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- I wish I could make you feel safe.
- Canโt you warn him off for me?
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- Drive. Go, go!
- What happened?
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Trust me. Everything's going to be OK.
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I'll see you in Apple Tree Yard.
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Were you there when Mark Costley
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beat and kicked George
Selway to death, Yvonne?
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Ijust don't get why you went to him.
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Costley's effectively pleading
guilty to manslaughter.
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If they accept Costley's plea,
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they still can come
after you for murder.
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That you have brought into your mess!
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You deserve everything you get!
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The first defendant, Mark Liam Costley,
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claimed that he is not responsible
for the killing of George Selway
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because he has a personality disorder.
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What are "special measures"?
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Yes, that's the witness that
needs to retain anonymity.
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- The Ml5 man, yes?
- Yeah.
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I'm asking if you were happy enough
with Mark Costley's mental state?
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It was purely for me to turn him down
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as an unsuitable candidate
for the security services.
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Who are you really?
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You may not be a spook, Mark Costley...
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but one thing's clear...
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You're beautiful.
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you're in love with secrets.
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Life's mysterious...
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Maybe thatโs all we
shared, you and I...
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Trust me.
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...a secret.
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A secret we have to keep.
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Sergeant Johns, the man we have
in the dock here, Mr Costley,
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- do you know him?
- Yes, I worked with him
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throug hout my time at the Crown Estate.
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- On a daily basis?
- That's correct.
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Would you mind describing to the court
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Mark Costley's responsibilities
as a security advisor,
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so far as you understand them?
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Certainly.
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It was his job to ensure
compliance, health and safety,
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any arrangements for special events,
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checking the duty log,
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supervising shifts for
the CCTV monitoring crews,
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that sort of thing.
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And was Mr Costley good at his job?
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Yes, he was, on the whole.
He was very reliable.
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Efficient.
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During the time you worked
with him, until he was arrested,
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did your colleague display any behaviour
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that led to concerns that he
might be unstable psychologically?
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No. He did everything
that was required of him.
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- He was just... normal.
- Normal?
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To talk to, the way he acted.
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Were you aware of any change
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in what you describe as Mark
Costley's "normal" behaviour
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in the days before the
killing of George Selway
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on March the 12th of this year?
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I can't remember any change at all.
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- He seemed... how he always did.
- What about prior to that?
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In November of the previous year,
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when Yvonne Carmichael
told him she'd been raped,
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did you observe any change
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in your colleague Mark Costley's
behaviour at that time?
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No.
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I don't remember any change whatsoever.
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He was just Mark.
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Sergeant Johns, you've told the court
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that you saw no change in
Mark Costleyโs behaviour
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in November of last year.
Is that correct?
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Yes.
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Thatโs not strictly true, is it?
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In respect of Mark
Costleyโs behaviour to you...
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was there a change
in November last year?
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Not really. I don't think so.
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Isn't it the case that, during November
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and into December of last year,
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the two of you had had a
short-lived relationship,
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which ended acrimoniously?
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- No. That's absolutely untrue.
- Which bit?
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That you and Mr Costley were in a
relationship, or that it was over?
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It wasn't a relationship.
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I wouldn't describe it like that at all.
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- How would you describe it?
- I would say...
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Mark propositioned me.
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And had he "propositioned"
you prior to this?
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No.
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So this marked a change in his
behaviour, then, towards you,
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- in November of last year?
- Well, I suppose so.
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I thought that you meant
his general behav...
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You went for drinks with
Mr Costley after work
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on, I believe, three orfour occasions.
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Not that many times.
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- Once or twice.
- Which was it? Once or twice?
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- Twice, maybe.
- Oh, really?
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Well, my information is that
it was at least three times.
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And on the last of these occasions,
in early December of last year,
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you had intimate contact with Mr Costley
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in a Westminster pub
called the Bull And Keg.
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Firstly... the first time we went
out was with a group of people.
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So I would say twice.
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Secondly, the contact
that you're referring to
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was initiated by him and
I told him to stop.
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Immediately?
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Did you ask him to stop
immediately, Sergeant Johns?
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Not immediately. No.
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So perhaps you could take us through
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exactly what happened between
you in the Bull And Keg.
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We'd had a few drinks and Mark...
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Mr Costley had his hand on my knee.
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It was making me uncomfortable.
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Just having his hand on your knee?
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No.
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I have no wish to
embarrass you, Sergeant,
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but can I suggest
that you and Mr Costley
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had been drinking
together since around 6pm?
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He had his hand on your
knee beneath the table.
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At some point, he moved
his hand under your skirt,
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down your tights and
into your underwear...
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where he proceeded, I believe
the appropriate colloquialism is,
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to finger you.
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My Lord, I fail to see how
this is in any way necessary.
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Well, I'm seeking to establish
the fitness of the witness
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to assess the defendant's mental state.
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I'll allow this question.
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But move on swiftly, please, Ms Bonnard.
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Did Mr Costley insert his fingers
into your vagina, Sergeant Johns?
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Yes.
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And did you prevent him from
doing so, or object in any way?
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Not at the time, no.
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So in other words, you and Mr Costley
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had intimate sexual
contact, did you not?
