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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,051 --> 00:00:11,011 November 2004, 2 00:00:11,011 --> 00:00:12,804 off the coast of Southern California, 3 00:00:12,804 --> 00:00:15,766 the radar operators on the USS Princeton 4 00:00:15,766 --> 00:00:18,477 begin to see objects coming essentially from space. 5 00:00:18,477 --> 00:00:20,312 As I come up, I can see him as 6 00:00:20,312 --> 00:00:22,773 he's crossing in front of me, it starts to accelerate, 7 00:00:22,773 --> 00:00:25,150 gets right on my nose and disappears. 8 00:00:25,150 --> 00:00:28,153 This particular object 9 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:30,989 was not following any of our rules. 10 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:33,575 Like, what the is that? 11 00:00:33,575 --> 00:00:36,995 Like, we're seeing something for the first time. 12 00:00:36,995 --> 00:00:38,538 We don't know if it's a threat. 13 00:00:38,538 --> 00:00:40,874 We don't even know what it is. 14 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:43,043 We don't know what we don't know. 15 00:00:45,379 --> 00:00:48,257 These unidentified flying phenomenon 16 00:00:48,257 --> 00:00:52,010 or objects, you know, I don't know what they are. 17 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:54,930 But we've established one thing: they exist. 18 00:00:56,265 --> 00:00:57,599 Our pilots have been seeing 19 00:00:57,599 --> 00:00:59,935 these things for decades. 20 00:00:59,935 --> 00:01:01,270 Their sightings go all the way back 21 00:01:01,270 --> 00:01:02,729 to the '40s and '50s and '60s. 22 00:01:02,729 --> 00:01:04,231 We have a report 23 00:01:04,231 --> 00:01:06,817 of an unidentified aircraft south of the field. 24 00:01:06,817 --> 00:01:08,402 There have been hundreds of sightings 25 00:01:08,402 --> 00:01:10,320 in Westchester, Dutchess, and Putnam Counties. 26 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,155 Anything that enters an airspace 27 00:01:12,155 --> 00:01:13,532 that's not supposed to be there is a threat. 28 00:01:13,532 --> 00:01:15,158 There's a lot of people 29 00:01:15,158 --> 00:01:16,660 who feel very passionate about this issue 30 00:01:16,660 --> 00:01:18,453 and they just want people to take it seriously, 31 00:01:18,453 --> 00:01:20,789 as they should! 32 00:01:20,789 --> 00:01:22,332 The military and the government 33 00:01:22,332 --> 00:01:25,085 basically decided on a policy of shaming. 34 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:28,380 The witnesses were very afraid of being ridiculed. 35 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:31,300 They think you're a nut, tell you the truth. 36 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:33,635 That's just what they figure you are. 37 00:01:33,635 --> 00:01:35,762 We needed to remove the stigma. 38 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:37,764 Republicans are just as curious 39 00:01:37,764 --> 00:01:39,600 as Democrats when it comes to these matters. 40 00:01:41,143 --> 00:01:42,853 It used to be that the burden of proof 41 00:01:42,853 --> 00:01:44,855 was on the true believer. 42 00:01:44,855 --> 00:01:47,733 They saw something, prove it. 43 00:01:47,733 --> 00:01:50,902 Now the burden of proof has shifted to the government. 44 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:52,738 Now they have to prove 45 00:01:52,738 --> 00:01:54,906 that they don't come from perhaps 46 00:01:54,906 --> 00:01:57,242 another universe beyond ours. 47 00:02:00,871 --> 00:02:02,331 We get reports every night. 48 00:02:02,331 --> 00:02:03,749 I don't know what the hell it is. 49 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:05,959 Looks like a rotating light around it. 50 00:02:12,966 --> 00:02:15,093 Yes, it came from outer space 51 00:02:15,093 --> 00:02:17,012 to fill the world with terror. 52 00:02:17,012 --> 00:02:19,389 To bring you unforgettable suspense. 53 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:21,224 When you hear the term "UFO," 54 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:22,809 I think a lot of people 55 00:02:22,809 --> 00:02:24,269 think of, uh, little green men 56 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:26,063 and Elvis on the mothership, 57 00:02:26,063 --> 00:02:27,522 and tin foil hats. 58 00:02:27,522 --> 00:02:28,982 Where did it come from? 59 00:02:28,982 --> 00:02:30,192 When in reality, 60 00:02:30,192 --> 00:02:34,613 what we're talking about are real objects 61 00:02:34,613 --> 00:02:37,949 that are being encountered over controlled U.S. airspace, 62 00:02:37,949 --> 00:02:40,994 in some cases very sensitive locations, 63 00:02:40,994 --> 00:02:45,123 performing in ways that, frankly, we can't understand. 64 00:02:47,209 --> 00:02:49,961 Honestly, we have video footage of UAPs, 65 00:02:49,961 --> 00:02:52,089 unidentified aerial phenomena. 66 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:01,264 More and more things 67 00:03:01,264 --> 00:03:02,849 that we can't identify. 68 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:04,893 So we need to know what it is. 69 00:03:04,893 --> 00:03:08,021 That is necessary for national security. 70 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:11,400 There's a whole fleet of them, look on the ASA. 71 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,820 Might this be from the Russians, 72 00:03:14,820 --> 00:03:18,490 the Chinese government? Or another hostile nation? 73 00:03:18,490 --> 00:03:19,616 A non-state actor? 74 00:03:20,951 --> 00:03:25,831 Or are these aircraft otherworldly? 75 00:03:25,831 --> 00:03:29,835 Are these beings from another galaxy or universe? 76 00:03:29,835 --> 00:03:33,255 These are questions that, that have to be answered. 77 00:03:33,255 --> 00:03:35,132 I think the best way to characterize it 78 00:03:35,132 --> 00:03:36,591 is we're vulnerable. 79 00:03:36,591 --> 00:03:37,884 It's a vulnerability. 80 00:03:37,884 --> 00:03:40,554 And that vulnerability could be exploited, 81 00:03:40,554 --> 00:03:42,806 could be massively exploited. 82 00:03:42,806 --> 00:03:45,434 So, that has to be a national security concern. 83 00:03:47,561 --> 00:03:49,146 We've been looking at this topic 84 00:03:49,146 --> 00:03:50,856 for the last 70 years as a country. 85 00:03:52,858 --> 00:03:56,945 We have substantiated reports of UAP activity 86 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:58,822 from at least World War II. 87 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:02,993 We have received and analyzed 88 00:04:02,993 --> 00:04:05,704 between 1 and 2,000 reports 89 00:04:05,704 --> 00:04:09,458 that have come to us from all kinds of sources. 90 00:04:09,458 --> 00:04:11,376 You're not taught this in history class, 91 00:04:11,376 --> 00:04:15,338 but we had a phenomenal series of UFO sightings 92 00:04:15,338 --> 00:04:19,926 directly over the nation's Capital in July 1952, 93 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:22,804 on two successive weekends. 94 00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:25,182 Air Force interest in this problem 95 00:04:25,182 --> 00:04:28,185 has been due to our feeling of an obligation 96 00:04:28,185 --> 00:04:32,147 to identify anything in the air 97 00:04:32,147 --> 00:04:35,066 that may have the possibility of threat 98 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:37,944 or menace to the United States. 99 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:40,572 The American people wanted answers. 100 00:04:40,572 --> 00:04:44,784 And unfortunately the Air Force chose to obfuscate. 101 00:04:44,784 --> 00:04:47,287 Our critics continually charge 102 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:48,705 that the United States Air Force 103 00:04:48,705 --> 00:04:51,458 is withholding information from the general public. 104 00:04:51,458 --> 00:04:53,919 This is absolutely untrue. 105 00:04:53,919 --> 00:04:57,422 We are not hiding anything. We have nothing to hide. 106 00:04:58,757 --> 00:05:00,258 So in the early 1970s, 107 00:05:00,258 --> 00:05:03,678 the government concluded its investigation into UFOs. 108 00:05:03,678 --> 00:05:07,098 As a result of that, there was this quiet period. 109 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:09,059 This point where the U.S. government 110 00:05:09,059 --> 00:05:11,895 had washed its hands of the topic. 111 00:05:11,895 --> 00:05:14,564 That occurred for, for several decades, 112 00:05:14,564 --> 00:05:15,982 or at least that's what we were led to believe. 113 00:05:18,235 --> 00:05:20,987 But in fact, in 2008, 114 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:24,866 I was approached by a couple representatives from a little, 115 00:05:24,866 --> 00:05:28,703 small, obscure office somewhere in, in the Pentagon. 116 00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:31,039 That office was called the Advance Aerospace Threat 117 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:34,918 AATIP. 118 00:05:34,918 --> 00:05:37,295 The individuals asked me if I would be part of an effort 119 00:05:37,295 --> 00:05:40,173 which, quite literally, looked at UFOs. 120 00:05:41,299 --> 00:05:42,509 AATIP was the deliberate 121 00:05:42,509 --> 00:05:44,302 and purposeful study of 122 00:05:44,302 --> 00:05:46,346 Unidentified Aerial Vehicles 123 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:49,266 that were being encountered in controlled U.S. air space. 124 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:53,144 People asked me, "Well, why you, Luis?" 125 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:55,689 And as it was explained to me 126 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:58,942 was because of my, my background. 