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Cheshire Emergency.
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My name is Mary Lyons,
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I'm the banking
center manager.
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We have a lady who is
in our bank right now
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who says that her
husband and children
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are being held
at their house.
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The people are in a car
outside the bank.
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She is getting $15,000
to bring out to them.
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That if the police are told, they will
kill the children and the husband.
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Her name is Jennifer Petit.
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P-e-t-i-t.
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Okay.
Is she still in the bank?
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Yes, she is.
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Okay.
She's being held...
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Her husband... MAN: Husband and family is being held?
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- Yes.
- At their house?
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Yes. They're tied up.
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She said
they drove her here.
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I'm trying to look
and see where she's gone.
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She went outside,
but I don't...
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Oh, wait, I see her
walking now.
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She is petrified.
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Again, facts like that I
can't comment on. Okay.
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And a male survivor.
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Upon arrival at
the victims' residence,
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the first officer observed
two male subjects
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exit private residence
and also observed
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the private residence
fully engulfed in flame.
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The suspect vehicle rammed the
Cheshire police officer's car
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and continued
on Sorghum Mill Road.
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Tonight, police removed
the body of one of the victims
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after a home invasion leaves a
mother and her two daughters dead.
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The suspects,
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26-year-old Joshua
Komisarjevsky of Cheshire
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and 44-year-old
Steven Hayes of Winsted
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were caught while trying
to escape in the Petits' car.
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Now, the only question
remains that why
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did this happen
to the Petit family?
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There's not one word that I
can use to describe our town,
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but it's
a phenomenal town.
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It's known as the
bedding capital of Connecticut,
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for bedding plants.
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It was historically a farming
community. A lot of family farms...
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And, as the state
of Connecticut grew,
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as the cities surrounding
the town of Cheshire grew,
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it ultimately became
a bedroom community,
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which I think is the, uh, probably the
way most people think of Cheshire.
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Returning now
to tonight's top story.
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A mother and her
two daughters are dead,
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their father severely injured,
after a home invasion
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stunned the town
of Cheshire.
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The suspects
apparently set the house on fire
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as well as some
of the victims.
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Jennifer Petit,
her cause of death
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has been asphyxiation
from strangulation.
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Her daughters Hayley and Michaela
died from smoke inhalation.
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I got a phone
call here on Monday afternoon
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from Billy's sister,
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and I said, "Hannah, it's
about the girls, isn't it?"
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And she said,
"These two men came in
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"at what they think was
3:00 in the morning
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"and they beat Billy really
badly with a baseball bat
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"and his head's
all split apart,
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"and then they
proceeded to do
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"all these awful things
to the girls,
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"and they tied them
to their beds."
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"About 9:00, Jen was made
to go to the bank
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"and withdraw money
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"and then when she came
back from the bank,
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"they set the house on fire
and killed them all
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"so that they could try to cover
up their tracks, I guess,"
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"but they got the two guys."
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And all I could think was, "Who
cares if they got the two guys?
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"We don't have our
loved ones anymore,"
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"and that's all we had."
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Wild Lingonberry. Have
you ever had that?
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Lingonberry?
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It's from England,
somewhere.
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The hardest thing I think
I've ever had to do in my life
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was to tell my parents that
one of their other children,
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their only other child,
was dead,
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and their two grandchildren,
two of their four.
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She quickly told
us that the home was set on fire,
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but Bill escaped.
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We went to the hospital and got
to see Bill for the first time.
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He was badly beaten
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and he tried to apologize to
us for not saving our daughter
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and our grandchildren.
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And we had to
convince him that
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he was in no condition
to be able to save anyone
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and we were grateful...
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That he was alive.
That he was alive.
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This is the last sort of
picture that we had together.
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My sister...
She was beautiful.
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And she was usually, like, the
lead in the plays at school.
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She was on the
homecoming court.
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She was captain of
the Trojanette team.
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So she really was kind
of like a winner person.
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Bill was a
committed, dedicated doctor.
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Would leave at, uh,
7:00 in the morning
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and not be back home
until maybe 9:00, 9:30.
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When Jen was diagnosed
with multiple sclerosis,
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Hayley really wanted
to raise money because
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she felt like if she didn't do anything,
it was possible that her mother could die.
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Hayley was able
to raise a little over $50,000
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being a spokesperson for the MS
Society here in Connecticut,
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receiving awards for that,
although you'd never know it.
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I hardly
knew about Hayley helping with MS,
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and that was just because she was
just so quiet about everything.
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She could have bragged
about everything she did,
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I mean, she was
a straight "A" student.
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I think about her
all the time.
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It's hard not
to think about her.
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You'll find just something
to relate to her about.
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Michaela sometimes
shied away from adults,
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but if she saw somebody
was having a difficult time,
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she went to them and tried to
help with whatever she could.
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Their lives
were just centered around
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a sense of sociability,
uh, justice.
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And if I didn't smile about
it, I'd have to cry.
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Apparently,these two losers followed.
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Jennifer Hawke-Petit
and her 11-year-old daughter
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to the Stop and Shop
on Sunday night.
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They followed them.
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And the first Cheshire police
officer to arrive at the scene
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heard at least one of the girls
screaming from inside the house.
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Those
animals, what they did
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to those poor people
of Cheshire,
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I can't even believe that they're
gonna give them a trial.
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What kind of laws do
we have in this state
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where they don't just
execute those animals?
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Well, Tony, the reaction
by the public certainly
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is for that, but it is...
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To destroy a family
the way those two did...
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Heinous.
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My verdict?
Fry 'em.
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Hang 'em.
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Do whatever you gotta do.
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Make sure they ain't
gonna walk this earth again.
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Can we switch?
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Yup.
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You need more?
Yeah. I'm gonna need more.
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I don't think evil like this has
happened since In Cold Blood.
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I really don't.
Not that I know of.
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And we went from being a quiet, peaceful
town in New England to, overnight,
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people installing alarm systems and
panic buttons and panic rooms.
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People in town refer
to it as Cheshire's 9/11.
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You know, life was one way
and then it's another.
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God has promised to be with
us through thick and through thin.
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All other ground
is indeed sinking sand.
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Well, first of all, uh...
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Thank you.
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For all coming out today to
honor the memory of the girls.
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Uh...
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I'd really like to
say thank you to
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people from all over the state of
Connecticut and all over the country.
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We've been
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surrounded with love and
cards and flowers and prayer
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from east to west
and north to south.
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I met Jen at, uh, Children's
Hospital in Pittsburgh.
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Before med.
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She was a new nurse
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and I was the know-it-all
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third-year medical student.
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I was trying to correct Jen
on how to take blood pressure
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the correct way.
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Since I had about 3 minutes
of experience at that point.
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But it became clear
pretty quickly that, uh,
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she knew more about pediatrics
and how to care for kids
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than I had ever known.
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One of the nice things...
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Billy had
never smelled smoke.
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He had never seen a fire.
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He had said that the only
thing he ever heard
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of my sister was her, like,
pleading nicely with these two men,
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"Can you please
let me get my purse,"
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"or they'll know that
something is up at the bank."
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He had his legs tied together and he
hopped up the outside basement steps.
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And he said,
"But sometimes I wish.
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"I would've just
gone to the inside
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"because then maybe,
even if I had died in there,"
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"I could've done something."
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And I said, "No, Billy. You
couldn't have done anything."
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"Attached to a pole with
your hands and feet tied
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"in the basement with about
6 to 8, 3 to 4 inch"
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"openings in your skull?"
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And we knew that the police did not help
my brother-in-law out of the house.
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So the chances that he lived,
surviving the blood loss,
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are just miraculous
in my mind.
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Joining me
on the phone right now is.
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Lieutenant Jay Markella,
the Public Information Officer
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for the Cheshire
Police Department.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Thank you for having me.
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Very little detail coming
out about exactly what happened.
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Was it when police showed up that
they found the house on fire
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and caught these suspects?
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Because they were caught
leaving the burning house.
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Yeah. It worked out
so officers arrived on scene
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just as the suspects
were leaving the residence.
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Okay. I don't know how far
we should go back, but...
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I'm a very
detective-like person.
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I like to know details,
and until I know the details
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around things, it's hard
to figure things out.
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I would like to know why
my sister and Steven Hayes
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weren't stopped at the bank?
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Why she wasn't
held at the bank?
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There were some police
officers that, off the record,
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said to people in the town
that they heard the girls
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screaming in the end.
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Did they try to enter or
did they not try to enter?
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And why weren't there policemen
looking in the windows?
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My sister had no blinds
on her windows.
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I just want the facts.
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And nobody has told us
what really happened.
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And today,
a state prosecutor said
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he'll seek the death penalty
for Komisarjevsky and Hayes.
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Today, the state charged the men with six
counts each of capital felony murder.
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I was driving back
from the Adirondacks with my wife,
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coming through the Berkshires.
Not a care in the world.
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And I get a cell phone call.
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Probably why I turned
pale was because,
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you know, I had
a sense as a lawyer
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where this was headed
right from the beginning.
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You know, capital case, death
penalty case, high profile.
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And in my own head,
I knew right away
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that that case was
coming in to this office
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and that I'd be involved.
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Steven Hayes
and Mr. Komisarjevsky
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were coming into Meriden
court for arraignment.
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Right from the first
time that we met,
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Steven Hayes was
suicidal, depressed.
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Just doesn't really understand
how this all happened.
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His record is lengthy.
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He's got all these burglaries.
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Most involve car burglaries.
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In this state, burglary
includes the break-in of a car.
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And they were all daytime.
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He'd sit and watch. People would park
their cars. They'd go walking on a trail.
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Break into their car and take a
laptop or a radio or a phone.
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So you were not
dealing with someone
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who had the kind of classic
history of violence
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and all of a sudden
stepped into the big time
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in terms of the next level of violence.
You just didn't have it.
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There was no reason that anyone would
ever look at that history and think,
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"Well, this guy's gonna do
something really bad one day."
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The first time
that I found out about my dad.
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I was probably about
five years old.
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He would, like,
take me to the movies
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and he really tried to be
that father figure to me,
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but for whatever reason, he just
couldn't stay out of trouble
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and so when he
went back to jail,
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like, he would write to me
and I would write back
254
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and that was our way
of communicating.
255
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"Dear Alicia, hello, honey,
and how are you doing?
256
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"I haven't heard
from you in a while
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"and neither has Grandma.
258
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"I want so bad
never to hurt you again
259
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"and I feel like I am
because I'm still here.
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"Every day, I wake up wondering
if today will be the day
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"that my name is called."
262
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"The stress is
almost unbearable..."
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When I first found out
about the incident,
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I just came back
from the police academy.
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And my mind was just like... I told him
to call me if something was wrong.
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I needed to talk to him. I
needed to get answers from him.
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What made him get together with
this one guy and do what they did?
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Whose idea was it?
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Was it just one or was it
both or did it just happen?
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It's just like,
there's no easy answer,
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and I might not like the
answer I get, but it's all...
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It's all just, "Why?"
273
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The details of 26-year-old
Joshua Komisarjevsky's past
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are more in-depth, and some
say even more disturbing.
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His rap sheet reveals a...
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We were
right in the kitchen here
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and we got a call
from my brother Ben,
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and he said, "I think
Josh has been involved"
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"in this home invasion."
280
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And I said to him,
I said, "Home invasion?"
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"This was a murder."
282
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"And Josh was involved?"
283
00:19:28,966 --> 00:19:30,933
So you see the name
spelled out,
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the Komisarjevsky name,
285
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and you sit there and you
hold your head in your hands
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00:19:37,574 --> 00:19:39,742
and you can't believe it.
287
00:19:39,809 --> 00:19:41,677
And you want to cry.
288
00:19:45,181 --> 00:19:47,517
This young man's a monster,
289
00:19:47,584 --> 00:19:49,118
and that is not the way
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00:19:49,185 --> 00:19:51,921
that we as members
of this family behave.
291
00:19:56,059 --> 00:19:59,128
We spent all
of our time in Cheshire
292
00:19:59,195 --> 00:20:03,766
and we lived in a home that was
a home of arts and letters.
293
00:20:03,834 --> 00:20:06,269
This is my aunt
Vera Komisarjevsky,
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00:20:06,336 --> 00:20:09,105
one of the foremost actresses
in the Russian stage,
295
00:20:09,173 --> 00:20:12,341
and there's a theater in St.
Petersburg that's named after her.
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And this is my father
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00:20:14,111 --> 00:20:17,013
Theodore Komisarjevsky,
theater director,
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00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,015
architect,
costume designer.
299
00:20:21,351 --> 00:20:23,619
When we drove up to Cheshire,
300
00:20:23,687 --> 00:20:27,089
my brother's house was
just swarmed with media
301
00:20:27,157 --> 00:20:31,327
knocking on the door, trying
to get statements from them.
302
00:20:31,394 --> 00:20:36,298
I think it's hard for anybody to be able
to deal with that kind of a situation,
303
00:20:36,366 --> 00:20:38,300
but probably
more so for them
304
00:20:38,368 --> 00:20:41,003
because they were individuals
who basically had
305
00:20:41,071 --> 00:20:44,840
withdrawn from many
aspects of public life.
306
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They ultimately posted a notice
on the outside of their door,
307
00:20:53,249 --> 00:20:54,817
but that was it.
308
00:20:54,885 --> 00:20:57,519
And from that time on,
they've had nothing to say.
309
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It was so disappointing,
310
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:08,630
because I knew I was the last
person, therapeutically,
311
00:21:08,699 --> 00:21:10,933
that met with Josh
and could really
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00:21:11,001 --> 00:21:13,468
paint a picture of him
in a different light.
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00:21:13,536 --> 00:21:18,174
And I knew that the media and
most people's opinion of him
314
00:21:18,241 --> 00:21:21,510
would go against what
I saw and what I knew.
315
00:21:23,846 --> 00:21:28,117
Josh just wanted to do
better things with his life.
316
00:21:28,184 --> 00:21:31,887
Staying clean,
reconnecting with his family,
317
00:21:31,954 --> 00:21:35,724
and possibly going forward with an
education, to become an architect.
318
00:21:39,563 --> 00:21:42,698
I saw someone who created
some beautiful designs.
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00:21:42,765 --> 00:21:44,467
These sketches.
320
00:21:46,669 --> 00:21:48,737
I mean, this kid was amazing.
321
00:21:48,805 --> 00:21:50,206
This is something
that's unnatural.
322
00:21:50,273 --> 00:21:52,374
This is pure talent.
323
00:21:54,677 --> 00:21:58,680
He had to have practiced this
and worked on this for years.
324
00:22:03,153 --> 00:22:05,020
But when we
talk about the...
325
00:22:05,088 --> 00:22:09,024
Just the pure evil.
326
00:22:09,092 --> 00:22:12,461
How am I gonna go in there and tell
them that this was a good kid,
327
00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:14,963
and that I was
really close to him,
328
00:22:15,031 --> 00:22:16,165
after what he did?
329
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:23,672
Joshua was a little,
skinny, frail kid.
330
00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:26,041
I saw him behind the bars.
331
00:22:26,109 --> 00:22:30,946
He had on his, uh,
cream-colored jail uniform.
332
00:22:31,014 --> 00:22:33,516
He was slight.
He was polite.
333
00:22:34,951 --> 00:22:36,818
He's adopted.
334
00:22:36,886 --> 00:22:41,490
He went from regular school
special ed to home school.
335
00:22:41,558 --> 00:22:43,926
This whole package
didn't make sense to me.
336
00:22:45,095 --> 00:22:48,930
Burglary, burglary, burglary,
burglary, and burglary.
337
00:22:48,999 --> 00:22:52,434
Genius that he is, and he is
a genius in some respects,
338
00:22:52,502 --> 00:22:54,236
with a photographic memory
339
00:22:54,304 --> 00:22:56,104
and attention to detail
340
00:22:56,173 --> 00:23:00,242
that no normal mind
could possibly retain,
341
00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:02,277
he told them every
burglary he did.
342
00:23:04,781 --> 00:23:09,618
He knew every item he took, passports,
what dumpsters he threw it in.
343
00:23:12,221 --> 00:23:15,123
Joshua could get into
a third floor,
344
00:23:15,191 --> 00:23:18,260
steal things, know which
denominations of bills he took,
345
00:23:18,327 --> 00:23:20,629
a year later,
two years later.
346
00:23:20,696 --> 00:23:23,865
Tell you where each wallet was, what
kind of pants they were taken from,
347
00:23:23,933 --> 00:23:27,870
where the pants were on the floor,
or on the bedpost, in the closet.
348
00:23:27,937 --> 00:23:29,704
Stay there for hours,
not get caught.
349
00:23:32,642 --> 00:23:36,211
Joshua used relatively sophisticated
equipment for a burglar.
