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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,120 This programme contains strong language 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,040 He kind of took New York by storm 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,320 and he was in all the magazines, before he was 25. Worldwide. 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,720 My philosophy has always been art really could communicate 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,640 to larger numbers of people, instead of the elitist group of people 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,840 that could afford it and, quote, unquote, understand it. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,280 90% or more of the people using the subways 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,360 would never go to a museum of modern art. 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,760 That was around the time when Keith kind of went, 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,280 "Bing! I'm going to do THIS!" 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,040 The crawling baby, the dog, 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,640 flying pyramids, dancing man, 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,760 turning them into his, like, own vocabulary. 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,000 I was realising the potential of images 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,480 and how much power they had to speak almost as a language. 16 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:57,640 Keith had an inherent need to have a dialogue with people. 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,840 For me, the art market has very little to do 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,160 with what art is supposed to be. 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,400 I was formally introduced to this painting here yesterday, 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,200 when the brother painted it. 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,360 We love it, cos he's all right with us. 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,440 The traditional art world didn't get that he felt 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,480 that art should be as accessible as possible. 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,760 It's sort of a romantic idea of being an artist of the people. 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,280 I just found a way to do it that was very direct. 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,280 He was so prolific. I would come back the next day 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,760 and there would be, like, four new paintings. 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,880 And 20 drawings. OK. 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,160 I think it's more important to keep coming up with new images 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,120 and things that were never made before. 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,720 From painting vacant ad spaces in subways, 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,400 to being flown round the world is quite a leap. 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,520 I would say Keith had some of this carrot juice, 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,800 instead of doing a line of coke. 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,080 Live as fully and as completely as you can 36 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,280 and deal with the future as it comes to you. 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,360 He was celebrating life up to the very end. 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,440 So, this is the eighth day of August, 1989, 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,960 and I'm speaking with Keith Haring. 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,200 One of the things I want to ask you 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,920 is what kind of a little boy you were, if you recall. 42 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,920 I had glasses from the time I was in second grade, 43 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,880 so I was already sort of a little, you know, nerd. 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,880 I mean, I think I was real insecure 45 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,600 about being last to be picked for teams. 46 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,280 My mother was really trying to sort of mould me 47 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,120 into something, I suppose. 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,960 # Once upon a once in a while... 49 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,640 I mean, the pressure to play Little League, or to go play ball, 50 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,560 you know, I was really more interested 51 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,160 in doing silly creative things, like inventing a club, 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,520 or arranging some sort of clubhouse. 53 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,880 # Can't you say you want me to stay?... # 54 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,440 I was completely obsessed with The Monkees, 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,920 to the point where I would buy teen magazines, 56 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:13,760 which were really made for little girls 57 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,280 and I would, like, cut out these pictures of The Monkees, 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,600 especially Davy Jones, who was the cute young one. 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,360 He certainly was the cutest. Which was one of the first times, 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,200 I think, that I began to frighten my parents. 61 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,400 And you were the eldest of how many? Of four. 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,520 Yeah, after me they had a girl, and then after two years 63 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,240 had another girl and my third sister was born 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,200 when I was 12 years old. 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,560 Kutztown is a small town. 66 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,080 What I would call a very conservative town 67 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,400 in the heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country. 68 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,080 Yeah, I call it sleepy, because, er... 69 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,920 ..well, just because it's... There's not much going on. 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,040 And that definitely was Keith's opinion of it. 71 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,400 Will you please stop? 72 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang... 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,160 PHONE RINGS 74 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,000 ..bang, bang, bang... 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,360 I was looking at my Tupperware... ..bang, bang, bang. 76 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,280 I went to church camp every summer. Did you? 77 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:23,720 I couldn't have been more than 12 when I did a talent show, 78 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,760 and as my part of the talent show, I did a strip tease, 79 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:27,920 but as a woman. 80 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,640 SING-SONG: Dah-dah-dah... you know. 81 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Oh, my God. 82 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,680 Out of a cake, which we had made out of cardboard boxes. 83 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,920 But, I mean, did you actually strip? 84 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Well, no, not to nothing. I mean, this is church camp. 85 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,520 You know, we'd be driving somewhere and we'd see hippies 86 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,000 and people hitchhiking and stuff, 87 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,280 and I always thought it was really cool. 88 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:54,840 My parents were, you know, Nixon supporters. 89 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:58,000 I mean, I remember distinctly hearing my mother 90 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,840 say things about the Beatles. 91 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:04,000 Like how they should have sank the boat on their way over and how... 92 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,600 I mean, they really weren't part of the '60s cultural revolution at all. 93 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,000 Now, talk about your dad. 94 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,720 He was interested in ham radio. 95 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Da, d-d-d, d-d-d-d, da-da... 96 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,920 A lot of times in the beginning he was doing it with Morse code. 97 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,600 This sound was something that was embedded in my head 98 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,400 from childhood, whatever. 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,600 Da-da-da-da-da-da. 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,360 My father... My father always used to, always used to tell me... 101 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,600 ..tell me, "This, this is Morse code. 102 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,360 "This...this is Morse code." 103 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:41,960 We don't have an exact date on this. 104 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,280 Though I'm pretty sure it's third grade. 105 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:48,240 "When I grow up, I would like to be an artist in France." 106 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,000 "The reason is because I like to draw. 107 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,760 "I would get my money from the pictures I would sell." 108 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,040 "I hope I will be one. Keith Haring." 109 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,120 I mean, he was always drawing, drawing in school 110 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,920 when he wasn't supposed to be. 111 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,120 He would draw on any kind of paper... 112 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,000 Backs of store lists, backs of cards. 113 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Yeah, he was always open to draw on anything. 114 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,640 And he found a friend in Kermit, they both liked to draw. 115 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,000 We grew up in the same town and two blocks away from each other. 116 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,760 A real friendship started, I think, you know, in grade school. 117 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:31,880 And pretty much that's when we started making... 118 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,720 ..making things together. 119 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,120 We are standing before the forces of power 120 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,160 in the state of Alabama, saying we ain't going to let nobody 121 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,760 turn us around. 122 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:54,240 Living in the south, my connection to real world events 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,880 was mostly through Life magazine and on television. 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,160 # Ring all the bells and tell all the people 125 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,440 # Everywhere that the flower has come 126 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,440 # Light up the sky with your prayers of gladness... # 127 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,440 At 7:30 this evening, Martin Luther King was shot. 128 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,880 # Throw off your fears let your heart beat freely 129 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,600 # At the sign that a new time is born... # 130 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,120 We delivered newspapers on the same street. 131 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,280 We were reading the paper day by day. 132 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,840 There was a lot of crappy stuff going on. 133 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,360 We were talking about it and it bothered us. 134 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,680 We will prevail in Vietnam over the communist aggression. 135 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,040 # Na na na na, na na na na na na... # 136 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,040 Keith, as long as I knew him, was an activist. 137 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,880 When Nixon ran for president, 138 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,000 we found ourselves running around town with bars of soap, 139 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,200 putting stuff about Nixon on buildings. 140 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,720 In Kutztown, people didn't write on things that didn't belong to them. 141 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,360 You know, rolling hills and cornfields and horse and buggies 142 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,720 and absolutely no graffiti. 143 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,880 Keith got interested in that whole Jesus movement. 144 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,640 What it illustrated to me was a kind of a longing 145 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,640 to be a part of something. 146 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,560 I guess it was around that time I discovered smoking pot 147 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:38,320 for the first time and that replaced the whole Jesus thing. 148 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,400 And loved watching anti-drug things, 149 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,840 like on this glass gallas thing. 150 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,800 If we had a clue... 151 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,880 ..as to where you got the stuff you took at the... 152 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,200 Oh. 153 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Oh, it's falling again, it's... 154 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,240 They're gonna... They're calling me. 155 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,480 Get the doctor. 156 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,400 Showing you the dangers of drugs... 157 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,760 ..which just made me want to do drugs even more. 158 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,320 Obviously, they are all able to blow pot occasionally 159 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,880 without ill effects. 160 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,960 Well, almost all of them. 161 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,680 And acid was around a lot, and taking a lot of acid and was 162 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:22,480 going to concerts and letting my hair get longer and longer. 163 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,440 Now, did you draw while under the influence? Yeah. 164 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,600 What do you make of that one, Alan? 165 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,680 Er, smoking pot... 166 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,640 We were pretty well convinced he was doing that. 167 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,320 By this time, I was doing really stupid drugs... 168 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,120 Angel dust with my friend, who was making it. 169 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,800 The older sisters were scared of me at that point. 170 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,160 So my littlest sister became my friend. 171 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,600 I was not making judgments of him. 172 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,920 I was open to him in a different way. 173 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,480 He used to take me places, he used to put me in the stroller 174 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,320 and push me across town to go to the public library 175 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,240 and read books to me. 176 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,560 I would stand on top of the washing machine and I would jump 177 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:21,440 into his arms and then he would put me back on the washing machine, 178 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,160 he'd take a step back and we'd do it again, and we'd see 179 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,240 how far away he could get and I could jump to him. 180 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,200 But then I got a job in the arts and crafts centre 181 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,960 in Pittsburgh. 182 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Even though I wasn't a student, I proceeded to use the facilities 183 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,640 around there to do my own work. 184 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,160 One of the most important things in Pittsburgh was that Carnegie 185 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,200 did the Pierre Alechinsky retrospective, 186 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,000 who I had never heard of before and the work was so close 187 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,720 to what I was doing. 188 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,760 You know, it was the first time that I felt that I was doing something 189 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,720 that was worth something. 