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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:02,495 'In the next 6O seconds, 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,415 'more than £2,000 will have been taken from us by scammers. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,375 'By the end of today, we'll have lost more than £3 million.' 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,375 Scams and fraud are not just the most commonly reported crimes 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,295 but also they're an industry worth billions of pounds. 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,375 Now, in the UK we've become such popular targets 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:28,215 that we've become known as the fraud capital of the world. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,255 'But together, you and I can change all that. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,615 'I'm Alexis Conran. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,015 'Come with me and my team as we dive into the world of scams.' 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,935 We've turned this old furniture factory into our little mini HQ. 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,575 'From here, we'll investigate the latest threats from the inside 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,735 'and show you how they work.' 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,655 Have a quick look underneath there. 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,895 That's your password? That's my password! 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,975 'Then we'll teach you how to spot those red flags.' 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,415 Never exclusively rely on your transaction 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,295 being over messaging apps, texts or emails. 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,655 'I'm also going to be on the road 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,495 'to meet ordinary people who've been hit by scams, small...' 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,495 They messaged me saying, "We need another £700." 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,055 '..and large.' 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,095 How much did you send? 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,535 £120,000. 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,975 Scams are ever evolving, 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,615 but there are always easy ways 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,295 to make sure your money stays safe and you don't get caught out. 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,575 'This time, we look at the banking app 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,215 'that was infiltrated by criminals...' 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,135 The caller knew exactly everything. 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,095 He knew my first name, my second name, my surname. 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,575 '..the delivery scam 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,215 'where your house is put under surveillance...' 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,055 He's loitering outside, 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,655 has been, apparently, for a while, waiting untill emerge. 36 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,615 '..and the woman tricked out of the entire sale 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,695 'of her new Spanish home.' 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,775 The email address was our solicitors' email address 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,215 but we weren't actually speaking to the solicitors, 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,095 we were speaking to somebody else. 41 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,335 Welcome to our mini HQ for the series. 42 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,735 As you can see, everyone is working hard, 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,575 looking for those new scams, 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,535 and, in fact, most of the stories you're going to see in this series 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,455 have come from you. 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,695 You've been getting in touch with us in droves 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,175 on our email address and our WhatsApp number, 48 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,335 and at the end of the show, 49 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,295 we will let you know how you can get in touch with us 50 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,535 to share your stories. 51 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,975 'And from your emails so far, 52 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,855 'we're seeing how scams are getting more creative.' 53 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,575 And imagine this, imagine if you get caught in a scam 54 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,255 that is so convincing 55 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,775 that even your own bank don't believe it's a scam. 56 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,135 'It sounds pretty terrifying, 57 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,655 'but with 93% of people in Britain using online banking, 58 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,055 'it is easy to see how scammers are trying to take advantage, 59 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,775 'as 24-year-old Daria was to find out.' 60 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,295 'Daria from Glasgow was in her final year 61 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,375 'studying games design at university. 62 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,175 'Very much a grafter, she had worked hard throughout her studies, 63 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,575 'ready for when she graduated.' 64 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,855 I started working when I was around 16 in my first job, 65 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,455 I did private maths lessons for kids when I was in high school, 66 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,255 I work in McDonald's, 67 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,495 I work in a call centre and stuff like that, I was a hostess. 68 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,855 Ancl I always had some savings cos it's just felt better. 69 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,575 'Daria had a savings account with an online bank 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,095 'which allowed her to add funds whether she was in the UK 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,935 'or from her native homeland of Poland.' 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,735 Throughout the three years of uni, 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,295 I managed to save just a little bit over £9,000. 74 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,855 'But all that was to change, 75 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,935 'as the money that Daria had worked so hard for 76 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,615 'was about to come under attack.' 77 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,895 I received a phone call from someone claiming that they are from my bank. 78 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,615 Ancl they told me that there had been suspicious activity on my account 79 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,855 and they froze my account so I cannot use it any more. 80 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,295 I was a little bit suspicious at the beginning, 81 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,095 but the caller knew exactly everything - 82 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,055 he knew my first name, my second name, my surname. 83 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,935 'This is the beginning of a very clever scam. 84 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,975 'They research their target to convince them they're official.' 85 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,535 He was just so... Everything was so convincing that I just trusted him. 86 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,935 He said that now I will receive a code to unblock my account again. 87 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,655 'Daria was expecting to receive a code on her phone, 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,575 'and this code would enable her to unlock her account 89 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,375 'so she could use it again. 90 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,895 'But the code never arrived. 91 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,335 'Unbeknownst to her, the failure to receive the message 92 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,895 'was the beginning of an incredibly clever scam.' 93 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,255 So he told me to update my phone number. 94 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:05,535 I did that and I received a message, and I just put it in the app. 95 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,175 'Daria entered the code she was sent into her banking app on her phone. 96 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,775 'Convinced it was now unlocked and free to use, 97 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,295 'Daria thought nothing more of the call. 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,095 'But within a few hours, 99 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,095 'she received a shocking notification.' 100 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,015 I was actually in my kitchen, 101 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,335 cooking the dinner for me and my partner, 102 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,535 and I got a notification on my phone 103 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:32,095 that someone just spent £9,330 in Self ridges in London. 104 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,295 'Daria had been duped. 105 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,055 'The code she had been sent wasn't to unlock her account at all, 106 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,255 'it was actually used by the scammer 107 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:43,415 'to set up her debit card on THEIR phone, 108 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,855 'and Daria had unwittingly given them access.' 