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- The San Francisco police
are asking for help tonight
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in their search
for a man who placed
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a newspaper advertisement
to sell his 1980 Honda.
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The car hasn't been seen
since then,
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nor has the owner, Paul Cosner.
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- Paul Cosner disappeared
seven months ago
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without a trace, a case that
attracted nationwide attention
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because it was so baffling.
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- Paul's sister Sharon
says the last time
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she spoke to her brother,
he was going out
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to sell that car.
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- Now the first break
in the case.
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San Francisco police say
they found Cosner's car.
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- Tonight police are saying
the man they found
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with Cosner's car
is Leonard Lake.
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- Police encountered Lake
at a South San Francisco
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lumber company after
his companion, Charles Ng,
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allegedly tried
to steal a vise.
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- Lake killed himself
earlier this week
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by swallowing a cyanide pill
while he was
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being questioned by police.
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But the evidence
he left behind
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reveals a horrifying tale
of murder
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and possibly torture.
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- It is probably
the most gruesome,
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violent investigation
in the history of our state.
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- Tonight police are searching
for Charles Ng,
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who was a friend of Lake's.
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- Charles Ng, now the object
of a nationwide manhunt,
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has vowed not
to be taken alive.
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♪
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♪
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- As a documentary filmmaker,
I discovered the story
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of a woman by the name
of Sharon Sellitto,
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whose brother Paul Cosner
went missing
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and was possibly murdered
in 1984,
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after placing an ad
for his car
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in the
"San Francisco Chronicle."
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Sharon had no idea
she was going
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to spend the rest of her life
trying to find him.
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♪
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♪
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- It's unbelievable
that somebody lost
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their life because of this.
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I know that's where Paul
took his last breaths.
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I can't imagine the terror
he felt.
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Paul was my life.
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And he stopped breathing,
and Charles Ng is.
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You, Charles Ng,
you deserve to die.
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- At this point
in the investigation,
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Charles Ng was a suspect
in at least nine murders.
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But we didn't know at
that point where he was.
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Later, Lake's ex-wife,
Claralyn Balazs,
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told us that she believed
Charles Ng was
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going to Chicago,
and then later into Canada.
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We were concerned that
if Charles were able
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to get outof the country,
it would certainly
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be much more difficult to
find him and extradite him.
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- It was an all-out manhunt
for Charles Ng.
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He was immediately placed on
the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.
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- This was a very
well-publicized hunt
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for Charles Ng.
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- Charles Ng is being hunted
all over the country tonight.
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- Ng is a former marine
who was
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dishonorably discharged
for stealing weapons
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from a Marine Corps armory
in Hawaii.
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Men who served with him say
Ng, a martial arts expert,
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was a strange man who often
talked of killing people.
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- He was a little
off-center at times.
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Um, his main interest was
just how to dispose of people.
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- It's not every day that
you pick up the paper
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and find out that
one of your neighbors
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is probably the most wanted man
in the United States right now.
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- The investigation
is now focusing
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on Charles Ng,
who is still at large.
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- Officials consider
him dangerous.
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He has a military background
in weapons and explosives,
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and police say he's vowed
that he won't be taken alive.
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- And after days of searching
for Charles Ng,
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authorities finally
got their first lead.
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A man fitting Ng's description
had reportedly been spotted
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at San Francisco Airport.
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- Police learned that
on June 2,
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Ng had hopped a flight
to Chicago.
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- We had found out
through the FBI
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that he stayed
for about a week or so
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in the Chicago area,
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with people that he had met
and known from prison.
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They helped him leave
the Chicago area
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and go into Canada.
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Once he got there,
not quite sure where he went.
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- Charles Ng proved
to be an elusive fugitive,
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always remaining one step
ahead of authorities.
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Then there was a huge break
in the case.
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- Finally, after 34 days
on the run,
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Charles Ng is spotted
in Canada.
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- Charles Ng goes
to a department store
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in Calgary, Alberta,
where he shoplifts
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a can of smoked salmon.
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And he's observed
by two security guards
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leaving the store
with the smoked salmon.
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They catch Ng.
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A struggle ensues.
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- I lunged into him
with my shoulder,
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and I tripped him
up with my foot,
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and we all fell to the floor.
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He was pulling the gun out
by that time.
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And so I grabbed
ahold of the gun.
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And he shot off one shot.
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- He pulls a gun and shoots
the security officer
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in the hand.
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A couple of Calgary
police officers were outside.
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They heard the shot
and the commotion going on.
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They come in and help
wrestle Ng to the ground,
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and arrest him.
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When I found out that they
had him in custody
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in Calgary, Canada,
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I immediately told the FBI,
we need to book a flight.
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- Ng is the last hope
police have in finding out
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what went on
at the Lake property.
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- Although he has not yet
been charged with murder,
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a Canadian attorney
has advised him
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not to answer any questions
about the videotapes that
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reportedly show him and
Leonard Lake threatening women,
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or the sex torture chamber
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at Lake's remote hideaway
in Wilseyville.
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- I was home
when I got the call
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from the San Francisco
Police Department.
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They said, sit down, Sharon.
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You're not going to believe it.
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They've caught him in Canada.
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And I was like, what?
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What? How?
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I was so happy, because
I thought that it
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was the beginning of the end.
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If nothing else, we wanted my
brother's body back so badly.
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I thought I was going to
be able to bring Paul home.
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- With Charles Ng
now in custody,
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investigators were
hopeful that they would
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finally get some answers.
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Their goal was to get Ng
back into the United States
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so that they could
get justice.
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Not only for Paul Cosner,
but for the rest
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of the victims
and their families.
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- Charles Ng was arrested
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at a Calgary department store
yesterday,
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when he shot a security guard
in the hand.
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The guard had stopped him
on suspicion of shoplifting.
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FBI agents and investigators
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from the San Francisco
Police Department
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and the Calaveras County
Sheriff's Office
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arrived in Calgary today.
