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This programme contains
strong language
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He kind of took New York by storm
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and he was in all the magazines,
before he was 25. Worldwide.
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My philosophy has always been art
really could communicate
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to larger numbers of people, instead
of the elitist group of people
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that could afford it
and, quote, unquote, understand it.
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90% or more of the people
using the subways
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would never go to a museum
of modern art.
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That was around the time
when Keith kind of went,
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"Bing! I'm going to do THIS!"
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The crawling baby, the dog,
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flying pyramids, dancing man,
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turning them into his,
like, own vocabulary.
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I was realising the potential
of images
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and how much power they had
to speak almost as a language.
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Keith had an inherent
need to have a dialogue with people.
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For me, the art market
has very little to do
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with what art is supposed to be.
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I was formally introduced
to this painting here yesterday,
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when the brother painted it.
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We love it, cos he's all right
with us.
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The traditional art world didn't get
that he felt
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that art should be as
accessible as possible.
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It's sort of a romantic idea
of being an artist of the people.
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I just found a way to do it
that was very direct.
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He was so prolific.
I would come back the next day
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and there would be, like,
four new paintings.
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And 20 drawings. OK.
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I think it's more important to keep
coming up with new images
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and things that were never
made before.
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From painting vacant ad spaces
in subways,
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to being flown round the world
is quite a leap.
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I would say Keith had some
of this carrot juice,
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instead of doing a line of coke.
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Live as fully and as
completely as you can
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and deal with the future
as it comes to you.
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He was celebrating life
up to the very end.
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So, this is the eighth day
of August, 1989,
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and I'm speaking with Keith Haring.
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One of the things I want to ask you
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is what kind of a little boy
you were, if you recall.
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I had glasses
from the time I was in second grade,
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so I was already sort of a little,
you know, nerd.
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I mean, I think I was real insecure
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about being last to be picked
for teams.
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My mother was really trying to sort
of mould me
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into something, I suppose.
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# Once upon a once in a while...
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I mean, the pressure to play Little
League, or to go play ball,
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you know, I was really
more interested
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in doing silly creative things,
like inventing a club,
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or arranging some sort of clubhouse.
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# Can't you say you want me to
stay?... #
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I was completely obsessed
with The Monkees,
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to the point where I would buy
teen magazines,
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which were really made
for little girls
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and I would, like, cut out these
pictures of The Monkees,
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especially Davy Jones,
who was the cute young one.
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He certainly was the cutest.
Which was one of the first times,
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I think, that I began to frighten
my parents.
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And you were the eldest
of how many? Of four.
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Yeah, after me they had a girl,
and then after two years
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had another girl
and my third sister was born
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when I was 12 years old.
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Kutztown is a small town.
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What I would call a very
conservative town
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in the heart of Pennsylvania
Dutch country.
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Yeah, I call it sleepy,
because, er...
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..well, just because it's...
There's not much going on.
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And that definitely
was Keith's opinion of it.
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Will you please stop?
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Bang, bang,
bang, bang, bang, bang, bang...
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PHONE RINGS
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..bang, bang, bang...
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I was looking at my Tupperware...
..bang, bang, bang.
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I went to church camp every summer.
Did you?
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I couldn't have been more than 12
when I did a talent show,
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and as my part of the talent show,
I did a strip tease,
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but as a woman.
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SING-SONG: Dah-dah-dah...
you know.
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Oh, my God.
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Out of a cake, which we had
made out of cardboard boxes.
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But, I mean, did you actually strip?
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Well, no, not to nothing.
I mean, this is church camp.
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You know, we'd be driving somewhere
and we'd see hippies
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and people hitchhiking and stuff,
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and I always thought
it was really cool.
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My parents were, you know,
Nixon supporters.
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I mean, I remember distinctly
hearing my mother
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say things about the Beatles.
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Like how they should have sank the
boat on their way over and how...
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I mean, they really weren't part of
the '60s cultural revolution at all.
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Now, talk about your dad.
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He was interested in ham radio.
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Da, d-d-d, d-d-d-d, da-da...
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A lot of times in the beginning
he was doing it with Morse code.
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This sound was something that was
embedded in my head
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from childhood, whatever.
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Da-da-da-da-da-da.
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My father... My father always used
to, always used to tell me...
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..tell me, "This, this is Morse
code.
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"This...this is Morse code."
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We don't have an exact date on this.
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Though I'm pretty sure
it's third grade.
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"When I grow up, I would like to
be an artist in France."
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"The reason is because I like
to draw.
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"I would get my money from
the pictures I would sell."
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"I hope I will be one.
Keith Haring."
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I mean, he was always drawing,
drawing in school
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when he wasn't supposed to be.
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He would draw on any kind
of paper...
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Backs of store lists,
backs of cards.
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Yeah, he was always open
to draw on anything.
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And he found a friend in Kermit,
they both liked to draw.
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We grew up in the same town and two
blocks away from each other.
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A real friendship started, I think,
you know, in grade school.
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And pretty much that's when
we started making...
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..making things together.
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We are standing before
the forces of power
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in the state of Alabama, saying we
ain't going to let nobody
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turn us around.
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Living in the south, my connection
to real world events
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was mostly through Life magazine
and on television.
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# Ring all the bells
and tell all the people
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# Everywhere that the
flower has come
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# Light up the sky with your prayers
of gladness... #
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At 7:30 this evening,
Martin Luther King was shot.
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# Throw off your fears let your
heart beat freely
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# At the sign that a new time is
born... #
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We delivered newspapers on
the same street.
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We were reading
the paper day by day.
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There was a lot of crappy
stuff going on.
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We were talking about it
and it bothered us.
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We will prevail in Vietnam over
the communist aggression.
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# Na na na na, na na na na na
na... #
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Keith, as long as I knew him,
was an activist.
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When Nixon ran for president,
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we found ourselves running around
town with bars of soap,
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putting stuff about Nixon
on buildings.
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In Kutztown, people didn't write on
things that didn't belong to them.
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You know, rolling hills and
cornfields and horse and buggies
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and absolutely no graffiti.
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Keith got interested in that whole
Jesus movement.
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What it illustrated to me
was a kind of a longing
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to be a part of something.
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I guess it was around that time
I discovered smoking pot
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for the first time and that replaced
the whole Jesus thing.
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And loved watching
anti-drug things,
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like on this glass gallas thing.
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If we had a clue...
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..as to where you got
the stuff you took at the...
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Oh.
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Oh, it's falling again, it's...
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They're gonna... They're calling me.
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Get the doctor.
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Showing you the dangers of drugs...
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..which just made me want
to do drugs even more.
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Obviously, they are all able
to blow pot occasionally
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without ill effects.
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Well, almost all of them.
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And acid was around a lot, and
taking a lot of acid and was
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going to concerts and letting my
hair get longer and longer.
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Now, did you draw while
under the influence? Yeah.
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What do you make of that one, Alan?
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Er, smoking pot...
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We were pretty well convinced
he was doing that.
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By this time, I was doing
really stupid drugs...
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Angel dust with my friend,
who was making it.
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The older sisters were scared
of me at that point.
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So my littlest sister became
my friend.
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I was not making judgments of him.
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I was open to him
in a different way.
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He used to take me places, he used
to put me in the stroller
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and push me across town to go
to the public library
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and read books to me.
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I would stand on top of the washing
machine and I would jump
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into his arms and then he would put
me back on the washing machine,
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he'd take a step back and we'd do
it again, and we'd see
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how far away he could get
and I could jump to him.
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But then I got a job in the arts
and crafts centre
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in Pittsburgh.
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Even though I wasn't a student,
I proceeded to use the facilities
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around there to do my own work.
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One of the most important things
in Pittsburgh was that Carnegie
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did the Pierre Alechinsky
retrospective,
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who I had never heard of before
and the work was so close
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to what I was doing.
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You know, it was the first time that
I felt that I was doing something
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that was worth something.
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And then, having seen my work,
this art singer asked me
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if I wanted to have an exhibition.
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So at 20 years old in 1978, I was
having my first show on my own.
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And at one point, on my way
to go to work, I looked down
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and there was a piece of paper that
just had written on top of it,
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"God is a dog," right.
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And I picked it up and turned
it over and the other side said,
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"Jesus is a monkey."
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I have no idea why this was, like,
such a profound thing to me,
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but it triggered a punk attitude.
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I knew that I had to make a break.
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I had reached this plateau
in Pittsburgh.
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That day, I cut my hair very short
and started going to record stores
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and buying all these new bands.
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I knew I had to go to New York,
because that was the only place
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where obviously I was going to find
the intensity that I wanted to find,
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both in terms of the art world
and in terms of my life.
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Also, I was realising,
little by little,
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that I had to sleep with men.
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I had looked into schools and found
this school which seemed incredibly
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interesting to me, which was School
of Visual Arts.
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It worried us that he would be
exposed to things that we try
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to protect children from.
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And we would have no control
over that.
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So, I checked into the YMCA...
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I'm there on my first
night in New York City,
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so I, sort of, ventured out.
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I ended up on Christopher Street
and was like a kid in a candy store.
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It's like gay Disneyland,
or something.
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I was completely mesmerised.
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And I ended up meeting someone
on the pier, going back
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to his apartment and playing around.
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And I ended up deciding
that I should move
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in and be his roommate.
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New York of the late '70s, when
I arrived, when Keith arrived...
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..it was a place a lot of people
were afraid to go to.
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You know, it was downtrodden.
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In 1978, it was bankrupt.
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Good evening.
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New York City was on the brink
of default for most of the day.
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A lot of the buildings
were abandoned.
