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โช Nick, nick, nick, nick
Na-nick, nick, nick โช
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โช Nick-e-lo-de-on!
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For a certain generation,
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the Nickelodeon jingle is burned
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into our brain.
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Get some juice in the glass!
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In the early '90s,
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Nickelodeon was kid everything.
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It was like the mecca.
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Nickelodeon is the place
where only kids win.
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It was the starting point
of everything cool.
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You come home.
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You watch Salute Your Shorts.
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Are You Afraid of the Dark?
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Have you lost your mind?
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Everybody watched
Ren & Stimpy.
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God, I sound so old saying...
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You know, before when I was comin' up
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there were no internet, like...
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But there wasn't.
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We didn't have
Netflix and Hulu.
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We didn't have ten things to choose from.
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There was Nickelodeon
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and there was Disney.
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And that was it.
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And you better hope
that your house had cable.
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In the '90s and 2000s,
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there was one producer who was
able to take Nickelodeon
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to new heights.
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It is our great honor to present
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the first ever Nickelodeon
Lifetime Achievement Award
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to a man who's been making all of us laugh
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for the past two decades.
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Dan Schneider!
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The 2014
Kid's Choice Awards
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showed that Dan Schneider
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was Nickelodeon's golden boy.
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He was their cash cow.
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He created these shows that were...
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Hugely, hugely successful for them.
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He launched the careers of child actors
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who became major stars.
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For 20 years,
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he shaped children's entertainment
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and shaped children's culture.
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When Dan accepted his award,
he was elated,
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he was emotional,
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and very few could have
predicted his downfall.
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Whoo! Try not to cry.
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Wow, thank you so much.
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I will warn you...
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If you were a child of the '90s...
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This is going to ruin that for you.
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What do we really know
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about Dan Schneider?
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For decades, Dan seemed
like he was untouchable.
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But around 2017,
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the internet videos around Dan
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really started gaining momentum.
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He made them do things
that were very weird.
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There are all these setups
that referenced porn.
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Like, squirting goo on Jamie Lynn's face
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when she's just 13 years old.
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Feel these kids' feet.
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Wow, they're really soft.
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People were looking back
at old scenes and saying,
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"Dan Schneider is obsessed with feet."
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Check this out.
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It's all very gross and foul things.
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...Impossible to escape children's feet.
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- Dan Schneider...
- ...absolutely disgusting.
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He's a grown ass man.
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What the are you doing?
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There's one video of Ariana Grande
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making a joke about a potato.
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Sometimes I wonder
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if you can get juice...
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From a potato.
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Did that air on Nickelodeon?
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Come on!
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Give up the juice.
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Yikes.
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I'm thirsty.
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In another video,
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Ariana is pouring water on herself
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in what seems like a very sexual manner.
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And people started saying
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this feels inappropriate for children.
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Looking at Dan Schneider's stars,
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some of them became extremely famous,
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some of them really struggled publicly.
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After her arrest last week...
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Now some of them are starting to speak out
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about what happened
when they were on his sets.
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I work with an incredibly
emotionally abusive producer.
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I did not feel safe around Dan Schneider
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while I was working at Nickelodeon.
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All of this information
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has made us wonder...
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What was happening behind the scenes.
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As a reporter at Insider,
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I wanted to investigate further.
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I've been waiting for someone
to question the climate.
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It's been a long time coming.
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I didn't feel safe to say, "This hurt me."
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The bad just doesn't go away.
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The bad stays for a lifetime.
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It was a toxic, unsafe environment.
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I can't sit on it anymore.
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I can't watch it continue.
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I want, uh, people to be accountable.
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I've been waiting 17 years for today.
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Nickelodeon was a little wild.
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All right.
All right, guys.
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It was a little quirky.
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Always funny...
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But from a kid's view.
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And in Nickelodeon shows,
parents are, like,
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not really around.
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It was, like, the kid is the star.
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You know, sometimes parents are so dumb.
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Nickelodeon wasn't there to educate you.
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Put your hat on.
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We were there to have fun, to get slimed,
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to be entertained.
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I'll get you!
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I was slimed more times
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than I can care to tell you about.
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It was part of my job.
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It's cold, it's wet,
it's gooey, it's sticky.
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Oh, my goly!
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Exactly how did that feel?
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Like my son threw up on me.
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In the mid-'90s, Nickelodeon
is pushing the boundaries
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of children's entertainment.
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And this is when
Dan Schneider arrives.
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He's young. He's ambitious.
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And he has a lot to prove.
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Dan comes out of Memphis.
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He describes himself as sort of
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a awkward fat kid.
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He's coming from a father
who went to Harvard.
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And his parents do not have
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the highest expectations for him.
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He wasn't exactly someone
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who they thought was going
to be massively successful.
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So Dan is able to find himself in drama.
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Early articles about Dan say
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he went to Harvard.
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But he never actually
attended the university.
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He auditions for this teen movie
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that's shooting in Memphis
and he gets a job.
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Hello, Pizzas R Us?
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It's a small role.
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But it eventually leads to Dan
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ending up on a really big show.
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He is on Head of the Class
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which is at the time one of
the biggest comedies on TV.
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He was 19.
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This put us on the map, I mean...
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This got us small homes and this...
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We... We get tables in restaurants now.
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As an actor,
Dan was cast as the fat kid.
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You guys pick on the blimp again.
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Nice.
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You could sing "We Are the World"
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all by yourself.
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He seemed always driven by this fat joke.
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"I'm gonna show people
that that's not who I am.
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I'm not the fat kid.
I'm this talented writer."
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His first rip that he sold
in TV was Head of the Class.
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He cowrote it with one of
the other cast members.
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And everything else happened
because of that show.
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Several years later,
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Nickelodeon executive
came to him and said,
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"Hey, we're working on this idea
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for a sketch show, All That.
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Would you like to write the pilot?"
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And the next thing you know,
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he is producing the show.
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He's writing episodes.
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All That first launched in 1994.
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The concept was,
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it was a Saturday Night Live for kids.
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I wanted to make a show for Nickelodeon
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and I wanted to do sketch comedy
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'cause no one had
ever really done sketch comedy
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starring kids for kids.
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At the beginning of his career,
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Dan Schneider and his
early producing partner
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Brian Robbins got noticed by the press
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for all of their success for All That.
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It's a special thing.
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I mean, not many kids get
to go on national television
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and play 1,000 different characters.
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Eat rotten cheese...
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- We're doing highbrow stuff.
- Yeah.
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All That was a really edgy concept.
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And it established
Dan Schneider
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as this creative force at Nickelodeon.
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And he helped launch the career
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of some of comedy's biggest names
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like Kel Mitchell and Kenan Thompson.
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Is chocolate good for congestion?
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I have no idea.
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All That quickly became
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a pretty big hit for Nickelodeon
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where they went from, like,
a pretty scrappy production
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to getting some of the biggest
names in entertainment
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to be these guests.
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I do.
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โช All That, yo
We be coming โช
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My name is Leon Frierson.
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I was on seasons four to six of All That.
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Quinn gotta showered
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and knocked out by a talking cheeseburger.
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A lot of us got our break on All That.
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I am Katrina Johnson.
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From the time
I was ten to 16,
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I starred on All That.
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Garty!
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How are you, my darlin'?
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Dan Schneider was my mentor.
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And I remember, my first
audition, he was there.
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All of my callbacks, he was there.
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You wanna... Sorry.
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You wanna see something really gross?
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Look at this.
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I'm so flat, it's disgusting.
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When we were filming the pilot,
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he came up to me and he said,
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"I chose you.
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You are my choice.
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And I know you're gonna be great."
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It made me feel like a million bucks.
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When I would say,
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"Hey, I have this idea
for this character,"
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he would always listen.
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And we would usually
turn it into something.
