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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,542 --> 00:00:00,583 There's, 2 00:00:00,583 --> 00:00:00,625 There's, kind 3 00:00:00,625 --> 00:00:00,667 There's, kind of, 4 00:00:00,667 --> 00:00:00,750 There's, kind of, the 5 00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:00,875 There's, kind of, the vanilla 6 00:00:00,875 --> 00:00:00,959 There's, kind of, the vanilla world 7 00:00:00,959 --> 00:00:01,001 There's, kind of, the vanilla world that 8 00:00:01,001 --> 00:00:01,084 There's, kind of, the vanilla world that most 9 00:00:01,084 --> 00:00:01,126 There's, kind of, the vanilla world that most people 10 00:00:01,126 --> 00:00:02,002 There's, kind of, the vanilla world that most people live 11 00:00:02,002 --> 00:00:02,585 There's, kind of, the vanilla world that most people live in 12 00:00:02,585 --> 00:00:04,045 with a job and a house and a kid. 13 00:00:04,045 --> 00:00:06,506 There's this other world right under the surface of that, 14 00:00:06,506 --> 00:00:07,882 this very gray. 15 00:00:07,882 --> 00:00:09,676 And in that shady side of the world, 16 00:00:09,676 --> 00:00:12,721 there are people that profit off of deception. 17 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:15,890 Understanding what someone needs and someone wants, 18 00:00:15,890 --> 00:00:18,226 that is the real art of the con. 19 00:00:18,226 --> 00:00:20,020 They'll see a crowd, and they say, 20 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:23,106 "there's a lot of people with my money in their pocket." 21 00:00:23,106 --> 00:00:25,066 And I want to do something about that." 22 00:00:25,066 --> 00:00:31,573 ♪♪ 23 00:00:31,573 --> 00:00:32,949 In "Better Call Saul," 24 00:00:32,949 --> 00:00:35,660 Jimmy and Kim pulled off a spontaneous con, 25 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:38,246 playing the parts of inexperienced investors 26 00:00:38,246 --> 00:00:39,497 Viktor and Giselle 27 00:00:39,497 --> 00:00:41,958 to scam sleazy businessman Ken Wins 28 00:00:41,958 --> 00:00:45,170 into buying them rounds Zafira Añejo. 29 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:45,962 Why? 30 00:00:45,962 --> 00:00:47,338 Well, because they could do it. 31 00:00:47,338 --> 00:00:50,884 Most of us believe that we're too smart to be conned. 32 00:00:50,884 --> 00:00:53,511 Don't think it can happen to you? 33 00:00:53,511 --> 00:00:57,515 Maybe that's the first step in falling for a con. 34 00:00:57,515 --> 00:01:01,811 ♪♪ 35 00:01:01,811 --> 00:01:02,896 My name is Logan Devine, 36 00:01:02,896 --> 00:01:05,148 Simon Quinn, John Foster, Declan McManus. 37 00:01:05,148 --> 00:01:08,902 My name is Aiden Sinclair, and I'm a retired grifter. 38 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:09,944 ♪♪ 39 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:12,447 I had 7 to 10 different identities. 40 00:01:12,447 --> 00:01:14,115 I had a suitcase full of stuff. 41 00:01:14,115 --> 00:01:17,452 And I might put on a Notre Dame sweatshirt and a hat 42 00:01:17,452 --> 00:01:18,787 and be a college kid. 43 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:22,540 Other days, I'd put on a $2,000 Hugo Boss suit. 44 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:24,084 I was living in a penthouse suite, 45 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:26,503 a Porsche and a Jaguar in the garage. 46 00:01:26,503 --> 00:01:28,296 That life becomes addictive. 47 00:01:28,296 --> 00:01:30,173 It's the edge. It's the rush. 48 00:01:30,173 --> 00:01:31,424 It's the adrenaline. 49 00:01:31,424 --> 00:01:33,301 Robbins: A con artist enjoys 50 00:01:33,301 --> 00:01:35,720 getting something for nothing. 51 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,057 And they're also going to play upon that desire 52 00:01:39,057 --> 00:01:40,683 in their fellow man. 53 00:01:40,683 --> 00:01:42,477 ♪♪ 54 00:01:42,477 --> 00:01:44,062 Sinclair: I grew up here in Hell's Kitchen. 55 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:47,023 Back then, it was a really, kind of, rough neighborhood. 56 00:01:47,023 --> 00:01:50,527 All of Times Square was porn theaters, 57 00:01:50,527 --> 00:01:52,821 and there was always police sirens. 