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Lacey: This is true. 5 00:00:14,515 --> 00:00:16,350 What do you say we go out and celebrate how terrific we are? 6 00:00:16,391 --> 00:00:19,311 Turner: We intend to cover all the news all the time. 7 00:00:19,353 --> 00:00:21,772 We won't be signing off until the world ends. 8 00:00:21,814 --> 00:00:23,273 Isn't that special? 9 00:00:23,315 --> 00:00:25,526 Man: I know a doctor who can take care of it right away. 10 00:00:25,567 --> 00:00:27,152 That will never happen. 11 00:00:27,194 --> 00:00:31,072 We have seen the news, and it is us. 12 00:00:31,114 --> 00:00:34,994 ♪♪ 13 00:01:22,624 --> 00:01:25,168 [ Cheers and applause ] 14 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:30,131 Troy: There are two parts to 1980s. 15 00:01:30,173 --> 00:01:32,760 On the one hand, the 1980s is really a time of change, 16 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:35,012 a time of excess, a time of novelty, 17 00:01:35,054 --> 00:01:37,180 but there's also a desire for comfort. 18 00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:39,016 There's a desire for tradition. 19 00:01:39,058 --> 00:01:42,143 And Johnny Carson is able to combine them all, 20 00:01:42,185 --> 00:01:45,981 and he does it night after night with that brilliant, 21 00:01:46,023 --> 00:01:48,984 non-threatening, non-edgy edginess. 22 00:01:49,026 --> 00:01:51,653 You are in a good mood tonight. 23 00:01:51,695 --> 00:01:54,155 And I tell you, we have put a great show together. 24 00:01:54,197 --> 00:01:56,157 It'll be on a week from Thursday. 25 00:01:56,199 --> 00:01:57,743 [ Laughter ] 26 00:01:57,785 --> 00:02:00,328 Connelly: Johnny Carson in the '80s is making the transition 27 00:02:00,370 --> 00:02:02,039 from being the king of late night 28 00:02:02,081 --> 00:02:03,457 to being a national treasure. 29 00:02:03,498 --> 00:02:07,168 He was a throwback to that old show biz stuff. 30 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:08,462 I haven't been on with you for some time. 31 00:02:08,503 --> 00:02:10,171 You, you've been -- -It's been a long time. 32 00:02:10,213 --> 00:02:11,757 Yeah, well, you've been busy with other things. 33 00:02:11,799 --> 00:02:13,174 That's -- [ Chuckles ] 34 00:02:13,216 --> 00:02:15,176 [ Laughter ] 35 00:02:15,218 --> 00:02:18,179 Connelly: The tide is starting to turn in terms of 36 00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:20,099 where late-night television is gonna go. 37 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:22,017 But Johnny is kind of holding out. 38 00:02:22,059 --> 00:02:26,105 He was not necessarily of his time in the '80s. 39 00:02:26,187 --> 00:02:29,357 But he did sustain a certain timelessness. 40 00:02:29,399 --> 00:02:30,651 He's the king. 41 00:02:30,692 --> 00:02:32,193 On your chair. 42 00:02:32,235 --> 00:02:33,862 [ Laughter ] 43 00:02:33,904 --> 00:02:38,199 Whoa! 44 00:02:38,241 --> 00:02:40,368 Hyah! 45 00:02:40,410 --> 00:02:41,996 He's all right. He's just playing. 46 00:02:42,037 --> 00:02:43,246 Playing my [bleep] 47 00:02:43,288 --> 00:02:44,999 [ Laughter ] 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,376 My next guest not only has a college degree, 49 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:51,296 but he also has a high-school degree. 50 00:02:51,338 --> 00:02:53,214 -That's right, I do. Yes. -As well, uh-huh. 51 00:02:53,256 --> 00:02:55,216 Hartley: He's hosted "The Tonight Show" practically as often 52 00:02:55,258 --> 00:02:58,679 as Johnny Carson and now he has his very own show, 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,223 Weekday Mornings at 10:00 on NBC. 54 00:03:02,265 --> 00:03:04,225 Ladies and gentleman what you're witnessing here 55 00:03:04,267 --> 00:03:07,228 is a good idea gone awry. 56 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:09,230 Yes, and a fun-filled surprise 57 00:03:09,272 --> 00:03:13,234 turning into an incredible screw up right here. 58 00:03:13,276 --> 00:03:17,238 David Letterman originally had a one-hour daytime show. 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,827 And NBC, after like 13 weeks, decided to cancel it. 60 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:23,537 Today is our last show on the air. 61 00:03:23,578 --> 00:03:25,080 Monday, Las Vegas. 62 00:03:25,122 --> 00:03:27,499 [ Crowd booing ] 63 00:03:27,541 --> 00:03:30,169 Have these people been frisked before they... 64 00:03:30,209 --> 00:03:32,546 It was a dismal failure in terms of the ratings. 65 00:03:32,587 --> 00:03:36,050 But not in terms of introducing us to Letterman. 66 00:03:36,091 --> 00:03:37,759 David, thank you for being with us tonight. 67 00:03:37,801 --> 00:03:40,054 Thank you very much for having me, I appreciate it. 68 00:03:40,095 --> 00:03:41,638 And in spite of all this nonsense 69 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,265 that goes around in the background, stay with it. 70 00:03:44,307 --> 00:03:46,101 Don't give up. And stay with us here in New York. 71 00:03:46,143 --> 00:03:48,520 We like having you. I like being here. Thank you very much. 72 00:03:48,562 --> 00:03:51,899 Dave is back in New York. You're going to host 73 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:55,652 a late-night television program that premieres Monday night. 74 00:03:55,694 --> 00:03:58,279 What are, what are critics likely to say Tuesday morning? 75 00:03:58,321 --> 00:04:01,742 I don't much care because I found a way to deal with that -- 76 00:04:01,783 --> 00:04:03,660 pills and whiskey. -[ Laughs ] 77 00:04:03,702 --> 00:04:07,581 -[ Laughs ] -[ Snorts ] 78 00:04:07,622 --> 00:04:09,290 [ Chuckles ] You're on. 79 00:04:09,332 --> 00:04:12,335 Oh, I'm on. I'm sorry, I was enjoying listening to you snort. 80 00:04:12,377 --> 00:04:14,295 [ Laughs ] 81 00:04:14,337 --> 00:04:17,799 Levine: They gave him the "Late Night" show after "The Tonight Show," 82 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:19,300 and at the time, people thought, 83 00:04:19,342 --> 00:04:22,012 who's gonna watch television at 12:30 at night? 84 00:04:22,054 --> 00:04:23,597 Who's up? I'll tell you who's up. 85 00:04:23,638 --> 00:04:25,557 Young people. College people. 86 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:27,517 Is it going well? I know this is the first show 87 00:04:27,559 --> 00:04:29,477 and I think this guy needs a little support. 88 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:30,771 Dave Letterman. 89 00:04:30,812 --> 00:04:32,940 Mandabach: He was antiestablishment at his core. 90 00:04:32,981 --> 00:04:37,611 He was thumbing his nose to any existing social structures. 91 00:04:37,652 --> 00:04:39,947 Lettermen: Who are those women out there, by the way? Woman: Neighbors. 92 00:04:39,988 --> 00:04:44,118 I'll get rid of them. Hey, excuse me. 93 00:04:44,159 --> 00:04:47,704 Just keep it moving, come on. 94 00:04:47,746 --> 00:04:52,333 He kind of spoofed the whole notion of talk shows. 95 00:04:52,375 --> 00:04:54,253 It's the "Late Night" guest cam. 96 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:57,256 Please say hello to Tom Hanks. Here he is. 97 00:04:57,297 --> 00:04:58,757 [ Cheers and applause ] 98 00:04:58,799 --> 00:05:01,342 Hanks: No one can go on the "David Letterman Show" 99 00:05:01,384 --> 00:05:04,179 and try to steer it towards a point of view 100 00:05:04,221 --> 00:05:05,764 or push something in particular. 101 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:07,266 He just wouldn't stand for it. 102 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:09,143 You're on to do one thing and one thing only -- 103 00:05:09,184 --> 00:05:11,228 be as funny as the rest of the show. 104 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:13,396 You know, we could get in a two shot here, Dave. 105 00:05:13,438 --> 00:05:15,816 We could actually send the crew home, couldn't we? 106 00:05:15,857 --> 00:05:18,359 [ Laughter ] 107 00:05:18,401 --> 00:05:20,361 Steinberg: You know, as a comedian, 108 00:05:20,403 --> 00:05:22,363 you want the biggest audience that you could get. 109 00:05:22,405 --> 00:05:25,284 For Dave, he knew a lot of things that he would do 110 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:27,535 were gonna alienate people, and he didn't care. 111 00:05:27,577 --> 00:05:29,370 He wanted his thumbprint out there, 112 00:05:29,412 --> 00:05:31,372 and that's the most important thing. 113 00:05:31,414 --> 00:05:34,375 It's time for "Small Town News." Paul? 114 00:05:34,417 --> 00:05:36,377 Paul Shaffer, ladies and gentlemen. 115 00:05:36,419 --> 00:05:39,547 Shales: The show making fun of itself and turning itself 116 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:43,177 inside out that way was something kind of new. 117 00:05:43,218 --> 00:05:44,385 I mean, don't we look like guys 118 00:05:44,427 --> 00:05:45,971 that you'd see hanging around together? 119 00:05:46,013 --> 00:05:47,764 Absolutely. Would you like to hang around with me? 120 00:05:47,806 --> 00:05:49,183 Nope. 121 00:05:49,224 --> 00:05:51,185 I've said it before and I'll say it again. 122 00:05:51,226 --> 00:05:53,687 This is the stupidest show I've... 123 00:05:53,728 --> 00:05:56,190 I thought that I would never want to do this show with you. 124 00:05:56,231 --> 00:05:57,398 Now why? 125 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,400 Because you thought I was a... 126 00:05:59,442 --> 00:06:00,610 An [bleep] 127 00:06:00,652 --> 00:06:02,570 [ Laughter ] 128 00:06:02,612 --> 00:06:05,699 There's one rule I keep trying to abide by 129 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:09,410 and unfortunately I only get to it about 12% of the time. 130 00:06:09,452 --> 00:06:12,497 And that is, it's only television. 131 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:14,582 We're not doing cancer research. 132 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:17,418 If the 40 year-odd history of commercial broadcasting 133 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:20,881 has taught us one thing, there's nothing sacred about television. 134 00:06:20,922 --> 00:06:22,423 Hey Dave, I was just curious, 135 00:06:22,465 --> 00:06:24,425 is there any way I can get MTV on this... 136 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:27,428 Actually, Steve, that's a -- that's just a monitor 137 00:06:27,470 --> 00:06:29,472 and all you can get on that is our show. 138 00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:31,432 Oh. That's okay. 139 00:06:31,474 --> 00:06:34,435 Hanks: There was a degree of cynicism 140 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:36,437 that was needed in the art form at that time. 141 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:39,482 And it's a cynicism that just became common sense 142 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:41,735 after a while, because it never got old. 143 00:06:41,776 --> 00:06:44,445 I've watched Johnny Carson, 144 00:06:44,487 --> 00:06:47,448 and you are no Johnny Carson. 