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One day, the network
called my parents and said,
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"We want to see how you would feel
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if we created
The Katrina Johnson Show."
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And that I'm already living
the dream life,
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but it gets even better.
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Dan, and he was the head writer, so...
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Dan kind of ran things.
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I'm the producer.
Executive producer.
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That's why he gets the headset.
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I have to yell.
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In early behind the scenes interviews,
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you see Dan presenting himself
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as a self-deprecating
and really funny boss.
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Dan just created a really fun set.
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Don't know what's taking so long now.
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Let me find out.
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All right, come on.
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That could explain it.
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Come on, not again.
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โช Happy birthday
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Nothing humiliating about that!
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Dan was a big kid.
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He was always doing something
to joke around
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or poke fun at somebody.
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I mean, okay,
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These are the breaks, y'all.
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He kept things pretty light
in the beginning.
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On All That, he would inspire you
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to get whatever it was that you needed
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to get it done, you know?
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But we were kids and they were long days.
271
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You know, some would say
272
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that he was trying to push
them towards greatness.
273
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But there's also a...
Another side.
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A lot of these kids in the entertainment
industry are vulnerable.
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The power balance
between a child and an adult
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is so striking already.
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And then on top of it you add
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that it's an employment situation.
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These are eight to 15-year-olds...
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And they are often responsible
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for the entire economic success
282
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of their families.
283
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What are they gonna do
if they get in trouble?
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What if all of this goes away
because they complained?
285
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And so you spend your time working,
286
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hoping that people
don't poke the soft spots
287
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on your body and in your brain.
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Dan! Dan.
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Here, Leon, start to the green
room. They're there...
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On All That,
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what really made me feel
292
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the most uncomfortable were...
293
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The leotards.
294
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I mean, I was just a growing boy
295
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trying to, you know, fit into my body
296
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and it was just out there
297
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for everyone to kind of look at and...
298
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Judge me or...
299
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You know, I just felt very exposed.
300
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So one week we get a script,
301
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there's a new character for me
on All That named Nose Boy.
302
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Naturally, I'm in a superhero costume
303
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which is just tights and underwear.
304
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You know, what was different about this...
305
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They... They gave me a prosthetic nose,
306
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like a enlarged nose...
307
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And they put this same nose
on the costume.
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I'm Captain Big Nose.
309
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What are your special powers?
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You can't help but notice
311
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that it looks like penis and
testicles on my shoulders.
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This is a child playing this role.
313
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And he is playing it for other children.
314
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His audience is kids as young as six.
315
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I'm allergic to asteroids.
316
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And the joke in that sketch
is effectively a joke.
317
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It a joke for children.
318
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I'm just looking back at it,
319
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it's just very strange.
320
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Frankly, it was just uncomfortable.
321
00:12:53,551 --> 00:12:55,051
In the...
The moments to myself
322
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you would just be thinking, like...
323
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"Hey, this is what
we gotta do be on the show.
324
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To stay in the cast
and stay in the good graces
325
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of the people that were higher up."
326
00:13:04,620 --> 00:13:06,847
Some of the child actors felt
like they could not push back,
327
00:13:06,931 --> 00:13:09,103
especially with
Dan Schneider.
328
00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:12,103
And so I always did
my best to be a trooper.
329
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Never complain.
330
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'Cause we knew,
331
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being close to Dan,
332
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could mean an extra level of, uh, success.
333
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It was important to be...
To be on his good side.
334
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And he made it known
who was on his good side.
335
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One day, uh, the producers
called my house...
336
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And spoke to my parents and said,
337
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"Hey..."
338
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"Katrina's getting too fat.
339
00:13:48,241 --> 00:13:50,891
We already have a fat one.
She can't be the fat one."
340
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They go, "Well, uh, she's a dancer.
341
00:13:55,379 --> 00:13:58,000
She's in dance class, like,
six hours a day.
342
00:13:58,103 --> 00:13:59,703
There's nothing more we can do."
343
00:14:00,206 --> 00:14:01,068
I mean...
344
00:14:01,827 --> 00:14:04,000
That stuck with me.
345
00:14:04,103 --> 00:14:05,931
"You can't be the fat one." Like...
346
00:14:06,034 --> 00:14:09,965
I still hear those words
in my head to this day.
347
00:14:10,068 --> 00:14:11,318
And it's funny because...
348
00:14:12,275 --> 00:14:13,862
Shortly after that call,
349
00:14:13,965 --> 00:14:16,034
I went through puberty.
350
00:14:16,137 --> 00:14:19,310
And then the producers freak out
351
00:14:19,413 --> 00:14:21,137
because now
I look like a woman
352
00:14:21,241 --> 00:14:23,206
and I'm not little girlish anymore,
353
00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:25,482
so then that became an issue.
354
00:14:25,586 --> 00:14:28,206
And then after that
I'm sort of like...
355
00:14:28,310 --> 00:14:29,655
Edged out...
356
00:14:31,827 --> 00:14:34,896
By, like, a younger version of me.
357
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,655
Please welcome ten-year-old Amanda.
358
00:14:41,793 --> 00:14:46,241
I remember one day
I was at the Laugh Factory.
359
00:14:46,344 --> 00:14:48,862
It's a really famous
comedy club on Sunset.
360
00:14:48,965 --> 00:14:51,551
They would have workshops for kids.
361
00:14:51,655 --> 00:14:55,413
Couple of Nickelodeon people
had gone to support Katrina.
362
00:14:55,517 --> 00:14:57,896
Brian Robbins and Dan Schneider came
363
00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,743
and I said, "You gotta
check out this girl.
364
00:14:59,827 --> 00:15:01,137
She's really amazing."
365
00:15:01,241 --> 00:15:03,310
And the girl was Amanda Bynes.
366
00:15:03,413 --> 00:15:06,620
The other day,
I got a pimple.
367
00:15:06,724 --> 00:15:09,137
I remember Amanda doing a routine
368
00:15:09,241 --> 00:15:12,586
about having a pimple
that she couldn't pop
369
00:15:12,689 --> 00:15:14,724
on the inside of her nose.
370
00:15:14,827 --> 00:15:16,758
I mean, what's the deal?
371
00:15:16,862 --> 00:15:19,034
Is God sitting up there in heaven
372
00:15:19,137 --> 00:15:21,241
looking down at me and saying,
373
00:15:21,344 --> 00:15:24,068
"I think I'll give her a challenge."
374
00:15:27,724 --> 00:15:29,524
And
I remember thinking...
375
00:15:29,827 --> 00:15:31,260
"You're like ten.
You do not have a pimple
376
00:15:31,344 --> 00:15:32,329
on the inside of your nose."
377
00:15:32,413 --> 00:15:34,586
But that was a really kickass routine
378
00:15:34,689 --> 00:15:35,517
and it was...
379
00:15:36,413 --> 00:15:37,793
Pretty flawless.
380
00:15:37,896 --> 00:15:40,196
Dan saw her and, like, immediately...
381
00:15:41,206 --> 00:15:42,256
Knew she'd be a star.
382
00:15:42,896 --> 00:15:43,812
Over the '90s,
383
00:15:43,896 --> 00:15:46,655
Dan's star is rising in Nickelodeon.
384
00:15:46,758 --> 00:15:48,260
But what takes him to the next level
385
00:15:48,344 --> 00:15:50,965
is when he discovers
Amanda Bynes.
386
00:15:51,068 --> 00:15:52,931
And he recognizes her talent
387
00:15:53,034 --> 00:15:55,103
and he wants her in All That immediately.
388
00:15:55,206 --> 00:15:57,906
Hi, hi, everyone.
It's me, Amanda.
389
00:15:58,827 --> 00:16:02,482
Amanda was absolutely natural.
390
00:16:02,586 --> 00:16:04,206
Her timing was impeccable.