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- When we arrived in Canada,
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we were met by
a large entourage of press
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filming us as we were
going through the airport.
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- Their first order
of business,
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to interview Charles Ng.
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- We definitely wanted
to find out
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who some of these
other people were,
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some of the other victims,
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who were some
of the other bodies that
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were buried on the property.
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So we had a lot of questions
for Charles Ng.
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- What investigators did know
was that Charles Ng
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came from a wealthy family
in Hong Kong,
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and was expelled from several
schools for petty theft.
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- He finally gets transferred
out by his parents
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to his aunt in San Francisco.
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His thing is not
to be in school.
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So he volunteered
for the Marines.
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- But his compulsion
for thievery
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eventually got him kicked out
of the military
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and sent to prison.
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After his release, Charles Ng
became an unstable drifter,
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eventually meeting
Leonard Lake
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and descending further
into darkness.
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- When Ng was arrested
up in Canada,
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we were hoping
to get him to talk.
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And we just tried to engage him
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in a little bit
of conversation.
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He would not even respond
to simple inquiries.
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He absolutely shut down.
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- During this time when
Charles Ng was in custody,
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we were hoping
for a quick extradition
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back to the United States.
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That didn't happen.
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- Charles Ng had just
been arrested in Calgary
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for shoplifting
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and shooting a security guard
in the hand.
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So he was likely going
to need to serve time
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up there in Canada
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before they could even
talk extradition.
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- As for when Ng might be
returned to the United States,
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that is anybody's guess.
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- When we found out
that he was going
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to be tried in Canada
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for shooting the store guard
in the hand,
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I was disappointed
'cause I thought that,
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compared
to mass serial killing,
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that they should have just
put that aside.
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But I was afraid
they were going
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to send them back to China,
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and we'd never get any justice.
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- Meanwhile,
back in Wilseyville,
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the investigation
at Claralyn Balazs' cabin
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had already turned up
at least three bodies,
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and burn piles containing
the remains
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of an unknown number
of additional victims.
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- It just keeps compiling
and compiling.
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This has become a massive,
monstrous investigation.
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- Investigators have filled
over 50 bags
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with evidence
and bone fragments.
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We can tell you that
today they brought out
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more bags of human remains,
more bags of evidence,
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to add to the 50 or so bags
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that have already been
brought out.
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- All we had time to do was
just to dig up the bones,
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put them in bags,
and ship them to the coroner
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of San Francisco County.
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With the amount of bones
that we had recovered
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from the property,
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there could be between
23 and 32 people.
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- Despite the overwhelming
amount of human remains,
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the medical examiner
just couldn't determine
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who any of these victims
might have been.
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At the time, DNA testing
just simply wasn't
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advanced enough
to be of any benefit.
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- I would like to know which
pile of incinerated bones
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is my brother, so I can take
what there is back to Ohio.
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- While Sharon Sellitto and
the other victims' families
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waited patiently for answers,
back in Canada,
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authorities pressed
ahead with their own case
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against Charles Ng.
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- Charles Ng will be
in court tomorrow,
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where the charges will
be read against him.
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He is charged
with attempted murder
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and possession
of an illegal weapon.
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- Charles is convicted
of shooting the security guard,
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and ends up sentenced
to 4 1/2 years
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in prison in Canada.
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For the U.S. investigators
and the U.S. families,
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it was a tough time.
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He had 4 1/2 years' sentence
in prison
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before they could
even consider
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sending him back
to the United States.
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- But the reality is,
one of the major benefits
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of the delay was that
during that four-year period
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of incarceration that
he was in Canada,
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it gave us an opportunity
to start
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getting the case together.
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Looking into the motives
behind the murders,
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the financial motives,
the sexual motives,
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plus the material goods
that they had with them.
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Very complex.
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A lot of different moving parts
that had to be examined.
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- One of the greatest
lingering mysteries revolved
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around the photographs
of 21 women
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found inside the bunker
on the property in Wilseyville.
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- We certainly questioned
whether or not
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any of those women were
possibly murdered
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by Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.
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- For authorities,
it did provide an opportunity
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to question Leonard Lake's
ex-wife, Claralyn Balazs,
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about these mysterious women.
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- And Claralyn admitted to us
that Leonard Lake was
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into photography,
and that Leonard liked to take
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pictures of these young girls.
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She said,
I just thought he was living
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this very active fantasy life.
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She played along with it,
not really believing
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that he was intending
to commit
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all these crimes
and abduct women.
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- After we interviewed
Claralyn Balazs,
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she hired an attorney
from Los Angeles.
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And that was the end of any
more interviews with Claralyn.
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- I have cooperated
with the police
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to the best of my ability.
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I wish to express my concern
for the people affected
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by this investigation.
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On the advice
of my attorneys,
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I will make no further
statements at this time.
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- Despite the fact that
Claralyn's property was
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clearly a crime scene,
police could not prove
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that she had any involvement
in the horrors
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that occurred there.
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So no charges were ever filed,
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and she simply walked away.
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- At that point in time,
we needed
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to find out
who these ladies were.
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We ended up deciding
the best way to do this
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is to go to the press
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and show the photos of all
the ladies through the media.
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We ended up identifying
every one of those ladies,
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and I'm glad to say that
all of them were safe.
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But they all had stories,
because they had been
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photographed by Leonard Lake.
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- He just had me modeling guns,
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a lot of machine guns
and wartime guns.
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And there was modeling
without the guns.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- That's about it.
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He just was interested
in taking pictures.
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- Finally,
we had some good news
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coming out of Wilseyville.
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But back in Canada,
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Ng continued to maintain
his silence.
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- At this point,
Ng had not confessed
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to participating in any
of the atrocities that
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had occurred in Wilseyville.
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And then someone comes
forward with information
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that blows the case wide open.
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♪
319
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- Charles Ng was
in prison in Canada,
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serving his sentence up there.
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Another prisoner is put
in a cell beside him.
