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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:32,801 --> 00:00:33,634 Cheshire Emergency. 2 00:00:33,701 --> 00:00:34,868 My name is Mary Lyons. 3 00:00:34,934 --> 00:00:37,434 I'm the banking center manager. 4 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:40,868 We have a lady who is in our bank right now 5 00:00:40,934 --> 00:00:44,334 who says that her husband and children 6 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,100 are being held at their house. 7 00:00:47,167 --> 00:00:49,434 The people are in a car outside the bank. 8 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:53,334 She is getting $15,000 to bring out to them, 9 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,167 that if the police are told, they will kill 10 00:00:55,234 --> 00:00:57,701 the children and the husband. 11 00:00:57,767 --> 00:01:02,400 Her name is Jennifer Petit... P-e-t-i-t. 12 00:01:02,467 --> 00:01:03,801 OK. Is she still in the bank? 13 00:01:03,868 --> 00:01:05,400 Yes, she is. 14 00:01:05,467 --> 00:01:07,534 OK. She's being held or... 15 00:01:07,601 --> 00:01:09,868 Her... her husband... husband and family is being held? 16 00:01:09,934 --> 00:01:11,367 Yes. At their house? 17 00:01:11,434 --> 00:01:13,734 Yes. They're tied up. 18 00:01:13,801 --> 00:01:16,200 She said they drove her here. 19 00:01:16,267 --> 00:01:18,067 I'm trying to look and see where she's gone. 20 00:01:18,133 --> 00:01:19,434 She went outside but I don't... 21 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:21,234 Oh, wait, I see her walking now. 22 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:22,934 She is petrified. 23 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,033 And we have... 24 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:09,100 Again, facts like that I can't comment on. 25 00:02:15,601 --> 00:02:17,367 And a male survivor. 26 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,067 Upon arrival at the victims' residence, 27 00:02:24,133 --> 00:02:27,634 the first officer observed two male subjects 28 00:02:27,701 --> 00:02:31,934 exit private residence and also observed 29 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,968 the private residence fully engulfed in flame. 30 00:02:36,033 --> 00:02:40,000 The suspect vehicle rammed the Cheshire police officer's car 31 00:02:40,067 --> 00:02:45,634 and continued on Sorghum Mill Road. 32 00:02:45,701 --> 00:02:48,067 Tonight, police removed the body of one of the victims 33 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:52,734 after a home invasion leaves a mother and her two daughters dead. 34 00:02:52,801 --> 00:02:53,901 The suspects, 35 00:02:53,968 --> 00:02:57,267 26-year-old Joshua Komisarjevsky of Cheshire 36 00:02:57,334 --> 00:02:59,400 and 44-year-old Steven Hayes of Winsted 37 00:02:59,467 --> 00:03:03,167 were caught while trying to escape in the Petits' car. 38 00:03:03,234 --> 00:03:05,434 Now, the only question remains that why 39 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:08,033 did this happen to the Petit family. 40 00:03:32,701 --> 00:03:39,200 There's not one word that I can use to describe our town, 41 00:03:39,267 --> 00:03:41,067 but it's a phenomenal town. 42 00:03:51,601 --> 00:03:54,234 It's known as the bedding capital of Connecticut, 43 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,033 for bedding plants. 44 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:59,100 It was historically a farming community, 45 00:03:59,167 --> 00:04:02,601 a lot of family farms, and as 46 00:04:02,667 --> 00:04:03,844 the state of Connecticut grew, 47 00:04:03,868 --> 00:04:05,844 as the cities surrounding the town of Cheshire grew, 48 00:04:05,868 --> 00:04:08,801 it ultimately became a bedroom community, 49 00:04:08,868 --> 00:04:12,300 which I think is probably the way most people think of Cheshire. 50 00:04:28,968 --> 00:04:30,667 Returning now to tonight's top story. 51 00:04:30,734 --> 00:04:33,000 A mother and her two daughters are dead, 52 00:04:33,067 --> 00:04:35,601 their father severely injured, after a home invasion 53 00:04:35,667 --> 00:04:37,601 stunned the town of Cheshire. 54 00:04:37,667 --> 00:04:39,734 The suspects apparently set the house on fire 55 00:04:39,801 --> 00:04:42,167 as well as some of the victims. 56 00:04:42,234 --> 00:04:44,601 Jennifer Petit, her cause of death 57 00:04:44,667 --> 00:04:47,400 has been asphyxiation from strangulation. 58 00:04:47,467 --> 00:04:51,000 Her daughters Hayley and Michaela died from smoke inhalation. 59 00:05:18,267 --> 00:05:20,801 I got a phone call here on Monday afternoon 60 00:05:20,868 --> 00:05:24,033 from Billy's sister, and I said, 61 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:27,167 "Hannah, it's about the girls, isn't it?" 62 00:05:27,234 --> 00:05:29,767 And she said, "These two men came in 63 00:05:29,834 --> 00:05:32,634 "at what they think was 3:00 in the morning 64 00:05:32,701 --> 00:05:36,267 "and they beat Billy really badly with a baseball bat 65 00:05:36,334 --> 00:05:39,133 "and his head's all split apart, 66 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,467 "and then they proceeded to do 67 00:05:41,534 --> 00:05:44,801 "all these awful things to the girls, 68 00:05:44,868 --> 00:05:47,701 and they tied them to their beds." 69 00:05:50,167 --> 00:05:53,701 "About 9:00, Jen was made to go to the bank 70 00:05:53,767 --> 00:05:56,500 "and withdraw money and then 71 00:05:56,567 --> 00:05:58,767 "when she came back from the bank, 72 00:05:58,834 --> 00:06:01,601 "they set the house on fire and killed them all 73 00:06:01,667 --> 00:06:05,167 "so that they could try to cover up their tracks, I guess, 74 00:06:05,234 --> 00:06:07,267 but they got the two guys," 75 00:06:07,334 --> 00:06:11,734 and all I could think was, "Who cares if they got the two guys? 76 00:06:11,801 --> 00:06:14,434 "We don't have our loved ones anymore, 77 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:16,601 and that's all we had." 78 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:22,334 Wild lingonberry. Have you ever had that? 79 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,968 Lingonberry. 80 00:06:25,033 --> 00:06:29,500 It's from England, somewhere. 81 00:06:29,567 --> 00:06:33,067 The hardest thing I think I've ever had to do in my life 82 00:06:33,133 --> 00:06:37,300 was to tell my parents that one of their other children, 83 00:06:37,367 --> 00:06:40,467 their only other child, was dead, 84 00:06:40,534 --> 00:06:46,834 and their two grandchildren, two of their four. 85 00:06:46,901 --> 00:06:51,901 She quickly told us that the home was set on fire but. 86 00:06:51,968 --> 00:06:54,667 Bill escaped. 87 00:06:54,734 --> 00:07:00,167 We went to the hospital and got to see Bill for the first time. 88 00:07:00,234 --> 00:07:03,634 He was badly beaten and he 89 00:07:03,701 --> 00:07:08,701 tried to apologize to us for not saving our daughter 90 00:07:08,767 --> 00:07:11,667 and our grandchildren. 91 00:07:11,734 --> 00:07:14,701 And we had to convince him that 92 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:18,267 he was in no condition to be able to save anyone 93 00:07:18,334 --> 00:07:20,000 and we were grateful... 94 00:07:20,067 --> 00:07:21,400 that he was alive. 95 00:07:21,467 --> 00:07:22,968 That he was alive. 96 00:07:23,033 --> 00:07:26,868 This is the last... sort of picture that we had together. 97 00:07:29,334 --> 00:07:31,934 My sister... she was beautiful, 98 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,267 and she was usually, like, the lead in the plays at school. 99 00:07:35,334 --> 00:07:37,067 She was on the homecoming court. 100 00:07:37,133 --> 00:07:40,534 She was captain of the Trojanette team. 101 00:07:40,601 --> 00:07:44,901 So she really was kind of like a winner person. 102 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:49,767 Bill was a committed, dedicated doctor. 103 00:07:49,834 --> 00:07:52,968 Would leave at 7:00 in the morning 104 00:07:53,033 --> 00:07:59,934 and not be back home until maybe 9:00, 9:30. 105 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,067 When Jen was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, 106 00:08:04,133 --> 00:08:07,834 Hayley really wanted to raise money because 107 00:08:07,901 --> 00:08:10,000 she felt like if she didn't do anything, 108 00:08:10,067 --> 00:08:12,667 it was possible that her mother could die. 109 00:08:15,434 --> 00:08:18,667 Hayley was able to raise a little over $50,000 110 00:08:18,734 --> 00:08:24,434 being a spokesperson for the MS Society here in Connecticut, 111 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:28,067 receiving awards for that, although you'd never know it. 112 00:08:29,901 --> 00:08:32,868 I hardly knew about Hayley helping with MS, 113 00:08:32,934 --> 00:08:36,167 and that was just because she was just so quiet about everything, 114 00:08:36,234 --> 00:08:38,176 and she could have bragged about everything she did. 115 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,767 I mean, she was a straight- "A" student. 116 00:08:42,334 --> 00:08:44,334 I think about her all the time. 117 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,680 It's hard not to think about her. 118 00:08:45,734 --> 00:08:48,667 You'll find just something to relate to her about. 119 00:08:51,367 --> 00:08:54,334 Michaela sometimes shied away from adults, 120 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,467 but she saw somebody was having a difficult time, 121 00:08:57,534 --> 00:08:59,734 she went to them and tried to help 122 00:08:59,801 --> 00:09:01,868 with whatever she could. 123 00:09:06,901 --> 00:09:10,667 Their lives were just centered around 124 00:09:10,734 --> 00:09:16,701 a sense of sociability, justice. 125 00:09:16,767 --> 00:09:20,367 And if I didn't smile about it, I'd have to cry. 126 00:09:31,767 --> 00:09:35,100 Apparently, these two losers followed 127 00:09:35,167 --> 00:09:39,100 Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her 11-year-old daughter 128 00:09:39,167 --> 00:09:42,234 to the Stop and Shop on Sunday night. 129 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:44,767 They followed them. 130 00:09:44,834 --> 00:09:49,200 And the first Cheshire police officer to arrive at the scene 131 00:09:49,267 --> 00:09:53,367 heard at least one of the girls screaming from inside the house. 132 00:09:53,434 --> 00:09:54,901 Those animals, what they did 133 00:09:54,968 --> 00:09:56,968 to those poor people of Cheshire, 134 00:09:57,033 --> 00:10:00,100 I can't even believe that they're gonna give them a trial. 135 00:10:00,167 --> 00:10:03,133 What kind of laws do we have in this state 136 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,267 where they don't just execute those animals? 137 00:10:05,334 --> 00:10:08,467 Well, Tony, the reaction by the public certainly 138 00:10:08,534 --> 00:10:11,067 is for that, but it is... 139 00:10:13,467 --> 00:10:19,000 To destroy a family the way those two did... heinous. 140 00:10:19,067 --> 00:10:22,300 My verdict... fry them. Hang them. 141 00:10:22,367 --> 00:10:23,934 Do whatever you gotta do. 142 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,634 Make sure they ain't gonna walk this earth again. 143 00:10:34,234 --> 00:10:35,367 Can we switch? 144 00:10:35,434 --> 00:10:37,033 Yup. 145 00:10:39,467 --> 00:10:41,968 You need more? Yeah. I'm gonna need a little more. 146 00:10:42,033 --> 00:10:45,033 I don't think evil like this has happened since "In Cold Blood." 147 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:46,701 I really don't. Not that I know of. 148 00:10:46,767 --> 00:10:50,868 And we went from being a quiet, peaceful town in New England 149 00:10:50,934 --> 00:10:54,267 to overnight people installing alarm systems 150 00:10:54,334 --> 00:10:56,500 and panic buttons and panic rooms. 151 00:11:00,367 --> 00:11:05,634 People in town refer to it as Cheshire's 9/11. 152 00:11:05,701 --> 00:11:09,601 You know, life was one way and then it's another. 153 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:16,801 God has promised to be with us through thick 154 00:11:16,868 --> 00:11:19,133 and through thin. 155 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,267 All other ground is indeed sinking sand. 156 00:11:42,701 --> 00:11:48,367 Well, first of all... thank you 157 00:11:48,434 --> 00:11:56,367 for all coming out today to honor the memory of the girls. 158 00:11:56,434 --> 00:11:59,634 I'd really like to say thank you to... 159 00:12:01,934 --> 00:12:03,701 people from all over the state of Connecticut 160 00:12:03,767 --> 00:12:04,767 and all over the country. 161 00:12:04,801 --> 00:12:06,000 We've been... 162 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,968 surrounded with love and cards and flowers and prayer 163 00:12:14,033 --> 00:12:18,100 from east to west and north to south. 164 00:12:18,167 --> 00:12:22,567 I met Jen at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh. 165 00:12:25,167 --> 00:12:27,801 4 Med. She was a new nurse 166 00:12:27,868 --> 00:12:34,000 and I was the know-it-all third-year medical student. 167 00:12:34,067 --> 00:12:37,167 I was trying to correct Jen on how to take the blood pressure 168 00:12:37,234 --> 00:12:38,567 the correct way. 169 00:12:41,267 --> 00:12:44,601 I had about 3 minutes of experience at that point. 170 00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:51,234 But it became clear pretty quickly that 171 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:55,634 she knew more about pediatrics and how to care for kids 172 00:12:55,701 --> 00:12:58,534 than I had ever known. 173 00:12:58,601 --> 00:13:00,767 One of the nice things... 174 00:13:00,834 --> 00:13:03,267 Billy had never smelled smoke. 175 00:13:03,334 --> 00:13:06,968 He had never seen a fire. 176 00:13:07,033 --> 00:13:10,767 He had said that the only thing he ever heard 177 00:13:10,834 --> 00:13:14,400 of my sister was her, like, pleading nicely 178 00:13:14,467 --> 00:13:18,434 with these two men... "Can you please let me get my purse, 179 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:21,601 or they'll know that something is up at the bank." 180 00:13:22,868 --> 00:13:24,367 He had his legs tied together 181 00:13:24,434 --> 00:13:27,367 and he hopped up the outside basement steps 182 00:13:27,434 --> 00:13:29,400 and he said, "But sometimes I wish 183 00:13:29,467 --> 00:13:31,167 "I would've just gone to the inside 184 00:13:31,234 --> 00:13:34,834 "because then maybe, even if I had died in there, 185 00:13:34,901 --> 00:13:37,601 I could've done something." 186 00:13:37,667 --> 00:13:39,033 And I said, "No, Billy. 187 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:42,534 "You couldn't have done anything. 188 00:13:42,601 --> 00:13:45,701 "Attached to a pole with your hands and feet tied 189 00:13:45,767 --> 00:13:49,868 "in the basement with about 6 to 83-to 4-inch 190 00:13:49,934 --> 00:13:53,200 openings in your skull?" 191 00:13:53,267 --> 00:13:54,347 And we knew that the police 192 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,400 did not help my brother-in-law out of the house. 193 00:13:58,467 --> 00:14:03,000 So the chances that he lived surviving the blood loss 194 00:14:03,067 --> 00:14:07,100 are just miraculous in my mind. 195 00:14:07,167 --> 00:14:08,443 Joining me on the phone right now is. 196 00:14:08,467 --> 00:14:11,067 Lieutenant Jay Markella, the public information officer 197 00:14:11,133 --> 00:14:12,801 for the Cheshire Police Department. 198 00:14:12,868 --> 00:14:14,167 Thank you for joining us. 199 00:14:14,234 --> 00:14:15,400 Thank you for having me. 200 00:14:15,467 --> 00:14:16,677 Very little detail coming out, though, 201 00:14:16,701 --> 00:14:18,434 about exactly what happened. 202 00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:19,834 Was it when police showed up 203 00:14:19,901 --> 00:14:21,300 that they found the house on fire 204 00:14:21,367 --> 00:14:22,467 and caught these suspects? 205 00:14:22,534 --> 00:14:25,167 Because they were caught leaving the burning house. 206 00:14:25,234 --> 00:14:28,868 Yeah. It worked out so officers arrived on scene 207 00:14:28,934 --> 00:14:33,901 just as the suspects were leaving the residence. 208 00:14:33,968 --> 00:14:39,400 OK. I don't know how far we should go back, but... 209 00:14:39,467 --> 00:14:41,934 I'm a very detective-like person. 210 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,701 I like to know details, and until I know the details 211 00:14:45,767 --> 00:14:51,400 around things, it's hard to figure things out. 212 00:14:51,467 --> 00:14:55,300 I would like to know why my sister and Steven Hayes 213 00:14:55,367 --> 00:14:58,234 weren't stopped at the bank, 214 00:14:58,300 --> 00:15:00,434 why she wasn't held at the bank. 215 00:15:08,534 --> 00:15:11,701 There were some police officers that, off the record, 216 00:15:11,767 --> 00:15:14,767 said to people in the town that they heard the girls 217 00:15:14,834 --> 00:15:17,601 screaming in the end. 218 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:20,968 Did they try to enter? Did they not try to enter? 219 00:15:23,133 --> 00:15:26,367 And why weren't there policemen looking in the windows? 220 00:15:26,434 --> 00:15:30,767 My sister had no blinds on her windows. 221 00:15:30,834 --> 00:15:33,601 I just want the facts. 222 00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:38,767 And nobody has told us what really happened. 223 00:15:42,133 --> 00:15:43,968 And today, a state prosecutor said 224 00:15:44,033 --> 00:15:47,667 he'll seek the death penalty for Komisarjevsky and Hayes. 225 00:15:47,734 --> 00:15:50,167 Today, the state charged the men with 6 counts each 226 00:15:50,234 --> 00:15:52,234 of capital felony murder. 