145 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:51,452 [ Cheers and applause ] 146 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:53,454 [ Whooping ] 147 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:55,623 Good day, welcome to the Great White North Canadian Corner. 148 00:06:55,665 --> 00:06:57,458 I'm Bob McKenzie, this is my brother Doug. 149 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:00,461 And today we got a real big show 'cause we got a... 150 00:07:00,503 --> 00:07:02,256 Bianculli: There was a Second City Chicago company, 151 00:07:02,297 --> 00:07:04,465 there was a Second City Toronto company. 152 00:07:04,507 --> 00:07:08,511 The Toronto one is the one that fueled the SCTV series, 153 00:07:08,553 --> 00:07:12,391 which originally was syndicated and got to the States that way. 154 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:14,851 -Hail Caesar! -Hail Caesar! 155 00:07:14,893 --> 00:07:17,854 Hail, hail. Thank you very much for that marvelous reception. 156 00:07:17,896 --> 00:07:20,481 I particularly want to thank my supporters over there 157 00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:22,984 in the Caesarian section. [ Laughter ] 158 00:07:23,026 --> 00:07:25,486 Steinberg: It's healthy to be an outsider, you know, 159 00:07:25,528 --> 00:07:29,490 as a comedian, and Canadians are always outsiders 160 00:07:29,532 --> 00:07:32,077 But they're looking at the other culture, 161 00:07:32,119 --> 00:07:33,661 which is right next door to them. 162 00:07:33,703 --> 00:07:36,664 I love you Sammy Maudlin! I want to bear your children! 163 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:38,166 [ Laughs ] 164 00:07:38,208 --> 00:07:43,422 Hanks: It was the type of comedy that had only been accessible 165 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:45,506 if you could have gotten into the improv clubs 166 00:07:45,548 --> 00:07:46,925 in Chicago or Toronto. 167 00:07:46,967 --> 00:07:50,137 I had never seen anything like Second City TV. 168 00:07:50,178 --> 00:07:52,013 Trembel: James Bridgeman, Parkdale. 169 00:07:52,055 --> 00:07:54,308 [ Laughter ] 170 00:07:54,349 --> 00:07:55,892 I'm sorry. No, never mind. I'm sorry. 171 00:07:55,934 --> 00:07:59,229 Yost: It was far more conceptual in its humor 172 00:07:59,271 --> 00:08:01,106 because it didn't have to be performed 173 00:08:01,148 --> 00:08:02,523 in front of an audience. 174 00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:04,525 And there was also just the idea 175 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:07,612 that it was this sort of low-rent thing. 176 00:08:07,654 --> 00:08:09,906 It was this sort of by the seat of their pants 177 00:08:09,948 --> 00:08:13,952 kind of operation that gave it an authenticity. 178 00:08:13,994 --> 00:08:16,413 Now that our programming day has been extended, 179 00:08:16,455 --> 00:08:17,747 I'm gonna be spending a lot... 180 00:08:17,789 --> 00:08:20,334 Where do you want me to put the kielbasa Mrs. Prickley? 181 00:08:20,375 --> 00:08:21,542 Put it in the fridge, Butch. 182 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:23,378 Yost: You were rooting for the show 183 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:25,255 and the characters that they had created. 184 00:08:25,297 --> 00:08:28,549 There was just something that you got behind. 185 00:08:28,591 --> 00:08:30,551 Whereas, you know, "SNL" right from the -- 186 00:08:30,593 --> 00:08:33,805 from the gate and through the '80s 187 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:36,557 was this big enterprise. 188 00:08:36,599 --> 00:08:38,852 Franken: After five golden years, 189 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:42,481 Lorne decided to leave and so did those close to him, 190 00:08:42,563 --> 00:08:46,485 including me, Al Franken. 191 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:49,196 So NBC had to pick a new producer. 192 00:08:49,237 --> 00:08:52,157 Now most knowledgeable people, as you might imagine, 193 00:08:52,199 --> 00:08:55,452 hoped it would be me, Al Franken. 194 00:08:55,494 --> 00:08:57,162 Shales: Well, there was a real question 195 00:08:57,204 --> 00:08:59,498 of whether "Saturday Night Live" would continue at all 196 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:00,665 or whether it would just die. 197 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:02,834 The press hasn't been overly kind. 198 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:04,378 Yeah, I read that stuff. 199 00:09:04,419 --> 00:09:06,254 "Saturday Night Live" is Saturday Night Dead. 200 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:08,589 Man: Oh, man, come on. Geez. 201 00:09:08,631 --> 00:09:11,385 From yucks to yech. [ All groan ] 202 00:09:11,426 --> 00:09:13,512 My favorite, though, is "Vile From New York." 203 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:15,763 -Please, Bill, come on. -It's funny, it's funny. 204 00:09:15,805 --> 00:09:17,598 Shales: They were having a hard time 205 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,477 and then came the man that saved the show, Eddie Murphy. 206 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:23,604 ♪ Wookin' pa nub ♪ 207 00:09:23,646 --> 00:09:26,607 Shales: There was buzz about him so you tuned in 208 00:09:26,649 --> 00:09:29,403 and there was this kind of explosion of talent 209 00:09:29,444 --> 00:09:30,695 in front of your eyes. 210 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:33,614 [ As James Brown ] Hey! Too hot in the hot tub! 211 00:09:33,656 --> 00:09:35,616 Burn myself! 212 00:09:35,658 --> 00:09:38,036 It really kind of rejuvenated the show. 213 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:41,540 I am Gumby, damn it! You don't talk to me that way. 214 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:42,999 Shales: After a while, 215 00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:45,126 the show regained its status and its clout 216 00:09:45,168 --> 00:09:48,338 and became even more of an institution than it had been. 217 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:49,630 Hey Bob. [ Chuckles ] 218 00:09:49,672 --> 00:09:52,300 Hey, penis looks great today. 219 00:09:52,342 --> 00:09:54,635 Listen, Harry, if you're unhappy with my work, tell me now! 220 00:09:54,677 --> 00:09:56,012 You're through, do you hear me? 221 00:09:56,054 --> 00:09:58,014 Through! You'll never work in this town again. 222 00:09:58,056 --> 00:10:00,308 Don't leave me hanging by a thread! Let me know where I stand! 223 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:04,020 We were a little worried at first because we had a new cast, 224 00:10:04,062 --> 00:10:05,439 but everyone loves us. 225 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,815 You guys have been so nice to us during our stay. 226 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:09,276 Isn't that special? 227 00:10:09,317 --> 00:10:10,651 I am Hans. 228 00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:14,655 And I am Franz. And we just want to pump you up! 229 00:10:14,697 --> 00:10:16,575 Levine: A lot of things that they could do 230 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:19,827 on "Saturday Night Live" they couldn't do on a sitcom. 231 00:10:19,869 --> 00:10:24,916 The humor was more daring and more satirical. 232 00:10:24,958 --> 00:10:26,543 And it was political. 233 00:10:26,585 --> 00:10:30,671 You still have, uh, 50 seconds left Mr. Vice President. 234 00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:34,926 Well let me just sum up, on track, 235 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:39,556 stay the course, a thousand points of light. 236 00:10:39,598 --> 00:10:41,099 Stay the course. 237 00:10:41,141 --> 00:10:43,351 Governor Dukakis, rebuttal? 238 00:10:43,393 --> 00:10:45,479 I can't believe I'm losing to this guy. 239 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:46,687 [ Laughter ] 240 00:10:48,189 --> 00:10:49,774 This is my last broadcast 241 00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:52,360 as the anchorman of the "CBS Evening News." 242 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:55,113 For me, it's a moment for which I long have planned, 243 00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:57,907 but which nevertheless comes with some sadness. 244 00:10:57,949 --> 00:10:59,700 For almost two decades after all, 245 00:10:59,742 --> 00:11:01,702 we've been meeting like this in the evenings, 246 00:11:01,744 --> 00:11:02,954 and I'll miss that. 247 00:11:02,996 --> 00:11:06,541 And that's the way it is, Friday, March 6, 1981. 248 00:11:06,583 --> 00:11:08,709 I'll be away on assignment and Dan Rather 249 00:11:08,751 --> 00:11:10,795 will be sitting in here for the next few years. 250 00:11:10,837 --> 00:11:11,963 Good night. 251 00:11:12,005 --> 00:11:15,716 Uncle Walter had dominated certainly CBS, 252 00:11:15,758 --> 00:11:17,718 but in a way, the country. 253 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,928 People used to say 254 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:21,722 that he was the most trusted man in the country. 255 00:11:21,764 --> 00:11:23,724 Bianculli: Once Walter Cronkite retires, 256 00:11:23,766 --> 00:11:25,726 all three network news anchors 257 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:27,395 within a period of a couple of years 258 00:11:27,437 --> 00:11:28,729 switch over to a new generation. 259 00:11:28,771 --> 00:11:30,773 The '80s may have been the last gasp 260 00:11:30,815 --> 00:11:34,735 where people watching the media liked and trusted the media. 261 00:11:34,777 --> 00:11:37,822 Nuclear arms and how to prevent global destruction 262 00:11:37,864 --> 00:11:39,740 are expected to be the major topic 263 00:11:39,782 --> 00:11:41,742 of President Reagan's news conference tonight. 264 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:43,911 That conference will be nationally televised 265 00:11:43,953 --> 00:11:44,954 within the hour. 266 00:11:44,996 --> 00:11:46,747 Lesley Stahl is at the White House. 267 00:11:46,789 --> 00:11:48,625 Stahl: The White House is hoping that tomorrow's... 268 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:50,793 In the '80s, women came into the newsroom. 