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That prisoner
is Maurice Laberge.
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00:16:04,789 --> 00:16:08,839
Maurice is a career criminal
from Saskatchewan.
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00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,800
He ends up befriending Charles
in the cell next to him.
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As Charles got more
comfortable with him,
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Charles is now bragging
about his killings
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00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:21,592
by sending pieces of paper
with sketches and drawings
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00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,812
into the other cell.
329
00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:28,641
- I have here some
of the sketches that
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00:16:28,683 --> 00:16:32,513
Charles Ng had drawn
for Maurice Laberge.
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The majority of Ng's
sketches had titles,
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and I have one here
which is called,
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00:16:40,738 --> 00:16:44,048
"Calaveras County
Remains Claiming Section."
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00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:47,531
The coroner, Boyd Stevens,
is giving back
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00:16:47,571 --> 00:16:50,011
remains to family members.
336
00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:52,882
Deborah Dubs' father is
collecting the Dubs remains.
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00:16:52,924 --> 00:16:54,884
And a family member
is walking out
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00:16:54,926 --> 00:16:58,706
with a bag that has the
name Allen written on it,
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00:16:58,756 --> 00:17:00,716
assuming this
is Kathleen Allen
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00:17:00,758 --> 00:17:02,668
from the "M-Ladies" tapes.
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00:17:02,717 --> 00:17:05,807
On the table is a bag
of human remains
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00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:09,380
belonging to Lake's
next-door neighbors,
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00:17:09,419 --> 00:17:11,469
the Bond family--
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00:17:11,508 --> 00:17:14,078
Lonnie Bond, Brenda O'Connor,
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00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:17,470
and their infant son,
Lonnie Bond Jr.,
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00:17:17,514 --> 00:17:20,654
who were all murdered.
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00:17:20,691 --> 00:17:23,171
Here's another sketch
which Ng has titled,
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00:17:23,216 --> 00:17:26,256
"San Quentin, Years Later,"
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00:17:26,306 --> 00:17:29,826
in which he depicts himself
on a bed in a jail cell
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in San Quentin Prison.
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00:17:32,225 --> 00:17:37,095
To his left, scribblings
of his catchphrases,
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00:17:37,143 --> 00:17:41,893
"No gun, no fun,"
and "No kill, no thrill."
353
00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:45,800
And to his right
is almost a trophy wall
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00:17:45,847 --> 00:17:49,847
where he is depicting
all of his victims.
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00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:55,344
And on that wall
is Paul Cosner.
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00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:57,768
♪
357
00:17:57,815 --> 00:17:59,985
Maurice Laberge had recognized
Ng's confessions
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00:18:00,035 --> 00:18:02,775
as his ticket
to an early parole.
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00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:04,820
Through his attorney,
he had struck a deal
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00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:07,216
with investigators
to become an informant.
361
00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:09,260
Over the course of
the next year and a half,
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00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:12,435
Maurice had encouraged
Charles Ng to divulge
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00:18:12,482 --> 00:18:15,012
more information
about his crimes.
364
00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:19,450
- Every time Charles would
talk to Maurice,
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00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,749
Maurice would make notes.
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00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:25,056
"I killed Kathleen Allen.
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00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:29,414
A round in the head
of the no-good whore."
368
00:18:30,848 --> 00:18:33,808
Scott Stapley,
which was the name that
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00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:36,641
Leonard Lake used
when he was being arrested.
370
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,160
"We picked him up in town,
371
00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:40,774
"and he wanted to get out
right away.
372
00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:42,025
"He must have figured it out.
373
00:18:42,077 --> 00:18:44,297
"I put the gun in his mouth.
374
00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:47,560
"I know there were witnesses
when we grabbed Bond.
375
00:18:47,604 --> 00:18:49,954
"We thought Lonnie Bond
had money stashed.
376
00:18:49,998 --> 00:18:51,168
"So we handcuffed him.
377
00:18:51,217 --> 00:18:54,217
"We killed Bond
pretty quickly.
378
00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:55,833
"We got some serious good
379
00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:58,493
"big-time video equipment
from the Dubs.
380
00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:00,788
"Lake tied Harvey up
in the corner,
381
00:19:00,835 --> 00:19:02,445
"then I grabbed Deborah's leg
382
00:19:02,489 --> 00:19:05,059
"and jammed her
while he watched.
383
00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:07,450
"After the kill,
we kept what was good
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00:19:07,494 --> 00:19:10,064
and buried their ID."
385
00:19:10,105 --> 00:19:12,185
- I think that one of
the things that impacted me
386
00:19:12,238 --> 00:19:15,888
the most was to read
the things that Ng had
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00:19:15,937 --> 00:19:20,067
divulged to Maurice Laberge
about Paul Cosner.
388
00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:24,341
- When Ng was in prison
in Canada with Laberge,
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00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:27,340
he made a number of
statements about Paul Cosner.
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00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:30,213
Ng told him, quote,
"Leonard found this guy who
391
00:19:30,256 --> 00:19:34,556
"looked like him,
this Paul Cosner,
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00:19:34,608 --> 00:19:37,608
and he wanted his car
and his ID."
393
00:19:40,309 --> 00:19:44,569
"It was a hard operation,
because Cosner
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00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:47,398
wouldn't cooperate with us."
395
00:19:47,447 --> 00:19:50,537
♪
396
00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:52,410
"I shot him in the head."
397
00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,423
- This is Ng saying
that while he was
398
00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:00,979
sitting in the back
of the car,
399
00:20:01,025 --> 00:20:03,545
he shot Paul Cosner
in the head.
400
00:20:03,593 --> 00:20:05,943
This is almost as good
as a confession
401
00:20:05,987 --> 00:20:08,897
that Paul Cosner, first of all,
was shot and killed,
402
00:20:08,946 --> 00:20:11,596
and secondly,
that it was Charles Ng
403
00:20:11,645 --> 00:20:13,645
who actually did the killing.