190 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,080 And then, having seen my work, this art singer asked me 191 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,440 if I wanted to have an exhibition. 192 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,800 So at 20 years old in 1978, I was having my first show on my own. 193 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,120 And at one point, on my way to go to work, I looked down 194 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,040 and there was a piece of paper that just had written on top of it, 195 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,400 "God is a dog," right. 196 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,320 And I picked it up and turned it over and the other side said, 197 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,480 "Jesus is a monkey." 198 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,680 I have no idea why this was, like, such a profound thing to me, 199 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:37,880 but it triggered a punk attitude. 200 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,760 I knew that I had to make a break. 201 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,920 I had reached this plateau in Pittsburgh. 202 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,200 That day, I cut my hair very short and started going to record stores 203 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,520 and buying all these new bands. 204 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,960 I knew I had to go to New York, because that was the only place 205 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,560 where obviously I was going to find the intensity that I wanted to find, 206 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:06,400 both in terms of the art world and in terms of my life. 207 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,200 Also, I was realising, little by little, 208 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,920 that I had to sleep with men. 209 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,040 I had looked into schools and found this school which seemed incredibly 210 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,760 interesting to me, which was School of Visual Arts. 211 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,600 It worried us that he would be exposed to things that we try 212 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,360 to protect children from. 213 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,160 And we would have no control over that. 214 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,400 So, I checked into the YMCA... 215 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,360 I'm there on my first night in New York City, 216 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,520 so I, sort of, ventured out. 217 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,320 I ended up on Christopher Street and was like a kid in a candy store. 218 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,480 It's like gay Disneyland, or something. 219 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,520 I was completely mesmerised. 220 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,040 And I ended up meeting someone on the pier, going back 221 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,080 to his apartment and playing around. 222 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,600 And I ended up deciding that I should move 223 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,280 in and be his roommate. 224 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,240 New York of the late '70s, when I arrived, when Keith arrived... 225 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,560 ..it was a place a lot of people were afraid to go to. 226 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,120 You know, it was downtrodden. 227 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,320 In 1978, it was bankrupt. 228 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,840 Good evening. 229 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,320 New York City was on the brink of default for most of the day. 230 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,120 A lot of the buildings were abandoned. 231 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,160 It was extremely dangerous, there was a lot of crime. 232 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,040 Travellers arriving at New York's Kennedy Airport today 233 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,920 were handed pamphlets by off duty police and firemen, 234 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,680 depicting New York as Fear City. 235 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:01,080 In other words, a good place to stay away from. 236 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,720 But there was a great punk rock music scene, 237 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,000 and an underground film scene, and, er... 238 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,120 ..it was the place to be. 239 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,760 You could get, you know, apartments in really scary neighbourhoods, 240 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,920 like Lower East Side, and, you know, 241 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,840 so you get mugged a couple of times, 242 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,600 but at the same token, you don't have to think about paying rent. 243 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,680 Work maybe a couple days a week and that paid for everything. 244 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,200 So we had all this free time to work on... 245 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,800 What we really wanted to work on was our art. 246 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,280 There was an incredible amount of freedom, 247 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,200 and you will trade your own safety for freedom. 248 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,720 $1, $1. 249 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,160 When I was still living in Kutztown, we would come in and I remember 250 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:56,000 the time, it was pouring rain and all of these hookers ran 251 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,400 up to our car wearing raincoats and then opened them up 252 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,040 with nothing under them, and, like, stuck it all in the windows 253 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,440 of the car. 254 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,960 We were like, "Oh, my God, we've got to move here." 255 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:16,200 It was absolutely full of bums and drunks and fires. 256 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Syringes. Basically, when you were sweeping, you'd sweep syringes 257 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,680 off the sidewalk. 258 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,640 That was the Lower East Side, a lot of syringes, broken syringes. 259 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,560 We didn't have Whole Foods there on the corner like there is now. 260 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,320 Tribute To Gloria Vanderbilt. 261 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,680 Take one. 262 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,520 I was in school full-time with a purpose, 263 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,720 and in this new environment and was just working. 264 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,240 It was all new to me and it was all very exciting. 265 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,080 And you were 20? And I was 20, yeah. 266 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,800 I sort of met some people very quickly. 267 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,360 Like, in my drawing class 268 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,280 I immediately gravitated to this one girl, who was named Samantha McEwan. 269 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,000 And he literally sat down right... 270 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,240 I mean, opposite me, but our knees touching. And he just went, 271 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,520 "Can I draw you?" And that was Keith. 272 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,200 I had this idea that the students I was going to meet were going to 273 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,360 be really special. 274 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,200 So as soon as I got there, I was a little disappointed right 275 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,840 away, because I felt all the kids I met just seemed the same 276 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,600 as the suburban ones that I had known. 277 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,640 I was in the hallway and I heard Devo music 278 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,640 and there's Keith painting himself 279 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,760 into a corner with these black strokes, and every 280 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,520 stroke was to every beat of the music. 281 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,000 And he had painted the entire room and he was at the very end 282 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 and he was standing in the corner and he was marking this mark. 283 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,800 And I was like, "Wow!" 284 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,600 I said, "This is the reason why I came to New York." 285 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,640 We just started talking and we hit it off. 286 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,200 And I'll never forget, you know, that moment. 287 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,520 I think Keith kind of, like, ruled that school 288 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,920 from the time he got there. 289 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,960 I was already starting to sort of step on some toes. 290 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,840 I would sometimes take the drawings and hang them up 291 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,120 just in the hallways. 292 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:30,560 Sometimes they'd stay there. 293 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,640 One time they got taken down and torn up in little bits. 294 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,960 And so what I did was I took the drawing and hung it back up 295 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,360 with the torn pieces and said, "It looked better even like that." 296 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:45,440 I mean, I was making a thing, so I wanted to show them. 297 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,520 He was self-promoting. He had made Xeroxes. 298 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,960 He was handing them out and his buttons and people were like, 299 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,720 "You can't do that, that's not what artists do." 300 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,640 I met him in the corridor. 301 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,280 This really tall, lanky guy. 302 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,320 And he looked like a mix between 303 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,360 Fred Astaire with Jerry Lewis 304 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:07,160 a little bit, you know, like... 305 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,680 He did put his stuff everywhere in school. 306 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,680 There was a Keith something all the time, you know what I mean? 307 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,120 Which is funny. I remember one time on the stairs 308 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:22,680 he had put one drawing on each part. 309 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,000 So you went up and you kept on seeing these things going up. 310 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,560 That kind of thing annoyed people. 311 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,320 I didn't attribute it to raw ambition. 312 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,240 I mean, he obviously had a lot of stuff inside of him. 313 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,520 I'm not sure he said this. 314 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,280 Some people have... I think maybe it was John Lennon. 315 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,480 A lot of people have things inside of them 316 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,720 that they can't get out. 317 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,800 But in the case of Keith, he, I mean, he found a channel. 318 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,800 I really liked the video class a lot. 319 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,960 Looking at yourself from outside of yourself was an incredible 320 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,480 psychological sort of lesson for me. 321 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,560 Some of the stuff was actually shot down in Kutztown. 322 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,360 No, no, no. 323 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,920 He'd videotape his mom in the kitchen... 324 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,560 Can you please stop? 325 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,680 ..and then take that and splice it into, you know, 326 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,520 kind of dirtier stuff that they were doing in New York. 327 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:22,560 Keith... 328 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,840 ..I was looking for my Tupperware book. 329 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,240 By this time, my friend Drew Straub decided that he was going 330 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,200 to leave Kutztown. 331 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,800 We decided to get an apartment together 332 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,760 and move to the East Village. 333 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,760 We lived in a tiny apartment on the third or fourth floor. 334 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,360 Huge roaches and plywood floors. 335 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:52,040 Keith's room was virtually a closet, but it had, like, a phonograph. 336 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:58,200 And, um, he ended up playing, like, Rock Lobster, 20 hours in a row 337 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,280 while he would be drawing in the apartment. 338 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,240 # We were at a party 339 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,840 # His ear lobe fell in the deep 340 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,360 # Someone reached in and grabbed it 341 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,240 # It was a rock lobster... # 342 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,600 I was living by coincidence, I promise, directly across the 343 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,000 street from the club. 344 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,520 By the way, if a few people cruise around here, 345 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,000 I really can't blame them. 346 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,360 That doesn't get you uptight, does it? 347 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:24,720 I was living in the middle of the West Village, 348 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,920 in the middle of everything that was going on. 349 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,000 You couldn't go to the post office 350 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,360 or the grocery store without cruising or without being cruised, 351 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:35,360 or without being totally aware of sex somehow. 352 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:40,760 New York in 1978 was one big orgy. 353 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,320 There wasn't a lot of bad things that could happen if you just went 354 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,400 crazy and explored every facet that you ever dreamed of 355 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:55,480 without having your old friends or your family or anyone watching. 356 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:00,040 Our best friends were Kenny Scharf and John Sex. 357 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,280 And, you know, Kenny Scharf says he had slept with everyone in the room. 358 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:09,040 And John Sex pretty much got his name that way, too. 359 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,360 And then Keith and I were along for that ride also, 360 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,200 every permutation. 361 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,320 But I was never... Keith and I were never attracted to each other, 362 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,360 so that, that never occurred. 363 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,800 I discovered backroom bars with people sort of anonymously 364 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,880 having sex with whoever was there at the time, 365 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,760 which became a way of life for... 366 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,120 ..you know, for a long time. 367 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,120 And because I was obsessed with sex, 368 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:45,440 there were all these drawings of... Phallic. ..of dicks, tonnes of 369 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,160 drawings of dicks. 370 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,960 He did penis wallpaper for our kitchen. 371 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,040 It looks like butterflies, but it's actually penises. 372 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,560 Three... 373 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,280 Er. Nn. 374 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,800 At school, I was studying semiotics... 