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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,600 โ™ช Too Big to Fail โ™ช Original Air Date on May 23, 2011 == sync, corrected by elderman == 2 00:00:04,638 --> 00:00:08,340 We have no intention of dismantling the regulatory agencies. 3 00:00:08,374 --> 00:00:10,342 However, we must come to grips 4 00:00:10,376 --> 00:00:12,577 with inefficient and burdensome regulations. 5 00:00:12,612 --> 00:00:14,446 We will eliminate those 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,082 that are unproductive and unnecessary. 7 00:00:17,116 --> 00:00:19,116 Tearing down these antiquated walls 8 00:00:19,150 --> 00:00:21,184 and granting banks significant new authority. 9 00:00:21,218 --> 00:00:23,553 In a victory for the banking industry, 10 00:00:23,587 --> 00:00:26,389 Congress has approved legislation which will allow 11 00:00:26,423 --> 00:00:28,391 commercial and investment banks to merge 12 00:00:28,425 --> 00:00:30,359 and form institutions 13 00:00:30,394 --> 00:00:32,361 of unprecedented size and global reach. 14 00:00:35,230 --> 00:00:37,231 I think it's very important 15 00:00:37,265 --> 00:00:40,200 for us not to introduce 16 00:00:40,234 --> 00:00:42,001 regulation for regulation's sake. 17 00:00:42,035 --> 00:00:44,870 I do believe in the American dream. 18 00:00:44,904 --> 00:00:47,705 Owning a home is a part of that dream. 19 00:00:49,941 --> 00:00:51,708 We are taking action 20 00:00:51,743 --> 00:00:54,210 to bring many thousands of Americans 21 00:00:54,245 --> 00:00:56,279 closer to owning a home. 22 00:00:56,313 --> 00:00:58,481 This project not only is good 23 00:00:58,515 --> 00:01:00,048 for the soul of the country. 24 00:01:00,083 --> 00:01:01,983 It's good for the pocketbook of the country as well. 25 00:01:02,017 --> 00:01:04,952 The housing market has reached frantic proportions. 26 00:01:04,986 --> 00:01:08,155 It seems that everybody is building, buying or selling. 27 00:01:08,189 --> 00:01:11,257 The Dow and the S&P both breaking records, 28 00:01:11,292 --> 00:01:15,394 profits soared 93% at Goldman Sachs this year. 29 00:01:15,428 --> 00:01:18,431 Hotshot traders and bankers can expect to take home 30 00:01:18,465 --> 00:01:22,868 $10, $25, and in some cases $50 million. 31 00:01:22,902 --> 00:01:25,737 Things that are too good to be true, are. 32 00:01:25,771 --> 00:01:28,539 - When you see something coming-- - The real estate bubble. 33 00:01:28,573 --> 00:01:30,040 - Housing bubble-- - Bubble. 34 00:01:30,074 --> 00:01:33,343 --Don't put it off. take action immediately. 35 00:01:33,377 --> 00:01:36,412 Will there be a soft landing or will the bubble burst? 36 00:01:39,982 --> 00:01:42,783 The new story-- the mortgage meltdown. 37 00:01:42,818 --> 00:01:45,519 This morning in the mortgage meltdown, new numbers showing 38 00:01:45,553 --> 00:01:48,788 that a record number of Americans are losing their homes. 39 00:01:48,822 --> 00:01:50,789 More than 70 mortgage companies have failed 40 00:01:50,824 --> 00:01:52,590 in the last few months in America. 41 00:01:52,625 --> 00:01:55,592 and now the biggest of the big companies-- the Bear Stearns-- 42 00:01:55,627 --> 00:01:57,894 the big banks are caught holding the bag. 43 00:02:01,131 --> 00:02:03,965 The fifth largest investment bank in the country, 44 00:02:03,999 --> 00:02:05,666 Bear Stearns, is being sold 45 00:02:05,701 --> 00:02:08,905 for just $2 a share to J.P. Morgan. 46 00:02:08,939 --> 00:02:10,906 It's being assisted by the government 47 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:13,610 which is stepping in to guarantee some $30 billion 48 00:02:13,644 --> 00:02:16,413 in Bear's toxic real estate assets. 49 00:02:18,916 --> 00:02:21,284 You've got to imagine that Hank Paulson 50 00:02:21,318 --> 00:02:23,619 didn't think he signed up for this 51 00:02:23,654 --> 00:02:25,554 when President Bush picked him 52 00:02:25,588 --> 00:02:27,721 to become Treasury Secretary. 53 00:02:27,756 --> 00:02:29,989 Hank Paulson may now have to undo 54 00:02:30,023 --> 00:02:31,990 some of the deregulation measures 55 00:02:32,024 --> 00:02:34,091 that he and his peers on Wall Street pushed through 56 00:02:34,126 --> 00:02:37,261 when he ran Goldman. 57 00:02:37,295 --> 00:02:39,296 Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson 58 00:02:39,330 --> 00:02:41,298 telling Matt Lauer this morning 59 00:02:41,332 --> 00:02:44,366 "We're all over it. I've got great confidence in our markets. 60 00:02:44,401 --> 00:02:46,234 They're resilient. They're flexible." 61 00:02:46,269 --> 00:02:48,370 Ali, the truth is that Bear Stearns is 62 00:02:48,404 --> 00:02:51,039 only a very small fraction of this story. 63 00:02:51,073 --> 00:02:53,040 our economy could face 64 00:02:53,074 --> 00:02:55,476 far worse than a recession. 65 00:02:57,779 --> 00:03:00,047 In the wake of Bear's collapse, 66 00:03:00,081 --> 00:03:02,649 Lehman Brothers is scrambling to reassure investors 67 00:03:02,684 --> 00:03:04,952 about the impact of the mortgage crisis 68 00:03:04,986 --> 00:03:06,753 on its own assets, shares of the firm 69 00:03:06,787 --> 00:03:08,588 under a great deal of pressure this morning. 70 00:03:08,623 --> 00:03:11,757 Dick Fuld, a 39-year veteran of Lehman 71 00:03:11,792 --> 00:03:14,960 and the longest-running CEO of a major investment bank on Wall Street, 72 00:03:14,995 --> 00:03:18,930 has pulled the firm back from the brink during other crises. 73 00:03:18,964 --> 00:03:21,599 But today, for the first time that I'm hearing it, 74 00:03:21,633 --> 00:03:24,335 investors are questioning his leadership. 75 00:03:24,369 --> 00:03:27,437 - Motherfucker. - One key question investors have for Lehman Brothers: 76 00:03:27,472 --> 00:03:31,173 What's the true earnings power of this investment bank's business? 77 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:39,881 Hey. 78 00:03:39,916 --> 00:03:43,318 Get up here. We gotta start stacking sandbags. 79 00:03:43,352 --> 00:03:44,652 What are you talking about? 80 00:03:44,687 --> 00:03:47,221 We're down 21%. On paper, 81 00:03:47,255 --> 00:03:51,024 I just lost $90 million personally. 82 00:03:51,058 --> 00:03:53,326 With investors pummeling Lehman shares, 83 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,394 the big question this morning is-- 84 00:03:55,429 --> 00:03:57,396 what options does Fuld have? 85 00:03:57,430 --> 00:03:59,864 So far he has failed to raise new capital 86 00:03:59,899 --> 00:04:02,433 while virtually all of his rivals have already done so. 87 00:04:02,468 --> 00:04:04,835 And now hedge fund manager David Einhorn 88 00:04:04,869 --> 00:04:07,370 is publicly questioning the accuracy of the firm's numbers. 89 00:04:07,405 --> 00:04:08,538 Anything good? 90 00:04:08,572 --> 00:04:12,741 It's a red-tailed hawk, the first one this year. 91 00:04:12,775 --> 00:04:14,308 Dick Fuld's on one. 92 00:04:14,342 --> 00:04:16,543 They haven't been able to provide credible answers. 93 00:04:16,577 --> 00:04:18,578 So let's go through a couple of those 94 00:04:18,613 --> 00:04:20,747 what you call discrepancies, because-- 95 00:04:24,284 --> 00:04:25,717 Tough morning? 96 00:04:25,751 --> 00:04:28,719 We show top-quality earnings. We beat every prediction. 97 00:04:28,753 --> 00:04:30,987 - Yeah. - It's the damn short-sellers. 98 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:33,056 You know the game-- short and distort. 99 00:04:33,090 --> 00:04:35,925 They're rumormongers. And they're making a killing. 100 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:38,026 What are your plans for a capital raise? 101 00:04:38,061 --> 00:04:41,663 We're way ahead of you. Now let me be clear: 102 00:04:41,697 --> 00:04:43,998 we don't need the cash. 103 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:48,035 You know, it's about perception. 104 00:04:48,069 --> 00:04:49,736 Buffett, Buffett. 105 00:04:49,771 --> 00:04:53,673 We're thinking of reaching out to Warren Buffett. 106 00:04:53,707 --> 00:04:54,673 Great. 107 00:04:54,707 --> 00:04:58,476 You and Buffett go back, right? 108 00:04:58,510 --> 00:05:01,012 Do me a favor and call him. 109 00:05:01,046 --> 00:05:03,181 Tell him Lehman is rock solid. 110 00:05:03,215 --> 00:05:07,217 As Treasury Secretary, I can't advocate for a specific investment. 111 00:05:10,053 --> 00:05:15,223 Hank, you want me to raise capital or not? 112 00:05:15,257 --> 00:05:18,125 Lehman Brothers is a hell of a lot bigger than Bear Stearns. 113 00:05:18,159 --> 00:05:20,260 The market is terrified. 114 00:05:20,295 --> 00:05:22,996 When I was running Goldman, I never even conceived 115 00:05:23,031 --> 00:05:25,732 of asking the Treasury Secretary to cut a deal for me. 116 00:05:25,766 --> 00:05:27,199 Yeah, but the Bear bailout created-- 117 00:05:27,233 --> 00:05:28,567 Please don't call it a bailout. 118 00:05:28,601 --> 00:05:32,604 Okay, the very large Bear Stearns purchase assistance package 119 00:05:32,638 --> 00:05:34,605 created an expectation. 120 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,474 Fuld's counting on direct intervention from you. 121 00:05:36,508 --> 00:05:38,843 Uh, Buffett's a simple solution. 122 00:05:38,877 --> 00:05:41,946 I think you make the call. 123 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:44,281 As what? Warren's friend? 124 00:05:44,315 --> 00:05:46,516 His former banker? The ? 125 00:05:46,551 --> 00:05:49,318 No. Fuld's calling him. 126 00:05:49,352 --> 00:05:51,186 Hopefully he'll jump in and we can all relax. 127 00:05:51,220 --> 00:05:53,188 Relax? We just buried one investment bank; 128 00:05:53,222 --> 00:05:55,223 We got another one that's barely breathing. 129 00:05:55,258 --> 00:05:57,925 This is a confidence game. People lose faith in Lehman-- 130 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,927 these banks are gonna drop like dominos 131 00:05:59,961 --> 00:06:03,030 and I don't have the authority to do a thing about it. 132 00:06:03,064 --> 00:06:04,998 We're late. 133 00:06:05,033 --> 00:06:06,933 We've been late on everything. 134 00:06:06,967 --> 00:06:09,902 Neel's team is working on some kind of a disaster scenario. 135 00:06:09,936 --> 00:06:11,804 We're calling it the break-the-glass plan-- 136 00:06:11,838 --> 00:06:14,472 what to ask Congress for if your back's against the wall. 137 00:06:14,507 --> 00:06:15,873 Money... 138 00:06:16,908 --> 00:06:19,710 Is what you ask them for. 139 00:06:19,744 --> 00:06:23,146 The problem is, Congress won't move 140 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:24,948 until we've already hit the iceberg, 141 00:06:24,982 --> 00:06:26,516 and at that point it may be too late. 142 00:06:26,550 --> 00:06:28,518 So you're saying, with the full weight 143 00:06:28,552 --> 00:06:31,120 of the United States Treasury behind me, 144 00:06:31,155 --> 00:06:34,890 all I can do is call Warren Buffett? 145 00:06:34,924 --> 00:06:38,859 Hi, Warren. It's Hank. 146 00:06:38,894 --> 00:06:41,628 I understand you've been talking to Dick Fuld. 147 00:06:41,663 --> 00:06:44,331 You know my misgivings, Hank, 148 00:06:44,365 --> 00:06:47,166 about investment banks. 149 00:06:47,201 --> 00:06:49,902 As soon as they started trading for themselves, 150 00:06:49,936 --> 00:06:51,970 the risk managers lost control. 151 00:06:52,004 --> 00:06:54,739 I had a very unpleasant time with Solomon Brothers. 152 00:06:54,773 --> 00:06:56,874 That's fair enough. 153 00:06:58,009 --> 00:06:59,609 But we both know 154 00:06:59,644 --> 00:07:02,245 that investment banking is a profitable business. 155 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,880 I figure it made you a billionaire somewhat. 156 00:07:05,915 --> 00:07:08,350 I gotta believe that if the price was right, 157 00:07:08,384 --> 00:07:10,085 you wouldn't just walk away. 158 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,821 You know a good deal when you see one. 159 00:07:12,856 --> 00:07:14,790 What say you? 160 00:07:14,824 --> 00:07:17,459 I gotta leave that to your judgment. 161 00:07:18,627 --> 00:07:20,661 People act like we're crack dealers. 162 00:07:20,696 --> 00:07:22,663 Nobody put a gun to anybody's head and said, 163 00:07:22,697 --> 00:07:24,564 "hey, Nimrod, buy a house you can't afford. 164 00:07:24,599 --> 00:07:26,299 And you know what? While you're at it, 165 00:07:26,334 --> 00:07:28,401 put a line of credit on that baby and buy yourself a boat." 166 00:07:28,435 --> 00:07:31,070 You heard anything from Buffett? 167 00:07:31,104 --> 00:07:33,738 He's asking for preferred shares at 40 168 00:07:33,773 --> 00:07:35,573 with a dividend of 9%. 169 00:07:35,608 --> 00:07:38,075 We were just at 66. What the fuck? 170 00:07:38,109 --> 00:07:40,110 Maybe it's just an opening gambit, Dick. 171 00:07:40,144 --> 00:07:41,778 Sounds more like a goddamn insult. 172 00:07:41,812 --> 00:07:43,312 - Let me get that, Dick. - Thank you. 173 00:07:43,347 --> 00:07:45,014 We're at 36 right now. 174 00:07:45,048 --> 00:07:48,450 We haven't been anywhere near 66 in months. 175 00:07:48,484 --> 00:07:50,452 The markets like Buffett. 176 00:07:50,486 --> 00:07:52,220 His name will push the price up overnight. 177 00:07:52,254 --> 00:07:54,221 You know, I don't care who he is, 178 00:07:54,256 --> 00:07:57,024 I am not spending $360 million a year 179 00:07:57,058 --> 00:07:58,826 for the pleasure of doing business with him. 180 00:07:58,860 --> 00:07:59,994 Real estate will come back. 181 00:08:00,028 --> 00:08:01,628 The Koreans have been sniffing around. 182 00:08:01,663 --> 00:08:03,496 There you go. And they won't steal us blind. 183 00:08:03,531 --> 00:08:06,365 I've seen this before-- C.E.O.s panic and they sell out cheap. 184 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,134 Right now the street's running around with its hair on fire, 185 00:08:09,168 --> 00:08:11,236 but the storm always passes. 186 00:08:11,270 --> 00:08:13,470 We stand strong, and on the other side 187 00:08:13,505 --> 00:08:15,739 we'll eat Goldman's lunch. 188 00:08:18,175 --> 00:08:19,876 So what do we do about Buffett? 189 00:08:19,910 --> 00:08:22,511 Screw Warren Buffett. 190 00:08:24,547 --> 00:08:26,781 He passed? 191 00:08:26,816 --> 00:08:28,717 Lehman dropped to 28 1/2 this morning. 192 00:08:28,751 --> 00:08:30,151 What in the world is he thinking? 193 00:08:30,186 --> 00:08:31,986 He's not thinking. He's delusional. 194 00:08:32,021 --> 00:08:33,854 He thought the ask was too high. 195 00:08:33,889 --> 00:08:36,690 He's got to raise cash. 196 00:08:36,724 --> 00:08:38,558 I told him that. 197 00:08:38,593 --> 00:08:41,261 I spoke to Greenspan. 198 00:08:41,295 --> 00:08:42,762 Really? 199 00:08:42,796 --> 00:08:45,297 He says there's too much housing supply. 200 00:08:45,332 --> 00:08:48,433 That's the problem. 201 00:08:48,468 --> 00:08:52,069 So we should buy up all the vacant houses 202 00:08:52,104 --> 00:08:54,805 and burn them. 203 00:09:00,143 --> 00:09:03,879 Dick needs a buyer-- someone with a grip on reality. 204 00:09:03,913 --> 00:09:06,147 Barclays expressed some interest a couple of months ago, 205 00:09:06,182 --> 00:09:08,049 But I don't think the price is low enough for them. 206 00:09:08,083 --> 00:09:09,984 Bank of America? 207 00:09:10,019 --> 00:09:13,154 Possible. Dick's put out feelers there before. 208 00:09:13,189 --> 00:09:15,724 We have to keep it quiet though. 209 00:09:15,758 --> 00:09:17,959 If anyone hears that they're trying to sell... 210 00:09:17,993 --> 00:09:21,095 Lehman will be dead within the hour. 211 00:09:21,129 --> 00:09:23,798 The real estate investments are killing the firm. 212 00:09:23,832 --> 00:09:26,400 We have to admit publically we've made some mistakes. 213 00:09:26,435 --> 00:09:28,636 We need to make a senior management change, 214 00:09:28,670 --> 00:09:30,738 Signal to the market that we get it. 215 00:09:30,772 --> 00:09:33,139 Meaning what? 216 00:09:33,174 --> 00:09:35,375 Meaning Joe Gregory. 217 00:09:35,409 --> 00:09:37,876 Get the fuck out of here. 218 00:09:39,312 --> 00:09:41,813 You are not gonna tell me how to run my company. 219 00:09:41,847 --> 00:09:44,615 Joe hasn't had your back on risk, and everyone knows it. 220 00:09:44,650 --> 00:09:46,284 Erin Callan's gotta go too. 221 00:09:46,318 --> 00:09:48,352 As far as the street's concerned, she's a joke. 222 00:09:48,386 --> 00:09:50,387 Joe Gregory has been with me 223 00:09:50,421 --> 00:09:53,456 for 30 years. 224 00:09:53,490 --> 00:09:55,458 And you want me to kick him to the curb 225 00:09:55,492 --> 00:09:57,026 because we have a bad quarter? 226 00:09:57,060 --> 00:09:58,661 It's not just a bad quarter. 227 00:09:58,695 --> 00:10:00,629 The stock hit 23. 