350
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:38,247
Night vision goggles,
latex gloves.
351
00:23:40,016 --> 00:23:43,218
After he robbed the house,
he would stay there,
352
00:23:43,286 --> 00:23:46,421
on occasion, and listen
to the people breathing,
353
00:23:46,489 --> 00:23:50,392
and go from room to room, listening
to the occupants breathing,
354
00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:52,128
for no apparent purpose.
355
00:23:52,562 --> 00:23:54,329
Um...
356
00:23:54,397 --> 00:23:56,632
That was the frightening
part of it.
357
00:23:56,699 --> 00:24:01,336
He'd rob state troopers'
houses, which takes some guts.
358
00:24:02,972 --> 00:24:05,240
"And I said,"Judge,
he needs to be watched.
359
00:24:05,308 --> 00:24:06,909
"This kid is sick.
360
00:24:06,976 --> 00:24:08,677
"You're never gonna
see him again
361
00:24:08,745 --> 00:24:11,079
"or he's gonna be the worst criminal
to pass through these doors,
362
00:24:11,147 --> 00:24:13,181
"because that's the kind
of a mind he's got."
363
00:24:22,225 --> 00:24:24,093
There was no
obvious flag here...
364
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,163
"No obvious flag," the new
chairman of the Board of Pardons and Paroles
365
00:24:28,264 --> 00:24:30,332
says that the two
suspects in the brutal.
366
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,701
Cheshire home invasion
and triple murder
367
00:24:32,768 --> 00:24:36,405
were capable of doing
what they allegedly did.
368
00:24:36,473 --> 00:24:38,541
There's no evidence
that we've seen yet
369
00:24:38,608 --> 00:24:40,476
that they were recently...
370
00:24:40,544 --> 00:24:42,677
Uh, failed any drug tests.
371
00:24:42,745 --> 00:24:44,379
They were both employed.
372
00:24:44,447 --> 00:24:48,249
They were both living in what
appeared to be stable households.
373
00:24:53,756 --> 00:24:58,393
Komisarjevsky was
arrested for 18 home invasions,
374
00:24:58,461 --> 00:25:01,931
and the warning
bells in there
375
00:25:01,998 --> 00:25:03,532
should have been
ringing very loudly.
376
00:25:05,435 --> 00:25:08,170
Under a ten-year-old law, the
prosecutors are supposed to
377
00:25:08,238 --> 00:25:11,773
order a transcript of
the sentencing preceding
378
00:25:11,841 --> 00:25:14,043
and send that along
to the parole board.
379
00:25:15,078 --> 00:25:17,279
I mean, I used to be
a prosecutor.
380
00:25:17,347 --> 00:25:20,249
I helped write this law
I'm talking about.
381
00:25:20,316 --> 00:25:22,117
Because I knew that
it's at the sentencing
382
00:25:22,184 --> 00:25:23,685
that you really find out
everything you need to know
383
00:25:23,753 --> 00:25:26,721
about this offender
and the crime.
384
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:28,123
The problem is,
none of this ever got
385
00:25:28,191 --> 00:25:29,591
to the Department
of Corrections.
386
00:25:29,659 --> 00:25:34,095
None of this ever got
to the parole board.
387
00:25:34,164 --> 00:25:36,165
So, from the point of view of
the Department of Corrections,
388
00:25:36,233 --> 00:25:39,801
they got a first time ever
incarcerated inmate.
389
00:25:39,803 --> 00:25:45,140
Young, white, bright,
home schooled, remorseful,
390
00:25:45,208 --> 00:25:48,443
never identified as a person
with high mental health needs
391
00:25:48,511 --> 00:25:50,545
because he didn't come across
as that type of person.
392
00:25:50,613 --> 00:25:52,380
He was a real manipulator.
393
00:25:54,384 --> 00:25:56,418
The typical sentence
for burglary
394
00:25:56,486 --> 00:25:59,221
is a maximum of ten years
in prison for each offense.
395
00:26:01,324 --> 00:26:04,660
Komisarjevsky could have still
been locked up for two lifetimes.
396
00:26:05,996 --> 00:26:07,997
It was possible.
397
00:26:08,064 --> 00:26:09,464
It didn't happen.
398
00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:27,849
I went to Bank of
America to open a new account
399
00:26:27,917 --> 00:26:31,119
and Mrs. Petit
was at the counter.
400
00:26:32,522 --> 00:26:35,691
All I saw
was white blond hair
401
00:26:35,758 --> 00:26:37,426
and a white piece of paper.
402
00:26:37,494 --> 00:26:40,028
The teller handing it
to the manager
403
00:26:40,096 --> 00:26:44,232
and the manager really just running
right behind me to her office.
404
00:26:45,468 --> 00:26:48,837
And she just left.
405
00:26:52,208 --> 00:26:54,310
It's very delicate.
406
00:26:54,377 --> 00:26:57,980
Three lives were taken
that should not have been.
407
00:26:58,048 --> 00:27:01,483
Things happened
in a manner that...
408
00:27:01,550 --> 00:27:03,885
And I'm not saying
the police...
409
00:27:03,953 --> 00:27:07,990
Because when you have a hostage
situation, you wait until...
410
00:27:08,057 --> 00:27:10,626
You have to assess.
411
00:27:10,693 --> 00:27:14,496
But she was screaming
for her life.
412
00:27:14,563 --> 00:27:19,001
He's in the basement. Conscious.
Bound by the ankles.
413
00:27:19,068 --> 00:27:21,603
Daughter loose upstairs.
414
00:27:21,671 --> 00:27:23,672
She was a very strong girl.
415
00:27:25,474 --> 00:27:26,808
How did it happen?
416
00:27:28,978 --> 00:27:31,046
Cheshire Police.
No one is talking.
417
00:27:32,081 --> 00:27:34,783
No one.
418
00:27:34,851 --> 00:27:36,018
Lieutenant,
good morning, sir.
419
00:27:36,085 --> 00:27:37,519
Good morning, Dan.
420
00:27:37,587 --> 00:27:40,289
First of all, uh,
the Cheshire Police Department
421
00:27:40,356 --> 00:27:43,391
in their response
to this initial call
422
00:27:43,459 --> 00:27:45,361
was absolutely
outstanding.
423
00:27:45,428 --> 00:27:47,329
Uh, they did a stellar job.
424
00:27:47,397 --> 00:27:50,231
Uh, the Chief and all those
personnel in Cheshire PD
425
00:27:50,299 --> 00:27:51,700
deserve a lot of
praise and credit...
426
00:27:56,539 --> 00:27:59,041
People are
asking about a timeline, you know,
427
00:27:59,109 --> 00:28:01,110
when did this occur,
when did that occur?
428
00:28:01,177 --> 00:28:02,611
We don't detail
that information.
429
00:28:02,679 --> 00:28:04,680
That's... That's...
That's not something
430
00:28:04,747 --> 00:28:09,051
that really the public really needs to
be concerned about at this point in time
431
00:28:09,118 --> 00:28:12,353
and it has more of an impact
on the case itself.
432
00:28:12,421 --> 00:28:16,391
Um, you know, the type
of injury, the scene
433
00:28:16,459 --> 00:28:19,160
that one may try to
envision in their mind,
434
00:28:19,228 --> 00:28:20,295
we're not gonna detail that.
435
00:28:20,362 --> 00:28:22,965
We're not gonna
discuss, um,
436
00:28:23,032 --> 00:28:25,100
you know,
how someone died...
437
00:28:25,167 --> 00:28:26,334
Over and above
manner and cause,
438
00:28:26,402 --> 00:28:28,003
which, we'll give manner
and cause of death,
439
00:28:28,071 --> 00:28:31,073
but we're not gonna get into great
graphic detailed description.
440
00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:33,308
Um, you know, we're not
gonna talk about assaults.
441
00:28:33,375 --> 00:28:34,876
We're not gonna
talk about weapons.
442
00:28:46,122 --> 00:28:48,123
Say what we don't know.
443
00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:49,824
What happened?
444
00:28:49,892 --> 00:28:51,093
And the next...
445
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,995
...the ensuing half-hour.
446
00:28:53,062 --> 00:28:54,529
Yeah.
447
00:28:54,597 --> 00:28:58,967
Between the time
Hayes and Hawke-Petit
448
00:28:59,102 --> 00:29:02,070
returned home?
449
00:29:02,138 --> 00:29:05,173
- Mmm-hmm.
- And the time...
450
00:29:05,208 --> 00:29:07,776
I don't want to say, "The first
Cheshire police." MAN 1: No.
451
00:29:07,844 --> 00:29:09,211
They were arrested
coming out of the house?
452
00:29:09,278 --> 00:29:10,779
Time they were arrested.
453
00:29:10,847 --> 00:29:12,781
Yeah.
454
00:29:12,849 --> 00:29:16,318
"That may only be
answered at trial."
455
00:29:18,854 --> 00:29:21,089
If you can answer some of the
questions, go ahead and do that.
456
00:29:21,156 --> 00:29:22,858
Yup.
And then, uh...
457
00:29:22,926 --> 00:29:24,727
There's so little
information and there's so many
458
00:29:24,794 --> 00:29:27,563
rumors and innuendo
circulating.
459
00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:29,531
People are clamoring
to find out what happened.
460
00:29:31,267 --> 00:29:33,168
The Day possibly proposed
461
00:29:33,235 --> 00:29:35,270
that William Petit was
somehow involved.
462
00:29:35,338 --> 00:29:36,972
Speculation.
463
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,941
The sooner, I think, we
get all the information,
464
00:29:40,009 --> 00:29:41,810
the sooner folks can
really start healing,
465
00:29:41,877 --> 00:29:44,580
because the unknown is just as
frightening as what happened, in a way.
466
00:29:44,647 --> 00:29:47,583
You have all these people saying
all this stuff, you know?
467
00:29:47,650 --> 00:29:52,120
Just tell us what happened, and,
uh, then we can deal with it.
468
00:29:52,188 --> 00:29:54,856
It's almost
like not knowing is...
469
00:29:54,924 --> 00:29:57,826
Kind of keeps that
wound open, you know?
470
00:29:57,893 --> 00:30:00,962
I don't know. It's gonna be a
while 'till we see trial, so...
471
00:30:11,975 --> 00:30:15,977
It's starting to pan out that
the state's claim is pretty strong.
472
00:30:16,045 --> 00:30:19,081
Overwhelmingly strong.
473
00:30:19,148 --> 00:30:24,653
And that what's at stake at
this case is life or death.
474
00:30:28,557 --> 00:30:31,493
You have the gasoline
aspect of it.
475
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,595
You know,
the sexual assault.
476
00:30:33,663 --> 00:30:35,730
Horrible crime scene photos.
477
00:30:36,999 --> 00:30:38,633
You have
the right defendant.
478
00:30:38,701 --> 00:30:40,468
You have
the right perpetrator.
479
00:30:41,304 --> 00:30:42,604
What do we do?
480
00:30:42,671 --> 00:30:45,073
Isn't this the case
that death is warranted?
481
00:30:45,141 --> 00:30:47,409
And, um...
482
00:30:47,476 --> 00:30:49,044
And I can't accept that.
483
00:30:51,647 --> 00:30:55,884
Once you allow the death
penalty to go forward,
484
00:30:55,952 --> 00:30:57,786
then the next case
comes along,
485
00:30:57,853 --> 00:30:59,121
and it's okay
for the next case
486
00:30:59,188 --> 00:31:01,723
because that crime was horrifying,
and what if that's a mistake?
487
00:31:01,791 --> 00:31:04,459
What if that's
an innocent guy?
488
00:31:04,527 --> 00:31:10,298
And this notion that, if you execute
somebody, you know, you'll save money.
489
00:31:10,366 --> 00:31:13,468
You know, that's the furthest
thing from the truth.
490
00:31:13,536 --> 00:31:16,771
You know, we have
pretty much a blank check.
491
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:20,275
So, I'm reminding
everybody, listen,
492
00:31:20,343 --> 00:31:22,911
Steven Hayes is ready to plead
guilty to all of these charges
493
00:31:22,978 --> 00:31:26,080
and take a sentence of life without
the possibility of release.
494
00:31:26,148 --> 00:31:27,683
It'll be over now.
495
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:29,050
You know?
There'd be...
496
00:31:29,118 --> 00:31:31,720
The case would be done,
there wouldn't be any appeals,
497
00:31:31,788 --> 00:31:33,755
we'd stop spending
all this money,
498
00:31:33,823 --> 00:31:38,226
um, we would not have to traumatize
everybody with the facts of this case.
499
00:32:11,027 --> 00:32:13,428
As a
United Methodist minister,
500
00:32:13,496 --> 00:32:18,099
I am a minister
of a church at large
501
00:32:18,167 --> 00:32:21,403
that is opposed
to capital punishment.
502
00:32:22,805 --> 00:32:26,942
That has put me between
a rock and a hard place.
503
00:32:28,511 --> 00:32:31,780
We certainly don't, um,
504
00:32:31,847 --> 00:32:35,150
approve of torture
of people, uh,
505
00:32:35,217 --> 00:32:39,788
but we feel that there
has to be some justice
506
00:32:39,855 --> 00:32:43,324
in how people
are dealt with
507
00:32:43,392 --> 00:32:46,861
when they are so inhumane
in their treatment of others.
508
00:33:04,847 --> 00:33:07,783
You know,
it just makes me want to cry.
509
00:33:07,817 --> 00:33:09,884
Jennifer, Hayley,
and Michaela,
510
00:33:09,952 --> 00:33:11,986
they were kind
and they were sweet.
511
00:33:13,489 --> 00:33:16,024
They looked out for other people,
they cared about other people,
512
00:33:16,092 --> 00:33:19,027
and, uh, spent their time
helping people,
513
00:33:19,095 --> 00:33:23,765
so for them to suffer,
you know, horrific...
514
00:33:23,832 --> 00:33:28,403
Horrific deaths
seems incredibly unjust.
515
00:33:28,471 --> 00:33:30,539
I mean, it would seem
incredibly unjust for anybody,
516
00:33:30,606 --> 00:33:32,640
but obviously they were
the three people
517
00:33:32,708 --> 00:33:34,476
that I knew and loved
the best in the world,
518
00:33:34,544 --> 00:33:37,845
and it just...
The contra...
519
00:33:39,949 --> 00:33:42,050
The contra...
520
00:33:42,118 --> 00:33:44,419
The opposition of the...
521
00:33:44,487 --> 00:33:47,956
Just absolute evil
that attacked us
522
00:33:48,023 --> 00:33:50,858
versus the goodness
that they represented is...
523
00:33:50,926 --> 00:33:52,294
Is just worlds apart.
524
00:34:01,971 --> 00:34:06,208
A benign visit to the grocery store
to get milk, bread, toilet paper.
525
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:09,611
Oh, and People magazine,
526
00:34:09,678 --> 00:34:11,179
because a family
that my brother killed
527
00:34:11,247 --> 00:34:13,048
is on the front cover.
528
00:34:13,116 --> 00:34:14,816
And my brother's
picture is in it.
529
00:34:17,686 --> 00:34:19,187
He raped a woman.
530
00:34:19,255 --> 00:34:21,589
He choked her to death.
531
00:34:21,657 --> 00:34:24,492
He poured gasoline
on two little girls
532
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,994
and he set them on fire.
533
00:34:28,664 --> 00:34:30,098
How does a person do that?
534
00:34:33,869 --> 00:34:35,837
They paroled
him in November...
535
00:34:37,573 --> 00:34:39,140
He peed funny,
536
00:34:39,208 --> 00:34:40,508
and so they threw him back,
537
00:34:40,576 --> 00:34:43,711
and they paroled him
five months later.
538
00:34:43,779 --> 00:34:48,950
I... Personally, they're fucking
stupid 'cause they don't get it.
539
00:34:50,786 --> 00:34:54,222
You don't care enough about
the people in your society
540
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:57,025
to put these type of people
back out on the street.
541
00:34:57,093 --> 00:34:58,860
And I want to say that...
542
00:34:58,927 --> 00:35:02,330
It's really tough for me to say because
one of those people is my brother.
543
00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:06,534
Steven at birth,
or soon thereafter.
544
00:35:07,536 --> 00:35:09,371
Steven around three.
545
00:35:11,007 --> 00:35:13,608
Steven around five.
546
00:35:13,675 --> 00:35:15,743
Matthew around one,
Matthew around three.
547
00:35:18,714 --> 00:35:20,748
Then we get into these.
548
00:35:22,918 --> 00:35:25,686
Steven, Matthew, Brian.
549
00:35:25,754 --> 00:35:28,056
Where I got the blond
hair, I have no idea.
550
00:35:28,124 --> 00:35:29,090
Dad. That's where
you got it.
