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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:33,965 --> 00:00:34,965 Cheshire Emergency. 2 00:00:35,032 --> 00:00:36,199 My name is Mary Lyons, 3 00:00:36,267 --> 00:00:38,702 I'm the banking center manager. 4 00:00:38,770 --> 00:00:42,238 We have a lady who is in our bank right now 5 00:00:42,306 --> 00:00:45,609 who says that her husband and children 6 00:00:45,677 --> 00:00:48,344 are being held at their house. 7 00:00:48,412 --> 00:00:50,747 The people are in a car outside the bank. 8 00:00:50,815 --> 00:00:54,685 She is getting $15,000 to bring out to them. 9 00:00:54,752 --> 00:00:59,056 That if the police are told, they will kill the children and the husband. 10 00:00:59,124 --> 00:01:01,659 Her name is Jennifer Petit. 11 00:01:01,726 --> 00:01:03,694 P-e-t-i-t. 12 00:01:03,761 --> 00:01:05,129 Okay. Is she still in the bank? 13 00:01:05,163 --> 00:01:06,663 Yes, she is. 14 00:01:06,731 --> 00:01:08,799 Okay. She's being held... 15 00:01:08,866 --> 00:01:11,301 - Her husband... - Husband and family is being held? 16 00:01:11,369 --> 00:01:12,736 - Yes. - At their house? 17 00:01:12,804 --> 00:01:15,005 Yes. They're tied up. 18 00:01:15,072 --> 00:01:17,574 She said they drove her here. 19 00:01:17,641 --> 00:01:19,353 I'm trying to look and see where she's gone. 20 00:01:19,377 --> 00:01:20,654 She went outside, but I don't... 21 00:01:20,678 --> 00:01:22,446 Oh, wait, I see her walking now. 22 00:01:22,513 --> 00:01:24,048 She is petrified. 23 00:02:08,359 --> 00:02:10,239 Again, facts like that I can't comment on. Okay. 24 00:02:16,734 --> 00:02:18,235 And a male survivor. 25 00:02:22,473 --> 00:02:25,142 Upon arrival at the victims' residence, 26 00:02:25,209 --> 00:02:28,912 the first officer observed two male subjects 27 00:02:28,979 --> 00:02:33,249 exit private residence and also observed 28 00:02:33,317 --> 00:02:37,421 the private residence fully engulfed in flame. 29 00:02:37,488 --> 00:02:41,425 The suspect vehicle rammed the Cheshire police officer's car 30 00:02:41,493 --> 00:02:45,162 and continued on Sorghum Mill Road. 31 00:02:47,031 --> 00:02:49,432 Tonight, police removed the body of one of the victims 32 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:54,037 after a home invasion leaves a mother and her two daughters dead. 33 00:02:54,105 --> 00:02:55,838 The suspects, 34 00:02:55,906 --> 00:02:58,641 26-year-old Joshua Komisarjevsky of Cheshire 35 00:02:58,709 --> 00:03:00,777 and 44-year-old Steven Hayes of Winsted 36 00:03:00,844 --> 00:03:04,514 were caught while trying to escape in the Petits' car. 37 00:03:04,581 --> 00:03:06,783 Now, the only question remains that why 38 00:03:06,850 --> 00:03:08,718 did this happen to the Petit family? 39 00:03:34,012 --> 00:03:40,584 There's not one word that I can use to describe our town, 40 00:03:40,651 --> 00:03:42,252 but it's a phenomenal town. 41 00:03:52,563 --> 00:03:55,665 It's known as the bedding capital of Connecticut, 42 00:03:55,733 --> 00:03:58,501 for bedding plants. 43 00:03:58,569 --> 00:04:02,706 It was historically a farming community. A lot of family farms... 44 00:04:02,774 --> 00:04:04,775 And, as the state of Connecticut grew, 45 00:04:04,909 --> 00:04:07,210 as the cities surrounding the town of Cheshire grew, 46 00:04:07,278 --> 00:04:09,512 it ultimately became a bedroom community, 47 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:13,216 which I think is the, uh, probably the way most people think of Cheshire. 48 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,002 Returning now to tonight's top story. 49 00:04:32,069 --> 00:04:34,204 A mother and her two daughters are dead, 50 00:04:34,271 --> 00:04:37,140 their father severely injured, after a home invasion 51 00:04:37,142 --> 00:04:38,908 stunned the town of Cheshire. 52 00:04:38,976 --> 00:04:41,178 The suspects apparently set the house on fire 53 00:04:41,245 --> 00:04:43,513 as well as some of the victims. 54 00:04:43,581 --> 00:04:45,782 Jennifer Petit, her cause of death 55 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:48,752 has been asphyxiation from strangulation. 56 00:04:48,819 --> 00:04:52,089 Her daughters Hayley and Michaela died from smoke inhalation. 57 00:05:19,050 --> 00:05:22,084 I got a phone call here on Monday afternoon 58 00:05:22,152 --> 00:05:24,721 from Billy's sister, 59 00:05:24,789 --> 00:05:28,458 and I said, "Hannah, it's about the girls, isn't it?" 60 00:05:28,525 --> 00:05:31,361 And she said, "These two men came in 61 00:05:31,429 --> 00:05:33,764 "at what they think was 3:00 in the morning 62 00:05:33,831 --> 00:05:37,567 "and they beat Billy really badly with a baseball bat 63 00:05:37,635 --> 00:05:40,304 "and his head's all split apart, 64 00:05:40,371 --> 00:05:42,939 "and then they proceeded to do 65 00:05:43,007 --> 00:05:46,076 "all these awful things to the girls, 66 00:05:46,143 --> 00:05:48,845 "and they tied them to their beds." 67 00:05:51,416 --> 00:05:54,951 "About 9:00, Jen was made to go to the bank 68 00:05:55,019 --> 00:05:56,453 "and withdraw money 69 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,256 "and then when she came back from the bank, 70 00:06:00,324 --> 00:06:03,126 "they set the house on fire and killed them all 71 00:06:03,193 --> 00:06:06,463 "so that they could try to cover up their tracks, I guess," 72 00:06:06,530 --> 00:06:08,632 "but they got the two guys." 73 00:06:08,699 --> 00:06:13,069 And all I could think was, "Who cares if they got the two guys? 74 00:06:13,137 --> 00:06:15,705 "We don't have our loved ones anymore," 75 00:06:15,806 --> 00:06:18,008 "and that's all we had." 76 00:06:20,678 --> 00:06:23,446 Wild Lingonberry. Have you ever had that? 77 00:06:23,514 --> 00:06:26,015 Lingonberry? 78 00:06:26,083 --> 00:06:28,084 It's from England, somewhere. 79 00:06:30,888 --> 00:06:34,357 The hardest thing I think I've ever had to do in my life 80 00:06:34,425 --> 00:06:38,695 was to tell my parents that one of their other children, 81 00:06:38,762 --> 00:06:41,864 their only other child, was dead, 82 00:06:41,932 --> 00:06:48,104 and their two grandchildren, two of their four. 83 00:06:48,172 --> 00:06:51,975 She quickly told us that the home was set on fire, 84 00:06:52,042 --> 00:06:54,511 but Bill escaped. 85 00:06:56,013 --> 00:07:00,083 We went to the hospital and got to see Bill for the first time. 86 00:07:01,585 --> 00:07:04,187 He was badly beaten 87 00:07:04,255 --> 00:07:10,060 and he tried to apologize to us for not saving our daughter 88 00:07:10,127 --> 00:07:13,163 and our grandchildren. 89 00:07:13,230 --> 00:07:16,066 And we had to convince him that 90 00:07:16,133 --> 00:07:19,569 he was in no condition to be able to save anyone 91 00:07:19,636 --> 00:07:21,304 and we were grateful... 92 00:07:21,372 --> 00:07:24,173 That he was alive. That he was alive. 93 00:07:24,241 --> 00:07:27,343 This is the last sort of picture that we had together. 94 00:07:30,347 --> 00:07:33,149 My sister... She was beautiful. 95 00:07:33,217 --> 00:07:36,552 And she was usually, like, the lead in the plays at school. 96 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:38,154 She was on the homecoming court. 97 00:07:38,222 --> 00:07:41,991 She was captain of the Trojanette team. 98 00:07:42,060 --> 00:07:45,662 So she really was kind of like a winner person. 99 00:07:47,865 --> 00:07:51,033 Bill was a committed, dedicated doctor. 100 00:07:51,101 --> 00:07:54,203 Would leave at, uh, 7:00 in the morning 101 00:07:54,271 --> 00:07:59,008 and not be back home until maybe 9:00, 9:30. 102 00:08:01,512 --> 00:08:05,615 When Jen was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, 103 00:08:05,683 --> 00:08:09,285 Hayley really wanted to raise money because 104 00:08:09,353 --> 00:08:13,623 she felt like if she didn't do anything, it was possible that her mother could die. 105 00:08:16,627 --> 00:08:20,063 Hayley was able to raise a little over $50,000 106 00:08:20,131 --> 00:08:25,635 being a spokesperson for the MS Society here in Connecticut, 107 00:08:25,703 --> 00:08:28,705 receiving awards for that, although you'd never know it. 108 00:08:30,608 --> 00:08:34,177 I hardly knew about Hayley helping with MS, 109 00:08:34,245 --> 00:08:37,180 and that was just because she was just so quiet about everything. 110 00:08:37,248 --> 00:08:39,549 She could have bragged about everything she did, 111 00:08:39,617 --> 00:08:41,318 I mean, she was a straight "A" student. 112 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,588 I think about her all the time. 113 00:08:45,656 --> 00:08:46,936 It's hard not to think about her. 114 00:08:46,990 --> 00:08:49,659 You'll find just something to relate to her about. 115 00:08:52,629 --> 00:08:55,431 Michaela sometimes shied away from adults, 116 00:08:55,499 --> 00:08:58,701 but if she saw somebody was having a difficult time, 117 00:08:58,769 --> 00:09:01,971 she went to them and tried to help with whatever she could. 118 00:09:08,045 --> 00:09:11,948 Their lives were just centered around 119 00:09:12,016 --> 00:09:16,318 a sense of sociability, uh, justice. 120 00:09:18,088 --> 00:09:20,824 And if I didn't smile about it, I'd have to cry. 121 00:09:32,870 --> 00:09:36,339 Apparently, these two losers followed. 122 00:09:36,341 --> 00:09:40,443 Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her 11-year-old daughter 123 00:09:40,511 --> 00:09:43,680 to the Stop and Shop on Sunday night. 124 00:09:43,748 --> 00:09:46,015 They followed them. 125 00:09:46,082 --> 00:09:50,453 And the first Cheshire police officer to arrive at the scene 126 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,956 heard at least one of the girls screaming from inside the house. 127 00:09:54,024 --> 00:09:56,325 Those animals, what they did 128 00:09:56,394 --> 00:09:58,328 to those poor people of Cheshire, 129 00:09:58,396 --> 00:10:01,464 I can't even believe that they're gonna give them a trial. 130 00:10:01,599 --> 00:10:04,400 What kind of laws do we have in this state 131 00:10:04,468 --> 00:10:06,535 where they don't just execute those animals? 132 00:10:06,604 --> 00:10:09,806 Well, Tony, the reaction by the public certainly 133 00:10:09,873 --> 00:10:12,475 is for that, but it is... 134 00:10:14,612 --> 00:10:17,713 To destroy a family the way those two did... 135 00:10:18,582 --> 00:10:20,383 Heinous. 136 00:10:20,450 --> 00:10:22,451 My verdict? Fry 'em. 137 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:23,586 Hang 'em. 138 00:10:23,654 --> 00:10:25,255 Do whatever you gotta do. 139 00:10:25,322 --> 00:10:27,242 Make sure they ain't gonna walk this earth again. 140 00:10:35,432 --> 00:10:36,866 Can we switch? 141 00:10:36,934 --> 00:10:37,967 Yup. 142 00:10:40,704 --> 00:10:43,239 You need more? Yeah. I'm gonna need more. 143 00:10:43,307 --> 00:10:46,276 I don't think evil like this has happened since In Cold Blood. 144 00:10:46,343 --> 00:10:48,278 I really don't. Not that I know of. 145 00:10:48,345 --> 00:10:53,416 And we went from being a quiet, peaceful town in New England to, overnight, 146 00:10:53,484 --> 00:10:58,154 people installing alarm systems and panic buttons and panic rooms. 147 00:11:01,758 --> 00:11:05,128 People in town refer to it as Cheshire's 9/11. 148 00:11:07,098 --> 00:11:09,999 You know, life was one way and then it's another. 149 00:11:14,605 --> 00:11:20,610 God has promised to be with us through thick and through thin. 150 00:11:20,677 --> 00:11:25,415 All other ground is indeed sinking sand. 151 00:11:44,034 --> 00:11:45,801 Well, first of all, uh... 152 00:11:48,004 --> 00:11:49,672 Thank you. 153 00:11:49,707 --> 00:11:54,076 For all coming out today to honor the memory of the girls. 154 00:11:57,715 --> 00:12:00,283 I'd really like to say thank you to 155 00:12:03,354 --> 00:12:05,799 people from all over the state of Connecticut and all over the country. 156 00:12:05,823 --> 00:12:06,989 We've been 157 00:12:09,493 --> 00:12:15,331 surrounded with love and cards and flowers and prayer 158 00:12:15,398 --> 00:12:18,100 from east to west and north to south. 159 00:12:19,403 --> 00:12:23,139 I met Jen at, uh, Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh. 160 00:12:26,510 --> 00:12:27,843 Before med. 161 00:12:27,911 --> 00:12:29,044 She was a new nurse 162 00:12:29,112 --> 00:12:31,748 and I was the know-it-all 163 00:12:33,116 --> 00:12:35,318 third-year medical student. 164 00:12:35,386 --> 00:12:38,554 I was trying to correct Jen on how to take blood pressure 165 00:12:38,622 --> 00:12:39,622 the correct way. 166 00:12:42,392 --> 00:12:45,928 Since I had about 3 minutes of experience at that point. 167 00:12:48,932 --> 00:12:52,502 But it became clear pretty quickly that, uh, 168 00:12:52,569 --> 00:12:56,872 she knew more about pediatrics and how to care for kids 169 00:12:56,940 --> 00:12:58,608 than I had ever known. 170 00:12:59,910 --> 00:13:02,111 One of the nice things... 171 00:13:02,179 --> 00:13:04,514 Billy had never smelled smoke. 172 00:13:04,581 --> 00:13:06,449 He had never seen a fire. 173 00:13:08,452 --> 00:13:12,121 He had said that the only thing he ever heard 174 00:13:12,189 --> 00:13:17,060 of my sister was her, like, pleading nicely with these two men, 175 00:13:17,128 --> 00:13:19,763 "Can you please let me get my purse," 176 00:13:19,830 --> 00:13:24,067 "or they'll know that something is up at the bank." 177 00:13:24,134 --> 00:13:28,804 He had his legs tied together and he hopped up the outside basement steps. 178 00:13:28,872 --> 00:13:30,740 And he said, "But sometimes I wish. 179 00:13:30,808 --> 00:13:32,675 "I would've just gone to the inside 180 00:13:32,742 --> 00:13:36,012 "because then maybe, even if I had died in there," 181 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:38,915 "I could've done something." 182 00:13:38,982 --> 00:13:41,951 And I said, "No, Billy. You couldn't have done anything." 183 00:13:43,921 --> 00:13:47,123 "Attached to a pole with your hands and feet tied 184 00:13:47,190 --> 00:13:51,528 "in the basement with about 6 to 8, 3 to 4 inch" 185 00:13:51,595 --> 00:13:54,430 "openings in your skull?" 186 00:13:54,498 --> 00:13:58,234 And we knew that the police did not help my brother-in-law out of the house. 187 00:13:59,736 --> 00:14:04,240 So the chances that he lived, surviving the blood loss, 188 00:14:04,307 --> 00:14:08,645 are just miraculous in my mind. 189 00:14:08,712 --> 00:14:09,856 Joining me on the phone right now is. 190 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,415 Lieutenant Jay Markella, the Public Information Officer 191 00:14:12,483 --> 00:14:14,050 for the Cheshire Police Department. 192 00:14:14,117 --> 00:14:15,485 Thank you for joining us. 193 00:14:15,553 --> 00:14:17,352 Thank you for having me. 194 00:14:17,420 --> 00:14:19,822 Very little detail coming out about exactly what happened. 195 00:14:19,890 --> 00:14:22,625 Was it when police showed up that they found the house on fire 196 00:14:22,693 --> 00:14:24,327 and caught these suspects? 197 00:14:24,395 --> 00:14:26,929 Because they were caught leaving the burning house. 198 00:14:26,997 --> 00:14:30,200 Yeah. It worked out so officers arrived on scene 199 00:14:30,267 --> 00:14:33,169 just as the suspects were leaving the residence. 200 00:14:35,272 --> 00:14:38,641 Okay. I don't know how far we should go back, but... 201 00:14:40,811 --> 00:14:43,246 I'm a very detective-like person. 