375 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,080 Al. Al. 376 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,440 ..looking at language and picking it apart and deciphering 377 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,720 and how meaning attached itself to things. 378 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,080 For it isn't man, but the world that has become abnormal. 379 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,680 One of our first days in the city, we ran into this thing called 380 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,400 the Nova Convention, which was a sort of festival 381 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,760 celebrating William Burroughs. 382 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,600 It was about semiotics and words, 383 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,720 and it was about cut-ups. 384 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,120 It was about cutting up text and putting it back together 385 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,560 for new meanings. 386 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,200 And Keith got that. 387 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Lick. 388 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,080 Sin. 389 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,840 No. 390 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,280 Art. Sin. 391 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,880 So, I started spending more time 392 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,160 trying to dissect language and play 393 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,840 with language and found a stack 394 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,000 of letters that were printed on, 395 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,360 sort of, this glossy paper, 396 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,040 one letter on each page. 397 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,160 And for whatever reason, 398 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,200 there were 13 letters in this stack, 399 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,920 so it was an entire alphabet. 400 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Took them to my apartment and 401 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 started to rearrange them to make 402 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,440 whatever words I could 403 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,880 out of these 13 letters. 404 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,240 Came up with phrases which became, 405 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,200 sort of, the basis for this whole 406 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,200 work, which were, "Art, boy, sin, as, if, no..." 407 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,720 No. If no art. No fat if. 408 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,400 If no art. 409 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,400 Art if lick. 410 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,120 Lick fat boys. 411 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:40,760 Lick fat boys. Lick fat boys. 412 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,720 Lick fat... 413 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,440 No-one in the East Village had a television set. 414 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,560 We went out every night. 415 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,520 That was our entertainment. 416 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,960 At night-time, I'm becoming part of the nightclub scene and then 417 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,760 begin to become part of this scene at Club 57, a Polish church. 418 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,880 In the basement of the church, there was a social hall. 419 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,760 # I want to see you tonight 420 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,160 # I want you to walk in the door... # 421 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,000 We were really kind of bored 422 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,600 with the art world as an elitist place. 423 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,520 It seemed like it was trying harder and harder 424 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,760 to be more and more esoteric and not want to include the public at large. 425 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,160 57, Keith and I actually discovered together, we saw this door open 426 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,680 and we were like, "What's in there?" 427 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,200 We'd go in there and there's a jukebox 428 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,760 and we look and the music was really fun. 429 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,160 It was like Motown, '60s Go-Go music. 430 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,880 Put the quarter in and all of a sudden Ann Magnuson comes out 431 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,560 from behind the bar and we're all go-go dancing together. 432 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,040 And it was just like instant family. 433 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,080 MUSIC: Strobe Light by The B-52's 434 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,320 Club 57 was our way of going to Hollywood 435 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,800 without having to go to Hollywood. 436 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,960 That whole spirit of DIY, we're not going to be uptown grovelling 437 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,520 at the feet of corporate entities for their approval to do anything, 438 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,200 where we can find another playground. 439 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,040 MUSIC CONTINUES 440 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,960 You arrive in New York City and you just create 441 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,760 who you want to be. 442 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Which was why everybody was so amazing to be around. 443 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,800 # Everything I see is red... # 444 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,640 There was art shows. 445 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,520 We were dying to get discovered. 446 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,040 We all wanted this dream of fame and all this stuff. 447 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,000 No-one really was paying attention to what we were doing 448 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,360 except for each other. 449 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:07,080 We had a vaudeville act called Acts Of Live Art. 450 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,720 And I remember Keith bringing his television set and doing 451 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,440 repetitive, "Art boy sin. Lick fat boys." 452 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,400 Keith was already being like a serious artist, 453 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,000 even though it was kind of deadpan and hilarious at the same time. 454 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,360 Like, people who saw that, that didn't go over real big. 455 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:34,320 It wasn't fun enough for, um, Club 57. 456 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,880 What I'm obsessed with at this time is trying to figure out why 457 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,440 I'm an artist and if I'm an artist, why I'm an artist. 458 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,120 And also becoming aware of and very interested in what's 459 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,280 happening on the streets of New York 460 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,520 and fascinated by the graffiti that I was seeing. 461 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,160 Not only big paintings on the outsides of cars, 462 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,920 but the incredible calligraphy which was covering 463 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,400 the insides of cars. 464 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,280 It was to compete with advertising in a certain regard. 465 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,560 Like, all these companies were just forcing their products 466 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,920 in your face all the time. 467 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,040 It's like we want to force ourselves in people's faces. 468 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,200 I started to notice him in my 469 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,960 neighbourhood in the Lower East Side. 470 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,120 He started to come down to get more acquainted 471 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,000 with the graffiti writers. 472 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,800 I felt immediately an affinity to 473 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,800 the work as if I had known it a long time. 474 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,960 Here we go, here we go! 475 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,560 This incredible pop cartoon sensibility from kids 476 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,400 that had grown up watching cartoons with Technicolour. 477 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,600 The forms seemed very similar in a way to the kind of drawings 478 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,800 that I was doing. 479 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,720 Even though I wasn't making letters, 480 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,040 they're the same kind of volumous, aggressively fluid lines, 481 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,480 which were obviously done really directly with very little 482 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,600 hesitation, but just really, really strong. 483 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,320 He was just so fascinated by the sense of the energy 484 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,640 that these young individuals had. 485 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,280 And I think Keith was very, you know, like, just drawn to that. 486 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,760 It was a magnet for him. 487 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:46,160 He discovered Puerto Rican boys and black, black boys, I guess. 488 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,120 It was kind of my penchant, too, at that point. 489 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,560 As a kid I had this tremendous guilt 490 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,120 about all the things that white people had done. You know, from 491 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,040 some fucking over the Indians to the whole civil rights movement. 492 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,560 And I felt a much closer affinity 493 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,000 to culture and people of colour 494 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,760 than I did to white culture in a way. 495 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,480 Disenfranchised youth creating 496 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,000 really beautiful, urgent messages of, like, self-identity. 497 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,720 Way before Instagram. 498 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,800 You know, I like to call it Insta-damn, 499 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,400 because Insta-damn was like, "Damn, look at that!" 500 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,520 I, Ronald Reagan, do solemnly swear. 501 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,760 I, Ronald Reagan, do solemnly swear... 502 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:42,480 When Ronald Reagan was elected president, everybody was shocked 503 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,480 and we were all completely convinced that Reagan was going to start 504 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,400 a nuclear war with Russia. 505 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,120 We must remain constant in preserving the nuclear deterrent and 506 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,840 maintaining a solid capability for flexible response. 507 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040 So why not just keep creating and making art and live for the moment? 508 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,000 Because the moment may not last much longer. 509 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,560 Current technology has attained a level of sophistication 510 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,160 where it's reasonable for us to begin this effort. 511 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,040 Religion and morality are indispensable supports. 512 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,960 He was saying these absurd things, you know, that Vietnam, 513 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,040 the only mistake we made was not winning. 514 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,880 And so I made these headlines, many of which were about Reagan. 515 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,400 Cutting up headlines from The New York Post and rearranging them 516 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,800 to create new news. 517 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,120 One of them was, "Reagan slain by hero cop." 518 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,360 Another one was, "Pope killed for freed hostage." 519 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,960 This was during the time of the Iran hostage crisis. 520 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920 The famed Times Square Show, 521 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,800 organised by collaborative projects, 522 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,760 is the first time that the art world acknowledged 523 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,960 that this underground existed. 524 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,400 DISTANT CHEERING 525 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,960 The art world is very unpenetrable at that time. 526 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,280 The velvet ropes are there and you don't want just anyone 527 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,880 crashing those velvet robes. 528 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,760 The Times Square Extravaganza on 41st Street. 529 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,880 There was starting to be this whole 530 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,760 movement in New York of people 531 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,440 trying to do things outside of the regular 532 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,640 gallery system. 533 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,080 Collaboratively Colab gave a platform for artists to come and 534 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,600 either be whack, or be all that. 535 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,440 I had done an installation of the Xeroxes of these letters 536 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,040 of the Art Sin Boy piece. 537 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,000 And there were reviews in Artforum and Village Voice 538 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840 and there was a few graffiti artists 539 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,760 had been invited to do things inside. 540 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,720 One of which was Lee, who was one... 541 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,320 The king of graffiti artists at that time. 542 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,360 It was an old... I didn't know it was an old massage parlour. 543 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,280 AKA, you know... 544 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,400 You know, as we used to call it back in the day, whore house. 545 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,640 Four floors, staircases that were practically falling apart. 546 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,240 It was just crazy. 547 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,680 It was pretty wild. 548 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,000 I showed some paintings, like, two or three paintings that I installed 549 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,200 and then Lee Quinones and I did a painting on the front of 550 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,720 the building, a Fab 5 piece which we spray painted. 551 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,080 Keith was a big fan of graffiti. 552 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,480 He was watching trains, looking at tags and things like that. 553 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,080 He was very curious and it was really great to see 554 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,160 that he connected in that spirit of graffiti. 555 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,240 He would see an interesting name, a way it was written. 556 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,880 He had good questions, I had some answers. 557 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,480 And we just became fast friends, like, right away. 558 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,360 It was really a moment where the uptown culture of graffiti 559 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,560 and rap kind of collided with the punk new wave aesthetic. 560 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,520 So that was around the time when Keith kind of went, 561 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,560 "Bing! I'm going to do THIS." 562 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,120 A few days or a few weeks right after the Times Square show, 563 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,960 I just started doing these new flying saucers. 564 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,640 And these animal figures, 565 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,960 which sort of looked like they could have been cows or sheep 566 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,680 or something, but they had very sort of square noses. 