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It was extremely dangerous,
there was a lot of crime.
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Travellers arriving at New York's
Kennedy Airport today
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were handed pamphlets by off duty
police and firemen,
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depicting New York as Fear City.
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In other words, a good place
to stay away from.
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But there was a great punk rock
music scene,
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and an underground film scene,
and, er...
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..it was the place to be.
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You could get, you know, apartments
in really scary neighbourhoods,
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like Lower East Side, and, you know,
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so you get mugged a couple of times,
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but at the same token, you don't
have to think about paying rent.
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Work maybe a couple days a week
and that paid for everything.
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So we had all this free
time to work on...
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What we really wanted to work
on was our art.
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There was an incredible
amount of freedom,
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and you will trade your own
safety for freedom.
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$1, $1.
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When I was still living in Kutztown,
we would come in and I remember
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the time, it was pouring rain
and all of these hookers ran
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up to our car wearing raincoats
and then opened them up
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with nothing under them, and, like,
stuck it all in the windows
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of the car.
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We were like, "Oh, my God,
we've got to move here."
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It was absolutely full of bums
and drunks and fires.
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Syringes. Basically, when you
were sweeping, you'd sweep syringes
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off the sidewalk.
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That was the Lower East Side, a lot
of syringes, broken syringes.
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We didn't have Whole Foods there on
the corner like there is now.
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Tribute To Gloria Vanderbilt.
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Take one.
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I was in school full-time
with a purpose,
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and in this new environment
and was just working.
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It was all new to me and it was all
very exciting.
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And you were 20? And I was 20, yeah.
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I sort of met some people
very quickly.
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Like, in my drawing class
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I immediately gravitated to this one
girl, who was named Samantha McEwan.
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And he literally sat down right...
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I mean, opposite me, but our knees
touching. And he just went,
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"Can I draw you?"
And that was Keith.
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I had this idea that the students
I was going to meet were going to
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be really special.
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So as soon as I got there,
I was a little disappointed right
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away, because I felt all the kids
I met just seemed the same
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as the suburban ones
that I had known.
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I was in the hallway and I heard
Devo music
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and there's Keith painting himself
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into a corner with these black
strokes, and every
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stroke was to every beat
of the music.
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And he had painted the entire room
and he was at the very end
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and he was standing in the corner
and he was marking this mark.
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And I was like, "Wow!"
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I said, "This is the reason
why I came to New York."
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We just started talking
and we hit it off.
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And I'll never forget, you know,
that moment.
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I think Keith kind of, like, ruled
that school
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from the time he got there.
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I was already starting to sort
of step on some toes.
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I would sometimes take the drawings
and hang them up
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just in the hallways.
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Sometimes they'd stay there.
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One time they got taken down and
torn up in little bits.
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And so what I did was I took
the drawing and hung it back up
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with the torn pieces and said,
"It looked better even like that."
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I mean, I was making a thing,
so I wanted to show them.
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He was self-promoting. He had
made Xeroxes.
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He was handing them out and his
buttons and people were like,
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"You can't do that, that's not what
artists do."
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I met him in the corridor.
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This really tall, lanky guy.
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And he looked like a mix between
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Fred Astaire with Jerry Lewis
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a little bit, you know, like...
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He did put his stuff everywhere
in school.
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There was a Keith something all the
time, you know what I mean?
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Which is funny. I remember one time
on the stairs
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he had put one drawing on each part.
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So you went up and you kept
on seeing these things going up.
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That kind of thing annoyed people.
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I didn't attribute it to
raw ambition.
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I mean, he obviously had a lot
of stuff inside of him.
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I'm not sure he said this.
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Some people have...
I think maybe it was John Lennon.
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A lot of people have things
inside of them
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that they can't get out.
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But in the case of Keith,
he, I mean, he found a channel.
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I really liked the video class
a lot.
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Looking at yourself from outside of
yourself was an incredible
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psychological sort of lesson for me.
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Some of the stuff was actually shot
down in Kutztown.
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No, no, no.
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He'd videotape his mom
in the kitchen...
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Can you please stop?
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..and then take that and splice it
into, you know,
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kind of dirtier stuff that they were
doing in New York.
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Keith...
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..I was looking for my Tupperware
book.
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By this time, my friend Drew Straub
decided that he was going
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to leave Kutztown.
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We decided to get an apartment
together
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and move to the East Village.
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We lived in a tiny apartment
on the third or fourth floor.
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Huge roaches and plywood floors.
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Keith's room was virtually a closet,
but it had, like, a phonograph.
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And, um, he ended up playing, like,
Rock Lobster, 20 hours in a row
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while he would be drawing
in the apartment.
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# We were at a party
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# His ear lobe fell in the deep
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# Someone reached in and grabbed it
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# It was a rock lobster... #
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I was living by coincidence,
I promise, directly across the
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street from the club.
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By the way, if a few people
cruise around here,
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I really can't blame them.
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That doesn't get you uptight,
does it?
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I was living in the middle of the
West Village,
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in the middle of everything that was
going on.
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You couldn't go to the post office
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or the grocery store without
cruising or without being cruised,
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or without being totally aware
of sex somehow.
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New York in 1978 was one big orgy.
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There wasn't a lot of bad things
that could happen if you just went
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crazy and explored every facet that
you ever dreamed of
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without having your old friends
or your family or anyone watching.
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Our best friends were Kenny Scharf
and John Sex.
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And, you know, Kenny Scharf says he
had slept with everyone in the room.
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And John Sex pretty much
got his name that way, too.
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And then Keith and I were along
for that ride also,
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every permutation.
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But I was never... Keith and I were
never attracted to each other,
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so that, that never occurred.
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I discovered backroom bars
with people sort of anonymously
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having sex with whoever
was there at the time,
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which became a way of life for...
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..you know, for a long time.
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And because I was obsessed with sex,
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there were all these drawings of...
Phallic. ..of dicks, tonnes of
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drawings of dicks.
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He did penis wallpaper for our
kitchen.
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It looks like butterflies,
but it's actually penises.
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Three...
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Er. Nn.
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At school, I was studying
semiotics...
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Al. Al.
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..looking at language and picking
it apart and deciphering
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and how meaning attached
itself to things.
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For it isn't man, but the world
that has become abnormal.
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One of our first days in the city,
we ran into this thing called
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the Nova Convention,
which was a sort of festival
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celebrating William Burroughs.
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It was about semiotics and words,
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and it was about cut-ups.
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It was about cutting up text
and putting it back together
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for new meanings.
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And Keith got that.
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Lick.
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Sin.
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No.
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Art. Sin.
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So, I started spending more time
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trying to dissect language and play
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with language and found a stack
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of letters that were printed on,
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sort of, this glossy paper,
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one letter on each page.
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And for whatever reason,
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there were 13 letters in this stack,
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so it was an entire alphabet.
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Took them to my apartment and
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started to rearrange them to make
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whatever words I could
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out of these 13 letters.
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Came up with phrases which became,
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sort of, the basis for this whole
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work, which were, "Art, boy, sin,
as, if, no..."
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No. If no art. No fat if.
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If no art.
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Art if lick.
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Lick fat boys.
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Lick fat boys. Lick fat boys.
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Lick fat...
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No-one in the East Village
had a television set.
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We went out every night.
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That was our entertainment.
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At night-time, I'm becoming part
of the nightclub scene and then
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begin to become part of this scene
at Club 57, a Polish church.
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In the basement of the church,
there was a social hall.
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# I want to see you tonight
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# I want you to walk in the
door... #
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We were really kind of bored
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with the art world as an
elitist place.
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It seemed like it was trying
harder and harder
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to be more and more esoteric and not
want to include the public at large.
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57, Keith and I actually discovered
together, we saw this door open
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and we were like, "What's in there?"
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We'd go in there and there's a
jukebox
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and we look and the music
was really fun.
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It was like Motown, '60s
Go-Go music.
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Put the quarter in and all of a
sudden Ann Magnuson comes out
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from behind the bar and we're all
go-go dancing together.
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And it was just like instant family.
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MUSIC: Strobe Light
by The B-52's
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Club 57 was our way of going to
Hollywood
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without having to go to Hollywood.
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That whole spirit of DIY, we're not
going to be uptown grovelling
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at the feet of corporate entities
for their approval to do anything,
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where we can find another
playground.
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MUSIC CONTINUES
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You arrive in New York City
and you just create
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who you want to be.
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Which was why everybody
was so amazing to be around.
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# Everything I see is red... #
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There was art shows.
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We were dying to get discovered.
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We all wanted this dream
of fame and all this stuff.
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No-one really was paying attention
to what we were doing
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except for each other.
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We had a vaudeville act called
Acts Of Live Art.
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And I remember Keith bringing his
television set and doing
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repetitive, "Art boy sin.
Lick fat boys."
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Keith was already being like a
serious artist,
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even though it was kind of deadpan
and hilarious at the same time.
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Like, people who saw that,
that didn't go over real big.
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It wasn't fun enough for, um,
Club 57.
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What I'm obsessed with at this time
is trying to figure out why
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I'm an artist and if I'm an artist,
why I'm an artist.
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And also becoming aware of and very
interested in what's
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happening on the streets of New York
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and fascinated by the graffiti
that I was seeing.
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Not only big paintings
on the outsides of cars,
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but the incredible calligraphy
which was covering
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the insides of cars.
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It was to compete with advertising
in a certain regard.
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Like, all these companies were just
forcing their products
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in your face all the time.
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It's like we want to force ourselves
in people's faces.
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I started to notice him in my
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neighbourhood in the
Lower East Side.