109 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,695 I went to the app, I logged in, my account was clean, 110 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,175 there was practically no money left. 111 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,455 'The scam worked by connecting Daria's debit card 112 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,775 'to a different mobile phone, 113 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,495 'meaning it could be used for payments by a complete stranger. 114 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,135 'And worst yet, Daria had authorised it for them 115 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,735 'by using the code in the text. 116 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:15,135 'In one 30-minute phone call, Daria had lost nearly £10,000.' 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,295 It was all my hard work, like, 118 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,295 I spent so many hours, 119 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,975 I scrubbed the floor in the restaurant for that, 120 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,935 I deal with the customers, I... 121 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,615 It was just awful that someone just took it... 122 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,895 ...and just decided to tap the card and spend all of that. 123 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,175 I think the worst part of it was, like, 124 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,215 how I was blaming myself for that. 125 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,255 Like, that shame at the beginning 126 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:47,055 was the worst feeling that I had ever in my life experienced. 127 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,095 I called my parents and it was just, like, 128 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,975 their disappointment a bit. 129 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,615 I felt really ashamed. 130 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:02,175 'Clearly, in this incident, what helped the scammers 131 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,615 'was knowing enough information on Daria herself 132 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,495 'prior to the call being made. 133 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,815 'And here lies the problem.' 134 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,295 Most scams rely on information. 135 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,695 And the more personalised that information is, 136 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,215 the better it is for the scammers. 137 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,175 But how DO they get their hands on your data? 138 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,575 'Well, we wanted to find out, 139 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,335 'not only how criminals get their hands on it, 140 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,575 'but also what is freely being put out there by ourselves 141 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,335 'that could be used against us? 142 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:37,775 'So we have a perfectly innocuous city cafe as our setting 143 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,215 'and a van full of some of the smartest security experts 144 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,575 'in their field, 145 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,215 'led by ethical hacker Ken Munro.' 146 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,335 Now all I need are some unsuspecting volunteers. 147 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,575 ‘I am pretending to be Mystic Con ran, 148 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,655 'the world-famous psychic, 149 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,135 'and I am going to show off my special powers 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,895 'of knowing everything about complete strangers.' 151 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,455 Right, and then I just need your signature. 152 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,655 'Before taking part in a filmed psychic reading, 153 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,935 'our researcher has asked these people 154 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,495 'for three basic pieces of information 155 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,175 'which will be the premise of our experiment. 156 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,015 'The sort of details we hand out every day.' 157 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,655 Thanks for helping. 158 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:25,855 What's your name? Andrew. 159 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,575 Where do you live? Manchester. 160 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,695 'Unbeknown to them, Ken and his team are listening in right behind us, 161 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,415 'feeding me information into my secret earpiece. 162 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,615 'Everything they discover about these people 163 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,255 'will be from three nuggets of information they gave us, 164 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,615 'nothing more. 165 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,895 'But, of course, they don't know that.' 166 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,655 IN EARPIECE: He is a telecommunications engineer. 167 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,815 I've noticed the phones, is that...? Is that what you do? 168 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,135 Do you work as a telecoms engineer, perhaps? 169 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,135 Yeah. 170 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,815 'Freaky. right? 171 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,255 'Other information, including passwords and even bank details 172 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,975 'could be readily available on the dark web 173 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,055 'following any data breaches from sites they may use.' 174 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,815 She is a student at the University of Huddersfield. 175 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,815 Are you in Huddersfield University? 176 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,055 Are you in Huddersfield University? How did you know? 177 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,895 'It's time to show off my special powers.' 178 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,815 Now, where did you go to school? Was it... 179 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,575 IN EARPIECE: Went to Pine Manor College. 180 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,335 ...Pine Manor College? 181 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:27,615 Yeah. Yeah? 182 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,935 Is this freaking you out a bit? Yes! 183 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,375 OK. Cos... And... Yeah? 184 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,855 ...that's not even on my Linkedln. 185 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,695 Did you ever used to work for a... 186 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,055 IN EARPIECE: Worked for a company called MJ Quinn. 187 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,015 ...a company called Mj Quinn or something? 188 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,175 HE LAUGHS 189 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,935 Eh? 190 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,455 Are you from Oran in Algeria? 191 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,255 Studied at the Universite d'Oran Es Senia. 192 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,455 I'm not really from Oran, but close to it. 193 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,415 But you went to the university there? 194 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,615 Oran. Es Senia University? Oh, my God! 195 00:09:58,640 --> 00:09:59,855 SHE GASPS 196 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,615 Did you run the marathon? 197 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,495 Mm. Yeah. 198 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,055 In Auckland? Yeah, that's right. 199 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,975 IN EARPIECE: He said thanks to a paramedic 200 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,415 for bringing him back to life with a banana. 201 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,495 You needed a little bit of help from a paramedic and a banana? 202 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,495 So you just stalked my Instagram, that's how you found out! 203 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,175 THEY LAUGH 204 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,935 'Now, a lot of what Ken and his team have found may be fairly frivolous, 205 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,255 'but remember, most scams involve creating a profile around you. 206 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,455 'And everything they've discovered 207 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,975 'has come from these basic contact details. 208 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,135 'But it's time to step it up a bit.' 209 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,055 IN EARPIECE: OK, we have a password. 210 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,015 'The team have found a password readily available online 211 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,375 'following a data breach with a popular social media platform.' 212 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,335 I do have one thing that I want to show you, 213 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,055 and I'm not going to say this out loud. You'll see why. 214 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,935 OK. But I want you to just have a quick look. 215 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,055 just have a quick look underneath there. 