567 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,400 So they were animals, but it was symbol for animal and human figures, 568 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,440 they were having sex. 569 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,120 All these sort of scenarios, 570 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,280 that just unfolded in these drawings. 571 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,240 They were really roughly, roughly drawn, cos I hadn't done 572 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,600 anything figurative in a really long time. 573 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,160 And out of these were sort of really born, the entire vocabulary 574 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,920 that came afterward. 575 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,600 And all of a sudden it just totally dawned on me, like, 576 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,560 "What am I doing in school?" I had discovered my own work. 577 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360 So I decided I was going to have a show. 578 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,680 The solo show in New York City at PS 122. 579 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,760 I went over there and I think Keith was there on his own. 580 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,960 And it was absolutely spellbinding. 581 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,600 I mean, it was really, you know, chills went down your spine. 582 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,240 In the space at PS 122, 583 00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:18,920 now the ceilings and walls have been covered 584 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,480 completely with drawings. 585 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,280 And I had been given this space only for, I think, a one-month period. 586 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,160 It became a buzz and everybody wanted to go and see 587 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,080 what it was that, you know. 588 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,320 Everybody wanted to go see it. 589 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,280 And I think that was around the time 590 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,240 when Keith brought Tony to see this work. 591 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,640 How's that? Too tight. I can't turn. 592 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,200 I'll move round more. Move here. 593 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,480 Yeah. There's nothing... 594 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,200 You know, Tony is a very forceful personality. 595 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,800 I've done shows with Picasso, Bacon, everybody. 596 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,000 And I'm like, they're like a dead, dead rat. 597 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,640 I know my crap, please. I know the editors of Vogue. 598 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,600 I know every fucking photographer there is in the world. 599 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,280 David Bailey, I fucking know from 1962, for God's sake. 600 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680 Does any of this mean anything to you? 601 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,160 This is the guy that literally went into the Museum of Modern Art 602 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,440 with a spray paint can and painted, 603 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,080 "Kill lies all" on the most famous Picasso in the world. 604 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,400 Why did you mark up that painting like that? To tell the truth. 605 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,080 To tell the truth? Yes. What does that mean? 606 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,320 To kill all the myths, the myths of art. To tell the truth. 607 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,560 Everyone's like, "Oh, he's the guy. 608 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,520 "He's the guy who defaced Guernica and he's an art dealer?!" 609 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,520 I would go to the Museum of Art just primarily to look at Guernica. 610 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,560 However, the fact that he believed in protests against war 611 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,400 and was committed enough to stand up to what he knew 612 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,720 would be incredible attacks from the art world, I respected that. 613 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:02,040 We went to see the Keith Haring show and the animated line 614 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,880 was so original and so active that it immediately 615 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,600 caught your attention. 616 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,040 It didn't look school trained. 617 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,840 It didn't look qualified. 618 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,600 Tony was one of the first ones to see, um... 619 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,120 ..that it was worth money, 620 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,720 was really going to be worth money. 621 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,000 I caught myself when I would do a double-take and I thought 622 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,280 to myself, "If there's something making me double-take, there 623 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,480 "must be something to it, so I grabbed that." 624 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,760 The other thing that was happening was that I had started to draw 625 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,240 graffiti for the first time on the streets with marker 626 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:46,760 and I started drawing the animal, which more and more looked 627 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,800 like a dog and kept getting referred to as a dog, 628 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,160 and the person crawling on all fours, which then the more I drew it 629 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,040 and the more the proportion of the head got bigger, 630 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,200 the more it got referred to as the baby. 631 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,560 Amongst the graffiti community, placement was a significant thing. 632 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040 And you would place them in unique places 633 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,320 and there was this little crawling baby. 634 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,480 And I was like, "Yo, yeah, that's dope. That's dope. 635 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,760 And then he would just get a cool way, a quick way of doing it. 636 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,000 One day I enter the subway and see an empty black panel 637 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,040 which has been put there to cover an old advertisement. 638 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,520 Immediately I knew that I had to draw on top of this panel. 639 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,360 I mean, it was like a waiting perfect surface. 640 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,320 I knew that I had to go above ground and by chalk. 641 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,760 Keith was not sure about using spray paint. 642 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,360 He was very sensitive, being white. 643 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,520 He didn't want to be this white guy coming into a graffiti space 644 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,560 that was largely people of colour. 645 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,360 He wanted to be a part of it, but in his own unique way. 646 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,000 The deficit in the city and the lack of advertisements 647 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,920 maybe at that time made for a lot of vacancies on those blackboards. 648 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,320 After the first one, I start seeing them everywhere, 649 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,360 and within days I knew what I had discovered here. 650 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,080 I could go back down in the subway, you know, a week later 651 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,440 and the drawing would still be there. 652 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:34,200 The crawling baby, the dog, flying pyramids, computers, 653 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,680 televisions, dancing man. 654 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:45,040 And then every sort of permutation of those sort of things, 655 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,360 turning them into his, like, own vocabulary. 656 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,960 Within a week, people would come up to me. 657 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,000 "I saw this other drawing." "I saw the drawing." 658 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,200 "You're the guy that did the drawing." Blah-blah-blah. 659 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,200 Keith went at it like a bomb. 660 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,880 It wasn't like he just went to one 661 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,160 subway station and did a couple of drawings. 662 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,720 He kind of went throughout the entire city 663 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:12,560 looking for black paper that didn't have the ads on. 664 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,480 He would do over 100 sometimes, in one day. 665 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,840 It would be enormously exhausting. 666 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,640 To take the train, jump out, 667 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,120 and do one, another one, another one, another one. 668 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,840 Go to the next station, all the way to Harlem, all the way back. 669 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,400 I mean, you'd just be dead. 670 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,760 You had to create a lot of work to be seen in a sea 671 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,520 of 10,000 subway trains. 672 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,840 Where the train goes by. 673 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,200 "Brah! brah-brah-brah!" 674 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,080 And you're like, "Whoa, what was that?" And it's a blur of colour. 675 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,760 But here you got the opportunity to have an arrested audience 676 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,000 and they're like, "This is a phenomenon. What's going on?" 677 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,560 He presented his work. 678 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,320 And then he would be interested in what anybody would say about it. 679 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,000 For everybody, I guess. 680 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,200 I mean, I don't get paid to do it, but I do it down here 681 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,120 so lots of people can see it. 682 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,560 Keith had an inherent need to have a dialogue with people. 683 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,440 80, 90% or more of the people using the subways would never go 684 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,240 to the Museum Of Modern Art, would never go to a museum in their life. 685 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,280 So him, this was the museum. 686 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,080 And he knew what he was doing, for crying out loud. 687 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,560 He was sending a photographer around to every place 688 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,960 he did the drawing to photograph every drawing. 689 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,680 I had met the photographer Kwong Chi standing on a street corner, 690 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,960 because he was just so eccentric and absurd-looking that I knew 691 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,720 I had to meet this person. 692 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,720 CAMERA CLICKS 693 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,480 Chi almost immediately saw the potential of what was beginning 694 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,400 to happen here and volunteered to start photographing them. 695 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,480 All of a sudden in Times Square on the main luminescent display, 696 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,160 there was Keith animation with his figures, on the middle 697 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,360 of Times Square. 698 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,080 What did you guys think when you saw that? 699 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,160 We were all, "Yay! Keith." It was great, you know. 700 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,880 Apart from anything else, I think it 701 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,600 was one thing that he felt his parents would definitely appreciate. 702 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,760 You know, that, that is impressive. 703 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,120 I watched it happen for him super-fast, 704 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,760 which was...I was super-happy for him and super-excited, 705 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,800 and at the same time, I'm human, 706 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,720 I was like, "Shit, what about me, everybody?" 707 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,720 WHOOPING AND CHEERING 708 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,920 CROWD CHANT: No more nukes! No more nukes! 709 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640 I had made, with my own money, 710 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,480 20,000 posters to give away at this anti-nuclear rally. 711 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,360 And it was huge. Hundreds of thousands of people. 712 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,160 No more nukes! No more nukes! 713 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,120 He sat with a bunch of young friends to roll them up 714 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,040 with a rubber band and give them away. Roll them up, 715 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,080 rubber band, give them away. Roll them... I mean, all day long. 716 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,000 We all wanted to be in important art galleries and be taken serious. 717 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,640 But Keith had a particular goal beyond that. 718 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,880 He wanted to be seen as a political activist in his paintings. 719 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,000 I was now at a point where I was realising the potential 720 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,800 of images and how much power 721 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,560 they had to speak almost as a language. 722 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,240 I moved in with Samantha, who Kenny's girlfriend, 723 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,120 but we'd become really good friends by this point. 724 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,080 She has found an apartment on Broome Street. 725 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,160 At this point, I meet Juan Dubose at St Marks Baths and have great sex 726 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,000 and just decide this is the right person. I mean, he's black, 727 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,720 he's really thin, his dick is the same size as me. 728 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,760 We decide that he should move in 729 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,000 and we buy a tent, because Samantha has got to walk through our room 730 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,840 to get... Oh, I see. So we have this huge indoor tent so that 731 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,440 we have privacy. 732 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,840 And also what is starting to happen for the first time, 733 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,480 people are starting to be interested in buying the work. 734 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,840 They come to the apartment and start to buy things. 735 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,440 This man from London comes to the studio and buys a group 736 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,720 of about ten drawings. 737 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,920 I mean, it's the first time I have got over $1,000 in my hand, 738 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,880 and for the first time in my life 739 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,400 realising that I can live off of being an artist. 740 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,120 I was sitting at the kitchen table when he came in. 741 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,840 I don't know if I was having lunch or what. 742 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,560 And all of a sudden he reached his pocket and he took out 743 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,680 some hundred dollar bills and laid them on the table. 744 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,120 I said, "What's that?" He said, "Mom, I'm making money on my art." 745 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,720 And I said, "Well, don't you need it? I know it's expensive to live 746 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,880 "in the city and you need to buy things and you need supplies." 