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Of course I did it.
He's my son.
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- What are you people talking about?
- The photo.
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I took a picture of my son.
I put it online. Big deal.
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- They'll introduce this at trial.
- Good. They can see how insane it all is.
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It's an admission.
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I took a picture of my son in the tub.
I can't take a picture of my own kid?
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It was posted online.
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For my friends and family!
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I- I know it seems crazy, but the bureau
chief is doing this case himself,
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which means the D.A.'s office
is trying to make a point.
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- And promoting and possessing a sexual performance by a child --
- What performance?
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When you take a picture, nate,
it's considered a performance.
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Not sexual.
My god.
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He was going "ta-da."
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- It was cute.
- I know.
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I -- if we lose -- If we lose, you can go
to prison as a child sex offender,
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- which means --
- I- I know what it means.
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That's all I've been thinking
about since the arrest.
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One year...
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Only seeing my son in
supervised visits with my ex.
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One year of people at his school
calling me a... pedophile.
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People looking at me
like I'm filth.
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If we can get a disposition,
avoid trial --
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I need to get my son back.
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What would you do?
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Transcripted by mczolly and chamallow35
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RAISING THE BAR -- Season 2 Episode 4
"No Child's Left Behind"
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And you really want to criminalize every parent
who takes an innocent picture of their kid?
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If it turned out the picture was being
sold by an online child pornographer,
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- as your guy's was, I'd file every time.
- He didn't know about that, Nick.
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Oh, so you're going with
the "he didn't know" defense.
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Thanks for the heads-up.
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By the way, juries generally
think it's a parent's job
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to know to protect their child.
That's gonna be my approach --
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Just so you're not surprised.
Professional courtesy.
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Okay, at worst, he's not as responsible
a parent as he could have been.
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Can't we just plead it
to a violation, all move on?
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I'll drop the
sexual-performance charges.
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He can take child
endangerment, no jail time,
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parenting training,
sex-offender registration.
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Register as a sex offender? Because
he took a picture of his kid?
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- Getting out of a tub?
- You're the one asking for a deal.
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And if he doesn't take it, you actually
want to put this guy in jail?
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I want people to understand
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your webpages aren't
as private as you think --
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Protect your kids.
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If he winds up behind bars, it'll be
because you couldn't sell him on a plea.
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All right.
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- Do we have a disposition in this matter?
- I think it is safe to say we do not.
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All right. We'll go
to trial tomorrow.
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Your Honor, I have
some additional discovery.
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Defendant's search-engine report
for the year prior to his arrest.
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- You got to be kidding.
- Are you kidding, Mr. Balco?
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Not kidding, Your Honor.
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Page 84.
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"hot teens, barely legal."
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I told you to take the plea.
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Very well.
Unless there's anything else,
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voir dire in the morning.
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So I've surfed for porn.
You know, I'm a single guy.
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Is that illegal?
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No. But they'll use it
to...paint a picture.
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Every search I did.
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How do they even get this stuff?
I mean, that's like my private thoughts.
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- Excluding it is gonna be a long shot.
- That's why he thinks I'll take a plea?
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Well, that and the fact that child
endangerment is a misdemeanor.
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You know, no jail time, but you'd
have to register as a sex offender.
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You aren't telling me
to take that?
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Sex-offender registration will
follow you for your whole life,
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but a jury is always
a roll of the dice.
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I didn't do anything wrong.
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And the jury will see that.
They'll have to.
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Right?
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As for disposition
of joint property --
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The traditional 50/50 split,
we've complied a list,
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but it's
pretty standard --
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Car, bank account,
apartment.
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The apartment --
That's not joint property.
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I bought that with
my grandmother's inheritance.
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- Inheritance is separate property.
- Yes.
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But you made your monthly mortgage
payments from your joint account.
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The joint account?
Gavin was in school.
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All that ever went into
that account was my salary.
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Salary during a marriage
is joint property.
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So if you made payments
from that account,
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it makes your apartment
joint property, too.
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Come on, Gavin.
I live there.
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You know my grandmother wanted
that money to provide me with a home.
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Well, I'm sure she also wanted
us to stay together forever.
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Not meant to be.
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- I'm not leaving the apartment.
- We'll get an independent appraisal.
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- You can buy out his half.
- I can't afford --
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T- the loan payment's already at the
limit of my budget. You know what I make.
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Then, um... We'll have to sell it.
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Split the proceeds.
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So this is your plan --
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To use the system to
screw me out of my home,
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out of my grandmother's
inheritance?
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Well, you love the law so much,
I'm just saying...
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Let's stick to it.
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So a guy takes a
picture of his kid,
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puts it on his own
personal webpage,
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and some sleazy pornographer grabs
the image, sells it to perverts,
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and the cops want to arrest
the father, who had no idea?
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The guy is charged with possessing and
promoting a sexual performance by a child.
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Look at the evidence. He
possessed it. He promoted it.
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Last I checked, ignorance
of the law isn't a defense.
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Come on. You really think this photo
constitutes a sexual performance?
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Yes. Have you seen
the webpage it ended up on?
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- I mean, it's disgusting.
- So what?
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So what?
It's pedophilia.
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Look,
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let's say, unbeknownst to
the father who took the picture,
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some deviant found it online
and is getting off on it.
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Right, let's even say
there's an entire
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twisted subsection
of the porn industry
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based on adorable pictures of kids
taken lovingly by their parents.
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It's gross.
But who does it harm?
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So there should be
no child-pornography laws?
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Child-porn laws are to protect children
from being forced into prostitution
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and abusive situations,
but there's no abuse here.
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- Come on.
- No, look, the --
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The kid didn't know there was some sicko
out there -- The father didn't even know.
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But there was a sicko,
and he was selling the picture.
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And say some other sicko
buys the picture,
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gets obsessed with the kid,
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decides to track
him down, snatch him.
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Track him down?
How is he gonna track him down?
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Do -- do you even hear
how ridiculous you sound?
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So he fails to track him down,
but he's still obsessed.
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And so he's obsessing over
the picture of the kid.
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He finds another
kid to grab.
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Oh, so, if -- if someone grabs
a kid after reading "Lolita,"
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- we should ban the book?
- Okay, okay, okay.
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Okay, you're officially
arguing the case now.
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I'm not arguing.
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So that means you're not gonna make a
motion to suppress the internet search report?
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This is a matter
before the courts, okay?
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Don't make me stick my fingers in my ears
and sing "Pop goes the weasel."
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We can talk about anything
but this, okay?
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- Fine.
- Please.
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All right.
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You've been quiet.
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- How'd your settlement conference go today?
- Great.
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- Anyone have 200 grand I can borrow?
- What?
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My ex found a brilliant loophole
to take the apartment
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I bought with my
grandmother's inheritance.
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Legal loophole --
He's loving it.
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- Can you fight it?
- Not really.
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I know it's just an apartment,
and who cares, right?
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But it's all I have
from my grandmother.