202 00:14:43,314 --> 00:14:47,082 I like to know details, and until I know the details 203 00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:50,319 around things, it's hard to figure things out. 204 00:14:52,789 --> 00:14:56,625 I would like to know why my sister and Steven Hayes 205 00:14:56,693 --> 00:14:59,495 weren't stopped at the bank? 206 00:14:59,563 --> 00:15:01,731 Why she wasn't held at the bank? 207 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:13,042 There were some police officers that, off the record, 208 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:16,245 said to people in the town that they heard the girls 209 00:15:16,313 --> 00:15:18,881 screaming in the end. 210 00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:21,650 Did they try to enter or did they not try to enter? 211 00:15:24,487 --> 00:15:27,956 And why weren't there policemen looking in the windows? 212 00:15:28,024 --> 00:15:30,192 My sister had no blinds on her windows. 213 00:15:32,195 --> 00:15:34,697 I just want the facts. 214 00:15:34,765 --> 00:15:39,234 And nobody has told us what really happened. 215 00:15:43,473 --> 00:15:45,308 And today, a state prosecutor said 216 00:15:45,375 --> 00:15:48,944 he'll seek the death penalty for Komisarjevsky and Hayes. 217 00:15:49,012 --> 00:15:53,015 Today, the state charged the men with six counts each of capital felony murder. 218 00:15:56,586 --> 00:16:00,089 I was driving back from the Adirondacks with my wife, 219 00:16:00,157 --> 00:16:03,792 coming through the Berkshires. Not a care in the world. 220 00:16:03,861 --> 00:16:05,627 And I get a cell phone call. 221 00:16:07,231 --> 00:16:09,999 Probably why I turned pale was because, 222 00:16:10,067 --> 00:16:11,600 you know, I had a sense as a lawyer 223 00:16:11,668 --> 00:16:14,036 where this was headed right from the beginning. 224 00:16:14,104 --> 00:16:17,940 You know, capital case, death penalty case, high profile. 225 00:16:18,008 --> 00:16:19,542 And in my own head, I knew right away 226 00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:22,144 that that case was coming in to this office 227 00:16:22,212 --> 00:16:23,679 and that I'd be involved. 228 00:16:26,616 --> 00:16:29,419 Steven Hayes and Mr. Komisarjevsky 229 00:16:29,486 --> 00:16:32,055 were coming into Meriden court for arraignment. 230 00:16:35,693 --> 00:16:38,427 Right from the first time that we met, 231 00:16:38,495 --> 00:16:42,565 Steven Hayes was suicidal, depressed. 232 00:16:42,632 --> 00:16:47,336 Just doesn't really understand how this all happened. 233 00:16:53,176 --> 00:16:55,344 His record is lengthy. 234 00:16:55,412 --> 00:16:58,380 He's got all these burglaries. 235 00:16:58,448 --> 00:17:00,750 Most involve car burglaries. 236 00:17:00,752 --> 00:17:03,952 In this state, burglary includes the break-in of a car. 237 00:17:03,954 --> 00:17:05,454 And they were all daytime. 238 00:17:07,457 --> 00:17:12,161 He'd sit and watch. People would park their cars. They'd go walking on a trail. 239 00:17:12,229 --> 00:17:15,831 Break into their car and take a laptop or a radio or a phone. 240 00:17:17,201 --> 00:17:19,635 So you were not dealing with someone 241 00:17:19,703 --> 00:17:24,574 who had the kind of classic history of violence 242 00:17:24,641 --> 00:17:26,876 and all of a sudden stepped into the big time 243 00:17:26,943 --> 00:17:30,012 in terms of the next level of violence. You just didn't have it. 244 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,184 There was no reason that anyone would ever look at that history and think, 245 00:17:35,252 --> 00:17:38,421 "Well, this guy's gonna do something really bad one day." 246 00:17:42,926 --> 00:17:44,827 The first time that I found out about my dad. 247 00:17:44,895 --> 00:17:47,964 I was probably about five years old. 248 00:17:48,031 --> 00:17:49,832 He would, like, take me to the movies 249 00:17:49,899 --> 00:17:52,601 and he really tried to be that father figure to me, 250 00:17:52,669 --> 00:17:56,339 but for whatever reason, he just couldn't stay out of trouble 251 00:17:56,406 --> 00:17:58,374 and so when he went back to jail, 252 00:17:58,442 --> 00:18:00,362 like, he would write to me and I would write back 253 00:18:00,410 --> 00:18:02,111 and that was our way of communicating. 254 00:18:03,980 --> 00:18:07,349 "Dear Alicia, hello, honey, and how are you doing? 255 00:18:07,417 --> 00:18:09,718 "I haven't heard from you in a while 256 00:18:09,787 --> 00:18:11,854 "and neither has Grandma. 257 00:18:11,922 --> 00:18:14,156 "I want so bad never to hurt you again 258 00:18:14,224 --> 00:18:16,692 "and I feel like I am because I'm still here. 259 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,862 "Every day, I wake up wondering if today will be the day 260 00:18:19,930 --> 00:18:21,363 "that my name is called." 261 00:18:21,431 --> 00:18:23,132 "The stress is almost unbearable..." 262 00:18:23,199 --> 00:18:25,067 When I first found out about the incident, 263 00:18:25,135 --> 00:18:28,370 I just came back from the police academy. 264 00:18:28,439 --> 00:18:32,508 And my mind was just like... I told him to call me if something was wrong. 265 00:18:35,712 --> 00:18:39,915 I needed to talk to him. I needed to get answers from him. 266 00:18:39,983 --> 00:18:43,519 What made him get together with this one guy and do what they did? 267 00:18:43,587 --> 00:18:44,787 Whose idea was it? 268 00:18:44,855 --> 00:18:48,390 Was it just one or was it both or did it just happen? 269 00:18:48,458 --> 00:18:51,160 It's just like, there's no easy answer, 270 00:18:51,228 --> 00:18:54,864 and I might not like the answer I get, but it's all... 271 00:18:54,931 --> 00:18:56,165 It's all just, "Why?" 272 00:18:59,136 --> 00:19:02,404 The details of 26-year-old Joshua Komisarjevsky's past 273 00:19:02,472 --> 00:19:06,075 are more in-depth, and some say even more disturbing. 274 00:19:06,142 --> 00:19:08,277 His rap sheet reveals a... 275 00:19:08,311 --> 00:19:10,946 We were right in the kitchen here 276 00:19:11,014 --> 00:19:13,815 and we got a call from my brother Ben, 277 00:19:13,884 --> 00:19:16,818 and he said, "I think Josh has been involved" 278 00:19:16,954 --> 00:19:18,887 "in this home invasion." 279 00:19:18,956 --> 00:19:22,124 And I said to him, I said, "Home invasion?" 280 00:19:22,192 --> 00:19:23,692 "This was a murder." 281 00:19:25,462 --> 00:19:27,129 "And Josh was involved?" 282 00:19:28,966 --> 00:19:30,933 So you see the name spelled out, 283 00:19:31,001 --> 00:19:33,236 the Komisarjevsky name, 284 00:19:33,303 --> 00:19:37,506 and you sit there and you hold your head in your hands 285 00:19:37,574 --> 00:19:39,742 and you can't believe it. 286 00:19:39,809 --> 00:19:41,677 And you want to cry. 287 00:19:45,181 --> 00:19:47,517 This young man's a monster, 288 00:19:47,584 --> 00:19:49,118 and that is not the way 289 00:19:49,185 --> 00:19:51,921 that we as members of this family behave. 290 00:19:56,059 --> 00:19:59,128 We spent all of our time in Cheshire 291 00:19:59,195 --> 00:20:03,766 and we lived in a home that was a home of arts and letters. 292 00:20:03,834 --> 00:20:06,269 This is my aunt Vera Komisarjevsky, 293 00:20:06,336 --> 00:20:09,105 one of the foremost actresses in the Russian stage, 294 00:20:09,173 --> 00:20:12,341 and there's a theater in St. Petersburg that's named after her. 295 00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:14,043 And this is my father 296 00:20:14,111 --> 00:20:17,013 Theodore Komisarjevsky, theater director, 297 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,015 architect, costume designer. 298 00:20:21,351 --> 00:20:23,619 When we drove up to Cheshire, 299 00:20:23,687 --> 00:20:27,089 my brother's house was just swarmed with media 300 00:20:27,157 --> 00:20:31,327 knocking on the door, trying to get statements from them. 301 00:20:31,394 --> 00:20:36,298 I think it's hard for anybody to be able to deal with that kind of a situation, 302 00:20:36,366 --> 00:20:38,300 but probably more so for them 303 00:20:38,368 --> 00:20:41,003 because they were individuals who basically had 304 00:20:41,071 --> 00:20:44,840 withdrawn from many aspects of public life. 305 00:20:49,178 --> 00:20:53,182 They ultimately posted a notice on the outside of their door, 306 00:20:53,249 --> 00:20:54,817 but that was it. 307 00:20:54,885 --> 00:20:57,519 And from that time on, they've had nothing to say. 308 00:21:01,791 --> 00:21:04,193 It was so disappointing, 309 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:08,630 because I knew I was the last person, therapeutically, 310 00:21:08,699 --> 00:21:10,933 that met with Josh and could really 311 00:21:11,001 --> 00:21:13,468 paint a picture of him in a different light. 312 00:21:13,536 --> 00:21:18,174 And I knew that the media and most people's opinion of him 313 00:21:18,241 --> 00:21:21,510 would go against what I saw and what I knew. 314 00:21:23,846 --> 00:21:28,117 Josh just wanted to do better things with his life. 315 00:21:28,184 --> 00:21:31,887 Staying clean, reconnecting with his family, 316 00:21:31,954 --> 00:21:35,724 and possibly going forward with an education, to become an architect. 317 00:21:39,563 --> 00:21:42,698 I saw someone who created some beautiful designs. 318 00:21:42,765 --> 00:21:44,467 These sketches. 319 00:21:46,669 --> 00:21:48,737 I mean, this kid was amazing. 320 00:21:48,805 --> 00:21:50,206 This is something that's unnatural. 321 00:21:50,273 --> 00:21:52,374 This is pure talent. 322 00:21:54,677 --> 00:21:58,680 He had to have practiced this and worked on this for years. 323 00:22:03,153 --> 00:22:05,020 But when we talk about the... 324 00:22:05,088 --> 00:22:09,024 Just the pure evil. 325 00:22:09,092 --> 00:22:12,461 How am I gonna go in there and tell them that this was a good kid, 326 00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:14,963 and that I was really close to him, 327 00:22:15,031 --> 00:22:16,165 after what he did? 328 00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:23,672 Joshua was a little, skinny, frail kid. 329 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:26,041 I saw him behind the bars. 330 00:22:26,109 --> 00:22:30,946 He had on his, uh, cream-colored jail uniform. 331 00:22:31,014 --> 00:22:33,516 He was slight. He was polite. 332 00:22:34,951 --> 00:22:36,818 He's adopted. 333 00:22:36,886 --> 00:22:41,490 He went from regular school special ed to home school. 334 00:22:41,558 --> 00:22:43,926 This whole package didn't make sense to me. 335 00:22:45,095 --> 00:22:48,930 Burglary, burglary, burglary, burglary, and burglary. 336 00:22:48,999 --> 00:22:52,434 Genius that he is, and he is a genius in some respects, 337 00:22:52,502 --> 00:22:54,236 with a photographic memory 338 00:22:54,304 --> 00:22:56,104 and attention to detail 339 00:22:56,173 --> 00:23:00,242 that no normal mind could possibly retain, 340 00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:02,277 he told them every burglary he did. 341 00:23:04,781 --> 00:23:09,618 He knew every item he took, passports, what dumpsters he threw it in. 342 00:23:12,221 --> 00:23:15,123 Joshua could get into a third floor, 343 00:23:15,191 --> 00:23:18,260 steal things, know which denominations of bills he took, 344 00:23:18,327 --> 00:23:20,629 a year later, two years later. 345 00:23:20,696 --> 00:23:23,865 Tell you where each wallet was, what kind of pants they were taken from, 346 00:23:23,933 --> 00:23:27,870 where the pants were on the floor, or on the bedpost, in the closet. 347 00:23:27,937 --> 00:23:29,704 Stay there for hours, not get caught. 348 00:23:32,642 --> 00:23:36,211 Joshua used relatively sophisticated equipment for a burglar. 349 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:38,247 Night vision goggles, latex gloves. 350 00:23:40,016 --> 00:23:43,218 After he robbed the house, he would stay there, 351 00:23:43,286 --> 00:23:46,421 on occasion, and listen to the people breathing, 352 00:23:46,489 --> 00:23:50,392 and go from room to room, listening to the occupants breathing, 353 00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:52,128 for no apparent purpose. 354 00:23:54,397 --> 00:23:56,632 That was the frightening part of it. 355 00:23:56,699 --> 00:24:01,336 He'd rob state troopers' houses, which takes some guts. 356 00:24:02,972 --> 00:24:05,240 "And I said," Judge, he needs to be watched. 357 00:24:05,308 --> 00:24:06,909 "This kid is sick. 358 00:24:06,976 --> 00:24:08,677 "You're never gonna see him again 359 00:24:08,745 --> 00:24:11,123 "or he's gonna be the worst criminal to pass through these doors, 360 00:24:11,147 --> 00:24:13,181 "because that's the kind of a mind he's got." 361 00:24:22,225 --> 00:24:24,093 There was no obvious flag here... 362 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,163 "No obvious flag," the new chairman of the Board of Pardons and Paroles 363 00:24:28,264 --> 00:24:30,332 says that the two suspects in the brutal. 364 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,701 Cheshire home invasion and triple murder 365 00:24:32,768 --> 00:24:36,405 were capable of doing what they allegedly did. 366 00:24:36,473 --> 00:24:38,541 There's no evidence that we've seen yet 367 00:24:38,608 --> 00:24:40,476 that they were recently... 368 00:24:40,544 --> 00:24:42,677 Uh, failed any drug tests. 369 00:24:42,745 --> 00:24:44,379 They were both employed. 370 00:24:44,447 --> 00:24:48,249 They were both living in what appeared to be stable households. 371 00:24:53,756 --> 00:24:58,393 Komisarjevsky was arrested for 18 home invasions, 372 00:24:58,461 --> 00:25:01,931 and the warning bells in there 373 00:25:01,998 --> 00:25:03,532 should have been ringing very loudly. 374 00:25:05,435 --> 00:25:08,170 Under a ten-year-old law, the prosecutors are supposed to 375 00:25:08,238 --> 00:25:11,773 order a transcript of the sentencing preceding 376 00:25:11,841 --> 00:25:14,043 and send that along to the parole board. 377 00:25:15,078 --> 00:25:17,279 I mean, I used to be a prosecutor. 378 00:25:17,347 --> 00:25:20,249 I helped write this law I'm talking about. 379 00:25:20,316 --> 00:25:22,117 Because I knew that it's at the sentencing 380 00:25:22,184 --> 00:25:23,729 that you really find out everything you need to know 381 00:25:23,753 --> 00:25:26,721 about this offender and the crime. 382 00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:28,167 The problem is, none of this ever got 383 00:25:28,191 --> 00:25:29,591 to the Department of Corrections. 384 00:25:29,659 --> 00:25:34,095 None of this ever got to the parole board. 385 00:25:34,164 --> 00:25:36,209 So, from the point of view of the Department of Corrections, 386 00:25:36,233 --> 00:25:39,801 they got a first time ever incarcerated inmate. 387 00:25:39,803 --> 00:25:45,140 Young, white, bright, home schooled, remorseful, 388 00:25:45,208 --> 00:25:48,443 never identified as a person with high mental health needs 389 00:25:48,511 --> 00:25:50,589 because he didn't come across as that type of person. 390 00:25:50,613 --> 00:25:52,380 He was a real manipulator. 391 00:25:54,384 --> 00:25:56,418 The typical sentence for burglary 392 00:25:56,486 --> 00:25:59,221 is a maximum of ten years in prison for each offense. 393 00:26:01,324 --> 00:26:04,660 Komisarjevsky could have still been locked up for two lifetimes. 394 00:26:05,996 --> 00:26:07,997 It was possible. 395 00:26:08,064 --> 00:26:09,464 It didn't happen. 396 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:27,849 I went to Bank of America to open a new account 397 00:26:27,917 --> 00:26:31,119 and Mrs. Petit was at the counter. 398 00:26:32,522 --> 00:26:35,691 All I saw was white blond hair 399 00:26:35,758 --> 00:26:37,426 and a white piece of paper. 