02,013 --> 01:52:04,432 JUROR: To plaintiff Mark Barden, 2303 01:52:04,516 --> 01:52:07,852 57,600,000 dollars. 2304 01:52:07,894 --> 01:52:09,771 ROBBIE: Nine hundred sixty-five million 2305 01:52:09,854 --> 01:52:11,564 is what it was. 2306 01:52:11,648 --> 01:52:15,068 And, um, I just remember thinking, like, 2307 01:52:15,151 --> 01:52:17,696 "There's no way that Alex Jones 2308 01:52:17,737 --> 01:52:20,657 is going to be able to sell enough supplements 2309 01:52:20,699 --> 01:52:22,033 to be able to pay that off." 2310 01:52:22,117 --> 01:52:25,203 Guess what? We're not scared, and we're not going away. 2311 01:52:25,245 --> 01:52:28,164 So, please, go to infowarsstore.com 2312 01:52:28,206 --> 01:52:31,668 and get Vitamin Mineral Fusion, get X3. 2313 01:52:31,710 --> 01:52:33,420 Flood us with donations. 2314 01:52:33,503 --> 01:52:37,048 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 2315 01:52:41,678 --> 01:52:46,349 Today, a jury representing our community 2316 01:52:46,391 --> 01:52:49,185 and our nation rendered a historic verdict, 2317 01:52:49,227 --> 01:52:51,688 a verdict against Alex Jones's lies 2318 01:52:51,730 --> 01:52:53,356 and their poisonous spread. 2319 01:52:54,607 --> 01:52:58,778 This jury bore witness to Alex Jones's ten-year attack, 2320 01:52:58,862 --> 01:53:01,114 an attack that made him very rich, 2321 01:53:01,197 --> 01:53:03,742 an attack that targeted these families 2322 01:53:03,825 --> 01:53:07,245 with the lie that they were frauds. 2323 01:53:07,328 --> 01:53:11,875 And all for Alex Jones's personal profit. 2324 01:53:11,916 --> 01:53:14,461 All Alex Jones does is take from you, 2325 01:53:14,544 --> 01:53:16,588 exploit you, lie to you, 2326 01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:18,590 feed your fears 2327 01:53:18,673 --> 01:53:20,800 and your anxieties and your mistrust, 2328 01:53:20,884 --> 01:53:22,802 and the only person that benefits 2329 01:53:22,886 --> 01:53:24,679 in that equation is him. 2330 01:53:24,763 --> 01:53:27,766 Well, that stops. That's stopping today, 2331 01:53:27,807 --> 01:53:29,809 thanks to the courage of these families. 2332 01:53:29,893 --> 01:53:31,102 Thank you very much. 2333 01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:36,316 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2334 01:53:41,112 --> 01:53:44,324 MATTEI: It's the biggest verdict in a defamation case 2335 01:53:44,407 --> 01:53:45,909 in United States history. 2336 01:53:46,659 --> 01:53:48,119 The reason that it's so big 2337 01:53:48,161 --> 01:53:50,997 is because there has never been technology 2338 01:53:51,081 --> 01:53:54,376 capable of spreading a lie so fast 2339 01:53:54,459 --> 01:53:56,920 and causing so much damage as we have now. 2340 01:53:58,296 --> 01:54:00,090 I think a really insidious problem 2341 01:54:00,131 --> 01:54:02,676 that we're just as a society figuring out how to deal with, 2342 01:54:02,759 --> 01:54:04,386 and these cases are one way. 2343 01:54:04,469 --> 01:54:05,970 They're not the only way, 2344 01:54:06,054 --> 01:54:08,223 but I think they're going to end up being an important way. 2345 01:54:08,306 --> 01:54:10,183 And we have the families to thank for that. 2346 01:54:12,977 --> 01:54:15,063 BANKSTON: Why are people willing to believe 2347 01:54:15,146 --> 01:54:17,232 invented, manufactured lies 2348 01:54:17,315 --> 01:54:19,150 that can be shut down in a second, 2349 01:54:19,234 --> 01:54:22,028 that can be debunked with the simplest of actions? 2350 01:54:22,112 --> 01:54:24,531 Why? Why are they so thirsty for it? 2351 01:54:24,614 --> 01:54:27,492 Why are they ingesting it? Why are they believing it? 2352 01:54:27,534 --> 01:54:31,454 That question goes far beyond what happened in this case, 2353 01:54:31,496 --> 01:54:32,664 because I can guarantee you, 2354 01:54:32,706 --> 01:54:35,166 we can solve the Alex Jones problem, 2355 01:54:35,208 --> 01:54:37,627 but we will not solve the greater problem 2356 01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:40,130 that allowed Alex Jones to flourish. 2357 01:54:40,171 --> 01:54:43,174 And Spiderman defeated the Goblin, 2358 01:54:43,216 --> 01:54:47,721 and the Goblin fighting back was still alive... 2359 01:54:47,804 --> 01:54:49,597 VERONIQUE: This was his backpack. 2360 01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:52,642 He always had, um, stuffed animals. 2361 01:54:55,103 --> 01:54:57,814 First grade homework packet, 2362 01:54:57,856 --> 01:55:00,025 that's what he should've brought home that day, 2363 01:55:01,359 --> 01:55:02,402 and didn't get to. 2364 01:55:05,447 --> 01:55:10,076 This is the jacket he wore on that fateful day. 2365 01:55:12,078 --> 01:55:16,583 It's just a... a way to link with him. 2366 01:55:20,628 --> 01:55:23,214 Noah, he was cheated. 2367 01:55:24,924 --> 01:55:26,676 He was cheated of life. 2368 01:55:27,886 --> 01:55:29,596 And he was cheated afterwards... 2369 01:55:32,015 --> 01:55:33,558 of honoring that life... 2370 01:55:35,935 --> 01:55:38,146 by people who purported that... 2371 01:55:39,564 --> 01:55:43,026 you know, they were bringing "the truth" to light. 2372 01:55:43,068 --> 01:55:44,527 When, in fact, what they were doing 2373 01:55:44,569 --> 01:55:46,780 was desecrating his memory. 2374 01:55:46,863 --> 01:55:49,949 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2375 01:56:20,772 --> 01:56:23,983 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 2376 01:56:44,796 --> 01:56:46,840 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 2377 01:56:46,923 --> 01:56:50,135 ♪ (TENSE STRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2378 01:57:22,250 --> 01:57:24,502 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 176743

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