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Hello, my name is Detective Gil Carrillo,
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Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department,
assigned to Homicide Bureau.
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The Sheriff's Department
is conducting an investigation…
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on a series of homicides
and sexual assaults
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occurred in Los Angeles County.
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The suspect, who has traveled highways
in what we believe to be stolen vehicles,
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is always wearing gloves
to make his entries.
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The suspect has used
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guns, knives, tire irons,
handcuffs and thumbcuffs,
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as well as his own foot,
to inflict serious…
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Los Angeles City has
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almost all benefits
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and no negatives.
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This was a decade
when the queen visited, the Pope visited.
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We had the Olympics.
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We were proud of the city, proud of LA.
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For the first time in recorded history,
our freeways were relatively clear.
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- It was a huge decade.
- Crime dropped like a rock.
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Our top story,
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record temperatures and fires
scorching the Southland.
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Downtown the mercury
reached 107 degrees this afternoon.
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You have this amazing city,
so many parallel universes.
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LA was a facade.
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From one side,
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it was glamorous celebrities.
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But if you went around to the other side…
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…LA could be a very dark place.
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You could be anybody.
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It also attracted
very, very dangerous people.
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Nobody knows
where this individual may strike next.
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The same man
is suspected in six to eight murders
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and 25 to 30 attacks.
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There's sort of a thin line between
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being paranoid about it
and being aware of it.
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…the so-called Night Stalker
who has terrorized California.
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He struck again.
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People wonder when and where
he'll strike next.
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I'm scared.
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Everybody is scared.
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I am not leaving my door open for my son,
I don't care if he sleeps on the street.
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I don't understand
why somebody can't identify him.
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He has to live somewhere.
Somebody must know.
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He's a weird-looking character.
Somebody has to know him.
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I don't believe that anybody has a choice.
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Your number is there one day.
We're all going to die.
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We just don't know when.
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You start dying the day you were born.
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I was born and raised
in the Catholic Church.
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I believe in God.
I believe in the Holy Spirit.
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I believe there's a devil.
I believe there's an evil force.
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I just say prayers, hopefully to help
give me the wisdom and the knowledge
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to bring this case to a solution.
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All the people on the block
that I lived on,
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were Mexicans.
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There was a gang where I lived.
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We all hung out on the corner
of Dulin and Holbrook.
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They were more important
than school was to me,
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and I didn't realize that until a cop
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told my mom and dad, "Sign for this
young man to get off the street,
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or he'll end up dead or in prison."
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And, so, at age 17,
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my parents signed for me
to go into the Army.
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I was a crew chief
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with 189th Assault
Helicopter Company in Vietnam.
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I saw heavy, heavy combat.
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By the grace of God,
I made it out alive, and…
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as soon as I got out of Armed Forces,
I had three goals in life.
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One was to start dating
my former girlfriend,
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who had dumped me while I was in Vietnam.
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I wanted to see if I could get her back,
then break up with her.
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I wanted revenge,
I wanted to hurt her like she had hurt me.
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But it didn't work out that way.
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He got out of the service in June,
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and we were married by December.
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December 26, 1970.
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That was goal number one.
Goal number two was to go to college.
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Nobody in my family
had ever gone to college,
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and I thought college was
for rich white people.
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So, I enrolled at Rio Hondo College…
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and started going there.
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Two out of three goals I accomplished.
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And the third one was
I wanted to become a cop.
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October 1st, 1971…
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I became a patrol cop
at East LA Sheriff's Station.
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When I was 29 years of age,
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I got an outstanding evaluation.
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Those were hard to come by.
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When I showed it to my mom and dad,
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my dad looked up and said…
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"I'm proud of you, son."
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And he had never
said that to me in my life.
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He always wanted to make his dad proud.
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Proud of him.
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After that,
I watched guys from homicide work.
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They were so meticulous, so good.
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When they pulled up on the scene,
everybody got out of their way.
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"Wow, sheriff's homicide's here."
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I told them, "One of these days,
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I want to do your job."
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March 23rd, 1981…
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I get called to go to Homicide Bureau.
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I only had
nine and a half years experience.
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That was my goal,
that was my dream, and…
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I made it.
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The Bulldogs. That was their nickname.
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I covered hundreds of crimes
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and dozens and dozens of murders…
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In downtown Los Angeles, Tony Valdez…
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…Channel 11 News.
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…and I can tell you there were a lot
of murders that ended up being solved
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20 years later,
because the Bulldogs never let go.
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We probably ran
350, 400 murders a year
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for the sheriff's homicide bureau.
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Los Angeles Police Department
was probably running 500 or 600.
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So, in LA County, there's probably
close to 1,000 murders a year.
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And it takes a big ego,
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because you got to have
confidence in what you're doing.
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You're investigating the ultimate crime.
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There's nothing more serious
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than one human being
taking the life of another.
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Frank Salerno's the Italian Stallion,
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he's the goombah, he's…
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he's everything.
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When I got there,
he was working on the Hillside Strangler.
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This is where the first
Hillside Strangler victim was found.
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The death of Laura Collins
and 12 other young women
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touched off one of the largest manhunts
in Southern California history.
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Everybody looked up to him.
He's the man.
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If you saw Frank Salerno
or heard his name,
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these were not small-time crimes.
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They were bringing heavy guns.