391
00:16:04,689 --> 00:16:06,034
Uh, very physical.
392
00:16:06,137 --> 00:16:08,275
Then my bully kicked on me at school.
393
00:16:08,379 --> 00:16:11,029
I discovered that music
could be used as self-defense.
394
00:16:11,068 --> 00:16:12,965
Oh, well, how?
395
00:16:13,275 --> 00:16:14,068
Hmm?
396
00:16:17,206 --> 00:16:19,275
We had to go to school on set.
397
00:16:19,379 --> 00:16:21,229
I mean, I was allowed to go to school.
398
00:16:21,379 --> 00:16:22,329
- How many hours?
- Three.
399
00:16:22,413 --> 00:16:23,517
- Three?
- A day.
400
00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:24,605
- Can you share what--
- Go talk to the teacher.
401
00:16:24,689 --> 00:16:25,931
Okay.
402
00:16:26,034 --> 00:16:27,965
And so there would be times
403
00:16:28,068 --> 00:16:29,818
where Amanda would just be missing.
404
00:16:32,724 --> 00:16:34,157
And a lot of times we would just hear
405
00:16:34,241 --> 00:16:36,620
that she would be with Dan,
406
00:16:36,724 --> 00:16:39,034
pitching ideas and writing.
407
00:16:40,206 --> 00:16:41,724
We've seen them grow closer
408
00:16:41,827 --> 00:16:44,077
- to each other on set.
- So, uh...
409
00:16:45,517 --> 00:16:46,655
Leon is the man.
410
00:16:46,758 --> 00:16:48,053
See what we're doing here, um...
411
00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:51,206
The law was that a parent or guardian
412
00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:53,862
had to be with us at all times.
413
00:16:53,965 --> 00:16:55,896
Parents on All That...
414
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,206
I would say they tried
to stay out the way.
415
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:59,827
Okay, guys. Ready for ya.
416
00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:02,862
With us all being, uh, novices...
417
00:17:02,965 --> 00:17:05,448
With some of us, this was out first job.
418
00:17:05,551 --> 00:17:07,551
It was just in our best interest
419
00:17:07,655 --> 00:17:09,793
to kind of go with the flow.
420
00:17:10,275 --> 00:17:11,344
But...
421
00:17:11,448 --> 00:17:13,827
Amanda Bynes' parents were very hands on
422
00:17:13,931 --> 00:17:14,862
with her career.
423
00:17:14,965 --> 00:17:17,379
Um, specifically her dad.
424
00:17:17,482 --> 00:17:20,172
I think Amanda's dad kind of treated her
425
00:17:20,275 --> 00:17:22,758
like a wind-up doll, like, she had...
426
00:17:24,275 --> 00:17:28,517
Really a lot of pressure and
high expectations from him.
427
00:17:28,620 --> 00:17:29,640
- Say, "Hands up."
- Hands up.
428
00:17:29,724 --> 00:17:31,424
Say, "Kids, hands up."
429
00:17:31,793 --> 00:17:33,896
His presence was always felt.
430
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,379
A big part of that was his relationship
431
00:17:36,482 --> 00:17:37,758
with Dan Schneider.
432
00:17:39,344 --> 00:17:41,931
They carefully crafted
Amanda's career.
433
00:17:43,379 --> 00:17:46,275
It was enviable
for a lot of the cast members.
434
00:17:46,379 --> 00:17:48,482
When Amanda joined the show...
435
00:17:50,103 --> 00:17:52,655
Oh, I had less and less and less
436
00:17:52,758 --> 00:17:54,310
and then no time with Dan.
437
00:17:57,965 --> 00:17:59,241
So...
438
00:17:59,344 --> 00:18:02,068
The new favorite had arrived. I was out.
439
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,172
So I felt
440
00:18:10,275 --> 00:18:12,260
now I don't need to do this
anymore, I can just...
441
00:18:12,344 --> 00:18:13,172
Go to college.
442
00:18:14,034 --> 00:18:14,862
So I did.
443
00:18:16,068 --> 00:18:18,000
And then maybe a year later...
444
00:18:19,103 --> 00:18:20,103
Someone told me,
445
00:18:20,206 --> 00:18:23,068
"Oh, have you seen
The Amanda Bynes Show?"
446
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,827
And I was like, "What?
447
00:18:27,758 --> 00:18:28,724
That makes sense."
448
00:18:28,827 --> 00:18:31,000
Amanda! Amanda!
449
00:18:31,103 --> 00:18:34,241
Amanda Bynes'
physical comedy really shines
450
00:18:34,344 --> 00:18:36,344
in that first episode.
451
00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:38,709
- Hey, it's Amanda!
- And it was her big break,
452
00:18:38,793 --> 00:18:40,643
and it was
Dan Schneider's big break.
453
00:18:43,931 --> 00:18:45,122
And this is actually the first time
454
00:18:45,206 --> 00:18:48,000
that Dan Schneider's name
is listed as a creator.
455
00:18:48,103 --> 00:18:49,467
This gave him a whole new level
456
00:18:49,551 --> 00:18:51,034
of control and power
457
00:18:51,137 --> 00:18:53,487
and there would be consequences
to that later on.
458
00:18:53,827 --> 00:18:56,000
- Hey! Look at you.
- Oh!
459
00:18:56,103 --> 00:18:58,329
- I like your outfit.
- Good to see you. Yeah, I like yours too.
460
00:18:58,413 --> 00:19:00,793
Dan Schneider's decision to have Amanda...
461
00:19:01,448 --> 00:19:03,413
Be the star of the show...
462
00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:05,482
Is forward thinking is a lot of ways.
463
00:19:05,586 --> 00:19:07,896
A lot of adult female comedians do not...
464
00:19:08,482 --> 00:19:09,329
Get their own shows
465
00:19:09,413 --> 00:19:11,758
without jumping through a million hoops.
466
00:19:11,862 --> 00:19:15,137
There's usually two roles that
girls occupy in Hollywood.
467
00:19:15,241 --> 00:19:18,137
One is super innocent, really sweet.
468
00:19:18,241 --> 00:19:20,896
Like Shirley Temple, cute, young.
469
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,450
And then the other side is...
470
00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:27,275
Hypersexualized,
built for male consumption.
471
00:19:29,241 --> 00:19:31,517
Amanda Bynes was like a new deviation
472
00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:35,310
as a young actress in Hollywood.
473
00:19:35,413 --> 00:19:36,689
And I hereby sentence you
474
00:19:36,793 --> 00:19:38,655
to be chased by an unpredictable man
475
00:19:38,758 --> 00:19:39,827
in a gorilla suit!
476
00:19:39,931 --> 00:19:42,241
Really personality driven.
Really funny.
477
00:19:42,344 --> 00:19:44,413
Get that done!
478
00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:47,137
For Amanda it's a spotlight
on her comedic talent,
479
00:19:47,241 --> 00:19:49,655
which is something
that is kind of rare to see.
480
00:19:49,758 --> 00:19:52,827
Ah, that's good.
481
00:19:52,931 --> 00:19:55,413
You would think that for this kind of
482
00:19:55,517 --> 00:19:57,551
strong female lead to be celebrated,
483
00:19:57,655 --> 00:19:59,955
you would have a lot of
women behind the scenes.
484
00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:01,586
In reality...
485
00:20:01,689 --> 00:20:03,310
Female writers on The Amanda Show
486
00:20:03,413 --> 00:20:05,068
told us that this experience
487
00:20:05,172 --> 00:20:07,482
was really one of the most disturbing
488
00:20:07,586 --> 00:20:09,344
in their careers.
489
00:20:09,448 --> 00:20:14,586
Working for Dan was like being
in an abusive relationship.
