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April 26th, 2010,
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That's the day
that we adopted natalia.
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By the time we get
to the end of 2012,
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We've been living
with a sociopath,
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Trying to kill us everyday.
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We don't know who she is,
we don't know how old she is.
She won't admit who she is.
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She won't tell us
the truth of who she is.
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Doctors have told us
she's nowhere near
the age you were told.
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And we've actually filed
our motion in
marion county court
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For her case to be heard
to have her age corrected
to something more appropriate.
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The judge had a petition
prepared by an attorney
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That would lay out
the arguments
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For why this person
is not eight.
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They believe
she is actually an adult.
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Nobody knows quite
what... What age,
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But she has not grown
in four years.
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So the judge came up
with his own little formula,
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"well, you stop growing at 18.
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If she hasn't grown
in four years,
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Then she's at least 18
when she entered their lives,
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And i'm gonna add four years."
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He said, "okay,
i find you 22."
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At the time
that she was re-Aged,
i knew she was an adult.
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Did i know it was 18,
22, 35, 150?
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No.
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Re-Aging is not unusual,
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It does happen
in international adoptions.
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A couple years
might be shaved off
the age of the child
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Because it's more attractive
to adoptive families,
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The younger the child is.
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And at least,
that's the belief.
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So...
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Oh, i can buy
a couple of years, right?
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Like, she's not really eight,
she's 10 or 11 or something.
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But to jump 14 years to 22,
it doesn't make sense.
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At the time of the re-Aging,
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There was good,
solid documentation
of an approximate age.
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And she had
a primary care physician
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That looked at all of it
and also provided evidence.
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So that doctor
was looking at lots
of other doctors' information
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And coming up
with a determination.
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And then at that point,
when it's such a huge
amount of years,
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You... You just have to say
what makes the most sense
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Based upon the evidence
and the professionals,
what they think.
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And that it's in the best
interest of the child
to change their age.
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You know, i'm not the doctor
and i'm not the judge,
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But i felt like it was based
on something credible.
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They give her
a new birth certificate,
well, a new birthday.
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They give her
a new indiana id.
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She had... Everything
changes from her year
of birth of 2003.
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Back it up 14 years to 1989.
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When i was at the hospital,
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They signed the paperwork
and got me re-Aged.
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- So—
can you
tell me about that?
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I don't even know
what to say about it...
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Yeah?
- ... Because i don't know
what happened.
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Yeah, just kind
of tell me what you know.
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I just know that i had
got out of the hospital.
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And she got me an apartment.
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Barnetts were...
Were very concerned
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About having her
back in their home.
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But kristine
wants to make sure
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She's got a good
place to live.
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So kristine and her
go out the next day,
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And they find her
an apartment in westfield.
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Westfield, indiana, is in
hamilton county, indiana.
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Hamilton county, indiana,
is in the richest part
of the state.
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It's a... A single-Floor
apartment complex.
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She's got a living room,
she's got a... A dining room,
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She's got a little
eat-In kitchen,
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She's got a bathroom,
and she's got a bedroom.
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Kristine and natalia
signed the lease.
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They paid the first
three months upfront.
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Moving day
into natalia's apartment,
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And i know we gave
natalia some furniture
out of our home.
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We got groceries for her.
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And it was just...
It's pretty basic stuff.
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There's not a lot
of tale to tell there.
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I think that, um,
kristine didn't know
what to do with natalia.
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So why not put her
in an apartment
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And say she's 22?
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I'm sue mccallum,
and i was a neighbor
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To natalia when we lived
in the westfield apartments.
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Okay, now what?
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I just met her
by accident one day.
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I see her mom setting
out all her groceries sacks
on the sidewalk
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And i thought, her back
was to me and i thought,
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"my gosh, that poor
little girl carrying
those groceries."
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And so, i went up there.
I was going to the mailbox,
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And i said, "well, honey,
do you need some help?"
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And i said,
"where is your mom?"
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And she turned around,
she said, "i'm 22."
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I expected her to have...
You know, well, young,
but she's not.
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She was an adult,
you could tell
by looking at her.
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And, well, her mom
had a cadillac.
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And she was sitting
in her cadillac
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While i was helping her
carry the groceries in
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Because she just left 'em
on the sidewalk.
And left 'em, uh...
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Just sat there
and watched us carry it in,
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And she didn't even
roll down the window
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And say, "thanks
for helping her,"
or nothing, nothing.
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She just sat there and looked
and then...
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Took off.
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I thought it was rude
because natalia couldn't...
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Hardly open
the darn front door,
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You know, work
the key and get it.
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So i took 'em in
and carried them
into the, um, kitchen for her.
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And so, you know, i took
her to the grocery store
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A couple times,
and she was also
on food stamps.
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She had a food stamp card
when i take her
to the grocery store.
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And i thought, "well,
if you can drive a cadillac,
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Why can't you take
better care of her?"
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You know?
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My name is melanie.
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My husband and i,
we're both
natalia's neighbors
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In westfield, indiana.
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The first time
i met natalia,
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I think it was just
my wife and i,
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We were planting some flowers.
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She just came
running across the street
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And, you know, i remember
my wife and i looking
at each other
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And... And just,
you know, like, "what's...
What's going on here?"
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And at first,
it stressed me out,
because i thought
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She was just a little kid
crossing the street.
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And then she came over
and started talking to us,
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And, you know,
it definitely wasn't a child.
