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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,050 --> 00:00:09,490 - The San Francisco police are asking for help tonight 2 00:00:09,531 --> 00:00:11,141 in their search for a man who placed 3 00:00:11,185 --> 00:00:15,055 a newspaper advertisement to sell his 1980 Honda. 4 00:00:15,102 --> 00:00:17,632 The car hasn't been seen since then, 5 00:00:17,669 --> 00:00:19,409 nor has the owner, Paul Cosner. 6 00:00:19,454 --> 00:00:21,334 - Paul Cosner disappeared seven months ago 7 00:00:21,369 --> 00:00:23,979 without a trace, a case that attracted nationwide attention 8 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:25,334 because it was so baffling. 9 00:00:25,373 --> 00:00:26,983 - Paul's sister Sharon says the last time 10 00:00:27,027 --> 00:00:28,807 she spoke to her brother, he was going out 11 00:00:28,854 --> 00:00:30,074 to sell that car. 12 00:00:30,117 --> 00:00:31,467 - Now the first break in the case. 13 00:00:31,509 --> 00:00:33,769 San Francisco police say they found Cosner's car. 14 00:00:33,816 --> 00:00:35,816 - Tonight police are saying the man they found 15 00:00:35,861 --> 00:00:38,131 with Cosner's car is Leonard Lake. 16 00:00:38,168 --> 00:00:39,558 - Police encountered Lake at a South San Francisco 17 00:00:39,604 --> 00:00:42,094 lumber company after his companion, Charles Ng, 18 00:00:42,129 --> 00:00:43,829 allegedly tried to steal a vise. 19 00:00:43,869 --> 00:00:45,219 - Lake killed himself earlier this week 20 00:00:45,262 --> 00:00:47,742 by swallowing a cyanide pill while he was 21 00:00:47,786 --> 00:00:49,176 being questioned by police. 22 00:00:49,223 --> 00:00:51,093 But the evidence he left behind 23 00:00:51,138 --> 00:00:53,658 reveals a horrifying tale of murder 24 00:00:53,705 --> 00:00:55,005 and possibly torture. 25 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:57,095 - It is probably the most gruesome, 26 00:00:57,144 --> 00:01:00,364 violent investigation in the history of our state. 27 00:01:00,408 --> 00:01:02,668 - Tonight police are searching for Charles Ng, 28 00:01:02,714 --> 00:01:04,154 who was a friend of Lake's. 29 00:01:04,194 --> 00:01:07,244 - Charles Ng, now the object of a nationwide manhunt, 30 00:01:07,284 --> 00:01:10,164 has vowed not to be taken alive. 31 00:01:14,552 --> 00:01:21,432 ♪ 32 00:01:40,752 --> 00:01:44,542 ♪ 33 00:01:44,582 --> 00:01:47,672 - As a documentary filmmaker, I discovered the story 34 00:01:47,716 --> 00:01:50,716 of a woman by the name of Sharon Sellitto, 35 00:01:50,762 --> 00:01:53,202 whose brother Paul Cosner went missing 36 00:01:53,243 --> 00:01:57,773 and was possibly murdered in 1984, 37 00:01:57,813 --> 00:01:59,903 after placing an ad for his car 38 00:01:59,945 --> 00:02:02,295 in the "San Francisco Chronicle." 39 00:02:02,339 --> 00:02:05,259 Sharon had no idea she was going 40 00:02:05,299 --> 00:02:08,909 to spend the rest of her life trying to find him. 41 00:02:11,740 --> 00:02:18,790 ♪ 42 00:02:37,722 --> 00:02:44,512 ♪ 43 00:02:56,306 --> 00:02:58,786 - It's unbelievable that somebody lost 44 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:01,440 their life because of this. 45 00:03:01,485 --> 00:03:05,655 I know that's where Paul took his last breaths. 46 00:03:08,318 --> 00:03:13,238 I can't imagine the terror he felt. 47 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,150 Paul was my life. 48 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:19,155 And he stopped breathing, and Charles Ng is. 49 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:22,809 You, Charles Ng, you deserve to die. 50 00:03:25,857 --> 00:03:32,907 ♪ 51 00:03:37,347 --> 00:03:39,257 - At this point in the investigation, 52 00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:43,606 Charles Ng was a suspect in at least nine murders. 53 00:03:43,658 --> 00:03:46,878 But we didn't know at that point where he was. 54 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:50,624 Later, Lake's ex-wife, Claralyn Balazs, 55 00:03:50,665 --> 00:03:53,665 told us that she believed Charles Ng was 56 00:03:53,711 --> 00:03:57,371 going to Chicago, and then later into Canada. 57 00:03:57,411 --> 00:04:00,331 We were concerned that if Charles were able 58 00:04:00,370 --> 00:04:01,810 to get outof the country, it would certainly 59 00:04:01,850 --> 00:04:06,290 be much more difficult to find him and extradite him. 60 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:08,683 - It was an all-out manhunt for Charles Ng. 61 00:04:08,726 --> 00:04:13,036 He was immediately placed on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list. 62 00:04:13,078 --> 00:04:16,078 - This was a very well-publicized hunt 63 00:04:16,125 --> 00:04:17,775 for Charles Ng. 64 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:19,432 - Charles Ng is being hunted all over the country tonight. 65 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:21,296 - Ng is a former marine who was 66 00:04:21,348 --> 00:04:23,308 dishonorably discharged for stealing weapons 67 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:25,700 from a Marine Corps armory in Hawaii. 68 00:04:25,743 --> 00:04:29,093 Men who served with him say Ng, a martial arts expert, 69 00:04:29,138 --> 00:04:32,448 was a strange man who often talked of killing people. 70 00:04:32,489 --> 00:04:34,709 - He was a little off-center at times. 71 00:04:34,752 --> 00:04:38,542 Um, his main interest was just how to dispose of people. 72 00:04:38,582 --> 00:04:40,322 - It's not every day that you pick up the paper 73 00:04:40,367 --> 00:04:42,057 and find out that one of your neighbors 74 00:04:42,107 --> 00:04:45,017 is probably the most wanted man in the United States right now. 75 00:04:45,067 --> 00:04:47,237 - The investigation is now focusing 76 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:49,067 on Charles Ng, who is still at large. 77 00:04:49,114 --> 00:04:50,554 - Officials consider him dangerous. 78 00:04:50,594 --> 00:04:53,554 He has a military background in weapons and explosives, 79 00:04:53,597 --> 00:04:57,467 and police say he's vowed that he won't be taken alive. 80 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:00,558 - And after days of searching for Charles Ng, 81 00:05:00,604 --> 00:05:02,434 authorities finally got their first lead. 82 00:05:02,476 --> 00:05:06,086 A man fitting Ng's description had reportedly been spotted 83 00:05:06,131 --> 00:05:08,351 at San Francisco Airport. 84 00:05:08,395 --> 00:05:10,345 - Police learned that on June 2, 85 00:05:10,397 --> 00:05:12,827 Ng had hopped a flight to Chicago. 86 00:05:15,793 --> 00:05:17,103 ♪ 87 00:05:17,142 --> 00:05:19,412 - We had found out through the FBI 88 00:05:19,449 --> 00:05:22,229 that he stayed for about a week or so 89 00:05:22,278 --> 00:05:23,928 in the Chicago area, 90 00:05:23,975 --> 00:05:29,455 with people that he had met and known from prison. 91 00:05:29,503 --> 00:05:32,943 They helped him leave the Chicago area 92 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:35,514 and go into Canada. 93 00:05:35,552 --> 00:05:38,472 Once he got there, not quite sure where he went. 94 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:41,652 - Charles Ng proved to be an elusive fugitive, 95 00:05:41,689 --> 00:05:45,129 always remaining one step ahead of authorities. 96 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:48,960 Then there was a huge break in the case. 97 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,130 ♪ 98 00:05:52,177 --> 00:05:55,087 - Finally, after 34 days on the run, 99 00:05:55,137 --> 00:05:57,397 Charles Ng is spotted in Canada. 100 00:05:58,706 --> 00:06:00,616 - Charles Ng goes to a department store 101 00:06:00,664 --> 00:06:03,894 in Calgary, Alberta, where he shoplifts 102 00:06:03,928 --> 00:06:06,578 a can of smoked salmon. 103 00:06:06,627 --> 00:06:09,237 And he's observed by two security guards 104 00:06:09,281 --> 00:06:11,371 leaving the store with the smoked salmon. 105 00:06:13,024 --> 00:06:14,904 They catch Ng. 106 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:16,769 A struggle ensues. 107 00:06:16,811 --> 00:06:18,991 - I lunged into him with my shoulder, 108 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:20,680 and I tripped him up with my foot, 109 00:06:20,728 --> 00:06:23,168 and we all fell to the floor. 110 00:06:23,208 --> 00:06:25,338 He was pulling the gun out by that time. 111 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:27,465 And so I grabbed ahold of the gun. 112 00:06:27,517 --> 00:06:30,907 And he shot off one shot. 113 00:06:32,609 --> 00:06:35,179 - He pulls a gun and shoots the security officer 114 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:36,960 in the hand. 115 00:06:37,005 --> 00:06:40,435 A couple of Calgary police officers were outside. 