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There's,
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There's, kind
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There's, kind of,
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There's, kind of, the
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There's, kind of, the vanilla
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There's, kind of, the vanilla
world
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There's, kind of, the vanilla
world that
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There's, kind of, the vanilla
world that most
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There's, kind of, the vanilla
world that most people
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There's, kind of, the vanilla
world that most people live
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There's, kind of, the vanilla
world that most people live in
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with a job and a house
and a kid.
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There's this other world
right under the surface of that,
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this very gray.
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And in that shady side
of the world,
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there are people that profit
off of deception.
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Understanding what someone
needs and someone wants,
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that is the real art of the con.
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They'll see a crowd,
and they say,
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"there's a lot of people
with my money in their pocket."
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And I want to do something
about that."
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♪♪
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In "Better Call Saul,"
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Jimmy and Kim pulled off
a spontaneous con,
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playing the parts of
inexperienced investors
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Viktor and Giselle
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to scam sleazy businessman
Ken Wins
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into buying them rounds
Zafira Añejo.
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Why?
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Well, because they could do it.
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Most of us believe that
we're too smart to be conned.
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Don't think it can
happen to you?
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Maybe that's the first step
in falling for a con.
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♪♪
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My name is Logan Devine,
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Simon Quinn, John Foster,
Declan McManus.
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My name is Aiden Sinclair,
and I'm a retired grifter.
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♪♪
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I had 7 to 10
different identities.
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I had a suitcase full of stuff.
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And I might put on a Notre Dame
sweatshirt and a hat
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and be a college kid.
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Other days, I'd put on
a $2,000 Hugo Boss suit.
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I was living in
a penthouse suite,
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a Porsche and a Jaguar
in the garage.
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That life becomes addictive.
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It's the edge.
It's the rush.
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It's the adrenaline.
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Robbins:
A con artist enjoys
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getting something
for nothing.
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And they're also going
to play upon that desire
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in their fellow man.
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♪♪
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Sinclair: I grew up here
in Hell's Kitchen.
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Back then, it was a really,
kind of, rough neighborhood.
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All of Times Square
was porn theaters,
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and there was always
police sirens.
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At about 6, I lost my father,
got adopted,
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ended up in this kind of
difficult house --
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you know, a lot of alcohol,
a lot of fists flying.
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By the time I was 10,
I was pretty much on my own.
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I started to skip school,
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and one time, I ran into
a Three-card Monte game.
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I caught on to it
pretty quick.
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And I enjoyed the theater of it.
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He would deliberately
drop a card
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or give a tell and...
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Man: Which one you got?
Which one you got?
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There was always a winner,
and it was his own employees.
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So the money was all
just going in one big circle.
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The guy that I learned
Three-card Monte from
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had this ethos of,
"It's your fault.
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You should know better.
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Why would you ever put
your money on that table?"
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But every day, people did.
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Whether it's Three-card Monte
or a pyramid scam,
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20 bucks or $20 million,
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it's all the same.
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A con artist is playing
upon the greed
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of the victim, the mark,
the sucker.
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♪♪
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A "mark" comes from,
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in the old carnivals,
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the ticket booths
were very high.
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When someone opened
their wallet,
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if they had a lot of cash,
the ticket taker could see that,
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and they'd give a sign
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to someone
who's working the crowd.
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And they'd go up to the person
and they'd say,
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"you know, have a good time.
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Hope you have a good time
at carnival."
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And they had a piece of chalk
in their hand
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and literally would put a mark
on the person's back.
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"They have the money."
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Sinclair: Everything is about
sizing someone up.
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Can you get the outcome
that you need?
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Former professional grifter
Aiden Sinclair
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made a career
out of conning those
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who never thought
they would become a mark.
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Sinclair: Back in the '90s,
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I set up
an underground poker room
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in Washington, D.C.
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I had a guy one night
that lost all of his money.
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He was a lobbyist
for the platinum industry.
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So he comes up to me and says,
"hey, can we get some credit?"
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I said, "no, we don't do that."
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So he reaches in his pocket,
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and he pulls out
a platinum ingot,
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almost a quarter-million dollars
in platinum.
