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For the past few years
Ricky Gervais,
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Stephen Merchant,
and Karl Pilkington
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Have been meeting
regularly
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For a series
of pointless conversations.
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This is one of them.
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- Testing.
- Is that all right?
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Hello and welcome
to "The Ricky Gervais show"
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With me, Ricky Gervais,
Stephen Merchant...
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- Hello.
- ...And the little round-headed buffoon
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That is Karl Pilkington.
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Hi.
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Okay, then listen, right.
I'm gonna--
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I've found some things that
I think will interest you,
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And I want your first
thoughts on these, okay?
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Now these are facts
that I've sourced, okay?
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What's the actual topic?
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Well, you love animals,
don't you?
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- You're interested
in animal facts. - Some of them.
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I don't love 'em.
Some of them fascinate me and stuff.
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But a lot of them
also get on my nerves.
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I don't know how an animal
can get on your nerves.
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- They just do.
- Okay then, here you go.
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There's a frog, Karl,
just a little frog,
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A poison arrow frog,
that contains enough poison
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To kill over 1,000
human beings.
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Why is it that annoyed?
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It's not annoyed.
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Why's it going about
killing 1,000 people?
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No, it has the potential to.
It has enough poison,
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It has enough toxin in it
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That could kill
1,000 human beings.
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But does it need that?
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Whereabouts is this?
Where's it living?
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The rainforest, I think.
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And does it need
that sort of power?
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Is it in that much--
is it getting threatened a lot is what I mean?
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Well, no 'cause it's saying,
"don't come near me."
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And it shows it
with its colors.
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It's got the colors that say
it doesn't want to be eaten.
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It doesn't want people
to chew a bit, right?
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And go,
"oh, I'm an idiot."
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It's saying,
"look at my colors. Don't eat me.
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Don't-- you don't want
to come near me."
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Karl:
Then why give it bright colors?
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'cause now
it's standing out.
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Ricky:
Yeah, and it's going, "don't eat me."
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Yeah, but make it
a color that fits in like camouflage.
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Why make it orange?
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Course it's gonna stand out.
Then they'll attack it.
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Then it'll turn around
and bite 4,000 men or whatever.
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No, it doesn't bite.
It's the fact that if you were to eat it
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You would die.
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Yeah, but who's
gonna eat it?
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Well, things
that eat frogs.
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The french.
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And they go,
"sacre bleu,
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You have killed me
and 999 of my friends."
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But why--
why is everything,
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Like, surviving
like this though?
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I thought it was all about
survival of the fittest.
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Not the one who
looks the hardest.
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Well, but survival
of the fittest
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Is whether you're chosen
or not by nature.
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No, but I'd survive
if I could go about killing 1,000 men at one bite.
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- It's not fair.
- Ricky: It doesn't bite.
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Whatever.
If it licks you or whatever.
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No, not if it licks you.
If you lick it.
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Well, I'm not gonna lick it.
It's not gonna happen.
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I will not
be licking a frog.
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So it's of
no danger to me.
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So I could still kill it
and there's no chance--
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At no point am I gonna
lick a little frog's head,
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Not when it's alive
or when it's dead.
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I love the fact
it's all about you.
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It's all about
how it relates to you.
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And he's annoyed that
they're getting away with something.
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He doesn't like
any sly animals.
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He doesn't like animals
hiding, then he wants them to hide.
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He doesn't want animals
killing things, then he wants them to kill things.
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He doesn't know
what he wants.
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When they say survival of
the fittest they don't mean
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That say lions have
been working out in a gym.
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- Do you understand?
- It means the fittest gene pool.
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And the fittest gene pool
is a gene pool
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That's still around.
That's all it is.
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You think that everything,
slugs, cats,
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Are all somehow--
their ambition is to be like us.
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Or to have the kind
of attributes like us
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That they can speak,
they can talk, they can think, they can act.
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I only think that
because when you see people with these pets--
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Lizards, cats, whatever--
they treat them like they're humans.
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So I think if you do that
enough times,
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They're gonna start getting
familiar with certain--
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Again, "planet of the apes."
he's thinking of "planet of the apes."
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Say like you with your cat,
the way you talk to it.
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You give it a little
cheeky massage and that when it's stressed out.
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- It's a cat.
- No, you made that up that it was stressed out.
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I'm just playing
with my cat, right?
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If anything, the cat
is to destress me.
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So you're talking
to your cat, rick?
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Is it answering back?
How are the conversations going with your cat?
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I have more intelligent
conversations with my cat than I do with him.
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Here's one, right?
When my gram died, right,
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She had this
rubbish dog, right?
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And that's all we got left.
It's called fluffy.
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And, like, my gram
looked after it
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In a way that it was
treated like a human.
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Do you know what I mean?
Had a little coat on when it went out and all that.
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Anyway, so she died.