228 00:10:00,663 --> 00:10:04,231 23. Most of our guys are paid in stock they can't sell for years. 229 00:10:04,265 --> 00:10:07,200 They've lost most of their net worth over the last six months. 230 00:10:07,235 --> 00:10:09,201 You don't stabilize the price, 231 00:10:09,236 --> 00:10:11,170 Your traders are gonna jump ship. 232 00:10:11,204 --> 00:10:13,004 Selfish fucks. 233 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:15,240 It's not just bankers and traders, Dick. 234 00:10:15,274 --> 00:10:16,908 Clients are pulling their money. 235 00:10:16,942 --> 00:10:19,110 There's gonna be a run on this bank. 236 00:10:23,315 --> 00:10:25,382 Sources tell CNBC that both 237 00:10:25,416 --> 00:10:28,919 Erin Callan and Joseph Gregory are out at Lehman Brothers. 238 00:10:28,954 --> 00:10:31,422 In a statement, the company's chairman Dick Fuld said 239 00:10:31,456 --> 00:10:34,224 Replacing Gregory with 48-year-old Bart McDade 240 00:10:34,258 --> 00:10:37,527 has been one of the most difficult decisions he's had to make. 241 00:10:39,295 --> 00:10:42,530 Dick, the Koreans just arrived at Sullivan. 242 00:10:42,564 --> 00:10:44,632 Let's make this happen. 243 00:10:44,666 --> 00:10:47,835 My take is you'd be better off staying here for now. 244 00:10:49,371 --> 00:10:51,305 We need you to be our missing man. 245 00:10:51,339 --> 00:10:54,240 We'll go in and push the deal as far as we can, 246 00:10:54,275 --> 00:10:58,010 And then we'll bring you in at the end to top it off. 247 00:10:58,045 --> 00:10:59,244 All right, fine. 248 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:02,013 Okay. 249 00:11:07,653 --> 00:11:10,387 We are committed to our presence in New York. 250 00:11:12,623 --> 00:11:15,858 But we need to know that the underlying numbers make sense. 251 00:11:18,695 --> 00:11:20,595 We realize how things look. 252 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:24,031 But our stock is getting hammered by the shorts. 253 00:11:24,065 --> 00:11:26,066 The value is still there. 254 00:11:27,635 --> 00:11:29,836 We just started. Min is excited, 255 00:11:29,871 --> 00:11:31,538 but we haven't heard the terms. 256 00:11:31,572 --> 00:11:34,140 Where are you? 257 00:11:34,175 --> 00:11:35,809 I just stepped out to take the call. 258 00:11:35,843 --> 00:11:38,345 Get back in there. Don't be rude. 259 00:11:38,379 --> 00:11:40,147 Okay. 260 00:11:41,616 --> 00:11:44,484 We simply take the assets you don't find appealing, 261 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:47,521 spin them off into a separate company. 262 00:11:49,391 --> 00:11:52,092 - You don't buy that bank. - I'm very sorry. 263 00:11:52,127 --> 00:11:55,529 You buy the good bank. 264 00:11:56,664 --> 00:11:58,530 They don't like the real estate. 265 00:11:58,564 --> 00:11:59,964 What do you mean, they don't like it? 266 00:11:59,998 --> 00:12:01,966 Dick, we're making real progress here, okay? 267 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,867 Let me stay on it for now. 268 00:12:19,650 --> 00:12:22,018 Min, how are you? 269 00:12:22,052 --> 00:12:24,453 Great to see you. 270 00:12:24,488 --> 00:12:27,022 I don't want to interrupt. 271 00:12:27,057 --> 00:12:28,957 Dick, great timing. 272 00:12:28,992 --> 00:12:32,027 We seem to be in sync on the broad strokes of the deal. 273 00:12:32,062 --> 00:12:34,530 Shall we get back to the letter of intent? 274 00:12:34,564 --> 00:12:36,798 Min, I have to tell you, 275 00:12:36,833 --> 00:12:39,501 I think you're making a big mistake here. 276 00:12:39,535 --> 00:12:42,170 There's great value in the real estate assets. 277 00:12:42,204 --> 00:12:45,338 How about we walk through the portfolio 278 00:12:45,372 --> 00:12:47,707 and I'll show you? 279 00:12:49,409 --> 00:12:51,711 We have looked at them. 280 00:12:51,745 --> 00:12:53,646 Well, then you-- 281 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:55,814 you must have looked at them in the wrong way. 282 00:12:55,849 --> 00:12:59,517 I just don't want to see you leave money on the table. 283 00:12:59,551 --> 00:13:01,786 Perhaps we should take a break. 284 00:13:08,161 --> 00:13:10,262 Min, I'm so sorry. 285 00:13:10,296 --> 00:13:12,263 We have negotiated in good faith. 286 00:13:12,298 --> 00:13:14,498 Now all of a sudden we are going backward? 287 00:13:14,532 --> 00:13:16,098 We can work with you on the price. 288 00:13:16,133 --> 00:13:18,033 It is not about the price. 289 00:13:18,067 --> 00:13:21,168 It is about the way you have conducted this. 290 00:13:26,772 --> 00:13:30,375 I'd like to thank you, all of you, 291 00:13:30,409 --> 00:13:33,277 but I don't think we have a structure that works. 292 00:13:39,549 --> 00:13:41,595 What, that's it? 293 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:43,685 You're just gonna pack up and go back to Korea? 294 00:13:57,164 --> 00:13:59,265 - Hello. - Neel, it's Dick Fuld. 295 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:02,302 Listen, you know, 296 00:14:02,336 --> 00:14:04,204 if Hank wants me to find a buyer, 297 00:14:04,238 --> 00:14:05,939 you guys need to step up and help. 298 00:14:05,973 --> 00:14:08,275 The Koreans just walked out, okay? 299 00:14:08,309 --> 00:14:10,277 Look, I'm just speaking for myself here, 300 00:14:10,311 --> 00:14:12,879 but I think you need to do what's right for the firm. 301 00:14:12,914 --> 00:14:14,514 Do what's right? 302 00:14:14,549 --> 00:14:16,249 What is that supposed to mean? 303 00:14:16,284 --> 00:14:18,218 If your stock price keeps sliding, 304 00:14:18,252 --> 00:14:21,254 you may get an offer at a price that doesn't look all that compelling, 305 00:14:21,289 --> 00:14:24,091 but you may have to take it just to keep the company intact. 306 00:14:24,125 --> 00:14:25,925 What kind of price are you talking about? 307 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,560 Could be-- 308 00:14:27,594 --> 00:14:30,062 I mean, it might be low single digits. 309 00:14:31,932 --> 00:14:34,366 Last February 310 00:14:34,401 --> 00:14:37,770 we were at 66 a share. 311 00:14:37,804 --> 00:14:42,275 Lehman Brothers is not bear stearns. 312 00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:44,110 We've got a great business. 313 00:14:44,145 --> 00:14:46,012 Real estate's gonna come back. 314 00:14:46,046 --> 00:14:49,248 I am not fucking giving this company away! 315 00:14:49,282 --> 00:14:50,798 While the real estate market 316 00:14:50,823 --> 00:14:52,323 has put Lehman Brothers shares under pressure, 317 00:14:52,353 --> 00:14:54,654 mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stocks 318 00:14:54,688 --> 00:14:57,223 are suddenly plummeting this morning after reports 319 00:14:57,257 --> 00:14:59,960 the companies may need to raise $75 billion 320 00:14:59,994 --> 00:15:03,163 just to remain solvent. Because they guarantee 321 00:15:03,197 --> 00:15:05,599 such an enormous percentage of the nation's mortgages, 322 00:15:05,634 --> 00:15:07,801 there is renewed speculation that the government 323 00:15:07,836 --> 00:15:09,470 may have to step in and take them over-- 324 00:15:09,504 --> 00:15:13,840 a possibility Barack Obama has now raised on the campaign trail. 325 00:15:13,874 --> 00:15:16,176 If Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed, 326 00:15:16,210 --> 00:15:19,912 then probably the financial system 327 00:15:19,947 --> 00:15:22,348 would receive such a body blow 328 00:15:22,382 --> 00:15:24,951 that it could be disastrous. 329 00:15:24,985 --> 00:15:27,386 Freddie just dropped another 8%. 330 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:29,855 Fannie's down 5%. 331 00:15:29,889 --> 00:15:32,724 There's-- there's no bottom here. 332 00:15:32,758 --> 00:15:35,960 We need to do something now. 333 00:15:35,994 --> 00:15:37,928 We're working on a proposal for Congress, 334 00:15:37,962 --> 00:15:40,464 see if we can get the authority to put some money in. 335 00:15:40,498 --> 00:15:42,499 I'd rather not go that way, 336 00:15:42,533 --> 00:15:44,800 but if we get there... 337 00:15:44,834 --> 00:15:47,702 Uh, I think-- I think we're already there. 338 00:15:49,504 --> 00:15:51,238 How much are you gonna ask for? 339 00:15:51,272 --> 00:15:52,873 A blank check. 340 00:15:52,907 --> 00:15:56,276 It has to be enough of a statement to reassure the market. 341 00:15:56,310 --> 00:16:00,180 They need to think I've got a bazooka in my pocket. 342 00:16:00,214 --> 00:16:02,182 I'm not saying that we use it, 343 00:16:02,216 --> 00:16:04,183 but if we have the authority, 344 00:16:04,218 --> 00:16:06,185 everyone who's dumping their shares 345 00:16:06,219 --> 00:16:08,253 will calm down, back off. 346 00:16:08,288 --> 00:16:10,255 Okay, well, if you're going to Congress, 347 00:16:10,289 --> 00:16:12,023 why don't we give to the banks too? 348 00:16:12,057 --> 00:16:14,291 'Cause Lehman is looking like shit and Merrill's not far behind. 349 00:16:14,325 --> 00:16:17,127 We'll be lucky to get them to move on Fannie and Freddie. 350 00:16:17,161 --> 00:16:19,529 We do what we can do. 351 00:16:30,471 --> 00:16:32,938 Secretary, Mrs. Paulson, over here. 352 00:16:32,972 --> 00:16:36,007 Over here, please. 353 00:16:36,041 --> 00:16:38,576 Mr. and Mrs. Paulson. 354 00:16:38,611 --> 00:16:42,614 - Secretary Paulson. - Mrs. Paulson. Thank you. 355 00:16:42,649 --> 00:16:44,316 Mrs. Paulson. 356 00:16:44,351 --> 00:16:46,185 Mr. Paulson. 357 00:16:46,219 --> 00:16:48,720 Mr. and Mrs. Paulson, this way, please. 358 00:16:52,289 --> 00:16:54,323 Mr. Secretary, please. 359 00:16:54,357 --> 00:16:56,192 I got her. 360 00:16:57,761 --> 00:17:00,129 Right over here, Secretary Paulson, please. 361 00:17:00,163 --> 00:17:02,030 Big smile. Thank you. 362 00:17:02,065 --> 00:17:04,599 That's just what I need-- press photos 363 00:17:04,633 --> 00:17:07,233 of the Treasury Secretary waving the Chinese flag. 364 00:17:07,267 --> 00:17:09,767 Paulson the Communist. 365 00:17:09,802 --> 00:17:12,737 The look on your face was priceless. 366 00:17:12,771 --> 00:17:17,276 Hank, I must ask you about Fannie and Freddie. 367 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:21,948 We have hundreds of billions invested. 368 00:17:21,982 --> 00:17:25,018 You've assured us the investment is safe. 369 00:17:25,052 --> 00:17:27,886 And it is, absolutely. 370 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,890 We're watching a great deal of our money disappear. 371 00:17:31,924 --> 00:17:34,326 Share prices have dropped 60% 372 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,428 in the last two months. 373 00:17:36,462 --> 00:17:39,163 Carrying your bazooka around has not helped matters. 374 00:17:39,198 --> 00:17:41,665 Congress gave you the power. 375 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:43,467 Perhaps it is time to use it. 376 00:17:43,501 --> 00:17:45,402 The market will stabilize. 377 00:17:45,436 --> 00:17:47,303 We just have to give it some time. 378 00:17:47,338 --> 00:17:51,174 There was an approach last month from Russia. 379 00:17:51,208 --> 00:17:53,442 They have considerable holdings 380 00:17:53,477 --> 00:17:55,144 in Fannie and Freddie as well. 381 00:17:55,178 --> 00:17:57,979 They suggested we coordinate 382 00:17:58,014 --> 00:18:00,048 and without warning dump hundreds of billions 383 00:18:00,082 --> 00:18:02,416 of Fannie and Freddie's bonds onto the market. 384 00:18:04,786 --> 00:18:06,453 That would be... 385 00:18:06,488 --> 00:18:08,488 Yes. 386 00:18:08,523 --> 00:18:11,558 The amount of debt your country carries 387 00:18:11,592 --> 00:18:14,427 is a terrible vulnerability. 388 00:18:18,397 --> 00:18:19,597 But you-- 389 00:18:19,632 --> 00:18:22,900 we declined respectfully. 390 00:18:25,303 --> 00:18:27,370 Even in the U.S. it seems 391 00:18:27,405 --> 00:18:31,040 the relationship between the government and private industry 392 00:18:31,075 --> 00:18:33,275 isn't so simple. 393 00:18:36,379 --> 00:18:38,046 Was it a threat? 394 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,549 No no, it was a friendly reminder 395 00:18:41,584 --> 00:18:43,551 that with a single phone call to Moscow 396 00:18:43,586 --> 00:18:45,987 they can take down the entire U.S. economy. 397 00:18:53,662 --> 00:18:56,297 Well, the book says 398 00:18:56,331 --> 00:18:58,366 Fannie and Freddie are a nightmare. 399 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,701 They are in the hole easily tens of billions of dollars. 400 00:19:00,735 --> 00:19:03,503 In another few weeks they're gonna start defaulting on their debts. 401 00:19:03,538 --> 00:19:05,004 We're gonna have to step in. 402 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:08,141 I don't see how we can avoid it. 403 00:19:09,811 --> 00:19:11,912 Turns out a bazooka's not that useful 404 00:19:11,946 --> 00:19:13,747 unless you fire it. 405 00:19:15,416 --> 00:19:17,516 Lehman's down another 10%. 406 00:19:17,551 --> 00:19:19,952 You are not gonna let me get down a single bite, are you? 407 00:19:19,986 --> 00:19:21,520 That's why I have oatmeal. 408 00:19:21,554 --> 00:19:24,222 Dick is trotting around the world with his head in his hands 409 00:19:24,257 --> 00:19:26,024 and no one will give him any money. 410 00:19:26,059 --> 00:19:28,327 Korea walked out on him. Mexico told him to shove it. 411 00:19:28,361 --> 00:19:30,529 No one's interested. All the dumb money's already in. 412 00:19:30,563 --> 00:19:32,397 What about B of A? Are they still in the mix? 413 00:19:32,432 --> 00:19:34,800 And Barclays is sniffing around again, 414 00:19:34,834 --> 00:19:36,668 now that they think it's a fire sale. 415 00:19:36,702 --> 00:19:38,036 That's promising. 416 00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:39,971 I don't know. The British-- 417 00:19:40,006 --> 00:19:43,675 they do a lot of talking. They never close. 418 00:19:43,709 --> 00:19:45,811 B of A is still our best bet. 419 00:19:45,845 --> 00:19:47,345 This can't be another Bear. 420 00:19:47,380 --> 00:19:48,504 Absolutely not. 421 00:19:48,529 --> 00:19:50,329 They want Lehman-- they buy it outright. 422 00:19:50,349 --> 00:19:52,083 But they may need a little hand-holding. 423 00:19:52,118 --> 00:19:54,619 They just bought Countrywide. They're spread a little thin. 424 00:19:54,654 --> 00:19:56,521 You may have to give them a break 425 00:19:56,555 --> 00:19:58,256 with the capital requirements. 426 00:19:58,290 --> 00:20:01,426 You want me to allow them to raise their leverage 427 00:20:01,460 --> 00:20:03,962 so they can buy a bank that's about to fail 428 00:20:03,996 --> 00:20:06,164 because it was overleveraged? 429 00:20:06,198 --> 00:20:09,167 You got a better idea? 430 00:20:09,201 --> 00:20:12,303 Breaking news just coming in: Sources telling CNBC 431 00:20:12,338 --> 00:20:14,539 that the government has just taken control 432 00:20:14,574 --> 00:20:16,809 of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. 433 00:20:16,843 --> 00:20:18,811 Back in July, you remember, Hank Paulson said 434 00:20:18,846 --> 00:20:20,814 that he wanted the power to step in, 435 00:20:20,848 --> 00:20:22,649 but he probably wouldn't use it. 436 00:20:22,684 --> 00:20:24,452 It certainly sounds like Paulson 437 00:20:24,486 --> 00:20:26,120 just pulled the trigger on that bazooka. 438 00:20:26,155 --> 00:20:28,357 Despite the move nationalize Fannie and Freddie, 439 00:20:28,391 --> 00:20:31,560 the market is still in negative territory across the board. 440 00:20:31,594 --> 00:20:34,863 Investors now focusing their attention on Lehman Brothers 441 00:20:34,898 --> 00:20:37,966 amid fresh reports that the nation's fourth largest investment bank 442 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,268 may be on the brink of bankruptcy. 443 00:20:40,302 --> 00:20:42,570 - Rodge. - Chris. 444 00:20:42,604 --> 00:20:45,170 Bring your money today, huh? 445 00:20:47,904 --> 00:20:51,272 Make sure Fuld's not keeping any bad news out of the mix. 446 00:20:51,306 --> 00:20:54,373 It's open kimono, to quote Dick. 447 00:20:54,408 --> 00:20:57,042 There's a revolting image. 448 00:20:59,645 --> 00:21:02,480 Did you get a look at the numbers? 449 00:21:02,514 --> 00:21:04,115 The real estate's the issue. 450 00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:06,117 They got it marked at $30 billion. 451 00:21:06,152 --> 00:21:08,153 It's worth maybe half of that. 452 00:21:08,187 --> 00:21:10,088 Don't look so nervous. 453 00:21:10,122 --> 00:21:13,258 You're about to get a Wall Street bank for the price of a hot dog. 454 00:21:13,292 --> 00:21:16,761 I know that Paulson told Ken Lewis that he's not gonna pay for this. 455 00:21:16,795 --> 00:21:18,462 And I don't see how we can do it 456 00:21:18,497 --> 00:21:20,564 unless the government takes some of the downside. 