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Cheshire Emergency.
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My name is
Mary Lyons.
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I'm the banking
center manager.
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We have a lady who is
in our bank right now
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who says that her
husband and children
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are being held
at their house.
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The people are in a car
outside the bank.
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She is getting $15,000
to bring out to them,
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that if the police
are told, they will kill
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the children
and the husband.
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Her name is Jennifer
Petit... P-e-t-i-t.
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OK. Is she
still in the bank?
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Yes, she is.
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OK. She's being
held or...
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Her... her husband... husband
and family is being held?
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Yes.
At their house?
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Yes. They're tied up.
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She said they
drove her here.
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I'm trying to look and
see where she's gone.
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She went outside
but I don't...
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Oh, wait, I see her
walking now.
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She is petrified.
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And we have...
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Again, facts like that
I can't comment on.
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And a male survivor.
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Upon arrival at
the victims' residence,
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the first officer observed
two male subjects
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exit private residence
and also observed
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the private residence
fully engulfed in flame.
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The suspect vehicle rammed
the Cheshire police officer's car
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and continued
on Sorghum Mill Road.
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Tonight, police removed
the body of one of the victims
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after a home invasion leaves a
mother and her two daughters dead.
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The suspects,
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26-year-old Joshua Komisarjevsky
of Cheshire
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and 44-year-old
Steven Hayes of Winsted
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were caught while trying
to escape in the Petits' car.
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Now, the only question
remains that why
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did this happen
to the Petit family.
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There's not one word that I
can use to describe our town,
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but it's
a phenomenal town.
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It's known as the bedding
capital of Connecticut,
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for bedding plants.
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It was historically
a farming community,
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a lot of family farms, and as
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the state of Connecticut grew,
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as the cities surrounding
the town of Cheshire grew,
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it ultimately became
a bedroom community,
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which I think is probably the
way most people think of Cheshire.
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Returning now
to tonight's top story.
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A mother and her two daughters
are dead,
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their father severely injured,
after a home invasion
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stunned the town of Cheshire.
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The suspects
apparently set the house on fire
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as well as some of the victims.
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Jennifer Petit,
her cause of death
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has been asphyxiation
from strangulation.
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Her daughters Hayley and
Michaela died from smoke inhalation.
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I got a phone call here
on Monday afternoon
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from Billy's sister, and I said,
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"Hannah, it's about the girls,
isn't it?"
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And she said,
"These two men came in
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"at what they think was
3:00 in the morning
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"and they beat Billy really
badly with a baseball bat
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"and his head's all split apart,
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"and then they proceeded to do
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"all these awful things
to the girls,
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and they tied them
to their beds."
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"About 9:00, Jen was made
to go to the bank
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"and withdraw money and then
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"when she came back
from the bank,
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"they set the house on fire
and killed them all
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"so that they could try to cover
up their tracks, I guess,
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but they got the two guys,"
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and all I could think was, "Who
cares if they got the two guys?
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"We don't have our
loved ones anymore,
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and that's all we had."
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Wild lingonberry.
Have you ever had that?
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Lingonberry.
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It's from England,
somewhere.
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The hardest thing I think
I've ever had to do in my life
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was to tell my parents that
one of their other children,
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their only other child,
was dead,
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and their two grandchildren,
two of their four.
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She quickly told us that
the home was set on fire but.
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Bill escaped.
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We went to the hospital and got
to see Bill for the first time.
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He was badly beaten and he
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tried to apologize to us
for not saving our daughter
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and our grandchildren.
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And we had
to convince him that
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he was in no condition
to be able to save anyone
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and we were grateful...
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that he was alive.
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That he was alive.
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This is the last... sort of
picture that we had together.
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My sister... she was beautiful,
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and she was usually, like,
the lead in the plays at school.
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She was on the homecoming court.
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She was captain of
the Trojanette team.
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So she really was
kind of like a winner person.
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Bill was a committed,
dedicated doctor.
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Would leave at 7:00
in the morning
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and not be back home
until maybe 9:00, 9:30.
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When Jen was diagnosed
with multiple sclerosis,
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Hayley really wanted
to raise money because
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she felt like if she
didn't do anything,
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it was possible that
her mother could die.
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Hayley was able to raise
a little over $50,000
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being a spokesperson for the MS
Society here in Connecticut,
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receiving awards for that,
although you'd never know it.
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I hardly knew about Hayley
helping with MS,
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and that was just because she
was just so quiet about everything,
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and she could have bragged
about everything she did.
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I mean, she was
a straight- "A" student.
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I think about her all the time.
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It's hard not
to think about her.
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You'll find just something
to relate to her about.
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Michaela sometimes
shied away from adults,
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but she saw somebody was
having a difficult time,
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she went to them
and tried to help
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with whatever she could.
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Their lives were
just centered around
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a sense of sociability, justice.
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And if I didn't smile about it,
I'd have to cry.
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Apparently,
these two losers followed
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Jennifer Hawke-Petit
and her 11-year-old daughter
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to the Stop and Shop
on Sunday night.
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They followed them.
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And the first Cheshire police
officer to arrive at the scene
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heard at least one of the girls
screaming from inside the house.
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Those animals,
what they did
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to those poor people
of Cheshire,
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I can't even believe that
they're gonna give them a trial.
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What kind of laws do we
have in this state
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where they don't just
execute those animals?
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Well, Tony, the reaction
by the public certainly
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is for that,
but it is...
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To destroy a family the way
those two did... heinous.
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My verdict... fry them.
Hang them.
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Do whatever you gotta do.
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Make sure they ain't gonna
walk this earth again.
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Can we switch?
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Yup.
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You need more? Yeah.
I'm gonna need a little more.
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I don't think evil like this has
happened since "In Cold Blood."
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I really don't.
Not that I know of.
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And we went from being a quiet,
peaceful town in New England
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to overnight people installing
alarm systems
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and panic buttons
and panic rooms.
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People in town
refer to it as Cheshire's 9/11.
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You know, life was one way
and then it's another.
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God has promised
to be with us through thick
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and through thin.
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All other ground
is indeed sinking sand.
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Well, first of all...
thank you
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for all coming out today to
honor the memory of the girls.
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I'd really like to say
thank you to...
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people from all over
the state of Connecticut
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and all over the country.
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We've been...
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surrounded with love and cards
and flowers and prayer
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from east to west
and north to south.
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I met Jen at Children's Hospital
in Pittsburgh.
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4 Med.
She was a new nurse
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and I was the know-it-all
third-year medical student.
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I was trying to correct Jen on
how to take the blood pressure
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the correct way.
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I had about 3 minutes of
experience at that point.
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But it became clear
pretty quickly that
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she knew more about pediatrics
and how to care for kids
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than I had ever known.
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One of the nice things...
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Billy had
never smelled smoke.
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He had never seen a fire.
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He had said that
the only thing he ever heard
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of my sister was her, like,
pleading nicely
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with these two men... "Can you
please let me get my purse,
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or they'll know that something
is up at the bank."
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He had his legs tied together
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and he hopped up the outside
basement steps
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and he said,
"But sometimes I wish
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"I would've just
gone to the inside
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"because then maybe,
even if I had died in there,
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I could've done something."
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And I said, "No, Billy.
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"You couldn't have
done anything.
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"Attached to a pole with your
hands and feet tied
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"in the basement with about
6 to 83-to 4-inch
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openings in your skull?"
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And we knew that the police
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did not help my brother-in-law
out of the house.
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So the chances that he lived
surviving the blood loss
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are just miraculous in my mind.
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Joining me
on the phone right now is.
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Lieutenant Jay Markella,
the public information officer
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for the Cheshire
Police Department.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Thank you
for having me.
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Very little detail
coming out, though,
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about exactly
what happened.
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Was it when
police showed up
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that they found
the house on fire
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and caught these
suspects?
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Because they were caught
leaving the burning house.
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Yeah. It worked out so
officers arrived on scene
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just as the suspects
were leaving the residence.
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OK. I don't know how far
we should go back, but...
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I'm a very
detective-like person.
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I like to know details,
and until I know the details
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around things, it's hard
to figure things out.
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I would like to know why my
sister and Steven Hayes
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weren't stopped at the bank,
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why she wasn't held at the bank.
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There were some police officers
that, off the record,
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said to people in the town
that they heard the girls
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screaming in the end.
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Did they try to enter?
Did they not try to enter?
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And why weren't there policemen
looking in the windows?
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My sister had no blinds
on her windows.
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I just want the facts.
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And nobody has told us
what really happened.
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And today,
a state prosecutor said
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he'll seek the death penalty
for Komisarjevsky and Hayes.
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Today, the state charged the men
with 6 counts each
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of capital felony murder.
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I was driving back from
the Adirondacks with my wife,
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coming through the Berkshires,
not a care in the world,
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and I get a cell phone call.
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Probably why I turned pale
was because,
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you know, I had
a sense as a lawyer
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where this was headed
right from the beginning.
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You know, capital case,
death penalty case, high profile.
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And in my own head,
I knew right away
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that that case was
coming in to this office
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and that I'd be involved.
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Steven Hayes
and Mr. Komisarjevsky
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were coming into Meriden court
for arraignment.
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Right from
the first time that we met,
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Steven Hayes was
suicidal, depressed,
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just doesn't really understand
how this all happened.
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His record is lengthy.
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He's got all these burglaries.
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Most involve car burglaries,
and in this state, burglary
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includes the break-in of a car.
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And they were all daytime.
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He'd sit and watch.
People would park their cars.
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They'd go walking on a trail.
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Break into their car and take
a laptop or a radio or a phone.
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So you were not dealing
with someone who
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had the kind of classic
history of violence
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and all of a sudden
stepped into the big time
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in terms of
the next level of violence.
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You just didn't have it.
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There was no reason that anyone
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would ever look at that history
and think,
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"Well, this guy's gonna do
something really bad one day."
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The first time that
I found out about my dad
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I was probably about
5 years old.
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He would, like, take me
to the movies
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and he really tried to be
that father figure to me, but
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for whatever reason, he just
couldn't stay out of trouble
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and so when he
went back to jail,
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like, he would write to me
and I would write back
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and that was our way
of communicating.
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"Dear Alicia, hello, honey,
and how are you doing?
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"I haven't heard from you
in a while
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"and neither has Grandma.
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"I want so bad
never to hurt you again
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"and I feel like I am
because I'm still here.
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"Every day, I wake up wondering
if today will be the day
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"that my name is called.
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"The stress is
almost unbearable...
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When I first found out
about the incident,
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I just came back
from the police academy.
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And my mind was just like...
I told him to call me
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if something was wrong.
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I needed to talk to him. I
needed to get answers from him.
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What made him get together
with this one guy
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and do what they did?
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Whose idea was it?
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Was it just one
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or was it both or
did it just happen?
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It's just like,
there's no easy answer,
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and I might not like
the answer I get,
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but it's all...
It's all just "why?"
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The details of 26-year-old
Joshua Komisarjevsky's past
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are more in-depth, and some say
even more disturbing.
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His rap sheet reveals a...
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We were right
in the kitchen here
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and we got a call
from my brother Ben,
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and he said, "I think
Josh has been involved
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in this home invasion."
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And I said to him,
I said, "Home invasion?
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This was a murder.
And Josh was involved?"
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So you see the name
spelled out,
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the Komisarjevsky name,
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and you sit there and you
hold your head in your hands
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and you can't
believe it.
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And you want to cry.
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00:19:43,934 --> 00:19:47,500
This young man's a
monster, and that is not
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the way that we as members
of this family behave.
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We spent all of our time
in Cheshire
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and we lived in a home that
was a home of arts and letters.
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This is my aunt
Vera Komisarjevsky,
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one of the foremost
actresses on the Russian stage,
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00:20:07,934 --> 00:20:09,534
and there's a theater
in St. Petersburg
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that's named after her,
and this is my father
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Theodore Komisarjevsky,
theater director,
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architect,
costume designer.
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When we drove up
to Cheshire,
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my brother's house was
just swarmed with media
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knocking on the door, trying
to get statements from them.
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I think it's hard
for anybody
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to be able to deal with
that kind of a situation,
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but probably
more so for them
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because they were
individuals who basically had
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withdrawn from many
aspects of public life.
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They ultimately posted a
notice on the outside of their door,
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00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,634
but that was it,
and from that time on,
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they've had
nothing to say.
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It was so disappointing,
because I knew
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I was the last person,
therapeutically,
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that met with Josh
and could really
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paint a picture of him
in a different light,
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00:21:12,267 --> 00:21:16,901
and I knew that the media
and most people's opinion of him
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00:21:16,968 --> 00:21:22,434
would go against what I saw
and what I knew.
328
00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:26,734
Josh just wanted to do
better things with his life.
329
00:21:26,801 --> 00:21:30,567
Staying clean,
reconnecting with his family,
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and possibly going forward
with an education
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to become an architect.
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00:21:38,167 --> 00:21:41,467
I saw someone who created
some beautiful designs.
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These sketches.
334
00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:47,467
I mean, this kid was amazing.
335
00:21:47,534 --> 00:21:49,000
This is something
that's unnatural.
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This is pure talent.
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00:21:53,868 --> 00:21:57,334
He had to have practiced this
and worked on this for years.
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But when we talk about the...
Just the pure evil,
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00:22:07,601 --> 00:22:09,267
how am I gonna go in there
and tell them
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that this was a good kid,
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00:22:11,133 --> 00:22:13,601
and that I was
really close to him,
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00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:15,767
after what he did?
343
00:22:19,868 --> 00:22:22,434
Joshua was a little,
skinny, frail kid.
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I saw him behind the bars.
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00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:29,667
He had on his cream-colored
jail uniform.
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00:22:29,734 --> 00:22:33,434
He was slight.
He was polite.
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00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:40,200
He's adopted. He went from regular
school special ed to home school.
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00:22:40,267 --> 00:22:43,634
This whole package
didn't make sense to me.
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00:22:43,701 --> 00:22:47,534
Burglary, burglary, burglary,
burglary, and burglary.
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00:22:47,601 --> 00:22:51,100
Genius that he is, and he is
a genius in some respects,
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00:22:51,167 --> 00:22:54,767
with a photographic memory
and attention to detail that
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00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:59,400
no normal mind
could possibly retain,
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00:22:59,467 --> 00:23:01,767
he told them every burglary
he did.
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00:23:03,567 --> 00:23:06,734
He knew every item he took,
passports,
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00:23:06,801 --> 00:23:08,734
what dumpsters he threw it in.
356
00:23:11,033 --> 00:23:13,734
Joshua could get into
a third floor,
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00:23:13,801 --> 00:23:16,901
steal things, know which
denominations of bills he took
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00:23:16,968 --> 00:23:19,133
a year later or two years later.
359
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,567
Tell you where each wallet was,
360
00:23:20,634 --> 00:23:22,500
what kind of pants
they were taken from,
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00:23:22,567 --> 00:23:24,727
where the pants were... on
the floor or on the bedpost,
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00:23:24,767 --> 00:23:26,367
in the closet.
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00:23:26,434 --> 00:23:28,434
Stay there for hours,
not get caught.
364
00:23:31,267 --> 00:23:34,801
Joshua used relatively
sophisticated equipment for a burglar...
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00:23:34,868 --> 00:23:38,601
Night vision goggles,
latex gloves.
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00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:42,434
After he robbed a house, he
would stay there, on occasion,
367
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:45,000
and listen to
the people breathing,
368
00:23:45,067 --> 00:23:49,000
and go from room to room,
listening to the occupants breathing,
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00:23:49,067 --> 00:23:52,901
for no apparent purpose.
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00:23:52,968 --> 00:23:55,334
That was the frightening
part of it.
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00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:01,567
He'd rob state troopers' houses,
which takes some guts.
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00:24:01,634 --> 00:24:03,934
And I said, "Judge,
he needs to be watched.
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00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,300
"This kid is sick.
374
00:24:06,367 --> 00:24:07,610
"You're never gonna
see him again or he's gonna be
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00:24:07,634 --> 00:24:09,868
"the worst criminal
to pass through these doors,
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00:24:09,934 --> 00:24:12,133
because that's the kind
of a mind he's got."
377
00:24:20,868 --> 00:24:22,334
There's no obvious flag here.
378
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,133
No obvious flag.
The new chairman of the Board
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00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,267
of Pardons and Paroles says
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00:24:27,334 --> 00:24:30,234
that the two suspects in the
brutal Cheshire home invasion
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00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:33,367
and triple murder
were capable of doing
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00:24:33,434 --> 00:24:35,100
what they allegedly did.