551
00:35:29,158 --> 00:35:30,892
You, Kathryn, and...
552
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,095
And, uh, Steven
all had the light hair.
553
00:35:36,198 --> 00:35:37,732
Who is Steve?
554
00:35:38,367 --> 00:35:39,868
He's manipulating,
555
00:35:41,037 --> 00:35:43,038
he's, uh, deceptive,
556
00:35:44,373 --> 00:35:46,808
and he's my brother.
557
00:35:49,545 --> 00:35:51,479
God, look at that.
558
00:35:51,547 --> 00:35:53,949
And I remember that. See,
look at where his hands are.
559
00:35:54,016 --> 00:35:57,085
I remember that day. He was
pinching me, he was grabbing me.
560
00:35:57,153 --> 00:36:00,322
I mean, look, I'm about to
frickin' burst out in tears here.
561
00:36:00,389 --> 00:36:02,123
He's just laughing
his little ass off.
562
00:36:02,191 --> 00:36:04,492
Yeah.
Fuckin' noodge.
563
00:36:05,962 --> 00:36:07,228
Deceiving.
564
00:36:07,296 --> 00:36:09,831
Always. Manipulator.
565
00:36:09,898 --> 00:36:12,167
"Mom, it's not me,
it's Matt." Yeah.
566
00:36:13,335 --> 00:36:14,802
Mom and her three boys.
567
00:36:16,005 --> 00:36:18,239
And that's probably
the first Christmas
568
00:36:18,307 --> 00:36:22,210
since 1979
569
00:36:22,278 --> 00:36:27,682
that all three of us were in
the same room for Christmas.
570
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:31,286
Only to go back to jail again.
Mmm-hmm.
571
00:36:31,354 --> 00:36:35,089
You know, this is the evolution
of Steven in prison life.
572
00:36:35,157 --> 00:36:36,924
Monday, when I
saw it on the news,
573
00:36:36,992 --> 00:36:38,660
all's I heard was
that there was
574
00:36:38,727 --> 00:36:39,961
the home invasion
and whatnot,
575
00:36:40,029 --> 00:36:43,164
and it seemed like
something Steve would do.
576
00:36:43,232 --> 00:36:46,067
But if he'd never... With the
smashing of the police cars
577
00:36:46,135 --> 00:36:48,236
and the breaking and entering
and stuff like that.
578
00:36:48,303 --> 00:36:50,672
But the killing, the
raping, and the burning.
579
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:52,674
That could've
been Josh.
580
00:36:52,742 --> 00:36:54,409
I don't know who was
the mastermind.
581
00:36:54,477 --> 00:36:55,777
Well, obviously,
neither one of them,
582
00:36:55,845 --> 00:36:58,580
because they got caught,
and they did something...
583
00:36:58,647 --> 00:37:00,348
Well, being a mastermind
584
00:37:00,416 --> 00:37:02,317
doesn't mean that
you don't get caught.
585
00:37:02,384 --> 00:37:04,018
Honestly, you know, it is,
586
00:37:04,086 --> 00:37:08,056
It is the
equivalent of the perfect storm.
587
00:37:08,124 --> 00:37:11,058
If he wasn't smoking
drugs, then, you know,
588
00:37:11,126 --> 00:37:14,462
I say flip the switch
and fuck the trial.
589
00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:16,163
Flip the switch.
590
00:37:16,231 --> 00:37:17,799
I hope it doesn't
even go that far.
591
00:37:17,867 --> 00:37:20,101
As nasty as it sounds,
592
00:37:20,168 --> 00:37:22,036
I hope somebody puts
a bullet in his head.
593
00:37:22,104 --> 00:37:24,071
That's not gonna happen.
Outside the courtroom.
594
00:37:24,139 --> 00:37:25,507
He's in
solitary confinement.
595
00:37:25,574 --> 00:37:26,941
Yeah, well...
They will...
596
00:37:27,009 --> 00:37:29,577
They will keep him away
from every God-living soul.
597
00:37:29,645 --> 00:37:32,513
When he's on his way into the
courtroom, he has to get out somewhere.
598
00:37:32,581 --> 00:37:34,015
They're not gonna
risk his life,
599
00:37:34,083 --> 00:37:37,151
because the state
wants to kill him.
600
00:37:37,219 --> 00:37:40,555
They're not gonna give that
privilege up to anybody else.
601
00:37:40,623 --> 00:37:43,925
You know, I think that it
should be the death penalty.
602
00:38:12,821 --> 00:38:17,058
Both my daughters, Clarice and
Caroline, had a relationship with Joshua.
603
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,998
And I believe that he
picked my daughters out
604
00:38:23,065 --> 00:38:27,969
due to the fact that they
looked like they're very young.
605
00:38:28,036 --> 00:38:33,675
When Josh wanted to marry Caroline,
we had a phone conversation.
606
00:38:33,742 --> 00:38:39,047
I don't know if Josh was asking for my
blessing, but in that phone conversation,
607
00:38:39,114 --> 00:38:42,484
I said, "Joshua, I have
two major concerns."
608
00:38:42,551 --> 00:38:45,386
"One is, I think
you're a career criminal."
609
00:38:45,454 --> 00:38:47,188
And then the second
thing I shared with him
610
00:38:47,255 --> 00:38:49,323
is that's he was a pedophile.
611
00:38:49,391 --> 00:38:51,359
And in both of those, he...
612
00:38:51,426 --> 00:38:54,963
He never really
changed his voice.
613
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:56,998
Um, all I remember
him saying is,
614
00:38:57,065 --> 00:38:58,600
"I'm sorry
you feel that way."
615
00:39:02,171 --> 00:39:05,239
"Dear Caroline,
good evening, sweetheart.
616
00:39:05,241 --> 00:39:09,377
"When I wake every morning, the
sun is just starting to rise.
617
00:39:09,444 --> 00:39:11,345
"Its light dances
across your picture,
618
00:39:11,413 --> 00:39:14,682
"radiating your beautiful
eyes and pretty smile.
619
00:39:14,749 --> 00:39:17,085
"It's the best part
of the day.
620
00:39:17,152 --> 00:39:21,256
"A calming mix of hope,
beauty, and tranquility.
621
00:39:21,323 --> 00:39:24,492
"Take care, Caroline. Smile.
Someone's thinking of you.
622
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,095
"Strength and honor,
sincerely, Joshua."
623
00:39:27,162 --> 00:39:28,529
"P.S. Miss you."
624
00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:34,535
We called Joshua
the hopeless romantic.
625
00:39:34,704 --> 00:39:39,440
That was the biggest
side I loved about him,
626
00:39:39,508 --> 00:39:43,211
because, how many guys are
out there that are romantic?
627
00:39:43,278 --> 00:39:44,745
You know?
Not very many.
628
00:39:44,813 --> 00:39:47,648
And he was super romantic,
and that's the way I am.
629
00:39:47,716 --> 00:39:48,816
I'm super romantic.
630
00:39:51,820 --> 00:39:53,655
When I went to Cheshire,
631
00:39:53,722 --> 00:39:55,122
we would go around
the neighborhoods,
632
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:57,358
the rich neighborhoods,
633
00:39:57,426 --> 00:39:59,226
and he'd look at
all these houses
634
00:39:59,295 --> 00:40:01,228
and be like, "Man, you
know, I want to live in
635
00:40:01,263 --> 00:40:03,931
"something that nice
and that gorgeous."
636
00:40:05,667 --> 00:40:07,067
He wanted to have a family.
637
00:40:07,135 --> 00:40:08,303
He was like,
"I want a family.
638
00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:09,637
"You know,
a good family."
639
00:40:09,705 --> 00:40:11,338
"I don't want something
that's broken."
640
00:40:17,245 --> 00:40:20,715
"If I were home,
I would have sent flowers
641
00:40:20,783 --> 00:40:22,583
"and some sort of
creative surprise
642
00:40:22,651 --> 00:40:24,986
"with this little note
of admiration.
643
00:40:25,054 --> 00:40:26,554
"Actually, if I were home,
644
00:40:26,621 --> 00:40:28,590
"I would have shown up
in person"
645
00:40:28,657 --> 00:40:30,058
"and, well, who knows."
646
00:40:32,995 --> 00:40:37,432
Me and Joshua did have a very
sexually active relationship
647
00:40:37,499 --> 00:40:39,968
and he did
like to tie me up
648
00:40:40,035 --> 00:40:43,004
and, of course, you know,
I was the submissive one,
649
00:40:43,072 --> 00:40:44,772
and sometimes I was
the dominant one.
650
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,307
But most of the time,
I was submissive.
651
00:40:49,845 --> 00:40:52,981
Joshua always asked me, you
know, "Is this too tight?"
652
00:40:53,048 --> 00:40:54,983
"Are you okay?"
653
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:57,018
Joshua always
was concerned.
654
00:40:59,421 --> 00:41:03,991
Joshua was definitely a soul mate
and that's what killed me the most.
655
00:41:20,876 --> 00:41:23,544
I saw Steve and Josh together every day.
Every day.
656
00:41:23,612 --> 00:41:24,912
They were always talking.
657
00:41:24,979 --> 00:41:26,480
Um, because Steve was...
658
00:41:26,548 --> 00:41:29,450
Steve was very,
very versed in recovery.
659
00:41:29,518 --> 00:41:33,955
Um, Steve knew the NA
book back and front.
660
00:41:33,957 --> 00:41:35,990
His nickname was "Mr. NA."
661
00:41:36,058 --> 00:41:38,760
And I think Josh kind of
absorbed a lot of it
662
00:41:38,827 --> 00:41:41,829
and was able to get
that knowledge from Steve.
663
00:41:45,768 --> 00:41:48,703
"For this addict, drugs
are not my main problem.
664
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:52,473
"I am my main problem. My
self-destructive attitude and behavior.
665
00:41:52,541 --> 00:41:55,643
"What I like about getting
high is to escape my feelings.
666
00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:57,177
"I've self-medicated so much."
667
00:41:57,245 --> 00:41:59,179
"I don't know how
to feel anymore."
668
00:42:00,382 --> 00:42:04,586
This is his own words.
He's writing this.
669
00:42:04,653 --> 00:42:08,790
"...unresolved anger controls
me, it haunts me day and night.
670
00:42:08,857 --> 00:42:11,092
"Sometimes to the
point of obsession,"
671
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,461
"even scary fantasy."
672
00:42:14,529 --> 00:42:16,463
You know,
one of the comments
673
00:42:16,531 --> 00:42:18,099
that Steven
had shared with me
674
00:42:18,167 --> 00:42:20,467
was he didn't know
what was gonna happen
675
00:42:20,536 --> 00:42:22,036
but something big
had to happen
676
00:42:22,103 --> 00:42:24,271
because he had to get away
from my mother's house.
677
00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:32,280
May to July, uh,
in a one-bedroom apartment,
678
00:42:32,347 --> 00:42:35,950
my mother in the bedroom, Steven
on the couch, me on the floor.
679
00:42:36,018 --> 00:42:39,787
You know, I didn't
ever want to be home.
680
00:42:39,854 --> 00:42:42,923
I just didn't,
so I'd stay out until
681
00:42:42,991 --> 00:42:45,393
I had to come home
to go to sleep,
682
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:47,861
because I couldn't stand to
be in the same room with him.
683
00:42:48,997 --> 00:42:51,098
And then I'd be lying,
684
00:42:51,166 --> 00:42:53,334
making believe
I'm sleeping in the morning
685
00:42:53,402 --> 00:42:54,935
while he's having coffee
with my mom
686
00:42:55,003 --> 00:42:58,306
just runnin' all his
bullshit out of his mouth
687
00:42:58,373 --> 00:43:00,040
about how he's gonna
take care of her
688
00:43:00,109 --> 00:43:02,743
and he's gonna be
making all this money.
689
00:43:02,811 --> 00:43:05,580
He's going to reshift
and reshape my mother's life
690
00:43:05,647 --> 00:43:07,949
and get them a bigger
place, and, you know,
691
00:43:08,016 --> 00:43:10,518
it's gonna be Steven
taking care of Mom and...
692
00:43:12,354 --> 00:43:15,890
On a scale from here to here,
there was that much of me
693
00:43:15,958 --> 00:43:18,793
that actually believed
it was gonna happen.
694
00:43:18,861 --> 00:43:22,062
We got into a very physical
confrontation one night,
695
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:23,931
and he broke
three of my ribs,
696
00:43:23,999 --> 00:43:26,534
and gave me a black eye.
697
00:43:26,602 --> 00:43:31,105
And, you know, I probably should
have had him arrested then
698
00:43:31,173 --> 00:43:33,408
because that would have been
violation of probation.
699
00:43:33,475 --> 00:43:35,943
Then he would've went to jail and
none of this would've ever happened.
700
00:43:39,081 --> 00:43:41,115
Things were
already falling apart.
701
00:43:41,183 --> 00:43:42,850
The lies that Steven
had been telling
702
00:43:42,917 --> 00:43:45,486
for the last two months
were coming back.
703
00:43:45,554 --> 00:43:47,588
My mother was
finding out about it.
704
00:43:47,655 --> 00:43:50,057
She was getting ready
to boot him out.
705
00:43:50,125 --> 00:43:51,659
"I don't care what
you have to do.
706
00:43:51,727 --> 00:43:54,695
"You need a halfway house.
I don't care."
707
00:43:54,763 --> 00:43:56,096
"Get out of my house."
708
00:43:57,131 --> 00:43:59,700
So that was Friday.
709
00:43:59,768 --> 00:44:01,469
I don't know the
specifics of what happened
710
00:44:01,536 --> 00:44:04,205
Saturday and/or Sunday,
but, you know,
711
00:44:04,272 --> 00:44:08,910
things were definitely
ramping up to something.
712
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,783
A day or
two before the crime occurs,
713
00:44:15,851 --> 00:44:20,721
Steven saw that his life was
once again going downhill,
714
00:44:22,023 --> 00:44:25,125
and he says that he locks
himself in a hotel room
715
00:44:26,227 --> 00:44:29,396
with crack cocaine
and heroin
716
00:44:29,465 --> 00:44:33,233
and goes on
this drug binge
717
00:44:33,301 --> 00:44:36,136
with a desire and hope
that he would kill himself.
718
00:44:39,307 --> 00:44:42,810
He leaves the hotel room
feeling like he's failed
719
00:44:42,911 --> 00:44:49,250
at this suicide attempt, leaving
him, in his view, more desperate.
720
00:44:49,317 --> 00:44:53,521
He shows up at an AA meeting in
Hartford, and there's Joshua.
721
00:44:54,956 --> 00:44:57,725
And Joshua started
talking to him about
722
00:44:57,793 --> 00:44:59,427
ways to make
some real money.
723
00:45:02,398 --> 00:45:04,065
The last contact
I had with him
724
00:45:04,133 --> 00:45:08,102
before the crime,
I think, was
725
00:45:08,170 --> 00:45:10,271
Sunday night?
726
00:45:10,338 --> 00:45:14,242
We said our usual good night's and "I
love you" and then the next morning,
727
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:16,677
I tried to get
a hold of Joshua.
728
00:45:16,745 --> 00:45:19,213
Me and my mom were walking to the
car and I looked at my mom, I go,
729
00:45:19,281 --> 00:45:21,549
"Mom, something's wrong."
730
00:45:21,616 --> 00:45:23,284
I was like, "Joshua's not
answering his phone.
731
00:45:23,352 --> 00:45:24,852
"I think
something happened."
732
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,422
I was like, "Something
definitely is wrong."
733
00:45:31,793 --> 00:45:35,462
Ms. Komisarjevsky
did call me on...
734
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:37,164
I'm pretty sure
it was Monday,
735
00:45:37,432 --> 00:45:39,833
and she told me that
736
00:45:39,901 --> 00:45:42,303
Joshua went out
late that night
737
00:45:42,371 --> 00:45:45,005
and he was wearing dark
clothings, like his hoodie.
738
00:45:46,775 --> 00:45:49,844
And Ms. Komisarjevsky
told me that
739
00:45:49,912 --> 00:45:53,213
he only does that when he's
going out to rob houses.
740
00:46:47,135 --> 00:46:50,304
The lights
that the candles make
741
00:46:50,406 --> 00:46:54,141
I think can help
to radiate the, uh...
742
00:46:54,209 --> 00:46:56,043
Uh, the love
that's needed.
743
00:46:59,814 --> 00:47:03,117
Well, they're gonna ring the bells
at the churches for three minutes.
744
00:47:03,185 --> 00:47:05,419
Uh, one minute for each
of the Petit women.
745
00:47:09,591 --> 00:47:11,659
You'll
remember that last summer,
746
00:47:11,726 --> 00:47:15,329
at what police describe
as a random home invasion.