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He started to come down to get
more acquainted
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with the graffiti writers.
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I felt immediately an affinity to
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the work as if I had known it a
long time.
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Here we go, here we go!
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This incredible pop cartoon
sensibility from kids
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that had grown up watching
cartoons with Technicolour.
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The forms seemed very similar
in a way to the kind of drawings
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that I was doing.
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Even though
I wasn't making letters,
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they're the same kind of volumous,
aggressively fluid lines,
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which were obviously done
really directly with very little
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hesitation, but just really,
really strong.
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He was just so fascinated
by the sense of the energy
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that these young individuals had.
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And I think Keith was very,
you know, like, just drawn to that.
486
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,760
It was a magnet for him.
487
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:46,160
He discovered Puerto Rican boys and
black, black boys, I guess.
488
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,120
It was kind of my penchant, too,
at that point.
489
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,560
As a kid I had this tremendous guilt
490
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,120
about all the things that white
people had done. You know, from
491
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,040
some fucking over the Indians to
the whole civil rights movement.
492
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,560
And I felt a much closer affinity
493
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,000
to culture and people of colour
494
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,760
than I did to white culture in
a way.
495
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,480
Disenfranchised youth creating
496
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,000
really beautiful, urgent
messages of, like, self-identity.
497
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Way before Instagram.
498
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,800
You know, I like to call it
Insta-damn,
499
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,400
because Insta-damn was like,
"Damn, look at that!"
500
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,520
I, Ronald Reagan, do solemnly swear.
501
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,760
I, Ronald Reagan, do solemnly
swear...
502
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:42,480
When Ronald Reagan was elected
president, everybody was shocked
503
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,480
and we were all completely convinced
that Reagan was going to start
504
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,400
a nuclear war with Russia.
505
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,120
We must remain constant in
preserving the nuclear deterrent and
506
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,840
maintaining a solid capability for
flexible response.
507
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
So why not just keep creating and
making art and live for the moment?
508
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,000
Because the moment may not
last much longer.
509
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,560
Current technology has attained
a level of sophistication
510
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,160
where it's reasonable for us
to begin this effort.
511
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,040
Religion and morality are
indispensable supports.
512
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,960
He was saying these absurd things,
you know, that Vietnam,
513
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,040
the only mistake we made was not
winning.
514
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,880
And so I made these headlines,
many of which were about Reagan.
515
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,400
Cutting up headlines from The
New York Post and rearranging them
516
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,800
to create new news.
517
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,120
One of them was, "Reagan slain
by hero cop."
518
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,360
Another one was, "Pope killed
for freed hostage."
519
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,960
This was during the time of
the Iran hostage crisis.
520
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920
The famed Times Square Show,
521
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,800
organised by
collaborative projects,
522
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,760
is the first time that the art world
acknowledged
523
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,960
that this underground existed.
524
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,400
DISTANT CHEERING
525
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,960
The art world is very unpenetrable
at that time.
526
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,280
The velvet ropes are there
and you don't want just anyone
527
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,880
crashing those velvet robes.
528
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,760
The Times Square Extravaganza
on 41st Street.
529
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,880
There was starting to be this whole
530
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,760
movement in New York of people
531
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,440
trying to do things outside
of the regular
532
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,640
gallery system.
533
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,080
Collaboratively Colab gave a
platform for artists to come and
534
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,600
either be whack, or be all that.
535
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,440
I had done an installation
of the Xeroxes of these letters
536
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,040
of the Art Sin Boy piece.
537
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,000
And there were reviews in Artforum
and Village Voice
538
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840
and there was a few graffiti artists
539
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,760
had been invited to do things
inside.
540
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,720
One of which was Lee, who was one...
541
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,320
The king of graffiti artists
at that time.
542
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,360
It was an old... I didn't know
it was an old massage parlour.
543
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,280
AKA, you know...
544
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,400
You know, as we used to call it back
in the day, whore house.
545
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,640
Four floors, staircases
that were practically falling apart.
546
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,240
It was just crazy.
547
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,680
It was pretty wild.
548
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,000
I showed some paintings, like, two
or three paintings that I installed
549
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,200
and then Lee Quinones and I did a
painting on the front of
550
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,720
the building, a Fab 5 piece
which we spray painted.
551
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,080
Keith was a big fan of graffiti.
552
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,480
He was watching trains, looking
at tags and things like that.
553
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,080
He was very curious
and it was really great to see
554
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,160
that he connected in that
spirit of graffiti.
555
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,240
He would see an interesting name,
a way it was written.
556
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,880
He had good questions, I had some
answers.
557
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,480
And we just became fast
friends, like, right away.
558
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,360
It was really a moment where
the uptown culture of graffiti
559
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,560
and rap kind of collided
with the punk new wave aesthetic.
560
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,520
So that was around the time
when Keith kind of went,
561
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,560
"Bing! I'm going to do THIS."
562
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,120
A few days or a few weeks right
after the Times Square show,
563
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,960
I just started doing these
new flying saucers.
564
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,640
And these animal figures,
565
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,960
which sort of looked like they could
have been cows or sheep
566
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,680
or something, but they had very
sort of square noses.
567
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,400
So they were animals, but it was
symbol for animal and human figures,
568
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,440
they were having sex.
569
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,120
All these sort of scenarios,
570
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,280
that just unfolded in these
drawings.
571
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,240
They were really roughly, roughly
drawn, cos I hadn't done
572
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,600
anything figurative in a really long
time.
573
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,160
And out of these were sort of really
born, the entire vocabulary
574
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,920
that came afterward.
575
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,600
And all of a sudden it just totally
dawned on me, like,
576
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,560
"What am I doing in school?"
I had discovered my own work.
577
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360
So I decided I was going
to have a show.
578
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,680
The solo show in New York City
at PS 122.
579
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,760
I went over there and I think
Keith was there on his own.
580
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,960
And it was absolutely spellbinding.
581
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,600
I mean, it was really, you know,
chills went down your spine.
582
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,240
In the space at PS 122,
583
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:18,920
now the ceilings and walls
have been covered
584
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,480
completely with drawings.
585
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,280
And I had been given this space only
for, I think, a one-month period.
586
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,160
It became a buzz and everybody
wanted to go and see
587
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,080
what it was that, you know.
588
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,320
Everybody wanted to go see it.
589
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,280
And I think that was around the time
590
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,240
when Keith brought Tony to see
this work.
591
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,640
How's that? Too tight. I can't turn.
592
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,200
I'll move round more. Move here.
593
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Yeah. There's nothing...
594
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,200
You know, Tony is a very
forceful personality.
595
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,800
I've done shows with Picasso, Bacon,
everybody.
596
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,000
And I'm like, they're like a dead,
dead rat.
597
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,640
I know my crap, please.
I know the editors of Vogue.
598
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,600
I know every fucking photographer
there is in the world.
599
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,280
David Bailey, I fucking know
from 1962, for God's sake.
600
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680
Does any of this mean anything
to you?
601
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,160
This is the guy that literally
went into the Museum of Modern Art
602
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,440
with a spray paint can and painted,
603
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,080
"Kill lies all" on the most famous
Picasso in the world.
604
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,400
Why did you mark up that painting
like that? To tell the truth.
605
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,080
To tell the truth? Yes.
What does that mean?
606
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,320
To kill all the myths, the myths of
art. To tell the truth.
607
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,560
Everyone's like, "Oh, he's the guy.
608
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,520
"He's the guy who defaced Guernica
and he's an art dealer?!"
609
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,520
I would go to the Museum of Art just
primarily to look at Guernica.
610
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,560
However, the fact that he believed
in protests against war
611
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,400
and was committed enough
to stand up to what he knew
612
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,720
would be incredible attacks from the
art world, I respected that.
613
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:02,040
We went to see the Keith Haring
show and the animated line
614
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,880
was so original and so active
that it immediately
615
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,600
caught your attention.
616
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,040
It didn't look school trained.
617
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,840
It didn't look qualified.
618
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,600
Tony was one of the first
ones to see, um...
619
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,120
..that it was worth money,
620
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,720
was really going to be worth money.
621
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,000
I caught myself when I would do
a double-take and I thought
622
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,280
to myself, "If there's something
making me double-take, there
623
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,480
"must be something to it, so I
grabbed that."
624
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,760
The other thing that was happening
was that I had started to draw
625
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,240
graffiti for the first time
on the streets with marker
626
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:46,760
and I started drawing the animal,
which more and more looked
627
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,800
like a dog and kept getting referred
to as a dog,
628
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,160
and the person crawling on all
fours, which then the more I drew it
629
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,040
and the more the proportion of the
head got bigger,
630
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,200
the more it got referred to
as the baby.
631
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,560
Amongst the graffiti community,
placement was a significant thing.
632
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040
And you would place them
in unique places
633
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,320
and there was this little
crawling baby.
634
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,480
And I was like, "Yo, yeah, that's
dope. That's dope.
635
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,760
And then he would just get a cool
way, a quick way of doing it.
636
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,000
One day I enter the subway
and see an empty black panel
637
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,040
which has been put there to cover
an old advertisement.
638
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,520
Immediately I knew that
I had to draw on top of this panel.
639
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,360
I mean, it was like a waiting
perfect surface.
640
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,320
I knew that I had to go
above ground and by chalk.
641
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,760
Keith was not sure
about using spray paint.
642
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,360
He was very sensitive, being white.
643
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,520
He didn't want to be this white guy
coming into a graffiti space
644
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,560
that was largely people of colour.
645
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,360
He wanted to be a part of it, but in
his own unique way.