383
00:24:35,167 --> 00:24:38,234
There's no evidence that we've
seen yet that they were
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00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:41,434
recently... failed any drug tests.
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00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,901
They were both employed.
They were both living
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00:24:43,968 --> 00:24:47,100
in what appeared to be
stable households.
387
00:24:52,434 --> 00:24:57,067
Komisarjevsky was
arrested for 18 home invasions,
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00:24:57,133 --> 00:25:00,300
and the warning bells in there
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00:25:00,367 --> 00:25:04,033
should have been ringing
very loudly.
390
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,534
Under a 10-year-old law,
prosecutors are supposed to
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00:25:06,601 --> 00:25:10,467
order a transcript of
the sentencing proceeding
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00:25:10,534 --> 00:25:13,868
and send that along
to the parole board.
393
00:25:13,934 --> 00:25:15,934
I used to be a prosecutor.
394
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,968
I helped write this law
I'm talking about.
395
00:25:19,033 --> 00:25:21,000
Because I knew that
it's at the sentencing
396
00:25:21,067 --> 00:25:22,310
that you really find out
everything you need to know
397
00:25:22,334 --> 00:25:25,400
about this offender
and the crime.
398
00:25:25,467 --> 00:25:26,844
The problem is
none of this ever got
399
00:25:26,868 --> 00:25:28,467
to the Department
of Corrections.
400
00:25:28,534 --> 00:25:32,801
None of this ever got
to the parole board.
401
00:25:32,868 --> 00:25:34,877
So from the point of view of
the Department of Corrections,
402
00:25:34,901 --> 00:25:38,300
they got first time ever
incarcerated inmate.
403
00:25:38,367 --> 00:25:43,868
Young, white, bright,
home schooled, remorseful,
404
00:25:43,934 --> 00:25:47,167
never identified as a person
with high mental health needs
405
00:25:47,234 --> 00:25:49,314
because he didn't come across
as that type of person.
406
00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:53,000
He was a real manipulator.
407
00:25:53,067 --> 00:25:55,167
The typical sentence
for burglary
408
00:25:55,234 --> 00:25:59,868
is a maximum of 10 years
in prison for each offense.
409
00:25:59,934 --> 00:26:02,067
Komisarjevsky could have
still been locked up
410
00:26:02,133 --> 00:26:04,534
for two lifetimes.
411
00:26:04,601 --> 00:26:08,334
It was possible.
It didn't happen.
412
00:26:22,968 --> 00:26:26,367
I went to Bank of America
to open a new account
413
00:26:26,434 --> 00:26:31,200
and Mrs. Petit was
at the counter.
414
00:26:31,267 --> 00:26:36,067
All I saw was white blond hair
and a white piece of paper.
415
00:26:36,133 --> 00:26:38,701
The teller handing it
to the manager
416
00:26:38,767 --> 00:26:44,167
and the manager really just
running right behind me to her office.
417
00:26:44,234 --> 00:26:48,234
And she just left.
418
00:26:50,934 --> 00:26:52,968
It's very delicate.
419
00:26:53,033 --> 00:26:56,601
3 lives were taken
that should not have been.
420
00:26:56,667 --> 00:27:00,200
Things happened
in a manner that...
421
00:27:00,267 --> 00:27:02,500
And I'm not saying the police...
422
00:27:02,567 --> 00:27:05,500
Because when you have
a hostage situation,
423
00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:09,234
you wait until...
You have to assess,
424
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:13,100
but she was screaming
for her life.
425
00:27:13,167 --> 00:27:15,834
"He's in the basement."
Conscious.
426
00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:20,367
Bound by the ankles.
Daughter loose upstairs.
427
00:27:20,434 --> 00:27:24,300
Very strong girl.
428
00:27:24,367 --> 00:27:27,634
How did it happen?
429
00:27:27,701 --> 00:27:30,801
Cheshire Police.
No one is talking.
430
00:27:30,868 --> 00:27:33,834
No one.
431
00:27:33,901 --> 00:27:34,944
Lieutenant,
good morning, sir.
432
00:27:34,968 --> 00:27:36,033
Good morning, Dan.
433
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,934
First of all, the Cheshire
Police Department
434
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,000
in their response
to this initial call
435
00:27:42,067 --> 00:27:44,334
was absolutely
outstanding.
436
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,133
They did a stellar job.
437
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,000
The chief and all those
personnel and Cheshire P.D.
438
00:27:49,067 --> 00:27:51,400
deserve a lot of
praise and credit.
439
00:27:55,968 --> 00:27:57,710
People are asking
about a timeline, you know,
440
00:27:57,734 --> 00:27:59,801
when did this occur,
when did that occur?
441
00:27:59,868 --> 00:28:01,367
We don't detail
that information.
442
00:28:01,434 --> 00:28:03,300
That's... that's... that's
not something
443
00:28:03,367 --> 00:28:06,234
that really the public
really needs to be
444
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:07,934
concerned about at this
point in time
445
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,767
and it has more of an impact
on the case itself.
446
00:28:11,834 --> 00:28:15,067
You know, the type of injury,
the scene
447
00:28:15,133 --> 00:28:17,767
that one may try to envision
in their mind,
448
00:28:17,834 --> 00:28:19,000
we're not gonna detail that.
449
00:28:19,067 --> 00:28:23,033
We're not gonna discuss,
you know, how someone died
450
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,901
over and above manner and cause,
451
00:28:24,968 --> 00:28:26,577
which we'll give manner
and cause of death
452
00:28:26,601 --> 00:28:30,434
but we're not gonna get into
great graphic detailed description.
453
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,009
You know, we're not
gonna talk about assaults.
454
00:28:32,033 --> 00:28:34,167
We're not gonna
talk about weapons.
455
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,868
Say what we don't know.
456
00:28:46,934 --> 00:28:48,634
What happened.
457
00:28:48,701 --> 00:28:49,934
And the next...
458
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,968
The ensuing
half-hour.
459
00:28:52,033 --> 00:28:53,300
Yeah.
460
00:28:53,367 --> 00:28:57,834
Between the time
Hayes and Hawke-Petit
461
00:28:57,901 --> 00:29:00,734
returned home?
462
00:29:00,801 --> 00:29:03,934
And the time...
463
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,810
I don't want to say, "The
first Cheshire police."
464
00:29:05,834 --> 00:29:06,767
No.
They were arrested
465
00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:07,968
coming out of
the house?
466
00:29:08,033 --> 00:29:09,467
Time they
were arrested.
467
00:29:09,534 --> 00:29:15,701
Yeah. "That may only
be answered at trial."
468
00:29:17,667 --> 00:29:19,743
If you can answer some of the
questions, go ahead and do that.
469
00:29:19,767 --> 00:29:21,434
Yup.
And then...
470
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:23,376
There's so little information
and there's so many
471
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200
rumors and innuendo circulating.
472
00:29:26,267 --> 00:29:29,868
People are clamoring
to find out what happened.
473
00:29:29,934 --> 00:29:31,834
The "Day" possibly proposed
474
00:29:31,901 --> 00:29:34,067
that William Petit was
somehow involved.
475
00:29:34,133 --> 00:29:35,701
Speculation.
476
00:29:35,767 --> 00:29:38,734
The sooner, I think, we
get all the information,
477
00:29:38,801 --> 00:29:40,601
the sooner folks can
really start healing,
478
00:29:40,667 --> 00:29:41,944
because the unknown is
just as frightening
479
00:29:41,968 --> 00:29:43,300
as what happened, in a way.
480
00:29:43,367 --> 00:29:46,300
You have all these people
saying all this stuff, you know?
481
00:29:46,367 --> 00:29:50,701
Just tell us what happened,
and then we can deal with it.
482
00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:53,467
It's almost like
not knowing is...
483
00:29:53,534 --> 00:29:56,567
Kind of keeps that wound
open, you know?
484
00:29:56,634 --> 00:29:57,777
I don't know.
It's gonna be a while
485
00:29:57,801 --> 00:29:59,868
till we see trial, so...
486
00:30:11,067 --> 00:30:12,777
It's starting to
pan out that the state's claim
487
00:30:12,801 --> 00:30:17,801
is pretty strong,
overwhelmingly strong.
488
00:30:17,868 --> 00:30:23,801
And that what's at stake
at this case is life or death.
489
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,133
You have the gasoline
aspect of it.
490
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,634
You know, the sexual assault.
Horrible crime scene photos.
491
00:30:35,701 --> 00:30:39,834
You have the right defendant.
You have the right perpetrator.
492
00:30:39,901 --> 00:30:43,767
What do we do? Isn't this the
case that death is warranted?
493
00:30:43,834 --> 00:30:48,601
And, um... and I can't
accept that.
494
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,667
Once you allow the death penalty
to go forward,
495
00:30:54,734 --> 00:30:56,534
then the next case comes along,
496
00:30:56,601 --> 00:30:57,767
and it's OK for the next case
497
00:30:57,834 --> 00:30:59,109
because that crime
was horrifying,
498
00:30:59,133 --> 00:31:00,834
and what if that's a mistake?
499
00:31:00,901 --> 00:31:03,200
What if that's an innocent guy?
500
00:31:03,267 --> 00:31:07,500
And this notion of that,
if you execute somebody,
501
00:31:07,567 --> 00:31:08,934
you know, you'll save money.
502
00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:12,067
You know, that's the furthest
thing from the truth.
503
00:31:12,133 --> 00:31:15,534
You know, we have pretty much
a blank check.
504
00:31:15,601 --> 00:31:18,868
So I'm reminding everybody,
listen,
505
00:31:18,934 --> 00:31:21,734
Steven Hayes is ready to plead
guilty to all of these charges
506
00:31:21,801 --> 00:31:24,767
and take a sentence of life
without the possibility...
507
00:31:24,834 --> 00:31:26,567
At least it'll be over now.
508
00:31:26,634 --> 00:31:28,534
You know? There'd
be... the case would be done,
509
00:31:28,601 --> 00:31:30,434
there wouldn't be any appeals,
510
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,234
we'd stop spending
all this money,
511
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:35,667
we would not have
to traumatize everybody
512
00:31:35,734 --> 00:31:37,234
with the facts of this case.
513
00:32:09,734 --> 00:32:12,100
As a United Methodist
minister,
514
00:32:12,167 --> 00:32:16,801
I am a minister of
a church at large
515
00:32:16,868 --> 00:32:21,467
that is opposed to
capital punishment.
516
00:32:21,534 --> 00:32:27,200
That has put me between
a rock and a hard place.
517
00:32:27,267 --> 00:32:34,801
We certainly don't approve
of torture of people, but
518
00:32:34,868 --> 00:32:39,567
we feel that there has
to be some justice in
519
00:32:39,634 --> 00:32:42,000
how people
are dealt with
520
00:32:42,067 --> 00:32:43,834
when they are
so inhumane
521
00:32:43,901 --> 00:32:46,467
in their treatment
of others.
522
00:33:03,634 --> 00:33:06,500
You know,
it just makes me want to cry.
523
00:33:06,567 --> 00:33:08,667
Jennifer, Hayley, and Michaela,
524
00:33:08,734 --> 00:33:12,133
they were kind
and they were sweet.
525
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,410
They looked out
for other people,
526
00:33:13,434 --> 00:33:16,834
they cared about other people,
and spent their time
527
00:33:16,901 --> 00:33:21,167
helping people, so for them
to suffer, you know,
528
00:33:21,234 --> 00:33:27,133
horrific... horrific deaths
seems incredibly unjust.
529
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,400
I mean, it would seem
incredibly unjust for anybody,
530
00:33:29,467 --> 00:33:31,300
but obviously they were
the 3 people
531
00:33:31,367 --> 00:33:33,234
that I knew and loved the best
in the world,
532
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:39,000
and it just... the contra...
533
00:33:39,067 --> 00:33:43,067
Contra... the opposition of the...
534
00:33:43,133 --> 00:33:46,534
Just absolute evil
that attacked us
535
00:33:46,601 --> 00:33:48,667
versus the goodness
that they represented
536
00:33:48,734 --> 00:33:51,000
is... is just worlds apart.
537
00:34:00,767 --> 00:34:02,367
A benign visit
to the grocery store
538
00:34:02,434 --> 00:34:05,734
to get milk, bread,
toilet paper.
539
00:34:05,801 --> 00:34:08,267
Oh, and "People" magazine,
540
00:34:08,334 --> 00:34:09,868
because a family
that my brother killed
541
00:34:09,934 --> 00:34:11,968
is on the front cover.
542
00:34:12,033 --> 00:34:14,500
And my brother's picture
is in it.
543
00:34:16,467 --> 00:34:20,300
He raped a woman.
He choked her to death.
544
00:34:20,367 --> 00:34:23,167
He poured gasoline
on two little girls
545
00:34:23,234 --> 00:34:25,300
and he set them on fire.
546
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:29,234
How does a person do that?
547
00:34:32,667 --> 00:34:37,901
They paroled him in November
and he... he peed funny,
548
00:34:37,968 --> 00:34:39,267
and so they threw him back,
549
00:34:39,334 --> 00:34:42,334
and they paroled him
5 months later.
550
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,167
I... personally,
they're fucking stupid
551
00:34:46,234 --> 00:34:49,334
because they don't get it.
552
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,000
You don't care enough
about the people in your society
553
00:34:53,067 --> 00:34:55,868
to put these type of people
back out on the street.
554
00:34:55,934 --> 00:34:58,868
And I want to say that...
It's really tough for me to say
555
00:34:58,934 --> 00:35:02,767
because one of those people
is my brother.
556
00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:06,100
Steven at birth
or soon thereafter.
557
00:35:06,167 --> 00:35:12,367
Steven around 3.
Steven around 5.
558
00:35:12,434 --> 00:35:17,467
Matthew around one,
Matthew around 3.
559
00:35:17,534 --> 00:35:21,500
Then we get into these.
560
00:35:21,567 --> 00:35:24,267
Steven, Matthew, Brian.
561
00:35:24,334 --> 00:35:26,667
Where I got the blond
hair, I have no idea.
562
00:35:26,734 --> 00:35:27,934
Dad. That's where
you got it.
563
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,567
You, Kathryn,
and... and Steven
564
00:35:31,634 --> 00:35:34,767
all had
the light hair.
565
00:35:34,834 --> 00:35:39,767
Who is Steve?
He's manipulating,
566
00:35:39,834 --> 00:35:43,033
he's deceptive,
567
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,267
and he's my brother.
568
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,200
God, look at that.
569
00:35:50,267 --> 00:35:52,567
And I remember that. See,
look at where his hands are.
570
00:35:52,634 --> 00:35:55,734
I remember that day. He was
pinching me, he was grabbing me.
571
00:35:55,801 --> 00:35:59,000
I mean, I'm about to frickin'
burst out in tears here.
572
00:35:59,067 --> 00:36:00,734
He's just laughing
his little ass off.
573
00:36:00,801 --> 00:36:04,500
Yeah.
Fuckin' noodge.
574
00:36:04,567 --> 00:36:08,434
Deceiving.
Always. Manipulator.
575
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,601
"Mom, it's not me,
it's Matt."
576
00:36:10,667 --> 00:36:14,601
Mom and her 3 boys.
577
00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:17,033
And that's probably
the first Christmas
578
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,901
since 1979
579
00:36:20,968 --> 00:36:26,167
that all 3 of us were in the
same room for Christmas.
580
00:36:26,234 --> 00:36:27,394
Only to go back
to jail again.
581
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,276
You know, this is
the evolution of
582
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:33,834
Steven
in prison life.
583
00:36:33,901 --> 00:36:35,601
Monday, when I
saw it on the news,
584
00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:37,133
all's I heard was
that there was
585
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,634
the home invasion
and whatnot,
586
00:36:38,701 --> 00:36:41,801
and it seemed like
something Steve would do.
587
00:36:41,868 --> 00:36:44,701
But if he'd never...
...smashing of the police cars
588
00:36:44,767 --> 00:36:47,000
and the breaking and
entering and stuff like that.
589
00:36:47,067 --> 00:36:49,167
But the killing, the
raping, and the burning.
590
00:36:49,234 --> 00:36:51,400
That could've
been Josh.
591
00:36:51,467 --> 00:36:53,334
I don't know who was
the mastermind.
592
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,543
Well, obviously,
neither one of them,
593
00:36:54,567 --> 00:36:57,334
because they got caught,
and they did something...
594
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,934
Well, being a mastermind
595
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,567
doesn't mean that
you don't get caught.