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And I can't get a loan,
not in this market at my salary,
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and I can't afford
to buy him out.
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- Is there anything we can do to help?
- No, thanks.
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Actually, if you know
of any firms that are looking...
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Don't look at me that way.
I need to know what my options are.
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I didn't say anything.
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I could set you up with
a meeting at my dad's firm.
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Guarantee you'd
hate it there.
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Probably.
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I mean, I love this job.
We all love the job.
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I just didn't think I'd have to choose
between the home I love and the job I love.
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Good morning,
ladies and gentlemen.
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The voir dire process is our
chance to assemble an honest jury.
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For your part, we need
you to be honest here.
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We're gonna be asking you a series of
questions. We just need you to be frank,
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and don't anyone try to talk
their way out of service.
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I can smell a scam a mile away.
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Uh, your honor, before we start,
can we approach?
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Due to the nature of this case,
I'd like to move
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for an individually
sequestered voir dire.
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That should drag things out
by a week or so.
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Mr. Balco, do you have
an opinion on this?
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It's a sensitive case.
There'll be personal questions.
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I agree with counsel. Sequestered
voir dire is appropriate.
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Well, aren't you two
getting along?
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Must be a cold day in hell.
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All right, my chambers.
Voir dire, 15 minutes.
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Let's try to be efficient.
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I'm just gonna ask you
a couple questions here.
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- Ever served on a jury?
- Ever been convicted of a crime?
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Do you currently belong
to any social-networking sites?
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Does the fact that charges involve child pornography --
Does that make it hard for you to judge?
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Would you leave your kid in a stroller on the
sidewalk if you ran in to get a cup of coffee,
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if you could see him
through the window?
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Hi, there.
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- What do you do for a living?
- How often do you use the internet?
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- Do you look at pornography online?
- You have kids?
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Do you consider yourself
a private person?
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Is anyone in your family or close friends
a police officer or works in law enforcement?
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Do you think the government
has a role in parenting?
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Would you leave your kid in a stroller on the
sidewalk if you ran in to get a cup of coffee,
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if you could see him
through the window?
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As to jurors 1 through 15,
challenges for cause.
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Mr. Balco.
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Uh, 4 and...7.
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- 4 was the college kid who clearly stated that she --
- That's okay.
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Defense consents to both.
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- Mr. Kellerman, for cause?
- Uh, just number 12, judge.
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She indicated that a family member
was a victim of sexual abuse.
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My guess is she was talking about
herself. Can't be impartial.
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Mr. Balco?
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People consent.
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Fine. Perempts. People.
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1...9... and 11, judge.
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- Mr. Kellerman.
- Number 6. She doesn't want to be here.
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That's no reason to let her out of service.
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Maybe, judge, but I don't want
her taking it out on my client.
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- Is that your only one?
- I'm good.
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Charlie, where does that put us?
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- Eight in the box.
- Gentlemen, I'm impressed.
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At this rate, we will have
a jury by this afternoon.
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- Hi.
- Sorry to bother you.
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I, uh, I need to take a half-day
later in the week.
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Sure. Just as long as
your cases are covered.
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- Everything all right?
- Yeah.
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No. I have a job interview.
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Richard's father's firm.
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You heard.
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Well, there aren't any secrets from me here.
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- It's not that I don't love it here.
- You don't have to explain yourself.
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Divorce can knock you over.
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Yeah.
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But you get through it.
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I know.
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It's just... I have to start
facing the reality of it,
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- and that may mean some tough choices.
- Yeah. Well, I know that's tempting,
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especially when you're feeling vulnerable.
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Don't... hate me for exploring my options.
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When I said I know it's tempting,
I wasn't being hypothetical.
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I've actually met at private law firms.
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I've met at the one that
you're meeting at, so...
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I'd hate to lose you, but I get it.
234
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If you need a reference, if
you need me to make a call...
235
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Thank you.
236
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Just don't do anything out of panic, okay?
237
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Sometimes these things have a
way of working themselves out.
238
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Not when it comes to my ex, but
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thanks for the sentiment.
240
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We monitor suspicious websites,
241
00:12:19,196 --> 00:12:22,381
work with internet-service providers
to track down suspect material.
242
00:12:22,490 --> 00:12:24,822
And as lead investigator on this case, detective,
243
00:12:24,860 --> 00:12:26,529
what led you to the defendant?
244
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One of the sites we've been monitoring
sells explicit photos of prepubescent boys.
245
00:12:31,237 --> 00:12:33,991
We have a program that searches
for image matches online
246
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- to help find the source of the photos.
- And in this case?
247
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It led us to a social-networking site,
specifically the defendant's webpage.
248
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So the photograph was for sale on
a known child pornographer's website,
249
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and you traced its origins
250
00:12:45,843 --> 00:12:47,459
- to the defendant's webpage.
- Correct.
251
00:12:47,507 --> 00:12:50,421
And you obtained a search warrant and
searched the defendant's computer?
252
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Yes.
253
00:12:51,378 --> 00:12:53,772
And how many other images did
he have of his child naked?
254
00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:56,354
- We cataloged 14.
- 14.
255
00:12:57,501 --> 00:13:00,056
And what other pornographic images
did he have on his computer?
256
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Objection. Approach?
257
00:13:06,404 --> 00:13:07,487
First of all,
258
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the photos of the boy have not
been deemed pornographic.
259
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They were for sale on a
known pornographer's website.
260
00:13:12,717 --> 00:13:14,758
- It seems fairly self-evident ...
- Mr. Balco.
261
00:13:14,910 --> 00:13:16,100
You know the rules.
262
00:13:17,244 --> 00:13:18,172
Okay.
263
00:13:23,918 --> 00:13:26,035
How many other sexually explicit photos ...
264
00:13:26,072 --> 00:13:27,794
- Your honor.
- Sustained.
265
00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:31,406
How many other photos featuring the
sexual organs of adults or children
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did the defendant have on his computer
or find with his online search engine?
267
00:13:34,497 --> 00:13:37,263
- You can't be serious.
- You two, get up here.
268
00:13:40,801 --> 00:13:42,724
Your Honor, my client's online searches
269
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for adult pornography have
no bearing on this case.
270
00:13:45,112 --> 00:13:47,280
This case is about the availability
of pornography.
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00:13:47,318 --> 00:13:50,505
It's a child-porn accusation, and
you're looking to tarnish my client
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- with his private web searches.
- If the defendant is gonna argue
273
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that he could not have foreseen his son's
photo being used by an online pornographer,
274
00:13:56,548 --> 00:13:59,461
then his familiarity with the technology
of online porn distribution
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- is very relevant.
- The late-night web searches of a single guy
276
00:14:01,814 --> 00:14:05,232
are not relevant to anything
other than tilting the jury,
277
00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:06,932
- and you know it.
- Okay, okay.
278
00:14:08,504 --> 00:14:10,377
- Do you have the search-engine reports?
- Of course.