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Frank Salerno was a straight shooter.
He's a disciplined guy.
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He was always a poker face.
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He's very businesslike.
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His co-workers call him a cop's detective.
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Frank overlooks nothing.
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You'd be surprised how thorough
he is on an investigation.
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Gil Carrillo and Jim Mercer
were teamed together as partners.
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He sat at a desk that was behind me
and to my left.
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And he was the youngest detective
in the Bureau at the time.
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One day, Frank comes over and says,
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"Want to go down to Little Joe's?"
An Italian restaurant in Chinatown.
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And I'm sitting there
and I've never eaten Italian food.
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I grew up in a Mexican home.
That's what I know, is Mexican food.
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I look at this menu
and I don't recognize anything.
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I don't know what it is.
I remember ordering chicken Parmesan.
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And I'm eating this food and I'm laughing.
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Salerno looked at me, said,
"What's so funny, kid?"
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I said,
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"Here I am, last week, I'm eating
a double-wrapped red chili burrito
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off the hood of a radio car in east LA.
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Tonight, I'm wearing a suit and tie,
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eating some shit that I don't know
what it is, drinking a glass of wine
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with Frank Salerno
and the guys from Homicide.
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It don't get any better than that."
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I was working at AT&T,
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and across the street was a mini-mall.
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And in there was a Salvation Army store.
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And I would just spend
my lunch hour in there.
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And once, I was in there,
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there was a table that was full of junk,
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and there was this hat.
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And I picked it up,
'cause the letters on it said "AC/DC."
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I didn't know what that was,
and thought it was kind of weird.
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And so, I threw it back down.
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And then on my right, here comes this man,
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and he stood right there
and picked up the hat…
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looked at it…
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turned around and looked at me,
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and kind of smiled a little bit,
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and he had the devil on his hand.
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A picture. A round circle
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with the face of the devil.
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You know, with the horns?
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And he got the hat, walked away.
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When I went home from work,
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I was on the freeway with my little car,
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and here comes somebody
speeding way behind me.
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Then all of a sudden,
he just swerves around my car.
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It's like he's right there.
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Like a moment, stop.
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And he turns and he just…
He's looking at me.
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I remembered, you know,
that was the same guy I saw
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at the thrift store.
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And he has this horrible big grin
and he's missing all these teeth.
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He just stared at me,
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like a weird smile.
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It was like a killer clown.
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The date was March 17th, 1985,
Saint Patrick's Day.
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I actually got that murder
with my partner.
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I get there and the garage door is open.
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In the garage,
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I see blood spatterings
around the door and on the floor,
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right by the door that separates
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the garage from the condo proper.
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There was a baseball cap.
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It said "AC/DC" on it.
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And I go inside the condo…
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walk around…
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and see a bloody phone inside the bedroom.
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And I see Dayle Okazaki
lying on the kitchen floor…
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wearing a Dodger jersey.
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She had been shot right in the forehead.
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She'd put her hands on the countertop,
and lifted her head up
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because it was quiet in there,
wanted to see where the suspect was at.
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He was on the other side
of the countertop waiting for her,
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knowing that she was going
to pop her head up,
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'cause he could see her hands,
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waiting there, and when she did,
he pulled the trigger.
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Maria Hernandez had just driven home.
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She entered via the garage door
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that she opened
with a garage door opener, a remote.
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Maria says she keyed the door
when she heard an intentional noise.
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She turned around and there was
a male suspect with a stargazed look,
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with a gun stretched out
coming towards her face,
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and she put her hands up
and he pulled the trigger.
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The bullet deflected
off the keys in her hand.
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It knocked her to the ground.
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He then pushed her body out of the way,
entered the condo.
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She jumped up
and started running down the alleyway
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when she heard another gunshot.
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She became concerned for her roommate,
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so she went around the front of the condo
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thinking he'll come back out
the garage door.
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But he didn't.
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He came out the front door.
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He sees her.
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He's just as startled
as she is to see him.
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Maria says,
"I just threw my hands up and said,
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'Hey, you already shot me once,
do you really have to shoot me again?'"
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At which time,
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the suspect puts the gun down by his side
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and doesn't even run.
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He walks away.
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I'm at the Maria Hernandez house.
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I'm not thinking about anything else,
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other than getting accurate documentations
of what my observations are.
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So, I'm documenting everything
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from ambiance to smell,
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using fixed objects to measure
where her foot is, where her head is,
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and…
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directing the photographer
to take photographs of the crime scene.
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And once that's done,
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then I can start thinking about motives,
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and thinking about solving this case.
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I'm inside the living room
and the deputy opens a door and says,
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"Excuse me, the mother
of Maria Hernandez is out here
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and she'd like to have a word with you."
249
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While the door is open,
he's standing there, I hear somebody say,
250
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"Gilbert, is that you?"
251
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I'm there saying,
"Gilbert? Nobody calls me-- I'm Gil.
252
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I'm too cool to be Gilbert."
253
00:17:05,524 --> 00:17:08,068
And I can't see her, I hear her voice.
254
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And she says,
255
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"It's me, Pauline."
256
00:17:11,947 --> 00:17:13,657
And I said, "Pumpkin?"
257
00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:15,034
And she said, "Yes."
258
00:17:15,617 --> 00:17:18,037
And it was the mother of Maria Hernandez.