596
00:37:00,634 --> 00:37:03,734
Honestly, you know,
it is, it is
597
00:37:03,801 --> 00:37:06,601
the equivalent of
the perfect storm.
598
00:37:06,667 --> 00:37:09,667
If he wasn't smoking
drugs, then, you know,
599
00:37:09,734 --> 00:37:13,067
I say flip the switch
and fuck the trial.
600
00:37:13,133 --> 00:37:14,868
Flip the switch.
601
00:37:14,934 --> 00:37:16,534
I hope it doesn't
even go that far.
602
00:37:16,601 --> 00:37:18,834
As nasty as it sounds,
603
00:37:18,901 --> 00:37:20,834
I hope somebody puts
a bullet in his head.
604
00:37:20,901 --> 00:37:22,801
That's not gonna happen.
Outside the courtroom.
605
00:37:22,868 --> 00:37:24,234
He's in
solitary confinement.
606
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,701
Yeah, well... They
will... they will keep him away
607
00:37:26,767 --> 00:37:28,500
from every
God-living soul.
608
00:37:28,567 --> 00:37:29,777
When he's on his
way into the courtroom,
609
00:37:29,801 --> 00:37:31,200
he has to
get out somewhere.
610
00:37:31,267 --> 00:37:32,734
They're not gonna
risk his life,
611
00:37:32,801 --> 00:37:35,801
because the state
wants to kill him.
612
00:37:35,868 --> 00:37:37,343
They're not gonna
give that privilege up
613
00:37:37,367 --> 00:37:39,133
to anybody else.
614
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,400
You know, I think that it
should be the death penalty.
615
00:38:11,868 --> 00:38:14,834
Both my daughters,
Clarice and Caroline,
616
00:38:14,901 --> 00:38:17,167
had a relationship with Joshua,
617
00:38:17,234 --> 00:38:21,667
and I believe that
he picked my daughters out
618
00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:26,767
due to the fact that they looked
like they're very young.
619
00:38:26,834 --> 00:38:29,701
When Josh wanted
to marry Caroline,
620
00:38:29,767 --> 00:38:32,334
we had a phone conversation.
621
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,267
I don't know if Josh was asking
for my blessing,
622
00:38:36,334 --> 00:38:38,434
but in that phone conversation,
I said, "Joshua,
623
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,167
"I have two major concerns.
624
00:38:41,234 --> 00:38:44,000
One is I think you're
a career criminal."
625
00:38:44,067 --> 00:38:45,934
And then the second thing
I shared with him
626
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000
is that's he's a pedophile.
627
00:38:48,067 --> 00:38:50,934
And in both of those, he...
He never really
628
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,667
changed his voice.
629
00:38:53,734 --> 00:38:58,167
All I remember him saying is,
"I'm sorry you feel that way."
630
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,934
"Dear Caroline,
good evening, sweetheart.
631
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,033
"When I wake every morning, the
sun is just starting to rise.
632
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,033
"Its light dances
across your picture,
633
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:13,367
"radiating your beautiful eyes
and pretty smile.
634
00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:15,834
"It's the best part of the day.
635
00:39:15,901 --> 00:39:19,901
"A calming mix of hope, beauty,
and tranquility.
636
00:39:19,968 --> 00:39:23,133
"Take care, Caroline. Smile.
Someone's thinking of you.
637
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,701
"Strength and honor,
sincerely, Joshua.
638
00:39:25,767 --> 00:39:29,701
Miss you."
639
00:39:29,767 --> 00:39:33,234
We called Joshua
the hopeless romantic.
640
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:38,200
That was the biggest side
I loved about him,
641
00:39:38,267 --> 00:39:42,033
because how many guys are
out there that are romantic?
642
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:43,567
You know?
Not very many,
643
00:39:43,634 --> 00:39:46,334
and he was super romantic,
and that's the way I am.
644
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,467
I'm super romantic.
645
00:39:50,734 --> 00:39:52,400
When I went to Cheshire,
646
00:39:52,467 --> 00:39:53,877
we would go around
the neighborhoods,
647
00:39:53,901 --> 00:39:56,033
the rich neighborhoods,
648
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:57,500
and he'd look at
all these houses
649
00:39:57,567 --> 00:39:59,667
and be like, "Man, you know,
I want to live in
650
00:39:59,734 --> 00:40:04,500
something that nice
and that gorgeous."
651
00:40:04,567 --> 00:40:05,901
He wanted to have a family.
652
00:40:05,968 --> 00:40:08,400
He was like, "I want a family.
You know, a good family.
653
00:40:08,467 --> 00:40:10,601
I don't want something
that's broken."
654
00:40:15,901 --> 00:40:19,500
"If I were home,
I would have sent flowers
655
00:40:19,567 --> 00:40:21,200
"and some sort of
creative surprise
656
00:40:21,267 --> 00:40:23,667
"with this little note
of admiration.
657
00:40:23,734 --> 00:40:27,033
"Actually, if I were home,
I would have shown up in person
658
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,334
and, well, who knows."
659
00:40:31,801 --> 00:40:36,133
Me and Joshua did have a very
sexually active relationship
660
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,734
and he did like to tie me up
661
00:40:38,801 --> 00:40:41,801
and, of course, you know,
I was the submissive one,
662
00:40:41,868 --> 00:40:43,834
and sometimes I was
the dominant one.
663
00:40:43,901 --> 00:40:46,033
But most of the time,
I was submissive.
664
00:40:48,767 --> 00:40:51,701
Joshua always asked me,
you know, "Is this too tight?"
665
00:40:51,767 --> 00:40:55,367
"Are you OK?"
Joshua always was concerned.
666
00:40:58,334 --> 00:40:59,767
Joshua was definitely
a soul mate
667
00:40:59,834 --> 00:41:03,667
and that's what
killed me the most.
668
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:22,300
I saw Steve and Josh together
every day, every day.
669
00:41:22,367 --> 00:41:25,267
They were always talking.
Because Steve was...
670
00:41:25,334 --> 00:41:28,267
Steve was very, very versed
in recovery.
671
00:41:28,334 --> 00:41:32,534
Steve knew the N.A. book
back and front.
672
00:41:32,601 --> 00:41:34,734
His nickname was "Mr. N.A."
673
00:41:34,801 --> 00:41:37,367
And I think Josh kind of
absorbed a lot of it
674
00:41:37,434 --> 00:41:40,567
and was able to get that
knowledge from Steve.
675
00:41:44,534 --> 00:41:47,500
"For this addict,
drugs are not my main problem.
676
00:41:47,567 --> 00:41:49,500
"I am my main problem...
My self-destructive
677
00:41:49,567 --> 00:41:51,267
"attitude and behavior.
678
00:41:51,334 --> 00:41:54,500
"What I like about getting high
is to escape my feelings.
679
00:41:54,567 --> 00:41:55,968
"I've self-medicated so much
680
00:41:56,033 --> 00:41:58,968
I don't know how
to feel anymore."
681
00:41:59,033 --> 00:42:03,400
This is his own words.
He's writing this.
682
00:42:03,467 --> 00:42:05,834
"Unresolved anger controls me.
683
00:42:05,901 --> 00:42:07,500
"It haunts me day and night,
684
00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:10,167
"sometimes to the point
of obsession,
685
00:42:10,234 --> 00:42:13,968
even scary fantasy."
686
00:42:14,033 --> 00:42:15,734
One of the comments
that Steven
687
00:42:15,801 --> 00:42:17,734
had shared with me was
688
00:42:17,801 --> 00:42:19,234
he didn't know
what was gonna happen
689
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:20,834
but something big had to happen
690
00:42:20,901 --> 00:42:23,601
because he had to get away
from my mother's house.
691
00:42:27,334 --> 00:42:31,000
May to July,
in a one-bedroom apartment,
692
00:42:31,067 --> 00:42:34,701
my mother in the bedroom,
Steven on the couch, me on the floor.
693
00:42:34,767 --> 00:42:38,500
And I didn't ever
want to be home.
694
00:42:38,567 --> 00:42:41,534
I just didn't,
so I'd stay out until
695
00:42:41,601 --> 00:42:44,067
I had to come home
to go to sleep,
696
00:42:44,133 --> 00:42:47,567
because I couldn't stand to be
in the same room with him.
697
00:42:47,634 --> 00:42:51,934
And then I'd be lying, making
believe I'm sleeping in the morning
698
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,400
while he's having coffee
with my mom just
699
00:42:54,467 --> 00:42:56,968
running all of his bullshit
out of his mouth
700
00:42:57,033 --> 00:42:58,701
about how he's gonna
take care of her
701
00:42:58,767 --> 00:43:01,534
and he's gonna be making
all this money.
702
00:43:01,601 --> 00:43:04,300
He's going to reshift
and reshape my mother's life
703
00:43:04,367 --> 00:43:06,667
and get them a bigger place,
and, you know,
704
00:43:06,734 --> 00:43:11,067
it's gonna be Steven
taking care of Mom and...
705
00:43:11,133 --> 00:43:13,567
On a scale from here to here,
706
00:43:13,634 --> 00:43:14,767
there was that much of me
707
00:43:14,834 --> 00:43:17,300
that actually believed
it was gonna happen.
708
00:43:17,367 --> 00:43:20,667
We got into a very physical
confrontation one night
709
00:43:20,734 --> 00:43:25,200
and he broke 3 of my ribs
and gave me a black eye.
710
00:43:25,267 --> 00:43:29,767
And, you know, I probably should
have had him arrested then
711
00:43:29,834 --> 00:43:32,100
because that would have been
violation of probation.
712
00:43:32,167 --> 00:43:35,167
Then he would've went to jail and
none of this would've ever happened.
713
00:43:37,767 --> 00:43:39,834
Things were
already falling apart.
714
00:43:39,901 --> 00:43:42,601
The lies that Steven had been
telling for the last two months
715
00:43:42,667 --> 00:43:44,234
were coming back.
716
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,234
My mother was
finding out about it.
717
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:48,934
She was getting ready
to boot him out.
718
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,334
"I don't care what
you have to do.
719
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,334
"You need a halfway house.
I don't care.
720
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,801
Get out of my house."
721
00:43:55,868 --> 00:43:58,400
So that was Friday.
722
00:43:58,467 --> 00:44:00,147
I don't know the specifics
of what happened
723
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,834
Saturday and/or Sunday,
but, you know,
724
00:44:02,901 --> 00:44:08,067
things were definitely
ramping up to something.
725
00:44:10,968 --> 00:44:14,334
A day or two before
the crime occurs,
726
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:20,634
Steven saw that his life was
once again going downhill,
727
00:44:20,701 --> 00:44:24,868
and he says that he locks
himself in a hotel room
728
00:44:24,934 --> 00:44:28,200
with crack cocaine and heroin
729
00:44:28,267 --> 00:44:31,901
and goes on this drug binge
730
00:44:31,968 --> 00:44:35,200
with a desire and hope
that he would kill himself.
731
00:44:37,968 --> 00:44:41,500
He leaves the hotel room
feeling like he's failed
732
00:44:41,567 --> 00:44:45,834
at this suicide attempt,
leaving him, in his view,
733
00:44:45,901 --> 00:44:47,968
more desperate.
734
00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:53,801
He shows up at an A.A. meeting
in Hartford and there's Joshua.
735
00:44:53,868 --> 00:44:56,434
And Joshua started
talking to him about
736
00:44:56,500 --> 00:45:01,167
ways to make some real money.
737
00:45:01,234 --> 00:45:06,901
The last contact I had with him
before the crime, I think, was
738
00:45:06,968 --> 00:45:09,000
Sunday night?
739
00:45:09,067 --> 00:45:11,968
We said our usual good nights
and "I love you" and then
740
00:45:12,033 --> 00:45:15,834
the next morning, I tried
to get a hold of Joshua.
741
00:45:15,901 --> 00:45:17,976
Me and my mom were walking
to the car and I looked at my mom.
742
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,267
I go, "Mom, something's wrong."
743
00:45:20,334 --> 00:45:22,043
I was like, "Joshua's
not answering his phone.
744
00:45:22,067 --> 00:45:23,534
I think something happened."
745
00:45:23,601 --> 00:45:26,300
I was like, "Something
definitely is wrong."
746
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:34,234
Ms. Komisarjevsky
did call me on...
747
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:38,567
I'm pretty sure it was Monday,
and she told me that
748
00:45:38,634 --> 00:45:41,067
Joshua went out late that night
749
00:45:41,133 --> 00:45:45,500
and he was wearing
dark clothing, like his hoodie.
750
00:45:45,567 --> 00:45:49,767
And Ms. Komisarjevsky told me
that he only does that
751
00:45:49,834 --> 00:45:54,400
when he's going out
to rob houses.
752
00:46:45,968 --> 00:46:51,601
The lights that the candles make
I think can help to radiate
753
00:46:51,667 --> 00:46:55,100
the... the love that's needed.
754
00:46:58,634 --> 00:46:59,844
Well, they're gonna
ring the bells
755
00:46:59,868 --> 00:47:01,834
at the churches for 3 minutes,
756
00:47:01,901 --> 00:47:04,133
one minute for each of
the Petit women.
757
00:47:08,901 --> 00:47:10,634
You'll remember
that last summer,
758
00:47:10,701 --> 00:47:13,701
at what police describe
as a random home invasion
759
00:47:13,767 --> 00:47:16,701
and, of course, the darkness
that happened on that day
760
00:47:16,767 --> 00:47:18,934
will never be forgotten,
but perhaps
761
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,901
for the first time tonight,
there is a glimmer of hope
762
00:47:21,968 --> 00:47:25,300
that perhaps some good
could come from this evil.
763
00:47:25,367 --> 00:47:28,200
Now, the money raised here
will stay in Connecticut.
764
00:47:28,267 --> 00:47:29,743
It will go to the foundation
that was founded
765
00:47:29,767 --> 00:47:32,634
by Dr. Petit in the names
of his daughters...
766
00:47:32,701 --> 00:47:36,100
Michaela Miracle
and Hayley's Hope... and...
767
00:47:56,767 --> 00:47:58,367
- Good morning, everyone.
- Good morning.
768
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,167
This is a hearing in...
A continued hearing
769
00:48:00,234 --> 00:48:01,734
in a matter of
a complaint brought by
770
00:48:01,801 --> 00:48:03,701
Colin Poitras
and the "Hartford Courant"
771
00:48:03,767 --> 00:48:06,100
against chief of fire
department, town of Cheshire...
772
00:48:06,167 --> 00:48:07,968
We applied
through the town of Cheshire
773
00:48:08,033 --> 00:48:11,200
for more material right after
the crime took place.
774
00:48:11,267 --> 00:48:13,434
We finally got new
information yesterday.
775
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:16,367
A complete transcript from
the time of the initial call
776
00:48:16,434 --> 00:48:19,334
from the bank official regarding
Mrs. Petit being at the bank
777
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,834
saying she might be held hostage
778
00:48:20,901 --> 00:48:23,133
to the time the two suspects
were arrested
779
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,133
outside the Petit household.
780
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,834
And our review of this document,
which is heavily edited
781
00:48:27,901 --> 00:48:31,868
to protect potential witnesses,
the town has told us,
782
00:48:31,934 --> 00:48:34,767
raises the possibility
that officers on alert
783
00:48:34,834 --> 00:48:36,534
could have maybe
stopped this car
784
00:48:36,601 --> 00:48:37,841
with the suspect and Mrs. Petit
785
00:48:37,868 --> 00:48:40,434
as they were coming home
from the bank,
786
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,143
perhaps could've beat them
back to the house,
787
00:48:42,167 --> 00:48:45,167
could've separated
the two suspects at that time
788
00:48:45,234 --> 00:48:49,467
and maybe things would've
had a different outcome.
789
00:48:49,534 --> 00:48:51,109
And what's still out there
is no one knows
790
00:48:51,133 --> 00:48:53,567
what the initial 911 call said,
791
00:48:53,634 --> 00:48:56,000
what the bank official said
to police when she called.
792
00:48:59,567 --> 00:49:01,033
What were they told?
Was it clear?
793
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:02,767
Did they know they have
a hostage crisis?
794
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,601
There's always more information
that is yearned for,
795
00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:15,200
either in a journalistic sense,
a due diligence reporting sense,
796
00:49:15,267 --> 00:49:17,934
and sadly, in a salacious sense.
797
00:49:19,634 --> 00:49:22,067
So it is hard to say, "No,
798
00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:24,634
I don't have anything
to tell you right now,"
799
00:49:24,701 --> 00:49:27,434
over and over again.