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You know, which in many people's
eyes, constitutes a relationship.
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I told him I didn't like it.
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Was this in the pub?
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No. At work, the next day.
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It was embarrassing.
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I told him I wasn't
interested and, after that,
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he made it clear that he was
giving me the cold shoulder.
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Things got quite hostile
on his part, actually.
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He started ignoring me
in meetings and so on.
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He made it really difficult.
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So, when you told this court...
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that Mr Costley was "just Mark'"...
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in both November of last
year, when Yvonne Carmichael
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sought his advice after
her rape by George Selway
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and in the days immediately preceding
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the killing of George Selway,
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did his "normal" pattern of behaviour
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include the sexual advances towards you
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and his "difficult"
professional behaviour?
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I just meant... the day-to-day.
It was nothing I couldn't handle.
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Is being felt up by a
colleague in the pub normal,
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as far as you're concerned,
Sergeant Johns?
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No! Of course it's not!
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No further questions for
this witness, my Lord.
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No questions, my Lord.
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Thank you, Sergeant Johns.
You may step down.
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Poor Sergeant Johns.
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Two weeks after I told you
what George Selway did to me...
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you were in that pub with her.
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That's how much I mean to you.
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Dr. Sanderson, can you
tell the jury what you do?
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I'm a consultant forensic psychiatrist
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and I've been practising as
such for the last 23 years.
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You conducted an assessment of
Mark Costley while he was on remand.
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- Is that correct?
- That's correct.
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Having examined Mark Costley,
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do you assess him as suffering
from a personality disorder?
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- I do not.
- Why is that?
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An individual with a
personality disorder
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would not possess Mr Costley's
solid work record, for one,
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or his complete lack
of psychiatric history.
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It's also extremely unlikely
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that a personality-disordered
individual
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would hold down a stable marriage,
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let alone a career in the civil service.
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And setting all that aside,
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during my assessment,
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Mr Costley displayed none
of the signs or symptoms
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of a personality disorder.
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What are those?
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Emotional instability.
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Lack of individual identity.
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A pattern of run-ins with the law.
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Suicidal behaviours.
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Addictions of various kinds.
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So...
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during your examination, Mr
Costley displayed none of these?
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No.
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In my expert opinion, he has
difficulty telling the truth.
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But the pursuit of extramarital sex
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and a tendency to embroider the facts
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do not mean that he is mentally unwell.
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Otherwise, half the men in the
country would be seeking treatment.
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Coming now to previous
offences on file...
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Yes. In 2005,
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Mark Costley pleaded
guilty to the charge
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of assault occasioning
actual bodily harm.
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Thank you, Detective
Inspector Cleveland.
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That concludes the case
for the Crown, my Lord.
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I don't know you at all, dol?
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I never did.
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And you are all that's standing
between me and a prison sentence.
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I'm sorry I wasn't
there this afternoon.
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I took Carrie in for a check-up.
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- But everything's OK, isn't it?
- Yes. Yeah.
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- You would tell me if it wasn't?
- Absolutely fine.
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Of course.
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The baby's just not
ready to come out yet.
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All OK this afternoon?
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Yeah.
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Smoke and mirrors, you know?
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You know I love you.
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Stay strong, hm?
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- I'll see you tomorrow, love.
- Bye.
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Good morning, Dr. Carmichael.
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We're getting there.
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Even Ms. Bonnard shouldn't
be able to spin her case out
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- beyond the end of today.
- Really?
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Well, Mr. Costley won't be in the
box, as they're pleading diminished.
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So, er... yeah.
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The... assault that the
prosecution mentioned yesterday,
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that Mark was charged with,
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do you know the details?
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He, er... attacked a
man outside a restaurant
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who was chatting up his wife, I believe.
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Broke his jaw.
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The defence managed
to limit the admission,
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so the jury doesn't know that.
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It won't have exactly improved
their opinion of him, though,
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- hearing he has a conviction.
- Do you think they think it's murder?
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Well, in my experience,
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it's always best not to try and
second-guess what a jury's thinking.
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Hopefully, the defence
psychiatrist Ms. Bonnard is calling
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will help convince the jury that
Mr. Costley is mad, rather than bad.
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Not that we're relying on
his defence, you understand.
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But it would help our case, wouldn't it?
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Diminished responsibility. Manslaughter.
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It would help, certainly.
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When I examined Mark Costley,
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he displayed very highly
developed coping mechanisms,
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considering the situation he
was in, the stress he was under.
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Coping...
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Isn't that the sign of someone who's
psychologically healthy, Dr. Sadiq?
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Not necessarily. Not all patients
with disordered personalities
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have chaotic lives.
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Very intelligent people,
with good support systems,
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they can be what you could
call high-functioning patients.
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Theircoping, in fact, masks
more deep-seated symptoms.
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Could you tell us, Dr. Sadiq,
how a personality disorder
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might be displayed in a patient...
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What did you think of me, the
first time you saw me? Honestly?
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Well...
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I thought...
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I would.
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- Well, you did. Yeah.
- I did.
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So was it just that?
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Seriously, like, "I would"?
260
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No, I just thought...
261
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you seemed to know what you were doing.
262
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No, not like that!
