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Jim Mordecai is...
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...a human that chosethe wrong path.
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You haveto know that, at one point,
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he probably was a victim,
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and somewhere along that line,he became the perpetrator.
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He was a very hot
football player, apparently.
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He wouldtalk about it all the time.
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{\an8}In Half Moon Bay,he was definitely a leader.
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It wasreally his identity.
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And he got a full-ridescholarship to UCLA
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to play football for them.
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The Mordecais,
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they were kind of this,like, you know,
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good old American family.
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And then he went and got
his girlfriend pregnant.
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And he lost the scholarship
because of that.
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And then he hadto get married,
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had to support a family,
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and that wasn't
what he wanted.
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He didn't want that.
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And I'm wondering if that's
when he lost it, mentally.
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There's a lot of peoplethat still to this day
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look up to him,but on the interior,
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it's far darker.
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I thinkJim held it against women
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that he wasn't ableto have the life
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he thought he should have.
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And all the other women arethe ones that are gonna pay.
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He was playing out
his pain, his rage
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on all of them.
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So I brought my yearbooks.
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I thought we could just
look through 'em
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- and see what
it was like when... - Okay.
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...I was here.
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Hey.
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This still looks
pretty much the same.
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Here's Jim.
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Yeah, so the FFA,
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you know,
Future Farmers of America.
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That's a big portion
of our high school.
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That's a big club.
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And I didn't know
anything about FFA.
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In the very beginning
of school,
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you can go to these tables
and figure out...
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{\an8}- What club you want to be in.
- ...what club you want to be in.
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{\an8}- And people were
definitely recruiting. - Mm-hmm.
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So Jim would have been at
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- the recruiting table.
- He would have been recruiting for sure.
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Hypothetically, he could
see cute girls and be like,
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"Oh, you should join."
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Yeah.
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And I'm thinking...
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{\an8}- He did that to you?
- May... Yeah.
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So there were rumors thathe was sleeping with students.
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But what I'm realizing now is
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he started rumorsabout students.
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He would talk about
one girl that
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I'm pretty sure
he had groomed and...
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He would talk about
how she smelled.
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Like, she smelled like fish.
This is in class.
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That she's just a whore.
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And the rumors were
anything from actual
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full-blown rape in there to,
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"If you want an A,
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you're going to
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perform sexual acts on me."
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When I got outof high school, like,
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one or two years later,all of a sudden, Jim,
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he just was gonna retire
and do landscaping.
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He just quit. He's not gonna
teach anymore.
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You know, usually
when people retire
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after such a long career
somewhere with,
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you know, being
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the revered teacher
that you are
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at that point in your career,
you would have, like,
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some fanfare.
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There was nothing.
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I rememberkind of asking, like,"Wasn't there a party or,
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like, what,
aren't you excited?"
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No, he's just gonna
pursue landscaping.
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I just started askingeverybody I know,
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"Do you know anything?
Do you know anything?
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Do you know anything?"
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And one of my friends said,
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"Hey, get in touch
with this girl.
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Something happened with her."
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I get in touch with her and...
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she says,
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"I had this
experience with him."
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They end up at Jim's ranch.
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And he...
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starts chasing her around.
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She had to, like, outsmart him
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and get him to snap out of it
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and take her
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back to where her car was.
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She went to a school counselor
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and told himwhat had happened.
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He said something like,
"Hey, now we have it.
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We have something
and we can get rid of him."
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And they went to him
and asked him to leave.
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And he never taught again.
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So I'm on a Half Moon Bayhigh school alumni page.
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I thought that it wouldbe good to post something
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with the intention
of letting other
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victims know thatthey weren't alone.
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"Over the years,
it has come to light
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that my stepdad, Mr. Mordecai,
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made some students'
high school experiences
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a traumatic one.
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Mordecai passed away
about ten years ago,
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and since then,
female students
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from varying classes
over the decades
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have come forward with
extremely similar stories,
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where it appears Mordecai had
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a pattern of abuse
and manipulation.
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If anyone here
was affected by him
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and wishes
to share their story
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and find a group of women who
share their experience,
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feel free to DM me."
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I felt like I was
doing a good deed.
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And apparently,
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according to many people
in town, I was not.
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"He's not alive
to speak for himself. This is so inappropriate."
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"Mr. Mordecai
was a great teacher,
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and I was in class
with him for four years.
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A professional.
A really nice guy."
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"Not the platform,
especially when he's not here
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to defend himself
against any allegations."
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"He was a great teacher
and mentor.
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Nothing but respect for him."
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Capital letters,
"No problems at all."
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"This is so inappropriate
to put on Facebook."
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People agree, agree, agree.
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I mean, it just was like
poof, poof, poof, poof, poof.
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I was surprised at
how awful it felt.
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Why would you ever
come forward if you have this?
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You know?
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Nobody would chime in.
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Nobody except for Trish.
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Trish wasthe best friend of Christi.
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And Jim told me that
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in high school,
Trish had a crush on him,
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and he hadto really work hard to,
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you know, keep her at bay.
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I think he wouldwatch for a while
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and kind of see what girls...
Like, he'd learn.
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Maybe they didn't havea good thing going on at home.
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I'm cool.I'm the school teacher.
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He's gonna gain that trust.
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A lot of the girls
that he was rumored to have
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"relationships" with,
which were not,
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didn't have dads
in the picture.
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So he kind of, like,filled that in.
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He provided mentorship.
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You could tell
he was grooming people.
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Hi!
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When they put it outon social media,
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and everyone wasbashing the fact
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that he couldn'tstand up for himself.
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Before you are a survivor
of this type of situation,
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it's easy to look at it
from that angle and say,
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"Well, this is
really a witch hunt,
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and this guy
can't protect himself."
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Fact of the matter is,
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none of his victims
could protect themselves.
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Jim was a predator.
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- Mm-hmm.
- And he should've been doing
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jail time.
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There were a lotof people in the ag culture,
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the FFA culture,
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that had had Jim,
that had never been
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taken advantage of,
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and perceived him
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in a lot of ways like I had
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previously to his
actions with me.
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{\an8}High school, those werekind of tough years for me.
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{\an8}I had a really hard home lifewith my stepmom,
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{\an8}and I really was
trying to figure out
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which friend group,
you know, I fit in with.
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And, uh, the ones that were
the kindest to me were
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all the FFA kids.
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{\an8}Christi and I hung out.
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{\an8}She hada great sense of humor.
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{\an8}And I met Jim,
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{\an8}who was Christi's stepdad.
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{\an8}I thought he was a clean-cut,
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{\an8}handsome guy,albeit my dad's age,
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{\an8}but, you know, a handsome,good-looking older guy.
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I thought he was just
very responsible and very stable.
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I was very naive.