227 00:15:55,601 --> 00:15:58,801 I was driving back from the Adirondacks with my wife, 228 00:15:58,868 --> 00:16:02,500 coming through the Berkshires, not a care in the world, 229 00:16:02,567 --> 00:16:05,767 and I get a cell phone call. 230 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:08,634 Probably why I turned pale was because, 231 00:16:08,701 --> 00:16:10,043 you know, I had a sense as a lawyer 232 00:16:10,067 --> 00:16:12,601 where this was headed right from the beginning. 233 00:16:12,667 --> 00:16:16,434 You know, capital case, death penalty case, high profile. 234 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:18,200 And in my own head, I knew right away 235 00:16:18,267 --> 00:16:20,901 that that case was coming in to this office 236 00:16:20,968 --> 00:16:22,234 and that I'd be involved. 237 00:16:25,334 --> 00:16:28,067 Steven Hayes and Mr. Komisarjevsky 238 00:16:28,133 --> 00:16:31,200 were coming into Meriden court for arraignment. 239 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:37,100 Right from the first time that we met, 240 00:16:37,167 --> 00:16:41,200 Steven Hayes was suicidal, depressed, 241 00:16:41,267 --> 00:16:47,033 just doesn't really understand how this all happened. 242 00:16:51,934 --> 00:16:53,968 His record is lengthy. 243 00:16:54,033 --> 00:16:57,100 He's got all these burglaries. 244 00:16:57,167 --> 00:16:59,400 Most involve car burglaries, and in this state, burglary 245 00:16:59,467 --> 00:17:02,534 includes the break-in of a car. 246 00:17:02,601 --> 00:17:06,200 And they were all daytime. 247 00:17:06,267 --> 00:17:08,434 He'd sit and watch. People would park their cars. 248 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:10,834 They'd go walking on a trail. 249 00:17:10,901 --> 00:17:15,801 Break into their car and take a laptop or a radio or a phone. 250 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:19,500 So you were not dealing with someone who 251 00:17:19,567 --> 00:17:23,334 had the kind of classic history of violence 252 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,634 and all of a sudden stepped into the big time 253 00:17:25,701 --> 00:17:27,400 in terms of the next level of violence. 254 00:17:27,467 --> 00:17:28,701 You just didn't have it. 255 00:17:28,767 --> 00:17:30,434 There was no reason that anyone 256 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:34,167 would ever look at that history and think, 257 00:17:34,234 --> 00:17:37,634 "Well, this guy's gonna do something really bad one day." 258 00:17:41,567 --> 00:17:43,367 The first time that I found out about my dad 259 00:17:43,434 --> 00:17:46,801 I was probably about 5 years old. 260 00:17:46,868 --> 00:17:49,200 He would, like, take me to the movies 261 00:17:49,267 --> 00:17:51,767 and he really tried to be that father figure to me, but 262 00:17:51,834 --> 00:17:55,000 for whatever reason, he just couldn't stay out of trouble 263 00:17:55,067 --> 00:17:57,100 and so when he went back to jail, 264 00:17:57,167 --> 00:17:59,087 like, he would write to me and I would write back 265 00:17:59,133 --> 00:18:01,868 and that was our way of communicating. 266 00:18:03,133 --> 00:18:06,100 "Dear Alicia, hello, honey, and how are you doing? 267 00:18:06,167 --> 00:18:08,367 "I haven't heard from you in a while 268 00:18:08,434 --> 00:18:10,467 "and neither has Grandma. 269 00:18:10,534 --> 00:18:12,901 "I want so bad never to hurt you again 270 00:18:12,968 --> 00:18:15,434 "and I feel like I am because I'm still here. 271 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:18,601 "Every day, I wake up wondering if today will be the day 272 00:18:18,667 --> 00:18:20,300 "that my name is called. 273 00:18:20,367 --> 00:18:21,734 "The stress is almost unbearable... 274 00:18:21,801 --> 00:18:23,601 When I first found out about the incident, 275 00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:27,100 I just came back from the police academy. 276 00:18:27,167 --> 00:18:29,601 And my mind was just like... I told him to call me 277 00:18:29,667 --> 00:18:31,601 if something was wrong. 278 00:18:34,367 --> 00:18:38,567 I needed to talk to him. I needed to get answers from him. 279 00:18:38,634 --> 00:18:40,734 What made him get together with this one guy 280 00:18:40,801 --> 00:18:42,434 and do what they did? 281 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:43,434 Whose idea was it? 282 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:44,868 Was it just one 283 00:18:44,934 --> 00:18:47,133 or was it both or did it just happen? 284 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,868 It's just like, there's no easy answer, 285 00:18:49,934 --> 00:18:52,868 and I might not like the answer I get, 286 00:18:52,934 --> 00:18:55,367 but it's all... It's all just "why?" 287 00:18:57,968 --> 00:19:01,067 The details of 26-year-old Joshua Komisarjevsky's past 288 00:19:01,133 --> 00:19:04,701 are more in-depth, and some say even more disturbing. 289 00:19:04,767 --> 00:19:06,400 His rap sheet reveals a... 290 00:19:06,467 --> 00:19:09,367 We were right in the kitchen here 291 00:19:09,434 --> 00:19:12,567 and we got a call from my brother Ben, 292 00:19:12,634 --> 00:19:15,601 and he said, "I think Josh has been involved 293 00:19:15,667 --> 00:19:17,567 in this home invasion." 294 00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:21,133 And I said to him, I said, "Home invasion? 295 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,601 This was a murder. And Josh was involved?" 296 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:29,767 So you see the name spelled out, 297 00:19:29,834 --> 00:19:32,500 the Komisarjevsky name, 298 00:19:32,567 --> 00:19:36,367 and you sit there and you hold your head in your hands 299 00:19:36,434 --> 00:19:38,467 and you can't believe it. 300 00:19:38,534 --> 00:19:41,167 And you want to cry. 301 00:19:43,934 --> 00:19:47,500 This young man's a monster, and that is not 302 00:19:47,567 --> 00:19:51,200 the way that we as members of this family behave. 303 00:19:54,901 --> 00:19:57,701 We spent all of our time in Cheshire 304 00:19:57,767 --> 00:20:02,334 and we lived in a home that was a home of arts and letters. 305 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,934 This is my aunt Vera Komisarjevsky, 306 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,868 one of the foremost actresses on the Russian stage, 307 00:20:07,934 --> 00:20:09,534 and there's a theater in St. Petersburg 308 00:20:09,601 --> 00:20:12,767 that's named after her, and this is my father 309 00:20:12,834 --> 00:20:15,667 Theodore Komisarjevsky, theater director, 310 00:20:15,734 --> 00:20:17,467 architect, costume designer. 311 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,500 When we drove up to Cheshire, 312 00:20:22,567 --> 00:20:25,100 my brother's house was just swarmed with media 313 00:20:25,167 --> 00:20:29,868 knocking on the door, trying to get statements from them. 314 00:20:29,934 --> 00:20:32,133 I think it's hard for anybody 315 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,067 to be able to deal with that kind of a situation, 316 00:20:35,133 --> 00:20:36,767 but probably more so for them 317 00:20:36,834 --> 00:20:39,734 because they were individuals who basically had 318 00:20:39,801 --> 00:20:43,601 withdrawn from many aspects of public life. 319 00:20:47,834 --> 00:20:52,033 They ultimately posted a notice on the outside of their door, 320 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,634 but that was it, and from that time on, 321 00:20:54,701 --> 00:20:56,834 they've had nothing to say. 322 00:21:00,567 --> 00:21:03,601 It was so disappointing, because I knew 323 00:21:03,667 --> 00:21:07,300 I was the last person, therapeutically, 324 00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:09,567 that met with Josh and could really 325 00:21:09,634 --> 00:21:12,200 paint a picture of him in a different light, 326 00:21:12,267 --> 00:21:16,901 and I knew that the media and most people's opinion of him 327 00:21:16,968 --> 00:21:22,434 would go against what I saw and what I knew. 328 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:26,734 Josh just wanted to do better things with his life. 329 00:21:26,801 --> 00:21:30,567 Staying clean, reconnecting with his family, 330 00:21:30,634 --> 00:21:33,167 and possibly going forward with an education 331 00:21:33,234 --> 00:21:35,033 to become an architect. 332 00:21:38,167 --> 00:21:41,467 I saw someone who created some beautiful designs. 333 00:21:41,534 --> 00:21:45,367 These sketches. 334 00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:47,467 I mean, this kid was amazing. 335 00:21:47,534 --> 00:21:49,000 This is something that's unnatural. 336 00:21:49,067 --> 00:21:52,300 This is pure talent. 337 00:21:53,868 --> 00:21:57,334 He had to have practiced this and worked on this for years. 338 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,534 But when we talk about the... Just the pure evil, 339 00:22:07,601 --> 00:22:09,267 how am I gonna go in there and tell them 340 00:22:09,334 --> 00:22:11,067 that this was a good kid, 341 00:22:11,133 --> 00:22:13,601 and that I was really close to him, 342 00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:15,767 after what he did? 343 00:22:19,868 --> 00:22:22,434 Joshua was a little, skinny, frail kid. 344 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,734 I saw him behind the bars. 345 00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:29,667 He had on his cream-colored jail uniform. 346 00:22:29,734 --> 00:22:33,434 He was slight. He was polite. 347 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:40,200 He's adopted. He went from regular school special ed to home school. 348 00:22:40,267 --> 00:22:43,634 This whole package didn't make sense to me. 349 00:22:43,701 --> 00:22:47,534 Burglary, burglary, burglary, burglary, and burglary. 350 00:22:47,601 --> 00:22:51,100 Genius that he is, and he is a genius in some respects, 351 00:22:51,167 --> 00:22:54,767 with a photographic memory and attention to detail that 352 00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:59,400 no normal mind could possibly retain, 353 00:22:59,467 --> 00:23:01,767 he told them every burglary he did. 354 00:23:03,567 --> 00:23:06,734 He knew every item he took, passports, 355 00:23:06,801 --> 00:23:08,734 what dumpsters he threw it in. 356 00:23:11,033 --> 00:23:13,734 Joshua could get into a third floor, 357 00:23:13,801 --> 00:23:16,901 steal things, know which denominations of bills he took 358 00:23:16,968 --> 00:23:19,133 a year later or two years later. 359 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,567 Tell you where each wallet was, 360 00:23:20,634 --> 00:23:22,500 what kind of pants they were taken from, 361 00:23:22,567 --> 00:23:24,727 where the pants were... on the floor or on the bedpost, 362 00:23:24,767 --> 00:23:26,367 in the closet. 363 00:23:26,434 --> 00:23:28,434 Stay there for hours, not get caught. 364 00:23:31,267 --> 00:23:34,801 Joshua used relatively sophisticated equipment for a burglar... 365 00:23:34,868 --> 00:23:38,601 Night vision goggles, latex gloves. 366 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:42,434 After he robbed a house, he would stay there, on occasion, 367 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:45,000 and listen to the people breathing, 368 00:23:45,067 --> 00:23:49,000 and go from room to room, listening to the occupants breathing, 369 00:23:49,067 --> 00:23:52,901 for no apparent purpose. 370 00:23:52,968 --> 00:23:55,334 That was the frightening part of it. 371 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:01,567 He'd rob state troopers' houses, which takes some guts. 372 00:24:01,634 --> 00:24:03,934 And I said, "Judge, he needs to be watched. 373 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,300 "This kid is sick. 374 00:24:06,367 --> 00:24:07,610 "You're never gonna see him again or he's gonna be 375 00:24:07,634 --> 00:24:09,868 "the worst criminal to pass through these doors, 376 00:24:09,934 --> 00:24:12,133 because that's the kind of a mind he's got." 377 00:24:20,868 --> 00:24:22,334 There's no obvious flag here. 378 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,133 No obvious flag. The new chairman of the Board 379 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,267 of Pardons and Paroles says 380 00:24:27,334 --> 00:24:30,234 that the two suspects in the brutal Cheshire home invasion 381 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:33,367 and triple murder were capable of doing 382 00:24:33,434 --> 00:24:35,100 what they allegedly did. 383 00:24:35,167 --> 00:24:38,234 There's no evidence that we've seen yet that they were 384 00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:41,434 recently... failed any drug tests. 385 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,901 They were both employed. They were both living 386 00:24:43,968 --> 00:24:47,100 in what appeared to be stable households. 387 00:24:52,434 --> 00:24:57,067 Komisarjevsky was arrested for 18 home invasions, 388 00:24:57,133 --> 00:25:00,300 and the warning bells in there 389 00:25:00,367 --> 00:25:04,033 should have been ringing very loudly. 390 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,534 Under a 10-year-old law, prosecutors are supposed to 391 00:25:06,601 --> 00:25:10,467 order a transcript of the sentencing proceeding 392 00:25:10,534 --> 00:25:13,868 and send that along to the parole board. 393 00:25:13,934 --> 00:25:15,934 I used to be a prosecutor. 394 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,968 I helped write this law I'm talking about. 395 00:25:19,033 --> 00:25:21,000 Because I knew that it's at the sentencing 396 00:25:21,067 --> 00:25:22,310 that you really find out everything you need to know 397 00:25:22,334 --> 00:25:25,400 about this offender and the crime. 398 00:25:25,467 --> 00:25:26,844 The problem is none of this ever got 399 00:25:26,868 --> 00:25:28,467 to the Department of Corrections. 400 00:25:28,534 --> 00:25:32,801 None of this ever got to the parole board. 401 00:25:32,868 --> 00:25:34,877 So from the point of view of the Department of Corrections, 402 00:25:34,901 --> 00:25:38,300 they got first time ever incarcerated inmate. 403 00:25:38,367 --> 00:25:43,868 Young, white, bright, home schooled, remorseful, 404 00:25:43,934 --> 00:25:47,167 never identified as a person with high mental health needs 405 00:25:47,234 --> 00:25:49,314 because he didn't come across as that type of person. 406 00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:53,000 He was a real manipulator. 407 00:25:53,067 --> 00:25:55,167 The typical sentence for burglary 408 00:25:55,234 --> 00:25:59,868 is a maximum of 10 years in prison for each offense. 409 00:25:59,934 --> 00:26:02,067 Komisarjevsky could have still been locked up 410 00:26:02,133 --> 00:26:04,534 for two lifetimes. 411 00:26:04,601 --> 00:26:08,334 It was possible. It didn't happen. 412 00:26:22,968 --> 00:26:26,367 I went to Bank of America to open a new account 413 00:26:26,434 --> 00:26:31,200 and Mrs. Petit was at the counter. 414 00:26:31,267 --> 00:26:36,067 All I saw was white blond hair and a white piece of paper. 415 00:26:36,133 --> 00:26:38,701 The teller handing it to the manager 416 00:26:38,767 --> 00:26:44,167 and the manager really just running right behind me to her office. 417 00:26:44,234 --> 00:26:48,234 And she just left. 418 00:26:50,934 --> 00:26:52,968 It's very delicate. 419 00:26:53,033 --> 00:26:56,601 3 lives were taken that should not have been. 420 00:26:56,667 --> 00:27:00,200 Things happened in a manner that... 421 00:27:00,267 --> 00:27:02,500 And I'm not saying the police... 422 00:27:02,567 --> 00:27:05,500 Because when you have a hostage situation, 423 00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:09,234 you wait until... You have to assess, 424 00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:13,100 but she was screaming for her life. 425 00:27:13,167 --> 00:27:15,834 "He's in the basement." Conscious. 426 00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:20,367 Bound by the ankles. Daughter loose upstairs. 427 00:27:20,434 --> 00:27:24,300 Very strong girl. 428 00:27:24,367 --> 00:27:27,634 How did it happen? 429 00:27:27,701 --> 00:27:30,801 Cheshire Police. No one is talking. 430 00:27:30,868 --> 00:27:33,834 No one. 431 00:27:33,901 --> 00:27:34,944 Lieutenant, good morning, sir. 432 00:27:34,968 --> 00:27:36,033 Good morning, Dan. 433 00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,934 First of all, the Cheshire Police Department 434 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,000 in their response to this initial call 435 00:27:42,067 --> 00:27:44,334 was absolutely outstanding. 436 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,133 They did a stellar job. 437 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,000 The chief and all those personnel and Cheshire P.D. 438 00:27:49,067 --> 00:27:51,400 deserve a lot of praise and credit. 439 00:27:55,968 --> 00:27:57,710 People are asking about a timeline, you know, 440 00:27:57,734 --> 00:27:59,801 when did this occur, when did that occur? 441 00:27:59,868 --> 00:28:01,367 We don't detail that information. 442 00:28:01,434 --> 00:28:03,300 That's... that's... that's not something 443 00:28:03,367 --> 00:28:06,234 that really the public really needs to be 444 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:07,934 concerned about at this point in time 445 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,767 and it has more of an impact on the case itself. 446 00:28:11,834 --> 00:28:15,067 You know, the type of injury, the scene 447 00:28:15,133 --> 00:28:17,767 that one may try to envision in their mind, 448 00:28:17,834 --> 00:28:19,000 we're not gonna detail that. 449 00:28:19,067 --> 00:28:23,033 We're not gonna discuss, you know, how someone died 450 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,901 over and above manner and cause, 451 00:28:24,968 --> 00:28:26,577 which we'll give manner and cause of death 452 00:28:26,601 --> 00:28:30,434 but we're not gonna get into great graphic detailed description. 