400 00:26:37,494 --> 00:26:40,028 The teller handing it to the manager 401 00:26:40,096 --> 00:26:44,232 and the manager really just running right behind me to her office. 402 00:26:45,468 --> 00:26:48,837 And she just left. 403 00:26:52,208 --> 00:26:54,310 It's very delicate. 404 00:26:54,377 --> 00:26:57,980 Three lives were taken that should not have been. 405 00:26:58,048 --> 00:27:01,483 Things happened in a manner that... 406 00:27:01,550 --> 00:27:03,885 And I'm not saying the police... 407 00:27:03,953 --> 00:27:07,990 Because when you have a hostage situation, you wait until... 408 00:27:08,057 --> 00:27:10,626 You have to assess. 409 00:27:10,693 --> 00:27:14,496 But she was screaming for her life. 410 00:27:14,563 --> 00:27:19,001 He's in the basement. Conscious. Bound by the ankles. 411 00:27:19,068 --> 00:27:21,603 Daughter loose upstairs. 412 00:27:21,671 --> 00:27:23,672 She was a very strong girl. 413 00:27:25,474 --> 00:27:26,808 How did it happen? 414 00:27:28,978 --> 00:27:31,046 Cheshire Police. No one is talking. 415 00:27:32,081 --> 00:27:34,783 No one. 416 00:27:34,851 --> 00:27:36,051 Lieutenant, good morning, sir. 417 00:27:36,085 --> 00:27:37,519 Good morning, Dan. 418 00:27:37,587 --> 00:27:40,289 First of all, uh, the Cheshire Police Department 419 00:27:40,356 --> 00:27:43,391 in their response to this initial call 420 00:27:43,459 --> 00:27:45,361 was absolutely outstanding. 421 00:27:45,428 --> 00:27:47,329 Uh, they did a stellar job. 422 00:27:47,397 --> 00:27:50,231 Uh, the Chief and all those personnel in Cheshire PD 423 00:27:50,299 --> 00:27:51,739 deserve a lot of praise and credit... 424 00:27:56,539 --> 00:27:59,041 People are asking about a timeline, you know, 425 00:27:59,109 --> 00:28:01,110 when did this occur, when did that occur? 426 00:28:01,177 --> 00:28:02,611 We don't detail that information. 427 00:28:02,679 --> 00:28:04,680 That's... That's... That's not something 428 00:28:04,747 --> 00:28:09,051 that really the public really needs to be concerned about at this point in time 429 00:28:09,118 --> 00:28:12,353 and it has more of an impact on the case itself. 430 00:28:12,421 --> 00:28:16,391 Um, you know, the type of injury, the scene 431 00:28:16,459 --> 00:28:19,160 that one may try to envision in their mind, 432 00:28:19,228 --> 00:28:20,338 we're not gonna detail that. 433 00:28:20,362 --> 00:28:22,965 We're not gonna discuss, um, 434 00:28:23,032 --> 00:28:25,100 you know, how someone died... 435 00:28:25,167 --> 00:28:26,378 Over and above manner and cause, 436 00:28:26,402 --> 00:28:28,047 which, we'll give manner and cause of death, 437 00:28:28,071 --> 00:28:31,073 but we're not gonna get into great graphic detailed description. 438 00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:33,308 Um, you know, we're not gonna talk about assaults. 439 00:28:33,375 --> 00:28:34,876 We're not gonna talk about weapons. 440 00:28:46,122 --> 00:28:48,123 Say what we don't know. 441 00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:49,824 What happened? 442 00:28:49,892 --> 00:28:51,093 And the next... 443 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,995 ...the ensuing half-hour. 444 00:28:53,062 --> 00:28:54,529 Yeah. 445 00:28:54,597 --> 00:28:58,967 Between the time Hayes and Hawke-Petit 446 00:28:59,102 --> 00:29:02,070 returned home? 447 00:29:02,138 --> 00:29:05,173 - Mmm-hmm. - And the time... 448 00:29:05,208 --> 00:29:07,776 I don't want to say, "The first Cheshire police." MAN 1: No. 449 00:29:07,844 --> 00:29:09,254 They were arrested coming out of the house? 450 00:29:09,278 --> 00:29:10,779 Time they were arrested. 451 00:29:10,847 --> 00:29:12,781 Yeah. 452 00:29:12,849 --> 00:29:16,318 "That may only be answered at trial." 453 00:29:18,854 --> 00:29:21,132 If you can answer some of the questions, go ahead and do that. 454 00:29:21,156 --> 00:29:22,858 Yup. And then, uh... 455 00:29:22,926 --> 00:29:24,770 There's so little information and there's so many 456 00:29:24,794 --> 00:29:27,563 rumors and innuendo circulating. 457 00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:29,531 People are clamoring to find out what happened. 458 00:29:31,267 --> 00:29:33,168 The Day possibly proposed 459 00:29:33,235 --> 00:29:35,270 that William Petit was somehow involved. 460 00:29:35,338 --> 00:29:36,972 Speculation. 461 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,941 The sooner, I think, we get all the information, 462 00:29:40,009 --> 00:29:41,810 the sooner folks can really start healing, 463 00:29:41,877 --> 00:29:44,623 because the unknown is just as frightening as what happened, in a way. 464 00:29:44,647 --> 00:29:47,583 You have all these people saying all this stuff, you know? 465 00:29:47,650 --> 00:29:52,120 Just tell us what happened, and, uh, then we can deal with it. 466 00:29:52,188 --> 00:29:54,856 It's almost like not knowing is... 467 00:29:54,924 --> 00:29:57,826 Kind of keeps that wound open, you know? 468 00:29:57,893 --> 00:30:00,962 I don't know. It's gonna be a while 'till we see trial, so... 469 00:30:11,975 --> 00:30:15,977 It's starting to pan out that the state's claim is pretty strong. 470 00:30:16,045 --> 00:30:19,081 Overwhelmingly strong. 471 00:30:19,148 --> 00:30:24,653 And that what's at stake at this case is life or death. 472 00:30:28,557 --> 00:30:31,493 You have the gasoline aspect of it. 473 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,595 You know, the sexual assault. 474 00:30:33,663 --> 00:30:35,730 Horrible crime scene photos. 475 00:30:36,999 --> 00:30:38,633 You have the right defendant. 476 00:30:38,701 --> 00:30:40,468 You have the right perpetrator. 477 00:30:41,304 --> 00:30:42,604 What do we do? 478 00:30:42,671 --> 00:30:45,073 Isn't this the case that death is warranted? 479 00:30:45,141 --> 00:30:47,409 And, um... 480 00:30:47,476 --> 00:30:49,044 And I can't accept that. 481 00:30:51,647 --> 00:30:55,884 Once you allow the death penalty to go forward, 482 00:30:55,952 --> 00:30:57,786 then the next case comes along, 483 00:30:57,853 --> 00:30:59,121 and it's okay for the next case 484 00:30:59,188 --> 00:31:01,723 because that crime was horrifying, and what if that's a mistake? 485 00:31:01,791 --> 00:31:04,459 What if that's an innocent guy? 486 00:31:04,527 --> 00:31:10,298 And this notion that, if you execute somebody, you know, you'll save money. 487 00:31:10,366 --> 00:31:13,468 You know, that's the furthest thing from the truth. 488 00:31:13,536 --> 00:31:16,771 You know, we have pretty much a blank check. 489 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:20,275 So, I'm reminding everybody, listen, 490 00:31:20,343 --> 00:31:22,911 Steven Hayes is ready to plead guilty to all of these charges 491 00:31:22,978 --> 00:31:26,080 and take a sentence of life without the possibility of release. 492 00:31:26,148 --> 00:31:27,683 It'll be over now. 493 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:29,050 You know? There'd be... 494 00:31:29,118 --> 00:31:31,720 The case would be done, there wouldn't be any appeals, 495 00:31:31,788 --> 00:31:33,755 we'd stop spending all this money, 496 00:31:33,823 --> 00:31:38,226 um, we would not have to traumatize everybody with the facts of this case. 497 00:32:11,027 --> 00:32:13,428 As a United Methodist minister, 498 00:32:13,496 --> 00:32:18,099 I am a minister of a church at large 499 00:32:18,167 --> 00:32:21,403 that is opposed to capital punishment. 500 00:32:22,805 --> 00:32:26,942 That has put me between a rock and a hard place. 501 00:32:28,511 --> 00:32:31,780 We certainly don't, um, 502 00:32:31,847 --> 00:32:35,150 approve of torture of people, uh, 503 00:32:35,217 --> 00:32:39,788 but we feel that there has to be some justice 504 00:32:39,855 --> 00:32:43,324 in how people are dealt with 505 00:32:43,392 --> 00:32:46,861 when they are so inhumane in their treatment of others. 506 00:33:04,847 --> 00:33:07,783 You know, it just makes me want to cry. 507 00:33:07,817 --> 00:33:09,884 Jennifer, Hayley, and Michaela, 508 00:33:09,952 --> 00:33:11,986 they were kind and they were sweet. 509 00:33:13,489 --> 00:33:16,024 They looked out for other people, they cared about other people, 510 00:33:16,092 --> 00:33:19,027 and, uh, spent their time helping people, 511 00:33:19,095 --> 00:33:23,765 so for them to suffer, you know, horrific... 512 00:33:23,832 --> 00:33:28,403 Horrific deaths seems incredibly unjust. 513 00:33:28,471 --> 00:33:30,539 I mean, it would seem incredibly unjust for anybody, 514 00:33:30,606 --> 00:33:32,640 but obviously they were the three people 515 00:33:32,708 --> 00:33:34,476 that I knew and loved the best in the world, 516 00:33:34,544 --> 00:33:37,845 and it just... The contra... 517 00:33:39,949 --> 00:33:42,050 The contra... 518 00:33:42,118 --> 00:33:44,419 The opposition of the... 519 00:33:44,487 --> 00:33:47,956 Just absolute evil that attacked us 520 00:33:48,023 --> 00:33:50,858 versus the goodness that they represented is... 521 00:33:50,926 --> 00:33:52,294 Is just worlds apart. 522 00:34:01,971 --> 00:34:06,208 A benign visit to the grocery store to get milk, bread, toilet paper. 523 00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:09,611 Oh, and People magazine, 524 00:34:09,678 --> 00:34:11,198 because a family that my brother killed 525 00:34:11,247 --> 00:34:13,048 is on the front cover. 526 00:34:13,116 --> 00:34:14,816 And my brother's picture is in it. 527 00:34:17,686 --> 00:34:19,187 He raped a woman. 528 00:34:19,255 --> 00:34:21,589 He choked her to death. 529 00:34:21,657 --> 00:34:24,492 He poured gasoline on two little girls 530 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,994 and he set them on fire. 531 00:34:28,664 --> 00:34:30,098 How does a person do that? 532 00:34:33,869 --> 00:34:35,837 They paroled him in November... 533 00:34:37,573 --> 00:34:39,140 He peed funny, 534 00:34:39,208 --> 00:34:40,508 and so they threw him back, 535 00:34:40,576 --> 00:34:43,711 and they paroled him five months later. 536 00:34:43,779 --> 00:34:48,950 I... Personally, they're fucking stupid 'cause they don't get it. 537 00:34:50,786 --> 00:34:54,222 You don't care enough about the people in your society 538 00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:57,025 to put these type of people back out on the street. 539 00:34:57,093 --> 00:34:58,860 And I want to say that... 540 00:34:58,927 --> 00:35:02,330 It's really tough for me to say because one of those people is my brother. 541 00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:06,534 Steven at birth, or soon thereafter. 542 00:35:07,536 --> 00:35:09,371 Steven around three. 543 00:35:11,007 --> 00:35:13,608 Steven around five. 544 00:35:13,675 --> 00:35:15,743 Matthew around one, Matthew around three. 545 00:35:18,714 --> 00:35:20,748 Then we get into these. 546 00:35:22,918 --> 00:35:25,686 Steven, Matthew, Brian. 547 00:35:25,754 --> 00:35:28,056 Where I got the blond hair, I have no idea. 548 00:35:28,124 --> 00:35:29,134 Dad. That's where you got it. 549 00:35:29,158 --> 00:35:30,892 You, Kathryn, and... 550 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,095 And, uh, Steven all had the light hair. 551 00:35:36,198 --> 00:35:37,732 Who is Steve? 552 00:35:38,367 --> 00:35:39,868 He's manipulating, 553 00:35:41,037 --> 00:35:43,038 he's, uh, deceptive, 554 00:35:44,373 --> 00:35:46,808 and he's my brother. 555 00:35:49,545 --> 00:35:51,479 God, look at that. 556 00:35:51,547 --> 00:35:53,949 And I remember that. See, look at where his hands are. 557 00:35:54,016 --> 00:35:57,085 I remember that day. He was pinching me, he was grabbing me. 558 00:35:57,153 --> 00:36:00,322 I mean, look, I'm about to frickin' burst out in tears here. 559 00:36:00,389 --> 00:36:02,123 He's just laughing his little ass off. 560 00:36:02,191 --> 00:36:04,492 Yeah. Fuckin' noodge. 561 00:36:05,962 --> 00:36:07,228 Deceiving. 562 00:36:07,296 --> 00:36:09,831 Always. Manipulator. 563 00:36:09,898 --> 00:36:12,167 "Mom, it's not me, it's Matt." Yeah. 564 00:36:13,335 --> 00:36:14,802 Mom and her three boys. 565 00:36:16,005 --> 00:36:18,239 And that's probably the first Christmas 566 00:36:18,307 --> 00:36:22,210 since 1979 567 00:36:22,278 --> 00:36:27,682 that all three of us were in the same room for Christmas. 568 00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:31,286 Only to go back to jail again. Mmm-hmm. 569 00:36:31,354 --> 00:36:35,089 You know, this is the evolution of Steven in prison life. 570 00:36:35,157 --> 00:36:36,924 Monday, when I saw it on the news, 571 00:36:36,992 --> 00:36:38,660 all's I heard was that there was 572 00:36:38,727 --> 00:36:39,961 the home invasion and whatnot, 573 00:36:40,029 --> 00:36:43,164 and it seemed like something Steve would do. 574 00:36:43,232 --> 00:36:46,067 But if he'd never... With the smashing of the police cars 575 00:36:46,135 --> 00:36:48,236 and the breaking and entering and stuff like that. 576 00:36:48,303 --> 00:36:50,672 But the killing, the raping, and the burning. 577 00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:52,674 That could've been Josh. 578 00:36:52,742 --> 00:36:54,409 I don't know who was the mastermind. 579 00:36:54,477 --> 00:36:55,821 Well, obviously, neither one of them, 580 00:36:55,845 --> 00:36:58,580 because they got caught, and they did something... 581 00:36:58,647 --> 00:37:00,348 Well, being a mastermind 582 00:37:00,416 --> 00:37:02,317 doesn't mean that you don't get caught. 583 00:37:02,384 --> 00:37:04,018 Honestly, you know, it is, 584 00:37:04,086 --> 00:37:08,056 It is the equivalent of the perfect storm. 585 00:37:08,124 --> 00:37:11,058 If he wasn't smoking drugs, then, you know, 586 00:37:11,126 --> 00:37:14,462 I say flip the switch and fuck the trial. 587 00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:16,163 Flip the switch. 588 00:37:16,231 --> 00:37:17,799 I hope it doesn't even go that far. 589 00:37:17,867 --> 00:37:20,101 As nasty as it sounds, 590 00:37:20,168 --> 00:37:22,036 I hope somebody puts a bullet in his head. 591 00:37:22,104 --> 00:37:24,071 That's not gonna happen. Outside the courtroom. 592 00:37:24,139 --> 00:37:25,507 He's in solitary confinement. 593 00:37:25,574 --> 00:37:26,941 Yeah, well... They will... 594 00:37:27,009 --> 00:37:29,577 They will keep him away from every God-living soul. 595 00:37:29,645 --> 00:37:32,513 When he's on his way into the courtroom, he has to get out somewhere. 596 00:37:32,581 --> 00:37:34,015 They're not gonna risk his life, 597 00:37:34,083 --> 00:37:37,151 because the state wants to kill him. 598 00:37:37,219 --> 00:37:40,555 They're not gonna give that privilege up to anybody else. 599 00:37:40,623 --> 00:37:43,925 You know, I think that it should be the death penalty. 600 00:38:12,821 --> 00:38:17,058 Both my daughters, Clarice and Caroline, had a relationship with Joshua. 601 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,998 And I believe that he picked my daughters out 602 00:38:23,065 --> 00:38:27,969 due to the fact that they looked like they're very young. 603 00:38:28,036 --> 00:38:33,675 When Josh wanted to marry Caroline, we had a phone conversation. 604 00:38:33,742 --> 00:38:39,047 I don't know if Josh was asking for my blessing, but in that phone conversation, 605 00:38:39,114 --> 00:38:42,484 I said, "Joshua, I have two major concerns." 606 00:38:42,551 --> 00:38:45,386 "One is, I think you're a career criminal." 607 00:38:45,454 --> 00:38:47,188 And then the second thing I shared with him 608 00:38:47,255 --> 00:38:49,323 is that's he was a pedophile. 609 00:38:49,391 --> 00:38:51,359 And in both of those, he... 610 00:38:51,426 --> 00:38:54,963 He never really changed his voice. 