58 00:01:52,821 --> 00:01:56,366 At about 6, I lost my father, got adopted, 59 00:01:56,366 --> 00:01:57,909 ended up in this kind of difficult house -- 60 00:01:57,909 --> 00:02:00,411 you know, a lot of alcohol, a lot of fists flying. 61 00:02:00,411 --> 00:02:03,289 By the time I was 10, I was pretty much on my own. 62 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:04,707 I started to skip school, 63 00:02:04,707 --> 00:02:08,294 and one time, I ran into a Three-card Monte game. 64 00:02:08,294 --> 00:02:11,798 I caught on to it pretty quick. 65 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:13,675 And I enjoyed the theater of it. 66 00:02:13,675 --> 00:02:15,260 He would deliberately drop a card 67 00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:16,386 or give a tell and... 68 00:02:16,386 --> 00:02:18,138 Man: Which one you got? Which one you got? 69 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:20,598 There was always a winner, and it was his own employees. 70 00:02:20,598 --> 00:02:23,184 So the money was all just going in one big circle. 71 00:02:23,184 --> 00:02:25,103 The guy that I learned Three-card Monte from 72 00:02:25,103 --> 00:02:27,730 had this ethos of, "It's your fault. 73 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:29,023 You should know better. 74 00:02:29,023 --> 00:02:31,234 Why would you ever put your money on that table?" 75 00:02:31,234 --> 00:02:32,819 But every day, people did. 76 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:36,573 Whether it's Three-card Monte or a pyramid scam, 77 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:38,741 20 bucks or $20 million, 78 00:02:38,741 --> 00:02:39,993 it's all the same. 79 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:42,203 A con artist is playing upon the greed 80 00:02:42,203 --> 00:02:44,831 of the victim, the mark, the sucker. 81 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:46,374 ♪♪ 82 00:02:46,374 --> 00:02:47,959 A "mark" comes from, 83 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:49,502 in the old carnivals, 84 00:02:49,502 --> 00:02:51,129 the ticket booths were very high. 85 00:02:51,129 --> 00:02:52,630 When someone opened their wallet, 86 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:55,717 if they had a lot of cash, the ticket taker could see that, 87 00:02:55,717 --> 00:02:57,051 and they'd give a sign 88 00:02:57,051 --> 00:02:59,012 to someone who's working the crowd. 89 00:02:59,012 --> 00:03:01,014 And they'd go up to the person and they'd say, 90 00:03:01,014 --> 00:03:02,182 "you know, have a good time. 91 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:03,600 Hope you have a good time at carnival." 92 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,185 And they had a piece of chalk in their hand 93 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,478 and literally would put a mark on the person's back. 94 00:03:07,478 --> 00:03:08,771 "They have the money." 95 00:03:08,771 --> 00:03:11,524 Sinclair: Everything is about sizing someone up. 96 00:03:11,524 --> 00:03:14,402 Can you get the outcome that you need? 97 00:03:14,402 --> 00:03:16,654 Former professional grifter Aiden Sinclair 98 00:03:16,654 --> 00:03:18,907 made a career out of conning those 99 00:03:18,907 --> 00:03:21,951 who never thought they would become a mark. 100 00:03:21,951 --> 00:03:23,494 Sinclair: Back in the '90s, 101 00:03:23,494 --> 00:03:25,455 I set up an underground poker room 102 00:03:25,455 --> 00:03:26,664 in Washington, D.C. 103 00:03:26,664 --> 00:03:28,958 I had a guy one night that lost all of his money. 104 00:03:28,958 --> 00:03:31,252 He was a lobbyist for the platinum industry. 105 00:03:31,252 --> 00:03:34,589 So he comes up to me and says, "hey, can we get some credit?" 106 00:03:34,589 --> 00:03:35,798 I said, "no, we don't do that." 107 00:03:35,798 --> 00:03:36,841 So he reaches in his pocket, 108 00:03:36,841 --> 00:03:38,426 and he pulls out a platinum ingot, 109 00:03:38,426 --> 00:03:40,220 almost a quarter-million dollars in platinum. 110 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:43,097 "Would you hold this for 24 hours?" 