259
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A neighbor that lived three doors down
from me when I was a kid growing up.
260
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This case was already close to home.
261
00:17:35,554 --> 00:17:39,892
We find out the next day that 40 minutes
after the murder of Dayle Okazaki,
262
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the Monterey Park Police Department
got a call.
263
00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:45,314
There was a murder that had occurred
264
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probably a mile
from where Dayle Okazaki got killed.
265
00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:53,155
They've got a young Asian girl
that is driving down the street,
266
00:17:53,238 --> 00:17:54,656
and all of a sudden
267
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she is stopped,
268
00:17:57,367 --> 00:18:00,120
and she's yanked out of her car,
269
00:18:01,121 --> 00:18:02,372
and she's shot
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00:18:02,456 --> 00:18:04,041
for no apparent reason.
271
00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:10,714
Tsai-Lian Yu was left sprawled
in the street, shot in the chest.
272
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Her last words:
273
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"Help me! Help me!"
274
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It was the same caliber weapon,
275
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but you can't assume
that it's the same gun because…
276
00:18:26,688 --> 00:18:30,484
…there are thousands
upon thousands of .22s out there.
277
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Maybe it's not.
278
00:18:34,446 --> 00:18:37,741
So now we have Maria Hernandez
in the hospital.
279
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We told her we'd like
to send the staff artist.
280
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She says, "Sure."
281
00:18:44,081 --> 00:18:48,502
I can tell you he was… 5'10",
something like that. Dark clothes…
282
00:18:48,585 --> 00:18:51,171
When that staff artist
brought me the picture,
283
00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:54,341
I was showing it to the detectives
over at East LA Station,
284
00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:57,010
and a friend of mine said,
"Gil, hold that thought."
285
00:18:57,094 --> 00:19:00,222
He goes out to his car
and he brings out an identikit drawing.
286
00:19:01,014 --> 00:19:03,475
You put them together,
it looks like the same guy.
287
00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:09,565
His drawing came from
the physical description of a suspect
288
00:19:09,648 --> 00:19:12,526
of an attempted kidnapping
out of the city of Pico Rivera.
289
00:19:13,527 --> 00:19:15,988
My mind started working because,
290
00:19:16,071 --> 00:19:19,575
before I got to Homicide,
I was going to Cal State LA.
291
00:19:19,658 --> 00:19:22,035
There was a professor
by the name of Robert Morneau.
292
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,663
Great man, best professor I've ever had.
293
00:19:24,746 --> 00:19:28,709
And I took Advanced Criminal Investigation
Pertaining to Sex Crimes from him.
294
00:19:28,792 --> 00:19:33,172
And I remembered that
there's a deviancy that says,
295
00:19:33,797 --> 00:19:36,550
"I like to see a frightened look
on your face."
296
00:19:37,885 --> 00:19:42,431
"I want to see you scared.
That's what really gets me turned on."
297
00:19:42,514 --> 00:19:44,183
That's excitement to them.
298
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,810
With Maria Hernandez,
299
00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:49,897
he could have walked up behind her
in silence and killed her.
300
00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:50,981
He didn't.
301
00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:53,192
He intentionally slapped the top of a car…
302
00:19:53,275 --> 00:19:55,861
…so she could turn around and see him.
303
00:19:56,612 --> 00:19:57,946
Dayle Okazaki,
304
00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:02,034
she was down on the ground and he waited
until he saw the fear in her eyes,
305
00:20:02,117 --> 00:20:03,911
then he shot her right here.
306
00:20:05,787 --> 00:20:06,872
Tsai-Lian Yu,
307
00:20:07,748 --> 00:20:10,209
why wasn't she killed
right there in the car?
308
00:20:10,292 --> 00:20:13,212
Whoever the suspect was
wanted confrontation.
309
00:20:13,295 --> 00:20:14,504
Wanted to see that fear.
310
00:20:15,088 --> 00:20:20,135
That's what started me thinking
about, perhaps, one man doing this.
311
00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:36,235
…with…
312
00:20:59,174 --> 00:21:00,050
And…
313
00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:28,036
Ten days after Okazaki, Hernandez, and Yu,
314
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,999
there is a double murder
out in Whittier County area.
315
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:36,461
The house of Vincent and Maxine Zazzara.
316
00:21:37,879 --> 00:21:41,174
JD Smith and Russ Yuloth
went to that case. It was their murder.
317
00:21:41,883 --> 00:21:43,510
It's a pretty brutal murder.
318
00:21:44,094 --> 00:21:47,639
You could see where he stepped on
a five-gallon plastic can
319
00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:50,726
and got in the house
through an open restroom window.
320
00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:52,686
The place was ransacked.
321
00:21:53,687 --> 00:21:56,273
There was a $40,000 theft
322
00:21:56,356 --> 00:21:58,775
that occurred there in jewelry and things.
323
00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:03,947
The male is executed
as he's sleeping on the couch…
324
00:22:04,031 --> 00:22:06,408
…with a gunshot wound to the temple.
325
00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:10,746
A .22 was used.
326
00:22:12,372 --> 00:22:16,585
So now you have
Dayle Okazaki killed with a .22,
327
00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:20,922
Tsai-Lian Yu killed with a .22,
and the Zazzaras killed with a .22.
