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♪♪
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Jensen: It's a time
of enormous turmoil.
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Shut up in here.
[ Both scream ]
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Cagney:
So, we're a terrific team.
Lacey: This is true.
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What do you say we go out and
celebrate how terrific we are?
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Turner: We intend to cover
all the news all the time.
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We won't be signing off
until the world ends.
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Isn't that special?
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Man: I know a doctor who can
take care of it right away.
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That will never happen.
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We have seen the news,
and it is us.
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♪♪
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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Troy:
There are two parts to 1980s.
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On the one hand, the 1980s
is really a time of change,
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a time of excess,
a time of novelty,
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but there's also a desire
for comfort.
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There's a desire for tradition.
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And Johnny Carson is able
to combine them all,
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and he does it night after night
with that brilliant,
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non-threatening,
non-edgy edginess.
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You are in a good mood tonight.
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And I tell you, we have put
a great show together.
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It'll be on a week
from Thursday.
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[ Laughter ]
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Connelly: Johnny Carson in the
'80s is making the transition
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from being
the king of late night
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to being a national treasure.
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He was a throwback to that
old show biz stuff.
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I haven't been on with you
for some time.
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You, you've been --
-It's been a long time.
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Yeah, well, you've been
busy with other things.
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That's --
[ Chuckles ]
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[ Laughter ]
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Connelly: The tide is starting
to turn in terms of
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where late-night television
is gonna go.
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But Johnny is kind of
holding out.
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He was not necessarily
of his time in the '80s.
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But he did sustain
a certain timelessness.
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He's the king.
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On your chair.
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[ Laughter ]
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Whoa!
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Hyah!
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He's all right.
He's just playing.
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Playing my [bleep]
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[ Laughter ]
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My next guest not only has
a college degree,
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but he also has
a high-school degree.
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-That's right, I do. Yes.
-As well, uh-huh.
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Hartley:
He's hosted "The Tonight Show"
practically as often
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as Johnny Carson and now
he has his very own show,
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Weekday Mornings at 10:00
on NBC.
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Ladies and gentleman
what you're witnessing here
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is a good idea gone awry.
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Yes, and a fun-filled surprise
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turning into an incredible
screw up right here.
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David Letterman originally
had a one-hour daytime show.
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And NBC, after like 13 weeks,
decided to cancel it.
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Today is our last show
on the air.
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Monday, Las Vegas.
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[ Crowd booing ]
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Have these people been
frisked before they...
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It was a dismal failure
in terms of the ratings.
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But not in terms of introducing
us to Letterman.
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David, thank you for being
with us tonight.
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Thank you very much for
having me, I appreciate it.
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And in spite of all
this nonsense
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that goes around in
the background, stay with it.
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Don't give up. And stay with us
here in New York.
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We like having you.
I like being here.
Thank you very much.
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Dave is back in New York.
You're going to host
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a late-night television program
that premieres Monday night.
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What are, what are critics
likely to say Tuesday morning?
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I don't much care because I
found a way to deal with that --
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pills and whiskey.
-[ Laughs ]
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-[ Laughs ]
-[ Snorts ]
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[ Chuckles ] You're on.
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Oh, I'm on. I'm sorry, I was
enjoying listening to you snort.
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[ Laughs ]
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Levine:
They gave him the "Late Night"
show after "The Tonight Show,"
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and at the time, people thought,
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who's gonna watch television
at 12:30 at night?
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Who's up?
I'll tell you who's up.
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Young people. College people.
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Is it going well?
I know this is the first show
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and I think this guy
needs a little support.
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Dave Letterman.
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Mandabach: He was
antiestablishment at his core.
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He was thumbing his nose to
any existing social structures.
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Lettermen: Who are those women
out there, by the way?
Woman: Neighbors.
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I'll get rid of them.
Hey, excuse me.
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Just keep it moving,
come on.
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He kind of spoofed
the whole notion of talk shows.
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It's the "Late Night" guest cam.
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Please say hello to Tom Hanks.
Here he is.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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Hanks: No one can go
on the "David Letterman Show"
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and try to steer it towards
a point of view
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or push something in particular.
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He just wouldn't stand for it.
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You're on to do one thing
and one thing only --
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be as funny as the rest
of the show.
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You know, we could get in
a two shot here, Dave.
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We could actually send
the crew home, couldn't we?
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[ Laughter ]
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Steinberg:
You know, as a comedian,
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you want the biggest audience
that you could get.
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For Dave, he knew a lot of
things that he would do
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were gonna alienate people,
and he didn't care.
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He wanted his thumbprint
out there,
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and that's the most important
thing.
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It's time for "Small Town News."
Paul?
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Paul Shaffer,
ladies and gentlemen.
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Shales: The show making fun
of itself and turning itself
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inside out that way
was something kind of new.
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I mean,
don't we look like guys
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that you'd see hanging around
together?
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Absolutely.
Would you like to
hang around with me?
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Nope.
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I've said it before
and I'll say it again.
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This is the stupidest show
I've...
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I thought that I would never
want to do this show with you.
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Now why?
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Because you thought
I was a...
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An [bleep]
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[ Laughter ]
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There's one rule I keep
trying to abide by
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and unfortunately I only get
to it about 12% of the time.
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And that is,
it's only television.
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We're not doing
cancer research.
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If the 40 year-odd history
of commercial broadcasting
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has taught us one thing, there's
nothing sacred about television.
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Hey Dave,
I was just curious,
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is there any way I can get
MTV on this...
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Actually, Steve, that's a --
that's just a monitor
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and all you can get
on that is our show.
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Oh. That's okay.
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Hanks:
There was a degree of cynicism
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that was needed in the art form
at that time.
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And it's a cynicism
that just became common sense
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after a while,
because it never got old.
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I've watched
Johnny Carson,
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and you are no
Johnny Carson.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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[ Whooping ]
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Good day, welcome to the Great
White North Canadian Corner.
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I'm Bob McKenzie,
this is my brother Doug.
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And today we got a real big show
'cause we got a...
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Bianculli: There was
a Second City Chicago company,
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there was a Second City
Toronto company.
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The Toronto one is the one
that fueled the SCTV series,
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which originally was syndicated
and got to the States that way.
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-Hail Caesar!
-Hail Caesar!
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Hail, hail. Thank you very much
for that marvelous reception.
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I particularly want to thank
my supporters over there
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in the Caesarian section.
[ Laughter ]
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Steinberg: It's healthy to be
an outsider, you know,
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as a comedian, and Canadians
are always outsiders
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But they're looking at
the other culture,
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which is right next door
to them.
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I love you Sammy Maudlin!
I want to bear your children!
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[ Laughs ]
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Hanks: It was the type of comedy
that had only been accessible
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if you could have gotten into
the improv clubs
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in Chicago or Toronto.
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I had never seen anything like
Second City TV.
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Trembel:
James Bridgeman, Parkdale.
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[ Laughter ]
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I'm sorry. No, never mind.
I'm sorry.