We get left it.
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My dad's like,
"oh bloody hell," right?
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Before you know it,
it was a wreck because we--
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We weren't sort of bathing
it the way she bathed it.
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We let it out if it
wanted to go out.
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It got covered in oil.
It used to go under the car and everything.
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It went from looking
like this fluffy, you know, poodle
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To just being
a bit of a wreck.
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It got hit by a car.
It run sideways like a crab and all that.
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�n the course of
how long? A month?
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Probably about two--
two months or something.
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Now-- so it went from
being overtreated
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To just being treated
like a dog.
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Yeah, but a dog
isn't, you know,
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Is not an indigenous
species anywhere.
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We sort of bred those
from, you know, jackals and wolves.
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Change it.
Take away the dog thing.
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- I mean that lizard
thing you've got. - Salamander.
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It's still sort of treated
as part of the family.
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It's not.
How is it treated as part of the family?
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Just the way
it's looked after.
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That big area that
it's got to itself.
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We stick it in a case
and feed it a cricket now and again.
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- How is that like
one of the family? - It doesn't matter.
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It is in Karl's family.
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It's in your flat, isn't it?
And it's sat in that corner.
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- I just mean
as time goes on... - Yeah?
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...Things get educated
as they get older.
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- How old's that lizard?
- You don't.
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- How old is it?
- About 15 years old.
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Right, now it knows more now
than it did when you got it
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Because it's been
in those surroundings. It's had its eye on things.
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15, so presumably it listens
to a lot of linkin park,
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Goes on
the internet a lot.
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No, but do you
know what I mean?
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You've already
proved your point.
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It's like that fellow
who kept hitting the dog on the head with the stick.
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Right, pavlov.
At no point did he hit a dog on the head with a stick.
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But he kept doing it
and eventually the dog went, "I'm sick of this,"
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- And wandered off,
didn't he? Brilliant.
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Do you know what?
Let's do a program where you rewrite,
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You paraphrase
someone's theory.
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So pavlov's first.
We could do freud.
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Give us-- what do you know
about sigmund freud?
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The father of psychoanalysis.
Right, come on then.
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I don't know
anything on him.
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Here's an interesting fact.
If the frog annoyed you, this might annoy you.
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A blind chameleon
will still change color
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To match its surroundings.
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You're aware that
the chameleon can--
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- Yeah, whatever
it sits on. - Yeah.
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But then what happens
when you put one of them on a mirror?
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No, does it get
stressed out?
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What's it copying?
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Well, it probably doesn't
need to copy anything
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'cause it looks at itself
and it goes, "is that what you look like? It's brilliant.
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God that was fast.
That's the fastest I've ever done that. That is brilliant."
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So they can go any color?
There's nothing--
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You can put them on anything
and they'll go to the thing?
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I don't want you
to have a chameleon
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Because you'd just be
trying to see what it could and couldn't do.
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- Trying to catch out.
- I know, yeah.
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Pop it on some tartan.
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Again, say like
the frog thing, right?
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Pop it on the telly.
Couldn't do it fast enough.
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Why does the chameleon
need that skill
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Of copying a color?
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Because at the
end of the day,
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That's mainly sticking
in the woods, isn't it?
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- By trees, by grass.
- Ricky: Right.
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Why can't it
just stay green?
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That's all it needs.
Those color changes
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Are only for camouflage,
aren't they?
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I don't know.
Some of them are for attraction.
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Some of them
to show moods, anger.
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No, I just think we're
encouraging them.
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You see, maybe this is
evolution or whatever.
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But at the end of the day,
'cause they can change color,
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They're wandering out
of their area.
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They can be wandering about,
you know, through a car park
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And everything
just because they'll go,
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"well, I don't want
to get seen," change to the color of concrete.
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Or into the color
of a fiat punto.
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But they should
just stay green.
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Staz green, stay in the woods
and stay safe.
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I love this public
information for chameleons.
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- Words of advice
for chameleons. - Oh, god.
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Stay green, stay in the woods,
stay safe. Good night.
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Oh god.
Um, right.
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The only time a turkey
whistles is when it panics.
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- Christmas time then?
- Yeah.
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What do you
think of that, Karl?
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It goes from one extreme
to another, don't it?
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You got a frog
who's going mental...
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- It's not going mental.
- ...Killing thousands of people.
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- No.
- That's got that sort of power.
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Then you got a turkey
who's whistling for help.
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You think that you
should redress the balance a little bit.
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You want to give--
what would you do?
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Give the frog the ability to
kill 500 and the turkey 500?
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I don't think it should
be killing-- I reckon 10.
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- 10 because...
- You've made your point with 10, haven't you?
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Do you think that he's got
1,000 in his lifetime?
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Like he's got
1,000 to kill?
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- I don't think you understand.
- I just think--
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He doesn't really kill
1,000 people.