116 00:06:40,487 --> 00:06:42,787 They heard the shot and the commotion going on. 117 00:06:42,837 --> 00:06:47,187 They come in and help wrestle Ng to the ground, 118 00:06:47,232 --> 00:06:48,842 and arrest him. 119 00:06:50,497 --> 00:06:53,197 When I found out that they had him in custody 120 00:06:53,238 --> 00:06:55,148 in Calgary, Canada, 121 00:06:55,197 --> 00:06:59,677 I immediately told the FBI, we need to book a flight. 122 00:06:59,723 --> 00:07:03,213 - Ng is the last hope police have in finding out 123 00:07:03,248 --> 00:07:04,948 what went on at the Lake property. 124 00:07:04,989 --> 00:07:07,249 - Although he has not yet been charged with murder, 125 00:07:07,296 --> 00:07:08,856 a Canadian attorney has advised him 126 00:07:08,906 --> 00:07:11,516 not to answer any questions about the videotapes that 127 00:07:11,561 --> 00:07:14,221 reportedly show him and Leonard Lake threatening women, 128 00:07:14,259 --> 00:07:15,699 or the sex torture chamber 129 00:07:15,739 --> 00:07:17,869 at Lake's remote hideaway in Wilseyville. 130 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:26,490 - I was home when I got the call 131 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:29,493 from the San Francisco Police Department. 132 00:07:29,536 --> 00:07:31,796 They said, sit down, Sharon. 133 00:07:31,842 --> 00:07:34,152 You're not going to believe it. 134 00:07:34,192 --> 00:07:37,022 They've caught him in Canada. 135 00:07:37,065 --> 00:07:39,015 And I was like, what? 136 00:07:39,067 --> 00:07:41,067 What? How? 137 00:07:41,112 --> 00:07:44,462 I was so happy, because I thought that it 138 00:07:44,507 --> 00:07:46,417 was the beginning of the end. 139 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:52,556 If nothing else, we wanted my brother's body back so badly. 140 00:07:53,647 --> 00:07:57,477 I thought I was going to be able to bring Paul home. 141 00:07:58,565 --> 00:08:00,475 - With Charles Ng now in custody, 142 00:08:00,523 --> 00:08:02,443 investigators were hopeful that they would 143 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:04,182 finally get some answers. 144 00:08:04,222 --> 00:08:06,832 Their goal was to get Ng back into the United States 145 00:08:06,877 --> 00:08:08,577 so that they could get justice. 146 00:08:08,618 --> 00:08:11,008 Not only for Paul Cosner, but for the rest 147 00:08:11,055 --> 00:08:13,005 of the victims and their families. 148 00:08:21,065 --> 00:08:22,455 - Charles Ng was arrested 149 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:24,462 at a Calgary department store yesterday, 150 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,204 when he shot a security guard in the hand. 151 00:08:26,244 --> 00:08:29,034 The guard had stopped him on suspicion of shoplifting. 152 00:08:30,335 --> 00:08:32,335 FBI agents and investigators 153 00:08:32,381 --> 00:08:33,951 from the San Francisco Police Department 154 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:35,651 and the Calaveras County Sheriff's Office 155 00:08:35,689 --> 00:08:37,649 arrived in Calgary today. 156 00:08:37,691 --> 00:08:39,211 - When we arrived in Canada, 157 00:08:39,257 --> 00:08:42,347 we were met by a large entourage of press 158 00:08:42,391 --> 00:08:44,481 filming us as we were going through the airport. 159 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:46,134 - Their first order of business, 160 00:08:46,177 --> 00:08:49,307 to interview Charles Ng. 161 00:08:49,354 --> 00:08:51,494 - We definitely wanted to find out 162 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:53,181 who some of these other people were, 163 00:08:53,228 --> 00:08:54,318 some of the other victims, 164 00:08:54,359 --> 00:08:55,879 who were some of the other bodies that 165 00:08:55,926 --> 00:08:57,316 were buried on the property. 166 00:08:57,362 --> 00:09:00,672 So we had a lot of questions for Charles Ng. 167 00:09:00,714 --> 00:09:03,464 - What investigators did know was that Charles Ng 168 00:09:03,499 --> 00:09:05,499 came from a wealthy family in Hong Kong, 169 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:10,065 and was expelled from several schools for petty theft. 170 00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:12,684 - He finally gets transferred out by his parents 171 00:09:12,726 --> 00:09:15,246 to his aunt in San Francisco. 172 00:09:15,293 --> 00:09:17,303 His thing is not to be in school. 173 00:09:17,339 --> 00:09:20,339 So he volunteered for the Marines. 174 00:09:20,385 --> 00:09:22,385 - But his compulsion for thievery 175 00:09:22,431 --> 00:09:25,091 eventually got him kicked out of the military 176 00:09:25,129 --> 00:09:26,649 and sent to prison. 177 00:09:26,696 --> 00:09:30,826 After his release, Charles Ng became an unstable drifter, 178 00:09:30,874 --> 00:09:32,624 eventually meeting Leonard Lake 179 00:09:32,659 --> 00:09:36,009 and descending further into darkness. 180 00:09:36,053 --> 00:09:38,363 - When Ng was arrested up in Canada, 181 00:09:38,403 --> 00:09:42,413 we were hoping to get him to talk. 182 00:09:42,451 --> 00:09:44,321 And we just tried to engage him 183 00:09:44,366 --> 00:09:47,016 in a little bit of conversation. 184 00:09:47,064 --> 00:09:51,074 He would not even respond to simple inquiries. 185 00:09:51,112 --> 00:09:53,812 He absolutely shut down. 186 00:09:54,681 --> 00:09:57,861 - During this time when Charles Ng was in custody, 187 00:09:57,901 --> 00:10:00,691 we were hoping for a quick extradition 188 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:03,120 back to the United States. 189 00:10:03,167 --> 00:10:04,687 That didn't happen. 190 00:10:04,734 --> 00:10:07,964 - Charles Ng had just been arrested in Calgary 191 00:10:07,998 --> 00:10:09,388 for shoplifting 192 00:10:09,434 --> 00:10:11,314 and shooting a security guard in the hand. 193 00:10:11,349 --> 00:10:13,049 So he was likely going to need to serve time 194 00:10:13,090 --> 00:10:14,400 up there in Canada 195 00:10:14,439 --> 00:10:17,309 before they could even talk extradition. 196 00:10:17,355 --> 00:10:20,655 - As for when Ng might be returned to the United States, 197 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:23,057 that is anybody's guess. 198 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:25,970 - When we found out that he was going 199 00:10:26,016 --> 00:10:27,706 to be tried in Canada 200 00:10:27,757 --> 00:10:31,667 for shooting the store guard in the hand, 201 00:10:31,718 --> 00:10:34,498 I was disappointed 'cause I thought that, 202 00:10:34,546 --> 00:10:38,286 compared to mass serial killing, 203 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:41,733 that they should have just put that aside. 204 00:10:41,771 --> 00:10:43,691 But I was afraid they were going 205 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:45,470 to send them back to China, 206 00:10:45,514 --> 00:10:47,694 and we'd never get any justice. 207 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:53,090 ♪ 208 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:55,480 - Meanwhile, back in Wilseyville, 209 00:10:55,524 --> 00:10:58,144 the investigation at Claralyn Balazs' cabin 210 00:10:58,179 --> 00:11:00,699 had already turned up at least three bodies, 211 00:11:00,747 --> 00:11:02,397 and burn piles containing the remains 212 00:11:02,444 --> 00:11:05,714 of an unknown number of additional victims. 213 00:11:05,752 --> 00:11:08,492 - It just keeps compiling and compiling. 214 00:11:08,537 --> 00:11:13,457 This has become a massive, monstrous investigation. 215 00:11:13,498 --> 00:11:16,458 - Investigators have filled over 50 bags 216 00:11:16,501 --> 00:11:18,461 with evidence and bone fragments. 217 00:11:18,503 --> 00:11:20,113 We can tell you that today they brought out 218 00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:22,807 more bags of human remains, more bags of evidence, 219 00:11:22,856 --> 00:11:24,636 to add to the 50 or so bags 220 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:26,254 that have already been brought out. 221 00:11:26,294 --> 00:11:28,564 - All we had time to do was just to dig up the bones, 222 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,730 put them in bags, and ship them to the coroner 223 00:11:31,778 --> 00:11:33,778 of San Francisco County. 224 00:11:33,823 --> 00:11:36,003 With the amount of bones that we had recovered 225 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:37,223 from the property, 226 00:11:37,261 --> 00:11:39,871 there could be between 23 and 32 people. 227 00:11:39,916 --> 00:11:41,696 ♪ 228 00:11:41,744 --> 00:11:44,624 - Despite the overwhelming amount of human remains, 229 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:46,970 the medical examiner just couldn't determine 230 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:49,970 who any of these victims might have been. 231 00:11:50,013 --> 00:11:53,673 At the time, DNA testing just simply wasn't 232 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:56,543 advanced enough to be of any benefit. 