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Um, uh, it was super nice,
expressed herself well
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And, you know, just
was being friendly with us.
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She introduces herself,
sits right down,
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Starts up conversation like
we've been friends for years.
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So... And that didn't
bother me...
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At the time.
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At the time.
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My name's andrew rice.
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Um, i'm an auto mechanic,
ase master certified mechanic.
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I used to live
on catherine drive
in westfield, indiana.
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One day, my grandson
was in the driveway playing.
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It was about 60 degrees out.
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And, uh, my wife
went in the house
for just a moment,
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And i followed her in,
and then when i looked
out the window,
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There was a little person
walking up our...
Into our yard,
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Up toward our garage.
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And she started
talking to my grandson,
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And they started
playing in the driveway.
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They were riding
the electric motorcycle
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Up and down the driveway
and having races.
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On your mark...
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Get set, go.
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Go, go,
go, go, go, go.
Come on!
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My first impression
of natalia was that, um,
she was a... A little person.
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I didn't necessarily think
she was a child at first.
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Um, and as we got
to speak with her,
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She actually admitted
that she was 26 years old
at that point.
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Um, and she told us
that she lived
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In the apartments
down the street,
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Um, which were only
two to three houses
down across the street.
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Thirteen different leaders...
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Ohhh! Oh, no...
I'm on the grass.
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- There.
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Ah, ah, ah.
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But as the sun started
to set, it started to cool
down a little bit,
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And i know natalia
didn't have a jacket
on that day,
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And we were jacketed up
because it started
getting cool.
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It also seemed like
she hadn't done
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Some of the basic
hygienic things
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That most people
would normally do.
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Um, her was
a little bit dirty,
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And there was...
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For lack of a better word,
an unpleasant body odor,
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Um, that she emitted.
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She wasn't
a very clean person.
She had her body odor.
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And she wore the same
clothes for days and days
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Before she changed.
And her shoes were
all worn and scuffed up,
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But part of it was the way
she had to walk.
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And, you know,
they should've bought her
more shoes or something.
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I remember distinctly
looking at her
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And be like, you know,
after seeing dirty clothes
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And i wondered,
"can't she take her clothes
off to wash them?
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Can't she put clean
clothes on herself?
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How many days in row
has she worn that?
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Does she only get
to change clothes
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When somebody's
there to help her?"
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I remember thinking that.
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I never saw
her mom or her brothers
come visit natalia.
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The only person that i saw
ever come over there
was her adopted dad.
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I only saw him
from a distance.
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I noticed 'cause i think
he drove a sports car,
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So i wasn't... It was a car
that i hadn't seen
come through.
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But it wasn't often,
and didn't seem like
he was there a long time.
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I only saw him
the one time on accident
drive up and get out.
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And we were right kind of
where the trash can was,
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And she says,
"that's my dad. I gotta go."
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And i just went,
"that's your dad
in that car?
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And they are making
you live here?"
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My... My husband
and i were both...
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You know, we had the concern
about her being... Safe
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Being, uh, you know,
smaller stature
and living by herself.
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Just wanting to make sure
she was okay.
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She needed some help,
and we could pick up on that.
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You know,
if she was five or 50,
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She needed
somebody to help her
to take care of herself.
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Some of
natalia's neighbors
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Were worried
for her well-Being,
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So they contacted
the department of
children's services.
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So dcs starts
an investigation.
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Heather wilson
had investigated
natalia as a child
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In the barnett home in 2012,
before she's been re-Aged.
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Fast-Forward almost a year...
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And natalia's now living
in an apartment by herself,
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And heather wilson
is brought back
into the picture.
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And natalia's now,
voila, 22 years old.
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And heather wilson may...
Maybe she wasn't convinced
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That... That natalia
was an adult,
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And so, you know,
she was gonna do
what she could
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To investigate and make sure
the allegations of neglect
weren't substantiated,
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And make sure her basic needs
are being met.
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Once michael and kristine
learned that heather wilson
was back in the picture...
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It was war
against hamilton county.
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Hello.
Hi.
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Where were you
when i came over?
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I was just
taking a walk,
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And i got all
the bins emptied out.
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Yep,
i'm gonna grab 'em.
Where were you walking around?
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I was just walking around
on the sidewalk around here.
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In this... In...
In the apartment complex area?
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- Yep.
I drove
all through here,
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- I didn't see you.
Oh.
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How could you have been
walking in the sidewalk
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If i drove through here
and didn't see you?
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I... I was, uh, back there,
walking around
back there for...
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And i was coming
back over here.
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Yeah, like,
right over there?
Yeah.
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I drove over there.
234
00:14:00,170 --> 00:14:03,480
- Okay. Heather was here, huh?
- Hmm.
235
00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,650
What'd you guys
talk about?
236
00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,030
Who?
Heather got another
report on you?
237
00:14:11,210 --> 00:14:13,180
And did heather talk
about what she's trying to do?
238
00:14:14,590 --> 00:14:15,560
Um...
239
00:14:16,410 --> 00:14:17,380
Okay.
240
00:14:19,410 --> 00:14:20,550
Well, i think she did.
241
00:14:21,790 --> 00:14:24,690
Well, um, heather
told us you told her
242
00:14:24,690 --> 00:14:28,000
- That we only bring you
food every two months.
- Mm-Hmm.
243
00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000
And i showed her
all the receipts...
244
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,860
For all the food
i bring over.
245
00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:33,410
- Mm-Hmm.