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Yost: It was far more conceptual
in its humor
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because it didn't have to be
performed
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in front of an audience.
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And there was also just the idea
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that it was this
sort of low-rent thing.
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It was this sort of
by the seat of their pants
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kind of operation
that gave it an authenticity.
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Now that our programming day
has been extended,
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I'm gonna be spending a lot...
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Where do you want me to
put the kielbasa Mrs. Prickley?
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Put it in the fridge, Butch.
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Yost:
You were rooting for the show
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and the characters
that they had created.
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There was just something
that you got behind.
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Whereas, you know,
"SNL" right from the --
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from the gate
and through the '80s
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was this big enterprise.
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Franken:
After five golden years,
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Lorne decided to leave
and so did those close to him,
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including me, Al Franken.
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So NBC had to pick
a new producer.
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Now most knowledgeable people,
as you might imagine,
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hoped it would be me,
Al Franken.
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Shales:
Well, there was a real question
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of whether "Saturday Night Live"
would continue at all
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or whether it would just die.
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The press hasn't been
overly kind.
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Yeah, I read that stuff.
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"Saturday Night Live"
is Saturday Night Dead.
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Man:
Oh, man, come on. Geez.
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From yucks to yech.
[ All groan ]
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My favorite, though,
is "Vile From New York."
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-Please, Bill, come on.
-It's funny, it's funny.
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Shales:
They were having a hard time
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and then came the man that saved
the show, Eddie Murphy.
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♪ Wookin' pa nub ♪
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Shales: There was buzz about him
so you tuned in
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and there was this
kind of explosion of talent
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in front of your eyes.
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[ As James Brown ] Hey!
Too hot in the hot tub!
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Burn myself!
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It really kind of
rejuvenated the show.
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I am Gumby, damn it!
You don't talk to me that way.
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Shales: After a while,
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the show regained its status
and its clout
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and became even more of
an institution than it had been.
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Hey Bob.
[ Chuckles ]
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Hey, penis looks great
today.
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Listen, Harry, if you're unhappy
with my work, tell me now!
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You're through,
do you hear me?
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Through! You'll never work
in this town again.
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Don't leave me hanging
by a thread! Let me
know where I stand!
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We were a little worried at
first because we had a new cast,
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but everyone loves us.
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You guys have been so nice
to us during our stay.
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Isn't that special?
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I am Hans.
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And I am Franz. And we just
want to pump you up!
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Levine: A lot of things
that they could do
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on "Saturday Night Live"
they couldn't do on a sitcom.
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The humor was more daring
and more satirical.
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And it was political.
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You still have, uh, 50 seconds
left Mr. Vice President.
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Well let me just sum up,
on track,
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stay the course,
a thousand points of light.
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Stay the course.
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Governor Dukakis, rebuttal?
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I can't believe I'm losing
to this guy.
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[ Laughter ]
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This is my last broadcast
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as the anchorman
of the "CBS Evening News."
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For me, it's a moment
for which I long have planned,
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but which nevertheless
comes with some sadness.
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For almost two decades
after all,
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we've been meeting like this
in the evenings,
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and I'll miss that.
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And that's the way it is,
Friday, March 6, 1981.
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I'll be away on assignment
and Dan Rather
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will be sitting in here
for the next few years.
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Good night.
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Uncle Walter had dominated
certainly CBS,
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but in a way, the country.
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People used to say
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that he was the most trusted man
in the country.
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Bianculli:
Once Walter Cronkite retires,
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all three network news anchors
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within a period of a couple
of years
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switch over to a new generation.
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The '80s may have been
the last gasp
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where people watching the media
liked and trusted the media.
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Nuclear arms and how to prevent
global destruction
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are expected to be
the major topic
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of President Reagan's
news conference tonight.
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That conference
will be nationally televised
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within the hour.
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Lesley Stahl
is at the White House.
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Stahl: The White House
is hoping that tomorrow's...
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In the '80s,
women came into the newsroom.
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When I first joined, it was '72,
and there were very few.
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By the '80s,
there were more and more.
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Woodruff: The decade of the '80s
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was still a time
of sink or swim.
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You had to be resilient
in your own way
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to survive in a period
when you were going up against
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a lot of people who still didn't
think women had what it took.
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These are some of the most
famous faces in broadcasting,
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all of whom happen to be women.
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The best producers,
I'm gonna get fired --
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the best producers at CBS News
are women.
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And they are at the level
of taking hold
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and making decisions
about individual pieces.
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They're not yet
executive producers
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of all the news shows,
but they will be.
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Clayton: For the past 24 hours,
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Christine Craft has taken
her cause
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to many of the nation's news
and talk programs.
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I didn't set out to be
Joan of Arc,
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but I think that what happened
to me deserves some attention.
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Woodruff: Christine Craft
had a very successful career,
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but there she was
in her late 30s
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and the TV station said to her,
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"We're taking you off the air
because you've gotten older
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and you're not as attractive
as you once were,"
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which was outrageous.
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And she decided to make
an issue of it.
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She filed a lawsuit,
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and it became a huge
national topic of discussion.
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Woman: A jury said she got a raw
deal because she is a woman.
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Woodruff:
And so women in television news
everywhere were asked,
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"What do you think about
Christine Craft?"
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I think unfortunately
in recent years,
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the emphasis has been
increasingly
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on physical appearance,
and to the extent.
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This decision helped swing
the emphasis back
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to substance
and to good journalism.
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I think we've got something
to be happy about.
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It was important to make
the point that what mattered
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was what kind of reporter
are you?
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But it took
the Christine Craft incident,
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I think, to bring that
conversation out into the open.
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This coming Sunday,
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a new television network
opens for business -- CNN.
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Cable News Network.
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You're throwing all the dice
on this one?
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Why not? Nothing ventured,
nothing gained.
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Faint heart never
won fair lady.
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Well on that original point,
Mr. Turner,
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thank you very much indeed.
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Turner: I wanted to see
what was going on in the world.
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And there was no way
that you could do it
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watching the regular television
stations.
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The news only comes on
at 6:00 and 10:00.
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But if there was news on
24 hours,
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people could watch it any time.
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We sign on on June 1
and barring satellite problems
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in the future,
we won't be signing off
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until the world ends.
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Greenfield:
There was a widespread belief
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this was a fool's errand.
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How can this possibly
find an audience?
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Well, he did.
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Ready Camera three.
One center up.
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Good evening.
I'm David Walker.
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And I'm Lois Harp.
Now here's the news.
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President Carter
has arrived...
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Television news before this was
stuff that had already happened.
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For the first time,
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CNN brought the world
to people in real time.
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Announcer: CNN -- the world's
most important network.
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Turner:
I didn't do Cable News Network
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because somebody told me it
couldn't be done.
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I figured it was
a very viable concept
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and I went ahead and did it.
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It was after we announced
that we were going to do it
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that the detractors showed up.
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Gumbel: Is Cable News Network
just gonna be a new means
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of delivering the same kind
of fare?
