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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,850 --> 00:00:06,185 Of course I did it. He's my son. 2 00:00:06,381 --> 00:00:08,567 - What are you people talking about? - The photo. 3 00:00:08,689 --> 00:00:12,588 I took a picture of my son. I put it online. Big deal. 4 00:00:15,234 --> 00:00:18,622 - They'll introduce this at trial. - Good. They can see how insane it all is. 5 00:00:18,745 --> 00:00:20,579 It's an admission. 6 00:00:21,490 --> 00:00:25,816 I took a picture of my son in the tub. I can't take a picture of my own kid? 7 00:00:25,932 --> 00:00:27,726 It was posted online. 8 00:00:27,745 --> 00:00:29,551 For my friends and family! 9 00:00:31,503 --> 00:00:35,461 I- I know it seems crazy, but the bureau chief is doing this case himself, 10 00:00:35,487 --> 00:00:38,464 which means the D.A.'s office is trying to make a point. 11 00:00:38,483 --> 00:00:42,785 - And promoting and possessing a sexual performance by a child -- - What performance? 12 00:00:42,836 --> 00:00:45,845 When you take a picture, nate, it's considered a performance. 13 00:00:45,895 --> 00:00:48,397 Not sexual. My god. 14 00:00:49,097 --> 00:00:50,765 He was going "ta-da." 15 00:00:51,445 --> 00:00:53,677 - It was cute. - I know. 16 00:00:54,951 --> 00:00:59,068 I -- if we lose -- If we lose, you can go to prison as a child sex offender, 17 00:00:59,084 --> 00:01:01,624 - which means -- - I- I know what it means. 18 00:01:02,375 --> 00:01:05,227 That's all I've been thinking about since the arrest. 19 00:01:05,745 --> 00:01:07,098 One year... 20 00:01:07,228 --> 00:01:10,637 Only seeing my son in supervised visits with my ex. 21 00:01:11,076 --> 00:01:15,280 One year of people at his school calling me a... pedophile. 22 00:01:15,981 --> 00:01:19,460 People looking at me like I'm filth. 23 00:01:22,437 --> 00:01:25,001 If we can get a disposition, avoid trial -- 24 00:01:25,048 --> 00:01:27,589 I need to get my son back. 25 00:01:29,646 --> 00:01:31,735 What would you do? 26 00:01:32,073 --> 00:01:34,706 www.addic7ed.com Transcripted by mczolly and chamallow35 27 00:01:34,828 --> 00:01:37,329 RAISING THE BAR -- Season 2 Episode 4 "No Child's Left Behind" 28 00:01:37,452 --> 00:01:41,496 And you really want to criminalize every parent who takes an innocent picture of their kid? 29 00:01:41,541 --> 00:01:44,837 If it turned out the picture was being sold by an online child pornographer, 30 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:47,418 - as your guy's was, I'd file every time. - He didn't know about that, Nick. 31 00:01:47,457 --> 00:01:49,993 Oh, so you're going with the "he didn't know" defense. 32 00:01:50,045 --> 00:01:51,464 Thanks for the heads-up. 33 00:01:51,504 --> 00:01:54,191 By the way, juries generally think it's a parent's job 34 00:01:54,228 --> 00:01:57,225 to know to protect their child. That's gonna be my approach -- 35 00:01:57,248 --> 00:02:00,801 Just so you're not surprised. Professional courtesy. 36 00:02:00,910 --> 00:02:05,203 Okay, at worst, he's not as responsible a parent as he could have been. 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,691 Can't we just plead it to a violation, all move on? 38 00:02:09,693 --> 00:02:11,745 I'll drop the sexual-performance charges. 39 00:02:11,803 --> 00:02:13,968 He can take child endangerment, no jail time, 40 00:02:14,011 --> 00:02:16,612 parenting training, sex-offender registration. 41 00:02:16,645 --> 00:02:19,865 Register as a sex offender? Because he took a picture of his kid? 42 00:02:19,934 --> 00:02:23,180 - Getting out of a tub? - You're the one asking for a deal. 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,944 And if he doesn't take it, you actually want to put this guy in jail? 44 00:02:25,986 --> 00:02:27,965 I want people to understand 45 00:02:28,002 --> 00:02:30,221 your webpages aren't as private as you think -- 46 00:02:30,250 --> 00:02:31,655 Protect your kids. 47 00:02:33,508 --> 00:02:36,626 If he winds up behind bars, it'll be because you couldn't sell him on a plea. 48 00:02:37,335 --> 00:02:37,977 All right. 49 00:02:43,515 --> 00:02:47,076 - Do we have a disposition in this matter? - I think it is safe to say we do not. 50 00:02:47,431 --> 00:02:49,463 All right. We'll go to trial tomorrow. 51 00:02:49,518 --> 00:02:51,660 Your Honor, I have some additional discovery. 52 00:02:51,681 --> 00:02:54,252 Defendant's search-engine report for the year prior to his arrest. 53 00:02:54,375 --> 00:02:55,979 - You got to be kidding. - Are you kidding, Mr. Balco? 54 00:02:55,997 --> 00:02:58,152 Not kidding, Your Honor. 55 00:02:59,521 --> 00:03:00,939 Page 84. 56 00:03:01,056 --> 00:03:03,675 "hot teens, barely legal." 57 00:03:03,889 --> 00:03:05,513 I told you to take the plea. 58 00:03:05,610 --> 00:03:07,853 Very well. Unless there's anything else, 59 00:03:08,212 --> 00:03:10,397 voir dire in the morning. 60 00:03:13,230 --> 00:03:17,263 So I've surfed for porn. You know, I'm a single guy. 61 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:18,708 Is that illegal? 62 00:03:18,870 --> 00:03:23,574 No. But they'll use it to...paint a picture. 63 00:03:24,997 --> 00:03:26,471 Every search I did. 64 00:03:26,539 --> 00:03:30,490 How do they even get this stuff? I mean, that's like my private thoughts. 65 00:03:30,503 --> 00:03:33,559 - Excluding it is gonna be a long shot. - That's why he thinks I'll take a plea? 66 00:03:33,628 --> 00:03:36,036 Well, that and the fact that child endangerment is a misdemeanor. 67 00:03:36,079 --> 00:03:40,516 You know, no jail time, but you'd have to register as a sex offender. 68 00:03:40,874 --> 00:03:42,809 You aren't telling me to take that? 69 00:03:42,914 --> 00:03:45,861 Sex-offender registration will follow you for your whole life, 70 00:03:45,912 --> 00:03:49,296 but a jury is always a roll of the dice. 71 00:03:53,950 --> 00:03:55,818 I didn't do anything wrong. 72 00:03:55,941 --> 00:03:58,845 And the jury will see that. They'll have to. 73 00:03:59,317 --> 00:04:00,021 Right? 74 00:04:05,849 --> 00:04:08,616 As for disposition of joint property -- 75 00:04:08,716 --> 00:04:10,858 The traditional 50/50 split, we've complied a list, 76 00:04:10,934 --> 00:04:12,889 but it's pretty standard -- 77 00:04:13,016 --> 00:04:15,765 Car, bank account, apartment. 78 00:04:15,908 --> 00:04:17,665 The apartment -- That's not joint property. 79 00:04:17,716 --> 00:04:19,695 I bought that with my grandmother's inheritance. 80 00:04:19,825 --> 00:04:22,358 - Inheritance is separate property. - Yes. 81 00:04:22,551 --> 00:04:26,163 But you made your monthly mortgage payments from your joint account. 82 00:04:26,296 --> 00:04:28,804 The joint account? Gavin was in school. 83 00:04:28,823 --> 00:04:30,942 All that ever went into that account was my salary. 84 00:04:30,957 --> 00:04:33,847 Salary during a marriage is joint property. 85 00:04:33,898 --> 00:04:36,385 So if you made payments from that account, 86 00:04:36,582 --> 00:04:39,991 it makes your apartment joint property, too. 87 00:04:40,924 --> 00:04:43,039 Come on, Gavin. I live there. 88 00:04:43,548 --> 00:04:46,736 You know my grandmother wanted that money to provide me with a home. 89 00:04:46,774 --> 00:04:50,647 Well, I'm sure she also wanted us to stay together forever. 90 00:04:52,366 --> 00:04:53,690 Not meant to be. 91 00:04:53,936 --> 00:04:57,291 - I'm not leaving the apartment. - We'll get an independent appraisal. 92 00:04:57,329 --> 00:04:59,666 - You can buy out his half. - I can't afford -- 93 00:04:59,703 --> 00:05:04,308 T- the loan payment's already at the limit of my budget. You know what I make. 94 00:05:05,642 --> 00:05:08,758 Then, um... We'll have to sell it. 95 00:05:09,806 --> 00:05:11,400 Split the proceeds. 