747 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,640 He said, "I'm doing pretty good, Mom, and I want to start repaying 748 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,240 "you for all you've given me over the years." 749 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:21,240 That's when I realised that some of the people do like his art. 750 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:25,720 What happened was up until that moment, it was like 751 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,360 "All for one, "all for art" 752 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,680 and then all of a sudden there was like, "Oh, wait 753 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,680 "a second, someone's making money. I'm going to get left behind." 754 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,080 It was always competitive, but in a fun way. 755 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,400 And then all of a sudden it became a different kind of competition. 756 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,520 I'm starting to have dealers sort of fight over me. 757 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,280 Collectors are asking to come to the apartment and then they want 758 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,160 to haggle over prices or they're people that you don't even 759 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,160 want to talk to them to begin with cos they're sort of creepier 760 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,960 and creepier. Already, they're 761 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,160 trying to rip me off for whatever they can. 762 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,840 It's too distracting from doing the work, which is what 763 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,640 I really want to do. 764 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,840 Tony is in the process of trying to open a gallery. 765 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,880 And so I've decided that I was going to go with Tony. 766 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,800 At that time, I already had told him, "Keith, I mean, think of doing 767 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,960 "something that would last, you know, maybe paintings or something." 768 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,000 "Oh, no, I'm not going to be an old-fashioned painter. 769 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,400 "It's not about that." 770 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,320 I said, "You go and find a way that could be new." 771 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,480 So he did. He left and he came back a day later, super-excited, ran... 772 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,160 "You know, the trucks, the way they cover a truck with tarpaulin 773 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,720 "so the things, they wouldn't fly away?" "Yeah." 774 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,480 He said, "Well, what about that?" I said, "Great." 775 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,920 I ordered a special tarp that was 13 feet square. 776 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,520 It would fit exactly in between the two doorways at Shifrazi. 777 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,840 I was working probably obsessively, constantly every day. Yes. 778 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,320 We covered the floor-to-ceiling with drawings. 779 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,080 CBS News has asked to do 780 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,280 a little story for the Evening News with Dan Rather. 781 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,680 I think it's more important to make a lot of different things and keep 782 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,320 coming up with new images and things that were never made 783 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,160 before than to do one thing and do it well. 784 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,200 They come out fast, but, I mean, it's a fast world. 785 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,880 Everything's organised, everything fitted together. 786 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,840 And the basement make it all black light, so all the paintings had 787 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,800 day-glow green and red and it glowed at night, like psychedelia. 788 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,640 You never saw that before. 789 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,320 When he had his show we went and... 790 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,680 There weren't many there that were dressed like us 791 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,040 or that were as quiet as us 792 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,200 or didn't understand what was going on. 793 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,800 We were definitely the oldest, probably. Yeah. 794 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,360 We weren't there too long. No. 795 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,880 There was every type of person. 796 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,280 People who'd never go to an art gallery opening, they were there. 797 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,920 We got homies from the streets. 798 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,560 Lower East Side, black and Puerto Rican people partying. 799 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,360 You know, it was a different world. 800 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,920 So when those white folks 801 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,160 that just went to the regular art world things would show up 802 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,720 they'd be, like, blown away. 803 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:19,000 I can't get over it. From the south, I'm a southern painter. 804 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,800 Marvellous. Thank you. 805 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,840 Haring has become a hot property. They ooh and they ah... 806 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000 Downstairs is unbelievable. 807 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,880 I want to buy a few of these little wooden things. 808 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,200 ..and they pay plenty. 809 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,280 Within the first few days of the show, about a quarter 810 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,040 of a million dollars' worth of his pieces sold. 811 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,520 Not bad for a 24-year-old kid from Kutztown. 812 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,560 Literally, it was packed. 813 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,560 CAMERA CLICKS 814 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,800 No-one had ever seen an art opening 815 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,520 in the established art world like this. 816 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,240 We had break dancers and, of course, I'm constantly picking up beer 817 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,040 bottles and mess everywhere. 818 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,640 I mean, nonstop. At six in the morning the music is blasting away, 819 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,480 and they're all drinking, smoking. 820 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,520 And, of course, I see downstairs, 821 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,160 somebody had fallen downstairs, blood. 822 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,200 Somebody's skull had cracked open. 823 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,480 All of a sudden we were like, "Oh, we're big boys now. 824 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,800 "We're like in the big boys' world." 825 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,160 And we started making big boy paintings. 826 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,080 BELL RINGS 827 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,760 When the Great Wall Street bull market began in 1982, it was one 828 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,280 of the markers of New York being different, of New York 829 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,080 having a kind of manic self-confidence. 830 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,600 Just this sense of it's OK to make money. 831 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,520 In fact, it's OK to mainly think about making money. 832 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:56,000 By the way, it wasn't actually that cool to sell stuff in the '70s. 833 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,080 It was, like, thought as being a little bit uncool. 834 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,400 There was a generation in the art world, first of all, 835 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,360 that was supposed to be aloof from all those things, 836 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,800 and suddenly young folks are diving in headfirst, awash in dollars. 837 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,720 There was a big party going on and it was studded with famous 838 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,080 people and the want-to-be famous. 839 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,760 And then bona fide stars like Keith. 840 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,760 There are starting to be offers for exhibitions all over the world. 841 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,680 The demand for the work and the way that I was working in the whole 842 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,960 sort of graffiti performance aspect 843 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,480 made it possible for this whirlwind tour now of going 844 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,880 from place to place. 845 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,600 Keith was an amazing person to watch paint. 846 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,120 I did it many times. 847 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,640 People were very charmed by him, 848 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,480 because he was such a young spirit 849 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,720 and he was so American. 850 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,640 He really represented something, that, you know, this youthful spirit 851 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,600 and energy and the sneakers and the jeans and the being gay 852 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,000 and hanging out and going to clubs. 853 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,160 Keith Haring is a New Yorker... 854 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,600 HE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE 855 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,360 He really was treated like he was a rock star. 856 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,040 On a trip that I happened to go with him on to Japan, 857 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:35,240 all these stewardesses - oh, pardon me - flight attendants from 858 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:39,480 Japan Airlines came chasing him 859 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,640 with roses in their hand, calling his name. 860 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,840 You know, I mean, go figure. 861 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,320 He didn't do a lot of pre-planning on his things. 862 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,320 He just did them. 863 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,440 So Keith had music going mostly all the time. 864 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880 Juan would make all these great mixtapes for Keith. 865 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,440 Music was a big, big part of his life. 866 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,040 A source of inspiration and a... 867 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,680 I don't know. I mean, when you look at Keith's work, it moves. 868 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,600 Some time right in this time, 869 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,640 I begin for the first time to go to Paradise Garage. 870 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,160 I mean, I've never been the same since. 871 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,080 THUMPING MUSIC, CHEERING 872 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,680 At that point, we were going to the Paradise Garage, 873 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,520 which was a big gay disco on the West Side 874 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,320 with the greatest sound system ever known to man. 875 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,480 It was so hot inside just from dancing that people were only 876 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,600 wearing shorts and little outfits and things and sweating 877 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,720 and the music was phenomenal. 878 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:07,080 We went every Saturday and there was no alcohol served at this club, 879 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,560 so everyone was on drugs. 880 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,160 It was 3,000 black people on drugs with Keith and I 881 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,280 and a few others, 882 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,280 but it was mostly a black club. 883 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,560 Many people are on hallucinogenic drugs. 884 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,160 This sort of communal, elevated spiritual experience. 885 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,400 We smoked pot like cigarettes. 886 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,840 SHRIEKING 887 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,120 And that's not counting the mescaline and the acid 888 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,400 and the psilocybin mushrooms. 889 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,000 And the part that they never play up enough in, like, the 890 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,760 Keith Haring story is the drugs. 891 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,880 I always think that a lot of... 892 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,360 ..Keith's vibrations around everything that he drew 893 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,600 was kind of psychedelic. 894 00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,480 On the corner of Houston Street and the Bowery, 895 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,720 where many derelicts and bums hang out, I walk past this wall 896 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,920 almost every day on my way to go to the studio. 897 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,040 I wasn't proclaiming it, but people were saying the handbill walls 898 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,760 all belong to Lee in New York. 899 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,320 So he, out of respect, and out of the generosity 900 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,080 and out of the, just the sweetness that he had as a person, 901 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,760 asked me, "Lee, can I have permission to paint that wall?" 902 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,040 I was like, "Keith, I don't want 903 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,640 "to paint it, because it has a crack in it." 904 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,240 He probably spent a couple hours cleaning all the garbage, 905 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,400 there was just piles of garbage everywhere. 906 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,160 It was a funky, horrible wall. 907 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,760 It was disgusting piece of garbage. 908 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,080 I remember, "Go there, can you help?" I was like, 909 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,120 "Oh, yeah, I'll come later to help you." You know, forget it. 910 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,160 It was the worst crappy thing. 911 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,680 He just got a ladder and paint. 912 00:53:54,680 --> 00:54:00,440 And as Keith did, you don't ask permission. You just do it. 913 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,280 I do this mural in two days or something. 914 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,200 Do this amazing, incredible wall. 915 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,400 I mean, it's glowing, the fluorescent paint is so bright. 916 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,280 And the sun hits this wall and it's just this 917 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,960 incredible sort of monolith standing on the thing. 918 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,760 It was outrageous how powerful it was. 919 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,880 That was a real statement, because he was far enough 920 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,480 along in his career that people would know who he was. 921 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,440 He had done enough of it 922 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,120 that he had a vocabulary that he could work with. 923 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,400 I was formally introduced to this painting here yesterday 924 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,040 when the brother painted it. 925 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,160 We love it, because he all right with us. 926 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,600 But we gonna drink that wine and 927 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,720 wash some windows and keep right on painting. 928 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:45,120 Keep it up and don't interrupt. 929 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,120 Don't stop, chocolate, Kool and The Gang. 930 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,280 Once Basquiat stopped doing work on the street, you couldn't see his 931 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,880 work anywhere except either in a museum or in a gallery. 