611 00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:56,998 Um, all I remember him saying is, 612 00:38:57,065 --> 00:38:58,600 "I'm sorry you feel that way." 613 00:39:02,171 --> 00:39:05,239 "Dear Caroline, good evening, sweetheart. 614 00:39:05,241 --> 00:39:09,377 "When I wake every morning, the sun is just starting to rise. 615 00:39:09,444 --> 00:39:11,345 "Its light dances across your picture, 616 00:39:11,413 --> 00:39:14,682 "radiating your beautiful eyes and pretty smile. 617 00:39:14,749 --> 00:39:17,085 "It's the best part of the day. 618 00:39:17,152 --> 00:39:21,256 "A calming mix of hope, beauty, and tranquility. 619 00:39:21,323 --> 00:39:24,492 "Take care, Caroline. Smile. Someone's thinking of you. 620 00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,095 "Strength and honor, sincerely, Joshua." 621 00:39:27,162 --> 00:39:28,529 "P.S. Miss you." 622 00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:34,535 We called Joshua the hopeless romantic. 623 00:39:34,704 --> 00:39:39,440 That was the biggest side I loved about him, 624 00:39:39,508 --> 00:39:43,211 because, how many guys are out there that are romantic? 625 00:39:43,278 --> 00:39:44,745 You know? Not very many. 626 00:39:44,813 --> 00:39:47,648 And he was super romantic, and that's the way I am. 627 00:39:47,716 --> 00:39:48,816 I'm super romantic. 628 00:39:51,820 --> 00:39:53,655 When I went to Cheshire, 629 00:39:53,722 --> 00:39:55,162 we would go around the neighborhoods, 630 00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:57,358 the rich neighborhoods, 631 00:39:57,426 --> 00:39:59,226 and he'd look at all these houses 632 00:39:59,295 --> 00:40:01,228 and be like, "Man, you know, I want to live in 633 00:40:01,263 --> 00:40:03,931 "something that nice and that gorgeous." 634 00:40:05,667 --> 00:40:07,067 He wanted to have a family. 635 00:40:07,135 --> 00:40:08,335 He was like, "I want a family. 636 00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:09,637 "You know, a good family." 637 00:40:09,705 --> 00:40:11,338 "I don't want something that's broken." 638 00:40:17,245 --> 00:40:20,715 "If I were home, I would have sent flowers 639 00:40:20,783 --> 00:40:22,583 "and some sort of creative surprise 640 00:40:22,651 --> 00:40:24,986 "with this little note of admiration. 641 00:40:25,054 --> 00:40:26,554 "Actually, if I were home, 642 00:40:26,621 --> 00:40:28,590 "I would have shown up in person" 643 00:40:28,657 --> 00:40:30,058 "and, well, who knows." 644 00:40:32,995 --> 00:40:37,432 Me and Joshua did have a very sexually active relationship 645 00:40:37,499 --> 00:40:39,968 and he did like to tie me up 646 00:40:40,035 --> 00:40:43,004 and, of course, you know, I was the submissive one, 647 00:40:43,072 --> 00:40:44,772 and sometimes I was the dominant one. 648 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,360 But most of the time, I was submissive. 649 00:40:49,845 --> 00:40:52,981 Joshua always asked me, you know, "Is this too tight?" 650 00:40:53,048 --> 00:40:54,983 "Are you okay?" 651 00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:57,018 Joshua always was concerned. 652 00:40:59,421 --> 00:41:03,991 Joshua was definitely a soul mate and that's what killed me the most. 653 00:41:20,876 --> 00:41:23,544 I saw Steve and Josh together every day. Every day. 654 00:41:23,612 --> 00:41:24,912 They were always talking. 655 00:41:24,979 --> 00:41:26,480 Um, because Steve was... 656 00:41:26,548 --> 00:41:29,450 Steve was very, very versed in recovery. 657 00:41:29,518 --> 00:41:33,955 Um, Steve knew the NA book back and front. 658 00:41:33,957 --> 00:41:35,990 His nickname was "Mr. NA." 659 00:41:36,058 --> 00:41:38,760 And I think Josh kind of absorbed a lot of it 660 00:41:38,827 --> 00:41:41,829 and was able to get that knowledge from Steve. 661 00:41:45,768 --> 00:41:48,703 "For this addict, drugs are not my main problem. 662 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:52,473 "I am my main problem. My self-destructive attitude and behavior. 663 00:41:52,541 --> 00:41:55,643 "What I like about getting high is to escape my feelings. 664 00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:57,177 "I've self-medicated so much." 665 00:41:57,245 --> 00:41:59,179 "I don't know how to feel anymore." 666 00:42:00,382 --> 00:42:04,586 This is his own words. He's writing this. 667 00:42:04,653 --> 00:42:08,790 "...unresolved anger controls me, it haunts me day and night. 668 00:42:08,857 --> 00:42:11,092 "Sometimes to the point of obsession," 669 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,461 "even scary fantasy." 670 00:42:14,529 --> 00:42:16,463 You know, one of the comments 671 00:42:16,531 --> 00:42:18,099 that Steven had shared with me 672 00:42:18,167 --> 00:42:20,467 was he didn't know what was gonna happen 673 00:42:20,536 --> 00:42:22,036 but something big had to happen 674 00:42:22,103 --> 00:42:24,271 because he had to get away from my mother's house. 675 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:32,280 May to July, uh, in a one-bedroom apartment, 676 00:42:32,347 --> 00:42:35,950 my mother in the bedroom, Steven on the couch, me on the floor. 677 00:42:36,018 --> 00:42:39,787 You know, I didn't ever want to be home. 678 00:42:39,854 --> 00:42:42,923 I just didn't, so I'd stay out until 679 00:42:42,991 --> 00:42:45,393 I had to come home to go to sleep, 680 00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:47,861 because I couldn't stand to be in the same room with him. 681 00:42:48,997 --> 00:42:51,098 And then I'd be lying, 682 00:42:51,166 --> 00:42:53,334 making believe I'm sleeping in the morning 683 00:42:53,402 --> 00:42:54,935 while he's having coffee with my mom 684 00:42:55,003 --> 00:42:58,306 just runnin' all his bullshit out of his mouth 685 00:42:58,373 --> 00:43:00,040 about how he's gonna take care of her 686 00:43:00,109 --> 00:43:02,743 and he's gonna be making all this money. 687 00:43:02,811 --> 00:43:05,580 He's going to reshift and reshape my mother's life 688 00:43:05,647 --> 00:43:07,949 and get them a bigger place, and, you know, 689 00:43:08,016 --> 00:43:10,518 it's gonna be Steven taking care of Mom and... 690 00:43:12,354 --> 00:43:15,890 On a scale from here to here, there was that much of me 691 00:43:15,958 --> 00:43:18,793 that actually believed it was gonna happen. 692 00:43:18,861 --> 00:43:22,062 We got into a very physical confrontation one night, 693 00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:23,931 and he broke three of my ribs, 694 00:43:23,999 --> 00:43:26,534 and gave me a black eye. 695 00:43:26,602 --> 00:43:31,105 And, you know, I probably should have had him arrested then 696 00:43:31,173 --> 00:43:33,408 because that would have been violation of probation. 697 00:43:33,475 --> 00:43:36,236 Then he would've went to jail and none of this would've ever happened. 698 00:43:39,081 --> 00:43:41,115 Things were already falling apart. 699 00:43:41,183 --> 00:43:42,850 The lies that Steven had been telling 700 00:43:42,917 --> 00:43:45,486 for the last two months were coming back. 701 00:43:45,554 --> 00:43:47,588 My mother was finding out about it. 702 00:43:47,655 --> 00:43:50,057 She was getting ready to boot him out. 703 00:43:50,125 --> 00:43:51,659 "I don't care what you have to do. 704 00:43:51,727 --> 00:43:54,695 "You need a halfway house. I don't care." 705 00:43:54,763 --> 00:43:56,096 "Get out of my house." 706 00:43:57,131 --> 00:43:59,700 So that was Friday. 707 00:43:59,768 --> 00:44:01,469 I don't know the specifics of what happened 708 00:44:01,536 --> 00:44:04,205 Saturday and/or Sunday, but, you know, 709 00:44:04,272 --> 00:44:08,910 things were definitely ramping up to something. 710 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,783 A day or two before the crime occurs, 711 00:44:15,851 --> 00:44:20,721 Steven saw that his life was once again going downhill, 712 00:44:22,023 --> 00:44:25,125 and he says that he locks himself in a hotel room 713 00:44:26,227 --> 00:44:29,396 with crack cocaine and heroin 714 00:44:29,465 --> 00:44:33,233 and goes on this drug binge 715 00:44:33,301 --> 00:44:36,136 with a desire and hope that he would kill himself. 716 00:44:39,307 --> 00:44:42,810 He leaves the hotel room feeling like he's failed 717 00:44:42,911 --> 00:44:49,250 at this suicide attempt, leaving him, in his view, more desperate. 718 00:44:49,317 --> 00:44:53,521 He shows up at an AA meeting in Hartford, and there's Joshua. 719 00:44:54,956 --> 00:44:57,725 And Joshua started talking to him about 720 00:44:57,793 --> 00:44:59,427 ways to make some real money. 721 00:45:02,398 --> 00:45:04,065 The last contact I had with him 722 00:45:04,133 --> 00:45:08,102 before the crime, I think, was 723 00:45:08,170 --> 00:45:10,271 Sunday night? 724 00:45:10,338 --> 00:45:14,242 We said our usual good night's and "I love you" and then the next morning, 725 00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:16,677 I tried to get a hold of Joshua. 726 00:45:16,745 --> 00:45:19,257 Me and my mom were walking to the car and I looked at my mom, I go, 727 00:45:19,281 --> 00:45:21,549 "Mom, something's wrong." 728 00:45:21,616 --> 00:45:23,328 I was like, "Joshua's not answering his phone. 729 00:45:23,352 --> 00:45:24,852 "I think something happened." 730 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,422 I was like, "Something definitely is wrong." 731 00:45:31,793 --> 00:45:35,462 Ms. Komisarjevsky did call me on... 732 00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:37,164 I'm pretty sure it was Monday, 733 00:45:37,432 --> 00:45:39,833 and she told me that 734 00:45:39,901 --> 00:45:42,303 Joshua went out late that night 735 00:45:42,371 --> 00:45:45,005 and he was wearing dark clothings, like his hoodie. 736 00:45:46,775 --> 00:45:49,844 And Ms. Komisarjevsky told me that 737 00:45:49,912 --> 00:45:53,213 he only does that when he's going out to rob houses. 738 00:46:47,135 --> 00:46:50,304 The lights that the candles make 739 00:46:50,406 --> 00:46:54,141 I think can help to radiate the, uh... 740 00:46:54,209 --> 00:46:56,043 Uh, the love that's needed. 741 00:46:59,814 --> 00:47:03,117 Well, they're gonna ring the bells at the churches for three minutes. 742 00:47:03,185 --> 00:47:05,419 Uh, one minute for each of the Petit women. 743 00:47:09,591 --> 00:47:11,659 You'll remember that last summer, 744 00:47:11,726 --> 00:47:15,329 at what police describe as a random home invasion. 745 00:47:15,396 --> 00:47:17,965 And, of course, the darkness that happened on that day 746 00:47:18,033 --> 00:47:20,100 will never be forgotten. 747 00:47:20,235 --> 00:47:23,270 But perhaps for the first time tonight, there is a glimmer of hope 748 00:47:23,338 --> 00:47:26,574 that perhaps some good could come from this evil. 749 00:47:26,641 --> 00:47:29,443 Now, the money raised here will stay in Connecticut 750 00:47:29,511 --> 00:47:31,144 and go to the foundation that was founded 751 00:47:31,212 --> 00:47:34,147 by Dr. Petit in the names of his daughters. 752 00:47:34,215 --> 00:47:36,783 Michaela Miracle and Hayley's Hope and... 753 00:47:56,972 --> 00:47:59,339 - Good morning, everyone. - Good morning. 754 00:47:59,374 --> 00:48:00,608 This is a hearing in a... 755 00:48:00,676 --> 00:48:02,510 A continued hearing in a matter of a complaint 756 00:48:02,577 --> 00:48:04,945 brought by Colin Poitras and the Hartford Courant 757 00:48:05,013 --> 00:48:07,347 against Chief of Fire Department, town of Cheshire... 758 00:48:07,415 --> 00:48:09,316 We applied through the town of Cheshire 759 00:48:09,384 --> 00:48:12,453 for more material right after the crime took place. 760 00:48:12,521 --> 00:48:14,755 We finally got new information yesterday. 761 00:48:14,823 --> 00:48:17,758 A complete transcript from the time of the initial call 762 00:48:17,826 --> 00:48:20,494 from the bank official regarding Mrs. Petit being at the bank 763 00:48:20,562 --> 00:48:22,196 saying she might be held hostage 764 00:48:22,263 --> 00:48:23,864 to the time the two suspects 765 00:48:23,932 --> 00:48:26,133 were arrested outside the Petit household. 766 00:48:26,201 --> 00:48:29,069 And our review of this document, which is heavily edited 767 00:48:29,137 --> 00:48:30,938 to protect potential witnesses, 768 00:48:31,005 --> 00:48:32,906 the town has told us, 769 00:48:32,974 --> 00:48:36,076 raises the possibility that officers on alert 770 00:48:36,144 --> 00:48:39,013 could have maybe stopped this car with the suspect and Mrs. Petit 771 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,315 as they were coming home from the bank. 772 00:48:41,382 --> 00:48:43,517 Um, perhaps could've beat them back to the house. 773 00:48:43,584 --> 00:48:46,353 Could've separated the two suspects at that time 774 00:48:46,421 --> 00:48:48,381 and maybe things would've had a different outcome. 775 00:48:50,892 --> 00:48:52,470 And what's still out there is no one knows 776 00:48:52,494 --> 00:48:54,895 what the initial 911 call said. 777 00:48:54,963 --> 00:48:57,331 What the bank official said to police when she called. 778 00:49:00,702 --> 00:49:02,236 What were they told? Was it clear? 779 00:49:02,303 --> 00:49:04,505 Did they know they have a hostage crisis? 780 00:49:07,308 --> 00:49:10,877 There's always more information that is yearned for, um, 781 00:49:10,945 --> 00:49:13,146 either in a journalistic sense, 782 00:49:14,148 --> 00:49:16,417 a due diligence reporting sense, 783 00:49:16,484 --> 00:49:18,218 and sadly, in a salacious sense. 784 00:49:20,922 --> 00:49:25,959 So, it is hard to say, "No, I don't have anything to tell you right now." 785 00:49:26,027 --> 00:49:27,494 Over and over again. 786 00:49:36,371 --> 00:49:39,139 Upon arrival at the victims' residence, 787 00:49:39,207 --> 00:49:42,176 the first officer observed the private residence 788 00:49:42,244 --> 00:49:44,111 fully engulfed in flame. 789 00:49:44,178 --> 00:49:45,712 Yeah, it worked out 790 00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:47,648 so officers arrived on scene 791 00:49:47,715 --> 00:49:50,351 just as the suspects were leaving the residence. 792 00:49:53,355 --> 00:49:55,522 I get really tired of the stories that say, 793 00:49:55,590 --> 00:49:59,226 "Oh, by the time the police showed up, the house was already in flames." 794 00:49:59,294 --> 00:50:01,428 And that's not true at all. 795 00:50:04,198 --> 00:50:06,133 When Billy came out of the house, 796 00:50:06,201 --> 00:50:09,536 he was pretty sure that he saw men in the woods hiding behind trees, 797 00:50:09,604 --> 00:50:12,239 and we think those were all the police officers. 798 00:50:13,608 --> 00:50:16,176 And he was calling out to a neighbor 799 00:50:16,244 --> 00:50:20,281 while hopping across the yard, tied and badly beaten. 800 00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:24,918 That should have raised the police eyebrows to say, 801 00:50:24,986 --> 00:50:26,620 "What are they doing in there?" 802 00:50:26,687 --> 00:50:28,822 "We need to get in there and find out." 803 00:50:30,358 --> 00:50:33,761 That's why I wrote letters to the police. 804 00:50:33,828 --> 00:50:37,264 I felt like, and I expressed in my letter that... 805 00:50:37,332 --> 00:50:41,468 That their... Their goal was to catch the men, 806 00:50:41,536 --> 00:50:43,404 whoever were guilty, 807 00:50:43,471 --> 00:50:46,440 and above and beyond the saving of lives. 808 00:50:46,508 --> 00:50:50,977 And I felt their priorities were very much askew. 809 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:55,416 Why didn't they just have a bullhorn or something saying, you know, 810 00:50:55,483 --> 00:50:57,518 "This house is surrounded. 