457 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:22,332 Paulson is posturing. 458 00:21:22,367 --> 00:21:24,034 He'll write a check just like he did 459 00:21:24,069 --> 00:21:25,679 for Jamie Dimon on the Bear deal. 460 00:21:25,704 --> 00:21:27,186 He has to. He can't lose 461 00:21:27,187 --> 00:21:29,479 another major bank in an election year. 462 00:21:29,507 --> 00:21:31,475 Besides, the guy made, like, 463 00:21:31,509 --> 00:21:33,677 a half a billion bucks at Goldman Sachs. 464 00:21:33,711 --> 00:21:36,747 He lets Lehman die-- Goldman's biggest competitor-- 465 00:21:36,781 --> 00:21:39,016 makes him look like he's still working for Goldman; 466 00:21:39,050 --> 00:21:42,052 he's just doing it out of the desk at Treasury. 467 00:21:43,688 --> 00:21:47,023 Where are the donuts? 468 00:21:47,058 --> 00:21:49,493 Exactly. If you're the CEO of one of these financial firms, 469 00:21:49,527 --> 00:21:52,062 you've already seen what the government was willing to do. 470 00:21:52,097 --> 00:21:54,432 Why wouldn't you play chicken with them and say, 471 00:21:54,466 --> 00:21:57,936 "Sure I'll help you out. But you gotta throw in a sweetener, 472 00:21:57,970 --> 00:21:59,738 just like you did for those guys"? 473 00:22:01,407 --> 00:22:04,342 They just assume I'm gonna bail out Dick Fuld 474 00:22:04,377 --> 00:22:07,512 like I'm the guy behind the elephant with the shovel. 475 00:22:07,546 --> 00:22:09,480 They're all drawing a line from Bear 476 00:22:09,515 --> 00:22:11,382 and Fannie and Freddie right to Lehman. 477 00:22:11,416 --> 00:22:13,216 There's no way the taxpayers are gonna go for another bailout-- 478 00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:15,851 A very large purchase assistance package. 479 00:22:15,886 --> 00:22:19,021 We need to come up with a private-sector solution, 480 00:22:19,056 --> 00:22:21,356 get the investment banks to bridge the gap. 481 00:22:21,391 --> 00:22:23,191 Okay, but that's never gonna work, 482 00:22:23,225 --> 00:22:25,092 unless they believe that you've drawn a line. 483 00:22:25,127 --> 00:22:28,495 I know you don't like leaking, but let us reach out to the press. 484 00:22:34,567 --> 00:22:36,001 Okay. 485 00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:40,538 Mr. Flowers, 486 00:22:40,572 --> 00:22:42,940 there's a call for you-- Bob Willumstad from A.I.G. 487 00:22:42,975 --> 00:22:45,242 He's very insistent. 488 00:22:50,314 --> 00:22:52,448 Mr. Flowers. 489 00:22:52,483 --> 00:22:54,816 My people tell me you're the man to talk to. 490 00:22:54,851 --> 00:22:56,351 We've got a real problem here. 491 00:22:56,385 --> 00:22:57,919 Yeah? What kind of problem? 492 00:22:57,953 --> 00:23:01,189 It looks very much like we are about to run out of cash. 493 00:23:01,223 --> 00:23:02,623 A.I.G.? 494 00:23:02,658 --> 00:23:04,725 We've sent over a document. It's a spreadsheet. 495 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,628 It's confidential, of course, but it might give you some insight. 496 00:23:07,662 --> 00:23:10,297 I'm in the middle of Lehman. I'm working with B of A. 497 00:23:10,331 --> 00:23:13,199 Is there any way you could come over tomorrow? 498 00:23:13,234 --> 00:23:15,302 I'll take a look at the numbers 499 00:23:15,336 --> 00:23:17,470 and we'll talk. 500 00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:24,778 Mr. Flowers. 501 00:23:28,183 --> 00:23:29,883 Somebody put the TV on. 502 00:23:29,918 --> 00:23:32,353 CNBC's talking about Lehman. 503 00:23:37,025 --> 00:23:40,294 ...Person familiar with Paulson's-- 504 00:23:40,329 --> 00:23:42,463 Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's thinking, 505 00:23:42,498 --> 00:23:44,999 and he is saying there will be no government money 506 00:23:45,033 --> 00:23:47,301 in the resolution of this situation. 507 00:23:47,335 --> 00:23:49,970 They're saying two things make the Lehman deal different: 508 00:23:50,005 --> 00:23:52,172 The market's been aware and had time to prepare 509 00:23:52,207 --> 00:23:54,542 for over six months; And the second is... 510 00:23:54,576 --> 00:23:57,110 Is that just TV bullshit, 511 00:23:57,145 --> 00:24:00,279 or is that Paulson sending us a message? 512 00:24:01,215 --> 00:24:02,682 Chris? 513 00:24:09,857 --> 00:24:11,591 Yeah? Sorry. 514 00:24:14,794 --> 00:24:16,088 What exactly does 515 00:24:16,113 --> 00:24:18,434 "a person familiar with the Treasury Secretary" mean? 516 00:24:18,464 --> 00:24:20,565 That could mean a lot of things. 517 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:22,333 Did one of your staffers do this? 518 00:24:22,367 --> 00:24:24,468 Please tell me someone got fired 10 minutes ago. 519 00:24:24,502 --> 00:24:26,569 The leak came from me. 520 00:24:28,472 --> 00:24:30,273 Hank, a public statement like that 521 00:24:30,307 --> 00:24:32,275 can have a lot of unintended consequences. 522 00:24:32,309 --> 00:24:34,243 We had to send a message to the other banks. 523 00:24:34,277 --> 00:24:35,465 They need to step up. 524 00:24:35,490 --> 00:24:37,403 I don't have another rabbit I can pull out of my hat. 525 00:24:38,514 --> 00:24:41,216 Rodgin Cohen just called me. 526 00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:44,621 The B of A team is sitting there playing brick breaker on their phones. 527 00:24:44,656 --> 00:24:46,091 They don't want this deal. 528 00:24:46,126 --> 00:24:48,596 The deal is hanging by a thread 529 00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:50,466 because the closer they get to Lehman 530 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,768 the more it looks like a toxic waste dump. 531 00:24:52,803 --> 00:24:56,205 Which is why at the end of the day we may have to help them, 532 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,942 which would be a lot easier if we didn't publicly state that-- 533 00:24:59,977 --> 00:25:02,045 We can't, Tim. Legally we can't. 534 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:04,347 Legally we haven't figured out 535 00:25:04,381 --> 00:25:08,217 how yet. 536 00:25:08,251 --> 00:25:12,188 I am concerned 537 00:25:12,222 --> 00:25:14,856 we are limiting our options 538 00:25:14,890 --> 00:25:18,124 at a time when we have very few, 539 00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:20,192 if any, available. 540 00:25:22,762 --> 00:25:26,365 I want all the C.E.O.s in a room. 541 00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:28,334 We've got the weekend. 542 00:25:28,368 --> 00:25:30,736 We lock them in a room at the Fed 543 00:25:30,771 --> 00:25:34,440 and we don't let them out until they have a solution on Lehman. 544 00:25:34,475 --> 00:25:36,475 Your oatmeal's getting cold. 545 00:25:36,510 --> 00:25:39,544 They'll figure it out. They'll all throw in some money. 546 00:25:41,213 --> 00:25:43,181 Well, Tim is advocating strongly 547 00:25:43,215 --> 00:25:45,216 that we reconsider some kind of Fed support. 548 00:25:45,251 --> 00:25:47,452 Tim wants us to pick up the tab on everyone. 549 00:25:47,486 --> 00:25:49,987 I can't be Mr. bailout. 550 00:25:50,021 --> 00:25:53,523 The Lehman hole is twice what Bear's was. 551 00:25:53,558 --> 00:25:55,525 Investors are pulling their accounts. 552 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:58,094 You want to lend into a run? 553 00:25:58,128 --> 00:26:00,329 What about Barclays? Are they still interested? 554 00:26:00,363 --> 00:26:03,165 They can't afford the risk any more than B of A can. 555 00:26:03,199 --> 00:26:06,702 I don't doubt your ability to talk anybody into submission, 556 00:26:06,737 --> 00:26:08,871 but it is still a long shot. 557 00:26:08,906 --> 00:26:12,743 And there's a very real possibility that Lehman goes under. 558 00:26:12,777 --> 00:26:16,212 There's a deal to be made here. 559 00:26:16,247 --> 00:26:19,015 I'm gonna make the deal. 560 00:26:19,049 --> 00:26:21,117 With just a little more than an hour 561 00:26:21,152 --> 00:26:22,986 left until the market closes, 562 00:26:23,020 --> 00:26:25,389 shares of Lehman Brothers have taken another tumble. 563 00:26:25,423 --> 00:26:27,458 The stock is now trading at a new low-- 564 00:26:27,492 --> 00:26:29,393 under $4 a share. 565 00:26:29,428 --> 00:26:31,395 And judging from the selling, 566 00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:34,198 there doesn't appear to be a bottom in sight. 567 00:26:36,969 --> 00:26:38,937 So Blankfein has a speech 568 00:26:38,972 --> 00:26:41,006 he's trying to get out of, but the rest have confirmed. 569 00:26:41,041 --> 00:26:43,475 - Tell him it's not optional. - Yeah. 570 00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:45,977 Good afternoon, Chairman. Thank you so much for joining us. 571 00:26:46,011 --> 00:26:47,411 Whose plane is this? 572 00:26:47,446 --> 00:26:49,379 Uh, that's a rental. 573 00:26:49,414 --> 00:26:51,849 Hank put it on his card. 574 00:26:51,883 --> 00:26:54,751 Sir, you know Neel and Michele Davis, public affairs. 575 00:26:54,786 --> 00:26:56,019 Hi. Pleasure. 576 00:26:56,054 --> 00:26:57,721 This is Dan Jester-- our new numbers guy. 577 00:26:57,755 --> 00:26:58,707 Hi. 578 00:26:58,732 --> 00:27:00,256 I've talked him into coming out of retirement. 579 00:27:00,258 --> 00:27:02,726 - Excuse me? Retirement? - He was with us at Goldman. 580 00:27:02,761 --> 00:27:05,094 Got anybody at Treasury who wasn't at Goldman? 581 00:27:05,128 --> 00:27:06,928 Chairman, just to be clear, 582 00:27:06,962 --> 00:27:08,996 there's no question of conflict of interest. 583 00:27:09,031 --> 00:27:11,632 Hank sold all of his Goldman stock before he took office. 584 00:27:11,666 --> 00:27:13,366 I wasn't implying anything. 585 00:27:13,401 --> 00:27:15,135 Sorry. We're a little touchy 586 00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:17,837 about the whole government-Sachs thing. 587 00:27:17,871 --> 00:27:19,638 Shall we? 588 00:27:22,775 --> 00:27:25,309 B of A keeps finding more toxic assets. 589 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:27,344 They want you to reconsider a Jamie deal. 590 00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:29,246 They'll split the first billion in losses, 591 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,180 but they want you on the hook for the next 40. 592 00:27:31,215 --> 00:27:33,415 You did it for Bear. 593 00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:35,717 Greg, let me get back to you. 594 00:27:35,751 --> 00:27:38,186 What do I have to-- tattoo it on my forehead? 595 00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:39,853 We are not bailing out Lehman. 596 00:27:39,888 --> 00:27:41,521 Wall Street has a gambling problem. 597 00:27:41,556 --> 00:27:43,557 If government keeps covering their losses, 598 00:27:43,591 --> 00:27:45,659 they never learn anything. 599 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,227 What? 600 00:27:48,262 --> 00:27:50,996 I didn't know if you wanted to keep lecturing me on moral hazard 601 00:27:51,031 --> 00:27:53,732 or if I should just call B of A back. 602 00:27:53,766 --> 00:27:55,835 We need to keep them at the table 603 00:27:55,869 --> 00:27:58,004 until they come up with a private-sector solution. 604 00:27:58,038 --> 00:28:00,506 Tell them to stay with us. 605 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:02,708 - Alistair, hello. - Hello, Henry. 606 00:28:02,743 --> 00:28:04,844 Hold on one second. 607 00:28:06,046 --> 00:28:08,014 Chancellor of the Exchequer. 608 00:28:08,048 --> 00:28:11,418 I understand Barclays is one of your potential buyers for Lehman. 609 00:28:11,452 --> 00:28:14,321 My banks are already under a great deal of stress. 610 00:28:14,355 --> 00:28:16,623 They don't want to become overextended. 611 00:28:16,657 --> 00:28:18,891 Lehman is problematic, but there's value there. 612 00:28:18,926 --> 00:28:21,194 We will find a way to make it attractive. 613 00:28:21,228 --> 00:28:23,395 Just stay with us. 614 00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:25,030 Talk soon. 615 00:28:25,064 --> 00:28:26,464 Bye. 616 00:28:26,499 --> 00:28:28,466 We'll keep Barclays in the mix, 617 00:28:28,501 --> 00:28:31,302 but B of A is still our best bet. 618 00:28:31,337 --> 00:28:34,740 We've got the C.E.O.s of every major bank coming here tonight. 619 00:28:34,774 --> 00:28:38,109 We have to make it clear that this their problem, 620 00:28:38,144 --> 00:28:41,512 that we are their advisors and their allies, 621 00:28:41,546 --> 00:28:45,582 but we are not their safety net. 622 00:28:46,884 --> 00:28:48,551 What should we expect from these guys? 623 00:28:59,230 --> 00:29:01,197 Jamie is smart. 624 00:29:01,232 --> 00:29:03,299 He doesn't have as much cash to work with 625 00:29:03,334 --> 00:29:06,001 since he bought Bear. 626 00:29:06,036 --> 00:29:08,803 Lloyd's a superstar. 627 00:29:08,838 --> 00:29:11,573 Goldman's the smartest shop on the block. 628 00:29:11,607 --> 00:29:13,575 And just because I used to be his boss, 629 00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:17,079 it doesn't mean he's gonna listen to me. 630 00:29:17,113 --> 00:29:19,982 John Mack used to run around the floor screaming, 631 00:29:20,016 --> 00:29:23,752 "there's blood in the water! Let's go kill someone!" 632 00:29:23,786 --> 00:29:26,321 He's a fighter. 633 00:29:28,122 --> 00:29:29,956 Thain was my number two at Goldman. 634 00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:31,957 He's selfish. He's a pragmatist. 635 00:29:31,991 --> 00:29:35,793 He knows-- if Lehman goes, Merrill's next. 636 00:29:37,096 --> 00:29:40,498 Vikram Pandit is the new guy at Citigroup. 637 00:29:40,533 --> 00:29:43,268 No one knows if he's running Citi 638 00:29:43,302 --> 00:29:45,503 or if Citi's running him. 639 00:30:08,388 --> 00:30:12,524 Thanks for coming down here on such short notice. 640 00:30:12,558 --> 00:30:14,593 Monday morning Lehman will no longer be able 641 00:30:14,627 --> 00:30:16,762 to honor its obligations. 642 00:30:18,965 --> 00:30:22,200 We have two potential buyers-- B of A and Barclays. 643 00:30:22,235 --> 00:30:24,502 Neither will take the company unless someone else 644 00:30:24,537 --> 00:30:26,804 finances part of the deal. 645 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,308 The government is not in a position to step in. 646 00:30:31,644 --> 00:30:34,612 I did the last one. You're gonna do this one. 647 00:30:34,646 --> 00:30:36,013 Where is Dick Fuld? 648 00:30:36,047 --> 00:30:38,281 Dick's in no condition to make any decisions. 649 00:30:38,315 --> 00:30:41,451 We're breaking you into three groups. 650 00:30:41,485 --> 00:30:44,288 The first one will try to value 651 00:30:44,322 --> 00:30:46,224 Lehman's toxic assets. 652 00:30:46,258 --> 00:30:48,293 The second one will work on some sort of structure 653 00:30:48,327 --> 00:30:50,495 for you all to invest in Lehman. 654 00:30:50,530 --> 00:30:54,200 And the third one works on the lights-out plan. 655 00:30:54,235 --> 00:30:56,636 If Lehman files for bankruptcy, we need to figure out 656 00:30:56,671 --> 00:30:58,939 how to contain the damage to the rest of you. 657 00:30:58,973 --> 00:31:00,140 Christ. 658 00:31:00,175 --> 00:31:02,110 We've all seen this coming for miles. 659 00:31:02,144 --> 00:31:05,315 I don't think the Lehman bankruptcy takes down our firms. 660 00:31:05,349 --> 00:31:07,952 What, are we crossing our fingers? 661 00:31:07,987 --> 00:31:10,622 You're asking us to save a competitor. 662 00:31:10,656 --> 00:31:13,092 Let's not act like you're doing us a favor. 663 00:31:13,126 --> 00:31:17,296 Gentlemen, gentlemen, you are great Americans 664 00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:19,264 undertaking a patriotic duty. 665 00:31:19,298 --> 00:31:22,032 Your travail will earn you 666 00:31:22,066 --> 00:31:25,500 the love and gratitude of your country. 667 00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:27,769 I think it was Thomas Paine who said that these are-- 668 00:31:27,803 --> 00:31:29,970 Lehman is a trading partner for every bank in this room. 669 00:31:30,004 --> 00:31:32,771 And their failure will be a massive blow to all of you. 670 00:31:32,806 --> 00:31:34,506 This is your problem. 671 00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:36,974 We can all argue about how we got here-- 672 00:31:37,008 --> 00:31:39,309 deregulation, derivatives, 673 00:31:39,343 --> 00:31:41,077 Dick Fuld made bad decisions. 674 00:31:41,111 --> 00:31:44,712 We're all responsible. It's a catastrophic mess. 675 00:31:44,747 --> 00:31:47,114 The government's done whatever it can do. 676 00:31:47,148 --> 00:31:48,482 It's on you now. 677 00:31:48,516 --> 00:31:51,451 You need to fix it and you need to pay for it. 678 00:31:51,485 --> 00:31:54,921 Let me be clear: 679 00:31:54,955 --> 00:31:56,922 We will remember 680 00:31:56,957 --> 00:31:59,625 anyone who's not helpful. 