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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,100 --> 00:00:10,000 Jim Mordecai is... 2 00:00:13,030 --> 00:00:15,800 ...a human that chose the wrong path. 3 00:00:17,330 --> 00:00:19,670 You have to know that, at one point, 4 00:00:19,670 --> 00:00:21,400 he probably was a victim, 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,870 and somewhere along that line, he became the perpetrator. 6 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:27,800 He was a very hot football player, apparently. 7 00:00:28,870 --> 00:00:30,930 He would talk about it all the time. 8 00:00:30,930 --> 00:00:34,130 {\an8}In Half Moon Bay, he was definitely a leader. 9 00:00:35,870 --> 00:00:37,500 It was really his identity. 10 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:40,030 And he got a full-ride scholarship to UCLA 11 00:00:40,030 --> 00:00:41,130 to play football for them. 12 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:43,500 The Mordecais, 13 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:45,430 they were kind of this, like, you know, 14 00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:47,430 good old American family. 15 00:00:47,430 --> 00:00:50,100 And then he went and got his girlfriend pregnant. 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,270 And he lost the scholarship because of that. 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,600 And then he had to get married, 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,330 had to support a family, 19 00:01:01,330 --> 00:01:02,870 and that wasn't what he wanted. 20 00:01:02,870 --> 00:01:03,830 He didn't want that. 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,570 And I'm wondering if that's when he lost it, mentally. 22 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:12,170 There's a lot of people that still to this day 23 00:01:12,170 --> 00:01:15,000 look up to him, but on the interior, 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,870 it's far darker. 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,770 I think Jim held it against women 26 00:01:19,770 --> 00:01:22,870 that he wasn't able to have the life 27 00:01:22,870 --> 00:01:24,970 he thought he should have. 28 00:01:24,970 --> 00:01:28,270 And all the other women are the ones that are gonna pay. 29 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:32,600 He was playing out his pain, his rage 30 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:34,230 on all of them. 31 00:02:00,270 --> 00:02:02,200 So I brought my yearbooks. 32 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,370 I thought we could just look through 'em 33 00:02:03,370 --> 00:02:05,000 - and see what it was like when... - Okay. 34 00:02:06,430 --> 00:02:07,730 ...I was here. 35 00:02:08,530 --> 00:02:09,600 Hey. 36 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:13,330 This still looks pretty much the same. 37 00:02:13,330 --> 00:02:14,670 Here's Jim. 38 00:02:15,530 --> 00:02:17,000 Yeah, so the FFA, 39 00:02:17,730 --> 00:02:19,370 you know, Future Farmers of America. 40 00:02:19,370 --> 00:02:21,200 That's a big portion of our high school. 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,200 That's a big club. 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,130 And I didn't know anything about FFA. 43 00:02:24,130 --> 00:02:25,130 In the very beginning of school, 44 00:02:25,130 --> 00:02:27,130 you can go to these tables and figure out... 45 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:28,730 {\an8}- What club you want to be in. - ...what club you want to be in. 46 00:02:28,730 --> 00:02:31,370 {\an8}- And people were definitely recruiting. - Mm-hmm. 47 00:02:31,370 --> 00:02:32,670 So Jim would have been at 48 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:34,130 - the recruiting table. - He would have been recruiting for sure. 49 00:02:34,130 --> 00:02:36,270 Hypothetically, he could see cute girls and be like, 50 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:37,670 "Oh, you should join." 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,670 Yeah. 52 00:02:40,670 --> 00:02:42,000 And I'm thinking... 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,300 {\an8}- He did that to you? - May... Yeah. 54 00:02:46,270 --> 00:02:49,800 So there were rumors that he was sleeping with students. 55 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,330 But what I'm realizing now is 56 00:02:52,330 --> 00:02:55,900 he started rumors about students. 57 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:59,070 He would talk about one girl that 58 00:02:59,070 --> 00:03:02,630 I'm pretty sure he had groomed and... 59 00:03:03,430 --> 00:03:05,770 He would talk about how she smelled. 60 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:08,400 Like, she smelled like fish. This is in class. 61 00:03:09,330 --> 00:03:10,830 That she's just a whore. 62 00:03:11,770 --> 00:03:14,100 And the rumors were anything from actual 63 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:16,570 full-blown rape in there to, 64 00:03:16,570 --> 00:03:17,900 "If you want an A, 65 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:20,430 you're going to 66 00:03:20,430 --> 00:03:22,670 perform sexual acts on me." 67 00:03:24,430 --> 00:03:26,100 When I got out of high school, like, 68 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:28,470 one or two years later, all of a sudden, Jim, 69 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:30,900 he just was gonna retire and do landscaping. 70 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:33,600 He just quit. He's not gonna teach anymore. 71 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,930 You know, usually when people retire 72 00:03:34,930 --> 00:03:37,570 after such a long career somewhere with, 73 00:03:37,570 --> 00:03:39,370 you know, being 74 00:03:39,370 --> 00:03:40,870 the revered teacher that you are 75 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:43,300 at that point in your career, you would have, like, 76 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:45,070 some fanfare. 77 00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:47,530 There was nothing. 78 00:03:49,930 --> 00:03:52,470 I remember kind of asking, like, "Wasn't there a party or, 79 00:03:52,470 --> 00:03:54,770 like, what, aren't you excited?" 80 00:03:54,770 --> 00:03:56,900 No, he's just gonna pursue landscaping. 81 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,030 I just started asking everybody I know, 82 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:13,000 "Do you know anything? Do you know anything? 83 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,370 Do you know anything?" 84 00:04:15,570 --> 00:04:16,770 And one of my friends said, 85 00:04:16,770 --> 00:04:18,470 "Hey, get in touch with this girl. 86 00:04:19,070 --> 00:04:20,300 Something happened with her." 87 00:04:21,030 --> 00:04:22,800 I get in touch with her and... 88 00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:25,170 she says, 89 00:04:25,170 --> 00:04:27,770 "I had this experience with him." 90 00:04:28,470 --> 00:04:30,770 They end up at Jim's ranch. 91 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:31,900 And he... 92 00:04:33,630 --> 00:04:35,330 starts chasing her around. 93 00:04:35,330 --> 00:04:37,570 She had to, like, outsmart him 94 00:04:38,470 --> 00:04:40,430 and get him to snap out of it 95 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:42,930 and take her 96 00:04:42,930 --> 00:04:44,470 back to where her car was. 97 00:04:44,470 --> 00:04:46,970 She went to a school counselor 98 00:04:46,970 --> 00:04:49,430 and told him what had happened. 99 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:51,370 He said something like, "Hey, now we have it. 100 00:04:51,370 --> 00:04:54,600 We have something and we can get rid of him." 101 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,900 And they went to him and asked him to leave. 102 00:04:59,230 --> 00:05:00,670 And he never taught again. 103 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:10,600 So I'm on a Half Moon Bay high school alumni page. 104 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,430 I thought that it would be good to post something 105 00:05:13,430 --> 00:05:15,630 with the intention of letting other 106 00:05:15,630 --> 00:05:18,000 victims know that they weren't alone. 107 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,800 "Over the years, it has come to light 108 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,500 that my stepdad, Mr. Mordecai, 109 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:24,200 made some students' high school experiences 110 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,530 a traumatic one. 111 00:05:25,530 --> 00:05:28,230 Mordecai passed away about ten years ago, 112 00:05:28,230 --> 00:05:29,870 and since then, female students 113 00:05:29,870 --> 00:05:32,000 from varying classes over the decades 114 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,300 have come forward with extremely similar stories, 115 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:36,800 where it appears Mordecai had 116 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,770 a pattern of abuse and manipulation. 117 00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:41,670 If anyone here was affected by him 118 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:43,370 and wishes to share their story 119 00:05:43,370 --> 00:05:46,100 and find a group of women who share their experience, 120 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:48,230 feel free to DM me." 121 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:50,270 I felt like I was doing a good deed. 122 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:52,500 And apparently, 123 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:55,830 according to many people in town, I was not. 124 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:59,170 "He's not alive to speak for himself. This is so inappropriate." 125 00:05:59,170 --> 00:06:01,100 "Mr. Mordecai was a great teacher, 126 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:03,470 and I was in class with him for four years. 127 00:06:03,470 --> 00:06:05,570 A professional. A really nice guy." 128 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:08,300 "Not the platform, especially when he's not here 129 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:10,770 to defend himself against any allegations." 130 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:12,500 "He was a great teacher and mentor. 131 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:13,930 Nothing but respect for him." 132 00:06:13,930 --> 00:06:16,770 Capital letters, "No problems at all." 133 00:06:16,770 --> 00:06:19,300 "This is so inappropriate to put on Facebook." 134 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:21,000 People agree, agree, agree. 135 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,730 I mean, it just was like poof, poof, poof, poof, poof. 136 00:06:23,730 --> 00:06:27,130 I was surprised at how awful it felt. 137 00:06:27,130 --> 00:06:29,930 Why would you ever come forward if you have this? 138 00:06:30,530 --> 00:06:31,430 You know? 139 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:34,530 Nobody would chime in. 140 00:06:35,370 --> 00:06:37,100 Nobody except for Trish. 141 00:06:42,170 --> 00:06:45,100 Trish was the best friend of Christi. 142 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:46,970 And Jim told me that 143 00:06:46,970 --> 00:06:49,100 in high school, Trish had a crush on him, 144 00:06:49,100 --> 00:06:51,800 and he had to really work hard to, 145 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,730 you know, keep her at bay. 146 00:06:58,630 --> 00:07:00,370 I think he would watch for a while 147 00:07:00,370 --> 00:07:03,700 and kind of see what girls... Like, he'd learn. 148 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:06,600 Maybe they didn't have a good thing going on at home. 149 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,670 I'm cool. I'm the school teacher. 