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No.
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It already does
provide different fare
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and Cable News Network
is a perfect
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and maybe the best example
of that.
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People love news
and we had lots of it.
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And the other guys
had not very much.
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So choice and quantity won out.
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New York City, hello.
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Mintier: A major catastrophe
in America's space program...
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I'm Lou Dobbs along with
Financial Editor Myron Kandel.
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Jessica McClure trapped
for almost three days now
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in a dry artesian well.
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Miller: The Iron Curtain
between East Germany
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and West Berlin
has come tumbling down.
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Good evening I'm Pat Buchanan
the conservative in "Crossfire."
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Buchanan: The American people
appreciated the new television.
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They certainly came to --
came to CNN in droves.
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Mr. Gorbachev and I both agree
on the desirability of freer
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and more extensive personal
contact between the peoples
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of the Soviet Union
and the United States.
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We began to realize
that the best way
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to get a message to a foreign
leader was to have the President
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go in the rose garden
and make a statement.
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Because everybody
was watching CNN.
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Turner:
CNN was a breakthrough.
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It changed the whole world.
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Stahl: It changed quickly,
the network news business.
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That business
that we weren't the only ones.
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And it was hard, you know.
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It's hard to be
on the top little perch
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and have to come down off it.
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A special segment tonight,
the network news.
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The first in a two-part series
on the profound changes
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taking place in television news.
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Changes being brought about
by business,
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competition, and technology.
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Heilemann: There are a variety
of reasons why people who worked
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at the broadcast networks
were freaked out in the 1980s.
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One of them was CNN
and the rise of cable.
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Another was being taken over
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by foreign entities
in corporate America.
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Hart: New owners spent billions
buying the networks recently,
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and all of them want
their money's worth.
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People began to find out that
news could be a profit center.
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And that focused a lot
of attention on us.
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A lot from people
in Wall Street, for instance.
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If you think about the news
divisions of CBS, NBC, and ABC,
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they were part of
a really proud tradition --
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a journalistic tradition
that really matters.
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We serve the public.
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This is not about
profit and loss.
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And the people who worked
at those news divisions
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were totally freaked out
by what it meant
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that they were now owned by
these larger corporate entities.
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If the television news
isn't profitable at some point,
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there won't be any more
television news on the networks.
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00:17:33,344 --> 00:17:35,304
Shales: I worry about people
who are interested only in money
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and power getting ahold
of television.
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It has higher purposes
than that.
407
00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:41,561
We have seen the news
and it is us.
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Collins:
Sometimes ambition in a woman
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is considered to be a dirty word
unfortunately.
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Bloodworth-Thomason: I don't
hear a lot of female voices
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reverberating in the halls
of power in this business.
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Well, I'm surprised there aren't
more shows about women
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that are talking about
who they are.
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Directing seems to be an area
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that is almost impossible
to break through.
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I think the '80s were the era
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when women were being looked at
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with a little skepticism,
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but definitely
with more acceptability.
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You could see the door opening,
but it wasn't wide open.
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Stahl:
"Cagney & Lacey" was huge.
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That there would be two women
and they had a serious job
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and they solved crimes and they
were out on the streets.
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They were tough.
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That was emblematic
or maybe out in front a little
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of what was actually happening
in the country.
427
00:18:33,863 --> 00:18:37,157
So, we're a terrific team.
This is true.
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00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:39,159
What do you say we go out and
celebrate how terrific we are?
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Bianculli:
There had been by that point
hundreds of buddy cop shows,
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but these buddies were women.
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That had never been done
before.
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00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:49,420
I didn't go after this job
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because I couldn't find
anything else.
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00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:54,216
All right? I did not come here
because I needed
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some kind of work to help pay
the orthodontist.
436
00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:59,221
This means something to me.
What the hell are we
talking about here?
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Corday: We didn't even realize
that this was gonna be
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such a big deal, and strangely,
439
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all these guys would say to us,
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"Well yeah, I mean,
it's a good script,
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but who's gonna save them
in the end?"
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00:19:13,235 --> 00:19:15,195
All right, come on.
We're taking you out of here.
443
00:19:15,237 --> 00:19:16,489
-[ Sobbing ]
-Come on.
444
00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:17,865
You're taking my wife?!
445
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You don't take one step.
You understand me?
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00:19:20,242 --> 00:19:22,870
Sergeant Nelson, you have
until 8:00 tomorrow morning
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to turn yourself into IAD.
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00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:27,000
-Phyllis!
-If you don't, I will.
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Hart: It was a time where you
really saw an emergence of women
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on television
who were not necessarily
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just 20 and blond
and had a small role.
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But women who had
substantial roles.
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♪ Thank you for being a friend ♪
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♪ Traveled down the road
and back again ♪
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It was unpredictable
that an audience,
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a young audience,
a not-so-young audience
457
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and lots in between could relate
to those older ladies.
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Ma, if you couldn't see,
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why didn't you call me
to come get you?
460
00:20:04,286 --> 00:20:07,289
I tried to but every time
I put in a dime and dialed,
461
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a condom popped out.
462
00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:11,169
[ Laughter ]
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00:20:13,087 --> 00:20:15,882
I got five in my pocket.
Here Dorothy.
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[ Laughter ]
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A lifetime supply.
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Mitchell:
She was recently named
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along with Norman Lear
and Jim Brooks
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as one of television's
most gifted creator/writers.
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And when you look back
at the past women role models
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on television, well, it's easy
to see Susan Harris' impact.
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Mandabach: Susan Harris was the
greatest writer, in my opinion,
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of her generation, of that time.
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Singularly, so, you know,
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all credit to her for coming up
with so many iterations
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of something so amazing.
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Mitchell: Do you think there is
a woman's voice as a writer?
477
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Woman's voice -- well generally
they speak higher, softer.
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[ Laughter ]
479
00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,293
I should have known not
to ask that of a writer.
480
00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,504
Yes, of course,
there's a woman's voice.
481
00:20:55,546 --> 00:20:58,091
Women have
a different perspective.
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Women laugh
at different things.
483
00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,720
So, yes, they're very definitely
is a woman's voice.
484
00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:06,599
Oh, do you know how
many problems we have solved
485
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,936
over a cheesecake
at this kitchen table?
486
00:21:09,977 --> 00:21:11,478
No, Dorothy,
exactly how many?
487
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,731
147, Rose!
488
00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:15,399
Oh.
489
00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:18,736
Hi, Bryant. It's cutthroat
primetime time this fall,
490
00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:20,320
as some 23 new shows compete
491
00:21:20,362 --> 00:21:22,823
in one of the hottest
ratings races in years.
492
00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:25,826
Here's one just about everybody
predicts will be a big hit.
493
00:21:25,868 --> 00:21:27,745
"Designing Women" on CBS.
494
00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:30,330
Four femmes forming
an interior decorating business
495
00:21:30,372 --> 00:21:32,250
and giving each other
the business.