216 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,615 SHE LAUGHS 217 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,855 How the... How did you get that? That's... 218 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,175 Don't show anyone that. No. That's your password? 219 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,535 That's my password! 220 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,335 That's been quite easy to find out. Yeah. 221 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,415 Where's your guy? I'll tell you what's going on. 222 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,055 So, the moment you gave your name and email address, 223 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,695 those three guys behind that window on laptops... 224 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,975 Oh, no way. You buggers! 225 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,135 They look like they're from Australia or something. You buggers! 226 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,975 Yeah, you guys, I knew you were there. 227 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,495 Sorry that I surprised you. No problem at all! 228 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,015 But you were great. I was gonna ask you about my future! 229 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,535 THEY LAUGH 230 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,495 The information that you guys were finding off the internet, 231 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,975 is that information that's available to anybody? 232 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,135 Yep. So, pretty much everything you saw there 233 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,615 is completely free access. 234 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,775 There are a few tools you pay a few pounds for, 235 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,415 but everything is easily accessible. 236 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,255 What does that tell you - because this is your business - 237 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,335 about the amount of information that you can find out 238 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,455 about any random person we can pick in the street here? 239 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,695 What it tells me is people aren't thinking about their own privacy. 240 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,135 Privacy is everything, it's what leads to fraud. 241 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,135 If your privacy's invaded, they've got access, potentially, 242 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,815 to your bank accounts. 243 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,255 So think of privacy in terms of money. OK. 244 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,935 'Coming up, we meet the lady who ended up 245 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,775 'being put under surveillance by scammers.' 246 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,495 He had been out there for about 10 or 15 minutes 247 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,135 whilst the phone call was going on with the scammer inside. 248 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,255 'Before the break, here's a little quiz for you. 249 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,495 'According to the UK's National Cyber Security Centre, 250 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,775 'in 2019, which of these was the most overused password? 251 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,855 'Was it...' 252 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,095 'Yes, really, one of those is correct. 253 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,415 'Find out which one after the break.' 254 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,255 'Before the breakl asked...' 255 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:27,175 'And it was actually C - 123456, appearing 23 million times. 256 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,895 'Now, if any of those were your passwords, 257 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,175 'please change them, I beg you. 258 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,775 'Because as we saw earlier, 259 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,175 'it was very easy to find out quite a lot from very little. 260 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,895 'Email and password details being hacked from popular websites 261 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,055 'dominate the news on an almost monthly basis. 262 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,375 'This is known as a data breach, after which, 263 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,135 'lists of private details are readily available online. 264 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,495 'But how do you know if your password has been caught up 265 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,135 'in this type of hack?' 266 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,815 Sometimes, through no fault of your own, 267 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,015 your password may have been leaked 268 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,495 or exposed by hackers on the World Wide Web. 269 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,775 Now, there is an easy way to find out 270 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,295 if your password has been leaked. 271 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,935 You go to a website like this one - Have|BeenPwned.com 272 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,015 P-W-N-E-D. 273 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,775 Now, we have an email that we can try, it's one of the team, 274 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,375 they don't use it any more. 275 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,855 So I'm going to paste it in here, and I'm going to ask this website... 276 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,815 "Oh, no - pwned!" it says. 277 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:42,255 There's nine places on the internet where this has been breached. 278 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,015 That means that the password is available to hackers. 279 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,975 The password that's associated with that email address. 280 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,495 It's really easy, it takes less than a second, it costs nothing. 281 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,295 Stick your email address in there. 282 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,895 If your password appears to have been pwned, 283 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,335 change it and change it immediately. 284 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,135 'Now, it's clear in the UK we do love to do a bit of online shopping. 285 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,055 'In fact, in 2022, four in five sales were done digitally. 286 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,935 'Understandably, that means big business for scammers. 287 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,695 'Bud from South London was unwittingly about to fall for 288 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,415 'a fairly new yet deceptive scam 289 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,255 'that uses the power of information and our trust in deliveries.' 290 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,895 'Bud's scam began one day when a courier arrived at her door.' 291 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:36,975 DOORBELL RINGS 292 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,695 'Not entirely unusual, you may think, 293 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,175 'but she was not expecting a parcel at all.' 294 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,255 I'd been playing a tennis match and I had got back here, 295 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,135 and I was just having a bit of a lie down and my door bell went. 296 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,295 Ancl someone said, "Delivery for you." 297 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,455 So I went down and I opened the door 298 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,535 and a very nice-looking delivery guy handed me a small parcel, 299 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:07,055 and inside, I found a brand-new iPhone Pro Max. 300 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,895 Ancl I thought, "Wow, who's sent this to me?" 301 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,735 'Good question, Bud. 302 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,295 'At current prices, that model of phone is selling at around £900. 303 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,975 'That's a very generous gift indeed.' 304 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,815 So I was curious and was just sitting there looking at it 305 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,975 when my landline went. 306 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,855 PHONE RINGS 307 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,815 First of all, I didn't answer because it said "caller withheld". 308 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,135 It rang again, I ignored it. 309 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,215 It rang again, 310 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,735 I think they listened to the message on my answerphone 311 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,335 which gave my mobile phone number. 312 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,655 My mobile phone rang, no caller ID. 313 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,815 When Bud finally answered, to her surprise, 314 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,815 it was a man claiming to be from the courier company 315 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,215 checking in about the phone that was just delivered. 316 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,055 Very apologetic, saying he was from the courier company, 317 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,095 and that there had been a systems error, effectively, 318 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,575 and what they needed to do was come and retrieve the package 319 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:04,655 and get it to the person 320 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,975 to whom it should have been sent in the first place. 