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Well, yes, like that.
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But you seemed...
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right.
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Sound...
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...so, in Mr Costley's
case, he dissociates.
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He detaches from real life
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and creates his own
self-sustaining narrative.
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Forgive me, Doctor. Would you mind
putting that in layperson's terms?
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Sorry.
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Patients like Mr. Costley,
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they make themselves the
hero of their own story,
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almost like they're
in a film, or a book,
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and they're watching themselves
as the main character.
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And to other people, this
tendency to make up stories,
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could it make the sufferer seem
merely... a bit of a fantasist?
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It could look like that,
on the outside, yes.
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But it would represent an
abnormality of mental functioning,
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- is that correct?
- That is correct.
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What happens, Dr Sadiq, when someone
suffering from this type of disorder
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is put in an unusually
stressful situation?
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Well, if their sense
of safety is challenged
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by the loss of their stable environment,
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they decompensate.
286
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Decompensate... What does that mean?
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Act oddly, if you like.
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They might then start
showing chaotic behaviour,
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disturbed behaviour, violent
or self-destructive tendencies.
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- Violent, you say?
- Yes.
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They might lash out,
lose control completely.
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And in an altercation,
Such as we can assume
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took place between George
Selway and Mark Costley...
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- Objection!
- Ms. Bonnard...
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My Lord.
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To be clear, Dr. Sadiq, in a
personality-disordered individual,
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such as the type you're describing,
298
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could an argument or a physical threat
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substantially impair their
ability to keep a grip
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on what a reasonable response might be?
301
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I think so, yes.
302
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Right, so their abnormality
of mental functioning
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would, in this situation,
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affect their ability to
exercise self-control?
305
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Yes, it would.
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Returning to Mark Costley,
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during your examination of him,
what conclusions did you draw?
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I was struck by his almost
inappropriate ability
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to manage this very
stressful situation he was in
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as though he'd found a
different story to tell himself.
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Added to the nature of
the crime he's admitted to,
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his history of risky sexual encounters,
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even his attraction to
the secret service...
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In my opinion, Mark Costley
fits the profile of someone
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with a high-functioning
personality disorder.
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Thank you.
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No questions for the witness, my Lord.
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Dr Sadiq, this theory of yours
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about so-called high-functioning
personality disorders,
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am I correct in saying it formed
the basis of your PhD thesis
321
00:17:25,470 --> 00:17:29,580
- at Kingston University?
- Yes, that's right.
322
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So would it be fair to
say it's your pet theory?
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Well... in a way.
324
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It's certainly a theory I've
done a great deal of work on.
325
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- It explains a lot, in my opinion.
- Indeed.
326
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But isn't it the case that
your theory is countered
327
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by the recognised diagnostic
categorisation systems
328
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- used in psychiatry?
- Well, I wouldn't say countered.
329
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For instance, the Worldwide
Disease Classification Index...
330
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Is high-functioning
personality disorder
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included in the current
manual, Dr Sadiq?
332
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It isn't in WDCI-IO.
333
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But we're hoping, by the
time WDCI-II comes out,
334
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- it'll be included.
- No doubt.
335
00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:14,250
But does high-functioning
personality disorder
336
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appear anywhere in this highly
respected reference work?
337
00:18:21,250 --> 00:18:22,860
Erm...
338
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it isn't yet classified as a
separate diagnosis in the WDCI.
339
00:18:26,620 --> 00:18:31,130
But in WDCI-II, the intention
is to move to a spectrum-based...
340
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Thank you, Dr Sadiq.
341
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In the Biannual Study Papers
Of Mental Disorders, Volume 24,
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dated March 2013,
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there is a specific
refutation of your theory
344
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in an article by Dr Michael Sedora,
345
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an expert in borderline
personality disorders
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of some 22 years' standing.
347
00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:57,420
It's page 72, my Lord, footnote five.
348
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See "Sadiq, Kingston,
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High-Functioning Personality Disorder
350
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And The Disguise Of
Pathological Trait Domains."
351
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:08,660
That is the name of your
PhD thesis, Dr Sadiq?
352
00:19:11,010 --> 00:19:12,030
Dr Sadiq?
353
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,450
Yes, that's right.
354
00:19:17,710 --> 00:19:21,670
"I find no clinical
evidence that the so-called
355
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high-functioning individual
is able to disguise traits
356
00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:29,050
such as compulsivity or antagonism
357
00:19:29,050 --> 00:19:32,510
from family members or
medical professionals."
358
00:19:32,510 --> 00:19:35,350
They're missing the
fundamental point of my thesis,
359
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:39,020
which is that personality is not
a binary concept but a spectrum.
360
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"I discount entirely the existence
of a high-functioning category
361
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separate from the current definition
362
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,690
of personality disorders."
363
00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:49,820
There's a group of
individuals, like Mr Costley,
364
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who have significant
personality pathology,
365
00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:55,010
which may fall short of the current
diagnosis of personality dis...
366
00:19:55,010 --> 00:19:56,420
Fall short?
367
00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:05,410
Indeed.
368
00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:12,070
"A subcategory of high-functioning
personality disorder...
369
00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:15,610
remains unsubsta ntiated."