279
00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:13,201
Defense objects to the introduction
of the report, as it is prejudicial.
280
00:14:13,238 --> 00:14:16,157
The people feel it is
essential and probative.
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00:14:16,474 --> 00:14:18,381
I will consider these reports.
282
00:14:18,882 --> 00:14:20,604
In the meantime, Mr. Balco,
283
00:14:20,911 --> 00:14:23,042
unless there's anything more
for this witness,
284
00:14:23,079 --> 00:14:25,381
I think it's Mr. Kellerman's turn.
285
00:14:29,255 --> 00:14:31,423
Detective, you searched
my client's computers.
286
00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:33,913
- Yes.
- You searched his phone records as well.
287
00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:36,096
- Yes.
- And you did not find a single phone call
288
00:14:36,133 --> 00:14:38,888
between my client and the
person who stole the image.
289
00:14:38,925 --> 00:14:39,965
No.
290
00:14:41,204 --> 00:14:43,969
Not a single e-mail or instant
message between them?
291
00:14:44,447 --> 00:14:47,139
- No.
- So despite your extensive investigation,
292
00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:51,024
there is no record of any
contact between Mr. Chrisman
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00:14:51,236 --> 00:14:54,430
and the person who put the photo
on that pornographic website.
294
00:14:54,916 --> 00:14:55,916
No.
295
00:14:56,071 --> 00:14:57,361
And that makes sense.
296
00:14:57,537 --> 00:14:59,876
Because when you first confronted my client,
297
00:14:59,913 --> 00:15:02,609
he was shocked to hear that
an alleged child pornographer
298
00:15:02,701 --> 00:15:04,560
had taken his private photos.
299
00:15:04,597 --> 00:15:06,798
The photos aren't private.
They were posted publicly.
300
00:15:06,835 --> 00:15:10,810
- On his personal web page, right?
- Which anyone on the network
301
00:15:10,848 --> 00:15:13,185
- can access. What did the guy expect?
- "what did...
302
00:15:13,222 --> 00:15:15,104
"what did the guy expect?"
303
00:15:18,074 --> 00:15:19,379
Let's talk about that.
304
00:15:19,445 --> 00:15:22,544
When you told Mr. Chrisman
that a photo of his son
305
00:15:22,611 --> 00:15:25,508
was being sold by an
alleged child pornographer,
306
00:15:25,981 --> 00:15:27,658
- was he shocked?
- Yes.
307
00:15:28,495 --> 00:15:31,149
- It was not what he expected.
- No.
308
00:15:31,445 --> 00:15:33,764
In fact, when you questioned him,
309
00:15:33,994 --> 00:15:37,462
it was obvious that he had no
knowledge that the image had been taken.
310
00:15:37,594 --> 00:15:39,332
He didn't seem to know.
311
00:15:42,723 --> 00:15:44,062
Thank you, detective.
312
00:15:57,021 --> 00:16:00,024
Urgent call to keep it
quiet, the closed door ...
313
00:16:00,061 --> 00:16:02,491
- Everything okay?
- Everything's fine.
314
00:16:02,727 --> 00:16:05,144
- Thanks for coming.
- Of course.
315
00:16:06,301 --> 00:16:07,694
So, I need a favor,
316
00:16:07,730 --> 00:16:10,442
- but it has to be done off the books.
- Okay.
317
00:16:10,479 --> 00:16:13,329
Seriously... after hours,
no office resources.
318
00:16:13,424 --> 00:16:16,194
- Sounds personal.
- Call it personal business.
319
00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:19,034
Say no if you want.
320
00:16:19,768 --> 00:16:23,293
You gave me my start here when no
one else would look at me for a job.
321
00:16:24,964 --> 00:16:26,448
I owe you.
322
00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,098
Where are you leaning
on the computer-search records?
323
00:16:30,136 --> 00:16:33,300
Guy's accused of a computer crime.
It seems as though his computer records
324
00:16:33,337 --> 00:16:35,182
- are essential facts for the case.
- Maybe.
325
00:16:35,219 --> 00:16:37,473
We live in a world where
technology's made it possible
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00:16:37,518 --> 00:16:40,137
to virtually see everything we're
thinking, when we're thinking it.
327
00:16:40,824 --> 00:16:43,419
- It has a vague Big Brother feel.
- Oh, please.
328
00:16:43,464 --> 00:16:46,136
Don't tell me you've been surfing
for porn on court computers.
329
00:16:46,174 --> 00:16:47,727
No, but I wouldn't exactly be thrilled
330
00:16:47,763 --> 00:16:50,733
to have my personal laptop
exposed for the world to see.
331
00:16:50,845 --> 00:16:54,005
Well, don't traffic in child porn, you
don't have anything to worry about, do you?
332
00:16:54,042 --> 00:16:57,149
Don't get accused, you mean.
'Cause once the accusation gets made --
333
00:16:57,187 --> 00:17:00,805
What, you suggesting we use our judicial
power to limit the prosecution?
334
00:17:00,932 --> 00:17:04,463
Of course child sexual abuse
is a terrible thing,
335
00:17:04,673 --> 00:17:05,895
- but --
- "But"?
336
00:17:06,335 --> 00:17:09,862
Charlie, is there really any "but",
that can possibly follow the sentence
337
00:17:09,914 --> 00:17:11,967
"I know child sexual abuse
is a terrible thing"?
338
00:17:12,035 --> 00:17:13,733
From McMartin
to the Wee Care case,
339
00:17:13,818 --> 00:17:16,793
prosecutors go crazy
for child-sex-abuse charges.
340
00:17:16,830 --> 00:17:19,324
Emotional juries
invariably convict.
341
00:17:19,361 --> 00:17:22,394
And years later, we usually find
out the whole case was bogus.
342
00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:24,843
Listen, this guy has opted
for a jury trial.
343
00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,577
- I cannot feed them a verdict.
- No, but...
344
00:17:27,615 --> 00:17:29,670
You can keep them from hearing
evidence that's irrelevant.
345
00:17:29,711 --> 00:17:31,675
Let's be honest --
How in God's name
346
00:17:31,712 --> 00:17:34,269
can the accused's normal
adult sexual activities
347
00:17:34,306 --> 00:17:36,363
have any bearing
on the case
348
00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,269
except to make him
seem icky to the jury?
349
00:17:38,472 --> 00:17:39,472
"Icky"?
350
00:17:39,565 --> 00:17:41,530
Is that a new legal term?
351
00:17:42,329 --> 00:17:44,592
Bring me the search record.
I'll review it.
352
00:17:46,819 --> 00:17:50,382
So, I've been asking around
about you. P.D.'s office loves you,
353
00:17:50,421 --> 00:17:53,065
loves you, D.A.'s
respects you.
354
00:17:53,102 --> 00:17:54,868
- No small feat.
- It's nice to hear.
355
00:17:54,881 --> 00:17:57,918
So, tell me... Why are you thinking
about leaving the P.D.'s?