811 00:50:57,585 --> 00:51:01,822 "You're not going to get out of this alive," 812 00:51:01,890 --> 00:51:03,924 "so come on out?" 813 00:51:03,992 --> 00:51:07,027 Why didn't you just go to the door 814 00:51:07,095 --> 00:51:08,895 and break a window or something 815 00:51:08,963 --> 00:51:11,031 and go into that house? 816 00:51:11,099 --> 00:51:15,902 You know, my... My whole inner person said, 817 00:51:15,970 --> 00:51:17,638 "These were precious people." 818 00:51:17,705 --> 00:51:20,408 "Why didn't you enter the house?" 819 00:51:23,811 --> 00:51:28,181 We've asked a lot of questions, written a lot of letters. 820 00:51:31,553 --> 00:51:34,221 But they have not sat with me 821 00:51:34,288 --> 00:51:36,490 and they have not sat with my parents 822 00:51:36,558 --> 00:51:40,894 to tell us what happened and what unfolded and why and how. 823 00:51:42,997 --> 00:51:48,168 I believe that truly they think they did something wrong. 824 00:51:48,235 --> 00:51:50,904 I've heard all kinds of things, that it was a small town 825 00:51:50,906 --> 00:51:53,740 and they hadn't had the experience in the past. 826 00:51:56,077 --> 00:51:57,878 I think they were afraid. 827 00:51:59,547 --> 00:52:02,382 I just can't say enough good things 828 00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:05,385 about how proud I am of the extraordinary effort 829 00:52:05,453 --> 00:52:08,088 of our police officers and our firefighters. 830 00:52:08,156 --> 00:52:10,023 Um, they're extremely well trained, 831 00:52:10,091 --> 00:52:11,691 they're a great group of professionals, 832 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,361 and I think today exemplified, um, 833 00:52:14,428 --> 00:52:18,598 the finest of what the police and fire are all about in this community. 834 00:52:18,666 --> 00:52:19,826 And I can't thank them enough 835 00:52:19,868 --> 00:52:22,236 because without their great work, uh, 836 00:52:22,303 --> 00:52:24,071 this could've been a far worse tragedy. 837 00:52:24,139 --> 00:52:25,939 Uh, we were very, very fortunate... 838 00:52:26,007 --> 00:52:29,642 I was just literally shocked when I heard him say that 839 00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:33,914 and that there were no further casualties or something. 840 00:52:33,982 --> 00:52:35,615 And I thought, you know, 841 00:52:35,683 --> 00:52:37,417 "How bad does it have to be?" 842 00:52:37,485 --> 00:52:40,053 I mean, I thought it was awful, 843 00:52:40,121 --> 00:52:43,357 and he was commending them on what a great job they had done, 844 00:52:43,424 --> 00:52:45,658 and I... 845 00:52:45,726 --> 00:52:49,729 I was sorry, but I didn't feel they did a great job. 846 00:52:49,797 --> 00:52:53,233 I mean, if they had done a great job, nobody would have died. 847 00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:04,345 As you look through this dispatch, 848 00:53:04,412 --> 00:53:06,280 you can't help but walk away thinking, 849 00:53:06,347 --> 00:53:09,650 you know, that there's another tragedy within the tragedy 850 00:53:09,717 --> 00:53:12,853 that occurred to the Petit family here. 851 00:53:12,921 --> 00:53:18,659 9:21:28, initial call comes in to the police department 911. 852 00:53:18,726 --> 00:53:21,962 And this is the call that was actually from the bank manager. 853 00:53:24,198 --> 00:53:26,934 I will watch and see what kind of car she gets in. 854 00:53:27,002 --> 00:53:30,337 I'm in my office with the door... With the lights off. 855 00:53:30,404 --> 00:53:32,606 My teller said that she saw the driver. 856 00:53:32,674 --> 00:53:34,741 He had a black hood over... 857 00:53:34,809 --> 00:53:37,044 A hoodie and a baseball cap on. 858 00:53:37,111 --> 00:53:38,612 I'm gonna keep you on hold 859 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,560 - for another couple minutes, all right? - Okay. 860 00:53:46,087 --> 00:53:49,356 Some police officers were actually at the scene 861 00:53:49,424 --> 00:53:51,725 within seconds or minutes 862 00:53:51,792 --> 00:53:55,829 of when Steven Hayes and Jennifer Petit get back to the house. 863 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,235 They had the phone number of the house early on. 864 00:54:03,038 --> 00:54:04,705 Nobody made a call. 865 00:54:04,773 --> 00:54:06,439 Um, nobody knocked on the door. 866 00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:10,811 9:56. 867 00:54:10,879 --> 00:54:13,981 Two suspects are moving into Chrysler. 868 00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:17,084 9:57. 869 00:54:17,151 --> 00:54:19,353 There is a fire also at the scene. 870 00:54:21,323 --> 00:54:25,125 Initial call comes in at 9:21. 871 00:54:25,193 --> 00:54:27,594 This is over a half an hour later. 872 00:54:29,764 --> 00:54:32,566 They were actually at the scene for 30 minutes. 873 00:54:40,007 --> 00:54:43,710 The strangulation of Jennifer Petit occurred. 874 00:54:43,777 --> 00:54:47,614 The rape of Jennifer Petit occurred. 875 00:54:47,681 --> 00:54:53,220 The pouring of gasoline occurred throughout the house 876 00:54:53,288 --> 00:54:57,725 and the actual setting on fire of the house. 877 00:54:57,792 --> 00:55:00,961 All of this is taking place 878 00:55:01,028 --> 00:55:04,164 while the police are watching the house 879 00:55:04,232 --> 00:55:05,765 setting up their perimeter. 880 00:55:05,833 --> 00:55:07,434 It's really outrageous. 881 00:55:27,254 --> 00:55:29,390 Filling in for Ed Flynn today, on Talk of the Town. 882 00:55:29,457 --> 00:55:30,724 We're gonna take a quick break, 883 00:55:30,792 --> 00:55:32,926 and when we come back, we're going to be joined 884 00:55:32,994 --> 00:55:34,905 by Dr. William Petit from the Petit Family Foundation, 885 00:55:34,929 --> 00:55:36,029 so stay with us. 886 00:55:36,097 --> 00:55:37,964 Yeah. 1984. 887 00:55:43,237 --> 00:55:45,372 We go directly to you. On nine... 888 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,975 Okay. Eight, seven... 889 00:55:48,042 --> 00:55:50,811 Dr. Petit is here, and as many of you recall, 890 00:55:50,879 --> 00:55:53,813 you know, it wasn't that long ago that, you know, you suffered a tragedy, 891 00:55:53,881 --> 00:55:56,917 losing your wife and your two daughters in a home invasion. 892 00:55:56,984 --> 00:55:59,385 Talk a little bit, if you will, Dr. Petit, about the mission. 893 00:55:59,453 --> 00:56:01,888 About the mission of the Petit Family Foundation. 894 00:56:01,956 --> 00:56:05,492 It's essentially to help out people with, uh, chronic illnesses, 895 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,763 which was a nod to Hayley, who was accepted at Dartmouth 896 00:56:09,831 --> 00:56:12,566 and wanted to major in biology 897 00:56:12,634 --> 00:56:15,636 and considered medicine or other careers. 898 00:56:15,703 --> 00:56:19,205 And to help people affected by violence in their life, 899 00:56:19,273 --> 00:56:24,578 which there's obviously, uh, far too much of, 900 00:56:24,646 --> 00:56:28,281 as evidenced by the shootings in Oakland 901 00:56:28,349 --> 00:56:30,116 and the shootings in Pittsburgh. 902 00:56:30,184 --> 00:56:32,018 There are few things that make me mad as hell, 903 00:56:32,086 --> 00:56:34,921 and one is when I heard that the legislature 904 00:56:34,989 --> 00:56:36,890 was even talking about, 905 00:56:36,957 --> 00:56:38,492 even considering 906 00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:40,961 abolishing the death penalty here in Connecticut. 907 00:56:41,029 --> 00:56:42,495 And I'm beginning to wonder, 908 00:56:42,597 --> 00:56:45,165 do I have anything in common with this state anymore? 909 00:56:45,233 --> 00:56:46,466 I mean, what the heck? 910 00:56:46,534 --> 00:56:47,878 One of the studies that has been done, 911 00:56:47,902 --> 00:56:49,380 and it does get brought up by people... 912 00:56:49,404 --> 00:56:51,037 Study, study, study. 913 00:56:51,105 --> 00:56:54,241 Well, this study actually has some very good statistics, which are, 914 00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:57,244 most violent criminals who commit the most heinous of crimes 915 00:56:57,312 --> 00:56:59,479 don't see the death penalty as a deterrent 916 00:56:59,547 --> 00:57:02,015 because their sociopathic activities 917 00:57:02,083 --> 00:57:04,351 don't take into account consequences. 918 00:57:04,418 --> 00:57:06,453 How do you feel about that, Dr. Petit? 919 00:57:06,521 --> 00:57:07,864 Death penalty's clearly a deterrent, 920 00:57:07,888 --> 00:57:09,990 because the person that has committed the violent crime 921 00:57:09,992 --> 00:57:11,192 can no longer commit it again, 922 00:57:11,225 --> 00:57:13,493 so that person is removed from society, 923 00:57:13,561 --> 00:57:15,228 and I think they've forfeited their right 924 00:57:15,296 --> 00:57:19,365 to live in a civilized society, and, uh... 925 00:57:19,434 --> 00:57:22,268 The taking of a life, the opponents like to say 926 00:57:22,336 --> 00:57:24,370 it's, uh, murder by the government, 927 00:57:24,439 --> 00:57:29,342 but that's a semantic issue, 928 00:57:29,410 --> 00:57:31,745 because murder is the unlawful taking. 929 00:57:31,813 --> 00:57:34,213 We have laws set down for certain reasons, 930 00:57:34,281 --> 00:57:36,349 and certainly the defense attorneys spend 931 00:57:36,417 --> 00:57:38,251 lots of time and lots of our money 932 00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,219 using the law to their benefit, 933 00:57:40,287 --> 00:57:42,823 and, uh, the law says that for certain crimes, 934 00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:44,624 there's an ultimate penalty, 935 00:57:44,692 --> 00:57:48,628 and society's believed in that for thousands of years. 936 00:57:48,696 --> 00:57:50,240 And that fight will continue, and I know 937 00:57:50,264 --> 00:57:51,932 that is, uh, one of the things 938 00:57:51,999 --> 00:57:53,367 you're gonna fight passionately, 939 00:57:53,434 --> 00:57:56,102 to make sure that those laws stay in place, and, uh... 940 00:57:56,337 --> 00:58:00,073 And no better spokesman than you, Dr. Petit, 941 00:58:00,141 --> 00:58:02,876 for why these laws are here. 942 00:58:02,944 --> 00:58:04,611 State lawmakers are considering a bill 943 00:58:04,613 --> 00:58:06,412 that would change the death penalty law, 944 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,281 and Dr. William Petit gave his opinion 945 00:58:08,349 --> 00:58:10,684 on the same day of a hearing for one of the men... 946 00:58:10,752 --> 00:58:11,818 Death penalty opponents 947 00:58:11,886 --> 00:58:13,953 speak of the inviolable sanctity of life. 948 00:58:14,021 --> 00:58:17,957 They love slogans such as "Do not kill in our name" and the like. 949 00:58:18,025 --> 00:58:20,027 Thus, I assume that death penalty opponents 950 00:58:20,094 --> 00:58:23,163 value the lives of murderers more than their victims. 951 00:58:23,165 --> 00:58:25,332 Specifically, to me, as a victim... 952 00:58:25,399 --> 00:58:27,501 You know, if you're for the death penalty, 953 00:58:27,569 --> 00:58:30,037 this is the poster child, no question about it. 954 00:58:30,104 --> 00:58:32,039 If you're against the death penalty, like I am, 955 00:58:32,106 --> 00:58:34,874 this guy is the poster child for the death penalty. 956 00:58:34,942 --> 00:58:37,310 I mean, him and Saddam Hussein, right? 957 00:58:37,378 --> 00:58:40,213 Kind of hard to argue the case. 958 00:58:40,281 --> 00:58:45,519 But it's not a philosophical debate anymore. 959 00:58:45,586 --> 00:58:46,819 This is reality. 960 00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:51,558 And the ordeal you have to go through, 961 00:58:51,626 --> 00:58:55,094 once it's a death penalty case, is considerable. 962 00:58:58,466 --> 00:59:01,768 It's a guaranteed multiple-years ordeal 963 00:59:01,903 --> 00:59:05,572 in terms of just the trial, and after the conviction, 964 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,375 scores of years of appeals and frustration. 965 00:59:09,443 --> 00:59:12,245 And all this time, the focus is on the murderers. 966 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,081 They become mini-celebrities. 967 00:59:15,149 --> 00:59:19,252 You have to go into gruesome detail about what happened, 968 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,789 because the prosecutors must prove that 969 00:59:22,857 --> 00:59:25,425 the aggravating factors outweigh the mitigating factors, 970 00:59:25,492 --> 00:59:28,394 and the aggravating factor is unusually cruel and heinous. 971 00:59:28,462 --> 00:59:32,232 In other words, you have to prove that compared to other triple murders, 972 00:59:32,299 --> 00:59:35,768 this one is much worse. 973 00:59:35,836 --> 00:59:38,538 Once this gets under way, people are not gonna like what they see, 974 00:59:38,606 --> 00:59:41,007 and it's just starting to get under way now. 975 00:59:42,977 --> 00:59:45,645 And so I guess I'd say to Dr. Petit, you know, 976 00:59:45,713 --> 00:59:48,214 I don't know who's giving you advice, 977 00:59:48,282 --> 00:59:51,117 but I think if anyone's implying to you that 978 00:59:51,185 --> 00:59:53,186 there's a realistic hope that these guys 979 00:59:53,254 --> 00:59:58,591 would ever actually be executed, I think they're misleading you. 980 00:59:58,659 --> 01:00:02,429 The one and only time we had an execution here, in my lifetime, 981 01:00:02,496 --> 01:00:05,031 in Connecticut, was this guy Michael Ross, 982 01:00:05,099 --> 01:00:08,702 and that was after 25 years of drama to get to that point, 983 01:00:08,770 --> 01:00:11,471 and the guy asked to be executed. 984 01:00:11,539 --> 01:00:15,775 The reality is that you'll feel like you're making progress every day, 985 01:00:15,843 --> 01:00:17,811 but it's gonna go on forever. 986 01:00:48,642 --> 01:00:54,647 It'll probably be two years before they even start selecting of the jury. 987 01:01:00,621 --> 01:01:02,689 I'm getting pretty old. 988 01:01:02,757 --> 01:01:06,726 I hope I live long enough so that I can attend the trial. 989 01:01:08,796 --> 01:01:11,031 I want to see justice done. 990 01:01:14,502 --> 01:01:16,469 "Attention Detective Fran Budwitz 991 01:01:16,537 --> 01:01:18,938 "of the Connecticut State Police. 992 01:01:19,006 --> 01:01:21,641 "I give this statement to aid and assist those" 993 01:01:21,709 --> 01:01:25,512 "who now have the burden and huge responsibility of seeking justice." 994 01:01:27,181 --> 01:01:30,850 "My earliest memories of Steve go back to age four or five. 995 01:01:30,918 --> 01:01:34,955 "Steve presented himself as the apple of everyone's eye. 996 01:01:35,022 --> 01:01:38,959 "What many people did not see was the brother I knew. 997 01:01:39,026 --> 01:01:43,062 "Being young and naive, I arrived home from school in seventh grade. 998 01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:47,000 "Steven and his friends were using the oven to dry out some marijuana. 999 01:01:47,067 --> 01:01:49,202 "He turned on the burner on the stove. 1000 01:01:49,269 --> 01:01:52,105 "He told me it was really cool and put my hand over it. 1001 01:01:52,173 --> 01:01:54,841 "'It's cool. You won't get hurt.' 1002 01:01:54,942 --> 01:01:57,176 "As soon as I put my hand over the burner, 1003 01:01:57,244 --> 01:01:59,780 "he pushed my hand onto the hot burner 1004 01:01:59,847 --> 01:02:03,717 "and I had ring scars that lasted for months. 1005 01:02:03,784 --> 01:02:06,019 "To say there hasn't been a history of violence, 1006 01:02:06,087 --> 01:02:10,223 "well, this should, this should serve to say the predisposition was there. 