150 00:07:08,670 --> 00:07:11,130 He's gonna gain that trust. 151 00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:14,700 A lot of the girls that he was rumored to have 152 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:17,000 "relationships" with, which were not, 153 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,730 didn't have dads in the picture. 154 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:23,930 So he kind of, like, filled that in. 155 00:07:23,930 --> 00:07:25,570 He provided mentorship. 156 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:27,270 You could tell he was grooming people. 157 00:07:29,530 --> 00:07:31,030 Hi! 158 00:07:31,030 --> 00:07:33,100 When they put it out on social media, 159 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:35,500 and everyone was bashing the fact 160 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:38,330 that he couldn't stand up for himself. 161 00:07:38,330 --> 00:07:43,270 Before you are a survivor of this type of situation, 162 00:07:43,270 --> 00:07:46,230 it's easy to look at it from that angle and say, 163 00:07:46,230 --> 00:07:47,630 "Well, this is really a witch hunt, 164 00:07:47,630 --> 00:07:49,730 and this guy can't protect himself." 165 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:51,500 Fact of the matter is, 166 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:54,370 none of his victims could protect themselves. 167 00:07:54,370 --> 00:07:56,900 Jim was a predator. 168 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:59,600 - Mm-hmm. - And he should've been doing 169 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:00,700 jail time. 170 00:08:02,770 --> 00:08:06,130 There were a lot of people in the ag culture, 171 00:08:06,130 --> 00:08:07,570 the FFA culture, 172 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:10,330 that had had Jim, that had never been 173 00:08:10,330 --> 00:08:11,830 taken advantage of, 174 00:08:11,830 --> 00:08:13,900 and perceived him 175 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:15,500 in a lot of ways like I had 176 00:08:15,500 --> 00:08:19,270 previously to his actions with me. 177 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:22,700 {\an8}High school, those were kind of tough years for me. 178 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:25,570 {\an8}I had a really hard home life with my stepmom, 179 00:08:25,570 --> 00:08:27,930 {\an8}and I really was trying to figure out 180 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:30,970 which friend group, you know, I fit in with. 181 00:08:30,970 --> 00:08:34,030 And, uh, the ones that were the kindest to me were 182 00:08:34,030 --> 00:08:36,300 all the FFA kids. 183 00:08:37,130 --> 00:08:38,600 {\an8}Christi and I hung out. 184 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,630 {\an8}She had a great sense of humor. 185 00:08:40,630 --> 00:08:42,730 {\an8}And I met Jim, 186 00:08:42,730 --> 00:08:45,400 {\an8}who was Christi's stepdad. 187 00:08:46,270 --> 00:08:49,070 {\an8}I thought he was a clean-cut, 188 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:51,530 {\an8}handsome guy, albeit my dad's age, 189 00:08:51,530 --> 00:08:54,000 {\an8}but, you know, a handsome, good-looking older guy. 190 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,170 I thought he was just very responsible and very stable. 191 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:58,570 I was very naive. 192 00:09:01,030 --> 00:09:03,030 {\an8}By the end of my junior year, 193 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:06,330 my home life was so bad with my stepmom. 194 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:07,630 And so Jim knew this. 195 00:09:07,630 --> 00:09:10,100 I don't know where the family went, 196 00:09:10,100 --> 00:09:11,700 but they all took off somewhere. 197 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:13,930 He asked me if I wanted to come over. 198 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:17,130 He said, we'll go in the hot tub. 199 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:20,030 And so I had my bathing suit, I had a towel. 200 00:09:20,030 --> 00:09:21,830 And he told me when I got there, 201 00:09:21,830 --> 00:09:24,030 {\an8}"Oh, let's have a little cream sherry." 202 00:09:24,970 --> 00:09:27,800 And then as I relaxed with the cream sherry, 203 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,170 then he said, "I can go get some weed." 204 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:34,930 So I remember clearly sitting in the hot tub, 205 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:38,330 pretty inebriated. 206 00:09:38,330 --> 00:09:41,630 And then he looked at me, and he said, 207 00:09:41,630 --> 00:09:43,570 "I want to make love to you. 208 00:09:43,570 --> 00:09:46,170 And I will be really, really gentle with you." 209 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:48,930 And I thought, "I got to get out of here. 210 00:09:48,930 --> 00:09:51,800 I'm in a really dumb position now." 211 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,030 And so I got up out of the hot tub, 212 00:09:54,030 --> 00:09:56,700 and I was running through the house, grabbing my things. 213 00:09:56,700 --> 00:10:00,400 And he was running after me. 214 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,000 You know, "It's okay, just relax." 215 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,370 And I'm petrified. I'm just, 216 00:10:06,370 --> 00:10:09,230 you know, a teenager trying to get out of there. 217 00:10:10,570 --> 00:10:13,500 I just kept going. 218 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,900 I couldn't see anything but getting the hell out of there 219 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:17,030 and getting into my car. 220 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:19,130 And I get into my car, and I'm wet. 221 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:21,230 And I'm sitting on a towel, 222 00:10:21,230 --> 00:10:23,370 and I'm driving home, and I'm shaking. 223 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:27,770 I count myself so grateful and blessed 224 00:10:28,530 --> 00:10:30,670 that it didn't happen to me, 225 00:10:30,670 --> 00:10:33,730 because I know other people were not so lucky. 226 00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:47,170 The sign is still the same, huh? 227 00:10:47,770 --> 00:10:49,230 Yeah, we were cougars. 228 00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:52,430 So... 229 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:54,670 All right. 230 00:10:54,670 --> 00:10:56,500 See where that big green building is? 231 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:57,830 - That brown building? - Behind the green building? 232 00:10:57,830 --> 00:11:00,000 Yeah, that's kind of where the greenhouses were. 233 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,330 And it was kind of in the trees, too. 234 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:04,470 But, like, he, like, 235 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:06,500 cornered girls in the greenhouse. 236 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:08,670 Christi, 237 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,400 you know, she starts when she's 238 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:13,930 pre-teen, basically. 239 00:11:13,930 --> 00:11:16,970 - And he was revered in the town. - Yeah. 240 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:17,970 Who's she gonna tell? 241 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:23,600 I started high school in '79. 242 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:27,730 Jim, of course, is a teacher at the high school, so, 243 00:11:28,530 --> 00:11:30,070 I had to 244 00:11:30,070 --> 00:11:32,200 pretty much go into his classes. 245 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,600 And we were in the greenhouse, 246 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,970 and he had cornered me in the back part of the greenhouse. 247 00:11:36,970 --> 00:11:39,630 And he grabbed me and threw me on the ground. 248 00:11:39,630 --> 00:11:42,570 And, again, I was fighting, and he pulled my pants down, 249 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:43,770 sexually assaulted me. 250 00:11:45,470 --> 00:11:48,870 And it was a switch of him turning on, like, 251 00:11:48,870 --> 00:11:51,100 "Oh, okay, let's go back to, like, 252 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:53,370 bringing the flats of ground cover." 253 00:11:53,370 --> 00:11:56,630 And I'm standing there, like, "What is going on?" 254 00:11:57,930 --> 00:12:00,330 And I thought, "I cannot believe that he did that 255 00:12:00,330 --> 00:12:01,670 on school grounds." 256 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:10,870 Christi and Trish aren't the only girls that Jim victimized. 257 00:12:10,870 --> 00:12:12,630 There were other women that I found 258 00:12:12,630 --> 00:12:14,130 who also reached out to me 259 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,900 that had stories, 260 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:18,370 but they didn't to appear on camera. 261 00:12:18,370 --> 00:12:20,700 But we found a woman named Val Richey 262 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:23,070 who now lives in Bellingham, Washington, 263 00:12:23,070 --> 00:12:25,630 and she is an alumni of Half Moon Bay High School. 264 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:27,300 She graduated in 1982. 265 00:12:29,030 --> 00:12:31,170 I've had a few phone conversations with her, 266 00:12:31,170 --> 00:12:33,830 and I know she has a story with Jim 267 00:12:33,830 --> 00:12:37,170 that she's been kind enough to want to share with me. 268 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,530 - Hello. - Hi. 269 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:46,130 - How are you? - Good. 270 00:12:46,130 --> 00:12:48,230 - Nice to finally meet you. - I know. 271 00:12:48,970 --> 00:12:51,300 - Nice to meet you. - Uh, so, 272 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:54,230 - can I ask you some questions? - Well, welcome to Bellingham. Absolutely. Yeah. 273 00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:56,600 - You want to come meet the dogs? - Oh, God, yeah. 274 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,800 Hi, guys. 275 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,130 - Hi. Come on in. - Hi. Oh, my gosh. 276 00:13:02,130 --> 00:13:03,730 Yep. This is the gang. 277 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:07,500 So I wanted to ask you, like, 278 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,500 more... I'm trying to understand more about 279 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:12,470 Jim and Half Moon Bay. 280 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:15,630 So what was it like growing up there? 281 00:13:15,630 --> 00:13:18,970 He was the person or the instructor 282 00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:20,330 that I took my courses from, 283 00:13:20,330 --> 00:13:24,070 and he was the instructor that I also TA'd for. 284 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:25,730 He seemed like a really nice teacher, 285 00:13:25,730 --> 00:13:27,800 and he was pretty laid-back. 286 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,670 He was very much a part 287 00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:32,000 {\an8}of my daily life. 288 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,130 {\an8}Between my junior and senior year, 289 00:13:34,130 --> 00:13:36,500 I was involved in FFA. 290 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:39,100 So FFA is Future Farmers of America, 291 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:42,370 and he knew I was horse crazy, and he said, 292 00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:44,200 "Hey, you know, if you want to help take care 293 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,970 of Christi's horse, you can ride him." 294 00:13:45,970 --> 00:13:49,000 And so I was like, "That would be amazing." 