356
00:17:57,971 --> 00:17:59,311
- Burnout?
- No...
357
00:17:59,347 --> 00:18:00,634
I love it there.
358
00:18:01,646 --> 00:18:03,414
Um, to be perfectly
honest, I'm...
359
00:18:03,451 --> 00:18:05,128
going through a
divorce and there
360
00:18:05,332 --> 00:18:07,469
are economic issues
that I'm dealing with.
361
00:18:07,886 --> 00:18:08,821
Oh. Sorry to hear.
362
00:18:08,874 --> 00:18:11,443
I had some economic issues
with my divorce as well.
363
00:18:11,463 --> 00:18:13,150
It's not easy, but it gets better.
364
00:18:13,164 --> 00:18:16,200
I don't mean to imply that I'm not
interested in what you're doing here.
365
00:18:16,238 --> 00:18:18,393
No, it's...I would not be
here if I wasn't interested.
366
00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:20,721
We need solid, experienced
people around here.
367
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,516
We've got a ton of casework.
But the main thing here is...
368
00:18:23,553 --> 00:18:25,226
If you bring in your own work,
369
00:18:25,642 --> 00:18:26,614
it's, well, you know,
370
00:18:26,979 --> 00:18:28,419
eat what you kill.
371
00:18:28,947 --> 00:18:30,163
I... I'm sorry?
372
00:18:30,802 --> 00:18:34,459
You bring in a case, you take a direct
cut of the fee on top of your salary.
373
00:18:35,416 --> 00:18:37,105
Eat what you kill.
374
00:18:38,607 --> 00:18:40,963
I have reviewed the proposed evidence
375
00:18:41,419 --> 00:18:43,485
with respect to the defendant's online searches
376
00:18:43,522 --> 00:18:45,798
and considered the applicable case law.
377
00:18:45,886 --> 00:18:48,176
There's no question that
Mr. Balco's position
378
00:18:48,213 --> 00:18:52,242
that the searches are material to the
prosecution's theory does apply.
379
00:18:52,363 --> 00:18:53,228
However,
380
00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:55,603
the fact that the evidence may be material
381
00:18:55,639 --> 00:18:58,446
is not dispositive, as it is
more prejudicial than probative,
382
00:18:58,475 --> 00:19:00,042
which in this case, it is.
383
00:19:00,265 --> 00:19:03,464
Therefore, the search-engine
reports are to be excluded.
384
00:19:03,580 --> 00:19:04,726
Mr. Balco,
385
00:19:05,191 --> 00:19:08,279
should we bring in the jury?
You can call your next witness.
386
00:19:08,317 --> 00:19:11,037
Ms. Chrisman, you and the defendant
have been divorced for how long?
387
00:19:11,074 --> 00:19:12,981
Divorced two years,
388
00:19:13,018 --> 00:19:15,048
separated a year and half before that.
389
00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:17,741
And prior to the defendant's arrest,
390
00:19:17,778 --> 00:19:19,977
you shared joint custody of
your son, is that correct?
391
00:19:20,014 --> 00:19:20,619
Yes.
392
00:19:20,654 --> 00:19:24,511
I'd like to show you a photograph
that has been introduced into evidence.
393
00:19:39,710 --> 00:19:42,495
We've taken the liberty of
making sure the boy's genitals
394
00:19:42,532 --> 00:19:44,210
are covered in the image.
395
00:19:45,530 --> 00:19:47,480
Do you recognize the boy in the photo?
396
00:19:47,548 --> 00:19:49,020
It's our son, Justin.
397
00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:51,018
Your and the defendant's son?
398
00:19:51,742 --> 00:19:52,437
Yes.
399
00:19:52,628 --> 00:19:54,323
And have you seen this photo before?
400
00:19:54,326 --> 00:19:57,317
Yes, it was posted on my
ex-husband's webpage.
401
00:19:58,437 --> 00:20:02,631
Is this the family-and-friends webpage
you recall your husband posting?
402
00:20:02,850 --> 00:20:03,537
Yes.
403
00:20:03,798 --> 00:20:05,215
And the text above
404
00:20:05,508 --> 00:20:09,001
the photo reads "here's Justin."
405
00:20:09,608 --> 00:20:10,563
Is that correct?
406
00:20:10,779 --> 00:20:11,451
Yes.
407
00:20:11,811 --> 00:20:12,631
Thank you.
408
00:20:13,239 --> 00:20:15,265
I'd like to show you one more image.
409
00:20:22,787 --> 00:20:25,397
I'm sorry to put you through this.
410
00:20:25,634 --> 00:20:27,987
Could you please read the text
411
00:20:28,024 --> 00:20:29,864
below the photo of your son?
412
00:20:30,418 --> 00:20:32,279
- "Here's Justin."
- Thank you.
413
00:20:38,473 --> 00:20:41,179
You'll notice, this time
it wasn't my office
414
00:20:41,244 --> 00:20:43,459
who obscured your son's private area.
415
00:20:43,496 --> 00:20:46,396
The website did that on its
home page all on its own.
416
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,056
You see, there's text
417
00:20:48,093 --> 00:20:51,582
on the black circle covering
Justin's private parts.
418
00:20:51,993 --> 00:20:52,739
Yes.
419
00:20:53,266 --> 00:20:55,699
Could you please read what it says?
420
00:20:58,689 --> 00:20:59,684
"Click here.
421
00:21:01,972 --> 00:21:04,082
All access $14.99."
422
00:21:04,569 --> 00:21:05,976
And
423
00:21:06,127 --> 00:21:08,281
what is $14.99?
424
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:13,663
The price for my child.
425
00:21:31,895 --> 00:21:34,356
- You and Mr. Chrisman are divorced.
- Yes.
426
00:21:34,393 --> 00:21:36,406
It wasn't an amicable divorce, was it?
427
00:21:36,443 --> 00:21:37,057
No.
428
00:21:37,132 --> 00:21:39,884
You did not agree on the
disposition of property.
429
00:21:40,051 --> 00:21:42,109
- No.
- You did not agree about alimony.
430
00:21:42,146 --> 00:21:44,991
- No.
- You were not left feeling good about him.
431
00:21:45,028 --> 00:21:46,619
I was left feeling he's an ass.
432
00:21:46,624 --> 00:21:48,868
So, no, I was not left with good feelings.
433
00:21:48,905 --> 00:21:51,252
So it's safe to say you're
not fond of Mr. Chrisman
434
00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:51,963
Yes.
435
00:21:52,085 --> 00:21:53,007
Thank you.
436
00:21:53,116 --> 00:21:53,841
Now,
437
00:21:54,921 --> 00:21:57,306
given all the bitterness of the divorce,
438
00:21:57,343 --> 00:22:01,002
given whatever anger you
have towards your ex,
439
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,262
I just want you to answer honestly...
440
00:22:04,094 --> 00:22:05,456
under oath.
441
00:22:06,808 --> 00:22:07,402
Is he,
442
00:22:08,333 --> 00:22:09,400
in your opinion...