370
00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,560
No further questions, my Lord.
371
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,360
Mad or bad?
372
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,560
Right now, the jury thinks
you're as sane as I am.
373
00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:36,520
They think you're a murderer.
374
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:23,190
Yeah, OK, I'll come down.
375
00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:28,760
They were a bit worried
because her waters had broken
376
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,650
and nothing was happening,
so they induced her
377
00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:34,960
and it was all fast
and furious after that.
378
00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:37,750
But Carrie's OK? The baby's OK?
379
00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:42,870
- Who does he look like?
- Oh, my nose maybe. Poor bugger!
380
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:48,510
You did tell Carrie that they
wouldn't let me call the hospital?
381
00:21:48,510 --> 00:21:50,470
I'll give her all your love.
382
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:53,750
And Sathnam. She knows you're
thinking about her, love.
383
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:55,200
Oh, God...
384
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:59,170
I really wish I could have been there.
385
00:21:59,170 --> 00:22:00,530
I know.
386
00:22:02,350 --> 00:22:05,130
- Oh, bloody hell!
- Oh, aye, come on, now...
387
00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:06,840
Hm?
388
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,460
Home straight. Just remember
everything Robert's told you
389
00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:13,390
about making a good impression
390
00:22:13,390 --> 00:22:18,050
and we'll get home and
see that baby, yeah?
391
00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:21,650
Yeah.
392
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,980
You will tell Carrie that
I love her, won't you?
393
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,670
- What are they going to call him?
- Oh, I don't think they've decided yet.
394
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,630
I'm keen on Gary Junior.
395
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:42,530
Von, I want to be there tomorrow.
396
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,270
For all of it.
397
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:47,610
When you're questioned.
398
00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:48,990
- But we agreed.
- Yeah.
399
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,620
Yeah. It's important, though.
400
00:22:55,380 --> 00:23:01,090
I've been thinking and I'm so
sorry about all the shite over Rosa.
401
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,790
No more secrets.
402
00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:07,460
Nowhere we can't go together.
403
00:23:08,750 --> 00:23:12,220
That's how all this happened
in the first place, and I just...
404
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:19,280
I just wish you'd been
able to trust me with it.
405
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,140
Oh, I'm sorry.
406
00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:42,420
OK.
407
00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:08,660
What about me?
408
00:24:08,660 --> 00:24:11,150
What did you think the
first time you saw me?
409
00:24:13,030 --> 00:24:14,630
You were just so...
410
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,480
so comfortable in your own world.
411
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:24,300
In that committee room.
412
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:26,210
Just owning it.
413
00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:30,540
I loved that.
414
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:10,550
All rise.
415
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:41,830
Dr Carmichael, can you give us some
idea of the kind of work involved
416
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:44,720
in appearing at a House of
Commons Select Committee?
417
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,650
Erm... well, it doesn't
really involve any extra work,
418
00:25:47,650 --> 00:25:49,360
apart from turning up.
419
00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:53,030
You're called to answer
questions that cover your field.
420
00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:55,270
Your field being?
421
00:25:55,270 --> 00:25:59,030
The human genome and
genetic engineering.
422
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,560
And it was at the last of these
occasions that you met Mark Costley?
423
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,510
That's correct.
424
00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:07,010
Can you tell me your
impressions of him?
425
00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:10,280
He was pleasant.
426
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,180
Er, knowledgeable. I liked him.
427
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:18,840
He gave me a guided tour of
the Great Hall of Westminster,
428
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,640
the Crypt Chapel.
429
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:24,210
We met for coffee a few times.
430
00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:27,150
I work... I worked nearby.
431
00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:28,500
Did you meet purely as friends?
432
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:29,490
Yes.
Did you meet purely as friends?
433
00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:31,060
Yes.
434
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:35,060
His niece was considering
a career in science and...
435
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,340
Well, it's a bit of
a hobby-horse of mine,
436
00:26:38,340 --> 00:26:41,230
getting women and girls into
science as a career, so...
437
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,140
My own daughter's a scientist.
438
00:26:46,550 --> 00:26:50,320
So we talked about that
and I gave him some advice.
439
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,370
Dr Carmichael, we now have to discuss
440
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:54,810
the events that have led, indirectly,
441
00:26:54,810 --> 00:26:56,810
to you being here,
442
00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:00,290
in a position you never would
have imagined yourself to be in.
443
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,660
It didn't seem real.
444
00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:34,020
Although it was...
445
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:37,440
the most, most shocking thing
that's ever happened to me.
446
00:27:40,330 --> 00:27:42,380
When it was over...
447
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:46,150
he acted as if it was completely normal.
448
00:27:46,150 --> 00:27:48,540
And I got in the cab with him because...
449
00:27:50,910 --> 00:27:52,280
I didn't know what else to do.
450
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,750
Some people will find
it hard to understand
451
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:58,750
why you didn't even tell your husband
452
00:27:58,750 --> 00:28:00,660
about this horrific, vicious attack.
453
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,850
I would have found it hard,
before it happened to me.
454
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:09,560
To understand, I mean.
455
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,610
But it seemed so clear.
456
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:21,540
I didn't want what he did...