269 00:11:50,835 --> 00:11:54,755 When I first joined, it was '72, and there were very few. 270 00:11:54,797 --> 00:11:57,758 By the '80s, there were more and more. 271 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,219 Woodruff: The decade of the '80s 272 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:01,012 was still a time of sink or swim. 273 00:12:01,054 --> 00:12:03,223 You had to be resilient in your own way 274 00:12:03,264 --> 00:12:06,767 to survive in a period when you were going up against 275 00:12:06,809 --> 00:12:10,397 a lot of people who still didn't think women had what it took. 276 00:12:10,438 --> 00:12:13,191 These are some of the most famous faces in broadcasting, 277 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:14,775 all of whom happen to be women. 278 00:12:14,817 --> 00:12:17,612 The best producers, I'm gonna get fired -- 279 00:12:17,654 --> 00:12:20,615 the best producers at CBS News are women. 280 00:12:20,657 --> 00:12:23,784 And they are at the level of taking hold 281 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:25,995 and making decisions about individual pieces. 282 00:12:26,037 --> 00:12:27,830 They're not yet executive producers 283 00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:30,791 of all the news shows, but they will be. 284 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:32,793 Clayton: For the past 24 hours, 285 00:12:32,835 --> 00:12:34,795 Christine Craft has taken her cause 286 00:12:34,837 --> 00:12:37,798 to many of the nation's news and talk programs. 287 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,800 I didn't set out to be Joan of Arc, 288 00:12:39,842 --> 00:12:42,970 but I think that what happened to me deserves some attention. 289 00:12:43,012 --> 00:12:46,641 Woodruff: Christine Craft had a very successful career, 290 00:12:46,683 --> 00:12:48,727 but there she was in her late 30s 291 00:12:48,767 --> 00:12:50,311 and the TV station said to her, 292 00:12:50,353 --> 00:12:53,814 "We're taking you off the air because you've gotten older 293 00:12:53,856 --> 00:12:56,109 and you're not as attractive as you once were," 294 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:57,527 which was outrageous. 295 00:12:57,569 --> 00:12:59,738 And she decided to make an issue of it. 296 00:12:59,778 --> 00:13:01,114 She filed a lawsuit, 297 00:13:01,155 --> 00:13:04,409 and it became a huge national topic of discussion. 298 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:07,454 Woman: A jury said she got a raw deal because she is a woman. 299 00:13:07,495 --> 00:13:10,457 Woodruff: And so women in television news everywhere were asked, 300 00:13:10,498 --> 00:13:12,083 "What do you think about Christine Craft?" 301 00:13:12,125 --> 00:13:14,043 I think unfortunately in recent years, 302 00:13:14,085 --> 00:13:15,836 the emphasis has been increasingly 303 00:13:15,878 --> 00:13:18,632 on physical appearance, and to the extent. 304 00:13:18,673 --> 00:13:21,134 This decision helped swing the emphasis back 305 00:13:21,175 --> 00:13:23,261 to substance and to good journalism. 306 00:13:23,303 --> 00:13:25,305 I think we've got something to be happy about. 307 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:28,683 It was important to make the point that what mattered 308 00:13:28,725 --> 00:13:30,310 was what kind of reporter are you? 309 00:13:30,351 --> 00:13:32,853 But it took the Christine Craft incident, 310 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:36,733 I think, to bring that conversation out into the open. 311 00:13:36,775 --> 00:13:38,067 This coming Sunday, 312 00:13:38,109 --> 00:13:41,696 a new television network opens for business -- CNN. 313 00:13:41,738 --> 00:13:43,490 Cable News Network. 314 00:13:43,531 --> 00:13:44,907 You're throwing all the dice on this one? 315 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,702 Why not? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. 316 00:13:47,744 --> 00:13:49,245 Faint heart never won fair lady. 317 00:13:49,287 --> 00:13:51,706 Well on that original point, Mr. Turner, 318 00:13:51,748 --> 00:13:53,374 thank you very much indeed. 319 00:13:53,416 --> 00:13:56,294 Turner: I wanted to see what was going on in the world. 320 00:13:56,336 --> 00:13:58,713 And there was no way that you could do it 321 00:13:58,755 --> 00:14:00,881 watching the regular television stations. 322 00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:03,884 The news only comes on at 6:00 and 10:00. 323 00:14:03,926 --> 00:14:06,304 But if there was news on 24 hours, 324 00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:07,930 people could watch it any time. 325 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:11,892 We sign on on June 1 and barring satellite problems 326 00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:13,894 in the future, we won't be signing off 327 00:14:13,936 --> 00:14:15,355 until the world ends. 328 00:14:15,396 --> 00:14:16,939 Greenfield: There was a widespread belief 329 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:18,107 this was a fool's errand. 330 00:14:18,149 --> 00:14:21,319 How can this possibly find an audience? 331 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:23,738 Well, he did. 332 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:25,906 Ready Camera three. One center up. 333 00:14:25,948 --> 00:14:27,116 Good evening. I'm David Walker. 334 00:14:27,158 --> 00:14:28,951 And I'm Lois Harp. Now here's the news. 335 00:14:28,993 --> 00:14:30,911 President Carter has arrived... 336 00:14:30,953 --> 00:14:34,624 Television news before this was stuff that had already happened. 337 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:36,125 For the first time, 338 00:14:36,167 --> 00:14:40,588 CNN brought the world to people in real time. 339 00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:44,300 Announcer: CNN -- the world's most important network. 340 00:14:44,342 --> 00:14:46,927 Turner: I didn't do Cable News Network 341 00:14:46,969 --> 00:14:48,929 because somebody told me it couldn't be done. 342 00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:51,349 I figured it was a very viable concept 343 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,933 and I went ahead and did it. 344 00:14:52,975 --> 00:14:55,936 It was after we announced that we were going to do it 345 00:14:55,978 --> 00:14:57,980 that the detractors showed up. 346 00:14:58,022 --> 00:15:01,568 Gumbel: Is Cable News Network just gonna be a new means 347 00:15:01,609 --> 00:15:03,110 of delivering the same kind of fare? 348 00:15:03,152 --> 00:15:04,362 No. 349 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:07,114 It already does provide different fare 350 00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:09,158 and Cable News Network is a perfect 351 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,994 and maybe the best example of that. 352 00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:15,206 People love news and we had lots of it. 353 00:15:15,248 --> 00:15:17,876 And the other guys had not very much. 354 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:21,128 So choice and quantity won out. 355 00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:22,630 New York City, hello. 356 00:15:22,672 --> 00:15:26,175 Mintier: A major catastrophe in America's space program... 357 00:15:26,217 --> 00:15:29,345 I'm Lou Dobbs along with Financial Editor Myron Kandel. 358 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:32,849 Jessica McClure trapped for almost three days now 359 00:15:32,891 --> 00:15:34,809 in a dry artesian well. 360 00:15:34,851 --> 00:15:36,269 Miller: The Iron Curtain between East Germany 361 00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:38,979 and West Berlin has come tumbling down. 362 00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:41,816 Good evening I'm Pat Buchanan the conservative in "Crossfire." 363 00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:44,985 Buchanan: The American people appreciated the new television. 364 00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:48,989 They certainly came to -- came to CNN in droves. 365 00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:52,619 Mr. Gorbachev and I both agree on the desirability of freer 366 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:56,247 and more extensive personal contact between the peoples 367 00:15:56,289 --> 00:15:58,999 of the Soviet Union and the United States. 368 00:15:59,041 --> 00:16:02,044 We began to realize that the best way 369 00:16:02,086 --> 00:16:05,005 to get a message to a foreign leader was to have the President 370 00:16:05,047 --> 00:16:07,842 go in the rose garden and make a statement. 371 00:16:07,884 --> 00:16:10,595 Because everybody was watching CNN. 372 00:16:10,637 --> 00:16:13,013 Turner: CNN was a breakthrough. 373 00:16:13,055 --> 00:16:14,432 It changed the whole world. 374 00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:17,477 Stahl: It changed quickly, the network news business. 375 00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:20,271 That business that we weren't the only ones. 376 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:21,439 And it was hard, you know. 377 00:16:21,481 --> 00:16:24,484 It's hard to be on the top little perch 378 00:16:24,525 --> 00:16:26,861 and have to come down off it. 379 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:30,030 A special segment tonight, the network news. 380 00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:33,326 The first in a two-part series on the profound changes 381 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:35,244 taking place in television news. 382 00:16:35,286 --> 00:16:37,538 Changes being brought about by business, 383 00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:39,540 competition, and technology. 384 00:16:39,582 --> 00:16:41,501 Heilemann: There are a variety of reasons why people who worked 385 00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:44,879 at the broadcast networks were freaked out in the 1980s. 386 00:16:44,921 --> 00:16:47,882 One of them was CNN and the rise of cable. 387 00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:50,134 Another was being taken over 388 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:53,053 by foreign entities in corporate America. 389 00:16:53,095 --> 00:16:56,891 Hart: New owners spent billions buying the networks recently, 390 00:16:56,933 --> 00:16:59,059 and all of them want their money's worth. 391 00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:02,897 People began to find out that news could be a profit center. 