295 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,070 So I felt privileged and maybe special, 296 00:13:54,070 --> 00:13:56,670 not ever thinking that 297 00:13:57,230 --> 00:13:58,700 there would be a price 298 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:00,670 for these privileges. 299 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,170 I guess I want to know more, I guess, details, 300 00:14:04,170 --> 00:14:05,700 - if you don't mind sharing them. - Yeah. 301 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:07,270 So what happened? 302 00:14:07,270 --> 00:14:08,800 Yeah. So Jim 303 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:12,070 had invited me to go with him 304 00:14:12,070 --> 00:14:15,570 to take our horse with her new foal to this farm, 305 00:14:15,570 --> 00:14:18,230 and I'd never seen a breeding facility. 306 00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:20,370 This was, like, you know, like, 307 00:14:20,370 --> 00:14:21,400 a great opportunity. 308 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:22,330 It was a Saturday. 309 00:14:22,330 --> 00:14:24,430 My mom dropped me off at the school, 310 00:14:24,430 --> 00:14:26,400 where I was supposed to meet with Jim, 311 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,730 and we were gonna drive to Dixon. 312 00:14:28,730 --> 00:14:32,100 And Dixon, California, is I think about... 313 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:34,370 - Like, what, two hours? - Yeah, maybe two to... 314 00:14:34,370 --> 00:14:35,870 - A little more. - More. 315 00:14:35,870 --> 00:14:37,870 Anyway, we got to the breeding facility, 316 00:14:37,870 --> 00:14:39,570 and there was no tour. 317 00:14:39,570 --> 00:14:41,100 None of the things happened that I... 318 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:42,930 So I was kind of bummed and disappointed. 319 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:45,470 Like, we literally dropped her off, and then... 320 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:47,630 - So he had built this whole story... - Yes. 321 00:14:47,630 --> 00:14:50,730 - Yes. Right. - ...that you guys were gonna go get a tour 322 00:14:50,730 --> 00:14:52,770 - and watch this happen. - Right. 323 00:14:52,770 --> 00:14:54,400 Absolutely. Yeah, that's... 324 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,070 Yeah, unfortunately, none of that happened. 325 00:14:57,070 --> 00:14:58,630 We had lunch. 326 00:14:58,630 --> 00:15:00,630 And I was naively thinking, 327 00:15:00,630 --> 00:15:02,500 "Oh, good, now we'll just go home. 328 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:06,700 But then he wanted to take me to his family cabin. 329 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:09,000 It became apparent that 330 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,300 the tour of the farm was never actually on the agenda. 331 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:17,030 - Mm-hmm. - It was the motive to get me to go with him. 332 00:15:18,130 --> 00:15:20,900 You know, I knew then that 333 00:15:21,770 --> 00:15:23,600 it was not gonna end well. 334 00:15:25,830 --> 00:15:27,700 And I remember thinking at the time... 335 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:31,070 "Well, let's see, I have no money. 336 00:15:31,070 --> 00:15:34,030 I have no way to get home. I have no idea where I am. 337 00:15:34,030 --> 00:15:35,230 Like, I guess 338 00:15:35,230 --> 00:15:39,100 I am just going to do my best to survive." 339 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:41,670 And my focus was just getting home. 340 00:15:43,170 --> 00:15:45,900 He became aggressive and was trying to, like, 341 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:48,800 herd me into the living room and... 342 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,100 And at that point, he was like, you know, 343 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:52,370 "I want to have sex. 344 00:15:55,130 --> 00:15:57,400 I just knew, for whatever reason, 345 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,770 if I fought with him on that, 346 00:15:58,770 --> 00:16:00,300 it was not gonna end well for me. 347 00:16:00,830 --> 00:16:02,530 - I just knew. - Mm-hmm. 348 00:16:02,530 --> 00:16:05,600 He could hurt me. And there's not much I could do about it. 349 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,770 I was shattered. 350 00:16:08,330 --> 00:16:09,430 My whole life, 351 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:13,600 everything that I had thought about things was over. 352 00:16:16,570 --> 00:16:19,130 If somebody is capable of doing that to you, 353 00:16:19,130 --> 00:16:21,130 you don't really know what else they're capable of, 354 00:16:21,130 --> 00:16:23,500 and why would you want to find out? 355 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:26,030 So I think he knew that I wouldn't say anything. 356 00:16:26,030 --> 00:16:27,530 I don't know how he knew that. 357 00:16:27,530 --> 00:16:29,270 - Mm-hmm. - And it was true. 358 00:16:30,370 --> 00:16:32,530 And I thought, literally, I was the only one. 359 00:16:32,530 --> 00:16:34,730 If I'd known there were others, 360 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:36,570 maybe I would have been more brave, 361 00:16:36,570 --> 00:16:38,900 but I was, yeah, 362 00:16:39,770 --> 00:16:41,770 I just kept it to myself. 363 00:16:41,770 --> 00:16:43,130 Unless he had gone to jail, 364 00:16:43,130 --> 00:16:46,270 - which I don't think would have happened back then. - Yeah. Yeah. 365 00:16:46,270 --> 00:16:48,100 - I don't think he would have stopped. - Yeah. 366 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:55,600 Listening to Christi, Trish, and now Val's stories 367 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,070 has been really, really difficult for me. 368 00:16:59,070 --> 00:17:02,970 In 2018, I was sexually assaulted again. 369 00:17:02,970 --> 00:17:04,930 This time, by a friend. 370 00:17:04,930 --> 00:17:06,630 And being somebody who came forward 371 00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:08,400 about my own sexual assaults 372 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,500 and was traumatized 373 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:12,900 and people believed, 374 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,530 but objectively didn't give a shit, 375 00:17:16,330 --> 00:17:17,500 I get it. 376 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:19,570 I spoke up. 377 00:17:19,570 --> 00:17:22,400 And every single time, 378 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,800 nobody cared about me but my mom. 379 00:17:25,730 --> 00:17:26,830 Nobody. 380 00:17:29,570 --> 00:17:30,800 When you do speak up... 381 00:17:32,430 --> 00:17:35,070 the onus is somehow put on 382 00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:37,300 the victim rather than the person that did 383 00:17:38,130 --> 00:17:39,200 that action. 384 00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:45,400 Why didn't you go to the police when that happened, 385 00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:46,800 you think? 386 00:17:49,770 --> 00:17:53,470 Because I was drunk, and I didn't think that they would believe me. 387 00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:55,870 Oh. 388 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,330 I get why women wouldn't want 389 00:18:03,330 --> 00:18:05,600 to come forward about this stuff. 390 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,770 And I used to judge people for not 391 00:18:07,770 --> 00:18:11,000 speaking up, but I didn't realize... I didn't understand. 392 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,870 I didn't understand 393 00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:15,570 where when things like that were happening to girls, 394 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,600 they didn't talk about it. 395 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,500 You couldn't 'cause it would automatically... 396 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:22,630 I mean, you would have everybody against you. 397 00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:24,230 They're manipulated to think 398 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:26,470 that it was their fault. 399 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:30,030 I ask myself all the time why I didn't go to the cops. 400 00:18:30,030 --> 00:18:32,030 And I think for a long time, 401 00:18:32,030 --> 00:18:33,700 and maybe even now, 402 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:36,970 I had some sort of shame. 403 00:18:36,970 --> 00:18:38,900 I'm just... 404 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,900 It's just disheartening that it's... 405 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:43,870 Not much has changed. 406 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:47,930 I don't know what the answer is. 407 00:18:49,870 --> 00:18:51,030 I don't either. 408 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,530 And unfortunately, change is slow, and... 409 00:18:55,530 --> 00:18:58,430 - This is gonna... It might be slow. - Mm-hmm. 410 00:18:58,430 --> 00:19:00,270 But when I see you... 411 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,770 hopefully, you'll be part of the change. 412 00:19:10,330 --> 00:19:12,970 - I'm proud of you. - I'm trying. 413 00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:28,370 I saw firsthand what happens when you silence people. 414 00:19:28,370 --> 00:19:32,430 And Jim was a man who saw things that he wanted, 415 00:19:32,430 --> 00:19:33,530 stole it from people... 416 00:19:35,030 --> 00:19:37,800 and intimidated them into silence. 417 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,730 And I want my family to be free of that. 418 00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:44,130 I want them to be free to speak up. 419 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,630 I want us to exist, and I want 420 00:19:47,630 --> 00:19:50,100 all the women to exist outside of him. 421 00:19:52,270 --> 00:19:54,700 How's it been for everyone talking about Jim again? 422 00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:58,930 - Oh, boy. - Mm-hmm. 423 00:19:58,930 --> 00:20:01,170 - A lot, huh? - Mm-hmm. 424 00:20:01,170 --> 00:20:03,900 You know, there were a lot of things that I 425 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:06,370 came across as I was thinking. 426 00:20:06,370 --> 00:20:09,030 Everything that he said, it wasn't true. 427 00:20:10,270 --> 00:20:11,670 Yeah. 428 00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:14,270 I have this memory that you were bathing me, 429 00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:16,100 and he was, like, watching. 430 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:18,700 And then the minute that we, like, started to go out, 431 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:19,670 he just, like, 432 00:20:19,670 --> 00:20:21,700 - whoop, disappeared. - Oh. 433 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:25,030 Maybe it wasn't so much to see a little girl's naked body, 434 00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:27,870 but more because he was listening in. - Yeah. 435 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:29,870 Yeah, he did listen in on lots of stuff. 436 00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:32,170 Like, I would call her. 437 00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:35,300 "Are you safe? Are you safe? Are you okay? Are you okay?" 438 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:36,570 After I'd heard about Christi, 439 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:38,270 'cause Jaime told me about Christi. 