And she know
you were lying about that.
246
00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:36,550
Um, they were going to...
247
00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:39,000
They're gonna try
and do stuff,
248
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,900
But we showed
everything to our lawyer,
249
00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:43,590
And our lawyer said
that they can't do anything.
250
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:45,180
Like, they're not even
supposed to come over here.
251
00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,590
So whatever heather
was trying with you,
didn't work.
252
00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:55,900
It appears that michael
and kristine only started
buying groceries for natalia
253
00:14:55,900 --> 00:15:00,110
After the department
of children's services
reponed their investigation.
254
00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:02,790
Where'd you
get donuts from?
255
00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:03,960
I don't remember
buying donuts.
256
00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:06,890
You don't know?
257
00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:08,760
Got an idea where, i think,
the donuts came from.
258
00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,690
- That's a lie.
- [indistinct chatter
on tv]
259
00:15:13,690 --> 00:15:15,280
Seriously, where did
the donuts come from?
260
00:15:21,070 --> 00:15:22,660
You just found
donuts in here?
261
00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:29,280
Let's see
if they have a date on them.
262
00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:46,480
Well, they say april 23rd,
which means they're new.
263
00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:47,650
So where'd they come from?
264
00:15:51,970 --> 00:15:53,380
Seriously, where did
the donuts come from?
265
00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:56,380
Who brought them?
266
00:16:00,170 --> 00:16:01,580
Who?
267
00:16:01,590 --> 00:16:04,560
Um, she is the... Um...
268
00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:08,660
Sue,
the lady over there?
Is she in the office?
269
00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:11,870
Why did she
bring you donuts?
270
00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:18,560
Well,
you never tell me the truth.
271
00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:23,690
Her parents, they didn't
come around a lot. They...
272
00:16:23,690 --> 00:16:28,100
Her dad would come
more than the mother,
and i don't know why.
273
00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:31,690
And i don't even remember
what her dad looks like.
274
00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:33,550
I've only seen him one time.
275
00:16:52,690 --> 00:16:54,040
Okay.
276
00:17:05,690 --> 00:17:10,590
This handwritten letter,
natalia is recanting
all of these things
277
00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:13,690
She had said
about kristine in the past,
278
00:17:13,690 --> 00:17:18,860
Saying, "i made them up
to make my mom and dad
look really bad."
279
00:17:18,860 --> 00:17:22,580
Is it possible that this
is actually dictated
by kristine
280
00:17:22,590 --> 00:17:25,310
So that dcs
would get off her back?
281
00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:26,900
I was standing
in my yard
282
00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:29,690
And a beautiful woman
and natalia came.
283
00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:32,210
And natalia's hair
was all wet and cut
284
00:17:32,210 --> 00:17:34,590
As if the mom
had cleaned her up,
285
00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:37,070
Cut her hair,
and she had
different clothes on.
286
00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:38,690
I didn't know it was
the mom at the time
287
00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:40,590
'cause i never saw the mom,
i always saw the dad.
288
00:17:40,590 --> 00:17:43,490
And the mom said,
"tell this lady you're sorry
289
00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,890
And everything
you told her was a lie."
290
00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:49,310
And natalia was standing
even worse than usual.
291
00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:53,210
And, "i'm sorry,
everything i told you
was a lie."
292
00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:56,590
And i was going,
"well, what do you mean?
293
00:17:56,590 --> 00:17:58,800
What's going on?"
294
00:17:58,790 --> 00:18:00,480
The mom didn't say,
"i'm her mother."
295
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,860
Natalia said,
"this is my mom."
296
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,690
Well,
i deleted everything.
297
00:18:08,690 --> 00:18:12,760
Deleted all the phone calls
and all the text messages
to her, right?
298
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,100
Here.
299
00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:17,550
And now you can't
even talk to her.
300
00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,350
Oh.
301
00:18:23,170 --> 00:18:27,100
Michael wiped the contacts
out on natalia's phone,
302
00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:31,170
Including heather wilson's
contact information at dcs
303
00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:35,200
Because, specifically
because he did not want her
304
00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:36,900
To be able to call
heather wilson.
305
00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:39,000
Michael had something to hide.
306
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,590
He did not want her
reporting to social services
something about them.
307
00:18:42,590 --> 00:18:45,800
Because, why not
let her talk to them?
She needs help.
308
00:18:45,790 --> 00:18:47,860
Why not let her get some help?
309
00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:49,760
What is he hiding?
310
00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:02,380
Having natalia
live by you,
311
00:19:02,380 --> 00:19:04,660
Well, at first, it was okay.
312
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:09,000
And then, she started sitting
on our doorsteps,
313
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,280
Waiting for us to come home.
314
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,350
And, uh, then she'd follow
us in the house.
315
00:19:15,550 --> 00:19:18,000
In my house, the few
times she was there,
316
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,860
She'd walk through
and look at things
317
00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:21,690
And pick things up
and look at it
318
00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:23,930
Just, like, she was
casing the joint.
319
00:19:28,860 --> 00:19:30,690
It was always
in the back of your mind,
320
00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:34,760
"is she gonna be around?
Is she watching?
Is she coming over?"
321
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,760
Like, you know,
even when we would leave,
322
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,000
You know, peeking
out the window,
the front window,
323
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,280
Like, "is she there?
Is she watching?
Can i leave?"
324
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,280
Because i wanna go somewhere,
i don't wanna get trapped
in a conversation.