392 00:17:02,939 --> 00:17:05,065 And that focused a lot of attention on us. 393 00:17:05,107 --> 00:17:07,443 A lot from people in Wall Street, for instance. 394 00:17:07,485 --> 00:17:12,072 If you think about the news divisions of CBS, NBC, and ABC, 395 00:17:12,114 --> 00:17:14,367 they were part of a really proud tradition -- 396 00:17:14,408 --> 00:17:16,744 a journalistic tradition that really matters. 397 00:17:16,786 --> 00:17:17,996 We serve the public. 398 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,080 This is not about profit and loss. 399 00:17:20,122 --> 00:17:21,958 And the people who worked at those news divisions 400 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,669 were totally freaked out by what it meant 401 00:17:24,711 --> 00:17:28,297 that they were now owned by these larger corporate entities. 402 00:17:28,339 --> 00:17:31,091 If the television news isn't profitable at some point, 403 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:33,302 there won't be any more television news on the networks. 404 00:17:33,344 --> 00:17:35,304 Shales: I worry about people who are interested only in money 405 00:17:35,346 --> 00:17:37,181 and power getting ahold of television. 406 00:17:37,223 --> 00:17:39,141 It has higher purposes than that. 407 00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:41,561 We have seen the news and it is us. 408 00:17:44,313 --> 00:17:46,315 Collins: Sometimes ambition in a woman 409 00:17:46,357 --> 00:17:49,193 is considered to be a dirty word unfortunately. 410 00:17:49,235 --> 00:17:51,153 Bloodworth-Thomason: I don't hear a lot of female voices 411 00:17:51,195 --> 00:17:53,364 reverberating in the halls of power in this business. 412 00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:55,825 Well, I'm surprised there aren't more shows about women 413 00:17:55,867 --> 00:17:57,535 that are talking about who they are. 414 00:17:57,577 --> 00:17:59,119 Directing seems to be an area 415 00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:01,748 that is almost impossible to break through. 416 00:18:01,789 --> 00:18:05,125 I think the '80s were the era 417 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:08,128 when women were being looked at 418 00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:10,130 with a little skepticism, 419 00:18:10,172 --> 00:18:13,718 but definitely with more acceptability. 420 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,766 You could see the door opening, but it wasn't wide open. 421 00:18:19,807 --> 00:18:21,768 Stahl: "Cagney & Lacey" was huge. 422 00:18:21,809 --> 00:18:24,645 That there would be two women and they had a serious job 423 00:18:24,687 --> 00:18:27,189 and they solved crimes and they were out on the streets. 424 00:18:27,231 --> 00:18:28,524 They were tough. 425 00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:31,569 That was emblematic or maybe out in front a little 426 00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:33,821 of what was actually happening in the country. 427 00:18:33,863 --> 00:18:37,157 So, we're a terrific team. This is true. 428 00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:39,159 What do you say we go out and celebrate how terrific we are? 429 00:18:39,201 --> 00:18:42,663 Bianculli: There had been by that point hundreds of buddy cop shows, 430 00:18:42,705 --> 00:18:44,749 but these buddies were women. 431 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:47,085 That had never been done before. 432 00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:49,420 I didn't go after this job 433 00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:51,589 because I couldn't find anything else. 434 00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:54,216 All right? I did not come here because I needed 435 00:18:54,258 --> 00:18:56,594 some kind of work to help pay the orthodontist. 436 00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:59,221 This means something to me. What the hell are we talking about here? 437 00:18:59,263 --> 00:19:02,600 Corday: We didn't even realize that this was gonna be 438 00:19:02,642 --> 00:19:06,186 such a big deal, and strangely, 439 00:19:06,228 --> 00:19:08,564 all these guys would say to us, 440 00:19:08,606 --> 00:19:10,817 "Well yeah, I mean, it's a good script, 441 00:19:10,858 --> 00:19:13,193 but who's gonna save them in the end?" 442 00:19:13,235 --> 00:19:15,195 All right, come on. We're taking you out of here. 443 00:19:15,237 --> 00:19:16,489 -[ Sobbing ] -Come on. 444 00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:17,865 You're taking my wife?! 445 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:20,200 You don't take one step. You understand me? 446 00:19:20,242 --> 00:19:22,870 Sergeant Nelson, you have until 8:00 tomorrow morning 447 00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:24,246 to turn yourself into IAD. 448 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:27,000 -Phyllis! -If you don't, I will. 449 00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:31,253 Hart: It was a time where you really saw an emergence of women 450 00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:34,423 on television who were not necessarily 451 00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:38,218 just 20 and blond and had a small role. 452 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:40,138 But women who had substantial roles. 453 00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:44,224 ♪ Thank you for being a friend ♪ 454 00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:48,228 ♪ Traveled down the road and back again ♪ 455 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:52,232 It was unpredictable that an audience, 456 00:19:52,274 --> 00:19:55,444 a young audience, a not-so-young audience 457 00:19:55,486 --> 00:19:59,866 and lots in between could relate to those older ladies. 458 00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:01,283 Ma, if you couldn't see, 459 00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:04,244 why didn't you call me to come get you? 460 00:20:04,286 --> 00:20:07,289 I tried to but every time I put in a dime and dialed, 461 00:20:07,331 --> 00:20:09,167 a condom popped out. 462 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:11,169 [ Laughter ] 463 00:20:13,087 --> 00:20:15,882 I got five in my pocket. Here Dorothy. 464 00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:17,257 [ Laughter ] 465 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:19,177 A lifetime supply. 466 00:20:19,218 --> 00:20:21,261 Mitchell: She was recently named 467 00:20:21,303 --> 00:20:22,680 along with Norman Lear and Jim Brooks 468 00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:24,932 as one of television's most gifted creator/writers. 469 00:20:24,974 --> 00:20:27,685 And when you look back at the past women role models 470 00:20:27,727 --> 00:20:31,105 on television, well, it's easy to see Susan Harris' impact. 471 00:20:31,147 --> 00:20:34,775 Mandabach: Susan Harris was the greatest writer, in my opinion, 472 00:20:34,817 --> 00:20:36,527 of her generation, of that time. 473 00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:38,278 Singularly, so, you know, 474 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,115 all credit to her for coming up with so many iterations 475 00:20:41,157 --> 00:20:42,658 of something so amazing. 476 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:46,286 Mitchell: Do you think there is a woman's voice as a writer? 477 00:20:46,328 --> 00:20:49,373 Woman's voice -- well generally they speak higher, softer. 478 00:20:49,415 --> 00:20:50,541 [ Laughter ] 479 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,293 I should have known not to ask that of a writer. 480 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,504 Yes, of course, there's a woman's voice. 481 00:20:55,546 --> 00:20:58,091 Women have a different perspective. 482 00:20:58,132 --> 00:21:00,218 Women laugh at different things. 483 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,720 So, yes, they're very definitely is a woman's voice. 484 00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:06,599 Oh, do you know how many problems we have solved 485 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,936 over a cheesecake at this kitchen table? 486 00:21:09,977 --> 00:21:11,478 No, Dorothy, exactly how many? 487 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,731 147, Rose! 488 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:15,399 Oh. 489 00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:18,736 Hi, Bryant. It's cutthroat primetime time this fall, 490 00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:20,320 as some 23 new shows compete 491 00:21:20,362 --> 00:21:22,823 in one of the hottest ratings races in years. 492 00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:25,826 Here's one just about everybody predicts will be a big hit. 493 00:21:25,868 --> 00:21:27,745 "Designing Women" on CBS. 494 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:30,330 Four femmes forming an interior decorating business 495 00:21:30,372 --> 00:21:32,250 and giving each other the business. 496 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:34,334 Suzanne, if sex were fast food, 497 00:21:34,376 --> 00:21:38,547 there'd be an arch over your bed. 498 00:21:38,589 --> 00:21:42,342 Corday: Linda Bloodworth-Thomason created one of the funniest, 499 00:21:42,384 --> 00:21:45,345 most unusual shows in "Designing Women." 500 00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:48,057 They were a different group of women 501 00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:51,144 than you really saw on television. 502 00:21:51,185 --> 00:21:53,437 They were feisty, they were sexy, 503 00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:58,567 and Linda's voice came through shining. 504 00:21:58,609 --> 00:22:00,569 A man can get away with anything. 505 00:22:00,611 --> 00:22:03,405 I mean, look at Reagan's neck. It sags down to here. 506 00:22:03,447 --> 00:22:06,200 Everybody raves about how great he looks. 507 00:22:06,242 --> 00:22:08,368 Can you imagine if Nancy had that neck? 508 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:11,371 They'd be putting her in a nursing home for turkeys. 509 00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:17,295 [ Cheers and applause ] 510 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:18,879 They'd given me this 23 minutes 511 00:22:18,921 --> 00:22:21,174 to address whatever topic I want. 512 00:22:21,215 --> 00:22:22,800 And it's such a privilege. 