440 00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:40,530 He raped Christi. 441 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:43,300 Did you know that he raped her? 442 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:45,730 Well, when I first heard about it, 443 00:20:45,730 --> 00:20:47,230 Janae told me. 444 00:20:47,230 --> 00:20:49,470 - Wow. - But he told me it's not true. 445 00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:51,670 And he had built up your mom 446 00:20:51,670 --> 00:20:53,830 as being this horrible, horrible person. 447 00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:57,400 - And I go, "Really?" - 'Cause back then, we didn't even know that. 448 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,100 ...making these lies to get us. 449 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:04,100 I believed him when he said he didn't molest Christi. 450 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:06,330 He said Janae had made it up. 451 00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:08,070 And I believed him, 452 00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:12,270 because it's so hard for me to even imagine 453 00:21:12,270 --> 00:21:14,930 that he could have done something like that. 454 00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:20,370 What did you tell me when he was 455 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:22,130 in your apartment 456 00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:25,170 and you guys were looking at the view and... 457 00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:27,800 'Cause I'm only, like, remembering pieces of this. 458 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,830 He just, 459 00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:32,100 out of the blue, said, 460 00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:35,170 uh, "You know, 461 00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:38,030 Christi and I, Christi and I had an affair." 462 00:21:38,770 --> 00:21:39,970 She was a little kid. 463 00:21:39,970 --> 00:21:42,500 How can a little kid have an affair? 464 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:45,600 Exactly. And that's where we went with it. 465 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,500 And he said, 466 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:49,330 "Well, you know, you were young, 467 00:21:49,330 --> 00:21:50,770 your mom was really distracted. 468 00:21:50,770 --> 00:21:53,130 She was just kind of, you know... 469 00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:55,430 We lost our way." Or whatever. It was something like that. 470 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:59,200 And he's like, "Christi was there. We connected." 471 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,300 And I said, "Well, wait a minute. If I was young," 472 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:03,500 I said, "How old was she?" How old was Christi?" 473 00:22:04,270 --> 00:22:05,930 And he said, 474 00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:08,370 and I could see him get, like, "Mm." 475 00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,000 He was, like, "13." 476 00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:15,230 Part of me was, like, he got out of this world 477 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:18,130 without anyone ever standing up and saying, 478 00:22:18,730 --> 00:22:19,670 "This is what you did to me." 479 00:22:22,330 --> 00:22:24,600 I don't know what he had on people in that town 480 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,970 to get away with what he has gotten away with. 481 00:22:34,530 --> 00:22:37,470 I think, given all the facts that we know, 482 00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:40,000 we know he was a serial rapist. - Yeah. 483 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,430 And we know he was abusive. 484 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:44,900 And he would disappear. 485 00:22:46,030 --> 00:22:47,070 I just think that... 486 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,870 the reality of someone like that 487 00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:52,370 not having ever escalated 488 00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:54,170 - Yeah. - ...past rape, 489 00:22:54,170 --> 00:22:56,930 potentially to killing people, 490 00:22:56,930 --> 00:23:00,970 I think it's not out of his wheelhouse at all. 491 00:23:00,970 --> 00:23:02,530 Well, I agree with you on that. 492 00:23:02,530 --> 00:23:06,300 I mean, if you're a, like, serial rapist, 493 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:08,700 like, raping women for fun 494 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:10,230 or whatever the hell you're doing it for, 495 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:12,300 I mean, you gotta... 496 00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:16,100 There's certain situations that have to go wrong. 497 00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:18,300 You can't be a successful serial rapist 498 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:21,670 and not have some damage happen sometimes. 499 00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:24,330 If you're out there purposely hurting people, 500 00:23:24,330 --> 00:23:26,430 how could you get away with not 501 00:23:26,430 --> 00:23:28,330 taking it to a different level? 502 00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:40,270 Hey, so I have 503 00:23:40,270 --> 00:23:42,200 something that I found when I was looking. 504 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,630 - Mm-hmm. - Um, 505 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:46,270 obviously, I was looking for pictures and things like that, and, uh... 506 00:23:46,270 --> 00:23:49,470 I found this, and I think it's important enough 507 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:51,300 - to pass on to you. - Okay. 508 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:52,600 It was... 509 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,370 We had a couple of Bibles, but this 510 00:23:54,370 --> 00:23:56,170 is the Bible that creeped me out. 511 00:23:56,170 --> 00:23:57,530 I had this, uh... 512 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:03,230 in my "dad's stuff, this little box." 513 00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:04,430 I never thought to even open it. 514 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:06,400 It was just, like, stuck in there. 515 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,800 Something told me to keep it. 516 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,630 I opened it for the first time, 517 00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:12,400 and I didn't realize these are little page markers. 518 00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:15,130 And he's literally 519 00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:17,830 underlined or highlighted... 520 00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:19,800 Like a favorite verse? - ...random, 521 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,700 - like, a little random verse. - Okay. 522 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:23,870 I mean, obviously, if this is something that he was 523 00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:26,030 taking the time to highlight and save, 524 00:24:26,030 --> 00:24:27,900 - it meant something to him. - Yeah. 525 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,270 So it's kind of like a little glimpse into... 526 00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:32,630 - his mind. - Yeah. 527 00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:34,800 Exactly. 528 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,130 And some of them kind of don't make sense. 529 00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:38,300 "For all have sinned 530 00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:40,570 and fall short of the glory of God." 531 00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:44,000 When I got to the end here, 532 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,030 as I read through them, 533 00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:46,130 this one says, 534 00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:47,700 "Purge me with hyssop, 535 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,300 and I shall be clean. 536 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,330 Wash me 537 00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:52,330 and I shall be whiter than snow." 538 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:54,130 And... 539 00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:56,430 that one sent chills. 540 00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:58,130 Just 'cause it's in that vein of, like-- 541 00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:59,230 It's the vein of, like, 542 00:24:59,230 --> 00:25:01,530 - um, repent in a way. - Yeah. Uh-huh. 543 00:25:01,530 --> 00:25:03,530 I can ask God for forgiveness, 544 00:25:03,530 --> 00:25:05,530 - and I can get away with these sins. - Yes. 545 00:25:05,530 --> 00:25:07,370 I can do these awful things 546 00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:09,800 and I'll be forgiven. 547 00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:15,700 He had several personalities. 548 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,630 And when he'd start talking in tongues, he'd say, 549 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:19,770 "I'm talking in tongues. 550 00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:21,700 I'm getting in touch with God." 551 00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:24,500 Just made up words. 552 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,500 Things that I couldn't even repeat 553 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:27,970 'cause I don't even know. 554 00:25:29,530 --> 00:25:30,700 Jim really felt 555 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,370 he was on a higher spiritual plane. 556 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,970 As I was playing Barbies one time, 557 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:38,400 he came into my room 558 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,730 and he, like, put his hands out like this. 559 00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:42,600 And he goes like this. 560 00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:46,930 And I'm like, "Okay, this is weird. 561 00:25:46,930 --> 00:25:48,700 And he's like, "Do you feel my power?" 562 00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:52,530 And I knew-- I was, like, okay. 563 00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:54,430 So if I say yes, 564 00:25:54,430 --> 00:25:55,400 he'll leave me alone 565 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,600 so I can continue doing what I'm doing. 566 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,300 But if I say no, there's going to be a problem. 567 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:00,770 So I'm just going to agree 568 00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:02,670 that I feel his power. 569 00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:05,670 'Cause I know that if I agree to this, he's going to leave. 570 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:09,070 So I was like, "Yes, Dad, I feel your power." 571 00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:11,500 And then he, like, stood there for another minute, 572 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,900 and then he smiled, and then he, like, walked out. 573 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,770 He also believed that he had many other lives. 574 00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:24,200 He really felt like he was Moses reincarnated. 