646
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,000
The deficit in the city
and the lack of advertisements
647
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,920
maybe at that time made for a lot
of vacancies on those blackboards.
648
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,320
After the first one, I start seeing
them everywhere,
649
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,360
and within days I knew
what I had discovered here.
650
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,080
I could go back down in the subway,
you know, a week later
651
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,440
and the drawing would still be
there.
652
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:34,200
The crawling baby, the dog,
flying pyramids, computers,
653
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,680
televisions, dancing man.
654
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:45,040
And then every sort of permutation
of those sort of things,
655
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,360
turning them into his, like,
own vocabulary.
656
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,960
Within a week, people would come
up to me.
657
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,000
"I saw this other drawing."
"I saw the drawing."
658
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,200
"You're the guy that did the
drawing." Blah-blah-blah.
659
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,200
Keith went at it like a bomb.
660
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,880
It wasn't like he just went to one
661
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,160
subway station and did a couple
of drawings.
662
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,720
He kind of went throughout
the entire city
663
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:12,560
looking for black paper
that didn't have the ads on.
664
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,480
He would do over 100 sometimes,
in one day.
665
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,840
It would be enormously exhausting.
666
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,640
To take the train, jump out,
667
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,120
and do one, another one,
another one, another one.
668
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,840
Go to the next station, all the way
to Harlem, all the way back.
669
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,400
I mean, you'd just be dead.
670
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,760
You had to create a lot
of work to be seen in a sea
671
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,520
of 10,000 subway trains.
672
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,840
Where the train goes by.
673
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,200
"Brah! brah-brah-brah!"
674
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,080
And you're like, "Whoa, what was
that?" And it's a blur of colour.
675
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,760
But here you got the opportunity
to have an arrested audience
676
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,000
and they're like, "This is a
phenomenon. What's going on?"
677
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,560
He presented his work.
678
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,320
And then he would be interested
in what anybody would say about it.
679
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,000
For everybody, I guess.
680
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,200
I mean, I don't get paid to do it,
but I do it down here
681
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,120
so lots of people can see it.
682
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,560
Keith had an inherent need to have a
dialogue with people.
683
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,440
80, 90% or more of the people
using the subways would never go
684
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,240
to the Museum Of Modern Art, would
never go to a museum in their life.
685
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,280
So him, this was the museum.
686
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,080
And he knew what he was doing,
for crying out loud.
687
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,560
He was sending a photographer
around to every place
688
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,960
he did the drawing to photograph
every drawing.
689
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,680
I had met the photographer Kwong Chi
standing on a street corner,
690
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,960
because he was just so eccentric
and absurd-looking that I knew
691
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,720
I had to meet this person.
692
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,720
CAMERA CLICKS
693
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,480
Chi almost immediately saw
the potential of what was beginning
694
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,400
to happen here and volunteered
to start photographing them.
695
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,480
All of a sudden in Times Square
on the main luminescent display,
696
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,160
there was Keith animation with his
figures, on the middle
697
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,360
of Times Square.
698
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,080
What did you guys think
when you saw that?
699
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,160
We were all, "Yay! Keith."
It was great, you know.
700
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,880
Apart from anything else, I think it
701
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,600
was one thing that he felt his
parents would definitely appreciate.
702
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,760
You know, that, that is impressive.
703
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,120
I watched it happen for him
super-fast,
704
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,760
which was...I was super-happy for
him and super-excited,
705
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,800
and at the same time, I'm human,
706
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,720
I was like, "Shit, what about me,
everybody?"
707
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,720
WHOOPING AND CHEERING
708
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,920
CROWD CHANT: No more nukes! No more
nukes!
709
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640
I had made, with my own money,
710
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,480
20,000 posters to give away
at this anti-nuclear rally.
711
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,360
And it was huge.
Hundreds of thousands of people.
712
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,160
No more nukes! No more nukes!
713
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,120
He sat with a bunch of young
friends to roll them up
714
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,040
with a rubber band and give
them away. Roll them up,
715
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,080
rubber band, give them away.
Roll them... I mean, all day long.
716
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,000
We all wanted to be in important art
galleries and be taken serious.
717
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,640
But Keith had a particular
goal beyond that.
718
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,880
He wanted to be seen as a political
activist in his paintings.
719
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,000
I was now at a point where I was
realising the potential
720
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,800
of images and how much power
721
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,560
they had to speak almost
as a language.
722
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,240
I moved in with Samantha, who
Kenny's girlfriend,
723
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,120
but we'd become really good friends
by this point.
724
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,080
She has found an apartment
on Broome Street.
725
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,160
At this point, I meet Juan Dubose
at St Marks Baths and have great sex
726
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,000
and just decide this is the right
person. I mean, he's black,
727
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,720
he's really thin, his dick is the
same size as me.
728
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,760
We decide that he should move in
729
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,000
and we buy a tent, because Samantha
has got to walk through our room
730
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,840
to get... Oh, I see. So we have
this huge indoor tent so that
731
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,440
we have privacy.
732
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,840
And also what is starting to happen
for the first time,
733
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,480
people are starting to be interested
in buying the work.
734
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,840
They come to the apartment
and start to buy things.
735
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,440
This man from London comes
to the studio and buys a group
736
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,720
of about ten drawings.
737
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,920
I mean, it's the first time I have
got over $1,000 in my hand,
738
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,880
and for the first time in my life
739
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,400
realising that I can live off of
being an artist.
740
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,120
I was sitting at the kitchen table
when he came in.
741
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,840
I don't know if I was having lunch
or what.
742
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,560
And all of a sudden he reached
his pocket and he took out
743
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,680
some hundred dollar bills
and laid them on the table.
744
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,120
I said, "What's that?" He said,
"Mom, I'm making money on my art."
745
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,720
And I said, "Well, don't you need
it? I know it's expensive to live
746
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,880
"in the city and you need to buy
things and you need supplies."
747
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,640
He said, "I'm doing pretty good,
Mom, and I want to start repaying
748
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,240
"you for all you've given me
over the years."
749
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:21,240
That's when I realised that
some of the people do like his art.
750
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:25,720
What happened was up until that
moment, it was like
751
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,360
"All for one, "all for art"
752
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,680
and then all of a
sudden there was like, "Oh, wait
753
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,680
"a second, someone's making money.
I'm going to get left behind."
754
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,080
It was always competitive,
but in a fun way.
755
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,400
And then all of a sudden it became
a different kind of competition.
756
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,520
I'm starting to have dealers
sort of fight over me.
757
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,280
Collectors are asking to come
to the apartment and then they want
758
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,160
to haggle over prices or they're
people that you don't even
759
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,160
want to talk to them to begin with
cos they're sort of creepier
760
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,960
and creepier. Already, they're
761
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,160
trying to rip me off for whatever
they can.
762
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,840
It's too distracting from doing
the work, which is what
763
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,640
I really want to do.
764
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,840
Tony is in the process of trying
to open a gallery.
765
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,880
And so I've decided that
I was going to go with Tony.
766
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,800
At that time, I already had told
him, "Keith, I mean, think of doing
767
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,960
"something that would last, you
know, maybe paintings or something."
768
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,000
"Oh, no, I'm not going to be
an old-fashioned painter.
769
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,400
"It's not about that."
770
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,320
I said, "You go and find a way that
could be new."
771
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,480
So he did. He left and he came back
a day later, super-excited, ran...
772
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,160
"You know, the trucks, the way they
cover a truck with tarpaulin
773
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,720
"so the things, they wouldn't fly
away?" "Yeah."
774
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,480
He said, "Well, what about that?"
I said, "Great."
775
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,920
I ordered a special tarp
that was 13 feet square.
776
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,520
It would fit exactly in between
the two doorways at Shifrazi.
777
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,840
I was working probably obsessively,
constantly every day. Yes.
778
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,320
We covered the floor-to-ceiling
with drawings.
779
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,080
CBS News has asked to do
780
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,280
a little story for the Evening News
with Dan Rather.
781
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,680
I think it's more important to make
a lot of different things and keep
782
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,320
coming up with new images
and things that were never made
783
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,160
before than to do one thing
and do it well.
784
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,200
They come out fast,
but, I mean, it's a fast world.
785
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,880
Everything's organised,
everything fitted together.
786
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,840
And the basement make it all black
light, so all the paintings had
787
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,800
day-glow green and red and it glowed
at night, like psychedelia.
788
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,640
You never saw that before.
789
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,320
When he had his show we went and...
790
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,680
There weren't many there that
were dressed like us
791
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,040
or that were as quiet as us
792
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,200
or didn't understand what was
going on.
793
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,800
We were definitely the oldest,
probably. Yeah.
794
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,360
We weren't there too long. No.
795
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,880
There was every type of person.
796
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,280
People who'd never go to an art
gallery opening, they were there.
797
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,920
We got homies from the streets.
798
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Lower East Side, black and
Puerto Rican people partying.
799
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,360
You know, it was a different world.
800
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,920
So when those white folks
801
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,160
that just went to the regular art
world things would show up
802
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,720
they'd be, like, blown away.
803
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:19,000
I can't get over it. From the south,
I'm a southern painter.
804
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,800
Marvellous. Thank you.
805
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,840
Haring has become a hot property.
They ooh and they ah...
806
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000
Downstairs is unbelievable.
807
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,880
I want to buy a few of these
little wooden things.
808
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,200
..and they pay plenty.
809
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,280
Within the first few days
of the show, about a quarter
810
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,040
of a million dollars' worth
of his pieces sold.
811
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,520
Not bad for a 24-year-old
kid from Kutztown.
812
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,560
Literally, it was packed.