404
00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:18,350
♪
405
00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:21,091
- Authorities in the U.S.
now had what they thought
406
00:20:21,132 --> 00:20:24,012
was solid enough evidence
to not only prosecute
407
00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,138
Charles Ng for the murder
of Paul Cosner,
408
00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:28,711
but for many of
the other victims.
409
00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:33,275
Their next battle was getting
him back to California.
410
00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,889
- The snag developed
when California
411
00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:37,850
asked to have Ng sent back.
412
00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:40,458
The Canadians said no.
413
00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:43,885
- In terms of the extradition,
414
00:20:43,938 --> 00:20:45,588
Canada had a provision
in the law
415
00:20:45,635 --> 00:20:48,245
that they may refuse
extradition
416
00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:51,900
if the country the person
is to be extradited to
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00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:53,376
has the death penalty.
418
00:20:53,426 --> 00:20:56,466
So they were initially
wanting assurances
419
00:20:56,516 --> 00:20:57,906
from the U.S. authorities
420
00:20:57,952 --> 00:21:00,872
that the death penalty
would not be charged.
421
00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,651
And the authorities
here declined
422
00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:04,646
to give them that assurance.
423
00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:08,313
- Ng's extradition became
424
00:21:08,354 --> 00:21:10,444
a major civil rights issue
in Canada.
425
00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:13,486
This was going to be the
first time in Canadian history
426
00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,323
where someone
facing extradition
427
00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:19,191
back to their country would
face the death penalty.
428
00:21:19,234 --> 00:21:22,114
♪
429
00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:35,638
- It was beyond belief.
430
00:21:35,685 --> 00:21:39,645
We went through all the levels
of government of Canada.
431
00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:41,909
We were begging them
432
00:21:41,952 --> 00:21:43,742
to send Charles Ng back,
433
00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:46,870
to change the law,
to make him be held
434
00:21:46,914 --> 00:21:49,354
accountable for his actions.
435
00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,215
The wait has been interminable.
436
00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,306
I think he deserves
the death penalty,
437
00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,705
if anybody in
the lifetime of crime
438
00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:58,270
deserved the death penalty.
439
00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:01,277
- The first time I ever met
Sharon Sellitto
440
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,320
was in Canada,
when we were doing
441
00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:07,146
our petitions and everything.
442
00:22:07,195 --> 00:22:08,495
- Today in San Francisco--
443
00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:11,374
- Every time she'd come on TV,
my dad goes,
444
00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:13,067
there's our little firecracker!
445
00:22:13,114 --> 00:22:15,514
- Nothing has gone our way.
446
00:22:15,551 --> 00:22:17,031
It was like we were--
447
00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:20,694
we were battling the Canadian
government all this time.
448
00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:24,300
And I knew we were on the
side of right and good.
449
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,173
- She didn't realize how much
she was helping everybody.
450
00:22:27,215 --> 00:22:30,085
She was the only one that
was asking the same questions
451
00:22:30,131 --> 00:22:31,741
that we wanted to know.
452
00:22:34,918 --> 00:22:36,358
♪
453
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,358
- By the summer of 1990,
Charles Ng had served
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00:22:39,401 --> 00:22:41,801
his 4 1/2 year sentence
in Canada.
455
00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:43,798
And he was transferred
to another prison,
456
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,760
while his extradition case
moved through
457
00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,499
the Canadian court system.
458
00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:51,023
- The case ends up
going all the way
459
00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:53,325
to the Canadian Supreme Court.
460
00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:56,332
Those nine justices were
going to have to decide
461
00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:59,465
if Canada would be willing
to extradite somebody
462
00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:00,808
for the death penalty.
463
00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:02,377
It was a huge deal.
464
00:23:02,424 --> 00:23:04,994
♪
465
00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:06,205
- Good evening.
466
00:23:06,254 --> 00:23:07,524
Topping our news tonight,
the ruling that
467
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,650
could bring a
mass murder suspect to trial.
468
00:23:09,692 --> 00:23:12,832
A Canadian judge ruled
today that Charles Ng can
469
00:23:12,869 --> 00:23:14,609
be extradited to California.
470
00:23:14,654 --> 00:23:16,054
The Canadian Supreme Court,
471
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:18,790
in a close four to three
decision, said today--
472
00:23:18,832 --> 00:23:20,402
said that Ng could
be extradited,
473
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:23,182
regardless of what penalty
faced him here in California.
474
00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:25,007
- Family members of
the victims said they were
475
00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:26,705
relieved to hear the ruling.
476
00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:29,933
- We were starting to feel that
it was never going to happen.
477
00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:31,503
My mother was worried
that she wouldn't
478
00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:36,150
even live long enough to see
him return to California.
479
00:23:37,067 --> 00:23:39,107
- As soon as
the ruling was made,
480
00:23:39,156 --> 00:23:41,896
Charles Ng was taken
out of his cell
481
00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:46,602
and loaded up into a van that
brought him to the airport.
482
00:23:49,689 --> 00:23:51,999
♪
483
00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:54,609
- When the plane
took off from Canada
484
00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:56,480
with Charles Ng on board,
485
00:23:56,522 --> 00:23:59,392
the officers called me
when they were going
486
00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:02,878
over the border from Canada
to the United States
487
00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:04,229
to tell me, Sharon,
488
00:24:04,268 --> 00:24:06,788
Charles Ng's on his way
to justice.
489
00:24:06,836 --> 00:24:10,836
And it was the first time
490
00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:14,104
I felt happy
491
00:24:14,148 --> 00:24:19,588
and smiled and laughed in...
492
00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:21,902
seven years,
493
00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,938
and it was the best news ever.
494
00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:29,116
♪
495
00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:31,643
- We touched down
in Sacramento.
496
00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:35,127
The Department of Corrections
van was there to greet us.