325
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,040
I still talk to her.
I just had to kind
of enforce
326
00:19:48,030 --> 00:19:52,380
Boundaries a little bit more,
because, if not,
327
00:19:52,380 --> 00:19:54,280
The minute we are home,
she would come over
328
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,250
Or she would
call me constantly.
329
00:19:57,590 --> 00:20:01,970
She knew when people come
or when they come home
or when they left
330
00:20:01,970 --> 00:20:04,830
And she was really
a pest to everybody.
331
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,180
She would
call and text me a lot,
332
00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:14,450
Which was fine.
I mean, i... I just think
333
00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:19,110
She was very lonely
over there, and didn't have
a lot of people around her.
334
00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:20,890
Our neighbors
have our phone number,
335
00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:24,040
And so if they need anything,
they know they can call us.
336
00:20:24,030 --> 00:20:25,750
They know that
they can pop over,
337
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,480
Um, ask us for something,
they need help.
338
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,450
We just try... I mean,
it's the midwestern thing,
just be a good neighbor.
339
00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:34,590
And, uh, you know,
if you're a good neighbor,
340
00:20:34,590 --> 00:20:35,900
We're gonna be
a good neighbor.
341
00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:37,690
We'll help each other out.
342
00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:38,930
It's that kind of vibe.
343
00:20:39,860 --> 00:20:41,100
Um...
344
00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:44,860
That was quickly
taken advantage of,
345
00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:49,550
Um, in the sense that
natalia would call a lot
346
00:20:49,550 --> 00:20:51,480
To see when we would be home.
347
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,270
Um, we would be out, like,
a soccer game for our son,
348
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,590
And she would call
two-Three times.
349
00:20:56,590 --> 00:21:01,040
To the point where, like,
"hey, you gotta stop
calling us, please."
350
00:21:01,030 --> 00:21:02,690
It's like,
i just had to tell her,
351
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:04,690
You know, i wasn't offended.
352
00:21:04,690 --> 00:21:06,450
It was just more like,
you know,
353
00:21:06,450 --> 00:21:08,240
"natalia, we're busy," like...
354
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,380
"i'm trying to enjoy
my son's soccer game,
355
00:21:12,380 --> 00:21:16,280
So, um...
I need you not to call me,
356
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,450
And i'll call you
when i get home."
357
00:21:18,450 --> 00:21:20,280
You know, but as soon
as we got home,
358
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,110
She saw that our...
Our car pull in the driveway,
359
00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:24,960
She would shoot
right across the street,
360
00:21:24,970 --> 00:21:26,380
And try to, you know,
361
00:21:26,380 --> 00:21:28,100
Before we had time
to decompress,
362
00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:29,890
Anything like that, um,
363
00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,040
Latched on pretty quick,
364
00:21:32,030 --> 00:21:33,580
To wanting to know
where we were,
365
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:35,180
When we were gonna be home,
366
00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:36,930
Um, at all times.
367
00:21:44,030 --> 00:21:46,690
Nobody liked her.
Nobody.
368
00:21:46,690 --> 00:21:48,760
They kind of
felt sorry for her,
369
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,800
But they were leery about her,
370
00:21:50,790 --> 00:21:52,890
And really didn't
want her around,
371
00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:55,380
And everybody was
complaining all the time,
372
00:21:55,380 --> 00:21:57,380
About her calling the office
373
00:21:57,380 --> 00:22:00,790
And saying that she's waiting
on your doorstep,
374
00:22:00,790 --> 00:22:03,270
And just, really eerie.
375
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,970
They said, "we know,
we're watching her,
376
00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:06,870
But we have
to take certain steps
377
00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:10,030
To evict somebody,
and we're taking the process.
378
00:22:10,030 --> 00:22:11,790
I said, "well, good."
379
00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:14,270
I think people
were creeped out by her.
380
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,970
This sounds
so terrible, that...
381
00:22:15,970 --> 00:22:18,280
Anytime there was, like,
a siting of her,
382
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,280
It's like, someone came
to me and said,
383
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,690
"i saw her today in this...
She was doing," like...
384
00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:24,860
She was, like,
the talk of the town.
385
00:22:28,690 --> 00:22:31,170
I come home one day
and natalia was in the house,
386
00:22:31,860 --> 00:22:35,100
Had my refrigerator
door open.
387
00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:38,480
Getting a coke, getting chips,
and just looking around.
388
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,650
And i said, "you don't
need to be back here.
You go back up front."
389
00:22:42,690 --> 00:22:45,170
And, uh, after that,
390
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,340
I started locking my doors.
391
00:22:49,030 --> 00:22:51,480
And then, my neighbor said,
392
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,380
She'd come in to her house
one time, i think,
393
00:22:54,380 --> 00:22:55,760
And she didn't like it either,
394
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,800
So she started locking
her screen doors
395
00:22:57,790 --> 00:23:00,270
So she couldn't get in.
396
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,560
But she
was always hungry,
always wanting food.
397
00:23:03,550 --> 00:23:06,100
She's a sly fox,
398
00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:10,760
'cause she could con you
in... In just, her way.
399
00:23:12,170 --> 00:23:15,550
And everybody dreaded it.
She was scary.
400
00:23:36,690 --> 00:23:38,900
While living at
the union street apartments,
401
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:42,490
Natalia calls the police
on herself
402
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,860
To tell them that she'd been
stalking a neighbor
403
00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:49,550
And she had thoughts
of wanting to harm others.