800
00:49:35,367 --> 00:49:37,868
Upon arrival
at the victims' residence,
801
00:49:37,934 --> 00:49:40,901
the first officer observed
the private residence
802
00:49:40,968 --> 00:49:43,100
fully engulfed in flame.
803
00:49:43,167 --> 00:49:44,434
Yeah, it worked out
804
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,434
so officers arrived on scene
805
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:49,100
just as the suspects
were leaving the residence.
806
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,400
I get really tired of
the stories that say,
807
00:49:54,467 --> 00:49:56,267
"Oh, by the time
the police showed up,
808
00:49:56,334 --> 00:49:57,834
the house was
already in flames,"
809
00:49:57,901 --> 00:50:00,167
and that's not true at all.
810
00:50:03,133 --> 00:50:04,734
When Billy came
out of the house,
811
00:50:04,801 --> 00:50:08,334
he was pretty sure that he saw
men in the woods hiding behind trees,
812
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,267
and we think those were
all the police officers,
813
00:50:12,334 --> 00:50:14,901
and he was calling out
to a neighbor
814
00:50:14,968 --> 00:50:20,801
while hopping across the yard,
tied and badly beaten.
815
00:50:20,868 --> 00:50:23,567
That should have raised
the police eyebrows to say,
816
00:50:23,634 --> 00:50:25,367
"What are they doing in there?
817
00:50:25,434 --> 00:50:29,067
We need to get in there
and find out."
818
00:50:29,133 --> 00:50:32,234
That's why I wrote
letters to the police.
819
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:36,000
I felt like, and I expressed
in my letter that...
820
00:50:36,067 --> 00:50:40,334
That their... their goal
was to catch the men,
821
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,300
whoever were guilty, and above
and beyond the saving of lives,
822
00:50:45,367 --> 00:50:49,667
and I felt their priorities
were very much askew.
823
00:50:49,734 --> 00:50:51,267
Why didn't they just
have a bullhorn
824
00:50:51,334 --> 00:50:54,167
or something saying,
you know,
825
00:50:54,234 --> 00:50:56,200
"This house is surrounded.
826
00:50:56,267 --> 00:51:00,601
"You're not going to get
out of this alive,
827
00:51:00,667 --> 00:51:02,634
so come on out"?
828
00:51:02,701 --> 00:51:05,734
Why didn't you just
go to the door
829
00:51:05,801 --> 00:51:07,500
and break a window
or something
830
00:51:07,567 --> 00:51:09,701
and go into
that house?
831
00:51:09,767 --> 00:51:14,567
You know, my... my whole
inner person said,
832
00:51:14,634 --> 00:51:16,300
"These were
precious people.
833
00:51:16,367 --> 00:51:19,267
Why didn't you
enter the house?"
834
00:51:22,234 --> 00:51:24,701
We've asked
a lot of questions,
835
00:51:24,767 --> 00:51:26,968
written a lot of letters.
836
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:33,000
But they have not sat with me
837
00:51:33,067 --> 00:51:35,167
and they have not
sat with my parents
838
00:51:35,234 --> 00:51:38,200
to tell us what happened
and what unfolded
839
00:51:38,267 --> 00:51:41,634
and why and how.
840
00:51:41,701 --> 00:51:46,901
I believe that truly they think
they did something wrong.
841
00:51:46,968 --> 00:51:49,667
I've heard all kinds of things...
That it was a small town
842
00:51:49,734 --> 00:51:54,901
and they hadn't had
the experience in the past.
843
00:51:54,968 --> 00:51:58,267
I think they were afraid.
844
00:51:58,334 --> 00:52:01,133
I just can't say
enough good things
845
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,234
about how proud I am of
the extraordinary effort
846
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,400
of our police officers
and our firefighters.
847
00:52:07,467 --> 00:52:08,834
They're extremely well trained,
848
00:52:08,901 --> 00:52:10,410
they're a great group
of professionals,
849
00:52:10,434 --> 00:52:14,801
and I think today exemplified
the finest of what
850
00:52:14,868 --> 00:52:17,400
the police and fire are
all about in this community.
851
00:52:17,467 --> 00:52:18,968
And I can't thank them
enough because
852
00:52:19,033 --> 00:52:23,100
without their great work, this
could've been a far worse tragedy.
853
00:52:23,167 --> 00:52:25,133
We were very, very fortunate...
854
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,434
I was just literally shocked
when I heard him say that
855
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:32,667
and that there were no further
casualties or something,
856
00:52:32,734 --> 00:52:36,200
and I thought, you know,
how bad does it have to be?
857
00:52:36,267 --> 00:52:38,801
I mean, I thought it was awful,
858
00:52:38,868 --> 00:52:40,133
and he was commending them
859
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,067
on what a great job
they had done
860
00:52:42,133 --> 00:52:48,434
and I... I was sorry, but I didn't
feel they did a great job.
861
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:52,467
I mean, if they had done a great
job, nobody would have died.
862
00:53:01,667 --> 00:53:03,100
As you look
through this dispatch,
863
00:53:03,167 --> 00:53:05,067
you can't help but
walk away thinking,
864
00:53:05,133 --> 00:53:08,467
you know, that there's another
tragedy within the tragedy
865
00:53:08,534 --> 00:53:11,567
that occurred to
the Petit family here.
866
00:53:11,634 --> 00:53:17,400
9:21:28... initial call comes in
to the police department 911.
867
00:53:17,467 --> 00:53:19,701
And this is the call
that was actually from
868
00:53:19,767 --> 00:53:23,500
the bank manager.
869
00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:25,634
I will watch and see what
kind of car she gets in.
870
00:53:25,701 --> 00:53:29,100
I'm in my office with the
door... with the lights off.
871
00:53:29,167 --> 00:53:31,167
My teller said that
she saw the driver.
872
00:53:31,234 --> 00:53:36,334
He had a black hood over... a
hoodie and a baseball cap on.
873
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,334
I'm gonna
keep you on hold for
874
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,334
another couple minutes,
all right?
875
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,834
OK.
876
00:53:44,868 --> 00:53:48,200
Some police officers
were actually at the scene
877
00:53:48,267 --> 00:53:51,400
within seconds or minutes
of when
878
00:53:51,467 --> 00:53:57,200
Steven Hayes and Jennifer Petit
get back to the house.
879
00:53:57,267 --> 00:54:01,500
They had the phone number
of the house early on.
880
00:54:01,567 --> 00:54:06,901
Nobody made a call.
Nobody knocked on the door.
881
00:54:06,968 --> 00:54:13,868
9:56. Two suspects
are moving into Chrysler.
882
00:54:13,934 --> 00:54:20,000
9:57. There is a fire
also at the scene.
883
00:54:20,067 --> 00:54:23,801
Initial call comes in at 9:21.
884
00:54:23,868 --> 00:54:28,367
This is over
a half an hour later.
885
00:54:28,434 --> 00:54:31,400
They were actually at the scene
for 30 minutes.
886
00:54:38,834 --> 00:54:42,467
The strangulation of
Jennifer Petit occurred.
887
00:54:42,534 --> 00:54:46,400
The rape of Jennifer
Petit occurred.
888
00:54:46,467 --> 00:54:51,767
The pouring of gasoline occurred
throughout the house
889
00:54:51,834 --> 00:54:56,500
and the actual setting on fire
of the house.
890
00:54:56,567 --> 00:54:59,534
All of this is taking place
891
00:54:59,601 --> 00:55:02,901
while the police are
watching the house
892
00:55:02,968 --> 00:55:04,567
setting up their perimeter.
893
00:55:04,634 --> 00:55:06,267
It's really outrageous.
894
00:55:26,133 --> 00:55:27,976
Filling in for Ed Flynn
today on "Talk of the Town."
895
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,234
We're gonna take
a quick break,
896
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:31,133
and when we come back
we're going to be joined
897
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,534
by Dr. William Petit from
the Petit Family Foundation,
898
00:55:33,601 --> 00:55:34,667
so stay with us.
899
00:55:34,734 --> 00:55:36,767
Yeah. 1984.
900
00:55:36,834 --> 00:55:39,801
Our first guest.
901
00:55:39,868 --> 00:55:42,100
There's no audio
for me...
902
00:55:42,167 --> 00:55:44,067
We go directly
to you. On 9...
903
00:55:44,133 --> 00:55:45,067
OK.
904
00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:46,601
8, 7...
905
00:55:46,667 --> 00:55:48,334
Dr. Petit
is here, and
906
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,901
as many of you recall, you
know, it wasn't that long ago
907
00:55:50,968 --> 00:55:52,534
that, you know,
you suffered a tragedy,
908
00:55:52,601 --> 00:55:54,121
losing your wife
and your two daughters
909
00:55:54,167 --> 00:55:55,634
in a home invasion.
910
00:55:55,701 --> 00:55:57,243
Talk a little bit,
if you will, Dr. Petit,
911
00:55:57,267 --> 00:55:58,834
about the mission,
about the mission
912
00:55:58,901 --> 00:56:00,500
of the Petit
Family Foundation.
913
00:56:00,567 --> 00:56:01,667
It's essentially
to help out
914
00:56:01,734 --> 00:56:04,334
people with
chronic illnesses,
915
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,868
which was
a nod to Hayley,
916
00:56:06,934 --> 00:56:09,067
who was accepted
at Dartmouth and wanted
917
00:56:09,133 --> 00:56:11,968
to major in biology
and considered
918
00:56:12,033 --> 00:56:14,367
medicine or
other careers.
919
00:56:14,434 --> 00:56:18,000
And to help people affected
by violence in their life,
920
00:56:18,067 --> 00:56:23,300
which there's obviously
far too much of,
921
00:56:23,367 --> 00:56:26,868
as evidenced by
the shootings in Oakland
922
00:56:26,934 --> 00:56:28,801
and the shootings
in Pittsburgh.
923
00:56:28,868 --> 00:56:30,743
There are a few things
that make me mad as hell,
924
00:56:30,767 --> 00:56:33,634
and one is when I heard
that the legislature
925
00:56:33,701 --> 00:56:36,934
was even talking about,
even considering
926
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,601
abolishing the death penalty
here in Connecticut.
927
00:56:39,667 --> 00:56:41,067
And I'm beginning to wonder,
928
00:56:41,133 --> 00:56:43,868
do I have anything in common
with this state anymore?
929
00:56:43,934 --> 00:56:45,200
I mean, what the heck?
930
00:56:45,267 --> 00:56:46,710
One of the studies
that has been done,
931
00:56:46,734 --> 00:56:48,254
and it does get
brought up by people...
932
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:49,434
Study, study, study.
933
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:51,300
Well, this study
actually has some
934
00:56:51,367 --> 00:56:52,901
very good statistics,
which are
935
00:56:52,968 --> 00:56:56,067
most violent criminals who
commit the most heinous of crimes
936
00:56:56,133 --> 00:56:58,267
don't see the death
penalty as a deterrent
937
00:56:58,334 --> 00:57:00,667
because their
sociopathic activities
938
00:57:00,734 --> 00:57:02,834
don't take into
account consequences.
939
00:57:02,901 --> 00:57:05,000
How do you feel
about that, Dr. Petit?
940
00:57:05,067 --> 00:57:07,067
Death penalty's
clearly a deterrent, because
941
00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:08,677
the person that has
committed the violent crime
942
00:57:08,701 --> 00:57:09,861
can no longer
commit it again,
943
00:57:09,901 --> 00:57:12,234
so that person is
removed from society,
944
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:13,934
and I think they've
forfeited their right
945
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,667
to live in a civilized
society, and...
946
00:57:17,734 --> 00:57:20,968
The taking of a life,
the opponents like to say
947
00:57:21,033 --> 00:57:23,834
it's murder by
the government, but
948
00:57:23,901 --> 00:57:28,567
that's a semantic
issue, because
949
00:57:28,634 --> 00:57:30,534
murder is
the unlawful taking.
950
00:57:30,601 --> 00:57:32,934
We have laws set down
for certain reasons,
951
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,033
and certainly the
defense attorneys spend
952
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:37,033
lots of time
and lots of our money
953
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:39,100
using the law
to their benefit,
954
00:57:39,167 --> 00:57:41,601
and the law says that
for certain crimes,
955
00:57:41,667 --> 00:57:44,534
there's an ultimate
penalty, and society's
956
00:57:44,601 --> 00:57:47,267
believed in that for
thousands of years.
957
00:57:47,334 --> 00:57:48,810
And that fight will
continue, and I know
958
00:57:48,834 --> 00:57:51,834
that is one of the things
you're gonna fight passionately,
959
00:57:51,901 --> 00:57:54,200
to make sure that
those laws stay in place,
960
00:57:54,267 --> 00:57:58,667
and no better spokesman
than you, Dr. Petit,
961
00:57:58,734 --> 00:58:01,701
for why these laws
are here.
962
00:58:01,767 --> 00:58:03,143
State lawmakers
are considering a bill
963
00:58:03,167 --> 00:58:05,133
that would change
the death penalty law,
964
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,067
and Dr. William Petit
gave his opinion
965
00:58:07,133 --> 00:58:09,400
on the same day of a hearing
for one of the men...
966
00:58:09,467 --> 00:58:10,601
Death penalty opponents
967
00:58:10,667 --> 00:58:12,701
speak of the inviolable
sanctity of life.
968
00:58:12,767 --> 00:58:16,634
They love slogans such as "Do
not kill in our name" and the like.
969
00:58:16,701 --> 00:58:18,500
Thus, I assume that
death penalty opponents
970
00:58:18,567 --> 00:58:21,701
value the lives of murderers
more than their victims.
971
00:58:21,767 --> 00:58:24,100
Specifically, to me,
as a victim...
972
00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:26,167
You know, if you're
for the death penalty,
973
00:58:26,234 --> 00:58:28,868
this is the poster child,
no question about it.
974
00:58:28,934 --> 00:58:30,643
If you're against the death
penalty, like I am,
975
00:58:30,667 --> 00:58:33,701
this guy is the poster child
for the death penalty.
976
00:58:33,767 --> 00:58:36,267
I mean, him and Saddam
Hussein, right?
977
00:58:36,334 --> 00:58:39,334
Kind of hard to argue the case.
978
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,634
But it's not a philosophical
debate anymore.
979
00:58:44,701 --> 00:58:47,601
This is reality.
980
00:58:47,667 --> 00:58:50,434
And the ordeal you have
to go through,
981
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:53,968
once it's a death penalty case,
is considerable.
982
00:58:57,234 --> 00:59:00,467
It's a guaranteed
multiple-years ordeal
983
00:59:00,534 --> 00:59:04,500
in terms of just the trial,
and after the conviction,
984
00:59:04,567 --> 00:59:08,033
scores of years of appeals
and frustration.
985
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,801
And all this time, the focus
is on the murderers.
986
00:59:10,868 --> 00:59:13,968
They become mini-celebrities.
987
00:59:14,033 --> 00:59:17,868
You have to go into gruesome
detail about what happened,
988
00:59:17,934 --> 00:59:21,400
because the prosecutors
must prove that
989
00:59:21,467 --> 00:59:24,267
the aggravating factors
outweigh the mitigating factors,
990
00:59:24,334 --> 00:59:27,267
and the aggravating factor
is unusually cruel and heinous.
991
00:59:27,334 --> 00:59:28,810
In other words,
you have to prove that
992
00:59:28,834 --> 00:59:30,901
compared to other
triple murders,
993
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,434
this one is much worse.
994
00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:37,100
Once this gets under way, people
are not gonna like what they see,
995
00:59:37,133 --> 00:59:41,767
and it's just starting
to get under way now.
996
00:59:41,834 --> 00:59:44,400
And so I guess I'd say
to Dr. Petit, you know,
997
00:59:44,467 --> 00:59:47,667
I don't know who's
giving you advice, but
998
00:59:47,734 --> 00:59:49,901
I think if anyone's
implying to you that
999
00:59:49,968 --> 00:59:51,476
there's a realistic hope
that these guys
1000
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:55,434
would ever actually be executed,
I think they're misleading you.
1001
00:59:57,434 --> 01:00:01,300
The one and only time we had
an execution here, in my lifetime,
1002
01:00:01,367 --> 01:00:03,767
in Connecticut, was this guy
Michael Ross,
1003
01:00:03,834 --> 01:00:07,300
and that was after 25 years of
drama to get to that point,
1004
01:00:07,367 --> 01:00:10,267
and the guy asked
to be executed.
1005
01:00:10,334 --> 01:00:11,834
The reality is that you'll feel
1006
01:00:11,901 --> 01:00:14,534
like you're making progress
every day,
1007
01:00:14,601 --> 01:00:16,667
but it's gonna go on forever.