490
00:20:27,655 --> 00:20:28,793
At the time,
491
00:20:28,896 --> 00:20:31,551
there weren't a lot of positions for women
492
00:20:31,655 --> 00:20:32,931
in sketch comedy.
493
00:20:33,034 --> 00:20:35,827
It was very hard to navigate
494
00:20:35,931 --> 00:20:37,931
when you knew the opportunities
495
00:20:38,034 --> 00:20:40,068
for women were fewer.
496
00:20:40,172 --> 00:20:44,310
You knew you were
going in for the one spot.
497
00:20:44,413 --> 00:20:46,758
This was way back in 1999.
498
00:20:46,862 --> 00:20:50,172
There were forums where people
would talk about writing
499
00:20:50,275 --> 00:20:51,502
and it was in one of those groups,
500
00:20:51,586 --> 00:20:53,286
a television-comedy writing group.
501
00:20:54,172 --> 00:20:55,689
Dan Schneider was in that group
502
00:20:55,793 --> 00:20:57,743
and he had said that
he was working on this new
503
00:20:57,827 --> 00:20:59,019
television show for Nickelodeon.
504
00:20:59,103 --> 00:21:01,620
So I just took a shot and I asked him
505
00:21:01,724 --> 00:21:03,068
if he would read my work.
506
00:21:03,172 --> 00:21:05,241
And the story that he told me later
507
00:21:05,344 --> 00:21:08,310
was that Dan gave them
to his Writer's Assistant
508
00:21:08,413 --> 00:21:09,847
and said, you know, "Read through these
509
00:21:09,931 --> 00:21:12,344
and rate them funniest on top."
510
00:21:12,448 --> 00:21:14,648
He was surprised
to find that mine was on top
511
00:21:14,655 --> 00:21:16,793
and that's what prompted him to call me.
512
00:21:19,482 --> 00:21:22,379
I was actually sitting at my desk at work...
513
00:21:23,517 --> 00:21:25,034
...when the producers called me
514
00:21:25,137 --> 00:21:27,344
and told me that, you know,
515
00:21:27,448 --> 00:21:29,088
"Congratulations, we're offering you
516
00:21:29,172 --> 00:21:31,379
a Staff Writer position
on The Amanda Show."
517
00:21:31,482 --> 00:21:32,743
This was, like, a dream come true.
518
00:21:32,827 --> 00:21:35,724
I had been in LA for seven years
519
00:21:35,827 --> 00:21:39,379
and so it felt very satisfying
520
00:21:39,482 --> 00:21:43,379
that, um, someone was gonna pay me
521
00:21:43,793 --> 00:21:45,689
to write comedy.
522
00:21:47,413 --> 00:21:50,241
I remember speaking to the line producer
523
00:21:50,344 --> 00:21:53,068
and she said that
I was going to have to
524
00:21:53,172 --> 00:21:57,241
split a salary with a writer
that I did not know.
525
00:21:57,344 --> 00:21:59,862
So they were getting
two for the price of one.
526
00:21:59,965 --> 00:22:01,655
They were going to hire two woman
527
00:22:01,758 --> 00:22:03,413
and have them share a salary.
528
00:22:03,517 --> 00:22:05,667
And I never saw it
happen to any of the men.
529
00:22:05,724 --> 00:22:10,034
I was like, "Well, I'm excited,
I get to stop temping."
530
00:22:10,137 --> 00:22:11,241
This was my dream job.
531
00:22:11,344 --> 00:22:12,433
I mean, this is what I wanted.
532
00:22:12,517 --> 00:22:14,167
This is what
I worked so hard for.
533
00:22:15,034 --> 00:22:16,931
I'm not about to turn it down.
534
00:22:17,034 --> 00:22:19,019
I thought to myself,
"Don't be a complainer.
535
00:22:19,103 --> 00:22:22,137
You know, do whatever you have
to do to get this job."
536
00:22:25,862 --> 00:22:29,448
I remember the early days
being a lot of fun.
537
00:22:29,551 --> 00:22:33,103
We were on the Paramount lot,
which was very exciting.
538
00:22:33,206 --> 00:22:34,482
To get to walk around,
539
00:22:34,586 --> 00:22:36,655
it felt like, you know, Hollywood.
540
00:22:37,827 --> 00:22:38,881
My first week on the job,
541
00:22:38,965 --> 00:22:40,827
I got to meet my writing partner.
542
00:22:40,931 --> 00:22:42,896
Christy's very easy to get along with.
543
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,896
I mean,
I liked her immediately.
544
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,398
She was nice and fun
545
00:22:46,482 --> 00:22:49,103
and those early days were great!
546
00:22:49,206 --> 00:22:50,034
They were great.
547
00:22:51,482 --> 00:22:54,000
It was early on, when we first started,
548
00:22:54,103 --> 00:22:57,379
that Dan said he didn't
think women were funny.
549
00:22:58,586 --> 00:23:00,157
He said women can't write funny.
550
00:23:00,241 --> 00:23:03,448
He challenged us to name
a funny female writer.
551
00:23:03,551 --> 00:23:04,551
And he said this
552
00:23:04,655 --> 00:23:06,827
to the writers in the writers' room.
553
00:23:06,931 --> 00:23:10,137
And that was my first
indication of trouble.
554
00:23:10,241 --> 00:23:12,847
That maybe this guy didn't really
value women in the writers' room.
555
00:23:12,931 --> 00:23:15,482
And later he had said that,
556
00:23:15,586 --> 00:23:18,364
"Hey, do you mind that I refer to
you and Christy as the girls?
557
00:23:18,448 --> 00:23:20,502
Are the girls in the room?
Where are the girls?"
558
00:23:20,586 --> 00:23:22,172
And we both were, like, "No."
559
00:23:22,275 --> 00:23:25,275
And he said, "Oh, good.
Because I can't stand girls
560
00:23:25,379 --> 00:23:27,379
that are uptight about things like that."
561
00:23:27,896 --> 00:23:31,793
And when he said that,
I knew that next time
562
00:23:31,896 --> 00:23:33,502
this guy asks me if I mind something,
563
00:23:33,586 --> 00:23:35,186
there's a right and wrong answer.
564
00:23:35,241 --> 00:23:36,758
And thank God
I answered right.
565
00:23:39,551 --> 00:23:41,448
Dan ran the writers' room.
566
00:23:41,551 --> 00:23:45,034
He was there anytime
we were doing any work
567
00:23:45,137 --> 00:23:48,034
and he was very playful.
568
00:23:48,137 --> 00:23:50,517
We would laugh and joke around
569
00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:53,827
and being dirty was part of the silliness.
570
00:23:53,931 --> 00:23:57,413
Hello, citizens.
My name is Penelope Taynt.
571
00:23:57,517 --> 00:23:59,448
So Penelope Taynt,
572
00:23:59,551 --> 00:24:02,448
um, is a character that Dan created.
573
00:24:02,551 --> 00:24:04,793
- My name is Penelope Taynt.
- Yeah, I know.
574
00:24:04,896 --> 00:24:07,296
He came up with the name Penelope Taynt.
575
00:24:07,344 --> 00:24:08,812
The taint is the part of the body
576
00:24:08,896 --> 00:24:10,571
that's between the penis and the anus.
577
00:24:10,655 --> 00:24:12,758
It's that skin there, that's the taint.
578
00:24:12,862 --> 00:24:14,916
And Dan had said to us
in the writers' room,
579
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,862
"Don't tell what this word really means."
580
00:24:17,965 --> 00:24:19,665
He wanted us to keep that a secret.
581
00:24:19,689 --> 00:24:22,068
I remember someone from Nickelodeon
582
00:24:22,172 --> 00:24:23,467
sitting with us and saying like,
583
00:24:23,551 --> 00:24:27,034
"Oh, does this mean,
you know, this dirty thing?"
584
00:24:27,137 --> 00:24:30,862
And Dan was like, "No. Why would
you think that's, like, tainted?