496
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:34,334
Suzanne,
if sex were fast food,
497
00:21:34,376 --> 00:21:38,547
there'd be an arch
over your bed.
498
00:21:38,589 --> 00:21:42,342
Corday:
Linda Bloodworth-Thomason
created one of the funniest,
499
00:21:42,384 --> 00:21:45,345
most unusual shows
in "Designing Women."
500
00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:48,057
They were a different group
of women
501
00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:51,144
than you really saw
on television.
502
00:21:51,185 --> 00:21:53,437
They were feisty,
they were sexy,
503
00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:58,567
and Linda's voice
came through shining.
504
00:21:58,609 --> 00:22:00,569
A man can get away
with anything.
505
00:22:00,611 --> 00:22:03,405
I mean, look at Reagan's neck.
It sags down to here.
506
00:22:03,447 --> 00:22:06,200
Everybody raves about
how great he looks.
507
00:22:06,242 --> 00:22:08,368
Can you imagine if Nancy
had that neck?
508
00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:11,371
They'd be putting her in
a nursing home for turkeys.
509
00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:17,295
[ Cheers and applause ]
510
00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:18,879
They'd given me this 23 minutes
511
00:22:18,921 --> 00:22:21,174
to address whatever topic
I want.
512
00:22:21,215 --> 00:22:22,800
And it's such a privilege.
513
00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:24,677
It's more than the President
of the United States gets,
514
00:22:24,718 --> 00:22:27,180
and it's kind of thrilling
to have that every week.
515
00:22:27,221 --> 00:22:30,390
I would lying if I said I didn't
put my opinions in the show.
516
00:22:30,432 --> 00:22:33,227
Excuse me, but you lovely ladies
look like you're in need
517
00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:35,395
of a little male
companionship here.
518
00:22:35,437 --> 00:22:38,191
Trust me when I tell you
that you have completely
519
00:22:38,232 --> 00:22:41,235
mis-assessed the situation
at this table.
520
00:22:41,277 --> 00:22:43,654
Man: All right.
Moving onto scene B.
521
00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:45,906
English:
I am a woman and I am a writer,
522
00:22:45,948 --> 00:22:50,410
but I don't really enjoy
being called a woman's writer.
523
00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:52,997
I think labels
are harmful to us.
524
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:54,414
Mitchell:
With "Murphy Brown,"
525
00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:58,252
just about everything
about that program felt new.
526
00:22:58,294 --> 00:23:00,629
The civil rights movement
and the women's movement
527
00:23:00,671 --> 00:23:04,591
had just begun to sort of be
reflected in the programming
528
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:07,427
that you saw on television
in the '80s.
529
00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:10,264
Murphy, you know the Dunfries
Club is for men only?
530
00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:12,432
And they have great dinners
with great guests
531
00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:15,435
and I don't get to go for
one reason and one reason only.
532
00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:19,357
And it has to do with something
you've got and I don't.
533
00:23:19,439 --> 00:23:24,444
A tiny, pathetic,
little Y chromosome.
534
00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:29,950
Stahl:
"Murphy Brown" was sea change
because she was so popular
535
00:23:29,992 --> 00:23:33,453
and such a strong, independent,
tough woman.
536
00:23:33,495 --> 00:23:35,539
No matter what you think
of a guest or their views,
537
00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:37,833
you are obligated to ask the
questions in a dignified manner.
538
00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:39,835
Jim, she was unprofessional,
am I right?
539
00:23:39,877 --> 00:23:41,879
-Well, I, uh...
-Do you believe this Jim?
540
00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:44,464
He thinks it's neat that
his office chair swivels
541
00:23:44,506 --> 00:23:47,425
and he's calling me
unprofessional.
542
00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:52,014
[ Jazz music plays ]
543
00:23:54,392 --> 00:23:56,476
Troy: The big thing
that changes in the '80s
544
00:23:56,518 --> 00:23:58,478
is the number of hours spent
watching television.
545
00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,939
[ Whistles ] Goes up.
546
00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:01,690
The number of hours spent
547
00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:03,401
talking about television
goes up.
548
00:24:03,441 --> 00:24:04,985
One of the symbols
of this phenomenon
549
00:24:05,027 --> 00:24:06,653
is "Entertainment Tonight."
550
00:24:06,695 --> 00:24:10,699
Hi, I'm Tom Hallick, and welcome
to our opening night --
551
00:24:10,741 --> 00:24:13,660
the premiere edition
of "Entertainment Tonight."
552
00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:16,997
Hart: All of the critics
were kind of unanimous
553
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,666
in that they said,
"It'll never last
554
00:24:19,708 --> 00:24:22,711
because there simply isn't
enough entertainment news
555
00:24:22,753 --> 00:24:24,504
to fill a half-hour every night.
556
00:24:24,546 --> 00:24:26,924
"Entertainment Tonight"
has surveyed TV critics
557
00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:28,508
in the United States and Canada
558
00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:31,762
to find out which television
shows had the most impact
559
00:24:31,804 --> 00:24:33,513
on viewers over the years.
560
00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:37,143
Now, up until this time, nobody
had done television like this.
561
00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:38,518
Nobody.
562
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,521
Burt Reynolds,
the hottest actor in Hollywood.
563
00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:43,316
I'm surprised
to see you here.
564
00:24:43,357 --> 00:24:45,109
-Well, I'm glad to see you.
-Well, thank you.
565
00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:47,320
We can meet here every night
if you'd like.
Thank you. I'd love it.
566
00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:48,528
Leach: A lot of what makes
567
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:50,448
successful television
programming
568
00:24:50,488 --> 00:24:53,951
is being in the right place
at the right time.
569
00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:55,453
And it was the right time.
570
00:24:55,493 --> 00:24:58,331
Mitchell: Entertainment
journalism evolved
571
00:24:58,372 --> 00:25:01,792
as the audience got more curious
and had more access.
572
00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:03,336
Until that point,
573
00:25:03,377 --> 00:25:04,753
the entertainment business
had been something
574
00:25:04,795 --> 00:25:07,214
that we didn't know
all that much about.
575
00:25:07,256 --> 00:25:10,176
Hart: We could go behind
the scenes in our effort
576
00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:12,970
to really give
an insider's look.
577
00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:15,973
The crafty old J.R. of "Dallas"
fame was with his mother,
578
00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:19,143
actress Mary Martin
as he was presented with a star
579
00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:20,560
on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
580
00:25:20,602 --> 00:25:23,605
It was very honorific
of the industry.
581
00:25:23,647 --> 00:25:25,607
They would do serious coverage
of it.
582
00:25:25,649 --> 00:25:27,985
It wasn't salacious
and you would see actors
583
00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:31,489
speaking as actors instead of
on a Johnny Carson show.
584
00:25:31,529 --> 00:25:33,157
Man: What are you like
off camera?
585
00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:36,452
I'm like this.
Oh, this is on camera.
This is on camera.
586
00:25:36,494 --> 00:25:40,206
Hanks: It was the beginning
of a lot of money being made
587
00:25:40,247 --> 00:25:43,459
talking about entertainment
and celebrities.