1008
01:00:47,601 --> 01:00:52,100
It'll probably be two
years before they even start
1009
01:00:52,167 --> 01:00:54,467
selecting of the jury.
1010
01:00:59,601 --> 01:01:01,567
I'm getting pretty old.
1011
01:01:01,634 --> 01:01:05,634
I hope I live long enough
so that I can attend the trial.
1012
01:01:07,534 --> 01:01:09,868
I want to see
justice done.
1013
01:01:13,601 --> 01:01:15,400
"Attention
Detective Fran Budwitz
1014
01:01:15,467 --> 01:01:17,767
"of the Connecticut
State Police.
1015
01:01:17,834 --> 01:01:20,434
"I give this statement
to aid and assist those
1016
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:23,000
"who now have the burden
and huge responsibility
1017
01:01:23,067 --> 01:01:25,868
"of seeking justice.
1018
01:01:25,934 --> 01:01:29,434
"My earliest memories of Steve
go back to age 4 or 5.
1019
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:33,667
"Steve presented himself as
the apple of everyone's eye.
1020
01:01:33,734 --> 01:01:37,534
"What many people did not see
was the brother I knew.
1021
01:01:37,601 --> 01:01:41,801
"Being young and naive, I arrived
home from school in seventh grade.
1022
01:01:41,868 --> 01:01:43,667
"Steven and his friends
were using the oven
1023
01:01:43,734 --> 01:01:45,834
"to dry out some marijuana.
1024
01:01:45,901 --> 01:01:47,834
"He turned on the burner
on the stove.
1025
01:01:47,901 --> 01:01:50,834
"He told me it was really cool
and put my hand over it.
1026
01:01:50,901 --> 01:01:53,701
It's cool.
You won't get hurt.
1027
01:01:53,767 --> 01:01:55,968
"As soon as I put
my hand over the burner,
1028
01:01:56,033 --> 01:01:58,667
"he pushed my hand
onto the hot burner
1029
01:01:58,734 --> 01:02:02,267
"and I had ring scars
that lasted for months.
1030
01:02:02,334 --> 01:02:04,701
"To say there hasn't
been a history of violence,
1031
01:02:04,767 --> 01:02:06,934
"well, this should... this should
serve to say
1032
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,767
"the predisposition was there.
1033
01:02:09,834 --> 01:02:12,801
"It was always there.
1034
01:02:12,868 --> 01:02:15,500
"Within two months of moving,
Steve took my mother's car
1035
01:02:15,567 --> 01:02:17,834
"in the middle of the night.
1036
01:02:17,901 --> 01:02:20,033
"Upon calling the police,
the relationship
1037
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:24,767
"with my mom, Steven, and the
law enforcement officials began.
1038
01:02:24,834 --> 01:02:27,167
"Steven is not sick.
1039
01:02:27,234 --> 01:02:31,100
"Steven is cunning
and calculating.
1040
01:02:31,167 --> 01:02:34,300
"Please exercise discretion.
1041
01:02:34,367 --> 01:02:35,901
"I will assist how I can.
1042
01:02:35,968 --> 01:02:38,133
"However, there is
enough to hang him
1043
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,901
"without any family involvement.
1044
01:02:40,968 --> 01:02:43,567
"Steven is alone.
He will answer to God,
1045
01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:45,934
"he will answer to the law,
and my prayer is
1046
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,200
"he will answer to himself
before fate hands him
1047
01:02:49,267 --> 01:02:50,734
his final sentence."
1048
01:03:06,968 --> 01:03:08,567
I don't know.
1049
01:03:11,067 --> 01:03:14,133
I'd like to be there from
the beginning of each trial
1050
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,133
through the end of each one.
1051
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,300
If there are things to look at
that they had to endure,
1052
01:03:22,367 --> 01:03:24,968
I feel like it's
part of my life to know
1053
01:03:25,033 --> 01:03:28,968
what they lived through
or died through,
1054
01:03:29,033 --> 01:03:32,934
and I just feel like it's
not to punish ourselves,
1055
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,634
it's just to know in the end
and have that finality of.
1056
01:03:36,701 --> 01:03:38,734
"Oh, this is how it looked.
1057
01:03:38,801 --> 01:03:40,868
This is what they say they did."
1058
01:03:50,667 --> 01:03:52,467
A thief in the night,
I've come to steal
1059
01:03:52,534 --> 01:03:56,067
not jewels and money
but your personal safety,
1060
01:03:56,133 --> 01:03:59,801
privacy, and security.
1061
01:03:59,868 --> 01:04:04,267
I violate your inner asylum
of intimacy.
1062
01:04:04,334 --> 01:04:08,968
I piss on your optical illusion
of peace and innocence.
1063
01:04:09,033 --> 01:04:13,467
I feast on your animosity.
1064
01:04:13,534 --> 01:04:15,801
The Petit family passed through
their fear
1065
01:04:15,868 --> 01:04:18,667
into the calm waters
of abject terror,
1066
01:04:18,734 --> 01:04:23,834
like mesmerized rabbits cornered
by a springing predator.
1067
01:04:23,901 --> 01:04:27,801
To see that fear, that
emotional pain I feel every day
1068
01:04:27,868 --> 01:04:30,033
manifested on another's face
1069
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:33,367
validates that this pain
in me is real.
1070
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,901
The shockwaves of
my self's hopelessness
1071
01:04:39,968 --> 01:04:43,067
reverberated its bitterness
through my rocked soul
1072
01:04:43,133 --> 01:04:48,067
at the realization that I
crossed life's bridge of depravity.
1073
01:04:48,133 --> 01:04:51,300
The awakening of my shadow,
repressed within,
1074
01:04:51,367 --> 01:04:53,167
reaching its zenith that morning
1075
01:04:53,234 --> 01:04:56,200
with rapturous control
of Michaela.
1076
01:04:56,267 --> 01:04:59,234
Her age was insignificant.
1077
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:01,434
Come on, Shadow.
Come on, Rummy.
1078
01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:05,300
Inside. Let's go.
Let's go. Inside.
1079
01:05:05,367 --> 01:05:09,400
On the phone, Joshua
denied raping the 11-year-old,
1080
01:05:09,467 --> 01:05:13,300
but I knew Joshua raped
that 11-year-old.
1081
01:05:13,367 --> 01:05:15,968
I just knew.
And he kept...
1082
01:05:16,033 --> 01:05:17,801
Joshua kept telling me
that he didn't
1083
01:05:17,868 --> 01:05:20,133
and I didn't believe him.
1084
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:21,467
I couldn't believe him.
1085
01:05:21,534 --> 01:05:25,567
Because I was raped
in ninth grade,
1086
01:05:25,634 --> 01:05:27,167
and...
1087
01:05:39,734 --> 01:05:45,334
Before I left, I told him
about it.
1088
01:05:51,601 --> 01:05:55,000
I know he didn't know
Michaela at the time,
1089
01:05:55,067 --> 01:05:58,234
but I feel like maybe he was
thinking of a Michaela
1090
01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:01,267
while he was doing
that stuff to me.
1091
01:06:05,701 --> 01:06:07,934
Punishment that would be
good enough for him
1092
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,534
would be having done to him
what he'd done to them.
1093
01:06:34,434 --> 01:06:36,100
Roll cue
to video.
1094
01:06:36,167 --> 01:06:38,601
Sure. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
1095
01:06:38,667 --> 01:06:40,834
There are two suspects,
but Steven Hayes
1096
01:06:40,901 --> 01:06:42,467
goes on trial first.
1097
01:06:42,534 --> 01:06:43,934
He is in court today,
but he looks
1098
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,033
very different
from his mug shot.
1099
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:49,334
He's lost weight, he's in a
regular striped shirt and pants,
1100
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,601
no handcuffs on him
in front of the jury.
1101
01:06:51,667 --> 01:06:54,601
And it is because this case
has gotten so much publicity
1102
01:06:54,667 --> 01:06:57,701
that picking an impartial
jury could be difficult.
1103
01:06:57,767 --> 01:06:58,976
Sunny, you were
inside the courtroom today.
1104
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,567
What sort of state did
Komisarjevsky appear to be in?
1105
01:07:02,634 --> 01:07:05,500
He's much heavier now.
He sort of has a buzz cut.
1106
01:07:05,567 --> 01:07:08,133
Komisarjevsky is
dressed in a suit
1107
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,534
and engaged in the process.
1108
01:07:09,601 --> 01:07:12,200
Now, if you're wondering how
long this is all going to last,
1109
01:07:12,267 --> 01:07:14,067
we're talking about
several months.
1110
01:07:14,133 --> 01:07:18,133
This morning,
the judge told the...
1111
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,710
From the courthouse,
I don't think Cheshire's
1112
01:07:19,734 --> 01:07:22,634
but about a 15-minute drive.
1113
01:07:22,701 --> 01:07:24,701
Everybody knew this case.
1114
01:07:24,767 --> 01:07:28,801
Terry Nichols, Timothy McVeigh,
the Oklahoma City bombing cases
1115
01:07:28,868 --> 01:07:30,801
were number 2 and 3.
1116
01:07:30,868 --> 01:07:32,868
Komisarjevsky was number one.
1117
01:07:34,801 --> 01:07:37,200
Talking to almost 2,000
prospective jurors,
1118
01:07:37,267 --> 01:07:40,601
everyone had made conclusions
based on the publicity,
1119
01:07:40,667 --> 01:07:43,067
and that conclusion
was very clear.
1120
01:07:43,133 --> 01:07:46,567
Joshua Komisarjevsky was guilty.
1121
01:07:46,634 --> 01:07:51,601
75% also expressed the opinion
that Joshua should die.
1122
01:07:51,667 --> 01:07:53,434
I've never had
a jury selection where
1123
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:57,234
people would jump out of their
seats... "I'll kill him now."
1124
01:07:57,300 --> 01:07:59,834
It's in the news, Internet.
How could you miss it?
1125
01:07:59,901 --> 01:08:03,133
What did you think
when you saw him?
1126
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,434
Um... I just think
he's a murderer.
1127
01:08:23,934 --> 01:08:28,200
"Frustrating day, but two more
jurors were selected.
1128
01:08:28,267 --> 01:08:32,334
"That came in at
8:13 this morning.
1129
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,767
"Still need 4 more jurors,
6 alternates,
1130
01:08:35,834 --> 01:08:38,000
and two substitutes."
1131
01:08:43,234 --> 01:08:44,767
So it's about
11:00 this morning
1132
01:08:44,834 --> 01:08:46,300
my time Pacific time,
1133
01:08:46,367 --> 01:08:49,868
and one of Steven's
attorney's called.
1134
01:08:49,934 --> 01:08:51,601
They went in to check on him
this morning
1135
01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:54,234
and he was unresponsive.
1136
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:58,567
Steven's lying in a coma induced
by, you know, a medical team.
1137
01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:01,067
They're not sharing why.
1138
01:09:01,133 --> 01:09:05,667
You know, the attorney said
that he could very well die.
1139
01:09:05,734 --> 01:09:09,801
And they're expected to be
back in court tomorrow.
1140
01:09:09,868 --> 01:09:12,334
They can't proceed
without him in the room.
1141
01:09:17,267 --> 01:09:19,767
Steven squirreled away
1142
01:09:19,834 --> 01:09:26,500
9 or so doses of
Thorazine and Klonopin.
1143
01:09:26,567 --> 01:09:30,367
And you might question
how this could happen.
1144
01:09:30,434 --> 01:09:35,000
About a year before this, Steven
Hayes had made a suicide attempt
1145
01:09:35,067 --> 01:09:37,200
and one of the things
they found in his cell
1146
01:09:37,267 --> 01:09:39,234
was a suicide note.
1147
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:43,734
I quote, "I am sorry.
All I want to do is die.
1148
01:09:43,801 --> 01:09:45,934
"It is the only way to end
the pain I go through
1149
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,767
"every day 24/7,
and more important,
1150
01:09:48,834 --> 01:09:51,534
"the pain that trial
will bring to others.
1151
01:09:51,601 --> 01:09:54,968
"Time to go to the last
undiscovered country.
1152
01:09:55,033 --> 01:09:57,667
"Although I am not the monster
that Josh is,
1153
01:09:57,734 --> 01:09:59,767
"I am one nevertheless.
1154
01:09:59,834 --> 01:10:03,467
"A coward, because I could not
do what was right.
1155
01:10:03,534 --> 01:10:06,100
"Looking back on my life,
I was nothing but
1156
01:10:06,167 --> 01:10:10,267
"a self-centered asshole
who cared only of himself.
1157
01:10:10,334 --> 01:10:12,234
"But the ironic facet to this is
1158
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:15,367
"I have always had
the ability to change.
1159
01:10:15,434 --> 01:10:18,734
But cowards don't change.
They become me."
1160
01:10:23,767 --> 01:10:27,200
The judge actually toured
Hayes' cell yesterday.
1161
01:10:27,267 --> 01:10:31,000
It's called a safe cell,
which will protect him
1162
01:10:31,067 --> 01:10:32,000
from harming himself.
1163
01:10:32,067 --> 01:10:33,210
We learned a lot...
He also wears
1164
01:10:33,234 --> 01:10:36,167
something called
Ferguson clothing, which
1165
01:10:36,234 --> 01:10:38,868
an inmate wears if they're in
jeopardy of killing themselves,
1166
01:10:38,934 --> 01:10:40,567
because they can't
tear up the clothes
1167
01:10:40,634 --> 01:10:42,534
and use it as a noose.
1168
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,300
Good day.
Good morning.
1169
01:10:51,367 --> 01:10:53,367
How difficult, Dr. Petit,
is it to sit in there
1170
01:10:53,434 --> 01:10:57,267
and have them discuss
Hayes' conditions in prison
1171
01:10:57,334 --> 01:10:58,968
for two hours at a time?
1172
01:10:59,033 --> 01:11:01,033
The lights being on?
1173
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:04,701
Uh, it's difficult.
Uh...
1174
01:11:04,767 --> 01:11:07,267
Somehow, it was OK
for the defendants
1175
01:11:07,334 --> 01:11:11,667
to bind us and beat us
and rape us and torture us
1176
01:11:11,734 --> 01:11:15,334
and set the place on fire,
but you can't be...
1177
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,434
Can't be held in a cell
with the lights on,
1178
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:23,300
and somehow there's
something wrong with that.
1179
01:11:23,367 --> 01:11:27,500
It's surreal.
The entire prosecution
1180
01:11:27,567 --> 01:11:30,801
is geared to killing
Steven Hayes,
1181
01:11:30,868 --> 01:11:34,734
and so here he is
trying to kill himself
1182
01:11:34,801 --> 01:11:36,300
but we won't let him do that,
1183
01:11:36,367 --> 01:11:39,200
because we want to extract
our pound of flesh.
1184
01:11:39,267 --> 01:11:44,300
It's really a sick kind of
process, in my opinion.
1185
01:11:59,601 --> 01:12:03,400
Tragedy in trial!
Front page!
1186
01:12:03,467 --> 01:12:07,567
Tragedy in trial!
Front page!
1187
01:12:09,033 --> 01:12:11,634
Right now, both sides
are inside this courtroom.
1188
01:12:11,701 --> 01:12:14,200
All eyes are on
what's going to happen
1189
01:12:14,267 --> 01:12:16,434
in these opening arguments.
1190
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:19,534
The heavy, heavy security
around Steven Hayes
1191
01:12:19,601 --> 01:12:22,834
brought in by authorities
on a convoy of vehicles...
1192
01:12:22,901 --> 01:12:24,510
There's no cameras
allowed in the courtroom,
1193
01:12:24,534 --> 01:12:26,743
so you're not going to see
what's actually going on in there,
1194
01:12:26,767 --> 01:12:28,534
but tweeting is allowed.
1195
01:12:28,601 --> 01:12:30,400
A juror
has been excused.
1196
01:12:30,467 --> 01:12:32,767
It's because she said
she couldn't be fair,
1197
01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:34,300
because she heard news reports
1198
01:12:34,367 --> 01:12:36,167
of Steven Hayes'
suicide attempt.
1199
01:12:36,234 --> 01:12:38,567
This jury will end up
making two decisions.
1200
01:12:38,634 --> 01:12:41,467
One will be the guilt or
innocence of the defendant,
1201
01:12:41,534 --> 01:12:42,934
and if they
find him guilty,
1202
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,968
then they would
have to decide
1203
01:12:45,033 --> 01:12:46,934
if he should get
the death penalty
1204
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,667
for the crime.