513 00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:24,677 It's more than the President of the United States gets, 514 00:22:24,718 --> 00:22:27,180 and it's kind of thrilling to have that every week. 515 00:22:27,221 --> 00:22:30,390 I would lying if I said I didn't put my opinions in the show. 516 00:22:30,432 --> 00:22:33,227 Excuse me, but you lovely ladies look like you're in need 517 00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:35,395 of a little male companionship here. 518 00:22:35,437 --> 00:22:38,191 Trust me when I tell you that you have completely 519 00:22:38,232 --> 00:22:41,235 mis-assessed the situation at this table. 520 00:22:41,277 --> 00:22:43,654 Man: All right. Moving onto scene B. 521 00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:45,906 English: I am a woman and I am a writer, 522 00:22:45,948 --> 00:22:50,410 but I don't really enjoy being called a woman's writer. 523 00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:52,997 I think labels are harmful to us. 524 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:54,414 Mitchell: With "Murphy Brown," 525 00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:58,252 just about everything about that program felt new. 526 00:22:58,294 --> 00:23:00,629 The civil rights movement and the women's movement 527 00:23:00,671 --> 00:23:04,591 had just begun to sort of be reflected in the programming 528 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:07,427 that you saw on television in the '80s. 529 00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:10,264 Murphy, you know the Dunfries Club is for men only? 530 00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:12,432 And they have great dinners with great guests 531 00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:15,435 and I don't get to go for one reason and one reason only. 532 00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:19,357 And it has to do with something you've got and I don't. 533 00:23:19,439 --> 00:23:24,444 A tiny, pathetic, little Y chromosome. 534 00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:29,950 Stahl: "Murphy Brown" was sea change because she was so popular 535 00:23:29,992 --> 00:23:33,453 and such a strong, independent, tough woman. 536 00:23:33,495 --> 00:23:35,539 No matter what you think of a guest or their views, 537 00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:37,833 you are obligated to ask the questions in a dignified manner. 538 00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:39,835 Jim, she was unprofessional, am I right? 539 00:23:39,877 --> 00:23:41,879 -Well, I, uh... -Do you believe this Jim? 540 00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:44,464 He thinks it's neat that his office chair swivels 541 00:23:44,506 --> 00:23:47,425 and he's calling me unprofessional. 542 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:52,014 [ Jazz music plays ] 543 00:23:54,392 --> 00:23:56,476 Troy: The big thing that changes in the '80s 544 00:23:56,518 --> 00:23:58,478 is the number of hours spent watching television. 545 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,939 [ Whistles ] Goes up. 546 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:01,690 The number of hours spent 547 00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:03,401 talking about television goes up. 548 00:24:03,441 --> 00:24:04,985 One of the symbols of this phenomenon 549 00:24:05,027 --> 00:24:06,653 is "Entertainment Tonight." 550 00:24:06,695 --> 00:24:10,699 Hi, I'm Tom Hallick, and welcome to our opening night -- 551 00:24:10,741 --> 00:24:13,660 the premiere edition of "Entertainment Tonight." 552 00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:16,997 Hart: All of the critics were kind of unanimous 553 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,666 in that they said, "It'll never last 554 00:24:19,708 --> 00:24:22,711 because there simply isn't enough entertainment news 555 00:24:22,753 --> 00:24:24,504 to fill a half-hour every night. 556 00:24:24,546 --> 00:24:26,924 "Entertainment Tonight" has surveyed TV critics 557 00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:28,508 in the United States and Canada 558 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:31,762 to find out which television shows had the most impact 559 00:24:31,804 --> 00:24:33,513 on viewers over the years. 560 00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:37,143 Now, up until this time, nobody had done television like this. 561 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:38,518 Nobody. 562 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,521 Burt Reynolds, the hottest actor in Hollywood. 563 00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:43,316 I'm surprised to see you here. 564 00:24:43,357 --> 00:24:45,109 -Well, I'm glad to see you. -Well, thank you. 565 00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:47,320 We can meet here every night if you'd like. Thank you. I'd love it. 566 00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:48,528 Leach: A lot of what makes 567 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:50,448 successful television programming 568 00:24:50,488 --> 00:24:53,951 is being in the right place at the right time. 569 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:55,453 And it was the right time. 570 00:24:55,493 --> 00:24:58,331 Mitchell: Entertainment journalism evolved 571 00:24:58,372 --> 00:25:01,792 as the audience got more curious and had more access. 572 00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:03,336 Until that point, 573 00:25:03,377 --> 00:25:04,753 the entertainment business had been something 574 00:25:04,795 --> 00:25:07,214 that we didn't know all that much about. 575 00:25:07,256 --> 00:25:10,176 Hart: We could go behind the scenes in our effort 576 00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:12,970 to really give an insider's look. 577 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:15,973 The crafty old J.R. of "Dallas" fame was with his mother, 578 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:19,143 actress Mary Martin as he was presented with a star 579 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:20,560 on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. 580 00:25:20,602 --> 00:25:23,605 It was very honorific of the industry. 581 00:25:23,647 --> 00:25:25,607 They would do serious coverage of it. 582 00:25:25,649 --> 00:25:27,985 It wasn't salacious and you would see actors 583 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:31,489 speaking as actors instead of on a Johnny Carson show. 584 00:25:31,529 --> 00:25:33,157 Man: What are you like off camera? 585 00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:36,452 I'm like this. Oh, this is on camera. This is on camera. 586 00:25:36,494 --> 00:25:40,206 Hanks: It was the beginning of a lot of money being made 587 00:25:40,247 --> 00:25:43,459 talking about entertainment and celebrities. 588 00:25:43,501 --> 00:25:45,585 Robert Redford plays the good guy in the movies, 589 00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:47,505 but don't tell that to his neighbors in Utah. 590 00:25:47,545 --> 00:25:48,588 They are still bitter 591 00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:50,590 and Redford is the target of their ire. 592 00:25:50,632 --> 00:25:52,634 Hart: The audience grew and grew. 593 00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:54,594 And that was showing us that the appetite 594 00:25:54,636 --> 00:25:57,890 for celebrity news was big. It was big. 595 00:25:57,931 --> 00:26:01,477 Leach: Get ready for "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous," 596 00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:05,231 television's most dazzling hour of excitement! 597 00:26:05,272 --> 00:26:07,441 Hi, I'm Robin Leach in Monaco, 598 00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:09,651 the glittering gem of the Riviera. 599 00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:14,823 And you've got a VIP ticket to Prince Rainier's private party. 600 00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:17,826 Your Sunday newspaper is still delivered 601 00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:19,828 with the comics around the news. 602 00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:23,249 And that was what I always thought "Lifestyles" was. 603 00:26:23,290 --> 00:26:24,917 We were the comic around the news. 604 00:26:24,958 --> 00:26:28,795 Except we did it as seriously as they did news. 605 00:26:28,837 --> 00:26:31,631 Finally in the driving seat of his own career, 606 00:26:31,673 --> 00:26:34,260 he burned rubber in a new direction. 607 00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:36,470 David Hasselhoff -- rock idol. 608 00:26:36,512 --> 00:26:40,640 Hart: It was a time where pushing the limits with wealth 609 00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:44,853 and ostentatiousness in a lot of cases was very comfortable. 610 00:26:44,895 --> 00:26:47,689 One of the earliest stories that we presented to you 611 00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:51,235 on "Lifestyles" was about the amazing real-estate wizard 612 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:52,652 Donald Trump. 613 00:26:52,694 --> 00:26:54,654 If he didn't shock and surprise you back then, 614 00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:56,949 he's had plenty of time since. 615 00:26:56,990 --> 00:27:00,494 With all of this costing billions, not millions, 616 00:27:00,536 --> 00:27:02,246 do the figures ever frighten you? 617 00:27:02,288 --> 00:27:03,663 The answer is no. It's my business. 618 00:27:03,705 --> 00:27:05,665 It's my life. It's my lifestyle. 619 00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:08,461 I love it. The good, the bad. 620 00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:11,671 Does this bring with it political aspirations? 621 00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:13,673 No political aspiration. 622 00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:16,718 Brown: Your show has gotten a lot of ridicule. 623 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,264 There are people who say it's nothing more than trash. 624 00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:21,723 That doesn't upset me because I think 625 00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:23,683 it's the best trash there is on television. 626 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:27,146 I am not in the business of brain surgery. 627 00:27:27,187 --> 00:27:29,315 I am in the business of fluff. 