932 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,960 Keith kept and continued to make his work accessible 933 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,640 at all times. 934 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,840 I've alienated, I suppose, 935 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,600 some people by my meteoric rise to fame. 936 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,320 And there is resentment among other artists that feel 937 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,200 that I have sold out. 938 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,360 There was an article that had come out that said that I still 939 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,280 hadn't sold anything over $10,000, and so someone had written 940 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,520 in huge letters across the whole painting "$9,999." 941 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,200 So it was really, it was too much 942 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,240 to fix up and it was really too obnoxious. 943 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:32,440 And so I went and by myself painted the entire thing silver and destroyed it. 944 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,040 From painting vacant ad spaces in subways to being flown 945 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,320 round the world is quite a leap. 946 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,840 I went to Australia to do several projects. 947 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,720 The National Gallery of Victoria 948 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:52,560 was a huge building with a glass front on it. 949 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,600 I was going to do a painting on this wall. 950 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,520 MUSIC PLAYS ON STEREO 951 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,160 It turned into this major controversy and even 952 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,840 being on the front page, because people there were seeing 953 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,080 it as Aboriginal. 954 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,440 But I was doing what I had been doing in New York and in America 955 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,760 and all over the world. 956 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,560 It just coincidentally was the same 957 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,080 kind of line drawing as the Aboriginals. 958 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,120 Well, the final result was that about a month after I had left, 959 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,560 the centre panel ended up getting a shot put through it. 960 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,520 And so the whole thing had to be removed. 961 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,320 In London I painted Bill T Jones and painting him every inch 962 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,080 of his body, from head-to-toe to the tip of his foreskin, 963 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,920 and then photographed him in all these sort of poses. 964 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,040 I never felt exploited by Keith. 965 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:56,320 There was an article in Rolling Stone magazine talking 966 00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,560 about his Bwana Syndrome. 967 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,440 "Who is this white guy surrounded by all these brown people?" 968 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,040 You know. He was an innocent. 969 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,400 Coming from, like, a white family somewhere in Pennsylvania, you don't 970 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,800 grow up in the same horrible 971 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,160 sort of tenement housing that kids that grew up, you know, 972 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,080 in the Bronx or whatever grew up in. 973 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:29,560 So when you try to assimilate into that culture, you may run 974 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:35,400 into criticism for trying to glorify it for your own gain, 975 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,000 you know, personal gain. 976 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,360 But, in fact, this was never true. 977 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,800 He was empathetic. 978 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,200 At this point, I've made a sufficient amount of money, 979 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,040 which I have a sufficient amount of guilt about and want to sort 980 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,680 of share with my friends. 981 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,360 For my birthday I do my very first Party Of Life. 982 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,880 There was nobody that didn't know who he was. 983 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,560 I mean, he became New York. 984 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,560 The Party Of Life is done for the occasion of my birthday, 985 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,320 but not on my birthday. 986 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,400 And it became the most coveted invitation in New York. 987 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,440 May 16th, Paradise Garage, 1984. 988 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,240 And this is one of those handkerchiefs like the gay boys 989 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,040 like to wear in their back pockets. 990 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,240 Keith's parties were so exuberant. 991 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,640 People were young, healthy, alive, 992 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,560 fantastic bodies. 993 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,600 It was like something you might imagine, you know, 994 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,680 ancient ritual where they've 995 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,680 already pulled the heart out of the slaves. 996 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,440 And then now the sun has come up and it's coming through 997 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,080 Stonehenge just perfectly. 998 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,760 And now we're going to celebrate. 999 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,840 It was very pagan and Keith just embodied that. 1000 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,720 We were inviting just really gorgeous people, this party. 1001 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,520 You know, from street kids to Calvin Klein. 1002 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,000 Anyone who was anyone at that time in New York had found a way to get 1003 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,760 an invitation to this party. 1004 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,480 Diana Ross showed up, which at the Garage was the ultimate highlight. 1005 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,280 And I had just painted a jacket for Madonna. 1006 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,880 I've asked her if she'll sing there 1007 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,280 and she agrees that she'll sing there. 1008 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,720 SHE SINGS INDISTINCTLY 1009 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,360 They didn't take to Madonna. 1010 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:31,720 It's like, "Who is this trashy white girl that can't sing?" 1011 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,240 SHE SINGS INDISTINCTLY 1012 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,600 And we said, "Oh, you know, she doesn't have a great voice." 1013 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,720 He said, "Andy says she's going to be the biggest thing." 1014 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,600 And we said, "Oh, sure, sure." 1015 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,480 Well, Andy was right. 1016 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,520 The parties got bigger and more extravagant and wilder 1017 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,120 and the invitations remained clever. 1018 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,000 Well, this was at the Palladium. 1019 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,360 Huge mob scenes outside, I mean, almost practically closed 1020 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,040 the traffic on 14th Street 1021 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,560 and people having trouble getting in. 1022 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,000 There was just as big a mob at the back door. 1023 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,760 People passing out outside. 1024 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,880 I mean, the whole thing was, again, an incredible event. 1025 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:17,400 He became very big and he became very star struck, 1026 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,400 cos he was a kid from Kutztown, Pennsylvania. 1027 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,640 I mean, I'm in newspapers all across America the next day 1028 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,600 with Brooke Shields at my party. 1029 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,160 Who sings Happy Birthday? Boy George. 1030 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:36,520 I think he became really into it really quick. 1031 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,240 He got well known and then he got around Andy. 1032 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,600 And then everyone started having one name that was around Keith. 1033 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,600 It was, you know, Brooke and Andy 1034 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,600 and Grace, Yoko and Michael. 1035 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,680 We were in the kitchen. 1036 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,880 And I think it was me, Keith, Juan and someone else. 1037 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,480 And the phone rang and Juan picked it up 1038 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,920 and he went, "Oh, oh, OK. OK" 1039 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,960 and he handed it over to Keith and Keith said, "Who is it?" 1040 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,360 And Juan went, "It's Michael." 1041 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,240 Keith went, "It's...it's Michael?" 1042 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,200 And Juan, "It's Michael." So he went, "Hi. Hi." 1043 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,080 And he sort of got the phone and he sort of went, "What's up?" 1044 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:28,000 Having his stuff taken seriously by the art world was one thing, 1045 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,640 but getting to hobnob with everybody on Hollywood Squares 1046 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,920 was like a whole 'nother level of fame that he really relished. 1047 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:42,200 And the conversation goes on for not very long. 1048 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,440 And then he goes, "Oh, my God!" and it's Kerry ringing him 1049 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,600 pretending to be Michael Jackson. 1050 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,280 SHE LAUGHS 1051 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,280 It's so funny! 1052 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:58,040 So Keith was just absolutely livid and slammed the phone down. 1053 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:03,000 All of a sudden he went from being this kid from Kutztown 1054 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,560 to hanging out with Farrah Fawcett. 1055 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,720 Juan was my lover during this time, 1056 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,680 but I was having more opportunity, and especially 1057 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,800 with more travelling, more notoriety and more boys around me 1058 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,440 all the time, I was already starting 1059 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,520 to become less and less true to Juan, really. 1060 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,760 It was hard, cos I was constantly surrounded by temptation. 1061 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,000 And then I meet Juan Rivera. 1062 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,480 There are some people who felt that, you know, once he got famous, 1063 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,840 he abandoned them. 1064 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,400 He'd get upset when people didn't come to his parties. 1065 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,400 He was like, "What? Brooke Shields not showing up?" 1066 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,480 And I remember my wife and I would be like, 1067 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,040 "Why do you care about Brooke Shields? We're here." 1068 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,000 We kept being friends the whole time, but however, I mean, 1069 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,120 certain things, we cannot take the Concorde, most people, 1070 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:56,600 every weekend to go to Paris, you know, so it makes a difference. 1071 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,920 You have a different lifestyle, that's all. 1072 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,440 He was not really a fashion plate, but he started... 1073 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,760 He had a tuxedo with cummerbund. 1074 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,680 He always looked like he was wearing his father's clothes. 1075 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,080 He was never trying to be something that he wasn't. 1076 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:18,040 He was amazed that what he was was around this. 1077 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:24,040 There was something about Andy's sense of art as a business 1078 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,200 that really appealed to Keith and which, you know, had... 1079 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,840 That philosophy did play a role 1080 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,680 in Keith's decision to open the Pop Shop. 1081 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,160 They call it the Pop Shop. From T-shirts to posters, pins and 1082 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,920 pendants to watches. 1083 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,800 It's THE place to pick up, well, 1084 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,320 just about anything from pop art sensation Keith Haring. 1085 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,840 So the Pop Shop was a reaction to... 1086 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:57,080 .."You can only have my work if you have thousands of dollars." 1087 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,160 One of the great things about the image 1088 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,920 is that it can be transferred into any medium. 1089 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,200 It doesn't matter whether the image is reduced 1090 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,240 to one inch by one inch, it'll still hold up. 1091 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,280 I mean, it's definitely art for, um, 1092 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,440 art for the age of mechanical reproduction. 1093 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:21,080 It was, "You can buy a T-shirt and be part of what I'm doing." 1094 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,280 I knew that I was going to get a lot of criticism for it, but I also knew 1095 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,360 that it was the thing that the work was calling for 1096 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,000 and that it had to become. 1097 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,560 It never made money, lots of money, never made money. 1098 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,400 The Pop Shop never made money? Never made money. 1099 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,560 It lost money. What was the point of it, then? 1100 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,160 Everybody could have art. Everybody could be enjoying something. 1101 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,920 But what happened was Keith was accused of selling out. 1102 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,160 Do you think the Pop Shop will in 1103 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,720 any way interfere with Keith Haring, the artist? 1104 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,680 I mean, to me, it's all one and the same thing. 1105 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,080 I mean, to me, the Pop Shop is part of Keith Haring, the artist. 1106 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,680 I co-founded Spy magazine. 1107 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,760 And in the first issue, there was a 1108 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,600 two-page essay, Downhill From Here. 1109 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,480 Here was Keith Haring at the, 1110 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,400 I don't if it was the pinnacle of his success, 1111 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,720 you know, the implication is that you don't have enough worth, 1112 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,760 talent, whatever, to continue this. 1113 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,480 You've gone about as far, and mighty far it is, 1114 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,400 on talent that may not be protean. 