747
00:47:15,396 --> 00:47:17,965
And, of course, the darkness
that happened on that day
748
00:47:18,033 --> 00:47:20,100
will never be forgotten.
749
00:47:20,235 --> 00:47:23,270
But perhaps for the first time
tonight, there is a glimmer of hope
750
00:47:23,338 --> 00:47:26,574
that perhaps some good
could come from this evil.
751
00:47:26,641 --> 00:47:29,443
Now, the money raised here
will stay in Connecticut
752
00:47:29,511 --> 00:47:31,144
and go to the foundation
that was founded
753
00:47:31,212 --> 00:47:34,147
by Dr. Petit in the names
of his daughters.
754
00:47:34,215 --> 00:47:36,783
Michaela Miracle
and Hayley's Hope and...
755
00:47:56,972 --> 00:47:59,339
- Good morning, everyone.
- Good morning.
756
00:47:59,374 --> 00:48:00,608
This is a hearing in a...
757
00:48:00,676 --> 00:48:02,510
A continued hearing in
a matter of a complaint
758
00:48:02,577 --> 00:48:04,945
brought by Colin Poitras
and the Hartford Courant
759
00:48:05,013 --> 00:48:07,347
against Chief of Fire
Department, town of Cheshire...
760
00:48:07,415 --> 00:48:09,316
We applied
through the town of Cheshire
761
00:48:09,384 --> 00:48:12,453
for more material right after
the crime took place.
762
00:48:12,521 --> 00:48:14,755
We finally got new
information yesterday.
763
00:48:14,823 --> 00:48:17,758
A complete transcript from
the time of the initial call
764
00:48:17,826 --> 00:48:20,494
from the bank official regarding Mrs.
Petit being at the bank
765
00:48:20,562 --> 00:48:22,196
saying she might be
held hostage
766
00:48:22,263 --> 00:48:23,864
to the time
the two suspects
767
00:48:23,932 --> 00:48:26,133
were arrested outside
the Petit household.
768
00:48:26,201 --> 00:48:29,069
And our review of this document,
which is heavily edited
769
00:48:29,137 --> 00:48:30,938
to protect
potential witnesses,
770
00:48:31,005 --> 00:48:32,906
the town has told us,
771
00:48:32,974 --> 00:48:36,076
raises the possibility
that officers on alert
772
00:48:36,144 --> 00:48:39,013
could have maybe stopped this car
with the suspect and Mrs. Petit
773
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,315
as they were coming home
from the bank.
774
00:48:41,382 --> 00:48:43,517
Um, perhaps could've beat
them back to the house.
775
00:48:43,584 --> 00:48:46,353
Could've separated the two
suspects at that time
776
00:48:46,421 --> 00:48:48,189
and maybe things would've
had a different outcome.
777
00:48:50,892 --> 00:48:52,426
And what's still out
there is no one knows
778
00:48:52,494 --> 00:48:54,895
what the initial
911 call said.
779
00:48:54,963 --> 00:48:57,331
What the bank official said
to police when she called.
780
00:49:00,702 --> 00:49:02,236
What were they told?
Was it clear?
781
00:49:02,303 --> 00:49:04,505
Did they know they
have a hostage crisis?
782
00:49:07,308 --> 00:49:10,877
There's always more information
that is yearned for, um,
783
00:49:10,945 --> 00:49:13,146
either in a
journalistic sense,
784
00:49:14,148 --> 00:49:16,417
a due diligence
reporting sense,
785
00:49:16,484 --> 00:49:18,218
and sadly,
in a salacious sense.
786
00:49:20,922 --> 00:49:25,959
So, it is hard to say, "No, I don't
have anything to tell you right now."
787
00:49:26,027 --> 00:49:27,494
Over and over again.
788
00:49:36,371 --> 00:49:39,139
Upon arrival
at the victims' residence,
789
00:49:39,207 --> 00:49:42,176
the first officer observed
the private residence
790
00:49:42,244 --> 00:49:44,111
fully engulfed in flame.
791
00:49:44,178 --> 00:49:45,712
Yeah, it worked out
792
00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:47,648
so officers arrived on scene
793
00:49:47,715 --> 00:49:50,351
just as the suspects
were leaving the residence.
794
00:49:53,355 --> 00:49:55,522
I get really tired
of the stories that say,
795
00:49:55,590 --> 00:49:59,226
"Oh, by the time the police showed up,
the house was already in flames."
796
00:49:59,294 --> 00:50:01,428
And that's not true at all.
797
00:50:04,198 --> 00:50:06,133
When Billy came
out of the house,
798
00:50:06,201 --> 00:50:09,536
he was pretty sure that he saw men
in the woods hiding behind trees,
799
00:50:09,604 --> 00:50:12,239
and we think those were
all the police officers.
800
00:50:13,608 --> 00:50:16,176
And he was calling out
to a neighbor
801
00:50:16,244 --> 00:50:20,281
while hopping across the
yard, tied and badly beaten.
802
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:24,918
That should have raised
the police eyebrows to say,
803
00:50:24,986 --> 00:50:26,620
"What are they
doing in there?"
804
00:50:26,687 --> 00:50:28,822
"We need to get in there
and find out."
805
00:50:30,358 --> 00:50:33,761
That's why
I wrote letters to the police.
806
00:50:33,828 --> 00:50:37,264
I felt like, and I expressed
in my letter that...
807
00:50:37,332 --> 00:50:41,468
That their... Their goal
was to catch the men,
808
00:50:41,536 --> 00:50:43,404
whoever were guilty,
809
00:50:43,471 --> 00:50:46,440
and above and beyond
the saving of lives.
810
00:50:46,508 --> 00:50:50,977
And I felt their priorities
were very much askew.
811
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:55,416
Why didn't they just have a bullhorn
or something saying, you know,
812
00:50:55,483 --> 00:50:57,518
"This house is surrounded.
813
00:50:57,585 --> 00:51:01,822
"You're not going to
get out of this alive,"
814
00:51:01,890 --> 00:51:03,924
"so come on out?"
815
00:51:03,992 --> 00:51:07,027
Why didn't you
just go to the door
816
00:51:07,095 --> 00:51:08,895
and break a window
or something
817
00:51:08,963 --> 00:51:11,031
and go into
that house?
818
00:51:11,099 --> 00:51:15,902
You know, my... My whole
inner person said,
819
00:51:15,970 --> 00:51:17,638
"These were
precious people."
820
00:51:17,705 --> 00:51:20,408
"Why didn't you
enter the house?"
821
00:51:23,811 --> 00:51:28,181
We've asked a lot of
questions, written a lot of letters.
822
00:51:31,553 --> 00:51:34,221
But they have not
sat with me
823
00:51:34,288 --> 00:51:36,490
and they have not
sat with my parents
824
00:51:36,558 --> 00:51:40,894
to tell us what happened and
what unfolded and why and how.
825
00:51:42,997 --> 00:51:48,168
I believe that truly they think
they did something wrong.
826
00:51:48,235 --> 00:51:50,904
I've heard all kinds of things,
that it was a small town
827
00:51:50,906 --> 00:51:53,740
and they hadn't had
the experience in the past.
828
00:51:56,077 --> 00:51:57,878
I think they were afraid.
829
00:51:59,547 --> 00:52:02,382
I just can't say
enough good things
830
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:05,385
about how proud I am
of the extraordinary effort
831
00:52:05,453 --> 00:52:08,088
of our police officers
and our firefighters.
832
00:52:08,156 --> 00:52:10,023
Um, they're extremely
well trained,
833
00:52:10,091 --> 00:52:11,691
they're a great group
of professionals,
834
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,361
and I think today
exemplified, um,
835
00:52:14,428 --> 00:52:18,598
the finest of what the police and
fire are all about in this community.
836
00:52:18,666 --> 00:52:19,800
And I can't
thank them enough
837
00:52:19,868 --> 00:52:22,236
because without
their great work, uh,
838
00:52:22,303 --> 00:52:24,071
this could've been
a far worse tragedy.
839
00:52:24,139 --> 00:52:25,939
Uh, we were very,
very fortunate...
840
00:52:26,007 --> 00:52:29,642
I was just literally shocked
when I heard him say that
841
00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:33,914
and that there were no further
casualties or something.
842
00:52:33,982 --> 00:52:35,615
And I thought,
you know,
843
00:52:35,683 --> 00:52:37,417
"How bad does
it have to be?"
844
00:52:37,485 --> 00:52:40,053
I mean,
I thought it was awful,
845
00:52:40,121 --> 00:52:43,357
and he was commending them on
what a great job they had done,
846
00:52:43,424 --> 00:52:45,658
and I...
847
00:52:45,726 --> 00:52:49,729
I was sorry, but I didn't
feel they did a great job.
848
00:52:49,797 --> 00:52:53,233
I mean, if they had done a great
job, nobody would have died.
849
00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:04,345
As you look
through this dispatch,
850
00:53:04,412 --> 00:53:06,280
you can't help but
walk away thinking,
851
00:53:06,347 --> 00:53:09,650
you know, that there's another
tragedy within the tragedy
852
00:53:09,717 --> 00:53:12,853
that occurred to
the Petit family here.
853
00:53:12,921 --> 00:53:18,659
9:21:28, initial call comes in
to the police department 911.
854
00:53:18,726 --> 00:53:21,962
And this is the call that was
actually from the bank manager.
855
00:53:24,198 --> 00:53:26,934
I will watch and see
what kind of car she gets in.
856
00:53:27,002 --> 00:53:30,337
I'm in my office with the door...
With the lights off.
857
00:53:30,404 --> 00:53:32,606
My teller said that
she saw the driver.
858
00:53:32,674 --> 00:53:34,741
He had a black hood over...
859
00:53:34,809 --> 00:53:37,044
A hoodie and
a baseball cap on.
860
00:53:37,111 --> 00:53:38,612
I'm gonna
keep you on hold
861
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,080
for another couple minutes, all right?
- Okay.
862
00:53:46,087 --> 00:53:49,356
Some police officers
were actually at the scene
863
00:53:49,424 --> 00:53:51,725
within seconds or minutes
864
00:53:51,792 --> 00:53:55,829
of when Steven Hayes and Jennifer
Petit get back to the house.
865
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,235
They had the phone number
of the house early on.
866
00:54:03,038 --> 00:54:04,705
Nobody made a call.
867
00:54:04,773 --> 00:54:06,439
Um, nobody knocked
on the door.
868
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:10,811
9:56.
869
00:54:10,879 --> 00:54:13,981
Two suspects
are moving into Chrysler.
870
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:17,084
9:57.
871
00:54:17,151 --> 00:54:19,353
There is a fire also
at the scene.
872
00:54:21,323 --> 00:54:25,125
Initial call
comes in at 9:21.
873
00:54:25,193 --> 00:54:27,594
This is over
a half an hour later.
874
00:54:29,764 --> 00:54:32,566
They were actually at the
scene for 30 minutes.
875
00:54:40,007 --> 00:54:43,710
The strangulation of
Jennifer Petit occurred.
876
00:54:43,777 --> 00:54:47,614
The rape of
Jennifer Petit occurred.
877
00:54:47,681 --> 00:54:53,220
The pouring of gasoline
occurred throughout the house
878
00:54:53,288 --> 00:54:57,725
and the actual setting
on fire of the house.
879
00:54:57,792 --> 00:55:00,961
All of this
is taking place
880
00:55:01,028 --> 00:55:04,164
while the police are
watching the house
881
00:55:04,232 --> 00:55:05,765
setting up their perimeter.
882
00:55:05,833 --> 00:55:07,434
It's really outrageous.
883
00:55:27,254 --> 00:55:29,390
Filling in for Ed Flynn
today, on Talk of the Town.
884
00:55:29,457 --> 00:55:30,724
We're gonna take
a quick break,
885
00:55:30,792 --> 00:55:32,926
and when we come back,
we're going to be joined
886
00:55:32,994 --> 00:55:34,861
by Dr. William Petit from the
Petit Family Foundation,
887
00:55:34,929 --> 00:55:36,029
so stay with us.
888
00:55:36,097 --> 00:55:37,964
Yeah. 1984.
889
00:55:43,237 --> 00:55:45,372
We go directly
to you. On nine...
890
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,975
Okay.
Eight, seven...
891
00:55:48,042 --> 00:55:50,811
Dr. Petit is here,
and as many of you recall,
892
00:55:50,879 --> 00:55:53,813
you know, it wasn't that long ago that,
you know, you suffered a tragedy,
893
00:55:53,881 --> 00:55:56,917
losing your wife and your two
daughters in a home invasion.
894
00:55:56,984 --> 00:55:59,385
Talk a little bit, if you will, Dr.
Petit, about the mission.
895
00:55:59,453 --> 00:56:01,888
About the mission of the
Petit Family Foundation.
896
00:56:01,956 --> 00:56:05,492
It's essentially to help out people
with, uh, chronic illnesses,
897
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,763
which was a nod to Hayley,
who was accepted at Dartmouth
898
00:56:09,831 --> 00:56:12,566
and wanted to
major in biology
899
00:56:12,634 --> 00:56:15,636
and considered medicine
or other careers.
900
00:56:15,703 --> 00:56:19,205
And to help people affected
by violence in their life,
901
00:56:19,273 --> 00:56:24,578
which there's obviously,
uh, far too much of,
902
00:56:24,646 --> 00:56:28,281
as evidenced by the
shootings in Oakland
903
00:56:28,349 --> 00:56:30,116
and the shootings
in Pittsburgh.
904
00:56:30,184 --> 00:56:32,018
There are few things
that make me mad as hell,
905
00:56:32,086 --> 00:56:34,921
and one is when I heard
that the legislature
906
00:56:34,989 --> 00:56:36,890
was even talking about,
907
00:56:36,957 --> 00:56:38,492
even considering
908
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:40,961
abolishing the death penalty
here in Connecticut.
909
00:56:41,029 --> 00:56:42,495
And I'm beginning
to wonder,
910
00:56:42,597 --> 00:56:45,165
do I have anything in common
with this state anymore?
911
00:56:45,233 --> 00:56:46,466
I mean,
what the heck?
912
00:56:46,534 --> 00:56:47,834
One of the studies
that has been done,
913
00:56:47,902 --> 00:56:49,336
and it does get
brought up by people...
914
00:56:49,404 --> 00:56:51,037
Study, study, study.
915
00:56:51,105 --> 00:56:54,241
Well, this study actually has some
very good statistics, which are,
916
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:57,244
most violent criminals who commit
the most heinous of crimes
917
00:56:57,312 --> 00:56:59,479
don't see the death
penalty as a deterrent
918
00:56:59,547 --> 00:57:02,015
because their
sociopathic activities
919
00:57:02,083 --> 00:57:04,351
don't take into
account consequences.
920
00:57:04,418 --> 00:57:06,453
How do you feel
about that, Dr. Petit?
921
00:57:06,521 --> 00:57:07,821
Death penalty's
clearly a deterrent,
922
00:57:07,888 --> 00:57:09,990
because the person that has
committed the violent crime
923
00:57:09,992 --> 00:57:11,157
can no longer
commit it again,
924
00:57:11,225 --> 00:57:13,493
so that person is
removed from society,
925
00:57:13,561 --> 00:57:15,228
and I think they've
forfeited their right
926
00:57:15,296 --> 00:57:19,365
to live in a civilized
society, and, uh...
927
00:57:19,434 --> 00:57:22,268
The taking of a life,
the opponents like to say
928
00:57:22,336 --> 00:57:24,370
it's, uh, murder
by the government,
929
00:57:24,439 --> 00:57:29,342
but that's
a semantic issue,
930
00:57:29,410 --> 00:57:31,745
because murder is
the unlawful taking.
931
00:57:31,813 --> 00:57:34,213
We have laws set down
for certain reasons,
932
00:57:34,281 --> 00:57:36,349
and certainly the
defense attorneys spend
933
00:57:36,417 --> 00:57:38,251
lots of time
and lots of our money
934
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,219
using the law
to their benefit,
935
00:57:40,287 --> 00:57:42,823
and, uh, the law says
that for certain crimes,
936
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:44,624
there's an
ultimate penalty,
937
00:57:44,692 --> 00:57:48,628
and society's believed in
that for thousands of years.
938
00:57:48,696 --> 00:57:50,196
And that fight will
continue, and I know
939
00:57:50,264 --> 00:57:51,932
that is, uh,
one of the things
940
00:57:51,999 --> 00:57:53,367
you're gonna
fight passionately,
941
00:57:53,434 --> 00:57:56,102
to make sure that those laws
stay in place, and, uh...
942
00:57:56,337 --> 00:58:00,073
And no better spokesman
than you, Dr. Petit,
943
00:58:00,141 --> 00:58:02,876
for why these
laws are here.