575 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,170 He was like a messiah. 576 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,970 It's like there were things 577 00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:32,670 that Jim was doing that were so... 578 00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:35,330 wacky. 579 00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:49,900 All right. 580 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:54,900 "Romans 23. For all have sinned 581 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,900 and fall short of the glory of God." 582 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,000 So, I'm just going to google that. 583 00:27:02,530 --> 00:27:04,830 "Romans 23 means 584 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:07,070 Paul sums up this section of his letter 585 00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:10,530 and the entire gospel in this one famous verse. 586 00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:12,430 He compares the two types of lives 587 00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:13,400 he has been describing. 588 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,070 Those without Christ are slaves to sin. 589 00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:21,370 Their work of sinfulness earns a paycheck of death. 590 00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:23,770 No matter how good a person may think they are, 591 00:27:23,770 --> 00:27:25,330 their work can never be good enough. 592 00:27:25,330 --> 00:27:29,770 And ultimately, they have only themselves to blame 593 00:27:29,770 --> 00:27:31,870 for sinning against God." 594 00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:34,000 There's a common theme of him-- 595 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,830 He knows he's battling an evil. 596 00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:37,730 And he is, like... 597 00:27:38,530 --> 00:27:39,770 I mean, desperate 598 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,330 to be saved from that evil. 599 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,730 And it shows me 600 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,070 that... 601 00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:49,570 you know, he knew what he was doing. 602 00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:52,800 He knew exactly what he was doing. 603 00:27:58,130 --> 00:28:00,330 He had this, um, presence. 604 00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:03,470 I mean, he'd walk into a room, and the room was altered. 605 00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:06,130 He changed the feel of a room. 606 00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:07,700 And depending on his... 607 00:28:08,430 --> 00:28:10,000 mindset, I suppose, 608 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,830 he either was the most charming man 609 00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:14,600 you were ever going to meet, 610 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,230 or he was your worst nightmare. 611 00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:22,570 So I had seen some of the, like, mental instability. 612 00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:25,400 I had seen these kind of morphs of personalities 613 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,170 popping in once in a while. 614 00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:32,570 One time, he starts talking about this woman that... 615 00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:35,300 Everything-- He hates this woman. And he would... 616 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,430 He wanted to hogtie her 617 00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:39,730 and throw her in a ditch. And I'm like, 618 00:28:39,730 --> 00:28:41,470 "That's specific." 619 00:28:45,530 --> 00:28:47,270 He would always say, "I'm gonna slit your throat. 620 00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:48,570 I'm going to slit your mom's throat, too. 621 00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:49,770 Oh, I'm going to hogtie you." 622 00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:51,830 When we'd wrestle, like, that was one of the things 623 00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:53,570 that he'd say to us. 624 00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:54,800 It's just too weird. 625 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,070 Who says this? 626 00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:57,400 Who says this? 627 00:28:58,330 --> 00:29:02,200 {\an8}So we google "Santa Rosa hogtie ditch." 628 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,100 Santa Rosa hitchhike murders pop up. 629 00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:08,570 And I was like, "Oh, shit." 630 00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:12,370 This is, like, him. 631 00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:21,200 Six, maybe seven young hitchhiking girls were 632 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,170 slain in Sonoma County. 633 00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:26,570 Several were picked up on Santa Rosa City streets. 634 00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:27,600 We used to hitchhike, 635 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,530 but now it's not real safe to do it, so we don't. 636 00:29:29,530 --> 00:29:30,530 Why did you quit? 637 00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:33,030 Um, because of all the weird things 638 00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:34,370 that have been happening 639 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:35,600 with the girls. 640 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,330 Thousands of man hours have gone 641 00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:39,030 into solving the bizarre murders 642 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:39,930 in Santa Rosa. 643 00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:42,870 We've got six unsolved homicides 644 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:43,770 in Sonoma County, 645 00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:45,170 and we're looking for some assistance 646 00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:46,530 from the good people. 647 00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:49,030 They're offering a $10,000 reward 648 00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:52,270 for the arrest and conviction of the killer of those girls. 649 00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:54,330 So far, no takers. 650 00:29:54,330 --> 00:29:56,670 The Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders. 651 00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:59,030 They're a series of unsolved murders 652 00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:02,000 of presumably forgotten young women 653 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,930 that took place in Santa Rosa 654 00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:05,730 in the early 1970s. 655 00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:08,970 Some of them are sexually assaulted. 656 00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:12,130 All of them are thrown into ditches 657 00:30:12,130 --> 00:30:14,270 in remote areas of Santa Rosa. 658 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:16,270 A lot of them are hogtied, which is 659 00:30:16,270 --> 00:30:18,000 particularly interesting for Jim 660 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,500 because he talked about, 661 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:20,770 when he would be upset at women, 662 00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:22,300 how he would want to hogtie them 663 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:23,930 and throw them in ditches. 664 00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:28,870 The similarities are just too weird. 665 00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:29,970 All these murders have 666 00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:31,630 so many connections to Jim, 667 00:30:31,630 --> 00:30:35,000 in particular with the geographic locations that Jim was living in 668 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,530 and where these murders took place. 669 00:30:37,530 --> 00:30:39,830 Whoever the person or persons are 670 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:41,230 that are responsible for this... 671 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,100 have an affinity towards young girls. 672 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:47,300 Most of these women were the age demographic 673 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:48,900 that we know Jim liked to assault. 674 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:50,970 So, Lori Lee Kursa, 13. 675 00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:52,300 Yvonne Weber, 13. 676 00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:53,970 Maureen Sterling, 12. 677 00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:56,330 Carolyn Davis, 15. 678 00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:57,670 All were discovered nude 679 00:30:57,670 --> 00:30:59,200 with clothes missing and never found. 680 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,700 All were white, of small to medium height, 681 00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:02,970 wearing casual clothing. 682 00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:05,330 All had long hair parted in the middle. 683 00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:06,670 All had pierced ears. 684 00:31:06,670 --> 00:31:08,500 Each girl was from a broken home. 685 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:09,630 Each was hitchhiking. 686 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,030 I do remember Jim saying, 687 00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:15,970 "Don't hitchhike 'cause you could end up dead. 688 00:31:15,970 --> 00:31:17,800 You could end up raped." 689 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,570 I don't know that he actually did pick up 690 00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:22,700 hitchhikers. 691 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:25,030 But my assumption would be that... 692 00:31:25,030 --> 00:31:27,530 he definitely would, especially if it was 693 00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:29,130 a cute girl. 694 00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:31,030 They also occur 695 00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:33,930 in a really interesting time in Jim's life. 696 00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:35,270 In 1972, 697 00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:36,770 when these murders start happening, 698 00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:39,570 Jim is going through a divorce with his first wife. 699 00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:41,600 And everything that I've heard is 700 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600 that this divorce was not good. 701 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,630 It was very tumultuous. 702 00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:48,900 Jim was in a very dark period of his life 703 00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:50,730 right when these murders start happening. 704 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,430 And his ex-wife moves up 705 00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:56,130 to Santa Rosa and he continues living in Half Moon Bay. 706 00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:59,230 And he is traveling on the 101 to Santa Rosa 707 00:31:59,230 --> 00:32:02,330 to see her, to stalk her in the middle of the night. 