813
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,560
CAMERA CLICKS
814
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,800
No-one had ever seen an art opening
815
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,520
in the established art world
like this.
816
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,240
We had break dancers and, of course,
I'm constantly picking up beer
817
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,040
bottles and mess everywhere.
818
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,640
I mean, nonstop. At six in the
morning the music is blasting away,
819
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,480
and they're all drinking, smoking.
820
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,520
And, of course, I see downstairs,
821
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,160
somebody had fallen downstairs,
blood.
822
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,200
Somebody's skull had cracked open.
823
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,480
All of a sudden we were like, "Oh,
we're big boys now.
824
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,800
"We're like in the big boys'
world."
825
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,160
And we started making big boy
paintings.
826
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,080
BELL RINGS
827
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,760
When the Great Wall Street bull
market began in 1982, it was one
828
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,280
of the markers of New York
being different, of New York
829
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,080
having a kind of manic
self-confidence.
830
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,600
Just this sense of it's OK
to make money.
831
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,520
In fact, it's OK to mainly think
about making money.
832
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:56,000
By the way, it wasn't actually that
cool to sell stuff in the '70s.
833
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,080
It was, like, thought
as being a little bit uncool.
834
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,400
There was a generation in the art
world, first of all,
835
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,360
that was supposed to be aloof from
all those things,
836
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,800
and suddenly young folks are diving
in headfirst, awash in dollars.
837
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,720
There was a big party going on and
it was studded with famous
838
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,080
people and the want-to-be famous.
839
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,760
And then bona fide stars like Keith.
840
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,760
There are starting to be offers
for exhibitions all over the world.
841
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,680
The demand for the work and the way
that I was working in the whole
842
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,960
sort of graffiti performance aspect
843
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,480
made it possible for this whirlwind
tour now of going
844
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,880
from place to place.
845
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,600
Keith was an amazing person
to watch paint.
846
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,120
I did it many times.
847
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,640
People were very charmed by him,
848
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,480
because he was such a young spirit
849
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,720
and he was so American.
850
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,640
He really represented something,
that, you know, this youthful spirit
851
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,600
and energy and the sneakers
and the jeans and the being gay
852
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,000
and hanging out and going to clubs.
853
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,160
Keith Haring is a New Yorker...
854
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,600
HE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE
855
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,360
He really was treated
like he was a rock star.
856
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,040
On a trip that I happened
to go with him on to Japan,
857
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:35,240
all these stewardesses - oh, pardon
me - flight attendants from
858
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:39,480
Japan Airlines came chasing him
859
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,640
with roses in their hand, calling
his name.
860
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,840
You know, I mean, go figure.
861
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,320
He didn't do a lot of pre-planning
on his things.
862
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,320
He just did them.
863
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,440
So Keith had music going mostly
all the time.
864
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880
Juan would make all these great
mixtapes for Keith.
865
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,440
Music was a big, big part of
his life.
866
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,040
A source of inspiration
and a...
867
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,680
I don't know. I mean, when you look
at Keith's work, it moves.
868
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,600
Some time right in this time,
869
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,640
I begin for the first time
to go to Paradise Garage.
870
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,160
I mean, I've never been the same
since.
871
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,080
THUMPING MUSIC, CHEERING
872
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,680
At that point, we were going
to the Paradise Garage,
873
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,520
which was a big gay disco on the
West Side
874
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,320
with the greatest sound system ever
known to man.
875
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,480
It was so hot inside just from
dancing that people were only
876
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,600
wearing shorts and little outfits
and things and sweating
877
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,720
and the music was phenomenal.
878
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:07,080
We went every Saturday and there was
no alcohol served at this club,
879
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,560
so everyone was on drugs.
880
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,160
It was 3,000 black people on drugs
with Keith and I
881
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,280
and a few others,
882
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,280
but it was mostly a black club.
883
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,560
Many people are on
hallucinogenic drugs.
884
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,160
This sort of communal, elevated
spiritual experience.
885
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,400
We smoked pot like cigarettes.
886
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,840
SHRIEKING
887
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,120
And that's not counting
the mescaline and the acid
888
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,400
and the psilocybin mushrooms.
889
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,000
And the part that they never play
up enough in, like, the
890
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,760
Keith Haring story is the drugs.
891
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,880
I always think that a lot of...
892
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,360
..Keith's vibrations around
everything that he drew
893
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,600
was kind of psychedelic.
894
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,480
On the corner of Houston Street
and the Bowery,
895
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,720
where many derelicts and bums
hang out, I walk past this wall
896
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,920
almost every day on my way to go
to the studio.
897
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,040
I wasn't proclaiming it, but people
were saying the handbill walls
898
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,760
all belong to Lee in New York.
899
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,320
So he, out of respect,
and out of the generosity
900
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,080
and out of the, just the sweetness
that he had as a person,
901
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,760
asked me, "Lee, can I have
permission to paint that wall?"
902
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,040
I was like, "Keith, I don't want
903
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,640
"to paint it, because it has a
crack in it."
904
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,240
He probably spent a couple hours
cleaning all the garbage,
905
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,400
there was just piles of garbage
everywhere.
906
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,160
It was a funky, horrible wall.
907
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,760
It was disgusting piece of garbage.
908
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,080
I remember, "Go there, can you
help?" I was like,
909
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,120
"Oh, yeah, I'll come later to help
you." You know, forget it.
910
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,160
It was the worst crappy thing.
911
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,680
He just got a ladder and paint.
912
00:53:54,680 --> 00:54:00,440
And as Keith did, you don't ask
permission. You just do it.
913
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,280
I do this mural in two days or
something.
914
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,200
Do this amazing, incredible wall.
915
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,400
I mean, it's glowing, the
fluorescent paint is so bright.
916
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,280
And the sun hits this wall and it's
just this
917
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,960
incredible sort of monolith
standing on the thing.
918
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,760
It was outrageous how powerful
it was.
919
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,880
That was a real statement,
because he was far enough
920
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,480
along in his career that people
would know who he was.
921
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,440
He had done enough of it
922
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,120
that he had a vocabulary
that he could work with.
923
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,400
I was formally introduced
to this painting here yesterday
924
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,040
when the brother painted it.
925
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,160
We love it, because he all
right with us.
926
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,600
But we gonna drink that wine and
927
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,720
wash some windows and keep right
on painting.
928
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:45,120
Keep it up and don't interrupt.
929
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,120
Don't stop, chocolate, Kool and The
Gang.
930
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,280
Once Basquiat stopped doing work on
the street, you couldn't see his
931
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,880
work anywhere except either in a
museum or in a gallery.
932
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,960
Keith kept and continued
to make his work accessible
933
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,640
at all times.
934
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,840
I've alienated, I suppose,
935
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,600
some people by my meteoric
rise to fame.
936
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,320
And there is resentment
among other artists that feel
937
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,200
that I have sold out.
938
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,360
There was an article that had
come out that said that I still
939
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,280
hadn't sold anything over $10,000,
and so someone had written
940
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,520
in huge letters across the whole
painting "$9,999."
941
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,200
So it was really, it was too much
942
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,240
to fix up and it was really
too obnoxious.
943
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:32,440
And so I went and by myself painted
the entire thing silver and
destroyed it.
944
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,040
From painting vacant ad spaces
in subways to being flown
945
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,320
round the world is quite a leap.
946
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,840
I went to Australia to do
several projects.
947
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,720
The National Gallery of Victoria
948
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:52,560
was a huge building with a glass
front on it.
949
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,600
I was going to do a painting
on this wall.
950
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,520
MUSIC PLAYS ON STEREO
951
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,160
It turned into this major
controversy and even
952
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,840
being on the front page,
because people there were seeing
953
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,080
it as Aboriginal.
954
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,440
But I was doing what I had been
doing in New York and in America
955
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,760
and all over the world.
956
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,560
It just coincidentally was the same
957
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,080
kind of line drawing
as the Aboriginals.
958
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,120
Well, the final result was that
about a month after I had left,
959
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,560
the centre panel ended up getting
a shot put through it.
960
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,520
And so the whole thing had to be
removed.
961
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,320
In London I painted Bill T Jones
and painting him every inch
962
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,080
of his body, from head-to-toe to
the tip of his foreskin,
963
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,920
and then photographed him
in all these sort of poses.
964
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,040
I never felt exploited by Keith.
965
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:56,320
There was an article in
Rolling Stone magazine talking
966
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,560
about his Bwana Syndrome.
967
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,440
"Who is this white guy surrounded
by all these brown people?"
968
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,040
You know. He was an innocent.
969
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,400
Coming from, like, a white family
somewhere in Pennsylvania, you don't
970
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,800
grow up in the same horrible
971
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,160
sort of tenement housing that
kids that grew up, you know,
972
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,080
in the Bronx or whatever grew up in.
973
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:29,560
So when you try to assimilate
into that culture, you may run
974
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:35,400
into criticism for trying
to glorify it for your own gain,
975
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,000
you know, personal gain.
976
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,360
But, in fact, this was never true.
977
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,800
He was empathetic.
978
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,200
At this point, I've made
a sufficient amount of money,
979
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,040
which I have a sufficient amount
of guilt about and want to sort
980
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,680
of share with my friends.
981
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,360
For my birthday I do my very first
Party Of Life.
982
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,880
There was nobody that didn't know
who he was.
983
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,560
I mean, he became New York.
984
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,560
The Party Of Life is done for the
occasion of my birthday,
985
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,320
but not on my birthday.
986
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,400
And it became the most coveted
invitation in New York.
987
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,440
May 16th, Paradise Garage, 1984.