321 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,655 So I asked how he had got my number, 322 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,735 and he said, "From the BT electoral roll," 323 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,135 and carried on talking. 324 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,135 'It's a typical scammer's trick - 325 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,935 'the caller was trying to gain Bud's trust 326 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,215 'using information that was fairly readily available online 327 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,895 'or in the phone book.' 328 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,295 And he said, "Don't worry, I'll sort it out, 329 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,495 "I'll get someone to come and collect it from you." 330 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,895 'And within ten minutes a new courier was back. 331 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,895 'The whole exchange was captured on Bud's neighbour's doorbell camera.' 332 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,495 I got a phone call again saying, 333 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,615 "I've arranged for someone and they're right outside now." 334 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,415 So I said, "Oh, OK," 335 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,015 and I went downstairs, and I went outside, 336 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,495 and there was a guy standing there in an orange hi-vis jacket 337 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,975 with a car that looked a bit like a taxi 338 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,495 and he said something like, "|'m here to pick it up." 339 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,215 'Bud handed over the package, 340 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,895 'but the next day, she felt something wasn't right. 341 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,375 'When she checked her neighbour's doorbell footage, 342 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,655 'it made for some chilling viewing, 343 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,055 'as it showed the man in the taxi 344 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,815 'had been outside the whole time, waiting.' 345 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:27,455 So, he's loitering outside, has been, apparently, for a while, 346 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,895 and waiting untill emerge, 347 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,095 and then... 348 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:34,095 So, he's walking up and down a bit. 349 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:37,175 He had been out there for about 10 or 15 minutes, 350 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,575 which is whilst the phone call was going on 351 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,735 with the scammer inside. 352 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,655 'Yep, you heard that right - 353 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,855 'while the phone call was going on with the fake courier company, 354 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,495 'the man in the taxi was already outside 355 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,735 'waiting to intercept the package from the genuine delivery man.' 356 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,975 Ancl I was thinking, "Oh, my gosh, is it going to be identity fraud?" 357 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,255 Cos they've got all my details, they've got my name, my address. 358 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,255 I was feeling quite vulnerable by now. 359 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,815 So that's when I got really concerned. 360 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,735 'Bud spoke to the mobile phone company 361 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,335 'and soon realised it was a scam - 362 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,295 'and how it had worked.' 363 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:24,615 An agreement had been set up in my name, fraudulently, 364 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,935 for the scamsters to get hold of a brand-new iPhone 365 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,895 without any money changing hands at all, 366 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,575 but with my name and my details having been given 367 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,615 as part of the agreement. 368 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,015 'The scam works by stealing someone's details 369 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,655 'to sign up to a phone contract. 370 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,215 'The scammers then intercept the delivery, 371 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,815 'which, in Bud's case, was in her name, 372 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,015 'meaning she would've had to foot the bill 373 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,455 'for a phone she gave away to the thieves. 374 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,415 'Luckily, she spotted the scam early, 375 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,655 'or she could have been completely unaware of a contract in her name.' 376 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,815 And the wager that goes on, 377 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,255 that I'm in default of payment, 378 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,815 the more of an impact that has on my credit rating. 379 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,055 Ancl it also puts up a red flag against your name 380 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,575 as far as mobile phone companies are concerned. 381 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,255 'The National Fraud Investigation Bureau 382 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,975 'were made aware of over 300 frauds 383 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,375 'similar to this one in just one month. 384 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,175 'And every single one of them 385 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,415 'could have affected the victim's credit rating. 386 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,055 'So how can we protect ourselves?' 387 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,775 There are some simple steps you can take 388 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,575 to help protect or even fix your credit score. 389 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,895 First up, look - have a look through it. 390 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,295 Make sure that you recognise everything in it. 391 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,975 If there's something that stands out, 392 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,655 then contact one of the three agencies immediately - 393 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,335 that's Experian, Equifax and TransUnion. 394 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,335 Let them know what you don't recognise 395 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,495 and urge them to fix it straightaway. 396 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,095 Next up - monitor. 397 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,015 There are plenty of free services 398 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,535 that will send you your credit report every month 399 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,735 and tell you if it's gone up or down. 400 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,535 That's a very, very good way of keeping an eye on it. 401 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,495 And finally - protect. 402 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,615 You can actually put a password on your credit score. 403 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,495 This means that if a scammer is trying to 404 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,095 take out credit in your name, 405 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,255 the lender will ask them for that password, 406 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,975 and if they don't have it, 407 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,695 well, you've just stopped a scam in its tracks. 408 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,455 'Each week, I'm going to have a little fun at the scammers' expense, 409 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,855 'exposing their tricks and, ultimately, 410 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,175 'well, wasting their time. 411 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,655 'And this week, I've been trawling social media for scams, 412 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,335 'the sort that pretend to offer lots of money for very little effort.' 413 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,015 There's accounts who find you with deals that are too good to be true, 414 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,575 or that you can win something simply by answering a question. 415 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,815 'You could easily assume they are genuine competitions, 416 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,295 'but in reality, 417 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,055 'they're just a clever technique to steal your profile.' 418 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,975 And this is one such account. 419 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,215 We think that this account has been taken over by scammers 420 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,735 because this is an account that used to belong to someone 421 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,095 who one of our researchers knew and had been in contact with. 422 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:21,135 And then all of a sudden this account reached out to them 423 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,055 with this sort of bizarre offer. 424 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,855 You get given a riddle, 425 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,375 and if you answer it, you get £1,000. 426 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,615 So let's see what happens. 