1205
01:12:55,701 --> 01:12:57,801
Going into
the courtroom, Steven Hayes
1206
01:12:57,868 --> 01:13:01,133
was, like, off to my left.
1207
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,734
I look at him and I think,
1208
01:13:03,801 --> 01:13:07,300
"I still can't believe
that you did this."
1209
01:13:10,434 --> 01:13:13,868
I said as soon as I found out
that my sister died,
1210
01:13:13,934 --> 01:13:18,200
"Just come into me,
be a part of me."
1211
01:13:18,267 --> 01:13:20,968
So I kept staring at him,
1212
01:13:21,033 --> 01:13:23,467
and sometimes I think,
"Is that a part of her
1213
01:13:23,534 --> 01:13:25,567
"saying, like, Stare at him.
1214
01:13:25,634 --> 01:13:27,000
Don't take your eyes
off of him.
1215
01:13:27,067 --> 01:13:29,033
Like, he... he can't be trusted."
1216
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,767
I'd like to say a few
things to these guys.
1217
01:13:42,334 --> 01:13:46,734
I'd like them
to answer me the question,
1218
01:13:46,801 --> 01:13:51,701
do they know what it is
to be terrorized?
1219
01:13:55,567 --> 01:13:57,200
After waiting
more than 3 years,
1220
01:13:57,267 --> 01:13:59,801
the Petit and Hawke families are
ready for this process
1221
01:13:59,868 --> 01:14:01,400
to finally begin,
1222
01:14:01,467 --> 01:14:04,334
and are hopeful in the end
that justice will prevail,
1223
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:11,100
and we think of Jennifer, Hayley, and
Michaela every second of every day.
1224
01:14:11,167 --> 01:14:16,801
It is a system, you know,
and people say it's
1225
01:14:16,868 --> 01:14:18,634
the best system in the world,
1226
01:14:18,701 --> 01:14:22,701
but it's a... it's a maddening
system at best.
1227
01:14:22,767 --> 01:14:25,534
People spend a lot of time
parsing words
1228
01:14:25,601 --> 01:14:29,133
instead of really
trying to get to
1229
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,834
what is right and what is wrong,
what is good and what is evil.
1230
01:14:33,901 --> 01:14:36,701
But it's the system we have,
so we're hoping...
1231
01:14:36,767 --> 01:14:39,334
We're hoping that the system
we have will give us justice.
1232
01:14:45,367 --> 01:14:51,000
Today's date
is July 23, 2007.
1233
01:14:51,067 --> 01:14:52,300
Statements taking place
1234
01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:55,667
at the Cheshire
Police Department headquarters.
1235
01:14:55,734 --> 01:14:59,868
Joshua Komisarjevsky,
do you know why you're here?
1236
01:15:04,868 --> 01:15:08,701
OK. And you went to
Stop and Shop in Cheshire?
1237
01:15:39,267 --> 01:15:42,500
On the night of
July 22,
1238
01:15:42,567 --> 01:15:47,434
Josh and Steven were
texting each other.
1239
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:52,567
Steven texting Josh about
"When are we gonna get going?"
1240
01:15:52,634 --> 01:15:54,934
It was kind of like
an excitement about
1241
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,467
going to burglarize this house.
1242
01:16:04,701 --> 01:16:07,534
He drives down to Cheshire.
1243
01:16:07,601 --> 01:16:11,767
He and Josh go to a bar.
1244
01:16:11,834 --> 01:16:15,334
And then they start
looking for this house
1245
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,167
that Josh knows about
from when they were
1246
01:16:17,234 --> 01:16:19,734
shopping at
Stop and Shop earlier.
1247
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:24,400
It's always been my opinion
that he was attracted by
1248
01:16:24,467 --> 01:16:28,467
the young girl Michaela
rather than the money
1249
01:16:28,534 --> 01:16:31,033
or the Mercedes.
1250
01:16:37,133 --> 01:16:40,200
Josh was born into a family
with a history of mental problems.
1251
01:16:40,267 --> 01:16:41,667
Then he was adopted by a family
1252
01:16:41,734 --> 01:16:46,100
that had no ability to cope
with mental problems.
1253
01:16:46,167 --> 01:16:50,300
And so he was doomed by biology,
and then he was doomed by fate.
1254
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,667
When Josh was 3 years old,
the family took into the home
1255
01:16:55,734 --> 01:16:59,167
two foster children,
a girl and a boy.
1256
01:16:59,234 --> 01:17:03,234
And Josh underwent
really horrible and extensive
1257
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:05,734
sexual abuse
at the hand of Scott.
1258
01:17:09,267 --> 01:17:12,167
I think it started off playing
little sex games,
1259
01:17:12,234 --> 01:17:14,701
having him pose naked,
and then it proceeded
1260
01:17:14,767 --> 01:17:17,067
to full-scale anal intercourse
1261
01:17:17,133 --> 01:17:20,868
and to Josh's being burned
with cigarettes.
1262
01:17:20,934 --> 01:17:23,167
Against the background
of all of this,
1263
01:17:23,234 --> 01:17:26,067
Josh is at a church
in which it is taught
1264
01:17:26,133 --> 01:17:27,400
that there is evil in the world
1265
01:17:27,467 --> 01:17:29,968
and probably the greatest
abomination of all
1266
01:17:30,033 --> 01:17:33,334
is homosexuality.
1267
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:34,910
And so you've got a what,
a 5-year-old,
1268
01:17:34,934 --> 01:17:38,767
a 6-year-old, a 7-year-old
listening to this
1269
01:17:38,834 --> 01:17:41,434
and thinking to himself
that I am fundamentally evil,
1270
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:44,100
I have engaged in that
kind of activity,
1271
01:17:44,167 --> 01:17:46,500
and really not being able
to tell anybody about it.
1272
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:56,634
There's a theme that I saw
in Steven's life of...
1273
01:17:56,701 --> 01:17:58,500
of betrayal.
1274
01:17:59,901 --> 01:18:03,534
Steven had been sexually
abused as a child,
1275
01:18:03,601 --> 01:18:08,734
which led him to become
more emotionally
1276
01:18:08,801 --> 01:18:11,801
disconnected from people.
1277
01:18:11,868 --> 01:18:14,767
The turning towards drugs
and the desperate state of mind
1278
01:18:14,834 --> 01:18:17,767
that he found himself in,
1279
01:18:17,834 --> 01:18:20,133
all of this helped explain
1280
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,834
how Steven could've done
what he had done.
1281
01:19:59,701 --> 01:20:01,500
KK. Obviously
she told you
1282
01:20:01,567 --> 01:20:03,667
her nickname or whatever
is KK,
1283
01:20:03,734 --> 01:20:04,901
or you made that up?
1284
01:20:19,534 --> 01:20:22,200
I met Josh when I was 13.
1285
01:20:22,267 --> 01:20:26,234
Josh's parents started attending
the church that we went to,
1286
01:20:26,300 --> 01:20:30,267
the Evangelical Bible Church.
1287
01:20:30,334 --> 01:20:32,133
And we dated... we were
in a relationship
1288
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,100
for about two years.
1289
01:20:34,167 --> 01:20:38,500
We started, um, dating
when I was 14 or 15
1290
01:20:38,567 --> 01:20:41,467
and then our relationship
was ended by the church.
1291
01:20:44,901 --> 01:20:46,781
Throughout the whole course
of our relationship,
1292
01:20:46,834 --> 01:20:49,234
we were always trying
to not have sex.
1293
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:54,234
That was the goal.
It felt deeply, deeply sinful.
1294
01:20:57,234 --> 01:21:01,734
Our church community was
our home school community,
1295
01:21:01,801 --> 01:21:04,100
and Josh's family
and mine as well
1296
01:21:04,167 --> 01:21:08,434
had a very specific idea
of good and evil.
1297
01:21:11,801 --> 01:21:17,167
The devil was understood to be
an entity that you could know,
1298
01:21:17,234 --> 01:21:20,000
so if Josh had anxiety,
it was the devil.
1299
01:21:20,067 --> 01:21:22,901
If he did something wrong,
it was because he was being used
1300
01:21:22,968 --> 01:21:25,601
as a agent of the devil.
1301
01:21:28,133 --> 01:21:32,067
Josh spoke some to me
about the sexual abuse
1302
01:21:32,133 --> 01:21:33,901
that had happened to him,
1303
01:21:33,968 --> 01:21:36,601
but there wasn't even
a way for him
1304
01:21:36,667 --> 01:21:40,601
to tell me without weeping.
1305
01:21:40,667 --> 01:21:44,400
Josh had terrible
anxiety attacks.
1306
01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:49,334
His home was not
ever safe for him.
1307
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:54,000
The safe place was being away
and hiding in the woods.
1308
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,767
He was trespassing
and sneaking around,
1309
01:22:00,834 --> 01:22:08,200
spying on people, long before
it was a criminal offense.
1310
01:22:08,267 --> 01:22:09,801
I think that he envied people
1311
01:22:09,868 --> 01:22:12,701
and he would daydream
about being them.
1312
01:22:20,734 --> 01:22:22,667
They find beer
in the refrigerator
1313
01:22:22,734 --> 01:22:26,200
and drink throughout the night.
1314
01:22:26,267 --> 01:22:31,868
Steven finds jars
of quarters and coins.
1315
01:22:31,934 --> 01:22:34,667
They found
a Bank of America book
1316
01:22:34,734 --> 01:22:38,968
and they're waiting
for the morning.
1317
01:22:39,033 --> 01:22:42,500
However, Steven worries that
1318
01:22:42,567 --> 01:22:45,434
he's gonna leave DNA evidence
in the house,
1319
01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:50,534
and he starts... obsessing.
1320
01:22:50,601 --> 01:22:54,267
And Josh tells him,
"Fire destroys everything."
1321
01:22:54,334 --> 01:22:57,500
"We'll get the people out
and we'll burn the house down,
1322
01:22:57,567 --> 01:23:00,207
we'll get them somewhere, and
then we'll get the hell out of here."
1323
01:23:00,267 --> 01:23:04,667
That's what Steven was
thinking about.
1324
01:23:04,734 --> 01:23:06,467
Steven goes
into the garage.
1325
01:23:06,534 --> 01:23:10,033
He finds containers
and starts driving
1326
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:11,734
to find a gas station.
1327
01:23:21,467 --> 01:23:23,767
When Steven gets back
with the gasoline,
1328
01:23:23,834 --> 01:23:26,067
Josh had changed the clothes
of Michaela
1329
01:23:26,133 --> 01:23:28,901
because of activity that
he was involved with
1330
01:23:28,968 --> 01:23:31,767
in terms of
sexually abusing her.
1331
01:23:31,834 --> 01:23:38,500
And part of that occurred while
Steven was out on the gas run,
1332
01:23:38,567 --> 01:23:40,934
because we know that
because of Josh's photographs
1333
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,868
that he took on his cell phone
before the bank.
1334
01:23:50,033 --> 01:23:54,868
The first set of photographs
showed Michaela.
1335
01:23:54,934 --> 01:23:57,634
They were leg shots
and genital area shots,
1336
01:23:57,701 --> 01:24:00,634
but they were clothed.
1337
01:24:00,701 --> 01:24:02,467
The last shots while
they were at the bank
1338
01:24:02,534 --> 01:24:04,200
were much more graphic.
1339
01:24:04,267 --> 01:24:06,567
Really awful, awful,
awful photographs.
1340
01:24:06,634 --> 01:24:09,234
Those are the kinds of things
you never forget.
1341
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:14,000
They kind of become
emblazoned in your mind.
1342
01:24:14,067 --> 01:24:17,300
It just shows
the level of depravity
1343
01:24:17,367 --> 01:24:19,801
of Joshua Komisarjevsky.
1344
01:24:28,067 --> 01:24:30,400
Joshua was committed... against
the wishes of his parents,
1345
01:24:30,467 --> 01:24:35,300
he was committed and spent, I
think, two weeks at Elmcrest.
1346
01:24:36,934 --> 01:24:40,767
He was clearly
in terrible shape
1347
01:24:40,834 --> 01:24:42,634
and suicidal.
1348
01:24:44,667 --> 01:24:46,367
The records are
very clear that Joshua
1349
01:24:46,434 --> 01:24:48,334
wanted to try the medication,
1350
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:52,567
Joshua wanted the therapy,
but the parents rejected it.
1351
01:24:52,634 --> 01:24:54,334
Not only did the parents
reject it,
1352
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,734
but they immediately took him up
1353
01:24:56,801 --> 01:24:59,267
to the Alton Bay
Christian Center.
1354
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:03,000
People would say
that he was seeing demons
1355
01:25:03,067 --> 01:25:04,734
and he believed that.
1356
01:25:04,801 --> 01:25:06,467
And would pray that
they'd go away,
1357
01:25:06,534 --> 01:25:08,834
and people would gather around
him and pray over him
1358
01:25:08,901 --> 01:25:12,934
and lay hands on him and speak
in tongues over him.
1359
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,367
Exorcism. That was kind of
a regular part of our lives
1360
01:25:16,434 --> 01:25:19,033
when it came to dealing
with anxiety.
1361
01:25:20,601 --> 01:25:24,434
He ended up breaking into my
room at the discipleship house
1362
01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:26,467
to come and see me.
1363
01:25:26,534 --> 01:25:31,067
He was essentially
excommunicated for doing that.
1364
01:25:31,133 --> 01:25:36,300
His whole life, everything,
was just gone overnight.
1365
01:25:36,367 --> 01:25:40,200
There was no addressing that
perhaps this was a desperate kid
1366
01:25:40,267 --> 01:25:44,968
who actually didn't... wasn't
wrestling with the devil
1367
01:25:45,033 --> 01:25:48,634
but had experienced trauma
and was losing his grip.
1368
01:25:55,367 --> 01:25:58,234
Some people called our
office asking if we would...
1369
01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,367
We would take Josh on
in spite of
1370
01:26:00,434 --> 01:26:06,534
some of his legal difficulties
as a member of our tour.
1371
01:26:06,601 --> 01:26:10,067
I just gave Josh a little bit
of responsibility
1372
01:26:10,133 --> 01:26:13,133
and let him know that
I expected him to be a leader,
1373
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:14,434
and he blossomed.
1374
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:17,267
He just loved it.
1375
01:26:17,334 --> 01:26:22,801
We came to the end of that tour
and it was a good tour.
1376
01:26:22,868 --> 01:26:24,267
I think it wasn't
long after that
1377
01:26:24,334 --> 01:26:28,200
that Josh joined the Reserves.
1378
01:26:28,267 --> 01:26:32,934
Then he was discharged
1379
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,500
and then that's when
1380
01:26:35,567 --> 01:26:37,400
his troubles started again.
1381
01:26:47,367 --> 01:26:53,133
Morning rolls around.
They untie Mrs. Petit.
1382
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,434
Steven takes her to the bank.
1383
01:26:58,100 --> 01:26:59,834
Mrs. Petit is in the bank.
1384
01:26:59,901 --> 01:27:02,834
It's taking longer
than he thought.
1385
01:27:20,567 --> 01:27:22,400
You performed
oral sex on KK?
1386
01:27:22,467 --> 01:27:24,100
On KK.
1387
01:27:29,167 --> 01:27:30,901
Did you take
pictures of her?
1388
01:27:41,834 --> 01:27:43,901
Now, you said you let
her get dressed again.
1389
01:27:43,968 --> 01:27:46,868
How... how is it she came
upon being undressed?
1390
01:27:46,934 --> 01:27:49,634
Because you originally
said she was dressed.
1391
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,601
No one disputes that
he committed this crime.
1392
01:27:59,667 --> 01:28:01,500
Eventually, he tells
the police officer
1393
01:28:01,567 --> 01:28:03,868
that while Hayes is gone,
he goes upstairs
1394
01:28:03,934 --> 01:28:05,801
and sexually assaults KK.
1395
01:28:05,868 --> 01:28:08,133
At that point, the judge
stops the tape.
1396
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,000
He says, "A juror
is having problems
1397
01:28:10,067 --> 01:28:12,100
with this testimony,
with this evidence,"
1398
01:28:12,167 --> 01:28:13,968
and that he's gonna stop it
for the day
1399
01:28:14,033 --> 01:28:15,734
and they will continue
again tomorrow.
1400
01:28:15,801 --> 01:28:19,434
A very difficult day
in court here, LaToya.
1401
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:21,100
...start again?
1402
01:28:21,167 --> 01:28:23,968
We're good.
1403
01:28:24,033 --> 01:28:26,000
Thank you very much.