588
00:25:43,501 --> 00:25:45,585
Robert Redford plays
the good guy in the movies,
589
00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:47,505
but don't tell that to
his neighbors in Utah.
590
00:25:47,545 --> 00:25:48,588
They are still bitter
591
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:50,590
and Redford is the target
of their ire.
592
00:25:50,632 --> 00:25:52,634
Hart:
The audience grew and grew.
593
00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:54,594
And that was showing us
that the appetite
594
00:25:54,636 --> 00:25:57,890
for celebrity news was big.
It was big.
595
00:25:57,931 --> 00:26:01,477
Leach: Get ready for "Lifestyles
of the Rich and Famous,"
596
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:05,231
television's most dazzling hour
of excitement!
597
00:26:05,272 --> 00:26:07,441
Hi, I'm Robin Leach in Monaco,
598
00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:09,651
the glittering gem
of the Riviera.
599
00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:14,823
And you've got a VIP ticket to
Prince Rainier's private party.
600
00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:17,826
Your Sunday newspaper
is still delivered
601
00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:19,828
with the comics around the news.
602
00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:23,249
And that was what I always
thought "Lifestyles" was.
603
00:26:23,290 --> 00:26:24,917
We were the comic
around the news.
604
00:26:24,958 --> 00:26:28,795
Except we did it as seriously
as they did news.
605
00:26:28,837 --> 00:26:31,631
Finally in the driving seat
of his own career,
606
00:26:31,673 --> 00:26:34,260
he burned rubber
in a new direction.
607
00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:36,470
David Hasselhoff -- rock idol.
608
00:26:36,512 --> 00:26:40,640
Hart: It was a time where
pushing the limits with wealth
609
00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:44,853
and ostentatiousness in a lot
of cases was very comfortable.
610
00:26:44,895 --> 00:26:47,689
One of the earliest stories
that we presented to you
611
00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:51,235
on "Lifestyles" was about
the amazing real-estate wizard
612
00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:52,652
Donald Trump.
613
00:26:52,694 --> 00:26:54,654
If he didn't shock and surprise
you back then,
614
00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:56,949
he's had plenty of time since.
615
00:26:56,990 --> 00:27:00,494
With all of this costing
billions, not millions,
616
00:27:00,536 --> 00:27:02,246
do the figures
ever frighten you?
617
00:27:02,288 --> 00:27:03,663
The answer is no.
It's my business.
618
00:27:03,705 --> 00:27:05,665
It's my life.
It's my lifestyle.
619
00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:08,461
I love it.
The good, the bad.
620
00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:11,671
Does this bring with it
political aspirations?
621
00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:13,673
No political aspiration.
622
00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:16,718
Brown: Your show has gotten
a lot of ridicule.
623
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,264
There are people who say
it's nothing more than trash.
624
00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:21,723
That doesn't upset me
because I think
625
00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:23,683
it's the best trash
there is on television.
626
00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:27,146
I am not in the business
of brain surgery.
627
00:27:27,187 --> 00:27:29,315
I am in the business
of fluff.
628
00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:30,774
Connelly:
It's the fantasy element
629
00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:33,152
at a time when the access
is possible.
630
00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,737
It's escapism
and it's aspirational.
631
00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:38,282
You want to stand in a hot tub
with a glass of champagne?
632
00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:39,741
Rock on!
633
00:27:39,783 --> 00:27:43,703
Leach: We'd never seen that
kind of wealth ever before.
634
00:27:43,745 --> 00:27:46,706
We didn't mock it,
we didn't say it was right,
635
00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:48,542
and we didn't say it was wrong.
636
00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:51,711
We were just through
the keyhole.
637
00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:54,131
Sometimes, you know,
it absolutely amazes me.
638
00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:57,926
I walk away from a shoot and I
think, "Well, we did it again."
639
00:27:57,968 --> 00:28:00,720
There was more of everything
in TV by the '80s.
640
00:28:00,762 --> 00:28:03,765
Your opportunities for watching
stuff is increasingly vast.
641
00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:07,144
Announcer:
NBC presents "Real People."
642
00:28:07,186 --> 00:28:09,771
My name's Michael B. Wilson.
643
00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:11,773
The thought dawned on me
that the application
644
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:13,733
of a small motor on a pair
of roller skates
645
00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:15,569
might really be a great thing.
646
00:28:15,611 --> 00:28:17,737
Barbour: Somebody once said
that each one of us
647
00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:19,739
will be a star for 15 minutes.
648
00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:21,741
And I think that that's
probably going to happen.
649
00:28:21,783 --> 00:28:23,952
Troy: American culture used to
be a culture that celebrated
650
00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:26,997
privacy, and in the 1980s,
as we're watching celebrities
651
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,168
sort of play out onstage,
"Hey, I want to join, too."
652
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:34,213
All the world becomes a stage
and you start seeing shows
653
00:28:34,254 --> 00:28:36,423
like "Real People"
or "The People's Court."
654
00:28:36,465 --> 00:28:37,757
Announcer: The People's Court --
655
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,428
Where reality television
is taken one step further.
656
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:44,764
To see more TV, producers had to
come up with
657
00:28:44,806 --> 00:28:48,352
new and different ways
to give them television.
658
00:28:48,394 --> 00:28:50,354
Don't. Be. Stupid.
659
00:28:50,396 --> 00:28:52,356
Carl, get over here!
660
00:28:52,398 --> 00:28:55,275
[ Screams ] I told you
not to be stupid!
661
00:28:55,317 --> 00:28:57,986
Bianculli: What "Cops" did
was it took away the script
662
00:28:58,028 --> 00:29:02,408
and just brought the camera
people and the crews on location
663
00:29:02,449 --> 00:29:04,993
to try and catch
actual things happening.
664
00:29:05,035 --> 00:29:06,370
Cocaine...
665
00:29:06,412 --> 00:29:08,664
Possession of
a stolen firearm no less.
666
00:29:08,706 --> 00:29:10,749
What else are you gonna do?
667
00:29:12,042 --> 00:29:15,629
[ Richard Wagner's
"Bridal Chorus" plays ]
668
00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:18,507
-With this ring...
-With this ring...
669
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:21,385
-...I thee wed.
-...I thee wed.
670
00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:24,054
-...with my body...
-...with my body...
671
00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:26,640
-...I thee bond.
-...I thee bond.
672
00:29:26,682 --> 00:29:29,476
Connelly: The biggest television
event of the 1980s
673
00:29:29,518 --> 00:29:31,604
is the marriage
of Charles and Diana.
674
00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:34,022
It's like the world stops
when that happened.
675
00:29:34,064 --> 00:29:36,275
I mean, that was, like,
just massive.
676
00:29:36,316 --> 00:29:38,611
Reporter: This was the final act
of a spectacle
677
00:29:38,652 --> 00:29:42,197
that may never again be seen
in this century, if ever.