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It doesn't mean
someone goes,
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"frog, you have the power
to kill 1,000 people in your lifetime."
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"choose them wisely."
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But I just think if it
needs that sort of power--
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- Power?
- It should be fighting evil?
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It's knocking about
the wrong area, isn't it?
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If it's under
that much danger, move.
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I was thinking
the other day about,
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You know, your body
and everything.
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'cause it is amazing,
isn't it, how it works?
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- Oh yeah yeah.
- Does the brain...
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Control you or are you
controlling the brain?
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I don't know if
I'm in charge of mine.
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- nor do I, Karl.
- There's a surprise.
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- Nor do I, Karl.
- Do you know what I mean though by that?
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Does the brain control you
or do you control the brain?
231
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Don't you ever sort
of think sometimes-- say if you're making--
232
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- But you are the brain.
- No no, but I was making a shopping list,
233
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Going, "right, I need
some rice, kidney beans."
234
00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,395
And I thought
I had everything
235
00:10:32,429 --> 00:10:34,597
And I sort of was
rolling up the paper.
236
00:10:34,631 --> 00:10:38,299
Then something went,
"oh, an onion."
237
00:10:38,334 --> 00:10:40,802
- Your brain did that.
- Something went, "an onion." was it suzanne?
238
00:10:40,836 --> 00:10:42,904
My brain sort of went,
"you forgot something."
239
00:10:42,938 --> 00:10:45,473
- Yeah?
- I didn't think I'd forgot.
240
00:10:45,508 --> 00:10:47,208
No, you are your brain.
241
00:10:47,243 --> 00:10:49,277
No no, but don't you
understand the brain--
242
00:10:49,311 --> 00:10:53,148
My brain--
I was in control of my brain
243
00:10:53,182 --> 00:10:56,117
When I was writing down
"rice and kidney beans."
244
00:10:56,152 --> 00:10:57,786
But you're not in charge
of the onion?
245
00:10:57,820 --> 00:11:00,555
That's another part of the brain
that's in charge of the onion.
246
00:11:00,589 --> 00:11:02,524
No, but I had
put the paper away,
247
00:11:02,558 --> 00:11:03,992
Put my coat on,
ready to go.
248
00:11:04,026 --> 00:11:07,094
Yes, but your onion
lobe kicked in.
249
00:11:07,128 --> 00:11:09,496
So you put the paper
in your pocket, you got the coat on.
250
00:11:09,531 --> 00:11:12,032
Then you just suddenly
hear from nowhere, onion?
251
00:11:12,067 --> 00:11:14,234
Yeah, I'm not even thinking
about that shopping list.
252
00:11:14,269 --> 00:11:17,037
It's in my pocket.
I'm thinking, "do I need my gloves? It's cold out."
253
00:11:17,072 --> 00:11:19,106
Suddenly, onion.
254
00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:22,309
It was like, "oh yeah, onion."
I had to get the paper out.
255
00:11:22,343 --> 00:11:25,846
So what I'm saying is
who's in charge?
256
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The brain.
The brain, the mind.
257
00:11:27,482 --> 00:11:29,917
The brain is the--
what do you mean, "who's in charge?"
258
00:11:29,951 --> 00:11:32,419
You forgot the onion
and then you remembered the onion.
259
00:11:32,454 --> 00:11:34,354
You must have forgotten
things in the past.
260
00:11:34,389 --> 00:11:35,988
No, but not like that.
261
00:11:36,023 --> 00:11:38,291
Not where it
just made me think,
262
00:11:38,325 --> 00:11:40,526
"that was weird.
Who reminded me of that?"
263
00:11:40,561 --> 00:11:42,128
You did.
264
00:11:42,162 --> 00:11:44,897
- Yeah, but I'm not--
- no, you are your brain.
265
00:11:44,932 --> 00:11:47,300
It's not like there's you
then there's a brain.
266
00:11:47,334 --> 00:11:50,069
Then there's an extra one
looking down--
267
00:11:50,104 --> 00:11:52,772
The metabrain,
the thing above it.
268
00:11:52,806 --> 00:11:55,775
No, but your brain--
269
00:11:55,809 --> 00:11:59,579
How does your brain work?
You give it information, don't you?
270
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- Well, it takes--
- what do you mean, you give it information?
271
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If I sat in a room
with nothing,
272
00:12:05,751 --> 00:12:08,220
Not feeding it anything,
it wouldn't know anything.
273
00:12:08,254 --> 00:12:11,156
No, but there's two youse.
There's this thing--
274
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There's Karl
and Karl's brain.
275
00:12:13,292 --> 00:12:16,061
Yeah, there's not
a duality in this.
276
00:12:16,095 --> 00:12:19,965
If you go, "come on.
Come on now, think."
277
00:12:19,999 --> 00:12:22,267
That's the brain
saying that to itself.