233 00:11:56,585 --> 00:12:01,545 - I would like to know which pile of incinerated bones 234 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:05,680 is my brother, so I can take what there is back to Ohio. 235 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,115 - While Sharon Sellitto and the other victims' families 236 00:12:08,162 --> 00:12:11,252 waited patiently for answers, back in Canada, 237 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:14,165 authorities pressed ahead with their own case 238 00:12:14,211 --> 00:12:15,691 against Charles Ng. 239 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,555 - Charles Ng will be in court tomorrow, 240 00:12:17,606 --> 00:12:19,346 where the charges will be read against him. 241 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:21,090 He is charged with attempted murder 242 00:12:21,131 --> 00:12:23,051 and possession of an illegal weapon. 243 00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:27,013 ♪ 244 00:12:27,050 --> 00:12:30,010 - Charles is convicted of shooting the security guard, 245 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:32,193 and ends up sentenced to 4 1/2 years 246 00:12:32,229 --> 00:12:34,409 in prison in Canada. 247 00:12:35,232 --> 00:12:37,712 For the U.S. investigators and the U.S. families, 248 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:39,187 it was a tough time. 249 00:12:39,236 --> 00:12:41,756 He had 4 1/2 years' sentence in prison 250 00:12:41,804 --> 00:12:43,724 before they could even consider 251 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:46,243 sending him back to the United States. 252 00:12:47,070 --> 00:12:49,590 - But the reality is, one of the major benefits 253 00:12:49,638 --> 00:12:52,548 of the delay was that during that four-year period 254 00:12:52,597 --> 00:12:55,167 of incarceration that he was in Canada, 255 00:12:55,209 --> 00:12:57,249 it gave us an opportunity to start 256 00:12:57,298 --> 00:12:59,558 getting the case together. 257 00:12:59,604 --> 00:13:04,314 Looking into the motives behind the murders, 258 00:13:04,348 --> 00:13:07,568 the financial motives, the sexual motives, 259 00:13:07,612 --> 00:13:09,752 plus the material goods that they had with them. 260 00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:11,269 Very complex. 261 00:13:11,312 --> 00:13:13,402 A lot of different moving parts that had to be examined. 262 00:13:15,272 --> 00:13:17,582 - One of the greatest lingering mysteries revolved 263 00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:19,712 around the photographs of 21 women 264 00:13:19,755 --> 00:13:23,015 found inside the bunker on the property in Wilseyville. 265 00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:25,755 - We certainly questioned whether or not 266 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:29,155 any of those women were possibly murdered 267 00:13:29,199 --> 00:13:31,679 by Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. 268 00:13:31,723 --> 00:13:34,643 - For authorities, it did provide an opportunity 269 00:13:34,683 --> 00:13:38,433 to question Leonard Lake's ex-wife, Claralyn Balazs, 270 00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:40,859 about these mysterious women. 271 00:13:40,907 --> 00:13:44,777 - And Claralyn admitted to us that Leonard Lake was 272 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:47,914 into photography, and that Leonard liked to take 273 00:13:47,957 --> 00:13:50,567 pictures of these young girls. 274 00:13:50,612 --> 00:13:52,052 She said, I just thought he was living 275 00:13:52,092 --> 00:13:54,492 this very active fantasy life. 276 00:13:54,529 --> 00:13:57,919 She played along with it, not really believing 277 00:13:57,967 --> 00:14:00,447 that he was intending to commit 278 00:14:00,491 --> 00:14:02,671 all these crimes and abduct women. 279 00:14:02,711 --> 00:14:04,761 - After we interviewed Claralyn Balazs, 280 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,800 she hired an attorney from Los Angeles. 281 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:12,107 And that was the end of any more interviews with Claralyn. 282 00:14:12,764 --> 00:14:14,854 - I have cooperated with the police 283 00:14:14,897 --> 00:14:16,807 to the best of my ability. 284 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,896 I wish to express my concern for the people affected 285 00:14:19,946 --> 00:14:21,986 by this investigation. 286 00:14:22,035 --> 00:14:24,905 On the advice of my attorneys, 287 00:14:24,951 --> 00:14:28,431 I will make no further statements at this time. 288 00:14:29,694 --> 00:14:31,784 - Despite the fact that Claralyn's property was 289 00:14:31,827 --> 00:14:34,307 clearly a crime scene, police could not prove 290 00:14:34,351 --> 00:14:36,311 that she had any involvement in the horrors 291 00:14:36,353 --> 00:14:37,703 that occurred there. 292 00:14:37,746 --> 00:14:40,526 So no charges were ever filed, 293 00:14:40,575 --> 00:14:43,355 and she simply walked away. 294 00:14:44,318 --> 00:14:46,278 - At that point in time, we needed 295 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,970 to find out who these ladies were. 296 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:50,847 We ended up deciding the best way to do this 297 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:52,500 is to go to the press 298 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:57,113 and show the photos of all the ladies through the media. 299 00:14:57,157 --> 00:15:01,337 We ended up identifying every one of those ladies, 300 00:15:01,378 --> 00:15:04,288 and I'm glad to say that all of them were safe. 301 00:15:04,338 --> 00:15:06,988 But they all had stories, because they had been 302 00:15:07,036 --> 00:15:09,336 photographed by Leonard Lake. 303 00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:11,686 - He just had me modeling guns, 304 00:15:11,736 --> 00:15:13,866 a lot of machine guns and wartime guns. 305 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:16,093 And there was modeling without the guns. 306 00:15:16,132 --> 00:15:17,442 - Mm-hmm. 307 00:15:17,481 --> 00:15:18,871 - That's about it. 308 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:21,138 He just was interested in taking pictures. 309 00:15:21,181 --> 00:15:22,571 - Finally, we had some good news 310 00:15:22,617 --> 00:15:24,357 coming out of Wilseyville. 311 00:15:27,013 --> 00:15:29,583 But back in Canada, 312 00:15:29,624 --> 00:15:32,244 Ng continued to maintain his silence. 313 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:34,369 - At this point, Ng had not confessed 314 00:15:34,411 --> 00:15:37,371 to participating in any of the atrocities that 315 00:15:37,414 --> 00:15:39,374 had occurred in Wilseyville. 316 00:15:39,416 --> 00:15:43,416 And then someone comes forward with information 317 00:15:43,464 --> 00:15:45,864 that blows the case wide open. 318 00:15:45,901 --> 00:15:48,901 ♪ 319 00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:56,961 - Charles Ng was in prison in Canada, 320 00:15:56,999 --> 00:15:58,349 serving his sentence up there. 321 00:15:58,392 --> 00:16:01,482 Another prisoner is put in a cell beside him. 322 00:16:01,525 --> 00:16:04,745 That prisoner is Maurice Laberge. 323 00:16:04,789 --> 00:16:08,839 Maurice is a career criminal from Saskatchewan. 324 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,800 He ends up befriending Charles in the cell next to him. 325 00:16:12,841 --> 00:16:15,021 As Charles got more comfortable with him, 326 00:16:15,061 --> 00:16:17,631 Charles is now bragging about his killings 327 00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:21,592 by sending pieces of paper with sketches and drawings 328 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,812 into the other cell. 329 00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:28,641 - I have here some of the sketches that 330 00:16:28,683 --> 00:16:32,513 Charles Ng had drawn for Maurice Laberge. 331 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,650 The majority of Ng's sketches had titles, 332 00:16:36,691 --> 00:16:40,701 and I have one here which is called, 333 00:16:40,738 --> 00:16:44,048 "Calaveras County Remains Claiming Section." 334 00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:47,531 The coroner, Boyd Stevens, is giving back 335 00:16:47,571 --> 00:16:50,011 remains to family members. 336 00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:52,882 Deborah Dubs' father is collecting the Dubs remains. 