127 00:05:58,942 --> 00:06:02,153 I'm a career counterintelligence special agent. 128 00:06:02,153 --> 00:06:05,031 Many of my assignments were overseas, 129 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:08,201 initially in the Latin American, uh, hemisphere, 130 00:06:08,201 --> 00:06:10,036 and then later on, after September 11th, 131 00:06:10,036 --> 00:06:12,080 over in Afghanistan and the Middle East. 132 00:06:13,999 --> 00:06:16,251 I took an oath many, many years ago 133 00:06:16,251 --> 00:06:20,005 to defend this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. 134 00:06:20,005 --> 00:06:22,841 And that's why I accepted the offer to join AATIP. 135 00:06:24,259 --> 00:06:26,303 I approached this job the same way 136 00:06:26,303 --> 00:06:29,014 I did every other job I ever had in intelligence. 137 00:06:30,056 --> 00:06:31,808 The exact same methodologies 138 00:06:31,808 --> 00:06:33,560 that we used to hunt terrorists, 139 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,313 we were using to hunt UFOs. 140 00:06:36,313 --> 00:06:38,898 The sources of information that was collected 141 00:06:38,898 --> 00:06:44,571 was primarily through Department of Defense and military assets. 142 00:06:44,571 --> 00:06:48,825 Think of fighter aircraft and, and military eyewitnesses. 143 00:06:48,825 --> 00:06:51,494 We did not engage the public. 144 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:53,872 These pilots are, are not only trained observers, 145 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:57,167 but they are some of the best aircraft pilots on the planet 146 00:06:57,167 --> 00:06:59,794 operating some of the most sophisticated weapons systems 147 00:06:59,794 --> 00:07:01,421 on the planet. 148 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:02,881 When they're telling you 149 00:07:02,881 --> 00:07:05,091 that they are encountering something 150 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:07,177 that they cannot describe, 151 00:07:07,177 --> 00:07:08,762 that impacts our national security 152 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:11,139 and our ability to respond to a perceived threat. 153 00:07:11,139 --> 00:07:15,810 And so when they are encountering these objects 154 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:18,355 we have to take their testimony seriously. 155 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:21,900 Imagine something that had the ability 156 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:24,986 to fly in space, under water, 157 00:07:24,986 --> 00:07:28,907 and in our atmosphere at 13,000 miles an hour, and, 158 00:07:28,907 --> 00:07:31,159 and change directions instantly. 159 00:07:32,535 --> 00:07:38,291 We fly the SR-71 at 3,200 miles an hour. 160 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:39,751 If you wanted to take a right-hand turn, 161 00:07:39,751 --> 00:07:40,919 it would take you roughly 162 00:07:40,919 --> 00:07:43,797 half the state of Ohio to do it. 163 00:07:43,797 --> 00:07:45,298 And yet what we are seeing are objects 164 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:48,927 that can do 90-degree turns instantly. 165 00:07:48,927 --> 00:07:52,013 And we're not talking about speeds of 3,200 miles an hour. 166 00:07:52,013 --> 00:07:56,267 They've been clocked at over 13,000. 167 00:07:56,267 --> 00:07:58,353 How is that possible? 168 00:08:01,064 --> 00:08:03,566 On the Armed Services Committee, 169 00:08:03,566 --> 00:08:05,402 the one thing I did become aware of 170 00:08:05,402 --> 00:08:07,529 that I was very concerned about 171 00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:10,198 is that members of our armed forces 172 00:08:10,198 --> 00:08:12,242 have come forward over many years 173 00:08:13,284 --> 00:08:14,911 with reports of 174 00:08:14,911 --> 00:08:18,415 Unidentified Aerial Phenomena that they actually captured 175 00:08:18,415 --> 00:08:22,585 and instead of that information being well-received, 176 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:24,337 it's often been denigrated. 177 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:27,424 By and large, 178 00:08:27,424 --> 00:08:30,051 most of the data was not even filed, 179 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:31,720 or saved, or reported. 180 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,139 The information that was stored 181 00:08:34,139 --> 00:08:37,100 did not go to a central authority. 182 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:39,185 That's not acceptable. 183 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:40,854 And if we don't know what it is, 184 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:44,232 it's not an appropriate response to say, well then, 185 00:08:44,232 --> 00:08:48,945 let's not look at it, or let's not admit it's there. 186 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:51,072 And so I wanted to look into this further. 187 00:08:55,577 --> 00:08:57,162 So is that like an adrenaline junkie, 188 00:08:57,162 --> 00:08:59,038 is that what you'd call yourself? 189 00:08:59,038 --> 00:09:00,665 I wouldn't say I'm an adrenaline junkie, 190 00:09:00,665 --> 00:09:03,793 but I like fast cars and flying jets are pretty cool. 191 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:06,129 I think it's the greatest job on the planet. 192 00:09:07,589 --> 00:09:09,007 My name is David Fravor. 193 00:09:09,007 --> 00:09:12,635 I'm a retired Navy Commander Super Hornet pilot. 194 00:09:12,635 --> 00:09:15,430 I flew for 18 years for the United States Navy. 195 00:09:15,430 --> 00:09:17,974 I'm, uh, at the foot of the ladder... 196 00:09:17,974 --> 00:09:20,769 July 1969, I was with my mom 197 00:09:20,769 --> 00:09:22,729 watching Neil Armstrong walk on the moon. 198 00:09:22,729 --> 00:09:26,524 Both hands down, about the fourth rung up. 199 00:09:26,524 --> 00:09:29,194 And I was fascinated with space 200 00:09:29,194 --> 00:09:31,821 and my mom said they were all former military pilots. 201 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:33,823 And about from that point on, 202 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:37,035 I had this goal that I was gonna fly tactical aircraft 203 00:09:37,035 --> 00:09:39,287 somewhere in the United States military. 204 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:50,465 I got some pilots that I worry about. 205 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:52,675 'Cause, the first thing, you don't want to lose anybody 206 00:09:52,675 --> 00:09:54,969 and number two, the airplanes are pretty expensive 207 00:09:54,969 --> 00:09:57,347 and it's tax dollars. 208 00:09:57,347 --> 00:09:59,891 In November of 2004, 209 00:09:59,891 --> 00:10:02,018 we're gonna work with the USS Princeton 210 00:10:02,018 --> 00:10:04,604 and we were flying, we're training our aircrew. 211 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:06,815 Stand by for word from Commanding Officer. 212 00:10:06,815 --> 00:10:08,733 As Alex was flying the other plane, 213 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:11,152 The Princeton came up and said, "Hey, sir, 214 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:14,572 we're gonna, we're gonna hold on training today." 215 00:10:14,572 --> 00:10:16,825 So he said, "Hey, we have a real-world vector," 216 00:10:16,825 --> 00:10:18,618 and they turned us off to the West. 217 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:22,330 It goes to, "Oh, real world. 218 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:23,581 Maybe we're going to intercept some drug runners." 219 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:28,586 We were flying in a tactical 220 00:10:28,586 --> 00:10:32,132 combat spread formation, two aircraft. 221 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:36,177 Each aircraft had two aircrew. 222 00:10:36,177 --> 00:10:38,888 As the radar hits on the USS Princeton , 223 00:10:38,888 --> 00:10:41,015 scopes start to march towards each other. 224 00:10:41,015 --> 00:10:43,476 They get so close that they can't differentiate them, 225 00:10:43,476 --> 00:10:45,436 and that's called a merge plot. 226 00:10:45,436 --> 00:10:47,063 And a merge plot is when 227 00:10:47,063 --> 00:10:50,108 you would expect to merge with this other aircraft, 228 00:10:50,108 --> 00:10:51,818 and if you're in a combat situation, 229 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:53,695 that's obviously a very tense moment. 230 00:10:55,446 --> 00:10:56,906 So, when you do that, 231 00:10:56,906 --> 00:10:59,242 you start looking outside, so we're kinda doing this... 232 00:10:59,242 --> 00:11:00,702 looking around to see where it's at 233 00:11:00,702 --> 00:11:03,204 because it's somewhere around you and you don't know. 234 00:11:03,204 --> 00:11:05,623 And I looked down, I go, "What is that?!" 235 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:09,794 Close your eyes and imagine a long cylindrical white object 236 00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:13,131 with rounded ends, roughly 40 feet long, 237 00:11:13,131 --> 00:11:14,966 that looked like a giant Tic Tac. 238 00:11:16,718 --> 00:11:21,014 It was white, pure white, it had no windows, 239 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:24,934 no wings, no visual signs of propulsion. 240 00:11:24,934 --> 00:11:26,561 And this thing was going like this... 241 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:28,938 And I, I describe it as like if you put a ping pong ball 242 00:11:28,938 --> 00:11:30,607 and it was bouncing off a wall. 243 00:11:32,942 --> 00:11:34,903 This particular object 244 00:11:34,903 --> 00:11:37,822 was not following any of our rules. 