628 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:30,774 Connelly: It's the fantasy element 629 00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:33,152 at a time when the access is possible. 630 00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,737 It's escapism and it's aspirational. 631 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:38,282 You want to stand in a hot tub with a glass of champagne? 632 00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:39,741 Rock on! 633 00:27:39,783 --> 00:27:43,703 Leach: We'd never seen that kind of wealth ever before. 634 00:27:43,745 --> 00:27:46,706 We didn't mock it, we didn't say it was right, 635 00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:48,542 and we didn't say it was wrong. 636 00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:51,711 We were just through the keyhole. 637 00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:54,131 Sometimes, you know, it absolutely amazes me. 638 00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:57,926 I walk away from a shoot and I think, "Well, we did it again." 639 00:27:57,968 --> 00:28:00,720 There was more of everything in TV by the '80s. 640 00:28:00,762 --> 00:28:03,765 Your opportunities for watching stuff is increasingly vast. 641 00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:07,144 Announcer: NBC presents "Real People." 642 00:28:07,186 --> 00:28:09,771 My name's Michael B. Wilson. 643 00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:11,773 The thought dawned on me that the application 644 00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:13,733 of a small motor on a pair of roller skates 645 00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:15,569 might really be a great thing. 646 00:28:15,611 --> 00:28:17,737 Barbour: Somebody once said that each one of us 647 00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:19,739 will be a star for 15 minutes. 648 00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:21,741 And I think that that's probably going to happen. 649 00:28:21,783 --> 00:28:23,952 Troy: American culture used to be a culture that celebrated 650 00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:26,997 privacy, and in the 1980s, as we're watching celebrities 651 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,168 sort of play out onstage, "Hey, I want to join, too." 652 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:34,213 All the world becomes a stage and you start seeing shows 653 00:28:34,254 --> 00:28:36,423 like "Real People" or "The People's Court." 654 00:28:36,465 --> 00:28:37,757 Announcer: The People's Court -- 655 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,428 Where reality television is taken one step further. 656 00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:44,764 To see more TV, producers had to come up with 657 00:28:44,806 --> 00:28:48,352 new and different ways to give them television. 658 00:28:48,394 --> 00:28:50,354 Don't. Be. Stupid. 659 00:28:50,396 --> 00:28:52,356 Carl, get over here! 660 00:28:52,398 --> 00:28:55,275 [ Screams ] I told you not to be stupid! 661 00:28:55,317 --> 00:28:57,986 Bianculli: What "Cops" did was it took away the script 662 00:28:58,028 --> 00:29:02,408 and just brought the camera people and the crews on location 663 00:29:02,449 --> 00:29:04,993 to try and catch actual things happening. 664 00:29:05,035 --> 00:29:06,370 Cocaine... 665 00:29:06,412 --> 00:29:08,664 Possession of a stolen firearm no less. 666 00:29:08,706 --> 00:29:10,749 What else are you gonna do? 667 00:29:12,042 --> 00:29:15,629 [ Richard Wagner's "Bridal Chorus" plays ] 668 00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:18,507 -With this ring... -With this ring... 669 00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:21,385 -...I thee wed. -...I thee wed. 670 00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:24,054 -...with my body... -...with my body... 671 00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:26,640 -...I thee bond. -...I thee bond. 672 00:29:26,682 --> 00:29:29,476 Connelly: The biggest television event of the 1980s 673 00:29:29,518 --> 00:29:31,604 is the marriage of Charles and Diana. 674 00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:34,022 It's like the world stops when that happened. 675 00:29:34,064 --> 00:29:36,275 I mean, that was, like, just massive. 676 00:29:36,316 --> 00:29:38,611 Reporter: This was the final act of a spectacle 677 00:29:38,652 --> 00:29:42,197 that may never again be seen in this century, if ever. 678 00:29:42,239 --> 00:29:44,116 Rather: The Archbishop of Canterbury called the wedding 679 00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:46,744 of Prince Charles and Lady Diana Spencer today 680 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:48,203 the stuff of fairy tales. 681 00:29:48,245 --> 00:29:50,748 Chancellor: Good evening. The royal couple at this hour 682 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:52,040 is off on the honeymoon, 683 00:29:52,082 --> 00:29:54,293 while a lot of people here in London tonight 684 00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:56,836 are still talking about the events of the day. 685 00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,423 Troy: When you have great moments like the royal wedding, 686 00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:01,841 they're a part of history and it's done beautifully 687 00:30:01,883 --> 00:30:04,428 and everybody has a chance to watch it all on television. 688 00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:08,265 Everybody just wants to drink a toast to Chuck and Di. 689 00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:11,351 Jennings: A princess who must now be aware as it was 690 00:30:11,393 --> 00:30:14,854 on this day that every single move she makes in public 691 00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:17,023 will be recorded and observed. 692 00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,859 A very difficult life indeed. 693 00:30:19,901 --> 00:30:22,862 We'll be back in just a moment with some closing observations 694 00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:26,742 and one final look at what has justifiably been called 695 00:30:26,784 --> 00:30:28,327 the wedding of the century. 696 00:30:28,368 --> 00:30:31,330 Officiant: By the authority of the state of New York, 697 00:30:31,371 --> 00:30:35,125 I pronounce that they are husband and wife. 698 00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:36,794 You may kiss the bride. 699 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,920 [ Cheers and applause ] 700 00:30:38,962 --> 00:30:42,800 Your wedding was seen by an astonishing number of people -- 701 00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:44,343 16 to 19 million viewers. 702 00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:46,094 How do you account for that kind of popularity? 703 00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:47,763 Oh, I can't. I can't. 704 00:30:47,805 --> 00:30:51,350 The way it's grown, it's just -- it's amazing to me. 705 00:30:51,391 --> 00:30:54,936 Connelly: It did appear in the '80s that it was a good time 706 00:30:54,978 --> 00:30:56,355 for daytime soap operas, 707 00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:58,273 especially for a show like "General Hospital," 708 00:30:58,315 --> 00:31:01,151 which had that huge success with Luke and Laura's wedding. 709 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:04,196 Duffy: I remember when Luke and Laura got married 710 00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:07,115 because it was nighttime newsworthy. 711 00:31:07,157 --> 00:31:11,745 The soap opera discovers the blockbuster mentality, 712 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:13,288 the sweeps month mentality. 713 00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:16,709 Like, what can we do to get even more people watching. 714 00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:19,127 You have a wedding. You have a kidnapping. 715 00:31:19,169 --> 00:31:20,713 You have an evil twin. 716 00:31:20,754 --> 00:31:23,215 And primetime stole from daytime. 717 00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:26,176 Reporter: After "Dallas" proved that Ewing Oil was better 718 00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:28,094 than real oil for CBS, 719 00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:30,222 the networks rushed to give the public more. 720 00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:33,392 Troy: The great prime-time soap operas of the 1980s. 721 00:31:33,433 --> 00:31:36,936 "Dallas," "Dynasty --" they're all about excess. 722 00:31:36,978 --> 00:31:38,980 This is about being over the top, 723 00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:40,607 stabbing each other in the back, 724 00:31:40,649 --> 00:31:43,610 going for the gusto, and having fun. 725 00:31:43,652 --> 00:31:47,573 I know what's wrong with you. The empty armed Madonna. 726 00:31:47,614 --> 00:31:50,116 Mourning the baby that she couldn't have 727 00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:53,328 and the baby that she almost got to adopt. 728 00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:55,205 That is it, isn't it? 729 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:58,458 Oh, you miserable bitch! 730 00:32:02,838 --> 00:32:04,964 Yost: There was a bigness to the stories. 731 00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:06,633 And that they could afford to do on a network, 732 00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:08,260 if you're doing one episode a week. 733 00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:10,262 Now you can't do that if you're doing five episodes 734 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:12,138 a week for a daytime show. 735 00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:15,809 So just the production value gave it that pizzazz. 736 00:32:15,851 --> 00:32:19,396 Reporter: If you can't have it, watch other people with it. 737 00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:22,023 Or so say the three networks who are programming 738 00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:24,359 nearly 40% of their primetime fare 739 00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:26,069 with series about the very rich. 740 00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:28,781 And the public is devouring it at such a rate 741 00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:31,909 that make believe money has become ratings gold. 742 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,159 [ Screams ] 743 00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:34,994 Hart: The characters were larger than life. 744 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:39,040 They were more evil and more cunning and manipulative. 