427 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,255 So, here it is. 428 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,215 READS ALOUD 429 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,335 "The winner gets £1,000." 430 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,215 Hmm, tricky. 431 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,855 Ex-policeman. 432 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,735 Could it be his job? 433 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,695 Let's see, if I reply with, "His job." 434 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:55,695 See what happens. 435 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,015 So, we've sent. 436 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,695 Do we get to win £1,000 for solving a not-so-difficult riddle, 437 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,815 but a riddle nonetheless? 438 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,455 Shall I just say, "Can I have £1,000 now?" 439 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,575 Oh, hang on. 440 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,055 "Send me your PayPal," she says. 441 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,135 Double kiss. 442 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,135 "Do I really get 1K?" 443 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,135 IIYh - II 444 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,215 Use some vowels! 445 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,015 "How quickly can you send?" 446 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,295 I swear to God, if this answer doesn't have a vowel in it, 447 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,375 I'm gonna blow my top. 448 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,935 'After a bit of back and forth about payment methods, 449 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,735 'she, well, the scammer is adamant that this is a genuine deal.' 450 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,535 "ls this a scam?" 451 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,495 Reply - "Nah, it's legit." 452 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,055 That's the reassurance I was hoping for. 453 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,295 "|t's a giveaway from my sponsor." 454 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,335 Ooh, she sent us a little picture. What's that? 455 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,775 OK, so this is a previous... 456 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,975 She's sent us a screenshot of money being paid. 457 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,655 So... Wow. 458 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,975 Forget everything I just said, I think I'm in the money! 459 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,055 'OK, so I've had the sales pitch, 460 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,295 'what's the scammer really after?' 461 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,975 "Send me your phone number." 462 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,375 That's all. 463 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,775 Now, what's interesting here is that 464 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,095 she says that in order for the money to be sent, 465 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:36,135 her sponsor needs a quick verification. 466 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,415 But this is really key. 467 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,815 She says, "A verification code will be sent via SMS 468 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,535 "to confirm your payment." 469 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,415 'And, spoiler alert, this is how the scam works.' 470 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,135 This scammer is going to try and take over our account 471 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,495 by using our mobile number that is associated with this account. 472 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,815 And this verification code which will be sent to us 473 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,415 as confirmation of payment 474 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,735 is actually going to be a one-time password. 475 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,215 'So if we were to fill out the forgotten password 476 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,215 'on a website like Facebook, let's say, 477 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,615 'it would text us a code to our mobile.' 478 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,815 So if she says, "Oh, did you get the verification code? 479 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,295 "Let me just check, what is it?" 480 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,015 If we gave her that code, 481 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,975 then she'd have all she needs to take over our account. 482 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,615 'Because once they have access to it, 483 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,895 'they have a fully convincing and functional profile, 484 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,575 'pictures and all, 485 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,015 'which they're free to use for other scams, 486 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,415 'such as romance cons and bogus sales. 487 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,455 'Sadly, this is exactly what we think has happened 488 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,455 'to the person who owned the account we are now being messaged from. 489 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,495 'But one thing's for sure...' 490 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,055 I'm not going to win £1,000. 491 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,175 'Well, I can't pretend I'm not disappointed, 492 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,455 'but with so many different scams and fraud afoot, 493 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,015 'which is the most likely you would encounter? 494 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,215 'IS it...' 495 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,535 'Find out after the break, 496 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,055 'where we'll also meet the family 497 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,455 'who lost the entire cost of their dream home to scammers.' 498 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,775 How much did you send? £120,000. 499 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,495 'Before the break, I asked you...' 500 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,295 'And it's B - impersonation fraud. 501 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,255 'In the UK, statistics of scams make for pretty grim reading. 502 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,975 '96% of fraud cases are never solved, 503 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,415 'so is it any wonder so many of us are being targeted 504 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,055 'by so many different types of scams?' 505 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,295 The scarier scams are the ones where one individual is targeted 506 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,495 and the scammers lie in wait 507 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,975 and can potentially be in for a massive payday 508 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,375 to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds. 509 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,655 'It's what happened to Michelle and her family, 510 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,695 'and they ended up losing nearly everything.' 511 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,375 'Spain, with its beautiful coast and relaxing climate, 512 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,895 'it's always been a popular destination for Brits. 513 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,535 'That was what appealed to Michelle and her family, 514 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,135 'who set about moving there in 2020. 515 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,775 'Using a website connected to a well-known TV property series, 516 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,615 'they purchased an apartment for £120,000. 517 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,535 'Of course, this is where the story SHOULD be starting... 518 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,295 'but it isn't.' RECORD SCRATCH 519 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,375 'In fact, thanks to an incredibly heartless and frightening scam, 520 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,695 'Michelle and her family never made it.' 521 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,895 Michelle, let's start from the beginning. 522 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,335 Did you do any background checks on this website? 523 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,495 Yeah, we clone an awful lot of looking into it, 524 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,095 into the background, to make sure... 525 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,455 It's very well known, so everyone knows of it, 526 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,375 so it seemed quite straightforward. 527 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,295 'They arranged the sale using a Spanish property solicitor 528 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,975 'recommended on the website.' 529 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,895 So, we had emails back and forth, 530 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,375 and we had an email that stated the bank details 531 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,095 to send our money to. 532 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,335 How much did you send? £120,000. 533 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,575 So they weren't asking for a deposit, 534 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,495 they were asking for the whole thing. 535 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,015 £120,000 - we were cash buyers. OK. 536 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,975 We then received an email two clays later 537 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,775 saying they hadn't received any money. 