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{\an8}By the end of my junior year,
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my home life was
so bad with my stepmom.
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And so Jim knew this.
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I don't know
where the family went,
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but they all
took off somewhere.
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He asked me if I wanted
to come over.
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He said,
we'll go in the hot tub.
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And so I had my bathing suit,I had a towel.
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And he told mewhen I got there,
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{\an8}"Oh, let's havea little cream sherry."
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And then as I relaxedwith the cream sherry,
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then he said,"I can go get some weed."
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So I remember clearlysitting in the hot tub,
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pretty inebriated.
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And then he looked at me,
and he said,
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"I want to make love to you.
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And I will be really,
really gentle with you."
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And I thought,
"I got to get out of here.
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I'm in a really
dumb position now."
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And so I got upout of the hot tub,
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and I was running throughthe house, grabbing my things.
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And he was running after me.
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You know,
"It's okay, just relax."
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And I'm petrified. I'm just,
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you know, a teenager
trying to get out of there.
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I just kept going.
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I couldn't see anythingbut getting the hellout of there
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and getting into my car.
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And I get into my car,
and I'm wet.
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And I'm sitting on a towel,
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and I'm driving home,
and I'm shaking.
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I count myself
so grateful and blessed
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that it didn't happen to me,
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because I know other people
were not so lucky.
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The sign is still
the same, huh?
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Yeah, we were cougars.
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So...
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All right.
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See where that
big green building is?
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- That brown building?
- Behind the green building?
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Yeah,
that's kind of where the greenhouses were.
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And it was kind of
in the trees, too.
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But, like, he, like,
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cornered girls
in the greenhouse.
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Christi,
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you know, she starts
when she's
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pre-teen, basically.
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- And he was revered
in the town. - Yeah.
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Who's she gonna tell?
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I started high school in '79.
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Jim, of course, is a teacher
at the high school, so,
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I had to
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pretty much
go into his classes.
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And we were in the greenhouse,
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and he had cornered mein the back partof the greenhouse.
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And he grabbed me
and threw me on the ground.
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And, again, I was fighting,
and he pulled my pants down,
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sexually assaulted me.
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And it was a switchof him turning on, like,
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"Oh, okay,
let's go back to, like,
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bringing the flats
of ground cover."
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And I'm standing there,
like, "What is going on?"
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And I thought, "I cannot
believe that he did that
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on school grounds."
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Christi and Trisharen't the only girlsthat Jim victimized.
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There wereother women that I found
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who also reached out to me
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that had stories,
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but they didn'tto appear on camera.
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But we founda woman named Val Richey
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who now livesin Bellingham, Washington,
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and she is an alumni ofHalf Moon Bay High School.
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She graduated in 1982.
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I've had a few
phone conversations with her,
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and I know she has
a story with Jim
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that she's been kind enough
to want to share with me.
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- Hello.
- Hi.
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- How are you?
- Good.
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- Nice to finally meet you.
- I know.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Uh, so,
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- can I ask you some questions?
- Well, welcome to Bellingham. Absolutely. Yeah.
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- You want to come
meet the dogs? - Oh, God, yeah.
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Hi, guys.
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- Hi. Come on in.
- Hi. Oh, my gosh.
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Yep.
This is the gang.
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So I wanted
to ask you, like,
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more... I'm trying
to understand more about
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Jim and Half Moon Bay.
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So what was it like
growing up there?
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He was the person
or the instructor
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that I took my courses from,
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and he was the instructorthat I also TA'd for.
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He seemedlike a really nice teacher,
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and he was pretty laid-back.
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He was very much a part
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{\an8}of my daily life.
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{\an8}Between my juniorand senior year,
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I was involved in FFA.
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So FFA isFuture Farmers of America,
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and he knew I was horse crazy,
and he said,
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"Hey, you know, if you want
to help take care
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of Christi's horse,
you can ride him."
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And so I was like,"That would be amazing."
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So I felt privileged
and maybe special,
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not ever thinking that
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there would be a price
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for these privileges.
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I guess I want to
know more, I guess, details,
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- if you don't mind
sharing them. - Yeah.
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So what happened?
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Yeah. So Jim
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had invited me to go with him
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to take our horse withher new foal to this farm,
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and I'd never seena breeding facility.
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This was, like,you know, like,
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a great opportunity.
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It was a Saturday.
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My mom dropped me off
at the school,
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where I was supposed
to meet with Jim,
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and we were gonna
drive to Dixon.
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And Dixon, California, is
I think about...
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- Like, what, two hours?
- Yeah, maybe two to...
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- A little more.
- More.
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Anyway, we got
to the breeding facility,
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and there was no tour.
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None of the things happened
that I...
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So I was kind of
bummed and disappointed.
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Like, we literally
dropped her off, and then...
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- So he had built
this whole story... - Yes.
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- Yes. Right.
- ...that you guys were gonna go get a tour
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- and watch this happen.
- Right.
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Absolutely. Yeah, that's...
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Yeah, unfortunately,none of that happened.
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We had lunch.
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And I was naively thinking,
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"Oh, good,now we'll just go home.
328
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But then he wanted to
take me to his family cabin.
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It became apparent that
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the tour of the farm was
never actually on the agenda.
331
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- Mm-hmm.
- It was the motive to get me to go with him.
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You know, I knew then that
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it was not gonna end well.
334
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And I remember thinkingat the time...
335
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"Well, let's see,I have no money.
336
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I have no way to get home.
I have no idea where I am.
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Like, I guess
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I am just going
to do my best to survive."
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And my focus was just
getting home.
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He became aggressive
and was trying to, like,
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herd me into
the living room and...
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And at that point,
he was like, you know,
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"I want to have sex.
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I just knew,for whatever reason,
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if I fought with him on that,
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it was not gonnaend well for me.
347
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- I just knew.
- Mm-hmm.
348
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He could hurt me. And there's
not much I could do about it.
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I was shattered.
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My whole life,
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everything that I had thoughtabout things was over.
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If somebody is capable
of doing that to you,
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you don't really know
what else they're capable of,
354
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and why would you want
to find out?
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So I think he knew thatI wouldn't say anything.
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I don't know how he knew that.
357
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- Mm-hmm.- And it was true.
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And I thought, literally,
I was the only one.
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If I'd known
there were others,
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maybe I would have
been more brave,
361
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but I was, yeah,
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I just kept it to myself.
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Unless he had gone to jail,
364
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- which I don't think would
have happened back then. - Yeah. Yeah.
365
00:16:46,270 --> 00:16:48,100
- I don't think
he would have stopped. - Yeah.
366
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Listening to Christi,Trish, and now Val's stories
367
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has been really,really difficult for me.
368
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In 2018, I wassexually assaulted again.
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This time, by a friend.