678
00:29:42,239 --> 00:29:44,116
Rather: The Archbishop
of Canterbury called the wedding
679
00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:46,744
of Prince Charles
and Lady Diana Spencer today
680
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:48,203
the stuff of fairy tales.
681
00:29:48,245 --> 00:29:50,748
Chancellor: Good evening.
The royal couple at this hour
682
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:52,040
is off on the honeymoon,
683
00:29:52,082 --> 00:29:54,293
while a lot of people
here in London tonight
684
00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:56,836
are still talking about
the events of the day.
685
00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,423
Troy: When you have great
moments like the royal wedding,
686
00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:01,841
they're a part of history
and it's done beautifully
687
00:30:01,883 --> 00:30:04,428
and everybody has a chance
to watch it all on television.
688
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:08,265
Everybody just wants to drink
a toast to Chuck and Di.
689
00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:11,351
Jennings: A princess who must
now be aware as it was
690
00:30:11,393 --> 00:30:14,854
on this day that every single
move she makes in public
691
00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:17,023
will be recorded and observed.
692
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,859
A very difficult life indeed.
693
00:30:19,901 --> 00:30:22,862
We'll be back in just a moment
with some closing observations
694
00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:26,742
and one final look at
what has justifiably been called
695
00:30:26,784 --> 00:30:28,327
the wedding of the century.
696
00:30:28,368 --> 00:30:31,330
Officiant: By the authority
of the state of New York,
697
00:30:31,371 --> 00:30:35,125
I pronounce that they
are husband and wife.
698
00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:36,794
You may kiss the bride.
699
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,920
[ Cheers and applause ]
700
00:30:38,962 --> 00:30:42,800
Your wedding was seen by an
astonishing number of people --
701
00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:44,343
16 to 19 million viewers.
702
00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:46,094
How do you account for
that kind of popularity?
703
00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:47,763
Oh, I can't. I can't.
704
00:30:47,805 --> 00:30:51,350
The way it's grown, it's just --
it's amazing to me.
705
00:30:51,391 --> 00:30:54,936
Connelly: It did appear in
the '80s that it was a good time
706
00:30:54,978 --> 00:30:56,355
for daytime soap operas,
707
00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:58,273
especially for a show
like "General Hospital,"
708
00:30:58,315 --> 00:31:01,151
which had that huge success
with Luke and Laura's wedding.
709
00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:04,196
Duffy: I remember
when Luke and Laura got married
710
00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:07,115
because it was nighttime
newsworthy.
711
00:31:07,157 --> 00:31:11,745
The soap opera discovers
the blockbuster mentality,
712
00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:13,288
the sweeps month mentality.
713
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:16,709
Like, what can we do to get
even more people watching.
714
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:19,127
You have a wedding.
You have a kidnapping.
715
00:31:19,169 --> 00:31:20,713
You have an evil twin.
716
00:31:20,754 --> 00:31:23,215
And primetime stole
from daytime.
717
00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:26,176
Reporter: After "Dallas" proved
that Ewing Oil was better
718
00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:28,094
than real oil for CBS,
719
00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:30,222
the networks rushed
to give the public more.
720
00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:33,392
Troy: The great prime-time
soap operas of the 1980s.
721
00:31:33,433 --> 00:31:36,936
"Dallas," "Dynasty --"
they're all about excess.
722
00:31:36,978 --> 00:31:38,980
This is about being
over the top,
723
00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:40,607
stabbing each other in the back,
724
00:31:40,649 --> 00:31:43,610
going for the gusto,
and having fun.
725
00:31:43,652 --> 00:31:47,573
I know what's wrong with you.
The empty armed Madonna.
726
00:31:47,614 --> 00:31:50,116
Mourning the baby
that she couldn't have
727
00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:53,328
and the baby that she
almost got to adopt.
728
00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:55,205
That is it, isn't it?
729
00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:58,458
Oh, you miserable bitch!
730
00:32:02,838 --> 00:32:04,964
Yost: There was a bigness
to the stories.
731
00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:06,633
And that they could afford
to do on a network,
732
00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:08,260
if you're doing one episode
a week.
733
00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:10,262
Now you can't do that
if you're doing five episodes
734
00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:12,138
a week for a daytime show.
735
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:15,809
So just the production value
gave it that pizzazz.
736
00:32:15,851 --> 00:32:19,396
Reporter: If you can't have it,
watch other people with it.
737
00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:22,023
Or so say the three networks
who are programming
738
00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:24,359
nearly 40%
of their primetime fare
739
00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:26,069
with series about the very rich.
740
00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:28,781
And the public is devouring it
at such a rate
741
00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:31,909
that make believe money
has become ratings gold.
742
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,159
[ Screams ]
743
00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:34,994
Hart: The characters
were larger than life.
744
00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:39,040
They were more evil and more
cunning and manipulative.
745
00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,668
And more gorgeous.
I mean, really.
746
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,837
Look at the way
they were dressed.
747
00:32:43,879 --> 00:32:47,048
Look at the way they lived.
Everything, it was fascinating.
748
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:48,383
-Alexis?
-Yes.
749
00:32:48,425 --> 00:32:50,886
I didn't thank you
for your present.
750
00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:54,013
[ Gasps ]
751
00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:57,684
[ Sighs ]
752
00:32:57,726 --> 00:33:01,271
It's he you should
slap, dear, not I.
753
00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:03,273
Brown: We all wanted
to live like, you know,
754
00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:05,275
we were on "Dynasty,"
like the Carringtons.
755
00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:08,278
And it all just ended up
being a wonderful picture
756
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,030
of fun and debauchery.
757
00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:13,867
Yost: Greed was encouraged
in the '80s.
758
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:18,246
There was a sense of conspicuous
consumption as being okay.
759
00:33:18,288 --> 00:33:19,957
And those shows
kind of exploited that.
760
00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:22,334
Mann: Prime-time families
like the Carringtons
761
00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:25,295
who live here in luxury
on the "Dynasty" sound stage
762
00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:28,047
are not the only rich folk
on TV.
763
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:29,842
In the last five years,
764
00:33:29,883 --> 00:33:32,552
more than half of all new shows
have featured the wealthy.
765
00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:35,096
10 years ago,
that figure was zero.
766
00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:38,183
There was an accident.
Your father's dead.
767
00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:41,728
Connelly: "Falcon Crest"
was a wine family.
768
00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:42,938
There's Lorenzo Lamas
769
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:45,148
and there's Ronald Reagan's
first wife,
770
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,943
Jane Wyman is on that show.
771
00:33:47,985 --> 00:33:49,569
Emma is pregnant.
772
00:33:50,988 --> 00:33:52,990
I know a doctor who can
take care of it right away.
773
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,741
That will never happen.
774
00:33:54,783 --> 00:33:58,077
All of those shows were,
"Oh, my God, what's next?
775
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,956
What's gonna happen with that?
He can't get away with that."
776
00:34:00,998 --> 00:34:02,749
And then you tune in.
It was appointment television.