745 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,668 And more gorgeous. I mean, really. 746 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,837 Look at the way they were dressed. 747 00:32:43,879 --> 00:32:47,048 Look at the way they lived. Everything, it was fascinating. 748 00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:48,383 -Alexis? -Yes. 749 00:32:48,425 --> 00:32:50,886 I didn't thank you for your present. 750 00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:54,013 [ Gasps ] 751 00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:57,684 [ Sighs ] 752 00:32:57,726 --> 00:33:01,271 It's he you should slap, dear, not I. 753 00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:03,273 Brown: We all wanted to live like, you know, 754 00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:05,275 we were on "Dynasty," like the Carringtons. 755 00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:08,278 And it all just ended up being a wonderful picture 756 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,030 of fun and debauchery. 757 00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:13,867 Yost: Greed was encouraged in the '80s. 758 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:18,246 There was a sense of conspicuous consumption as being okay. 759 00:33:18,288 --> 00:33:19,957 And those shows kind of exploited that. 760 00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:22,334 Mann: Prime-time families like the Carringtons 761 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:25,295 who live here in luxury on the "Dynasty" sound stage 762 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:28,047 are not the only rich folk on TV. 763 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:29,842 In the last five years, 764 00:33:29,883 --> 00:33:32,552 more than half of all new shows have featured the wealthy. 765 00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:35,096 10 years ago, that figure was zero. 766 00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:38,183 There was an accident. Your father's dead. 767 00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:41,728 Connelly: "Falcon Crest" was a wine family. 768 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:42,938 There's Lorenzo Lamas 769 00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:45,148 and there's Ronald Reagan's first wife, 770 00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,943 Jane Wyman is on that show. 771 00:33:47,985 --> 00:33:49,569 Emma is pregnant. 772 00:33:50,988 --> 00:33:52,990 I know a doctor who can take care of it right away. 773 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,741 That will never happen. 774 00:33:54,783 --> 00:33:58,077 All of those shows were, "Oh, my God, what's next? 775 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,956 What's gonna happen with that? He can't get away with that." 776 00:34:00,998 --> 00:34:02,749 And then you tune in. It was appointment television. 777 00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:05,084 Announcer: What will become of the missing twins 778 00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:07,253 on "Knots Landing?" What? 779 00:34:07,295 --> 00:34:09,130 Connelly: They all had spin-offs. 780 00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:11,090 "Dallas" had the spin-off "Knots Landing." 781 00:34:11,132 --> 00:34:13,677 "The Colbys" was the spin-off for "Dynasty." 782 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,137 They were seeing how much they could max this stuff out. 783 00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:17,890 'Cause it was really successful. 784 00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:19,725 Where's your son Miles? 785 00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:21,560 Isn't he going to be a part of this venture, 786 00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:24,103 or is he just playing polo as usual? 787 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,564 [ Laughter ] 788 00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:27,691 The Colbys can always find room for another trophy. 789 00:34:27,733 --> 00:34:28,901 [ Laughter ] 790 00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:31,403 Corday: You had these people fighting over oil 791 00:34:31,444 --> 00:34:35,949 and mansions, and it was fantasy, 792 00:34:35,991 --> 00:34:41,997 but in a kind of so-over-the-top way that it was fun. 793 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,792 There's nothing devious about using your femininity. 794 00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:48,127 Bianculli: These shows took themselves 795 00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:51,381 so unseriously that they were camp. 796 00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:54,133 But that was okay with the central audience 797 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:55,343 that was loving them. 798 00:34:55,385 --> 00:34:56,636 Duffy: It was entertainment. 799 00:34:56,678 --> 00:34:58,179 We weren't trying to do high drama. 800 00:34:58,221 --> 00:35:00,139 We were there to entertain. We were glossy. 801 00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:01,934 There was no getting around it. 802 00:35:01,975 --> 00:35:04,436 We knew what we were there for and we did it as best we could. 803 00:35:05,854 --> 00:35:08,147 Gumbel: Australia's most important export 804 00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:11,443 may be neither its animals nor its beer nor its films. 805 00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:13,361 Could in fact be one Rupert Murdoch. 806 00:35:13,403 --> 00:35:16,155 55-year-old Mr. Murdoch is in the midst of building 807 00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:19,785 what Forbes magazine says is the most extensive media empire 808 00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,036 in history. 809 00:35:21,078 --> 00:35:23,162 Heilemann: A huge development in television. 810 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,040 The gemini of the three broadcast networks 811 00:35:25,082 --> 00:35:27,166 was presumed to be complete and Rupert Murdoch 812 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:29,836 having disrupted the newspaper business in Australia, 813 00:35:29,878 --> 00:35:31,337 the television business in Britain. 814 00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:32,798 He arrives in America and basically says, 815 00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:34,424 "I don't really see why there should only be 816 00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,217 three broadcast networks. I'm gonna make another one." 817 00:35:36,259 --> 00:35:38,177 This was a big, bold bet. 818 00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:39,763 Jensen: Meantime, he will have to become 819 00:35:39,805 --> 00:35:43,182 an American citizen if he is to own TV stations here. 820 00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:45,685 Something Murdoch says he is willing to do. 821 00:35:45,727 --> 00:35:47,437 Gumbel: There are some people who are saying 822 00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:51,357 that it'll take you 20 years to get your Fox network 823 00:35:51,399 --> 00:35:53,192 on a par with the big three. 824 00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:54,569 Are you prepared to wait that long? 825 00:35:54,611 --> 00:35:56,655 Sure, I certainly intend to live that long. 826 00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:59,198 But I don't believe in the 20 years. 827 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,200 Auletta: The reaction to Murdoch's idea 828 00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:04,370 for a fourth network was similar to the reaction at Ted Turner 829 00:36:04,412 --> 00:36:06,456 starting CNN -- it's ridiculous, you know. 830 00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:08,834 What does he know about television? 831 00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,419 We don't think of ourselves as ABC, CBS, or NBC. 832 00:36:11,461 --> 00:36:13,005 We don't have to reach everyone. 833 00:36:13,046 --> 00:36:15,214 There's no question we have an inferior lineup 834 00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:16,466 of stations to our counterparts. 835 00:36:16,508 --> 00:36:18,217 That means we'll all have to work harder 836 00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,804 to get our message across and get shows sampled. 837 00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:24,141 Auletta: They had an idea that, "In order to succeed 838 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:26,309 we have to differentiate ourselves from the networks. 839 00:36:26,351 --> 00:36:28,603 We have to do things they would not do." 840 00:36:28,645 --> 00:36:31,230 Fox started throwing anything against the wall, 841 00:36:31,272 --> 00:36:32,649 not knowing what was gonna go. 842 00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:36,235 First shows were things like "21 Jump Street"... 843 00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:38,237 What exactly are we looking for here? 844 00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:40,032 ...Joan Rivers in terms of late night... 845 00:36:40,073 --> 00:36:43,118 We have been banned in Boston, which I think is wonderful. 846 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,705 WXNE, so pick a finger WXNE. 847 00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:48,832 Bianculli: ...and "The Tracey Ullman Show." 848 00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:51,626 Oh, Polly! 849 00:36:51,668 --> 00:36:54,046 Levine: It was a sketch show, 850 00:36:54,087 --> 00:36:59,051 and they needed something to go between the sketches. 851 00:36:59,092 --> 00:37:00,719 And again, they were looking for something different. 852 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,721 I gotta have those candy bars. 853 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:05,765 You better not be thinking of stealing those candy bars. 854 00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:06,975 That's it! 855 00:37:07,017 --> 00:37:10,478 "The Simpsons" would never have come along 856 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,439 had it not been for "The Tracey Ullman Show." 857 00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:16,359 Ultimately, crime hurts the criminal. 