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And being somebodywho came forward
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about my own sexual assaults
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and was traumatized
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and people believed,
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but objectively didn'tgive a shit,
375
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I get it.
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I spoke up.
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And every single time,
378
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nobody cared about mebut my mom.
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Nobody.
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When you do speak up...
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the onus is somehow put on
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the victim rather than
the person that did
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that action.
384
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Why didn't you go to
the police when that happened,
385
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you think?
386
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Because I was drunk,
and I didn't think that they would believe me.
387
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:55,870
Oh.
388
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I get whywomen wouldn't want
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to come forwardabout this stuff.
390
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And I used tojudge people for not
391
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speaking up,but I didn't realize...I didn't understand.
392
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I didn't understand
393
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where when things like that
were happening to girls,
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they didn't talk about it.
395
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You couldn't 'cause it
would automatically...
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I mean, you would have
everybody against you.
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They're manipulated to think
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that it was their fault.
399
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I ask myself all the time
why I didn't go to the cops.
400
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And I think for a long time,
401
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and maybe even now,
402
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I had some sort of shame.
403
00:18:36,970 --> 00:18:38,900
I'm just...
404
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It's just disheartening
that it's...
405
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Not much has changed.
406
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:47,930
I don't know
what the answer is.
407
00:18:49,870 --> 00:18:51,030
I don't either.
408
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,530
And unfortunately,
change is slow, and...
409
00:18:55,530 --> 00:18:58,430
- This is gonna...
It might be slow. - Mm-hmm.
410
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But when I see you...
411
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,770
hopefully, you'll be
part of the change.
412
00:19:10,330 --> 00:19:12,970
- I'm proud of you.
- I'm trying.
413
00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:28,370
I saw firsthand what happenswhen you silence people.
414
00:19:28,370 --> 00:19:32,430
And Jim was a man whosaw things that he wanted,
415
00:19:32,430 --> 00:19:33,530
stole it from people...
416
00:19:35,030 --> 00:19:37,800
and intimidated theminto silence.
417
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,730
And I want my familyto be free of that.
418
00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:44,130
I want them to befree to speak up.
419
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,630
I want us to exist, and I want
420
00:19:47,630 --> 00:19:50,100
all the womento exist outside of him.
421
00:19:52,270 --> 00:19:54,700
How's it been for everyone
talking about Jim again?
422
00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:58,930
- Oh, boy.
- Mm-hmm.
423
00:19:58,930 --> 00:20:01,170
- A lot, huh?
- Mm-hmm.
424
00:20:01,170 --> 00:20:03,900
You know, there were
a lot of things that I
425
00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:06,370
came across as I was thinking.
426
00:20:06,370 --> 00:20:09,030
Everything that he said,
it wasn't true.
427
00:20:10,270 --> 00:20:11,670
Yeah.
428
00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:14,270
I have this memory that
you were bathing me,
429
00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:16,100
and he was, like, watching.
430
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:18,700
And then the minute that
we, like, started to go out,
431
00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:19,670
he just, like,
432
00:20:19,670 --> 00:20:21,700
- whoop, disappeared.
- Oh.
433
00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:25,030
Maybe it wasn't so much to see
a little girl's naked body,
434
00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:27,870
but more because
he was listening in. - Yeah.
435
00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:29,870
Yeah, he did listen
in on lots of stuff.
436
00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:32,170
Like, I would call her.
437
00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:35,300
"Are you safe? Are you safe?
Are you okay? Are you okay?"
438
00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:36,570
After I'd heard about Christi,
439
00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:38,270
'cause Jaime told me
about Christi.
440
00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:40,530
He raped Christi.
441
00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:43,300
Did you know
that he raped her?
442
00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:45,730
Well, when I first heard
about it,
443
00:20:45,730 --> 00:20:47,230
Janae told me.
444
00:20:47,230 --> 00:20:49,470
- Wow.
- But he told me it's not true.
445
00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:51,670
And he had built up your mom
446
00:20:51,670 --> 00:20:53,830
as being this
horrible, horrible person.
447
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:57,400
- And I go, "Really?"
- 'Cause back then, we didn't even know that.
448
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,100
...making these lies
to get us.
449
00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:04,100
I believed him when he said
he didn't molest Christi.
450
00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:06,330
He said Janae had made it up.
451
00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:08,070
And I believed him,
452
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:12,270
because it's so hard
for me to even imagine
453
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that he could have
done something like that.
454
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:20,370
What did you tell me
when he was
455
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in your apartment
456
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:25,170
and you guys were
looking at the view and...
457
00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:27,800
'Cause I'm only, like,
remembering pieces of this.
458
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,830
He just,
459
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:32,100
out of the blue, said,
460
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:35,170
uh, "You know,
461
00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:38,030
Christi and I,
Christi and I had an affair."
462
00:21:38,770 --> 00:21:39,970
She was a little kid.
463
00:21:39,970 --> 00:21:42,500
How can a little kid
have an affair?
464
00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:45,600
Exactly. And that's where
we went with it.
465
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,500
And he said,
466
00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:49,330
"Well, you know,
you were young,
467
00:21:49,330 --> 00:21:50,770
your mom was
really distracted.
468
00:21:50,770 --> 00:21:53,130
She was just kind of,
you know...
469
00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:55,430
We lost our way." Or whatever.
It was something like that.
470
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:59,200
And he's like,
"Christi was there. We connected."
471
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,300
And I said,
"Well, wait a minute. If I was young,"
472
00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:03,500
I said, "How old was she?"
How old was Christi?"
473
00:22:04,270 --> 00:22:05,930
And he said,
474
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:08,370
and I could
see him get, like, "Mm."
475
00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,000
He was, like, "13."
476
00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:15,230
Part of me was,like, he got out of this world
477
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:18,130
without anyone ever
standing up and saying,
478
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"This is what you did to me."
479
00:22:22,330 --> 00:22:24,600
I don't know what he had
on people in that town
480
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,970
to get away with what
he has gotten away with.
481
00:22:34,530 --> 00:22:37,470
I think,given all the factsthat we know,
482
00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:40,000
we know he wasa serial rapist. - Yeah.
483
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,430
And we know he was abusive.
484
00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:44,900
And he would disappear.
485
00:22:46,030 --> 00:22:47,070
I just think that...
486
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,870
the reality of
someone like that
487
00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:52,370
not having ever escalated
488
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:54,170
- Yeah.
- ...past rape,
489
00:22:54,170 --> 00:22:56,930
potentially to killing people,
490
00:22:56,930 --> 00:23:00,970
I think it's not out of
his wheelhouse at all.
491
00:23:00,970 --> 00:23:02,530
Well, I agree
with you on that.
492
00:23:02,530 --> 00:23:06,300
I mean, if you're a,
like, serial rapist,
493
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:08,700
like, raping women for fun
494
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or whatever the hell
you're doing it for,
495
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:12,300
I mean, you gotta...
