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- In 1975, Clearwater, Florida was chosen to be
the international headquarters of Scientology.
The plan was to turn Clearwater
into the first Scientology city.
- Slowly, it's coming out, this town is being taken over.
They have chosen us to be their spiritual headquarters
and they are going to buy up our town.
- And anybody who spoke out against that
was going to be neutralized.
- And these orders, very clearly,
stated, "Find out who your enemies are. Destroy 'em."
The orders, in effect, were occupation orders.
- What's really interesting is that it is the only city
that actually had hearings.
- The city of Clearwater was fighting back.
- We can't deal with this mafia-like organization
in our small town.
- It was a continuing fraudulent enterprise.
It still is to this day, as far as I'm concerned.
- You had people willing to stand up and fight
and they were fighting.
- The city then tried to enact an ordinance
designed to get Scientology out of Clearwater.
- Unfortunately, Clearwater lost.
- We would start hearing about additional properties
that they were buying,
and they stated cherry-picking the areas
so they could control, you know, the... the entire area.
- Today, Scientology has almost achieved its objective
of complete subjugation of downtown Clearwater
of taking over vast tracts of the city
and turning it into the first Scientology city on Earth.
- I am the writer of the textbooks of Scientology.
The aim and goal is to put man in a mental condition,
uh, where he, him, can solve his own problems.
- Without any Scientology organization,
things are not gonna change on this planet.
- After years of slowly questioning Scientology...
- Leah Remini and her very public break
with Scientology...
- Scientology, what they do. Trying to destroy people,
trying to destroy their families when they leave,
they create a lot of people
who are willing to fight against them.
- Scientology takes tax-free dollars,
and ruins people's lives.
- This is not the life that I want to live.
I wanted to end my life.
- Some people, it takes a year.
Some people, it takes ten years
of just peeling that onion of how you were manipulated
and made to think.
- This season, we really needed to focus on
the reason why Scientology is able
to do the things that they do
is because they have tax-exempt status.
- The people who have bravely come on
and told their stories
have not told those stories in vain.
They are having an impact.
- We're presenting our case to the world,
to the FBI, to the IRS.
- The most important thing that has to be done
is the persistent telling of the truth,
and that's what you're doing.
- You have to continue to fight.
You have to continue to fight for what's right.
- You've heard the history
of how Scientology got to Clearwater
but what's really interesting is that it is the only city
that actually had hearings
to deal with the problem of Scientology.
Then the city, unfortunately, overreached
and lost...
To Scientology.
And that was kind of the end of this battle.
That all changed in 1995
with the death of Lisa McPherson.
We've always wanted to tell this story, Mark,
'cause I was just so always touched by what
you and Bob Minton had started
with the death of Lisa McPherson, and...
you know that I've been hounding you for years.
Like, how do we tell her story?
I'm so emotional today.
- Yeah.
- Sorry.
I was crying on the way here.
- I know. - Yeah, it's...
Yeah, yeah, you've shed a couple of tears too.
- Yeah.
But I'm glad that we're finally telling it.
You know, originally we...
You know, we got so many messages
on social media about covering Clearwater
as a, uh, you know, "Hey they're taking over our town,"
and there's long history, but it's turned into something else
which I'm very thankful for that we are able to kind of
stop and tell Lisa's story.
- Lisa McPherson was a devout Scientologist
for 15 years.
She had been recently reconnecting with old friends
and saying that she had doubts
and she was thinking about coming back home,
and shortly after that, she got into a minor fender bender
in downtown Clearwater.
And by the time the police came and the ambulance,
she had stripped off of all of her clothes
and was walking down the street naked,
and a paramedic came up to her and said,
"Why are you doing this?"
And she said, "Because I need somebody
"to pay attention to me.
I need help."
So they took her over to the nearby Morton Plant Hospital
and they checked her in there.
Within an hour,
ten Scientologists came to the hospital
and talked her into leaving and going back with them,
against the doctor's wishes.
They had to release her
and then Scientology took her back to the Fort Harrison Hotel
in locked her in a room for 17 days.
On Scientology's introspection rundown,
where if somebody's having a psychotic break,
you don't talk to them,
you don't respond if they're talking to you,
there's all these rules.
- Unfortunately, Scientology's rules also don't include
having anybody trained to deal with someone in Lisa's state.
They literally grabbed anybody that could be spared.