681 00:32:22,581 --> 00:32:24,983 Do you notice a little pattern here? 682 00:32:25,017 --> 00:32:27,785 We don't deal with things until there's some kind of emergency on the table. 683 00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:30,088 Yeah, we don't deal with things until Friday-- 684 00:32:30,122 --> 00:32:32,457 Some kind of a weekend thing. When are we gonna figure out 685 00:32:32,491 --> 00:32:34,659 exactly how to handle the failure of an investment bank? 686 00:32:34,694 --> 00:32:36,228 Well, let's do it over a weekend. 687 00:32:36,262 --> 00:32:38,263 Just I talked to a person who is monitoring 688 00:32:38,297 --> 00:32:40,599 The situation out there, and the person said 689 00:32:40,633 --> 00:32:43,936 they all want the same deal Jamie Dimon got, 690 00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:45,971 and they're not going to get it. 691 00:32:46,005 --> 00:32:48,406 Just a heads up-- Chris Flowers is in the lobby. 692 00:32:48,441 --> 00:32:51,343 He's consulting for B of A on Lehman. 693 00:32:53,212 --> 00:32:56,014 Hank pushed Flowers out of Goldman. 694 00:32:56,048 --> 00:32:57,782 Yesterday we thought Lehman was holding 695 00:32:57,817 --> 00:32:59,717 $30 billion in crap. Today it's $70-- 696 00:32:59,752 --> 00:33:03,219 $70 billion in assets that we're valuing with a dartboard. 697 00:33:03,253 --> 00:33:04,587 No, we're gonna work this out. 698 00:33:04,622 --> 00:33:06,890 Unless you step in, we're ending this. 699 00:33:06,924 --> 00:33:08,324 Don't forget about Dick. 700 00:33:08,358 --> 00:33:10,125 Yeah, Dick Fuld keeps calling, 701 00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:11,926 hammering us to raise the price. 702 00:33:13,696 --> 00:33:15,696 Excuse me. 703 00:33:20,202 --> 00:33:23,069 $70 fucking billion 704 00:33:23,104 --> 00:33:26,739 and no collateral? 705 00:33:26,774 --> 00:33:29,308 If Lehman Brothers fails this weekend, 706 00:33:29,343 --> 00:33:31,610 there's little doubt amongst the people I speak to 707 00:33:31,645 --> 00:33:33,712 that Merrill Lynch will be next. 708 00:33:33,746 --> 00:33:36,049 Confidence is a very fragile thing. 709 00:33:36,083 --> 00:33:39,752 And in our financial markets it is eroding very quickly. 710 00:33:39,787 --> 00:33:41,987 Lehman's not gonna make it. 711 00:33:42,021 --> 00:33:44,989 We're next. We need to do something right now. 712 00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,258 B of A's the only one out there. 713 00:33:47,292 --> 00:33:49,694 I can put in a call. It screws Lehman, but-- 714 00:33:49,728 --> 00:33:52,596 Lehman screwed themselves. Paulson has drawn a line in the sand. 715 00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:54,531 Lehman is dead. 716 00:33:54,565 --> 00:33:56,799 Make the call. 717 00:33:59,635 --> 00:34:02,806 We'd like you guys to look at taking a stake in Merrill, 718 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,842 something in the neighborhood of 10%. 719 00:34:05,876 --> 00:34:09,278 Well, I don't know if I can generate any interest in 10%, 720 00:34:09,312 --> 00:34:12,380 but if the whole company's in play, 721 00:34:12,415 --> 00:34:15,650 I bet that's something that we'd consider. 722 00:34:15,684 --> 00:34:17,752 Us and Lehman? 723 00:34:17,786 --> 00:34:20,754 Deal of this size-- there's only room for one. 724 00:34:27,394 --> 00:34:29,561 It is a lot of risk, no question, 725 00:34:29,596 --> 00:34:31,563 but if you stay in the game, 726 00:34:31,598 --> 00:34:33,932 we all will find a private solution. 727 00:34:33,966 --> 00:34:35,833 Absolutely. 728 00:34:37,002 --> 00:34:38,970 Don't get scared by the numbers. 729 00:34:39,004 --> 00:34:41,506 We'll figure it out. Lehman is worth owning. 730 00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:44,240 Guys, you got a second? 731 00:34:47,644 --> 00:34:49,611 I was at A.I.G. yesterday. 732 00:34:49,646 --> 00:34:51,612 Next Wednesday they got 733 00:34:51,647 --> 00:34:54,514 a $5 billion hole, minimum. 734 00:34:54,548 --> 00:34:57,014 I called Warren Buffett. 735 00:34:57,049 --> 00:34:59,983 He wouldn't touch it with a stick. 736 00:35:00,017 --> 00:35:01,818 We're looking into it. 737 00:35:01,852 --> 00:35:03,953 It's a very big company. 738 00:35:06,322 --> 00:35:08,256 Thanks, Chris. 739 00:35:08,290 --> 00:35:10,424 I appreciate all your help. 740 00:35:16,832 --> 00:35:19,634 They're not on top of it. 741 00:35:25,676 --> 00:35:27,778 Look at this. 742 00:35:31,617 --> 00:35:34,153 Is this even possible? 743 00:35:34,187 --> 00:35:36,055 A.I.G.? 744 00:35:36,089 --> 00:35:37,557 Holy shit. 745 00:35:38,993 --> 00:35:41,094 Get into this. 746 00:35:43,064 --> 00:35:45,667 John. 747 00:35:49,472 --> 00:35:52,742 Do you see what's happening here? 748 00:35:52,776 --> 00:35:54,911 Are you watching out for yourself? 749 00:35:54,945 --> 00:35:56,879 I'm not thick. 750 00:35:56,913 --> 00:35:59,648 I'm working on something. 751 00:36:02,886 --> 00:36:06,021 You're talking to B of A. 752 00:36:07,223 --> 00:36:09,291 I'm sorry. 753 00:36:09,325 --> 00:36:11,125 I know it's not good for Lehman, 754 00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:12,693 but I have to take care of Merrill. 755 00:36:12,727 --> 00:36:16,129 Let me worry about Lehman. 756 00:36:16,163 --> 00:36:18,865 Barclays is still in the game. 757 00:36:20,534 --> 00:36:22,535 Just get it done. 758 00:36:33,613 --> 00:36:37,283 B of A is gonna buy Merrill. 759 00:36:39,285 --> 00:36:41,520 We need to make Barclays work. 760 00:36:41,554 --> 00:36:45,057 I thought you said the British never close. 761 00:36:45,092 --> 00:36:47,026 They're here. 762 00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:49,395 They seem to really want it. 763 00:36:49,429 --> 00:36:52,898 If we hold their hands, they'll close. 764 00:36:52,933 --> 00:36:55,033 Rodgin, what the fuck? 765 00:36:55,068 --> 00:36:58,169 I can't get Geithner. I can't get Paulson. 766 00:36:58,204 --> 00:37:01,307 I can't even get my own goddamn employees to pick up the phone. 767 00:37:01,341 --> 00:37:03,376 There's a lot happening down here, Dick. 768 00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:04,844 Oh fuck. 769 00:37:04,878 --> 00:37:07,346 You know what? You tell Geithner, 770 00:37:07,381 --> 00:37:10,683 he doesn't pull my ass out of the fire-- Merrill's gonna be next. 771 00:37:10,718 --> 00:37:13,953 He knows that. Dick, he just told me 772 00:37:13,988 --> 00:37:16,556 they're working on a solution for Merrill. 773 00:37:19,393 --> 00:37:21,894 Those cocksuckers are gonna bail out Merrill? 774 00:37:21,929 --> 00:37:23,530 No no, not the Fed. 775 00:37:23,564 --> 00:37:25,532 Well, there's no private buyers. 776 00:37:25,566 --> 00:37:28,568 There's just B of A and-- 777 00:37:28,603 --> 00:37:31,204 they're gonna put B of A together with Merrill? 778 00:37:31,238 --> 00:37:33,772 We still have Barclays. Hank feels that-- 779 00:37:33,807 --> 00:37:38,109 the federal government is snaking my deal? 780 00:37:38,143 --> 00:37:41,779 I cannot fucking believe this shit! 781 00:37:43,616 --> 00:37:45,885 B of A made a deal with Merrill? 782 00:37:45,919 --> 00:37:47,954 Yeah, Lehman's still our problem. 783 00:37:47,988 --> 00:37:50,323 I don't think I can take another day of this. 784 00:37:50,357 --> 00:37:52,325 You're getting out of a Mercedes 785 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,361 to go to the New York Federal Reserve. 786 00:37:54,395 --> 00:37:56,697 It's not a Higgins boat on Omaha Beach. 787 00:38:04,939 --> 00:38:06,874 Okay okay, 788 00:38:06,908 --> 00:38:08,875 we've been here a long time. 789 00:38:08,910 --> 00:38:11,311 Let's stop fucking around. 790 00:38:11,345 --> 00:38:14,547 Main Street wants Wall Street to pay. 791 00:38:14,582 --> 00:38:17,684 They think we're overpaid assholes. 792 00:38:17,718 --> 00:38:21,221 There's no politician who's gonna sign off on a bailout. 793 00:38:21,255 --> 00:38:23,223 Why would you bail out people 794 00:38:23,257 --> 00:38:25,224 whose sole job is to make money? 795 00:38:25,259 --> 00:38:29,695 So let's make this real simple. 796 00:38:29,729 --> 00:38:32,464 Hank thinks he can sell 797 00:38:32,498 --> 00:38:34,232 the good parts of Lehman to Barclays, 798 00:38:34,267 --> 00:38:36,234 but someone has to take the real estate crap 799 00:38:36,268 --> 00:38:38,636 that's weighing down the company. 800 00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:40,637 Nobody knows how much this shit is worth, 801 00:38:40,672 --> 00:38:42,706 but we know somebody has to buy it to make a deal. 802 00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:44,741 I don't like it. 803 00:38:44,775 --> 00:38:47,210 Nobody likes it. 804 00:38:47,244 --> 00:38:50,046 Let's just suck it up and do it. 805 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,515 How many of you can kick in a billion dollars 806 00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:55,152 to stop Lehman from going down? 807 00:38:58,056 --> 00:39:00,090 I'm in. 808 00:39:00,125 --> 00:39:02,893 One billion. 809 00:39:13,304 --> 00:39:15,472 Okay. 810 00:39:21,244 --> 00:39:23,546 Goldman's in for a billion. 811 00:39:30,888 --> 00:39:33,356 John? 812 00:39:33,391 --> 00:39:35,525 Yeah. 813 00:39:41,098 --> 00:39:43,199 Yes. 814 00:39:44,702 --> 00:39:46,903 Yeah. 815 00:39:48,305 --> 00:39:50,438 Yes. 816 00:39:55,077 --> 00:39:57,679 We did it. Barclays came through. 817 00:39:57,713 --> 00:39:59,581 Too goddamn right! 818 00:39:59,615 --> 00:40:02,016 Barclays won't touch the real estate assets, 819 00:40:02,051 --> 00:40:04,385 but the other banks agreed to cover those. 820 00:40:05,921 --> 00:40:08,256 Call the board. Get everybody here. 821 00:40:08,290 --> 00:40:10,158 We got a deal to make. 822 00:40:10,193 --> 00:40:11,660 Okay. 823 00:40:21,205 --> 00:40:22,773 Did you get him? 824 00:40:22,807 --> 00:40:25,675 Geithner doesn't return my calls. 825 00:40:25,709 --> 00:40:27,509 We can't get hold of any of those people. 826 00:40:27,543 --> 00:40:30,444 At the end of the day they can't sign the deal without our say-so. 827 00:40:30,479 --> 00:40:33,080 Yes, but do they know that? 828 00:40:36,484 --> 00:40:38,451 Yes. 829 00:40:38,486 --> 00:40:40,086 Yes, by all means, 830 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,455 now that he deigns to call, put him through. 831 00:40:42,489 --> 00:40:45,657 Sir Callum, sorry I haven't gotten back to you. 832 00:40:45,692 --> 00:40:47,492 We're just sorting through 833 00:40:47,527 --> 00:40:50,128 this Barclays deal for Lehman. 834 00:40:50,162 --> 00:40:52,330 As Barclays' regulator, 835 00:40:52,364 --> 00:40:55,332 we have serious concerns about this proposed arrangement. 836 00:40:55,367 --> 00:40:57,167 What-- are-- are you saying 837 00:40:57,202 --> 00:40:59,269 you won't approve the deal? 838 00:40:59,303 --> 00:41:01,404 Even if we were comfortable with the agreement, 839 00:41:01,438 --> 00:41:02,972 which we are not, 840 00:41:03,006 --> 00:41:04,974 Barclays would need at least 30 days 841 00:41:05,008 --> 00:41:06,942 for shareholder approval. 842 00:41:06,976 --> 00:41:09,344 No no no no no no. 843 00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:11,713 He can't. He can't do this. 844 00:41:11,748 --> 00:41:14,449 - Can they stop the deal? - Of course they can stop the deal. 845 00:41:14,484 --> 00:41:16,451 But even if they don't stop it, the delay will kill it. 846 00:41:16,486 --> 00:41:19,954 Let's call the Chancellor of the Exchequer right now. 847 00:41:19,989 --> 00:41:22,123 None of those assets 848 00:41:22,157 --> 00:41:24,626 would be part of Barclays. 849 00:41:25,995 --> 00:41:30,032 Yes, but if the F.S.A. were to-- 850 00:41:31,668 --> 00:41:36,338 of c-- of course. 851 00:41:37,507 --> 00:41:39,475 Yeah. 852 00:41:39,509 --> 00:41:41,877 I wish you good night. 853 00:41:43,213 --> 00:41:45,413 Good night to you too. 854 00:41:52,787 --> 00:41:55,722 "We don't want to import your cancer." 855 00:42:07,468 --> 00:42:10,638 Those of you 856 00:42:10,672 --> 00:42:13,842 who didn't want to assist the Barclays deal, 857 00:42:13,876 --> 00:42:17,144 you can breathe a sigh of relief. 858 00:42:17,179 --> 00:42:19,213 The deal's not gonna happen. 859 00:42:19,247 --> 00:42:21,615 - Hank, we have the money. - The deal's dead. 860 00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:24,919 The British regulator won't sign off. 861 00:42:24,953 --> 00:42:26,587 There must be some pressure you can exert. 862 00:42:26,621 --> 00:42:29,224 Trust me, I've done everything I can. 863 00:42:29,258 --> 00:42:32,727 The British-- 864 00:42:32,762 --> 00:42:35,630 they grin-fucked us. 865 00:42:38,268 --> 00:42:40,202 Pason's got 100,000 employees. 866 00:42:40,236 --> 00:42:42,204 Geithner has 200 lawyers. 867 00:42:42,238 --> 00:42:44,239 Freaking Chris Cox has 3000 people. 868 00:42:44,274 --> 00:42:47,309 Not a single one of those assholes could pick up a phone, 869 00:42:47,334 --> 00:42:49,834 call the British, find out if they're was a deal to be made 870 00:42:49,913 --> 00:42:52,982 before they spend the weekend was sweating us for cash? 871 00:42:53,016 --> 00:42:54,984 Somebody dropped the ball. 872 00:42:55,018 --> 00:42:56,919 They didn't drop the ball. 873 00:42:56,953 --> 00:42:58,988 They dropped the ball, kicked the coach in the nuts 874 00:42:59,022 --> 00:43:00,956 and took a crap in the quarterback's mouth. 875 00:43:00,991 --> 00:43:03,092 Of course. 876 00:43:04,627 --> 00:43:07,196 The Fed will do something. 877 00:43:08,565 --> 00:43:10,165 They have to. 878 00:43:14,905 --> 00:43:16,872 We've got to announce the Lehman bankruptcy now. 879 00:43:16,907 --> 00:43:18,874 If Asia opens and this isn't locked down, 880 00:43:18,909 --> 00:43:20,743 everyone's gonna assume the worst. 881 00:43:20,777 --> 00:43:22,912 The selloff will kill the Merrill-B of A deal. 882 00:43:22,946 --> 00:43:25,381 - Who's gonna make the announcement? - I think it's gotta be S.E.C. 883 00:43:25,415 --> 00:43:26,782 Yeah. 884 00:43:26,816 --> 00:43:29,184 Okay. 885 00:43:32,054 --> 00:43:35,123 Let's do it here. How soon can we set that up? 886 00:43:35,157 --> 00:43:36,591 Right away. 887 00:43:36,626 --> 00:43:39,260 We could use the main floor, the entrance hall. 888 00:43:39,295 --> 00:43:41,996 With the statue behind me? Excellent. 889 00:43:46,034 --> 00:43:48,769 Did Lehman actually agree to file? 890 00:43:57,212 --> 00:43:59,080 Chris, call Lehman. 891 00:43:59,114 --> 00:44:00,748 Make sure they file right now. 892 00:44:00,782 --> 00:44:02,616 Absolutely. 893 00:44:14,429 --> 00:44:16,697 A.I.G.'s a huge problem. 894 00:44:16,731 --> 00:44:19,132 The books are a mess. But from what I can tell, 895 00:44:19,167 --> 00:44:22,201 half the banks in the world are in bed with these guys. 896 00:44:22,236 --> 00:44:24,571 Everyone who had a piece-of-crap mortgage security 897 00:44:24,605 --> 00:44:26,707 bought insurance on their risk from A.I.G., 898 00:44:26,741 --> 00:44:28,142 and I mean everyone. 899 00:44:28,176 --> 00:44:30,677 How could they let this happen? 900 00:44:30,712 --> 00:44:34,648 They must have figured real estate would never go down, ever. 901 00:44:34,682 --> 00:44:37,551 Hank, Lehman still hasn't filed. 902 00:44:39,587 --> 00:44:42,555 Cox has to make his announcement. Asia's opening. 903 00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:44,891 Has he talked to them? 904 00:44:44,925 --> 00:44:47,327 He hasn't even called yet. 905 00:44:47,361 --> 00:44:49,897 We told Fuld about Barclays. We said Cox was gonna call. 906 00:44:49,931 --> 00:44:51,865 He's got his entire board sitting there-- 907 00:44:51,899 --> 00:44:53,733 no call. 908 00:44:53,768 --> 00:44:55,702 Cox is like a deer in the headlights. 909 00:44:55,736 --> 00:44:57,838 Son of a bitch! 910 00:45:03,711 --> 00:45:07,414 You are their regulator. Call the Lehman board now. 911 00:45:07,448 --> 00:45:10,283 Hank, this is a complicated situation where-- 912 00:45:10,317 --> 00:45:12,185 Asia's opening. 913 00:45:12,219 --> 00:45:13,987 They don't announce-- market goes in the toilet. 914 00:45:14,021 --> 00:45:17,056 We have to consider the appropriate role of government here. 915 00:45:17,091 --> 00:45:19,525 Can I as chairman of S.E.C. move forward and--? 916 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,028 You guys are like the gang that can't shoot straight. 917 00:45:22,062 --> 00:45:24,363 This is your job. 918 00:45:24,398 --> 00:45:27,833 Make the damn phone call. 919 00:45:34,741 --> 00:45:36,842 Chris, this is Dick Fuld. 920 00:45:36,877 --> 00:45:38,911 The board is in session. Everyone is here-- 921 00:45:38,945 --> 00:45:41,547 all the directors and the firm's counsel. 