245 00:11:37,822 --> 00:11:40,200 It didn't have a turn radius that we would expect. 246 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,286 It didn't have a period to accelerate and decelerate. 247 00:11:43,286 --> 00:11:46,706 It just seemed to zip so quickly that it was again 248 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:49,334 really disorienting, really confusing for us. 249 00:11:53,588 --> 00:11:56,090 David said it was the "WTF moment." 250 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:57,425 Yeah. Yeah. 251 00:11:57,425 --> 00:12:01,554 There were definitely some "WTFs" on the radio. 252 00:12:02,847 --> 00:12:04,515 Not in a scared way but like, 253 00:12:04,515 --> 00:12:06,267 "What the is that?" 254 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:10,521 Like, we're seeing something for the first time. 255 00:12:10,521 --> 00:12:13,358 You know, some people go "what is that" and they run. 256 00:12:13,358 --> 00:12:14,901 And then some people say "what is that" 257 00:12:14,901 --> 00:12:18,696 and they're curious and they want to get closer and closer. 258 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:21,991 I wanted to get closer and see what it was. 259 00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:24,244 My lead, Commander David Fravor, 260 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,536 he says "I'm in," 261 00:12:25,536 --> 00:12:28,915 which means that he's engaging with this thing. 262 00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:30,333 We're going around, 263 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:32,085 we get to about the 12 o'clock position 264 00:12:32,085 --> 00:12:34,170 and this thing is still pointing north-south. 265 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:35,171 The Tic Tac goes... 266 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:39,092 and turns and starts coming up. 267 00:12:39,092 --> 00:12:40,593 So, now it's mirroring me. 268 00:12:40,593 --> 00:12:43,638 Whatever it was, was aware that we were there. 269 00:12:43,638 --> 00:12:45,723 And as I come up, I can see him as he's crossing in front of me, 270 00:12:45,723 --> 00:12:47,016 it starts to accelerate, 271 00:12:47,016 --> 00:12:49,060 gets right on my nose and disappears. 272 00:12:51,187 --> 00:12:53,106 For something to come off the surface of the ocean 273 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:56,150 like it was moving around, to be able to just accelerate, 274 00:12:56,150 --> 00:13:00,363 to match my speed and then to rapidly go away, 275 00:13:00,363 --> 00:13:04,534 we do not possess that technology. 276 00:13:04,534 --> 00:13:06,661 Dave Fravor was my commanding officer. 277 00:13:08,997 --> 00:13:10,206 Dave had his encounter. 278 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:11,916 He comes back and lands on the carrier 279 00:13:11,916 --> 00:13:14,460 and goes "I'm a little weirded out." 280 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:16,879 Uh, we were out there, and we saw this object. 281 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:19,090 "I need you to go out to this sector of airspace 282 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:20,758 and try to find it." 283 00:13:23,386 --> 00:13:25,805 He's been flying his entire career, 284 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:26,806 over 20 years. 285 00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:27,932 When he says something like that, 286 00:13:27,932 --> 00:13:29,475 I take it seriously. 287 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:32,186 Chad decided, "If there's any way possible, 288 00:13:32,186 --> 00:13:34,939 if I can get this thing on video, I'm gonna do it." 289 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:37,525 I think it's a testament to Chad Underwood 290 00:13:37,525 --> 00:13:40,653 and his pilot, their experience, their expertise, 291 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:43,948 their, their technical acumen that they were able to launch 292 00:13:43,948 --> 00:13:48,494 and find it and bring back FLIR footage. 293 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:51,456 You can see we just jumped to infrared, 294 00:13:51,456 --> 00:13:53,958 target is now white against a black background. 295 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:57,378 It's the same picture, it's just a different kind of polarity. 296 00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:59,964 I told my pilot I'm like, "Hey, I'm going to go into 297 00:13:59,964 --> 00:14:04,719 "every single field of view, zoom, TV... 298 00:14:04,719 --> 00:14:06,846 and just try to bring back as much footage." 299 00:14:08,222 --> 00:14:10,516 So we pop the tapes in and take a look 300 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:12,560 and every single eyeball in the room 301 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,729 was just like wide-open like, "whoa." 302 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:19,984 How do I describe this to someone 303 00:14:19,984 --> 00:14:22,779 who's gonna be, you know, skeptical 304 00:14:22,779 --> 00:14:25,573 and, and there was kind of that stigma of like 305 00:14:25,573 --> 00:14:26,824 "Alright, you saw an alien." 306 00:14:26,824 --> 00:14:28,618 I'm like, "I didn't say I saw an alien." 307 00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:32,705 All I can tell you is that I couldn't describe it. 308 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:34,624 There's a lot more videos there. 309 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,712 What we're seeing on gun-camera footage 310 00:14:39,712 --> 00:14:43,508 is being validated and verified by eyewitness testimony, 311 00:14:43,508 --> 00:14:46,385 which is also being further substantiated by radar data. 312 00:14:49,347 --> 00:14:51,349 My intent was to have this information 313 00:14:51,349 --> 00:14:53,434 presented to the Secretary of Defense 314 00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:55,269 so he could make an informed decision. 315 00:14:56,854 --> 00:14:58,523 There are aspects of this phenomenon 316 00:14:58,523 --> 00:15:02,193 that definitely belong within the national security arena. 317 00:15:02,193 --> 00:15:05,488 Especially if these objects were over controlled U.S. airspace. 318 00:15:05,488 --> 00:15:07,198 That's inherent government business. 319 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:11,911 The boss needed to see the data, 320 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:13,329 and unfortunately 321 00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:15,915 that information was not permitted to get to him. 322 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:17,500 On a regular, routine basis, 323 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:20,169 I was brought up to the Secretary's suite, 324 00:15:20,169 --> 00:15:23,965 and I was briefing his direct reports. 325 00:15:23,965 --> 00:15:27,552 But they wouldn't bring it to his attention. 326 00:15:27,552 --> 00:15:31,347 And I suspect they were trying to save him from embarrassment, 327 00:15:31,347 --> 00:15:33,641 because if someone in the media said, 328 00:15:33,641 --> 00:15:37,311 "Were you ever briefed on UFOs?" he'd have to say yes. 329 00:15:37,311 --> 00:15:39,814 And so after several failed attempts 330 00:15:39,814 --> 00:15:42,400 to brief the Secretary of Defense, 331 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,360 I chose to resign. 332 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,739 Sometimes, if you want to help the system, 333 00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:51,576 you have to leave the very system to do it, 334 00:15:51,576 --> 00:15:53,161 and that's what I chose to do. 335 00:15:56,497 --> 00:15:58,249 My resignation, it wasn't easy. 336 00:15:58,249 --> 00:16:01,711 It was probably the most difficult on my family. 337 00:16:01,711 --> 00:16:04,630 I had given up a successful career. 338 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:08,176 But it's kind of a code of ethic with us in government 339 00:16:08,176 --> 00:16:10,219 that if you can't fix a problem internally 340 00:16:10,219 --> 00:16:13,806 then you leave, which is ultimately what I had to do. 341 00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:19,353 Leslie interview take one, mark! 342 00:16:23,191 --> 00:16:24,442 My name is Leslie Kean 343 00:16:24,442 --> 00:16:25,943 and I'm an investigative journalist 344 00:16:25,943 --> 00:16:29,030 and I've been reporting on UFOs for about 21 years. 345 00:16:30,573 --> 00:16:32,408 In the fall of 2017, 346 00:16:32,408 --> 00:16:34,619 I got a call from a source of mine, 347 00:16:34,619 --> 00:16:37,955 Chris Mellon, a former Under Secretary of Defense, 348 00:16:37,955 --> 00:16:39,957 who was very interested in UFOs 349 00:16:39,957 --> 00:16:44,128 and he invited me to a secret meeting in Washington DC. 350 00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:45,963 And I eventually learned that the purpose 351 00:16:45,963 --> 00:16:50,009 was for me to meet the former head of an official program 352 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:53,095 within the Department of Defense which was studying UFOs, 353 00:16:53,095 --> 00:16:55,473 and had been doing so for 10 years. 354 00:16:57,141 --> 00:16:59,268 I met Luis Elizondo the day 355 00:16:59,268 --> 00:17:02,647 after he resigned from the secret program. 