453 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,009 You know, we're not gonna talk about assaults. 454 00:28:32,033 --> 00:28:34,167 We're not gonna talk about weapons. 455 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,868 Say what we don't know. 456 00:28:46,934 --> 00:28:48,634 What happened. 457 00:28:48,701 --> 00:28:49,934 And the next... 458 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,968 The ensuing half-hour. 459 00:28:52,033 --> 00:28:53,300 Yeah. 460 00:28:53,367 --> 00:28:57,834 Between the time Hayes and Hawke-Petit 461 00:28:57,901 --> 00:29:00,734 returned home? 462 00:29:00,801 --> 00:29:03,934 And the time... 463 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,810 I don't want to say, "The first Cheshire police." 464 00:29:05,834 --> 00:29:06,767 No. They were arrested 465 00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:07,968 coming out of the house? 466 00:29:08,033 --> 00:29:09,467 Time they were arrested. 467 00:29:09,534 --> 00:29:15,701 Yeah. "That may only be answered at trial." 468 00:29:17,667 --> 00:29:19,743 If you can answer some of the questions, go ahead and do that. 469 00:29:19,767 --> 00:29:21,434 Yup. And then... 470 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:23,376 There's so little information and there's so many 471 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200 rumors and innuendo circulating. 472 00:29:26,267 --> 00:29:29,868 People are clamoring to find out what happened. 473 00:29:29,934 --> 00:29:31,834 The "Day" possibly proposed 474 00:29:31,901 --> 00:29:34,067 that William Petit was somehow involved. 475 00:29:34,133 --> 00:29:35,701 Speculation. 476 00:29:35,767 --> 00:29:38,734 The sooner, I think, we get all the information, 477 00:29:38,801 --> 00:29:40,601 the sooner folks can really start healing, 478 00:29:40,667 --> 00:29:41,944 because the unknown is just as frightening 479 00:29:41,968 --> 00:29:43,300 as what happened, in a way. 480 00:29:43,367 --> 00:29:46,300 You have all these people saying all this stuff, you know? 481 00:29:46,367 --> 00:29:50,701 Just tell us what happened, and then we can deal with it. 482 00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:53,467 It's almost like not knowing is... 483 00:29:53,534 --> 00:29:56,567 Kind of keeps that wound open, you know? 484 00:29:56,634 --> 00:29:57,777 I don't know. It's gonna be a while 485 00:29:57,801 --> 00:29:59,868 till we see trial, so... 486 00:30:11,067 --> 00:30:12,777 It's starting to pan out that the state's claim 487 00:30:12,801 --> 00:30:17,801 is pretty strong, overwhelmingly strong. 488 00:30:17,868 --> 00:30:23,801 And that what's at stake at this case is life or death. 489 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,133 You have the gasoline aspect of it. 490 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,634 You know, the sexual assault. Horrible crime scene photos. 491 00:30:35,701 --> 00:30:39,834 You have the right defendant. You have the right perpetrator. 492 00:30:39,901 --> 00:30:43,767 What do we do? Isn't this the case that death is warranted? 493 00:30:43,834 --> 00:30:48,601 And, um... and I can't accept that. 494 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,667 Once you allow the death penalty to go forward, 495 00:30:54,734 --> 00:30:56,534 then the next case comes along, 496 00:30:56,601 --> 00:30:57,767 and it's OK for the next case 497 00:30:57,834 --> 00:30:59,109 because that crime was horrifying, 498 00:30:59,133 --> 00:31:00,834 and what if that's a mistake? 499 00:31:00,901 --> 00:31:03,200 What if that's an innocent guy? 500 00:31:03,267 --> 00:31:07,500 And this notion of that, if you execute somebody, 501 00:31:07,567 --> 00:31:08,934 you know, you'll save money. 502 00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:12,067 You know, that's the furthest thing from the truth. 503 00:31:12,133 --> 00:31:15,534 You know, we have pretty much a blank check. 504 00:31:15,601 --> 00:31:18,868 So I'm reminding everybody, listen, 505 00:31:18,934 --> 00:31:21,734 Steven Hayes is ready to plead guilty to all of these charges 506 00:31:21,801 --> 00:31:24,767 and take a sentence of life without the possibility... 507 00:31:24,834 --> 00:31:26,567 At least it'll be over now. 508 00:31:26,634 --> 00:31:28,534 You know? There'd be... the case would be done, 509 00:31:28,601 --> 00:31:30,434 there wouldn't be any appeals, 510 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,234 we'd stop spending all this money, 511 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:35,667 we would not have to traumatize everybody 512 00:31:35,734 --> 00:31:37,234 with the facts of this case. 513 00:32:09,734 --> 00:32:12,100 As a United Methodist minister, 514 00:32:12,167 --> 00:32:16,801 I am a minister of a church at large 515 00:32:16,868 --> 00:32:21,467 that is opposed to capital punishment. 516 00:32:21,534 --> 00:32:27,200 That has put me between a rock and a hard place. 517 00:32:27,267 --> 00:32:34,801 We certainly don't approve of torture of people, but 518 00:32:34,868 --> 00:32:39,567 we feel that there has to be some justice in 519 00:32:39,634 --> 00:32:42,000 how people are dealt with 520 00:32:42,067 --> 00:32:43,834 when they are so inhumane 521 00:32:43,901 --> 00:32:46,467 in their treatment of others. 522 00:33:03,634 --> 00:33:06,500 You know, it just makes me want to cry. 523 00:33:06,567 --> 00:33:08,667 Jennifer, Hayley, and Michaela, 524 00:33:08,734 --> 00:33:12,133 they were kind and they were sweet. 525 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,410 They looked out for other people, 526 00:33:13,434 --> 00:33:16,834 they cared about other people, and spent their time 527 00:33:16,901 --> 00:33:21,167 helping people, so for them to suffer, you know, 528 00:33:21,234 --> 00:33:27,133 horrific... horrific deaths seems incredibly unjust. 529 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,400 I mean, it would seem incredibly unjust for anybody, 530 00:33:29,467 --> 00:33:31,300 but obviously they were the 3 people 531 00:33:31,367 --> 00:33:33,234 that I knew and loved the best in the world, 532 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:39,000 and it just... the contra... 533 00:33:39,067 --> 00:33:43,067 Contra... the opposition of the... 534 00:33:43,133 --> 00:33:46,534 Just absolute evil that attacked us 535 00:33:46,601 --> 00:33:48,667 versus the goodness that they represented 536 00:33:48,734 --> 00:33:51,000 is... is just worlds apart. 537 00:34:00,767 --> 00:34:02,367 A benign visit to the grocery store 538 00:34:02,434 --> 00:34:05,734 to get milk, bread, toilet paper. 539 00:34:05,801 --> 00:34:08,267 Oh, and "People" magazine, 540 00:34:08,334 --> 00:34:09,868 because a family that my brother killed 541 00:34:09,934 --> 00:34:11,968 is on the front cover. 542 00:34:12,033 --> 00:34:14,500 And my brother's picture is in it. 543 00:34:16,467 --> 00:34:20,300 He raped a woman. He choked her to death. 544 00:34:20,367 --> 00:34:23,167 He poured gasoline on two little girls 545 00:34:23,234 --> 00:34:25,300 and he set them on fire. 546 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:29,234 How does a person do that? 547 00:34:32,667 --> 00:34:37,901 They paroled him in November and he... he peed funny, 548 00:34:37,968 --> 00:34:39,267 and so they threw him back, 549 00:34:39,334 --> 00:34:42,334 and they paroled him 5 months later. 550 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,167 I... personally, they're fucking stupid 551 00:34:46,234 --> 00:34:49,334 because they don't get it. 552 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,000 You don't care enough about the people in your society 553 00:34:53,067 --> 00:34:55,868 to put these type of people back out on the street. 554 00:34:55,934 --> 00:34:58,868 And I want to say that... It's really tough for me to say 555 00:34:58,934 --> 00:35:02,767 because one of those people is my brother. 556 00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:06,100 Steven at birth or soon thereafter. 557 00:35:06,167 --> 00:35:12,367 Steven around 3. Steven around 5. 558 00:35:12,434 --> 00:35:17,467 Matthew around one, Matthew around 3. 559 00:35:17,534 --> 00:35:21,500 Then we get into these. 560 00:35:21,567 --> 00:35:24,267 Steven, Matthew, Brian. 561 00:35:24,334 --> 00:35:26,667 Where I got the blond hair, I have no idea. 562 00:35:26,734 --> 00:35:27,934 Dad. That's where you got it. 563 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,567 You, Kathryn, and... and Steven 564 00:35:31,634 --> 00:35:34,767 all had the light hair. 565 00:35:34,834 --> 00:35:39,767 Who is Steve? He's manipulating, 566 00:35:39,834 --> 00:35:43,033 he's deceptive, 567 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,267 and he's my brother. 568 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,200 God, look at that. 569 00:35:50,267 --> 00:35:52,567 And I remember that. See, look at where his hands are. 570 00:35:52,634 --> 00:35:55,734 I remember that day. He was pinching me, he was grabbing me. 571 00:35:55,801 --> 00:35:59,000 I mean, I'm about to frickin' burst out in tears here. 572 00:35:59,067 --> 00:36:00,734 He's just laughing his little ass off. 573 00:36:00,801 --> 00:36:04,500 Yeah. Fuckin' noodge. 574 00:36:04,567 --> 00:36:08,434 Deceiving. Always. Manipulator. 575 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,601 "Mom, it's not me, it's Matt." 576 00:36:10,667 --> 00:36:14,601 Mom and her 3 boys. 577 00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:17,033 And that's probably the first Christmas 578 00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,901 since 1979 579 00:36:20,968 --> 00:36:26,167 that all 3 of us were in the same room for Christmas. 580 00:36:26,234 --> 00:36:27,394 Only to go back to jail again. 581 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,276 You know, this is the evolution of 582 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:33,834 Steven in prison life. 583 00:36:33,901 --> 00:36:35,601 Monday, when I saw it on the news, 584 00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:37,133 all's I heard was that there was 585 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,634 the home invasion and whatnot, 586 00:36:38,701 --> 00:36:41,801 and it seemed like something Steve would do. 587 00:36:41,868 --> 00:36:44,701 But if he'd never... ...smashing of the police cars 588 00:36:44,767 --> 00:36:47,000 and the breaking and entering and stuff like that. 589 00:36:47,067 --> 00:36:49,167 But the killing, the raping, and the burning. 590 00:36:49,234 --> 00:36:51,400 That could've been Josh. 591 00:36:51,467 --> 00:36:53,334 I don't know who was the mastermind. 592 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,543 Well, obviously, neither one of them, 593 00:36:54,567 --> 00:36:57,334 because they got caught, and they did something... 594 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,934 Well, being a mastermind 595 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,567 doesn't mean that you don't get caught. 596 00:37:00,634 --> 00:37:03,734 Honestly, you know, it is, it is 597 00:37:03,801 --> 00:37:06,601 the equivalent of the perfect storm. 598 00:37:06,667 --> 00:37:09,667 If he wasn't smoking drugs, then, you know, 599 00:37:09,734 --> 00:37:13,067 I say flip the switch and fuck the trial. 600 00:37:13,133 --> 00:37:14,868 Flip the switch. 601 00:37:14,934 --> 00:37:16,534 I hope it doesn't even go that far. 602 00:37:16,601 --> 00:37:18,834 As nasty as it sounds, 603 00:37:18,901 --> 00:37:20,834 I hope somebody puts a bullet in his head. 604 00:37:20,901 --> 00:37:22,801 That's not gonna happen. Outside the courtroom. 605 00:37:22,868 --> 00:37:24,234 He's in solitary confinement. 606 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,701 Yeah, well... They will... they will keep him away 607 00:37:26,767 --> 00:37:28,500 from every God-living soul. 608 00:37:28,567 --> 00:37:29,777 When he's on his way into the courtroom, 609 00:37:29,801 --> 00:37:31,200 he has to get out somewhere. 610 00:37:31,267 --> 00:37:32,734 They're not gonna risk his life, 611 00:37:32,801 --> 00:37:35,801 because the state wants to kill him. 612 00:37:35,868 --> 00:37:37,343 They're not gonna give that privilege up 613 00:37:37,367 --> 00:37:39,133 to anybody else. 614 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,400 You know, I think that it should be the death penalty. 615 00:38:11,868 --> 00:38:14,834 Both my daughters, Clarice and Caroline, 616 00:38:14,901 --> 00:38:17,167 had a relationship with Joshua, 617 00:38:17,234 --> 00:38:21,667 and I believe that he picked my daughters out 618 00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:26,767 due to the fact that they looked like they're very young. 619 00:38:26,834 --> 00:38:29,701 When Josh wanted to marry Caroline, 620 00:38:29,767 --> 00:38:32,334 we had a phone conversation. 621 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,267 I don't know if Josh was asking for my blessing, 622 00:38:36,334 --> 00:38:38,434 but in that phone conversation, I said, "Joshua, 623 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,167 "I have two major concerns. 624 00:38:41,234 --> 00:38:44,000 One is I think you're a career criminal." 625 00:38:44,067 --> 00:38:45,934 And then the second thing I shared with him 626 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000 is that's he's a pedophile. 627 00:38:48,067 --> 00:38:50,934 And in both of those, he... He never really 628 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,667 changed his voice. 629 00:38:53,734 --> 00:38:58,167 All I remember him saying is, "I'm sorry you feel that way." 630 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,934 "Dear Caroline, good evening, sweetheart. 631 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,033 "When I wake every morning, the sun is just starting to rise. 632 00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,033 "Its light dances across your picture, 633 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:13,367 "radiating your beautiful eyes and pretty smile. 634 00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:15,834 "It's the best part of the day. 635 00:39:15,901 --> 00:39:19,901 "A calming mix of hope, beauty, and tranquility. 636 00:39:19,968 --> 00:39:23,133 "Take care, Caroline. Smile. Someone's thinking of you. 637 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,701 "Strength and honor, sincerely, Joshua. 638 00:39:25,767 --> 00:39:29,701 Miss you." 639 00:39:29,767 --> 00:39:33,234 We called Joshua the hopeless romantic. 640 00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:38,200 That was the biggest side I loved about him, 641 00:39:38,267 --> 00:39:42,033 because how many guys are out there that are romantic? 642 00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:43,567 You know? Not very many, 643 00:39:43,634 --> 00:39:46,334 and he was super romantic, and that's the way I am. 644 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,467 I'm super romantic. 645 00:39:50,734 --> 00:39:52,400 When I went to Cheshire, 646 00:39:52,467 --> 00:39:53,877 we would go around the neighborhoods, 647 00:39:53,901 --> 00:39:56,033 the rich neighborhoods, 648 00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:57,500 and he'd look at all these houses 649 00:39:57,567 --> 00:39:59,667 and be like, "Man, you know, I want to live in 650 00:39:59,734 --> 00:40:04,500 something that nice and that gorgeous." 651 00:40:04,567 --> 00:40:05,901 He wanted to have a family. 652 00:40:05,968 --> 00:40:08,400 He was like, "I want a family. You know, a good family. 653 00:40:08,467 --> 00:40:10,601 I don't want something that's broken." 654 00:40:15,901 --> 00:40:19,500 "If I were home, I would have sent flowers 655 00:40:19,567 --> 00:40:21,200 "and some sort of creative surprise 656 00:40:21,267 --> 00:40:23,667 "with this little note of admiration. 657 00:40:23,734 --> 00:40:27,033 "Actually, if I were home, I would have shown up in person 658 00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,334 and, well, who knows." 659 00:40:31,801 --> 00:40:36,133 Me and Joshua did have a very sexually active relationship 660 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,734 and he did like to tie me up 661 00:40:38,801 --> 00:40:41,801 and, of course, you know, I was the submissive one, 662 00:40:41,868 --> 00:40:43,834 and sometimes I was the dominant one. 663 00:40:43,901 --> 00:40:46,033 But most of the time, I was submissive. 664 00:40:48,767 --> 00:40:51,701 Joshua always asked me, you know, "Is this too tight?" 665 00:40:51,767 --> 00:40:55,367 "Are you OK?" Joshua always was concerned. 666 00:40:58,334 --> 00:40:59,767 Joshua was definitely a soul mate 667 00:40:59,834 --> 00:41:03,667 and that's what killed me the most. 668 00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:22,300 I saw Steve and Josh together every day, every day. 669 00:41:22,367 --> 00:41:25,267 They were always talking. Because Steve was... 670 00:41:25,334 --> 00:41:28,267 Steve was very, very versed in recovery. 671 00:41:28,334 --> 00:41:32,534 Steve knew the N.A. book back and front. 672 00:41:32,601 --> 00:41:34,734 His nickname was "Mr. N.A." 673 00:41:34,801 --> 00:41:37,367 And I think Josh kind of absorbed a lot of it 674 00:41:37,434 --> 00:41:40,567 and was able to get that knowledge from Steve. 675 00:41:44,534 --> 00:41:47,500 "For this addict, drugs are not my main problem. 676 00:41:47,567 --> 00:41:49,500 "I am my main problem... My self-destructive 677 00:41:49,567 --> 00:41:51,267 "attitude and behavior. 678 00:41:51,334 --> 00:41:54,500 "What I like about getting high is to escape my feelings. 679 00:41:54,567 --> 00:41:55,968 "I've self-medicated so much 680 00:41:56,033 --> 00:41:58,968 I don't know how to feel anymore." 