96 00:05:15,059 --> 00:05:16,725 So this is your plan -- 97 00:05:16,761 --> 00:05:19,521 To use the system to screw me out of my home, 98 00:05:19,558 --> 00:05:21,982 out of my grandmother's inheritance? 99 00:05:22,651 --> 00:05:25,872 Well, you love the law so much, I'm just saying... 100 00:05:25,910 --> 00:05:27,419 Let's stick to it. 101 00:05:38,234 --> 00:05:40,179 So a guy takes a picture of his kid, 102 00:05:40,215 --> 00:05:42,270 puts it on his own personal webpage, 103 00:05:42,739 --> 00:05:46,308 and some sleazy pornographer grabs the image, sells it to perverts, 104 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,938 and the cops want to arrest the father, who had no idea? 105 00:05:48,975 --> 00:05:53,096 The guy is charged with possessing and promoting a sexual performance by a child. 106 00:05:53,143 --> 00:05:56,532 Look at the evidence. He possessed it. He promoted it. 107 00:05:56,570 --> 00:05:59,205 Last I checked, ignorance of the law isn't a defense. 108 00:05:59,242 --> 00:06:02,870 Come on. You really think this photo constitutes a sexual performance? 109 00:06:02,908 --> 00:06:06,033 Yes. Have you seen the webpage it ended up on? 110 00:06:06,071 --> 00:06:08,072 - I mean, it's disgusting. - So what? 111 00:06:08,109 --> 00:06:09,728 So what? It's pedophilia. 112 00:06:10,066 --> 00:06:11,134 Look, 113 00:06:11,243 --> 00:06:13,841 let's say, unbeknownst to the father who took the picture, 114 00:06:13,878 --> 00:06:16,718 some deviant found it online and is getting off on it. 115 00:06:17,074 --> 00:06:18,927 Right, let's even say there's an entire 116 00:06:18,963 --> 00:06:20,980 twisted subsection of the porn industry 117 00:06:21,017 --> 00:06:25,046 based on adorable pictures of kids taken lovingly by their parents. 118 00:06:25,085 --> 00:06:27,082 It's gross. But who does it harm? 119 00:06:27,118 --> 00:06:29,093 So there should be no child-pornography laws? 120 00:06:29,130 --> 00:06:32,728 Child-porn laws are to protect children from being forced into prostitution 121 00:06:32,766 --> 00:06:35,534 and abusive situations, but there's no abuse here. 122 00:06:35,576 --> 00:06:37,130 - Come on. - No, look, the -- 123 00:06:37,166 --> 00:06:40,331 The kid didn't know there was some sicko out there -- The father didn't even know. 124 00:06:40,369 --> 00:06:43,394 But there was a sicko, and he was selling the picture. 125 00:06:43,553 --> 00:06:45,818 And say some other sicko buys the picture, 126 00:06:45,855 --> 00:06:47,392 gets obsessed with the kid, 127 00:06:47,428 --> 00:06:49,491 decides to track him down, snatch him. 128 00:06:49,528 --> 00:06:52,105 Track him down? How is he gonna track him down? 129 00:06:52,493 --> 00:06:54,461 Do -- do you even hear how ridiculous you sound? 130 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:57,885 So he fails to track him down, but he's still obsessed. 131 00:06:57,971 --> 00:07:00,288 And so he's obsessing over the picture of the kid. 132 00:07:00,325 --> 00:07:01,994 He finds another kid to grab. 133 00:07:02,031 --> 00:07:06,530 Oh, so, if -- if someone grabs a kid after reading "Lolita," 134 00:07:06,594 --> 00:07:08,891 - we should ban the book? - Okay, okay, okay. 135 00:07:08,928 --> 00:07:10,961 Okay, you're officially arguing the case now. 136 00:07:10,998 --> 00:07:12,042 I'm not arguing. 137 00:07:12,078 --> 00:07:15,775 So that means you're not gonna make a motion to suppress the internet search report? 138 00:07:15,813 --> 00:07:17,902 This is a matter before the courts, okay? 139 00:07:17,939 --> 00:07:20,500 Don't make me stick my fingers in my ears and sing "Pop goes the weasel." 140 00:07:20,537 --> 00:07:23,024 We can talk about anything but this, okay? 141 00:07:23,061 --> 00:07:24,325 - Fine. - Please. 142 00:07:24,361 --> 00:07:25,433 All right. 143 00:07:27,665 --> 00:07:29,286 You've been quiet. 144 00:07:29,323 --> 00:07:32,170 - How'd your settlement conference go today? - Great. 145 00:07:32,207 --> 00:07:35,759 - Anyone have 200 grand I can borrow? - What? 146 00:07:35,797 --> 00:07:38,111 My ex found a brilliant loophole to take the apartment 147 00:07:38,148 --> 00:07:40,165 I bought with my grandmother's inheritance. 148 00:07:40,202 --> 00:07:41,907 Legal loophole -- He's loving it. 149 00:07:41,944 --> 00:07:44,051 - Can you fight it? - Not really. 150 00:07:44,088 --> 00:07:46,250 I know it's just an apartment, and who cares, right? 151 00:07:46,286 --> 00:07:48,473 But it's all I have from my grandmother. 152 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:52,085 And I can't get a loan, not in this market at my salary, 153 00:07:52,124 --> 00:07:54,320 and I can't afford to buy him out. 154 00:07:55,217 --> 00:07:58,282 - Is there anything we can do to help? - No, thanks. 155 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,713 Actually, if you know of any firms that are looking... 156 00:08:01,751 --> 00:08:04,267 Don't look at me that way. I need to know what my options are. 157 00:08:04,304 --> 00:08:05,848 I didn't say anything. 158 00:08:06,103 --> 00:08:08,902 I could set you up with a meeting at my dad's firm. 159 00:08:08,941 --> 00:08:11,172 Guarantee you'd hate it there. 160 00:08:11,209 --> 00:08:12,458 Probably. 161 00:08:12,642 --> 00:08:14,358 I mean, I love this job. We all love the job. 162 00:08:14,395 --> 00:08:18,459 I just didn't think I'd have to choose between the home I love and the job I love. 163 00:08:27,517 --> 00:08:29,512 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 164 00:08:29,876 --> 00:08:33,908 The voir dire process is our chance to assemble an honest jury. 165 00:08:34,704 --> 00:08:37,241 For your part, we need you to be honest here. 166 00:08:37,278 --> 00:08:40,801 We're gonna be asking you a series of questions. We just need you to be frank, 167 00:08:41,342 --> 00:08:44,073 and don't anyone try to talk their way out of service. 168 00:08:44,117 --> 00:08:46,154 I can smell a scam a mile away. 169 00:08:46,191 --> 00:08:49,471 Uh, your honor, before we start, can we approach? 170 00:08:51,119 --> 00:08:52,951 Due to the nature of this case, I'd like to move 171 00:08:52,988 --> 00:08:55,210 for an individually sequestered voir dire. 172 00:08:55,229 --> 00:08:57,761 That should drag things out by a week or so. 173 00:08:58,001 --> 00:08:59,645 Mr. Balco, do you have an opinion on this? 174 00:08:59,743 --> 00:09:02,075 It's a sensitive case. There'll be personal questions. 175 00:09:02,110 --> 00:09:05,378 I agree with counsel. Sequestered voir dire is appropriate. 176 00:09:05,677 --> 00:09:07,484 Well, aren't you two getting along? 177 00:09:08,296 --> 00:09:09,944 Must be a cold day in hell. 178 00:09:10,199 --> 00:09:12,647 All right, my chambers. Voir dire, 15 minutes. 179 00:09:12,699 --> 00:09:14,160 Let's try to be efficient. 180 00:09:20,606 --> 00:09:22,769 I'm just gonna ask you a couple questions here. 181 00:09:23,392 --> 00:09:25,786 - Ever served on a jury? - Ever been convicted of a crime? 182 00:09:25,818 --> 00:09:28,305 Do you currently belong to any social-networking sites? 183 00:09:28,343 --> 00:09:31,917 Does the fact that charges involve child pornography -- Does that make it hard for you to judge? 184 00:09:31,955 --> 00:09:35,093 Would you leave your kid in a stroller on the sidewalk if you ran in to get a cup of coffee, 185 00:09:35,130 --> 00:09:37,104 if you could see him through the window? 186 00:09:40,882 --> 00:09:41,711 Hi, there. 187 00:09:42,901 --> 00:09:45,372 - What do you do for a living? - How often do you use the internet? 188 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,799 - Do you look at pornography online? - You have kids? 189 00:09:51,561 --> 00:09:53,547 Do you consider yourself a private person? 