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By the time the
series was over,
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somebody would say,
"Well, where would you
like to go?
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"Let me take you
some place you've
never been."
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There is no place in this city
I have never been, and,
as a matter of fact,
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none of it would be anything
otherthan, "Oh, I remember
shooting this there
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"or shooting that there."
We shot all over Los Angeles,
in particular,
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and its surrounding areas,
both rural and suburb.
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It was funny. I really
could not go anywhere without
seeing everything as a set.
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It took me along, longtime
before I could see anything
in Los Angeles
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that wasn't a set to me,
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and it was a very funny
feeling when I realized that
that had happened.
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You don't think about it
until you're not filming so
incessantly, as we were.
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It was a few years later
when I realized just...
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I actually had a break
for a little while.
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Wow. I can't go anywhere
without feeling like I'm
still working. I'm on a set.
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This is one the arguments
that Ken Johnson and I had.
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I“ have a bionic ear,
why do I have to pull
backthe hairto hear?
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I can hearthrough walls but
I can't hear through my hair?
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So he said, "I know,
but it looks better."
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So we had done several
shows already bythe time
I got tired of
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"Let's do the close-up
on the ear, so now let's stop
in the middle of everything
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"and pull it back."
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It was also a very funny
feeling to have somebody
do a close-up on your ear.
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There's no way to describe
this in words because it's
visceral.
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But when I was doing
a close-up and they say,
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"Okay, we're zooming
into the ear,"
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as an actorthat works
with film, you can feel
the camera in a way,
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there's something funny that
happens, an energythat
happens, and you can feel it.
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Like, when you're doing
a close-up, it feels
different
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than when the zoom is out.
And I'm sure it's the focus
and the concentration
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ofthe people that are
watching, too. The energy
that you feel is focalized
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versus wide. But to go in
on your ear, sometimes
itjust felt like,
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"Ew, this feels creepy!"
You know?
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It was really funny.
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So I said we don't need
to do this anymore. We've
established the ear.
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Why can't wejust have
the camera zoom in and me
just kind ofturn my head?
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So we did that a fewtimes
but he didn't like the way
it looked
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and so I would
get a little testy
and I said,
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"No, I'm just not going
to do it anymore."
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So I would do maybe that
or something like that
but I wouldn't go like this
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and let him do it.
I refused to do it.
So what did he do?
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He went and pulled them
from a previous episode
and stuck the ear in anyway.
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So he got me.
You know, he got me.
(CHUCKLES)
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I knew who Lee was
from The Big Valley
at the time.
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But I hadn't watched
much television
in my life, at all,
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so I didn't realize
what an enormous star
he was at that time.
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So, probablyjust as well
because I may have been
more nervous about going,
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going in there.
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I'd just finished working with
Peter Fonda who was also
an enormous star at the time.
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So I think I had gotten over
my young actress, not too long
in the business, kind of "ah!"
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of worry about
working with a
major star like that.
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We were on location
in Ojai, filming that,
of course.
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Lee was quite a prankster.
I saw him... He was always
pulling pranks of some sort
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on his crew, mostly.
He would terrorize his crew.
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That I remember.
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Of course, he was darling.
He was as cute as could be.
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And so was his wife, Farrah.
They were just the perfect
couple, you know.
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It was really sweet
seeing them together.
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It was really fun working
with Andy Griffith,
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because, though I've done
so much drama and would
love to do comedy,
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in the Bionic Woman, that's
about one ofthe fewtimes
I was able to do comedy,
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so being able to work
with Andy, who's a
wonderful comedian,
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was really fun for me.
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Working with Vincent Price
was really fun. What an
elegant gentleman, you know.
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You don't think about it.
You think about
his characters,
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but what a lovely man.
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He was so nice
and he's really,
really intelligent
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and very funny,
got a great sense
of humor.
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I enjoyed that a lot.
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I'd worked with
John Houseman before,
in The Paper Chase,
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which was my second feature
a few years before that.
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And John, as usual, is...