They had no training;
they had no idea whatsoever what they were doing
and had no ability to effectively
deal with someone in her state.
- Every day, the caretakers would take logs
and you can see in the logs
that her condition is getting worse and worse
and worse every day.
The last three days of her life,
those records were destroyed by Scientology.
Marty Rathbun confessed to that.
He ordered them destroyed.
- Well, hang on.
David Miscavige ordered those documents to be destroyed
through Marty Rathbun who, in fact,
admitted to destroying them.
- Yes.
- You ordered those days of logs to be destroyed.
- Right. - All right,
could you explain, you know, why you did that?
- To protect the organization.
One of them was talking about the witness in the case
pleading with the doctor, who was on staff,
to get Lisa to a doctor.
That was like a smoking gun incriminating
in terms of people knowing
that she was in a deteriorated physical condition.
- As a Scientologist at the time,
I never even heard of Lisa McPherson
or her death.
Scientology is so genius at having parishioners
not look at the news, not read newspapers.
- This was a huge story.
- And then, uh, when they came down with the actual charges,
when our medical examiner, uh, Joan Wood,
uh, came up and... and found out that the cause of death
was... was, uh, not natural, it was not an accident,
um, but it was criminal in nature,
then Scientology once again showed its power,
showed its, uh, capabilities so to speak,
and they went after Joan Wood.
- The fact that Scientology was charged with
criminal neglect in the death of Lisa McPherson
was of enormous concern to David Miscavige
because it was the biggest threat
to the tax-exempt status of Scientology.
You cannot be engaged in illegal activities.
Miscavige spared no expense
to challenge the findings of Joan Wood.
We, Scientology...
- Mm-hmm.
- Hired the foremost criminal pathologist in the world,
three of them who came and lived in Clearwater...
I mean, these were the guys that had just finished
the O.J. Simpson trial... To find credible explanations
that would place the findings of Joan Wood in doubt.
- And they went after Joan Wood and... with a vengeance...
And... and took her down, and ultimately she changed
the autopsy to cause of death as being an accident
and that gutted the state attorneys'...
- The prosecution? - Yeah, the prosecution,
state attorneys', uh, case
and they had to drop the charges.
- It was money to hire people who have great influence.
It was David Miscavige
personally contacting Joan Wood's lawyer
to persuade Joan Wood that she had no choice
but to change her testimony
based on the information that was coming forward
from these medical examiners.
This was a major catastrophe in the Scientology world.
It threatened to expose Miscavige's involvement
in Lisa McPherson's life.
Scientology literally spent millions and millions.
No expense was to be spared because David Miscavige's ass
was on the line.
- There was also a civil case that was funded by
soon-to-become my boss, Bob Minton,
who was a retired
international investment banker,
and he started look back into this in 1995,
and the more Bob started looking into it,
meeting former members, he decided he wanted to help.
And one of the things he did was,
in 2000, he opened up an office right next to Scientology's
Office of Special Affairs in the bank building,
and he gathered a few of us to stand up to Scientology
because the city wasn't.
They had made peace with them.
- The Lisa McPherson Trust was both, uh, an insult
and a threat in the mind of David Miscavige
and in my mind and everybody else
who was in the Office of Special Affairs.
That this avowed financier of anti-Scientology activities
had moved into town
and set up an office right next door to Scientology?
This was, uh, seen as a... A massive failure
that he had been able to do that.
- This space now belongs to the Lisa McPherson Trust
and we are going to change the face of Scientology
and Clearwater forever.
- Scientology doesn't respond to slaps in the face
by turning the other cheek.
The full force of L. Ron Hubbard's philosophy
of attack the attacker and destroy your enemies
was brought to bear on Bob Minton
and the Lisa McPherson Trust,
and I know because I did it.
- So Scientology has been, um, harassing and, uh... uh,
attempting to silence people for decades
and now the Lisa McPherson Trust comes into town.
People were saying, "An injustice is happening.
We're gonna stand up for Lisa McPherson."
And, of course, Scientology says,
"That's not okay.
Attack."
And that's exactly what they did.
Here's this wonderful man, Bob Minton,
creates a trust,
gets good people like you,
and you guys are just doing this
'cause it's the right thing to do.
- Right. - And you set up shop
in Scientology territory, which also takes some balls,
and they are sending Scientologists there
to harass you guys.