777
00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:05,084
Announcer: What will
become of the missing twins
778
00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:07,253
on "Knots Landing?"
What?
779
00:34:07,295 --> 00:34:09,130
Connelly:
They all had spin-offs.
780
00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:11,090
"Dallas" had the spin-off
"Knots Landing."
781
00:34:11,132 --> 00:34:13,677
"The Colbys" was the spin-off
for "Dynasty."
782
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,137
They were seeing how much
they could max this stuff out.
783
00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:17,890
'Cause it was
really successful.
784
00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:19,725
Where's your son Miles?
785
00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:21,560
Isn't he going to be a part
of this venture,
786
00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:24,103
or is he just playing polo
as usual?
787
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,564
[ Laughter ]
788
00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:27,691
The Colbys can always find room
for another trophy.
789
00:34:27,733 --> 00:34:28,901
[ Laughter ]
790
00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:31,403
Corday: You had these people
fighting over oil
791
00:34:31,444 --> 00:34:35,949
and mansions,
and it was fantasy,
792
00:34:35,991 --> 00:34:41,997
but in a kind of so-over-the-top
way that it was fun.
793
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,792
There's nothing devious
about using your femininity.
794
00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:48,127
Bianculli:
These shows took themselves
795
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:51,381
so unseriously
that they were camp.
796
00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:54,133
But that was okay
with the central audience
797
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:55,343
that was loving them.
798
00:34:55,385 --> 00:34:56,636
Duffy: It was entertainment.
799
00:34:56,678 --> 00:34:58,179
We weren't trying to do
high drama.
800
00:34:58,221 --> 00:35:00,139
We were there to entertain.
We were glossy.
801
00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:01,934
There was no getting around it.
802
00:35:01,975 --> 00:35:04,436
We knew what we were there for
and we did it as best we could.
803
00:35:05,854 --> 00:35:08,147
Gumbel: Australia's most
important export
804
00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:11,443
may be neither its animals
nor its beer nor its films.
805
00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:13,361
Could in fact be
one Rupert Murdoch.
806
00:35:13,403 --> 00:35:16,155
55-year-old Mr. Murdoch
is in the midst of building
807
00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:19,785
what Forbes magazine says is
the most extensive media empire
808
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,036
in history.
809
00:35:21,078 --> 00:35:23,162
Heilemann: A huge development
in television.
810
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,040
The gemini
of the three broadcast networks
811
00:35:25,082 --> 00:35:27,166
was presumed to be complete
and Rupert Murdoch
812
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:29,836
having disrupted the newspaper
business in Australia,
813
00:35:29,878 --> 00:35:31,337
the television business
in Britain.
814
00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:32,798
He arrives in America
and basically says,
815
00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:34,424
"I don't really see why
there should only be
816
00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,217
three broadcast networks.
I'm gonna make another one."
817
00:35:36,259 --> 00:35:38,177
This was a big, bold bet.
818
00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:39,763
Jensen: Meantime,
he will have to become
819
00:35:39,805 --> 00:35:43,182
an American citizen if he
is to own TV stations here.
820
00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:45,685
Something Murdoch says
he is willing to do.
821
00:35:45,727 --> 00:35:47,437
Gumbel: There are some people
who are saying
822
00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:51,357
that it'll take you 20 years
to get your Fox network
823
00:35:51,399 --> 00:35:53,192
on a par with the big three.
824
00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:54,569
Are you prepared
to wait that long?
825
00:35:54,611 --> 00:35:56,655
Sure, I certainly intend
to live that long.
826
00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:59,198
But I don't believe
in the 20 years.
827
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,200
Auletta:
The reaction to Murdoch's idea
828
00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:04,370
for a fourth network was similar
to the reaction at Ted Turner
829
00:36:04,412 --> 00:36:06,456
starting CNN --
it's ridiculous, you know.
830
00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:08,834
What does he know
about television?
831
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,419
We don't think of ourselves
as ABC, CBS, or NBC.
832
00:36:11,461 --> 00:36:13,005
We don't have to reach everyone.
833
00:36:13,046 --> 00:36:15,214
There's no question
we have an inferior lineup
834
00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:16,466
of stations to our counterparts.
835
00:36:16,508 --> 00:36:18,217
That means we'll all have
to work harder
836
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,804
to get our message across
and get shows sampled.
837
00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:24,141
Auletta: They had an idea that,
"In order to succeed
838
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:26,309
we have to differentiate
ourselves from the networks.
839
00:36:26,351 --> 00:36:28,603
We have to do things
they would not do."
840
00:36:28,645 --> 00:36:31,230
Fox started throwing anything
against the wall,
841
00:36:31,272 --> 00:36:32,649
not knowing what was gonna go.
842
00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:36,235
First shows were things like
"21 Jump Street"...
843
00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:38,237
What exactly are we
looking for here?
844
00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:40,032
...Joan Rivers
in terms of late night...
845
00:36:40,073 --> 00:36:43,118
We have been banned in Boston,
which I think is wonderful.
846
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,705
WXNE, so pick a finger WXNE.
847
00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:48,832
Bianculli:
...and "The Tracey Ullman Show."
848
00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:51,626
Oh, Polly!
849
00:36:51,668 --> 00:36:54,046
Levine: It was a sketch show,
850
00:36:54,087 --> 00:36:59,051
and they needed something
to go between the sketches.
851
00:36:59,092 --> 00:37:00,719
And again, they were looking
for something different.
852
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,721
I gotta have
those candy bars.
853
00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:05,765
You better not be thinking
of stealing those candy bars.
854
00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:06,975
That's it!
855
00:37:07,017 --> 00:37:10,478
"The Simpsons"
would never have come along
856
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,439
had it not been for
"The Tracey Ullman Show."
857
00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:16,359
Ultimately, crime hurts
the criminal.
858
00:37:16,401 --> 00:37:19,863
But that's not true Mom.
I got a free ride home didn't I?
859
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:21,114
Bart!
860
00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:22,448
Levine: Fox was thrilled
861
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:24,283
that it was different.
862
00:37:24,325 --> 00:37:25,577
They said, "Sure.
863
00:37:25,618 --> 00:37:26,995
Be experimental.
Do whatever you want."
864
00:37:27,037 --> 00:37:29,164
We're just happy to have
a show on the air.
865
00:37:29,206 --> 00:37:32,291
[ Laughter ]
I'm home!
866
00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:34,127
Bianculli:
"Married With Children"
867
00:37:34,169 --> 00:37:36,088
was their first big, big hit
868
00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:38,965
in that way that said
if all the rest of television
869
00:37:39,007 --> 00:37:41,801
is going this way,
we're going that way.
870
00:37:41,843 --> 00:37:45,304
Bud, Kelly, you want to come
down and help me in the kitchen?
871
00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:46,723
[ Doors slam ]
872
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:49,308
[ Chuckles ]
873
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:53,188
There, that should buy us
about 10 minutes.
874
00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:56,691
7 more than we'll need.