922 00:45:41,581 --> 00:45:43,349 We understand 923 00:45:43,383 --> 00:45:45,851 the Barclays deal has imploded. 924 00:45:45,886 --> 00:45:50,122 We were hoping you might have some option 925 00:45:50,157 --> 00:45:52,658 that we haven't thought of yet. 926 00:45:52,692 --> 00:45:56,061 Uh, the markets are in turmoil, as you know. 927 00:45:56,096 --> 00:45:58,731 A Lehman bankruptcy will help 928 00:45:58,765 --> 00:46:01,566 settle that uncertainty and, we believe, calm the market. 929 00:46:01,601 --> 00:46:04,403 Both the Fed and SEC are in agreement about this. 930 00:46:04,437 --> 00:46:06,099 Well, let me under-- 931 00:46:06,124 --> 00:46:07,604 I'm sorry, let me see if I understand this. 932 00:46:07,606 --> 00:46:09,840 Are-- are you directing us 933 00:46:09,875 --> 00:46:12,409 to put Lehman into bankruptcy? 934 00:46:12,444 --> 00:46:14,178 Give us a moment. 935 00:46:15,447 --> 00:46:17,215 - He's muted. - What the hell was that? 936 00:46:20,352 --> 00:46:22,587 Tell them to file. 937 00:46:22,621 --> 00:46:25,723 Everything said in that meeting is or will be public record. 938 00:46:25,758 --> 00:46:28,092 I can't tell a private company to file for bankruptcy. 939 00:46:28,126 --> 00:46:29,793 I don't have that power. 940 00:46:29,828 --> 00:46:32,262 Do I? 941 00:46:34,799 --> 00:46:36,900 Do it. 942 00:46:48,646 --> 00:46:52,015 The decision to file for bankruptcy protection 943 00:46:52,049 --> 00:46:55,084 is one the board needs to make. 944 00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,787 It is not the government's decision. 945 00:46:57,821 --> 00:47:00,490 But we do believe... 946 00:47:02,493 --> 00:47:04,460 That the situation should be resolved. 947 00:47:04,495 --> 00:47:06,996 So you're not directing us to file? 948 00:47:07,031 --> 00:47:09,299 I'm not saying anything more than I've just said. 949 00:47:09,333 --> 00:47:10,934 Thank you. 950 00:47:24,314 --> 00:47:26,615 Take the vote. 951 00:47:28,084 --> 00:47:30,185 - Mr. Akers. - Yes. 952 00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:33,455 Sir Christopher. 953 00:47:33,490 --> 00:47:34,623 Yes. 954 00:47:34,657 --> 00:47:36,892 Admiral Evans. 955 00:47:36,926 --> 00:47:40,262 I'm sorry, but yes. 956 00:47:40,296 --> 00:47:42,631 Chairman Fuld. 957 00:47:44,835 --> 00:47:46,936 Dick? 958 00:47:52,376 --> 00:47:54,810 Yes. 959 00:47:56,947 --> 00:47:59,048 Mr. Hernandez. 960 00:47:59,082 --> 00:48:01,584 Yes. 961 00:48:01,618 --> 00:48:03,753 Mr. Ainslie. 962 00:48:03,787 --> 00:48:05,555 Yes. 963 00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:08,591 - Mr. Berlind. - Yes. 964 00:48:08,626 --> 00:48:11,093 - Mr. Cruikshank. - Yes. 965 00:48:11,128 --> 00:48:14,063 - Dr. Kaufman. - Yes. 966 00:48:14,097 --> 00:48:17,633 Mr. Macomber. 967 00:48:18,902 --> 00:48:20,636 P? 968 00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:24,139 - Lehman's gone. - Oh honey. 969 00:48:24,173 --> 00:48:26,141 I should have know the British were gonna be a problem. 970 00:48:26,175 --> 00:48:28,710 I spoke to them two days ago. I should have read between the lines. 971 00:48:31,714 --> 00:48:34,149 You can't take all this on. 972 00:48:34,183 --> 00:48:37,185 There's a lot of other people involved. 973 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:40,022 It's on me. I'm Treasury Secretary 974 00:48:40,056 --> 00:48:42,458 and the fourth largest investment bank in the country 975 00:48:42,492 --> 00:48:45,193 failed on my watch. 976 00:48:45,228 --> 00:48:48,963 I mean, I-- I-- 977 00:48:48,998 --> 00:48:51,866 I don't know what's gonna happen. 978 00:48:54,003 --> 00:48:56,270 Miss you too. 979 00:49:41,449 --> 00:49:43,783 Taxi. 980 00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,768 Jim, I'm at Midtown. 981 00:49:59,802 --> 00:50:03,138 The ticker is-- 982 00:50:03,173 --> 00:50:05,475 what the hell am I looking at? 983 00:50:05,509 --> 00:50:07,844 Hank, it's good. 984 00:50:12,717 --> 00:50:14,819 "It is oddly reassuring 985 00:50:14,854 --> 00:50:17,722 that the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve 986 00:50:17,757 --> 00:50:19,291 let Lehman Brothers fail." 987 00:50:19,326 --> 00:50:21,294 Oh, okay, here it is. Here it is. 988 00:50:21,328 --> 00:50:23,663 Government intervention would have been seen 989 00:50:23,697 --> 00:50:25,465 a sign of extreme peril 990 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:27,501 in the global financial system 991 00:50:27,535 --> 00:50:30,472 or extreme weakness on the part of federal regulators." 992 00:50:30,506 --> 00:50:32,674 "The New York" fucking "Times." 993 00:50:32,708 --> 00:50:35,644 Yeah, and it's not just them. It's everybody. 994 00:50:35,678 --> 00:50:39,314 Thank you, Senator. I appreciate it. 995 00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:41,750 Congress is liking it. 996 00:50:41,785 --> 00:50:43,952 I'm not sure they should be so happy about this, 997 00:50:43,987 --> 00:50:47,022 but they like that we let Lehman go. 998 00:50:47,056 --> 00:50:50,225 You stood strong. You've got brass balls. 999 00:50:50,259 --> 00:50:52,360 It's what people need at a time like this. 1000 00:50:52,395 --> 00:50:54,495 What is the market doing? 1001 00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:56,230 Uh, Europe's only down a little. 1002 00:50:56,264 --> 00:50:58,131 Dow Jones futures only off 3%. 1003 00:50:58,165 --> 00:51:00,365 So you need to build on this at the press conference. 1004 00:51:00,399 --> 00:51:03,567 The story is we did everything we could for Lehman. 1005 00:51:03,601 --> 00:51:05,301 - We did. - And the takeaway is... 1006 00:51:05,336 --> 00:51:08,036 No more bailouts. 1007 00:51:08,071 --> 00:51:09,705 Mr. Secretary. 1008 00:51:09,739 --> 00:51:11,606 How should we read what happened with Lehman? 1009 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,641 Read it as I think it's important 1010 00:51:13,675 --> 00:51:16,109 to maintain the stability 1011 00:51:16,143 --> 00:51:19,779 and orderliness of our financial system; 1012 00:51:19,813 --> 00:51:24,884 and, um, the... 1013 00:51:24,919 --> 00:51:28,254 Moral hazard is something I don't take lightly. 1014 00:51:28,289 --> 00:51:30,356 Mr. Paulson. Mr. Secretary, sir. 1015 00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:33,726 How do you see the health of the banking system today? 1016 00:51:33,761 --> 00:51:35,762 The way the markets are performing today-- 1017 00:51:35,796 --> 00:51:38,865 it's a testament to how the financial industry has come together 1018 00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:41,001 in an extraordinary set of circumstances. 1019 00:51:41,035 --> 00:51:43,003 The American people can remain confident 1020 00:51:43,037 --> 00:51:45,405 in the soundness and the resilience 1021 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,707 of the financial system. 1022 00:51:47,742 --> 00:51:49,276 Thank you all. 1023 00:51:49,310 --> 00:51:52,012 Mr. Secretary. Mr. Paulson. 1024 00:51:52,046 --> 00:51:54,181 What? 1025 00:51:54,215 --> 00:51:56,983 Dow's falling off a cliff-- 400 points already. 1026 00:51:57,018 --> 00:51:59,085 And the credit markets are frozen. 1027 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,954 Goldman and Morgan Stanley are getting slammed by withdrawals. 1028 00:52:01,988 --> 00:52:04,156 The Lehman thing's killing them. 1029 00:52:05,592 --> 00:52:07,426 I should talk to the President 1030 00:52:07,461 --> 00:52:10,028 about how we'll contain the damage. 1031 00:52:10,063 --> 00:52:12,531 Before you speak to the President, 1032 00:52:12,565 --> 00:52:14,733 we've had another problem. 1033 00:52:16,101 --> 00:52:17,735 A.I.G. 1034 00:52:17,769 --> 00:52:20,270 Mr. Geithner is working with A.I.G. 1035 00:52:20,305 --> 00:52:22,105 on a private-sector solution 1036 00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:24,108 and the Secretary is monitoring 1037 00:52:24,142 --> 00:52:26,043 their progress very carefully. 1038 00:52:26,078 --> 00:52:30,682 He's in close contact with the Congressional leadership, most-- 1039 00:52:30,716 --> 00:52:32,551 the White House wants a briefing on A.I.G. 1040 00:52:32,585 --> 00:52:34,386 They're more informed about that than we are. 1041 00:52:34,421 --> 00:52:36,054 We've got the same information they do. 1042 00:52:36,088 --> 00:52:39,056 No, we don't believe that Lehman's bankruptcy 1043 00:52:39,091 --> 00:52:41,092 is taking down all of Wall Street. 1044 00:52:41,126 --> 00:52:42,961 Okay, so how do you explain--? 1045 00:52:42,995 --> 00:52:44,963 The A.I.G. situation may have been, 1046 00:52:44,998 --> 00:52:47,733 you know, exacerbated by the-- 1047 00:52:47,768 --> 00:52:49,735 and Barney Frank's office. 1048 00:52:50,971 --> 00:52:52,204 Yeah. 1049 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,574 A surprise? No, A.I.G. has been struggling-- 1050 00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:58,644 Well, why didn't you guys head off this situation six months ago? 1051 00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:02,446 Because the requisite magic wand wasn't available, Doug. 1052 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,247 But if we do find one, 1053 00:53:04,281 --> 00:53:06,715 you will be among the very first to know. 1054 00:53:07,617 --> 00:53:09,951 Blankfein on four, urgent. 1055 00:53:09,985 --> 00:53:12,420 I have to go. 1056 00:53:12,454 --> 00:53:13,988 Hey Lloyd. 1057 00:53:14,022 --> 00:53:16,323 The goddamn British bankruptcy administrator 1058 00:53:16,357 --> 00:53:18,626 froze all of Lehman's customer accounts. 1059 00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:21,263 You didn't square this with the British before you did it? 1060 00:53:21,298 --> 00:53:22,898 Geithner on five. 1061 00:53:22,933 --> 00:53:24,633 People are freaking out. 1062 00:53:24,668 --> 00:53:26,669 They can't get their money. 1063 00:53:26,703 --> 00:53:29,038 Not investors-- clients. 1064 00:53:29,072 --> 00:53:31,674 If customers think their money wasn't safe with Lehman, 1065 00:53:31,708 --> 00:53:33,509 they're not gonna trust us either. 1066 00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:36,778 No one will do business with us. 1067 00:53:36,812 --> 00:53:38,511 You're gonna have to hang on. 1068 00:53:38,546 --> 00:53:39,944 Tim. 1069 00:53:39,978 --> 00:53:42,412 Dan spoke to Moody's. They're downgrading A.I.G. tonight. 1070 00:53:42,447 --> 00:53:45,880 Would have happened anyway, but Lehman put the whole thing into hyperdrive. 1071 00:53:45,915 --> 00:53:47,482 How far down are they? 1072 00:53:47,516 --> 00:53:49,150 French finance minster on six. 1073 00:53:49,184 --> 00:53:51,418 They don't know. 1074 00:53:51,452 --> 00:53:54,086 We're working on that. 1075 00:53:54,121 --> 00:53:55,954 Christine. 1076 00:53:55,988 --> 00:53:57,822 How could you let this happen with Lehman? 1077 00:53:57,856 --> 00:53:59,456 What on earth were you thinking? 1078 00:53:59,491 --> 00:54:02,291 We did everything we could, Christine. 1079 00:54:02,326 --> 00:54:04,526 You allowed it to fail, Hank. 1080 00:54:04,561 --> 00:54:06,327 It was a horrifying mistake. 1081 00:54:06,362 --> 00:54:09,029 It is having catastrophic consequences all over Europe. 1082 00:54:09,063 --> 00:54:11,230 And A.I.G. would be even worse. 1083 00:54:11,265 --> 00:54:14,832 The European banks have tremendous exposure to A.I.G. 1084 00:54:14,867 --> 00:54:18,335 We need assurance you will not fail to act as you did with Lehman. 1085 00:54:18,369 --> 00:54:21,070 It is not just an American problem. 1086 00:54:22,405 --> 00:54:23,838 Thank you so much for... 1087 00:54:23,872 --> 00:54:25,106 John Mack. 1088 00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:26,640 Hey-- uh... 1089 00:54:26,674 --> 00:54:28,775 - John. - Secretary: John-- one. 1090 00:54:29,943 --> 00:54:33,179 The fallout from Lehman is killing us. 1091 00:54:33,213 --> 00:54:35,447 The short-sellers are all over us. 1092 00:54:35,481 --> 00:54:36,981 We're down 10% already. 1093 00:54:37,015 --> 00:54:39,483 You guys have no idea what's going on out here. 1094 00:54:39,517 --> 00:54:41,985 How are your earnings? 1095 00:54:42,019 --> 00:54:44,554 Strong. We're gonna announce Friday. 1096 00:54:44,588 --> 00:54:45,855 Announce now. 1097 00:54:47,424 --> 00:54:49,559 Okay, Lloyd, sorry. 1098 00:54:49,593 --> 00:54:52,661 Hank, if depositors see they can't get their assets out of Lehman, 1099 00:54:52,696 --> 00:54:54,663 the next step is gonna be a massive pullout 1100 00:54:54,698 --> 00:54:56,833 from all the investment banks. 1101 00:54:56,867 --> 00:54:58,468 Jeff Immelt from G.E. 1102 00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:02,239 Jesus, what's Immelt calling you for? 1103 00:55:02,273 --> 00:55:04,108 I have to go. 1104 00:55:04,142 --> 00:55:05,542 Jeff. 1105 00:55:05,577 --> 00:55:07,678 You gotta know what's going on out here. 1106 00:55:07,712 --> 00:55:10,947 We're having trouble funding our day-to-day operations. 1107 00:55:10,982 --> 00:55:14,484 Our finance division is infecting the rest of our business. 1108 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:16,353 General Electric? 1109 00:55:16,387 --> 00:55:19,489 This thing is spreading way past Wall Street. 1110 00:55:19,523 --> 00:55:22,124 I get that nobody wants to touch mortgages, 1111 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,260 but we're making planes and engines, and light bulbs. 1112 00:55:25,295 --> 00:55:27,730 We're a healthy company. 1113 00:55:27,764 --> 00:55:30,799 If we can't finance our day-to-day operations, 1114 00:55:30,834 --> 00:55:34,303 every business in America's gonna be shutting down. 1115 00:55:41,877 --> 00:55:44,078 Where's A.I.G.? 1116 00:55:44,112 --> 00:55:45,412 It closed at $2. 1117 00:55:45,447 --> 00:55:47,848 Tim thinks we need to do something big. 1118 00:55:47,882 --> 00:55:49,283 Ben agrees, and so do I. 1119 00:55:49,317 --> 00:55:51,318 What can we do? A.I.G.'s not even a bank. 1120 00:55:51,352 --> 00:55:53,320 The Fed can lend to nonbanks 1121 00:55:53,354 --> 00:55:56,056 under unusual and exigent circumstances. 1122 00:55:56,090 --> 00:55:59,827 We're thinking of taking over 80% of the company. 1123 00:56:02,097 --> 00:56:04,632 Hank, we can't. 1124 00:56:04,666 --> 00:56:07,735 This morning we were lecturing the entire country on moral hazard. 1125 00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:10,572 A.I.G. has collateral. They have assets. 1126 00:56:10,606 --> 00:56:14,008 Lehman didn't. We couldn't lend into a hole. 1127 00:56:14,043 --> 00:56:15,811 It's not the same story. 1128 00:56:15,845 --> 00:56:17,779 Nobody's gonna care. 1129 00:56:17,814 --> 00:56:20,583 It's another bailout with no legislation. 1130 00:56:20,617 --> 00:56:22,785 The Hill's gonna go crazy. The country's gonna go crazy. 1131 00:56:22,819 --> 00:56:24,820 The plane that we flew in on this morning-- 1132 00:56:24,854 --> 00:56:26,788 leased from A.I.G. 1133 00:56:26,822 --> 00:56:29,023 Construction downtown-- A.I.G. 1134 00:56:29,057 --> 00:56:31,992 Life insurance-- 81 million policies 1135 00:56:32,027 --> 00:56:34,328 with a face value of $1.9 trillion, 1136 00:56:34,363 --> 00:56:37,632 billions of dollars in teachers' pensions-- it's everywhere. 1137 00:56:37,666 --> 00:56:40,234 You want too big to fail? Here it is. 1138 00:56:40,268 --> 00:56:42,236 You got a better idea? 1139 00:56:42,270 --> 00:56:44,437 The suggestion box is wide open. 1140 00:56:51,178 --> 00:56:53,746 I hate to do this right now, 1141 00:56:53,781 --> 00:56:56,082 but I'm gonna have to have a press call first thing, 1142 00:56:56,117 --> 00:56:58,151 and I really don't know what I'm gonna tell them. 1143 00:56:58,185 --> 00:57:00,821 Tell them Lehman exacerbated A.I.G., 1144 00:57:00,856 --> 00:57:03,524 the simultaneous payouts of C.D.O.s 1145 00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:06,161 and credit default swaps put catastrophic pressure on-- 1146 00:57:06,195 --> 00:57:09,365 Go back further. 1147 00:57:09,399 --> 00:57:11,667 The global pool of investment capital-- 1148 00:57:11,701 --> 00:57:13,802 she has to do this in English. 1149 00:57:13,836 --> 00:57:15,937 Start with the homeowners. 1150 00:57:15,971 --> 00:57:18,906 Okay okay, here's how you explain it. 1151 00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:23,476 Wall Street started bundling 1152 00:57:23,511 --> 00:57:25,612 home loans together-- mortgage-backed securities-- 1153 00:57:25,646 --> 00:57:28,915 and selling slices of those bundles to investors. 