278
00:12:22,301 --> 00:12:24,536
It's not-- there's not
two people in there
279
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Having an argument
going, "come on, brain."
280
00:12:26,973 --> 00:12:29,875
And the brain's going,
"oh, don't you start. I was thinking then."
281
00:12:29,909 --> 00:12:32,711
And the other thing's
going, "brain, onion."
282
00:12:32,745 --> 00:12:34,745
And the brain goes,
"Karl, onion."
283
00:12:34,779 --> 00:12:38,449
You are your brain.
If you are anything,
284
00:12:38,483 --> 00:12:40,451
You are-- you are your mind,
your brain,
285
00:12:40,485 --> 00:12:42,520
Your collection of memories,
your personality.
286
00:12:42,554 --> 00:12:44,755
You're not what
you look like.
287
00:12:44,789 --> 00:12:46,924
That answer
your question, Karl?
288
00:12:46,958 --> 00:12:49,059
What did you think about then?
You were thinking of a tortoise
289
00:12:49,094 --> 00:12:51,462
On a skateboard then
when I said that last sentence, weren't you?
290
00:12:55,634 --> 00:12:57,434
You know, whilst you've
been working and that,
291
00:12:57,469 --> 00:12:59,303
I've been traveling
about a bit.
292
00:12:59,337 --> 00:13:03,473
Went to, um,
dorset, right?
293
00:13:03,507 --> 00:13:05,108
A nice beach there.
294
00:13:05,142 --> 00:13:08,011
And you know those huts
you get-- like a hut on the beach and you--
295
00:13:08,045 --> 00:13:11,114
- Oh, where you get changed?
- But they're better than that.
296
00:13:11,148 --> 00:13:13,149
It's like you can
put a telly in it.
297
00:13:13,184 --> 00:13:15,185
A sofa if you want.
298
00:13:15,219 --> 00:13:17,554
Oh, you don't mean
the victorian changing huts.
299
00:13:17,588 --> 00:13:20,123
Yeah, those sort of things.
It's sort of bigger than that.
300
00:13:20,157 --> 00:13:22,825
- Yeah.
- We're walking down there
301
00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:25,228
And there was a really
sort of big fat family
302
00:13:25,262 --> 00:13:27,263
In one of them.
There was about four of them.
303
00:13:27,298 --> 00:13:30,600
And you could tell that
they'd never had a game of anything.
304
00:13:30,634 --> 00:13:33,902
Do you know what I mean?
Just sitting down there eating ice cream,
305
00:13:33,937 --> 00:13:35,704
Looking at the sea
and what have you.
306
00:13:35,738 --> 00:13:37,606
And the weird thing is,
the little fat kid,
307
00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,343
The youngest one
who must have been, I don't know, about eight,
308
00:13:41,377 --> 00:13:44,446
He was really fat
to the point of you couldn't see his neck.
309
00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,449
- Yeah.
- And he sat at the front of his mom and dad
310
00:13:47,483 --> 00:13:50,586
And his elder sister.
He sat there and he had a frisbee.
311
00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:53,255
And I thought, "look,
they don't wanna play with him and that."
312
00:13:53,289 --> 00:13:56,291
- I mean, that's an active game
to play, isn't it, frisbee? - Yeah.
313
00:13:56,326 --> 00:13:59,995
As we got closer,
he was just using it to eat maltesers out of.
314
00:14:03,999 --> 00:14:07,568
Again, you know, the one
active thing he's got, he's using it to eat out of.
315
00:14:07,603 --> 00:14:09,303
Yeah.
Extraordinary.
316
00:14:09,338 --> 00:14:11,305
And that just sums up
what people are like now
317
00:14:11,340 --> 00:14:13,841
When it comes to keeping
fit and activities.
318
00:14:13,875 --> 00:14:15,776
Oh, that's fantastic.
319
00:14:15,811 --> 00:14:18,512
One thing I've noticed,
'cause I occasionally go to the gym,
320
00:14:18,547 --> 00:14:20,848
And you know those guys
who work out constantly
321
00:14:20,882 --> 00:14:22,850
To give themselves
extraordinary physiques?
322
00:14:22,884 --> 00:14:24,652
Just that, you know,
they're on the weights
323
00:14:24,686 --> 00:14:27,221
And they're really--
you know, I notice in the summer particularly,
324
00:14:27,256 --> 00:14:30,490
- Those guys cannot wait
to get their shirts off. - Yeah.
325
00:14:30,524 --> 00:14:32,158
Everywhere you see,
they're walking around,
326
00:14:32,193 --> 00:14:34,527
If they've got a good torso,
they are walking shirts off.