356 00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:04,523 So this was unbelievable to me. 357 00:17:04,523 --> 00:17:06,025 There was a program, 358 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:08,110 and I was actually about to meet the person 359 00:17:08,110 --> 00:17:10,446 who headed up that program. 360 00:17:10,446 --> 00:17:11,948 It was a big deal. 361 00:17:11,948 --> 00:17:13,908 It was the biggest moment of my career as a journalist. 362 00:17:15,284 --> 00:17:16,827 These are original copies 363 00:17:16,827 --> 00:17:19,580 from the original negative of the-- probably the most... 364 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:22,959 When I first started writing about UFOs in 2000, 365 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:27,505 I was working at a public radio station in Berkeley, California. 366 00:17:27,505 --> 00:17:29,340 And, suddenly, this colleague from France 367 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:32,426 sent me a report in the mail. 368 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:35,346 The report was called the COMETA Report 369 00:17:35,346 --> 00:17:38,516 and I had the only exclusive English translation. 370 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,605 What it was was a 90-page study of official UFO cases 371 00:17:44,605 --> 00:17:49,318 put together by French military officials, generals, 372 00:17:49,318 --> 00:17:52,530 an admiral, the chief of police. 373 00:17:52,530 --> 00:17:57,785 What really stunned me when I read it, was their conclusion. 374 00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:00,913 What they said was that the extraterrestrial hypothesis 375 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:04,959 was the most valid, rational, and logical explanation 376 00:18:04,959 --> 00:18:08,004 for the UFO cases that they studied. 377 00:18:08,004 --> 00:18:11,382 So, I thought this was a huge story and I thought to myself, 378 00:18:11,382 --> 00:18:15,052 "What if the equivalent level of officials in America 379 00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:17,013 said something like that?" 380 00:18:17,013 --> 00:18:18,264 Wouldn't that be front-page news, 381 00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:20,683 wouldn't that go all over the world? 382 00:18:20,683 --> 00:18:23,185 And then I pitched a story to the Boston Globe , 383 00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:26,897 and in May of 2000, that story came out. 384 00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:31,277 The response was huge within the UFO world, 385 00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:33,821 but what I was surprised about was that 386 00:18:33,821 --> 00:18:36,907 there wasn't more response outside of the people 387 00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:39,535 who already cared about this topic. 388 00:18:39,535 --> 00:18:42,330 And so my goal in writing about UFOs 389 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:45,124 has been mainly to bring information forward 390 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,542 to the public. 391 00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:49,420 But, beyond that, it's to motivate our government 392 00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:51,464 to pay attention. 393 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:54,925 I commend the media for tackling this 394 00:18:54,925 --> 00:18:57,219 because they're, they're putting a lot at risk as well, 395 00:18:57,219 --> 00:18:58,554 reporting on this topic. 396 00:18:58,554 --> 00:18:59,972 Pilots are in a position 397 00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:03,142 to provide very useful information to scientists... 398 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:06,020 That's how we have a comprehensive conversation 399 00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:08,272 with the American people. 400 00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:12,693 I did not walk away from that meeting 401 00:19:12,693 --> 00:19:15,321 with Luis Elizondo carrying anything with me. 402 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:20,993 I was shown three videos of UFOs. 403 00:19:20,993 --> 00:19:24,413 And these were official Department of Defense videos 404 00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:27,875 that were, without question, unexplained objects. 405 00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:33,339 Oh, okay. 406 00:19:33,339 --> 00:19:35,424 She ran through the videos, 407 00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:37,510 and she asked me, are these authentic? 408 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:40,429 And I said, "I can tell you that the videos are authentic." 409 00:19:40,429 --> 00:19:41,972 And the only reason 410 00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:45,518 why I'm telling you this is because they're unclassified. 411 00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:49,063 I facilitated the review process for them 412 00:19:49,063 --> 00:19:52,149 through the Department of Defense. 413 00:19:52,149 --> 00:19:54,527 Two of them had audiotapes of the pilots 414 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,570 exclaiming about what they were seeing and their shock 415 00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:58,572 and their awe and everything else. 416 00:20:00,408 --> 00:20:02,159 This was just absolutely stunning to me, 417 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:05,121 because there have been no official videos of UFOs 418 00:20:05,121 --> 00:20:08,374 released-- I don't think ever, but certainly not for, 419 00:20:08,374 --> 00:20:11,377 since way back in the '50s or '60s. 420 00:20:11,377 --> 00:20:13,129 And they were official. That's the thing. 421 00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:16,632 They weren't just somebody out with a cellphone taking a video. 422 00:20:20,428 --> 00:20:23,097 When you hear the pilots' reaction to, 423 00:20:23,097 --> 00:20:26,183 to these encounters, it's very compelling. 424 00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:29,603 There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the ASA! 425 00:20:29,603 --> 00:20:31,605 My gosh! 426 00:20:31,605 --> 00:20:32,940 They're obviously startled, 427 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:34,942 they're obviously encountering something 428 00:20:34,942 --> 00:20:37,361 that they can't explain and we need to figure out 429 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:39,280 what we collectively are gonna do about it. 430 00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:46,036 And that's why I resigned from the Department of Defense. 431 00:20:46,036 --> 00:20:48,664 Luis Elizondo's letter of resignation 432 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:51,083 that he wrote for the Secretary of Defense, 433 00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:52,626 I think that might have just knocked me out 434 00:20:52,626 --> 00:20:54,003 almost more than anything else. 435 00:20:55,671 --> 00:20:59,008 He explained why he was resigning this job, 436 00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:01,260 and it had to do with his understanding 437 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,637 that UFOs were a national security concern. 438 00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:07,725 To see that written down, 439 00:21:07,725 --> 00:21:10,186 and the courage that it took for him to do that, 440 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:13,022 it was just incredible. 441 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:22,406 In order to understand why I resigned, 442 00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:27,286 I think you have to go back to where I came from. 443 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,206 I come from, on my father's side, 444 00:21:30,206 --> 00:21:31,957 uh, Cuban immigrants. 445 00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:33,751 That's meaningful for me 446 00:21:33,751 --> 00:21:38,589 because this country offered my family opportunities 447 00:21:38,589 --> 00:21:40,674 that nobody else would, 448 00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,636 and so from a very young age, I've always wanted to, 449 00:21:43,636 --> 00:21:47,056 to serve the, the country that gave my family so much. 450 00:21:49,099 --> 00:21:53,145 You know, ironically, I left the Department of Defense 451 00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:56,106 out of loyalty, not disloyalty. 452 00:21:56,106 --> 00:21:57,733 I left the Department of Defense 453 00:21:57,733 --> 00:21:58,943 to finish the very mission 454 00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:00,736 they gave me in the first place. 455 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,283 After reporting all these years on UFOs, 456 00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:08,244 there was nothing that came close 457 00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:10,454 to the power of that particular meeting. 458 00:22:12,748 --> 00:22:15,292 Once I realized this was a big story, 459 00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:18,212 I teamed up with my colleague Ralph Blumenthal 460 00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:20,840 who was a freelance reporter for the New York Times, 461 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,051 and he pitched it to the head editor. 