538 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,975 'It's every house buyer's worst nightmare. 539 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,775 'Somewhere along the line, £120,000 had vanished, 540 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,735 'despite being paid into the account given by the solicitors on email.' 541 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,695 The email address was our solicitors' email address 542 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,335 but someone had hacked into something and got our details 543 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,615 and we weren't actually speaking to the solicitors on the emails, 544 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,575 we were speaking to somebody else. 545 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,615 So the email body looked identical to your solicitors' email body? 546 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,575 Everything was identical. 547 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,375 'Somehow, the email exchange between Michelle and the solicitors in Spain 548 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,655 'had been infiltrated, so they could take it over. 549 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,535 'The scammer had then created 550 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,975 'an almost identical email to the solicitors', 551 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,695 'but adding small differences to the address 552 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,215 'to easily trick the human eye. 553 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,415 'just take a look at these two similar emails side by side. 554 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,015 'It's easy to miss. 555 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,415 'And this is how Friday afternoon fraud works. 556 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,295 'A crook will somehow find a buyer, falsify an email address, 557 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,295 'and then hack a conversation to send different bank details.' 558 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,695 What was going through your mind when you were being told 559 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,975 none of the money's arrived? 560 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,375 All I can say is when you go onto your mobile phone banking app, 561 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,335 imagine everything's gone and it's zero... 562 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,935 Yeah. ..and you have to go home 563 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,415 to your family and explain to them that everything's gone. 564 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,095 There's nothing. 565 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,175 All the emotions, from not wanting to get out of bed, 566 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,615 grying, to angry. 567 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,815 You're just going through everything. 568 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,975 'Friday afternoon fraud is given this name 569 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,175 'because it usually happens on a Friday 570 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,575 'as it allows the scammer to escape immediate investigation, 571 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,615 'with victims sometimes not realising they've been conned 572 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,855 'until the following Monday. 573 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,255 'As no-one knows how the email exchange was hacked, 574 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,895 'so far, Michelle's bank and solicitors 575 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,455 'have taken no responsibility for the scam.' 576 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,655 How are you coping? 577 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,695 120 grand to be lost, that's a lot of money. 578 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,055 If I spoke to you maybe a year and a half ago, 579 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,415 I probably wouldn't have been able to finish a sentence. 580 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,615 Right. 581 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,455 I just want an answer from the bank, how they can send my money 582 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,975 to an account that was not a 100% match. 583 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,375 I want to know what they're going to do about it. 584 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,695 Ancl after that, I don't know, 585 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,095 I'm just gonna have to try and find some other companies 586 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,895 and avenues to go down. 587 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,895 I'll keep trying. I'm not gonna go quiet. 588 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,455 'Many banks have signed up to the Contingent Reimbursement Model, 589 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,375 'or CRM, designed to help people recover money lost to fraud. 590 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,095 'However, it only applies to payments sent to and from UK banks, 591 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,815 'which doesn't help Michelle. 592 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,455 'Jodie Parman is from Refundee - 593 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,495 'an organisation that fights for consumers 594 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,175 'when they've been refused compensation after a scam.' 595 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,495 Let's look at one of the most confusing parts, I think, 596 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,535 that people find themselves in, 597 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,415 which is getting reimbursed after they've lost money to a scammer. 598 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,655 Some people get reimbursed straightaway, 599 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,855 some people don't get reimbursed at all. 600 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,815 There's a whole lot of confusion, isn't there? 601 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,175 Yeah, there are times, unfortunately, 602 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,055 when customers have fallen to a scam 603 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,375 and there isn't any way that they can get their money back. 604 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,855 There's a few routes that they can get their money back. 605 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,775 One is through the CRM Code. Mm-hm. 606 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,495 That only applies to UK bank transfers, 607 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,495 so if it falls out of that parameter, 608 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,895 then, unfortunately, it's a little bit more difficult 609 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,415 for people to get their money back. 610 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,335 So, if I sent money from a UK bank to another UK bank, 611 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,855 that is easier to retrieve 612 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,375 than if I sent money from my UK bank to a bank abroad? 613 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,975 Yeah, so there's a couple of reasons for that. 614 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,695 The first one is the actual recovery of money. 615 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,975 So, banks will try and recover the money 616 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,975 from the bank account that it's gone to. 617 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,215 Often, scammers are very clever with that, 618 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,215 they move the money out straightaway. 619 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,935 The other side of it is that the scam has to be convincing. 620 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,735 The scam has to be convincing? 621 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,975 Yeah. So, probably the most common excuse that we see, 622 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,535 in terms of being refused a refund under the CRM Code, 623 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,975 would normally be that they didn't do enough checks on the company. 624 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,015 Ancl I think the banks think that because they've said that, 625 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,255 the customers will just go away and they won't do anything to pursue it, 626 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,415 when, actually, if they go down the route of complaining 627 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,295 and going to the Financial Ombudsman, 628 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,695 they are very likely to get their money back. 629 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,935 'It certainly feels like a minefield, 630 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,615 'and with so many scams out there, we must all do our bit 631 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,815 'to be cautious and report them. 632 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,255 'But where is the most common place to find a scam? 633 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,735 'IS it...' 634 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,695 'Find out after this short break, 635 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,935 'when we'll see how scammers can switch off your security cameras.' 636 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,735 Switch this on, everything will be dead? 637 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,855 Yep, nothing wireless, nothing at all. 638 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,575 'Before the break, we asked...' 639 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,375 'Of course, it's on email. 640 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,575 One thing scammers are really good at 641 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,095 is changing up their tactics. 