190 00:09:53,624 --> 00:09:57,386 Is anyone in your family or close friends a police officer or works in law enforcement? 191 00:09:57,403 --> 00:09:59,743 Do you think the government has a role in parenting? 192 00:09:59,785 --> 00:10:03,085 Would you leave your kid in a stroller on the sidewalk if you ran in to get a cup of coffee, 193 00:10:03,123 --> 00:10:05,124 if you could see him through the window? 194 00:10:10,724 --> 00:10:13,805 As to jurors 1 through 15, challenges for cause. 195 00:10:13,865 --> 00:10:14,818 Mr. Balco. 196 00:10:15,492 --> 00:10:18,508 Uh, 4 and...7. 197 00:10:18,642 --> 00:10:21,614 - 4 was the college kid who clearly stated that she -- - That's okay. 198 00:10:22,268 --> 00:10:23,822 Defense consents to both. 199 00:10:24,011 --> 00:10:26,386 - Mr. Kellerman, for cause? - Uh, just number 12, judge. 200 00:10:26,413 --> 00:10:29,144 She indicated that a family member was a victim of sexual abuse. 201 00:10:29,170 --> 00:10:31,974 My guess is she was talking about herself. Can't be impartial. 202 00:10:32,227 --> 00:10:33,497 Mr. Balco? 203 00:10:35,481 --> 00:10:36,965 People consent. 204 00:10:37,731 --> 00:10:39,403 Fine. Perempts. People. 205 00:10:39,498 --> 00:10:42,828 1...9... and 11, judge. 206 00:10:42,871 --> 00:10:45,589 - Mr. Kellerman. - Number 6. She doesn't want to be here. 207 00:10:45,628 --> 00:10:47,204 That's no reason to let her out of service. 208 00:10:47,215 --> 00:10:49,681 Maybe, judge, but I don't want her taking it out on my client. 209 00:10:49,774 --> 00:10:51,778 - Is that your only one? - I'm good. 210 00:10:53,765 --> 00:10:55,462 Charlie, where does that put us? 211 00:10:55,990 --> 00:10:58,863 - Eight in the box. - Gentlemen, I'm impressed. 212 00:10:58,918 --> 00:11:01,743 At this rate, we will have a jury by this afternoon. 213 00:11:08,512 --> 00:11:10,020 - Hi. - Sorry to bother you. 214 00:11:10,390 --> 00:11:12,753 I, uh, I need to take a half-day later in the week. 215 00:11:12,821 --> 00:11:15,454 Sure. Just as long as your cases are covered. 216 00:11:15,703 --> 00:11:17,458 - Everything all right? - Yeah. 217 00:11:17,835 --> 00:11:19,929 No. I have a job interview. 218 00:11:20,359 --> 00:11:22,124 Richard's father's firm. 219 00:11:23,073 --> 00:11:23,948 You heard. 220 00:11:24,145 --> 00:11:26,222 Well, there aren't any secrets from me here. 221 00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:29,647 - It's not that I don't love it here. - You don't have to explain yourself. 222 00:11:29,907 --> 00:11:31,331 Divorce can knock you over. 223 00:11:32,259 --> 00:11:32,907 Yeah. 224 00:11:33,037 --> 00:11:34,391 But you get through it. 225 00:11:34,989 --> 00:11:35,863 I know. 226 00:11:36,276 --> 00:11:39,681 It's just... I have to start facing the reality of it, 227 00:11:39,821 --> 00:11:43,570 - and that may mean some tough choices. - Yeah. Well, I know that's tempting, 228 00:11:44,069 --> 00:11:46,041 especially when you're feeling vulnerable. 229 00:11:46,348 --> 00:11:49,216 Don't... hate me for exploring my options. 230 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:52,575 When I said I know it's tempting, I wasn't being hypothetical. 231 00:11:52,612 --> 00:11:54,532 I've actually met at private law firms. 232 00:11:54,612 --> 00:11:57,107 I've met at the one that you're meeting at, so... 233 00:11:57,970 --> 00:12:00,106 I'd hate to lose you, but I get it. 234 00:12:00,143 --> 00:12:02,843 If you need a reference, if you need me to make a call... 235 00:12:03,184 --> 00:12:03,913 Thank you. 236 00:12:04,522 --> 00:12:06,163 Just don't do anything out of panic, okay? 237 00:12:06,199 --> 00:12:08,879 Sometimes these things have a way of working themselves out. 238 00:12:09,817 --> 00:12:11,921 Not when it comes to my ex, but 239 00:12:12,144 --> 00:12:13,591 thanks for the sentiment. 240 00:12:17,267 --> 00:12:19,141 We monitor suspicious websites, 241 00:12:19,196 --> 00:12:22,381 work with internet-service providers to track down suspect material. 242 00:12:22,490 --> 00:12:24,822 And as lead investigator on this case, detective, 243 00:12:24,860 --> 00:12:26,529 what led you to the defendant? 244 00:12:26,801 --> 00:12:30,929 One of the sites we've been monitoring sells explicit photos of prepubescent boys. 245 00:12:31,237 --> 00:12:33,991 We have a program that searches for image matches online 246 00:12:34,029 --> 00:12:36,486 - to help find the source of the photos. - And in this case? 247 00:12:36,523 --> 00:12:40,090 It led us to a social-networking site, specifically the defendant's webpage. 248 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,202 So the photograph was for sale on a known child pornographer's website, 249 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,807 and you traced its origins 250 00:12:45,843 --> 00:12:47,459 - to the defendant's webpage. - Correct. 251 00:12:47,507 --> 00:12:50,421 And you obtained a search warrant and searched the defendant's computer? 252 00:12:50,572 --> 00:12:51,201 Yes. 253 00:12:51,378 --> 00:12:53,772 And how many other images did he have of his child naked? 254 00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:56,354 - We cataloged 14. - 14. 255 00:12:57,501 --> 00:13:00,056 And what other pornographic images did he have on his computer? 256 00:13:00,093 --> 00:13:01,826 Objection. Approach? 257 00:13:06,404 --> 00:13:07,487 First of all, 258 00:13:07,691 --> 00:13:10,472 the photos of the boy have not been deemed pornographic. 259 00:13:10,561 --> 00:13:12,704 They were for sale on a known pornographer's website. 260 00:13:12,717 --> 00:13:14,758 - It seems fairly self-evident ... - Mr. Balco. 261 00:13:14,910 --> 00:13:16,100 You know the rules. 262 00:13:17,244 --> 00:13:18,172 Okay. 263 00:13:23,918 --> 00:13:26,035 How many other sexually explicit photos ... 264 00:13:26,072 --> 00:13:27,794 - Your honor. - Sustained. 265 00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:31,406 How many other photos featuring the sexual organs of adults or children 266 00:13:31,444 --> 00:13:34,460 did the defendant have on his computer or find with his online search engine? 267 00:13:34,497 --> 00:13:37,263 - You can't be serious. - You two, get up here. 268 00:13:40,801 --> 00:13:42,724 Your Honor, my client's online searches 269 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,074 for adult pornography have no bearing on this case. 270 00:13:45,112 --> 00:13:47,280 This case is about the availability of pornography. 271 00:13:47,318 --> 00:13:50,505 It's a child-porn accusation, and you're looking to tarnish my client 272 00:13:50,543 --> 00:13:53,406 - with his private web searches. - If the defendant is gonna argue 273 00:13:53,444 --> 00:13:56,510 that he could not have foreseen his son's photo being used by an online pornographer, 274 00:13:56,548 --> 00:13:59,461 then his familiarity with the technology of online porn distribution 275 00:13:59,498 --> 00:14:01,777 - is very relevant. - The late-night web searches of a single guy 276 00:14:01,814 --> 00:14:05,232 are not relevant to anything other than tilting the jury, 277 00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:06,932 - and you know it. - Okay, okay. 278 00:14:08,504 --> 00:14:10,377 - Do you have the search-engine reports? - Of course. 279 00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:13,201 Defense objects to the introduction of the report, as it is prejudicial. 280 00:14:13,238 --> 00:14:16,157 The people feel it is essential and probative. 281 00:14:16,474 --> 00:14:18,381 I will consider these reports. 282 00:14:18,882 --> 00:14:20,604 In the meantime, Mr. Balco, 283 00:14:20,911 --> 00:14:23,042 unless there's anything more for this witness, 284 00:14:23,079 --> 00:14:25,381 I think it's Mr. Kellerman's turn. 285 00:14:29,255 --> 00:14:31,423 Detective, you searched my client's computers. 