708 00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:03,670 And what's interesting is 709 00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:05,100 that all of these girls are 710 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:09,000 last seen either hitchhiking near or on the 101. 711 00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:12,870 He believes women to be garbage. 712 00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:15,570 And that's the reason that he dumps them 713 00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:19,200 just like someone would dump litter alongside the road. 714 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,370 He knows Santa Rosa 715 00:32:21,370 --> 00:32:23,470 like the back of his hand. He grew up there. 716 00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:25,870 A mad killer has been at work. 717 00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:27,970 He will probably kill again. 718 00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:31,670 He would know exactly where to dump a body 719 00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:32,570 and not get caught. 720 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:45,900 So there's one woman. 721 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:47,930 She's dedicated huge chunks of her life 722 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:50,370 to keep the memory of these girls alive, 723 00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:52,400 to fight for the justice for them, 724 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,900 to seek answers. 725 00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,730 And that's Deb Silva. 726 00:32:56,730 --> 00:32:58,730 She runs this website called 727 00:32:58,730 --> 00:33:00,470 SantaRosaHitchhikeMurders.com. 728 00:33:00,470 --> 00:33:02,830 and she is the unofficial gatekeeper 729 00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:05,670 of the Santa Rosa hitchhike murders. 730 00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:07,270 I'm very excited to talk to her. 731 00:33:07,270 --> 00:33:09,270 She's got an amazing archive. 732 00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:13,670 And I really want to see what she knows 733 00:33:13,670 --> 00:33:15,700 that might help me figure out 734 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:19,430 if Jim was this guy or not. 735 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,330 - Hi. - Hi. Sierra? 736 00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:30,470 Yeah, Deb. 737 00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:31,500 - Good. - So nice to meet you. 738 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,630 Yeah, it's nice to meet you too. 739 00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:35,170 Yeah, I would love to talk to you 740 00:33:35,170 --> 00:33:37,000 about my mom's stepdad. 741 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,630 Okay. 742 00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:41,000 There's a lot of things that he said or did 743 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,570 or places that he lived 744 00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:45,970 that really connect 745 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:48,530 to the Santa Rosa hitchhike murders. 746 00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:50,100 I'd love to hear what you have to say 747 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,770 and see if we can get anything to mesh together. 748 00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:55,230 Yeah. I'm very excited. 749 00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:56,130 I certainly want to see 750 00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:58,130 - these cases solved. - Me too. 751 00:33:58,130 --> 00:34:01,330 I had lived here for about a year 752 00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:03,170 before a neighbor asked me, he says, 753 00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:04,430 "Well, how do you like living 754 00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:06,130 where all those bodies were found?" 755 00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:08,730 And I was like, "What?" 756 00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:09,970 This is Franz Valley 757 00:34:09,970 --> 00:34:11,070 where they were found. 758 00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:12,200 Three of them. 759 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,000 Three young women brutally murdered. 760 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,100 There may be a trail that links these murders 761 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:17,530 with others throughout 762 00:34:17,530 --> 00:34:20,370 Three girls were found on the property. 763 00:34:20,370 --> 00:34:23,770 Maureen, Yvonne, and Carolyn. 764 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,770 And I was just amazed. 765 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:28,730 There were a total of eight girls killed 766 00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:30,530 in two years. 767 00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:34,070 So my grandfather's name was Jim Mordecai. 768 00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:36,430 - He grew up here in Santa Rosa. - Uh-huh. 769 00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:38,100 He was a serial rapist 770 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,470 and his demographic of-- 771 00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:42,600 - like, the age group was-- - Mm-hmm. 772 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,970 ...12 to about 19. 773 00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:48,600 Well, okay. That's about the same age as the girls... 774 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,070 - Yeah. - from the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders. 775 00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:53,900 And he loved to talk 776 00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,900 about hog-tying women. 777 00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:57,370 That must have been scary 778 00:34:57,370 --> 00:34:59,530 for whoever was listening to him. 779 00:34:59,530 --> 00:35:01,200 Yeah. So, my mom had heard it 780 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,630 and then my uncles and my aunts. 781 00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:05,400 It was a common theme in the house 782 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,070 that he would, like, take them 783 00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:08,000 and grab them by the feet. 784 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,130 "I'm hog-tying you" 785 00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:10,070 or "You're old enough. 786 00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:11,630 You need to learn how to hog-tie." 787 00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:15,130 Theresa Walsh was hog tied. 788 00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:16,830 She was found underwater 789 00:35:16,830 --> 00:35:18,330 in Mark West Springs Creek. 790 00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:19,630 The Jane Doe, 791 00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:21,970 who was found in a ravine, 792 00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:22,830 {\an8}there was evidence 793 00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:24,700 {\an8}that she too had been hog-tied. 794 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,370 {\an8}In March of 1972, 795 00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:30,100 {\an8}Kim Allen went missing. 796 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:31,870 {\an8}She left work 797 00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:34,000 {\an8}and hitchhiked a ride 798 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,870 to the freeway on-ramp 799 00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:39,170 so she could hitchhike to Santa Rosa. 800 00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:41,470 That was the last anyone had ever seen of her. 801 00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:45,630 Kim was found about 20 feet down an embankment, 802 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,900 face down, nude, 803 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,800 with one earring. 804 00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:52,530 There was marks that she had been tied 805 00:35:52,530 --> 00:35:55,430 around her wrists and ankles. 806 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:57,300 The jewelry that is found-- 807 00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,230 or missing or found-- 808 00:35:59,230 --> 00:36:01,000 - Right. - ...at certain crime scenes, 809 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,330 that's something that has always been 810 00:36:02,330 --> 00:36:04,470 a really big interest to me, 811 00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:06,170 because when Jim died-- 812 00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:08,270 - Mm-hmm. - ...they were going through his house 813 00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:11,700 and my mom found a box, 814 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:14,930 like, a little box full of one-off pieces of jewelry. 815 00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:15,830 Really? 816 00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:19,870 And in that box of jewelry, 817 00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:20,730 I'm like, "Whose is this?" 818 00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:23,230 This is like, shitty 1970s jewelry. 819 00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:25,030 Like-- but there's like 820 00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:27,670 not full matches of anything. 821 00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:28,870 And I started asking everybody, 822 00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:30,200 "Whose is this?" 823 00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:32,870 And... 824 00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:35,170 I'm thinking to myself, 825 00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:39,930 why is there only one earring in here? 826 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:42,070 Whose jewelry is this? 827 00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:43,130 And she's like, "I don't know." 828 00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:44,730 It's not the girls'. 829 00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:45,970 But it's random stuff. 830 00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:47,700 And she didn't know whose it was. 831 00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:50,330 It freaked everybody out so much 832 00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:52,470 because they were like, why does he have 833 00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:54,330 this little girl jewelry? 834 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,130 Right. 835 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:57,230 She still has the earrings? 