337 00:16:52,924 --> 00:16:54,884 And a family member is walking out 338 00:16:54,926 --> 00:16:58,706 with a bag that has the name Allen written on it, 339 00:16:58,756 --> 00:17:00,716 assuming this is Kathleen Allen 340 00:17:00,758 --> 00:17:02,668 from the "M-Ladies" tapes. 341 00:17:02,717 --> 00:17:05,807 On the table is a bag of human remains 342 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:09,380 belonging to Lake's next-door neighbors, 343 00:17:09,419 --> 00:17:11,469 the Bond family-- 344 00:17:11,508 --> 00:17:14,078 Lonnie Bond, Brenda O'Connor, 345 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:17,470 and their infant son, Lonnie Bond Jr., 346 00:17:17,514 --> 00:17:20,654 who were all murdered. 347 00:17:20,691 --> 00:17:23,171 Here's another sketch which Ng has titled, 348 00:17:23,216 --> 00:17:26,256 "San Quentin, Years Later," 349 00:17:26,306 --> 00:17:29,826 in which he depicts himself on a bed in a jail cell 350 00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:32,184 in San Quentin Prison. 351 00:17:32,225 --> 00:17:37,095 To his left, scribblings of his catchphrases, 352 00:17:37,143 --> 00:17:41,893 "No gun, no fun," and "No kill, no thrill." 353 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:45,800 And to his right is almost a trophy wall 354 00:17:45,847 --> 00:17:49,847 where he is depicting all of his victims. 355 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:55,344 And on that wall is Paul Cosner. 356 00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:57,768 ♪ 357 00:17:57,815 --> 00:17:59,985 Maurice Laberge had recognized Ng's confessions 358 00:18:00,035 --> 00:18:02,775 as his ticket to an early parole. 359 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:04,820 Through his attorney, he had struck a deal 360 00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:07,216 with investigators to become an informant. 361 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:09,260 Over the course of the next year and a half, 362 00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:12,435 Maurice had encouraged Charles Ng to divulge 363 00:18:12,482 --> 00:18:15,012 more information about his crimes. 364 00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:19,450 - Every time Charles would talk to Maurice, 365 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,749 Maurice would make notes. 366 00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:25,056 "I killed Kathleen Allen. 367 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:29,414 A round in the head of the no-good whore." 368 00:18:30,848 --> 00:18:33,808 Scott Stapley, which was the name that 369 00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:36,641 Leonard Lake used when he was being arrested. 370 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,160 "We picked him up in town, 371 00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:40,774 "and he wanted to get out right away. 372 00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:42,025 "He must have figured it out. 373 00:18:42,077 --> 00:18:44,297 "I put the gun in his mouth. 374 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:47,560 "I know there were witnesses when we grabbed Bond. 375 00:18:47,604 --> 00:18:49,954 "We thought Lonnie Bond had money stashed. 376 00:18:49,998 --> 00:18:51,168 "So we handcuffed him. 377 00:18:51,217 --> 00:18:54,217 "We killed Bond pretty quickly. 378 00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:55,833 "We got some serious good 379 00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:58,493 "big-time video equipment from the Dubs. 380 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:00,788 "Lake tied Harvey up in the corner, 381 00:19:00,835 --> 00:19:02,445 "then I grabbed Deborah's leg 382 00:19:02,489 --> 00:19:05,059 "and jammed her while he watched. 383 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:07,450 "After the kill, we kept what was good 384 00:19:07,494 --> 00:19:10,064 and buried their ID." 385 00:19:10,105 --> 00:19:12,185 - I think that one of the things that impacted me 386 00:19:12,238 --> 00:19:15,888 the most was to read the things that Ng had 387 00:19:15,937 --> 00:19:20,067 divulged to Maurice Laberge about Paul Cosner. 388 00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:24,341 - When Ng was in prison in Canada with Laberge, 389 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:27,340 he made a number of statements about Paul Cosner. 390 00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:30,213 Ng told him, quote, "Leonard found this guy who 391 00:19:30,256 --> 00:19:34,556 "looked like him, this Paul Cosner, 392 00:19:34,608 --> 00:19:37,608 and he wanted his car and his ID." 393 00:19:40,309 --> 00:19:44,569 "It was a hard operation, because Cosner 394 00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:47,398 wouldn't cooperate with us." 395 00:19:47,447 --> 00:19:50,537 ♪ 396 00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:52,410 "I shot him in the head." 397 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,423 - This is Ng saying that while he was 398 00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:00,979 sitting in the back of the car, 399 00:20:01,025 --> 00:20:03,545 he shot Paul Cosner in the head. 400 00:20:03,593 --> 00:20:05,943 This is almost as good as a confession 401 00:20:05,987 --> 00:20:08,897 that Paul Cosner, first of all, was shot and killed, 402 00:20:08,946 --> 00:20:11,596 and secondly, that it was Charles Ng 403 00:20:11,645 --> 00:20:13,645 who actually did the killing. 404 00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:18,350 ♪ 405 00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:21,091 - Authorities in the U.S. now had what they thought 406 00:20:21,132 --> 00:20:24,012 was solid enough evidence to not only prosecute 407 00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,138 Charles Ng for the murder of Paul Cosner, 408 00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:28,711 but for many of the other victims. 409 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:33,275 Their next battle was getting him back to California. 410 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,889 - The snag developed when California 411 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:37,850 asked to have Ng sent back. 412 00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:40,458 The Canadians said no. 413 00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:43,885 - In terms of the extradition, 414 00:20:43,938 --> 00:20:45,588 Canada had a provision in the law 415 00:20:45,635 --> 00:20:48,245 that they may refuse extradition 416 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:51,900 if the country the person is to be extradited to 417 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:53,376 has the death penalty. 418 00:20:53,426 --> 00:20:56,466 So they were initially wanting assurances 419 00:20:56,516 --> 00:20:57,906 from the U.S. authorities 420 00:20:57,952 --> 00:21:00,872 that the death penalty would not be charged. 421 00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,651 And the authorities here declined 422 00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:04,646 to give them that assurance. 423 00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:08,313 - Ng's extradition became 424 00:21:08,354 --> 00:21:10,444 a major civil rights issue in Canada. 425 00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:13,486 This was going to be the first time in Canadian history 426 00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,323 where someone facing extradition 427 00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:19,191 back to their country would face the death penalty. 428 00:21:19,234 --> 00:21:22,114 ♪ 429 00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:35,638 - It was beyond belief. 430 00:21:35,685 --> 00:21:39,645 We went through all the levels of government of Canada. 431 00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:41,909 We were begging them 432 00:21:41,952 --> 00:21:43,742 to send Charles Ng back, 433 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:46,870 to change the law, to make him be held 434 00:21:46,914 --> 00:21:49,354 accountable for his actions. 435 00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,215 The wait has been interminable. 436 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,306 I think he deserves the death penalty, 437 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,705 if anybody in the lifetime of crime 438 00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:58,270 deserved the death penalty. 439 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:01,277 - The first time I ever met Sharon Sellitto 440 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,320 was in Canada, when we were doing 441 00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:07,146 our petitions and everything. 