1007 01:02:11,092 --> 01:02:14,094 "It was always there. 1008 01:02:14,162 --> 01:02:19,065 "Within two months of moving, Steve took my mother's car in the middle of the night. 1009 01:02:19,133 --> 01:02:21,434 "Upon calling the police, the relationship 1010 01:02:21,502 --> 01:02:26,039 "with my mom, Steven, and the law enforcement officials began. 1011 01:02:26,107 --> 01:02:28,308 "Steven is not sick. 1012 01:02:28,376 --> 01:02:31,010 "Steven is cunning and calculating. 1013 01:02:32,346 --> 01:02:34,414 "Please exercise discretion. 1014 01:02:35,383 --> 01:02:37,551 "I will assist how I can. 1015 01:02:37,618 --> 01:02:42,155 "However, there is enough to hang him without any family involvement. 1016 01:02:42,223 --> 01:02:44,857 "Steven is alone. He will answer to God, 1017 01:02:44,925 --> 01:02:47,427 "he will answer to the law, and my prayer is" 1018 01:02:47,495 --> 01:02:51,864 "he will answer to himself, before fate hands him his final sentence." 1019 01:03:08,215 --> 01:03:09,715 I don't know. 1020 01:03:12,253 --> 01:03:17,056 I'd like to be there from the beginning of each trial through the end of each one. 1021 01:03:19,394 --> 01:03:23,563 If there are things to look at that they had to endure, 1022 01:03:23,631 --> 01:03:26,198 I feel like it's part of my life to know 1023 01:03:26,266 --> 01:03:30,202 what they lived through or died through, 1024 01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:34,206 and I just feel like it's not to punish ourselves, 1025 01:03:34,274 --> 01:03:38,077 it's just to know in the end and have that finality of... 1026 01:03:38,145 --> 01:03:42,281 "Oh, this is how it looked. This is what they say they did." 1027 01:03:51,692 --> 01:03:54,060 "A thief in the night, I've come to steal 1028 01:03:54,127 --> 01:03:59,032 "not jewels and money, but your personal safety, privacy, and security. 1029 01:04:01,035 --> 01:04:05,371 "I violate your inner asylum of intimacy. 1030 01:04:05,439 --> 01:04:09,175 "I piss on your optical illusion of peace and innocence. 1031 01:04:10,044 --> 01:04:12,244 "I feast on your animosity." 1032 01:04:14,615 --> 01:04:16,950 "The Petit family passed through their fear 1033 01:04:17,017 --> 01:04:19,886 "into the calm waters of abject terror, 1034 01:04:19,954 --> 01:04:25,091 "like mesmerized rabbits cornered by a springing predator. 1035 01:04:25,158 --> 01:04:29,062 "To see that fear, that emotional pain I feel every day 1036 01:04:29,129 --> 01:04:33,700 "manifested on another's face validates that this pain in me is real. 1037 01:04:38,739 --> 01:04:41,041 "The shockwaves of my self's hopelessness 1038 01:04:41,108 --> 01:04:44,310 "reverberated its bitterness through my rocked soul 1039 01:04:44,377 --> 01:04:49,248 "at the realization that I crossed life's bridge of depravity. 1040 01:04:49,316 --> 01:04:54,286 "The awakening of my shadow, repressed within, reaching its zenith that morning 1041 01:04:54,354 --> 01:04:57,289 "with rapturous control of Michaela." 1042 01:04:57,357 --> 01:04:59,258 "Her age was insignificant." 1043 01:05:01,295 --> 01:05:02,562 Come on, Shadow. Come on, Rummy. 1044 01:05:02,629 --> 01:05:06,465 Inside. Let's go. Let's go. Inside. 1045 01:05:06,533 --> 01:05:10,637 On the phone, Joshua denied raping the 11-year-old, 1046 01:05:10,705 --> 01:05:13,739 but I knew Joshua raped that 11-year-old. 1047 01:05:14,608 --> 01:05:17,277 I just knew. And he kept... 1048 01:05:17,345 --> 01:05:21,181 Joshua kept telling me that he didn't and I didn't believe him. 1049 01:05:21,248 --> 01:05:22,648 I couldn't believe him. 1050 01:05:22,716 --> 01:05:27,454 Because I was raped in ninth grade, and... 1051 01:05:30,157 --> 01:05:31,858 Hold on a minute. 1052 01:05:41,002 --> 01:05:45,872 Before I left, I told him about it. 1053 01:05:52,813 --> 01:05:56,216 I know he didn't know Michaela at the time, 1054 01:05:56,283 --> 01:05:59,419 but I feel like maybe he was thinking of a Michaela 1055 01:05:59,487 --> 01:06:01,621 while he was doing that stuff to me. 1056 01:06:06,593 --> 01:06:09,062 Punishment that would be good enough for him 1057 01:06:09,129 --> 01:06:12,766 would be having done to him what he'd done to them. 1058 01:06:35,655 --> 01:06:37,156 Roll cue to video. 1059 01:06:37,224 --> 01:06:39,792 Sure. One, two, three, four, five. 1060 01:06:39,860 --> 01:06:43,596 There are two suspects, but Steven Hayes goes on trial first. 1061 01:06:43,664 --> 01:06:45,098 He is in court today. 1062 01:06:45,166 --> 01:06:47,100 But he looks very different from his mug shot. 1063 01:06:47,167 --> 01:06:50,603 He's lost weight, he's in a regular striped shirt and pants. 1064 01:06:50,671 --> 01:06:52,838 No handcuffs on him in front of the jury. 1065 01:06:52,906 --> 01:06:55,809 And it is because this case has gotten so much publicity 1066 01:06:55,876 --> 01:06:58,978 that picking an impartial jury could be difficult. 1067 01:06:59,046 --> 01:07:00,880 Sunny, you were inside the courtroom today. 1068 01:07:00,948 --> 01:07:03,850 What sort of state did Komisarjevsky appear to be in? 1069 01:07:03,918 --> 01:07:06,719 He's much heavier now. He sort of has a buzz cut. 1070 01:07:06,787 --> 01:07:10,957 Komisarjevsky is dressed in a suit and engaged in the process. 1071 01:07:11,024 --> 01:07:13,559 Now, if you're wondering how long this is all going to last, 1072 01:07:13,627 --> 01:07:15,261 we're talking about several months. 1073 01:07:15,329 --> 01:07:18,765 This morning, the judge told the... 1074 01:07:18,832 --> 01:07:21,000 From the courthouse, I don't think Cheshire's 1075 01:07:21,067 --> 01:07:23,836 but about a 15 minute drive. 1076 01:07:23,904 --> 01:07:26,038 Everybody knew this case. 1077 01:07:26,106 --> 01:07:30,143 Terry Nichols, Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bombing cases 1078 01:07:30,210 --> 01:07:31,744 were number two and three. 1079 01:07:31,812 --> 01:07:33,545 Komisarjevsky was number one. 1080 01:07:35,916 --> 01:07:38,484 Talking to almost 2,000 prospective jurors, 1081 01:07:38,552 --> 01:07:41,887 everyone had made conclusions based on the publicity, 1082 01:07:41,955 --> 01:07:44,257 and that conclusion was very clear. 1083 01:07:44,324 --> 01:07:47,827 Joshua Komisarjevsky was guilty. 1084 01:07:47,894 --> 01:07:52,765 75% also expressed the opinion that Joshua should die. 1085 01:07:52,866 --> 01:07:56,302 I've never had a jury selection where people would jump out of their seats... 1086 01:07:56,370 --> 01:07:58,471 "I'll kill him now." 1087 01:07:58,539 --> 01:08:01,007 It's in the news, Internet. How could you miss it? 1088 01:08:01,074 --> 01:08:02,809 What did you think when you saw him? 1089 01:08:03,877 --> 01:08:07,213 Um, I just think he's a murderer. 1090 01:08:25,198 --> 01:08:28,301 "Frustrating day, but two more jurors were selected. 1091 01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:33,606 That came in at 8:13 this morning. 1092 01:08:33,674 --> 01:08:38,545 "Still need four more jurors, six alternates, and two substitutes." 1093 01:08:44,051 --> 01:08:46,185 So it's about 11:00, this morning, 1094 01:08:46,253 --> 01:08:51,190 my time, Pacific time, and one of Steven's attorney's called. 1095 01:08:51,258 --> 01:08:55,561 They went in to check on him this morning and he was unresponsive. 1096 01:08:55,629 --> 01:08:59,798 Steven's lying in a coma induced by, you know, a medical team. 1097 01:08:59,867 --> 01:09:02,268 They're not sharing why. 1098 01:09:02,369 --> 01:09:05,238 You know, the attorney said that he could very well die. 1099 01:09:06,941 --> 01:09:09,675 And they're expected to be back in court tomorrow. 1100 01:09:11,078 --> 01:09:13,880 They can't proceed without him in the room. 1101 01:09:18,352 --> 01:09:22,021 Steven squirreled away nine 1102 01:09:22,088 --> 01:09:27,693 or so doses of Thorazine and Klonopin. 1103 01:09:27,761 --> 01:09:31,697 And you might question how this could happen. 1104 01:09:31,765 --> 01:09:36,202 About a year before this, Steven Hayes had made a suicide attempt 1105 01:09:36,270 --> 01:09:40,440 and one of the things they found in his cell was a suicide note. 1106 01:09:40,507 --> 01:09:44,977 I quote, "I am sorry. All I want to do is die." 1107 01:09:45,045 --> 01:09:47,280 "It is the only way to end the pain I go through 1108 01:09:47,347 --> 01:09:49,982 "every day 24/7, and more important, 1109 01:09:50,050 --> 01:09:52,819 "the pain that trial will bring to others. 1110 01:09:52,886 --> 01:09:56,388 "Time to go to the last undiscovered country. 1111 01:09:56,456 --> 01:10:01,127 "Although I am not the monster that Josh is, I am one nevertheless. 1112 01:10:01,195 --> 01:10:04,931 "A coward, because I could not do what was right. 1113 01:10:04,998 --> 01:10:07,166 "Looking back on my life, I was nothing 1114 01:10:07,234 --> 01:10:11,437 "but a self-centered asshole who cared only of himself. 1115 01:10:11,505 --> 01:10:16,676 "But the ironic facet to this is I have always had the ability to change." 1116 01:10:16,743 --> 01:10:20,013 "But cowards don't change. They become me." 1117 01:10:25,052 --> 01:10:28,321 The judge actually toured Hayes' cell yesterday. 1118 01:10:28,389 --> 01:10:33,359 It's called a safe cell, which will protect him from harming himself. 1119 01:10:33,427 --> 01:10:36,429 He learned a lot. He also wears something called Ferguson clothing, 1120 01:10:36,497 --> 01:10:40,132 which an inmate wears if they're in jeopardy of killing themselves, 1121 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,536 because they can't tear up the clothes and use it as a noose. 1122 01:10:44,938 --> 01:10:46,538 Is it on? Yeah. 1123 01:10:50,477 --> 01:10:52,412 Good day. Good morning. 1124 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,780 How difficult, Dr. Petit, is it to sit in there 1125 01:10:54,848 --> 01:11:00,086 and have them discuss Hayes' conditions in prison for two hours at a time, 1126 01:11:00,154 --> 01:11:02,588 the lights being on? 1127 01:11:02,656 --> 01:11:05,992 Uh, it's difficult. Uh... 1128 01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:08,728 Somehow, it was okay for the defendants 1129 01:11:08,795 --> 01:11:13,098 to bind us and beat us and rape us and torture us 1130 01:11:13,167 --> 01:11:16,502 and set the place on fire, but you can't be, 1131 01:11:16,570 --> 01:11:19,905 can't be held in a cell with the lights on, 1132 01:11:19,973 --> 01:11:22,708 and somehow there's something wrong with that. 1133 01:11:24,478 --> 01:11:26,311 It's surreal. 1134 01:11:26,379 --> 01:11:32,051 The entire prosecution is geared to killing Steven Hayes, 1135 01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:35,688 and so here he is trying to kill himself 1136 01:11:35,756 --> 01:11:37,523 but we won't let him do that, 1137 01:11:37,591 --> 01:11:40,326 because we want to extract our pound of flesh. 1138 01:11:40,393 --> 01:11:45,531 It's really a sick kind of process, in my opinion. 1139 01:12:00,614 --> 01:12:03,715 Tragedy in trial! Front page! 1140 01:12:10,857 --> 01:12:12,992 Right now, both sides are inside this courtroom. 1141 01:12:13,060 --> 01:12:17,563 All eyes are on what's going to happen in these opening arguments. 1142 01:12:17,631 --> 01:12:20,833 The heavy, heavy security around Steven Hayes 1143 01:12:20,901 --> 01:12:24,169 brought in by authorities on a convoy of vehicles... 1144 01:12:24,237 --> 01:12:25,971 There's no cameras allowed in the courtroom, 1145 01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:27,883 so you're not going to see what's actually going on in there, 1146 01:12:27,907 --> 01:12:29,641 but tweeting is allowed. 1147 01:12:29,709 --> 01:12:31,644 A juror has been excused. 1148 01:12:31,711 --> 01:12:35,447 It's because she said she couldn't be fair, because she heard news reports 1149 01:12:35,515 --> 01:12:37,316 of Steven Hayes' suicide attempt. 1150 01:12:37,417 --> 01:12:39,986 This jury will end up making two decisions. 1151 01:12:40,053 --> 01:12:43,022 One will be the guilt or innocence of the defendant, 1152 01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:44,323 and if they find him guilty, 1153 01:12:44,391 --> 01:12:46,192 then they would have to decide 1154 01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:49,528 if he should get the death penalty for the crime. 1155 01:12:56,803 --> 01:13:00,906 Going into the courtroom, Steven Hayes was, like, off to my left. 1156 01:13:02,409 --> 01:13:05,111 I look at him and I think, 1157 01:13:05,113 --> 01:13:07,680 "I still can't believe that you did this." 1158 01:13:11,652 --> 01:13:15,087 I said as soon as I found out that my sister died, 1159 01:13:15,155 --> 01:13:18,324 "Just come into me, be a part of me." 1160 01:13:19,426 --> 01:13:22,395 So I kept staring at him. 1161 01:13:22,463 --> 01:13:26,665 And sometimes I think, "Is that a part of her saying, like, 'Stare at him. 1162 01:13:26,733 --> 01:13:28,167 "'Don't take your eyes off of him." 1163 01:13:28,235 --> 01:13:30,569 "'Like, he, he can't be trusted.'" 1164 01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:38,411 I'd like to say a few things 1165 01:13:38,979 --> 01:13:40,313 to these guys. 1166 01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:47,854 I'd like them to answer me the question, 1167 01:13:47,921 --> 01:13:52,458 do they know what it is to be terrorized? 1168 01:13:56,696 --> 01:13:58,831 After waiting more than three years, 1169 01:13:58,898 --> 01:14:02,501 the Petit and Hawke families are ready for this process to finally begin. 1170 01:14:02,569 --> 01:14:05,437 And are hopeful in the end that justice will prevail, 1171 01:14:05,506 --> 01:14:10,510 and we think of Jennifer, Hayley, and Michaela every second of every day. 1172 01:14:12,746 --> 01:14:14,947 It is a system, you know, and... 1173 01:14:16,616 --> 01:14:19,785 People say it's the best system in the world, 1174 01:14:19,852 --> 01:14:23,989 but it's a, it's a maddening system at best. 1175 01:14:24,057 --> 01:14:26,759 People spend a lot of time parsing words 1176 01:14:26,826 --> 01:14:30,395 instead of really trying to get to 1177 01:14:30,463 --> 01:14:34,833 what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is evil. 1178 01:14:34,901 --> 01:14:37,770 But it's the system we have, so we're hoping... 1179 01:14:37,838 --> 01:14:40,640 We're hoping that the system we have will give us justice. 1180 01:14:46,446 --> 01:14:53,052 Today's date is July 23, 2007. 1181 01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,089 Statement's taking place at the Cheshire Police Department headquarters. 1182 01:14:57,157 --> 01:15:01,260 Joshua Komisarjevsky, do you know why you're here? 1183 01:15:05,732 --> 01:15:09,368 Okay. And you went to Stop and Shop in Cheshire? 1184 01:15:40,433 --> 01:15:46,739 On the night of July 22, Josh and Steven were texting each other. 1185 01:15:48,575 --> 01:15:53,712 Steven texting Josh about "When are we gonna get going?" 1186 01:15:53,780 --> 01:15:58,016 It was kind of like an excitement about going to burglarize this house. 1187 01:16:05,925 --> 01:16:08,760 He drives down to Cheshire. 1188 01:16:08,828 --> 01:16:11,463 He and Josh go to a bar. 1189 01:16:13,099 --> 01:16:16,402 And then they start looking for this house 1190 01:16:16,469 --> 01:16:18,470 that Josh knows about from when they were 1191 01:16:18,538 --> 01:16:20,806 shopping at Stop and Shop earlier. 1192 01:16:22,409 --> 01:16:25,478 It's always been my opinion that he was attracted by 1193 01:16:25,545 --> 01:16:30,782 the young girl Michaela, rather than the money or the Mercedes. 1194 01:16:38,291 --> 01:16:41,460 Josh was born into a family with a history of mental problems. 