496
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:16,100
There's certain situations
that have to go wrong.
497
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:18,300
You can't bea successful serial rapist
498
00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:21,670
and not have some
damage happen sometimes.
499
00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:24,330
If you're out there
purposely hurting people,
500
00:23:24,330 --> 00:23:26,430
how could you
get away with not
501
00:23:26,430 --> 00:23:28,330
taking it
to a different level?
502
00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:40,270
Hey, so I have
503
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something that I found
when I was looking.
504
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,630
- Mm-hmm.
- Um,
505
00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:46,270
obviously, I was looking
for pictures and things like that, and, uh...
506
00:23:46,270 --> 00:23:49,470
I found this, and I think
it's important enough
507
00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:51,300
- to pass on to you.
- Okay.
508
00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:52,600
It was...
509
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,370
We had a couple
of Bibles, but this
510
00:23:54,370 --> 00:23:56,170
is the Bible
that creeped me out.
511
00:23:56,170 --> 00:23:57,530
I had this, uh...
512
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:03,230
in my "dad's stuff,
this little box."
513
00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:04,430
I never thought
to even open it.
514
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:06,400
It was just, like,
stuck in there.
515
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Something told me to keep it.
516
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,630
I opened it
for the first time,
517
00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:12,400
and I didn't realize these are
little page markers.
518
00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:15,130
And he's literally
519
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:17,830
underlined or highlighted...
520
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:19,800
Like
a favorite verse? - ...random,
521
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,700
- like, a little random verse.
- Okay.
522
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:23,870
I mean, obviously, if this is
something that he was
523
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:26,030
taking the time
to highlight and save,
524
00:24:26,030 --> 00:24:27,900
- it meant something to him.
- Yeah.
525
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,270
So it's kind of like
a little glimpse into...
526
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:32,630
- his mind.
- Yeah.
527
00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:34,800
Exactly.
528
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,130
And some of them kind of
don't make sense.
529
00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:38,300
"For all have sinned
530
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:40,570
and fall short
of the glory of God."
531
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:44,000
When I got to the end here,
532
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,030
as I read through them,
533
00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:46,130
this one says,
534
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:47,700
"Purge me with hyssop,
535
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,300
and I shall be clean.
536
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,330
Wash me
537
00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:52,330
and I shall be whiter
than snow."
538
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:54,130
And...
539
00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:56,430
that one sent chills.
540
00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:58,130
Just 'cause it's
in that vein of, like--
541
00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:59,230
It's the vein of, like,
542
00:24:59,230 --> 00:25:01,530
- um, repent in a way.
- Yeah. Uh-huh.
543
00:25:01,530 --> 00:25:03,530
I can ask God for forgiveness,
544
00:25:03,530 --> 00:25:05,530
- and I can get away
with these sins. - Yes.
545
00:25:05,530 --> 00:25:07,370
I can do these awful things
546
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:09,800
and I'll be forgiven.
547
00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:15,700
He hadseveral personalities.
548
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,630
And when he'd start talking
in tongues, he'd say,
549
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:19,770
"I'm talking in tongues.
550
00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:21,700
I'm getting in touch
with God."
551
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:24,500
Just made up words.
552
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,500
Things that I couldn'teven repeat
553
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:27,970
'cause I don't even know.
554
00:25:29,530 --> 00:25:30,700
Jim really felt
555
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,370
he was
on a higher spiritual plane.
556
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,970
As I wasplaying Barbies one time,
557
00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:38,400
he came into my room
558
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,730
and he, like, put
his hands out like this.
559
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:42,600
And he goes like this.
560
00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:46,930
And I'm like, "Okay,
this is weird.
561
00:25:46,930 --> 00:25:48,700
And he's like,
"Do you feel my power?"
562
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:52,530
And I knew--I was, like, okay.
563
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:54,430
So if I say yes,
564
00:25:54,430 --> 00:25:55,400
he'll leave me alone
565
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,600
so I can continue doing
what I'm doing.
566
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,300
But if I say no,
there's going to be a problem.
567
00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:00,770
So I'm just going to agree
568
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:02,670
that I feel his power.
569
00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:05,670
'Cause I know that if I agree
to this, he's going to leave.
570
00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:09,070
So I was like, "Yes, Dad,
I feel your power."
571
00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:11,500
And then he, like, stood there
for another minute,
572
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,900
and then he smiled,
and then he, like, walked out.
573
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,770
He also believed that
he had many other lives.
574
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:24,200
He really felt likehe was Moses reincarnated.
575
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,170
He was like a messiah.
576
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,970
It's likethere were things
577
00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:32,670
that Jim was doingthat were so...
578
00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:35,330
wacky.
579
00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:49,900
All right.
580
00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:54,900
"Romans 23.
For all have sinned
581
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,900
and fall short
of the glory of God."
582
00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,000
So, I'm just going
to google that.
583
00:27:02,530 --> 00:27:04,830
"Romans 23 means
584
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:07,070
Paul sums up
this section of his letter
585
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:10,530
and the entire gospel
in this one famous verse.
586
00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:12,430
He compares the two types
of lives
587
00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:13,400
he has been describing.
588
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,070
Those without Christ are
slaves to sin.
589
00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:21,370
Their work of sinfulness earnsa paycheck of death.
590
00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:23,770
No matter how gooda person may think they are,
591
00:27:23,770 --> 00:27:25,330
their work can neverbe good enough.
592
00:27:25,330 --> 00:27:29,770
And ultimately, they have
only themselves to blame
593
00:27:29,770 --> 00:27:31,870
for sinning against God."
594
00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:34,000
There's a common theme
of him--
595
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,830
He knows
he's battling an evil.
596
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:37,730
And he is, like...
597
00:27:38,530 --> 00:27:39,770
I mean, desperate
598
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,330
to be saved from that evil.
599
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,730
And it shows me
600
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,070
that...
601
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:49,570
you know, he knew
what he was doing.
602
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:52,800
He knew exactly
what he was doing.
603
00:27:58,130 --> 00:28:00,330
He had this, um, presence.
604
00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:03,470
I mean, he'd walk into a room,
and the room was altered.
605
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:06,130
He changed the feel of a room.
606
00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:07,700
And depending on his...
607
00:28:08,430 --> 00:28:10,000
mindset, I suppose,
608
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,830
he either was
the most charming man
609
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:14,600
you were ever going to meet,
610
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,230
or he was
your worst nightmare.
611
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:22,570
So I had seen some of the,
like, mental instability.
612
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:25,400
I had seen these kind
of morphs of personalities
613
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,170
popping in once in a while.
614
00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:32,570
One time, he starts talking
about this woman that...