442 00:22:07,195 --> 00:22:08,495 - Today in San Francisco-- 443 00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:11,374 - Every time she'd come on TV, my dad goes, 444 00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:13,067 there's our little firecracker! 445 00:22:13,114 --> 00:22:15,514 - Nothing has gone our way. 446 00:22:15,551 --> 00:22:17,031 It was like we were-- 447 00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:20,694 we were battling the Canadian government all this time. 448 00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:24,300 And I knew we were on the side of right and good. 449 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,173 - She didn't realize how much she was helping everybody. 450 00:22:27,215 --> 00:22:30,085 She was the only one that was asking the same questions 451 00:22:30,131 --> 00:22:31,741 that we wanted to know. 452 00:22:34,918 --> 00:22:36,358 ♪ 453 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,358 - By the summer of 1990, Charles Ng had served 454 00:22:39,401 --> 00:22:41,801 his 4 1/2 year sentence in Canada. 455 00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:43,798 And he was transferred to another prison, 456 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,760 while his extradition case moved through 457 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,499 the Canadian court system. 458 00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:51,023 - The case ends up going all the way 459 00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:53,325 to the Canadian Supreme Court. 460 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:56,332 Those nine justices were going to have to decide 461 00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:59,465 if Canada would be willing to extradite somebody 462 00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:00,808 for the death penalty. 463 00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:02,377 It was a huge deal. 464 00:23:02,424 --> 00:23:04,994 ♪ 465 00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:06,205 - Good evening. 466 00:23:06,254 --> 00:23:07,524 Topping our news tonight, the ruling that 467 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,650 could bring a mass murder suspect to trial. 468 00:23:09,692 --> 00:23:12,832 A Canadian judge ruled today that Charles Ng can 469 00:23:12,869 --> 00:23:14,609 be extradited to California. 470 00:23:14,654 --> 00:23:16,054 The Canadian Supreme Court, 471 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:18,790 in a close four to three decision, said today-- 472 00:23:18,832 --> 00:23:20,402 said that Ng could be extradited, 473 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:23,182 regardless of what penalty faced him here in California. 474 00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:25,007 - Family members of the victims said they were 475 00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:26,705 relieved to hear the ruling. 476 00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:29,933 - We were starting to feel that it was never going to happen. 477 00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:31,503 My mother was worried that she wouldn't 478 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:36,150 even live long enough to see him return to California. 479 00:23:37,067 --> 00:23:39,107 - As soon as the ruling was made, 480 00:23:39,156 --> 00:23:41,896 Charles Ng was taken out of his cell 481 00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:46,602 and loaded up into a van that brought him to the airport. 482 00:23:49,689 --> 00:23:51,999 ♪ 483 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:54,609 - When the plane took off from Canada 484 00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:56,480 with Charles Ng on board, 485 00:23:56,522 --> 00:23:59,392 the officers called me when they were going 486 00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:02,878 over the border from Canada to the United States 487 00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:04,229 to tell me, Sharon, 488 00:24:04,268 --> 00:24:06,788 Charles Ng's on his way to justice. 489 00:24:06,836 --> 00:24:10,836 And it was the first time 490 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:14,104 I felt happy 491 00:24:14,148 --> 00:24:19,588 and smiled and laughed in... 492 00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:21,902 seven years, 493 00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,938 and it was the best news ever. 494 00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:29,116 ♪ 495 00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:31,643 - We touched down in Sacramento. 496 00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:35,127 The Department of Corrections van was there to greet us. 497 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:37,479 As they brought him out of the airplane in shackles 498 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,179 and turned him over to the Department of Corrections, 499 00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:43,698 there was a lot of smiles, a lot of handshakes, 500 00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:45,273 a lot of hugs going on. 501 00:24:45,309 --> 00:24:47,489 - Sitting behind bars in Folsom Prison 502 00:24:47,529 --> 00:24:49,359 is Charles Ng, the man accused 503 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,490 in the sex torture slayings six years ago. 504 00:24:55,232 --> 00:24:58,632 - I thought we were on the first step to justice. 505 00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:02,370 They were finally going to have a hearing. 506 00:25:02,413 --> 00:25:04,463 And so Mother came from Ohio, 507 00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,643 and we drove up to make sure we were there. 508 00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:12,034 When we got there, they had sharpshooters 509 00:25:12,075 --> 00:25:14,295 on the roof of the courthouse. 510 00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:17,468 They had sharpshooters in the woods. 511 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:21,036 - Charles Ng was public enemy number one. 512 00:25:21,084 --> 00:25:23,304 He received many death threats, 513 00:25:23,347 --> 00:25:25,917 and authorities weren't taking any chances. 514 00:25:25,959 --> 00:25:28,739 ♪ 515 00:25:28,788 --> 00:25:30,438 - Security was tight outside 516 00:25:30,485 --> 00:25:33,395 the Calaveras County Courthouse this afternoon. 517 00:25:33,444 --> 00:25:37,014 All this for suspected mass murderer Charles Ng. 518 00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:39,187 The court charged Ng with 11 murders, 519 00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:41,453 two counts of conspiracy to commit murder, 520 00:25:41,496 --> 00:25:43,236 three kidnappings, and a burglary. 521 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,200 The prosecutor says he plans 522 00:25:45,239 --> 00:25:46,979 to charge Ng with a 12th murder, 523 00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:48,503 for the death of Paul Cosner. 524 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:51,547 Cosner's sister was in the courtroom today. 525 00:25:59,775 --> 00:26:02,255 ♪ 526 00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:05,299 - Ng had been charged officially with 12 murders, 527 00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:08,736 but he wasn't going to go down without a fight. 528 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:15,050 - Charles gets into all these legal ramblings, 529 00:26:15,095 --> 00:26:19,225 firing attorneys, every delay tactic he can. 530 00:26:19,273 --> 00:26:21,363 - Ng made more complaints in court this afternoon 531 00:26:21,405 --> 00:26:24,095 about getting cold food, about getting carsick 532 00:26:24,147 --> 00:26:25,707 while being driven from Folsom, 533 00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:28,538 and not getting enough exercise while he was in court. 534 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:32,327 - Charles Ng used every legal maneuver to elude trial, 535 00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:34,903 including filing a motion for a change of venue 536 00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:36,601 outside of Calaveras County. 537 00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,208 This went on for years and weighed heavily 538 00:26:39,249 --> 00:26:41,029 on the families of the victims, 539 00:26:41,077 --> 00:26:42,777 especially Sharon Sellitto. 