1195 01:16:41,528 --> 01:16:47,099 Then he was adopted by a family that had no ability to cope with mental problems. 1196 01:16:47,201 --> 01:16:50,703 And so he was doomed by biology, and then he was doomed by fate. 1197 01:16:53,140 --> 01:16:56,909 When Josh was three years old, the family took into the home 1198 01:16:56,977 --> 01:17:00,313 two foster children, a girl and a boy. 1199 01:17:00,380 --> 01:17:04,517 And Josh underwent really horrible and extensive 1200 01:17:04,585 --> 01:17:06,852 sexual abuse at the hand of Scott. 1201 01:17:10,590 --> 01:17:13,125 I think it started off playing little sex games, 1202 01:17:13,193 --> 01:17:16,561 having him pose naked, and then it proceeded to 1203 01:17:16,629 --> 01:17:22,067 full-scale anal intercourse and to Josh's being burned with cigarettes. 1204 01:17:22,135 --> 01:17:24,103 Against the background of all of this, 1205 01:17:24,171 --> 01:17:28,574 Josh is at a church in which it is taught that there is evil in the world 1206 01:17:28,641 --> 01:17:32,845 and probably the greatest abomination of all is homosexuality. 1207 01:17:34,147 --> 01:17:35,948 And so you've got a, what, 1208 01:17:36,016 --> 01:17:38,483 a five-year-old, a six-year-old, a seven year old, 1209 01:17:38,552 --> 01:17:39,919 listening to this 1210 01:17:39,986 --> 01:17:42,787 and thinking to himself that I am fundamentally evil, 1211 01:17:42,855 --> 01:17:45,324 I have engaged in that kind of activity, 1212 01:17:45,392 --> 01:17:47,626 and really not being able to tell anybody about it. 1213 01:17:51,564 --> 01:17:55,667 There's a theme that I saw in Steven's life of... 1214 01:17:57,871 --> 01:17:59,505 Of betrayal. 1215 01:18:00,974 --> 01:18:04,710 Steven had been sexually abused as a child, 1216 01:18:04,778 --> 01:18:11,350 which led him to become more emotionally disconnected from people. 1217 01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:18,990 The turning towards drugs and the desperate state of mind that he found himself in, 1218 01:18:19,058 --> 01:18:24,763 all of this helped explain how Steven could've done what he had done. 1219 01:19:40,139 --> 01:19:41,406 - You did? - Yeah. 1220 01:20:01,227 --> 01:20:04,763 KK. Obviously she told you her nickname or whatever is KK, 1221 01:20:04,831 --> 01:20:05,898 or you made that up? 1222 01:20:20,546 --> 01:20:23,281 I met Josh when I was 13. 1223 01:20:23,349 --> 01:20:27,352 Josh's parents started attending the church that we went to, 1224 01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:29,254 the Evangelical Bible Church. 1225 01:20:31,591 --> 01:20:35,227 And we dated, we were in a relationship for about two years. 1226 01:20:35,295 --> 01:20:39,898 We started dating when I was 14 or 15 1227 01:20:39,966 --> 01:20:42,534 and then our relationship was ended by the church. 1228 01:20:45,972 --> 01:20:48,006 Throughout the whole course of our relationship, 1229 01:20:48,074 --> 01:20:50,508 we were always trying to not have sex. 1230 01:20:50,576 --> 01:20:55,447 That was the goal. It felt deeply, deeply sinful. 1231 01:20:58,451 --> 01:21:01,019 Our church community was our home school community. 1232 01:21:02,922 --> 01:21:05,524 And Josh's family and mine as well 1233 01:21:05,592 --> 01:21:09,661 had a very specific idea of good and evil. 1234 01:21:12,932 --> 01:21:17,235 The devil was understood to be an entity that you could know, 1235 01:21:18,371 --> 01:21:21,206 so if Josh had anxiety, it was the devil. 1236 01:21:21,274 --> 01:21:26,010 If he did something wrong, it was because he was being used as an agent of the devil. 1237 01:21:29,182 --> 01:21:35,087 Josh spoke some to me about the sexual abuse that had happened to him. 1238 01:21:35,155 --> 01:21:39,925 But there wasn't even a way for him to tell me without weeping. 1239 01:21:41,928 --> 01:21:45,631 Josh had terrible anxiety attacks. 1240 01:21:45,699 --> 01:21:48,501 His home was not ever safe for him. 1241 01:21:50,537 --> 01:21:55,073 The safe place was being away and hiding in the woods. 1242 01:21:58,411 --> 01:22:01,914 He was trespassing and sneaking around, 1243 01:22:01,981 --> 01:22:09,187 spying on people, long before it was a criminal offense. 1244 01:22:09,255 --> 01:22:13,291 I think that he envied people and he would daydream about being them. 1245 01:22:21,634 --> 01:22:26,104 They find beer in the refrigerator and drink throughout the night. 1246 01:22:27,707 --> 01:22:31,910 Steven finds jars of quarters and coins. 1247 01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:35,747 They found a Bank of America book 1248 01:22:35,815 --> 01:22:39,117 and they're waiting for the morning. 1249 01:22:40,286 --> 01:22:44,255 However, Steven worries that 1250 01:22:44,323 --> 01:22:48,026 he's gonna leave DNA evidence in the house, and he starts... 1251 01:22:50,029 --> 01:22:51,697 Obsessing. 1252 01:22:51,764 --> 01:22:55,367 And Josh tells him, "Fire destroys everything." 1253 01:22:55,434 --> 01:22:58,736 "We'll get the people out and we'll burn the house down, 1254 01:22:58,804 --> 01:23:01,317 "we'll get them somewhere, and then we'll get the hell out of here." 1255 01:23:01,341 --> 01:23:03,575 That's what Steven was thinking about. 1256 01:23:05,744 --> 01:23:07,713 Steven goes into the garage. 1257 01:23:07,780 --> 01:23:12,451 He finds containers and starts driving to find a gas station. 1258 01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:25,030 When Steven gets back with the gasoline, 1259 01:23:25,097 --> 01:23:27,232 Josh had changed the clothes of Michaela 1260 01:23:27,299 --> 01:23:30,102 because of activity that he was involved with 1261 01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:32,972 in terms of sexually abusing her. 1262 01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:39,678 And part of that occurred while Steven was out on the gas run, 1263 01:23:39,746 --> 01:23:42,280 because we know that because of Josh's photographs 1264 01:23:42,348 --> 01:23:45,984 that he took on his cell phone before the bank. 1265 01:23:51,191 --> 01:23:56,095 The first set of photographs, you know, showed Michaela. 1266 01:23:56,162 --> 01:24:00,065 There were leg shots and genital area shots, but they were clothed. 1267 01:24:01,867 --> 01:24:05,270 The last shots while they were at the bank were much more graphic. 1268 01:24:05,338 --> 01:24:07,739 Really awful, awful, awful photographs. 1269 01:24:07,807 --> 01:24:10,308 Those are the kinds of things you never forget. 1270 01:24:10,376 --> 01:24:12,844 They kind of become emblazoned in your mind. 1271 01:24:15,148 --> 01:24:20,385 It just shows the level of depravity of Joshua Komisarjevsky. 1272 01:24:29,795 --> 01:24:32,164 Joshua was committed, against the wishes of his parents, 1273 01:24:32,232 --> 01:24:35,633 he was committed and spent, I think, two weeks at Elmcrest. 1274 01:24:38,071 --> 01:24:43,141 He was clearly in terrible shape and suicidal. 1275 01:24:45,712 --> 01:24:48,013 The records are very clear that Joshua 1276 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:53,785 wanted to try the medication, Joshua wanted the therapy, but the parents rejected it. 1277 01:24:53,852 --> 01:24:58,190 Not only did the parents reject it, but they immediately took him up 1278 01:24:58,258 --> 01:25:02,293 to the Alton Bay Christian Center. 1279 01:25:02,361 --> 01:25:05,964 People would say that he was seeing demons and he believed that. 1280 01:25:06,032 --> 01:25:07,733 And would pray that they'd go away. 1281 01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,840 And people would gather around him and pray over him 1282 01:25:09,869 --> 01:25:12,871 and lay hands on him and speak in tongues over him. 1283 01:25:14,173 --> 01:25:15,940 Exorcism? 1284 01:25:16,009 --> 01:25:21,613 That was kind of a regular part of our lives when it came to dealing with anxiety. 1285 01:25:21,681 --> 01:25:27,218 He ended up breaking into my room at the discipleship house to come and see me. 1286 01:25:27,286 --> 01:25:30,121 He was essentially excommunicated for doing that. 1287 01:25:32,291 --> 01:25:37,495 His whole life, everything, was just gone. Overnight. 1288 01:25:37,563 --> 01:25:41,433 There was no addressing that perhaps this was a desperate kid 1289 01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:46,338 who actually didn't, wasn't wrestling with the devil 1290 01:25:46,405 --> 01:25:50,308 but had experienced trauma and was losing his grip. 1291 01:25:57,117 --> 01:25:59,951 Some people called our office asking if we would, 1292 01:26:00,019 --> 01:26:01,720 we would take Josh on, in spite of, 1293 01:26:01,787 --> 01:26:07,859 some of his legal difficulties as a member of our tour. 1294 01:26:07,927 --> 01:26:11,363 I just gave Josh a little bit of responsibility 1295 01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:15,733 and let him know that I expected him to be a leader, and he blossomed. 1296 01:26:15,735 --> 01:26:18,369 He just loved it. 1297 01:26:18,437 --> 01:26:23,808 We came to the end of that tour and it was a good tour. 1298 01:26:23,876 --> 01:26:27,245 I think it wasn't long after that that Josh joined the Reserves. 1299 01:26:29,515 --> 01:26:32,217 Then he was discharged. 1300 01:26:34,220 --> 01:26:38,523 And then that's when his troubles started again. 1301 01:26:48,601 --> 01:26:53,304 Morning rolls around. They untie Mrs. Petit. 1302 01:26:54,306 --> 01:26:56,441 Steven takes her to the bank. 1303 01:26:59,111 --> 01:27:01,012 Mrs. Petit is in the bank. 1304 01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,548 It's taking longer than he thought. 1305 01:27:21,768 --> 01:27:24,869 - You performed oral sex on KK? - On KK. 1306 01:27:30,243 --> 01:27:31,910 Did you take pictures of her? 1307 01:27:42,922 --> 01:27:45,056 Now, did you say you let her get dressed again? 1308 01:27:45,124 --> 01:27:48,192 How, how is it she came upon being undressed? 1309 01:27:48,261 --> 01:27:50,294 Because you originally said she was dressed. 1310 01:27:58,538 --> 01:28:00,772 No one disputes that he committed this crime. 1311 01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,774 Eventually, he tells the police officer 1312 01:28:02,841 --> 01:28:07,012 that while Hayes is gone, he goes upstairs and sexually assaults KK. 1313 01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,481 At that point, the judge stops the tape. 1314 01:28:09,549 --> 01:28:11,516 He says, "A juror is having problems" 1315 01:28:11,584 --> 01:28:13,418 "with this testimony, with this evidence," 1316 01:28:13,486 --> 01:28:15,320 and that he's gonna stop it for the day 1317 01:28:15,388 --> 01:28:16,955 and they will continue again tomorrow. 1318 01:28:17,022 --> 01:28:20,458 A very difficult day in court here. 1319 01:28:20,526 --> 01:28:23,929 We're good. 1320 01:28:25,064 --> 01:28:26,764 Thank you very much. 1321 01:28:32,171 --> 01:28:37,842 Komisarjevsky was calling my youngest niece "KK." 1322 01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:41,046 Like, you know, who are you to be using that term 1323 01:28:41,113 --> 01:28:44,149 and calling her this, like, term of endearment that we use? 1324 01:28:45,985 --> 01:28:48,553 Okay, you show me that baseball bat again 1325 01:28:48,621 --> 01:28:52,791 that you hit Billy with and I'll show you how it feels. 1326 01:28:54,059 --> 01:28:55,761 You want them to lose a daughter. 1327 01:28:55,828 --> 01:28:57,362 You want their house to burn down. 1328 01:28:57,429 --> 01:29:00,431 You want them to see how it feels. 1329 01:29:00,499 --> 01:29:03,601 And, and other times, you think, "Gosh, who am I?" 1330 01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:07,839 Like, "This is wicked. How could I wish this on anybody?" 1331 01:29:19,818 --> 01:29:22,420 Steven is becoming anxious. 1332 01:29:23,255 --> 01:29:26,158 He calls Joshua. 1333 01:29:26,225 --> 01:29:29,461 Joshua tells him, "Everything's gonna be fine. The plan is gonna work." 1334 01:29:31,130 --> 01:29:34,699 After a period of time, Mrs. Petit comes out of the bank with money. 1335 01:29:36,635 --> 01:29:39,437 When they arrive back at the house, 1336 01:29:39,505 --> 01:29:45,409 Steven is under the belief that the crime is over. Now they could leave. 1337 01:29:45,477 --> 01:29:50,782 But Joshua tells Steven that, "We have a problem." 1338 01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:53,151 He had left DNA with one of the children 1339 01:29:53,218 --> 01:29:55,353 and he had to kill them and their dad, 1340 01:29:55,420 --> 01:29:57,989 and Dr. Petit had died from the injuries, 1341 01:29:58,057 --> 01:30:02,660 and that now he had to get his hands dirty and kill Mrs. Petit. 1342 01:30:05,531 --> 01:30:07,965 I believe Steven. 1343 01:30:08,033 --> 01:30:11,703 But from the first time that Josh talked to the police, 1344 01:30:11,804 --> 01:30:15,840 he tried to save himself by blaming Steven for all the horrific stuff that occurred. 1345 01:30:55,381 --> 01:31:00,085 Steven tells me that he felt betrayed by Josh, 1346 01:31:00,152 --> 01:31:07,058 that he felt dragged into this horror of a crime, 1347 01:31:07,126 --> 01:31:13,698 and he also felt, in a crazy way, betrayed by Mrs. Petit, 1348 01:31:13,765 --> 01:31:19,471 because he looks out the window and he sees police cars. 1349 01:31:19,539 --> 01:31:25,377 And he realizes that Mrs. Petit must have informed bank officials. 1350 01:31:26,779 --> 01:31:30,715 He is triggered into this state of rage. 1351 01:31:33,051 --> 01:31:36,921 He strangles Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 1352 01:31:36,989 --> 01:31:41,226 he pulls down her pants, pulls her legs up, 1353 01:31:41,294 --> 01:31:45,530 and he vaginally rapes her after he strangles her. 1354 01:31:49,234 --> 01:31:50,735 Which is where the dad was. 1355 01:32:13,192 --> 01:32:16,428 Steven hears Josh telling him they have to leave. 1356 01:32:16,495 --> 01:32:18,963 Spread the gasoline and let's get out of here. 1357 01:32:46,225 --> 01:32:48,059 Why did you close the doors? 1358 01:32:48,127 --> 01:32:49,627 I don't, I don't... 1359 01:32:49,695 --> 01:32:51,655 You knew they were tied, but you closed the doors. 1360 01:33:06,545 --> 01:33:08,712 Empty bottles of... 1361 01:33:08,948 --> 01:33:11,028 Of gasoline, so he went back up with another bottle? 1362 01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,593 Okay. 1363 01:33:59,064 --> 01:34:01,632 All of these family members that have had to relive 1364 01:34:01,701 --> 01:34:05,636 the horror of what happened inside of that home the night they were all tied up, 1365 01:34:05,705 --> 01:34:07,849 has been heartbreaking to watch inside of the courtroom. 1366 01:34:07,873 --> 01:34:11,442 The images have been absolutely devastating of the crime scene... 1367 01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:15,346 When it's all put out in front of you, it's very gruesome. 1368 01:34:15,414 --> 01:34:19,483 It's, it's insane to just hear and it's just affected the whole town 1369 01:34:19,551 --> 01:34:22,153 and it's like the whole town is just reliving it all again, 1370 01:34:22,221 --> 01:34:24,856 and it's not easy for all of us. 1371 01:34:31,096 --> 01:34:35,700 These are pictures of, like, the accelerant pattern that they showed. 1372 01:34:35,768 --> 01:34:39,370 How they went from, like, where Hayley's body was upstairs 1373 01:34:39,438 --> 01:34:41,339 into her bedroom and onto her bed 1374 01:34:41,407 --> 01:34:45,276 and then down the hall and into Michaela's bedroom and onto her bed. 1375 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,082 And when they finally put the fire detective on the stand, 1376 01:34:51,150 --> 01:34:57,288 I saw Michaela was tied and she had gasoline dumped on her 1377 01:34:57,355 --> 01:35:00,424 while she was alive and alert, 1378 01:35:00,492 --> 01:35:03,361 and that at least Hayley, I know, 1379 01:35:03,428 --> 01:35:06,931 was probably burning while she was breathing. 