462 00:22:24,051 --> 00:22:26,595 I had never reported for the New York Times before, 463 00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:29,306 so I didn't know what would happen 464 00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:32,893 but that's where I felt this story should go. 465 00:22:32,893 --> 00:22:35,938 The public has a right to know about what we're learning 466 00:22:35,938 --> 00:22:38,148 about this extraordinary phenomenon. 467 00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:47,199 I think it was sometime in the fall of 2017, 468 00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:49,493 my boss, who's the Washington Bureau Chief, 469 00:22:49,493 --> 00:22:53,497 walked up to my desk and said, "Do you wanna write about UFOs?" 470 00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:56,083 And we both sort of laughed and she said 471 00:22:56,083 --> 00:23:00,796 Leslie Kean had information about a secret Pentagon program. 472 00:23:02,172 --> 00:23:05,843 And that was easily, to me, fascinating. 473 00:23:05,843 --> 00:23:08,178 There's no way I don't want to write about it. 474 00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:10,764 I'm Helene Cooper. 475 00:23:10,764 --> 00:23:14,768 I'm the Pentagon Correspondent for the New York Times. 476 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:18,063 I've been with the paper since 2004. 477 00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:20,065 You can always tell a Pentagon reporter 478 00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:23,569 'cause we like to say that's the best beat in Washington. 479 00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:26,196 You're on aircraft carriers, you're on fighter jets. 480 00:23:26,196 --> 00:23:29,241 I've been on bombers. I've been on the B1 and the B2. 481 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:32,161 You're on naval destroyers in the South China Sea. 482 00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:34,371 You're never bored. 483 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,002 Once Helene Cooper was on board, 484 00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:42,630 we set up a meeting up with Luis Elizondo, 485 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:45,382 the former head of the Pentagon Program. 486 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,720 We met up at a hotel 487 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,472 somewhere near Capitol Hill. 488 00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:56,727 It started in the afternoon and ended up in the evening. 489 00:23:56,727 --> 00:23:57,770 She made it very clear that she was, 490 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:01,106 she was writing this story. 491 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:03,484 I was a little bit, to be completely forthcoming, 492 00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:05,277 a little intimidated. 493 00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:07,988 When the New York Times comes knocking, 494 00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:10,532 that'll get your attention pretty quickly. 495 00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:14,870 He had stacks of papers and information. 496 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:17,706 I think they were trying to get me to confirm, 497 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:19,875 you know, who was the sponsor of the program. 498 00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:22,962 He told us that Senator Harry Reid 499 00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:25,422 had put money in the Pentagon budget 500 00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:27,883 to fund this program. 501 00:24:27,883 --> 00:24:32,638 Leslie, Ralph, and I all thought that Harry Reid would deny 502 00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:34,431 that he had put the money in there. 503 00:24:34,431 --> 00:24:35,891 This was black money, 504 00:24:35,891 --> 00:24:39,728 it was kind of off the books and so all I wanted 505 00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:44,858 was to nail the fact that the Pentagon had a UFO, 506 00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:47,194 secret UFO program. That's all I needed to do. 507 00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:50,489 I'm not trying to prove that they're UFOs, 508 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,866 I'm not trying to prove that anybody's visited. 509 00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:54,868 I just wanted to interview the people 510 00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:57,705 who were involved in this program 511 00:24:57,705 --> 00:24:59,623 and put them on the record. 512 00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:04,336 Going to interview Senator Reid 513 00:25:04,336 --> 00:25:05,754 was a big deal. 514 00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:07,506 We needed him to acknowledge 515 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,134 that he put the money into the program. 516 00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:11,802 If we didn't have Harry Reid, 517 00:25:11,802 --> 00:25:15,347 we might not have a story. He was that important. 518 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:16,724 We didn't know 519 00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,684 whether he'd be willing to go on the record 520 00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:23,689 because this was a very sketchy field to begin with. 521 00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:25,524 You know, most people thought 522 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:28,444 if you're a senior person in the government, 523 00:25:28,444 --> 00:25:30,612 it's kind of a career-ender 524 00:25:30,612 --> 00:25:34,575 to say that the government should actually take seriously 525 00:25:34,575 --> 00:25:38,620 the prospect that unidentified aerial phenomena might be, 526 00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:40,330 in fact, UFOs. 527 00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:46,044 And so, I flew to Las Vegas 528 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,173 to meet with Senator Reid. 529 00:25:49,173 --> 00:25:50,507 He, like, has this 530 00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:54,136 huge suite of offices at the Bellagio. 531 00:25:54,136 --> 00:25:57,347 This was gonna be it, this is my one shot. 532 00:25:57,347 --> 00:26:01,685 And I walked in to talk to him and he was completely open. 533 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:05,689 These unidentified flying phenomenon or objects, 534 00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:08,567 you know, I don't know what they are. 535 00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:12,237 But we've established one thing: they exist. 536 00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:15,532 In that moment, you're sitting there as a reporter. 537 00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:17,868 And your blood is sort of pounding 538 00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:19,453 because you're getting the goods. 539 00:26:19,453 --> 00:26:22,331 I was so excited, it's like I'm writing it down, 540 00:26:22,331 --> 00:26:24,416 and I can't believe he's telling me this stuff. 541 00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:28,712 My name is Harry Reid. 542 00:26:28,712 --> 00:26:33,092 I served in the United States Congress from 1982 to 2017. 543 00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:37,471 I was born and raised in Searchlight, Nevada. 544 00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:42,351 Which is about 55 miles here from Las Vegas. 545 00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:44,311 During the time that I grew up there, 546 00:26:44,311 --> 00:26:46,772 it was a-- mines were gone 547 00:26:46,772 --> 00:26:48,649 and the number-one business was prostitution. 548 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:53,821 So, that's the atmosphere I was raised in. 549 00:26:53,821 --> 00:26:57,533 I can still remember looking up at the sky 550 00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,493 just wondering what it was all about. 551 00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:02,120 And I always, always have remembered that. 552 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,041 Harry Reid really stood out 553 00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:08,961 because he was one of the few members of Congress 554 00:27:08,961 --> 00:27:10,671 who were willing to talk about this issue. 555 00:27:12,673 --> 00:27:17,344 And he had also gotten secret funds to start this program. 556 00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:19,555 It was a modest amount, $22 million, 557 00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:21,640 which is a drop in the bucket of the Pentagon Budget, 558 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,559 but it was the first significant amount of money 559 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,645 to be dedicated to this issue of UFOs. 560 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,480 Well, it's interesting, 561 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,483 you know, my staff, they said in so many words 562 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:35,612 "Senator, don't get involved in this. This is too weird. 563 00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:37,447 It's not gonna help your career." 