497
00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:37,479
As they brought him out of
the airplane in shackles
498
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,179
and turned him over to
the Department of Corrections,
499
00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:43,698
there was a lot of smiles,
a lot of handshakes,
500
00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:45,273
a lot of hugs going on.
501
00:24:45,309 --> 00:24:47,489
- Sitting behind bars
in Folsom Prison
502
00:24:47,529 --> 00:24:49,359
is Charles Ng, the man accused
503
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,490
in the sex torture slayings
six years ago.
504
00:24:55,232 --> 00:24:58,632
- I thought we were on
the first step to justice.
505
00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:02,370
They were finally going
to have a hearing.
506
00:25:02,413 --> 00:25:04,463
And so Mother came from Ohio,
507
00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,643
and we drove up to make sure
we were there.
508
00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:12,034
When we got there,
they had sharpshooters
509
00:25:12,075 --> 00:25:14,295
on the roof of the courthouse.
510
00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:17,468
They had sharpshooters
in the woods.
511
00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:21,036
- Charles Ng was
public enemy number one.
512
00:25:21,084 --> 00:25:23,304
He received many death threats,
513
00:25:23,347 --> 00:25:25,917
and authorities weren't
taking any chances.
514
00:25:25,959 --> 00:25:28,739
♪
515
00:25:28,788 --> 00:25:30,438
- Security was tight outside
516
00:25:30,485 --> 00:25:33,395
the Calaveras County
Courthouse this afternoon.
517
00:25:33,444 --> 00:25:37,014
All this for suspected
mass murderer Charles Ng.
518
00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:39,187
The court charged Ng
with 11 murders,
519
00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:41,453
two counts of conspiracy
to commit murder,
520
00:25:41,496 --> 00:25:43,236
three kidnappings,
and a burglary.
521
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,200
The prosecutor says he plans
522
00:25:45,239 --> 00:25:46,979
to charge Ng
with a 12th murder,
523
00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:48,503
for the death of Paul Cosner.
524
00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:51,547
Cosner's sister was
in the courtroom today.
525
00:25:59,775 --> 00:26:02,255
♪
526
00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:05,299
- Ng had been charged
officially with 12 murders,
527
00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:08,736
but he wasn't going
to go down without a fight.
528
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:15,050
- Charles gets into all
these legal ramblings,
529
00:26:15,095 --> 00:26:19,225
firing attorneys,
every delay tactic he can.
530
00:26:19,273 --> 00:26:21,363
- Ng made more complaints
in court this afternoon
531
00:26:21,405 --> 00:26:24,095
about getting cold food,
about getting carsick
532
00:26:24,147 --> 00:26:25,707
while being driven from Folsom,
533
00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:28,538
and not getting enough exercise
while he was in court.
534
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:32,327
- Charles Ng used every legal
maneuver to elude trial,
535
00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:34,903
including filing a motion
for a change of venue
536
00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:36,601
outside of Calaveras County.
537
00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,208
This went on for years
and weighed heavily
538
00:26:39,249 --> 00:26:41,029
on the families of the victims,
539
00:26:41,077 --> 00:26:42,777
especially Sharon Sellitto.
540
00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:45,128
- I just want to know when
we're ever going to get around
541
00:26:45,168 --> 00:26:46,818
to the victims to the crime.
542
00:26:46,866 --> 00:26:48,816
I don't care if he's hot.
543
00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:49,828
I don't care if he's cold.
544
00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:50,959
I don't care if he's sick.
545
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,050
I don't care if he's healthy.
546
00:26:52,088 --> 00:26:53,348
I don't care if he's hungry.
547
00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:55,224
I don't care if he's too full.
548
00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:56,475
Let's get on with the crime.
549
00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:58,227
I want to know
about the victims.
550
00:26:58,268 --> 00:27:01,268
I don't care about Charlie Ng.
551
00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:07,453
- Charles Ng delays this
trial by seven years.
552
00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:10,235
But finally,
the trial date is set.
553
00:27:13,196 --> 00:27:15,016
♪
554
00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:17,288
- There was a collective
sigh of relief
555
00:27:17,331 --> 00:27:19,681
that this was finally,
finally happening,
556
00:27:19,725 --> 00:27:22,465
after so many years of waiting.
557
00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:24,430
There was a lot of security.
558
00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:26,428
There was a lot
of media attention.
559
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:28,260
The courtroom was packed.
560
00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,818
- We were finally
going to see justice.
561
00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:34,216
We had hopes of learning,
562
00:27:34,261 --> 00:27:37,051
through the trial process,
where Paul was.
563
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:39,050
We thought we'd find out,
564
00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:41,882
and then we could recover
his body.
565
00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:45,051
♪
566
00:27:45,098 --> 00:27:46,528
- They found evidence of--
567
00:27:46,577 --> 00:27:49,447
- The prosecutors were
confident the jury were
568
00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:51,803
going to convict Charles Ng.
569
00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:55,457
They had the M-Ladies tapes,
570
00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:57,459
they had the notes
and sketches that Ng had sent
571
00:27:57,501 --> 00:27:59,631
to prison informant
Maurice Laberge,
572
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:02,458
and they had
Leonard Lake's diary.
573
00:28:02,506 --> 00:28:05,116
- The prosecution
really needed his diary
574
00:28:05,161 --> 00:28:06,551
to be admitted as evidence,
575
00:28:06,597 --> 00:28:09,117
because it implicated
Charles Ng in the murder
576
00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:12,385
and disappearance
of Paul Cosner.
577
00:28:12,429 --> 00:28:15,559
But judges often label
diaries as hearsay,
578
00:28:15,606 --> 00:28:18,646
especially if the person
who wrote it is dead.
579
00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,567
The big question
in the courtroom,
580
00:28:20,611 --> 00:28:23,791
would Leonard Lake's diary
be admissible as evidence?
581
00:28:23,832 --> 00:28:26,362
♪
582
00:28:31,666 --> 00:28:33,536
♪
583
00:28:33,581 --> 00:28:36,411
- The big question
inside the courtroom,
584
00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,633
would Leonard Lake's diary
be admissible?