1154 00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:31,185 And they were making big money, 1155 00:57:31,219 --> 00:57:33,454 so they started pushing the lenders, saying, 1156 00:57:33,488 --> 00:57:35,523 "come on, we need more loans. 1157 00:57:35,557 --> 00:57:37,526 The lenders had already given loans 1158 00:57:37,561 --> 00:57:39,530 to borrowers with good credit, 1159 00:57:39,565 --> 00:57:42,100 so they go bottom-feeding. They lower their criteria. 1160 00:57:42,135 --> 00:57:44,804 Before, you needed a credit score of 620 1161 00:57:44,838 --> 00:57:47,006 and a downpayment of 20%. 1162 00:57:47,041 --> 00:57:49,542 Now they'll settle for 500, no money down. 1163 00:57:49,577 --> 00:57:51,778 And the buyer-- the regular guy on the street-- 1164 00:57:51,812 --> 00:57:53,580 assumes that the experts know what they're doing. 1165 00:57:53,614 --> 00:57:56,182 He's saying to himself, "if the bank's willing to loan me money, 1166 00:57:56,216 --> 00:57:57,950 I must be able to afford it." 1167 00:57:57,984 --> 00:58:00,286 So he reaches for the American dream. 1168 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,854 He buys that house. 1169 00:58:01,888 --> 00:58:05,090 The banks knew securities based on shitbag mortgages were risky. 1170 00:58:05,124 --> 00:58:06,558 You'll work on "shitbag." 1171 00:58:06,593 --> 00:58:08,126 So to control their downside, 1172 00:58:08,161 --> 00:58:09,962 the banks started buying a kind of insurance. 1173 00:58:09,996 --> 00:58:13,098 If mortgages default, insurance company pays-- 1174 00:58:13,133 --> 00:58:14,900 default swap. 1175 00:58:14,934 --> 00:58:17,069 The banks insure their potential losses 1176 00:58:17,103 --> 00:58:18,871 to move the risk off their books 1177 00:58:18,905 --> 00:58:21,206 so they can invest more, make more money. 1178 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,408 And when a lot of companies insured this stuff, 1179 00:58:23,443 --> 00:58:26,945 one was dumb enough to take on an almost unbelievable amount of risk. 1180 00:58:26,979 --> 00:58:29,414 - A.I.G. - And you'll work on "dumb." 1181 00:58:29,448 --> 00:58:31,649 And when they ask me why they did that? 1182 00:58:31,683 --> 00:58:34,018 - Fees. - Hundreds of millions in fees. 1183 00:58:34,052 --> 00:58:36,621 A.I.G. figured the housing market would just keep going up, 1184 00:58:36,655 --> 00:58:38,089 but then the unexpected happens. 1185 00:58:38,123 --> 00:58:40,258 Housing prices go down. 1186 00:58:40,292 --> 00:58:42,093 The poor bastard who bought his dream house-- 1187 00:58:42,127 --> 00:58:44,261 the teaser rate on his mortgage runs out. 1188 00:58:44,296 --> 00:58:46,864 His payments go up. He defaults. 1189 00:58:46,898 --> 00:58:48,666 Mortgage-backed securities tank. 1190 00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:50,634 A.I.G. has to pay off the swaps-- 1191 00:58:50,669 --> 00:58:52,903 all of them all over the world 1192 00:58:52,938 --> 00:58:54,939 at the same time. 1193 00:58:54,973 --> 00:58:58,075 A.I.G. can't pay. A.I.G. goes under. 1194 00:58:58,109 --> 00:59:00,477 Every bank they insure 1195 00:59:00,511 --> 00:59:04,314 books massive losses on the same day. 1196 00:59:04,349 --> 00:59:06,517 And then they all go under. 1197 00:59:06,551 --> 00:59:08,919 It all comes down. 1198 00:59:09,921 --> 00:59:12,422 The whole financial system? 1199 00:59:17,228 --> 00:59:19,496 And what do I say 1200 00:59:19,531 --> 00:59:22,265 when they ask me why it wasn't regulated? 1201 00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:26,136 No one wanted to. 1202 00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:29,506 We were making too much money. 1203 00:59:39,384 --> 00:59:41,318 You'll work on 1204 00:59:41,352 --> 00:59:43,954 "we were making too much money." 1205 00:59:56,301 --> 00:59:58,569 Hey, Hank, 1206 00:59:58,603 --> 01:00:01,105 um... 1207 01:00:01,139 --> 01:00:03,140 These are really mild, 1208 01:00:03,174 --> 01:00:05,275 but they work. 1209 01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:08,411 I know the whole Christian Scientist thing-- 1210 01:00:08,446 --> 01:00:11,649 that you don't take medicine. 1211 01:00:11,683 --> 01:00:14,351 But you need to sleep. 1212 01:00:16,388 --> 01:00:18,088 Jim-- 1213 01:00:18,123 --> 01:00:20,424 Hank, not just for your own sake. 1214 01:00:20,458 --> 01:00:22,559 Okay? 1215 01:00:26,631 --> 01:00:28,766 You don't look so good. 1216 01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:35,873 Just minutes ago CNN has confirmed 1217 01:00:35,907 --> 01:00:38,142 that the Federal Reserve is negotiating 1218 01:00:38,176 --> 01:00:40,511 to rescue insurance giant AIG 1219 01:00:40,545 --> 01:00:42,513 The negotiations could include 1220 01:00:42,548 --> 01:00:44,983 an $85 billion temporary loan 1221 01:00:45,017 --> 01:00:47,185 to stave off AIG's imminent collapse. 1222 01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:48,820 This is a blockbuster, folks. 1223 01:00:48,854 --> 01:00:51,322 About this time last night, many on Wall Street 1224 01:00:51,357 --> 01:00:53,490 were fearing total disaster today. 1225 01:00:53,525 --> 01:00:55,492 So another federal bailout 1226 01:00:55,526 --> 01:00:57,393 of another Wall Street giant-- 1227 01:00:57,428 --> 01:00:59,962 again, as we mentioned, big big financial news. 1228 01:00:59,997 --> 01:01:03,633 And this affects almost everyone out there who has a 401k. 1229 01:01:03,667 --> 01:01:05,501 The news comes about 3 1/2 hours 1230 01:01:05,536 --> 01:01:07,870 after the stock exchange closed on... 1231 01:01:07,905 --> 01:01:10,640 Motherfucker. 1232 01:01:10,674 --> 01:01:12,708 We want to go straight right now to Ali Velshi 1233 01:01:12,743 --> 01:01:14,877 to kind of give us a bottom line on this, Ali. 1234 01:01:14,911 --> 01:01:17,046 And then we're gonna get a lot more in depth... 1235 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,748 AIG securing an 85... 1236 01:01:18,782 --> 01:01:20,749 The credit markets are still frozen solid. 1237 01:01:20,783 --> 01:01:22,752 We keep dumping money into these companies 1238 01:01:22,786 --> 01:01:25,988 so the markets will stabilize, 1239 01:01:26,023 --> 01:01:27,456 and nothing helps. 1240 01:01:27,491 --> 01:01:30,126 We can't keep doing this. 1241 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,762 We rescued Bear with no legislation, 1242 01:01:32,796 --> 01:01:36,198 A.I.G. with no legislation. 1243 01:01:36,233 --> 01:01:38,601 People think Fannie and Freddie was a bait-and-switch. 1244 01:01:38,635 --> 01:01:40,202 I don't like it any more than you do, 1245 01:01:40,237 --> 01:01:42,137 but they were exceptional situations. 1246 01:01:42,172 --> 01:01:45,174 This situation demands an endgame 1247 01:01:45,208 --> 01:01:48,443 that does not rely on unilateral action from the Fed. 1248 01:01:48,477 --> 01:01:50,111 This is a democracy. 1249 01:01:50,145 --> 01:01:52,747 We cannot be men behind the curtain pulling the strings. 1250 01:01:52,782 --> 01:01:54,917 We need some kind of an overall solution 1251 01:01:54,951 --> 01:01:57,286 that heals the entire system. 1252 01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,488 And it has to be legitimate. 1253 01:01:59,522 --> 01:02:01,123 We've been putting off going to Congress. 1254 01:02:01,157 --> 01:02:03,058 It's two months before an election. 1255 01:02:03,093 --> 01:02:06,261 They can't vote yes to a massive bailout 1256 01:02:06,296 --> 01:02:08,030 of the entire banking system. 1257 01:02:08,064 --> 01:02:09,531 They'd never get reelected. 1258 01:02:09,566 --> 01:02:11,533 - Hank-- - We go to Congress, 1259 01:02:11,567 --> 01:02:14,136 publically state we don't have the firepower 1260 01:02:14,170 --> 01:02:16,638 to control this anymore, 1261 01:02:16,672 --> 01:02:18,673 and then they say no-- 1262 01:02:18,708 --> 01:02:22,811 that is really the nightmare scenario. 1263 01:02:22,845 --> 01:02:27,415 The nightmare scenario's already here, my friend. 1264 01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:30,819 We're in it. 1265 01:03:30,145 --> 01:03:32,246 P. 1266 01:03:43,157 --> 01:03:45,191 You can't put this all on your own shoulders. 1267 01:03:45,226 --> 01:03:46,926 We're running out of options. 1268 01:03:46,961 --> 01:03:49,496 Then you just keep trying. 1269 01:03:49,530 --> 01:03:51,631 That's what you do. 1270 01:03:51,666 --> 01:03:53,800 Eventually something's gonna work. 1271 01:03:53,834 --> 01:03:56,770 I'm not sure that that is true anymore. 1272 01:03:56,804 --> 01:03:59,339 There's not a bank in the world 1273 01:03:59,373 --> 01:04:01,341 that has enough money in its vault 1274 01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:02,842 to pay its depositors. 1275 01:04:02,876 --> 01:04:05,478 It's all built on trust. 1276 01:04:05,512 --> 01:04:07,780 And-- and, Wendy, we-- 1277 01:04:07,815 --> 01:04:11,384 we are so very close. 1278 01:04:14,321 --> 01:04:18,057 Morgan Stanley, Goldman are an inch away. 1279 01:04:18,092 --> 01:04:20,827 If the other banks stop trusting them, 1280 01:04:20,861 --> 01:04:23,830 if they pull back on interbank lending, 1281 01:04:23,864 --> 01:04:26,132 it's over in a matter of hours. 1282 01:04:26,166 --> 01:04:28,667 And from there it goes 1283 01:04:28,702 --> 01:04:30,669 too fast to stop-- a run-- 1284 01:04:30,704 --> 01:04:33,439 and not just on that one bank. 1285 01:04:33,473 --> 01:04:35,441 I mean, on the whole system. 1286 01:04:35,475 --> 01:04:38,343 And average people wondering, 1287 01:04:38,378 --> 01:04:40,812 "is my money safe?" 1288 01:04:40,846 --> 01:04:43,747 They start pulling their cash. 1289 01:04:45,717 --> 01:04:47,651 And after that-- 1290 01:04:47,685 --> 01:04:50,921 lines outside the banks, smashed A.T.M.s. 1291 01:04:50,956 --> 01:04:54,326 A couple of weeks-- 1292 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,329 there's no milk in the store. 1293 01:04:57,363 --> 01:04:59,231 For the second time this week 1294 01:04:59,265 --> 01:05:01,066 there was a massive selloff on Wall Street, 1295 01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:04,669 the Dow Jones Industrials freefalling some 450 points 1296 01:05:04,704 --> 01:05:06,671 on news of a taxpayer-funded bailout 1297 01:05:06,706 --> 01:05:08,607 of the A.I.G. Insurance company. 1298 01:05:08,641 --> 01:05:11,009 Three of the five investment banks are gone. 1299 01:05:11,043 --> 01:05:13,445 The country's biggest mortgage lender is gone. 1300 01:05:13,479 --> 01:05:16,215 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac brought under government control. 1301 01:05:16,249 --> 01:05:18,351 The financial system is holding right now, 1302 01:05:18,385 --> 01:05:19,986 but for how long? 1303 01:05:20,021 --> 01:05:22,656 All the King's horses and all the King's men 1304 01:05:22,691 --> 01:05:25,092 are being brought to bear to keep this thing together. 1305 01:05:51,715 --> 01:05:52,848 Hi Tim. 1306 01:05:52,882 --> 01:05:54,816 I'm on the street, Hank, 1307 01:05:54,850 --> 01:05:57,018 and people are just going about their business. 1308 01:05:57,052 --> 01:06:00,354 They have no idea the whole thing is about to fall down. 1309 01:06:00,388 --> 01:06:02,922 We're gonna have to go to Congress. 1310 01:06:02,957 --> 01:06:04,524 We don't have a choice anymore. 1311 01:06:04,558 --> 01:06:06,225 Okay. 1312 01:06:06,260 --> 01:06:08,260 How fast do you think you can get them to move? 1313 01:06:08,294 --> 01:06:10,462 It's gonna be at least a couple days. 1314 01:06:10,496 --> 01:06:13,699 Goldman and Morgan Stanley are going down now. 1315 01:06:13,733 --> 01:06:15,401 We gotta do something today. 1316 01:06:15,435 --> 01:06:16,602 Like what? 1317 01:06:16,636 --> 01:06:18,737 The market doesn't like investment banks, right? 1318 01:06:18,772 --> 01:06:21,173 The money's saying fuck you to the whole business model. 1319 01:06:21,207 --> 01:06:22,708 Yeah. 1320 01:06:22,742 --> 01:06:25,811 Yeah, so merge them with commercial banks, 1321 01:06:25,846 --> 01:06:27,947 turn them into regular banks regulated by the Fed. 1322 01:06:27,981 --> 01:06:29,682 They can use depositors' cash. 1323 01:06:29,716 --> 01:06:31,684 It will give them access to the discount window. 1324 01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:34,654 It's cheap government cash. 1325 01:06:34,688 --> 01:06:37,557 - You want to make them bigger? - It's a trade-off, Hank. 1326 01:06:37,591 --> 01:06:41,494 The upside is it'll stabilize them. 1327 01:06:41,529 --> 01:06:44,063 The downside is, 1328 01:06:44,098 --> 01:06:48,068 yeah, they'll be really fucking big. 1329 01:06:48,102 --> 01:06:50,304 Do it, Tim. 1330 01:06:52,274 --> 01:06:54,142 Godspeed. 1331 01:07:11,497 --> 01:07:14,066 Get me Blankfein. 1332 01:07:15,568 --> 01:07:17,837 Lloyd, call Vikram Pandit, talk to him about a merger. 1333 01:07:17,871 --> 01:07:19,873 Tim, we're looking at all our options. 1334 01:07:19,907 --> 01:07:21,875 You don't have options, Lloyd. 1335 01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:23,377 There's a run on your bank. 1336 01:07:23,411 --> 01:07:25,246 You need money-- Citi has deposits. 1337 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,149 Citi is a mess-- you're organized. Call Pandit. 1338 01:07:37,562 --> 01:07:38,903 Yeah. 1339 01:07:38,928 --> 01:07:40,628 I want you to look at merging with Morgan Stanley. 1340 01:07:40,632 --> 01:07:42,567 What, are you kidding me? I just bought Bear. 1341 01:07:42,601 --> 01:07:44,202 We're still trying to make that work. 1342 01:07:44,236 --> 01:07:46,338 You didn't buy Bear. You got Bear as a Christmas present. 1343 01:07:46,372 --> 01:07:48,207 The market's a fucking disaster, Jamie. 1344 01:07:48,241 --> 01:07:50,376 Talk to John Mack. 1345 01:07:50,410 --> 01:07:53,145 Hey, Geithner says we should talk about a merger. 1346 01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:55,281 - You want to do a deal? - No. 1347 01:07:55,315 --> 01:07:57,450 Then why the fuck did he tell me to call you? 1348 01:07:57,485 --> 01:07:59,686 I'm under orders to try and help you. 1349 01:07:59,721 --> 01:08:03,124 You're a prince, Jamie-- a real prince. 1350 01:08:06,662 --> 01:08:08,931 Apparently some people seem to think 1351 01:08:08,965 --> 01:08:11,166 combining our firms would be a good idea. 1352 01:08:11,201 --> 01:08:14,136 Well, I want you to know I'm flattered by this call. 1353 01:08:14,171 --> 01:08:16,305 Vikram, I'm not trying 1354 01:08:16,340 --> 01:08:18,408 to flatter you, believe me. 1355 01:08:18,442 --> 01:08:20,009 Geithner's calling. 1356 01:08:20,044 --> 01:08:22,412 Oh, here comes goddamn eharmony. 1357 01:08:22,446 --> 01:08:24,915 Hey, guess what. Jaime's not interested. 1358 01:08:26,818 --> 01:08:28,953 Do Wachovia. 1359 01:08:28,988 --> 01:08:31,122 They were writing mortgages with their eyes closed. 1360 01:08:31,156 --> 01:08:33,324 Tim, it's a shit sandwich. Forget it. 1361 01:08:38,996 --> 01:08:41,198 Well, I haven't been able to reach you for four hours. 1362 01:08:41,232 --> 01:08:44,601 That is-- that is totally fucking unacceptable on a day like today. 1363 01:08:44,636 --> 01:08:47,571 I had to run my team through the Goldman proposal. 1364 01:08:47,605 --> 01:08:49,239 It's not gonna work. 1365 01:08:49,273 --> 01:08:52,675 You passed on Goldman without even talking to me? 1366 01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:55,878 I don't need another trillion dollars on my balance sheet. 1367 01:08:59,616 --> 01:09:03,686 Next time I call, pick up. 1368 01:09:04,588 --> 01:09:06,723 Fucker. 1369 01:09:06,757 --> 01:09:09,859 The problem is the toxic assets. Let's just buy them. 1370 01:09:09,893 --> 01:09:12,127 Ooh, call it cash-for-trash. 1371 01:09:12,162 --> 01:09:14,862 When the market stabilizes, we'll unload them. 1372 01:09:14,896 --> 01:09:16,963 Hopefully Treasury will get its money back. 1373 01:09:16,997 --> 01:09:19,531 - Is that in the break-the-glass plan? - Basically. 1374 01:09:19,532 --> 01:09:21,518 My copy's missing some pages. 1375 01:09:21,543 --> 01:09:22,884 Could someone else show me the rest of-- 1376 01:09:22,886 --> 01:09:24,953 It's succinct. 1377 01:09:25,034 --> 01:09:27,201 We've got one shot with Congress. 1378 01:09:27,236 --> 01:09:30,870 You want them to write a piece of legislation based on three pages? 1379 01:09:30,904 --> 01:09:32,237 Look, guys, 1380 01:09:32,272 --> 01:09:34,505 buying toxic assets is gonna be a nightmare. 1381 01:09:34,539 --> 01:09:36,339 Nobody knows what the stuff's worth. 1382 01:09:36,373 --> 01:09:39,140 It'll take forever to untangle. These banks are going down now. 1383 01:09:39,174 --> 01:09:40,307 So what do we do? 1384 01:09:40,341 --> 01:09:42,009 You want to unfreeze credit, right? 1385 01:09:42,043 --> 01:09:43,644 You want the banks to lend people money? 