540 00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:45,128 - I just want to know when we're ever going to get around 541 00:26:45,168 --> 00:26:46,818 to the victims to the crime. 542 00:26:46,866 --> 00:26:48,816 I don't care if he's hot. 543 00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:49,828 I don't care if he's cold. 544 00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:50,959 I don't care if he's sick. 545 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,050 I don't care if he's healthy. 546 00:26:52,088 --> 00:26:53,348 I don't care if he's hungry. 547 00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:55,224 I don't care if he's too full. 548 00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:56,475 Let's get on with the crime. 549 00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:58,227 I want to know about the victims. 550 00:26:58,268 --> 00:27:01,268 I don't care about Charlie Ng. 551 00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:07,453 - Charles Ng delays this trial by seven years. 552 00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:10,235 But finally, the trial date is set. 553 00:27:13,196 --> 00:27:15,016 ♪ 554 00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:17,288 - There was a collective sigh of relief 555 00:27:17,331 --> 00:27:19,681 that this was finally, finally happening, 556 00:27:19,725 --> 00:27:22,465 after so many years of waiting. 557 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:24,430 There was a lot of security. 558 00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:26,428 There was a lot of media attention. 559 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:28,260 The courtroom was packed. 560 00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,818 - We were finally going to see justice. 561 00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:34,216 We had hopes of learning, 562 00:27:34,261 --> 00:27:37,051 through the trial process, where Paul was. 563 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:39,050 We thought we'd find out, 564 00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:41,882 and then we could recover his body. 565 00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:45,051 ♪ 566 00:27:45,098 --> 00:27:46,528 - They found evidence of-- 567 00:27:46,577 --> 00:27:49,447 - The prosecutors were confident the jury were 568 00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:51,803 going to convict Charles Ng. 569 00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:55,457 They had the M-Ladies tapes, 570 00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:57,459 they had the notes and sketches that Ng had sent 571 00:27:57,501 --> 00:27:59,631 to prison informant Maurice Laberge, 572 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:02,458 and they had Leonard Lake's diary. 573 00:28:02,506 --> 00:28:05,116 - The prosecution really needed his diary 574 00:28:05,161 --> 00:28:06,551 to be admitted as evidence, 575 00:28:06,597 --> 00:28:09,117 because it implicated Charles Ng in the murder 576 00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:12,385 and disappearance of Paul Cosner. 577 00:28:12,429 --> 00:28:15,559 But judges often label diaries as hearsay, 578 00:28:15,606 --> 00:28:18,646 especially if the person who wrote it is dead. 579 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,567 The big question in the courtroom, 580 00:28:20,611 --> 00:28:23,791 would Leonard Lake's diary be admissible as evidence? 581 00:28:23,832 --> 00:28:26,362 ♪ 582 00:28:31,666 --> 00:28:33,536 ♪ 583 00:28:33,581 --> 00:28:36,411 - The big question inside the courtroom, 584 00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,633 would Leonard Lake's diary be admissible? 585 00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,294 All the evidence they needed to convict Charles Ng 586 00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:44,939 was right there, right on the page. 587 00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:46,334 But Leonard Lake was dead, 588 00:28:46,376 --> 00:28:48,466 so it was difficult to confirm what was true 589 00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:50,509 or what he might have made up or embellished. 590 00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:53,824 In the end, the judge deemed the diary hearsay, 591 00:28:53,862 --> 00:28:56,172 and it was excluded from the trial. 592 00:28:57,997 --> 00:29:01,437 So this was a serious blow to the prosecution. 593 00:29:03,524 --> 00:29:06,274 - By that time, I knew about Lake's diary, 594 00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:10,439 and where it said that they had murdered Paul together. 595 00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:13,576 It was just horrible. 596 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:18,226 - Fortunately, the prosecution did have other key evidence 597 00:29:18,278 --> 00:29:20,538 they could lean back on. 598 00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,944 The M-Lady tapes. 599 00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:23,938 Let's face it. 600 00:29:23,979 --> 00:29:25,289 That's extremely damning evidence. 601 00:29:25,328 --> 00:29:26,548 You've got Leonard Lake there. 602 00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:27,810 You've got Charlie there. 603 00:29:27,853 --> 00:29:29,253 You've got the victims there. 604 00:29:29,289 --> 00:29:30,549 And they outline everything that they're 605 00:29:30,594 --> 00:29:32,124 going to do to them. 606 00:29:44,521 --> 00:29:46,001 - Now, when that tape is played tomorrow, 607 00:29:46,045 --> 00:29:48,175 the public will be banned from the courtroom. 608 00:29:48,221 --> 00:29:51,051 Except for the family members of the alleged victims, 609 00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:54,583 who for the first time may actually see the terror 610 00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:56,188 their loved ones endured. 611 00:29:59,188 --> 00:30:03,978 ♪ 612 00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:07,719 - Right off the bat, the jury is shown exactly 613 00:30:07,762 --> 00:30:10,772 what Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are like. 614 00:30:16,423 --> 00:30:17,953 - When she played the tapes, 615 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:20,120 you could cut the tension with a knife. 616 00:30:20,166 --> 00:30:21,986 It was a very tense moment. 617 00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:31,479 - Victims' family members were crying. 618 00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:34,005 It was an emotional moment for them. 619 00:30:44,712 --> 00:30:47,322 - It was graphic and disgusting 620 00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,197 and difficult to watch. 621 00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:53,197 The tape was just that overwhelming. 622 00:30:56,942 --> 00:30:59,552 - That's something I could never watch. 623 00:31:00,206 --> 00:31:05,426 And I asked them, was my sister murdered on tape? 624 00:31:05,472 --> 00:31:07,522 And they told me, no, she was just tortured. 625 00:31:07,561 --> 00:31:11,261 ♪ 626 00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:14,874 I know my sister suffered. 627 00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:21,013 - The defense says, despite offensive images shown 628 00:31:21,053 --> 00:31:23,323 in court of Charles Ng on videotape 629 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:27,279 cutting off a woman's clothes, he did not kill anyone. 630 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,100 - You can't like Charles Ng, folks. 631 00:31:29,148 --> 00:31:31,368 It's impossible. 632 00:31:31,411 --> 00:31:34,071 But you have to set that aside and say, 633 00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:36,369 have they proven that he murdered-- 634 00:31:36,416 --> 00:31:39,586 actually killed, or conspired to kill? 635 00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:42,026 - So William Kelley's whole theory was 636 00:31:42,074 --> 00:31:44,254 to make Lake the killer, 637 00:31:44,293 --> 00:31:45,903 and to make Charles Ng 638 00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:47,947 just an accomplice to some other deeds, 639 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,863 but definitely not the killing. 640 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,428 Maybe he was guilty of sexual assault 641 00:31:52,475 --> 00:31:54,385 or some other crimes. 642 00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:56,834 But he's on trial for murder. 