328
00:22:22,382 --> 00:22:25,135
And the woman is found in bed.
329
00:22:25,218 --> 00:22:28,430
She has several stab wounds
just above the vagina.
330
00:22:28,513 --> 00:22:30,349
She had been raped,
331
00:22:30,432 --> 00:22:33,268
and he actually cut her eyes out.
332
00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:40,650
Why?
333
00:22:41,818 --> 00:22:43,028
Why did he do that?
334
00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:51,203
Was it because she stared at him
or got a hard look at him?
335
00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:53,955
He took the eyes with him,
336
00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:55,957
and then he's gone.
337
00:23:15,435 --> 00:23:17,979
The biggest thing in that case was…
338
00:23:19,106 --> 00:23:20,148
a shoe print left
339
00:23:20,732 --> 00:23:21,858
at the point of entry
340
00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:23,777
and in flower beds around the house.
341
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:29,699
That was a full-sized 11 to 12 shoe.
342
00:24:11,199 --> 00:24:16,163
I was six,
and my first memory of that night is…
343
00:24:18,915 --> 00:24:22,085
the window opening and being woken up.
344
00:24:22,919 --> 00:24:25,255
And then being ushered out the window,
345
00:24:26,047 --> 00:24:27,382
and being carried.
346
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:34,389
It kind of hurts me to say that
347
00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:37,559
there was a familiarity, uh…
348
00:24:37,642 --> 00:24:38,643
you know,
349
00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:42,647
he reminded me of a family member,
350
00:24:42,731 --> 00:24:46,568
and, you know, I was half asleep,
I didn't know what was going on.
351
00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:48,987
So, I thought,
"Well, that's okay. I know him,
352
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:52,741
so… I guess this is okay that I'm going."
353
00:24:58,205 --> 00:25:01,875
I don't know how long I was in the car
or what it looked like.
354
00:25:03,627 --> 00:25:04,794
But I do remember
355
00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:08,006
there was one point
where we were driving,
356
00:25:08,089 --> 00:25:10,717
and… he looked at me and,
357
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,135
he said, you know,
358
00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:14,513
"Open up the glove compartment."
359
00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:16,973
And I did and there was a gun inside.
360
00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:22,062
And he shut it and just kind of like--
"Just so you know, that's there."
361
00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:25,315
Things started from there.
362
00:25:25,398 --> 00:25:26,399
Um…
363
00:25:28,026 --> 00:25:28,860
You know…
364
00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:32,906
Look at him and…
365
00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:35,742
touch him and things like that.
366
00:25:35,825 --> 00:25:36,826
Um…
367
00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:44,709
And then we got to where we were going.
368
00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:48,713
I remember there being German Shepherds
barking and a chain-link fence.
369
00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:55,929
And he made me get into
a zipped-up duffel bag
370
00:25:56,012 --> 00:25:58,640
and he told me, "You need to be quiet.
371
00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:00,141
You need to get in here."
372
00:26:00,225 --> 00:26:01,685
Like, "Don't mess with me.
373
00:26:02,811 --> 00:26:03,979
Do what I say."
374
00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:11,695
We had to walk
through a room with a couch,
375
00:26:11,778 --> 00:26:14,114
and everything was dark and kind of dingy.
376
00:26:14,197 --> 00:26:16,116
The windows were covered
377
00:26:16,199 --> 00:26:20,870
with drapery or something
that made it dark, and…
378
00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,874
I don't know. Just slimy.
379
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:29,337
Food packages and…
380
00:26:29,838 --> 00:26:31,715
take-out stuff around.
381
00:26:32,632 --> 00:26:34,884
Very not my house.
382
00:26:38,054 --> 00:26:41,099
There was just this soundtrack
of Madonna going on.
383
00:26:43,184 --> 00:26:45,312
"Holiday" and "Like a Virgin."
384
00:26:46,021 --> 00:26:47,397
All of those songs…
385
00:26:53,236 --> 00:26:54,237
…over and over.
386
00:26:55,447 --> 00:27:00,285
I remember saying,
"Stop. This hurts. Don't."
387
00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:03,038
Or, like, "Why are you doing this?"
388
00:27:04,122 --> 00:27:07,000
You know, I'd say, like,
"Can I go to the bathroom?"
389
00:27:07,083 --> 00:27:09,753
He would stop what he was doing,
take me to the sink
390
00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:11,212
and sit me on the sink.
391
00:27:14,424 --> 00:27:18,553
And then nothing would happen for a while,
then he'd take me back and…
392
00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:19,804
continue.
393
00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:21,556
And I would ask again,
394
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,975
"I have to go to the bathroom.
Can you please stop?"
395
00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:26,019
And he would keep stopping.
396
00:27:26,102 --> 00:27:28,104
But, each time, it's like, "All right,
397
00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:30,482
I know you don't have to go."
398
00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:35,612
Something in the way
that he would look at me that…
399
00:27:35,695 --> 00:27:38,657
It was almost like,
"I'm sorry that I'm doing this to you.
400
00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,120
But I'm not sorry,
'cause I'm not going to stop."
401
00:27:48,249 --> 00:27:52,212
He put me in the bag again,
to leave the place where we were.
402
00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:55,590
And after a while we stopped…
403
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,843
on the side of the road,
404
00:27:58,927 --> 00:28:01,596
and he said,
"There's a gas station over there.