That footage is so creepy, Mark, that I saw.
- We quickly recognized what a problem
the Lisa McPherson Trust was.
Miscavige believed that the Lisa McPherson Trust
were there to be in his face,
so he wanted Scientologists
to be back in their face
and make their life uncomfortable.
- It got... kind of got ratcheted up when Bob Minton came and...
And then decided to have an organized protest.
Go in front of the Fort Harrison,
on the sidewalk, hold the signs like you see,
and what happened next was, uh, chaos in a way.
Somebody came up to him and stuck their camera
right in his face, and Bob pushed it away.
It had hit the guy in the head and, of course,
with great dramatic flair, he went to the ground
and, uh, Scientologists all went around him
and stood there in silence
and the police were called and, uh, Bob was arrested.
- For assault? - He was arrested for battery
on this... on this... On this fella.
We went to court over it and explained why he was set up
and to do that, we had to explain Scientology,
fair game, and what it was,
and that became discussed in the trial.
When the case was over, he was acquitted.
- It's just remarkable the lengths that Scientology
will go to.
You talk about the chaos.
There was one night that was really bad,
which we called The Mad Picket.
If you look at the full video,
which I've put out raw and unedited on YouTube,
you can see it starts off quietly
outside the, uh, Fort Harrison Hotel
and after about five minutes of that,
down the street comes the O.T. committee.
- Loser! McDonald's workers!
You guys are losers!
That was sad and pathetic.
- You should go back to your Nazi friends.
- Move along, move along, move along.
Cult member.
- Chop chop! Chop chop! - Move.
- Come on, Mark!
- So, we're there quietly protesting
and then Scientology comes to get in our face, literally,
trying to provoke us
uh, and they had orders to do this.
I caught them on tape.
Like, one guy shoved Bob Minton, I believe it was.
- Watch out! Hey, hey. hey!
- Hold-hold-hold-hold-hold... - Who's that?
- And another Scientologist came up to him and said,
"Let them come to you."
So they wanted to provoke us
so that so that we would do something against them
and have us arrested.
- Sure, sure. - That's their whole goal.
- The problems that we're having with the pro... protesting
got so out of hand, uh, that the... the police
and the politicians and all that said,
"This has got to stop."
And so there was an injunction filed
by the church against the people that were protesting
and we had long hearings in... in front of a... a...
A circuit court judge in Clearwater
where he took testimony about what they were doing,
whether they were violent, and so on and so forth.
And, uh, the judge ultimately issued the injunction.
- And unfortunately, my... my comrade here is named
in one of the injunctions
to stay away from, uh, anybody that's...
I think it says that's a Scientologist.
- Yeah. - And you live in Clearwater!
- Well, wait a minute, how do you know you're a...
They don't go around with a T-shirt...
- Right, right. - Saying "I'm a Scientologist."
But he supposedly has to be clairvoyant
and find out that he has to stay a certain number
of feet not only away from Scientologists,
but anyway from any buildings
that were named in the injunction.
It was a one-sided debacle that was, uh,
really a sad... a sad time for Clearwater.
- We hit upon the idea of hiring off-duty
Clearwater police department officers
to guard the building
to protect against the Lisa McPherson Trust.
This had the effect
of turning many Clearwater police officers
into de facto employees of Scientology.
They were schmoozed in order to make them
more favorable toward us
and less favorable towards the Lisa McPherson Trust,
who were positioned always as troublemakers
who had been imported from out of town
to come and cause trouble in beautiful downtown Clearwater.
- Today, many in the Clearwater Police Department
work for Scientology on their days off,
and they're supposed to report of Mike Rinder,
the head of the Office of Special Affairs.
The Clearwater Police watch as the O.S.A. agents
videotape our every move.
Scientology Pis follow us everywhere.
- The police had just stood by while these protestors
have been assaulted by Scientologists.
The police had been absolutely unwilling to do anything
to protect the protestors.
- The day that injunction
was put into effect by the judge,
he was out on the street using it trying to get us arrested.
I've got tape of the police officer...
You saying to the officer, "Look, they're named here!
They're named!"
- That was another life. Leave him alone.
- Well, Mike... Mike is fully aware
that we're going to find that stuff
and we're going to air it. Sorry, Mike.
- Oh, Mike! - We're gonna find that stuff.