443
00:22:11,257 --> 00:22:12,481
a good father?
444
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,421
Nate was a terrible husband.
445
00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:31,229
But as a father, he never
missed a birthday...
446
00:22:32,465 --> 00:22:33,608
... a ballgame.
447
00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:39,577
He loves our son.
448
00:22:41,321 --> 00:22:43,807
He'd step in front of a bus for Justin.
449
00:22:48,956 --> 00:22:49,647
Yes.
450
00:22:51,511 --> 00:22:52,939
He's a good father.
451
00:22:57,315 --> 00:22:58,951
No further questions.
452
00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:02,159
You worked as foreman a
welding crew, is that right?
453
00:23:02,197 --> 00:23:04,208
Yes. Commercial high-rises mostly.
454
00:23:04,244 --> 00:23:06,456
The money's been tight since
you were divorced?
455
00:23:06,459 --> 00:23:09,670
Money's always been tight, but
it's been harder since the divorce.
456
00:23:09,708 --> 00:23:12,423
And if you worked weekends, you would
get overtime pay, is that correct?
457
00:23:12,461 --> 00:23:14,754
- Time and a half, that's right.
- But you never took weekend work.
458
00:23:14,791 --> 00:23:16,503
No, I wouldn't Miss out
on time with Justin.
459
00:23:16,539 --> 00:23:19,716
Plus, I was the coach of
his soccer team on weekends.
460
00:23:19,754 --> 00:23:21,823
But you never missed a child-support payment.
461
00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:25,180
I worked nights when Reanne
had Justin. I made do.
462
00:23:25,218 --> 00:23:27,714
Nate, had you ever been
arrested prior to this?
463
00:23:27,870 --> 00:23:29,450
- No.
- Ever accused of a crime?
464
00:23:29,486 --> 00:23:31,188
- No.
- How'd you first learn
465
00:23:31,225 --> 00:23:32,718
you were under investigation in this case?
466
00:23:32,754 --> 00:23:34,996
Two detectives showed up at my work site.
467
00:23:35,033 --> 00:23:38,704
And they told my supervisor that
they needed me for questioning.
468
00:23:38,909 --> 00:23:40,461
You lost your job after that.
469
00:23:40,496 --> 00:23:42,085
About a week after that.
470
00:23:42,234 --> 00:23:44,769
My boss told me that it wasn't
safe for me there anymore.
471
00:23:44,806 --> 00:23:47,706
Guys were calling me a child molester...
472
00:23:47,804 --> 00:23:50,466
Guys that I had worked with for years.
473
00:23:50,566 --> 00:23:54,110
Were you able to continue
coaching your son's soccer team?
474
00:23:54,330 --> 00:23:55,340
No.
475
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,262
The other parents didn't
want me around their kids.
476
00:23:58,299 --> 00:24:00,101
And custody of Justin?
477
00:24:00,472 --> 00:24:02,329
As soon as the D.A. filed charges,
478
00:24:02,428 --> 00:24:05,117
family court said I couldn't
share custody anymore.
479
00:24:05,193 --> 00:24:09,641
I get a supervised visit...
one hour, once a week.
480
00:24:10,841 --> 00:24:12,357
That's it.
481
00:24:12,478 --> 00:24:15,768
That's all the time my son
and I get together.
482
00:24:19,639 --> 00:24:22,618
Well, judging from what you
just said on the stand,
483
00:24:22,656 --> 00:24:25,302
it seems you feel you're the victim
in all this. Is that a fair statement?
484
00:24:25,568 --> 00:24:27,262
My whole family's been a victim in this.
485
00:24:27,306 --> 00:24:28,541
Including your son.
486
00:24:28,647 --> 00:24:32,372
He's virtually lost his father. He's been
stigmatized. It's been horrible for him.
487
00:24:32,592 --> 00:24:35,370
And yet you don't feel at all
responsible for what's happened?
488
00:24:35,408 --> 00:24:38,847
I have the right to take an
innocent photo of my child.
489
00:24:39,050 --> 00:24:40,132
So you've said.
490
00:24:40,366 --> 00:24:43,408
And it doesn't bother you that
the photo you took of your son
491
00:24:43,446 --> 00:24:46,852
- wound up being sold by
a child pornographer? - Oh, of course it bothers me.
492
00:24:46,890 --> 00:24:49,767
- But you feel no remorse
over your part in it? - I'm sorry that it happened,
493
00:24:49,804 --> 00:24:51,326
but I didn't do anything wrong.
494
00:24:51,363 --> 00:24:54,276
And I really shouldn't be the person
sitting up here defending myself.
495
00:24:54,313 --> 00:24:56,568
So you admit there was
a crime committed here.
496
00:24:56,605 --> 00:24:59,234
It's just not you who
should be responsible.
497
00:24:59,272 --> 00:25:02,270
It was an innocent photo.
498
00:25:04,033 --> 00:25:05,286
I'm confused. If...
499
00:25:05,706 --> 00:25:07,349
if it was an innocent photo,
500
00:25:07,386 --> 00:25:11,506
then why does it bother you that a child
pornographer featured it on his website?
501
00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:13,542
Why are you doing this to me?
502
00:25:14,269 --> 00:25:16,121
If you want to charge someone
with something,
503
00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:18,219
why aren't you going after the pervert
504
00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:19,846
who was selling his photo?
505
00:25:19,883 --> 00:25:21,845
He was the one that was doing the exploiting.
506
00:25:21,881 --> 00:25:24,846
You should be going after him, not us.
507
00:25:25,736 --> 00:25:30,231
So the real criminal in all this... if there
is one... is this pervert... your word...
508
00:25:30,283 --> 00:25:32,977
who was selling the naked
photo of your son online.
509
00:25:33,059 --> 00:25:35,699
It's fair to say that you were bothered
by that fact, is that correct?
510
00:25:35,737 --> 00:25:39,652
Of course. I was sickened by it. Any
father who loves his son would be.
511
00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:42,191
But it was your photo... the photo you took
512
00:25:42,228 --> 00:25:45,253
and posted on your own webpage
that this pervert was selling.
513
00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:49,317
- You don't contest that fact.
- But I didn't know he was selling it.
514
00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:51,735
Until the detectives... I... I didn't know.
515
00:25:52,428 --> 00:25:55,095
And if you'd known...
516
00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:57,744
What would you have done?
517
00:25:58,663 --> 00:26:01,629
I would have hunted that sicko down
and killed him with my bare hands.
518
00:26:01,703 --> 00:26:04,384
Because he's a child pornographer
exploiting your son?
519
00:26:04,422 --> 00:26:05,089
Yes.
520
00:26:05,124 --> 00:26:07,883
Exploiting him with an image you gave to him.
521
00:26:07,921 --> 00:26:10,165
No, no. I did not give it to him.
522
00:26:10,202 --> 00:26:13,682
You posted it on a publicly
accessible social-networking website.