1115 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,840 He was not somebody who said, "Oh, never mind. I'm not going 1116 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,320 "to read those reviews. They don't matter." 1117 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,760 He read everything. And, you know, it upset him. 1118 01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,360 Things had seriously changed already in New York, because of this 1119 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,000 new horror of AIDS. 1120 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,320 And little by little, it's building up in the news, calling 1121 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,160 this thing the gay cancer. 1122 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,400 And people around me started to get sick. 1123 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,480 The first person that I knew that died of AIDS was Klaus Nomi, 1124 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,240 who had been around from Club 57 days. 1125 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,840 Doctors are puzzled by the first cases of a highly unusual breakdown 1126 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,800 of the body's immune system. 1127 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:18,840 You would be with your friend, vivacious, cherubic 20-year-old, 1128 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,040 and then you would not see them for a couple of weeks and you run 1129 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,960 into them in the street and it would be like, "What the fuck?" 1130 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,720 You know, all of a sudden they looked like a skeleton. 1131 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,960 And it would happen that fast. 1132 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,720 It starts out as a small purple 1133 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,800 lesion similar to a bruise or insect bite. 1134 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,960 It's called Kaposi's sarcoma 1135 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,320 and it's now on a deadly upsurge among gay men. 1136 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,240 At that point, if you got a bruise, you thought you had KS. 1137 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,160 You thought you were going to die, as a gay man. 1138 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,880 And then there was...there was 1139 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,960 ..the stigma and, and the shame. 1140 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,040 It was so shameful, AIDS, at that point. 1141 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,760 As the rate of new cases rises sharply, mounting evidence focuses 1142 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,160 the search on sexual and blood transmissions. 1143 01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,480 There were doctors who were so frightened that they wouldn't 1144 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,160 even let patients in their office. 1145 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,280 They just would send them down to my office to see them. 1146 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,040 It was like this underlying 1147 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,240 "When is it going to rear its head and who is next?" 1148 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,800 It's just the way that we had to live life at that time. 1149 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,760 We got very myopic about creating, 1150 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,280 doing things and doing things and doing things, 1151 01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:37,200 I think, in a lot of ways to avoid the trauma 1152 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,840 of seeing friends die right and left. 1153 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,840 End of the day, I would go home and as often as not, I would come 1154 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,400 back the next day and there 1155 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,960 would be, like, four new paintings and twenty drawings. 1156 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,080 I was like, "OK." 1157 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,960 He was so prolific that it's just hard to fathom. 1158 01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,720 The idea of going down in the subway and really doing the public stuff 1159 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,480 when you obviously didn't need to was even more important 1160 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:10,640 for me to do it. 1161 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:17,400 The more well-known Keith became, the more that was demanded of him. 1162 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:22,040 And, you know, when I say that I often had to say no, 1163 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,640 it's usually because he said yes to everything. 1164 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,280 You know, he was drawing a logo for somebody or there was a show 1165 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,600 coming up and he needed to create some works on paper. 1166 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,840 I painted Grace Jones for two live performances. 1167 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,680 And I went to Marseilles in France to paint a backdrop 1168 01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,960 for a Roland Petit ballet. 1169 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,680 Did some graphics for some heart pills in Germany, 1170 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,080 designed four watches for Swatch. 1171 01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,120 Every trip coordinated exactly 1172 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,520 to leave after a Saturday night at Paradise Garage, 1173 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,000 so then I don't miss any of my Garage time. 1174 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,200 INDISTINCT CHATTER 1175 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,920 Haring got plenty of publicity. 1176 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,040 West German television pictures of him working 1177 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,800 were seen in East Germany. 1178 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,800 CAMERA CLICKS 1179 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,880 He loved the performative quality of some of his work, 1180 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,840 because he could create in front of an audience. 1181 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,320 He loved people. 1182 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:32,280 He loved children, because they're innocent, they're pure. 1183 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,240 You know, Keith throughout his life 1184 01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,880 found that openness appealing about children 1185 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,320 and appealing about working with children. 1186 01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,560 Don't let your brush sit inside the cup, cos it can get knocked over. 1187 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,240 CityKids brought the teenagers to the project. 1188 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,200 But Keith Haring, an artist known for his work with graffiti, 1189 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,880 brought the inspiration. 1190 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,880 It takes quite a lot to organise 1191 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,520 a paint job by 1,000 teenagers from all over New York. 1192 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,120 Wow! 1193 01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:07,680 The buses just kept unloading, coming from all five boroughs 1194 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,840 in New York City, bringing kids from everywhere. 1195 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,920 I had never really been out of Brooklyn. 1196 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,120 I didn't know people from Queens, I didn't know people from the Bronx. 1197 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:17,960 When you come from poverty, 1198 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,000 sometimes you think that that's all there is. 1199 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,240 Every single person that you see represented on this banner 1200 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:29,000 had a voice, but somebody feeling like your statement 1201 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,360 was important at 16, that changed everything. 1202 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,640 There was this thing that children were comfortable with me 1203 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,240 and I was comfortable with them. 1204 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,640 If you're not sure you come to me and ask me, "Should they be painting 1205 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,760 "with red or green here?" 1206 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,640 And I knew that they can sort of sense honesty in the drawing. 1207 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,120 "Without her, there'd be no me, 1208 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,440 "no you, no liberty. Keyonn." 1209 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,600 That was my statement. 1986. 1210 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,320 I told you I couldn't draw. 1211 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,480 HE LAUGHS 1212 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:11,000 We got to see life different. 1213 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,000 And it gave you the opportunity to go, "Hey, there's more to life 1214 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,040 "than just my everyday. 1215 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,760 "Let's see what else is out here. Let's see what else we can do." 1216 01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:23,680 I got invited by Keith Haring to go up. 1217 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,760 He was doing a mural in Harlem. 1218 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,000 So now it's this world-famous "The Crack is Wack" mural, right? 1219 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,400 It was a nice, like, sunny, summer afternoon day. 1220 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,640 All I can remember is, "This is taking forever. 1221 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,680 "I think this is wack!" 1222 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,880 HE LAUGHS 1223 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,480 It's a sight you can't miss if you live in the neighbourhood 1224 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,760 or you pass 128th Street on the FDR Drive. 1225 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,360 You may have even wondered, "Who did that and why?" 1226 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,040 Graffiti artist Keith Haring did it. 1227 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,960 '86 was sort of the beginning of the crack scene starting in New York. 1228 01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,000 The whole thing was that it was quickly addictive. 1229 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,760 It's a really terrible addiction, 1230 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,040 it's much different than heroin addiction. 1231 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,080 Did you try it? Yeah, I've tried everything, you know. 1232 01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:17,320 When he would have been 27, Keith was showing regularly in galleries 1233 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:22,840 all over the world, and he had his first solo museum show 1234 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,240 at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Bordeaux. 1235 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,640 And that show then would go on to the Stedelijk in Amsterdam. 1236 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,920 I mean, just major, major, major museums. 1237 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,240 Keith was very hurt that during the period when he was having a lot 1238 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,120 of his one-man shows all around the world, 1239 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,720 that MOMA wasn't interested. 1240 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,360 It was, like, falling on deaf ears. 1241 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,520 I still haven't had an exhibition 1242 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,120 in a museum in the United States of any kind of substance. 1243 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,520 We were like, "What the fuck's wrong with these American curators? 1244 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:11,680 "How come they don't get it?" 1245 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:16,360 You know, he was combatted by critics for having a style 1246 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,960 that resembled illustration. 1247 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,040 You could say he had to think about what he was illustrating. 1248 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,000 You know, all the belief systems were being challenged. 1249 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:34,000 It upset him that people just didn't get it. 1250 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,720 They didn't get that he thought art was for everybody. 1251 01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,040 They didn't get that he felt that 1252 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,240 art should be as accessible as possible. 1253 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:50,680 During the summer, I start to notice trouble with my breathing. 1254 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,160 With inspecting every day and waiting to see the purple splotch, 1255 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,000 I found a spot on my leg. 1256 01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:03,440 So I went to a doctor and found out that it was in fact KS, meaning 1257 01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,640 that now I fit exactly the classifications 1258 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,280 of actually having AIDS. 1259 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,560 Now it was going to happen to me. 1260 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,600 And now I had to deal with it. 1261 01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,080 Well, he had no delusions that he was going to be cured 1262 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,480 or that the disease was going to change or anything. 1263 01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,760 He knew it was progressive, he knew he was dying. 1264 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,960 Most people were a little more histrionic and he wasn't. 1265 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,600 He was very collected and very accepting, 1266 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,080 kind of matter-of-fact in dealing with it. 1267 01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,720 And we went over to the side of the river 1268 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,600 and sat and cried and cried and cried. 1269 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,760 But then you can't just, you know, it's like you have to go on, 1270 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,720 you get yourself together, and you realise 1271 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,040 that...this is not the end right there 1272 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,280 and that there's other things. 1273 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,440 And you've got to continue and you've got to figure out 1274 01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:50,440 how you're going to deal with it and confront it and face it. 1275 01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,040 He told us he was HIV positive. 1276 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,280 HE SIGHS 1277 01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,680 And at that time... 1278 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,080 ..we had gone through this with a lot of people. Um... 1279 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,480 ..I mean, a lot. 1280 01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,760 I guess, in a way, it almost felt inevitable. 1281 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:21,040 He had Kaposi's and he used to go to the plastic surgeon, they'd 1282 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,800 remove the one from the face and, you know, the hands. 1283 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,200 And he wouldn't go in the water. 1284 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,720 And I say, "Oh, come on, let's go. Who cares?" 1285 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,640 "No, I have these things. No. Let's go." 1286 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,800 Then he took the T-shirt off and we 1287 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,360 almost fainted, because it's horrible. 1288 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:37,840 You know, it is very painful. 1289 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,640 You have to remember, it's very painful. 1290 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,800 It hurts like shit, you know. 1291 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,200 I started having more and more need to be with intellectual 1292 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,400 companionship to deal with the situation, because it really required 1293 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,000 talking about and trying to figure out exactly what was going on. 1294 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,680 I met this kid, Gil. 1295 01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,400 Turns out that he's straight, 1296 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,960 but we still develop some kind of bond. 1297 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,880 He sort of starts to become my intellectual companion. 