585
00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,294
All the evidence they needed
to convict Charles Ng
586
00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:44,939
was right there,
right on the page.
587
00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:46,334
But Leonard Lake was dead,
588
00:28:46,376 --> 00:28:48,466
so it was difficult
to confirm what was true
589
00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:50,509
or what he might have
made up or embellished.
590
00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:53,824
In the end, the judge
deemed the diary hearsay,
591
00:28:53,862 --> 00:28:56,172
and it was excluded
from the trial.
592
00:28:57,997 --> 00:29:01,437
So this was a serious blow
to the prosecution.
593
00:29:03,524 --> 00:29:06,274
- By that time,
I knew about Lake's diary,
594
00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:10,439
and where it said that they
had murdered Paul together.
595
00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:13,576
It was just horrible.
596
00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:18,226
- Fortunately, the prosecution
did have other key evidence
597
00:29:18,278 --> 00:29:20,538
they could lean back on.
598
00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,944
The M-Lady tapes.
599
00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:23,938
Let's face it.
600
00:29:23,979 --> 00:29:25,289
That's extremely
damning evidence.
601
00:29:25,328 --> 00:29:26,548
You've got Leonard Lake there.
602
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:27,810
You've got Charlie there.
603
00:29:27,853 --> 00:29:29,253
You've got the victims there.
604
00:29:29,289 --> 00:29:30,549
And they outline everything
that they're
605
00:29:30,594 --> 00:29:32,124
going to do to them.
606
00:29:44,521 --> 00:29:46,001
- Now, when that tape
is played tomorrow,
607
00:29:46,045 --> 00:29:48,175
the public will be banned
from the courtroom.
608
00:29:48,221 --> 00:29:51,051
Except for the family members
of the alleged victims,
609
00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:54,583
who for the first time may
actually see the terror
610
00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:56,188
their loved ones endured.
611
00:29:59,188 --> 00:30:03,978
♪
612
00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:07,719
- Right off the bat,
the jury is shown exactly
613
00:30:07,762 --> 00:30:10,772
what Leonard Lake
and Charles Ng are like.
614
00:30:16,423 --> 00:30:17,953
- When she played the tapes,
615
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:20,120
you could cut the tension
with a knife.
616
00:30:20,166 --> 00:30:21,986
It was a very tense moment.
617
00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:31,479
- Victims' family members
were crying.
618
00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:34,005
It was an emotional
moment for them.
619
00:30:44,712 --> 00:30:47,322
- It was graphic
and disgusting
620
00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,197
and difficult to watch.
621
00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:53,197
The tape was just
that overwhelming.
622
00:30:56,942 --> 00:30:59,552
- That's something
I could never watch.
623
00:31:00,206 --> 00:31:05,426
And I asked them,
was my sister murdered on tape?
624
00:31:05,472 --> 00:31:07,522
And they told me, no,
she was just tortured.
625
00:31:07,561 --> 00:31:11,261
♪
626
00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:14,874
I know my sister suffered.
627
00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:21,013
- The defense says,
despite offensive images shown
628
00:31:21,053 --> 00:31:23,323
in court of Charles Ng
on videotape
629
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:27,279
cutting off a woman's clothes,
he did not kill anyone.
630
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,100
- You can't like Charles Ng,
folks.
631
00:31:29,148 --> 00:31:31,368
It's impossible.
632
00:31:31,411 --> 00:31:34,071
But you have to set
that aside and say,
633
00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:36,369
have they proven that
he murdered--
634
00:31:36,416 --> 00:31:39,586
actually killed,
or conspired to kill?
635
00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:42,026
- So William Kelley's
whole theory was
636
00:31:42,074 --> 00:31:44,254
to make Lake the killer,
637
00:31:44,293 --> 00:31:45,903
and to make Charles Ng
638
00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:47,947
just an accomplice
to some other deeds,
639
00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,863
but definitely not the killing.
640
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,428
Maybe he was guilty
of sexual assault
641
00:31:52,475 --> 00:31:54,385
or some other crimes.
642
00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:56,834
But he's on trial for murder.
643
00:31:56,871 --> 00:31:59,741
- It was Bill Kelley's intent
for Charles Ng
644
00:31:59,787 --> 00:32:01,397
to never testify,
645
00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:04,011
never get anywhere near
the witness box.
646
00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:07,532
He knew that it would
damage the case.
647
00:32:07,577 --> 00:32:10,357
- But then, against
his attorney's advice,
648
00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:12,016
and at the 11th hour,
649
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,850
Charles Ng decided
to take the stand.
650
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:18,240
- He wasn't going
to let anybody else
651
00:32:18,284 --> 00:32:20,074
get in the way of showing that
652
00:32:20,112 --> 00:32:22,032
he was innocent
of these murders.
653
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:24,070
He didn't care what
his attorneys had done.
654
00:32:24,116 --> 00:32:27,676
It was going to be
the Charles Ng show.
655
00:32:27,728 --> 00:32:30,768
- I think it was a huge
tactical error on his part,
656
00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:33,648
in order to try to explain
away things
657
00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:36,430
and, again, try
to blame Leonard Lake.
658
00:32:36,476 --> 00:32:38,776
And I think it
failed miserably.
659
00:32:40,349 --> 00:32:43,439
- The prosecutor produced
sketches depicting Charlie
660
00:32:43,483 --> 00:32:45,663
cooking a baby in a wok,
and asked him
661
00:32:45,702 --> 00:32:48,442
if he had written
the words on the sketch,
662
00:32:48,488 --> 00:32:52,138
"Daddy dies,
mommy cries, baby fries."
663
00:32:53,754 --> 00:32:57,284
Charlie said he had,
but he dismissed the sketch
664
00:32:57,323 --> 00:32:59,283
as an attempt at black humor.