404
00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:54,100
I'm aware that natalia
405
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:56,030
Contacted 911
a couple of times
406
00:23:56,030 --> 00:23:58,100
While she was living
in that apartment,
407
00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:00,650
And told the officers
that she was attempting
408
00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:02,180
To burn down
her apartment complex
409
00:24:02,170 --> 00:24:05,550
Using her microwave, trying to
start a fire in her microwave,
410
00:24:08,550 --> 00:24:13,100
Right after that,
she was always acting
really strange.
411
00:24:13,790 --> 00:24:16,030
One day, we got to talking,
i said,
412
00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:19,790
"why aren't you living
with your mom and dad?"
and she goes,
413
00:24:19,790 --> 00:24:22,270
"oh, they're afraid of me."
i said, "why?"
414
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,760
And she says, "'cause i took
a knife to them one night,"
415
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,620
You know, and she just
had this strange look
in her eye, like...
416
00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:30,650
It's a normal thing.
417
00:24:33,170 --> 00:24:34,860
It wasn't...
418
00:24:34,860 --> 00:24:37,960
It wasn't until she started
talking to me more in depth
419
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:40,180
About the history
with her family,
420
00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:42,960
And she said, "well,
i tried to kill my mom."
421
00:24:42,970 --> 00:24:45,970
And i just was asking her
more questions like,
422
00:24:45,970 --> 00:24:48,660
"well, what happened?
How did you try to do that?"
423
00:24:48,660 --> 00:24:50,760
"i stood over them
with a knife,
424
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,040
So they took
all the knives away.
425
00:24:53,030 --> 00:24:54,860
And then,
i tried to poison them,
426
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:57,030
So i had to live in the garage
for a while."
427
00:24:57,030 --> 00:24:59,030
Like a serial killer
or something.
428
00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:00,650
It's how casually they put
429
00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:02,830
"attempted murder"
into a conversation.
430
00:25:04,790 --> 00:25:07,270
Like, "so what?"
431
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,900
You know, "oh, well."
432
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:12,280
"oh, gee, i pulled a knife
on my parents. Big deal."
433
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,870
You know, that's the attitude
you got from her.
434
00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:21,180
This is kind of like,
"what?"
435
00:25:21,170 --> 00:25:23,170
What do we do
with this information?
436
00:25:23,170 --> 00:25:25,480
We're not social workers,
we're not therapists.
437
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,690
Like, why would you
tell me that?
438
00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:31,690
And how do you expect me
to handle this information?
439
00:25:31,690 --> 00:25:34,170
You know, it was hard
for us to understand
440
00:25:34,170 --> 00:25:38,170
How she was just left
in that apartment by herself.
441
00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:41,650
Well, she just freely
offered up that she...
442
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,040
Tried to kill her mom,
you know?
443
00:25:45,030 --> 00:25:48,030
Like, that's... Weird.
444
00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:53,100
But then, i also think,
if i had somebody in my home,
445
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:58,450
That i thought was, um,
a threat to my other kids,
446
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:01,100
You know, what would i do?
447
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:04,030
Like, again, if i thought
she was a child
448
00:26:04,030 --> 00:26:05,750
That couldn't
take care of herself,
449
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,170
This would be
a different conversation.
450
00:26:08,170 --> 00:26:11,580
But at what point
do i start worrying about,
451
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:14,040
If i cut ties
with this person,
452
00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:15,580
It's like a bad breakup.
453
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:16,800
Like...
454
00:26:16,790 --> 00:26:21,170
"if i break up with you,
are you going to go crazy?
455
00:26:21,170 --> 00:26:23,580
If i help, and then,
all of a sudden, i don't help,
456
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:26,110
Are you gonna be
standing over my bed
at the end of the night,
457
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:27,450
You know, with a knife?"
458
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:41,550
The department
of children services
spent weeks
459
00:26:41,550 --> 00:26:44,760
Investigating natalia
at union street apartments.
460
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,000
But dcs investigation
can't really go very far
461
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,170
Because that
is solid legal ground,
462
00:26:52,170 --> 00:26:54,480
Um, from the judge, you know,
who signed the order,
463
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,380
That she's 22, she's an adult.
464
00:26:56,380 --> 00:26:58,900
So the department
of children services
465
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:00,800
Have no jurisdiction
over this.
466
00:27:00,790 --> 00:27:02,790
So, michael
and kristine barnett
467
00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:05,960
Did not have to worry
about social services anymore.
468
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,100
You could just tell
she was an adult person!
469
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:13,690
You could just tell!
470
00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:15,900
She wasn't
a little 11-Year-Old
471
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,380
That they left here
or wherever.
472
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:20,350
She had to be 25!
473
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,000
And, um, you know,
474
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,550
She had some...
Breasts and stuff, you know.
475
00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:30,000
She wore undergarments
that adults would
probably wear,
476
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,900
And she had a bra on
underneath her shirt,
477
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:35,180
And... And you could
see the straps of that.
478
00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:37,170
She spoke very fluently.
479
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:39,170
She didn't talk
like an 8-Year-Old.
480
00:27:39,170 --> 00:27:41,310
She talked like an...
An adult.
481
00:27:44,170 --> 00:27:47,790
She was, um, coming
into my office every day
482
00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:50,760
And get candy
'cause there was,
like, a candy bowl,
483
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,170
And, um, just sit
and talk to me
484
00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:55,380
And it was weird
and i would...