[ Chuckles ]
875
00:37:56,733 --> 00:37:58,693
Mandabach: The title of
"Married With Children"
876
00:37:58,735 --> 00:38:00,946
on the script
was "Not The Cosby Show."
877
00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:03,531
How great. I mean, you know,
you have to love that.
878
00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:06,409
They just were taking the piss
out of American families.
879
00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:08,120
Fun, great fun.
880
00:38:08,161 --> 00:38:09,328
Hurry up Bud.
881
00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:10,789
Never wanted to get married,
I'm married.
882
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:12,331
Never wanted to have kids,
I got two of them.
883
00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:13,708
How the hell did this happen?
884
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,711
The Bundys were almost like
a purposeful reaction
885
00:38:16,753 --> 00:38:19,256
to the perfection
of the Huxtables.
886
00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:20,506
And it was funny because,
you know,
887
00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:22,550
you had this wonderful,
perfect black family
888
00:38:22,592 --> 00:38:24,552
and these horrible,
miserable white people.
889
00:38:24,594 --> 00:38:26,221
And each show worked
on its own terms
890
00:38:26,263 --> 00:38:28,932
because you could find things
to relate to in both.
891
00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:30,349
Howdy neighbor.
892
00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:32,351
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I hate these people.
893
00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:34,020
Why don't we sit down?
894
00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:37,149
There was a lot of fun to be had
in, you know, Al and Peg Bundy.
895
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:40,735
Bianculli: After Fox introduces
"Married With Children,"
896
00:38:40,777 --> 00:38:43,738
it does very, very well,
then back on ABC,
897
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,866
they came up with another
major hit, "Roseanne."
898
00:38:46,908 --> 00:38:48,534
You think this is
a magic kingdom
899
00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:51,370
where you just sit up here
on your throne.
Oh yeah?
900
00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:53,248
Yeah, and you think
everything gets done
901
00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:54,540
by some wonderful wizard.
902
00:38:54,582 --> 00:38:56,459
Oh, poof,
the laundry's folded.
903
00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:58,003
Poof,
dinner's on the table.
904
00:38:58,044 --> 00:39:00,463
You want me to fix dinner?
I'll fix dinner.
905
00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:02,090
I'm fixing dinner!
906
00:39:02,132 --> 00:39:06,469
Oh, but, honey, you just
fixed dinner three years ago.
907
00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:08,387
Bianculli:
Typical American families
908
00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:10,682
weren't on television
for the longest time.
909
00:39:10,723 --> 00:39:13,018
The Donna Reed days, you know,
the early days,
910
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:16,188
the "Father Knows Best," hardly
anybody really lived like that.
911
00:39:16,229 --> 00:39:18,982
That was the way advertisers
wanted you to live.
912
00:39:19,024 --> 00:39:21,067
I know what just might
make you feel better.
913
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:23,320
Me too, but I bet
it's a different list
914
00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:24,570
than what you got.
915
00:39:24,612 --> 00:39:27,240
The ideal situation
is if you can subvert
916
00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:30,409
whatever common stuff
is said about families
917
00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:31,410
and about parenting.
918
00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:33,579
What's in this, lead?
919
00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:37,042
Oh, I got you kids
new leg irons.
920
00:39:37,083 --> 00:39:40,337
Her loudness
and her unfilteredness
921
00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,047
were key to why we liked her.
922
00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:44,090
She was saying stuff
about working class people,
923
00:39:44,132 --> 00:39:46,425
she was saying stuff
about men and women.
924
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:49,221
So it was about marriage
and about raising kids
925
00:39:49,262 --> 00:39:50,722
and about how hard it is.
926
00:39:50,763 --> 00:39:53,432
Oh, great, I'm just gonna
look like a freak, that's all.
927
00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:55,852
-What else is new?
-Shut up!
928
00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,897
This is why some animals
eat their young.
929
00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:03,484
TV in the '80s was a big decade
for the evolution of comedy,
930
00:40:03,526 --> 00:40:05,444
for the evolution of drama.
931
00:40:05,486 --> 00:40:07,155
It just pushed everything
forward.
932
00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:09,074
Shriver: Do you think perhaps
this generation
933
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,659
are paying more attention
to the dialogue,
934
00:40:11,701 --> 00:40:14,453
to the relationships
that they see on television
935
00:40:14,495 --> 00:40:16,039
than in years previous?
936
00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:19,458
Well, clearly the people
that are watching our shows are.
937
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:20,835
And "Thirtysomething"
938
00:40:20,877 --> 00:40:24,505
and "Cheers"
and "St. Elsewhere."
939
00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:26,841
These are shows
that are smartly written.
940
00:40:26,883 --> 00:40:29,468
It's their words
that define them.
941
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:31,263
And I think that's
what people like.
942
00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:33,472
I love you guys.
943
00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:36,351
That decade spawned
an extraordinary number
944
00:40:36,393 --> 00:40:40,772
of shows that really carved out
a unique niche for themselves.
945
00:40:40,813 --> 00:40:44,317
We began to turn television
into an art form.
946
00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:48,196
And for the first time,
people were proud to say,
947
00:40:48,238 --> 00:40:49,906
"I write for television."
948
00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:53,701
Yost: Up until that point,
television was second class.
949
00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:56,495
In the '80s,
it was something else entirely
950
00:40:56,537 --> 00:40:59,665
and it was new and it was
kind of interesting.
951
00:40:59,707 --> 00:41:01,584
Connelly:
It's like everyone in the '80s
952
00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:03,502
starts to want to tell
their stories.
953
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,880
That's what really changes
things.
954
00:41:05,922 --> 00:41:08,674
Shales: The unexpected
was more welcome in the '80s.
955
00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,510
Predictability lost its cache.
956
00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:15,890
Television has an impact
on every era, every decade.
957
00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:18,517
Gumbel: Television still shapes
the thinking of America like
958
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,186
no other element
in our country.
959
00:41:20,228 --> 00:41:23,522
Sometimes for the better,
sometimes for the worse.
960
00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:27,526
Duffy: It gave rise to people
pursuing artistic content
961
00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:29,779
in a way that I think
has raised the bar
962
00:41:29,821 --> 00:41:33,199
in television production
exponentially.
963
00:41:33,241 --> 00:41:35,827
Bianculli: There's a shift
in the '80s from just wanting
964
00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:38,913
to placate the audience
to wanting to please
965
00:41:38,955 --> 00:41:40,539
and challenge the audience.
966
00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:42,250
And that's the decade
when it happened.
967
00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:45,337
We had one hell of a run.
Didn't we partner?
968
00:41:45,378 --> 00:41:47,172
Yeah. We sure did, sonny.
969
00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:49,048
I'm gonna miss you man.
970
00:41:49,090 --> 00:41:52,010
I'm gonna miss you,
too, sonny.
971
00:41:52,051 --> 00:41:56,555
Can I give you a ride
to the airport?
972
00:41:56,597 --> 00:41:57,556
Why not?
973
00:41:57,598 --> 00:42:01,602
♪♪
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