642 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,855 They always like to keep up with technology, 643 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,375 new platforms and news trends. 644 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,775 But there are some scams out there that are so successful, 645 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,415 the scammers keep using them over and over and over again 646 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,215 because they work. 647 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:19,255 'The mum and dad scam is still a very effective method 648 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,495 'of fraudulently taking money from unsuspecting people. 649 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,055 'There have been hundreds of reports of this scam already in 2023. 650 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,095 'It works by crooks sending unsolicited text messages 651 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,735 'to random people, 652 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,775 'pretending to be a child in trouble, needing money, 653 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,615 'as Judith from Somerset was to find out.' 654 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,375 'At the time, Judith didn't find the message 655 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,975 'out of the ordinary at all.' 656 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,215 Tell me about the first message you received. 657 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,375 The first message I received just said something like, 658 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,975 "Hi, Mum, my phone is damaged, water damage, 659 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,295 "dropped it in the sink," something like that. 660 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,295 What was your first response? 661 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,335 My first response was I said, "Who are you?" 662 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,295 Yeah. Ancl she said, "The eldest." 663 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,135 Clever. Very clever. 664 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,015 And she said, "Mum, this is really urgent. 665 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,015 "I need some money before Wednesday." 666 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,495 "I'll pay you back Wednesday." 667 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,575 'In a cruel twist, 668 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,415 'judith's daughter had recently suffered a bereavement 669 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,695 'when her husband died suddenly. 670 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:40,095 'It made the message seem that much more convincing.' 671 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,815 Did it go through your mind at all to check, maybe, with the old number 672 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,015 and see if the old one was still working? 673 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,255 Not at all, because I believed it had been damaged in the sink! 674 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,095 'This is a textbook scammer's trick, 675 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,975 'keeping you off the phone with various excuses 676 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,055 'as to why they cannot talk in person. 677 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,375 'Judith did ask the right questions 678 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,215 'and suggested she called her daughter to discuss it, 679 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,415 'but the person pretending to be her daughter 680 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,895 'was full of good excuses as to why she couldn't take the call.' 681 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,215 Then it's like, you're saying, 682 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,855 "Lovely to do something simple for you." 683 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,295 Yeah. You're making me cry now. 684 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,415 Sorry, Judith. Sorry. 685 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,895 But do you know what? Again... 686 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,175 You know, for me, I know you feel a bit silly about all this, 687 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,135 but for me, I see... 688 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,175 ...the milk of human kindness. I do love her. 689 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,055 And there's some horrific human being 690 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,055 who's basically taking advantage 691 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,735 of a mother's instinct to help her daughter. 692 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,815 Ancl a daughter who was having a bloody lousy time. 693 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,295 Exactly. 694 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,375 'Judith is not alone. 695 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,415 'Data shows that, in 2023, this scam cost victims 696 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,775 'upwards of £460,000. 697 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,015 'In fact, unsolicited scam texts on apps like WhatsApp 698 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,815 'have risen a whopping 300%.' 699 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,335 So what happened when you contacted your bank to send the money? 700 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,815 When I put the details in, the bank came back 701 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,335 saying that the name didn't match with the account number. 702 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,895 Ancl so I then went back to her again saying, 703 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,895 "The bank is concerned about this, they're not the right things." 704 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,895 But the scammer reassured me that it was fine. 705 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,455 You have quite a sort of jokey sort of exchange where you said, 706 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,655 "Prove to me that you're my daughter." 707 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,935 If you like, my heart was ruling my head at that point. 708 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,695 My head is thinking, "This is a bit odd." 709 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:44,815 But my heart was saying, 710 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,015 "Ask your own daughter to prove she's your daughter?" You know? 711 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,215 'Despite her reservations, 712 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:53,455 'Judith convinced herself it was her eldest daughter 713 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,295 'and sent nearly £2,000 714 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,255 'to a bank account under the name of Rhys.' 715 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,095 When did the penny drop? 716 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,895 Well, I think it was when we had this nice little conversation 717 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,215 where she said, "Thank you, I do appreciate it," etc, etc, 718 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,455 I think she said, "I love you, Mum." Mm-hm. 719 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,695 Ancl I felt very warmed and appreciated and so on. 720 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,135 'This is another scammer's trick - 721 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,695 'and probably the most callous of them all- 722 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:28,335 'using emotion to convince you to part with even more money.' 723 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,375 And then she says, 724 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,455 "And nowl need 1,400 and something or other." 725 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,895 Ancl I just started thinking, "What's going on?" 726 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,095 And did you call your real daughter? 727 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,495 Yes. And of course she was saying... 728 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,735 She said, "What are you on about? I'm fine." 729 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,775 At the time, I felt absolutely pathetic, I would say. 730 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,535 I felt, "I really am an old lady." 731 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,455 I don't go around feeling I'm an old lady most of the time. 732 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,055 I didn't want to tell anybody. But you weren't stupid. 733 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,735 They're just very good at their job. Yes. 734 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,775 'It's clear that social media and communication apps 735 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,255 'are rich pickings for scammers.' 736 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,415 80% of all fraud carried out in the UK is committed online. 737 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,375 But what about the other 20%, physical fraud? 738 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,535 Are we doing enough to make sure we're staying safe? 739 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,015 'A recent study shows that we are. 740 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,455 'Well, sort of. 741 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,855 'One in five home owners now have an internet camera doorbell. 742 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,495 'As we saw earlier, they helped catch a courier scammer, 743 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,255 'and they've been known to catch car criminals 744 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,175 'and burglars in the act. 745 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,775 'But are these cameras the solution that we think they are?' 746 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,895 And, luckily, I know the man to ask. 747 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,935 'I'm going to catch up with ethical hacker 748 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,975 'and tech expert Mike Godfrey, 749 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,295 'who happens to have one of the most popular brands of home security. 