327
00:14:34,562 --> 00:14:36,129
Even, I think, if you go
to nightclubs--
328
00:14:36,163 --> 00:14:38,198
I notice there's always
one guy who's thinking,
329
00:14:38,232 --> 00:14:40,100
"well, I have put so much
work into this body,
330
00:14:40,134 --> 00:14:43,403
I have got to get my shirt
off on the dance floor." it comes straight off.
331
00:14:43,437 --> 00:14:45,138
A brand new tattoo.
I'm not covering that up.
332
00:14:45,172 --> 00:14:48,308
- Exactly.
- I've paid a lot for it, let's see it.
333
00:14:48,342 --> 00:14:50,210
But that's what we were
saying about bodies.
334
00:14:50,244 --> 00:14:52,145
I can't remember why we
were talking about it.
335
00:14:52,179 --> 00:14:55,015
We've got to a point
in science now that you can change a head.
336
00:14:55,049 --> 00:14:56,983
No, that doesn't make
any sense at all.
337
00:14:57,018 --> 00:15:00,753
It was a program.
It was done in the '50s or '60s
338
00:15:00,787 --> 00:15:03,656
Where they stuck
a monkey's brain on a stick
339
00:15:03,690 --> 00:15:05,591
And had it wired up
and it still worked.
340
00:15:05,625 --> 00:15:07,893
- Right, okay.
- And that was in the '60s.
341
00:15:07,927 --> 00:15:11,697
Right, okay.
To say to change a head makes no sense at all.
342
00:15:11,731 --> 00:15:14,667
Because if you put
a different head
343
00:15:14,701 --> 00:15:16,935
Íon a different body,
you're changing the body.
344
00:15:16,970 --> 00:15:19,438
Yeah, I know.
That's what I'm about to say to you, though.
345
00:15:19,472 --> 00:15:21,173
- What?
- That's what I'm saying.
346
00:15:21,207 --> 00:15:23,442
That I'd be
more confident
347
00:15:23,476 --> 00:15:26,879
If I had
someone else's body
348
00:15:26,913 --> 00:15:28,946
Because if anyone
dissed it I can go,
349
00:15:28,981 --> 00:15:31,149
"I know.
It's bad, isn't it? But it's not mine."
350
00:15:31,183 --> 00:15:34,018
- What are you talking about?
- It's like, say--
351
00:15:34,053 --> 00:15:36,120
As opposed to
someone else's head?
352
00:15:36,155 --> 00:15:39,123
Yeah, but it wasn't me.
The head is me.
353
00:15:39,158 --> 00:15:41,526
Well, of course it is.
That's what I mean. So what do you mean?
354
00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,562
You'd be happier having
someone else's body? What, than your own?
355
00:15:44,596 --> 00:15:47,031
What I mean is,
say if, um...
356
00:15:47,066 --> 00:15:48,533
You're wandering about.
357
00:15:48,567 --> 00:15:52,770
For some reason
there's an incident.
358
00:15:52,805 --> 00:15:56,574
You have to take your
top off and everyone's looking at you.
359
00:15:56,608 --> 00:15:59,509
You're a bit sort of--
you know, you haven't got the muscles.
360
00:15:59,544 --> 00:16:01,712
You haven't got
the six-pack.
361
00:16:01,746 --> 00:16:03,814
- Right.
- Which isn't that nice anyway.
362
00:16:03,848 --> 00:16:07,250
I don't know why that's
become a nice thing really, seeing the insides of you.
363
00:16:07,285 --> 00:16:09,019
- It's not.
- You might as well--
364
00:16:09,053 --> 00:16:11,054
I mean I know I came up
with the see-through skin idea.
365
00:16:11,089 --> 00:16:14,524
But it's
a bit weird, isn't it? You can see stuff.
366
00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:18,261
- No no,t's the muscle
in front of the-- - No, it's not.
367
00:16:18,296 --> 00:16:21,365
- Sometimes you can see tubes.
- No, you can't see tubes.
368
00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:23,734
- You can see tubes and veins.
- Well, you can see veins.
369
00:16:23,768 --> 00:16:26,569
Yeah well, I don't want
to see that. That's why we got skin over it.
370
00:16:26,603 --> 00:16:29,038
Stop looking
at naked men then.
371
00:16:29,072 --> 00:16:30,906
Sometimes you can't help it
'cause it's been hot
372
00:16:30,941 --> 00:16:34,009
And like you said,
there's people walking about with vests on and that.
373
00:16:34,044 --> 00:16:35,778
So anyway,
what I'm saying is,
374
00:16:35,812 --> 00:16:37,313
Say if something
suddenly happened.
375
00:16:37,347 --> 00:16:40,182
- I'm walking about
with my top off. - Right.
376
00:16:40,217 --> 00:16:42,385
Girls are laughing
at me, right?
377
00:16:42,419 --> 00:16:46,021
- Why?
- Don't know. They might.
378
00:16:46,056 --> 00:16:49,658
yeah, go on.