988
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,240
And this is one of those
handkerchiefs like the gay boys
989
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,040
like to wear in their back pockets.
990
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,240
Keith's parties were so exuberant.
991
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,640
People were young, healthy, alive,
992
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,560
fantastic bodies.
993
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,600
It was like something
you might imagine, you know,
994
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,680
ancient ritual where they've
995
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,680
already pulled the heart out of the
slaves.
996
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,440
And then now the sun has come up and
it's coming through
997
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,080
Stonehenge just perfectly.
998
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,760
And now we're going to celebrate.
999
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,840
It was very pagan and Keith just
embodied that.
1000
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,720
We were inviting just really
gorgeous people, this party.
1001
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,520
You know, from street kids to
Calvin Klein.
1002
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,000
Anyone who was anyone at that time
in New York had found a way to get
1003
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,760
an invitation to this party.
1004
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,480
Diana Ross showed up, which at the
Garage was the ultimate highlight.
1005
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,280
And I had just painted a jacket
for Madonna.
1006
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,880
I've asked her if she'll sing there
1007
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,280
and she agrees that she'll
sing there.
1008
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,720
SHE SINGS INDISTINCTLY
1009
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,360
They didn't take to Madonna.
1010
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:31,720
It's like, "Who is this trashy white
girl that can't sing?"
1011
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,240
SHE SINGS INDISTINCTLY
1012
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,600
And we said, "Oh, you know,
she doesn't have a great voice."
1013
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,720
He said, "Andy says she's going to
be the biggest thing."
1014
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,600
And we said, "Oh, sure, sure."
1015
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,480
Well, Andy was right.
1016
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,520
The parties got bigger
and more extravagant and wilder
1017
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,120
and the invitations remained clever.
1018
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,000
Well, this was at the Palladium.
1019
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,360
Huge mob scenes outside, I mean,
almost practically closed
1020
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,040
the traffic on 14th Street
1021
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,560
and people having trouble
getting in.
1022
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,000
There was just as big a mob
at the back door.
1023
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,760
People passing out outside.
1024
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,880
I mean, the whole thing was, again,
an incredible event.
1025
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:17,400
He became very big and he became
very star struck,
1026
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,400
cos he was a kid from Kutztown,
Pennsylvania.
1027
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,640
I mean, I'm in newspapers all across
America the next day
1028
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,600
with Brooke Shields at my party.
1029
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,160
Who sings Happy Birthday?
Boy George.
1030
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:36,520
I think he became really into it
really quick.
1031
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,240
He got well known and then he got
around Andy.
1032
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,600
And then everyone started having one
name that was around Keith.
1033
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,600
It was, you know, Brooke and Andy
1034
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,600
and Grace, Yoko and Michael.
1035
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,680
We were in the kitchen.
1036
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,880
And I think it was me, Keith,
Juan and someone else.
1037
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,480
And the phone rang and Juan
picked it up
1038
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,920
and he went, "Oh, oh, OK. OK"
1039
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,960
and he handed it over to Keith and
Keith said, "Who is it?"
1040
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,360
And Juan went, "It's Michael."
1041
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,240
Keith went, "It's...it's Michael?"
1042
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,200
And Juan, "It's Michael."
So he went, "Hi. Hi."
1043
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,080
And he sort of got the phone and
he sort of went, "What's up?"
1044
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:28,000
Having his stuff taken seriously
by the art world was one thing,
1045
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,640
but getting to hobnob with everybody
on Hollywood Squares
1046
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,920
was like a whole 'nother level of
fame that he really relished.
1047
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:42,200
And the conversation goes on for
not very long.
1048
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,440
And then he goes, "Oh, my God!"
and it's Kerry ringing him
1049
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,600
pretending to be Michael Jackson.
1050
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,280
SHE LAUGHS
1051
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,280
It's so funny!
1052
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:58,040
So Keith was just absolutely livid
and slammed the phone down.
1053
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:03,000
All of a sudden he went
from being this kid from Kutztown
1054
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,560
to hanging out with Farrah Fawcett.
1055
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,720
Juan was my lover during this time,
1056
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,680
but I was having more
opportunity, and especially
1057
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,800
with more travelling, more notoriety
and more boys around me
1058
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,440
all the time, I was already starting
1059
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,520
to become less and less true
to Juan, really.
1060
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,760
It was hard, cos I was
constantly surrounded by temptation.
1061
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,000
And then I meet Juan Rivera.
1062
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,480
There are some people who felt that,
you know, once he got famous,
1063
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,840
he abandoned them.
1064
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,400
He'd get upset when people
didn't come to his parties.
1065
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,400
He was like, "What? Brooke Shields
not showing up?"
1066
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,480
And I remember my wife
and I would be like,
1067
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,040
"Why do you care about
Brooke Shields? We're here."
1068
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,000
We kept being friends
the whole time, but however, I mean,
1069
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,120
certain things, we cannot take the
Concorde, most people,
1070
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:56,600
every weekend to go to Paris,
you know, so it makes a difference.
1071
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,920
You have a different lifestyle,
that's all.
1072
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,440
He was not really a fashion plate,
but he started...
1073
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,760
He had a tuxedo with cummerbund.
1074
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,680
He always looked like he was wearing
his father's clothes.
1075
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,080
He was never trying to be something
that he wasn't.
1076
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:18,040
He was amazed that what
he was was around this.
1077
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:24,040
There was something about Andy's
sense of art as a business
1078
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,200
that really appealed to Keith
and which, you know, had...
1079
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,840
That philosophy did play a role
1080
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,680
in Keith's decision to open
the Pop Shop.
1081
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,160
They call it the Pop Shop. From
T-shirts to posters, pins and
1082
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,920
pendants to watches.
1083
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,800
It's THE place to pick up, well,
1084
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,320
just about anything from pop art
sensation Keith Haring.
1085
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,840
So the Pop Shop was a reaction to...
1086
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:57,080
.."You can only have my work
if you have thousands of dollars."
1087
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,160
One of the great things
about the image
1088
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,920
is that it can be transferred
into any medium.
1089
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,200
It doesn't matter whether
the image is reduced
1090
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,240
to one inch by one inch,
it'll still hold up.
1091
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,280
I mean, it's definitely art for, um,
1092
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,440
art for the age of mechanical
reproduction.
1093
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:21,080
It was, "You can buy a T-shirt
and be part of what I'm doing."
1094
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,280
I knew that I was going to get a lot
of criticism for it, but I also knew
1095
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,360
that it was the thing that the work
was calling for
1096
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,000
and that it had to become.
1097
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,560
It never made money, lots of
money, never made money.
1098
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,400
The Pop Shop never made money?
Never made money.
1099
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,560
It lost money. What was the point of
it, then?
1100
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,160
Everybody could have art. Everybody
could be enjoying something.
1101
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,920
But what happened was Keith was
accused of selling out.
1102
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,160
Do you think the Pop Shop will in
1103
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,720
any way interfere with Keith
Haring, the artist?
1104
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,680
I mean, to me, it's all one and
the same thing.
1105
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,080
I mean, to me, the Pop Shop is part
of Keith Haring, the artist.
1106
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,680
I co-founded Spy magazine.
1107
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,760
And in the first issue, there was a
1108
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,600
two-page essay, Downhill From Here.
1109
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,480
Here was Keith Haring at the,
1110
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,400
I don't if it was the pinnacle of
his success,
1111
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,720
you know, the implication is that
you don't have enough worth,
1112
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,760
talent, whatever, to continue this.
1113
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,480
You've gone about as far,
and mighty far it is,
1114
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,400
on talent that may not be protean.
1115
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,840
He was not somebody who said,
"Oh, never mind. I'm not going
1116
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,320
"to read those reviews.
They don't matter."
1117
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,760
He read everything.
And, you know, it upset him.
1118
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,360
Things had seriously changed
already in New York, because of this
1119
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,000
new horror of AIDS.
1120
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,320
And little by little, it's building
up in the news, calling
1121
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,160
this thing the gay cancer.
1122
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,400
And people around me started
to get sick.
1123
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,480
The first person that I knew
that died of AIDS was Klaus Nomi,
1124
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,240
who had been around from
Club 57 days.
1125
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,840
Doctors are puzzled by the first
cases of a highly unusual breakdown
1126
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,800
of the body's immune system.
1127
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:18,840
You would be with your friend,
vivacious, cherubic 20-year-old,
1128
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,040
and then you would not see them
for a couple of weeks and you run
1129
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,960
into them in the street and it
would be like, "What the fuck?"
1130
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,720
You know, all of a sudden
they looked like a skeleton.
1131
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,960
And it would happen that fast.
1132
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,720
It starts out as a small purple
1133
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,800
lesion similar to a bruise
or insect bite.
1134
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,960
It's called Kaposi's sarcoma
1135
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,320
and it's now on a deadly upsurge
among gay men.
1136
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,240
At that point, if you got a bruise,
you thought you had KS.
1137
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,160
You thought you were going to die,
as a gay man.
1138
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,880
And then there was...there was
1139
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,960
..the stigma and, and the shame.
1140
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,040
It was so shameful, AIDS, at that
point.
1141
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,760
As the rate of new cases rises
sharply, mounting evidence focuses
1142
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,160
the search on sexual and
blood transmissions.
1143
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,480
There were doctors who were
so frightened that they wouldn't
1144
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,160
even let patients in their office.
1145
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,280
They just would send them
down to my office to see them.
1146
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,040
It was like this underlying
1147
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,240
"When is it going to rear its head
and who is next?"
1148
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,800
It's just the way that we had to
live life at that time.