111 00:03:43,097 --> 00:03:44,974 I was like, "that, I can do." 112 00:03:44,974 --> 00:03:46,184 We have him. 113 00:03:46,184 --> 00:03:49,020 When you come back tomorrow to get the bar of platinum, 114 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:51,648 there is no safe, there is no room. 115 00:03:51,648 --> 00:03:52,982 There is nothing. 116 00:03:52,982 --> 00:03:54,400 Poof. 117 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,236 Robbins: Ideally, you want to take down someone 118 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:57,779 that deserves to lose it. 119 00:03:57,779 --> 00:03:59,489 Then you can feel good about it, 120 00:03:59,489 --> 00:04:00,615 'cause they had it coming. 121 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:01,950 Sinclair: But one of the girls 122 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:03,243 that worked for us at the room 123 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:04,911 had been in a relationship with a guy 124 00:04:04,911 --> 00:04:06,246 that was immensely abusive, 125 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:09,374 took all of her money, kind of left her on the street, 126 00:04:09,374 --> 00:04:11,209 just a pretty horrible human. 127 00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:14,712 We decided we'd at least get this girl her money back. 128 00:04:14,712 --> 00:04:17,173 Once she let us know that he played cards, 129 00:04:17,173 --> 00:04:18,383 then we kind of had him. 130 00:04:18,383 --> 00:04:20,718 He was a money guy. He dealt in a lot of jewelry. 131 00:04:20,718 --> 00:04:23,221 We were able to entice this guy into the room, 132 00:04:23,221 --> 00:04:25,974 sat him at the table, and made sure he lost. 133 00:04:25,974 --> 00:04:28,351 We had a bruiser of a bodyguard guy 134 00:04:28,351 --> 00:04:29,936 to pull him aside, and I explained him 135 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:31,688 he needed to come up with collateral 136 00:04:31,688 --> 00:04:33,022 to cover the loss 137 00:04:33,022 --> 00:04:34,857 or he might have an accident. 138 00:04:34,857 --> 00:04:36,985 He came back with diamonds from work 139 00:04:36,985 --> 00:04:38,903 that he shouldn't have touched. 140 00:04:38,903 --> 00:04:40,655 And then we called his boss. 141 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:42,615 Yeah, and he went to jail. 142 00:04:42,615 --> 00:04:44,492 We fenced the diamonds off. 143 00:04:44,492 --> 00:04:45,827 We made some good money. 144 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:47,870 We gave her a good score. 145 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:50,498 I think there's a certain karma. 146 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:52,041 ♪♪ 147 00:04:52,041 --> 00:04:53,960 In the world of grift, you come into a place, 148 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,046 you make your score, and then you disappear. 149 00:04:57,046 --> 00:04:59,424 It's the idea of walking between raindrops 150 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:00,925 and not being noticed. 151 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:03,636 The problem with that is that if you do it for a long time, 152 00:05:03,636 --> 00:05:04,929 you become invisible. 153 00:05:04,929 --> 00:05:05,972 For 15 years of my life, 154 00:05:05,972 --> 00:05:07,348 I didn't live under my real name. 155 00:05:07,348 --> 00:05:10,810 No personal attachments, no family, no friends. 156 00:05:10,810 --> 00:05:13,313 I didn't exist. 157 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:14,605 Once you go into that world, 158 00:05:14,605 --> 00:05:16,774 you're going to open yourself up to doing other things 159 00:05:16,774 --> 00:05:18,735 that you didn't think you would end up doing. 160 00:05:18,735 --> 00:05:22,363 It depends, you know, how you want to sleep at night. 161 00:05:22,363 --> 00:05:24,407 There's an old saying that's very much a misnomer, 162 00:05:24,407 --> 00:05:26,242 which is you can't cheat an honest man, 163 00:05:26,242 --> 00:05:27,535 and you can. 164 00:05:27,535 --> 00:05:28,619 ♪♪ 165 00:05:28,619 --> 00:05:30,121 Sinclair: I was trying to get off the grid. 166 00:05:30,121 --> 00:05:33,082 I ended up bartending in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, 167 00:05:33,082 --> 00:05:36,210 and I ran into a guy that was an FBI agent. 