615
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:35,300
Everything-- He hates
this woman. And he would...
616
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,430
He wanted to hogtie her
617
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:39,730
and throw her in a ditch.
And I'm like,
618
00:28:39,730 --> 00:28:41,470
"That's specific."
619
00:28:45,530 --> 00:28:47,270
He would always say,"I'm gonna slit your throat.
620
00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:48,570
I'm going to slit
your mom's throat, too.
621
00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:49,770
Oh, I'm going to hogtie you."
622
00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:51,830
When we'd wrestle, like,
that was one of the things
623
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:53,570
that he'd say to us.
624
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:54,800
It's just too weird.
625
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,070
Who says this?
626
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:57,400
Who says this?
627
00:28:58,330 --> 00:29:02,200
{\an8}So we google"Santa Rosa hogtie ditch."
628
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,100
Santa Rosa
hitchhike murders pop up.
629
00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:08,570
And I was like, "Oh, shit."
630
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:12,370
This is, like, him.
631
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:21,200
Six, maybe sevenyoung hitchhiking girls were
632
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,170
slain in Sonoma County.
633
00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:26,570
Several were picked upon Santa Rosa City streets.
634
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:27,600
We used to hitchhike,
635
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,530
but now it's not real safeto do it, so we don't.
636
00:29:29,530 --> 00:29:30,530
Why did you quit?
637
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:33,030
Um, because
of all the weird things
638
00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:34,370
that have been happening
639
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:35,600
with the girls.
640
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,330
Thousandsof man hours have gone
641
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:39,030
into solvingthe bizarre murders
642
00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:39,930
in Santa Rosa.
643
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:42,870
We've got
six unsolved homicides
644
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:43,770
in Sonoma County,
645
00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:45,170
and we're looking
for some assistance
646
00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:46,530
from the good people.
647
00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:49,030
They're offering
a $10,000 reward
648
00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:52,270
for the arrest and conviction
of the killer of those girls.
649
00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:54,330
So far, no takers.
650
00:29:54,330 --> 00:29:56,670
The Santa Rosahitchhiker murders.
651
00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:59,030
They're a series
of unsolved murders
652
00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:02,000
of presumably forgotten
young women
653
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,930
that took place in Santa Rosa
654
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:05,730
in the early 1970s.
655
00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:08,970
Some of them aresexually assaulted.
656
00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:12,130
All of them are
thrown into ditches
657
00:30:12,130 --> 00:30:14,270
in remote areas of Santa Rosa.
658
00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:16,270
A lot of them arehogtied, which is
659
00:30:16,270 --> 00:30:18,000
particularly interestingfor Jim
660
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,500
because he talked about,
661
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:20,770
when he would beupset at women,
662
00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:22,300
how he would wantto hogtie them
663
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:23,930
and throw them in ditches.
664
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:28,870
The similarities are
just too weird.
665
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:29,970
Allthese murders have
666
00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:31,630
so many connections to Jim,
667
00:30:31,630 --> 00:30:35,000
in particular
with the geographic locations that Jim was living in
668
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,530
and where
these murders took place.
669
00:30:37,530 --> 00:30:39,830
Whoever the personor persons are
670
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:41,230
that are
responsible for this...
671
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,100
have an affinity
towards young girls.
672
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:47,300
Most of these women were
the age demographic
673
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:48,900
that we know
Jim liked to assault.
674
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:50,970
So, Lori Lee Kursa, 13.
675
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:52,300
Yvonne Weber, 13.
676
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:53,970
Maureen Sterling, 12.
677
00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:56,330
Carolyn Davis, 15.
678
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:57,670
All werediscovered nude
679
00:30:57,670 --> 00:30:59,200
with clothes missingand never found.
680
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,700
All were white,of small to medium height,
681
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:02,970
wearing casual clothing.
682
00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:05,330
All had long hairparted in the middle.
683
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:06,670
All had pierced ears.
684
00:31:06,670 --> 00:31:08,500
Each girl wasfrom a broken home.
685
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:09,630
Each was hitchhiking.
686
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,030
I do rememberJim saying,
687
00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:15,970
"Don't hitchhike
'cause you could end up dead.
688
00:31:15,970 --> 00:31:17,800
You could end up raped."
689
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,570
I don't know thathe actually did pick up
690
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:22,700
hitchhikers.
691
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:25,030
But my assumption would
be that...
692
00:31:25,030 --> 00:31:27,530
he definitely would,
especially if it was
693
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:29,130
a cute girl.
694
00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:31,030
They also occur
695
00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:33,930
in a really interesting timein Jim's life.
696
00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:35,270
In 1972,
697
00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:36,770
when these murders
start happening,
698
00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:39,570
Jim is going through a divorce
with his first wife.
699
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:41,600
And everything
that I've heard is
700
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600
that this divorce was
not good.
701
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,630
It was very tumultuous.
702
00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:48,900
Jim was in a very dark periodof his life
703
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:50,730
right whenthese murders start happening.
704
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,430
And his ex-wife moves up
705
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:56,130
to Santa Rosa and he continues
living in Half Moon Bay.
706
00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:59,230
And he is traveling on the 101to Santa Rosa
707
00:31:59,230 --> 00:32:02,330
to see her, to stalk herin the middle of the night.
708
00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:03,670
And what's interesting is
709
00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:05,100
that all of these girls are
710
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:09,000
last seen either hitchhikingnear or on the 101.
711
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:12,870
He believeswomen to be garbage.
712
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:15,570
And that's the reason
that he dumps them
713
00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:19,200
just like someone would dump
litter alongside the road.
714
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,370
He knows Santa Rosa
715
00:32:21,370 --> 00:32:23,470
like the back of his hand.
He grew up there.
716
00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:25,870
A mad killer hasbeen at work.
717
00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:27,970
He will probably kill again.
718
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:31,670
He would know exactly
where to dump a body
719
00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:32,570
and not get caught.
720
00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:45,900
So there's one woman.
721
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:47,930
She's dedicatedhuge chunks of her life
722
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:50,370
to keep the memoryof these girls alive,
723
00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:52,400
to fightfor the justice for them,
724
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,900
to seek answers.
725
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,730
And that's Deb Silva.
726
00:32:56,730 --> 00:32:58,730
She runs this website called
727
00:32:58,730 --> 00:33:00,470
SantaRosaHitchhikeMurders.com.
728
00:33:00,470 --> 00:33:02,830
and she isthe unofficial gatekeeper
729
00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:05,670
of the Santa Rosahitchhike murders.
730
00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:07,270
I'm very excited
to talk to her.
731
00:33:07,270 --> 00:33:09,270
She's got an amazing archive.
732
00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:13,670
And I really wantto see what she knows
733
00:33:13,670 --> 00:33:15,700
that might help me figure out
734
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:19,430
if Jim was this guy or not.