- So it appears as if they've called the Clearwater police
to complain of the, uh, prior peaceful picketing activity.
I'm concerned that Mike Rinder
wants to stop peaceful picketing
under the guise of legal process.
- Mike Rinder is the chief
of their dirty tricks department
and there is nothing he wouldn't do or say
to try to keep this, uh, criminal
at the helm of Scientology, David Miscavige, in power
because Mike Rinder's power comes from David Miscavige.
- Have you been served with one of these injunctions
as an agent of his? - No.
You were in court, Stacy, when that was issued.
You were test... You were sitting right there.
Because you're saying that you're... you're not on notice.
Or you're trying to say you're not on notice.
- This was just a tactic to try to stop protests.
- You're not allowed to protest?
- Well, that's the entire injunction.
- That injunction, issued in 1999,
even though the Lisa McPherson Trust
ceased to exist in 2001,
Scientology still drags this thing out
at every opportunity.
They put a red cover on it,
they make it look all official,
they hand it to the cops and they say,
"Here, we got an injunction against this guy.
He's just a troublemaker!"
In 1999, like 20 years ago?
It's absurd, but the theater of the absurd
is the theater of Scientology.
- Scientology realized, like,
"Oh, Mark can't be within ten feet of us."
So then they started staging Scientologists every ten feet
so that you couldn't even walk down the street.
- Yeah, I... I went to one event
across from the Ford Harrison Hotel.
- Yeah. - And there's a woman
talking with a police officer and they were talking toward me
and she, uh, saw me coming and she shouted,
"Ten feet!"
And I had to stop...
and the police told me that I could not walk down the street
as long as she was there.
I said, "Well, can I walk out around the cars in the street?"
"No, that'd be breaking the law."
- Wow! - That's crazy, that's insane.
- The next event where David Miscavige was speaking
downtown at a, uh, opening ceremony
for one of their new buildings,
I arrived and they stationed Scientologists every ten feet
around two blocks around the event.
Precisely ten feet,
and she was waiting as I approached
with two police officers.
- They tried to get Mark kicked out of his condo
because his next door neighbor was a Scientologist.
- I got a knock on the door from my neighbor.
Very excited to meet me
and very chipper and happy and "Hi, come on in..."
"come on over to my place!
"You need some furniture? You want a chair?
"How 'bout a table," you know?
And we sat and talked for about 15, 20 minutes
and she was very up and very positive
and then, uh, I noticed she had a big bookcase
full of L. Ron Hubbard Scientology stuff.
She would, again, was trying to force furniture on me
and I said, "Well, that's... That's very kind of you"
"but I think you should know that I am an SP
"and I've been making a documentary
"about the Church of Scientology and
"I just wanted to be upfront about that
and I hope we can still be friends."
Uh, how'd that go?
- Her face just went to a glower.
"In that case, I'm going to have to ask you to leave."
I said, "Well, I... I... I think still think we can talk..."
"Leave now."
And then the next day, the condo association
were getting threatening letters
from Scientology attorneys
saying I had to be evicted
because I was ten feet away from this Scientologist
and breaking the injunction.
And the condo association thankfully said,
"No, we ran a check on this guy. He's fine."
- Wow. - And they didn't like
Scientology trying to pressure them,
so they... they... - They stood up for you.
- You know, they stood with me.
So it... it's... it's just nuts.
- Nuts.
- Talking about the... The injunctions
and all of the hoo-ha around the Lisa McPherson Trust,
the real issue is what got done, ultimately,
to destroy it.
Which was not the injunctions
and not the people in their faces
and that sort of stuff,
but the investigation and the harassment
that was conducted against Bob Minton.
And I am extremely familiar with this because I ran it.
- If ever there was a critic of Scientology,
it was Bob Minton
and, I promise you, no expense was spared
when it came to hiring private investigators,
hiring people around the world
to investigate Bob and his finances in particular.
It was his money that we were interested in.
We knew that Minton had made a considerable amount of money
selling Nigerian bonds.
So Dave Lubow went to London and managed to persuade
the Nigerian government
that Bob Minton and the people he had worked with
had scammed them out of tens of millions of dollars.
And the Nigerian government
officially requested a prosecutor
in Switzerland to open an investigation
and to freeze Bob Minton's funds
in his Swiss bank accounts.
And he had no money.