485
00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:58,450
I have asked her specifically,
"how old are you?"
486
00:27:58,450 --> 00:28:01,900
And she just, kind of,
shrugged her shoulders
487
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:03,660
And said, "i don't know."
488
00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:06,350
She may have been a child
489
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:09,790
Because that is something,
like, a child would do.
490
00:28:09,790 --> 00:28:12,550
Go into an office that
you know has candy every day.
491
00:28:12,550 --> 00:28:14,070
Once you become
friends with someone,
492
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:15,760
You just walk
into their house.
493
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,070
I feel like a lot
of the things that she did,
494
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:19,660
Were very childlike.
495
00:28:19,660 --> 00:28:22,140
She did show characteristics
of a youngster.
496
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:24,760
When she was playing
with my grandson,
497
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,110
Who at the time, would've been
498
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,380
A couple of months shy
of four years old,
499
00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:30,450
She seemed like a child
having a great time
500
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:31,860
Playing with a playmate.
501
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,140
And when she'd
interact with us,
502
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:38,800
She seemed
like an adult to us.
503
00:28:38,790 --> 00:28:40,890
It's okay,
it'll get straightened out.
504
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:42,250
I just thought,
well, maybe, you know,
505
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,900
She has a easier time
connecting with children
506
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:46,690
'cause they're easier
to talk to,
507
00:28:46,690 --> 00:28:48,480
At times, less judgmental.
508
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,170
And so maybe
it was just easier.
509
00:28:51,170 --> 00:28:54,480
You know, everybody was leery
about her and uneasy.
510
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,890
And she even talked
about her brothers,
511
00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:02,000
Saying that the parents didn't
trust her around the...
The boys.
512
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,100
And she goes...
I said, "why not?"
513
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:06,550
And she goes,
"well, you know why."
514
00:29:06,550 --> 00:29:09,000
I said, "was you doing
things you shouldn't?"
515
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,280
She goes, "well, probably."
516
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,140
So, you know, just like,
c'est la vie.
517
00:29:16,340 --> 00:29:19,690
Weird too, she would wanna
know when our son
would be home.
518
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:22,140
And not our daughter,
but our son.
519
00:29:22,140 --> 00:29:25,800
I don't really remember her
having interactions
with our daughter.
520
00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:31,170
That's when things went
from uncomfortable
to... To weird,
521
00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:33,380
And almost
borderline inappropriate.
522
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:36,100
So he... She would come
across the street
523
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,000
When he was waiting
for the bus,
524
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,550
Um, where he would be
out there by himself,
525
00:29:40,550 --> 00:29:42,000
Um, waiting for the bus.
526
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,660
And he was eight or nine,
527
00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:46,280
Nine years old at the time.
528
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,660
So, old enough to be out there
by himself but, um,
529
00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:52,490
You know, it just got
to be a point
530
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,960
Where we felt uncomfortable
as parents, um...
531
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,660
Again, not knowing
how to handle this situation
532
00:29:59,660 --> 00:30:01,350
Was somebody like natalia.
533
00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:06,690
If you didn't keep your
screen doors locked,
she walked in,
534
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:08,860
Because one day, i come home,
535
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,070
My grandson and his friend
was playing xbox.
536
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:17,210
And i walked in and i said,
"what's going on?"
537
00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:25,280
And he said,
"she got to hanging around
538
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,010
Too close to their chairs."
539
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,240
And rubbing up, you know,
leaning on them and stuff.
540
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,790
It made my grandson
feel uncomfortable,
541
00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:38,450
So he told natalia,
"get out of here!"
542
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,760
And slammed the door
on her face.
543
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,900
I thought, how dare you try
to do anything to my grandson.
544
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,970
I thought...
I just wanted
to go after her.
545
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:51,660
And i told my grandson,
i said,
546
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:55,730
"don't ever let her in here,
especially if i'm not home."
547
00:30:57,170 --> 00:30:59,790
A lady from
the apartment complex
had come over
548
00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:03,240
And i think she spoke
to my wife about,
um, an incident
549
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,070
And just, she knew
we had smaller kids,
so just to be careful.
550
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:10,550
She came over and...
And it's very serious,
551
00:31:10,550 --> 00:31:12,380
Was worrying us
about some things
552
00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:14,480
That had happened
with natalia.
553
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,720
And just that we need
to be careful with our kids.
554
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:22,380
And, um, i think it bordered
on almost like,
555
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,380
"you need to not have her over
to your house,"
556
00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:27,520
Which, i mean,
557
00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:32,900
I appreciate being warned
if there's a situation,
558
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:34,590
Um, but at the same time,
559
00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:38,490
We can take that information
and make our own judgments
560
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,410
And make our own decisions
for our family.
561
00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:48,900
One day,
we heard the door open,
562
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:51,070
And our dog just
started going crazy.
563
00:31:51,790 --> 00:31:55,170
And we kind of,
like, ran out front
564
00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:57,480
To the living room area,
where the front door was.
565
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,960
And natalia was there.
566
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,450
We got upset
567
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:09,590
When she came into our house
without permission
568
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:11,900
And started going towards
our son's bedroom,
569
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:13,800
Which was in the back
of the house.
570
00:32:13,790 --> 00:32:17,240
Luckily, we had a chihuahua
at the time,
571
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,900
That was small but fierce.
572
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:23,140
And, uh, she was very scared
of the chihuahua.