457
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:26,970
in my life, in my home.
458
00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:34,580
I didn't want to be
sitting in my kitchen,
459
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:38,000
having a meal with my
husband and wonder...
460
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:44,770
two years later, five
years later, whatever...
461
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:51,650
wonder if he was
thinking about it, or...
462
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,060
for him to raise it, or talk about it...
463
00:28:59,910 --> 00:29:02,150
when I wasn't ready.
464
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,110
I wasn't ready.
465
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:22,640
George Selway treated me as
a collection of holes and...
466
00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:30,850
at least, by not telling Gary,
I had control over that one thing.
467
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,020
What was your intention when
you went to see Mark Costley
468
00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:44,050
to ask his advice about George Selway?
469
00:29:44,050 --> 00:29:46,350
I just wanted it to stop.
470
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:50,890
E-mailing me, texting, following me.
471
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:57,110
When George turned
up near my house, I...
472
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:59,200
I was just so frightened.
473
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:02,870
To be clear...
474
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,060
did you wish George
Selway physical harm?
475
00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:09,860
No.
476
00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:14,550
Did you encourage or urge Mr Mark
Costley to kill George Selway?
477
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:15,630
No!
478
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:19,740
While you were waiting, in the car,
479
00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:23,060
were you aware of what was taking
place in George Selway's flat?
480
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:26,680
No.
481
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,910
I suggest, given the very
obvious distress of the witness,
482
00:30:31,910 --> 00:30:34,160
we'll adjourn for a short break.
483
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,260
Dr Carmichael, I have
no wish to distress you.
484
00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:01,240
But could I ask you a few more questions
485
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,820
about the night you
claim you were attacked
486
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:06,370
by the victim in this case?
487
00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:07,880
Of course.
488
00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:11,750
Now, earlier on that
day, the day of the party,
489
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:15,020
- you were working at home?
- Yes, that's right.
490
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:19,420
And then you got into your party
dress and took the Tube into town.
491
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:21,860
- Is that correct?
- That's correct.
492
00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:29,490
Now, you've said you were at the
party with Mr Selway for some hours,
493
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:31,880
drinking with him,
before you went with him
494
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:34,820
up to his secluded
office on the fifth floor,
495
00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:36,630
an area of the building you knew
496
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:38,830
would be empty at that time of night.
497
00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:39,850
Well, as I said,
498
00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:42,790
he mentioned something about getting
some papers from his office.
499
00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:44,590
Yes. Just to establish,
500
00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:47,870
when you were drinking
and smoking with Mr Selway,
501
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:51,100
you were, for a time,
seated together outside
502
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:53,230
in a small courtyard in the
middle of the building?
503
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:55,010
Yes. I wasn't smoking.
504
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:58,680
You were keeping him company, then.
505
00:32:00,180 --> 00:32:03,070
When you were seated together outside,
506
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,590
can you recall placing your
hand on Mr Selway's knee?
507
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,610
No, I can't.
508
00:32:08,610 --> 00:32:10,860
Can you recall him placing
his hand on your knee?
509
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,060
He may have done, yes.
510
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:22,920
I think he did, just on
my knee, to steady himself.
511
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,240
Er...
512
00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:30,450
We were all laughing, in a group.
513
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:33,190
It wasn't just the two of us and...
514
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:35,880
I was a bit unsteady
and so was he, and...
515
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:40,720
I put my hand on his
knee, just to steady myself.
516
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,670
So you put your hand on his knee?
517
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:48,580
Or he did on mine. He...
518
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:52,120
He was filling up my glass.
It could have been both.
519
00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:55,470
You were flirting, weren't you?
520
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:57,820
No, I wouldn't say that.
521
00:32:57,820 --> 00:33:01,640
We were talking, joking,
in a group of people.
522
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,930
Well, let's not get into
a detailed discussion
523
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:07,400
on the definition of
flirting, Dr Carmichael.
524
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,660
Did you, or did you not, tell
George Selway you were promiscuous?
525
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:13,270
No! Absolutely not!
526
00:33:13,270 --> 00:33:15,910
- Well, you seem very certain about that.
- I am.
527
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,730
And if anybody thinks they heard
me say that, they're mistaken.
528
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:22,120
Or drunk. There was a lot of
drinking going on that night.
529
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,370
Yes, I'm not talking about the party.
530
00:33:24,370 --> 00:33:27,150
Do you remember the occasion you
spent two days with George Selway,
531
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:29,250
a month or so before he was killed?
532
00:33:29,260 --> 00:33:32,100
You're talking about when we interviewed
for the junior research fellowship.
533
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,500
- Of course I remember.
- Good.
534
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:36,490
Then you might also remember
telling George Selway,
535
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:40,210
in front of a room full of
people, you were promiscuous.
536
00:33:41,670 --> 00:33:43,040
No.
537
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,850
Absolutely not. I said no such thing.
538
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:48,030
Really?
539
00:33:48,030 --> 00:33:52,520
Did you or did you not describe
yourself as "really easy"?
540
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:58,000
- That's ridiculous!
- Oh, so you do remember?
541
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,520
"I like to pretend I'm
classy, but I'm really easy."
542
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,670
I... I was talking
about the coffee machine!