858 00:37:16,401 --> 00:37:19,863 But that's not true Mom. I got a free ride home didn't I? 859 00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:21,114 Bart! 860 00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:22,448 Levine: Fox was thrilled 861 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:24,283 that it was different. 862 00:37:24,325 --> 00:37:25,577 They said, "Sure. 863 00:37:25,618 --> 00:37:26,995 Be experimental. Do whatever you want." 864 00:37:27,037 --> 00:37:29,164 We're just happy to have a show on the air. 865 00:37:29,206 --> 00:37:32,291 [ Laughter ] I'm home! 866 00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:34,127 Bianculli: "Married With Children" 867 00:37:34,169 --> 00:37:36,088 was their first big, big hit 868 00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:38,965 in that way that said if all the rest of television 869 00:37:39,007 --> 00:37:41,801 is going this way, we're going that way. 870 00:37:41,843 --> 00:37:45,304 Bud, Kelly, you want to come down and help me in the kitchen? 871 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:46,723 [ Doors slam ] 872 00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:49,308 [ Chuckles ] 873 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:53,188 There, that should buy us about 10 minutes. 874 00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:56,691 7 more than we'll need. [ Chuckles ] 875 00:37:56,733 --> 00:37:58,693 Mandabach: The title of "Married With Children" 876 00:37:58,735 --> 00:38:00,946 on the script was "Not The Cosby Show." 877 00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:03,531 How great. I mean, you know, you have to love that. 878 00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:06,409 They just were taking the piss out of American families. 879 00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:08,120 Fun, great fun. 880 00:38:08,161 --> 00:38:09,328 Hurry up Bud. 881 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:10,789 Never wanted to get married, I'm married. 882 00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:12,331 Never wanted to have kids, I got two of them. 883 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:13,708 How the hell did this happen? 884 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,711 The Bundys were almost like a purposeful reaction 885 00:38:16,753 --> 00:38:19,256 to the perfection of the Huxtables. 886 00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:20,506 And it was funny because, you know, 887 00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:22,550 you had this wonderful, perfect black family 888 00:38:22,592 --> 00:38:24,552 and these horrible, miserable white people. 889 00:38:24,594 --> 00:38:26,221 And each show worked on its own terms 890 00:38:26,263 --> 00:38:28,932 because you could find things to relate to in both. 891 00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:30,349 Howdy neighbor. 892 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:32,351 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate these people. 893 00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:34,020 Why don't we sit down? 894 00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:37,149 There was a lot of fun to be had in, you know, Al and Peg Bundy. 895 00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:40,735 Bianculli: After Fox introduces "Married With Children," 896 00:38:40,777 --> 00:38:43,738 it does very, very well, then back on ABC, 897 00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,866 they came up with another major hit, "Roseanne." 898 00:38:46,908 --> 00:38:48,534 You think this is a magic kingdom 899 00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:51,370 where you just sit up here on your throne. Oh yeah? 900 00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:53,248 Yeah, and you think everything gets done 901 00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:54,540 by some wonderful wizard. 902 00:38:54,582 --> 00:38:56,459 Oh, poof, the laundry's folded. 903 00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:58,003 Poof, dinner's on the table. 904 00:38:58,044 --> 00:39:00,463 You want me to fix dinner? I'll fix dinner. 905 00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:02,090 I'm fixing dinner! 906 00:39:02,132 --> 00:39:06,469 Oh, but, honey, you just fixed dinner three years ago. 907 00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:08,387 Bianculli: Typical American families 908 00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:10,682 weren't on television for the longest time. 909 00:39:10,723 --> 00:39:13,018 The Donna Reed days, you know, the early days, 910 00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:16,188 the "Father Knows Best," hardly anybody really lived like that. 911 00:39:16,229 --> 00:39:18,982 That was the way advertisers wanted you to live. 912 00:39:19,024 --> 00:39:21,067 I know what just might make you feel better. 913 00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:23,320 Me too, but I bet it's a different list 914 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:24,570 than what you got. 915 00:39:24,612 --> 00:39:27,240 The ideal situation is if you can subvert 916 00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:30,409 whatever common stuff is said about families 917 00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:31,410 and about parenting. 918 00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:33,579 What's in this, lead? 919 00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:37,042 Oh, I got you kids new leg irons. 920 00:39:37,083 --> 00:39:40,337 Her loudness and her unfilteredness 921 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,047 were key to why we liked her. 922 00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:44,090 She was saying stuff about working class people, 923 00:39:44,132 --> 00:39:46,425 she was saying stuff about men and women. 924 00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:49,221 So it was about marriage and about raising kids 925 00:39:49,262 --> 00:39:50,722 and about how hard it is. 926 00:39:50,763 --> 00:39:53,432 Oh, great, I'm just gonna look like a freak, that's all. 927 00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:55,852 -What else is new? -Shut up! 928 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,897 This is why some animals eat their young. 929 00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:03,484 TV in the '80s was a big decade for the evolution of comedy, 930 00:40:03,526 --> 00:40:05,444 for the evolution of drama. 931 00:40:05,486 --> 00:40:07,155 It just pushed everything forward. 932 00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:09,074 Shriver: Do you think perhaps this generation 933 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,659 are paying more attention to the dialogue, 934 00:40:11,701 --> 00:40:14,453 to the relationships that they see on television 935 00:40:14,495 --> 00:40:16,039 than in years previous? 936 00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:19,458 Well, clearly the people that are watching our shows are. 937 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:20,835 And "Thirtysomething" 938 00:40:20,877 --> 00:40:24,505 and "Cheers" and "St. Elsewhere." 939 00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:26,841 These are shows that are smartly written. 940 00:40:26,883 --> 00:40:29,468 It's their words that define them. 941 00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:31,263 And I think that's what people like. 942 00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:33,472 I love you guys. 943 00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:36,351 That decade spawned an extraordinary number 944 00:40:36,393 --> 00:40:40,772 of shows that really carved out a unique niche for themselves. 945 00:40:40,813 --> 00:40:44,317 We began to turn television into an art form. 946 00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:48,196 And for the first time, people were proud to say, 947 00:40:48,238 --> 00:40:49,906 "I write for television." 948 00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:53,701 Yost: Up until that point, television was second class. 949 00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:56,495 In the '80s, it was something else entirely 950 00:40:56,537 --> 00:40:59,665 and it was new and it was kind of interesting. 951 00:40:59,707 --> 00:41:01,584 Connelly: It's like everyone in the '80s 952 00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:03,502 starts to want to tell their stories. 953 00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,880 That's what really changes things. 954 00:41:05,922 --> 00:41:08,674 Shales: The unexpected was more welcome in the '80s. 955 00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,510 Predictability lost its cache. 956 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:15,890 Television has an impact on every era, every decade. 957 00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:18,517 Gumbel: Television still shapes the thinking of America like 958 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,186 no other element in our country. 959 00:41:20,228 --> 00:41:23,522 Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. 960 00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:27,526 Duffy: It gave rise to people pursuing artistic content 961 00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:29,779 in a way that I think has raised the bar 962 00:41:29,821 --> 00:41:33,199 in television production exponentially. 963 00:41:33,241 --> 00:41:35,827 Bianculli: There's a shift in the '80s from just wanting 964 00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:38,913 to placate the audience to wanting to please 965 00:41:38,955 --> 00:41:40,539 and challenge the audience. 966 00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:42,250 And that's the decade when it happened. 967 00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:45,337 We had one hell of a run. Didn't we partner? 968 00:41:45,378 --> 00:41:47,172 Yeah. We sure did, sonny. 969 00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:49,048 I'm gonna miss you man. 970 00:41:49,090 --> 00:41:52,010 I'm gonna miss you, too, sonny. 971 00:41:52,051 --> 00:41:56,555 Can I give you a ride to the airport? 972 00:41:56,597 --> 00:41:57,556 Why not? 973 00:41:57,598 --> 00:42:01,602 ♪♪ 78210

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