286 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:33,913 - Yes. - You searched his phone records as well. 287 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:36,096 - Yes. - And you did not find a single phone call 288 00:14:36,133 --> 00:14:38,888 between my client and the person who stole the image. 289 00:14:38,925 --> 00:14:39,965 No. 290 00:14:41,204 --> 00:14:43,969 Not a single e-mail or instant message between them? 291 00:14:44,447 --> 00:14:47,139 - No. - So despite your extensive investigation, 292 00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:51,024 there is no record of any contact between Mr. Chrisman 293 00:14:51,236 --> 00:14:54,430 and the person who put the photo on that pornographic website. 294 00:14:54,916 --> 00:14:55,916 No. 295 00:14:56,071 --> 00:14:57,361 And that makes sense. 296 00:14:57,537 --> 00:14:59,876 Because when you first confronted my client, 297 00:14:59,913 --> 00:15:02,609 he was shocked to hear that an alleged child pornographer 298 00:15:02,701 --> 00:15:04,560 had taken his private photos. 299 00:15:04,597 --> 00:15:06,798 The photos aren't private. They were posted publicly. 300 00:15:06,835 --> 00:15:10,810 - On his personal web page, right? - Which anyone on the network 301 00:15:10,848 --> 00:15:13,185 - can access. What did the guy expect? - "what did... 302 00:15:13,222 --> 00:15:15,104 "what did the guy expect?" 303 00:15:18,074 --> 00:15:19,379 Let's talk about that. 304 00:15:19,445 --> 00:15:22,544 When you told Mr. Chrisman that a photo of his son 305 00:15:22,611 --> 00:15:25,508 was being sold by an alleged child pornographer, 306 00:15:25,981 --> 00:15:27,658 - was he shocked? - Yes. 307 00:15:28,495 --> 00:15:31,149 - It was not what he expected. - No. 308 00:15:31,445 --> 00:15:33,764 In fact, when you questioned him, 309 00:15:33,994 --> 00:15:37,462 it was obvious that he had no knowledge that the image had been taken. 310 00:15:37,594 --> 00:15:39,332 He didn't seem to know. 311 00:15:42,723 --> 00:15:44,062 Thank you, detective. 312 00:15:57,021 --> 00:16:00,024 Urgent call to keep it quiet, the closed door ... 313 00:16:00,061 --> 00:16:02,491 - Everything okay? - Everything's fine. 314 00:16:02,727 --> 00:16:05,144 - Thanks for coming. - Of course. 315 00:16:06,301 --> 00:16:07,694 So, I need a favor, 316 00:16:07,730 --> 00:16:10,442 - but it has to be done off the books. - Okay. 317 00:16:10,479 --> 00:16:13,329 Seriously... after hours, no office resources. 318 00:16:13,424 --> 00:16:16,194 - Sounds personal. - Call it personal business. 319 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:19,034 Say no if you want. 320 00:16:19,768 --> 00:16:23,293 You gave me my start here when no one else would look at me for a job. 321 00:16:24,964 --> 00:16:26,448 I owe you. 322 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,098 Where are you leaning on the computer-search records? 323 00:16:30,136 --> 00:16:33,300 Guy's accused of a computer crime. It seems as though his computer records 324 00:16:33,337 --> 00:16:35,182 - are essential facts for the case. - Maybe. 325 00:16:35,219 --> 00:16:37,473 We live in a world where technology's made it possible 326 00:16:37,518 --> 00:16:40,137 to virtually see everything we're thinking, when we're thinking it. 327 00:16:40,824 --> 00:16:43,419 - It has a vague Big Brother feel. - Oh, please. 328 00:16:43,464 --> 00:16:46,136 Don't tell me you've been surfing for porn on court computers. 329 00:16:46,174 --> 00:16:47,727 No, but I wouldn't exactly be thrilled 330 00:16:47,763 --> 00:16:50,733 to have my personal laptop exposed for the world to see. 331 00:16:50,845 --> 00:16:54,005 Well, don't traffic in child porn, you don't have anything to worry about, do you? 332 00:16:54,042 --> 00:16:57,149 Don't get accused, you mean. 'Cause once the accusation gets made -- 333 00:16:57,187 --> 00:17:00,805 What, you suggesting we use our judicial power to limit the prosecution? 334 00:17:00,932 --> 00:17:04,463 Of course child sexual abuse is a terrible thing, 335 00:17:04,673 --> 00:17:05,895 - but -- - "But"? 336 00:17:06,335 --> 00:17:09,862 Charlie, is there really any "but", that can possibly follow the sentence 337 00:17:09,914 --> 00:17:11,967 "I know child sexual abuse is a terrible thing"? 338 00:17:12,035 --> 00:17:13,733 From McMartin to the Wee Care case, 339 00:17:13,818 --> 00:17:16,793 prosecutors go crazy for child-sex-abuse charges. 340 00:17:16,830 --> 00:17:19,324 Emotional juries invariably convict. 341 00:17:19,361 --> 00:17:22,394 And years later, we usually find out the whole case was bogus. 342 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:24,843 Listen, this guy has opted for a jury trial. 343 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,577 - I cannot feed them a verdict. - No, but... 344 00:17:27,615 --> 00:17:29,670 You can keep them from hearing evidence that's irrelevant. 345 00:17:29,711 --> 00:17:31,675 Let's be honest -- How in God's name 346 00:17:31,712 --> 00:17:34,269 can the accused's normal adult sexual activities 347 00:17:34,306 --> 00:17:36,363 have any bearing on the case 348 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,269 except to make him seem icky to the jury? 349 00:17:38,472 --> 00:17:39,472 "Icky"? 350 00:17:39,565 --> 00:17:41,530 Is that a new legal term? 351 00:17:42,329 --> 00:17:44,592 Bring me the search record. I'll review it. 352 00:17:46,819 --> 00:17:50,382 So, I've been asking around about you. P.D.'s office loves you, 353 00:17:50,421 --> 00:17:53,065 loves you, D.A.'s respects you. 354 00:17:53,102 --> 00:17:54,868 - No small feat. - It's nice to hear. 355 00:17:54,881 --> 00:17:57,918 So, tell me... Why are you thinking about leaving the P.D.'s? 356 00:17:57,971 --> 00:17:59,311 - Burnout? - No... 357 00:17:59,347 --> 00:18:00,634 I love it there. 358 00:18:01,646 --> 00:18:03,414 Um, to be perfectly honest, I'm... 359 00:18:03,451 --> 00:18:05,128 going through a divorce and there 360 00:18:05,332 --> 00:18:07,469 are economic issues that I'm dealing with. 361 00:18:07,886 --> 00:18:08,821 Oh. Sorry to hear. 362 00:18:08,874 --> 00:18:11,443 I had some economic issues with my divorce as well. 363 00:18:11,463 --> 00:18:13,150 It's not easy, but it gets better. 364 00:18:13,164 --> 00:18:16,200 I don't mean to imply that I'm not interested in what you're doing here. 365 00:18:16,238 --> 00:18:18,393 No, it's...I would not be here if I wasn't interested. 366 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:20,721 We need solid, experienced people around here. 367 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,516 We've got a ton of casework. But the main thing here is... 368 00:18:23,553 --> 00:18:25,226 If you bring in your own work, 369 00:18:25,642 --> 00:18:26,614 it's, well, you know, 370 00:18:26,979 --> 00:18:28,419 eat what you kill. 371 00:18:28,947 --> 00:18:30,163 I... I'm sorry? 372 00:18:30,802 --> 00:18:34,459 You bring in a case, you take a direct cut of the fee on top of your salary. 373 00:18:35,416 --> 00:18:37,105 Eat what you kill. 374 00:18:38,607 --> 00:18:40,963 I have reviewed the proposed evidence 375 00:18:41,419 --> 00:18:43,485 with respect to the defendant's online searches 376 00:18:43,522 --> 00:18:45,798 and considered the applicable case law. 377 00:18:45,886 --> 00:18:48,176 There's no question that Mr. Balco's position 378 00:18:48,213 --> 00:18:52,242 that the searches are material to the prosecution's theory does apply. 