665
00:32:59,325 --> 00:33:02,015
But it was difficult
for a jury to find any humor
666
00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:04,937
in the drawings that
depicted killing babies,
667
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:08,683
because what kind of person
would do these things?
668
00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:16,299
♪
669
00:33:16,342 --> 00:33:19,212
- By the end of the trial,
it was anyone's guess
670
00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:20,688
what the jury was thinking.
671
00:33:21,695 --> 00:33:25,045
- When the jury finally
went out,
672
00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:27,350
we of course were hoping
for justice.
673
00:33:28,876 --> 00:33:30,786
Finally, on the 13th day,
674
00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:33,534
we got a call that said,
you have two hours
675
00:33:33,576 --> 00:33:35,486
to get back to the courthouse.
676
00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:37,795
The jury's reached a verdict.
677
00:33:40,975 --> 00:33:43,715
♪
678
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,630
- We, the jury,
in the above entitled case,
679
00:33:46,676 --> 00:33:51,156
find the defendant,
Charles Chitat Ng...
680
00:33:51,203 --> 00:33:54,253
♪
681
00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:55,773
Guilty.
682
00:33:57,905 --> 00:34:00,815
- The word "guilty"
echoed through the courtroom
683
00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:02,264
again and again.
684
00:34:02,301 --> 00:34:05,741
After 14 years, Ng was
no longer a defendant.
685
00:34:05,782 --> 00:34:07,782
He was a convicted
serial killer.
686
00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:10,398
- Guilty verdicts come in
for the victims,
687
00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:14,399
including the murders
of Harvey Dubs, Deborah Dubs,
688
00:34:14,443 --> 00:34:16,403
their 18-month baby, Sean,
689
00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:19,095
followed by the two men found
in the sleeping bags,
690
00:34:19,144 --> 00:34:22,104
Lonnie Bond
and Scott Stapley.
691
00:34:22,147 --> 00:34:23,887
Guilty verdicts were read
for the two women
692
00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:25,541
from the M-Ladies tape,
693
00:34:25,585 --> 00:34:28,275
Kathy Allen
and Brenda O'Connor,
694
00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:30,497
and her infant son.
695
00:34:30,546 --> 00:34:35,376
- When the verdict came in,
it was on my sister's birthday.
696
00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:36,811
We were all happy.
697
00:34:36,857 --> 00:34:38,207
We were all crying.
698
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:39,900
We were all hugging.
699
00:34:39,947 --> 00:34:42,517
We--
700
00:34:42,558 --> 00:34:45,208
but Sharon wasn't.
701
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,740
- Charles Ng had been convicted
on every count of murder,
702
00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:51,834
except for one--
703
00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:53,872
the murder of Paul Cosner.
704
00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:04,835
♪
705
00:35:04,885 --> 00:35:07,405
- We, the jury,
in the above entitled case,
706
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:11,763
find the defendant,
Charles Chitat Ng,
707
00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:13,235
guilty.
708
00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:18,547
- Charles Ng, guilty of murder
not once, but 11 times.
709
00:35:18,594 --> 00:35:20,904
- The mass murderer
showed no emotion,
710
00:35:20,944 --> 00:35:22,344
but some relatives
of the victims
711
00:35:22,381 --> 00:35:24,171
smiled and nodded
with approval.
712
00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,249
- For Sharon Sellitto,
no such joy.
713
00:35:26,298 --> 00:35:27,908
Just bitter disappointment.
714
00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:30,171
The jury could not agree
on the murder
715
00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:31,905
of her brother, Paul Cosner.
716
00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:35,515
- They had said guilty
all those times
717
00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:36,918
for everybody else.
718
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,490
And there wasn't a guilty
for Paul.
719
00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:43,269
And I was sitting there
with my arm around Mother,
720
00:35:43,315 --> 00:35:46,315
and she had her hands
in her lap,
721
00:35:46,361 --> 00:35:49,321
and her hands were just
filling up with tears.
722
00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:53,464
And they were running over
her hands and down her leg
723
00:35:53,499 --> 00:35:55,199
to the floor.
724
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,110
- That wasn't fair to Sharon.
725
00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:00,105
All the work, all the time,
726
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:02,418
all the people she helped.
727
00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:05,214
And then it was
her brother that
728
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:07,120
came back with not guilty.
729
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,725
And that wasn't right.
730
00:36:08,775 --> 00:36:12,815
So you're all happy and elated,
then you're all pissed.
731
00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,956
Why? Why not Paul?
732
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:22,220
- If Leonard Lake's diary
had been entered into evidence,
733
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:25,657
I feel that Charles Ng
would have been
734
00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,915
charged with a 12th murder.
735
00:36:27,968 --> 00:36:31,228
The entries in there
implicated him
736
00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:34,366
as potentially being
the killer.
737
00:36:35,367 --> 00:36:39,677
I feel that Sharon Sellitto had
738
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,639
been served a gross injustice.
739
00:36:42,678 --> 00:36:45,858
- Bonnie, you couldn't vote
to find him guilty.
740
00:36:45,899 --> 00:36:47,249
Why not?
741
00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,422
- I felt there was still
a little bit of a doubt.
742
00:36:49,468 --> 00:36:52,168
- But I was absolutely,
without a doubt, sure.
743
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:53,910
- I'm sure he did it.
744
00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:55,260
But they didn't prove it.
745
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,170
- Now comes the penalty phase.
746
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,475
It's scheduled to start
the second week of March,
747
00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:02,791
and prosecutors intend
to seek the death penalty.
748
00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:07,529
♪
749
00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:09,713
- The judge allowed
the family members
750
00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:12,189
to give impact statements,
talk about their loved ones
751
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,710
that they lost.
752
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:19,670
And that, to me,
was really heart-wrenching,
753
00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:21,535
to see the pain and anguish.
754
00:37:21,587 --> 00:37:24,547
- I just wanted to come up here
and stand before you,
755
00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:27,680
and tell you that
my sister was loved,
756
00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:31,163
and is missed very, very much.