168 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:37,420 I had to get out of town. 169 00:05:37,420 --> 00:05:39,172 The problem was I only had about 200 bucks. 170 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:41,924 The restaurant I was working in had this book. 171 00:05:41,924 --> 00:05:43,634 So when you called to make a reservation, 172 00:05:43,634 --> 00:05:45,011 "What's your credit card number?" 173 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:47,096 And it was written down on a piece of paper. 174 00:05:47,096 --> 00:05:50,350 I had somebody that I got to know 175 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:51,768 and was like, "hey, you know, 176 00:05:51,768 --> 00:05:53,478 my uncle owns the tour company in Ireland 177 00:05:53,478 --> 00:05:56,647 and wants to start bringing Irish tourists here to America. 178 00:05:56,647 --> 00:05:59,108 Do you want to be in the tourism business?" 179 00:05:59,108 --> 00:06:00,401 "Yeah, that would be kind of fun." 180 00:06:00,401 --> 00:06:02,236 So he started the company in his name. 181 00:06:02,236 --> 00:06:04,697 So you're gonna need a credit card processor. 182 00:06:04,697 --> 00:06:07,909 And then we spent about three hours 183 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:10,203 running about 100 different credit cards 184 00:06:10,203 --> 00:06:11,454 through that machine. 185 00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:14,374 We made about $125,000 in a day. 186 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:17,043 And within 48 hours, I was in the wind. 187 00:06:17,043 --> 00:06:19,921 I was gone, didn't exist. 188 00:06:19,921 --> 00:06:23,257 That poor guy went from being very happy one day of like, 189 00:06:23,257 --> 00:06:26,010 "I'm a business owner and everything's great" 190 00:06:26,010 --> 00:06:28,763 to his entire world falling in on him. 191 00:06:28,763 --> 00:06:30,348 ♪♪ 192 00:06:30,348 --> 00:06:31,516 I spent 15 years of my life 193 00:06:31,516 --> 00:06:33,476 making money at the expense of others. 194 00:06:33,476 --> 00:06:35,853 And I hit a point where I was like, 195 00:06:35,853 --> 00:06:38,147 "I'm not the good guy in my story." 196 00:06:38,147 --> 00:06:39,357 How do you change that? 197 00:06:39,357 --> 00:06:40,983 You can't undo the things that you did. 198 00:06:40,983 --> 00:06:43,111 I think what you can do, though, is take accountability 199 00:06:43,111 --> 00:06:45,238 for the things that you do wrong in life. 200 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:48,324 And that was five years of my life in prison. 201 00:06:48,324 --> 00:06:49,784 But walking out of prison, 202 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:51,452 I can look in a mirror and go, "you know what? 203 00:06:51,452 --> 00:06:52,787 I made a lot of mistakes in my life, 204 00:06:52,787 --> 00:06:53,996 and I'm trying to be better." 205 00:06:53,996 --> 00:06:56,707 And you try to be better every day. 206 00:06:56,707 --> 00:06:58,835 Con artistry will always be around 207 00:06:58,835 --> 00:07:02,839 because con artistry relies upon human nature. 208 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,715 Everyone is vulnerable. 209 00:07:04,715 --> 00:07:07,301 You roll the dice and take your chances. 210 00:07:07,301 --> 00:07:08,594 But if you protect yourself, 211 00:07:08,594 --> 00:07:12,765 if you don't think you're smarter than you are, 212 00:07:12,765 --> 00:07:15,393 If something seems too good to be true, 213 00:07:15,393 --> 00:07:17,228 it isn't true. 214 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:19,939 You don't play the game, you won't lose. 215 00:07:19,939 --> 00:07:21,524 ♪♪ 216 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:24,944 What constitutes a con that's gone too far? 217 00:07:24,944 --> 00:07:27,864 Is it the one-off short-cons of Slippin' Jimmy, 218 00:07:27,864 --> 00:07:30,450 or the faux-legal cons of Saul Goodman? 219 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:34,912 Or is it the life-ruining long cons of true grifters? 220 00:07:34,912 --> 00:07:36,622 Can you really cheat an honest person? 221 00:07:36,622 --> 00:07:41,002 Are there any real honest people left to be cheated? 222 00:07:41,002 --> 00:07:55,558 ♪♪ 16763

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