379 00:18:52,363 --> 00:18:53,228 However, 380 00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:55,603 the fact that the evidence may be material 381 00:18:55,639 --> 00:18:58,446 is not dispositive, as it is more prejudicial than probative, 382 00:18:58,475 --> 00:19:00,042 which in this case, it is. 383 00:19:00,265 --> 00:19:03,464 Therefore, the search-engine reports are to be excluded. 384 00:19:03,580 --> 00:19:04,726 Mr. Balco, 385 00:19:05,191 --> 00:19:08,279 should we bring in the jury? You can call your next witness. 386 00:19:08,317 --> 00:19:11,037 Ms. Chrisman, you and the defendant have been divorced for how long? 387 00:19:11,074 --> 00:19:12,981 Divorced two years, 388 00:19:13,018 --> 00:19:15,048 separated a year and half before that. 389 00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:17,741 And prior to the defendant's arrest, 390 00:19:17,778 --> 00:19:19,977 you shared joint custody of your son, is that correct? 391 00:19:20,014 --> 00:19:20,619 Yes. 392 00:19:20,654 --> 00:19:24,511 I'd like to show you a photograph that has been introduced into evidence. 393 00:19:39,710 --> 00:19:42,495 We've taken the liberty of making sure the boy's genitals 394 00:19:42,532 --> 00:19:44,210 are covered in the image. 395 00:19:45,530 --> 00:19:47,480 Do you recognize the boy in the photo? 396 00:19:47,548 --> 00:19:49,020 It's our son, Justin. 397 00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:51,018 Your and the defendant's son? 398 00:19:51,742 --> 00:19:52,437 Yes. 399 00:19:52,628 --> 00:19:54,323 And have you seen this photo before? 400 00:19:54,326 --> 00:19:57,317 Yes, it was posted on my ex-husband's webpage. 401 00:19:58,437 --> 00:20:02,631 Is this the family-and-friends webpage you recall your husband posting? 402 00:20:02,850 --> 00:20:03,537 Yes. 403 00:20:03,798 --> 00:20:05,215 And the text above 404 00:20:05,508 --> 00:20:09,001 the photo reads "here's Justin." 405 00:20:09,608 --> 00:20:10,563 Is that correct? 406 00:20:10,779 --> 00:20:11,451 Yes. 407 00:20:11,811 --> 00:20:12,631 Thank you. 408 00:20:13,239 --> 00:20:15,265 I'd like to show you one more image. 409 00:20:22,787 --> 00:20:25,397 I'm sorry to put you through this. 410 00:20:25,634 --> 00:20:27,987 Could you please read the text 411 00:20:28,024 --> 00:20:29,864 below the photo of your son? 412 00:20:30,418 --> 00:20:32,279 - "Here's Justin." - Thank you. 413 00:20:38,473 --> 00:20:41,179 You'll notice, this time it wasn't my office 414 00:20:41,244 --> 00:20:43,459 who obscured your son's private area. 415 00:20:43,496 --> 00:20:46,396 The website did that on its home page all on its own. 416 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,056 You see, there's text 417 00:20:48,093 --> 00:20:51,582 on the black circle covering Justin's private parts. 418 00:20:51,993 --> 00:20:52,739 Yes. 419 00:20:53,266 --> 00:20:55,699 Could you please read what it says? 420 00:20:58,689 --> 00:20:59,684 "Click here. 421 00:21:01,972 --> 00:21:04,082 All access $14.99." 422 00:21:04,569 --> 00:21:05,976 And 423 00:21:06,127 --> 00:21:08,281 what is $14.99? 424 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:13,663 The price for my child. 425 00:21:31,895 --> 00:21:34,356 - You and Mr. Chrisman are divorced. - Yes. 426 00:21:34,393 --> 00:21:36,406 It wasn't an amicable divorce, was it? 427 00:21:36,443 --> 00:21:37,057 No. 428 00:21:37,132 --> 00:21:39,884 You did not agree on the disposition of property. 429 00:21:40,051 --> 00:21:42,109 - No. - You did not agree about alimony. 430 00:21:42,146 --> 00:21:44,991 - No. - You were not left feeling good about him. 431 00:21:45,028 --> 00:21:46,619 I was left feeling he's an ass. 432 00:21:46,624 --> 00:21:48,868 So, no, I was not left with good feelings. 433 00:21:48,905 --> 00:21:51,252 So it's safe to say you're not fond of Mr. Chrisman 434 00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:51,963 Yes. 435 00:21:52,085 --> 00:21:53,007 Thank you. 436 00:21:53,116 --> 00:21:53,841 Now, 437 00:21:54,921 --> 00:21:57,306 given all the bitterness of the divorce, 438 00:21:57,343 --> 00:22:01,002 given whatever anger you have towards your ex, 439 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,262 I just want you to answer honestly... 440 00:22:04,094 --> 00:22:05,456 under oath. 441 00:22:06,808 --> 00:22:07,402 Is he, 442 00:22:08,333 --> 00:22:09,400 in your opinion... 443 00:22:11,257 --> 00:22:12,481 a good father? 444 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,421 Nate was a terrible husband. 445 00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:31,229 But as a father, he never missed a birthday... 446 00:22:32,465 --> 00:22:33,608 ... a ballgame. 447 00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:39,577 He loves our son. 448 00:22:41,321 --> 00:22:43,807 He'd step in front of a bus for Justin. 449 00:22:48,956 --> 00:22:49,647 Yes. 450 00:22:51,511 --> 00:22:52,939 He's a good father. 451 00:22:57,315 --> 00:22:58,951 No further questions. 452 00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:02,159 You worked as foreman a welding crew, is that right? 453 00:23:02,197 --> 00:23:04,208 Yes. Commercial high-rises mostly. 454 00:23:04,244 --> 00:23:06,456 The money's been tight since you were divorced? 455 00:23:06,459 --> 00:23:09,670 Money's always been tight, but it's been harder since the divorce. 456 00:23:09,708 --> 00:23:12,423 And if you worked weekends, you would get overtime pay, is that correct? 457 00:23:12,461 --> 00:23:14,754 - Time and a half, that's right. - But you never took weekend work. 458 00:23:14,791 --> 00:23:16,503 No, I wouldn't Miss out on time with Justin. 459 00:23:16,539 --> 00:23:19,716 Plus, I was the coach of his soccer team on weekends. 460 00:23:19,754 --> 00:23:21,823 But you never missed a child-support payment. 461 00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:25,180 I worked nights when Reanne had Justin. I made do. 462 00:23:25,218 --> 00:23:27,714 Nate, had you ever been arrested prior to this? 463 00:23:27,870 --> 00:23:29,450 - No. - Ever accused of a crime? 464 00:23:29,486 --> 00:23:31,188 - No. - How'd you first learn 465 00:23:31,225 --> 00:23:32,718 you were under investigation in this case? 466 00:23:32,754 --> 00:23:34,996 Two detectives showed up at my work site. 467 00:23:35,033 --> 00:23:38,704 And they told my supervisor that they needed me for questioning. 468 00:23:38,909 --> 00:23:40,461 You lost your job after that. 469 00:23:40,496 --> 00:23:42,085 About a week after that. 470 00:23:42,234 --> 00:23:44,769 My boss told me that it wasn't safe for me there anymore. 471 00:23:44,806 --> 00:23:47,706 Guys were calling me a child molester... 472 00:23:47,804 --> 00:23:50,466 Guys that I had worked with for years. 473 00:23:50,566 --> 00:23:54,110 Were you able to continue coaching your son's soccer team? 474 00:23:54,330 --> 00:23:55,340 No. 475 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,262 The other parents didn't want me around their kids. 476 00:23:58,299 --> 00:24:00,101 And custody of Justin? 477 00:24:00,472 --> 00:24:02,329 As soon as the D.A. filed charges, 478 00:24:02,428 --> 00:24:05,117 family court said I couldn't share custody anymore. 479 00:24:05,193 --> 00:24:09,641 I get a supervised visit... one hour, once a week. 480 00:24:10,841 --> 00:24:12,357 That's it. 481 00:24:12,478 --> 00:24:15,768 That's all the time my son and I get together. 482 00:24:19,639 --> 00:24:22,618 Well, judging from what you just said on the stand, 483 00:24:22,656 --> 00:24:25,302 it seems you feel you're the victim in all this. Is that a fair statement? 484 00:24:25,568 --> 00:24:27,262 My whole family's been a victim in this. 485 00:24:27,306 --> 00:24:28,541 Including your son. 486 00:24:28,647 --> 00:24:32,372 He's virtually lost his father. He's been stigmatized. It's been horrible for him. 487 00:24:32,592 --> 00:24:35,370 And yet you don't feel at all responsible for what's happened? 