585
00:24:30,965 --> 00:24:32,364
Like you've tainted something."
586
00:24:32,448 --> 00:24:33,798
And they were like, "Okay."
587
00:24:34,379 --> 00:24:36,137
Man, that is power.
588
00:24:37,206 --> 00:24:38,448
That is power.
589
00:24:38,551 --> 00:24:40,501
That you can just say you want something
590
00:24:40,586 --> 00:24:41,965
and it's done.
591
00:24:42,931 --> 00:24:44,031
That's what I thought.
592
00:24:44,862 --> 00:24:46,413
So, it got on the show
593
00:24:46,517 --> 00:24:48,502
and it's one of those things
where it's like, "Ooh."
594
00:24:48,586 --> 00:24:50,827
You know, like, "Eh."
595
00:24:50,931 --> 00:24:52,206
It's a young girl.
596
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:55,068
And bless Amanda
and bless The Amanda Show.
597
00:24:55,172 --> 00:24:58,068
In one scene, you know, she's praying
598
00:24:58,172 --> 00:24:59,448
on a twin bed.
599
00:24:59,551 --> 00:25:02,931
There's something so slimy
about connecting this, like,
600
00:25:03,862 --> 00:25:06,310
sexualized genitalia joke
601
00:25:06,413 --> 00:25:10,931
with a little girl who's
portraying a little girl too.
602
00:25:11,034 --> 00:25:14,448
It was clear that
there was a permissibility
603
00:25:14,551 --> 00:25:17,241
around these sexualized
jokes with children.
604
00:25:17,344 --> 00:25:18,778
It was par for the course.
605
00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:21,241
Like, strange things amused Dan
606
00:25:21,344 --> 00:25:24,094
and that was just one of the
things he thought was funny.
607
00:25:24,206 --> 00:25:26,724
He liked to play pranks and jokes,
608
00:25:26,827 --> 00:25:30,379
which at first seemed fun.
609
00:25:30,482 --> 00:25:33,605
In the beginning, I would see, you know,
an instant message pop up.
610
00:25:33,689 --> 00:25:35,931
Dan would send a message
611
00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:37,724
for you to say out loud.
612
00:25:37,827 --> 00:25:39,172
Scream "hammers."
613
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,931
And you scream it.
614
00:25:42,034 --> 00:25:45,103
And then it would be more degrading, like,
615
00:25:45,206 --> 00:25:46,379
scream, "I'm an idiot,"
616
00:25:46,724 --> 00:25:48,344
or "slut."
617
00:25:48,448 --> 00:25:51,275
And if you didn't, he would
send you the message again,
618
00:25:51,379 --> 00:25:53,413
caps, exclamation points,
619
00:25:53,517 --> 00:25:55,862
he would scream out,
"Say it." until you did.
620
00:25:56,724 --> 00:25:59,172
One time Dan said,
621
00:25:59,275 --> 00:26:04,517
"I'll give you $300 to eat two pints
of ice cream in 30 minutes."
622
00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:05,896
And I'm like, "Yeah."
623
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,655
I've got no money,
I've got half a salary,
624
00:26:08,758 --> 00:26:11,896
I will absolutely eat two pints
of ice cream in 30 minutes.
625
00:26:12,896 --> 00:26:14,000
And I did,
626
00:26:14,103 --> 00:26:16,655
and I was throwing up
afterwards but it was fine.
627
00:26:18,068 --> 00:26:19,482
Then the money didn't come
628
00:26:19,586 --> 00:26:21,655
and I knew he must've forgotten about it.
629
00:26:21,758 --> 00:26:23,558
So one day he said...
630
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:25,413
... "Somebody kill that fly for $30."
631
00:26:25,517 --> 00:26:27,467
And I go, "Should I add it to your tab?"
632
00:26:29,655 --> 00:26:31,724
Dan took me into his office
633
00:26:31,827 --> 00:26:36,103
and he said, "How dare you accuse
me of not making good on my bets?"
634
00:26:36,206 --> 00:26:39,571
And I was like, "No, no, no, no. I was,
I was just kinda kidding around."
635
00:26:39,655 --> 00:26:44,931
He had, um, fostered this
very casual, fun atmosphere,
636
00:26:45,034 --> 00:26:48,068
but I felt that Dan could be very volatile
637
00:26:48,172 --> 00:26:52,034
and could turn any moment.
638
00:26:52,793 --> 00:26:55,551
I was... I was scared.
639
00:27:08,965 --> 00:27:11,502
In a lot of ways,
Nickelodeon was creating this
640
00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:13,329
culture where it was a mini Hollywood.
641
00:27:13,413 --> 00:27:14,793
Like a Hollywood for kids
642
00:27:14,896 --> 00:27:17,226
where all these actors are kind
of competing for the same roles,
643
00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:18,329
they all know each other
644
00:27:18,413 --> 00:27:21,206
and they are in their
own little ecosystem.
645
00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:22,571
- Are you nominated?
- Yes.
646
00:27:22,655 --> 00:27:23,709
How do you feel about that?
647
00:27:23,793 --> 00:27:25,068
Um, it's real exciting.
648
00:27:25,172 --> 00:27:26,364
I'm honored to be nominated.
649
00:27:26,448 --> 00:27:28,502
I don't think I'm gonna win,
but it's still cool.
650
00:27:28,586 --> 00:27:30,329
Something that epitomizes that really well
651
00:27:30,413 --> 00:27:31,502
is the Kids' Choice Awards,
652
00:27:31,586 --> 00:27:34,965
which is almost like the kids'
version of the Oscars.
653
00:27:36,103 --> 00:27:40,068
And the Kids'
Choice is Amanda Bynes!
654
00:27:40,172 --> 00:27:42,655
Amanda Bynes gets the Kids' Choice Awards.
655
00:27:42,758 --> 00:27:44,551
She was hugely successful
656
00:27:44,655 --> 00:27:49,724
and was becoming one of these
massive, massive A-list stars.
657
00:27:49,827 --> 00:27:52,172
Thank you all! Oh, my God!
This is so exciting!
658
00:27:52,275 --> 00:27:56,344
Okay. I want to say thank you to Nickelodeon,
Brian Robbins, Dan Schneider.
659
00:27:56,448 --> 00:27:58,931
The Amanda Show is on Nickelodeon.
660
00:27:59,034 --> 00:28:01,398
She was giving interviews,
she was on talk shows,
661
00:28:01,482 --> 00:28:03,482
she was everywhere.
662
00:28:03,586 --> 00:28:05,965
Dan Schneider was very responsible
663
00:28:06,068 --> 00:28:08,068
for Amanda Bynes' career at that point
664
00:28:08,172 --> 00:28:10,379
and they were very tied to each other
665
00:28:10,482 --> 00:28:12,103
and I think she trusted him.
666
00:28:12,206 --> 00:28:14,310
My name is Raquel Lee Bolleau
667
00:28:14,413 --> 00:28:17,758
and I was on the first season
of The Amanda Show.
668
00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:18,965
Mrs. Shane...
669
00:28:19,068 --> 00:28:21,724
The Amanda Show was huge.
It was huge!
670
00:28:21,827 --> 00:28:26,034
We had fans coming and wanting to, like,
see us every episode.
671
00:28:26,137 --> 00:28:30,758
As a 12-year-old girl,
I was over the moon.
672
00:28:30,862 --> 00:28:32,724
I was so excited.
673
00:28:32,827 --> 00:28:34,295
We'd be out and people would say,
674
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:37,206
"Oh, my goodness. You're that
girl on The Amanda Show."
675
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:38,896
It was a pretty big show.
676
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,250
There was Amanda, of course,
and there was me and Drake.
677
00:28:42,689 --> 00:28:45,965
Him and I were so silly on this show.