735
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,330
- Hi.
- Hi. Sierra?
736
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:30,470
Yeah, Deb.
737
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:31,500
- Good.
- So nice to meet you.
738
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,630
Yeah, it's nice
to meet you too.
739
00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:35,170
Yeah, I would
love to talk to you
740
00:33:35,170 --> 00:33:37,000
about my mom's stepdad.
741
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,630
Okay.
742
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:41,000
There's a lot of things
that he said or did
743
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,570
or places that he lived
744
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:45,970
that really connect
745
00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:48,530
to the Santa Rosa
hitchhike murders.
746
00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:50,100
I'd love to hear
what you have to say
747
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,770
and see if we can get
anything to mesh together.
748
00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:55,230
Yeah. I'm very excited.
749
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:56,130
I certainly want to see
750
00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:58,130
- these cases solved.
- Me too.
751
00:33:58,130 --> 00:34:01,330
I had lived herefor about a year
752
00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:03,170
before a neighbor asked me,he says,
753
00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:04,430
"Well, how do you like living
754
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:06,130
where all
those bodies were found?"
755
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:08,730
And I was like, "What?"
756
00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:09,970
This is
Franz Valley
757
00:34:09,970 --> 00:34:11,070
where they were found.
758
00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:12,200
Three of them.
759
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,000
Three young women
brutally murdered.
760
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,100
There may be a trailthat links these murders
761
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:17,530
with others throughout
762
00:34:17,530 --> 00:34:20,370
Three girls werefound on the property.
763
00:34:20,370 --> 00:34:23,770
Maureen, Yvonne, and Carolyn.
764
00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,770
And I was just amazed.
765
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:28,730
There were a totalof eight girls killed
766
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:30,530
in two years.
767
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:34,070
So my grandfather's name was
Jim Mordecai.
768
00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:36,430
- He grew up here
in Santa Rosa. - Uh-huh.
769
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:38,100
He was a serial rapist
770
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,470
and his demographic of--
771
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:42,600
- like, the age group was--
- Mm-hmm.
772
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,970
...12 to about 19.
773
00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:48,600
Well, okay. That's about
the same age as the girls...
774
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,070
- Yeah.
- from the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders.
775
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:53,900
And he loved to talk
776
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,900
about hog-tying women.
777
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:57,370
That must have been scary
778
00:34:57,370 --> 00:34:59,530
for whoever was
listening to him.
779
00:34:59,530 --> 00:35:01,200
Yeah. So, my mom had heard it
780
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,630
and then my uncles
and my aunts.
781
00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:05,400
It was a common theme
in the house
782
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,070
that he would, like, take them
783
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:08,000
and grab them by the feet.
784
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,130
"I'm hog-tying you"
785
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:10,070
or "You're old enough.
786
00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:11,630
You need to learn
how to hog-tie."
787
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:15,130
Theresa Walsh washog tied.
788
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:16,830
She was found underwater
789
00:35:16,830 --> 00:35:18,330
in Mark West Springs Creek.
790
00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:19,630
The Jane Doe,
791
00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:21,970
who was found in a ravine,
792
00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:22,830
{\an8}there was evidence
793
00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:24,700
{\an8}that she too hadbeen hog-tied.
794
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,370
{\an8}In March of 1972,
795
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:30,100
{\an8}Kim Allen went missing.
796
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:31,870
{\an8}She left work
797
00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:34,000
{\an8}and hitchhiked a ride
798
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,870
to the freeway on-ramp
799
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:39,170
so she could hitchhike
to Santa Rosa.
800
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:41,470
That was the lastanyone had ever seen of her.
801
00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:45,630
Kim was found about20 feet down an embankment,
802
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,900
face down, nude,
803
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,800
with one earring.
804
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:52,530
There was marksthat she had been tied
805
00:35:52,530 --> 00:35:55,430
around her wrists and ankles.
806
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:57,300
The jewelry that is found--
807
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,230
or missing or found--
808
00:35:59,230 --> 00:36:01,000
- Right.
- ...at certain crime scenes,
809
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,330
that's something
that has always been
810
00:36:02,330 --> 00:36:04,470
a really big interest to me,
811
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:06,170
because when Jim died--
812
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:08,270
- Mm-hmm.- ...they were goingthrough his house
813
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:11,700
and my mom found a box,
814
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:14,930
like, a little box full
of one-off pieces of jewelry.
815
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:15,830
Really?
816
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:19,870
And in that box of jewelry,
817
00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:20,730
I'm like, "Whose is this?"
818
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:23,230
This is like,
shitty 1970s jewelry.
819
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:25,030
Like-- but there's like
820
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:27,670
not full matches of anything.
821
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:28,870
And I startedasking everybody,
822
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:30,200
"Whose is this?"
823
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:32,870
And...
824
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:35,170
I'm thinking to myself,
825
00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:39,930
why is there only one earringin here?
826
00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:42,070
Whose jewelry is this?
827
00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:43,130
And she's like,
"I don't know."
828
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:44,730
It's not the girls'.
829
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:45,970
But it's random stuff.
830
00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:47,700
And she didn't know
whose it was.
831
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:50,330
It freaked everybody out
so much
832
00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:52,470
because they were like,
why does he have
833
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:54,330
this little girl jewelry?
834
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,130
Right.
835
00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:57,230
She still has the earrings?
836
00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:58,930
I don't know what happened
to the box right now.
837
00:36:58,930 --> 00:37:00,370
- Oh.
- That's what I'm trying to figure out.
838
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,270
And in terms of, like,
839
00:37:02,270 --> 00:37:04,430
where they're found,
840
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:06,000
I mean, how well do you think
841
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,630
you'd have to know Santa Rosa
842
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:09,800
to find that area?
843
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,870
I think you would have
to know that area fairly well.
844
00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:14,870
Mm-hmm.
845
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:20,000
It would be somebody
that lived in the vicinity
846
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,100
or perhaps somebody
that liked to take drives
847
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:25,670
and would drive
on the back roads
848
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:26,600
all the time.
849
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,330
My grandfather, Jim, though,
850
00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:31,530
that's something that
everybody says about him,
851
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:32,900
that he loved to go for drives
852
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,070
and that he would disappear
for hours on a drive.
853
00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:37,000
- Right.
- And nobody knew where he went.
854
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,170
And he's the king
of the back road.
855
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:41,130
Yeah, yeah.
856
00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:42,670
No. There was
no GPS back then.
857
00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:43,900
- You had to know the roads.
- Yeah.
858
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:46,100
I would like
to take you around
859
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,870
to show you exactly where
860
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:50,730
all of the Santa Rosa
hitchhiker murder victims were found.
861
00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:52,830
Okay.