944
00:58:02,944 --> 00:58:04,611
State lawmakers
are considering a bill
945
00:58:04,613 --> 00:58:06,412
that would change
the death penalty law,
946
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,281
and Dr. William Petit
gave his opinion
947
00:58:08,349 --> 00:58:10,684
on the same day of a hearing
for one of the men...
948
00:58:10,752 --> 00:58:11,818
Death penalty opponents
949
00:58:11,886 --> 00:58:13,953
speak of the inviolable
sanctity of life.
950
00:58:14,021 --> 00:58:17,957
They love slogans such as "Do not
kill in our name" and the like.
951
00:58:18,025 --> 00:58:20,027
Thus, I assume that
death penalty opponents
952
00:58:20,094 --> 00:58:23,163
value the lives of murderers
more than their victims.
953
00:58:23,165 --> 00:58:25,332
Specifically, to me,
as a victim...
954
00:58:25,399 --> 00:58:27,501
You know, if you're
for the death penalty,
955
00:58:27,569 --> 00:58:30,037
this is the poster child,
no question about it.
956
00:58:30,104 --> 00:58:32,039
If you're against the
death penalty, like I am,
957
00:58:32,106 --> 00:58:34,874
this guy is the poster child
for the death penalty.
958
00:58:34,942 --> 00:58:37,310
I mean, him and
Saddam Hussein, right?
959
00:58:37,378 --> 00:58:40,213
Kind of hard
to argue the case.
960
00:58:40,281 --> 00:58:45,519
But it's not a philosophical
debate anymore.
961
00:58:45,586 --> 00:58:46,819
This is reality.
962
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:51,558
And the ordeal you
have to go through,
963
00:58:51,626 --> 00:58:55,094
once it's a death penalty
case, is considerable.
964
00:58:58,466 --> 00:59:01,768
It's a guaranteed
multiple-years ordeal
965
00:59:01,903 --> 00:59:05,572
in terms of just the trial,
and after the conviction,
966
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,375
scores of years of appeals
and frustration.
967
00:59:09,443 --> 00:59:12,245
And all this time, the focus
is on the murderers.
968
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,081
They become mini-celebrities.
969
00:59:15,149 --> 00:59:19,252
You have to go into gruesome
detail about what happened,
970
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,789
because the prosecutors
must prove that
971
00:59:22,857 --> 00:59:25,425
the aggravating factors outweigh
the mitigating factors,
972
00:59:25,492 --> 00:59:28,394
and the aggravating factor is
unusually cruel and heinous.
973
00:59:28,462 --> 00:59:32,232
In other words, you have to prove that
compared to other triple murders,
974
00:59:32,299 --> 00:59:35,768
this one is much worse.
975
00:59:35,836 --> 00:59:38,538
Once this gets under way, people
are not gonna like what they see,
976
00:59:38,606 --> 00:59:41,007
and it's just starting
to get under way now.
977
00:59:42,977 --> 00:59:45,645
And so I guess I'd say
to Dr. Petit, you know,
978
00:59:45,713 --> 00:59:48,214
I don't know who's
giving you advice,
979
00:59:48,282 --> 00:59:51,117
but I think if anyone's
implying to you that
980
00:59:51,185 --> 00:59:53,186
there's a realistic
hope that these guys
981
00:59:53,254 --> 00:59:58,591
would ever actually be executed,
I think they're misleading you.
982
00:59:58,659 --> 01:00:02,429
The one and only time we had an
execution here, in my lifetime,
983
01:00:02,496 --> 01:00:05,031
in Connecticut, was
this guy Michael Ross,
984
01:00:05,099 --> 01:00:08,702
and that was after 25 years of
drama to get to that point,
985
01:00:08,770 --> 01:00:11,471
and the guy asked
to be executed.
986
01:00:11,539 --> 01:00:15,775
The reality is that you'll feel like
you're making progress every day,
987
01:00:15,843 --> 01:00:17,811
but it's gonna go on forever.
988
01:00:48,642 --> 01:00:54,647
It'll probably be two years
before they even start selecting of the jury.
989
01:01:00,621 --> 01:01:02,689
I'm getting pretty old.
990
01:01:02,757 --> 01:01:06,726
I hope I live long enough so
that I can attend the trial.
991
01:01:08,796 --> 01:01:11,031
I want to see
justice done.
992
01:01:14,502 --> 01:01:16,469
"Attention
Detective Fran Budwitz
993
01:01:16,537 --> 01:01:18,938
"of the Connecticut
State Police.
994
01:01:19,006 --> 01:01:21,641
"I give this statement
to aid and assist those"
995
01:01:21,709 --> 01:01:25,512
"who now have the burden and huge
responsibility of seeking justice."
996
01:01:27,181 --> 01:01:30,850
"My earliest memories of Steve
go back to age four or five.
997
01:01:30,918 --> 01:01:34,955
"Steve presented himself as
the apple of everyone's eye.
998
01:01:35,022 --> 01:01:38,959
"What many people did not see
was the brother I knew.
999
01:01:39,026 --> 01:01:43,062
"Being young and naive, I arrived
home from school in seventh grade.
1000
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:47,000
"Steven and his friends were using
the oven to dry out some marijuana.
1001
01:01:47,067 --> 01:01:49,202
"He turned on the
burner on the stove.
1002
01:01:49,269 --> 01:01:52,105
"He told me it was really cool
and put my hand over it.
1003
01:01:52,173 --> 01:01:54,841
"'It's cool.
You won't get hurt.'
1004
01:01:54,942 --> 01:01:57,176
"As soon as I put
my hand over the burner,
1005
01:01:57,244 --> 01:01:59,780
"he pushed my hand
onto the hot burner
1006
01:01:59,847 --> 01:02:03,717
"and I had ring scars
that lasted for months.
1007
01:02:03,784 --> 01:02:06,019
"To say there hasn't
been a history of violence,
1008
01:02:06,087 --> 01:02:10,223
"well, this should, this should serve
to say the predisposition was there.
1009
01:02:11,092 --> 01:02:14,094
"It was always there.
1010
01:02:14,162 --> 01:02:19,065
"Within two months of moving, Steve took my
mother's car in the middle of the night.
1011
01:02:19,133 --> 01:02:21,434
"Upon calling the police,
the relationship
1012
01:02:21,502 --> 01:02:26,039
"with my mom, Steven, and the law
enforcement officials began.
1013
01:02:26,107 --> 01:02:28,308
"Steven is not sick.
1014
01:02:28,376 --> 01:02:31,010
"Steven is cunning
and calculating.
1015
01:02:32,346 --> 01:02:34,414
"Please exercise discretion.
1016
01:02:35,383 --> 01:02:37,551
"I will assist how I can.
1017
01:02:37,618 --> 01:02:42,155
"However, there is enough to hang
him without any family involvement.
1018
01:02:42,223 --> 01:02:44,857
"Steven is alone.
He will answer to God,
1019
01:02:44,925 --> 01:02:47,427
"he will answer to the law,
and my prayer is"
1020
01:02:47,495 --> 01:02:51,864
"he will answer to himself, before
fate hands him his final sentence."
1021
01:03:08,215 --> 01:03:09,715
I don't know.
1022
01:03:12,253 --> 01:03:17,056
I'd like to be there from the beginning of
each trial through the end of each one.
1023
01:03:19,394 --> 01:03:23,563
If there are things to look
at that they had to endure,
1024
01:03:23,631 --> 01:03:26,198
I feel like it's part
of my life to know
1025
01:03:26,266 --> 01:03:30,202
what they lived through
or died through,
1026
01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:34,206
and I just feel like it's
not to punish ourselves,
1027
01:03:34,274 --> 01:03:38,077
it's just to know in the end
and have that finality of...
1028
01:03:38,145 --> 01:03:42,281
"Oh, this is how it looked. This
is what they say they did."
1029
01:03:51,692 --> 01:03:54,060
"A thief in the
night, I've come to steal
1030
01:03:54,127 --> 01:03:59,032
"not jewels and money, but your
personal safety, privacy, and security.
1031
01:04:01,035 --> 01:04:05,371
"I violate your inner
asylum of intimacy.
1032
01:04:05,439 --> 01:04:09,175
"I piss on your optical illusion
of peace and innocence.
1033
01:04:10,044 --> 01:04:12,244
"I feast on your animosity."
1034
01:04:14,615 --> 01:04:16,950
"The Petit family passed
through their fear
1035
01:04:17,017 --> 01:04:19,886
"into the calm waters
of abject terror,
1036
01:04:19,954 --> 01:04:25,091
"like mesmerized rabbits cornered
by a springing predator.
1037
01:04:25,158 --> 01:04:29,062
"To see that fear, that
emotional pain I feel every day
1038
01:04:29,129 --> 01:04:33,700
"manifested on another's face validates
that this pain in me is real.
1039
01:04:38,739 --> 01:04:41,041
"The shockwaves of
my self's hopelessness
1040
01:04:41,108 --> 01:04:44,310
"reverberated its bitterness
through my rocked soul
1041
01:04:44,377 --> 01:04:49,248
"at the realization that I crossed
life's bridge of depravity.
1042
01:04:49,316 --> 01:04:54,286
"The awakening of my shadow, repressed
within, reaching its zenith that morning
1043
01:04:54,354 --> 01:04:57,289
"with rapturous control
of Michaela."
1044
01:04:57,357 --> 01:04:59,258
"Her age was insignificant."
1045
01:05:01,295 --> 01:05:02,562
Come on, Shadow.
Come on, Rummy.
1046
01:05:02,629 --> 01:05:06,465
Inside. Let's go.
Let's go. Inside.
1047
01:05:06,533 --> 01:05:10,637
On the phone, Joshua
denied raping the 11-year-old,
1048
01:05:10,705 --> 01:05:13,739
but I knew Joshua raped
that 11-year-old.
1049
01:05:14,608 --> 01:05:17,277
I just knew. And he kept...
1050
01:05:17,345 --> 01:05:21,181
Joshua kept telling me that he
didn't and I didn't believe him.
1051
01:05:21,248 --> 01:05:22,648
I couldn't believe him.
1052
01:05:22,716 --> 01:05:27,454
Because I was raped
in ninth grade, and...
1053
01:05:30,157 --> 01:05:31,858
Hold on a minute.
1054
01:05:41,002 --> 01:05:45,872
Before I left,
I told him about it.
1055
01:05:52,813 --> 01:05:56,216
I know he didn't know
Michaela at the time,
1056
01:05:56,283 --> 01:05:59,419
but I feel like maybe he
was thinking of a Michaela
1057
01:05:59,487 --> 01:06:01,621
while he was doing
that stuff to me.
1058
01:06:06,593 --> 01:06:09,062
Punishment that would
be good enough for him
1059
01:06:09,129 --> 01:06:12,766
would be having done to him
what he'd done to them.
1060
01:06:35,655 --> 01:06:37,156
Roll cue to video.
1061
01:06:37,224 --> 01:06:39,792
Sure. One, two,
three, four, five.
1062
01:06:39,860 --> 01:06:43,596
There are two suspects, but
Steven Hayes goes on trial first.
1063
01:06:43,664 --> 01:06:45,098
He is in court today.
1064
01:06:45,166 --> 01:06:47,100
But he looks very different
from his mug shot.
1065
01:06:47,167 --> 01:06:50,603
He's lost weight, he's in a
regular striped shirt and pants.
1066
01:06:50,671 --> 01:06:52,838
No handcuffs on him
in front of the jury.
1067
01:06:52,906 --> 01:06:55,809
And it is because this case
has gotten so much publicity
1068
01:06:55,876 --> 01:06:58,978
that picking an impartial
jury could be difficult.
1069
01:06:59,046 --> 01:07:00,880
Sunny, you were
inside the courtroom today.
1070
01:07:00,948 --> 01:07:03,850
What sort of state did
Komisarjevsky appear to be in?
1071
01:07:03,918 --> 01:07:06,719
He's much heavier now.
He sort of has a buzz cut.
1072
01:07:06,787 --> 01:07:10,957
Komisarjevsky is dressed
in a suit and engaged in the process.
1073
01:07:11,024 --> 01:07:13,559
Now, if you're wondering how
long this is all going to last,
1074
01:07:13,627 --> 01:07:15,261
we're talking about
several months.
1075
01:07:15,329 --> 01:07:18,765
This morning,
the judge told the...
1076
01:07:18,832 --> 01:07:21,000
From the courthouse,
I don't think Cheshire's
1077
01:07:21,067 --> 01:07:23,836
but about a 15 minute drive.
1078
01:07:23,904 --> 01:07:26,038
Everybody knew this case.
1079
01:07:26,106 --> 01:07:30,143
Terry Nichols, Timothy McVeigh,
the Oklahoma City bombing cases
1080
01:07:30,210 --> 01:07:31,744
were number two and three.
1081
01:07:31,812 --> 01:07:33,545
Komisarjevsky was number one.
1082
01:07:35,916 --> 01:07:38,484
Talking to almost 2,000
prospective jurors,
1083
01:07:38,552 --> 01:07:41,887
everyone had made conclusions
based on the publicity,
1084
01:07:41,955 --> 01:07:44,257
and that conclusion
was very clear.
1085
01:07:44,324 --> 01:07:47,827
Joshua Komisarjevsky
was guilty.
1086
01:07:47,894 --> 01:07:52,765
75 % also expressed the opinion
that Joshua should die.
1087
01:07:52,866 --> 01:07:56,302
I've never had a jury selection where
people would jump out of their seats...
1088
01:07:56,370 --> 01:07:58,471
"I'll kill him now."
1089
01:07:58,539 --> 01:08:01,007
It's in the news, Internet.
How could you miss it?
1090
01:08:01,074 --> 01:08:02,809
What did you think
when you saw him?
1091
01:08:03,877 --> 01:08:07,213
Um, I just think
he's a murderer.
1092
01:08:25,198 --> 01:08:28,301
"Frustrating day, but
two more jurors were selected.
1093
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:33,606
That came in at
8:13 this morning.
1094
01:08:33,674 --> 01:08:38,545
"Still need four more jurors, six
alternates, and two substitutes."
1095
01:08:44,051 --> 01:08:46,185
So it's
about 11:00, this morning,
1096
01:08:46,253 --> 01:08:51,190
my time, Pacific time, and one
of Steven's attorney's called.
1097
01:08:51,258 --> 01:08:55,561
They went in to check on him this
morning and he was unresponsive.
1098
01:08:55,629 --> 01:08:59,798
Steven's lying in a coma induced
by, you know, a medical team.
1099
01:08:59,867 --> 01:09:02,268
They're not sharing why.
1100
01:09:02,369 --> 01:09:05,238
You know, the attorney said
that he could very well die.
1101
01:09:06,941 --> 01:09:09,675
And they're expected to be
back in court tomorrow.
1102
01:09:11,078 --> 01:09:13,880
They can't proceed
without him in the room.
1103
01:09:18,352 --> 01:09:22,021
Steven
squirreled away nine
1104
01:09:22,088 --> 01:09:27,693
or so doses of Thorazine
and Klonopin.
1105
01:09:27,761 --> 01:09:31,697
And you might question
how this could happen.
1106
01:09:31,765 --> 01:09:36,202
About a year before this, Steven
Hayes had made a suicide attempt
1107
01:09:36,270 --> 01:09:40,440
and one of the things they found
in his cell was a suicide note.
1108
01:09:40,507 --> 01:09:44,977
I quote, "I am sorry.
All I want to do is die."
1109
01:09:45,045 --> 01:09:47,280
"It is the only way to end
the pain I go through
1110
01:09:47,347 --> 01:09:49,982
"every day 24/7,
and more important,
1111
01:09:50,050 --> 01:09:52,819
"the pain that trial
will bring to others.
1112
01:09:52,886 --> 01:09:56,388
"Time to go to the last
undiscovered country.
1113
01:09:56,456 --> 01:10:01,127
"Although I am not the monster that
Josh is, I am one nevertheless.
1114
01:10:01,195 --> 01:10:04,931
"A coward, because I could
not do what was right.
1115
01:10:04,998 --> 01:10:07,166
"Looking back on my life,
I was nothing
1116
01:10:07,234 --> 01:10:11,437
"but a self-centered asshole
who cared only of himself.
1117
01:10:11,505 --> 01:10:16,676
"But the ironic facet to this is I have
always had the ability to change."
1118
01:10:16,743 --> 01:10:20,013
"But cowards don't change.
They become me."
1119
01:10:25,052 --> 01:10:28,321
The judge actually
toured Hayes' cell yesterday.
1120
01:10:28,389 --> 01:10:33,359
It's called a safe cell, which will
protect him from harming himself.
1121
01:10:33,427 --> 01:10:36,429
He learned a lot. He also wears
something called Ferguson clothing,
1122
01:10:36,497 --> 01:10:40,132
which an inmate wears if they're
in jeopardy of killing themselves,
1123
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,536
because they can't tear up the
clothes and use it as a noose.