681 00:41:59,033 --> 00:42:03,400 This is his own words. He's writing this. 682 00:42:03,467 --> 00:42:05,834 "Unresolved anger controls me. 683 00:42:05,901 --> 00:42:07,500 "It haunts me day and night, 684 00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:10,167 "sometimes to the point of obsession, 685 00:42:10,234 --> 00:42:13,968 even scary fantasy." 686 00:42:14,033 --> 00:42:15,734 One of the comments that Steven 687 00:42:15,801 --> 00:42:17,734 had shared with me was 688 00:42:17,801 --> 00:42:19,234 he didn't know what was gonna happen 689 00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:20,834 but something big had to happen 690 00:42:20,901 --> 00:42:23,601 because he had to get away from my mother's house. 691 00:42:27,334 --> 00:42:31,000 May to July, in a one-bedroom apartment, 692 00:42:31,067 --> 00:42:34,701 my mother in the bedroom, Steven on the couch, me on the floor. 693 00:42:34,767 --> 00:42:38,500 And I didn't ever want to be home. 694 00:42:38,567 --> 00:42:41,534 I just didn't, so I'd stay out until 695 00:42:41,601 --> 00:42:44,067 I had to come home to go to sleep, 696 00:42:44,133 --> 00:42:47,567 because I couldn't stand to be in the same room with him. 697 00:42:47,634 --> 00:42:51,934 And then I'd be lying, making believe I'm sleeping in the morning 698 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,400 while he's having coffee with my mom just 699 00:42:54,467 --> 00:42:56,968 running all of his bullshit out of his mouth 700 00:42:57,033 --> 00:42:58,701 about how he's gonna take care of her 701 00:42:58,767 --> 00:43:01,534 and he's gonna be making all this money. 702 00:43:01,601 --> 00:43:04,300 He's going to reshift and reshape my mother's life 703 00:43:04,367 --> 00:43:06,667 and get them a bigger place, and, you know, 704 00:43:06,734 --> 00:43:11,067 it's gonna be Steven taking care of Mom and... 705 00:43:11,133 --> 00:43:13,567 On a scale from here to here, 706 00:43:13,634 --> 00:43:14,767 there was that much of me 707 00:43:14,834 --> 00:43:17,300 that actually believed it was gonna happen. 708 00:43:17,367 --> 00:43:20,667 We got into a very physical confrontation one night 709 00:43:20,734 --> 00:43:25,200 and he broke 3 of my ribs and gave me a black eye. 710 00:43:25,267 --> 00:43:29,767 And, you know, I probably should have had him arrested then 711 00:43:29,834 --> 00:43:32,100 because that would have been violation of probation. 712 00:43:32,167 --> 00:43:35,167 Then he would've went to jail and none of this would've ever happened. 713 00:43:37,767 --> 00:43:39,834 Things were already falling apart. 714 00:43:39,901 --> 00:43:42,601 The lies that Steven had been telling for the last two months 715 00:43:42,667 --> 00:43:44,234 were coming back. 716 00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,234 My mother was finding out about it. 717 00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:48,934 She was getting ready to boot him out. 718 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,334 "I don't care what you have to do. 719 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,334 "You need a halfway house. I don't care. 720 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,801 Get out of my house." 721 00:43:55,868 --> 00:43:58,400 So that was Friday. 722 00:43:58,467 --> 00:44:00,147 I don't know the specifics of what happened 723 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,834 Saturday and/or Sunday, but, you know, 724 00:44:02,901 --> 00:44:08,067 things were definitely ramping up to something. 725 00:44:10,968 --> 00:44:14,334 A day or two before the crime occurs, 726 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:20,634 Steven saw that his life was once again going downhill, 727 00:44:20,701 --> 00:44:24,868 and he says that he locks himself in a hotel room 728 00:44:24,934 --> 00:44:28,200 with crack cocaine and heroin 729 00:44:28,267 --> 00:44:31,901 and goes on this drug binge 730 00:44:31,968 --> 00:44:35,200 with a desire and hope that he would kill himself. 731 00:44:37,968 --> 00:44:41,500 He leaves the hotel room feeling like he's failed 732 00:44:41,567 --> 00:44:45,834 at this suicide attempt, leaving him, in his view, 733 00:44:45,901 --> 00:44:47,968 more desperate. 734 00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:53,801 He shows up at an A.A. meeting in Hartford and there's Joshua. 735 00:44:53,868 --> 00:44:56,434 And Joshua started talking to him about 736 00:44:56,500 --> 00:45:01,167 ways to make some real money. 737 00:45:01,234 --> 00:45:06,901 The last contact I had with him before the crime, I think, was 738 00:45:06,968 --> 00:45:09,000 Sunday night? 739 00:45:09,067 --> 00:45:11,968 We said our usual good nights and "I love you" and then 740 00:45:12,033 --> 00:45:15,834 the next morning, I tried to get a hold of Joshua. 741 00:45:15,901 --> 00:45:17,976 Me and my mom were walking to the car and I looked at my mom. 742 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,267 I go, "Mom, something's wrong." 743 00:45:20,334 --> 00:45:22,043 I was like, "Joshua's not answering his phone. 744 00:45:22,067 --> 00:45:23,534 I think something happened." 745 00:45:23,601 --> 00:45:26,300 I was like, "Something definitely is wrong." 746 00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:34,234 Ms. Komisarjevsky did call me on... 747 00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:38,567 I'm pretty sure it was Monday, and she told me that 748 00:45:38,634 --> 00:45:41,067 Joshua went out late that night 749 00:45:41,133 --> 00:45:45,500 and he was wearing dark clothing, like his hoodie. 750 00:45:45,567 --> 00:45:49,767 And Ms. Komisarjevsky told me that he only does that 751 00:45:49,834 --> 00:45:54,400 when he's going out to rob houses. 752 00:46:45,968 --> 00:46:51,601 The lights that the candles make I think can help to radiate 753 00:46:51,667 --> 00:46:55,100 the... the love that's needed. 754 00:46:58,634 --> 00:46:59,844 Well, they're gonna ring the bells 755 00:46:59,868 --> 00:47:01,834 at the churches for 3 minutes, 756 00:47:01,901 --> 00:47:04,133 one minute for each of the Petit women. 757 00:47:08,901 --> 00:47:10,634 You'll remember that last summer, 758 00:47:10,701 --> 00:47:13,701 at what police describe as a random home invasion 759 00:47:13,767 --> 00:47:16,701 and, of course, the darkness that happened on that day 760 00:47:16,767 --> 00:47:18,934 will never be forgotten, but perhaps 761 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,901 for the first time tonight, there is a glimmer of hope 762 00:47:21,968 --> 00:47:25,300 that perhaps some good could come from this evil. 763 00:47:25,367 --> 00:47:28,200 Now, the money raised here will stay in Connecticut. 764 00:47:28,267 --> 00:47:29,743 It will go to the foundation that was founded 765 00:47:29,767 --> 00:47:32,634 by Dr. Petit in the names of his daughters... 766 00:47:32,701 --> 00:47:36,100 Michaela Miracle and Hayley's Hope... and... 767 00:47:56,767 --> 00:47:58,367 - Good morning, everyone. - Good morning. 768 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,167 This is a hearing in... A continued hearing 769 00:48:00,234 --> 00:48:01,734 in a matter of a complaint brought by 770 00:48:01,801 --> 00:48:03,701 Colin Poitras and the "Hartford Courant" 771 00:48:03,767 --> 00:48:06,100 against chief of fire department, town of Cheshire... 772 00:48:06,167 --> 00:48:07,968 We applied through the town of Cheshire 773 00:48:08,033 --> 00:48:11,200 for more material right after the crime took place. 774 00:48:11,267 --> 00:48:13,434 We finally got new information yesterday. 775 00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:16,367 A complete transcript from the time of the initial call 776 00:48:16,434 --> 00:48:19,334 from the bank official regarding Mrs. Petit being at the bank 777 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,834 saying she might be held hostage 778 00:48:20,901 --> 00:48:23,133 to the time the two suspects were arrested 779 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,133 outside the Petit household. 780 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,834 And our review of this document, which is heavily edited 781 00:48:27,901 --> 00:48:31,868 to protect potential witnesses, the town has told us, 782 00:48:31,934 --> 00:48:34,767 raises the possibility that officers on alert 783 00:48:34,834 --> 00:48:36,534 could have maybe stopped this car 784 00:48:36,601 --> 00:48:37,841 with the suspect and Mrs. Petit 785 00:48:37,868 --> 00:48:40,434 as they were coming home from the bank, 786 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,143 perhaps could've beat them back to the house, 787 00:48:42,167 --> 00:48:45,167 could've separated the two suspects at that time 788 00:48:45,234 --> 00:48:49,467 and maybe things would've had a different outcome. 789 00:48:49,534 --> 00:48:51,109 And what's still out there is no one knows 790 00:48:51,133 --> 00:48:53,567 what the initial 911 call said, 791 00:48:53,634 --> 00:48:56,000 what the bank official said to police when she called. 792 00:48:59,567 --> 00:49:01,033 What were they told? Was it clear? 793 00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:02,767 Did they know they have a hostage crisis? 794 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,601 There's always more information that is yearned for, 795 00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:15,200 either in a journalistic sense, a due diligence reporting sense, 796 00:49:15,267 --> 00:49:17,934 and sadly, in a salacious sense. 797 00:49:19,634 --> 00:49:22,067 So it is hard to say, "No, 798 00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:24,634 I don't have anything to tell you right now," 799 00:49:24,701 --> 00:49:27,434 over and over again. 800 00:49:35,367 --> 00:49:37,868 Upon arrival at the victims' residence, 801 00:49:37,934 --> 00:49:40,901 the first officer observed the private residence 802 00:49:40,968 --> 00:49:43,100 fully engulfed in flame. 803 00:49:43,167 --> 00:49:44,434 Yeah, it worked out 804 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,434 so officers arrived on scene 805 00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:49,100 just as the suspects were leaving the residence. 806 00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,400 I get really tired of the stories that say, 807 00:49:54,467 --> 00:49:56,267 "Oh, by the time the police showed up, 808 00:49:56,334 --> 00:49:57,834 the house was already in flames," 809 00:49:57,901 --> 00:50:00,167 and that's not true at all. 810 00:50:03,133 --> 00:50:04,734 When Billy came out of the house, 811 00:50:04,801 --> 00:50:08,334 he was pretty sure that he saw men in the woods hiding behind trees, 812 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,267 and we think those were all the police officers, 813 00:50:12,334 --> 00:50:14,901 and he was calling out to a neighbor 814 00:50:14,968 --> 00:50:20,801 while hopping across the yard, tied and badly beaten. 815 00:50:20,868 --> 00:50:23,567 That should have raised the police eyebrows to say, 816 00:50:23,634 --> 00:50:25,367 "What are they doing in there? 817 00:50:25,434 --> 00:50:29,067 We need to get in there and find out." 818 00:50:29,133 --> 00:50:32,234 That's why I wrote letters to the police. 819 00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:36,000 I felt like, and I expressed in my letter that... 820 00:50:36,067 --> 00:50:40,334 That their... their goal was to catch the men, 821 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,300 whoever were guilty, and above and beyond the saving of lives, 822 00:50:45,367 --> 00:50:49,667 and I felt their priorities were very much askew. 823 00:50:49,734 --> 00:50:51,267 Why didn't they just have a bullhorn 824 00:50:51,334 --> 00:50:54,167 or something saying, you know, 825 00:50:54,234 --> 00:50:56,200 "This house is surrounded. 826 00:50:56,267 --> 00:51:00,601 "You're not going to get out of this alive, 827 00:51:00,667 --> 00:51:02,634 so come on out"? 828 00:51:02,701 --> 00:51:05,734 Why didn't you just go to the door 829 00:51:05,801 --> 00:51:07,500 and break a window or something 830 00:51:07,567 --> 00:51:09,701 and go into that house? 831 00:51:09,767 --> 00:51:14,567 You know, my... my whole inner person said, 832 00:51:14,634 --> 00:51:16,300 "These were precious people. 833 00:51:16,367 --> 00:51:19,267 Why didn't you enter the house?" 834 00:51:22,234 --> 00:51:24,701 We've asked a lot of questions, 835 00:51:24,767 --> 00:51:26,968 written a lot of letters. 836 00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:33,000 But they have not sat with me 837 00:51:33,067 --> 00:51:35,167 and they have not sat with my parents 838 00:51:35,234 --> 00:51:38,200 to tell us what happened and what unfolded 839 00:51:38,267 --> 00:51:41,634 and why and how. 840 00:51:41,701 --> 00:51:46,901 I believe that truly they think they did something wrong. 841 00:51:46,968 --> 00:51:49,667 I've heard all kinds of things... That it was a small town 842 00:51:49,734 --> 00:51:54,901 and they hadn't had the experience in the past. 843 00:51:54,968 --> 00:51:58,267 I think they were afraid. 844 00:51:58,334 --> 00:52:01,133 I just can't say enough good things 845 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,234 about how proud I am of the extraordinary effort 846 00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,400 of our police officers and our firefighters. 847 00:52:07,467 --> 00:52:08,834 They're extremely well trained, 848 00:52:08,901 --> 00:52:10,410 they're a great group of professionals, 849 00:52:10,434 --> 00:52:14,801 and I think today exemplified the finest of what 850 00:52:14,868 --> 00:52:17,400 the police and fire are all about in this community. 851 00:52:17,467 --> 00:52:18,968 And I can't thank them enough because 852 00:52:19,033 --> 00:52:23,100 without their great work, this could've been a far worse tragedy. 853 00:52:23,167 --> 00:52:25,133 We were very, very fortunate... 854 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,434 I was just literally shocked when I heard him say that 855 00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:32,667 and that there were no further casualties or something, 856 00:52:32,734 --> 00:52:36,200 and I thought, you know, how bad does it have to be? 857 00:52:36,267 --> 00:52:38,801 I mean, I thought it was awful, 858 00:52:38,868 --> 00:52:40,133 and he was commending them 859 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,067 on what a great job they had done 860 00:52:42,133 --> 00:52:48,434 and I... I was sorry, but I didn't feel they did a great job. 861 00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:52,467 I mean, if they had done a great job, nobody would have died. 862 00:53:01,667 --> 00:53:03,100 As you look through this dispatch, 863 00:53:03,167 --> 00:53:05,067 you can't help but walk away thinking, 864 00:53:05,133 --> 00:53:08,467 you know, that there's another tragedy within the tragedy 865 00:53:08,534 --> 00:53:11,567 that occurred to the Petit family here. 866 00:53:11,634 --> 00:53:17,400 9:21:28... initial call comes in to the police department 911. 867 00:53:17,467 --> 00:53:19,701 And this is the call that was actually from 868 00:53:19,767 --> 00:53:23,500 the bank manager. 869 00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:25,634 I will watch and see what kind of car she gets in. 870 00:53:25,701 --> 00:53:29,100 I'm in my office with the door... with the lights off. 871 00:53:29,167 --> 00:53:31,167 My teller said that she saw the driver. 872 00:53:31,234 --> 00:53:36,334 He had a black hood over... a hoodie and a baseball cap on. 873 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,334 I'm gonna keep you on hold for 874 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,334 another couple minutes, all right? 875 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,834 OK. 876 00:53:44,868 --> 00:53:48,200 Some police officers were actually at the scene 877 00:53:48,267 --> 00:53:51,400 within seconds or minutes of when 878 00:53:51,467 --> 00:53:57,200 Steven Hayes and Jennifer Petit get back to the house. 879 00:53:57,267 --> 00:54:01,500 They had the phone number of the house early on. 880 00:54:01,567 --> 00:54:06,901 Nobody made a call. Nobody knocked on the door. 881 00:54:06,968 --> 00:54:13,868 9:56. Two suspects are moving into Chrysler. 882 00:54:13,934 --> 00:54:20,000 9:57. There is a fire also at the scene. 883 00:54:20,067 --> 00:54:23,801 Initial call comes in at 9:21. 884 00:54:23,868 --> 00:54:28,367 This is over a half an hour later. 885 00:54:28,434 --> 00:54:31,400 They were actually at the scene for 30 minutes. 886 00:54:38,834 --> 00:54:42,467 The strangulation of Jennifer Petit occurred. 887 00:54:42,534 --> 00:54:46,400 The rape of Jennifer Petit occurred. 888 00:54:46,467 --> 00:54:51,767 The pouring of gasoline occurred throughout the house 889 00:54:51,834 --> 00:54:56,500 and the actual setting on fire of the house. 890 00:54:56,567 --> 00:54:59,534 All of this is taking place 891 00:54:59,601 --> 00:55:02,901 while the police are watching the house 892 00:55:02,968 --> 00:55:04,567 setting up their perimeter. 893 00:55:04,634 --> 00:55:06,267 It's really outrageous. 894 00:55:26,133 --> 00:55:27,976 Filling in for Ed Flynn today on "Talk of the Town." 895 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,234 We're gonna take a quick break, 896 00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:31,133 and when we come back we're going to be joined 897 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,534 by Dr. William Petit from the Petit Family Foundation, 898 00:55:33,601 --> 00:55:34,667 so stay with us. 899 00:55:34,734 --> 00:55:36,767 Yeah. 1984. 900 00:55:36,834 --> 00:55:39,801 Our first guest. 901 00:55:39,868 --> 00:55:42,100 There's no audio for me... 902 00:55:42,167 --> 00:55:44,067 We go directly to you. On 9... 903 00:55:44,133 --> 00:55:45,067 OK. 904 00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:46,601 8, 7... 