573
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,350
Um, and that's when we started
to distance ourselves
574
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:32,340
By saying, you know,
575
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:34,440
"i'm sorry, natalia, we're not
gonna be home for a while."
576
00:32:34,450 --> 00:32:37,660
Or "hey, we're really busy,
we got a lot of things to do."
577
00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:41,490
Not be as blunt
as we probably should have.
578
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,890
Um, but again, not knowing
her mental level,
579
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:48,280
Not knowing how she
can handle rejection,
things like that.
580
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,800
You know, i remember
my wife and i having
conversations about her.
581
00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:52,650
Like, "how do we
let her down?
582
00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:54,970
'cause this is getting
too much, it's too much."
583
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,720
Is that going to be the point
where she snaps?
584
00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:07,550
Well, nobody
let their kids out about, uh,
around her and everything
585
00:33:07,550 --> 00:33:11,620
After they heard
about what she tried with
the neighbor's little boy.
586
00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:14,480
It was just, like,
you had to...
587
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Everybody had to watch out
for this person.
588
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,830
One person that was
taking over everything.
589
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:30,620
Having natalia live by you
is like a hitchcock movie.
590
00:33:33,140 --> 00:33:35,350
And you got so you hated
to go out your door
591
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:38,310
Because you didn't know
if she's gonna be out there
waiting on ya.
592
00:33:40,550 --> 00:33:43,620
Or if you'd walk out
to the mailbox,
here she is.
593
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:47,420
She would start walking
594
00:33:47,410 --> 00:33:50,000
Into people's apartments
without even knocking.
595
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Just going in their house
596
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,660
And getting
into their cupboards
597
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:54,560
And eating their food.
598
00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:57,340
And then,
we have a landscaping crew.
599
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,520
And she would, like,
hide behind the bushes.
600
00:34:02,790 --> 00:34:05,960
Then kind of pop out at them
and that would scare them.
601
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:14,000
She seemed to hang
around all the older...
Real old guys a lot.
602
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,280
And, uh,
she was trying sexual...
603
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,560
And talking
sexual things to 'em.
604
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:22,140
Fred was in there
doing his laundry.
605
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:32,440
And she walked in,
606
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:35,550
And he just thought
she was coming in there
607
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:39,070
To be friendly or something,
because she couldn't
reach the coins,
608
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:41,350
Didn't do her own laundry,
of course.
609
00:34:42,590 --> 00:34:45,280
And i guess she started
talking, you know,
610
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,010
Sexual and crude things
to him,
611
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,520
And trying to ease up
to him and stuff.
612
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,420
He said, "i was so uneasy
and uptight with her.
613
00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:57,000
I just wanted
to get out of there.
614
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,170
I almost left my clothes."
615
00:35:00,170 --> 00:35:02,790
But he said,
"i finally got away from her."
616
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:07,690
And he said, "i never want
to be in that laundry room
again with her."
617
00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:12,550
You could
believe this man if you
knew this man. She, um...
618
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:15,900
- What is the word?
She offered him sex.
Mmm-Hmm.
619
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,070
And he said,
"get away from me."
620
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:24,270
Natalia went up front
and there was an older guy
out there,
621
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,520
And she'd go in there for two
or three hours at a time.
622
00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:30,960
And she went
to his house a lot.
623
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:37,790
She said that
she was living in a house
of prostitution downtown,
624
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:40,550
And that she saw prostitutes
and she did prostitution,
625
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:42,900
Before she came here,
somewhere in indianapolis.
626
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:44,690
I didn't believe her
627
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:47,450
Because that's how she talked,
in circles.
628
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:58,280
One day, i see a little boy
629
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,070
Rolling around in the grass
and everything, and...
630
00:36:01,070 --> 00:36:03,800
I said, "well, i'm going in."
and she said, "okay."
631
00:36:03,790 --> 00:36:06,620
So she went down
to the neighbor's house.
632
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:09,140
You know how you
roll down a hill?
633
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,180
They were laying,
natalia and him
634
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,760
Were laying,
rolling back and forth.
635
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:19,270
And then
the next thing i know,
636
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,350
She was close
to the little boy.
637
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,800
And natalia reached over.
638
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:26,890
And started
undoing his pants.
639
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,590
And i said,
"natalia, what are you doing!"
640
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:37,040
And that's when the dad
come to the door,
641
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:40,000
Grabbed up his son
and was yelling at her.
642
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,550
He said, "if you ever
touch my son again,"
643
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:46,000
You know, he was just
the dad enraged.
644
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,410
And she took off
and went up front.
645
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:52,030
Doing that with that
little boy? In front of us?
646
00:36:52,030 --> 00:36:55,340
God knows what she does,
you know, behind closed doors.
647
00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:57,130
It's so sick!
648
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:19,010
In westville, you admitted
to knocking on, um,
649
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,790
Your neighbor's door
and playing with her children?
650
00:37:21,790 --> 00:37:23,240
Yes.
651
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,170
Do you remember harming
any one of their children?
652
00:37:26,170 --> 00:37:27,520
No.
653
00:37:28,590 --> 00:37:30,490
I never did that.
654
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:36,520
There had been
several complaints
655
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,000
About her disturbing neighbors
and whatnot,
656
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,030
And they had said that she
was playing with these kids,
657
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:45,000
And that was just
kind of weird,
658
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,030
That, you know,
an adult was playing
659
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:49,580
With little kids like
the way that she was,
660
00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:52,250
Like, rolling around
with them, and, uh...