405
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,517
I want you to go in there
and I want you to tell them to call 911
406
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,353
and have them get your family
to come get you."
407
00:28:09,396 --> 00:28:11,022
Um, so…
408
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:13,650
he let me go.
409
00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:49,269
At that time there was
a series of child abductions,
410
00:28:49,352 --> 00:28:51,730
or attempted abductions, of children.
411
00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:54,899
In each case,
the child was sexually assaulted.
412
00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:57,527
February 25th, in Montebello,
413
00:28:57,610 --> 00:29:01,489
a six-year-old girl was taken from
a schoolyard, molested, then abandoned.
414
00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:03,450
March 11th in Monterey Park,
415
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:05,785
a nine-year-old boy
was snatched from his bed,
416
00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:07,495
molested, then abandoned.
417
00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:09,372
March 20th, in Glassell Park,
418
00:29:09,456 --> 00:29:11,708
an eight-year-old girl
was taken from her bed,
419
00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:13,293
assaulted in a car, then abandoned.
420
00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:20,133
If kids get sexually assaulted,
421
00:29:20,216 --> 00:29:22,886
get kidnapped,
or anything happens to kids,
422
00:29:22,969 --> 00:29:24,679
that's an entirely different unit.
423
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:27,140
I was assigned
to the sheriff's Homicide Bureau.
424
00:29:27,223 --> 00:29:28,767
I'm working one murder…
425
00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:33,605
the murder of Dayle Okazaki
and the wounding of Maria Hernandez.
426
00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:38,902
And as part of your investigation,
you look for broadcast.
427
00:29:38,985 --> 00:29:42,030
Everything else that's going on around
in the area, what's happening.
428
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:46,367
The first description I got
was from Maria Hernandez.
429
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:49,913
When you look at the reports
that the children gave…
430
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:53,208
their descriptions were very similar.
431
00:29:54,125 --> 00:30:00,298
They described him as being tall, thin,
light-skinned Hispanic or Caucasian,
432
00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:01,883
disheveled hair,
433
00:30:01,966 --> 00:30:04,594
all black clothing,
Members Only-type jacket,
434
00:30:04,677 --> 00:30:07,889
brown-stained gap teeth,
and a pungent odor.
435
00:30:09,182 --> 00:30:11,684
In my opinion, we had a serial killer
436
00:30:11,768 --> 00:30:14,103
that was responsible
for kidnapping children,
437
00:30:14,187 --> 00:30:18,650
girls, boys, raping adult women,
killing adult women, killing males.
438
00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:21,069
Not many people believed that,
439
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:24,823
because we've never encountered
anybody like that…
440
00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:27,158
in criminal history.
441
00:30:33,164 --> 00:30:35,250
Gil asked me, "What do you think?"
442
00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:37,544
I said, "Is it possible?
443
00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:38,920
Absolutely.
444
00:30:39,003 --> 00:30:41,005
Is it probable? Mmm.
445
00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:43,132
It's never been documented before."
446
00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:52,141
On April 10th,
447
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:56,062
I attended a meeting of local
law enforcement from the Los Angeles area
448
00:30:56,145 --> 00:30:59,607
to exchange information between agencies
on the abduction of children.
449
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,070
I was alleging that the child abductions
were related to the homicides.
450
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:07,949
And they were laughing at me.
451
00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:12,579
This just doesn't occur.
452
00:31:12,662 --> 00:31:15,415
You didn't have a guy going around
violently killing people
453
00:31:15,498 --> 00:31:20,128
and then also kidnapping
and assaulting young people
454
00:31:20,211 --> 00:31:21,838
and allowing them to live.
455
00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:24,716
It's unheard of.
456
00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:28,845
And these old-timers, they laughed it off.
457
00:31:28,928 --> 00:31:31,681
I went there openly and honestly.
458
00:31:33,141 --> 00:31:35,935
I didn't realize
that they were going to reject…
459
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,814
and scoff at my theory.
460
00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:44,319
Gil was very frustrated with the way
he was being treated.
461
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:48,281
I had an inside friend
that worked Monterey Park that told me,
462
00:31:49,157 --> 00:31:52,827
"Every time you walk out of this office,
every time you come in, walk out,
463
00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:55,622
they're motherfucking you to death,
thinking you're a young punk
464
00:31:55,705 --> 00:31:57,582
trying to make a name for myself."
465
00:31:58,082 --> 00:32:02,837
I thought Gil was right
in suggesting that it was one person.
466
00:32:03,546 --> 00:32:07,008
He had a good sense of this killer.
467
00:32:07,091 --> 00:32:11,512
So, I just encouraged him, as his friend,
and said, "Go for it."
468
00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:44,379
I used to use East LA Patrol Station
as kind of like my home base.
469
00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:47,382
Deputies there were well aware
of what I was working.
470
00:32:48,341 --> 00:32:53,137
A deputy from the station approached me
and said, "Some girls called the cops.
471
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,891
They said, "This guy was following us.
Here's his plate number.'"
472
00:33:00,019 --> 00:33:02,981
The guy had long hair, was tall,
light-skinned Mexican.
473
00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:06,442
I got a surveillance team
and they're following him
474
00:33:06,526 --> 00:33:08,403
and he went to a restaurant.