1124
01:10:44,938 --> 01:10:46,538
Is it on?
Yeah.
1125
01:10:50,477 --> 01:10:52,412
Good day.
Good morning.
1126
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,780
How difficult, Dr.
Petit, is it to sit in there
1127
01:10:54,848 --> 01:11:00,086
and have them discuss Hayes' conditions
in prison for two hours at a time,
1128
01:11:00,154 --> 01:11:02,588
the lights being on?
1129
01:11:02,656 --> 01:11:05,992
Uh, it's difficult. Uh...
1130
01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:08,728
Somehow, it was okay
for the defendants
1131
01:11:08,795 --> 01:11:13,098
to bind us and beat us
and rape us and torture us
1132
01:11:13,167 --> 01:11:16,502
and set the place on fire,
but you can't be,
1133
01:11:16,570 --> 01:11:19,905
can't be held in a cell
with the lights on,
1134
01:11:19,973 --> 01:11:22,708
and somehow there's
something wrong with that.
1135
01:11:24,478 --> 01:11:26,311
It's surreal.
1136
01:11:26,379 --> 01:11:32,051
The entire prosecution is
geared to killing Steven Hayes,
1137
01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:35,688
and so here he is
trying to kill himself
1138
01:11:35,756 --> 01:11:37,523
but we won't
let him do that,
1139
01:11:37,591 --> 01:11:40,326
because we want to extract
our pound of flesh.
1140
01:11:40,393 --> 01:11:45,531
It's really a sick kind of
process, in my opinion.
1141
01:12:00,614 --> 01:12:03,715
Tragedy in trial!
Front page!
1142
01:12:10,857 --> 01:12:12,992
Right now, both
sides are inside this courtroom.
1143
01:12:13,060 --> 01:12:17,563
All eyes are on what's going to
happen in these opening arguments.
1144
01:12:17,631 --> 01:12:20,833
The heavy, heavy security
around Steven Hayes
1145
01:12:20,901 --> 01:12:24,169
brought in by authorities
on a convoy of vehicles...
1146
01:12:24,237 --> 01:12:25,971
There's no
cameras allowed in the courtroom,
1147
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:27,840
so you're not going to see what's
actually going on in there,
1148
01:12:27,907 --> 01:12:29,641
but tweeting is allowed.
1149
01:12:29,709 --> 01:12:31,644
A juror has been excused.
1150
01:12:31,711 --> 01:12:35,447
It's because she said she couldn't be
fair, because she heard news reports
1151
01:12:35,515 --> 01:12:37,316
of Steven Hayes'
suicide attempt.
1152
01:12:37,417 --> 01:12:39,986
This jury will
end up making two decisions.
1153
01:12:40,053 --> 01:12:43,022
One will be the guilt or
innocence of the defendant,
1154
01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:44,323
and if they find him guilty,
1155
01:12:44,391 --> 01:12:46,192
then they would have to decide
1156
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:49,528
if he should get the death
penalty for the crime.
1157
01:12:56,803 --> 01:13:00,906
Going into the courtroom,
Steven Hayes was, like, off to my left.
1158
01:13:02,409 --> 01:13:05,111
I look at him and I think,
1159
01:13:05,113 --> 01:13:07,680
"I still can't believe
that you did this."
1160
01:13:11,652 --> 01:13:15,087
I said as soon as I found out
that my sister died,
1161
01:13:15,155 --> 01:13:18,324
"Just come into me,
be a part of me."
1162
01:13:19,426 --> 01:13:22,395
So I kept staring at him.
1163
01:13:22,463 --> 01:13:26,665
And sometimes I think, "Is that a part
of her saying, like, 'Stare at him.
1164
01:13:26,733 --> 01:13:28,167
"'Don't take your eyes
off of him."
1165
01:13:28,235 --> 01:13:30,569
"'Like, he, he
can't be trusted.'"
1166
01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:38,411
I'd like to say a few things
1167
01:13:38,979 --> 01:13:40,313
to these guys.
1168
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:47,854
I'd like them to answer
me the question,
1169
01:13:47,921 --> 01:13:52,458
do they know what it is
to be terrorized?
1170
01:13:56,696 --> 01:13:58,831
After waiting
more than three years,
1171
01:13:58,898 --> 01:14:02,501
the Petit and Hawke families are ready
for this process to finally begin.
1172
01:14:02,569 --> 01:14:05,437
And are hopeful in the end
that justice will prevail,
1173
01:14:05,506 --> 01:14:10,510
and we think of Jennifer, Hayley, and
Michaela every second of every day.
1174
01:14:12,746 --> 01:14:14,947
It is a system,
you know, and...
1175
01:14:16,616 --> 01:14:19,785
People say it's the best
system in the world,
1176
01:14:19,852 --> 01:14:23,989
but it's a, it's a
maddening system at best.
1177
01:14:24,057 --> 01:14:26,759
People spend a lot of
time parsing words
1178
01:14:26,826 --> 01:14:30,395
instead of really
trying to get to
1179
01:14:30,463 --> 01:14:34,833
what is right and what is wrong,
what is good and what is evil.
1180
01:14:34,901 --> 01:14:37,770
But it's the system we have,
so we're hoping...
1181
01:14:37,838 --> 01:14:40,640
We're hoping that the system
we have will give us justice.
1182
01:14:46,446 --> 01:14:53,052
Today's date
is July 23, 2007.
1183
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,089
Statement's taking place at the Cheshire
Police Department headquarters.
1184
01:14:57,157 --> 01:15:01,260
Joshua Komisarjevsky,
do you know why you're here?
1185
01:15:05,732 --> 01:15:09,368
Okay. And you went to
Stop and Shop in Cheshire?
1186
01:15:40,433 --> 01:15:46,739
On the night of July 22, Josh
and Steven were texting each other.
1187
01:15:48,575 --> 01:15:53,712
Steven texting Josh about
"When are we gonna get going?"
1188
01:15:53,780 --> 01:15:58,016
It was kind of like an excitement
about going to burglarize this house.
1189
01:16:05,925 --> 01:16:08,760
He drives down to Cheshire.
1190
01:16:08,828 --> 01:16:11,463
He and Josh go to a bar.
1191
01:16:13,099 --> 01:16:16,402
And then they start
looking for this house
1192
01:16:16,469 --> 01:16:18,470
that Josh knows about
from when they were
1193
01:16:18,538 --> 01:16:20,806
shopping at
Stop and Shop earlier.
1194
01:16:22,409 --> 01:16:25,478
It's always been my opinion
that he was attracted by
1195
01:16:25,545 --> 01:16:30,782
the young girl Michaela, rather
than the money or the Mercedes.
1196
01:16:38,291 --> 01:16:41,460
Josh was born into a family with
a history of mental problems.
1197
01:16:41,528 --> 01:16:47,099
Then he was adopted by a family that had
no ability to cope with mental problems.
1198
01:16:47,201 --> 01:16:50,703
And so he was doomed by biology,
and then he was doomed by fate.
1199
01:16:53,140 --> 01:16:56,909
When Josh was three years old,
the family took into the home
1200
01:16:56,977 --> 01:17:00,313
two foster children,
a girl and a boy.
1201
01:17:00,380 --> 01:17:04,517
And Josh underwent really
horrible and extensive
1202
01:17:04,585 --> 01:17:06,852
sexual abuse at
the hand of Scott.
1203
01:17:10,590 --> 01:17:13,125
I think it started off
playing little sex games,
1204
01:17:13,193 --> 01:17:16,561
having him pose naked,
and then it proceeded to
1205
01:17:16,629 --> 01:17:22,067
full-scale anal intercourse and to
Josh's being burned with cigarettes.
1206
01:17:22,135 --> 01:17:24,103
Against the background
of all of this,
1207
01:17:24,171 --> 01:17:28,574
Josh is at a church in which it is
taught that there is evil in the world
1208
01:17:28,641 --> 01:17:32,845
and probably the greatest abomination
of all is homosexuality.
1209
01:17:34,147 --> 01:17:35,948
And so you've got a, what,
1210
01:17:36,016 --> 01:17:38,483
a five-year-old, a six-year-old,
a seven year old,
1211
01:17:38,552 --> 01:17:39,919
listening to this
1212
01:17:39,986 --> 01:17:42,787
and thinking to himself
that I am fundamentally evil,
1213
01:17:42,855 --> 01:17:45,324
I have engaged in
that kind of activity,
1214
01:17:45,392 --> 01:17:47,626
and really not being able
to tell anybody about it.
1215
01:17:51,564 --> 01:17:55,667
There's a theme
that I saw in Steven's life of...
1216
01:17:57,871 --> 01:17:59,505
Of betrayal.
1217
01:18:00,974 --> 01:18:04,710
Steven had been sexually
abused as a child,
1218
01:18:04,778 --> 01:18:11,350
which led him to become more
emotionally disconnected from people.
1219
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:18,990
The turning towards drugs and the desperate
state of mind that he found himself in,
1220
01:18:19,058 --> 01:18:24,763
all of this helped explain how Steven
could've done what he had done.
1221
01:19:40,139 --> 01:19:41,406
- You did?
- Yeah.
1222
01:20:01,227 --> 01:20:04,763
KK. Obviously she told you
her nickname or whatever is KK,
1223
01:20:04,831 --> 01:20:05,898
or you made that up?
1224
01:20:20,546 --> 01:20:23,281
I met Josh when I was 13.
1225
01:20:23,349 --> 01:20:27,352
Josh's parents started attending
the church that we went to,
1226
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:29,254
the Evangelical Bible Church.
1227
01:20:31,591 --> 01:20:35,227
And we dated, we were in a
relationship for about two years.
1228
01:20:35,295 --> 01:20:39,898
We started dating
when I was 14 or 15
1229
01:20:39,966 --> 01:20:42,534
and then our relationship
was ended by the church.
1230
01:20:45,972 --> 01:20:48,006
Throughout the whole course
of our relationship,
1231
01:20:48,074 --> 01:20:50,508
we were always trying
to not have sex.
1232
01:20:50,576 --> 01:20:55,447
That was the goal. It felt
deeply, deeply sinful.
1233
01:20:58,451 --> 01:21:01,019
Our church community was
our home school community.
1234
01:21:02,922 --> 01:21:05,524
And Josh's family
and mine as well
1235
01:21:05,592 --> 01:21:09,661
had a very specific idea
of good and evil.
1236
01:21:12,932 --> 01:21:17,235
The devil was understood to be
an entity that you could know,
1237
01:21:18,371 --> 01:21:21,206
so if Josh had anxiety,
it was the devil.
1238
01:21:21,274 --> 01:21:26,010
If he did something wrong, it was because
he was being used as an agent of the devil.
1239
01:21:29,182 --> 01:21:35,087
Josh spoke some to me about the sexual
abuse that had happened to him.
1240
01:21:35,155 --> 01:21:39,925
But there wasn't even a way for
him to tell me without weeping.
1241
01:21:41,928 --> 01:21:45,631
Josh had terrible
anxiety attacks.
1242
01:21:45,699 --> 01:21:48,501
His home was not
ever safe for him.
1243
01:21:50,537 --> 01:21:55,073
The safe place was being away
and hiding in the woods.
1244
01:21:58,411 --> 01:22:01,914
He was trespassing
and sneaking around,
1245
01:22:01,981 --> 01:22:09,187
spying on people, long before
it was a criminal offense.
1246
01:22:09,255 --> 01:22:13,291
I think that he envied people and
he would daydream about being them.
1247
01:22:21,634 --> 01:22:26,104
They find beer in the
refrigerator and drink throughout the night.
1248
01:22:27,707 --> 01:22:31,910
Steven finds jars
of quarters and coins.
1249
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:35,747
They found
a Bank of America book
1250
01:22:35,815 --> 01:22:39,117
and they're waiting
for the morning.
1251
01:22:40,286 --> 01:22:44,255
However, Steven worries that
1252
01:22:44,323 --> 01:22:48,026
he's gonna leave DNA evidence
in the house, and he starts...
1253
01:22:50,029 --> 01:22:51,697
Obsessing.
1254
01:22:51,764 --> 01:22:55,367
And Josh tells him,
"Fire destroys everything."
1255
01:22:55,434 --> 01:22:58,736
"We'll get the people out
and we'll burn the house down,
1256
01:22:58,804 --> 01:23:01,273
"we'll get them somewhere, and then
we'll get the hell out of here."
1257
01:23:01,341 --> 01:23:03,575
That's what Steven
was thinking about.
1258
01:23:05,744 --> 01:23:07,713
Steven goes into the garage.
1259
01:23:07,780 --> 01:23:12,451
He finds containers and starts
driving to find a gas station.
1260
01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:25,030
When Steven
gets back with the gasoline,
1261
01:23:25,097 --> 01:23:27,232
Josh had changed the
clothes of Michaela
1262
01:23:27,299 --> 01:23:30,102
because of activity that
he was involved with
1263
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:32,972
in terms of
sexually abusing her.
1264
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:39,678
And part of that occurred while
Steven was out on the gas run,
1265
01:23:39,746 --> 01:23:42,280
because we know that
because of Josh's photographs
1266
01:23:42,348 --> 01:23:45,984
that he took on his
cell phone before the bank.
1267
01:23:51,191 --> 01:23:56,095
The first set of photographs,
you know, showed Michaela.
1268
01:23:56,162 --> 01:24:00,065
There were leg shots and genital
area shots, but they were clothed.
1269
01:24:01,867 --> 01:24:05,270
The last shots while they were at
the bank were much more graphic.
1270
01:24:05,338 --> 01:24:07,739
Really awful, awful,
awful photographs.
1271
01:24:07,807 --> 01:24:10,308
Those are the kinds of
things you never forget.
1272
01:24:10,376 --> 01:24:12,844
They kind of become
emblazoned in your mind.
1273
01:24:15,148 --> 01:24:20,385
It just shows the level of
depravity of Joshua Komisarjevsky.
1274
01:24:29,795 --> 01:24:32,164
Joshua was committed, against
the wishes of his parents,
1275
01:24:32,232 --> 01:24:35,633
he was committed and spent, I
think, two weeks at Elmcrest.
1276
01:24:38,071 --> 01:24:43,141
He was clearly in terrible
shape and suicidal.
1277
01:24:45,712 --> 01:24:48,013
The records
are very clear that Joshua
1278
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:53,785
wanted to try the medication, Joshua wanted
the therapy, but the parents rejected it.
1279
01:24:53,852 --> 01:24:58,190
Not only did the parents reject it,
but they immediately took him up
1280
01:24:58,258 --> 01:25:02,293
to the Alton Bay
Christian Center.
1281
01:25:02,361 --> 01:25:05,964
People would say that he was
seeing demons and he believed that.
1282
01:25:06,032 --> 01:25:07,733
And would pray
that they'd go away.
1283
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,801
And people would gather around
him and pray over him
1284
01:25:09,869 --> 01:25:12,871
and lay hands on him and speak
in tongues over him.
1285
01:25:14,173 --> 01:25:15,940
Exorcism?
1286
01:25:16,009 --> 01:25:21,613
That was kind of a regular part of our lives
when it came to dealing with anxiety.
1287
01:25:21,681 --> 01:25:27,218
He ended up breaking into my room at the
discipleship house to come and see me.
1288
01:25:27,286 --> 01:25:30,121
He was essentially
excommunicated for doing that.
1289
01:25:32,291 --> 01:25:37,495
His whole life, everything,
was just gone. Overnight.
1290
01:25:37,563 --> 01:25:41,433
There was no addressing that
perhaps this was a desperate kid
1291
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:46,338
who actually didn't, wasn't
wrestling with the devil
1292
01:25:46,405 --> 01:25:50,308
but had experienced trauma
and was losing his grip.
1293
01:25:57,117 --> 01:25:59,951
Some people called our
office asking if we would,
1294
01:26:00,019 --> 01:26:01,720
we would take Josh on,
in spite of,
1295
01:26:01,787 --> 01:26:07,859
some of his legal difficulties
as a member of our tour.
1296
01:26:07,927 --> 01:26:11,363
I just gave Josh a little
bit of responsibility
1297
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:15,733
and let him know that I expected him
to be a leader, and he blossomed.
1298
01:26:15,735 --> 01:26:18,369
He just loved it.
1299
01:26:18,437 --> 01:26:23,808
We came to the end of that
tour and it was a good tour.
1300
01:26:23,876 --> 01:26:27,245
I think it wasn't long after that
that Josh joined the Reserves.
1301
01:26:29,515 --> 01:26:32,217
Then he was discharged.
1302
01:26:34,220 --> 01:26:38,523
And then that's when
his troubles started again.
1303
01:26:48,601 --> 01:26:53,304
Morning rolls around.