862
00:37:52,830 --> 00:37:55,370
I have spokento three or four
863
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:57,400
of the victims' families.
864
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,900
I've spoken
to Kim Allen's older sister,
865
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:04,670
who, to this day, is
completely devastated
866
00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:05,830
by her sister's murder.
867
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:09,470
Kim's father,
868
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,570
he had an enormous amountof guilt
869
00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:14,070
because he had refused
870
00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:15,600
to get her a car she wanted.
871
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,270
If he had bought her the car,
872
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:19,670
she wouldn't have
been hitchhiking.
873
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:22,530
And he carried that
with him through life.
874
00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:25,300
{\an8}The same was true
with Maureen's family.
875
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:26,830
{\an8}As a parent,
876
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,530
of course you're
going to feel guilt.
877
00:38:29,530 --> 00:38:31,770
There's something you shouldhave done differently.
878
00:38:34,070 --> 00:38:38,170
I think, maybein seeing someone, um...
879
00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:41,170
named and hopefully,you know, punished
880
00:38:41,170 --> 00:38:42,700
for what they have done
881
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:45,700
might bring some sort
of resolution to them.
882
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,400
We've hadthree bodies deposited
883
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,600
in the same locationover the last year or so.
884
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,130
I think you candraw a conclusion
885
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:57,630
that, in all probability,
886
00:38:57,630 --> 00:39:00,700
the same individual
or individuals are involved.
887
00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:08,300
We're headed
towards Franz Valley Road.
888
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,030
This is Yvonneand Maureen and--
889
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:12,570
Yvonneand Carolyn Davis.
890
00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:14,200
...andCarolyn Davis.- Yes.
891
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,100
{\an8}Yvonne and Maureen werethe first to go missing
892
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:22,370
{\an8}in February of 1972.
893
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:24,970
They were students together
894
00:39:24,970 --> 00:39:27,270
at Slater Junior High
895
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:32,130
and they were not found
until December of 1972.
896
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:37,900
You can walk down here
897
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:39,670
and you can see
a little bit better.
898
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:43,070
Here we are.
899
00:39:43,070 --> 00:39:44,670
There, you can see
a little bit of a creek
900
00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:46,100
- down there.
- Mm-hmm.
901
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,770
And there's
a little bridge over the creek.
902
00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:49,600
The bridge was not there.
903
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,270
Yvonne and Maureen were
904
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:53,430
the first two bodies
found here.
905
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:55,330
And they really
weren't bodies.
906
00:39:55,330 --> 00:39:58,400
They were skeletal remains.
907
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,970
Two kids had driven up
on their bicycles.
908
00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:04,770
One of the boys came
across the skull
909
00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:08,300
and the boys thought
that was really neat.
910
00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:10,670
So they took the skull
911
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:12,370
and they took it home.
912
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,530
{\an8}When Carolyn was found
913
00:40:14,530 --> 00:40:17,300
{\an8}about sevenor eight months later,
914
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,670
a motorcyclist was
driving down this road.
915
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:22,400
He had been a Vietnam veteran
916
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,400
and he knew
what decomp smelled like.
917
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,800
- He knew.
- Instantly.
918
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,100
He knew instantly
919
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,200
- what that smell was.
- Mm-hmm.
920
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,570
And Carolyn was
ten or so feet
921
00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:34,730
from where Maureen
and Yvonne had been found.
922
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:36,700
It's like you're just
throwing away trash.
923
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:37,970
- Right.
- And that's--
924
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:38,930
Exactly.
925
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:40,570
And that's how
the girls were treated,
926
00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:41,670
as if they were trash.
927
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:43,300
Mm-hmm.
928
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:46,300
There were a coupleof pieces of jewelry found
929
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:49,530
at the site where Maureenand Yvonne were found.
930
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,230
One was an earring.
931
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:54,370
Of course, the amountof time that had gone by
932
00:40:54,370 --> 00:40:56,300
from when they went missing
933
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,200
and when they were found
was quite a long time.
934
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,330
The second earring
935
00:41:00,330 --> 00:41:03,800
or if the other girl had
a pair of earrings on,
936
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,030
they could be buriedin the dirt,
937
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,830
or an animal or a crow,
938
00:41:08,830 --> 00:41:12,400
a raccoon or something
could have carried it off.
939
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:15,030
Um...
940
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:17,200
Yes, the killer could
have taken them.
941
00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:25,100
Hi.
942
00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:26,500
Hey.
943
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:28,030
I wanted to talk to you
944
00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:29,830
because something
that keeps coming up is
945
00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:31,600
that jewelry box.
946
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:33,070
Mmm.
947
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:37,330
Can you remember
what was in that box?
948
00:41:37,330 --> 00:41:40,730
It just hada random mishmash of...
949
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,730
of no matching jewelry.
950
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:47,030
Not costume jewelry,but just cheap.
951
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:49,530
Like, um,teenager, adult jewelry.
952
00:41:49,530 --> 00:41:53,770
And can you remember
anything specific?
953
00:41:53,770 --> 00:41:55,930
I remember some turquoise
954
00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:58,770
and some orange beads.
955
00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:01,800
I feel likethe orange beads weremaybe, like, on a hoop.
956
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:04,070
But I definitely saw
957
00:42:04,070 --> 00:42:06,830
one earringwith some orange beads.
958
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:10,930
Oh, the earring is
described
959
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:12,530
as "A circular piece
960
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,730
of what may have
been gold or brass
961
00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:16,370
with filigree
lace-like pattern
962
00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:17,870
from which several clear...
963
00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:21,100
orange beads are hanging."
964
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:31,300
I just can't
see a situation
965
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,170
where a grown man has
jewelry like that.
966
00:42:34,570 --> 00:42:35,470
No.
967
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,800
What happened to it?
968
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:42,030
Like, where did it go?
969
00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:43,630
I...
970
00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:47,300
I believe we intentionallyjust gave it to a thrift store
971
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:48,530
or threw it away.
972
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:54,430
Then why not take it
to the police?
973
00:42:54,430 --> 00:42:56,670
When somebody worksat you for so long
974
00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:59,030
to tell you your truth isnot true,
975
00:42:59,030 --> 00:43:00,200
even though you know
976
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,030
that you were terrifiedby this person,
977
00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:04,100
there's a part of youthat blames yourself
978
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:05,730
and questions yourself.
979
00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:09,630
And then when you arereally faced with it,
980
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:12,800
it's big and it's scary.
981
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:14,830
And I think in that moment,
982
00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:16,800
my mom and I justneeded it to--
983
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,730
just get the fuck out of here.
984
00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:20,130
- Okay.
- You know? So.
985
00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:21,670
Sorry I didn't keep it.
986
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:23,030
Okay.
987
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:24,530
- Well, I love you.
- Love you.