836 00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:58,930 I don't know what happened to the box right now. 837 00:36:58,930 --> 00:37:00,370 - Oh. - That's what I'm trying to figure out. 838 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,270 And in terms of, like, 839 00:37:02,270 --> 00:37:04,430 where they're found, 840 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:06,000 I mean, how well do you think 841 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,630 you'd have to know Santa Rosa 842 00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:09,800 to find that area? 843 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,870 I think you would have to know that area fairly well. 844 00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:14,870 Mm-hmm. 845 00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:20,000 It would be somebody that lived in the vicinity 846 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,100 or perhaps somebody that liked to take drives 847 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:25,670 and would drive on the back roads 848 00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:26,600 all the time. 849 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,330 My grandfather, Jim, though, 850 00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:31,530 that's something that everybody says about him, 851 00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:32,900 that he loved to go for drives 852 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,070 and that he would disappear for hours on a drive. 853 00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:37,000 - Right. - And nobody knew where he went. 854 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,170 And he's the king of the back road. 855 00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:41,130 Yeah, yeah. 856 00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:42,670 No. There was no GPS back then. 857 00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:43,900 - You had to know the roads. - Yeah. 858 00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:46,100 I would like to take you around 859 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,870 to show you exactly where 860 00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:50,730 all of the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murder victims were found. 861 00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:52,830 Okay. 862 00:37:52,830 --> 00:37:55,370 I have spoken to three or four 863 00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:57,400 of the victims' families. 864 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,900 I've spoken to Kim Allen's older sister, 865 00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:04,670 who, to this day, is completely devastated 866 00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:05,830 by her sister's murder. 867 00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:09,470 Kim's father, 868 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,570 he had an enormous amount of guilt 869 00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:14,070 because he had refused 870 00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:15,600 to get her a car she wanted. 871 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,270 If he had bought her the car, 872 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:19,670 she wouldn't have been hitchhiking. 873 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:22,530 And he carried that with him through life. 874 00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:25,300 {\an8}The same was true with Maureen's family. 875 00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:26,830 {\an8}As a parent, 876 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,530 of course you're going to feel guilt. 877 00:38:29,530 --> 00:38:31,770 There's something you should have done differently. 878 00:38:34,070 --> 00:38:38,170 I think, maybe in seeing someone, um... 879 00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:41,170 named and hopefully, you know, punished 880 00:38:41,170 --> 00:38:42,700 for what they have done 881 00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:45,700 might bring some sort of resolution to them. 882 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,400 We've had three bodies deposited 883 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,600 in the same location over the last year or so. 884 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,130 I think you can draw a conclusion 885 00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:57,630 that, in all probability, 886 00:38:57,630 --> 00:39:00,700 the same individual or individuals are involved. 887 00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:08,300 We're headed towards Franz Valley Road. 888 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,030 This is Yvonne and Maureen and-- 889 00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:12,570 Yvonne and Carolyn Davis. 890 00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:14,200 ...and Carolyn Davis. - Yes. 891 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,100 {\an8}Yvonne and Maureen were the first to go missing 892 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:22,370 {\an8}in February of 1972. 893 00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:24,970 They were students together 894 00:39:24,970 --> 00:39:27,270 at Slater Junior High 895 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:32,130 and they were not found until December of 1972. 896 00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:37,900 You can walk down here 897 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:39,670 and you can see a little bit better. 898 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:43,070 Here we are. 899 00:39:43,070 --> 00:39:44,670 There, you can see a little bit of a creek 900 00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:46,100 - down there. - Mm-hmm. 901 00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,770 And there's a little bridge over the creek. 902 00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:49,600 The bridge was not there. 903 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,270 Yvonne and Maureen were 904 00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:53,430 the first two bodies found here. 905 00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:55,330 And they really weren't bodies. 906 00:39:55,330 --> 00:39:58,400 They were skeletal remains. 907 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,970 Two kids had driven up on their bicycles. 908 00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:04,770 One of the boys came across the skull 909 00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:08,300 and the boys thought that was really neat. 910 00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:10,670 So they took the skull 911 00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:12,370 and they took it home. 912 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,530 {\an8}When Carolyn was found 913 00:40:14,530 --> 00:40:17,300 {\an8}about seven or eight months later, 914 00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,670 a motorcyclist was driving down this road. 915 00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:22,400 He had been a Vietnam veteran 916 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,400 and he knew what decomp smelled like. 917 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,800 - He knew. - Instantly. 918 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,100 He knew instantly 919 00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,200 - what that smell was. - Mm-hmm. 920 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,570 And Carolyn was ten or so feet 921 00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:34,730 from where Maureen and Yvonne had been found. 922 00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:36,700 It's like you're just throwing away trash. 923 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:37,970 - Right. - And that's-- 924 00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:38,930 Exactly. 925 00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:40,570 And that's how the girls were treated, 926 00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:41,670 as if they were trash. 927 00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:43,300 Mm-hmm. 928 00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:46,300 There were a couple of pieces of jewelry found 929 00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:49,530 at the site where Maureen and Yvonne were found. 930 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,230 One was an earring. 931 00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:54,370 Of course, the amount of time that had gone by 932 00:40:54,370 --> 00:40:56,300 from when they went missing 933 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,200 and when they were found was quite a long time. 934 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,330 The second earring 935 00:41:00,330 --> 00:41:03,800 or if the other girl had a pair of earrings on, 936 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,030 they could be buried in the dirt, 937 00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,830 or an animal or a crow, 938 00:41:08,830 --> 00:41:12,400 a raccoon or something could have carried it off. 939 00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:15,030 Um... 940 00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:17,200 Yes, the killer could have taken them. 941 00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:25,100 Hi. 942 00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:26,500 Hey. 943 00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:28,030 I wanted to talk to you 944 00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:29,830 because something that keeps coming up is 945 00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:31,600 that jewelry box. 946 00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:33,070 Mmm. 947 00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:37,330 Can you remember what was in that box? 948 00:41:37,330 --> 00:41:40,730 It just had a random mishmash of... 949 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,730 of no matching jewelry. 950 00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:47,030 Not costume jewelry, but just cheap. 951 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:49,530 Like, um, teenager, adult jewelry. 952 00:41:49,530 --> 00:41:53,770 And can you remember anything specific? 953 00:41:53,770 --> 00:41:55,930 I remember some turquoise 954 00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:58,770 and some orange beads. 955 00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:01,800 I feel like the orange beads were maybe, like, on a hoop. 956 00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:04,070 But I definitely saw 957 00:42:04,070 --> 00:42:06,830 one earring with some orange beads. 958 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:10,930 Oh, the earring is described 959 00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:12,530 as "A circular piece 960 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,730 of what may have been gold or brass 961 00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:16,370 with filigree lace-like pattern 962 00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:17,870 from which several clear... 963 00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:21,100 orange beads are hanging." 964 00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:31,300 I just can't see a situation 965 00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,170 where a grown man has jewelry like that. 966 00:42:34,570 --> 00:42:35,470 No. 967 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,800 What happened to it? 968 00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:42,030 Like, where did it go? 969 00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:43,630 I... 970 00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:47,300 I believe we intentionally just gave it to a thrift store 971 00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:48,530 or threw it away. 972 00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:54,430 Then why not take it to the police? 