1149
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,760
We got very myopic about creating,
1150
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,280
doing things and doing things
and doing things,
1151
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:37,200
I think, in a lot of ways to avoid
the trauma
1152
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,840
of seeing friends die right
and left.
1153
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,840
End of the day, I would go home
and as often as not, I would come
1154
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,400
back the next day and there
1155
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,960
would be, like, four new paintings
and twenty drawings.
1156
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,080
I was like, "OK."
1157
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,960
He was so prolific that it's just
hard to fathom.
1158
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,720
The idea of going down in the subway
and really doing the public stuff
1159
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,480
when you obviously didn't
need to was even more important
1160
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:10,640
for me to do it.
1161
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:17,400
The more well-known Keith became,
the more that was demanded of him.
1162
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:22,040
And, you know, when I say that
I often had to say no,
1163
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,640
it's usually because he said
yes to everything.
1164
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,280
You know, he was drawing a logo for
somebody or there was a show
1165
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,600
coming up and he needed to create
some works on paper.
1166
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,840
I painted Grace Jones for two
live performances.
1167
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,680
And I went to Marseilles
in France to paint a backdrop
1168
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,960
for a Roland Petit ballet.
1169
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,680
Did some graphics for some
heart pills in Germany,
1170
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,080
designed four watches for Swatch.
1171
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,120
Every trip coordinated exactly
1172
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,520
to leave after a Saturday night
at Paradise Garage,
1173
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,000
so then I don't miss any of my
Garage time.
1174
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,200
INDISTINCT CHATTER
1175
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,920
Haring got plenty of publicity.
1176
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,040
West German television pictures
of him working
1177
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,800
were seen in East Germany.
1178
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,800
CAMERA CLICKS
1179
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,880
He loved the performative quality of
some of his work,
1180
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,840
because he could create in front of
an audience.
1181
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,320
He loved people.
1182
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:32,280
He loved children, because they're
innocent, they're pure.
1183
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,240
You know, Keith throughout his life
1184
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,880
found that openness appealing
about children
1185
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,320
and appealing about working with
children.
1186
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,560
Don't let your brush sit inside the
cup, cos it can get knocked over.
1187
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,240
CityKids brought the teenagers
to the project.
1188
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,200
But Keith Haring, an artist known
for his work with graffiti,
1189
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,880
brought the inspiration.
1190
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,880
It takes quite a lot to organise
1191
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,520
a paint job by 1,000 teenagers
from all over New York.
1192
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,120
Wow!
1193
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:07,680
The buses just kept unloading,
coming from all five boroughs
1194
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,840
in New York City, bringing
kids from everywhere.
1195
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,920
I had never really been
out of Brooklyn.
1196
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,120
I didn't know people from Queens,
I didn't know people from the Bronx.
1197
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:17,960
When you come from poverty,
1198
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,000
sometimes you think that that's
all there is.
1199
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,240
Every single person that you see
represented on this banner
1200
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:29,000
had a voice, but somebody
feeling like your statement
1201
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,360
was important at 16,
that changed everything.
1202
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,640
There was this thing that children
were comfortable with me
1203
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,240
and I was comfortable with them.
1204
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,640
If you're not sure you come to me
and ask me, "Should they be painting
1205
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,760
"with red or green here?"
1206
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,640
And I knew that they can sort of
sense honesty in the drawing.
1207
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,120
"Without her, there'd be no me,
1208
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,440
"no you, no liberty. Keyonn."
1209
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,600
That was my statement. 1986.
1210
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,320
I told you I couldn't draw.
1211
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,480
HE LAUGHS
1212
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:11,000
We got to see life different.
1213
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,000
And it gave you the opportunity
to go, "Hey, there's more to life
1214
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,040
"than just my everyday.
1215
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,760
"Let's see what else is out here.
Let's see what else we can do."
1216
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:23,680
I got invited by Keith Haring
to go up.
1217
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,760
He was doing a mural in Harlem.
1218
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,000
So now it's this world-famous
"The Crack is Wack" mural, right?
1219
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,400
It was a nice, like, sunny,
summer afternoon day.
1220
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,640
All I can remember is,
"This is taking forever.
1221
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,680
"I think this is wack!"
1222
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,880
HE LAUGHS
1223
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,480
It's a sight you can't miss
if you live in the neighbourhood
1224
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,760
or you pass 128th Street
on the FDR Drive.
1225
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,360
You may have even wondered,
"Who did that and why?"
1226
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,040
Graffiti artist Keith Haring did it.
1227
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,960
'86 was sort of the beginning of the
crack scene starting in New York.
1228
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,000
The whole thing was that it was
quickly addictive.
1229
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,760
It's a really terrible addiction,
1230
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,040
it's much different than
heroin addiction.
1231
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,080
Did you try it? Yeah, I've tried
everything, you know.
1232
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:17,320
When he would have been 27, Keith
was showing regularly in galleries
1233
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:22,840
all over the world, and he had his
first solo museum show
1234
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,240
at the Museum of Contemporary Art
in Bordeaux.
1235
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,640
And that show then would go on to
the Stedelijk in Amsterdam.
1236
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,920
I mean, just major,
major, major museums.
1237
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,240
Keith was very hurt that during
the period when he was having a lot
1238
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,120
of his one-man shows all
around the world,
1239
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,720
that MOMA wasn't interested.
1240
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,360
It was, like, falling on deaf ears.
1241
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,520
I still haven't had an exhibition
1242
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,120
in a museum in the United States
of any kind of substance.
1243
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,520
We were like, "What the fuck's
wrong with these American curators?
1244
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:11,680
"How come they don't get it?"
1245
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:16,360
You know, he was combatted
by critics for having a style
1246
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,960
that resembled illustration.
1247
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,040
You could say he had to think
about what he was illustrating.
1248
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,000
You know, all the belief systems
were being challenged.
1249
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:34,000
It upset him that people
just didn't get it.
1250
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,720
They didn't get that he thought art
was for everybody.
1251
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,040
They didn't get that he felt that
1252
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,240
art should be as accessible
as possible.
1253
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:50,680
During the summer, I start
to notice trouble with my breathing.
1254
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,160
With inspecting every day and
waiting to see the purple splotch,
1255
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,000
I found a spot on my leg.
1256
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:03,440
So I went to a doctor and found out
that it was in fact KS, meaning
1257
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,640
that now I fit exactly
the classifications
1258
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,280
of actually having AIDS.
1259
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,560
Now it was going to happen to me.
1260
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,600
And now I had to deal with it.
1261
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,080
Well, he had no delusions
that he was going to be cured
1262
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,480
or that the disease was
going to change or anything.
1263
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,760
He knew it was progressive,
he knew he was dying.
1264
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,960
Most people were a little
more histrionic and he wasn't.
1265
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,600
He was very collected
and very accepting,
1266
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,080
kind of matter-of-fact in dealing
with it.
1267
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,720
And we went over to the side of the
river
1268
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,600
and sat and cried and cried
and cried.
1269
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,760
But then you can't just, you know,
it's like you have to go on,
1270
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,720
you get yourself together, and you
realise
1271
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,040
that...this is not the end
right there
1272
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,280
and that there's other things.
1273
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,440
And you've got to continue
and you've got to figure out
1274
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:50,440
how you're going to deal with it and
confront it and face it.
1275
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,040
He told us he was HIV positive.
1276
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,280
HE SIGHS
1277
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,680
And at that time...
1278
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,080
..we had gone through this with
a lot of people. Um...
1279
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,480
..I mean, a lot.
1280
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,760
I guess, in a way, it almost
felt inevitable.
1281
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:21,040
He had Kaposi's and he used to go
to the plastic surgeon, they'd
1282
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,800
remove the one from the face and,
you know, the hands.
1283
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,200
And he wouldn't go in the water.
1284
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,720
And I say, "Oh, come on, let's go.
Who cares?"
1285
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,640
"No, I have these things.
No. Let's go."
1286
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,800
Then he took the T-shirt off and we
1287
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,360
almost fainted, because it's
horrible.
1288
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:37,840
You know, it is very painful.
1289
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,640
You have to remember,
it's very painful.
1290
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,800
It hurts like shit, you know.
1291
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,200
I started having more and more need
to be with intellectual
1292
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,400
companionship to deal with the
situation, because it really
required
1293
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,000
talking about and trying to figure
out exactly what was going on.
1294
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,680
I met this kid, Gil.
1295
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,400
Turns out that he's straight,
1296
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,960
but we still develop some
kind of bond.
1297
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,880
He sort of starts to become my
intellectual companion.
1298
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,560
So this photo, I was probably
18 years old.
1299
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:16,320
When I met Keith Haring, you know,
I was introduced to a world
1300
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,680
that I did not know existed.
1301
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:25,760
I knew after a while I was the
typical quote, unquote, Keith boy.
1302
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,720
For as much as he was attracted
to me,
1303
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,080
he never, ever tried to pressure me
in any way.
1304
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,400
You know, his... Our relationship
was more brotherly.
1305
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,520
I haven't heard from Juan Dubose
for a long time.
1306
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,160
Um, his mother calls me, tells me
that he died.
1307
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,720
Telling people that Juan died is in
a way telling people
1308
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,080
that I'm going to die.
1309
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,320
It was very sad. It was an open
casket,
1310
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,680
but Keith is looking and is saying,
"Well, I'm next.
1311
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,320
"Soon it'll be me there," you know.
1312
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,920
And I would drive him to chemo
and, uh...
1313
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:13,080
..take him to doctors or hospitals
and stuff in the evenings to
1314
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,600
do the things that he could do.