678
00:28:47,724 --> 00:28:49,275
Amanda was the star.
679
00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:55,137
So, I think we both knew that we weren't
the stars of the show very early on.
680
00:28:55,241 --> 00:28:56,467
She's the star so she gets
681
00:28:56,551 --> 00:28:59,068
the extra, extra handy-dandy equipment.
682
00:29:00,034 --> 00:29:02,862
On The Amanda Show,
Dan is the king maker.
683
00:29:02,965 --> 00:29:05,655
He is the one who is deciding
who gets a spin-off,
684
00:29:05,758 --> 00:29:07,793
who gets the most lines.
685
00:29:07,896 --> 00:29:09,724
If you are on
Dan's bad side,
686
00:29:09,827 --> 00:29:12,103
you kind of could
kiss your career goodbye.
687
00:29:12,206 --> 00:29:13,506
You wanted Dan to like you
688
00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:15,536
'cause if he didn't, he was mean to you.
689
00:29:16,103 --> 00:29:17,482
It's my 13th birthday.
690
00:29:17,586 --> 00:29:20,275
People brought me this big, big cake,
691
00:29:20,379 --> 00:29:21,517
like, a massive cake.
692
00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:24,226
It was great to be able to share the cake
693
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:27,103
with the whole crew and everyone else,
694
00:29:27,206 --> 00:29:30,172
but it was told to me,
"Dan's really upset."
695
00:29:30,275 --> 00:29:32,310
Like, "Why did you get her that cake?"
696
00:29:32,413 --> 00:29:33,663
Like, "That's a big cake.
697
00:29:33,758 --> 00:29:35,295
She didn't need that big of a cake."
698
00:29:35,379 --> 00:29:36,586
And I was just like...
699
00:29:37,758 --> 00:29:39,517
And I really...
I felt it.
700
00:29:42,137 --> 00:29:44,157
Of course, as a parent
you want to speak up,
701
00:29:44,241 --> 00:29:47,827
but then I just didn't want
Raquel to face any backlash
702
00:29:47,931 --> 00:29:51,172
for any behaviors that I had, uh, done.
703
00:29:52,068 --> 00:29:54,034
I remember Raquel saying to me
704
00:29:54,137 --> 00:29:56,379
she felt that he may have favored,
705
00:29:56,482 --> 00:30:00,206
uh, Drake and Amanda more than her.
706
00:30:00,310 --> 00:30:05,689
I remember Dan and Amanda Bynes being
very close on The Amanda Show
707
00:30:05,793 --> 00:30:09,344
and I think very few people
made Dan laugh.
708
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:13,310
You know, and I think she did.
709
00:30:13,413 --> 00:30:16,379
In rehearsal, she would say funny things
710
00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:17,896
and do funny things.
711
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,655
Uh, yes, this is your doctor. Yes, Doctor...
712
00:30:25,758 --> 00:30:27,965
I definitely saw Amanda
713
00:30:28,068 --> 00:30:31,379
being very close physically with Dan.
714
00:30:31,482 --> 00:30:34,655
There were many times that I saw Amanda
715
00:30:34,758 --> 00:30:36,482
sitting behind him, hugging him
716
00:30:36,586 --> 00:30:41,137
or giving him, like,
a neck massage or whatever.
717
00:30:41,241 --> 00:30:43,965
Dan and Amanda had a close relationship
718
00:30:44,068 --> 00:30:47,931
and I didn't think
anything different than that.
719
00:30:48,034 --> 00:30:49,965
The hot tub scene,
720
00:30:50,068 --> 00:30:52,206
though, I thought was always a little odd.
721
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:54,502
I am the executive producer
and I'm the headliner.
722
00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:55,847
You actually wrote the words
723
00:30:55,931 --> 00:30:57,260
we're saying to each other right now.
724
00:30:57,344 --> 00:30:58,275
Uh, yes.
725
00:30:58,379 --> 00:31:01,068
When you watch the video,
it's Amanda Bynes,
726
00:31:01,172 --> 00:31:03,241
clearly very young, wearing a swimsuit
727
00:31:03,344 --> 00:31:04,275
in a hot tub
728
00:31:04,379 --> 00:31:06,655
and next to her is Dan Schneider
729
00:31:07,137 --> 00:31:08,068
fully clothed.
730
00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:10,758
And he's kinda saying,
731
00:31:10,862 --> 00:31:12,862
I created this situation.
732
00:31:12,965 --> 00:31:14,743
I am the reason we are in this hot tub.
733
00:31:14,827 --> 00:31:16,241
I am pulling the strings.
734
00:31:16,344 --> 00:31:17,778
Now since you're the executive producer
735
00:31:17,862 --> 00:31:19,448
of the show, can I have a raise?
736
00:31:20,413 --> 00:31:21,448
No.
737
00:31:21,551 --> 00:31:24,241
Maybe at the time
people viewed it as comedy,
738
00:31:24,344 --> 00:31:25,931
but I think now some people
739
00:31:26,034 --> 00:31:28,448
are very uncomfortable
with the implication.
740
00:31:28,551 --> 00:31:30,260
For me, looking back at The Amanda Show
741
00:31:30,344 --> 00:31:33,620
is really a kinda sad
and strange experience.
742
00:31:33,724 --> 00:31:35,344
Knowing that as years went on
743
00:31:35,448 --> 00:31:36,467
Amanda and Dan's relationship
744
00:31:36,551 --> 00:31:39,000
would take a turn for the worse.
745
00:31:39,103 --> 00:31:41,103
It is also bittersweet to watch knowing
746
00:31:41,206 --> 00:31:43,571
what the women were dealing
with behind the scenes.
747
00:31:43,655 --> 00:31:46,517
He became a worse
and worse person to work for.
748
00:31:47,344 --> 00:31:49,758
Dan called me at home
749
00:31:49,862 --> 00:31:54,275
and he asked me if I was conspiring
against the company.
750
00:31:55,379 --> 00:31:57,275
He said, "If I find out that you did,
751
00:31:57,379 --> 00:31:59,679
you're never gonna
work for Nickelodeon again."
752
00:32:06,137 --> 00:32:08,787
Dan got worse and worse
as the season got on.
753
00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:11,000
And because
I was a first-time writer,
754
00:32:11,103 --> 00:32:13,931
I didn't know what was acceptable
and not acceptable.
755
00:32:14,034 --> 00:32:17,413
And so Christy and I both did things
that were uncomfortable.
756
00:32:19,586 --> 00:32:23,241
Dan was showing pornography
on his computer screen.
757
00:32:23,344 --> 00:32:24,433
He'd asked me several times
758
00:32:24,517 --> 00:32:26,019
to massage him in the writers' room
759
00:32:26,103 --> 00:32:27,517
and in the studio.
760
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:30,413
And he would say things sometimes, like,
761
00:32:30,517 --> 00:32:32,689
"Uh, can you please give me a massage?
762
00:32:32,793 --> 00:32:34,778
I'll put one of your
sketches in the show."
763
00:32:34,862 --> 00:32:37,517
And he would always present it
like a joke, you know?
764
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:40,965
And he would be laughing
while he said it, um, but...
765
00:32:41,068 --> 00:32:43,379
You always felt like disagreeing with Dan
766
00:32:43,482 --> 00:32:45,551
or saying...
Or standing up for yourself
767
00:32:45,655 --> 00:32:47,305
could result in you getting fired.
768
00:32:49,206 --> 00:32:52,344
One of the worst one was, was
we were in the writers' room
769
00:32:52,448 --> 00:32:55,482
and Christy was talking about high school,
770
00:32:55,586 --> 00:32:56,536
which is relevant because
771
00:32:56,620 --> 00:32:58,413
we're writing for a young girl,
772
00:32:58,517 --> 00:33:02,931
and Dan was just... Said,
"You know what would be funny?