757
00:37:31,205 --> 00:37:35,555
- May God forgive me,
but I want Charles Ng dead.
758
00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,341
- This is part of my
victim impact statement
759
00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:41,476
that the judge
allowed me to read.
760
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,780
"You have shown nothing
but contempt for life.
761
00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:46,527
"You have killed many people.
762
00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:50,218
"Not only my brother, but that
you killed so many others
763
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,748
"who have no one to speak
on their behalf.
764
00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:55,322
"But now it's over, Charlie.
765
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,670
You must be put to death."
766
00:37:59,842 --> 00:38:02,242
- It took 14 long,
grueling years,
767
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,330
but families of the victims
finally heard
768
00:38:04,369 --> 00:38:06,239
the words they wanted to hear.
769
00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,594
The judge agreed with
the jury's recommendation.
770
00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:11,554
Charles Ng will die
for his crimes.
771
00:38:11,593 --> 00:38:14,293
- It is the order
of this court that
772
00:38:14,335 --> 00:38:16,855
you shall be punished
by death.
773
00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:20,252
- When they said
the death sentence,
774
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,078
you could hear the screams.
775
00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:23,425
We were elated.
776
00:38:23,475 --> 00:38:26,035
Charles Ng was just so whiny.
777
00:38:26,086 --> 00:38:29,086
And he didn't get no sleep,
he was tired.
778
00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:32,352
I stood up, and I bent over,
779
00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:34,397
and he was right
in front of me.
780
00:38:34,442 --> 00:38:39,102
And I told him,
bet you're wide awake now.
781
00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:49,238
♪
782
00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:09,171
♪
783
00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:12,613
- When I first set out
on this journey,
784
00:39:12,654 --> 00:39:14,614
all I wanted to do was
tell the story
785
00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:16,396
of the most gruesome
serial murder case
786
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,091
Ain California's history.
787
00:39:19,748 --> 00:39:22,708
And in Sharon Sellitto,
I met a woman
788
00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:25,751
who, for me, is the definition
of the words
789
00:39:25,798 --> 00:39:28,498
resilience and strength.
790
00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:31,330
♪
791
00:39:36,112 --> 00:39:39,332
- Well, obviously,
from what I've been through,
792
00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,547
I discovered that
life isn't fair.
793
00:39:42,597 --> 00:39:47,647
And if this doesn't prove it,
nothing has.
794
00:39:47,689 --> 00:39:54,829
♪
795
00:39:57,873 --> 00:40:01,013
- I have all the admiration
in the world for Sharon.
796
00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:02,790
I can't think of anything
or anybody else
797
00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:05,615
in the world that has
ever been that dedicated.
798
00:40:05,664 --> 00:40:12,714
♪
799
00:40:18,764 --> 00:40:20,724
- Hi, Sharon.
- Hi.
800
00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:23,898
- God bless her.
801
00:40:23,943 --> 00:40:25,903
I mean, what can you say?
802
00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:28,990
Hard place to come to.
803
00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:30,815
- I know.
804
00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,083
But it feels exactly the same.
805
00:40:33,126 --> 00:40:35,076
- Same. Yeah.
806
00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:36,168
- It does feel the same.
807
00:40:36,216 --> 00:40:38,826
- 37 years since--
808
00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:40,791
- Yeah.
- Long time.
809
00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:42,219
- Half my life.
810
00:40:42,265 --> 00:40:44,395
- Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.
811
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:45,882
- Grandma picked roses.
812
00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:48,401
And she took them to Mother
at the hospital
813
00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,136
to celebrate Paul's birth.
814
00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:52,746
These are from
Grandma's roses in Ohio.
815
00:40:52,798 --> 00:40:54,228
- Seriously?
- Wow.
816
00:40:54,277 --> 00:40:57,847
- I brought it up here
to spread some of the petals.
817
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:59,280
- Wow.
818
00:40:59,326 --> 00:41:02,676
- To make Mother happy,
Grandma happy, Paul happy.
819
00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:05,251
And me happy too.
820
00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:07,378
This is from Mother.
821
00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:10,381
And this is from Grandma.
822
00:41:10,424 --> 00:41:16,434
And it's to take some of
the murder out of this land.
823
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:17,954
This is for Paul,
824
00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:21,387
to celebrate
Paul Steven Cosner.
825
00:41:21,435 --> 00:41:26,135
For many years, I thought
about this every day.
826
00:41:26,179 --> 00:41:27,529
Here, Paulie.
827
00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,792
These are finally here.
828
00:41:31,271 --> 00:41:34,451
I don't think about
it every day now.
829
00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:37,625
God bless you.
830
00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:41,719
There isn't anything else
I can do.
831
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,500
God bless you.
832
00:41:43,544 --> 00:41:47,074
I guess I've learned
to live with it.
833
00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:49,683
♪
834
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:53,214
I try to live past it
and around it,
835
00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:57,779
but I don't think
I can ever forget it.
836
00:41:57,819 --> 00:42:04,959
♪
837
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,460
♪
838
00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,499
- Well, some new developments
in a mass murder
839
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,285
that happened in
Calaveras County back in 1985.
840
00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:32,110
The remains of some
of the victims
841
00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:33,768
were exhumed for DNA testing.
842
00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:37,472
- Right now, as we speak,
the Department of Justice
843
00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:40,731
is, through DNA,
attempting to identify
844
00:42:40,775 --> 00:42:44,645
other human remains that
were found on the property.
845
00:42:44,692 --> 00:42:46,912
- I would very much like
to find Paul,
846
00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:50,305
and take him back
and bury him next to Mother.
847
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:54,220
DNA has become
much more advanced.
848
00:42:54,267 --> 00:42:55,827
I'm very optimistic.
849
00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:59,267
I sure am hoping that
I'm the lucky one.
850
00:42:59,315 --> 00:43:06,445
♪
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