564 00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:41,159 Ooh, that is so strange. 565 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:43,620 It didn't tend to be a topic that, 566 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:46,331 that members of the House or members of the Senate 567 00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:50,711 or people in senior positions in the executive branch 568 00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:53,213 wanted to embrace. 569 00:27:53,213 --> 00:27:56,633 But I was determined to learn 570 00:27:56,633 --> 00:27:59,052 more about this and so in spite of 571 00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:01,972 the admonitions for me to stay the hell away from it, 572 00:28:01,972 --> 00:28:03,640 I went ahead and did it. 573 00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:07,227 Well, God bless Senator Reid. 574 00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:11,815 He was certainly someone I looked up to and admired. 575 00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:14,651 People want their leaders and representatives to be bold 576 00:28:14,651 --> 00:28:17,279 and if you're unwilling to be bold, 577 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:18,906 then why are you in office? 578 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,995 And as I look back over my involvement in this, 579 00:28:24,995 --> 00:28:27,331 I think, "What if we hadn't done this? 580 00:28:27,331 --> 00:28:28,916 Where would we be?" 581 00:28:28,916 --> 00:28:32,336 Without the work that we did, we would be nowhere. 582 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,089 From a scientific standpoint, 583 00:28:36,089 --> 00:28:39,092 technological standpoint, security of this nation-- 584 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,763 These are the reasons we have to continue looking into this. 585 00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:45,390 - Look at that thing! - It's rotating! 586 00:28:51,855 --> 00:28:53,440 At the end of the interview 587 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,942 with Senator Reid, 588 00:28:54,942 --> 00:28:56,902 I walked out of the Bellagio 589 00:28:56,902 --> 00:28:59,488 and there's a bridge from the Bellagio over the Strip 590 00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:02,741 to whatever's on the other side, and it's a pedestrian bridge. 591 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:04,618 And I called Leslie and Ralph, 592 00:29:04,618 --> 00:29:06,161 and they were on the phone with Luis, 593 00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:08,789 so we're in this four-way phone call 594 00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:11,500 and I was like, "He confirmed everything." 595 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,126 Harry Reid had never spoken out 596 00:29:13,126 --> 00:29:14,586 before about this program, 597 00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,672 so this was like the first moment 598 00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:18,507 in which he came out on the topic. 599 00:29:18,507 --> 00:29:20,217 And that was a big deal. 600 00:29:20,217 --> 00:29:22,260 We were ecstatic because, 601 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:23,804 that moment, we knew we had it. 602 00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:26,640 It's like, no matter what happens next, we have the story. 603 00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:32,521 The lead-up to the actual publication 604 00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:37,609 of the story on December 17th was torturous. 605 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:39,444 Our editors were constantly saying 606 00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:41,697 make sure we put skeptics in there, 607 00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:43,782 we put people challenging this notion. 608 00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:47,786 This caution by our editors 609 00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:50,455 was starting to, naturally, get on our nerves. 610 00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:51,999 It's like, run the story already! 611 00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:56,336 We've like dotted every possible "i" we can dot. 612 00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:57,713 And we knew at this time 613 00:29:57,713 --> 00:30:01,091 that Politico was chasing the story as well. 614 00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:05,846 It's Saturday morning, they still haven't posted the story. 615 00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:09,641 I think it's 11 or 12 and we're hearing from Luis 616 00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,853 and from other people that Politico's about to post 617 00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:14,771 and I am on the phone with the guy 618 00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:17,065 who's the Saturday editor going, 619 00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,401 "Publish just, publish already!" 620 00:30:19,401 --> 00:30:21,194 And he's, he's tinkering around 621 00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:22,863 with "what kind of headline do we want?" 622 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,740 It's just like "Publish! Publish!" 623 00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:26,867 And he finally posted the story. 624 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,663 The story is up and I'm like "Thank God, it's up." 625 00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:34,583 I put my phone in my pocketbook, I go into Costco, 626 00:30:34,583 --> 00:30:37,919 and I'm buying I don't know what-- tenderloin for Christmas. 627 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,297 And, I'm in there for about an hour 628 00:30:40,297 --> 00:30:45,552 and I come back out and my phone is like, has blown up. 629 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,096 In a striking exposé published over the weekend, 630 00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:49,598 the New York Times revealed the existence... 631 00:30:49,598 --> 00:30:50,807 ...has confirmed the existence... 632 00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:52,017 ...of the Advanced Aerospace 633 00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,560 threat Identification Program. 634 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,519 People were calling me 635 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:55,896 and there were like texts 636 00:30:55,896 --> 00:31:00,025 and it was just like, the response was huge. 637 00:31:00,025 --> 00:31:01,693 It was a firestorm. 638 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,236 Tens of millions of dollars for the project 639 00:31:03,236 --> 00:31:04,738 were pushed through... 640 00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:06,656 It was all over the place. 641 00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:07,908 ...unveiled the existence 642 00:31:07,908 --> 00:31:10,368 of a real life X-Files Department. 643 00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:11,495 It was all over the world. 644 00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:18,418 It just went like wildfire. 645 00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,299 It was a huge deal. 646 00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:26,843 Why do you think it attracted so much attention? 647 00:31:26,843 --> 00:31:28,136 I think one of the main reasons 648 00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:29,679 it attracted so much attention 649 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:32,265 was because of those two videos that we included. 650 00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:33,809 They're all going against the wind. 651 00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:35,685 The wind is 120 knots to the west. 652 00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:37,395 Look at that thing, dude! 653 00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:39,314 I mean, there's nothing like watching 654 00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:41,441 a video of a UFO for people. 655 00:31:43,193 --> 00:31:45,654 Those videos garnered tremendous views, 656 00:31:45,654 --> 00:31:50,242 among the most-watched videos the Times had ever put up. 657 00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:52,035 So the response was, was huge, 658 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:55,413 but that was when I started to realize 659 00:31:55,413 --> 00:32:01,169 just how intense the people who care about this are, 660 00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:06,424 and just also how equally intense the skeptics are. 661 00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,260 I'm content saying, that's mysterious. 662 00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:11,054 I don't know, maybe it's a glitch in the, in the hardware. 663 00:32:11,054 --> 00:32:13,098 And if you're going to say, "No, it's not a glitch in the hardware," 664 00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,391 are you really sure? 665 00:32:19,312 --> 00:32:21,314 For the navy videos, 666 00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,400 there are in fact explanations 667 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,778 that involve nothing more complex than commercial aircraft 668 00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:29,614 or balloons or things like that. 669 00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:33,118 It doesn't mean they're necessarily alien craft. 