661
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:56,240
One person said that it
looked like she was being
inappropriate with them,
662
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,550
Like, touching them
inappropriately,
663
00:37:58,550 --> 00:38:00,690
And as the rules,
664
00:38:00,690 --> 00:38:04,040
Technically, like, if we get
three complaints or more,
665
00:38:04,030 --> 00:38:07,410
We have the ability
to not renew someone.
666
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:10,200
She was there for a year.
667
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:12,550
Uh, and then her lease is up.
668
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:15,410
The apartment complex
is not gonna renew the lease.
669
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:18,070
So kristine goes apartment
hunting with natalia.
670
00:38:18,070 --> 00:38:19,590
She goes
to lafayette, indiana.
671
00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:24,000
We know
a little bit about the town,
we went to college there.
672
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,790
She and i,
we both went to purdue.
673
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:28,030
So we know a bit
about the town.
674
00:38:28,030 --> 00:38:30,550
Kristine finds
an apartment for her.
675
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:32,790
Very recently before that,
within weeks,
676
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:35,070
We had found out we were going
to be moving to canada
677
00:38:35,070 --> 00:38:36,760
To support my son's education.
678
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:41,560
The perimeter institute
in waterloo, ontario, canada,
679
00:38:41,550 --> 00:38:44,070
Wants jacob, who is 14,
680
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:47,860
To go there for a year
to do his master's.
681
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:50,800
But i didn't know at the time,
682
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:53,070
That it was going
to be a very,
683
00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:55,520
Very bad last year
of marriage.
684
00:38:58,790 --> 00:39:02,790
Natalia had been the subject
of so many reports,
685
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:05,340
Whether it was
adult protective services,
686
00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:08,890
Child protective services,
the westville police,
687
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:10,800
That the barnetts
were fed up with it.
688
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:12,790
They needed her out
of that county.
689
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:14,550
But what happened in lafayette
690
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:17,620
Is the beginning of the end
for the barnetts,
691
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:21,270
Did you agree to go
to lafayette?
692
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,350
No. I didn't know
where we were going,
she just took me.
693
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,800
So you say she just took you
to lafayette?
694
00:39:27,790 --> 00:39:29,030
Yes.
695
00:39:30,070 --> 00:39:32,660
And then what happened
when you went to lafayette?
696
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:36,450
Uh, we went and looked
at an apartment.
697
00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:39,070
And you wanted
to stay in that apartment?
698
00:39:39,070 --> 00:39:43,110
I didn't, but kristine
told me that that's where
i was gonna be living.
699
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:45,590
So you didn't
wanna live there?
700
00:39:45,590 --> 00:39:47,350
- No.
- Okay.
701
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:50,130
What about
the apartment in westville?
Did you wanna live there?
702
00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:52,800
No. She just got it for me.
703
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:55,340
Okay. Well, where did
you wanna live?
704
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,210
I wanted to live
with kristine.
705
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:05,180
I wanted to be with my family.
706
00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:07,170
Or what i thought
was my family.
707
00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:09,310
Why did you wanna live
with kristine?
708
00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:12,590
Because i didn't know
what to do.
709
00:40:12,590 --> 00:40:15,450
Like, i didn't know at all
what to do.
710
00:40:15,450 --> 00:40:17,070
I didn't know
how to take care of myself.
711
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:19,110
I didn't know
how to be by myself.
712
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:22,410
They got her out.
713
00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:25,130
So, everybody was so really...
714
00:40:26,410 --> 00:40:30,550
Everybody was really happy
to see her go.
715
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:33,690
So, one night,
just like, overnight,
natalia was gone.
716
00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:36,170
And we didn't see her.
717
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:42,000
And i tried to call her phone
718
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,970
And her phone
was disconnected.
719
00:40:45,790 --> 00:40:48,340
We had no idea
what happened to natalia,
720
00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:50,000
But it was just
that she was just gone.
721
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:55,790
Natalia. I don't know
where she went after this.
Mmm-Hmm.
722
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:58,240
I don't know
anything.
Right.
723
00:40:59,030 --> 00:41:02,410
I think she's
a little possessed, she is.
724
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:05,250
That's all you can really say.
725
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:08,140
She presents herself
like a nice person,
726
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:10,970
But she's really evil
and devious.
727
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:15,790
People think, well,
she's small and she's deformed
728
00:41:15,790 --> 00:41:18,340
So she couldn't possibly do
729
00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:20,650
All this stuff
everybody's saying.
730
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:22,970
But they're wrong
and she did do it.
731
00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:25,550
I was there,
i lived it,
732
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:27,000
I lived through it.
733
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,170
I still don't
have concrete answers.
734
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:31,890
I don't know how old she is,
735
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:34,420
I don't know
if what she said was true.
736
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,660
Yes, that's, uh, is scary,
that natalia could still
be doing this.
737
00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:46,420
That she can
manipulate people,
738
00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:48,450
And you don't know,
it's probably worse
739
00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:50,420
Than what she did
to our apartments.
740
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,450
I don't think she stopped.
741
00:41:54,450 --> 00:41:58,480
She's always finding some
other person to manipulate.
742
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,240
Can you tell me
a little bit
743
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,240
About the first time
that you met natalia?
744
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:10,070
Uh, the first time
i met natalia was, um,
745
00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:14,280
I mean, it just
really disturbed me, a lot.
746
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:14,900
Quite honestly.
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