905 00:55:46,667 --> 00:55:48,334 Dr. Petit is here, and 906 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,901 as many of you recall, you know, it wasn't that long ago 907 00:55:50,968 --> 00:55:52,534 that, you know, you suffered a tragedy, 908 00:55:52,601 --> 00:55:54,121 losing your wife and your two daughters 909 00:55:54,167 --> 00:55:55,634 in a home invasion. 910 00:55:55,701 --> 00:55:57,243 Talk a little bit, if you will, Dr. Petit, 911 00:55:57,267 --> 00:55:58,834 about the mission, about the mission 912 00:55:58,901 --> 00:56:00,500 of the Petit Family Foundation. 913 00:56:00,567 --> 00:56:01,667 It's essentially to help out 914 00:56:01,734 --> 00:56:04,334 people with chronic illnesses, 915 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,868 which was a nod to Hayley, 916 00:56:06,934 --> 00:56:09,067 who was accepted at Dartmouth and wanted 917 00:56:09,133 --> 00:56:11,968 to major in biology and considered 918 00:56:12,033 --> 00:56:14,367 medicine or other careers. 919 00:56:14,434 --> 00:56:18,000 And to help people affected by violence in their life, 920 00:56:18,067 --> 00:56:23,300 which there's obviously far too much of, 921 00:56:23,367 --> 00:56:26,868 as evidenced by the shootings in Oakland 922 00:56:26,934 --> 00:56:28,801 and the shootings in Pittsburgh. 923 00:56:28,868 --> 00:56:30,743 There are a few things that make me mad as hell, 924 00:56:30,767 --> 00:56:33,634 and one is when I heard that the legislature 925 00:56:33,701 --> 00:56:36,934 was even talking about, even considering 926 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,601 abolishing the death penalty here in Connecticut. 927 00:56:39,667 --> 00:56:41,067 And I'm beginning to wonder, 928 00:56:41,133 --> 00:56:43,868 do I have anything in common with this state anymore? 929 00:56:43,934 --> 00:56:45,200 I mean, what the heck? 930 00:56:45,267 --> 00:56:46,710 One of the studies that has been done, 931 00:56:46,734 --> 00:56:48,254 and it does get brought up by people... 932 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:49,434 Study, study, study. 933 00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:51,300 Well, this study actually has some 934 00:56:51,367 --> 00:56:52,901 very good statistics, which are 935 00:56:52,968 --> 00:56:56,067 most violent criminals who commit the most heinous of crimes 936 00:56:56,133 --> 00:56:58,267 don't see the death penalty as a deterrent 937 00:56:58,334 --> 00:57:00,667 because their sociopathic activities 938 00:57:00,734 --> 00:57:02,834 don't take into account consequences. 939 00:57:02,901 --> 00:57:05,000 How do you feel about that, Dr. Petit? 940 00:57:05,067 --> 00:57:07,067 Death penalty's clearly a deterrent, because 941 00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:08,677 the person that has committed the violent crime 942 00:57:08,701 --> 00:57:09,861 can no longer commit it again, 943 00:57:09,901 --> 00:57:12,234 so that person is removed from society, 944 00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:13,934 and I think they've forfeited their right 945 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,667 to live in a civilized society, and... 946 00:57:17,734 --> 00:57:20,968 The taking of a life, the opponents like to say 947 00:57:21,033 --> 00:57:23,834 it's murder by the government, but 948 00:57:23,901 --> 00:57:28,567 that's a semantic issue, because 949 00:57:28,634 --> 00:57:30,534 murder is the unlawful taking. 950 00:57:30,601 --> 00:57:32,934 We have laws set down for certain reasons, 951 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,033 and certainly the defense attorneys spend 952 00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:37,033 lots of time and lots of our money 953 00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:39,100 using the law to their benefit, 954 00:57:39,167 --> 00:57:41,601 and the law says that for certain crimes, 955 00:57:41,667 --> 00:57:44,534 there's an ultimate penalty, and society's 956 00:57:44,601 --> 00:57:47,267 believed in that for thousands of years. 957 00:57:47,334 --> 00:57:48,810 And that fight will continue, and I know 958 00:57:48,834 --> 00:57:51,834 that is one of the things you're gonna fight passionately, 959 00:57:51,901 --> 00:57:54,200 to make sure that those laws stay in place, 960 00:57:54,267 --> 00:57:58,667 and no better spokesman than you, Dr. Petit, 961 00:57:58,734 --> 00:58:01,701 for why these laws are here. 962 00:58:01,767 --> 00:58:03,143 State lawmakers are considering a bill 963 00:58:03,167 --> 00:58:05,133 that would change the death penalty law, 964 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,067 and Dr. William Petit gave his opinion 965 00:58:07,133 --> 00:58:09,400 on the same day of a hearing for one of the men... 966 00:58:09,467 --> 00:58:10,601 Death penalty opponents 967 00:58:10,667 --> 00:58:12,701 speak of the inviolable sanctity of life. 968 00:58:12,767 --> 00:58:16,634 They love slogans such as "Do not kill in our name" and the like. 969 00:58:16,701 --> 00:58:18,500 Thus, I assume that death penalty opponents 970 00:58:18,567 --> 00:58:21,701 value the lives of murderers more than their victims. 971 00:58:21,767 --> 00:58:24,100 Specifically, to me, as a victim... 972 00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:26,167 You know, if you're for the death penalty, 973 00:58:26,234 --> 00:58:28,868 this is the poster child, no question about it. 974 00:58:28,934 --> 00:58:30,643 If you're against the death penalty, like I am, 975 00:58:30,667 --> 00:58:33,701 this guy is the poster child for the death penalty. 976 00:58:33,767 --> 00:58:36,267 I mean, him and Saddam Hussein, right? 977 00:58:36,334 --> 00:58:39,334 Kind of hard to argue the case. 978 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,634 But it's not a philosophical debate anymore. 979 00:58:44,701 --> 00:58:47,601 This is reality. 980 00:58:47,667 --> 00:58:50,434 And the ordeal you have to go through, 981 00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:53,968 once it's a death penalty case, is considerable. 982 00:58:57,234 --> 00:59:00,467 It's a guaranteed multiple-years ordeal 983 00:59:00,534 --> 00:59:04,500 in terms of just the trial, and after the conviction, 984 00:59:04,567 --> 00:59:08,033 scores of years of appeals and frustration. 985 00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,801 And all this time, the focus is on the murderers. 986 00:59:10,868 --> 00:59:13,968 They become mini-celebrities. 987 00:59:14,033 --> 00:59:17,868 You have to go into gruesome detail about what happened, 988 00:59:17,934 --> 00:59:21,400 because the prosecutors must prove that 989 00:59:21,467 --> 00:59:24,267 the aggravating factors outweigh the mitigating factors, 990 00:59:24,334 --> 00:59:27,267 and the aggravating factor is unusually cruel and heinous. 991 00:59:27,334 --> 00:59:28,810 In other words, you have to prove that 992 00:59:28,834 --> 00:59:30,901 compared to other triple murders, 993 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,434 this one is much worse. 994 00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:37,100 Once this gets under way, people are not gonna like what they see, 995 00:59:37,133 --> 00:59:41,767 and it's just starting to get under way now. 996 00:59:41,834 --> 00:59:44,400 And so I guess I'd say to Dr. Petit, you know, 997 00:59:44,467 --> 00:59:47,667 I don't know who's giving you advice, but 998 00:59:47,734 --> 00:59:49,901 I think if anyone's implying to you that 999 00:59:49,968 --> 00:59:51,476 there's a realistic hope that these guys 1000 00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:55,434 would ever actually be executed, I think they're misleading you. 1001 00:59:57,434 --> 01:00:01,300 The one and only time we had an execution here, in my lifetime, 1002 01:00:01,367 --> 01:00:03,767 in Connecticut, was this guy Michael Ross, 1003 01:00:03,834 --> 01:00:07,300 and that was after 25 years of drama to get to that point, 1004 01:00:07,367 --> 01:00:10,267 and the guy asked to be executed. 1005 01:00:10,334 --> 01:00:11,834 The reality is that you'll feel 1006 01:00:11,901 --> 01:00:14,534 like you're making progress every day, 1007 01:00:14,601 --> 01:00:16,667 but it's gonna go on forever. 1008 01:00:47,601 --> 01:00:52,100 It'll probably be two years before they even start 1009 01:00:52,167 --> 01:00:54,467 selecting of the jury. 1010 01:00:59,601 --> 01:01:01,567 I'm getting pretty old. 1011 01:01:01,634 --> 01:01:05,634 I hope I live long enough so that I can attend the trial. 1012 01:01:07,534 --> 01:01:09,868 I want to see justice done. 1013 01:01:13,601 --> 01:01:15,400 "Attention Detective Fran Budwitz 1014 01:01:15,467 --> 01:01:17,767 "of the Connecticut State Police. 1015 01:01:17,834 --> 01:01:20,434 "I give this statement to aid and assist those 1016 01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:23,000 "who now have the burden and huge responsibility 1017 01:01:23,067 --> 01:01:25,868 "of seeking justice. 1018 01:01:25,934 --> 01:01:29,434 "My earliest memories of Steve go back to age 4 or 5. 1019 01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:33,667 "Steve presented himself as the apple of everyone's eye. 1020 01:01:33,734 --> 01:01:37,534 "What many people did not see was the brother I knew. 1021 01:01:37,601 --> 01:01:41,801 "Being young and naive, I arrived home from school in seventh grade. 1022 01:01:41,868 --> 01:01:43,667 "Steven and his friends were using the oven 1023 01:01:43,734 --> 01:01:45,834 "to dry out some marijuana. 1024 01:01:45,901 --> 01:01:47,834 "He turned on the burner on the stove. 1025 01:01:47,901 --> 01:01:50,834 "He told me it was really cool and put my hand over it. 1026 01:01:50,901 --> 01:01:53,701 It's cool. You won't get hurt. 1027 01:01:53,767 --> 01:01:55,968 "As soon as I put my hand over the burner, 1028 01:01:56,033 --> 01:01:58,667 "he pushed my hand onto the hot burner 1029 01:01:58,734 --> 01:02:02,267 "and I had ring scars that lasted for months. 1030 01:02:02,334 --> 01:02:04,701 "To say there hasn't been a history of violence, 1031 01:02:04,767 --> 01:02:06,934 "well, this should... this should serve to say 1032 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,767 "the predisposition was there. 1033 01:02:09,834 --> 01:02:12,801 "It was always there. 1034 01:02:12,868 --> 01:02:15,500 "Within two months of moving, Steve took my mother's car 1035 01:02:15,567 --> 01:02:17,834 "in the middle of the night. 1036 01:02:17,901 --> 01:02:20,033 "Upon calling the police, the relationship 1037 01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:24,767 "with my mom, Steven, and the law enforcement officials began. 1038 01:02:24,834 --> 01:02:27,167 "Steven is not sick. 1039 01:02:27,234 --> 01:02:31,100 "Steven is cunning and calculating. 1040 01:02:31,167 --> 01:02:34,300 "Please exercise discretion. 1041 01:02:34,367 --> 01:02:35,901 "I will assist how I can. 1042 01:02:35,968 --> 01:02:38,133 "However, there is enough to hang him 1043 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,901 "without any family involvement. 1044 01:02:40,968 --> 01:02:43,567 "Steven is alone. He will answer to God, 1045 01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:45,934 "he will answer to the law, and my prayer is 1046 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,200 "he will answer to himself before fate hands him 1047 01:02:49,267 --> 01:02:50,734 his final sentence." 1048 01:03:06,968 --> 01:03:08,567 I don't know. 1049 01:03:11,067 --> 01:03:14,133 I'd like to be there from the beginning of each trial 1050 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,133 through the end of each one. 1051 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,300 If there are things to look at that they had to endure, 1052 01:03:22,367 --> 01:03:24,968 I feel like it's part of my life to know 1053 01:03:25,033 --> 01:03:28,968 what they lived through or died through, 1054 01:03:29,033 --> 01:03:32,934 and I just feel like it's not to punish ourselves, 1055 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,634 it's just to know in the end and have that finality of. 1056 01:03:36,701 --> 01:03:38,734 "Oh, this is how it looked. 1057 01:03:38,801 --> 01:03:40,868 This is what they say they did." 1058 01:03:50,667 --> 01:03:52,467 A thief in the night, I've come to steal 1059 01:03:52,534 --> 01:03:56,067 not jewels and money but your personal safety, 1060 01:03:56,133 --> 01:03:59,801 privacy, and security. 1061 01:03:59,868 --> 01:04:04,267 I violate your inner asylum of intimacy. 1062 01:04:04,334 --> 01:04:08,968 I piss on your optical illusion of peace and innocence. 1063 01:04:09,033 --> 01:04:13,467 I feast on your animosity. 1064 01:04:13,534 --> 01:04:15,801 The Petit family passed through their fear 1065 01:04:15,868 --> 01:04:18,667 into the calm waters of abject terror, 1066 01:04:18,734 --> 01:04:23,834 like mesmerized rabbits cornered by a springing predator. 1067 01:04:23,901 --> 01:04:27,801 To see that fear, that emotional pain I feel every day 1068 01:04:27,868 --> 01:04:30,033 manifested on another's face 1069 01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:33,367 validates that this pain in me is real. 1070 01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,901 The shockwaves of my self's hopelessness 1071 01:04:39,968 --> 01:04:43,067 reverberated its bitterness through my rocked soul 1072 01:04:43,133 --> 01:04:48,067 at the realization that I crossed life's bridge of depravity. 1073 01:04:48,133 --> 01:04:51,300 The awakening of my shadow, repressed within, 1074 01:04:51,367 --> 01:04:53,167 reaching its zenith that morning 1075 01:04:53,234 --> 01:04:56,200 with rapturous control of Michaela. 1076 01:04:56,267 --> 01:04:59,234 Her age was insignificant. 1077 01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:01,434 Come on, Shadow. Come on, Rummy. 1078 01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:05,300 Inside. Let's go. Let's go. Inside. 1079 01:05:05,367 --> 01:05:09,400 On the phone, Joshua denied raping the 11-year-old, 1080 01:05:09,467 --> 01:05:13,300 but I knew Joshua raped that 11-year-old. 1081 01:05:13,367 --> 01:05:15,968 I just knew. And he kept... 1082 01:05:16,033 --> 01:05:17,801 Joshua kept telling me that he didn't 1083 01:05:17,868 --> 01:05:20,133 and I didn't believe him. 1084 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:21,467 I couldn't believe him. 1085 01:05:21,534 --> 01:05:25,567 Because I was raped in ninth grade, 1086 01:05:25,634 --> 01:05:27,167 and... 1087 01:05:39,734 --> 01:05:45,334 Before I left, I told him about it. 1088 01:05:51,601 --> 01:05:55,000 I know he didn't know Michaela at the time, 1089 01:05:55,067 --> 01:05:58,234 but I feel like maybe he was thinking of a Michaela 1090 01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:01,267 while he was doing that stuff to me. 1091 01:06:05,701 --> 01:06:07,934 Punishment that would be good enough for him 1092 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,534 would be having done to him what he'd done to them. 1093 01:06:34,434 --> 01:06:36,100 Roll cue to video. 1094 01:06:36,167 --> 01:06:38,601 Sure. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 1095 01:06:38,667 --> 01:06:40,834 There are two suspects, but Steven Hayes 1096 01:06:40,901 --> 01:06:42,467 goes on trial first. 1097 01:06:42,534 --> 01:06:43,934 He is in court today, but he looks 1098 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,033 very different from his mug shot. 1099 01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:49,334 He's lost weight, he's in a regular striped shirt and pants, 1100 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,601 no handcuffs on him in front of the jury. 1101 01:06:51,667 --> 01:06:54,601 And it is because this case has gotten so much publicity 1102 01:06:54,667 --> 01:06:57,701 that picking an impartial jury could be difficult. 1103 01:06:57,767 --> 01:06:58,976 Sunny, you were inside the courtroom today. 1104 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,567 What sort of state did Komisarjevsky appear to be in? 1105 01:07:02,634 --> 01:07:05,500 He's much heavier now. He sort of has a buzz cut. 1106 01:07:05,567 --> 01:07:08,133 Komisarjevsky is dressed in a suit 1107 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,534 and engaged in the process. 1108 01:07:09,601 --> 01:07:12,200 Now, if you're wondering how long this is all going to last, 1109 01:07:12,267 --> 01:07:14,067 we're talking about several months. 1110 01:07:14,133 --> 01:07:18,133 This morning, the judge told the... 1111 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,710 From the courthouse, I don't think Cheshire's 1112 01:07:19,734 --> 01:07:22,634 but about a 15-minute drive. 1113 01:07:22,701 --> 01:07:24,701 Everybody knew this case. 1114 01:07:24,767 --> 01:07:28,801 Terry Nichols, Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bombing cases 1115 01:07:28,868 --> 01:07:30,801 were number 2 and 3. 1116 01:07:30,868 --> 01:07:32,868 Komisarjevsky was number one. 1117 01:07:34,801 --> 01:07:37,200 Talking to almost 2,000 prospective jurors, 1118 01:07:37,267 --> 01:07:40,601 everyone had made conclusions based on the publicity, 1119 01:07:40,667 --> 01:07:43,067 and that conclusion was very clear. 1120 01:07:43,133 --> 01:07:46,567 Joshua Komisarjevsky was guilty. 1121 01:07:46,634 --> 01:07:51,601 75% also expressed the opinion that Joshua should die. 1122 01:07:51,667 --> 01:07:53,434 I've never had a jury selection where 1123 01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:57,234 people would jump out of their seats... "I'll kill him now." 1124 01:07:57,300 --> 01:07:59,834 It's in the news, Internet. How could you miss it? 1125 01:07:59,901 --> 01:08:03,133 What did you think when you saw him? 1126 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,434 Um... I just think he's a murderer. 1127 01:08:23,934 --> 01:08:28,200 "Frustrating day, but two more jurors were selected. 