988
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:25,900
- Okay, bye.
- Bye.
989
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:32,300
I get all of it,
990
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:33,630
but it's just
super frustrating
991
00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:35,530
'cause if we had that,
992
00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:38,930
it would be definitive.
Yes or no, I think.
993
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:41,670
So if we don't have
the actual box,
994
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:43,030
like...
995
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:45,130
it might as well just be--
it's hogwash.
996
00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:46,030
It doesn't matter.
997
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:53,270
The case isvery puzzling.
998
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:54,400
So much so, in fact,
999
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,670
that Sheriff Striepeke says
1000
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:58,200
that his men are working up
against a blank wall.
1001
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Most of law enforcement cases
are made
1002
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,900
because some citizen
out there gives you
1003
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:03,930
the information.
1004
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:06,130
That's what we're looking for.
1005
00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:12,030
Deb said
that if I am really serious
1006
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:13,170
about this investigation,
1007
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:15,000
I need to speak with Mary.
1008
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,500
Mary was a friend
of Yvonne and Maureen's
1009
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:20,230
and she was
actually there the night
1010
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:22,630
that Yvonne
and Maureen went missing
1011
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:23,900
at the Ice Arena.
1012
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:27,970
It's nice
to see you again.
1013
00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:29,000
Nice to see you, too.
1014
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,300
This is Mary.
1015
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:31,600
- Hi, Mary. I'm Sierra.
- Mary, this is Sierra.
1016
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,700
- Hi, Sierra.
Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
1017
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:37,800
Mary was a friend
of Yvonne and Maureen's
1018
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,700
- and she last saw them here.
- Mm-hmm.
1019
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:44,030
I think I was the last person
maybe to talk to them.
1020
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:45,230
- Mm-hmm.
- I think.
1021
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:46,670
So I can tell you, you know,
1022
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:48,200
kind of what went down
that night.
1023
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,930
Yeah, I would
love to hear that.
1024
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:52,500
I like how it's, like,
preserved in time.
1025
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,100
- Hasn't changed at all.
- Yeah.
1026
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:57,230
{\an8}So, as kids in middle school,
1027
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:58,370
our parents would
1028
00:44:58,370 --> 00:45:00,500
- drop us off to skate.
- Uh-huh.
1029
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:02,170
But what
it really gave you was
1030
00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:03,700
was two to three hours
of free time
1031
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:05,430
to do
what you wanted to do. - Yeah.
1032
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:07,600
Now, some kids skated,
for sure.
1033
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,430
- Others just hung out.
- Mm-hmm.
1034
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:12,530
And Maureenand Yvonne and I
1035
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:14,870
and our friends, we weremore the hangout crowd.
1036
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:16,170
- Uh-huh.- So a lot of kids would
1037
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:17,230
hang out outside
1038
00:45:17,230 --> 00:45:18,500
and smoke cigarettes.
1039
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:21,000
And so I was inside,
1040
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,470
sitting on
the fireplace hearth,
1041
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:25,600
and Maureen and Yvonne came in
1042
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,600
and they said, um,
1043
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,900
"Oh, we met this guy
1044
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:30,970
and he offered
to share his pot
1045
00:45:30,970 --> 00:45:32,100
and we're going to smoke pot
1046
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:33,630
- with this guy."
- Mm-hmm.
1047
00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:35,230
"Do you want to come with us?"
1048
00:45:35,230 --> 00:45:38,000
And, so my first thought was,
1049
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:39,630
"What guy?"
1050
00:45:39,630 --> 00:45:40,830
'Cause, honestly,
1051
00:45:41,470 --> 00:45:42,430
you know, when you're 13,
1052
00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:43,800
if it was a cute ninth grader,
1053
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,700
I might have gone.
I might have gone, right?
1054
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:46,970
So I want to know, what guy?
1055
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:49,500
So they said, "Oh, he's
waiting down the hall
1056
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:51,430
in the lobby for us."
1057
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:53,500
So I took a few steps,
1058
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,900
looked down the hallwayto the lobby
1059
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,130
- where I could see the guy.- Mm-hmm.
1060
00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:01,470
And immediately I could tell
he was older than us.
1061
00:46:01,470 --> 00:46:02,930
- He was not our peer.
- Yeah.
1062
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:04,530
He was not skating.
1063
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:06,430
He had been outside
1064
00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:07,570
and must have talked
1065
00:46:07,570 --> 00:46:10,100
to them and now was
waiting for them to leave.
1066
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:12,830
I didn't feel comfortable
about it.
1067
00:46:12,830 --> 00:46:15,830
- I said, "No, thanks."
- I'm good.
1068
00:46:15,830 --> 00:46:16,800
"Have fun."
1069
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,130
And I stayed in the Ice Arena
1070
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:21,030
and they were really
never seen again.
1071
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:22,130
Uh-huh.
1072
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:24,670
What felt really unusual was,
1073
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:26,770
if you were
a pot-smoking middle schooler,
1074
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:27,970
you had long hair.
1075
00:46:27,970 --> 00:46:29,300
- Okay.
- If you were a guy.
1076
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:31,770
- Uh-huh.
- It's just the look, right?
1077
00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:34,570
And he had short, dark hair.
1078
00:46:34,570 --> 00:46:36,470
So he looked almost more
like a teacher to me.
1079
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:37,570
You know?
1080
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,500
Did he have
any other defining features?
1081
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:44,400
Um, he just had short--
1082
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,570
uh, I would call it
dark black hair.
1083
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:47,700
- Uh-huh.
- Caucasian.
1084
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:48,730
Slender.
1085
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,200
5'10 or something. Um...
1086
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,300
And he was wearing
a denim jacket.
1087
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,800
So I wantedto meet with you
1088
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,400
because my mother's
stepfather was
1089
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,730
a really terrible man
1090
00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:05,930
and he grew up here
in Santa Rosa.
1091
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:08,470
He was born in 1941,
1092
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:13,000
so around this time, he was
probably in his early 30s.
1093
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,200
I'm trying to figure out
who exactly he was
1094
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,730
and it's led me
to Yvonne and Maureen.
1095
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:22,330
And I would love to show you
1096
00:47:22,330 --> 00:47:25,900
a picture of him
around 1970-71.
1097
00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:27,330
- Mm-hmm.
- And see, if at all,
1098
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:29,970
he resembles maybe the person
you might have seen.
1099
00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:34,500
This is him in 1971 and '70.
1100
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:38,770
So this is, like, 1970,
1101
00:47:38,770 --> 00:47:42,800
1970 and 71, he starts
to grow these sideburns.
1102
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,530
And he didn't always wear
the glasses.
1103
00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:52,370
Oh, God,
you're really freaking me out.
1104
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:53,930
Well, I have to say
1105
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:56,070
he looks a lot like him.
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