973 00:42:54,430 --> 00:42:56,670 When somebody works at you for so long 974 00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:59,030 to tell you your truth is not true, 975 00:42:59,030 --> 00:43:00,200 even though you know 976 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,030 that you were terrified by this person, 977 00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:04,100 there's a part of you that blames yourself 978 00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:05,730 and questions yourself. 979 00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:09,630 And then when you are really faced with it, 980 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:12,800 it's big and it's scary. 981 00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:14,830 And I think in that moment, 982 00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:16,800 my mom and I just needed it to-- 983 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,730 just get the fuck out of here. 984 00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:20,130 - Okay. - You know? So. 985 00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:21,670 Sorry I didn't keep it. 986 00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:23,030 Okay. 987 00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:24,530 - Well, I love you. - Love you. 988 00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:25,900 - Okay, bye. - Bye. 989 00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:32,300 I get all of it, 990 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:33,630 but it's just super frustrating 991 00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:35,530 'cause if we had that, 992 00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:38,930 it would be definitive. Yes or no, I think. 993 00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:41,670 So if we don't have the actual box, 994 00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:43,030 like... 995 00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:45,130 it might as well just be-- it's hogwash. 996 00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:46,030 It doesn't matter. 997 00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:53,270 The case is very puzzling. 998 00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:54,400 So much so, in fact, 999 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,670 that Sheriff Striepeke says 1000 00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:58,200 that his men are working up against a blank wall. 1001 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,600 Most of law enforcement cases are made 1002 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,900 because some citizen out there gives you 1003 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:03,930 the information. 1004 00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:06,130 That's what we're looking for. 1005 00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:12,030 Deb said that if I am really serious 1006 00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:13,170 about this investigation, 1007 00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:15,000 I need to speak with Mary. 1008 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,500 Mary was a friend of Yvonne and Maureen's 1009 00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:20,230 and she was actually there the night 1010 00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:22,630 that Yvonne and Maureen went missing 1011 00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:23,900 at the Ice Arena. 1012 00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:27,970 It's nice to see you again. 1013 00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:29,000 Nice to see you, too. 1014 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,300 This is Mary. 1015 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:31,600 - Hi, Mary. I'm Sierra. - Mary, this is Sierra. 1016 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,700 - Hi, Sierra. Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 1017 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:37,800 Mary was a friend of Yvonne and Maureen's 1018 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,700 - and she last saw them here. - Mm-hmm. 1019 00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:44,030 I think I was the last person maybe to talk to them. 1020 00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:45,230 - Mm-hmm. - I think. 1021 00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:46,670 So I can tell you, you know, 1022 00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:48,200 kind of what went down that night. 1023 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,930 Yeah, I would love to hear that. 1024 00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:52,500 I like how it's, like, preserved in time. 1025 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,100 - Hasn't changed at all. - Yeah. 1026 00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:57,230 {\an8}So, as kids in middle school, 1027 00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:58,370 our parents would 1028 00:44:58,370 --> 00:45:00,500 - drop us off to skate. - Uh-huh. 1029 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:02,170 But what it really gave you was 1030 00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:03,700 was two to three hours of free time 1031 00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:05,430 to do what you wanted to do. - Yeah. 1032 00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:07,600 Now, some kids skated, for sure. 1033 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,430 - Others just hung out. - Mm-hmm. 1034 00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:12,530 And Maureen and Yvonne and I 1035 00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:14,870 and our friends, we were more the hangout crowd. 1036 00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:16,170 - Uh-huh. - So a lot of kids would 1037 00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:17,230 hang out outside 1038 00:45:17,230 --> 00:45:18,500 and smoke cigarettes. 1039 00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:21,000 And so I was inside, 1040 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,470 sitting on the fireplace hearth, 1041 00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:25,600 and Maureen and Yvonne came in 1042 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,600 and they said, um, 1043 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,900 "Oh, we met this guy 1044 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:30,970 and he offered to share his pot 1045 00:45:30,970 --> 00:45:32,100 and we're going to smoke pot 1046 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:33,630 - with this guy." - Mm-hmm. 1047 00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:35,230 "Do you want to come with us?" 1048 00:45:35,230 --> 00:45:38,000 And, so my first thought was, 1049 00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:39,630 "What guy?" 1050 00:45:39,630 --> 00:45:40,830 'Cause, honestly, 1051 00:45:41,470 --> 00:45:42,430 you know, when you're 13, 1052 00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:43,800 if it was a cute ninth grader, 1053 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,700 I might have gone. I might have gone, right? 1054 00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:46,970 So I want to know, what guy? 1055 00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:49,500 So they said, "Oh, he's waiting down the hall 1056 00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:51,430 in the lobby for us." 1057 00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:53,500 So I took a few steps, 1058 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,900 looked down the hallway to the lobby 1059 00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,130 - where I could see the guy. - Mm-hmm. 1060 00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:01,470 And immediately I could tell he was older than us. 1061 00:46:01,470 --> 00:46:02,930 - He was not our peer. - Yeah. 1062 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:04,530 He was not skating. 1063 00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:06,430 He had been outside 1064 00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:07,570 and must have talked 1065 00:46:07,570 --> 00:46:10,100 to them and now was waiting for them to leave. 1066 00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:12,830 I didn't feel comfortable about it. 1067 00:46:12,830 --> 00:46:15,830 - I said, "No, thanks." - I'm good. 1068 00:46:15,830 --> 00:46:16,800 "Have fun." 1069 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,130 And I stayed in the Ice Arena 1070 00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:21,030 and they were really never seen again. 1071 00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:22,130 Uh-huh. 1072 00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:24,670 What felt really unusual was, 1073 00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:26,770 if you were a pot-smoking middle schooler, 1074 00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:27,970 you had long hair. 1075 00:46:27,970 --> 00:46:29,300 - Okay. - If you were a guy. 1076 00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:31,770 - Uh-huh. - It's just the look, right? 1077 00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:34,570 And he had short, dark hair. 1078 00:46:34,570 --> 00:46:36,470 So he looked almost more like a teacher to me. 1079 00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:37,570 You know? 1080 00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,500 Did he have any other defining features? 1081 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:44,400 Um, he just had short-- 1082 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,570 uh, I would call it dark black hair. 1083 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:47,700 - Uh-huh. - Caucasian. 1084 00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:48,730 Slender. 1085 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,200 5'10 or something. Um... 1086 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,300 And he was wearing a denim jacket. 1087 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,800 So I wanted to meet with you 1088 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,400 because my mother's stepfather was 1089 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,730 a really terrible man 1090 00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:05,930 and he grew up here in Santa Rosa. 1091 00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:08,470 He was born in 1941, 1092 00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:13,000 so around this time, he was probably in his early 30s. 1093 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,200 I'm trying to figure out who exactly he was 1094 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,730 and it's led me to Yvonne and Maureen. 1095 00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:22,330 And I would love to show you 1096 00:47:22,330 --> 00:47:25,900 a picture of him around 1970-71. 1097 00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:27,330 - Mm-hmm. - And see, if at all, 1098 00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:29,970 he resembles maybe the person you might have seen. 1099 00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:34,500 This is him in 1971 and '70. 1100 00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:38,770 So this is, like, 1970, 1101 00:47:38,770 --> 00:47:42,800 1970 and 71, he starts to grow these sideburns. 1102 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,530 And he didn't always wear the glasses. 1103 00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:52,370 Oh, God, you're really freaking me out. 1104 00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:53,930 Well, I have to say 1105 00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:56,070 he looks a lot like him. 83913

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