379
00:16:49,693 --> 00:16:52,661
So they wouldn't
look at your body. They'd all look at your head.
380
00:16:52,696 --> 00:16:54,463
- So what I mean is...
- Yeah?
381
00:16:54,498 --> 00:16:56,931
...Rewind that and imagine
all that happens again
382
00:16:56,966 --> 00:17:00,168
- But I've got
someone else's body. - Right.
383
00:17:00,202 --> 00:17:02,904
- Whose body?
- Just some fella who's died.
384
00:17:02,938 --> 00:17:06,474
Lpmy body was injured
and they said, "we've got a new body in.
385
00:17:06,509 --> 00:17:10,044
- You can have it.
We'll stick your head on it." - Yes.
386
00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,213
They're laughing at you.
387
00:17:12,248 --> 00:17:13,948
They're laughing
at the body.
388
00:17:13,983 --> 00:17:16,651
But at least I'd be able
to sort of go,
389
00:17:16,685 --> 00:17:19,053
"I know it's a mess,
but it's not mine."
390
00:17:19,088 --> 00:17:21,723
At least I don't have
to claim ownership.
391
00:17:21,757 --> 00:17:23,958
So all of this
extraordinary technology
392
00:17:23,993 --> 00:17:26,560
That can make a head--
put one head on another person's body
393
00:17:26,594 --> 00:17:28,328
Is so you can go,
"it's not my body."
394
00:17:28,363 --> 00:17:30,731
- No no, that's not your own.
- I'm not being funny.
395
00:17:30,765 --> 00:17:33,500
So if you have a body
transplant, right, and you're there,
396
00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:37,070
You're at home naked,
you look down--
397
00:17:37,105 --> 00:17:38,772
Lovely penis
and a set of testicles.
398
00:17:38,807 --> 00:17:40,541
- Yeah.
- Right?
399
00:17:40,575 --> 00:17:42,209
What do you do with 'em?
400
00:17:42,243 --> 00:17:44,044
What do you mean,
what am I doing with 'em?
401
00:17:44,078 --> 00:17:46,180
Well, do you like them?
402
00:17:46,214 --> 00:17:48,782
Well, you wouldn't
mess about with them
403
00:17:48,817 --> 00:17:50,417
As much as if they
were your own.
404
00:17:57,524 --> 00:17:59,492
But if you did
mess about with 'em,
405
00:17:59,526 --> 00:18:01,594
Would you feel guilty
that you were messing about
406
00:18:01,628 --> 00:18:04,831
With another man's
testicles and penis?
407
00:18:04,865 --> 00:18:08,401
- And it's the full body?
- Yeah.
408
00:18:08,435 --> 00:18:10,770
No, 'cause they're
not my hands either.
409
00:18:16,810 --> 00:18:19,745
You're a genius.
You're a fucking genius.
410
00:18:19,780 --> 00:18:22,415
So what you're doing is
watching someone else wank.
411
00:18:22,449 --> 00:18:24,583
Yeah.
412
00:18:30,223 --> 00:18:32,991
Oh, chimpanzee that.
413
00:18:33,025 --> 00:18:35,594
He's gone and written it
down again.
414
00:18:37,330 --> 00:18:40,699
That's the ever-changing
415
00:18:40,733 --> 00:18:42,434
Jingle for Karl's diary,
416
00:18:42,468 --> 00:18:44,703
Excerpts of which we like
to read each week.
417
00:18:44,737 --> 00:18:46,037
"Walked through
covent garden.
418
00:18:46,072 --> 00:18:48,740
There were five of them
mimes knocking about.
419
00:18:48,774 --> 00:18:51,109
I don't understand why people
take pictures of mimes.
420
00:18:51,143 --> 00:18:53,377
Everyone looks like a mime
in a picture."
421
00:18:53,411 --> 00:18:56,614
That's too true.
That's really true.
422
00:18:56,648 --> 00:18:58,816
If his point
is they're staying still,
423
00:18:58,850 --> 00:19:02,319
If that's their skill,
a picture won't tell that story.
424
00:19:02,354 --> 00:19:05,389
That's-- that's
absolutely true.
425
00:19:05,423 --> 00:19:07,591
"my dad took the cat
to be put down today
426
00:19:07,626 --> 00:19:10,194
'cause it kept
bumping into things since losing its sight.
427
00:19:10,228 --> 00:19:11,962
My mom said she's not
gonna get another one.
428
00:19:11,997 --> 00:19:14,698
She said the parrot
is looking worried as it's seen
429
00:19:14,733 --> 00:19:17,334
The budgie and the cat go
in the space of three months."
430
00:19:17,369 --> 00:19:21,137
You mom said the parrot's
looking worried?
431
00:19:21,171 --> 00:19:23,773
What's the-- what happened
to the cat then?