643 00:31:56,871 --> 00:31:59,741 - It was Bill Kelley's intent for Charles Ng 644 00:31:59,787 --> 00:32:01,397 to never testify, 645 00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:04,011 never get anywhere near the witness box. 646 00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:07,532 He knew that it would damage the case. 647 00:32:07,577 --> 00:32:10,357 - But then, against his attorney's advice, 648 00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:12,016 and at the 11th hour, 649 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,850 Charles Ng decided to take the stand. 650 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:18,240 - He wasn't going to let anybody else 651 00:32:18,284 --> 00:32:20,074 get in the way of showing that 652 00:32:20,112 --> 00:32:22,032 he was innocent of these murders. 653 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:24,070 He didn't care what his attorneys had done. 654 00:32:24,116 --> 00:32:27,676 It was going to be the Charles Ng show. 655 00:32:27,728 --> 00:32:30,768 - I think it was a huge tactical error on his part, 656 00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:33,648 in order to try to explain away things 657 00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:36,430 and, again, try to blame Leonard Lake. 658 00:32:36,476 --> 00:32:38,776 And I think it failed miserably. 659 00:32:40,349 --> 00:32:43,439 - The prosecutor produced sketches depicting Charlie 660 00:32:43,483 --> 00:32:45,663 cooking a baby in a wok, and asked him 661 00:32:45,702 --> 00:32:48,442 if he had written the words on the sketch, 662 00:32:48,488 --> 00:32:52,138 "Daddy dies, mommy cries, baby fries." 663 00:32:53,754 --> 00:32:57,284 Charlie said he had, but he dismissed the sketch 664 00:32:57,323 --> 00:32:59,283 as an attempt at black humor. 665 00:32:59,325 --> 00:33:02,015 But it was difficult for a jury to find any humor 666 00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:04,937 in the drawings that depicted killing babies, 667 00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:08,683 because what kind of person would do these things? 668 00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:16,299 ♪ 669 00:33:16,342 --> 00:33:19,212 - By the end of the trial, it was anyone's guess 670 00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:20,688 what the jury was thinking. 671 00:33:21,695 --> 00:33:25,045 - When the jury finally went out, 672 00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:27,350 we of course were hoping for justice. 673 00:33:28,876 --> 00:33:30,786 Finally, on the 13th day, 674 00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:33,534 we got a call that said, you have two hours 675 00:33:33,576 --> 00:33:35,486 to get back to the courthouse. 676 00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:37,795 The jury's reached a verdict. 677 00:33:40,975 --> 00:33:43,715 ♪ 678 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,630 - We, the jury, in the above entitled case, 679 00:33:46,676 --> 00:33:51,156 find the defendant, Charles Chitat Ng... 680 00:33:51,203 --> 00:33:54,253 ♪ 681 00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:55,773 Guilty. 682 00:33:57,905 --> 00:34:00,815 - The word "guilty" echoed through the courtroom 683 00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:02,264 again and again. 684 00:34:02,301 --> 00:34:05,741 After 14 years, Ng was no longer a defendant. 685 00:34:05,782 --> 00:34:07,782 He was a convicted serial killer. 686 00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:10,398 - Guilty verdicts come in for the victims, 687 00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:14,399 including the murders of Harvey Dubs, Deborah Dubs, 688 00:34:14,443 --> 00:34:16,403 their 18-month baby, Sean, 689 00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:19,095 followed by the two men found in the sleeping bags, 690 00:34:19,144 --> 00:34:22,104 Lonnie Bond and Scott Stapley. 691 00:34:22,147 --> 00:34:23,887 Guilty verdicts were read for the two women 692 00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:25,541 from the M-Ladies tape, 693 00:34:25,585 --> 00:34:28,275 Kathy Allen and Brenda O'Connor, 694 00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:30,497 and her infant son. 695 00:34:30,546 --> 00:34:35,376 - When the verdict came in, it was on my sister's birthday. 696 00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:36,811 We were all happy. 697 00:34:36,857 --> 00:34:38,207 We were all crying. 698 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:39,900 We were all hugging. 699 00:34:39,947 --> 00:34:42,517 We-- 700 00:34:42,558 --> 00:34:45,208 but Sharon wasn't. 701 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,740 - Charles Ng had been convicted on every count of murder, 702 00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:51,834 except for one-- 703 00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:53,872 the murder of Paul Cosner. 704 00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:04,835 ♪ 705 00:35:04,885 --> 00:35:07,405 - We, the jury, in the above entitled case, 706 00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:11,763 find the defendant, Charles Chitat Ng, 707 00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:13,235 guilty. 708 00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:18,547 - Charles Ng, guilty of murder not once, but 11 times. 709 00:35:18,594 --> 00:35:20,904 - The mass murderer showed no emotion, 710 00:35:20,944 --> 00:35:22,344 but some relatives of the victims 711 00:35:22,381 --> 00:35:24,171 smiled and nodded with approval. 712 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,249 - For Sharon Sellitto, no such joy. 713 00:35:26,298 --> 00:35:27,908 Just bitter disappointment. 714 00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:30,171 The jury could not agree on the murder 715 00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:31,905 of her brother, Paul Cosner. 716 00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:35,515 - They had said guilty all those times 717 00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:36,918 for everybody else. 718 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,490 And there wasn't a guilty for Paul. 719 00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:43,269 And I was sitting there with my arm around Mother, 720 00:35:43,315 --> 00:35:46,315 and she had her hands in her lap, 721 00:35:46,361 --> 00:35:49,321 and her hands were just filling up with tears. 722 00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:53,464 And they were running over her hands and down her leg 723 00:35:53,499 --> 00:35:55,199 to the floor. 724 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,110 - That wasn't fair to Sharon. 725 00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:00,105 All the work, all the time, 726 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:02,418 all the people she helped. 727 00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:05,214 And then it was her brother that 728 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:07,120 came back with not guilty. 729 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,725 And that wasn't right. 730 00:36:08,775 --> 00:36:12,815 So you're all happy and elated, then you're all pissed. 731 00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,956 Why? Why not Paul? 732 00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:22,220 - If Leonard Lake's diary had been entered into evidence, 733 00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:25,657 I feel that Charles Ng would have been 734 00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,915 charged with a 12th murder. 735 00:36:27,968 --> 00:36:31,228 The entries in there implicated him 736 00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:34,366 as potentially being the killer. 737 00:36:35,367 --> 00:36:39,677 I feel that Sharon Sellitto had 738 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,639 been served a gross injustice. 739 00:36:42,678 --> 00:36:45,858 - Bonnie, you couldn't vote to find him guilty. 740 00:36:45,899 --> 00:36:47,249 Why not? 741 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,422 - I felt there was still a little bit of a doubt. 742 00:36:49,468 --> 00:36:52,168 - But I was absolutely, without a doubt, sure. 743 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:53,910 - I'm sure he did it. 744 00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:55,260 But they didn't prove it. 745 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,170 - Now comes the penalty phase. 