1128 01:08:28,267 --> 01:08:32,334 "That came in at 8:13 this morning. 1129 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,767 "Still need 4 more jurors, 6 alternates, 1130 01:08:35,834 --> 01:08:38,000 and two substitutes." 1131 01:08:43,234 --> 01:08:44,767 So it's about 11:00 this morning 1132 01:08:44,834 --> 01:08:46,300 my time Pacific time, 1133 01:08:46,367 --> 01:08:49,868 and one of Steven's attorney's called. 1134 01:08:49,934 --> 01:08:51,601 They went in to check on him this morning 1135 01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:54,234 and he was unresponsive. 1136 01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:58,567 Steven's lying in a coma induced by, you know, a medical team. 1137 01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:01,067 They're not sharing why. 1138 01:09:01,133 --> 01:09:05,667 You know, the attorney said that he could very well die. 1139 01:09:05,734 --> 01:09:09,801 And they're expected to be back in court tomorrow. 1140 01:09:09,868 --> 01:09:12,334 They can't proceed without him in the room. 1141 01:09:17,267 --> 01:09:19,767 Steven squirreled away 1142 01:09:19,834 --> 01:09:26,500 9 or so doses of Thorazine and Klonopin. 1143 01:09:26,567 --> 01:09:30,367 And you might question how this could happen. 1144 01:09:30,434 --> 01:09:35,000 About a year before this, Steven Hayes had made a suicide attempt 1145 01:09:35,067 --> 01:09:37,200 and one of the things they found in his cell 1146 01:09:37,267 --> 01:09:39,234 was a suicide note. 1147 01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:43,734 I quote, "I am sorry. All I want to do is die. 1148 01:09:43,801 --> 01:09:45,934 "It is the only way to end the pain I go through 1149 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,767 "every day 24/7, and more important, 1150 01:09:48,834 --> 01:09:51,534 "the pain that trial will bring to others. 1151 01:09:51,601 --> 01:09:54,968 "Time to go to the last undiscovered country. 1152 01:09:55,033 --> 01:09:57,667 "Although I am not the monster that Josh is, 1153 01:09:57,734 --> 01:09:59,767 "I am one nevertheless. 1154 01:09:59,834 --> 01:10:03,467 "A coward, because I could not do what was right. 1155 01:10:03,534 --> 01:10:06,100 "Looking back on my life, I was nothing but 1156 01:10:06,167 --> 01:10:10,267 "a self-centered asshole who cared only of himself. 1157 01:10:10,334 --> 01:10:12,234 "But the ironic facet to this is 1158 01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:15,367 "I have always had the ability to change. 1159 01:10:15,434 --> 01:10:18,734 But cowards don't change. They become me." 1160 01:10:23,767 --> 01:10:27,200 The judge actually toured Hayes' cell yesterday. 1161 01:10:27,267 --> 01:10:31,000 It's called a safe cell, which will protect him 1162 01:10:31,067 --> 01:10:32,000 from harming himself. 1163 01:10:32,067 --> 01:10:33,210 We learned a lot... He also wears 1164 01:10:33,234 --> 01:10:36,167 something called Ferguson clothing, which 1165 01:10:36,234 --> 01:10:38,868 an inmate wears if they're in jeopardy of killing themselves, 1166 01:10:38,934 --> 01:10:40,567 because they can't tear up the clothes 1167 01:10:40,634 --> 01:10:42,534 and use it as a noose. 1168 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,300 Good day. Good morning. 1169 01:10:51,367 --> 01:10:53,367 How difficult, Dr. Petit, is it to sit in there 1170 01:10:53,434 --> 01:10:57,267 and have them discuss Hayes' conditions in prison 1171 01:10:57,334 --> 01:10:58,968 for two hours at a time? 1172 01:10:59,033 --> 01:11:01,033 The lights being on? 1173 01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:04,701 Uh, it's difficult. Uh... 1174 01:11:04,767 --> 01:11:07,267 Somehow, it was OK for the defendants 1175 01:11:07,334 --> 01:11:11,667 to bind us and beat us and rape us and torture us 1176 01:11:11,734 --> 01:11:15,334 and set the place on fire, but you can't be... 1177 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,434 Can't be held in a cell with the lights on, 1178 01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:23,300 and somehow there's something wrong with that. 1179 01:11:23,367 --> 01:11:27,500 It's surreal. The entire prosecution 1180 01:11:27,567 --> 01:11:30,801 is geared to killing Steven Hayes, 1181 01:11:30,868 --> 01:11:34,734 and so here he is trying to kill himself 1182 01:11:34,801 --> 01:11:36,300 but we won't let him do that, 1183 01:11:36,367 --> 01:11:39,200 because we want to extract our pound of flesh. 1184 01:11:39,267 --> 01:11:44,300 It's really a sick kind of process, in my opinion. 1185 01:11:59,601 --> 01:12:03,400 Tragedy in trial! Front page! 1186 01:12:03,467 --> 01:12:07,567 Tragedy in trial! Front page! 1187 01:12:09,033 --> 01:12:11,634 Right now, both sides are inside this courtroom. 1188 01:12:11,701 --> 01:12:14,200 All eyes are on what's going to happen 1189 01:12:14,267 --> 01:12:16,434 in these opening arguments. 1190 01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:19,534 The heavy, heavy security around Steven Hayes 1191 01:12:19,601 --> 01:12:22,834 brought in by authorities on a convoy of vehicles... 1192 01:12:22,901 --> 01:12:24,510 There's no cameras allowed in the courtroom, 1193 01:12:24,534 --> 01:12:26,743 so you're not going to see what's actually going on in there, 1194 01:12:26,767 --> 01:12:28,534 but tweeting is allowed. 1195 01:12:28,601 --> 01:12:30,400 A juror has been excused. 1196 01:12:30,467 --> 01:12:32,767 It's because she said she couldn't be fair, 1197 01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:34,300 because she heard news reports 1198 01:12:34,367 --> 01:12:36,167 of Steven Hayes' suicide attempt. 1199 01:12:36,234 --> 01:12:38,567 This jury will end up making two decisions. 1200 01:12:38,634 --> 01:12:41,467 One will be the guilt or innocence of the defendant, 1201 01:12:41,534 --> 01:12:42,934 and if they find him guilty, 1202 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,968 then they would have to decide 1203 01:12:45,033 --> 01:12:46,934 if he should get the death penalty 1204 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,667 for the crime. 1205 01:12:55,701 --> 01:12:57,801 Going into the courtroom, Steven Hayes 1206 01:12:57,868 --> 01:13:01,133 was, like, off to my left. 1207 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,734 I look at him and I think, 1208 01:13:03,801 --> 01:13:07,300 "I still can't believe that you did this." 1209 01:13:10,434 --> 01:13:13,868 I said as soon as I found out that my sister died, 1210 01:13:13,934 --> 01:13:18,200 "Just come into me, be a part of me." 1211 01:13:18,267 --> 01:13:20,968 So I kept staring at him, 1212 01:13:21,033 --> 01:13:23,467 and sometimes I think, "Is that a part of her 1213 01:13:23,534 --> 01:13:25,567 "saying, like, Stare at him. 1214 01:13:25,634 --> 01:13:27,000 Don't take your eyes off of him. 1215 01:13:27,067 --> 01:13:29,033 Like, he... he can't be trusted." 1216 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,767 I'd like to say a few things to these guys. 1217 01:13:42,334 --> 01:13:46,734 I'd like them to answer me the question, 1218 01:13:46,801 --> 01:13:51,701 do they know what it is to be terrorized? 1219 01:13:55,567 --> 01:13:57,200 After waiting more than 3 years, 1220 01:13:57,267 --> 01:13:59,801 the Petit and Hawke families are ready for this process 1221 01:13:59,868 --> 01:14:01,400 to finally begin, 1222 01:14:01,467 --> 01:14:04,334 and are hopeful in the end that justice will prevail, 1223 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:11,100 and we think of Jennifer, Hayley, and Michaela every second of every day. 1224 01:14:11,167 --> 01:14:16,801 It is a system, you know, and people say it's 1225 01:14:16,868 --> 01:14:18,634 the best system in the world, 1226 01:14:18,701 --> 01:14:22,701 but it's a... it's a maddening system at best. 1227 01:14:22,767 --> 01:14:25,534 People spend a lot of time parsing words 1228 01:14:25,601 --> 01:14:29,133 instead of really trying to get to 1229 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,834 what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is evil. 1230 01:14:33,901 --> 01:14:36,701 But it's the system we have, so we're hoping... 1231 01:14:36,767 --> 01:14:39,334 We're hoping that the system we have will give us justice. 1232 01:14:45,367 --> 01:14:51,000 Today's date is July 23, 2007. 1233 01:14:51,067 --> 01:14:52,300 Statements taking place 1234 01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:55,667 at the Cheshire Police Department headquarters. 1235 01:14:55,734 --> 01:14:59,868 Joshua Komisarjevsky, do you know why you're here? 1236 01:15:04,868 --> 01:15:08,701 OK. And you went to Stop and Shop in Cheshire? 1237 01:15:39,267 --> 01:15:42,500 On the night of July 22, 1238 01:15:42,567 --> 01:15:47,434 Josh and Steven were texting each other. 1239 01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:52,567 Steven texting Josh about "When are we gonna get going?" 1240 01:15:52,634 --> 01:15:54,934 It was kind of like an excitement about 1241 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,467 going to burglarize this house. 1242 01:16:04,701 --> 01:16:07,534 He drives down to Cheshire. 1243 01:16:07,601 --> 01:16:11,767 He and Josh go to a bar. 1244 01:16:11,834 --> 01:16:15,334 And then they start looking for this house 1245 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,167 that Josh knows about from when they were 1246 01:16:17,234 --> 01:16:19,734 shopping at Stop and Shop earlier. 1247 01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:24,400 It's always been my opinion that he was attracted by 1248 01:16:24,467 --> 01:16:28,467 the young girl Michaela rather than the money 1249 01:16:28,534 --> 01:16:31,033 or the Mercedes. 1250 01:16:37,133 --> 01:16:40,200 Josh was born into a family with a history of mental problems. 1251 01:16:40,267 --> 01:16:41,667 Then he was adopted by a family 1252 01:16:41,734 --> 01:16:46,100 that had no ability to cope with mental problems. 1253 01:16:46,167 --> 01:16:50,300 And so he was doomed by biology, and then he was doomed by fate. 1254 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,667 When Josh was 3 years old, the family took into the home 1255 01:16:55,734 --> 01:16:59,167 two foster children, a girl and a boy. 1256 01:16:59,234 --> 01:17:03,234 And Josh underwent really horrible and extensive 1257 01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:05,734 sexual abuse at the hand of Scott. 1258 01:17:09,267 --> 01:17:12,167 I think it started off playing little sex games, 1259 01:17:12,234 --> 01:17:14,701 having him pose naked, and then it proceeded 1260 01:17:14,767 --> 01:17:17,067 to full-scale anal intercourse 1261 01:17:17,133 --> 01:17:20,868 and to Josh's being burned with cigarettes. 1262 01:17:20,934 --> 01:17:23,167 Against the background of all of this, 1263 01:17:23,234 --> 01:17:26,067 Josh is at a church in which it is taught 1264 01:17:26,133 --> 01:17:27,400 that there is evil in the world 1265 01:17:27,467 --> 01:17:29,968 and probably the greatest abomination of all 1266 01:17:30,033 --> 01:17:33,334 is homosexuality. 1267 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:34,910 And so you've got a what, a 5-year-old, 1268 01:17:34,934 --> 01:17:38,767 a 6-year-old, a 7-year-old listening to this 1269 01:17:38,834 --> 01:17:41,434 and thinking to himself that I am fundamentally evil, 1270 01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:44,100 I have engaged in that kind of activity, 1271 01:17:44,167 --> 01:17:46,500 and really not being able to tell anybody about it. 1272 01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:56,634 There's a theme that I saw in Steven's life of... 1273 01:17:56,701 --> 01:17:58,500 of betrayal. 1274 01:17:59,901 --> 01:18:03,534 Steven had been sexually abused as a child, 1275 01:18:03,601 --> 01:18:08,734 which led him to become more emotionally 1276 01:18:08,801 --> 01:18:11,801 disconnected from people. 1277 01:18:11,868 --> 01:18:14,767 The turning towards drugs and the desperate state of mind 1278 01:18:14,834 --> 01:18:17,767 that he found himself in, 1279 01:18:17,834 --> 01:18:20,133 all of this helped explain 1280 01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,834 how Steven could've done what he had done. 1281 01:19:59,701 --> 01:20:01,500 KK. Obviously she told you 1282 01:20:01,567 --> 01:20:03,667 her nickname or whatever is KK, 1283 01:20:03,734 --> 01:20:04,901 or you made that up? 1284 01:20:19,534 --> 01:20:22,200 I met Josh when I was 13. 1285 01:20:22,267 --> 01:20:26,234 Josh's parents started attending the church that we went to, 1286 01:20:26,300 --> 01:20:30,267 the Evangelical Bible Church. 1287 01:20:30,334 --> 01:20:32,133 And we dated... we were in a relationship 1288 01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,100 for about two years. 1289 01:20:34,167 --> 01:20:38,500 We started, um, dating when I was 14 or 15 1290 01:20:38,567 --> 01:20:41,467 and then our relationship was ended by the church. 1291 01:20:44,901 --> 01:20:46,781 Throughout the whole course of our relationship, 1292 01:20:46,834 --> 01:20:49,234 we were always trying to not have sex. 1293 01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:54,234 That was the goal. It felt deeply, deeply sinful. 1294 01:20:57,234 --> 01:21:01,734 Our church community was our home school community, 1295 01:21:01,801 --> 01:21:04,100 and Josh's family and mine as well 1296 01:21:04,167 --> 01:21:08,434 had a very specific idea of good and evil. 1297 01:21:11,801 --> 01:21:17,167 The devil was understood to be an entity that you could know, 1298 01:21:17,234 --> 01:21:20,000 so if Josh had anxiety, it was the devil. 1299 01:21:20,067 --> 01:21:22,901 If he did something wrong, it was because he was being used 1300 01:21:22,968 --> 01:21:25,601 as a agent of the devil. 1301 01:21:28,133 --> 01:21:32,067 Josh spoke some to me about the sexual abuse 1302 01:21:32,133 --> 01:21:33,901 that had happened to him, 1303 01:21:33,968 --> 01:21:36,601 but there wasn't even a way for him 1304 01:21:36,667 --> 01:21:40,601 to tell me without weeping. 1305 01:21:40,667 --> 01:21:44,400 Josh had terrible anxiety attacks. 1306 01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:49,334 His home was not ever safe for him. 1307 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:54,000 The safe place was being away and hiding in the woods. 1308 01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,767 He was trespassing and sneaking around, 1309 01:22:00,834 --> 01:22:08,200 spying on people, long before it was a criminal offense. 1310 01:22:08,267 --> 01:22:09,801 I think that he envied people 1311 01:22:09,868 --> 01:22:12,701 and he would daydream about being them. 1312 01:22:20,734 --> 01:22:22,667 They find beer in the refrigerator 1313 01:22:22,734 --> 01:22:26,200 and drink throughout the night. 1314 01:22:26,267 --> 01:22:31,868 Steven finds jars of quarters and coins. 1315 01:22:31,934 --> 01:22:34,667 They found a Bank of America book 1316 01:22:34,734 --> 01:22:38,968 and they're waiting for the morning. 1317 01:22:39,033 --> 01:22:42,500 However, Steven worries that 1318 01:22:42,567 --> 01:22:45,434 he's gonna leave DNA evidence in the house, 1319 01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:50,534 and he starts... obsessing. 1320 01:22:50,601 --> 01:22:54,267 And Josh tells him, "Fire destroys everything." 1321 01:22:54,334 --> 01:22:57,500 "We'll get the people out and we'll burn the house down, 1322 01:22:57,567 --> 01:23:00,207 we'll get them somewhere, and then we'll get the hell out of here." 1323 01:23:00,267 --> 01:23:04,667 That's what Steven was thinking about. 1324 01:23:04,734 --> 01:23:06,467 Steven goes into the garage. 1325 01:23:06,534 --> 01:23:10,033 He finds containers and starts driving 1326 01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:11,734 to find a gas station. 1327 01:23:21,467 --> 01:23:23,767 When Steven gets back with the gasoline, 1328 01:23:23,834 --> 01:23:26,067 Josh had changed the clothes of Michaela 1329 01:23:26,133 --> 01:23:28,901 because of activity that he was involved with 1330 01:23:28,968 --> 01:23:31,767 in terms of sexually abusing her. 1331 01:23:31,834 --> 01:23:38,500 And part of that occurred while Steven was out on the gas run, 1332 01:23:38,567 --> 01:23:40,934 because we know that because of Josh's photographs 1333 01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,868 that he took on his cell phone before the bank. 1334 01:23:50,033 --> 01:23:54,868 The first set of photographs showed Michaela. 1335 01:23:54,934 --> 01:23:57,634 They were leg shots and genital area shots, 1336 01:23:57,701 --> 01:24:00,634 but they were clothed. 1337 01:24:00,701 --> 01:24:02,467 The last shots while they were at the bank 1338 01:24:02,534 --> 01:24:04,200 were much more graphic. 1339 01:24:04,267 --> 01:24:06,567 Really awful, awful, awful photographs. 1340 01:24:06,634 --> 01:24:09,234 Those are the kinds of things you never forget. 1341 01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:14,000 They kind of become emblazoned in your mind. 1342 01:24:14,067 --> 01:24:17,300 It just shows the level of depravity 1343 01:24:17,367 --> 01:24:19,801 of Joshua Komisarjevsky. 1344 01:24:28,067 --> 01:24:30,400 Joshua was committed... against the wishes of his parents, 1345 01:24:30,467 --> 01:24:35,300 he was committed and spent, I think, two weeks at Elmcrest. 1346 01:24:36,934 --> 01:24:40,767 He was clearly in terrible shape 1347 01:24:40,834 --> 01:24:42,634 and suicidal. 1348 01:24:44,667 --> 01:24:46,367 The records are very clear that Joshua 1349 01:24:46,434 --> 01:24:48,334 wanted to try the medication, 1350 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:52,567 Joshua wanted the therapy, but the parents rejected it. 1351 01:24:52,634 --> 01:24:54,334 Not only did the parents reject it, 1352 01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,734 but they immediately took him up 1353 01:24:56,801 --> 01:24:59,267 to the Alton Bay Christian Center. 