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"Would you hold this
for 24 hours?"
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I was like, "that, I can do."
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We have him.
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When you come back tomorrow
to get the bar of platinum,
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there is no safe,
there is no room.
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There is nothing.
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Poof.
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Robbins: Ideally, you want
to take down someone
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that deserves to lose it.
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Then you can feel good about it,
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'cause they had it coming.
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Sinclair:
But one of the girls
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that worked for us
at the room
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had been in a relationship
with a guy
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that was immensely abusive,
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took all of her money,
kind of left her on the street,
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just a pretty horrible human.
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We decided we'd at least
get this girl her money back.
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Once she let us know
that he played cards,
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then we kind of had him.
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He was a money guy.
He dealt in a lot of jewelry.
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We were able to entice
this guy into the room,
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sat him at the table,
and made sure he lost.
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We had a bruiser
of a bodyguard guy
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to pull him aside,
and I explained him
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he needed to come up
with collateral
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to cover the loss
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or he might have an accident.
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He came back with diamonds
from work
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that he shouldn't have touched.
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And then we called his boss.
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Yeah, and he went to jail.
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We fenced the diamonds off.
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We made some good money.
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We gave her a good score.
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I think there's
a certain karma.
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♪♪
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In the world of grift,
you come into a place,
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you make your score,
and then you disappear.
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It's the idea of walking
between raindrops
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and not being noticed.
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The problem with that is that
if you do it for a long time,
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you become invisible.
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For 15 years of my life,
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I didn't live under
my real name.
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No personal attachments,
no family, no friends.
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I didn't exist.
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Once you go into that world,
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you're going to open yourself up
to doing other things
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that you didn't think
you would end up doing.
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It depends, you know,
how you want to sleep at night.
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There's an old saying
that's very much a misnomer,
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which is you can't cheat
an honest man,
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and you can.
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♪♪
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Sinclair: I was trying
to get off the grid.
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I ended up bartending
in Jackson Hole, Wyoming,
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and I ran into a guy
that was an FBI agent.
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I had to get out of town.
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The problem was
I only had about 200 bucks.
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The restaurant I was working in
had this book.
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So when you called
to make a reservation,
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"What's your
credit card number?"
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And it was written down
on a piece of paper.
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I had somebody
that I got to know
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and was like,
"hey, you know,
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my uncle owns
the tour company in Ireland
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and wants to start bringing
Irish tourists here to America.
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Do you want to be
in the tourism business?"
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"Yeah, that would be
kind of fun."
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So he started the company
in his name.
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So you're gonna need
a credit card processor.
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And then we spent
about three hours
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running about
100 different credit cards
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through that machine.
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We made about $125,000 in a day.
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And within 48 hours,
I was in the wind.
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I was gone,
didn't exist.
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That poor guy went from being
very happy one day of like,
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"I'm a business owner
and everything's great"
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to his entire world
falling in on him.
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♪♪
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I spent 15 years of my life
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making money
at the expense of others.
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And I hit a point
where I was like,
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"I'm not the good guy
in my story."
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How do you change that?
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You can't undo the things
that you did.
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I think what you can do, though,
is take accountability
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for the things
that you do wrong in life.
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And that was five years
of my life in prison.
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But walking out of prison,
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I can look in a mirror and go,
"you know what?
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I made a lot of mistakes
in my life,
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and I'm trying to be better."
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And you try to be
better every day.
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Con artistry
will always be around
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because con artistry
relies upon human nature.
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Everyone is vulnerable.
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You roll the dice
and take your chances.
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But if you protect yourself,
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if you don't think
you're smarter than you are,
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If something seems
too good to be true,
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it isn't true.
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You don't play the game,
you won't lose.
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♪♪
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What constitutes a con
that's gone too far?
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Is it the one-off short-cons
of Slippin' Jimmy,
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or the faux-legal cons
of Saul Goodman?
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Or is it the life-ruining
long cons of true grifters?
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Can you really cheat
an honest person?
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Are there any real honest people
left to be cheated?
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♪♪
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