488 00:24:35,408 --> 00:24:38,847 I have the right to take an innocent photo of my child. 489 00:24:39,050 --> 00:24:40,132 So you've said. 490 00:24:40,366 --> 00:24:43,408 And it doesn't bother you that the photo you took of your son 491 00:24:43,446 --> 00:24:46,852 - wound up being sold by a child pornographer? - Oh, of course it bothers me. 492 00:24:46,890 --> 00:24:49,767 - But you feel no remorse over your part in it? - I'm sorry that it happened, 493 00:24:49,804 --> 00:24:51,326 but I didn't do anything wrong. 494 00:24:51,363 --> 00:24:54,276 And I really shouldn't be the person sitting up here defending myself. 495 00:24:54,313 --> 00:24:56,568 So you admit there was a crime committed here. 496 00:24:56,605 --> 00:24:59,234 It's just not you who should be responsible. 497 00:24:59,272 --> 00:25:02,270 It was an innocent photo. 498 00:25:04,033 --> 00:25:05,286 I'm confused. If... 499 00:25:05,706 --> 00:25:07,349 if it was an innocent photo, 500 00:25:07,386 --> 00:25:11,506 then why does it bother you that a child pornographer featured it on his website? 501 00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:13,542 Why are you doing this to me? 502 00:25:14,269 --> 00:25:16,121 If you want to charge someone with something, 503 00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:18,219 why aren't you going after the pervert 504 00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:19,846 who was selling his photo? 505 00:25:19,883 --> 00:25:21,845 He was the one that was doing the exploiting. 506 00:25:21,881 --> 00:25:24,846 You should be going after him, not us. 507 00:25:25,736 --> 00:25:30,231 So the real criminal in all this... if there is one... is this pervert... your word... 508 00:25:30,283 --> 00:25:32,977 who was selling the naked photo of your son online. 509 00:25:33,059 --> 00:25:35,699 It's fair to say that you were bothered by that fact, is that correct? 510 00:25:35,737 --> 00:25:39,652 Of course. I was sickened by it. Any father who loves his son would be. 511 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:42,191 But it was your photo... the photo you took 512 00:25:42,228 --> 00:25:45,253 and posted on your own webpage that this pervert was selling. 513 00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:49,317 - You don't contest that fact. - But I didn't know he was selling it. 514 00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:51,735 Until the detectives... I... I didn't know. 515 00:25:52,428 --> 00:25:55,095 And if you'd known... 516 00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:57,744 What would you have done? 517 00:25:58,663 --> 00:26:01,629 I would have hunted that sicko down and killed him with my bare hands. 518 00:26:01,703 --> 00:26:04,384 Because he's a child pornographer exploiting your son? 519 00:26:04,422 --> 00:26:05,089 Yes. 520 00:26:05,124 --> 00:26:07,883 Exploiting him with an image you gave to him. 521 00:26:07,921 --> 00:26:10,165 No, no. I did not give it to him. 522 00:26:10,202 --> 00:26:13,682 You posted it on a publicly accessible social-networking website. 523 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,803 That's right... for family and friends. 524 00:26:16,952 --> 00:26:18,818 Anyone could see it. 525 00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:22,509 And anyone could take it. Isn't that true? 526 00:26:24,199 --> 00:26:25,415 Apparently so. 527 00:26:25,451 --> 00:26:27,311 You gave it to him. 528 00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:32,675 It was as good as if you had personally dropped a copy in his mailbox. 529 00:26:42,639 --> 00:26:44,556 We do it every day. 530 00:26:44,651 --> 00:26:47,094 "Is she old enough to take the train alone?" 531 00:26:47,282 --> 00:26:49,663 "Should I let him eat fast food again?" 532 00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:52,622 "Can she really wear that outfit to the party?" 533 00:26:53,991 --> 00:26:55,176 They're judgment calls, 534 00:26:55,817 --> 00:26:59,878 parental decisions ordinary people make all the time, but they're 535 00:26:59,917 --> 00:27:01,751 judgment calls. 536 00:27:01,788 --> 00:27:04,435 Who hasn't looked at a child and said, "what parent 537 00:27:04,651 --> 00:27:06,626 would let her wear that outfit?" 538 00:27:06,663 --> 00:27:09,819 And we judge other people on their parenting all the time. 539 00:27:09,857 --> 00:27:13,365 But what we don't do is criminalize the behavior. 540 00:27:13,670 --> 00:27:16,982 Even when we disapprove, we don't seek to incarcerate the parents. 541 00:27:17,078 --> 00:27:21,439 We'd never think to take their children away. Why? 542 00:27:22,682 --> 00:27:26,991 Because we understand that parenting is complicated. 543 00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:31,324 And unless someone is looking to actually harm a kid, 544 00:27:31,386 --> 00:27:35,158 we can't judge because we all do things, as parents, 545 00:27:35,284 --> 00:27:37,645 that others might look down on. 546 00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:40,975 Harm was the farthest thing from this father's mind 547 00:27:41,013 --> 00:27:44,454 that evening when he snapped an innocent photo of his son. 548 00:27:44,554 --> 00:27:46,538 Harm was the farthest thing from his mind 549 00:27:46,581 --> 00:27:49,336 when he posted it for his family to see and adore. 550 00:27:49,479 --> 00:27:53,291 Harm never entered the equation. 551 00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:57,842 Nate Chrisman 552 00:27:58,226 --> 00:28:01,472 is a decent, hardworking man, 553 00:28:01,843 --> 00:28:06,197 an attentive and loving parent... even his ex-wife said it. 554 00:28:07,432 --> 00:28:10,522 You can... you can blame him for poor judgment. 555 00:28:10,554 --> 00:28:13,755 You can rebuke him for foolishness or shortsightedness. 556 00:28:13,935 --> 00:28:16,005 You can even sympathize with him 557 00:28:16,169 --> 00:28:20,503 for the tragic misappropriation of his son's image. 558 00:28:25,206 --> 00:28:29,281 What you cannot do is believe for a second that this father 559 00:28:29,548 --> 00:28:33,905 looked at this photo and saw in the laughing eyes of his beloved son... 560 00:28:35,002 --> 00:28:36,743 a sexual object. 561 00:28:38,215 --> 00:28:40,029 Then he didn't commit 562 00:28:40,076 --> 00:28:43,872 the crimes they've charged. 563 00:28:44,411 --> 00:28:48,284 This father has suffered for a year. 564 00:28:48,904 --> 00:28:52,431 You have a chance to set things right. 565 00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:56,156 You can't undo what's been done to this family. 566 00:28:56,571 --> 00:28:59,646 But when you find this father not guilty, 567 00:29:01,121 --> 00:29:03,318 you can give him a fresh start, 568 00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:07,786 a chance to begin to rebuild the life that's been taken away by this case. 569 00:29:11,515 --> 00:29:12,369 Thank you. 570 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,936 There are bad people in this world... 571 00:29:23,973 --> 00:29:27,456 Killers, rapists, predators of all sorts. 572 00:29:27,693 --> 00:29:29,895 They lurk in the shadows of our streets, 573 00:29:29,932 --> 00:29:33,880 and now they lurk in the shady, anonymous world of the internet. 574 00:29:34,615 --> 00:29:37,019 And standing above all the responsibilities of parenthood 575 00:29:37,056 --> 00:29:40,780 your child from these people, 576 00:29:40,907 --> 00:29:42,971 to protect them from the devastating harm 577 00:29:43,008 --> 00:29:47,758 they can inflict on those who cannot protect themselves. 