523
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,803
That's right... for family and friends.
524
00:26:16,952 --> 00:26:18,818
Anyone could see it.
525
00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:22,509
And anyone could take it. Isn't that true?
526
00:26:24,199 --> 00:26:25,415
Apparently so.
527
00:26:25,451 --> 00:26:27,311
You gave it to him.
528
00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:32,675
It was as good as if you had personally
dropped a copy in his mailbox.
529
00:26:42,639 --> 00:26:44,556
We do it every day.
530
00:26:44,651 --> 00:26:47,094
"Is she old enough to
take the train alone?"
531
00:26:47,282 --> 00:26:49,663
"Should I let him eat fast food again?"
532
00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:52,622
"Can she really wear that
outfit to the party?"
533
00:26:53,991 --> 00:26:55,176
They're judgment calls,
534
00:26:55,817 --> 00:26:59,878
parental decisions ordinary people
make all the time, but they're
535
00:26:59,917 --> 00:27:01,751
judgment calls.
536
00:27:01,788 --> 00:27:04,435
Who hasn't looked at a child and said, "what parent
537
00:27:04,651 --> 00:27:06,626
would let her wear that outfit?"
538
00:27:06,663 --> 00:27:09,819
And we judge other people on
their parenting all the time.
539
00:27:09,857 --> 00:27:13,365
But what we don't do is
criminalize the behavior.
540
00:27:13,670 --> 00:27:16,982
Even when we disapprove, we don't
seek to incarcerate the parents.
541
00:27:17,078 --> 00:27:21,439
We'd never think to take their
children away. Why?
542
00:27:22,682 --> 00:27:26,991
Because we understand that
parenting is complicated.
543
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:31,324
And unless someone is looking
to actually harm a kid,
544
00:27:31,386 --> 00:27:35,158
we can't judge because we
all do things, as parents,
545
00:27:35,284 --> 00:27:37,645
that others might look down on.
546
00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:40,975
Harm was the farthest thing
from this father's mind
547
00:27:41,013 --> 00:27:44,454
that evening when he snapped
an innocent photo of his son.
548
00:27:44,554 --> 00:27:46,538
Harm was the farthest thing from his mind
549
00:27:46,581 --> 00:27:49,336
when he posted it for his
family to see and adore.
550
00:27:49,479 --> 00:27:53,291
Harm never entered the equation.
551
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:57,842
Nate Chrisman
552
00:27:58,226 --> 00:28:01,472
is a decent, hardworking man,
553
00:28:01,843 --> 00:28:06,197
an attentive and loving parent...
even his ex-wife said it.
554
00:28:07,432 --> 00:28:10,522
You can... you can blame
him for poor judgment.
555
00:28:10,554 --> 00:28:13,755
You can rebuke him for
foolishness or shortsightedness.
556
00:28:13,935 --> 00:28:16,005
You can even sympathize with him
557
00:28:16,169 --> 00:28:20,503
for the tragic misappropriation
of his son's image.
558
00:28:25,206 --> 00:28:29,281
What you cannot do is believe
for a second that this father
559
00:28:29,548 --> 00:28:33,905
looked at this photo and saw in the
laughing eyes of his beloved son...
560
00:28:35,002 --> 00:28:36,743
a sexual object.
561
00:28:38,215 --> 00:28:40,029
Then he didn't commit
562
00:28:40,076 --> 00:28:43,872
the crimes they've charged.
563
00:28:44,411 --> 00:28:48,284
This father has suffered for a year.
564
00:28:48,904 --> 00:28:52,431
You have a chance to set things right.
565
00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:56,156
You can't undo what's been done to this family.
566
00:28:56,571 --> 00:28:59,646
But when you find this father not guilty,
567
00:29:01,121 --> 00:29:03,318
you can give him a fresh start,
568
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:07,786
a chance to begin to rebuild the life
that's been taken away by this case.
569
00:29:11,515 --> 00:29:12,369
Thank you.
570
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,936
There are bad people in this world...
571
00:29:23,973 --> 00:29:27,456
Killers, rapists, predators of all sorts.
572
00:29:27,693 --> 00:29:29,895
They lurk in the shadows of our streets,
573
00:29:29,932 --> 00:29:33,880
and now they lurk in the shady,
anonymous world of the internet.
574
00:29:34,615 --> 00:29:37,019
And standing above all the
responsibilities of parenthood
575
00:29:37,056 --> 00:29:40,780
your child from these people,
576
00:29:40,907 --> 00:29:42,971
to protect them from the devastating harm
577
00:29:43,008 --> 00:29:47,758
they can inflict on those
who cannot protect themselves.
578
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,840
Nate Chrisman didn't do that.
579
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,003
What he did was toss a loaded
gun into a cage full of killers
580
00:29:54,036 --> 00:29:56,210
and then cried victim
when someone got hurt.
581
00:29:56,247 --> 00:29:59,497
And make no mistake about
it... someone did get hurt.
582
00:29:59,837 --> 00:30:02,885
Nate Chrisman's son will spend
the rest of his life
583
00:30:02,923 --> 00:30:05,349
being objectified by pedophiles.
584
00:30:05,386 --> 00:30:07,144
He got hurt.
585
00:30:08,579 --> 00:30:10,779
And we all got hurt.
586
00:30:11,377 --> 00:30:14,339
Because tolerating a culture of pedophilia
587
00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:18,651
perverts the fundamental
decency of every person
588
00:30:18,745 --> 00:30:20,317
in this society.
589
00:30:21,835 --> 00:30:25,823
The defendant said himself
he has no remorse.
590
00:30:27,183 --> 00:30:31,011
No remorse deserves no sympathy.
591
00:30:31,758 --> 00:30:35,144
The fact that child pornographers used
the images in ways he never intended
592
00:30:35,182 --> 00:30:36,900
is not a defense.
593
00:30:37,405 --> 00:30:40,522
He gave them the means. He
gave them the opportunity.
594
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,859
He created the conditions
under which a crime could occur.
595
00:30:47,177 --> 00:30:49,952
You can't plant the seeds
596
00:30:50,661 --> 00:30:52,597
and cultivate the garden
597
00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:56,114
and then disavow the fruit.
598
00:30:57,726 --> 00:31:02,050
"Boys, boys, boys. Click
here for full access."
599
00:31:05,118 --> 00:31:07,305
That's his legacy.
600
00:31:09,074 --> 00:31:11,498
That's his parenting.
601
00:31:12,622 --> 00:31:14,760
That's his crime.
602
00:31:40,436 --> 00:31:42,480
I'm heading out. You need anything?
603
00:31:42,517 --> 00:31:46,132
- A damn verdict in my case.
- The jury's still not back?
604
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:49,470
Deliberated three hours and went home.
605
00:31:51,184 --> 00:31:54,097
I hear you killed on your closing argument.
606
00:31:54,133 --> 00:31:56,941
I did. Doesn't help the waiting.
607
00:32:07,516 --> 00:32:09,418
You do know that court's not in session.