475
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:11,114
And they said he drove around
the parking lot
476
00:33:11,781 --> 00:33:15,493
and just kept skulking around,
and finally saw a lone female
477
00:33:15,576 --> 00:33:17,286
and he started following her.
478
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:21,541
She realizes she's being followed,
so she splits and she gets away from him.
479
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:24,502
And they're still on him.
480
00:33:24,585 --> 00:33:26,379
They said, "This guy's a freak!"
481
00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:28,673
If he sees any female,
482
00:33:28,756 --> 00:33:32,427
didn't matter, guy went through
all kinds of traffic just to get to 'em.
483
00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:36,264
And so,
we take Arturo Robles into custody…
484
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,850
and I talked to him.
485
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:42,395
And I said,
486
00:33:42,478 --> 00:33:45,356
"You're making U-turns
because you wanna get to a woman?"
487
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,651
He said, "Yeah, I like women.
Nothing wrong with that."
488
00:33:48,735 --> 00:33:51,320
I said, "Lady walks by you,
489
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:53,906
then you ducked down behind the car."
490
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:56,534
He says,
"Oh, I didn't duck. My shoes were untied."
491
00:33:56,617 --> 00:33:59,078
He had an answer for everything.
He was good.
492
00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:02,623
And so I put a six-pack,
a mug show folder together.
493
00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:05,376
One of the people I showed it to
was Maria Hernandez.
494
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:08,504
And she said, "That could be him."
495
00:34:10,256 --> 00:34:11,382
And so, we go back,
496
00:34:11,966 --> 00:34:13,259
write a search warrant,
497
00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:15,053
go down to his house,
498
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:19,348
we find all kinds of pictures
out of magazines,
499
00:34:20,141 --> 00:34:21,809
photographs of women.
500
00:34:22,435 --> 00:34:25,438
Wearing a black Members Only jacket,
he's got dark clothing.
501
00:34:26,022 --> 00:34:27,398
He's got ladies' underwear,
502
00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:30,318
and they're all sliced in the crotch.
503
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:38,451
So, we had a lineup
and nobody could pick him in the lineup.
504
00:34:38,534 --> 00:34:39,911
Not even Maria Hernandez.
505
00:34:41,037 --> 00:34:43,081
My partner looked at me and said,
506
00:34:43,956 --> 00:34:44,916
"He's a freak.
507
00:34:46,626 --> 00:34:48,252
But he's not your freak.
508
00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:50,046
He's not the guy."
509
00:35:56,946 --> 00:35:59,782
In the case
of the Dois in Monterey Park,
510
00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:02,201
I was called to go to their home.
511
00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:06,706
So, when I arrived at the scene,
512
00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:08,457
it was really violent…
513
00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:10,626
and destructive.
514
00:36:14,505 --> 00:36:18,134
Authorities say
that the man shot 66-year-old William Doi,
515
00:36:18,217 --> 00:36:20,720
then raped, beat and robbed his wife.
516
00:36:21,554 --> 00:36:26,350
Detectives say Doi saved his wife's life
by calling 911 before he died.
517
00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:31,814
They found his wife badly beaten.
518
00:36:32,398 --> 00:36:35,818
On the thumb of her left hand,
she was wearing thumbcuffs…
519
00:36:35,902 --> 00:36:37,570
Eighteen years I worked homicide,
520
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:40,740
it's the only case I ever came across
where thumbcuffs were used.
521
00:36:42,074 --> 00:36:43,951
A bizarre restraining device,
522
00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:46,996
the thumb of her right hand
was bleeding profusely,
523
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,457
indicating that in her attempt
to free herself
524
00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:51,834
Mrs. Doi had ripped her thumbs apart.
525
00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:58,591
And that's basically the information
we get from the Doi murder.
526
00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:01,761
We had…
527
00:37:02,595 --> 00:37:04,889
We had nothing.
We had a whodunit.
528
00:37:07,350 --> 00:37:09,060
A friend from Montebello PD says,
529
00:37:09,143 --> 00:37:11,979
"I may have found a link
that's gonna help you link these cases."
530
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:16,943
And he showed me a picture of a footprint
that was taken at a child abduction.
531
00:37:19,153 --> 00:37:22,323
She was eight years old
and taken from her house,
532
00:37:22,406 --> 00:37:26,953
taken to a construction site
and was sexually assaulted,
533
00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:28,496
and then set free.
534
00:37:28,579 --> 00:37:32,667
At that construction site,
they had poured concrete that day
535
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:35,419
and there was a shoe print
in the concrete.
536
00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:38,756
And so I went down there.
He showed them. I said, "Jesus Christ."
537
00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:43,094
And I recognized it immediately
538
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:46,430
as the same or similar footprint
that was lifted
539
00:37:46,514 --> 00:37:49,350
at the Zazzara homicide crime scene.
540
00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:51,769
We knew by Zazzara,
541
00:37:51,852 --> 00:37:54,230
we were looking
for a pretty good-sized shoe.
542
00:37:54,313 --> 00:37:56,440
Somewhere between 11 and a 12.
543
00:37:56,524 --> 00:38:00,027
So, I called up my lieutenant and I said,
"Okay, I found the link."