543
00:34:03,670 --> 00:34:05,230
He'd brought us some coffees.
544
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,020
I'm not asking you for the context
of the comment, Dr Carmichael.
545
00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:10,120
I'm sure you were bantering
away with Mr Selway
546
00:34:10,130 --> 00:34:11,200
on all manner of subjects.
547
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Just please answer the
question, "really easy",
548
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,620
- did you use that exact phrase?
- That is ludicrous.
549
00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:19,020
- You can take anything out of context.
- Yes or no?
550
00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:21,070
You're trying to create
a false impression
551
00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:23,270
- of the kind of relationship
that we had. - Yes or no?
552
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,280
Not in the way that you mean!
553
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,100
This is why...
554
00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:43,100
This is why I didn't want to bring
this to court in the first place.
555
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,860
It's not the only reason,
is it, Dr Carmichael?
556
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,160
Why didn't you report the
alleged rape by George Selway?
557
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,670
Often these cases are conducted as if...
558
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:13,830
the victim has committed a crime.
559
00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:17,290
And I felt that I'd been through enough.
560
00:35:17,290 --> 00:35:18,760
Well, this isn't a rape trial.
561
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,570
And you have been charged with a crime,
562
00:35:20,570 --> 00:35:22,620
the most serious crime there is.
563
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:24,820
Now, forgive me, you
said it was eight years
564
00:35:24,820 --> 00:35:27,160
you worked for the Beaufort Institute.
565
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,020
Erm...
566
00:35:29,020 --> 00:35:33,090
Full time, yes. And
more recently part time.
567
00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:34,350
Of course.
568
00:35:34,350 --> 00:35:38,020
And during those eight
years, you commuted every day?
569
00:35:38,020 --> 00:35:40,270
The Tube to St James's and then a walk?
570
00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:42,560
Yes.
571
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:46,670
And lunch hours, coffee breaks,
572
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:49,590
plenty of places to eat around there.
573
00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:52,980
- Pubs after work, so on.
- My Lord, really!
574
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:57,470
- Forgive me, my Lord, I am getting there.
- Then do, please, Ms Bonnard.
575
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,730
Dr Carmichael, in your
professional capacity,
576
00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:05,050
you have been working in or
visiting the Borough of Westminster
577
00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:07,700
for, what, around 12 years? Longer?
578
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:09,350
Erm...
579
00:36:09,350 --> 00:36:10,720
longer, probably.
580
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:15,120
So it's fair to say you are
very familiar with the area.
581
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,320
What with all the commuting
and lunch hours, walking, so on?
582
00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:22,360
It...
583
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,830
Yes.
584
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:27,250
You know it intimately...
585
00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:31,300
this little corner of St James.
586
00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:35,020
The highways and byways.
587
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:38,050
The shops and cafes.
588
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:44,980
The side streets.
589
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:47,190
The back alleyways.
590
00:36:59,230 --> 00:37:03,080
You're familiar, Dr Carmichael...
591
00:37:03,090 --> 00:37:06,600
with a small alleyway
called Apple Tree Yard?
592
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,440
Apple Tree Yard...
593
00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:27,670
is the alleyway in the
Borough of Westminster,
594
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:30,220
St James to be precise,
595
00:37:30,220 --> 00:37:34,510
where you had intercourse
with your lover, Mark Costley,
596
00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:36,030
in a public street,
597
00:37:36,030 --> 00:37:39,990
quite quickly, I imagine, during
rush hour, standing up in a doorway.
598
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:42,530
Isn't that the case, Dr Carmichael?
599
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:53,530
It...
600
00:37:55,830 --> 00:37:57,010
It wasn't rush hour.
601
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:01,590
Well, I apologise for any
inaccuracy as to timings,
602
00:38:01,590 --> 00:38:05,120
but you will forgive me for
doubting the absolute credibility
603
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,700
of any account you're
willing to give this court.
604
00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:11,230
You know, you are facing
a charge of murder.
605
00:38:11,230 --> 00:38:14,210
Don't you think it's time
you started telling the truth?
606
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:16,210
You've lied, haven't you?
607
00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:20,020
You have lied to your husband
608
00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:21,690
and you've lied to the police
609
00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:24,820
and you have lied to this
court! Well, haven't you?
610
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:35,960
Yes.
611
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,330
I beg your pardon?
612
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:44,860
Yes.
613
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,300
Did you ask my client
to kill George Selway?
614
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:57,610
No.
615
00:38:57,610 --> 00:39:00,740
- Are you telling the truth?
- Yes!
616
00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:03,430
Did you tell him you
were raped, Dr Carmichael?
617
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:05,050
Isaid... Yes.
618
00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:07,340
- And were you raped? Is
that the truth? - Yes! Yes!
619
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:08,760
Yes!
620
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:37,910
As you went to the party that night...
621
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:43,810
after you had had sex with my client...
622
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:52,570
were you wearing underwear?
623
00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,760
Please, at least tell
me that the sex was good.
624
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:31,910
Why?
625
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:35,310
Why with someone like that?
626
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,490
He didn't seem... the way
he sounds in court. He...
627
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,000
He made me feel...