608
00:32:09,455 --> 00:32:12,755
- Cellphone is not gonna ring with a verdict.
- I know.
609
00:32:13,221 --> 00:32:15,101
You're not well, Jerry.
610
00:32:31,273 --> 00:32:34,350
- Buy you a beer?
- I'm working.
611
00:32:37,212 --> 00:32:40,548
- Is it good?
- I think you'll be satisfied.
612
00:32:41,439 --> 00:32:43,606
Look at that. You got the envelope.
613
00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:47,404
I'm done working. Beer would be great.
614
00:32:49,374 --> 00:32:50,374
Hey.
615
00:32:52,213 --> 00:32:53,388
So...
616
00:32:54,501 --> 00:32:56,384
How was the interview?
617
00:32:56,736 --> 00:32:57,976
Surprising.
618
00:32:58,012 --> 00:33:00,731
- They actually do interesting work.
- Really?
619
00:33:00,769 --> 00:33:02,737
- Yes, really.
- Okay.
620
00:33:05,221 --> 00:33:08,676
- Can I say one thing?
- Just one? That's doubtful.
621
00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:11,227
- Don't do it.
- Oh, come on, Jerry.
622
00:33:11,264 --> 00:33:13,863
No, don't do it. That's all.
Who cares where you live?
623
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,557
I know that you're happy
living in a box on the street
624
00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:20,902
so long as you're doing good for the world, but
I happen to care about my home and my future.
625
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:24,330
Okay, this is really about a place to
live? Don't leave over that. I mean,
626
00:33:24,368 --> 00:33:26,076
you can move in with me.
627
00:33:26,638 --> 00:33:27,914
Move in with...
628
00:33:27,951 --> 00:33:31,413
Jerry, you think I should move in
with you so that I can keep my job?
629
00:33:31,451 --> 00:33:34,009
- Why not?
- 'Cause I don't make decisions about my life that way.
630
00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:35,622
- Okay, well, maybe you should start.
- Okay,
631
00:33:35,658 --> 00:33:37,706
- Jerry, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
- Bobbi, I'm...
632
00:33:37,743 --> 00:33:40,403
I'm... I know that you're having a
hard time waiting for your verdict,
633
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,058
but I'm losing my marriage
and I'm facing losing my home,
634
00:33:43,096 --> 00:33:46,434
and right now I don't need your judgments.
635
00:33:59,722 --> 00:34:00,722
Gavin.
636
00:34:03,902 --> 00:34:06,570
I'm sorry. I know I know you.
637
00:34:06,607 --> 00:34:08,933
Roz Whitman, Bobbi's boss.
638
00:34:09,082 --> 00:34:10,082
Right.
639
00:34:10,733 --> 00:34:11,733
She okay?
640
00:34:11,769 --> 00:34:14,940
She'd be better if you weren't trying
to get her kicked out of her apartment.
641
00:34:14,978 --> 00:34:16,180
Divorce.
642
00:34:16,767 --> 00:34:20,176
- Things happen.
- I brought something for you.
643
00:34:28,013 --> 00:34:30,598
Pretty good shots, given
the angle, don't you think?
644
00:34:30,635 --> 00:34:31,953
What the hell is this?
645
00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:34,471
Surveillance photos of
you making a drug buy.
646
00:34:34,509 --> 00:34:37,034
My investigator will testify
those were taken two days ago...
647
00:34:37,071 --> 00:34:39,071
121st and Morningside.
648
00:34:39,162 --> 00:34:42,212
East general pharmacy
running short of supplies?
649
00:34:42,328 --> 00:34:44,904
What, you're here to arrest me?
650
00:34:45,033 --> 00:34:47,594
I'm a public defender.
I don't make arrests.
651
00:34:47,631 --> 00:34:51,127
But I can send that to the
D.A. or the medical board.
652
00:34:51,165 --> 00:34:55,965
May or may not mean jail time, but it sure
would mean you would lose your medical license.
653
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:58,839
- Bobbi put you up to this.
- Bobbi doesn't know about this,
654
00:34:58,876 --> 00:35:01,506
and if she finds out, I
will put those in the mail.
655
00:35:01,543 --> 00:35:03,704
You see, my lawyers work
very hard for their clients,
656
00:35:03,741 --> 00:35:06,374
which means they need to come in rested.
657
00:35:06,411 --> 00:35:09,829
So I don't let them get booted
out of their homes if I can help it.
658
00:35:09,867 --> 00:35:12,201
You are not getting that apartment.
659
00:35:14,533 --> 00:35:18,633
It's the last thing she has of her
grandmother's. Have a little decency.
660
00:35:30,057 --> 00:35:32,127
Ladies and gentlemen, I have
received a note from you
661
00:35:32,164 --> 00:35:34,911
indicating that you are
unable to reach a verdict.
662
00:35:34,948 --> 00:35:37,681
This is an important case. It's expensive
663
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,319
in terms of time, effort,
money, and emotional strain.
664
00:35:41,483 --> 00:35:44,699
I have no reason to believe that
either side could try this case
665
00:35:44,737 --> 00:35:48,272
better or more exhaustively than
it has been tried before you.
666
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:51,430
Therefore, "if a majority
of you favor a conviction,
667
00:35:51,468 --> 00:35:55,038
"those who disagree should reconsider
your reasonable doubts.
668
00:35:55,042 --> 00:35:58,038
"If a majority or even
fewer favor an acquittal,
669
00:35:58,083 --> 00:36:01,424
those favoring conviction might wish
to re-examine their positions."
670
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:06,417
Now, I am not asking you to
surrender sincerely held beliefs.
671
00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:10,735
But I remind you that it is your duty
to try to agree on a verdict.
672
00:36:10,871 --> 00:36:12,326
This is your job.
673
00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:14,937
I'm gonna ask you now to
retire to the jury room
674
00:36:14,957 --> 00:36:18,307
and continue your deliberations
until you have one.
675
00:36:39,627 --> 00:36:41,399
Hi. How you doing?
676
00:36:41,475 --> 00:36:43,108
- Better. Thanks.
- Good.
677
00:36:43,275 --> 00:36:46,373
- How'd the job interview go?
- They made me an offer.
678
00:36:47,590 --> 00:36:49,080
I said no.
679
00:36:49,177 --> 00:36:52,286
Turns out my ex did a 180
on the divorce settlement.
680
00:36:52,513 --> 00:36:55,783
My attorney called to say
he's totally backed off.
681
00:36:57,951 --> 00:37:00,399
Wow. So you get to keep
your apartment and your job.
682
00:37:00,466 --> 00:37:02,221
Yeah. Yeah, you were right.
683
00:37:02,272 --> 00:37:04,752
Sometimes things have a way
of working themselves out.
684
00:37:04,899 --> 00:37:05,527
Yeah.
685
00:37:06,156 --> 00:37:09,078
Maybe he's not as bad
of a guy as I thought.