670 00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:34,953 I think that the assumption 671 00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:38,206 that we're being visited fails on the evidence of it. 672 00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:40,709 But it's not that it's impossible. 673 00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:43,670 It's just from my point of view so difficult 674 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:46,506 to go from one star system to another. 675 00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:51,219 I think that it's unlikely these are alien craft. 676 00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:53,763 The universe brims with mysteries. 677 00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:56,850 And we so want many of those mysteries 678 00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:59,352 to be a light in the sky you don't understand, 679 00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:03,398 gee, I want that to be aliens visiting us. 680 00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:05,192 But for a skeptical scientist, 681 00:33:05,192 --> 00:33:07,861 that would probably be the last explanation. 682 00:33:09,738 --> 00:33:12,282 The skeptics had two major points of focus 683 00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:13,783 after our story came out. 684 00:33:13,783 --> 00:33:15,785 One of them was on the videos 685 00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:17,746 because they didn't necessarily believe 686 00:33:17,746 --> 00:33:21,541 that those videos showed some kind of anomalous object. 687 00:33:21,541 --> 00:33:24,044 They thought they could be explained. 688 00:33:24,044 --> 00:33:25,837 The second point is the skepticism 689 00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:28,798 about these being extraterrestrial craft 690 00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:32,636 which personally to me is, is a sort of a disconnect 691 00:33:32,636 --> 00:33:35,305 because we, we're not saying that they're extraterrestrial. 692 00:33:35,305 --> 00:33:36,932 We're just saying we can't explain them. 693 00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:43,021 Now, I don't mind someone being skeptical. 694 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:46,024 I think healthy skepticism is important. 695 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:48,401 In the same weird sort of way, 696 00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:51,112 skeptics are really no different than believers. 697 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:53,949 They're just on the opposite end of the argument. 698 00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:55,867 At the end of the day, 699 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,245 data is what is going to determine 700 00:33:58,245 --> 00:34:00,121 the validity of something. 701 00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:03,959 Well, if humanity wants to understand 702 00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:06,127 what is causing this phenomenon, 703 00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,713 then we need to do real scientific study 704 00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:11,091 and that means we need to collect data. 705 00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:14,177 We need to analyze that data and understand 706 00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:16,930 how it might be possible for that phenomenon 707 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,808 to fit within the laws of physics. 708 00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:22,227 Now watch the way this thing starts to turn. 709 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,354 But we can't speculate about what it is. 710 00:34:24,354 --> 00:34:26,314 We can't just imagine what it is. 711 00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:30,694 You're looking between 20 and 25,000 feet in altitude 712 00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:34,572 and this thing, when it turns sideways, doesn't go down. 713 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:36,783 We need real, hard data. 714 00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:40,161 This 99.9 and range 99, 715 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,997 uh, those are indications that my radar 716 00:34:41,997 --> 00:34:43,206 is receiving jamming cues. 717 00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:47,085 It's possible that these objects 718 00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:50,005 represent a threat to the United States. 719 00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:51,798 It's behaving in strange ways. 720 00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:53,049 It has an aura around it. 721 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:54,426 Then we need to know 722 00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:55,593 exactly what they are, 723 00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:57,971 so that we can respond accordingly. 724 00:34:57,971 --> 00:35:01,600 And so, I think it's extremely important for us 725 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,893 to understand unidentified aerial phenomenon. 726 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:10,066 After the New York Times story 727 00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:12,777 was blasted out on the internet on a Saturday, 728 00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:14,988 the story ended up on the front page 729 00:35:14,988 --> 00:35:17,741 of the Sunday New York Times. 730 00:35:17,741 --> 00:35:19,868 And then it was a whole inside page 731 00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:22,203 when you opened it up, so it was a long piece. 732 00:35:23,622 --> 00:35:26,541 During all the years I'd covered UFOs, 733 00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:28,877 I had access to some newspapers, 734 00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:32,922 but they weren't at the caliber of the New York Times. 735 00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:37,719 And so to see a story on the front page of that newspaper 736 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,471 just meant everything to me. 737 00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:41,598 Did you know it was going to be on the front page? 738 00:35:41,598 --> 00:35:42,724 No. 739 00:35:42,724 --> 00:35:43,850 No, I did not know 740 00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:46,227 it was gonna be on the front page. 741 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:47,854 It was, um... 742 00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:52,233 wow, looking back, it's a little pr-- 743 00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:54,194 I haven't thought about that in a long time. 744 00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:57,322 Uh, it was profound. 745 00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:58,698 Not only had the New York Times 746 00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:00,700 rarely covered UFOs at all, 747 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,787 and when they had, they were usually kind of ridiculing it. 748 00:36:05,455 --> 00:36:07,957 It's really the fodder more for late night 749 00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:11,586 talk shows than it is for front-page reporting. 750 00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:13,755 We are back with President Bush. 751 00:36:13,755 --> 00:36:16,341 Did you go through the secret files, 752 00:36:16,341 --> 00:36:17,634 the UFO documents? 753 00:36:18,968 --> 00:36:20,303 I'm not telling you nothin'. 754 00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,473 When it comes to aliens, 755 00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:26,434 there's some things I just can't tell you on-air. 756 00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:27,644 But you'll tell us off-air? 757 00:36:27,644 --> 00:36:29,312 Great! 758 00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:33,525 But the New York Times piece, 759 00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:38,154 it kinda opened up that you could treat this seriously. 760 00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:43,201 What it did is it removed 761 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:47,372 a lot of the stigma that was attached to the UFO world. 762 00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:51,000 Now, instead of looking at it as a joke, 763 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,253 we can start looking at these objects 764 00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:54,754 from a scientific standpoint. 765 00:36:54,754 --> 00:36:56,673 We can gather the information, 766 00:36:56,673 --> 00:36:59,426 we can gather the data and then have experts 767 00:36:59,426 --> 00:37:03,638 who are qualified, analyze it in a systematic way. 768 00:37:03,638 --> 00:37:05,515 And so that's why I think it's important 769 00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:08,143 to destigmatize the issue. 