1354 01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:03,000 People would say that he was seeing demons 1355 01:25:03,067 --> 01:25:04,734 and he believed that. 1356 01:25:04,801 --> 01:25:06,467 And would pray that they'd go away, 1357 01:25:06,534 --> 01:25:08,834 and people would gather around him and pray over him 1358 01:25:08,901 --> 01:25:12,934 and lay hands on him and speak in tongues over him. 1359 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,367 Exorcism. That was kind of a regular part of our lives 1360 01:25:16,434 --> 01:25:19,033 when it came to dealing with anxiety. 1361 01:25:20,601 --> 01:25:24,434 He ended up breaking into my room at the discipleship house 1362 01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:26,467 to come and see me. 1363 01:25:26,534 --> 01:25:31,067 He was essentially excommunicated for doing that. 1364 01:25:31,133 --> 01:25:36,300 His whole life, everything, was just gone overnight. 1365 01:25:36,367 --> 01:25:40,200 There was no addressing that perhaps this was a desperate kid 1366 01:25:40,267 --> 01:25:44,968 who actually didn't... wasn't wrestling with the devil 1367 01:25:45,033 --> 01:25:48,634 but had experienced trauma and was losing his grip. 1368 01:25:55,367 --> 01:25:58,234 Some people called our office asking if we would... 1369 01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,367 We would take Josh on in spite of 1370 01:26:00,434 --> 01:26:06,534 some of his legal difficulties as a member of our tour. 1371 01:26:06,601 --> 01:26:10,067 I just gave Josh a little bit of responsibility 1372 01:26:10,133 --> 01:26:13,133 and let him know that I expected him to be a leader, 1373 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:14,434 and he blossomed. 1374 01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:17,267 He just loved it. 1375 01:26:17,334 --> 01:26:22,801 We came to the end of that tour and it was a good tour. 1376 01:26:22,868 --> 01:26:24,267 I think it wasn't long after that 1377 01:26:24,334 --> 01:26:28,200 that Josh joined the Reserves. 1378 01:26:28,267 --> 01:26:32,934 Then he was discharged 1379 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,500 and then that's when 1380 01:26:35,567 --> 01:26:37,400 his troubles started again. 1381 01:26:47,367 --> 01:26:53,133 Morning rolls around. They untie Mrs. Petit. 1382 01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,434 Steven takes her to the bank. 1383 01:26:58,100 --> 01:26:59,834 Mrs. Petit is in the bank. 1384 01:26:59,901 --> 01:27:02,834 It's taking longer than he thought. 1385 01:27:20,567 --> 01:27:22,400 You performed oral sex on KK? 1386 01:27:22,467 --> 01:27:24,100 On KK. 1387 01:27:29,167 --> 01:27:30,901 Did you take pictures of her? 1388 01:27:41,834 --> 01:27:43,901 Now, you said you let her get dressed again. 1389 01:27:43,968 --> 01:27:46,868 How... how is it she came upon being undressed? 1390 01:27:46,934 --> 01:27:49,634 Because you originally said she was dressed. 1391 01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,601 No one disputes that he committed this crime. 1392 01:27:59,667 --> 01:28:01,500 Eventually, he tells the police officer 1393 01:28:01,567 --> 01:28:03,868 that while Hayes is gone, he goes upstairs 1394 01:28:03,934 --> 01:28:05,801 and sexually assaults KK. 1395 01:28:05,868 --> 01:28:08,133 At that point, the judge stops the tape. 1396 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,000 He says, "A juror is having problems 1397 01:28:10,067 --> 01:28:12,100 with this testimony, with this evidence," 1398 01:28:12,167 --> 01:28:13,968 and that he's gonna stop it for the day 1399 01:28:14,033 --> 01:28:15,734 and they will continue again tomorrow. 1400 01:28:15,801 --> 01:28:19,434 A very difficult day in court here, LaToya. 1401 01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:21,100 ...start again? 1402 01:28:21,167 --> 01:28:23,968 We're good. 1403 01:28:24,033 --> 01:28:26,000 Thank you very much. 1404 01:28:31,234 --> 01:28:36,667 Komisarjevsky was calling my youngest niece "KK." 1405 01:28:36,734 --> 01:28:39,534 Like, you know, who are you to be using that term 1406 01:28:39,601 --> 01:28:44,767 and calling her this, like, term of endearment that we use? 1407 01:28:44,834 --> 01:28:47,067 OK, you show me that baseball bat again 1408 01:28:47,133 --> 01:28:52,767 that you hit Billy with and I'll show you how it feels. 1409 01:28:52,834 --> 01:28:54,634 You want them to lose a daughter. 1410 01:28:54,701 --> 01:28:56,234 You want their house to burn down. 1411 01:28:56,300 --> 01:28:59,234 You want them to see how it feels. 1412 01:28:59,300 --> 01:29:02,334 And... and other times, you think, "Gosh, who am I? 1413 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,367 Like, this is wicked. How could I wish this on anybody?" 1414 01:29:18,467 --> 01:29:21,901 Steven is becoming anxious. 1415 01:29:21,968 --> 01:29:24,634 He calls Joshua. 1416 01:29:24,701 --> 01:29:26,868 Joshua tells him, "Everything's gonna be fine. 1417 01:29:26,934 --> 01:29:30,234 The plan is gonna work." 1418 01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:32,167 After a period of time, Mrs. Petit 1419 01:29:32,234 --> 01:29:35,667 comes out of the bank with money. 1420 01:29:35,734 --> 01:29:38,300 When they arrive back at the house, 1421 01:29:38,367 --> 01:29:41,801 Steven is under the belief that the crime is over. 1422 01:29:41,868 --> 01:29:44,334 Now they could leave. 1423 01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,634 But Joshua tells Steven that, we have a problem. 1424 01:29:49,701 --> 01:29:51,834 He had left DNA with one of the children 1425 01:29:51,901 --> 01:29:54,067 and he had to kill them and their dad, 1426 01:29:54,133 --> 01:29:56,801 and Dr. Petit had died from the injuries, 1427 01:29:56,868 --> 01:29:59,734 and that now he had to get his hands dirty 1428 01:29:59,801 --> 01:30:04,200 and kill Mrs. Petit. 1429 01:30:04,267 --> 01:30:08,534 I believe Steven, but from the first time that Josh 1430 01:30:08,601 --> 01:30:11,400 talked to the police, he tried to save himself 1431 01:30:11,467 --> 01:30:15,500 by blaming Steven for all the horrific stuff that occurred. 1432 01:30:54,300 --> 01:30:58,601 Steven tells me that he felt betrayed by Josh, 1433 01:30:58,667 --> 01:31:05,968 that he felt dragged into this horror of a crime, 1434 01:31:06,033 --> 01:31:12,434 and he also felt in a crazy way betrayed by Mrs. Petit, 1435 01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:17,968 because he looks out the window and he sees police cars, 1436 01:31:18,033 --> 01:31:22,167 and he realizes that Mrs. Petit must have 1437 01:31:22,234 --> 01:31:25,567 informed bank officials. 1438 01:31:25,634 --> 01:31:32,000 He is triggered into this state of rage. 1439 01:31:32,067 --> 01:31:35,934 He strangles Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 1440 01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:40,267 he pulls down her pants, pulls her legs up, 1441 01:31:40,334 --> 01:31:44,701 and he vaginally rapes her after he strangles her. 1442 01:31:48,167 --> 01:31:49,801 Which is where the dad was. 1443 01:32:11,968 --> 01:32:15,300 Steven hears Josh telling him they have to leave. 1444 01:32:15,367 --> 01:32:18,100 Spread the gasoline and let's get out of here. 1445 01:32:45,267 --> 01:32:47,934 Why did you close the doors? 1446 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,167 You knew they were tied but you closed the doors. 1447 01:33:05,167 --> 01:33:07,601 Empty bottles of... 1448 01:33:07,667 --> 01:33:09,767 Of gasoline, so he went back up with another bottle? 1449 01:33:20,467 --> 01:33:21,801 OK. 1450 01:33:58,067 --> 01:33:59,300 All of these family members 1451 01:33:59,367 --> 01:34:00,567 that have had to relive 1452 01:34:00,634 --> 01:34:02,901 the horror of what happened inside of that home 1453 01:34:02,968 --> 01:34:04,467 the night they were all tied up 1454 01:34:04,534 --> 01:34:06,734 has been heartbreaking to watch inside of the courtroom. 1455 01:34:06,767 --> 01:34:09,334 The images have been absolutely devastating 1456 01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:10,434 of the crime scene... 1457 01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:12,834 When it's all put out in front of you, 1458 01:34:12,901 --> 01:34:14,534 it's very gruesome. 1459 01:34:14,601 --> 01:34:16,467 It's... it's insane to just hear 1460 01:34:16,534 --> 01:34:18,000 and it's just affected the whole town 1461 01:34:18,067 --> 01:34:21,067 and it's like the whole town is just reliving it all again, 1462 01:34:21,133 --> 01:34:24,467 and it's not easy for all of us. 1463 01:34:30,467 --> 01:34:33,133 These are pictures of, like, the accelerant pattern 1464 01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,067 that they showed. 1465 01:34:35,133 --> 01:34:38,334 They went from, I think where Hayley's body was upstairs 1466 01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,267 into her bedroom and onto her bed 1467 01:34:40,334 --> 01:34:42,767 and then down the hall and into Michaela's bedroom 1468 01:34:42,834 --> 01:34:46,133 and onto her bed. 1469 01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:50,000 And when they finally put the fire detective on the stand, 1470 01:34:50,067 --> 01:34:55,968 I saw Michaela was tied and she had gasoline dumped on her 1471 01:34:56,033 --> 01:34:59,300 while she was alive and alert, 1472 01:34:59,367 --> 01:35:02,100 and that at least Hayley, I know, 1473 01:35:02,167 --> 01:35:05,767 was probably burning while she was breathing. 1474 01:35:05,834 --> 01:35:08,100 And that was just a really hard thing to learn, 1475 01:35:08,167 --> 01:35:11,300 because I never really knew if the girls were alive 1476 01:35:11,367 --> 01:35:15,033 when they were burning or not, 1477 01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:18,968 and it kind of was made true to us 1478 01:35:19,033 --> 01:35:21,133 that that was the case with Hayley, 1479 01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,100 that she had walked while she was on fire, 1480 01:35:24,167 --> 01:35:26,167 because she fell down and the front of her 1481 01:35:26,234 --> 01:35:31,534 was more burned than the back of her. 1482 01:35:31,601 --> 01:35:33,200 I was crying and I just felt like 1483 01:35:33,267 --> 01:35:36,267 I wanted to get out of that courtroom and scream 1484 01:35:36,334 --> 01:35:37,968 and just say, you know, 1485 01:35:38,033 --> 01:35:40,467 "I can't believe what's going on in there." 1486 01:35:40,534 --> 01:35:44,033 You know, I just... it's making me so angry, 1487 01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:47,000 and I can't understand why somebody couldn't have 1488 01:35:47,067 --> 01:35:49,968 ventilated that house for the girls while they were still alive, 1489 01:35:50,033 --> 01:35:54,801 and I just... I want it to be so different. 1490 01:35:54,868 --> 01:35:56,834 We're finally seeing the defense 1491 01:35:56,901 --> 01:36:00,300 giving tough questioning to the Cheshire police officers 1492 01:36:00,367 --> 01:36:04,067 who initially responded to the call of that home invasion. 1493 01:36:04,133 --> 01:36:06,167 The officers said they followed protocol. 1494 01:36:06,234 --> 01:36:08,400 Dr. William Petit has always supported 1495 01:36:08,467 --> 01:36:11,033 the actions of the Cheshire Police Department. 1496 01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,467 One captain testifying that the incident 1497 01:36:13,534 --> 01:36:16,868 did not make sense at first, and he said, 1498 01:36:16,934 --> 01:36:19,367 "It still doesn't make sense today." 1499 01:36:41,167 --> 01:36:43,567 Steven admitted to killing the mom. 1500 01:36:43,634 --> 01:36:45,200 He admitted to raping the mom. 1501 01:36:45,267 --> 01:36:48,267 He admitted to spreading gasoline, 1502 01:36:48,334 --> 01:36:49,701 I mean, so it's not like 1503 01:36:49,767 --> 01:36:54,334 he was trying to get himself out from under in any way. 1504 01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,934 And yet Josh was getting this story out 1505 01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,500 that Steven knew was false. 1506 01:37:00,567 --> 01:37:02,834 Joshua tried to minimize the sexual assault, 1507 01:37:02,901 --> 01:37:04,234 not make it out to be a rape, 1508 01:37:04,300 --> 01:37:07,334 that it was just contact and ejaculation, 1509 01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:08,634 which is absurd given 1510 01:37:08,701 --> 01:37:11,167 the scientific evidence that exists. 1511 01:37:11,234 --> 01:37:15,868 He tried to blame Steven solely for being the person 1512 01:37:15,934 --> 01:37:19,434 who initiated the gasoline and lighting the gasoline 1513 01:37:19,500 --> 01:37:22,667 when there's gasoline on both of their clothes. 1514 01:37:22,734 --> 01:37:26,801 Josh Komisarjevsky was the one who was suggesting 1515 01:37:26,868 --> 01:37:31,500 that they go into a house where people were, 1516 01:37:31,567 --> 01:37:33,801 and for Steven, this was a foolish thing, 1517 01:37:33,868 --> 01:37:37,234 because he was obviously with a guy who 1518 01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:40,067 was uncontrollable. 1519 01:37:43,434 --> 01:37:47,734 And I think it haunts him, really haunts him, 1520 01:37:47,801 --> 01:37:51,968 as to why he didn't walk away. 1521 01:37:52,033 --> 01:37:57,734 Steven's in an isolation cell 24 hours a day. 1522 01:37:57,801 --> 01:37:59,334 He has nightmares. 1523 01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,334 He has nightmares about his own kid burning. 1524 01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:08,300 This is the way his incarceration will last forever. 1525 01:38:08,367 --> 01:38:12,367 So you know, I don't know why we have to kill 1526 01:38:12,434 --> 01:38:15,067 someone who's in a position like that. 1527 01:38:15,133 --> 01:38:17,500 It's like being buried alive. 1528 01:38:21,601 --> 01:38:24,267 We, the defense team, always believed 1529 01:38:24,334 --> 01:38:29,434 that Joshua never had the intention to kill anybody. 1530 01:38:29,500 --> 01:38:32,400 After he bashed Dr. Petit's head several times, 1531 01:38:32,467 --> 01:38:34,934 later on, he got a towel. 1532 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,801 He wiped the blood away from Dr. Petit's head. 1533 01:38:37,868 --> 01:38:41,567 He then got two pillows, put them behind his back, 1534 01:38:41,634 --> 01:38:44,500 and he got two cushions, and his explanation, 1535 01:38:44,567 --> 01:38:46,767 which is in his confession, was that he did so 1536 01:38:46,834 --> 01:38:49,801 because he thought Dr. Petit wasn't comfortable enough, 1537 01:38:49,868 --> 01:38:52,467 and he was concerned about his comfort. 1538 01:38:54,834 --> 01:38:59,300 Why didn't he simply walk in and undo the bindings? 1539 01:38:59,367 --> 01:39:01,100 Dr. Leo Shea, a neuropsychologist, 1540 01:39:01,167 --> 01:39:04,300 testified that Joshua was unable 1541 01:39:04,367 --> 01:39:08,167 to make quick decisions in stressful situations. 1542 01:39:09,767 --> 01:39:15,067 What occurred with Michaela is absolutely unexplainable. 1543 01:39:15,133 --> 01:39:20,601 Such a horrendous crime committed on such a young girl. 1544 01:39:20,667 --> 01:39:23,400 People go to jail for a long time for crimes like that, 1545 01:39:23,467 --> 01:39:27,634 but you don't get the death penalty. 1546 01:39:27,701 --> 01:39:31,500 When Joshua was apprehended, when he was pulled from the car, 1547 01:39:31,567 --> 01:39:32,847 he was straight with the police. 1548 01:39:32,901 --> 01:39:34,276 When Steven Hayes was pulled from the car, 1549 01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:36,167 he gave a phony name, and when asked, 1550 01:39:36,234 --> 01:39:37,376 "Was there anybody in the house?" 1551 01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:38,834 He said, "I don't know." 1552 01:39:38,901 --> 01:39:40,801 When Joshua was pulled from the car, 1553 01:39:40,868 --> 01:39:44,167 he gave his name and he said, "There's a woman inside, 1554 01:39:44,234 --> 01:39:46,801 I believe she's dead, and upstairs there's two girls," 1555 01:39:46,868 --> 01:39:47,976 and he expressed to the police 1556 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,934 that there was some urgency to the situation, 1557 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,376 which was pretty obvious because at that time, 1558 01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:53,434 the house was burning. 1559 01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:55,934 To me, these are things that are inconsistent 1560 01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:57,500 with intending to kill somebody. 1561 01:40:10,534 --> 01:40:13,234 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1562 01:40:13,300 --> 01:40:15,300 Everybody came here safe, 1563 01:40:15,367 --> 01:40:18,334 you know, just to support. 1564 01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:22,334 You know, the teachers after Michaela died said 1565 01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,234 whenever... 1566 01:40:30,801 --> 01:40:35,234 whenever someone in the class... 1567 01:40:40,167 --> 01:40:43,767 She said, "Dr. Petit, I just have to tell you that 1568 01:40:43,834 --> 01:40:47,200 "your daughter Michaela was always the one to 1569 01:40:47,267 --> 01:40:48,934 go with the kid who was excluded," 1570 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,267 and I thank you for standing up for justice 1571 01:40:51,334 --> 01:40:53,500 and what is morally and ethically correct. 1572 01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,234 Dr. Petit is pretty much out there 1573 01:41:08,300 --> 01:41:11,267 with his foundation, which is obviously a really good thing 1574 01:41:11,334 --> 01:41:14,634 and should be supported, 1575 01:41:14,701 --> 01:41:17,834 but we're in the middle of the state trying 1576 01:41:17,901 --> 01:41:21,100 to get the death penalty. 