628
00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:49,220
- Gary wants to talk to you so much
- I can't.... I can't.
629
00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:51,860
No. No, it wouldjust finish me off.
630
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,820
Think about it.
631
00:40:56,010 --> 00:40:58,460
Isn't it going to do
more damage this way?
632
00:40:58,460 --> 00:41:02,750
Damage? Suse, the damage is done.
633
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:05,250
You saw the jury's faces.
I'm going to prison.
634
00:41:05,250 --> 00:41:07,300
- You don't know that.
- Yes, I do.
635
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:09,550
- The trial isn't over yet.
- Yes, it is. It is.
636
00:41:09,550 --> 00:41:11,060
It is for me.
637
00:41:17,110 --> 00:41:20,480
You know, the one thing that Gary's
always said that he couldn't bear...
638
00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:22,850
is humiliation.
639
00:41:22,850 --> 00:41:23,870
Didn't you think?
640
00:41:25,780 --> 00:41:27,250
What?
641
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:33,240
If you were having this thing
with Mark Costley, then...
642
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:38,100
surely your marriage was over anyway?
643
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,080
Do you really think that
it's that cut and dried?
644
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,820
God, Suse, I'd expect that from
Carrie, but you, of all people...
645
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:45,970
I am trying to understand.
646
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:49,930
You should know that a marriage is
not what it seems from the outside.
647
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,530
What, Jay? Well, Jay's a
bit different from Gary.
648
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:57,260
Well, you've always held Gary
up as some kind of shining star.
649
00:41:57,260 --> 00:41:59,220
Because he is a good man!
650
00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:10,020
Yes, he is.
651
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:12,660
Of course he is.
652
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,540
When I started my degree...
653
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:29,620
I was going to dedicate
my life to science.
654
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,480
And then...
655
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:38,380
the first week of the
first term, there he was.
656
00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:40,420
So specific.
657
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,530
There, in the lab...
658
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,130
being so bloody
certain about everything.
659
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,930
With his shirt tucked in.
660
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:56,260
And his thousand-yard stare.
661
00:42:59,050 --> 00:43:00,760
30 years, nearly.
662
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:06,920
Don't you think that's
worth fighting for?
663
00:43:51,310 --> 00:43:53,210
Ladies and gentlemen,
664
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:55,660
the dramatic revelations
of the last days
665
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:58,730
have served only to strengthen
the prosecution's case,
666
00:43:58,730 --> 00:44:01,910
that it is beyond reasonable doubt
667
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:04,750
that Mark Costley and Yvonne
Carmichael are both guilty
668
00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:06,900
of the murder of George Selway.
669
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,120
Whose idea was it to drive
to Selway's flat that day?
670
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:15,060
Yvonne Carmichael has
admitted it was her idea.
671
00:44:15,060 --> 00:44:17,120
Tragically...
672
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,830
Mr Costley's already marked
tendencies as a fantasist
673
00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:23,370
and his inability to tell the difference
674
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:26,600
between reality and a
story of his own invention
675
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,070
found its flashpoint at
that unbearable moment
676
00:44:30,070 --> 00:44:33,880
when he confronted the man he
believed to have raped his lover.
677
00:44:35,110 --> 00:44:40,670
Yvonne Carmichael had suffered
a brutal and degrading rape
678
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:42,290
at the hands of George Selway,
679
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:48,060
who then added to this quite
devastating trauma by stalking her.
680
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,600
She just wanted it to stop.
681
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,680
There is no evidence
that she wanted him dead.
682
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,860
There's no evidence
that she asked for it.
683
00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:59,150
Mark Costley was in his own world
684
00:44:59,150 --> 00:45:01,550
when he entered George Selway's flat,
685
00:45:01,550 --> 00:45:03,600
on a mission of his own making.
686
00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:06,930
It comes down to this...
687
00:45:06,930 --> 00:45:09,570
Does having an affair with Mark Costley,
688
00:45:09,570 --> 00:45:11,130
keeping it secret,
689
00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:15,480
make Dr Carmichael a murderer?
690
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,990
Not...
691
00:45:16,990 --> 00:45:20,170
does it make her
unsavoury, inappropriate?
692
00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:22,920
Your private judgment
is your own concern.
693
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:28,430
Does it make her... a murderer?
694
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,420
It's time.
695
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,160
Courts aren't about the truth.
696
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,460
They're about who tells the best story.
697
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,520
You know all about that.
698
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,430
You're the expert.
699
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:23,230
You caught me so easily.
700
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:26,410
But then, I think now...
701
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:28,410
I was waiting to be caught.
702
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:57,310
Madam Foreperson,
703
00:46:57,310 --> 00:47:01,560
has the jury reached verdicts
upon which you are all agreed?
704
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,020
Yes.
705
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,350
Would the defendants please stand?
706
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:16,420
Do you find the defendant
Mark Liam Costley
707
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:21,150
guilty or not guilty of
the murder of George Selway?
708
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:25,120
We find the defendant not guilty.
709
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,890
Do you find the defendant
Yvonne Carmichael
710
00:47:32,890 --> 00:47:37,240
guilty or not guilty of
the murder of George Selway?
711
00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:41,010
Not guilty.