They untie Mrs. Petit.
1304
01:26:54,306 --> 01:26:56,441
Steven takes her to the bank.
1305
01:26:59,111 --> 01:27:01,012
Mrs. Petit is in the bank.
1306
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,548
It's taking longer
than he thought.
1307
01:27:21,768 --> 01:27:24,869
- You performed oral sex on KK?
- On KK.
1308
01:27:30,243 --> 01:27:31,910
Did you take
pictures of her?
1309
01:27:42,922 --> 01:27:45,056
Now, did you say you
let her get dressed again?
1310
01:27:45,124 --> 01:27:48,192
How, how is it she came
upon being undressed?
1311
01:27:48,261 --> 01:27:50,294
Because you originally
said she was dressed.
1312
01:27:58,538 --> 01:28:00,772
No one disputes
that he committed this crime.
1313
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,774
Eventually, he tells
the police officer
1314
01:28:02,841 --> 01:28:07,012
that while Hayes is gone, he goes
upstairs and sexually assaults KK.
1315
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,481
At that point, the judge
stops the tape.
1316
01:28:09,549 --> 01:28:11,516
He says, "A juror
is having problems"
1317
01:28:11,584 --> 01:28:13,418
"with this testimony,
with this evidence,"
1318
01:28:13,486 --> 01:28:15,320
and that he's gonna
stop it for the day
1319
01:28:15,388 --> 01:28:16,955
and they will continue
again tomorrow.
1320
01:28:17,022 --> 01:28:20,458
A very difficult day
in court here.
1321
01:28:20,526 --> 01:28:23,929
We're good.
1322
01:28:25,064 --> 01:28:26,764
Thank you very much.
1323
01:28:32,171 --> 01:28:37,842
Komisarjevsky was
calling my youngest niece "KK."
1324
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:41,046
Like, you know, who are
you to be using that term
1325
01:28:41,113 --> 01:28:44,149
and calling her this, like,
term of endearment that we use?
1326
01:28:45,985 --> 01:28:48,553
Okay, you show me
that baseball bat again
1327
01:28:48,621 --> 01:28:52,791
that you hit Billy with and
I'll show you how it feels.
1328
01:28:54,059 --> 01:28:55,761
You want them to
lose a daughter.
1329
01:28:55,828 --> 01:28:57,362
You want their house
to burn down.
1330
01:28:57,429 --> 01:29:00,431
You want them to see
how it feels.
1331
01:29:00,499 --> 01:29:03,601
And, and other times,
you think, "Gosh, who am I?"
1332
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:07,839
Like, "This is wicked. How
could I wish this on anybody?"
1333
01:29:19,818 --> 01:29:22,420
Steven
is becoming anxious.
1334
01:29:23,255 --> 01:29:26,158
He calls Joshua.
1335
01:29:26,225 --> 01:29:29,461
Joshua tells him, "Everything's gonna
be fine. The plan is gonna work."
1336
01:29:31,130 --> 01:29:34,699
After a period of time, Mrs. Petit
comes out of the bank with money.
1337
01:29:36,635 --> 01:29:39,437
When they arrive
back at the house,
1338
01:29:39,505 --> 01:29:45,409
Steven is under the belief that the
crime is over. Now they could leave.
1339
01:29:45,477 --> 01:29:50,782
But Joshua tells Steven
that, "We have a problem."
1340
01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:53,151
He had left DNA with
one of the children
1341
01:29:53,218 --> 01:29:55,353
and he had to kill them
and their dad,
1342
01:29:55,420 --> 01:29:57,989
and Dr. Petit had died
from the injuries,
1343
01:29:58,057 --> 01:30:02,660
and that now he had to get his
hands dirty and kill Mrs. Petit.
1344
01:30:05,531 --> 01:30:07,965
I believe Steven.
1345
01:30:08,033 --> 01:30:11,703
But from the first time that
Josh talked to the police,
1346
01:30:11,804 --> 01:30:15,840
he tried to save himself by blaming Steven
for all the horrific stuff that occurred.
1347
01:30:55,381 --> 01:31:00,085
Steven tells me
that he felt betrayed by Josh,
1348
01:31:00,152 --> 01:31:07,058
that he felt dragged into
this horror of a crime,
1349
01:31:07,126 --> 01:31:13,698
and he also felt, in a crazy
way, betrayed by Mrs. Petit,
1350
01:31:13,765 --> 01:31:19,471
because he looks out the window
and he sees police cars.
1351
01:31:19,539 --> 01:31:25,377
And he realizes that Mrs. Petit
must have informed bank officials.
1352
01:31:26,779 --> 01:31:30,715
He is triggered into
this state of rage.
1353
01:31:33,051 --> 01:31:36,921
He strangles
Jennifer Hawke-Petit,
1354
01:31:36,989 --> 01:31:41,226
he pulls down her pants,
pulls her legs up,
1355
01:31:41,294 --> 01:31:45,530
and he vaginally rapes her
after he strangles her.
1356
01:31:49,234 --> 01:31:50,735
Which is where
the dad was.
1357
01:32:13,192 --> 01:32:16,428
Steven hears Josh
telling him they have to leave.
1358
01:32:16,495 --> 01:32:18,963
Spread the gasoline
and let's get out of here.
1359
01:32:46,225 --> 01:32:48,059
Why did you
close the doors?
1360
01:32:48,127 --> 01:32:49,627
I don't, I don't...
1361
01:32:49,695 --> 01:32:51,496
You knew they were tied,
but you closed the doors.
1362
01:33:06,545 --> 01:33:08,712
Empty bottles of...
1363
01:33:08,948 --> 01:33:11,015
Of gasoline, so he went
back up with another bottle?
1364
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,593
Okay.
1365
01:33:59,064 --> 01:34:01,632
All of these family
members that have had to relive
1366
01:34:01,701 --> 01:34:05,636
the horror of what happened inside of that
home the night they were all tied up,
1367
01:34:05,705 --> 01:34:07,805
has been heartbreaking to
watch inside of the courtroom.
1368
01:34:07,873 --> 01:34:11,442
The images have been absolutely
devastating of the crime scene...
1369
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:15,346
When it's all put out in
front of you, it's very gruesome.
1370
01:34:15,414 --> 01:34:19,483
It's, it's insane to just hear and
it's just affected the whole town
1371
01:34:19,551 --> 01:34:22,153
and it's like the whole town
is just reliving it all again,
1372
01:34:22,221 --> 01:34:24,856
and it's not easy
for all of us.
1373
01:34:31,096 --> 01:34:35,700
These are pictures of, like, the
accelerant pattern that they showed.
1374
01:34:35,768 --> 01:34:39,370
How they went from, like, where
Hayley's body was upstairs
1375
01:34:39,438 --> 01:34:41,339
into her bedroom
and onto her bed
1376
01:34:41,407 --> 01:34:45,276
and then down the hall and into
Michaela's bedroom and onto her bed.
1377
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,082
And when they finally put the
fire detective on the stand,
1378
01:34:51,150 --> 01:34:57,288
I saw Michaela was tied and she
had gasoline dumped on her
1379
01:34:57,355 --> 01:35:00,424
while she was alive
and alert,
1380
01:35:00,492 --> 01:35:03,361
and that at least
Hayley, I know,
1381
01:35:03,428 --> 01:35:06,931
was probably burning
while she was breathing.
1382
01:35:06,999 --> 01:35:09,434
And that was just a really
hard thing to learn,
1383
01:35:09,501 --> 01:35:16,040
because I never really knew if the girls
were alive when they were burning or not,
1384
01:35:16,107 --> 01:35:20,210
and it kind of was
made true to us
1385
01:35:20,278 --> 01:35:22,413
that, that was
the case with Hayley,
1386
01:35:22,481 --> 01:35:25,216
that she had walked
while she was on fire,
1387
01:35:25,283 --> 01:35:27,485
because she fell down
and the front of her
1388
01:35:27,553 --> 01:35:31,188
was more burned than
the back of her.
1389
01:35:32,892 --> 01:35:34,726
I was crying
and I just felt like.
1390
01:35:34,794 --> 01:35:39,297
I wanted to get out of that courtroom
and scream and just say, you know,
1391
01:35:39,365 --> 01:35:41,566
"I can't believe what's
going on in there."
1392
01:35:41,633 --> 01:35:45,135
You know, I just...
It's making me so angry,
1393
01:35:45,203 --> 01:35:48,105
and I can't understand
why somebody couldn't have
1394
01:35:48,173 --> 01:35:51,175
ventilated that house for the girls
while they were still alive,
1395
01:35:51,243 --> 01:35:55,880
and I just...
I want it to be so different.
1396
01:35:55,948 --> 01:35:58,115
We're
finally seeing the defense
1397
01:35:58,183 --> 01:36:03,187
giving tough questioning to the Cheshire
police officers who initially responded
1398
01:36:03,222 --> 01:36:05,423
to the call of
that home invasion.
1399
01:36:05,490 --> 01:36:07,392
The officers said
they followed protocol.
1400
01:36:07,460 --> 01:36:09,760
Doctor William Petit
has always supported
1401
01:36:09,828 --> 01:36:12,163
the actions of the
Cheshire Police Department.
1402
01:36:12,231 --> 01:36:14,966
One captain testifying
that the incident
1403
01:36:15,033 --> 01:36:17,935
did not make sense
at first, and he said,
1404
01:36:18,003 --> 01:36:20,438
"It still doesn't
make sense today."
1405
01:36:42,294 --> 01:36:44,662
Steven admitted
to killing the mom.
1406
01:36:44,730 --> 01:36:46,330
He admitted to raping the mom.
1407
01:36:46,599 --> 01:36:49,433
He admitted to
spreading gasoline,
1408
01:36:49,501 --> 01:36:51,035
I mean, so it's not like
1409
01:36:51,102 --> 01:36:55,340
he was trying to get himself
out from under in any way.
1410
01:36:55,674 --> 01:37:01,179
And yet Josh was getting this story
out that Steven knew was false.
1411
01:37:01,246 --> 01:37:05,250
Joshua tried to minimize the sexual
assault, not make it out to be a rape,
1412
01:37:05,317 --> 01:37:09,888
that it was just contact and
ejaculation, which is absurd given
1413
01:37:09,955 --> 01:37:12,423
the scientific evidence
that exists.
1414
01:37:12,490 --> 01:37:18,162
He tried to blame Steven solely for
being the person who initiated
1415
01:37:18,164 --> 01:37:20,565
the gasoline and lighting
the gasoline
1416
01:37:20,632 --> 01:37:23,801
when there's gasoline
on both of their clothes.
1417
01:37:23,869 --> 01:37:27,972
Josh Komisarjevsky was the
one who was suggesting
1418
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:32,676
that they go into a house
where people were,
1419
01:37:32,744 --> 01:37:35,746
and for Steven, this was a
foolish thing, because he was
1420
01:37:35,814 --> 01:37:40,184
obviously, with a guy
who was uncontrollable.
1421
01:37:44,589 --> 01:37:50,795
And I think it haunts him, really haunts
him, as to why he didn't walk away.
1422
01:37:53,265 --> 01:37:56,734
Steven's in an isolation
cell 24 hours a day.
1423
01:37:59,004 --> 01:38:02,574
He has nightmares. He has nightmares
about his own kid burning.
1424
01:38:04,577 --> 01:38:09,313
This is the way his incarceration
will last, forever.
1425
01:38:09,448 --> 01:38:13,484
So, you know, I don't know
why we have to kill
1426
01:38:13,551 --> 01:38:16,154
someone who's
in a position like that.
1427
01:38:16,221 --> 01:38:18,689
It's like being buried alive.
1428
01:38:22,694 --> 01:38:25,396
We, the defense
team, always believed
1429
01:38:25,463 --> 01:38:28,565
that Joshua never had
the intention to kill anybody.
1430
01:38:30,635 --> 01:38:33,637
After he bashed Dr. Petit's
head several times,
1431
01:38:33,705 --> 01:38:36,140
later on, he got a towel.
1432
01:38:36,208 --> 01:38:39,043
He wiped the blood away
from Dr. Petit's head.
1433
01:38:39,111 --> 01:38:43,014
He then got two pillows,
put them behind his back,
1434
01:38:43,082 --> 01:38:45,550
and he got two cushions,
and his explanation,
1435
01:38:45,617 --> 01:38:48,218
which is in his confession,
was that he did so
1436
01:38:48,286 --> 01:38:51,021
because he thought Dr. Petit
wasn't comfortable enough,
1437
01:38:51,089 --> 01:38:53,223
and he was concerned
about his comfort.
1438
01:38:56,061 --> 01:38:59,063
Why didn't he simply walk
in and undo the bindings?
1439
01:39:00,365 --> 01:39:03,133
Dr. Leo Shea,
a neuropsychologist, testified
1440
01:39:03,201 --> 01:39:07,571
that Joshua was unable to make quick
decisions in stressful situations.
1441
01:39:10,809 --> 01:39:16,213
What occurred with Michaela
is absolutely unexplainable.
1442
01:39:16,281 --> 01:39:21,719
Such a horrendous crime
committed on such a young girl.
1443
01:39:21,786 --> 01:39:24,522
People go to jail for a long
time for crimes like that,
1444
01:39:24,589 --> 01:39:26,891
but you don't get
the death penalty.
1445
01:39:28,526 --> 01:39:32,830
When Joshua was apprehended,
when he was pulled from the car,
1446
01:39:32,898 --> 01:39:34,532
he was straight
with the police.
1447
01:39:34,599 --> 01:39:36,767
When Steven Hayes was pulled from
the car, he gave a phony name,
1448
01:39:36,835 --> 01:39:38,535
and when asked, "Was there
anybody in the house?",
1449
01:39:38,604 --> 01:39:40,071
he said, "I don't know."
1450
01:39:40,138 --> 01:39:41,872
When Joshua was pulled
from the car,
1451
01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:45,342
he gave his name and he said,
"There's a woman inside,"
1452
01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:47,812
"I believe she's dead, and
upstairs there's two girls,"
1453
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:51,082
and he expressed to the police that there
was some urgency to the situation,
1454
01:39:51,149 --> 01:39:54,318
which was pretty obvious because at
that time, the house was burning.
1455
01:39:54,385 --> 01:39:58,355
To me, these are things that are inconsistent
with intending to kill somebody.
1456
01:40:11,503 --> 01:40:14,538
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
1457
01:40:14,606 --> 01:40:16,407
Everybody
came here safe,
1458
01:40:16,474 --> 01:40:19,410
you know, just to support.
1459
01:40:19,478 --> 01:40:23,614
You know, the teachers,
after Michaela died, said, uh...
1460
01:40:23,681 --> 01:40:25,349
Whenever, uh...
1461
01:40:32,057 --> 01:40:35,459
Whenever someone in the class...
1462
01:40:41,099 --> 01:40:45,603
She said, "Dr. Petit,
I just have to tell you that"
1463
01:40:45,605 --> 01:40:48,372
"your daughter Michaela
was always the one to"
1464
01:40:48,374 --> 01:40:50,007
"go with the kid
who was excluded,"
1465
01:40:50,075 --> 01:40:52,343
and I thank you for
standing up for justice
1466
01:40:52,411 --> 01:40:54,545
and what is morally
and ethically correct.
1467
01:40:54,613 --> 01:40:56,280
Thank you.
1468
01:41:07,326 --> 01:41:09,693
Dr. Petit is
pretty much out there
1469
01:41:09,761 --> 01:41:15,700
with his foundation, which is obviously a
really good thing and should be supported,
1470
01:41:15,767 --> 01:41:20,070
but we're in the middle of the state
trying to get the death penalty.
1471
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:27,378
So, as much as I have
incredible sympathy for him,
1472
01:41:27,445 --> 01:41:32,383
I think his outspokenness
in this case
1473
01:41:32,451 --> 01:41:36,754
has really affected any
ability to get a fair trial
1474
01:41:36,822 --> 01:41:39,590
for either of these
two defendants.
1475
01:41:39,658 --> 01:41:40,891
What happened,
what was said
1476
01:41:40,959 --> 01:41:42,827
during that conversation
with Dr. Petit
1477
01:41:42,894 --> 01:41:45,897
that made you just
make a 180?
1478
01:41:45,899 --> 01:41:49,633
Dr. Petit came in
with his sister-in-law, Mrs. Chapman.
1479
01:41:50,869 --> 01:41:54,205
They said if the
legislature this year
1480
01:41:54,506 --> 01:41:56,641
votes to repeal
the death penalty,
1481
01:41:57,776 --> 01:42:00,411
it'll make it harder
for the jury
1482
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:04,215
to make the decision
of the death penalty
1483
01:42:04,283 --> 01:42:08,952
for this monster,
this Komisarjevsky.