1386 01:09:43,678 --> 01:09:46,614 - That's the goal. - So give them money to lend. 1387 01:09:49,017 --> 01:09:50,918 Capital injections? 1388 01:09:50,952 --> 01:09:52,518 Dan, come on. 1389 01:09:52,543 --> 01:09:53,944 I can't believe you're pulling out the "n" word. 1390 01:09:53,945 --> 01:09:55,200 I'm not saying nationalize the banks. 1391 01:09:55,225 --> 01:09:56,455 I'm saying isolate the ones 1392 01:09:56,457 --> 01:09:58,424 that are really in trouble and make an investment. 1393 01:09:58,459 --> 01:09:59,826 It's unamerican. 1394 01:09:59,860 --> 01:10:01,794 It's-- it's sure unrepublican. 1395 01:10:01,828 --> 01:10:04,296 You make the government a stockholder-- 1396 01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:06,098 what, do we tell them 1397 01:10:06,132 --> 01:10:08,700 how to manage themselves, what to buy and sell? 1398 01:10:08,735 --> 01:10:10,552 Run them like the post Office? 1399 01:10:10,577 --> 01:10:11,769 'Cause that works like a dream. 1400 01:10:11,770 --> 01:10:13,236 We make it temporary. 1401 01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:15,804 We make ourselves nonvoting stockholders. 1402 01:10:15,838 --> 01:10:18,871 You can't just hand the banks massive piles of cash. 1403 01:10:18,906 --> 01:10:20,739 Nobody's gonna go for it. 1404 01:10:20,774 --> 01:10:22,541 To the Republican's it's nationalization. 1405 01:10:22,575 --> 01:10:24,342 To the Democrats it's a bailout. 1406 01:10:24,376 --> 01:10:26,410 And the banks are gonna go ballistic. 1407 01:10:26,444 --> 01:10:29,246 Sorry, Dan, not gonna happen. 1408 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,213 Kudos for out-of-the-box thinking. 1409 01:10:31,247 --> 01:10:33,947 Neel, if we go with your plan to buy the assets, 1410 01:10:33,982 --> 01:10:36,282 how much is it gonna cost? 1411 01:10:36,316 --> 01:10:37,683 It won't work. 1412 01:10:37,717 --> 01:10:41,118 Look, the plan is three pages long, totally vague. 1413 01:10:41,153 --> 01:10:43,053 If buying the assets doesn't work, 1414 01:10:43,087 --> 01:10:45,021 we'll nationalize the banks for you, okay? 1415 01:10:45,055 --> 01:10:46,489 How much? 1416 01:10:46,523 --> 01:10:49,758 To be safe, maybe a trillion. 1417 01:10:49,792 --> 01:10:53,093 The Congress will never do a trillion-- never. 1418 01:10:53,127 --> 01:10:56,729 Well, there's $11 trillion in residential mortgages. 1419 01:10:56,764 --> 01:10:59,265 There's $3 trillion in commercial mortgages. 1420 01:10:59,299 --> 01:11:01,967 That's $14 trillion, right? 1421 01:11:02,001 --> 01:11:04,936 You gotta figure about 5% default rate. 1422 01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:07,771 5% of $14 trillion 1423 01:11:07,805 --> 01:11:12,073 is $700 billion. 1424 01:11:14,776 --> 01:11:17,677 It's better than a trillion. 1425 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,379 The only way to get this done 1426 01:11:22,413 --> 01:11:24,413 is to just scare them shitless. 1427 01:11:24,448 --> 01:11:28,081 That should be easy. I'm scared shitless myself. 1428 01:11:39,956 --> 01:11:43,024 Troubled Asset Relief Program? 1429 01:11:43,058 --> 01:11:44,725 T.A.R.P. We're calling it. 1430 01:11:44,759 --> 01:11:47,226 This is your draft of the bill? 1431 01:11:47,260 --> 01:11:50,595 Subject to revision certainly. 1432 01:11:52,263 --> 01:11:54,263 Well, I've only got three pages here. 1433 01:11:54,298 --> 01:11:55,765 Am I missing something? 1434 01:11:55,799 --> 01:11:57,033 No. 1435 01:11:59,001 --> 01:12:02,302 You're just looking for a big blank check in a hurry. 1436 01:12:02,336 --> 01:12:05,804 It's all for the banks. You don't want a penny 1437 01:12:05,839 --> 01:12:08,273 for the average Joe that's about to lose his house? 1438 01:12:08,307 --> 01:12:10,375 There's not a scrap of oversight built into this-- 1439 01:12:10,409 --> 01:12:12,877 not for the banks or for you for that matter. 1440 01:12:12,911 --> 01:12:14,879 You want us to simply hand over 1441 01:12:14,913 --> 01:12:18,114 $700 billion and trust you? 1442 01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:20,917 How is it possible you didn't see this coming? 1443 01:12:20,951 --> 01:12:23,018 If you want to rewind the tape, we can do that. 1444 01:12:23,053 --> 01:12:26,354 But right now the one thing we don't have is time. 1445 01:12:26,389 --> 01:12:29,023 We need an announcement tonight to calm the market. 1446 01:12:29,058 --> 01:12:31,193 We need legislation next week. 1447 01:12:34,464 --> 01:12:39,301 I spent my entire academic career 1448 01:12:39,335 --> 01:12:42,504 studying the Great Depression. 1449 01:12:44,107 --> 01:12:46,308 The Depression may have started 1450 01:12:46,342 --> 01:12:48,677 because of a stock market crash, 1451 01:12:48,711 --> 01:12:51,948 but what hit the general economy 1452 01:12:51,982 --> 01:12:53,883 was a disruption of credit-- 1453 01:12:53,917 --> 01:12:55,952 average citizens unable to borrow money 1454 01:12:55,986 --> 01:12:58,187 to do anything-- to buy a home, 1455 01:12:58,221 --> 01:13:02,457 start a business, stock their shelves. 1456 01:13:02,492 --> 01:13:06,060 Credit has the ability to build a modern economy, 1457 01:13:06,095 --> 01:13:08,430 but lack of credit has the power to destroy it, 1458 01:13:08,464 --> 01:13:10,899 swiftly and absolutely. 1459 01:13:12,735 --> 01:13:15,638 If we do not act boldly and immediately, 1460 01:13:15,673 --> 01:13:18,775 we will replay the Depression of the 1930s, 1461 01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:22,247 only this time it will be 1462 01:13:22,281 --> 01:13:25,084 far far worse. 1463 01:13:26,186 --> 01:13:28,154 We don't do this now-- 1464 01:13:28,189 --> 01:13:31,759 we won't have an economy on Monday. 1465 01:13:39,805 --> 01:13:41,506 Geithner. 1466 01:13:46,281 --> 01:13:48,183 We took the proposal down to Congress. 1467 01:13:48,217 --> 01:13:49,417 Are they gonna go for it? 1468 01:13:49,452 --> 01:13:51,219 They didn't like the fact that it was short. 1469 01:13:51,254 --> 01:13:53,955 I thought concise was a plus. They thought it was flimsy 1470 01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:56,424 or arrogant or something. 1471 01:13:56,459 --> 01:13:59,361 I don't know what they think. They couldn't get past it. 1472 01:13:59,395 --> 01:14:01,797 The market's in a death spiral. They're gonna sink the bill 1473 01:14:01,831 --> 01:14:03,598 because the proposal is too fucking short? 1474 01:14:03,633 --> 01:14:07,168 They're working on it. They're gonna make it longer, 1475 01:14:07,202 --> 01:14:09,370 among other things. 1476 01:14:09,404 --> 01:14:11,739 Look, 1477 01:14:11,774 --> 01:14:13,708 just tell me you got something. 1478 01:14:16,212 --> 01:14:19,582 No. No, we're nowhere. 1479 01:14:19,616 --> 01:14:21,183 Who's left for Morgan Stanley? 1480 01:14:21,217 --> 01:14:25,220 China Investment Corporation. 1481 01:14:26,389 --> 01:14:28,656 Mae Mitsubishi. 1482 01:14:28,690 --> 01:14:31,293 No, the Japanese will never do this deal. 1483 01:14:31,327 --> 01:14:32,895 How about Goldman? 1484 01:14:32,929 --> 01:14:35,798 Goldman's looking at Wachovia, but they're so fucked, 1485 01:14:35,832 --> 01:14:37,833 even John Mack turned up his nose. 1486 01:14:40,604 --> 01:14:42,605 You gotta get that bill passed. 1487 01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:43,873 I'm pushing. 1488 01:14:43,908 --> 01:14:45,876 Well, push harder, 1489 01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:48,412 please. 1490 01:14:49,748 --> 01:14:53,050 This isn't working, Hank. 1491 01:15:06,798 --> 01:15:08,967 Hank? 1492 01:15:09,001 --> 01:15:11,303 Could you excuse me a moment? 1493 01:15:32,562 --> 01:15:34,597 Oh my God. 1494 01:15:34,632 --> 01:15:37,368 GAO, GAO, 1495 01:15:37,402 --> 01:15:40,705 I am so sorry about this. There's nothing we can do. 1496 01:15:40,739 --> 01:15:42,707 It's New York, you know. We're lucky 1497 01:15:42,741 --> 01:15:45,010 we can still buy a beer at Yankee Stadium. 1498 01:15:45,044 --> 01:15:47,780 Don't worry about it. I should quit anyway. 1499 01:15:47,814 --> 01:15:50,217 When you're ready, we'll be inside. 1500 01:15:53,856 --> 01:15:55,623 Is there any movement there? 1501 01:15:55,657 --> 01:15:57,860 They made an extremely low opening offer. 1502 01:15:57,894 --> 01:16:00,196 I pretended I didn't hear it. 1503 01:16:00,231 --> 01:16:02,232 The markets can't open Monday 1504 01:16:02,267 --> 01:16:04,669 without a resolution on Morgan Stanley. 1505 01:16:04,703 --> 01:16:07,171 We really need you to do a deal. 1506 01:16:07,206 --> 01:16:09,539 - You need to call Jamie. - I called Jamie. 1507 01:16:09,574 --> 01:16:11,774 He doesn't want us. There's too much overlap. 1508 01:16:11,808 --> 01:16:13,175 We've spoken to him. He'll do it. 1509 01:16:13,209 --> 01:16:15,877 For what, a dollar? Why would I do that? 1510 01:16:15,912 --> 01:16:17,546 I got China Investment 1511 01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:19,314 and Mitsubishi kicking my tires. 1512 01:16:19,349 --> 01:16:22,885 I know those guys. They're not gonna close a deal in time. 1513 01:16:22,919 --> 01:16:26,088 We want you to call Jamie. 1514 01:16:26,122 --> 01:16:27,923 Let me ask you a question. 1515 01:16:27,957 --> 01:16:30,926 35,000 jobs just disappeared in this city 1516 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,128 between A.I.G., Lehman and Bear. 1517 01:16:33,162 --> 01:16:34,630 We make a deal with Jamie-- 1518 01:16:34,664 --> 01:16:37,699 he'll fire 20,000 Morgan Stanley employees. 1519 01:16:37,734 --> 01:16:39,868 You think that's good public policy? 1520 01:16:39,902 --> 01:16:43,338 John, we are looking at the whole system here. 1521 01:16:43,372 --> 01:16:45,323 The Chinese are leaving. 1522 01:16:45,348 --> 01:16:46,908 GAO found out we're also talking to Mitsubishi. 1523 01:16:46,909 --> 01:16:48,643 I gotta go. 1524 01:16:48,678 --> 01:16:52,214 All right, get me Kuroyanagi and a Japanese translator. 1525 01:16:52,248 --> 01:16:54,249 We're closing with Mitsubishi tonight. 1526 01:16:54,284 --> 01:16:56,885 Tim Geithner's calling again. 1527 01:16:56,919 --> 01:16:58,422 Cover your ears. 1528 01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:00,147 You tell Tim Geithner to fucking blow me. 1529 01:17:00,156 --> 01:17:02,323 I'm trying to save my company. 1530 01:17:04,826 --> 01:17:07,729 Put him on the schedule, but make sure it's after lunch, 1531 01:17:07,763 --> 01:17:10,832 because that way I can fit Maddle in beforehand. 1532 01:17:10,867 --> 01:17:13,836 Morgan just made a deal with Mitsubishi. 1533 01:17:13,871 --> 01:17:15,839 So we're the only bank 1534 01:17:15,873 --> 01:17:18,175 with our dick still in the wind. 1535 01:17:18,209 --> 01:17:21,412 I'm calling Buffett again. 1536 01:17:26,085 --> 01:17:28,453 Grandpa, they keep calling. What if it's important? 1537 01:17:28,488 --> 01:17:30,923 They always think it's important. 1538 01:17:33,227 --> 01:17:36,763 All right, I'll make it fast. 1539 01:17:38,166 --> 01:17:40,167 Warren, thanks for calling back. How are you? 1540 01:17:40,202 --> 01:17:42,202 Just fine, Lloyd. 1541 01:17:42,237 --> 01:17:43,902 What can I do for you today? 1542 01:17:43,936 --> 01:17:46,602 I'd like to talk to you about taking a stake in Goldman Sachs. 1543 01:17:46,636 --> 01:17:49,269 What do you have in mind? Sounds expensive. 1544 01:17:49,304 --> 01:17:51,471 Maybe not. 1545 01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:55,773 You'd better have good news, 1546 01:17:55,808 --> 01:17:58,073 because I might be dead before we finish 1547 01:17:58,108 --> 01:18:00,274 haggling over TARP. 1548 01:18:00,309 --> 01:18:03,244 Buffett's throwing $5 billion into Goldman. 1549 01:18:06,281 --> 01:18:08,816 We're off the ledge. 1550 01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:10,885 For a moment. 1551 01:18:10,919 --> 01:18:13,520 The October surprise arrived a little early 1552 01:18:13,555 --> 01:18:16,290 with a game-changing jolt to the White House race. 1553 01:18:16,325 --> 01:18:18,259 Call it a master stroke 1554 01:18:18,293 --> 01:18:20,294 or a desperate Hail-Mary pass-- 1555 01:18:20,329 --> 01:18:23,565 McCain announced he would suspend his campaign 1556 01:18:23,599 --> 01:18:26,702 and asked for this Friday's debate to be postponed 1557 01:18:26,736 --> 01:18:29,972 So he can return to Washington to focus on the economic crisis. 1558 01:18:30,007 --> 01:18:33,142 Now is our chance to come together, 1559 01:18:33,177 --> 01:18:35,879 to prove that Washington is once again 1560 01:18:35,913 --> 01:18:39,082 capable of leading this country. 1561 01:18:39,116 --> 01:18:41,984 Thank God he came back. 1562 01:18:42,019 --> 01:18:46,188 Like Daniel Day Lewis in "Last of the Mohicans," 1563 01:18:46,222 --> 01:18:48,857 he will find us! 1564 01:18:50,493 --> 01:18:52,727 - They're blowing it up. - What happened? 1565 01:18:52,761 --> 01:18:54,462 McCain wanted to swoop in and save the day, 1566 01:18:54,496 --> 01:18:56,097 but doesn't have any idea how to do it. 1567 01:18:56,131 --> 01:18:58,032 It's 100-page piece of legislation 1568 01:18:58,066 --> 01:19:00,100 we've been carefully negotiating for days. 1569 01:19:00,135 --> 01:19:02,303 What, did he think they were gonna sit around and spitball? 1570 01:19:02,337 --> 01:19:04,271 Yeah, when McCain got here 1571 01:19:04,306 --> 01:19:07,574 and found out that the deal was basically done, he went apeshit. 1572 01:19:07,609 --> 01:19:09,476 The Republicans fell in behind their guy. 1573 01:19:09,511 --> 01:19:11,211 They want to start all over again. 1574 01:19:11,246 --> 01:19:13,480 Democrats flipped out. Republicans dug in. 1575 01:19:13,515 --> 01:19:15,916 Clusterfuck. 1576 01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:19,253 - Where's Hank? - Still talking to McCain. 1577 01:19:19,287 --> 01:19:21,688 If you or anyone else does anything 1578 01:19:21,723 --> 01:19:25,225 that causes a depression, it is not gonna be on me. 1579 01:19:25,260 --> 01:19:27,862 I have a big mouth, Senator-- 1580 01:19:27,887 --> 01:19:29,062 - a very big mouth. - Hold on... 1581 01:19:29,063 --> 01:19:31,498 He's not threatening 1582 01:19:31,532 --> 01:19:33,966 the Republican Presidential Nominee, is he? 1583 01:19:34,001 --> 01:19:36,468 - Something's got to be done. - No no. Excuse me, please. 1584 01:19:36,503 --> 01:19:38,470 Where are the Democrats? 1585 01:19:38,505 --> 01:19:40,306 They're right down this way. 1586 01:19:40,340 --> 01:19:41,874 - Is Nancy there? - Yes. Yes, she is. 1587 01:19:41,908 --> 01:19:43,209 Thank you. 1588 01:19:50,917 --> 01:19:52,851 Nancy... 1589 01:19:56,521 --> 01:19:58,789 Gee, Hank. 1590 01:19:58,824 --> 01:20:00,724 I didn't know you were Catholic. 1591 01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:04,461 I beg of you, don't blow this up. It was a bad meeting, 1592 01:20:04,495 --> 01:20:06,529 but we need to get together on this. 1593 01:20:06,564 --> 01:20:08,532 We're not the ones trying to blow it up. 1594 01:20:08,566 --> 01:20:11,036 I just ask you to stay with us. 1595 01:20:13,139 --> 01:20:16,308 Please. 1596 01:20:16,342 --> 01:20:18,143 The House began debating the rescue bill 1597 01:20:18,177 --> 01:20:19,644 at 9:27 this morning. 1598 01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:22,447 At about 1:28 pm Congress did finally act. 1599 01:20:22,481 --> 01:20:24,783 - This is a squeaker of a vote. - We are down to it right now. 1600 01:20:24,817 --> 01:20:27,052 It looks like the Democrats delivered their caucus 1601 01:20:27,086 --> 01:20:29,254 and the Republicans so far have not. 1602 01:20:29,289 --> 01:20:31,490 What do you think they could do to change the bill 1603 01:20:31,524 --> 01:20:33,392 to get a few Republican votes over to the other side? 1604 01:20:33,426 --> 01:20:35,193 If they hang Wall Street CEOs, 1605 01:20:35,228 --> 01:20:36,628 I think that would get a few more votes. 1606 01:20:36,663 --> 01:20:38,430 You know, I'm not-- I'm not sure 1607 01:20:38,464 --> 01:20:40,332 what they could do exactly. 1608 01:20:40,366 --> 01:20:43,735 It is possible that the leadership of the Congress would conclude 1609 01:20:43,770 --> 01:20:46,738 that there's nothing that can get a majority of support 1610 01:20:46,773 --> 01:20:49,507 and see what Hank Paulson can do and the administration can do-- 1611 01:20:51,443 --> 01:20:53,477 Leaders are negotiating right now 1612 01:20:53,512 --> 01:20:55,713 who'll risk their seats. And that's what I'm hearing. 1613 01:20:55,747 --> 01:20:58,279 Pelosi wouldn't have brought the bill to the floor if she 1614 01:20:58,304 --> 01:20:59,481 didn't think it would pass. 1615 01:20:59,482 --> 01:21:01,017 I don't know the answer to that, Charlie. I can't answer. 