432
00:19:23,807 --> 00:19:26,509
It gets into
a lot of fights.
433
00:19:26,544 --> 00:19:29,579
It lost one eye.
434
00:19:29,613 --> 00:19:31,481
Then it got into another
fight and lost another.
435
00:19:31,515 --> 00:19:34,250
- Oh no.
- Then it was just walking around mping into stuff.
436
00:19:34,285 --> 00:19:37,820
I mean the vet saw it,
said, "oh, we can do stuff to keep it alive and all that."
437
00:19:37,855 --> 00:19:40,623
But it's a bit out
of order, isn't it, 'cause it costs a fortune.
438
00:19:40,658 --> 00:19:42,225
- They shouldn't tell you.
- But...
439
00:19:42,259 --> 00:19:44,661
Mom and dad can't afford
to have eyes put on it and stuff.
440
00:19:44,695 --> 00:19:46,963
No, you can't have eyes
put on a cat anyway.
441
00:19:46,997 --> 00:19:49,032
But they said,
"oh, we can do something here."
442
00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:51,033
- What?
- "we can have its eyes sorted out."
443
00:19:51,067 --> 00:19:53,435
But what...
444
00:19:53,469 --> 00:19:55,470
I don't think you should
be allowed cats.
445
00:19:55,505 --> 00:19:57,239
- Why?
- Not the Pilkington family.
446
00:19:57,273 --> 00:19:59,041
- Why not?
- They keep dying.
447
00:19:59,075 --> 00:20:01,743
I know, but they have
good lives whilst they're still knocking about.
448
00:20:01,778 --> 00:20:03,545
It's just that we
get through 'em.
449
00:20:07,150 --> 00:20:09,484
It's a good job
you're not gonna have kids.
450
00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:12,120
Oh god almighty.
I can't believe it.
451
00:20:12,155 --> 00:20:15,524
"a mate sent me a story on email
about a bloke in china
452
00:20:15,558 --> 00:20:17,492
Who has this weird illness
453
00:20:17,527 --> 00:20:19,894
That means he can't have
his picture taken."
454
00:20:19,928 --> 00:20:23,831
That's not the weird bit.
455
00:20:23,865 --> 00:20:27,435
"If he tries, his body
doesn't appear in the photo."
456
00:20:27,469 --> 00:20:30,538
- Don't talk shit.
- "He has had group pictures taken
457
00:20:30,572 --> 00:20:32,473
And everyone appeared
apart from him."
458
00:20:32,507 --> 00:20:34,075
Don't talk shit.
That's bollocks.
459
00:20:34,109 --> 00:20:36,277
"The story had a picture
next to it of a family photo
460
00:20:36,311 --> 00:20:39,146
And it said
he was stood at the back, but you couldn't see him."
461
00:20:39,181 --> 00:20:40,848
Right, he wasn't
in the picture.
462
00:20:40,882 --> 00:20:42,750
- He was in the picture.
- No, he wasn't in the picture.
463
00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:44,051
They've done loads of
tests and stuff on him.
464
00:20:44,086 --> 00:20:45,419
They haven't done
loads of tests.
465
00:20:45,454 --> 00:20:46,988
This is bollocks.
There's no way
466
00:20:47,022 --> 00:20:48,588
This is scientifically
possible.
467
00:20:48,623 --> 00:20:50,390
What's his--
yeah, now he's wanted.
468
00:20:50,424 --> 00:20:52,892
Just a white bit of paper
up on the police wall.
469
00:20:52,927 --> 00:20:54,861
"Have you seen this man?"
"What man?"
470
00:20:54,895 --> 00:20:58,264
"If you see him, tell us."
"you're talking shit."
471
00:20:58,299 --> 00:21:00,734
"Suzanne watched the film
'you've got mail' tonight
472
00:21:00,801 --> 00:21:02,402
For about the 14th time.
473
00:21:02,436 --> 00:21:04,404
I don't think you could
properly fancy someone
474
00:21:04,438 --> 00:21:06,439
Without seeing them
unless you're blind."
475
00:21:08,843 --> 00:21:11,378
"I think it's odd when
blind people have affairs."
476
00:21:11,412 --> 00:21:12,912
Why is that odd?
477
00:21:12,947 --> 00:21:17,049
Just because most stuff
is based on looks, isn't it?
478
00:21:17,083 --> 00:21:20,352
So you think once
they've found someone, they're happy with them,
479
00:21:20,387 --> 00:21:23,789
- Stick with them.
- But no, that's not truth.
480
00:21:23,823 --> 00:21:26,525
What do you mean most things
are based on looks?
481
00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:29,762
What I mean is,
when you first meet someone and that--
482
00:21:29,796 --> 00:21:32,398
Well, initially
it's only looks 'cause you don't know them.
483
00:21:32,432 --> 00:21:35,167
- That's what I'm saying.