544
00:38:00,111 --> 00:38:01,404
And he says, "Gil,
545
00:38:02,154 --> 00:38:05,324
I've got the guys from LAPD in here
that are handling that case,
546
00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:07,076
they're looking for a size ten.
547
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,036
You're looking for a bigger shoe."
548
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,830
I said, "Put them on the phone."
549
00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:15,376
And he got on the phone. I said,
"I wanna know how you determine your size,
550
00:38:15,459 --> 00:38:19,088
because I'm looking at a shoe
that's a one-to-one with a ruler in it.
551
00:38:19,171 --> 00:38:22,383
It's 12 inches long.
How do you get a size 10?"
552
00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:25,303
All they did,
because the cement was kind of wet,
553
00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:28,764
was he put his shoe, he wore wingtips,
554
00:38:28,848 --> 00:38:30,141
size 10,
555
00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:34,562
and he stood on one foot and put
his wingtip down over the shoe print,
556
00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:37,857
and he says, "My shoe covers it.
Got to be a size 10."
557
00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:41,277
Says, "I obviously made a mistake,
I got to change it.
558
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,279
I got to make it right. You're right."
559
00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:47,992
Now I've got a little bit
of circumstantial evidence here.
560
00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:51,412
But that still wasn't enough.
561
00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:08,387
In May, 1985,
562
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:11,098
Gil loses his partner.
563
00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:13,893
My partner goes off,
eventually, to retire.
564
00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:15,728
So, we decided to hook up.
565
00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:18,564
Both get a drink at the bar and he says,
566
00:39:18,647 --> 00:39:21,192
"Gil, would you be interested
in working with me?"
567
00:39:21,275 --> 00:39:23,527
"Too Cool Carrillo," you know, so I said,
568
00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:25,404
"Yeah, I'll give it some thought."
569
00:39:25,488 --> 00:39:27,823
I went back
and sat next to my wife and said,
570
00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:30,910
"Frank Salerno just asked me
to be his partner!"
571
00:39:30,993 --> 00:39:33,120
He goes, "Frank Salerno!
572
00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:35,831
He's the best up there!"
573
00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:38,000
Gil was young,
574
00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:39,794
enthusiastic,
575
00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:41,379
had a good reputation,
576
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:43,631
and spoke Spanish,
577
00:39:43,714 --> 00:39:46,300
and I thought we'd make a good team.
578
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,472
Next day he comes up to me
and he says,"I was in my cups that night."
579
00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:56,769
And I figure…
Frank's letting me down easy.
580
00:39:57,561 --> 00:40:00,481
He says,
"Yeah, but I'm not in my cups now.
581
00:40:00,564 --> 00:40:02,858
I'm asking you, are you still interested?"
582
00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:04,944
And I said, "Sure."
583
00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:08,072
He says, "Good, I went to the captain.
It's gonna happen."
584
00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:10,032
I said, "Cool."
585
00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:14,286
Gil and I team up.
586
00:40:15,371 --> 00:40:16,914
We become partners.
587
00:40:18,082 --> 00:40:22,503
I was really surprised, in a way,
when I first realized that Frank Salerno,
588
00:40:22,586 --> 00:40:24,547
the almost bigger-than-life…
589
00:40:25,673 --> 00:40:26,507
murder cop,
590
00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:27,758
and then,
591
00:40:27,842 --> 00:40:29,468
here's this guy, Gil Carrillo.
592
00:40:31,137 --> 00:40:33,055
I knew him from the streets.
593
00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:35,975
When he was a patrol deputy,
he was known as El Cucuy,
594
00:40:36,058 --> 00:40:37,268
the boogeyman.
595
00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:40,438
He was notorious for
eating sunflower seeds
596
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:43,607
and spitting the shells out
all over the place.
597
00:40:43,691 --> 00:40:46,569
Figuring out how he ends up
working with Frank Salerno.
598
00:40:46,652 --> 00:40:48,696
They were an odd couple.
599
00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:52,908
Frank was all business, no smiles.
600
00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:57,496
And Gil was this big guy
who was, you know, jovial.
601
00:40:57,580 --> 00:41:01,083
Gil was a welcome relief.
602
00:41:01,667 --> 00:41:04,336
He could've had
anybody he wanted as a partner.
603
00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:07,798
And he asked me and I was tickled pink.
I was flying.
604
00:41:25,274 --> 00:41:27,193
…three-quarters of a million people
605
00:41:27,276 --> 00:41:30,029
to beaches of Southern California
to search for a cool--
606
00:41:30,112 --> 00:41:32,615
One hundred degrees every day this week,
607
00:41:32,698 --> 00:41:36,076
and it's expected to stay that way
right on through the 4th of July.
608
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:38,871
No, it's gonna stay hot.
609
00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:42,875
Very hot. Even NBC's Johnny Carson
was joking on last night's show about…
610
00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:16,116
Patty Elaine Higgins
was killed in the city of Arcadia.
611
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,873
That's the first case
Frank and I had had together.
612
00:42:23,457 --> 00:42:25,292
The killer was very enraged.
613
00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:30,005
He viciously cut her throat,
then he stabbed her in that slash.
614
00:42:30,089 --> 00:42:32,800
Like, you know, here's some more.
615
00:42:32,883 --> 00:42:34,301
Uh…
616
00:42:34,385 --> 00:42:37,096
That's a very violent individual.