1315
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:22,520
Meanwhile, he's making work and
almost more aggressively than
before.
1316
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,480
MUSIC: Nulla In Mundo Pax Sincera
by Antonio Vivaldi
1317
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:29,440
He loved classical music in the end
of his life, he listened
1318
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,760
to that all the time, very loud.
1319
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,160
Once Keith got his diagnosis,
he basically
1320
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,840
just ramped up everything.
1321
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,520
He just worked and worked
and worked and worked and worked.
1322
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,880
He created so much art.
1323
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,080
MUSIC CONTINUES
1324
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,400
He travelled like crazy.
1325
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:11,120
You could absolutely paper the wall
with the to-do lists that he created
1326
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,200
on a daily basis, sometimes
more than one a day.
1327
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,800
You know, just a checklist of all
the things he had to accomplish.
1328
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,840
And I would imagine that 99%
of those things were done.
1329
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,720
You know, once he got the diagnosis,
1330
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,760
he pretty much put himself
out there.
1331
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:39,040
He used his art to create attention
and awareness.
1332
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,920
CHANTED: Racist, sexist, anti-gay!
1333
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,520
John O'Connor go away!
1334
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,680
Racist, sexist, anti-gay!
1335
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,240
John O'Connor go away!
1336
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,040
If you don't have money in this
city, you can't...
1337
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,400
You know, it's an expensive disease.
1338
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:52,960
People that can't...you can't
1339
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,440
money to get your NCT or to get
whatever you have,
1340
01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:58,680
you know, people just give up.
1341
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,960
When we discuss a huge action
that would cost a lot of money,
1342
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,560
we get all excited about it,
but we don't worry, you know,
1343
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,960
"How are going to pay
for this thing?"
1344
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,280
We always struggled raising money.
1345
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:15,080
And rarely had more than $10,000
in the bank.
1346
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,960
And he would come up and he'd say,
1347
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,240
"Peter, I really want to help
1348
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,200
"with this action financially.
1349
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,560
"Um, could you stop by my studio?
1350
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:31,680
"Um, I kind of have a cash business
these days."
1351
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:37,720
And I'd walk from my East Village
apartment down to Soho.
1352
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,520
He'd go off to his little knapsack
thing that he'd have in the corner
1353
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:46,720
and he'd come back to me and hand me
this huge wad of cash.
1354
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,360
And it would be... It was, almost
invariably,
1355
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:51,960
it was always $10,000.
1356
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,200
I mean, I have always been
an incredibly energetic person,
1357
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,520
and the hardest thing for me
is to slow down that process.
1358
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,480
Yeah, I believe that you live
while you're living and you live
1359
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:08,160
as fully and as completely
as you can and you deal
1360
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,440
with the future as it comes to you
and as it's doled out to you.
1361
01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:18,240
You know, he certainly had some days
that were very, very dark.
1362
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,320
And certainly, you know,
if you look at the work
1363
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,200
that he created in those last couple
of years, there was a great deal
1364
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,040
of darkness in them.
1365
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,360
It became the hell and horror
of it all.
1366
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:35,040
Like, some of the last paintings
he did were really, like, the...
1367
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,240
..all the beauty is destroyed,
1368
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,400
all the happiness of it all is gone.
1369
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,720
And now it's just a...
1370
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,600
..it's kind of like hell.
1371
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,400
Fan mail's starting to pour in from
this Rolling Stone article
1372
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,280
in which I have bared my entire
life story.
1373
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,200
At this point, I hadn't even
1374
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,960
told my parents that I was sick yet.
1375
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,040
There was hysteria and fear.
1376
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:03,480
So many people had it, yet nobody
was coming out and talking about it,
1377
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:05,920
especially nobody famous.
1378
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,720
It was very brave of him to do that.
1379
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,480
One of Keith's dear friends
1380
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,160
who lived in Kutztown still
1381
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:21,880
was having his child baptised soon
after Keith's article
1382
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,920
came out in Rolling Stone.
1383
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,760
There were people who refused
to come to church that day
1384
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,840
because Keith was there
and they knew he had HIV.
1385
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:37,280
The celebrity invites dried up
immediately.
1386
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,840
It seemed overnight he...even
remember him mentioning it once,
1387
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,480
that he... Just that the invitations
just stopped.
1388
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,480
He wasn't invited any more.
1389
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:53,560
It was hard to watch how he kind
of learnt
1390
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:59,400
that the vapidity of just celebrity
for celebrity world.
1391
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,560
I mean, there was some in the back
of his mind, kind of like,
1392
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:04,960
"You know, I'm sick, I don't know
1393
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,840
"how long I'll be able to
keep this up,"
1394
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,320
but there was never any gloom.
1395
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,760
He was working and he was joyful
that he could work.
1396
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,400
And it was...it was joy.
1397
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,600
Then I do a mural called
Once Upon a Time... Oh, yes.
1398
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,800
..which is inside the bathrooms of
the
1399
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,360
Lesbian And Gay Community Center
on 13th Street.
1400
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,640
Wow.
1401
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:43,480
I haven't seen this in 30 years.
1402
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:49,560
He didn't very often title things.
1403
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,360
He wanted to just bring home
1404
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:57,440
the message that, you know, once
upon a time it was not
1405
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:00,840
a death threat to engage in this
kind of behaviour.
1406
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,680
HE CHUCKLES
1407
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,760
I don't know, it doesn't have a
feeling of warning.
1408
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,600
And there's nothing in this mural
about being sick.
1409
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,360
I remember Keith kind of being,
like, cheeky, kind of like,
1410
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:21,440
you know, being mischievous, wanting
to see what my reaction would be.
1411
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,840
It's basically a love letter
from a gay man to other gay men
1412
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:34,120
reminding us
of more innocent times in our lives.
1413
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:38,240
MUSIC: Everybody Dance
by Chic
1414
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:47,680
Even in the state he was, he was
celebrating life up to the very end.
1415
01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:55,960
In fact, he was celebrating it a bit
too much. Like, I would say,
1416
01:23:55,960 --> 01:24:00,200
"Keith, I would rather think it's a
good idea if you maybe ate
1417
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,440
"healthy, had some of this
carrot juice
1418
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:06,720
"instead of doing a line of coke."
1419
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,760
And he'd be like, "Fuck that."
1420
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,680
You know, "I'm just going to do this
1421
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,560
"with the candle burning
at both ends. Bright...
1422
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,000
"..and not wait for anything."
1423
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,320
You know, I never had any sort of
delusions about living
1424
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,760
until I was going to be
an old person.
1425
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,080
But there's works that I've created
that are going to stay here forever.
1426
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,640
There's thousands of real people,
1427
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:51,640
not just museums and curators, that
have been affected
1428
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,520
and inspired and taught
by the work that I've done.
1429
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,840
So the work is going to live on
long past when I'm going to be here.
1430
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,800
I do solemnly swear and promise
that I will faithfully perform
1431
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,200
the duties to the best
of my abilities, so help me God.
1432
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:11,640
Congratulations, Mr Mayor.
1433
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,440
WHOOPING AND CHEERING
1434
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:22,640
Keith, in January of 1990, attended
the inauguration of Mayor Dinkins,
1435
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,760
um, in New York City,
and the inauguration was held
1436
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:32,440
outside and he contracted a very,
very difficult chest cold.
1437
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,960
It was just like Keith was the
Eveready bunny
1438
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,040
and then the Eveready battery
just died.
1439
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:47,520
He had such a wonderful group of
very close friends who were coming
1440
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,240
in and out of that apartment.
1441
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,000
You know, it was like
Grand Central Station some days.
1442
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,680
He wasn't in there going,
"Oh, my God, this... My life sucks."
1443
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,520
It was almost like he was loving
everyone.
1444
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,600
There was, like, so much...
1445
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,480
Ah, fuck!
1446
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,760
He really loved his friends and all
the people that were around him.
1447
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,040
And he really felt...
1448
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:20,960
I think he really appreciated
that we were all so there for him.
1449
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,360
So Kenny gave him a pad and a pen
1450
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,080
and Keith tried to do the baby.
1451
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,760
This is the last drawing by Keith.
1452
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:38,240
He struggled so bad.
1453
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,800
He really wanted to show
that he could still do it.
1454
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,080
And it was really hard for everyone.
1455
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,720
The nurse woke my parents to tell
them that it was in the middle
1456
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,360
of the night, his kidneys are
failing and that means
1457
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,360
that there's not much time.
1458
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:05,280
And my parents got into bed
with him
1459
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,360
and held him for the hours until
he died.
1460
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:15,560
These are some of Keith's designs
with...
1461
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,680
There, you can see the baby.
1462
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:25,600
They're a little bit flashy
and on the loud side,
1463
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:26,960
so I don't wear them much.
1464
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,920
I'm not a flashy, loud guy.
1465
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:35,640
There was times when he drew
in the pictures, he did not
1466
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,840
sign his name, but he would draw
a baby in the lower
1467
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,160
right hand corner.
1468
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,120
He always said that the baby
was a symbol of life.
1469
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,640
So, we move to the Keith Haring
and we start the bidding here
1470
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,720
at three million two,
three million five,
1471
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,520
three million 800,000 already.
1472
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,800
At three million 800,000...
1473
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,760
Four million, at $4 million.
1474
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,480
Looking for four two, four million
and two.
1475
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,200
Four million five.
Four seven, I'll take.
1476
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,920
At four million seven and selling.
1477
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,960
At four million and 700,000.
1478
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,000
All done.
1479
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,000
GAVEL THUDS
1480
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:35,320
MUSIC: Saturday
by Norma Jean Wright
197071
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