He didn't have any money to pay his bills,
and that was the real pressure that was put on him.
- Now why are you getting emotional?
'Cause you're making me emotional.
Bob was my hero.
Uh, he was a flawed man but he was a good man.
- Yeah. - And he really cared
and was really trying to make a difference.
- Yeah.
- And he helped a lot of people.
It was not a... a pretty ending.
Um, I saw the pressure on him.
Every day I would...
I would walk into his house and wonder, is this the day
that Bob's gonna shoot himself?
And it was horrific,
and Stacy went through that too.
They were trying to get Bob out of this
and one of the things they did,
uh, was try and sit down with Scientology
and work out some sort of ceasefire.
I believe they, uh... uh, were you at those meetings?
- Absolutely. - Yeah.
And... and from my understanding...
Thank you.
From my understanding, Bob and Stacy
wanted to go in there and just say,
"Okay, we'll... we'll stop all the lawsuits.
We just wanna get out of this because it's too hard."
And at the first meeting, my understanding is
you said, "Not only are... are you not getting out of this"
but here's a $10 million lawsuit."
And, I was told, a detailed $30 million RICO case
that you were preparing against Bob
and they came home from that just shell-shocked.
- Bob called me and asked me if I would be willing
to meet with he and Stacy alone.
I said yes.
Miscavige insisted that Monique Yingling
go with me and we met at the Johnson Pope law offices.
He eventually just went, "I want out.
If you can get my money freed up, I'm out of here."
And that was sort of the sad end of Bob
as a crusader against Scientology.
He was effectively terminator as an attacker,
which is the objective of the Office of Special Affairs.
- He was neutralized. - Neutralized.
It is something that haunted me
for a long, long time.
- Stacy and Bob called me when he was in Zurich
going to get his money
and he was suicidal
and he was threatening to jump out the window
of his hotel room
and Stacy called me to help,
to get me to talk to Bob and I ended up talking to him
for, like, two hours on the phone
and... and talking him out of committing suicide.
And I was still in the Office of Special Affairs
at that time. - Right.
- And I ultimately had a lot of conversations with him
and Stacy and I was going to go visit them in Ireland
when he moved to Ireland,
but he was still so scared, he said, "Please don't come."
"I'm afraid that if you come,
the Pis are all gonna come again,"
and he couldn't take it.
And then he died.
- And I never got to see him,
to have the... the real personal one-on-one conversation.
What I directed to be done against Bob Minton
and what I did to Bob Minton has haunted me for a long time,
and I am sorry for what I did to destroy him
or to seek to destroy him.
This story of Lisa McPherson really touched him
and it's what motivated him.
He was not motivated by money.
He wasn't even motivated by a hatred of Scientology,
and you know the way that I know that?
He was willing to have me as a friend
even when I was still in Scientology.
- But you got to finally say you were sorry to him?
- Oh, absolutely, and to Stacy.
I mean, to this day, Stacy is... I consider a good friend.
- Yeah. - And the only reason
that she is not on this show... - Yeah.
- Because she desperately wants to be...
Is because of the settlement agreement that I did with her
that prevents her from talking.
- Non-disclosure.
One thing I didn't realize was that he had no connection
at all to Scientology
or Clearwater or no relatives.
He just came down to make our city better.
- That's what's so insane, is that they talk about
freedom of speech and freedom of religion,
but they attack and destroy those who are...
- Exercising? - Speaking.
- Yeah, exercising freedom of speech.
- Exercising that right.
- Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
- I hope that the...
the memory of Bob is as it should be.
That people understand that he was doing something
that was selfless
and I, you know, I genuinely have great, great sorrow
about what happened.
The only... the only mitigating factor is the fact
that I was able to... to speak with him and Stacy
afterwards and kind of make peace with them,
but that's not made peace with the world,
so I hope that to some extent this will accomplish that.
- Yeah.
- Sorry. - It's okay.
- This is going to mean the world to her.
Thank you.
- Mark Bunker, when he walks down the street,
suddenly, the Clearwater Police Department appear in force
because Scientology calls them and says,
"We have an injunction! We've got a trespasser,"
and they are there in a flash
even though that injunction is 20 years old.
- So tell me the history of this park.
It was built for the purpose of what?
- This used to be... - I mean, it's lovely.
- I'm not... I'm not... I'm not begrudging them.
- This for the longest time was a drive-through Checkers...