1404
01:28:31,234 --> 01:28:36,667
Komisarjevsky was
calling my youngest niece "KK."
1405
01:28:36,734 --> 01:28:39,534
Like, you know, who are you
to be using that term
1406
01:28:39,601 --> 01:28:44,767
and calling her this, like,
term of endearment that we use?
1407
01:28:44,834 --> 01:28:47,067
OK, you show me that
baseball bat again
1408
01:28:47,133 --> 01:28:52,767
that you hit Billy with
and I'll show you how it feels.
1409
01:28:52,834 --> 01:28:54,634
You want them to lose
a daughter.
1410
01:28:54,701 --> 01:28:56,234
You want their house
to burn down.
1411
01:28:56,300 --> 01:28:59,234
You want them to see
how it feels.
1412
01:28:59,300 --> 01:29:02,334
And... and other times, you think,
"Gosh, who am I?
1413
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,367
Like, this is wicked. How
could I wish this on anybody?"
1414
01:29:18,467 --> 01:29:21,901
Steven is
becoming anxious.
1415
01:29:21,968 --> 01:29:24,634
He calls Joshua.
1416
01:29:24,701 --> 01:29:26,868
Joshua tells him,
"Everything's gonna be fine.
1417
01:29:26,934 --> 01:29:30,234
The plan is gonna work."
1418
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:32,167
After a period of time,
Mrs. Petit
1419
01:29:32,234 --> 01:29:35,667
comes out of the bank
with money.
1420
01:29:35,734 --> 01:29:38,300
When they arrive
back at the house,
1421
01:29:38,367 --> 01:29:41,801
Steven is under the belief
that the crime is over.
1422
01:29:41,868 --> 01:29:44,334
Now they could leave.
1423
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,634
But Joshua tells Steven
that, we have a problem.
1424
01:29:49,701 --> 01:29:51,834
He had left DNA with
one of the children
1425
01:29:51,901 --> 01:29:54,067
and he had to kill them
and their dad,
1426
01:29:54,133 --> 01:29:56,801
and Dr. Petit had died
from the injuries,
1427
01:29:56,868 --> 01:29:59,734
and that now he had to get
his hands dirty
1428
01:29:59,801 --> 01:30:04,200
and kill Mrs. Petit.
1429
01:30:04,267 --> 01:30:08,534
I believe Steven, but
from the first time that Josh
1430
01:30:08,601 --> 01:30:11,400
talked to the police,
he tried to save himself
1431
01:30:11,467 --> 01:30:15,500
by blaming Steven for all the
horrific stuff that occurred.
1432
01:30:54,300 --> 01:30:58,601
Steven tells me that
he felt betrayed by Josh,
1433
01:30:58,667 --> 01:31:05,968
that he felt dragged into
this horror of a crime,
1434
01:31:06,033 --> 01:31:12,434
and he also felt in a crazy way
betrayed by Mrs. Petit,
1435
01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:17,968
because he looks out the window
and he sees police cars,
1436
01:31:18,033 --> 01:31:22,167
and he realizes that
Mrs. Petit must have
1437
01:31:22,234 --> 01:31:25,567
informed bank officials.
1438
01:31:25,634 --> 01:31:32,000
He is triggered into
this state of rage.
1439
01:31:32,067 --> 01:31:35,934
He strangles
Jennifer Hawke-Petit,
1440
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:40,267
he pulls down her pants,
pulls her legs up,
1441
01:31:40,334 --> 01:31:44,701
and he vaginally rapes her
after he strangles her.
1442
01:31:48,167 --> 01:31:49,801
Which is where
the dad was.
1443
01:32:11,968 --> 01:32:15,300
Steven hears Josh telling
him they have to leave.
1444
01:32:15,367 --> 01:32:18,100
Spread the gasoline
and let's get out of here.
1445
01:32:45,267 --> 01:32:47,934
Why did you
close the doors?
1446
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,167
You knew they were tied
but you closed the doors.
1447
01:33:05,167 --> 01:33:07,601
Empty bottles of...
1448
01:33:07,667 --> 01:33:09,767
Of gasoline, so he went
back up with another bottle?
1449
01:33:20,467 --> 01:33:21,801
OK.
1450
01:33:58,067 --> 01:33:59,300
All of these
family members
1451
01:33:59,367 --> 01:34:00,567
that have had to relive
1452
01:34:00,634 --> 01:34:02,901
the horror of what happened
inside of that home
1453
01:34:02,968 --> 01:34:04,467
the night they were all tied up
1454
01:34:04,534 --> 01:34:06,734
has been heartbreaking to watch
inside of the courtroom.
1455
01:34:06,767 --> 01:34:09,334
The images have been
absolutely devastating
1456
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:10,434
of the crime scene...
1457
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:12,834
When it's all put out
in front of you,
1458
01:34:12,901 --> 01:34:14,534
it's very gruesome.
1459
01:34:14,601 --> 01:34:16,467
It's... it's insane to just hear
1460
01:34:16,534 --> 01:34:18,000
and it's just affected
the whole town
1461
01:34:18,067 --> 01:34:21,067
and it's like the whole town
is just reliving it all again,
1462
01:34:21,133 --> 01:34:24,467
and it's not easy for all of us.
1463
01:34:30,467 --> 01:34:33,133
These are pictures
of, like, the accelerant pattern
1464
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,067
that they showed.
1465
01:34:35,133 --> 01:34:38,334
They went from, I think where
Hayley's body was upstairs
1466
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,267
into her bedroom
and onto her bed
1467
01:34:40,334 --> 01:34:42,767
and then down the hall and into
Michaela's bedroom
1468
01:34:42,834 --> 01:34:46,133
and onto her bed.
1469
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:50,000
And when they finally put
the fire detective on the stand,
1470
01:34:50,067 --> 01:34:55,968
I saw Michaela was tied and she
had gasoline dumped on her
1471
01:34:56,033 --> 01:34:59,300
while she was alive and alert,
1472
01:34:59,367 --> 01:35:02,100
and that at least
Hayley, I know,
1473
01:35:02,167 --> 01:35:05,767
was probably burning while
she was breathing.
1474
01:35:05,834 --> 01:35:08,100
And that was just a really hard
thing to learn,
1475
01:35:08,167 --> 01:35:11,300
because I never really knew
if the girls were alive
1476
01:35:11,367 --> 01:35:15,033
when they were burning or not,
1477
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:18,968
and it kind of was
made true to us
1478
01:35:19,033 --> 01:35:21,133
that that was
the case with Hayley,
1479
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,100
that she had walked
while she was on fire,
1480
01:35:24,167 --> 01:35:26,167
because she fell down
and the front of her
1481
01:35:26,234 --> 01:35:31,534
was more burned than
the back of her.
1482
01:35:31,601 --> 01:35:33,200
I was crying
and I just felt like
1483
01:35:33,267 --> 01:35:36,267
I wanted to get out of
that courtroom and scream
1484
01:35:36,334 --> 01:35:37,968
and just say, you know,
1485
01:35:38,033 --> 01:35:40,467
"I can't believe what's
going on in there."
1486
01:35:40,534 --> 01:35:44,033
You know, I just... it's making me
so angry,
1487
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:47,000
and I can't understand
why somebody couldn't have
1488
01:35:47,067 --> 01:35:49,968
ventilated that house for the
girls while they were still alive,
1489
01:35:50,033 --> 01:35:54,801
and I just... I want it
to be so different.
1490
01:35:54,868 --> 01:35:56,834
We're finally
seeing the defense
1491
01:35:56,901 --> 01:36:00,300
giving tough questioning
to the Cheshire police officers
1492
01:36:00,367 --> 01:36:04,067
who initially responded to
the call of that home invasion.
1493
01:36:04,133 --> 01:36:06,167
The officers said
they followed protocol.
1494
01:36:06,234 --> 01:36:08,400
Dr. William Petit
has always supported
1495
01:36:08,467 --> 01:36:11,033
the actions of the Cheshire
Police Department.
1496
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,467
One captain testifying
that the incident
1497
01:36:13,534 --> 01:36:16,868
did not make sense at first,
and he said,
1498
01:36:16,934 --> 01:36:19,367
"It still doesn't
make sense today."
1499
01:36:41,167 --> 01:36:43,567
Steven admitted
to killing the mom.
1500
01:36:43,634 --> 01:36:45,200
He admitted to raping the mom.
1501
01:36:45,267 --> 01:36:48,267
He admitted
to spreading gasoline,
1502
01:36:48,334 --> 01:36:49,701
I mean, so it's not like
1503
01:36:49,767 --> 01:36:54,334
he was trying to get himself
out from under in any way.
1504
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,934
And yet Josh was
getting this story out
1505
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,500
that Steven knew was false.
1506
01:37:00,567 --> 01:37:02,834
Joshua tried to minimize
the sexual assault,
1507
01:37:02,901 --> 01:37:04,234
not make it out to be a rape,
1508
01:37:04,300 --> 01:37:07,334
that it was just contact
and ejaculation,
1509
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:08,634
which is absurd given
1510
01:37:08,701 --> 01:37:11,167
the scientific evidence
that exists.
1511
01:37:11,234 --> 01:37:15,868
He tried to blame Steven
solely for being the person
1512
01:37:15,934 --> 01:37:19,434
who initiated the gasoline
and lighting the gasoline
1513
01:37:19,500 --> 01:37:22,667
when there's gasoline
on both of their clothes.
1514
01:37:22,734 --> 01:37:26,801
Josh Komisarjevsky was the one
who was suggesting
1515
01:37:26,868 --> 01:37:31,500
that they go into a house
where people were,
1516
01:37:31,567 --> 01:37:33,801
and for Steven,
this was a foolish thing,
1517
01:37:33,868 --> 01:37:37,234
because he was obviously
with a guy who
1518
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:40,067
was uncontrollable.
1519
01:37:43,434 --> 01:37:47,734
And I think it haunts him,
really haunts him,
1520
01:37:47,801 --> 01:37:51,968
as to why he didn't walk away.
1521
01:37:52,033 --> 01:37:57,734
Steven's in an isolation cell
24 hours a day.
1522
01:37:57,801 --> 01:37:59,334
He has nightmares.
1523
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,334
He has nightmares about
his own kid burning.
1524
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:08,300
This is the way his
incarceration will last forever.
1525
01:38:08,367 --> 01:38:12,367
So you know, I don't know
why we have to kill
1526
01:38:12,434 --> 01:38:15,067
someone who's
in a position like that.
1527
01:38:15,133 --> 01:38:17,500
It's like being buried alive.
1528
01:38:21,601 --> 01:38:24,267
We, the defense team,
always believed
1529
01:38:24,334 --> 01:38:29,434
that Joshua never had
the intention to kill anybody.
1530
01:38:29,500 --> 01:38:32,400
After he bashed Dr. Petit's head
several times,
1531
01:38:32,467 --> 01:38:34,934
later on, he got a towel.
1532
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,801
He wiped the blood away
from Dr. Petit's head.
1533
01:38:37,868 --> 01:38:41,567
He then got two pillows,
put them behind his back,
1534
01:38:41,634 --> 01:38:44,500
and he got two cushions,
and his explanation,
1535
01:38:44,567 --> 01:38:46,767
which is in his confession,
was that he did so
1536
01:38:46,834 --> 01:38:49,801
because he thought Dr. Petit
wasn't comfortable enough,
1537
01:38:49,868 --> 01:38:52,467
and he was concerned
about his comfort.
1538
01:38:54,834 --> 01:38:59,300
Why didn't he simply walk in
and undo the bindings?
1539
01:38:59,367 --> 01:39:01,100
Dr. Leo Shea,
a neuropsychologist,
1540
01:39:01,167 --> 01:39:04,300
testified that Joshua was unable
1541
01:39:04,367 --> 01:39:08,167
to make quick decisions
in stressful situations.
1542
01:39:09,767 --> 01:39:15,067
What occurred with Michaela
is absolutely unexplainable.
1543
01:39:15,133 --> 01:39:20,601
Such a horrendous crime
committed on such a young girl.
1544
01:39:20,667 --> 01:39:23,400
People go to jail for a long
time for crimes like that,
1545
01:39:23,467 --> 01:39:27,634
but you don't get
the death penalty.
1546
01:39:27,701 --> 01:39:31,500
When Joshua was apprehended,
when he was pulled from the car,
1547
01:39:31,567 --> 01:39:32,847
he was straight with the police.
1548
01:39:32,901 --> 01:39:34,276
When Steven Hayes was
pulled from the car,
1549
01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:36,167
he gave a phony name,
and when asked,
1550
01:39:36,234 --> 01:39:37,376
"Was there anybody
in the house?"
1551
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:38,834
He said, "I don't know."
1552
01:39:38,901 --> 01:39:40,801
When Joshua was pulled
from the car,
1553
01:39:40,868 --> 01:39:44,167
he gave his name and he said,
"There's a woman inside,
1554
01:39:44,234 --> 01:39:46,801
I believe she's dead, and
upstairs there's two girls,"
1555
01:39:46,868 --> 01:39:47,976
and he expressed to the police
1556
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,934
that there was some urgency
to the situation,
1557
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,376
which was pretty obvious
because at that time,
1558
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:53,434
the house was burning.
1559
01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:55,934
To me, these are things
that are inconsistent
1560
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:57,500
with intending to kill somebody.
1561
01:40:10,534 --> 01:40:13,234
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
1562
01:40:13,300 --> 01:40:15,300
Everybody
came here safe,
1563
01:40:15,367 --> 01:40:18,334
you know, just
to support.
1564
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:22,334
You know, the teachers
after Michaela died said
1565
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,234
whenever...
1566
01:40:30,801 --> 01:40:35,234
whenever someone in the class...
1567
01:40:40,167 --> 01:40:43,767
She said, "Dr. Petit, I just
have to tell you that
1568
01:40:43,834 --> 01:40:47,200
"your daughter Michaela
was always the one to
1569
01:40:47,267 --> 01:40:48,934
go with the kid
who was excluded,"
1570
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,267
and I thank you for
standing up for justice
1571
01:40:51,334 --> 01:40:53,500
and what is morally
and ethically correct.
1572
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,234
Dr. Petit is
pretty much out there
1573
01:41:08,300 --> 01:41:11,267
with his foundation, which is
obviously a really good thing
1574
01:41:11,334 --> 01:41:14,634
and should be supported,
1575
01:41:14,701 --> 01:41:17,834
but we're in the middle
of the state trying
1576
01:41:17,901 --> 01:41:21,100
to get the death penalty.
1577
01:41:21,167 --> 01:41:26,234
So as much as I have
incredible sympathy for him,
1578
01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:31,567
I think his outspokenness
in this case
1579
01:41:31,634 --> 01:41:35,767
has really affected any ability
to get a fair trial
1580
01:41:35,834 --> 01:41:38,234
for either of these
two defendants.
1581
01:41:38,300 --> 01:41:39,601
What happened,
what was said
1582
01:41:39,667 --> 01:41:41,701
during that conversation
with Dr. Petit
1583
01:41:41,767 --> 01:41:44,667
that made you just
make a 180?
1584
01:41:44,734 --> 01:41:49,734
Dr. Petit came in with his
sister-in-law Mrs. Chapman.
1585
01:41:49,801 --> 01:41:53,133
They said if
the legislature this year
1586
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:56,634
votes to repeal
the death penalty,
1587
01:41:56,701 --> 01:41:59,167
it'll make it harder
for the jury
1588
01:41:59,234 --> 01:42:02,968
to make the decision
of the death penalty
1589
01:42:03,033 --> 01:42:07,567
for this monster,
this Komisarjevsky.
1590
01:42:07,634 --> 01:42:10,200
I can only imagine that
one-on-one conversation.
1591
01:42:10,267 --> 01:42:12,434
You're sitting as close
as probably we are now.
1592
01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:16,868
You have no idea.
I could not bring myself
1593
01:42:16,934 --> 01:42:21,601
to cause this man
any more stress.
1594
01:42:21,667 --> 01:42:24,234
He's a monster.
He is a monster,
1595
01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:26,100
and I said,
"He's such a monster
1596
01:42:26,167 --> 01:42:28,033
"they should hang him
by his penis
1597
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:30,734
out from a tree
in Main Street."
1598
01:42:30,801 --> 01:42:33,634
I can't think of
anything bad enough
1599
01:42:33,701 --> 01:42:35,400
that should happen
to that man.
1600
01:42:44,167 --> 01:42:46,934
I actually got
to see Steve twice,
1601
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,701
the past two Sundays.