770 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:11,771 One reason that article was so compelling 771 00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:16,359 and so good is that it was just very factual 772 00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:18,236 based on scientific evidence 773 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,155 and I think that was the beginning of the, 774 00:37:20,155 --> 00:37:21,406 having the American people 775 00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:23,658 and probably the world take a look at this, 776 00:37:23,658 --> 00:37:26,453 these areas of Unidentified Flying Objects 777 00:37:26,453 --> 00:37:29,497 more intensely than they had before. 778 00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,291 So the New York Times article 779 00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:33,918 generated a lot of questions among people. 780 00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:36,629 "Whoa," you know? 781 00:37:36,629 --> 00:37:37,964 They're studying these objects 782 00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:39,716 and we don't know what they are? 783 00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,468 Where, where's all the intelligence data? 784 00:37:41,468 --> 00:37:43,595 How come we didn't know anything? 785 00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,181 And they demonstrate technology that we don't seem to have? 786 00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:48,266 And we didn't even know about this? 787 00:37:50,894 --> 00:37:52,729 There's no doubt that there are objects 788 00:37:52,729 --> 00:37:54,314 that are seen that behave in ways 789 00:37:54,314 --> 00:37:56,649 that are not natural for this planet 790 00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:59,319 or for this environment. 791 00:37:59,319 --> 00:38:02,113 This is a phenomenon we do not yet understand. 792 00:38:05,283 --> 00:38:07,744 There's nothing wrong with us not understanding it, 793 00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:09,204 there are many things in the Universe 794 00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:10,663 that we do not understand. 795 00:38:10,663 --> 00:38:15,502 But it asks us, to investigate, to learn more, 796 00:38:15,502 --> 00:38:18,713 just as we'd wanna learn more about any of the stars 797 00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:21,800 or galaxies we see in the Universe. 798 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,218 Any of the new creatures we find 799 00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:26,513 at the bottom of our oceans here on this planet, 800 00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:28,515 we wanna learn more about this too. 801 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,519 My hope is that 802 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:36,439 we will use the U.S. intelligence community 803 00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:39,359 to solve this mystery once and for all, 804 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,028 to find out, where are they coming from? 805 00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:45,532 Who's behind them? What is the agenda? 806 00:38:45,532 --> 00:38:49,577 We have the means and the capability to do that 807 00:38:49,577 --> 00:38:51,996 if we set our minds to it as a nation. 808 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,957 Unfortunately, 809 00:38:53,957 --> 00:38:56,084 the government has been pretty secretive 810 00:38:56,084 --> 00:38:59,212 about providing hard data to better understand 811 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,130 what this phenomenon might be. 812 00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:07,470 So, right now, what we still have is a lot of speculation, 813 00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:12,809 a lot of "what ifs," and no hard information. 814 00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:14,644 The biggest question that remains for me is, 815 00:39:14,644 --> 00:39:18,022 what else do they have inside the government? 816 00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:21,943 What do they actually know about UFOs? 817 00:39:21,943 --> 00:39:24,821 And why can't more be released to the public? 818 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:28,283 And this is a, a big question 819 00:39:28,283 --> 00:39:30,201 because we spent so long 820 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:33,037 obfuscating the truth about this topic, 821 00:39:33,037 --> 00:39:35,290 that we've somewhat backed ourselves into a corner, 822 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,959 a corner for over 70 years. 823 00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:39,502 Mr. Secretary, there have been charges 824 00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:42,463 that the Air Force for reasons best known to the Air Force 825 00:39:42,463 --> 00:39:44,674 is hiding something in the UFO field. 826 00:39:44,674 --> 00:39:47,176 What is that, if anything? 827 00:39:47,176 --> 00:39:48,344 And I do not think 828 00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:50,930 this is a conversation like fine wine 829 00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,766 where the longer we keep a cork on it, the better it gets. 830 00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:56,603 I think this is a conversation more like rotten vegetables 831 00:39:56,603 --> 00:39:57,645 in the refrigerator, 832 00:39:57,645 --> 00:39:59,230 and the longer we don't address it, 833 00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:01,524 the more it's gonna start to smell. 834 00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:04,319 There is nothing in Air Force files 835 00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:06,029 that come to a conclusion 836 00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:09,115 that spaceships have visited the Earth. 837 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:14,078 I assume that the secrecy is just because 838 00:40:14,078 --> 00:40:16,623 that is what they do in the government. 839 00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:18,124 There's so many programs 840 00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:20,877 going on in that building that they don't talk about. 841 00:40:20,877 --> 00:40:22,670 You know, they classify everything. 842 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:27,425 It just adds to the mysteriousness of it. 843 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,886 We should never be afraid of what we don't know. 844 00:40:29,886 --> 00:40:32,472 That is an absurd reaction. 845 00:40:32,472 --> 00:40:33,806 The target is 3 degrees 846 00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:35,266 to the left of my nose 847 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:38,603 and it's 5 degrees below my nose. 848 00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:42,148 Not knowing is where you start your inquiry. 849 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,651 So, we were operating in and around these waters, 850 00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:46,194 off the coast. 851 00:40:46,194 --> 00:40:48,988 It doesn't mean it's where you end your inquiry. 852 00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:51,032 And that's where I think the U.S. Military, 853 00:40:51,032 --> 00:40:53,534 if they haven't been doing the work, is mistaken. 854 00:40:59,624 --> 00:41:01,793 Oh, my God! 855 00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:03,378 Don't look like no plane! 856 00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:06,798 - Don't look like no helicopter. - What the is it? 857 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:11,135 UFO sightings burst into the news in 1947. 858 00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:13,721 These sightings have continued ever since. 859 00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:15,306 The Air Force made the effort 860 00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,726 to clear the air about the phenomenon. 861 00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:22,063 There's nothing to hide at all. 862 00:41:22,063 --> 00:41:25,233 I was stunned that we didn't have the integrity 863 00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,318 to pursue this. 864 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:30,321 The U.S. government closed its study of UFOs. 865 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,490 And so the work fell into the hands 866 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:33,908 of civilian groups. 867 00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:36,661 UFO reports not only exist but persist. 868 00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:38,788 I mean, it's a definite UFO. 869 00:41:38,788 --> 00:41:40,957 The government owes it to this country 870 00:41:40,957 --> 00:41:44,293 to investigate sightings of extraordinary objects. 871 00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:46,129 It covered the whole entire sky. 872 00:41:46,129 --> 00:41:49,632 People want to know, is this otherworldly? 873 00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:53,261 This could be one of the biggest events in all of human history. 874 00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:55,304 Captioned by Point.360 71984

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