617
00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:39,473
Four days go by…
618
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:46,146
…and Arcadia PD calls the bureau again,
says, "We've got another murder."
619
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:49,984
So, Gil and I roll out to the Cannon case,
620
00:42:50,901 --> 00:42:53,571
just a few miles
from where Patty Higgins' case was.
621
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:57,825
She had her throat slit,
622
00:42:57,908 --> 00:43:01,453
very similar to the way
Patty Elaine Higgins' throat had been slit
623
00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:02,997
four days prior.
624
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,041
Then we get to the 5th of July,
three days later.
625
00:43:13,048 --> 00:43:15,426
We get a call
from Sierra Madre PD,
626
00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:18,429
which is not too far from Arcadia
right there.
627
00:43:19,013 --> 00:43:23,517
In the front of the house
there is a fabric mark and blood…
628
00:43:24,226 --> 00:43:25,728
on the windowsill,
629
00:43:25,811 --> 00:43:28,814
so we knew that the suspect was wearing,
630
00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:31,525
like, a gardener's glove
or something like that.
631
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:34,820
And we never find a single fingerprint
632
00:43:34,903 --> 00:43:36,697
in any of our crime scenes.
633
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,002
She was beaten with a tire iron
at her parents' home in Sierra Madre.
634
00:43:57,718 --> 00:44:00,262
The room was ransacked.
635
00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:02,890
I mean, just ransacked.
636
00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:12,316
She says she remembers only going to bed.
637
00:44:13,734 --> 00:44:17,446
She woke up bloodied, beaten,
her bedroom in a disarray.
638
00:44:18,113 --> 00:44:21,784
She ended up with 42 inches of lacerations
and skull fractures.
639
00:44:23,911 --> 00:44:26,288
It's a difficult situation to…
640
00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:37,925
stand there and interview a 16-year-old
that had just gone through this.
641
00:44:38,842 --> 00:44:40,052
And you wanna…
642
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,807
You really want to get your hands
on that individual.
643
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,231
We didn't go in the room
where this happened,
644
00:44:52,314 --> 00:44:54,024
we didn't want to contaminate it.
645
00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:55,943
We're waiting out in the living room
646
00:44:56,026 --> 00:44:57,861
when Gisele Lavigne,
647
00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:00,155
who was a criminalist from our crime lab,
648
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,410
she walks out, she's wearing a lab coat,
her hair's in a bun, glasses on,
649
00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:06,036
and she says, "Hey, fellas,
650
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,123
found something, may be interesting.
You oughta take a look."
651
00:45:09,206 --> 00:45:12,126
She's got a pink comforter in her hand,
652
00:45:12,209 --> 00:45:14,712
and she walks out to us
and she opens it up
653
00:45:14,795 --> 00:45:17,297
and there's a shoe print in blood
654
00:45:17,881 --> 00:45:19,550
on that comforter.
655
00:45:19,633 --> 00:45:24,096
And that was the same footprint
that was at the Zazzara murder,
656
00:45:24,179 --> 00:45:25,806
and it is the same footprint
657
00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:28,976
found at the northeast abduction
of a 10-year-old little girl.
658
00:45:30,102 --> 00:45:33,731
That's a serial-- There's no doubt
in my mind. It's the same guy.
659
00:45:34,815 --> 00:45:36,692
Gil and I just looked at each other.
660
00:45:36,775 --> 00:45:37,818
It's like, "Wow."
661
00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:42,698
The only thing I could say was,
"Kiss my ass."
662
00:45:42,781 --> 00:45:45,576
And Frank said, "Yeah, kiss your ass."
663
00:45:45,659 --> 00:45:48,078
It gave me chills,
like it's giving me right now.
664
00:45:49,705 --> 00:45:51,415
Right after we saw the footprint,
665
00:45:52,332 --> 00:45:55,461
Frank says, "Okay. Tell me
everything you've got in your head."
666
00:45:56,420 --> 00:46:00,591
Okazaki, Tsai-Lian Yu, Zazzara,
667
00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:03,010
William and Emily Doi.
668
00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:08,223
We have Patty Elaine Higgins, we have
Mary Cannon, and now Whitney Bennett.
669
00:46:09,308 --> 00:46:11,059
They weren't all my cases,
670
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:13,896
but I studied them.
I knew all the details,
671
00:46:13,979 --> 00:46:15,856
times, addresses, information,
672
00:46:15,939 --> 00:46:17,357
and I told him everything.
673
00:46:17,441 --> 00:46:20,360
Now it's in black and white
in front of you.
674
00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:22,070
There's no denying it.
675
00:46:22,154 --> 00:46:23,822
Gil was right.
676
00:46:23,906 --> 00:46:27,284
The Bureau didn't think it was one man,
but once Frank got on board,
677
00:46:27,367 --> 00:46:30,496
said, "Yes, it's one man,"
everybody listens.
678
00:46:31,747 --> 00:46:34,208
Picked up the phone
called the captain right away.
679
00:46:34,917 --> 00:46:38,212
He said, "Okay, let's… let's go at it."
680
00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:41,590
And things started going fast and furious.
681
00:46:41,673 --> 00:46:44,343
We got a hell of a series going here.
682
00:46:44,426 --> 00:46:46,178
We got us a serial killer.
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