1577 01:41:21,167 --> 01:41:26,234 So as much as I have incredible sympathy for him, 1578 01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:31,567 I think his outspokenness in this case 1579 01:41:31,634 --> 01:41:35,767 has really affected any ability to get a fair trial 1580 01:41:35,834 --> 01:41:38,234 for either of these two defendants. 1581 01:41:38,300 --> 01:41:39,601 What happened, what was said 1582 01:41:39,667 --> 01:41:41,701 during that conversation with Dr. Petit 1583 01:41:41,767 --> 01:41:44,667 that made you just make a 180? 1584 01:41:44,734 --> 01:41:49,734 Dr. Petit came in with his sister-in-law Mrs. Chapman. 1585 01:41:49,801 --> 01:41:53,133 They said if the legislature this year 1586 01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:56,634 votes to repeal the death penalty, 1587 01:41:56,701 --> 01:41:59,167 it'll make it harder for the jury 1588 01:41:59,234 --> 01:42:02,968 to make the decision of the death penalty 1589 01:42:03,033 --> 01:42:07,567 for this monster, this Komisarjevsky. 1590 01:42:07,634 --> 01:42:10,200 I can only imagine that one-on-one conversation. 1591 01:42:10,267 --> 01:42:12,434 You're sitting as close as probably we are now. 1592 01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:16,868 You have no idea. I could not bring myself 1593 01:42:16,934 --> 01:42:21,601 to cause this man any more stress. 1594 01:42:21,667 --> 01:42:24,234 He's a monster. He is a monster, 1595 01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:26,100 and I said, "He's such a monster 1596 01:42:26,167 --> 01:42:28,033 "they should hang him by his penis 1597 01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:30,734 out from a tree in Main Street." 1598 01:42:30,801 --> 01:42:33,634 I can't think of anything bad enough 1599 01:42:33,701 --> 01:42:35,400 that should happen to that man. 1600 01:42:44,167 --> 01:42:46,934 I actually got to see Steve twice, 1601 01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,701 the past two Sundays. 1602 01:42:49,767 --> 01:42:51,767 When I first saw him, I wanted to cry, 1603 01:42:51,834 --> 01:42:53,601 because I haven't seen him in so long, 1604 01:42:53,667 --> 01:42:57,934 but I just didn't want to cry under those circumstances. 1605 01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,467 You have all the guards standing right on top of you. 1606 01:43:03,601 --> 01:43:06,200 And you can't talk about the trial because, 1607 01:43:06,267 --> 01:43:09,100 like, you know that the phones are pretty tapped. 1608 01:43:11,601 --> 01:43:15,133 I know that the family wants him to be dead 1609 01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,200 and it all to be over with, 1610 01:43:17,267 --> 01:43:18,968 but, like, my side of the family, 1611 01:43:19,033 --> 01:43:21,300 we just want him to, like, 1612 01:43:21,367 --> 01:43:23,734 take responsibility for what he did 1613 01:43:23,801 --> 01:43:27,467 without the consequence of the death penalty. 1614 01:43:27,534 --> 01:43:30,667 That won't bring anyone back. 1615 01:43:30,734 --> 01:43:33,167 What happened happened and his death 1616 01:43:33,234 --> 01:43:36,868 isn't gonna bring about much justice. 1617 01:43:41,367 --> 01:43:44,267 Steven Hayes walked into room 6A. 1618 01:43:44,334 --> 01:43:46,014 For the first time, he saw a familiar face. 1619 01:43:46,067 --> 01:43:47,601 It was his brother Matthew. 1620 01:43:47,667 --> 01:43:49,610 The first time that we believe a Hayes family member 1621 01:43:49,634 --> 01:43:51,634 has been in court. 1622 01:44:14,567 --> 01:44:16,567 Prosecutor Michael Dearington said, 1623 01:44:16,634 --> 01:44:19,200 "These two beautiful girls and loving mother were killed 1624 01:44:19,267 --> 01:44:22,033 because Steven Hayes wanted money." 1625 01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:25,300 Defense attorney Thomas Ullmann argued that life without parole 1626 01:44:25,367 --> 01:44:28,367 is the harshest punishment Steven Hayes could be given. 1627 01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:37,801 State's attorney Gary Nicholson 1628 01:44:37,868 --> 01:44:40,801 did not mince words as he spoke to the jury 1629 01:44:40,868 --> 01:44:42,868 in his closing arguments this morning, 1630 01:44:42,934 --> 01:44:45,634 saying that Joshua Komisarjevsky is, quote, 1631 01:44:45,701 --> 01:44:47,100 "No shrinking violet. 1632 01:44:47,167 --> 01:44:50,400 He played a starring role in this crime." 1633 01:44:50,467 --> 01:44:52,200 Nicholson hammered the point 1634 01:44:52,267 --> 01:44:55,167 that Komisarjevsky was first in the house, 1635 01:44:55,234 --> 01:44:58,033 the first to use violence, and had plenty of opportunity 1636 01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:59,467 to leave the home. 1637 01:44:59,534 --> 01:45:01,534 He gave Steven Hayes directions back to the house, 1638 01:45:01,601 --> 01:45:04,167 but Hayes went and bought gasoline. 1639 01:45:04,234 --> 01:45:05,601 It's not fair, is it? 1640 01:45:05,667 --> 01:45:09,467 No. No. No. Mm. 1641 01:45:19,267 --> 01:45:22,901 You know, all I think of is the impact that our girls 1642 01:45:22,968 --> 01:45:26,334 could've made upon the world. 1643 01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:30,667 And, of course, none of that will ever come forth from 1644 01:45:30,734 --> 01:45:33,901 Joshua Komisarjevsky. 1645 01:45:37,868 --> 01:45:39,000 What's the jury weighing? 1646 01:45:39,067 --> 01:45:42,000 Aggravating factors against mitigating factors. 1647 01:45:42,067 --> 01:45:44,667 The aggravating factors brought out by the prosecution... 1648 01:45:44,734 --> 01:45:46,634 The heinous nature of the crimes. 1649 01:45:46,701 --> 01:45:49,100 For the mitigating factors that the defense presented, 1650 01:45:49,167 --> 01:45:50,601 they pointed to a very difficult 1651 01:45:50,667 --> 01:45:53,200 early childhood of Joshua Komisarjevsky. 1652 01:45:53,267 --> 01:45:56,033 The defense said they turned to prayer instead. 1653 01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:58,868 They also pointed to a series of concussions when he was a boy, 1654 01:45:58,934 --> 01:46:01,434 drug use in his teenage and early twenty years, 1655 01:46:01,500 --> 01:46:03,267 all saying it mitigates what happens. 1656 01:46:03,334 --> 01:46:06,033 It means he didn't really know what was going on, 1657 01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:08,534 couldn't make a decision to stop what was going on 1658 01:46:08,601 --> 01:46:10,567 that night in July of 2007, 1659 01:46:10,634 --> 01:46:13,200 and so his life should be spared. 1660 01:46:13,267 --> 01:46:14,267 No verdict today. 1661 01:46:14,300 --> 01:46:17,234 We do expect a verdict by the end of the week. 1662 01:46:22,067 --> 01:46:25,167 We're good. You guys can reach, right? 1663 01:46:25,234 --> 01:46:27,601 Oh, Lord, we gather around this table 1664 01:46:27,667 --> 01:46:30,834 as family and friends. 1665 01:46:30,901 --> 01:46:34,767 We stand at a place in the trial where 1666 01:46:34,834 --> 01:46:38,734 we wonder what will take place. 1667 01:46:38,801 --> 01:46:40,901 But we pray, O God, that we will be able 1668 01:46:40,968 --> 01:46:43,500 to be strong enough 1669 01:46:43,567 --> 01:46:47,667 to accept whatever the outcome may be, 1670 01:46:47,734 --> 01:46:52,200 that it would be your will that would be done. 1671 01:46:52,267 --> 01:46:55,968 For we ask it in the name of Christ. Amen. 1672 01:46:56,033 --> 01:46:57,868 Amen. 1673 01:47:00,968 --> 01:47:04,300 This is all about death or life without parole. 1674 01:47:04,367 --> 01:47:05,367 Really, it does seem like 1675 01:47:05,434 --> 01:47:07,033 the most kind, humane thing 1676 01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:08,634 you could do for a person 1677 01:47:08,701 --> 01:47:13,767 is to allow them to just die. 1678 01:47:13,834 --> 01:47:20,300 I thought of how much that challenges the jurors. 1679 01:47:20,367 --> 01:47:26,133 A lot of pressure has been placed upon their shoulders. 1680 01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:29,901 I'm glad I'm not in that room. 1681 01:47:29,968 --> 01:47:32,300 Yeah. 1682 01:47:32,367 --> 01:47:34,200 Never get those pictures 1683 01:47:34,267 --> 01:47:37,934 out of their heads for the rest of their lives, you know? 1684 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:43,100 It's been very traumatic for everyone. 1685 01:48:05,267 --> 01:48:08,801 This is a case that had just rattled people, 1686 01:48:08,868 --> 01:48:11,167 and a lot of people say that if there is a case 1687 01:48:11,234 --> 01:48:13,767 that warrants the death penalty, this is it. 1688 01:48:13,834 --> 01:48:15,310 Wait a minute. I want to read you something 1689 01:48:15,334 --> 01:48:17,868 that we're... we're getting some word on, 1690 01:48:17,934 --> 01:48:19,310 and you might be able to explain it to us. 1691 01:48:19,334 --> 01:48:22,834 The jurors are standing. The clerk is reading the verdict form. 1692 01:48:22,901 --> 01:48:25,601 Count 4, no statutory mitigators. 1693 01:48:25,667 --> 01:48:27,934 Both aggravators are proven. 1694 01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:33,133 OK. The defendant is sentenced to death, Sunny. 1695 01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:34,901 The jury returns. 1696 01:48:34,968 --> 01:48:36,133 Death penalty verdict. 1697 01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:38,000 Death for the monster who slaughtered 1698 01:48:38,067 --> 01:48:40,267 the Connecticut doctor's family. 1699 01:48:40,334 --> 01:48:43,067 Tonight, a Connecticut jury has done something very rare. 1700 01:48:43,133 --> 01:48:44,643 A Connecticut jury has recommended death 1701 01:48:44,667 --> 01:48:45,734 for Steven Hayes. 1702 01:48:45,801 --> 01:48:47,601 He's convicted of raping and murdering a mom, 1703 01:48:47,667 --> 01:48:52,133 Jennifer Hawke-Petit, and her two daughters, Hayley and Michaela. 1704 01:48:55,601 --> 01:48:58,033 The verdict was devastating. 1705 01:48:59,834 --> 01:49:02,000 Steven wanted a death verdict 1706 01:49:02,067 --> 01:49:04,367 and knew we did everything in our power 1707 01:49:04,434 --> 01:49:06,601 to prevent that from happening, 1708 01:49:06,667 --> 01:49:09,167 in spite of his own efforts to kill himself. 1709 01:49:28,434 --> 01:49:30,367 This case gets attention in Australia. 1710 01:49:30,434 --> 01:49:32,434 It got attention in Europe. 1711 01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:35,667 You know, this was any town, America, any family America, 1712 01:49:35,734 --> 01:49:38,133 and when you saw just how that was shattered 1713 01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:41,200 in a few hours, I think that's powerful... 1714 01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:46,868 Count 5 is death. 1715 01:49:46,934 --> 01:49:48,367 The second count, count 5 1716 01:49:48,434 --> 01:49:50,434 in the murder of Michaela Petit, is death, 1717 01:49:50,500 --> 01:49:52,076 that he intentionally caused the death of a person 1718 01:49:52,100 --> 01:49:55,200 under 16 years old. 1719 01:49:55,267 --> 01:49:56,801 All right, count 10 is death. 1720 01:49:56,868 --> 01:49:58,567 That's... he intentionally caused 1721 01:49:58,634 --> 01:50:03,367 the death of Jennifer Hawke-Petit, the mother. 1722 01:50:03,434 --> 01:50:05,634 OK, count 11 is death. 1723 01:50:11,133 --> 01:50:14,334 A couple of marshals came up behind Joshua in cuffs 1724 01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,634 and really no reaction at all. 1725 01:50:16,701 --> 01:50:19,400 Given the public outrage for these horrendous crimes, 1726 01:50:19,467 --> 01:50:21,076 that we just couldn't get a fair jury here 1727 01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:22,500 and we still feel that way, 1728 01:50:22,567 --> 01:50:24,834 and that's why we had filed a motion to change venue 1729 01:50:24,901 --> 01:50:26,500 and believe it should have been... 1730 01:50:26,567 --> 01:50:27,777 Should have been granted, so that'll be 1731 01:50:27,801 --> 01:50:29,901 one of the main appellate issues. 1732 01:50:29,968 --> 01:50:31,801 I believe the death penalty is just barbaric 1733 01:50:31,868 --> 01:50:33,901 and it puts us in line with countries like 1734 01:50:33,968 --> 01:50:37,701 China, Yemen, Iraq, Iran. 1735 01:50:37,767 --> 01:50:39,176 I don't know what other purpose it serves 1736 01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:41,000 other than simply revenge. 1737 01:50:41,067 --> 01:50:43,334 Walter Bansley III, thank you very much. 1738 01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:44,534 Denise, of course, yeah, 1739 01:50:44,601 --> 01:50:46,143 we're gonna have continuing coverage here. 1740 01:50:46,167 --> 01:50:47,968 The death penalty has been given 1741 01:50:48,033 --> 01:50:49,901 to Joshua Komisarjevsky. 1742 01:50:58,300 --> 01:51:03,534 We are satisfied that the defendant has been judged 1743 01:51:03,601 --> 01:51:08,334 to be the murderer, the rapist, and criminal that he is, 1744 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:12,534 and now he's been condemned to the ultimate penalty. 1745 01:51:12,601 --> 01:51:15,300 We certainly have been criticized over the years 1746 01:51:15,367 --> 01:51:19,767 that this is vengeance and blood lust, but 1747 01:51:19,834 --> 01:51:21,734 this is really about justice. 1748 01:51:21,801 --> 01:51:26,067 We want to go forward with the Petit Family Foundation 1749 01:51:26,133 --> 01:51:31,234 and try to continue to create good out of evil and... 1750 01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:34,200 The defense did what they thought they should do. 1751 01:51:34,267 --> 01:51:37,534 I thought a lot of it was particularly distasteful. 1752 01:51:37,601 --> 01:51:40,033 We saw picture after picture after picture, 1753 01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:42,934 and every time one of those pictures went up, I thought, 1754 01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:44,734 "Charles Manson was a baby once. 1755 01:51:44,801 --> 01:51:48,267 I'm not sure that this is particularly relevant." 1756 01:51:48,334 --> 01:51:50,033 I'd just like to thank our justice system 1757 01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:52,133 as well as the jury members, 1758 01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,701 listening to a lot of things that they would much rather 1759 01:51:54,767 --> 01:51:57,634 not heard or seen. 1760 01:51:57,701 --> 01:52:00,400 I believe that without our defense attorneys, 1761 01:52:00,467 --> 01:52:04,901 we could not have the outcome that we have, 1762 01:52:04,968 --> 01:52:07,167 so we have to even be appreciative 1763 01:52:07,234 --> 01:52:11,300 that there are defense attorneys that will take cases like this. 1764 01:52:11,367 --> 01:52:15,267 And I believe God's will has been done. 1765 01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:24,343 I don't really want to answer any questions. 1766 01:52:24,367 --> 01:52:29,934 I... I feel so sad that my answers... 1767 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,076 I don't know if any of the other defense attorneys... 1768 01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:33,334 ...on death row now. 1769 01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:34,968 There will be automatic appeals. 1770 01:52:35,033 --> 01:52:36,934 There will be appeals upon appeals. 1771 01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:40,033 This will go on for years and years and years, and... 1772 01:52:45,734 --> 01:52:47,434 We offered to plead guilty to every charge 1773 01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:49,300 in the information against us 1774 01:52:49,367 --> 01:52:52,300 so long as death wasn't the result. 1775 01:52:52,367 --> 01:52:53,807 And so Joshua would've been sentenced 1776 01:52:53,834 --> 01:52:57,200 to life without the possibility of release. 1777 01:52:57,267 --> 01:52:58,476 It would've happened, you know, 1778 01:52:58,500 --> 01:53:00,901 3 weeks after the crime had taken place. 1779 01:53:00,968 --> 01:53:04,601 Josh would've disappeared into the... into the great abyss 1780 01:53:04,667 --> 01:53:10,634 of the penal system, and would never be heard from again. 1781 01:53:10,701 --> 01:53:15,901 But that wasn't a serious enough punishment for the state, 1782 01:53:15,968 --> 01:53:17,434 and of course, the state was being 1783 01:53:17,500 --> 01:53:20,534 goaded on by Dr. Petit. 1784 01:53:20,601 --> 01:53:26,934 And so we had to go through 3 years of Hayes and Joshua 1785 01:53:27,033 --> 01:53:29,367 and just forcing the people of Connecticut 1786 01:53:29,434 --> 01:53:31,367 to relive that crime day after day after day 1787 01:53:31,434 --> 01:53:35,868 I think kind of coarsened the social fabric of Connecticut. 1788 01:53:35,934 --> 01:53:37,643 It would've been so much better just to throw those guys in jail 1789 01:53:37,667 --> 01:53:40,434 and throw away the key, but... 1790 01:53:40,500 --> 01:53:42,334 She's pitching! 1791 01:54:11,667 --> 01:54:14,367 The most difficult thing that I had to do in my life 1792 01:54:14,434 --> 01:54:19,000 was to bury my own child and two grandchildren. 1793 01:54:24,267 --> 01:54:28,067 I don't think there will ever be closure 1794 01:54:28,133 --> 01:54:30,067 for our family. 1795 01:54:32,434 --> 01:54:39,334 Jennifer was too much of a giving, loving person, 1796 01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:43,133 and I don't think that we will ever, ever, 1797 01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:48,367 if we live another 100 years, would ever want to forget her. 1798 01:54:48,434 --> 01:54:51,534 So if closure brings forgetting, 1799 01:54:51,601 --> 01:54:53,868 I don't want that closure. 144246

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