1602
01:42:49,767 --> 01:42:51,767
When I first saw him,
I wanted to cry,
1603
01:42:51,834 --> 01:42:53,601
because I haven't seen him
in so long,
1604
01:42:53,667 --> 01:42:57,934
but I just didn't want to cry
under those circumstances.
1605
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,467
You have all the guards
standing right on top of you.
1606
01:43:03,601 --> 01:43:06,200
And you can't talk
about the trial because,
1607
01:43:06,267 --> 01:43:09,100
like, you know that the phones
are pretty tapped.
1608
01:43:11,601 --> 01:43:15,133
I know that the family
wants him to be dead
1609
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,200
and it all to be over with,
1610
01:43:17,267 --> 01:43:18,968
but, like, my side
of the family,
1611
01:43:19,033 --> 01:43:21,300
we just want him to, like,
1612
01:43:21,367 --> 01:43:23,734
take responsibility
for what he did
1613
01:43:23,801 --> 01:43:27,467
without the consequence
of the death penalty.
1614
01:43:27,534 --> 01:43:30,667
That won't bring anyone back.
1615
01:43:30,734 --> 01:43:33,167
What happened happened
and his death
1616
01:43:33,234 --> 01:43:36,868
isn't gonna bring about
much justice.
1617
01:43:41,367 --> 01:43:44,267
Steven Hayes walked into
room 6A.
1618
01:43:44,334 --> 01:43:46,014
For the first time,
he saw a familiar face.
1619
01:43:46,067 --> 01:43:47,601
It was his brother Matthew.
1620
01:43:47,667 --> 01:43:49,610
The first time that we believe
a Hayes family member
1621
01:43:49,634 --> 01:43:51,634
has been in court.
1622
01:44:14,567 --> 01:44:16,567
Prosecutor
Michael Dearington said,
1623
01:44:16,634 --> 01:44:19,200
"These two beautiful girls
and loving mother were killed
1624
01:44:19,267 --> 01:44:22,033
because Steven Hayes
wanted money."
1625
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:25,300
Defense attorney Thomas Ullmann
argued that life without parole
1626
01:44:25,367 --> 01:44:28,367
is the harshest punishment
Steven Hayes could be given.
1627
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:37,801
State's attorney
Gary Nicholson
1628
01:44:37,868 --> 01:44:40,801
did not mince words as
he spoke to the jury
1629
01:44:40,868 --> 01:44:42,868
in his closing arguments
this morning,
1630
01:44:42,934 --> 01:44:45,634
saying that Joshua
Komisarjevsky is, quote,
1631
01:44:45,701 --> 01:44:47,100
"No shrinking violet.
1632
01:44:47,167 --> 01:44:50,400
He played a starring role
in this crime."
1633
01:44:50,467 --> 01:44:52,200
Nicholson hammered the point
1634
01:44:52,267 --> 01:44:55,167
that Komisarjevsky
was first in the house,
1635
01:44:55,234 --> 01:44:58,033
the first to use violence,
and had plenty of opportunity
1636
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:59,467
to leave the home.
1637
01:44:59,534 --> 01:45:01,534
He gave Steven Hayes directions
back to the house,
1638
01:45:01,601 --> 01:45:04,167
but Hayes went
and bought gasoline.
1639
01:45:04,234 --> 01:45:05,601
It's not fair,
is it?
1640
01:45:05,667 --> 01:45:09,467
No.
No. No. Mm.
1641
01:45:19,267 --> 01:45:22,901
You know, all I think of is
the impact that our girls
1642
01:45:22,968 --> 01:45:26,334
could've made upon the world.
1643
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:30,667
And, of course, none of that
will ever come forth from
1644
01:45:30,734 --> 01:45:33,901
Joshua Komisarjevsky.
1645
01:45:37,868 --> 01:45:39,000
What's the jury weighing?
1646
01:45:39,067 --> 01:45:42,000
Aggravating factors
against mitigating factors.
1647
01:45:42,067 --> 01:45:44,667
The aggravating factors brought
out by the prosecution...
1648
01:45:44,734 --> 01:45:46,634
The heinous nature
of the crimes.
1649
01:45:46,701 --> 01:45:49,100
For the mitigating factors
that the defense presented,
1650
01:45:49,167 --> 01:45:50,601
they pointed to a very difficult
1651
01:45:50,667 --> 01:45:53,200
early childhood of
Joshua Komisarjevsky.
1652
01:45:53,267 --> 01:45:56,033
The defense said they
turned to prayer instead.
1653
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:58,868
They also pointed to a series of
concussions when he was a boy,
1654
01:45:58,934 --> 01:46:01,434
drug use in his teenage
and early twenty years,
1655
01:46:01,500 --> 01:46:03,267
all saying it mitigates
what happens.
1656
01:46:03,334 --> 01:46:06,033
It means he didn't really know
what was going on,
1657
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:08,534
couldn't make a decision
to stop what was going on
1658
01:46:08,601 --> 01:46:10,567
that night in July of 2007,
1659
01:46:10,634 --> 01:46:13,200
and so his life
should be spared.
1660
01:46:13,267 --> 01:46:14,267
No verdict today.
1661
01:46:14,300 --> 01:46:17,234
We do expect a verdict
by the end of the week.
1662
01:46:22,067 --> 01:46:25,167
We're good.
You guys can reach, right?
1663
01:46:25,234 --> 01:46:27,601
Oh, Lord, we gather
around this table
1664
01:46:27,667 --> 01:46:30,834
as family and friends.
1665
01:46:30,901 --> 01:46:34,767
We stand at a place
in the trial where
1666
01:46:34,834 --> 01:46:38,734
we wonder what
will take place.
1667
01:46:38,801 --> 01:46:40,901
But we pray, O God,
that we will be able
1668
01:46:40,968 --> 01:46:43,500
to be strong enough
1669
01:46:43,567 --> 01:46:47,667
to accept whatever
the outcome may be,
1670
01:46:47,734 --> 01:46:52,200
that it would be your
will that would be done.
1671
01:46:52,267 --> 01:46:55,968
For we ask it in the
name of Christ. Amen.
1672
01:46:56,033 --> 01:46:57,868
Amen.
1673
01:47:00,968 --> 01:47:04,300
This is all about death
or life without parole.
1674
01:47:04,367 --> 01:47:05,367
Really, it does
seem like
1675
01:47:05,434 --> 01:47:07,033
the most kind,
humane thing
1676
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:08,634
you could do
for a person
1677
01:47:08,701 --> 01:47:13,767
is to allow them
to just die.
1678
01:47:13,834 --> 01:47:20,300
I thought of how much
that challenges the jurors.
1679
01:47:20,367 --> 01:47:26,133
A lot of pressure has been
placed upon their shoulders.
1680
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:29,901
I'm glad I'm not
in that room.
1681
01:47:29,968 --> 01:47:32,300
Yeah.
1682
01:47:32,367 --> 01:47:34,200
Never get
those pictures
1683
01:47:34,267 --> 01:47:37,934
out of their heads for the
rest of their lives, you know?
1684
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:43,100
It's been very traumatic
for everyone.
1685
01:48:05,267 --> 01:48:08,801
This is a case that had
just rattled people,
1686
01:48:08,868 --> 01:48:11,167
and a lot of people say
that if there is a case
1687
01:48:11,234 --> 01:48:13,767
that warrants the death penalty,
this is it.
1688
01:48:13,834 --> 01:48:15,310
Wait a minute.
I want to read you something
1689
01:48:15,334 --> 01:48:17,868
that we're... we're getting
some word on,
1690
01:48:17,934 --> 01:48:19,310
and you might be able
to explain it to us.
1691
01:48:19,334 --> 01:48:22,834
The jurors are standing. The
clerk is reading the verdict form.
1692
01:48:22,901 --> 01:48:25,601
Count 4,
no statutory mitigators.
1693
01:48:25,667 --> 01:48:27,934
Both aggravators are proven.
1694
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:33,133
OK. The defendant is sentenced
to death, Sunny.
1695
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:34,901
The jury returns.
1696
01:48:34,968 --> 01:48:36,133
Death penalty verdict.
1697
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:38,000
Death for the monster
who slaughtered
1698
01:48:38,067 --> 01:48:40,267
the Connecticut
doctor's family.
1699
01:48:40,334 --> 01:48:43,067
Tonight, a Connecticut jury
has done something very rare.
1700
01:48:43,133 --> 01:48:44,643
A Connecticut jury
has recommended death
1701
01:48:44,667 --> 01:48:45,734
for Steven Hayes.
1702
01:48:45,801 --> 01:48:47,601
He's convicted of raping
and murdering a mom,
1703
01:48:47,667 --> 01:48:52,133
Jennifer Hawke-Petit, and her
two daughters, Hayley and Michaela.
1704
01:48:55,601 --> 01:48:58,033
The verdict
was devastating.
1705
01:48:59,834 --> 01:49:02,000
Steven wanted a death verdict
1706
01:49:02,067 --> 01:49:04,367
and knew we did
everything in our power
1707
01:49:04,434 --> 01:49:06,601
to prevent that from happening,
1708
01:49:06,667 --> 01:49:09,167
in spite of his own efforts
to kill himself.
1709
01:49:28,434 --> 01:49:30,367
This case gets
attention in Australia.
1710
01:49:30,434 --> 01:49:32,434
It got attention in Europe.
1711
01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:35,667
You know, this was any town,
America, any family America,
1712
01:49:35,734 --> 01:49:38,133
and when you saw just how
that was shattered
1713
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:41,200
in a few hours, I think
that's powerful...
1714
01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:46,868
Count 5 is death.
1715
01:49:46,934 --> 01:49:48,367
The second count, count 5
1716
01:49:48,434 --> 01:49:50,434
in the murder of Michaela Petit,
is death,
1717
01:49:50,500 --> 01:49:52,076
that he intentionally caused
the death of a person
1718
01:49:52,100 --> 01:49:55,200
under 16 years old.
1719
01:49:55,267 --> 01:49:56,801
All right, count 10 is death.
1720
01:49:56,868 --> 01:49:58,567
That's... he intentionally caused
1721
01:49:58,634 --> 01:50:03,367
the death of Jennifer
Hawke-Petit, the mother.
1722
01:50:03,434 --> 01:50:05,634
OK, count 11 is death.
1723
01:50:11,133 --> 01:50:14,334
A couple of marshals
came up behind Joshua in cuffs
1724
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,634
and really no reaction at all.
1725
01:50:16,701 --> 01:50:19,400
Given the public outrage
for these horrendous crimes,
1726
01:50:19,467 --> 01:50:21,076
that we just couldn't
get a fair jury here
1727
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:22,500
and we still
feel that way,
1728
01:50:22,567 --> 01:50:24,834
and that's why we had filed
a motion to change venue
1729
01:50:24,901 --> 01:50:26,500
and believe it
should have been...
1730
01:50:26,567 --> 01:50:27,777
Should have been granted,
so that'll be
1731
01:50:27,801 --> 01:50:29,901
one of the main
appellate issues.
1732
01:50:29,968 --> 01:50:31,801
I believe the death
penalty is just barbaric
1733
01:50:31,868 --> 01:50:33,901
and it puts us in line
with countries like
1734
01:50:33,968 --> 01:50:37,701
China, Yemen,
Iraq, Iran.
1735
01:50:37,767 --> 01:50:39,176
I don't know what other
purpose it serves
1736
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:41,000
other than
simply revenge.
1737
01:50:41,067 --> 01:50:43,334
Walter Bansley III,
thank you very much.
1738
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:44,534
Denise, of course, yeah,
1739
01:50:44,601 --> 01:50:46,143
we're gonna have
continuing coverage here.
1740
01:50:46,167 --> 01:50:47,968
The death penalty
has been given
1741
01:50:48,033 --> 01:50:49,901
to Joshua Komisarjevsky.
1742
01:50:58,300 --> 01:51:03,534
We are satisfied that
the defendant has been judged
1743
01:51:03,601 --> 01:51:08,334
to be the murderer, the rapist,
and criminal that he is,
1744
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:12,534
and now he's been condemned
to the ultimate penalty.
1745
01:51:12,601 --> 01:51:15,300
We certainly have been
criticized over the years
1746
01:51:15,367 --> 01:51:19,767
that this is vengeance
and blood lust, but
1747
01:51:19,834 --> 01:51:21,734
this is really about justice.
1748
01:51:21,801 --> 01:51:26,067
We want to go forward with
the Petit Family Foundation
1749
01:51:26,133 --> 01:51:31,234
and try to continue to create
good out of evil and...
1750
01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:34,200
The defense did what
they thought they should do.
1751
01:51:34,267 --> 01:51:37,534
I thought a lot of it was
particularly distasteful.
1752
01:51:37,601 --> 01:51:40,033
We saw picture after
picture after picture,
1753
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:42,934
and every time one of those
pictures went up, I thought,
1754
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:44,734
"Charles Manson was a baby once.
1755
01:51:44,801 --> 01:51:48,267
I'm not sure that this is
particularly relevant."
1756
01:51:48,334 --> 01:51:50,033
I'd just like to thank
our justice system
1757
01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:52,133
as well as the jury members,
1758
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,701
listening to a lot of things
that they would much rather
1759
01:51:54,767 --> 01:51:57,634
not heard or seen.
1760
01:51:57,701 --> 01:52:00,400
I believe that without
our defense attorneys,
1761
01:52:00,467 --> 01:52:04,901
we could not have the outcome
that we have,
1762
01:52:04,968 --> 01:52:07,167
so we have to even
be appreciative
1763
01:52:07,234 --> 01:52:11,300
that there are defense attorneys
that will take cases like this.
1764
01:52:11,367 --> 01:52:15,267
And I believe God's
will has been done.
1765
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:24,343
I don't really want
to answer any questions.
1766
01:52:24,367 --> 01:52:29,934
I... I feel so sad that
my answers...
1767
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,076
I don't know if any of
the other defense attorneys...
1768
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:33,334
...on death row now.
1769
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:34,968
There will be automatic appeals.
1770
01:52:35,033 --> 01:52:36,934
There will be appeals
upon appeals.
1771
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:40,033
This will go on for years
and years and years, and...
1772
01:52:45,734 --> 01:52:47,434
We offered to plead
guilty to every charge
1773
01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:49,300
in the information against us
1774
01:52:49,367 --> 01:52:52,300
so long as death
wasn't the result.
1775
01:52:52,367 --> 01:52:53,807
And so Joshua would've
been sentenced
1776
01:52:53,834 --> 01:52:57,200
to life without the possibility
of release.
1777
01:52:57,267 --> 01:52:58,476
It would've happened, you know,
1778
01:52:58,500 --> 01:53:00,901
3 weeks after the crime
had taken place.
1779
01:53:00,968 --> 01:53:04,601
Josh would've disappeared
into the... into the great abyss
1780
01:53:04,667 --> 01:53:10,634
of the penal system, and would
never be heard from again.
1781
01:53:10,701 --> 01:53:15,901
But that wasn't a serious enough
punishment for the state,
1782
01:53:15,968 --> 01:53:17,434
and of course,
the state was being
1783
01:53:17,500 --> 01:53:20,534
goaded on by Dr. Petit.
1784
01:53:20,601 --> 01:53:26,934
And so we had to go through
3 years of Hayes and Joshua
1785
01:53:27,033 --> 01:53:29,367
and just forcing the people
of Connecticut
1786
01:53:29,434 --> 01:53:31,367
to relive that crime
day after day after day
1787
01:53:31,434 --> 01:53:35,868
I think kind of coarsened the
social fabric of Connecticut.
1788
01:53:35,934 --> 01:53:37,643
It would've been so much better
just to throw those guys in jail
1789
01:53:37,667 --> 01:53:40,434
and throw away the key, but...
1790
01:53:40,500 --> 01:53:42,334
She's pitching!
1791
01:54:11,667 --> 01:54:14,367
The most difficult thing
that I had to do in my life
1792
01:54:14,434 --> 01:54:19,000
was to bury my own child
and two grandchildren.
1793
01:54:24,267 --> 01:54:28,067
I don't think there
will ever be closure
1794
01:54:28,133 --> 01:54:30,067
for our family.
1795
01:54:32,434 --> 01:54:39,334
Jennifer was too much of
a giving, loving person,
1796
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:43,133
and I don't think that
we will ever, ever,
1797
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:48,367
if we live another 100 years,
would ever want to forget her.
1798
01:54:48,434 --> 01:54:51,534
So if closure
brings forgetting,
1799
01:54:51,601 --> 01:54:53,868
I don't want that closure.
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