773
00:33:03,034 --> 00:33:06,103
If you leaned over the table
774
00:33:06,206 --> 00:33:07,881
and acted like you were being sodomized
775
00:33:07,965 --> 00:33:10,000
and told that story about high school."
776
00:33:12,551 --> 00:33:14,344
She said no at first
777
00:33:14,448 --> 00:33:17,260
and then he was kind of like, "Oh, come on,
come on. It'd be so funny. Just do it.
778
00:33:17,344 --> 00:33:18,244
It'd be so funny."
779
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:20,275
And everyone was kind of laughing too
780
00:33:20,379 --> 00:33:22,398
'cause he's making it,
like, this big joke.
781
00:33:22,482 --> 00:33:23,743
She couldn't get out of it.
782
00:33:23,827 --> 00:33:25,177
You know, he's begging her.
783
00:33:27,758 --> 00:33:29,433
So she just leaned over the table and did
784
00:33:29,517 --> 00:33:30,965
what he asked her to do.
785
00:33:31,068 --> 00:33:33,965
Do you remember
Dan asking you
786
00:33:34,068 --> 00:33:37,103
to, um, act out being sodomized?
787
00:33:37,206 --> 00:33:38,862
Ah, I'd rather not.
788
00:33:40,034 --> 00:33:41,206
I'd rather not. I...
789
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:44,379
I don't wanna talk about that.
790
00:33:44,482 --> 00:33:45,502
I mean, it's not that I'm not,
791
00:33:45,586 --> 00:33:46,571
like, I'm not proud of it
792
00:33:46,655 --> 00:33:47,955
and I'm also, like, ugh...
793
00:33:48,482 --> 00:33:50,103
Thinking about it now,
794
00:33:50,827 --> 00:33:52,068
yeah, it's like...
795
00:33:52,172 --> 00:33:54,103
Oh, boy.
I just think of that
796
00:33:54,206 --> 00:33:58,379
poor girl and what she
had to, you know, go through.
797
00:33:58,965 --> 00:34:00,206
Um, yeah.
798
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,379
And I would not do that today,
799
00:34:05,206 --> 00:34:07,206
but I did it then.
800
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:10,034
Um, it was upsetting to watch
801
00:34:10,137 --> 00:34:13,482
because you know... I know,
I knew Christy at this point
802
00:34:13,586 --> 00:34:15,586
and I didn't feel at all comfortable
803
00:34:16,275 --> 00:34:18,655
complaining to him about
804
00:34:18,758 --> 00:34:22,482
anything that might make him feel like, "Ugh,
there's a girl in the room.
805
00:34:22,586 --> 00:34:24,517
She's killing the vibe."
806
00:34:24,620 --> 00:34:25,536
You don't want to be viewed
807
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:28,068
as the person that can't take a joke.
808
00:34:28,965 --> 00:34:30,467
It was probably the wrongest thing
809
00:34:30,551 --> 00:34:31,812
I've ever seen happen to a woman in
810
00:34:31,896 --> 00:34:33,446
a professional environment ever.
811
00:34:35,413 --> 00:34:38,019
And then all of a sudden I had
heard about mid-season,
812
00:34:38,103 --> 00:34:41,655
um, that having
the writers split their salary
813
00:34:41,758 --> 00:34:44,551
was against the rules for the show.
814
00:34:44,655 --> 00:34:48,000
So I called the Writers Guild
to ask them if that was true.
815
00:34:48,103 --> 00:34:50,753
Can, can there be teams
on this show and they said no.
816
00:34:52,103 --> 00:34:53,364
Jenny told me this
817
00:34:53,448 --> 00:34:55,310
and I was going, like, "Wow.
818
00:34:55,413 --> 00:34:58,413
They were trying to pull a fast one."
819
00:35:02,793 --> 00:35:04,243
Dan called me at home
820
00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:07,862
and he asked me if I was
821
00:35:07,965 --> 00:35:09,793
conspiring against the company.
822
00:35:11,344 --> 00:35:13,896
He had found out that the guild was now
823
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,034
requiring him to pay
for our separate salaries
824
00:35:17,137 --> 00:35:19,172
and he wanted to know if...
825
00:35:19,275 --> 00:35:21,053
If I was the one that made that happen.
826
00:35:21,137 --> 00:35:22,862
"'Cause if I find out that you did,
827
00:35:22,965 --> 00:35:24,916
you're never gonna
work for Nickelodeon again
828
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,103
or for any Viacom project."
829
00:35:27,206 --> 00:35:30,931
I was terrified 'cause I'd never
seen him quite that scary before
830
00:35:31,034 --> 00:35:34,724
and also, you know, angry too.
831
00:35:34,827 --> 00:35:38,862
He had gotten caught doing
something ethically wrong
832
00:35:38,965 --> 00:35:42,000
and said, "If I find out you told on me,
833
00:35:42,103 --> 00:35:45,000
I'm going to do something
even worse to you.
834
00:35:45,103 --> 00:35:46,503
You're not gonna work again."
835
00:35:48,689 --> 00:35:52,793
I think things started to change with Dan.
836
00:35:53,827 --> 00:35:55,344
You could feel his presence.
837
00:35:56,862 --> 00:36:00,000
When he walked on the set,
the crew could feel it.
838
00:36:01,896 --> 00:36:05,241
He wasn't the happy guy
making jokes anymore.
839
00:36:05,344 --> 00:36:07,620
There was a few times when he came down
840
00:36:07,724 --> 00:36:10,000
that he lit everybody up.
841
00:36:10,724 --> 00:36:12,068
Dan yelled a lot.
842
00:36:12,172 --> 00:36:13,724
Dan was like a tornado.
843
00:36:13,827 --> 00:36:15,793
He'd come in and, like, phew...
844
00:36:15,896 --> 00:36:18,931
You'd be like, "Wow. Okay.
What just happened?"
845
00:36:19,034 --> 00:36:20,965
Dan showed up.
846
00:36:21,068 --> 00:36:23,931
The set would not feel the same when,
when he would leave
847
00:36:24,034 --> 00:36:26,241
because, you know, I think
848
00:36:26,344 --> 00:36:29,482
because everybody
was on their toes, scared.
849
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:31,984
He could literally be nice
850
00:36:32,068 --> 00:36:33,418
and then mean and then nice
851
00:36:33,517 --> 00:36:35,122
and then mean, like, throughout the day.
852
00:36:35,206 --> 00:36:36,356
So one minute I'm like,
853
00:36:36,448 --> 00:36:38,536
"I've got Dan wrong. He's really
nice. He's supportive."
854
00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:40,870
and then, like,
an hour later I could be like,
855
00:36:41,172 --> 00:36:42,572
"This guy is scary as hell."
856
00:36:45,034 --> 00:36:49,724
We were all feeling,
near the end, paranoid,
857
00:36:49,827 --> 00:36:52,758
uncomfortable, um...
858
00:36:52,862 --> 00:36:56,448
It was just a bad...
It was just a bad vibe.
859
00:36:56,551 --> 00:37:01,379
We all felt like, you know,
the axe could drop at any moment.
860
00:37:03,241 --> 00:37:05,310
It was our last week of work
861
00:37:05,413 --> 00:37:07,793
for Season one of The Amanda Show.
862
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,068
I had this meeting at my manager's office
863
00:37:12,172 --> 00:37:17,241
and, uh, by the time I got in my
car to go back to the office,
864
00:37:17,793 --> 00:37:20,068
I had been fired.
865
00:37:20,172 --> 00:37:22,522
Dan, basically, owned all of your time.
866
00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:25,000
Your weekends, after work,
867
00:37:25,103 --> 00:37:29,689
and Christy had done two personal
things during the season, like,
868
00:37:29,793 --> 00:37:32,758
she had gone to a concert on the weekend
869
00:37:32,862 --> 00:37:35,068
and she had friends over one night
870
00:37:35,172 --> 00:37:38,896
and she basically got fired for that.