- Mm-hmm. - Drive-through.
- Oh, that's right.
And Miscavige... His office used to be
up in that corner. - Mm-hmm.
- And he hated this being here.
It attracted people to... - His area.
- His environment. - I...
- And this was his little zone over here.
So... like they bought this park. They bought that one.
That parking lot, this parking lot.
Then when this became available,
they bought this
and they didn't have anything to do here with it,
so they just made it a park.
- Mm-hmm.
- It gets used one time a year now
for Winter Wonderland.
There's nowhere that you can go
to even take a photo of someone.
- Mm-hmm. - Right.
- These cops don't know what to do.
They brought them the injunction.
- Of course.
- And does the injunction say that he can't be at a park?
- Nope, nope.
- Here's another one.
Here you go, Scientology using the resources...
- They've called the Sergeant in.
- Uh-huh.
- Somebody in the car. - Yeah.
That's probably the O.S.A. people.
- Sorry, they just took pictures of us.
- Oh, here's another one. Now there's four now.
- Yup, there you go.
This is a big crime.
- I don't really get this shit, Mike.
Am I overreacting to this?
- Not at all.
This is why we're doing a show about Clearwater.
When it comes to Scientology, this is insanity HQ.
- Well, I'm sitting my ass here until these cops leave.
So it's gonna be a long night.
- Thank you!
Thank you!
- What are you... what... What's up?
- We're sitting here.
- We're sitting here at a park.
- Okay.
- We're sitting here talking
and Scientology, of course,
doesn't want us sitting here talking.
So.
What are... what shall you report back?
Hi, O.S.A.!
- You... you know that injunction isn't applicable to him here.
- I'll... I'll explain it to you.
- They're the complainant, you guys are the subjects,
we're just here to get this whole thing sorted out.
- That injunction was gotten actually by me
when I was in the Church against him and 13 other people
that used to work for the Lisa McPherson Trust,
and it requires that he and those other people
not protest in front of the Fort Harrison
or the flag building and a few other places.
That's what that injunction says.
This isn't any of those locations
and he's not, as far as we know...
- Hi! - Hi.
- Oh, my gosh. Yeah. - We appreciate it.
- Thank you. - Hold on. Juno, come on!
- As we're standing there
with the Clearwater Police Department,
we have people who are filming us from Scientology,
but also we have people who are screaming,
"We love you, Leah and Mike!
"Keep going!" You know,
"Can we take pictures with you?"
Like... and it's just a... such a weird dicho...
It's just so weird.
It's like, what world are we living in?
- So this is my normal life here.
- Mark, you poor baby.
- I didn't do anything.
- Okay, here comes the boss.
- Hi folks, I'm Corporal Wassmer.
How are you? - Good, how are you?
- Hey, man.
- No one has.
- This is their private property right here?
- Yeah, the park and... - So we can use the benches?
- We're gonna stand there. Is that okay?
- Let's see if they... if they have a problem with us
standing here.
- I am.
- Uh-huh?
- I don't think this is part of the injunction though.
- They didn't even own this building
when this injunction was done.
- That why we all just...
There's nothing wrong with us being here.
- Well, and that's why we wanted to document it too.
- Okay.
- Bring 'em on, bring 'em on. - Please do.
We will stand on this public street.
- We will wait here for...
For her happily. - We would really love it.
- It's ostensibly a public park,
and they even have a big sign which lays out
that everybody is welcome to come in here.
It has a little line at the end that says
and we reserve the right to remove anybody
should they be harassing people
or something like that.
The truth of the matter is that this is Scientology property
and if they don't like you,
they will call the police to get you thrown out.
- This injunction is almost 20 years old.
They will never give up.
A whole ruckus is being caused
because Mark Bunker is sitting in an empty park.
Still going on today...
Using the Clearwater Police Department
for these criminals sitting in a park.
This is what the IRS should be looking at.
These fake buildings that have nobody in them.
- Right. - What is this?
- This was the L.M.T. - This is it.
- Oh, this was it! - This is where the L.M.T. was.
- My office was in the back half of that space there.
- It's been heartbreaking
to walk through this adorable community
and see nothing but empty Scientology buildings.
What a waste of a cute town.
- If you look at the big view of Clearwater,
it is the perfect microcosm of whether Scientology,
in fact, provides a public benefit or not.
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