578 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,840 Nate Chrisman didn't do that. 579 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,003 What he did was toss a loaded gun into a cage full of killers 580 00:29:54,036 --> 00:29:56,210 and then cried victim when someone got hurt. 581 00:29:56,247 --> 00:29:59,497 And make no mistake about it... someone did get hurt. 582 00:29:59,837 --> 00:30:02,885 Nate Chrisman's son will spend the rest of his life 583 00:30:02,923 --> 00:30:05,349 being objectified by pedophiles. 584 00:30:05,386 --> 00:30:07,144 He got hurt. 585 00:30:08,579 --> 00:30:10,779 And we all got hurt. 586 00:30:11,377 --> 00:30:14,339 Because tolerating a culture of pedophilia 587 00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:18,651 perverts the fundamental decency of every person 588 00:30:18,745 --> 00:30:20,317 in this society. 589 00:30:21,835 --> 00:30:25,823 The defendant said himself he has no remorse. 590 00:30:27,183 --> 00:30:31,011 No remorse deserves no sympathy. 591 00:30:31,758 --> 00:30:35,144 The fact that child pornographers used the images in ways he never intended 592 00:30:35,182 --> 00:30:36,900 is not a defense. 593 00:30:37,405 --> 00:30:40,522 He gave them the means. He gave them the opportunity. 594 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,859 He created the conditions under which a crime could occur. 595 00:30:47,177 --> 00:30:49,952 You can't plant the seeds 596 00:30:50,661 --> 00:30:52,597 and cultivate the garden 597 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:56,114 and then disavow the fruit. 598 00:30:57,726 --> 00:31:02,050 "Boys, boys, boys. Click here for full access." 599 00:31:05,118 --> 00:31:07,305 That's his legacy. 600 00:31:09,074 --> 00:31:11,498 That's his parenting. 601 00:31:12,622 --> 00:31:14,760 That's his crime. 602 00:31:40,436 --> 00:31:42,480 I'm heading out. You need anything? 603 00:31:42,517 --> 00:31:46,132 - A damn verdict in my case. - The jury's still not back? 604 00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:49,470 Deliberated three hours and went home. 605 00:31:51,184 --> 00:31:54,097 I hear you killed on your closing argument. 606 00:31:54,133 --> 00:31:56,941 I did. Doesn't help the waiting. 607 00:32:07,516 --> 00:32:09,418 You do know that court's not in session. 608 00:32:09,455 --> 00:32:12,755 - Cellphone is not gonna ring with a verdict. - I know. 609 00:32:13,221 --> 00:32:15,101 You're not well, Jerry. 610 00:32:31,273 --> 00:32:34,350 - Buy you a beer? - I'm working. 611 00:32:37,212 --> 00:32:40,548 - Is it good? - I think you'll be satisfied. 612 00:32:41,439 --> 00:32:43,606 Look at that. You got the envelope. 613 00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:47,404 I'm done working. Beer would be great. 614 00:32:49,374 --> 00:32:50,374 Hey. 615 00:32:52,213 --> 00:32:53,388 So... 616 00:32:54,501 --> 00:32:56,384 How was the interview? 617 00:32:56,736 --> 00:32:57,976 Surprising. 618 00:32:58,012 --> 00:33:00,731 - They actually do interesting work. - Really? 619 00:33:00,769 --> 00:33:02,737 - Yes, really. - Okay. 620 00:33:05,221 --> 00:33:08,676 - Can I say one thing? - Just one? That's doubtful. 621 00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:11,227 - Don't do it. - Oh, come on, Jerry. 622 00:33:11,264 --> 00:33:13,863 No, don't do it. That's all. Who cares where you live? 623 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,557 I know that you're happy living in a box on the street 624 00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:20,902 so long as you're doing good for the world, but I happen to care about my home and my future. 625 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:24,330 Okay, this is really about a place to live? Don't leave over that. I mean, 626 00:33:24,368 --> 00:33:26,076 you can move in with me. 627 00:33:26,638 --> 00:33:27,914 Move in with... 628 00:33:27,951 --> 00:33:31,413 Jerry, you think I should move in with you so that I can keep my job? 629 00:33:31,451 --> 00:33:34,009 - Why not? - 'Cause I don't make decisions about my life that way. 630 00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:35,622 - Okay, well, maybe you should start. - Okay, 631 00:33:35,658 --> 00:33:37,706 - Jerry, I don't know what I'm gonna do. - Bobbi, I'm... 632 00:33:37,743 --> 00:33:40,403 I'm... I know that you're having a hard time waiting for your verdict, 633 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,058 but I'm losing my marriage and I'm facing losing my home, 634 00:33:43,096 --> 00:33:46,434 and right now I don't need your judgments. 635 00:33:59,722 --> 00:34:00,722 Gavin. 636 00:34:03,902 --> 00:34:06,570 I'm sorry. I know I know you. 637 00:34:06,607 --> 00:34:08,933 Roz Whitman, Bobbi's boss. 638 00:34:09,082 --> 00:34:10,082 Right. 639 00:34:10,733 --> 00:34:11,733 She okay? 640 00:34:11,769 --> 00:34:14,940 She'd be better if you weren't trying to get her kicked out of her apartment. 641 00:34:14,978 --> 00:34:16,180 Divorce. 642 00:34:16,767 --> 00:34:20,176 - Things happen. - I brought something for you. 643 00:34:28,013 --> 00:34:30,598 Pretty good shots, given the angle, don't you think? 644 00:34:30,635 --> 00:34:31,953 What the hell is this? 645 00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:34,471 Surveillance photos of you making a drug buy. 646 00:34:34,509 --> 00:34:37,034 My investigator will testify those were taken two days ago... 647 00:34:37,071 --> 00:34:39,071 121st and Morningside. 648 00:34:39,162 --> 00:34:42,212 East general pharmacy running short of supplies? 649 00:34:42,328 --> 00:34:44,904 What, you're here to arrest me? 650 00:34:45,033 --> 00:34:47,594 I'm a public defender. I don't make arrests. 651 00:34:47,631 --> 00:34:51,127 But I can send that to the D.A. or the medical board. 652 00:34:51,165 --> 00:34:55,965 May or may not mean jail time, but it sure would mean you would lose your medical license. 653 00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:58,839 - Bobbi put you up to this. - Bobbi doesn't know about this, 654 00:34:58,876 --> 00:35:01,506 and if she finds out, I will put those in the mail. 655 00:35:01,543 --> 00:35:03,704 You see, my lawyers work very hard for their clients, 656 00:35:03,741 --> 00:35:06,374 which means they need to come in rested. 657 00:35:06,411 --> 00:35:09,829 So I don't let them get booted out of their homes if I can help it. 658 00:35:09,867 --> 00:35:12,201 You are not getting that apartment. 659 00:35:14,533 --> 00:35:18,633 It's the last thing she has of her grandmother's. Have a little decency. 660 00:35:30,057 --> 00:35:32,127 Ladies and gentlemen, I have received a note from you 661 00:35:32,164 --> 00:35:34,911 indicating that you are unable to reach a verdict. 662 00:35:34,948 --> 00:35:37,681 This is an important case. It's expensive 663 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,319 in terms of time, effort, money, and emotional strain. 664 00:35:41,483 --> 00:35:44,699 I have no reason to believe that either side could try this case 665 00:35:44,737 --> 00:35:48,272 better or more exhaustively than it has been tried before you. 666 00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:51,430 Therefore, "if a majority of you favor a conviction, 667 00:35:51,468 --> 00:35:55,038 "those who disagree should reconsider your reasonable doubts. 668 00:35:55,042 --> 00:35:58,038 "If a majority or even fewer favor an acquittal, 669 00:35:58,083 --> 00:36:01,424 those favoring conviction might wish to re-examine their positions." 670 00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:06,417 Now, I am not asking you to surrender sincerely held beliefs. 671 00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:10,735 But I remind you that it is your duty to try to agree on a verdict. 