712
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:47,120
Upon count two of this indictment,
713
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,390
do you find the defendant
Mark Liam Costley
714
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,620
guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
715
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:56,250
Guilty.
716
00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:05,790
Do you find the defendant
Yvonne Carmichael
717
00:48:05,790 --> 00:48:08,180
guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
718
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:12,040
We find the defendant...
719
00:48:19,450 --> 00:48:21,210
not guilty.
720
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:23,610
Congratulations.
721
00:50:31,410 --> 00:50:33,020
Dear X...
722
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:35,700
Dear Mark...
723
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:41,240
with good behaviour and the
all clear from your psychiatrist,
724
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:43,340
you'll be free in five years.
725
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,650
They found me guilty of perjury.
726
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:53,360
Suspended sentence.
727
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:57,850
Sounds about right, "suspended."
728
00:50:59,180 --> 00:51:01,180
Hanging above me,
729
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:04,010
a sword that could fall
on my neck at any time.
730
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:07,000
And of course...
731
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,540
my good behaviour has
to last a lifetime.
732
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,370
When do you think Carrie
will be ready to see me?
733
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:34,710
I think that's best discussed
between you and her, don't you?
734
00:51:36,130 --> 00:51:38,870
You can do no wrong in
her eyes, you know that.
735
00:51:39,850 --> 00:51:43,570
Yeah, well, we're all on a
learning curve, aren't we?
736
00:51:43,570 --> 00:51:44,880
Gary...
737
00:51:46,450 --> 00:51:48,350
Does she know about you and Rosa?
738
00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:53,190
There's nothing to tell any
more, is there? So, no point.
739
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:56,320
Surely it's only fair that
she knows something about...
740
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,400
what was going on with you and us?
741
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,650
Oh, you really want to go there, do you?
742
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:04,290
Jesus Christ...
743
00:52:04,290 --> 00:52:06,340
Fairness?
744
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:08,300
Transparency?
745
00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:13,670
There were so many
opportunities to tell me.
746
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:15,730
So many points.
747
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,850
The rape.
748
00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:21,450
Him.
749
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:27,750
I would have understood.
I know you would.
750
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:29,800
So why? Because you had to win,
751
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,400
you had to be the best at
everything, even marriage?
752
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,150
Could you just not bear the thought
753
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:36,750
of not having something to
hold against me for once?
754
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:39,330
That we both might have
fucked up, even-stevens?
755
00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:41,830
- Is that what you think?
- Yes, that's what I think!
756
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,210
I think you think I've been the bad one.
757
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:48,970
That's how it's worked!
758
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:17,270
I'm sorry.
759
00:53:18,350 --> 00:53:19,810
Iam.
760
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,220
And I'll say it every day,
for as long as it takes.
761
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,370
Thank you for agreeing to see me.
762
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:35,190
Yvonne...
763
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:37,150
in court...
764
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,860
when I, erm...
765
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:42,580
I told my barrister about us...
766
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:47,470
she just twisted everything.
767
00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:50,650
I'm so sorry.
768
00:54:55,340 --> 00:54:57,290
I think I understand.
769
00:54:59,050 --> 00:55:00,620
You panicked.
770
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,110
Is... that what happened with George?
771
00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:10,050
I know you didn't mean to kill him.
772
00:55:10,050 --> 00:55:13,130
You wouldn't have let me
drive you to his house...
773
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,280
if you'd meant to kill him.
774
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,990
Ijust wanted to teach him a lesson.
775
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:21,640
For you.
776
00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:25,840
I wanted you to feel safe.
777
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:37,770
I lied to you.
778
00:55:45,140 --> 00:55:48,720
Brilliant geneticist, one of the
country's leading scientists...
779
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:49,890
I'm not.
780
00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:55,220
I haven't produced an original
piece of work for years.
781
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:59,670
I was never anybody important.
782
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:06,820
You made me feel important.
783
00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:13,400
I don't know what you want me to say.
784
00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:16,820
I'm sorry.
785
00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:21,470
Mark...
786
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:29,330
The feelings...
787
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:32,760
they were real.
788
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:36,480
Mine were, at least.
789
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,380
And mine, too.
790
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:43,410
That's why I told her about us.
791
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:45,570
Because how else would anyone know?
792
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:49,810
How would they know?
793
00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:56,270
That it had been... real.
794
00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:07,360
It was just everything else that wasn't.
795
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,700
If relationships are stories,
796
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,850
there is no happy ending for ours.
797
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,560
But life, as they say, goes on.
798
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:17,860
Yvonne...
799
00:58:24,220 --> 00:58:26,020
What you said to me in the flat...
800
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:29,730
The safe house.
801
00:58:31,890 --> 00:58:33,550
I never told them.
802
00:58:37,610 --> 00:58:38,930
I didn't.
803
00:58:48,210 --> 00:58:50,460
So what do you want?
804
00:58:52,570 --> 00:58:54,570
I want you to kill him.
805
00:58:59,130 --> 00:59:02,210
I want you to smash his fucking face in.
806
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:18,090
People can say anything.
807
00:59:27,180 --> 00:59:29,960
You really can't tell
the difference, can you?
808
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:53,080
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