871
00:37:40,344 --> 00:37:43,862
It just felt very vindictive that, um,
872
00:37:43,965 --> 00:37:48,482
it was three days, three more
days of, of, of being paid.
873
00:37:48,586 --> 00:37:51,241
So I went back to temping
and I had nothing.
874
00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:58,847
I went down to the studio to meet with Dan
875
00:37:58,931 --> 00:38:01,448
about Season two.
He said, "Here's the deal.
876
00:38:01,551 --> 00:38:04,051
We're bringing you back
for Season 2, staff writer.
877
00:38:04,068 --> 00:38:06,482
We're offering you a 16-week contract,
878
00:38:06,586 --> 00:38:08,486
but you need to work the whole season."
879
00:38:08,517 --> 00:38:10,793
Which was,
I believe, 27 weeks.
880
00:38:10,896 --> 00:38:13,379
He was telling me I had
to work 11 weeks for free
881
00:38:13,482 --> 00:38:14,655
and I was devastated.
882
00:38:15,482 --> 00:38:16,433
'Cause I'd proven myself.
883
00:38:16,517 --> 00:38:19,137
I'd written well,
I'd paid my dues
884
00:38:19,241 --> 00:38:21,691
and he said, This is
all the money that we have."
885
00:38:22,241 --> 00:38:24,053
And then, meanwhile, he hired a white male
886
00:38:24,137 --> 00:38:25,724
at full salary.
887
00:38:25,827 --> 00:38:27,931
No credits, you know, first job
888
00:38:28,034 --> 00:38:29,482
but he's asking me,
889
00:38:29,586 --> 00:38:31,310
second season on the same show,
890
00:38:31,413 --> 00:38:33,213
"You have to work 11 weeks for free."
891
00:38:38,965 --> 00:38:41,172
I lasted four days in Season two.
892
00:38:43,724 --> 00:38:45,413
Dan gave us this assignment,
893
00:38:45,517 --> 00:38:48,034
asked all the male writers
into his office,
894
00:38:48,137 --> 00:38:48,965
and left me out,
895
00:38:50,137 --> 00:38:51,586
and then he called me in
896
00:38:51,689 --> 00:38:53,448
and all the men were standing
897
00:38:53,551 --> 00:38:55,827
and Dan was behind his desk.
898
00:38:55,931 --> 00:38:58,862
And he said, "Okay, pitch your idea."
899
00:39:01,206 --> 00:39:02,379
I pitched my idea
900
00:39:02,931 --> 00:39:04,517
and he said,
901
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:06,320
"Didn't you used to do phone sex?"
902
00:39:07,793 --> 00:39:09,689
Just like that, like, out of nowhere.
903
00:39:10,551 --> 00:39:11,651
I was like, "No, Dan."
904
00:39:11,655 --> 00:39:12,640
And he goes like, "Didn't you tell us?
905
00:39:12,724 --> 00:39:14,053
Didn't you say that last season,
906
00:39:14,137 --> 00:39:17,037
that you used to have a job like that,
something like that?"
907
00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:18,275
No.
908
00:39:18,379 --> 00:39:19,448
I was destroyed.
909
00:39:19,551 --> 00:39:21,344
I went outside,
I was crying.
910
00:39:21,448 --> 00:39:22,620
I can't do this.
911
00:39:22,724 --> 00:39:24,689
So, I did. I went home and I quit.
912
00:39:26,034 --> 00:39:27,344
And it was so devastating.
913
00:39:27,448 --> 00:39:29,793
It was so hard to let go of that job but...
914
00:39:31,965 --> 00:39:33,191
I mean, I just couldn't do it anymore.
915
00:39:33,275 --> 00:39:35,226
There's no way I was
gonna be the only woman
916
00:39:35,310 --> 00:39:37,517
in that world with him. No way.
917
00:39:48,103 --> 00:39:50,965
I was at my temping job.
918
00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:53,344
I get a call from Jenny,
919
00:39:53,448 --> 00:39:54,620
"I'm suing Dan."
920
00:39:55,896 --> 00:39:57,724
And I remember thinking...
921
00:39:58,896 --> 00:40:00,551
Like, it just took me by surprise
922
00:40:00,655 --> 00:40:02,379
because we were all afraid.
923
00:40:02,482 --> 00:40:06,275
We are all afraid. That's why just
me and Jenny are talking to you.
924
00:40:06,379 --> 00:40:09,206
Like, people are afraid of him.
925
00:40:09,310 --> 00:40:11,551
The reason
I did it was because
926
00:40:11,655 --> 00:40:14,191
I didn't want this to be happening
to other women in the future.
927
00:40:14,275 --> 00:40:19,827
She said, "Hey, um, can,
can you write a letter on my behalf?"
928
00:40:19,931 --> 00:40:21,758
And I said, "Of course, I will."
929
00:40:23,413 --> 00:40:24,398
And so then I hired...
930
00:40:24,482 --> 00:40:28,103
I hired a lawyer
and started blowing whistles.
931
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:32,965
So my lawyer filed complaints
932
00:40:33,068 --> 00:40:35,517
against the production company
933
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:38,137
for gender discrimination,
934
00:40:38,241 --> 00:40:41,448
hostile work environment, harassment...
935
00:40:42,275 --> 00:40:43,517
Yeah, and in response
936
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:45,448
they did an internal investigation
937
00:40:46,241 --> 00:40:47,275
and they settled,
938
00:40:47,379 --> 00:40:49,862
but it had a lasting impact on my career.
939
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:51,517
I mean, I knew that.
940
00:40:51,620 --> 00:40:53,398
I knew that this was the end of my career,
941
00:40:53,482 --> 00:40:54,932
so it had better be worth it.
942
00:40:54,965 --> 00:40:56,215
Like, it had better stop.
943
00:40:56,241 --> 00:40:58,862
And to learn that it didn't stop?
944
00:41:00,448 --> 00:41:01,848
That it was all for nothing?
945
00:41:06,034 --> 00:41:09,034
The Amanda Show was
Dan Schneider's first show
946
00:41:09,137 --> 00:41:10,019
and he had a complaint
947
00:41:10,103 --> 00:41:11,640
against him for gender discrimination
948
00:41:11,724 --> 00:41:13,586
and creating a toxic work place,
949
00:41:13,689 --> 00:41:16,206
on his first big show that he did.
950
00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:18,724
So a lot of the seeds
of the issues that we see
951
00:41:18,827 --> 00:41:20,226
throughout
Dan Schneider's empire,
952
00:41:20,310 --> 00:41:21,640
were there from the beginning.
953
00:41:21,724 --> 00:41:24,758
How safe can any kids
be in that environment
954
00:41:24,862 --> 00:41:26,379
if that's how the adult women
955
00:41:26,482 --> 00:41:28,379
are being treated behind the scenes?
956
00:41:31,448 --> 00:41:33,226
And on Dan's shows there was always this,
957
00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:35,862
kind of, murkiness in what was appropriate
958
00:41:35,965 --> 00:41:37,689
and what was inappropriate.
959
00:41:37,793 --> 00:41:39,379
I don't like this.
960
00:41:39,482 --> 00:41:42,191
But there would be even bigger
problems down the line
961
00:41:42,275 --> 00:41:44,827
with actual pedophiles on set.
962
00:41:47,793 --> 00:41:51,122
Van Nuys division officers have arrested
a suspected child predator
963
00:41:51,206 --> 00:41:52,206
charged with kissing
964
00:41:52,275 --> 00:41:54,344
and touching a nine-year-old girl,
965
00:41:54,448 --> 00:41:56,798
but officers believe
there may be more victims.
73381
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