1616 01:21:01,087 --> 01:21:03,055 I'm just reading an email that's coming to me. 1617 01:21:03,089 --> 01:21:04,492 I think the bottom line 1618 01:21:04,493 --> 01:21:05,600 is they gotta go back to the drawing board. 1619 01:21:05,625 --> 01:21:07,292 Do they have the time though to do that? 1620 01:21:07,326 --> 01:21:09,025 Look at the Dow Jones Industrial Average. 1621 01:21:09,059 --> 01:21:10,959 Well, you know, you're gonna get a-- 1622 01:21:10,994 --> 01:21:12,104 At this point we just 1623 01:21:12,129 --> 01:21:13,529 gotta hold on to the sides of the kayak 1624 01:21:13,530 --> 01:21:14,963 and ride through this because-- 1625 01:21:14,996 --> 01:21:16,930 They didn't pass it. 1626 01:21:16,964 --> 01:21:18,964 - They did not pass it. - It just wasn't enough. 1627 01:21:18,999 --> 01:21:23,167 They're gonna end up being nine votes short, Bill. 1628 01:21:23,202 --> 01:21:24,868 Say that again, Steve. 1629 01:21:24,903 --> 01:21:26,803 I think they're gonna end up being nine votes-- 1630 01:21:26,837 --> 01:21:29,071 if they get all six-- five of the remaining votes, 1631 01:21:29,105 --> 01:21:32,973 they'll be 10 votes short now-- if they get all five remaining. 1632 01:21:33,008 --> 01:21:34,708 The writing is on the wall there. 1633 01:21:34,742 --> 01:21:36,876 And we're here down on the floor. 1634 01:21:36,910 --> 01:21:39,244 Traders have been standing around. We're all here in knots. 1635 01:21:43,684 --> 01:21:47,156 The networks are waiting for you in the press room. 1636 01:21:47,190 --> 01:21:50,192 I can't even-- 1637 01:22:02,107 --> 01:22:04,108 We have to go back again. 1638 01:22:04,142 --> 01:22:06,611 They don't get to say no on this. 1639 01:22:07,512 --> 01:22:09,146 Okay. 1640 01:22:09,181 --> 01:22:10,314 The White House wants a meeting. 1641 01:22:10,349 --> 01:22:12,316 Good. We'll come up with a new strategy. 1642 01:22:12,351 --> 01:22:14,385 The White House has to push harder on the Hill. 1643 01:22:14,420 --> 01:22:17,255 Meanwhile we need to keep working on what we do with the money. 1644 01:22:17,289 --> 01:22:18,756 Let's act like this is gonna work. 1645 01:22:18,791 --> 01:22:20,591 In that case, let's talk about cash injections. 1646 01:22:20,625 --> 01:22:21,837 Here we go again. 1647 01:22:21,862 --> 01:22:23,193 We can't nationalize the banks. 1648 01:22:23,194 --> 01:22:24,266 It's not nationali-- 1649 01:22:24,291 --> 01:22:25,791 That's how Japan got itself a decade-long recession. 1650 01:22:25,862 --> 01:22:28,330 Is that where we want to go? 1651 01:22:28,364 --> 01:22:30,532 What else do we have? 1652 01:22:30,566 --> 01:22:32,100 Cash-for-trash. 1653 01:22:32,125 --> 01:22:34,025 Buying toxic assets is still our go-to move. 1654 01:22:34,803 --> 01:22:38,239 All right. Find a way to simplify it. 1655 01:22:38,273 --> 01:22:41,142 Dan, work something up. 1656 01:22:41,176 --> 01:22:44,279 For discussion purposes, let's see what it would look like. 1657 01:22:55,192 --> 01:22:57,961 For those who supported the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, 1658 01:22:57,995 --> 01:23:00,196 it was a surprising and stunning failure 1659 01:23:00,231 --> 01:23:02,532 when the House of Representatives voted to reject it. 1660 01:23:02,566 --> 01:23:05,001 It's a stinging defeat for President Bush 1661 01:23:05,035 --> 01:23:07,738 delivered at the hands of his fellow Republicans. 1662 01:23:07,772 --> 01:23:11,207 We put forth a plan that was big 1663 01:23:11,242 --> 01:23:12,976 because we've got a big problem. 1664 01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:16,913 The reality is that we're in an urgent situation. 1665 01:23:16,948 --> 01:23:20,183 and the consequences will grow worse each day 1666 01:23:20,218 --> 01:23:21,651 if we do not act. 1667 01:23:21,686 --> 01:23:23,153 I know. I keep telling-- 1668 01:23:23,187 --> 01:23:24,654 draft of the new bill. 1669 01:23:24,689 --> 01:23:26,289 Are they having any luck with it? 1670 01:23:26,324 --> 01:23:28,859 The White House thinks they got a better shot of pushing it 1671 01:23:28,894 --> 01:23:31,462 through the Senate side first. Hopefully they're right. 1672 01:23:31,497 --> 01:23:33,431 They asked us to back off and let them handle it. 1673 01:23:33,465 --> 01:23:36,368 So I'm-- I'm-- I'm trying to back off. 1674 01:23:41,407 --> 01:23:44,242 Buying toxic assets isn't gonna work. 1675 01:23:44,277 --> 01:23:45,843 Why not? 1676 01:23:45,878 --> 01:23:47,411 It's too slow. 1677 01:23:47,445 --> 01:23:48,879 I think I've been saying that. 1678 01:23:48,913 --> 01:23:50,880 Well, we knew it was complicated, but how slow--? 1679 01:23:50,914 --> 01:23:52,381 Two months, maybe more. 1680 01:23:52,416 --> 01:23:53,799 Oh. 1681 01:23:53,824 --> 01:23:55,124 How is it possible we didn't know how--? 1682 01:23:55,185 --> 01:23:59,421 I didn't ask how long it would take, okay? 1683 01:23:59,455 --> 01:24:01,789 Can we move on? 1684 01:24:01,824 --> 01:24:05,593 So maybe we can talk about capital injections. 1685 01:24:05,627 --> 01:24:07,495 Dan, we really can't. 1686 01:24:07,529 --> 01:24:09,664 I think we're gonna have to. 1687 01:24:09,698 --> 01:24:12,200 Even if neel could expedite the process, 1688 01:24:12,234 --> 01:24:15,770 which seems unlikely, 1689 01:24:15,804 --> 01:24:17,772 the system is crumbling. 1690 01:24:17,806 --> 01:24:20,508 The banks need money now. 1691 01:24:20,542 --> 01:24:24,045 If cash injections are the most efficient way to stabilize them, 1692 01:24:24,079 --> 01:24:27,214 then we can't back off 1693 01:24:27,248 --> 01:24:29,216 because we're uncomfortable being the men 1694 01:24:29,250 --> 01:24:31,552 who nationalized a few American banks. 1695 01:24:31,586 --> 01:24:33,220 It's faster, that's for sure. 1696 01:24:33,254 --> 01:24:35,322 It will push us back off the precipice, yes, 1697 01:24:35,356 --> 01:24:38,925 unfreeze the system. 1698 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,695 We give them some money 1699 01:24:41,729 --> 01:24:45,031 and they lend it out. 1700 01:24:48,903 --> 01:24:50,370 The motion is adopted. 1701 01:24:50,404 --> 01:24:52,739 After rejecting the Bush Administration's T.A.R.P. Plan 1702 01:24:52,773 --> 01:24:55,376 only four days ago, the House passed it today. 1703 01:24:55,410 --> 01:24:57,246 The big question now-- 1704 01:24:57,271 --> 01:24:59,071 whether investors will take comfort in the news. 1705 01:24:59,114 --> 01:25:01,081 Current indicators show the stock market 1706 01:25:01,116 --> 01:25:04,151 is continuing its freefall. 1707 01:25:22,505 --> 01:25:23,838 Hello. 1708 01:25:23,872 --> 01:25:26,174 Warren, it's Hank. 1709 01:25:26,208 --> 01:25:29,277 I-- I-- I'm sorry. It's late. 1710 01:25:29,311 --> 01:25:31,612 Am I waking you? 1711 01:25:31,647 --> 01:25:34,082 No, not at all. 1712 01:25:34,116 --> 01:25:36,250 Can I pick your brain for a minute? 1713 01:25:36,285 --> 01:25:39,053 Sure. What's the problem? 1714 01:25:39,087 --> 01:25:42,724 How do you get a healthy bank 1715 01:25:42,758 --> 01:25:45,626 to accept a capital injection? 1716 01:26:39,648 --> 01:26:42,116 I had to drag my ass all the way here from California. 1717 01:26:42,151 --> 01:26:44,052 They wouldn't even tell my why. 1718 01:26:44,086 --> 01:26:45,954 Nobody knows what this is about? 1719 01:26:45,988 --> 01:26:48,089 Nope. 1720 01:26:53,262 --> 01:26:54,929 Talk to Jamie? 1721 01:26:54,964 --> 01:26:57,199 Yep. He'll be fine. 1722 01:26:57,233 --> 01:26:59,068 Did you tell him what was coming? 1723 01:26:59,102 --> 01:27:01,203 Uh, did I tell him we're about to make him swallow 1724 01:27:01,238 --> 01:27:04,574 a capital injection he doesn't need? No. 1725 01:27:04,608 --> 01:27:07,277 I-- I told him we need his help 1726 01:27:07,311 --> 01:27:10,748 and I asked him very politely not to fuck with us today. 1727 01:27:12,117 --> 01:27:13,451 He got it. 1728 01:27:14,753 --> 01:27:16,821 She's here. 1729 01:27:21,795 --> 01:27:23,763 Gentlemen. 1730 01:27:23,797 --> 01:27:25,531 We think this is gonna work? 1731 01:27:25,566 --> 01:27:27,934 Oh yeah. They're gonna love it. 1732 01:27:50,060 --> 01:27:51,994 We are of the view 1733 01:27:52,029 --> 01:27:53,996 that the United States needs 1734 01:27:54,031 --> 01:27:56,699 to take strong, decisive action 1735 01:27:56,733 --> 01:27:59,868 to arrest the stress 1736 01:27:59,902 --> 01:28:03,404 in our financial system. 1737 01:28:03,438 --> 01:28:06,473 Through our new T.A.R.P. Authority, 1738 01:28:06,507 --> 01:28:09,442 Treasury will purchase 1739 01:28:09,476 --> 01:28:11,711 preferred stock 1740 01:28:11,745 --> 01:28:14,679 in each of the banks represented in this room. 1741 01:28:17,015 --> 01:28:19,449 That stock will yield 5% the first five years, 1742 01:28:19,484 --> 01:28:22,418 9% after that. 1743 01:28:22,452 --> 01:28:25,119 We give you money; You lend it out. 1744 01:28:25,154 --> 01:28:28,555 It will unfreeze credit, stabilize the banks, 1745 01:28:28,590 --> 01:28:30,457 restore confidence. 1746 01:28:30,492 --> 01:28:32,559 Everyone will be better off 1747 01:28:32,593 --> 01:28:34,593 with more capital in the system. 1748 01:28:34,628 --> 01:28:36,661 And that is why 1749 01:28:36,696 --> 01:28:40,531 all nine of you 1750 01:28:40,566 --> 01:28:43,434 will participate in the program. 1751 01:28:46,905 --> 01:28:48,673 Some of us don't need any capital. 1752 01:28:48,707 --> 01:28:51,176 You all need capital. 1753 01:28:51,210 --> 01:28:53,744 You have no idea what the market's gonna look like in a year. 1754 01:28:53,779 --> 01:28:55,846 Neither do you. 1755 01:28:55,881 --> 01:28:57,848 I'm not one of you New York guys 1756 01:28:57,882 --> 01:28:59,817 with your fancy products. 1757 01:28:59,851 --> 01:29:02,720 Well, why am I in this room talking about bailing you out? 1758 01:29:02,754 --> 01:29:06,323 The stronger banks will serve as cover for the weaker banks. 1759 01:29:06,357 --> 01:29:08,959 If just some of you take it, the money is a signal 1760 01:29:08,993 --> 01:29:12,062 that a bank is too weak to survive. The market will devour it. 1761 01:29:12,096 --> 01:29:14,798 How much are we talking about? 1762 01:29:14,832 --> 01:29:17,768 $125 billion. 1763 01:29:19,904 --> 01:29:21,872 Bank of America-- $15 billion. 1764 01:29:21,906 --> 01:29:24,207 Bank of New York Mellon-- $3 billion. 1765 01:29:24,242 --> 01:29:27,744 Citigroup-- $25 billion. 1766 01:29:27,778 --> 01:29:31,081 Goldman Sachs-- $10 billion. 1767 01:29:31,115 --> 01:29:34,417 J.P. Morgan-- $25 billion. 1768 01:29:34,452 --> 01:29:36,686 Merrill Lynch-- $10 billion. 1769 01:29:36,721 --> 01:29:39,222 Morgan Stanley-- $10 billion. 1770 01:29:39,256 --> 01:29:42,392 State Street-- $2 billion. 1771 01:29:42,426 --> 01:29:44,761 Wells Fargo-- $25 billion. 1772 01:29:50,634 --> 01:29:54,270 What happened to buying toxic assets? 1773 01:29:54,304 --> 01:29:55,872 Wasn't that the idea? 1774 01:29:55,906 --> 01:29:57,406 It's too slow. 1775 01:29:57,441 --> 01:29:59,508 You'll be dead before we sort it out. 1776 01:29:59,543 --> 01:30:02,945 So we're just handing the reins over to you? 1777 01:30:02,979 --> 01:30:04,613 The deal's actually pretty good. 1778 01:30:04,647 --> 01:30:07,282 You turn your nose up at this now, and we have to rescue you later-- 1779 01:30:07,317 --> 01:30:09,084 the terms won't be nearly as attractive. 1780 01:30:09,118 --> 01:30:11,753 It's cheap capital. It's not the worst idea in the world. 1781 01:30:11,788 --> 01:30:13,722 Well, it is for those of us who already have capital. 1782 01:30:13,756 --> 01:30:15,857 We will be nonvoting shareholders. 1783 01:30:15,892 --> 01:30:18,393 This will be a temporary measure. 1784 01:30:20,830 --> 01:30:22,964 What if we decline to be involved? 1785 01:30:22,998 --> 01:30:26,534 The Chairman of the FDIC is sitting right there. 1786 01:30:26,569 --> 01:30:28,236 Tomorrow you'll find out 1787 01:30:28,270 --> 01:30:30,638 that you're not as well-capitalized as you think you are. 1788 01:30:30,673 --> 01:30:32,640 What kind of protections can you offer on changes 1789 01:30:32,675 --> 01:30:34,275 for compensation policy? 1790 01:30:34,309 --> 01:30:37,145 I mean, if the government is going to become a part-owner, 1791 01:30:37,179 --> 01:30:39,147 does that mean that the government 1792 01:30:39,181 --> 01:30:41,716 is going to dictate compensation? 1793 01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:43,951 Are you asking me about your bonus right now, John? 1794 01:30:43,986 --> 01:30:46,320 I'm running a company. 1795 01:30:46,355 --> 01:30:48,322 If the Fed tells me I can't offer 1796 01:30:48,357 --> 01:30:50,625 competitive pay for talent, 1797 01:30:50,659 --> 01:30:53,827 you're gonna launch the biggest brain drain this country's ever seen. 1798 01:30:53,862 --> 01:30:55,695 Is that the way you want to run the banks? 1799 01:30:55,730 --> 01:30:57,730 Until the money is repaid to the Treasury, 1800 01:30:57,765 --> 01:31:01,200 there will be some limitations on tax deductions and golden parachutes. 1801 01:31:01,234 --> 01:31:03,268 - Well, there you go. - I don't really understand 1802 01:31:03,302 --> 01:31:05,903 why there needs to be so much tension about this. 1803 01:31:05,937 --> 01:31:07,871 The country is facing 1804 01:31:07,906 --> 01:31:10,407 the worst economy since the Great Depression. 1805 01:31:10,441 --> 01:31:12,909 If the financial system collapses, 1806 01:31:12,943 --> 01:31:15,845 it will take every one of you down. 1807 01:31:24,052 --> 01:31:26,253 Give me the papers. 1808 01:31:33,626 --> 01:31:35,260 - You can't just sign it. - Oh no? 1809 01:31:35,294 --> 01:31:38,929 - Not without your board. - My board's on 24-hour notice. 1810 01:31:38,963 --> 01:31:41,197 I think they'll go along with it. 1811 01:31:41,232 --> 01:31:45,834 And if they don't, they'll fire me. 1812 01:31:51,276 --> 01:31:54,044 Anyone else? 1813 01:31:59,119 --> 01:32:01,387 Are they gonna do it? 1814 01:32:02,656 --> 01:32:04,290 They're calling their boards. 1815 01:32:04,325 --> 01:32:06,793 - That's a good sign. - If they do go along with this, 1816 01:32:06,828 --> 01:32:09,496 we should announce something alongside the injections-- 1817 01:32:09,531 --> 01:32:12,567 maybe a program to buy up mortgages. 1818 01:32:12,601 --> 01:32:14,302 I'm not rushing out some half-assed plan 1819 01:32:14,337 --> 01:32:16,105 just to make it look like we're doing something. 1820 01:32:16,139 --> 01:32:18,541 Maybe we just beef up the restrictions 1821 01:32:18,576 --> 01:32:21,312 on how they spend the money-- 1822 01:32:21,346 --> 01:32:23,148 something to take the stink off. 1823 01:32:23,182 --> 01:32:25,851 Put more restrictions on it-- they won't take it. 1824 01:32:30,457 --> 01:32:32,793 One thing too many for today. 1825 01:32:34,964 --> 01:32:36,898 They almost bring down 1826 01:32:36,933 --> 01:32:38,734 the U.S. economy as we know it, 1827 01:32:38,768 --> 01:32:41,236 but we can't put restrictions on how they spend 1828 01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:44,473 the $125 billion we're giving them, 1829 01:32:44,507 --> 01:32:48,710 because they might not take it. 1830 01:33:20,242 --> 01:33:22,476 What's this? 1831 01:33:22,510 --> 01:33:26,313 That is, um... 1832 01:33:26,347 --> 01:33:28,849 A poison dart frog. 1833 01:33:28,883 --> 01:33:32,219 Wendy took it in Guyana. 1834 01:33:44,632 --> 01:33:47,234 Is this yours? 1835 01:33:51,973 --> 01:33:54,307 Al Capone's. 1836 01:33:56,410 --> 01:33:57,911 Eight out of the nine are in. 1837 01:33:57,945 --> 01:33:59,946 B of A is still waiting on its board, but-- 1838 01:33:59,981 --> 01:34:02,482 it's gonna go through. 1839 01:34:02,517 --> 01:34:05,118 I'll call the Speaker's office. 1840 01:34:05,152 --> 01:34:08,154 And we're gonna get you on the phone with the President. 1841 01:34:08,189 --> 01:34:10,991 Okay. 1842 01:34:13,928 --> 01:34:16,729 Dow is up 900 points 1843 01:34:16,764 --> 01:34:19,132 just because we were meeting. 1844 01:34:21,435 --> 01:34:25,439 Well, that's good. 1845 01:34:25,473 --> 01:34:28,008 That's good. 1846 01:34:28,042 --> 01:34:30,743 It was the right thing. 1847 01:34:30,777 --> 01:34:33,680 Absolutely. 1848 01:34:33,714 --> 01:34:35,648 I was prepared for more blowback. 1849 01:34:35,683 --> 01:34:38,751 They didn't have a choice. 1850 01:34:38,786 --> 01:34:41,154 They knew that. 1851 01:34:42,623 --> 01:34:47,360 Well, I certainly hope that they-- 1852 01:34:47,395 --> 01:34:48,662 What? 1853 01:34:50,531 --> 01:34:54,734 I hope they use the money the way we're asking them to. 1854 01:34:54,769 --> 01:34:59,706 They will lend it out, won't they? 1855 01:35:00,941 --> 01:35:03,643 Of course they will. 1856 01:35:15,122 --> 01:35:17,623 Of course they will. 1857 01:36:13,236 --> 01:36:17,236 == sync, corrected by elderman == 143957

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