He was pretty much (IMITATES
HOUSEMAN) "always John."
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He'sjust... He's pretty much
like that personality-wise but
he's got such a dear heart.
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Yeah, he's fun.
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Yes, she was so darling,
Helen Hunt was so cute.
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She wasjust a natural.
Of course, most kids
are quite natural,
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but she was pretty special.
That was fun.
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Oh, Evel Knievel,
my goodness, that was
quite an experience.
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He was something else.
(LAUGHS)
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There was a... One of
the times, one of
the things I remember...
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We were filming at
the bottom of a canyon
and the scene was
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Iwas supposed tojump
on the back ofthe bike
with Evel Knievel
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and he was going to
zoom up this canyon.
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All I was supposed to do was
get on the back ofthe bike,
the camera was static,
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and Evel was supposed to
drive three, four feet out
ofthe shot and I'd get off
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and then the stunt doubles
would get on, or whatever,
or he would do whatever,
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and they would take off
and do all this stuff.
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He was really a bad boy.
Evel was just a bad boy
and he loved to terrorize me.
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So I got on the back of
the bike and instead of going
four feet out ofthe shot,
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he took off up that canyon
and was screaming around
those things and, of course,
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the crew was going nuts
worrying about something
happening to me.
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But I was so terrified
Iwas literally pounding
on his back.
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I can remember pounding on
his back, screaming, "Stop!"
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I could hear him laughing
which made me even madder
and I was pounding even harder
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and it was like
Miss Nonviolent
has gone berserk.
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Ah!
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We got up to the top ofthe
canyon, he did a big U-ie and
screamed down to the bottom.
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Iwas so frightened
I could hardly even talk.
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And I got to the bottom
and I thought,
"I am going to cry.
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And I was so mad at him
I reallyjust wanted to
punch him but I got off
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and I looked at the crew
and they were all frozen,
the crew was frozen,
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staring at me,
and my assistant
was standing there
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and I looked at her
and the minute I saw her,
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she was also my best
friend, Linda, and so...
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You know when you're okay
and you're holding it
together, sometimes when
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you've been upset about
something and then you see
somebodythat you know,
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and you love, and you trust?
And all of a sudden
you lose it?
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It was kind of one of
those moments. I thought,
"Oh, I'm going to lose it.
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"Let me get out of here
and get to mytrailer."
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I looked at her and she saw
that look on my face
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and she knew to come get
me and take me out ofthere.
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So Ijust turned around
and I looked at the crew
and said, "Wardrobe,
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"I think I'm going to need
another pair of pants."
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And I thought, "I cannot
believe... Thank you, God.
You gave me a line
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"to save face." I went in my
trailer, cried my eyes out,
had to redo my makeup.
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Iwas like,
"Oh, how dare he do that!"
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That was one of my experiences
with Evel. There were several.
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So, when we did the
Maximillian episode,
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they had this incredible dog
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that was a single dog
owned by a single owner
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and the dog was almost human.
You could develop a
relationship with him
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pretty quickly and he would
listen to you and kind of
do things you'd say.
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He responded to love
and petting, of course,
treats sometimes, too,
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but not solelytreats.
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And there was...
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It wasjust, almost,
at times, like working
with another person,
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this dog was so good
of an actor.
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But then we had this group
of stunt dogs that were
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from a company that had
several dogs
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because they needed a dog that
would go into fire and that's
not a normal dog thing,
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and they needed a dog that
would jump from whatever
and so...
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When it looked like Max was
going to be an ongoing
character, I guess this
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negotiation went on that
you can't use that actor dog.
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You have to use our
acting dogs also.
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So this incredible dog
that I could work with
so well
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had to go away
and I had to work with...
Not that these dogs weren't
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good at what they did,
but they were completely
trainer-trained,
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so instead of being able
to lay down and him tell
the dog to come over and give
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me a kiss, I had to rub
liver, baby liver,
on my cheek,
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so that this dog that had
been treat-trained would
come over and lick my cheek
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and then they would take him
away as soon as it would be
over and the whole time
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I spent with my
close-ups and my shots
talking to an apple box
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because these stunt dogs
and these other kinds of dogs
would have to be taken away.