- But that's a ridiculous thing to say, isn't it?
484
00:21:35,201 --> 00:21:36,835
Well no,
it's just what I think.
485
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:38,904
I'm not saying that that's
like fact or anything.
486
00:21:38,938 --> 00:21:42,041
I'm just thinking if you're
blind, why mess about?
487
00:21:42,075 --> 00:21:44,810
You're still basing on it
if it's only looks
488
00:21:44,844 --> 00:21:48,179
- That people find-- what?
- Yeah, I'm just saying,
489
00:21:48,213 --> 00:21:50,148
So why is a blind person
messing about having an affair?
490
00:21:50,182 --> 00:21:52,250
Because I'm saying
that presumably
491
00:21:52,284 --> 00:21:54,786
That blind person isn't
basing anything on looks.
492
00:21:54,820 --> 00:21:56,754
I just-- all right.
493
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:58,756
I mean it may be that's not--
I mean more like--
494
00:21:58,791 --> 00:22:01,426
Do you want me to cross it out?
Shall I cross it out 'cause it's bollocks?
495
00:22:01,460 --> 00:22:04,095
It's just the same way--
I think I put how, you know,
496
00:22:04,129 --> 00:22:06,898
People, uh-- I read something
in the Sunday paper once
497
00:22:06,932 --> 00:22:09,734
With some bloke who was
going out with some woman.
498
00:22:09,768 --> 00:22:12,537
He ended up going out with
her sister who was a twin.
499
00:22:12,571 --> 00:22:14,706
If you're gonna
have a change, have a change.
500
00:22:17,642 --> 00:22:19,843
"spoke to Ricky
about trips to the moon.
501
00:22:19,877 --> 00:22:22,746
He was up for going
just to see what the world looks like.
502
00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:25,348
I came up with the idea of
a giant mirror on the moon
503
00:22:25,383 --> 00:22:27,350
That would reflect
the world back.
504
00:22:27,385 --> 00:22:30,587
He had a few questions,
but I had the answers."
505
00:22:30,621 --> 00:22:33,023
- Yeah.
- "he changed the subject. I won."
506
00:22:33,057 --> 00:22:35,559
Right. My first question
was how would you get it up there?
507
00:22:35,593 --> 00:22:37,094
He said, "bit by bit."
508
00:22:37,128 --> 00:22:39,162
That would be
a good mirror then, wouldn't it?
509
00:22:39,197 --> 00:22:41,164
I said,
"how big would it be?"
510
00:22:41,199 --> 00:22:42,933
He went, "you'd still need
a telescope."
511
00:22:42,967 --> 00:22:46,068
I said, "how would you
get it on the right side of the moon
512
00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:48,003
Always facing the right?"
he went, "what?"
513
00:22:48,038 --> 00:22:51,540
He went,
"does the moon move then?" I went, "yes."
514
00:22:51,575 --> 00:22:53,876
And if we don't like
the mirror on the moon,
515
00:22:53,910 --> 00:22:55,811
We can always
wallpaper over it.
516
00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:03,152
"it's suzanne's birthday
tomorrow so I've got to get her something.
517
00:23:03,186 --> 00:23:06,021
I sometimes think
it would be best if we didn't celebrate birthdays.
518
00:23:06,056 --> 00:23:09,525
I think people would live
a bit longer if they didn't know how old they were.
519
00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:11,694
Age puts restrictions
on things.
520
00:23:11,728 --> 00:23:15,163
She said something about
wanting one of them posh badges to put on her coat.
521
00:23:15,197 --> 00:23:17,265
I will look for one later."
522
00:23:17,299 --> 00:23:19,501
I love the fact that
around the time
523
00:23:19,535 --> 00:23:22,670
That you've gotta buy suzanne
her birthday present,
524
00:23:22,705 --> 00:23:26,107
You think that birthday
presents are a bad idea.
525
00:23:26,142 --> 00:23:29,477
"Got up early. It's suzanne's birthday.
Gave her the card and present.
526
00:23:29,512 --> 00:23:31,346
She was well happy
with her posh badge.
527
00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:33,515
She wore it to work."
it was quite nice.
528
00:23:33,549 --> 00:23:37,051
Quite nice to hear a moment
where she was actually happy for once in your company.
529
00:23:37,086 --> 00:23:38,887
"They always say when you
get someone a present,
530
00:23:38,921 --> 00:23:41,189
You should buy them something
they wouldn't buy themselves.
531
00:23:41,223 --> 00:23:44,458
Daft rule.
I want something I would buy myself if I had the money.
532
00:23:44,492 --> 00:23:46,860
When I was young,
my auntie nora got me a present
533
00:23:46,895 --> 00:23:50,197
I wouldn't buy myself.
It was a t-shirt with her face on it."
534
00:23:50,247 --> 00:23:54,797
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