746 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,475 It's scheduled to start the second week of March, 747 00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:02,791 and prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty. 748 00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:07,529 ♪ 749 00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:09,713 - The judge allowed the family members 750 00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:12,189 to give impact statements, talk about their loved ones 751 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,710 that they lost. 752 00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:19,670 And that, to me, was really heart-wrenching, 753 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:21,535 to see the pain and anguish. 754 00:37:21,587 --> 00:37:24,547 - I just wanted to come up here and stand before you, 755 00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:27,680 and tell you that my sister was loved, 756 00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:31,163 and is missed very, very much. 757 00:37:31,205 --> 00:37:35,555 - May God forgive me, but I want Charles Ng dead. 758 00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,341 - This is part of my victim impact statement 759 00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:41,476 that the judge allowed me to read. 760 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,780 "You have shown nothing but contempt for life. 761 00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:46,527 "You have killed many people. 762 00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:50,218 "Not only my brother, but that you killed so many others 763 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,748 "who have no one to speak on their behalf. 764 00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:55,322 "But now it's over, Charlie. 765 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,670 You must be put to death." 766 00:37:59,842 --> 00:38:02,242 - It took 14 long, grueling years, 767 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,330 but families of the victims finally heard 768 00:38:04,369 --> 00:38:06,239 the words they wanted to hear. 769 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,594 The judge agreed with the jury's recommendation. 770 00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:11,554 Charles Ng will die for his crimes. 771 00:38:11,593 --> 00:38:14,293 - It is the order of this court that 772 00:38:14,335 --> 00:38:16,855 you shall be punished by death. 773 00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:20,252 - When they said the death sentence, 774 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,078 you could hear the screams. 775 00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:23,425 We were elated. 776 00:38:23,475 --> 00:38:26,035 Charles Ng was just so whiny. 777 00:38:26,086 --> 00:38:29,086 And he didn't get no sleep, he was tired. 778 00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:32,352 I stood up, and I bent over, 779 00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:34,397 and he was right in front of me. 780 00:38:34,442 --> 00:38:39,102 And I told him, bet you're wide awake now. 781 00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:49,238 ♪ 782 00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:09,171 ♪ 783 00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:12,613 - When I first set out on this journey, 784 00:39:12,654 --> 00:39:14,614 all I wanted to do was tell the story 785 00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:16,396 of the most gruesome serial murder case 786 00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,091 Ain California's history. 787 00:39:19,748 --> 00:39:22,708 And in Sharon Sellitto, I met a woman 788 00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:25,751 who, for me, is the definition of the words 789 00:39:25,798 --> 00:39:28,498 resilience and strength. 790 00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:31,330 ♪ 791 00:39:36,112 --> 00:39:39,332 - Well, obviously, from what I've been through, 792 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,547 I discovered that life isn't fair. 793 00:39:42,597 --> 00:39:47,647 And if this doesn't prove it, nothing has. 794 00:39:47,689 --> 00:39:54,829 ♪ 795 00:39:57,873 --> 00:40:01,013 - I have all the admiration in the world for Sharon. 796 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:02,790 I can't think of anything or anybody else 797 00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:05,615 in the world that has ever been that dedicated. 798 00:40:05,664 --> 00:40:12,714 ♪ 799 00:40:18,764 --> 00:40:20,724 - Hi, Sharon. - Hi. 800 00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:23,898 - God bless her. 801 00:40:23,943 --> 00:40:25,903 I mean, what can you say? 802 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:28,990 Hard place to come to. 803 00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:30,815 - I know. 804 00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,083 But it feels exactly the same. 805 00:40:33,126 --> 00:40:35,076 - Same. Yeah. 806 00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:36,168 - It does feel the same. 807 00:40:36,216 --> 00:40:38,826 - 37 years since-- 808 00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:40,791 - Yeah. - Long time. 809 00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:42,219 - Half my life. 810 00:40:42,265 --> 00:40:44,395 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 811 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:45,882 - Grandma picked roses. 812 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:48,401 And she took them to Mother at the hospital 813 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,136 to celebrate Paul's birth. 814 00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:52,746 These are from Grandma's roses in Ohio. 815 00:40:52,798 --> 00:40:54,228 - Seriously? - Wow. 816 00:40:54,277 --> 00:40:57,847 - I brought it up here to spread some of the petals. 817 00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:59,280 - Wow. 818 00:40:59,326 --> 00:41:02,676 - To make Mother happy, Grandma happy, Paul happy. 819 00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:05,251 And me happy too. 820 00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:07,378 This is from Mother. 821 00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:10,381 And this is from Grandma. 822 00:41:10,424 --> 00:41:16,434 And it's to take some of the murder out of this land. 823 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:17,954 This is for Paul, 824 00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:21,387 to celebrate Paul Steven Cosner. 825 00:41:21,435 --> 00:41:26,135 For many years, I thought about this every day. 826 00:41:26,179 --> 00:41:27,529 Here, Paulie. 827 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,792 These are finally here. 828 00:41:31,271 --> 00:41:34,451 I don't think about it every day now. 829 00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:37,625 God bless you. 830 00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:41,719 There isn't anything else I can do. 831 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,500 God bless you. 832 00:41:43,544 --> 00:41:47,074 I guess I've learned to live with it. 833 00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:49,683 ♪ 834 00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:53,214 I try to live past it and around it, 835 00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:57,779 but I don't think I can ever forget it. 836 00:41:57,819 --> 00:42:04,959 ♪ 837 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,460 ♪ 838 00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,499 - Well, some new developments in a mass murder 839 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,285 that happened in Calaveras County back in 1985. 840 00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:32,110 The remains of some of the victims 841 00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:33,768 were exhumed for DNA testing. 842 00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:37,472 - Right now, as we speak, the Department of Justice 843 00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:40,731 is, through DNA, attempting to identify 844 00:42:40,775 --> 00:42:44,645 other human remains that were found on the property. 845 00:42:44,692 --> 00:42:46,912 - I would very much like to find Paul, 846 00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:50,305 and take him back and bury him next to Mother. 847 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:54,220 DNA has become much more advanced. 848 00:42:54,267 --> 00:42:55,827 I'm very optimistic. 849 00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:59,267 I sure am hoping that I'm the lucky one. 850 00:42:59,315 --> 00:43:06,445 ♪ 64127

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