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So I neverwas
acting with a dog.
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Talk about acting!
That I should have
gotten an Emmy for.
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Talking to that apple box
and crying to the apple box.
(CHUCKLES)
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I can't say that I have
a favorite episode.
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There are several
and they're all for
different reasons.
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One ofthe most fun ones
to film was the country
western one,
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where Hoyt Axton and
Doc Severinsen were
on the show.
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We laughed so hard
through that whole
darn show.
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Those two guys together were
just hilarious. I felt like I
was right back in high school.
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They werejust such
bad kids, ifyou will.
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That was a lot of fun.
Plus, the music part of it.
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That was one of my
favorites to film.
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Another episode that
meant a lot to me was
the one that I had to barter
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Bigfoot and Fembots
with Kenny to
get it done,
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was the "Biofeedback" episode
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where we actually go in
and talk about how people
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can control their body
and themselves with their
mind and how powerful
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that really is and
we don't realize it.
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That one meant a lot to me.
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I'm sure both Ken and I
would make that very
differently today.
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It was a very
progressive show,
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conceptually.
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Another episode that stands
out in my mind is the one
that we did with Charlie Hill,
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who is a Native American
comedian, actor,
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and it was probably the first
time that there was any
interracial romance,
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ifyou will, on television.
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Certainly, by the star
of a show.
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And in that same show,
we kind of pushed the
envelope again, because
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we were expressing, through
his story, through his
journey in that show,
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the Native American spiritual
beliefs about communicating
with the ancestors.
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And that was avery
courageous show forthem
to write and for us to do.
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That was also breaking.
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And again, it was that
same time in history. It was
right about that time,
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quite frankly, that
Native Americans were
literally, in this country,
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given the right to practice
their religion. It had been
a Iawthat they couldn't do
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certain things in their
religious practice,
like sun dance or whatever.
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And so it was a real
hot subject at that time.
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So I was really proud of our
team for coming up with
that episode. That was cool.
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It wasn't until years later
that I really had a sense
ofthe cultural impact.
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Young women were coming up to
me and, now in their twenties,
saying, "Hey, you know what?
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"I'm working at NASA because
of you." I was like, "Whoa,
cool. What are you doing?"
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"Well I'm an engineer.
My dad wanted me to
go to beauty school."
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It'sjust amazing to me
that it has been so
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long lasting.
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We talk about the impact
that the show had and
that the character had
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on kids when they
were growing up.
But I see it still.
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When I meet people today,
I don't care ifthey're
30, or 40, or 50,
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when they see me,
even at this age,
when they look at me
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and they come up,
their face completely
transforms and
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they're anywhere from
four to 12 years old.
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And they talk and they stammer
and it'sjust like they were
when they were a kid.
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I've had women just
start to cry when they're
talking to me because
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they want to express how much
that meant to them, how
empowering that was to them
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at an age and in a point
in history where we were
just beginning that shift.
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Even the men who talk to me
today, which is so cute, they
talk about how they used to
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watch the The Bionic Woman
and they didn't want to tell
their friends because
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they were afraid
they would thinkthey were
a sissy orwhatever.
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Several times, men
have said things like,
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"It was so interesting that,
as a man, now I realize
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"you gave me,
or your character gave me,
permission
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"to be strong, as a man,
and still sensitive.
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"I learned, by watching
your show,
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"that I could be strong
and sensitive
at the same time,
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"that they were not
mutually exclusive qualities,
even though you were a woman."
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That was fascinating to me
because I neverthought
about that.
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A lot ofthe things
people tell me, I put in
intentionally,
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Iwould work on
intentionally, we would
all work on it,
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but that one never dawned
on me, that it would affect
little boys like that
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and literally give them
permission to be strong and
sensitive at the same time.
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'Cause they sawthe two
working together, even though
it was awoman.
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That was cool.
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