686
00:37:09,161 --> 00:37:11,819
Well, my guess is you
know him pretty well.
687
00:37:11,869 --> 00:37:15,691
- I'm just glad you're not going anywhere.
- Me too.
688
00:37:15,837 --> 00:37:19,925
You know, before I found out
about my ex changing his tune,
689
00:37:20,009 --> 00:37:23,013
I got the offer and I decided...
690
00:37:23,129 --> 00:37:25,001
That I was gonna walk away
from the apartment.
691
00:37:25,466 --> 00:37:28,173
I care where I live, but
I like what I do more,
692
00:37:28,256 --> 00:37:31,584
and there's nothing I'd
rather do every day.
693
00:37:32,847 --> 00:37:34,072
I know.
694
00:37:55,113 --> 00:37:56,933
It's another hang note.
695
00:38:01,708 --> 00:38:06,234
I have received from your foreman another
note indicating that you cannot...
696
00:38:06,318 --> 00:38:11,391
And I note this time that "cannot" is
underlined three times... reach a decision.
697
00:38:11,637 --> 00:38:13,986
This has been a difficult and complicated case.
698
00:38:14,129 --> 00:38:16,300
I have no reason to believe that
you haven't, in all good faith,
699
00:38:16,334 --> 00:38:18,267
tried to reach a unanimous verdict.
700
00:38:18,897 --> 00:38:23,318
And it is my impression from this
note that you are inalterably hung.
701
00:38:23,412 --> 00:38:27,461
Therefore, I will declare a mistrial
on every count of the indictment.
702
00:38:27,776 --> 00:38:29,956
You are discharged.
703
00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:35,216
That's it? What happens next?
704
00:38:36,493 --> 00:38:39,537
- I need to talk to the prosecution.
- About what?
705
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,315
He can choose to try the case again.
706
00:38:43,995 --> 00:38:47,136
That's double jeopardy, right?
707
00:38:47,219 --> 00:38:49,938
No, it's a mistrial, Nate.
Double jeopardy doesn't apply.
708
00:38:49,956 --> 00:38:51,132
Yeah, but so... I mean, what?
709
00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:53,743
I mean, the D.A.... he
just gets to call a do-over?
710
00:38:53,874 --> 00:38:56,451
- Let me... Let me talk to him, okay?
- I thought this would be over.
711
00:38:57,211 --> 00:38:59,634
I mean, one way or the other,
I... I thought we'd win.
712
00:38:59,737 --> 00:39:03,355
But, you know, I prepared myself for the...
713
00:39:07,808 --> 00:39:11,479
- All right, so if there's another
trial, would it happen right away? - No.
714
00:39:11,525 --> 00:39:14,927
We'd, uh, have to wait for a court
date again. Probably months.
715
00:39:15,462 --> 00:39:16,775
How many months?
716
00:39:17,356 --> 00:39:20,320
Until there's a space on
the docket. A case like this...
717
00:39:20,542 --> 00:39:23,716
Six to eight.
718
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:33,040
Eight months more being under
indictment for child porn,
719
00:39:33,577 --> 00:39:38,069
being with my boy only in
supervised visits?
720
00:39:39,967 --> 00:39:42,129
And then another trial after that?
721
00:39:45,634 --> 00:39:47,603
I can't go through this again.
722
00:39:49,334 --> 00:39:50,319
No way.
723
00:39:53,905 --> 00:39:55,805
Let me talk to the prosecution.
724
00:39:56,580 --> 00:39:57,462
All right.
725
00:39:59,385 --> 00:40:00,135
Okay.
726
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,462
Drop it? That's your proposal?
727
00:40:07,497 --> 00:40:10,352
We both know you'll never get a jury
to convict if you retry this case.
728
00:40:10,384 --> 00:40:12,700
And you'll never get a jury to acquit.
729
00:40:13,377 --> 00:40:14,870
So here we are.
730
00:40:20,612 --> 00:40:21,776
I keep this here.
731
00:40:24,156 --> 00:40:28,860
Glencallan... 35-year, Kiernan's choice, 1967.
732
00:40:29,009 --> 00:40:30,748
This is a great bottle.
733
00:40:32,689 --> 00:40:34,864
I only open it when I get a big win.
734
00:40:35,526 --> 00:40:36,729
Let's do this.
735
00:40:36,759 --> 00:40:40,351
Three years probation, parenting-skills program,
736
00:40:40,418 --> 00:40:42,609
sex-offender registration...
737
00:40:44,053 --> 00:40:45,779
...we both drink.
738
00:40:47,476 --> 00:40:49,715
It's the same offer he
turned down before, Nick.
739
00:40:49,830 --> 00:40:52,713
- He didn't know it was unwinnable before.
- Neither did you.
740
00:40:54,103 --> 00:40:55,217
I'm not convinced.
741
00:40:55,259 --> 00:40:58,468
You know he can't take sex-offender
status. It will tar him for life.
742
00:40:58,496 --> 00:41:01,553
Every time he tries to get
an apartment, applies for a job.
743
00:41:01,582 --> 00:41:03,104
He'll lose custody of his son.
744
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:04,245
That's the point.
745
00:41:04,906 --> 00:41:07,290
The man is not a sex offender.
746
00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:10,927
His son was sexually exploited,
and it's his fault.
747
00:41:11,044 --> 00:41:11,930
What does that make him?
748
00:41:11,994 --> 00:41:15,935
This man loves his son
Nick. You know that.
749
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:18,168
Do the right thing for once.
750
00:41:21,909 --> 00:41:22,854
Does it ever occur to you
751
00:41:22,888 --> 00:41:24,528
that other people have a
legitimate point of view
752
00:41:24,642 --> 00:41:27,638
or different moral perspective
than your own?
753
00:41:28,437 --> 00:41:31,481
Just maybe you're not always
absolutely right?
754
00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:33,916
We both know he's not a
sex offender, okay?
755
00:41:34,064 --> 00:41:36,894
- So he'll take the probation...
- This was a peace offering.
756
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,813
I was being professional.
757
00:41:39,028 --> 00:41:42,173
And you tell me you don't think
I believe what I'm doing is right?
758
00:41:42,209 --> 00:41:45,054
You think, what, I'm just trying to get
another win? That's
759
00:41:45,076 --> 00:41:46,255
why I do what I do?
760
00:41:46,372 --> 00:41:50,007
It's not out of my own sense of what's right?
761
00:41:53,074 --> 00:41:54,664
How wrong you are.
762
00:41:55,851 --> 00:41:59,177
Check the calendar and pick a date.
763
00:41:59,673 --> 00:42:01,898
- You don't want to try this case again.
- Pick a date.
764
00:42:02,045 --> 00:42:05,202
It's not worth the agony for anyone.
765
00:42:05,341 --> 00:42:06,952
Then take the deal.T
766
00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:09,537
ake the deal and have a drink
767
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,738
or pick a date and we'll try it again.
768
00:42:22,705 --> 00:42:26,442
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