672 00:36:10,871 --> 00:36:12,326 This is your job. 673 00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:14,937 I'm gonna ask you now to retire to the jury room 674 00:36:14,957 --> 00:36:18,307 and continue your deliberations until you have one. 675 00:36:39,627 --> 00:36:41,399 Hi. How you doing? 676 00:36:41,475 --> 00:36:43,108 - Better. Thanks. - Good. 677 00:36:43,275 --> 00:36:46,373 - How'd the job interview go? - They made me an offer. 678 00:36:47,590 --> 00:36:49,080 I said no. 679 00:36:49,177 --> 00:36:52,286 Turns out my ex did a 180 on the divorce settlement. 680 00:36:52,513 --> 00:36:55,783 My attorney called to say he's totally backed off. 681 00:36:57,951 --> 00:37:00,399 Wow. So you get to keep your apartment and your job. 682 00:37:00,466 --> 00:37:02,221 Yeah. Yeah, you were right. 683 00:37:02,272 --> 00:37:04,752 Sometimes things have a way of working themselves out. 684 00:37:04,899 --> 00:37:05,527 Yeah. 685 00:37:06,156 --> 00:37:09,078 Maybe he's not as bad of a guy as I thought. 686 00:37:09,161 --> 00:37:11,819 Well, my guess is you know him pretty well. 687 00:37:11,869 --> 00:37:15,691 - I'm just glad you're not going anywhere. - Me too. 688 00:37:15,837 --> 00:37:19,925 You know, before I found out about my ex changing his tune, 689 00:37:20,009 --> 00:37:23,013 I got the offer and I decided... 690 00:37:23,129 --> 00:37:25,001 That I was gonna walk away from the apartment. 691 00:37:25,466 --> 00:37:28,173 I care where I live, but I like what I do more, 692 00:37:28,256 --> 00:37:31,584 and there's nothing I'd rather do every day. 693 00:37:32,847 --> 00:37:34,072 I know. 694 00:37:55,113 --> 00:37:56,933 It's another hang note. 695 00:38:01,708 --> 00:38:06,234 I have received from your foreman another note indicating that you cannot... 696 00:38:06,318 --> 00:38:11,391 And I note this time that "cannot" is underlined three times... reach a decision. 697 00:38:11,637 --> 00:38:13,986 This has been a difficult and complicated case. 698 00:38:14,129 --> 00:38:16,300 I have no reason to believe that you haven't, in all good faith, 699 00:38:16,334 --> 00:38:18,267 tried to reach a unanimous verdict. 700 00:38:18,897 --> 00:38:23,318 And it is my impression from this note that you are inalterably hung. 701 00:38:23,412 --> 00:38:27,461 Therefore, I will declare a mistrial on every count of the indictment. 702 00:38:27,776 --> 00:38:29,956 You are discharged. 703 00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:35,216 That's it? What happens next? 704 00:38:36,493 --> 00:38:39,537 - I need to talk to the prosecution. - About what? 705 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,315 He can choose to try the case again. 706 00:38:43,995 --> 00:38:47,136 That's double jeopardy, right? 707 00:38:47,219 --> 00:38:49,938 No, it's a mistrial, Nate. Double jeopardy doesn't apply. 708 00:38:49,956 --> 00:38:51,132 Yeah, but so... I mean, what? 709 00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:53,743 I mean, the D.A.... he just gets to call a do-over? 710 00:38:53,874 --> 00:38:56,451 - Let me... Let me talk to him, okay? - I thought this would be over. 711 00:38:57,211 --> 00:38:59,634 I mean, one way or the other, I... I thought we'd win. 712 00:38:59,737 --> 00:39:03,355 But, you know, I prepared myself for the... 713 00:39:07,808 --> 00:39:11,479 - All right, so if there's another trial, would it happen right away? - No. 714 00:39:11,525 --> 00:39:14,927 We'd, uh, have to wait for a court date again. Probably months. 715 00:39:15,462 --> 00:39:16,775 How many months? 716 00:39:17,356 --> 00:39:20,320 Until there's a space on the docket. A case like this... 717 00:39:20,542 --> 00:39:23,716 Six to eight. 718 00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:33,040 Eight months more being under indictment for child porn, 719 00:39:33,577 --> 00:39:38,069 being with my boy only in supervised visits? 720 00:39:39,967 --> 00:39:42,129 And then another trial after that? 721 00:39:45,634 --> 00:39:47,603 I can't go through this again. 722 00:39:49,334 --> 00:39:50,319 No way. 723 00:39:53,905 --> 00:39:55,805 Let me talk to the prosecution. 724 00:39:56,580 --> 00:39:57,462 All right. 725 00:39:59,385 --> 00:40:00,135 Okay. 726 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,462 Drop it? That's your proposal? 727 00:40:07,497 --> 00:40:10,352 We both know you'll never get a jury to convict if you retry this case. 728 00:40:10,384 --> 00:40:12,700 And you'll never get a jury to acquit. 729 00:40:13,377 --> 00:40:14,870 So here we are. 730 00:40:20,612 --> 00:40:21,776 I keep this here. 731 00:40:24,156 --> 00:40:28,860 Glencallan... 35-year, Kiernan's choice, 1967. 732 00:40:29,009 --> 00:40:30,748 This is a great bottle. 733 00:40:32,689 --> 00:40:34,864 I only open it when I get a big win. 734 00:40:35,526 --> 00:40:36,729 Let's do this. 735 00:40:36,759 --> 00:40:40,351 Three years probation, parenting-skills program, 736 00:40:40,418 --> 00:40:42,609 sex-offender registration... 737 00:40:44,053 --> 00:40:45,779 ...we both drink. 738 00:40:47,476 --> 00:40:49,715 It's the same offer he turned down before, Nick. 739 00:40:49,830 --> 00:40:52,713 - He didn't know it was unwinnable before. - Neither did you. 740 00:40:54,103 --> 00:40:55,217 I'm not convinced. 741 00:40:55,259 --> 00:40:58,468 You know he can't take sex-offender status. It will tar him for life. 742 00:40:58,496 --> 00:41:01,553 Every time he tries to get an apartment, applies for a job. 743 00:41:01,582 --> 00:41:03,104 He'll lose custody of his son. 744 00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:04,245 That's the point. 745 00:41:04,906 --> 00:41:07,290 The man is not a sex offender. 746 00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:10,927 His son was sexually exploited, and it's his fault. 747 00:41:11,044 --> 00:41:11,930 What does that make him? 748 00:41:11,994 --> 00:41:15,935 This man loves his son Nick. You know that. 749 00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:18,168 Do the right thing for once. 750 00:41:21,909 --> 00:41:22,854 Does it ever occur to you 751 00:41:22,888 --> 00:41:24,528 that other people have a legitimate point of view 752 00:41:24,642 --> 00:41:27,638 or different moral perspective than your own? 753 00:41:28,437 --> 00:41:31,481 Just maybe you're not always absolutely right? 754 00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:33,916 We both know he's not a sex offender, okay? 755 00:41:34,064 --> 00:41:36,894 - So he'll take the probation... - This was a peace offering. 756 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,813 I was being professional. 757 00:41:39,028 --> 00:41:42,173 And you tell me you don't think I believe what I'm doing is right? 758 00:41:42,209 --> 00:41:45,054 You think, what, I'm just trying to get another win? That's 759 00:41:45,076 --> 00:41:46,255 why I do what I do? 760 00:41:46,372 --> 00:41:50,007 It's not out of my own sense of what's right? 761 00:41:53,074 --> 00:41:54,664 How wrong you are. 762 00:41:55,851 --> 00:41:59,177 Check the calendar and pick a date. 763 00:41:59,673 --> 00:42:01,898 - You don't want to try this case again. - Pick a date. 764 00:42:02,045 --> 00:42:05,202 It's not worth the agony for anyone. 765 00:42:05,341 --> 00:42:06,952 Then take the deal.T 766 00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:09,537 ake the deal and have a drink 767 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,738 or pick a date and we'll try it again. 768 00:42:22,705 --> 00:42:26,442 Transcripted by mczolly and chamallow35 769 00:42:27,010 --> 00:42:32,782 www.addic7ed.com 770 00:42:32,832 --> 00:42:37,382 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 63862

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