1484
01:42:09,020 --> 01:42:11,555
I can only imagine that
one-on-one conversation.
1485
01:42:11,623 --> 01:42:13,557
You're sitting as close
as probably we are now.
1486
01:42:13,625 --> 01:42:18,162
You have no idea.
I could not bring myself
1487
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:22,733
to cause this man
any more stress.
1488
01:42:22,801 --> 01:42:25,302
He's a monster.
He is a monster.
1489
01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:27,137
And I said,
"He's such a monster
1490
01:42:27,205 --> 01:42:29,406
"they should hang
him by his penis
1491
01:42:29,474 --> 01:42:31,642
"out from a tree
in main streets."
1492
01:42:31,710 --> 01:42:36,513
I can't think of anything bad enough
that should happen to that man.
1493
01:42:45,257 --> 01:42:50,928
I actually got to see Steve
twice, well, the past two Sundays.
1494
01:42:50,996 --> 01:42:52,796
When I first saw him,
I wanted to cry,
1495
01:42:52,864 --> 01:42:54,798
because I haven't
seen him in so long,
1496
01:42:54,866 --> 01:42:59,003
but I just didn't want to cry
under those circumstances.
1497
01:42:59,070 --> 01:43:02,406
You had all the guards
standing right on top of you.
1498
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:07,245
And you can't talk
about the trial because,
1499
01:43:07,312 --> 01:43:09,880
like, you know that the
phones are pretty tapped.
1500
01:43:12,717 --> 01:43:18,422
I know that that family wants him to
be dead and it all to be over with,
1501
01:43:18,489 --> 01:43:22,994
but, like, my side of the family,
we just want him to, like,
1502
01:43:23,061 --> 01:43:24,962
take responsibility
for what he did
1503
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:28,266
without the consequence
of the death penalty.
1504
01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:30,067
That won't bring anyone back.
1505
01:43:32,170 --> 01:43:34,238
What happened, happened,
and his death
1506
01:43:34,306 --> 01:43:37,174
isn't gonna bring
about much justice.
1507
01:43:43,147 --> 01:43:45,215
Steven
Hayes walked into room 6A.
1508
01:43:45,283 --> 01:43:47,284
For the first time,
he saw a familiar face.
1509
01:43:47,352 --> 01:43:49,252
It was his brother Matthew.
1510
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:52,389
The first time that we believe a Hayes
family member has been in court.
1511
01:44:15,613 --> 01:44:17,647
Prosecutor
Michael Dearington said,
1512
01:44:17,715 --> 01:44:20,684
"These two beautiful girls
and loving mother were killed"
1513
01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:23,253
"because Steven Hayes
wanted money."
1514
01:44:23,321 --> 01:44:26,190
Defense attorney Thomas Ullmann
argued that life without parole
1515
01:44:26,258 --> 01:44:29,093
is the harshest punishment
Steven Hayes could be given.
1516
01:44:37,468 --> 01:44:38,936
State's
attorney, Gary Nicholson,
1517
01:44:39,004 --> 01:44:42,106
did not mince words as
he spoke to the jury
1518
01:44:42,173 --> 01:44:43,941
in his closing arguments
this morning,
1519
01:44:44,009 --> 01:44:46,843
saying that Joshua
Komisarjevsky is, quote,
1520
01:44:46,911 --> 01:44:48,345
"No shrinking violet."
1521
01:44:48,413 --> 01:44:51,582
"He played a starring
role in this crime."
1522
01:44:51,649 --> 01:44:56,287
Nicholson hammered the point that
Komisarjevsky was first in the house,
1523
01:44:56,355 --> 01:45:00,724
the first to use violence, and had
plenty of opportunity to leave the home.
1524
01:45:00,792 --> 01:45:02,760
He gave Steven Hayes
directions back to the house,
1525
01:45:02,827 --> 01:45:05,295
when Hayes went
and bought gasoline...
1526
01:45:05,363 --> 01:45:06,730
It's not fair, is it?
1527
01:45:06,798 --> 01:45:07,898
No.
1528
01:45:07,966 --> 01:45:09,867
No. Hmm.
1529
01:45:20,445 --> 01:45:25,782
You know, all I think of is the impact that
our girls could've made upon the world.
1530
01:45:27,519 --> 01:45:31,689
And, of course, none of that
will ever come forth from
1531
01:45:31,756 --> 01:45:33,924
Joshua Komisarjevsky.
1532
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:36,927
Mmm.
1533
01:45:38,963 --> 01:45:40,498
What's the jury weighing?
1534
01:45:40,565 --> 01:45:43,066
Aggravating factors
against mitigating factors.
1535
01:45:43,135 --> 01:45:45,736
The aggravating factors brought
out by the prosecution.
1536
01:45:45,803 --> 01:45:47,738
The heinous nature
of the crimes.
1537
01:45:47,806 --> 01:45:50,140
For the mitigating factors
that the defense presented,
1538
01:45:50,208 --> 01:45:54,445
they pointed to a very difficult early
childhood of Joshua Komisarjevsky.
1539
01:45:54,512 --> 01:45:57,114
The defense said they
turned to prayer instead.
1540
01:45:57,182 --> 01:46:00,150
They also pointed to a series of
concussions when he was a boy,
1541
01:46:00,218 --> 01:46:02,586
drug use in his teenage
and early twenty years,
1542
01:46:02,654 --> 01:46:04,555
all saying it mitigates
what happens.
1543
01:46:04,623 --> 01:46:07,190
It means he didn't really
know what was going on,
1544
01:46:07,259 --> 01:46:11,862
couldn't make a decision to stop what was
going on that night in July of 2007,
1545
01:46:11,929 --> 01:46:14,364
and so his life
should be spared.
1546
01:46:14,432 --> 01:46:17,468
No verdict today. We do expect a
verdict by the end of the week.
1547
01:46:23,141 --> 01:46:26,243
We're good.
You guys can reach, right?
1548
01:46:26,311 --> 01:46:31,849
Oh, Lord, we gather
around this table as family and friends.
1549
01:46:31,916 --> 01:46:34,518
We stand at a place
in the trial where
1550
01:46:35,954 --> 01:46:37,955
we wonder what
will take place.
1551
01:46:39,858 --> 01:46:43,493
But we pray, oh, God, that we
will be able to be strong enough
1552
01:46:44,929 --> 01:46:47,498
to accept whatever
the outcome may be,
1553
01:46:49,034 --> 01:46:53,304
that it would be your
will that would be done.
1554
01:46:53,371 --> 01:46:57,007
For we ask it in the
name of Christ. Amen.
1555
01:46:57,075 --> 01:46:58,842
Amen.
1556
01:47:02,047 --> 01:47:05,315
This is all about death
or life without parole.
1557
01:47:05,383 --> 01:47:08,486
Really, it does seem
like the most kind, humane thing
1558
01:47:08,553 --> 01:47:10,954
you could do for a person
is to allow them...
1559
01:47:12,323 --> 01:47:13,891
...to just die.
1560
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:21,431
I thought of how much
that challenges the jurors.
1561
01:47:21,499 --> 01:47:26,103
A lot of pressure has
been placed upon their shoulders.
1562
01:47:27,272 --> 01:47:30,141
I'm glad I'm not
in that room.
1563
01:47:31,009 --> 01:47:33,377
Yeah.
1564
01:47:33,445 --> 01:47:35,412
They'll never get
those pictures
1565
01:47:35,480 --> 01:47:38,248
out of their heads for the
rest of their lives, you know?
1566
01:47:38,316 --> 01:47:39,816
Yes, I know.
1567
01:47:39,884 --> 01:47:43,753
It's been very
traumatic for everyone.
1568
01:48:06,244 --> 01:48:09,946
This is a case
that has just rattled people,
1569
01:48:10,014 --> 01:48:12,383
and a lot of people say
that if there is a case
1570
01:48:12,450 --> 01:48:15,152
that warrants the
death penalty, this is it.
1571
01:48:15,219 --> 01:48:16,353
Wait a minute.
I want to read you something
1572
01:48:16,421 --> 01:48:19,156
that we're, uh, we're
getting some word on,
1573
01:48:19,223 --> 01:48:20,791
and you might be able
to explain it to us.
1574
01:48:20,859 --> 01:48:24,227
The jurors are standing. The clerk
is reading the verdict form.
1575
01:48:24,295 --> 01:48:26,864
Count four,
no statutory mitigators.
1576
01:48:26,932 --> 01:48:29,132
Both aggravators are proven.
1577
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:34,105
Uh, okay. The defendant is
sentenced to death, Sunny.
1578
01:48:34,172 --> 01:48:35,939
The jury returns.
1579
01:48:36,007 --> 01:48:37,374
Death penalty verdict.
1580
01:48:37,441 --> 01:48:39,243
Death for the
monster who slaughtered
1581
01:48:39,310 --> 01:48:41,578
the Connecticut
doctor's family.
1582
01:48:41,646 --> 01:48:44,348
Tonight, a Connecticut jury
has done something very rare.
1583
01:48:44,415 --> 01:48:47,084
A Connecticut jury has recommended
death for Steven Hayes.
1584
01:48:47,151 --> 01:48:49,052
He's convicted of raping
and murdering a mom,
1585
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:52,289
Jennifer Hawke-Petit, and her two
daughters, Hayley and Michaela...
1586
01:48:56,794 --> 01:48:59,096
The verdict was devastating.
1587
01:49:00,932 --> 01:49:05,569
Steven wanted a death verdict and
knew we did everything in our power
1588
01:49:05,636 --> 01:49:07,704
to prevent that
from happening,
1589
01:49:07,772 --> 01:49:10,240
in spite of his own
efforts to kill himself.
1590
01:49:29,493 --> 01:49:31,462
This case
gets attention in Australia.
1591
01:49:31,529 --> 01:49:33,497
It got attention in Europe.
1592
01:49:33,565 --> 01:49:36,667
You know, this was Anytown,
America, any-family America,
1593
01:49:36,735 --> 01:49:39,470
and when you saw just how
that was shattered
1594
01:49:39,537 --> 01:49:41,972
in a few hours, I think
that's powerful...
1595
01:49:45,543 --> 01:49:47,911
Count five is death.
1596
01:49:47,979 --> 01:49:51,615
The second count, count five in the
murder of Michaela Petit, is death,
1597
01:49:51,683 --> 01:49:55,052
that he intentionally caused the death
of a person under 16 years old.
1598
01:49:56,353 --> 01:49:58,556
All right, count 10 is death.
1599
01:49:58,623 --> 01:50:02,192
That's, he intentionally caused the death
of Jennifer Hawke-Petit, the mother.
1600
01:50:04,396 --> 01:50:06,430
Okay, count 11 is death.
1601
01:50:12,203 --> 01:50:15,406
A couple of marshals
came up behind Joshua in cuffs
1602
01:50:15,473 --> 01:50:17,708
and really no reaction at all.
1603
01:50:17,775 --> 01:50:20,711
Given the public outrage
for these horrendous crimes,
1604
01:50:20,779 --> 01:50:22,278
that we just couldn't
get a fair jury here
1605
01:50:22,346 --> 01:50:23,747
and we still
feel that way,
1606
01:50:23,815 --> 01:50:26,083
and that's why we had filed
a motion to change venue
1607
01:50:26,151 --> 01:50:27,884
and believe it
should have been...
1608
01:50:27,952 --> 01:50:31,121
Should have been granted, so that'll
be one of the main appellate issues.
1609
01:50:31,123 --> 01:50:33,090
I believe the death
penalty is just barbaric
1610
01:50:33,157 --> 01:50:38,762
and it puts us in line with countries
like China, Yemen, Iraq, Iran.
1611
01:50:38,829 --> 01:50:42,098
I don't know what other purpose it
serves other than simply revenge.
1612
01:50:42,234 --> 01:50:43,934
Walter Bansley III,
thank you very much.
1613
01:50:44,001 --> 01:50:47,071
Denise, of course, yeah, we're gonna
have continuing coverage here.
1614
01:50:47,138 --> 01:50:50,807
The death penalty has been
given to Joshua Komisarjevsky.
1615
01:50:59,684 --> 01:51:04,855
We are satisfied that
the defendant has been judged
1616
01:51:04,923 --> 01:51:09,459
to be the murderer, the rapist,
and criminal that he is.
1617
01:51:09,527 --> 01:51:13,663
And now he's been condemned
to the ultimate penalty.
1618
01:51:13,731 --> 01:51:16,599
We certainly have been
criticized over the years
1619
01:51:16,667 --> 01:51:22,906
that this is vengeance and blood lust,
but this is really about justice.
1620
01:51:22,974 --> 01:51:26,976
We want to go forward with
the Petit Family Foundation
1621
01:51:27,044 --> 01:51:32,216
and try to continue to create
good out of evil and...
1622
01:51:32,283 --> 01:51:34,985
The defense did what they
thought they should do.
1623
01:51:35,052 --> 01:51:37,688
I thought a lot of it was
particularly distasteful.
1624
01:51:38,723 --> 01:51:41,425
We saw picture after
picture after picture,
1625
01:51:41,492 --> 01:51:43,961
and every time one of those
pictures went up, I thought,
1626
01:51:44,028 --> 01:51:45,862
"Charles Manson
was a baby once."
1627
01:51:45,930 --> 01:51:49,299
"I'm not sure that this
is particularly relevant."
1628
01:51:49,366 --> 01:51:53,403
I'd just like to thank our justice
system as well as the jury members,
1629
01:51:53,471 --> 01:51:58,708
listening to a lot of things that they
would much rather not heard or seen.
1630
01:51:58,776 --> 01:52:01,811
I believe that without
our defense attorneys,
1631
01:52:01,879 --> 01:52:06,015
we could not have the
outcome that we have,
1632
01:52:06,083 --> 01:52:08,318
so we have to even
be appreciative
1633
01:52:08,386 --> 01:52:12,656
that there are defense attorneys
that will take cases like this.
1634
01:52:12,723 --> 01:52:15,759
And I believe God's
will has been done.
1635
01:52:23,501 --> 01:52:25,435
I don't really want
to answer any questions.
1636
01:52:25,503 --> 01:52:31,007
I feel so sad
that my answers would be...
1637
01:52:31,075 --> 01:52:33,109
I don't know if any of
the other defense attorneys...
1638
01:52:33,177 --> 01:52:34,378
...on death row now.
1639
01:52:34,445 --> 01:52:36,246
There will be
automatic appeals.
1640
01:52:36,314 --> 01:52:37,981
There will be
appeals upon appeals.
1641
01:52:38,049 --> 01:52:41,318
This will go on for years
and years and years, and...
1642
01:52:46,858 --> 01:52:50,728
We offered to plead guilty to
every charge in the information against us
1643
01:52:50,795 --> 01:52:53,496
so long as death
wasn't the result.
1644
01:52:53,564 --> 01:52:58,468
And so Joshua would've been sentenced to
life without the possibility of release.
1645
01:52:58,535 --> 01:53:01,972
It would've happened, you know, three
weeks after the crime had taken place.
1646
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:05,675
Josh would've disappeared
into the, into the great abyss
1647
01:53:05,743 --> 01:53:11,715
of the penal system, and would
never be heard from again.
1648
01:53:11,782 --> 01:53:17,020
But that wasn't a serious enough
punishment for the state,
1649
01:53:17,088 --> 01:53:21,658
and of course, the state was
being goaded on by Dr. Petit.
1650
01:53:21,726 --> 01:53:26,463
And so we had to go through three
years of Hayes and Joshua,
1651
01:53:28,199 --> 01:53:30,467
and just forcing the
people of Connecticut
1652
01:53:30,534 --> 01:53:32,636
to relive that crime,
day, after day, after day,
1653
01:53:32,703 --> 01:53:36,239
I think kind of coarsened the
social fabric of Connecticut.
1654
01:53:36,374 --> 01:53:38,375
It would've been so much better
just to throw those guys in jail
1655
01:53:38,442 --> 01:53:40,110
and throw away the key, but...
1656
01:54:12,377 --> 01:54:15,478
The most difficult
thing that I had to do in my life
1657
01:54:15,546 --> 01:54:20,284
was to bury my own child
and two grandchildren.
1658
01:54:25,356 --> 01:54:28,224
I don't think there
will ever be closure
1659
01:54:29,227 --> 01:54:31,127
for our family.
1660
01:54:33,731 --> 01:54:40,403
Jennifer was too much of
a giving, loving person,
1661
01:54:40,538 --> 01:54:44,207
and I don't think that
we will ever, ever,
1662
01:54:44,275 --> 01:54:49,445
if we live another 100 years,
would ever want to forget her.
1663
01:54:49,513 --> 01:54:51,814
So if closure
brings forgetting,
1664
01:54:53,050 --> 01:54:54,985
I don't want that closure.
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