1298 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,560 So this photo, I was probably 18 years old. 1299 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:16,320 When I met Keith Haring, you know, I was introduced to a world 1300 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,680 that I did not know existed. 1301 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:25,760 I knew after a while I was the typical quote, unquote, Keith boy. 1302 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,720 For as much as he was attracted to me, 1303 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,080 he never, ever tried to pressure me in any way. 1304 01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,400 You know, his... Our relationship was more brotherly. 1305 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,520 I haven't heard from Juan Dubose for a long time. 1306 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,160 Um, his mother calls me, tells me that he died. 1307 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,720 Telling people that Juan died is in a way telling people 1308 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,080 that I'm going to die. 1309 01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,320 It was very sad. It was an open casket, 1310 01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,680 but Keith is looking and is saying, "Well, I'm next. 1311 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,320 "Soon it'll be me there," you know. 1312 01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,920 And I would drive him to chemo and, uh... 1313 01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:13,080 ..take him to doctors or hospitals and stuff in the evenings to 1314 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,600 do the things that he could do. 1315 01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:22,520 Meanwhile, he's making work and almost more aggressively than before. 1316 01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,480 MUSIC: Nulla In Mundo Pax Sincera by Antonio Vivaldi 1317 01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:29,440 He loved classical music in the end of his life, he listened 1318 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,760 to that all the time, very loud. 1319 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,160 Once Keith got his diagnosis, he basically 1320 01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,840 just ramped up everything. 1321 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,520 He just worked and worked and worked and worked and worked. 1322 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,880 He created so much art. 1323 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,080 MUSIC CONTINUES 1324 01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,400 He travelled like crazy. 1325 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:11,120 You could absolutely paper the wall with the to-do lists that he created 1326 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,200 on a daily basis, sometimes more than one a day. 1327 01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,800 You know, just a checklist of all the things he had to accomplish. 1328 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,840 And I would imagine that 99% of those things were done. 1329 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,720 You know, once he got the diagnosis, 1330 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,760 he pretty much put himself out there. 1331 01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:39,040 He used his art to create attention and awareness. 1332 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,920 CHANTED: Racist, sexist, anti-gay! 1333 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,520 John O'Connor go away! 1334 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,680 Racist, sexist, anti-gay! 1335 01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,240 John O'Connor go away! 1336 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,040 If you don't have money in this city, you can't... 1337 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,400 You know, it's an expensive disease. 1338 01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:52,960 People that can't...you can't 1339 01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,440 money to get your NCT or to get whatever you have, 1340 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:58,680 you know, people just give up. 1341 01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,960 When we discuss a huge action that would cost a lot of money, 1342 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,560 we get all excited about it, but we don't worry, you know, 1343 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,960 "How are going to pay for this thing?" 1344 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,280 We always struggled raising money. 1345 01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:15,080 And rarely had more than $10,000 in the bank. 1346 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,960 And he would come up and he'd say, 1347 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,240 "Peter, I really want to help 1348 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,200 "with this action financially. 1349 01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,560 "Um, could you stop by my studio? 1350 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:31,680 "Um, I kind of have a cash business these days." 1351 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:37,720 And I'd walk from my East Village apartment down to Soho. 1352 01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,520 He'd go off to his little knapsack thing that he'd have in the corner 1353 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:46,720 and he'd come back to me and hand me this huge wad of cash. 1354 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,360 And it would be... It was, almost invariably, 1355 01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:51,960 it was always $10,000. 1356 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,200 I mean, I have always been an incredibly energetic person, 1357 01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,520 and the hardest thing for me is to slow down that process. 1358 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,480 Yeah, I believe that you live while you're living and you live 1359 01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:08,160 as fully and as completely as you can and you deal 1360 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,440 with the future as it comes to you and as it's doled out to you. 1361 01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:18,240 You know, he certainly had some days that were very, very dark. 1362 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,320 And certainly, you know, if you look at the work 1363 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,200 that he created in those last couple of years, there was a great deal 1364 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,040 of darkness in them. 1365 01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,360 It became the hell and horror of it all. 1366 01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:35,040 Like, some of the last paintings he did were really, like, the... 1367 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,240 ..all the beauty is destroyed, 1368 01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,400 all the happiness of it all is gone. 1369 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,720 And now it's just a... 1370 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,600 ..it's kind of like hell. 1371 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,400 Fan mail's starting to pour in from this Rolling Stone article 1372 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,280 in which I have bared my entire life story. 1373 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,200 At this point, I hadn't even 1374 01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,960 told my parents that I was sick yet. 1375 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,040 There was hysteria and fear. 1376 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:03,480 So many people had it, yet nobody was coming out and talking about it, 1377 01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:05,920 especially nobody famous. 1378 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,720 It was very brave of him to do that. 1379 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,480 One of Keith's dear friends 1380 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,160 who lived in Kutztown still 1381 01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:21,880 was having his child baptised soon after Keith's article 1382 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,920 came out in Rolling Stone. 1383 01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,760 There were people who refused to come to church that day 1384 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,840 because Keith was there and they knew he had HIV. 1385 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:37,280 The celebrity invites dried up immediately. 1386 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,840 It seemed overnight he...even remember him mentioning it once, 1387 01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,480 that he... Just that the invitations just stopped. 1388 01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,480 He wasn't invited any more. 1389 01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:53,560 It was hard to watch how he kind of learnt 1390 01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:59,400 that the vapidity of just celebrity for celebrity world. 1391 01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,560 I mean, there was some in the back of his mind, kind of like, 1392 01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:04,960 "You know, I'm sick, I don't know 1393 01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,840 "how long I'll be able to keep this up," 1394 01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,320 but there was never any gloom. 1395 01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,760 He was working and he was joyful that he could work. 1396 01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,400 And it was...it was joy. 1397 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,600 Then I do a mural called Once Upon a Time... Oh, yes. 1398 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,800 ..which is inside the bathrooms of the 1399 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,360 Lesbian And Gay Community Center on 13th Street. 1400 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,640 Wow. 1401 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:43,480 I haven't seen this in 30 years. 1402 01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:49,560 He didn't very often title things. 1403 01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,360 He wanted to just bring home 1404 01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:57,440 the message that, you know, once upon a time it was not 1405 01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:00,840 a death threat to engage in this kind of behaviour. 1406 01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,680 HE CHUCKLES 1407 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,760 I don't know, it doesn't have a feeling of warning. 1408 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,600 And there's nothing in this mural about being sick. 1409 01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,360 I remember Keith kind of being, like, cheeky, kind of like, 1410 01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:21,440 you know, being mischievous, wanting to see what my reaction would be. 1411 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,840 It's basically a love letter from a gay man to other gay men 1412 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:34,120 reminding us of more innocent times in our lives. 1413 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:38,240 MUSIC: Everybody Dance by Chic 1414 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:47,680 Even in the state he was, he was celebrating life up to the very end. 1415 01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:55,960 In fact, he was celebrating it a bit too much. Like, I would say, 1416 01:23:55,960 --> 01:24:00,200 "Keith, I would rather think it's a good idea if you maybe ate 1417 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,440 "healthy, had some of this carrot juice 1418 01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:06,720 "instead of doing a line of coke." 1419 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,760 And he'd be like, "Fuck that." 1420 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,680 You know, "I'm just going to do this 1421 01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,560 "with the candle burning at both ends. Bright... 1422 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,000 "..and not wait for anything." 1423 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,320 You know, I never had any sort of delusions about living 1424 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,760 until I was going to be an old person. 1425 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,080 But there's works that I've created that are going to stay here forever. 1426 01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,640 There's thousands of real people, 1427 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:51,640 not just museums and curators, that have been affected 1428 01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,520 and inspired and taught by the work that I've done. 1429 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,840 So the work is going to live on long past when I'm going to be here. 1430 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,800 I do solemnly swear and promise that I will faithfully perform 1431 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,200 the duties to the best of my abilities, so help me God. 1432 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:11,640 Congratulations, Mr Mayor. 1433 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,440 WHOOPING AND CHEERING 1434 01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:22,640 Keith, in January of 1990, attended the inauguration of Mayor Dinkins, 1435 01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,760 um, in New York City, and the inauguration was held 1436 01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:32,440 outside and he contracted a very, very difficult chest cold. 1437 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,960 It was just like Keith was the Eveready bunny 1438 01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,040 and then the Eveready battery just died. 1439 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:47,520 He had such a wonderful group of very close friends who were coming 1440 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,240 in and out of that apartment. 1441 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,000 You know, it was like Grand Central Station some days. 1442 01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,680 He wasn't in there going, "Oh, my God, this... My life sucks." 1443 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,520 It was almost like he was loving everyone. 1444 01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,600 There was, like, so much... 1445 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,480 Ah, fuck! 1446 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,760 He really loved his friends and all the people that were around him. 1447 01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,040 And he really felt... 1448 01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:20,960 I think he really appreciated that we were all so there for him. 1449 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,360 So Kenny gave him a pad and a pen 1450 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,080 and Keith tried to do the baby. 1451 01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,760 This is the last drawing by Keith. 1452 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:38,240 He struggled so bad. 1453 01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,800 He really wanted to show that he could still do it. 1454 01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,080 And it was really hard for everyone. 1455 01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,720 The nurse woke my parents to tell them that it was in the middle 1456 01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,360 of the night, his kidneys are failing and that means 1457 01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,360 that there's not much time. 1458 01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:05,280 And my parents got into bed with him 1459 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,360 and held him for the hours until he died. 1460 01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:15,560 These are some of Keith's designs with... 1461 01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,680 There, you can see the baby. 1462 01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:25,600 They're a little bit flashy and on the loud side, 1463 01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:26,960 so I don't wear them much. 1464 01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,920 I'm not a flashy, loud guy. 1465 01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:35,640 There was times when he drew in the pictures, he did not 1466 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,840 sign his name, but he would draw a baby in the lower 1467 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,160 right hand corner. 1468 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,120 He always said that the baby was a symbol of life. 1469 01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,640 So, we move to the Keith Haring and we start the bidding here 1470 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,720 at three million two, three million five, 1471 01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,520 three million 800,000 already. 1472 01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,800 At three million 800,000... 1473 01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,760 Four million, at $4 million. 1474 01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,480 Looking for four two, four million and two. 1475 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,200 Four million five. Four seven, I'll take. 1476 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,920 At four million seven and selling. 1477 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,960 At four million and 700,000. 1478 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,000 All done. 1479 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,000 GAVEL THUDS 1480 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:35,320 MUSIC: Saturday by Norma Jean Wright 197071

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