750 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,855 'But to be clear, what he's about to show me 751 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,175 'can affect every brand of internet-enabled doorbell 752 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,615 'on the market.' 753 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,335 Why are we stood outside your house? 754 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,255 I have a feeling you're going to tell me 755 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,935 by showing me what on earth that is attached to your hand. 756 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,455 So, here we have a broad-rangejammer. 757 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,255 So, this will jam Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, car keys, everything. 758 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,415 Ancl where these obviously rely on Wi-Fi, 759 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,975 as soon as we turn this on, 760 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,175 we lose all functionality from any video doorbell. 761 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,935 So, something like this basically knocks out 762 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,655 any wireless communication? Anything, yeah. 763 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,375 ‘Now, I know what you're thinking, this is all a bit James Bond. 764 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,615 'Although these gadgets are not illegal to own, 765 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,535 'they are illegal to use 766 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,735 'because of the interference the tech can cause.' 767 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,655 I know it's kind of naughty, 768 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,655 but can we kind of have a brief look at how it works? 769 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,495 Like, can we see this working 770 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,215 and then what happens when you turn this on? 771 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:55,735 Of course we can. 772 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,935 'Mike is using the lowest power setting 773 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,215 'which he has downgraded to a five-metre radius. 774 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:06,735 'This means it will only affect his own personal devices. 775 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,575 'At maximum power, 776 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,415 'these gadgets can knock out devices 25 metres away.' 777 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,375 Mike is gonna get into position 778 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,335 and we're gonna see him on the video doorbell here. 779 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,535 So, there he is. 780 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,575 Now, when I give him the word go, 781 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,415 he's gonna flick a switch on thatjammer 782 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,375 and then we'll see what happens. 783 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,255 Mike, are you ready? I'm ready. 784 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,135 OK, give us a wave so we can see the live picture. 785 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,495 When you're ready just flick that switch 786 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,055 and we'll see what happens. 787 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,775 Are you still waving? 788 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,095 He's waving, and now he's completely frozen. 789 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,175 There's nothing there at all. 790 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,255 The Wi-Fi's gone. 791 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,135 That is insane. 792 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,575 That is absolutely insane. Everything went dead. 793 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,615 That's crazy! 794 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,175 Yeah, it's super effective for this type of crime, definitely. 795 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,655 'It's estimated there could be upward of 450 uses of jamming 796 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,735 'in the UK every day. 797 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:14,655 'In 2022, 130,000 cars were stolen in Britain, 798 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,255 'so the ease of this experiment is quite shocking, 799 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,615 'but important to highlight.' 800 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,815 So, they turn this on when they're out of sight, 801 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,175 you can get them ranging from 5-100 metres, or even more, 802 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,575 and as soon as they approach your property, 803 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,295 this will pick up nothing, nothing at all. 804 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,215 So, your lovely car, if I've got my eye on it, 805 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,695 I could come here, switch this on, 806 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,535 you won't get a notification that someone's at your door, 807 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,695 I can get in, none of your cameras will pick me up, 808 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,135 motion detector, nothing. 809 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,415 Nope, nothing wireless. Nothing at all. 810 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,415 'Within seconds, the Wi-Fi signal was gone, 811 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,615 'meaning a video doorbell or CCTV 812 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,455 'that relied on an internet connection would be dead. 813 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,095 'But there ARE ways that we can protect ourselves.' 814 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,495 Anything wireless is susceptible to this type of attack, 815 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,695 so wiring things in. 816 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,015 You can get some quite inexpensive wired video cameras, 817 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,415 surveillance cameras, alarm systems, etc. 818 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,055 That stops this attack completely. 819 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,255 Back to old school. 820 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,575 That's it. Old school. 821 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,735 Old school works, folks. That's the key. 822 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,175 'And what of the rest of the people 823 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,855 'who have been caught up by scams in this episode? 824 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,895 'Well, it's been something of a mixed bag of results.' 825 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,255 Now, Bud had a narrow escape, she didn't actually lose any money, 826 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,015 and, thankfully, her credit score wasn't affected either. 827 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,255 However, having been a victim of identity theft, 828 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,255 she needs to be wary 829 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,615 that her name is not gonna be used in other scams. 830 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,975 Daria, unfortunately, 831 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,455 is still out of pocket to the tune of £10,000. 832 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,335 She's still fighting her case, hopeful that, at some point, 833 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,215 she will be reimbursed for her losses. 834 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,335 Judith did eventually get her money back, 835 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,855 but she still feels aggrieved, like many victims of scams do, 836 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,255 at the lack of empathy shown to her, not only by her bank, 837 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,295 but also by the police. 838 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,535 'Sadly for Michelle, the battles with her bank and solicitors go on. 839 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,855 'Currently, she remains £120,000 out of pocket 840 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,735 'and is taking the case to the Financial Ombudsman. 841 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,095 'Next time, a woman loses her life savings 842 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,655 'to a callous scammer...' 843 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,335 Did you get any of it back? No. 844 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,855 '..the scam that locks you out of your smart phone 845 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,255 'and steals your money...' 846 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,695 I tried to disconnect my phone and I couldn't. 847 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:40,535 They'd taken over my handset. 848 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,335 '..and I take some tips from a romance scammer's playbook.' 849 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,695 This section is called "Dream you had for her. 850 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,695 "Sex dream..." It's quite explicit. 851 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,335 It starts... My goodness. OK. 852 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,055 'Have you been scammed? Do you have a tip for us? 853 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,575 'Then go to... 854 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,615 '..and get in touch.' 70496

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