1380 01:35:06,999 --> 01:35:09,434 And that was just a really hard thing to learn, 1381 01:35:09,501 --> 01:35:16,040 because I never really knew if the girls were alive when they were burning or not, 1382 01:35:16,107 --> 01:35:20,210 and it kind of was made true to us 1383 01:35:20,278 --> 01:35:22,413 that, that was the case with Hayley, 1384 01:35:22,481 --> 01:35:25,216 that she had walked while she was on fire, 1385 01:35:25,283 --> 01:35:27,485 because she fell down and the front of her 1386 01:35:27,553 --> 01:35:31,188 was more burned than the back of her. 1387 01:35:32,892 --> 01:35:34,726 I was crying and I just felt like. 1388 01:35:34,794 --> 01:35:39,297 I wanted to get out of that courtroom and scream and just say, you know, 1389 01:35:39,365 --> 01:35:41,566 "I can't believe what's going on in there." 1390 01:35:41,633 --> 01:35:45,135 You know, I just... It's making me so angry, 1391 01:35:45,203 --> 01:35:48,105 and I can't understand why somebody couldn't have 1392 01:35:48,173 --> 01:35:51,175 ventilated that house for the girls while they were still alive, 1393 01:35:51,243 --> 01:35:55,880 and I just... I want it to be so different. 1394 01:35:55,948 --> 01:35:58,115 We're finally seeing the defense 1395 01:35:58,183 --> 01:36:03,187 giving tough questioning to the Cheshire police officers who initially responded 1396 01:36:03,222 --> 01:36:05,423 to the call of that home invasion. 1397 01:36:05,490 --> 01:36:07,392 The officers said they followed protocol. 1398 01:36:07,460 --> 01:36:09,760 Doctor William Petit has always supported 1399 01:36:09,828 --> 01:36:12,163 the actions of the Cheshire Police Department. 1400 01:36:12,231 --> 01:36:14,966 One captain testifying that the incident 1401 01:36:15,033 --> 01:36:17,935 did not make sense at first, and he said, 1402 01:36:18,003 --> 01:36:20,438 "It still doesn't make sense today." 1403 01:36:42,294 --> 01:36:44,662 Steven admitted to killing the mom. 1404 01:36:44,730 --> 01:36:46,330 He admitted to raping the mom. 1405 01:36:46,599 --> 01:36:49,433 He admitted to spreading gasoline, 1406 01:36:49,501 --> 01:36:51,035 I mean, so it's not like 1407 01:36:51,102 --> 01:36:55,340 he was trying to get himself out from under in any way. 1408 01:36:55,674 --> 01:37:01,179 And yet Josh was getting this story out that Steven knew was false. 1409 01:37:01,246 --> 01:37:05,250 Joshua tried to minimize the sexual assault, not make it out to be a rape, 1410 01:37:05,317 --> 01:37:09,888 that it was just contact and ejaculation, which is absurd given 1411 01:37:09,955 --> 01:37:12,423 the scientific evidence that exists. 1412 01:37:12,490 --> 01:37:18,162 He tried to blame Steven solely for being the person who initiated 1413 01:37:18,164 --> 01:37:20,565 the gasoline and lighting the gasoline 1414 01:37:20,632 --> 01:37:23,801 when there's gasoline on both of their clothes. 1415 01:37:23,869 --> 01:37:27,972 Josh Komisarjevsky was the one who was suggesting 1416 01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:32,676 that they go into a house where people were, 1417 01:37:32,744 --> 01:37:35,746 and for Steven, this was a foolish thing, because he was 1418 01:37:35,814 --> 01:37:40,184 obviously, with a guy who was uncontrollable. 1419 01:37:44,589 --> 01:37:50,795 And I think it haunts him, really haunts him, as to why he didn't walk away. 1420 01:37:53,265 --> 01:37:56,734 Steven's in an isolation cell 24 hours a day. 1421 01:37:59,004 --> 01:38:02,574 He has nightmares. He has nightmares about his own kid burning. 1422 01:38:04,577 --> 01:38:09,313 This is the way his incarceration will last, forever. 1423 01:38:09,448 --> 01:38:13,484 So, you know, I don't know why we have to kill 1424 01:38:13,551 --> 01:38:16,154 someone who's in a position like that. 1425 01:38:16,221 --> 01:38:18,689 It's like being buried alive. 1426 01:38:22,694 --> 01:38:25,396 We, the defense team, always believed 1427 01:38:25,463 --> 01:38:28,565 that Joshua never had the intention to kill anybody. 1428 01:38:30,635 --> 01:38:33,637 After he bashed Dr. Petit's head several times, 1429 01:38:33,705 --> 01:38:36,140 later on, he got a towel. 1430 01:38:36,208 --> 01:38:39,043 He wiped the blood away from Dr. Petit's head. 1431 01:38:39,111 --> 01:38:43,014 He then got two pillows, put them behind his back, 1432 01:38:43,082 --> 01:38:45,550 and he got two cushions, and his explanation, 1433 01:38:45,617 --> 01:38:48,218 which is in his confession, was that he did so 1434 01:38:48,286 --> 01:38:51,021 because he thought Dr. Petit wasn't comfortable enough, 1435 01:38:51,089 --> 01:38:53,223 and he was concerned about his comfort. 1436 01:38:56,061 --> 01:38:59,063 Why didn't he simply walk in and undo the bindings? 1437 01:39:00,365 --> 01:39:03,133 Dr. Leo Shea, a neuropsychologist, testified 1438 01:39:03,201 --> 01:39:07,571 that Joshua was unable to make quick decisions in stressful situations. 1439 01:39:10,809 --> 01:39:16,213 What occurred with Michaela is absolutely unexplainable. 1440 01:39:16,281 --> 01:39:21,719 Such a horrendous crime committed on such a young girl. 1441 01:39:21,786 --> 01:39:24,522 People go to jail for a long time for crimes like that, 1442 01:39:24,589 --> 01:39:26,891 but you don't get the death penalty. 1443 01:39:28,526 --> 01:39:32,830 When Joshua was apprehended, when he was pulled from the car, 1444 01:39:32,898 --> 01:39:34,532 he was straight with the police. 1445 01:39:34,599 --> 01:39:36,811 When Steven Hayes was pulled from the car, he gave a phony name, 1446 01:39:36,835 --> 01:39:38,580 and when asked, "Was there anybody in the house?", 1447 01:39:38,604 --> 01:39:40,071 he said, "I don't know." 1448 01:39:40,138 --> 01:39:41,872 When Joshua was pulled from the car, 1449 01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:45,342 he gave his name and he said, "There's a woman inside," 1450 01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:47,812 "I believe she's dead, and upstairs there's two girls," 1451 01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:51,082 and he expressed to the police that there was some urgency to the situation, 1452 01:39:51,149 --> 01:39:54,318 which was pretty obvious because at that time, the house was burning. 1453 01:39:54,385 --> 01:39:58,355 To me, these are things that are inconsistent with intending to kill somebody. 1454 01:40:11,503 --> 01:40:14,538 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1455 01:40:14,606 --> 01:40:16,407 Everybody came here safe, 1456 01:40:16,474 --> 01:40:19,410 you know, just to support. 1457 01:40:19,478 --> 01:40:23,614 You know, the teachers, after Michaela died, said, uh... 1458 01:40:23,681 --> 01:40:25,349 Whenever, uh... 1459 01:40:32,057 --> 01:40:35,459 Whenever someone in the class... 1460 01:40:41,099 --> 01:40:45,603 She said, "Dr. Petit, I just have to tell you that" 1461 01:40:45,605 --> 01:40:48,372 "your daughter Michaela was always the one to" 1462 01:40:48,374 --> 01:40:50,007 "go with the kid who was excluded," 1463 01:40:50,075 --> 01:40:52,343 and I thank you for standing up for justice 1464 01:40:52,411 --> 01:40:54,545 and what is morally and ethically correct. 1465 01:40:54,613 --> 01:40:56,280 Thank you. 1466 01:41:07,326 --> 01:41:09,693 Dr. Petit is pretty much out there 1467 01:41:09,761 --> 01:41:15,700 with his foundation, which is obviously a really good thing and should be supported, 1468 01:41:15,767 --> 01:41:20,070 but we're in the middle of the state trying to get the death penalty. 1469 01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:27,378 So, as much as I have incredible sympathy for him, 1470 01:41:27,445 --> 01:41:32,383 I think his outspokenness in this case 1471 01:41:32,451 --> 01:41:36,754 has really affected any ability to get a fair trial 1472 01:41:36,822 --> 01:41:39,590 for either of these two defendants. 1473 01:41:39,658 --> 01:41:40,891 What happened, what was said 1474 01:41:40,959 --> 01:41:42,827 during that conversation with Dr. Petit 1475 01:41:42,894 --> 01:41:45,897 that made you just make a 180? 1476 01:41:45,899 --> 01:41:49,633 Dr. Petit came in with his sister-in-law, Mrs. Chapman. 1477 01:41:50,869 --> 01:41:54,205 They said if the legislature this year 1478 01:41:54,506 --> 01:41:56,641 votes to repeal the death penalty, 1479 01:41:57,776 --> 01:42:00,411 it'll make it harder for the jury 1480 01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:04,215 to make the decision of the death penalty 1481 01:42:04,283 --> 01:42:08,952 for this monster, this Komisarjevsky. 1482 01:42:09,020 --> 01:42:11,555 I can only imagine that one-on-one conversation. 1483 01:42:11,623 --> 01:42:13,557 You're sitting as close as probably we are now. 1484 01:42:13,625 --> 01:42:18,162 You have no idea. I could not bring myself 1485 01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:22,733 to cause this man any more stress. 1486 01:42:22,801 --> 01:42:25,302 He's a monster. He is a monster. 1487 01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:27,137 And I said, "He's such a monster 1488 01:42:27,205 --> 01:42:29,406 "they should hang him by his penis 1489 01:42:29,474 --> 01:42:31,642 "out from a tree in main streets." 1490 01:42:31,710 --> 01:42:36,513 I can't think of anything bad enough that should happen to that man. 1491 01:42:45,257 --> 01:42:50,928 I actually got to see Steve twice, well, the past two Sundays. 1492 01:42:50,996 --> 01:42:52,796 When I first saw him, I wanted to cry, 1493 01:42:52,864 --> 01:42:54,798 because I haven't seen him in so long, 1494 01:42:54,866 --> 01:42:59,003 but I just didn't want to cry under those circumstances. 1495 01:42:59,070 --> 01:43:02,406 You had all the guards standing right on top of you. 1496 01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:07,245 And you can't talk about the trial because, 1497 01:43:07,312 --> 01:43:09,880 like, you know that the phones are pretty tapped. 1498 01:43:12,717 --> 01:43:18,422 I know that that family wants him to be dead and it all to be over with, 1499 01:43:18,489 --> 01:43:22,994 but, like, my side of the family, we just want him to, like, 1500 01:43:23,061 --> 01:43:24,962 take responsibility for what he did 1501 01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:28,266 without the consequence of the death penalty. 1502 01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:30,067 That won't bring anyone back. 1503 01:43:32,170 --> 01:43:34,238 What happened, happened, and his death 1504 01:43:34,306 --> 01:43:37,174 isn't gonna bring about much justice. 1505 01:43:43,147 --> 01:43:45,215 Steven Hayes walked into room 6A. 1506 01:43:45,283 --> 01:43:47,284 For the first time, he saw a familiar face. 1507 01:43:47,352 --> 01:43:49,252 It was his brother Matthew. 1508 01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:52,389 The first time that we believe a Hayes family member has been in court. 1509 01:44:15,613 --> 01:44:17,647 Prosecutor Michael Dearington said, 1510 01:44:17,715 --> 01:44:20,684 "These two beautiful girls and loving mother were killed" 1511 01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:23,253 "because Steven Hayes wanted money." 1512 01:44:23,321 --> 01:44:26,190 Defense attorney Thomas Ullmann argued that life without parole 1513 01:44:26,258 --> 01:44:29,093 is the harshest punishment Steven Hayes could be given. 1514 01:44:37,468 --> 01:44:38,936 State's attorney, Gary Nicholson, 1515 01:44:39,004 --> 01:44:42,106 did not mince words as he spoke to the jury 1516 01:44:42,173 --> 01:44:43,941 in his closing arguments this morning, 1517 01:44:44,009 --> 01:44:46,843 saying that Joshua Komisarjevsky is, quote, 1518 01:44:46,911 --> 01:44:48,345 "No shrinking violet." 1519 01:44:48,413 --> 01:44:51,582 "He played a starring role in this crime." 1520 01:44:51,649 --> 01:44:56,287 Nicholson hammered the point that Komisarjevsky was first in the house, 1521 01:44:56,355 --> 01:45:00,724 the first to use violence, and had plenty of opportunity to leave the home. 1522 01:45:00,792 --> 01:45:02,760 He gave Steven Hayes directions back to the house, 1523 01:45:02,827 --> 01:45:05,295 when Hayes went and bought gasoline... 1524 01:45:05,363 --> 01:45:06,730 It's not fair, is it? 1525 01:45:06,798 --> 01:45:07,898 No. 1526 01:45:07,966 --> 01:45:09,867 No. Hmm. 1527 01:45:20,445 --> 01:45:25,782 You know, all I think of is the impact that our girls could've made upon the world. 1528 01:45:27,519 --> 01:45:31,689 And, of course, none of that will ever come forth from 1529 01:45:31,756 --> 01:45:33,924 Joshua Komisarjevsky. 1530 01:45:38,963 --> 01:45:40,498 What's the jury weighing? 1531 01:45:40,565 --> 01:45:43,066 Aggravating factors against mitigating factors. 1532 01:45:43,135 --> 01:45:45,736 The aggravating factors brought out by the prosecution. 1533 01:45:45,803 --> 01:45:47,738 The heinous nature of the crimes. 1534 01:45:47,806 --> 01:45:50,140 For the mitigating factors that the defense presented, 1535 01:45:50,208 --> 01:45:54,445 they pointed to a very difficult early childhood of Joshua Komisarjevsky. 1536 01:45:54,512 --> 01:45:57,114 The defense said they turned to prayer instead. 1537 01:45:57,182 --> 01:46:00,150 They also pointed to a series of concussions when he was a boy, 1538 01:46:00,218 --> 01:46:02,586 drug use in his teenage and early twenty years, 1539 01:46:02,654 --> 01:46:04,555 all saying it mitigates what happens. 1540 01:46:04,623 --> 01:46:07,190 It means he didn't really know what was going on, 1541 01:46:07,259 --> 01:46:11,862 couldn't make a decision to stop what was going on that night in July of 2007, 1542 01:46:11,929 --> 01:46:14,364 and so his life should be spared. 1543 01:46:14,432 --> 01:46:17,468 No verdict today. We do expect a verdict by the end of the week. 1544 01:46:23,141 --> 01:46:26,243 We're good. You guys can reach, right? 1545 01:46:26,311 --> 01:46:31,849 Oh, Lord, we gather around this table as family and friends. 1546 01:46:31,916 --> 01:46:34,518 We stand at a place in the trial where 1547 01:46:35,954 --> 01:46:37,955 we wonder what will take place. 1548 01:46:39,858 --> 01:46:43,493 But we pray, oh, God, that we will be able to be strong enough 1549 01:46:44,929 --> 01:46:47,498 to accept whatever the outcome may be, 1550 01:46:49,034 --> 01:46:53,304 that it would be your will that would be done. 1551 01:46:53,371 --> 01:46:57,007 For we ask it in the name of Christ. Amen. 1552 01:46:57,075 --> 01:46:58,842 Amen. 1553 01:47:02,047 --> 01:47:05,315 This is all about death or life without parole. 1554 01:47:05,383 --> 01:47:08,486 Really, it does seem like the most kind, humane thing 1555 01:47:08,553 --> 01:47:10,954 you could do for a person is to allow them... 1556 01:47:12,323 --> 01:47:13,891 ...to just die. 1557 01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:21,431 I thought of how much that challenges the jurors. 1558 01:47:21,499 --> 01:47:26,103 A lot of pressure has been placed upon their shoulders. 1559 01:47:27,272 --> 01:47:30,141 I'm glad I'm not in that room. 1560 01:47:31,009 --> 01:47:33,377 Yeah. 1561 01:47:33,445 --> 01:47:35,412 They'll never get those pictures 1562 01:47:35,480 --> 01:47:38,248 out of their heads for the rest of their lives, you know? 1563 01:47:38,316 --> 01:47:39,816 Yes, I know. 1564 01:47:39,884 --> 01:47:43,753 It's been very traumatic for everyone. 1565 01:48:06,244 --> 01:48:09,946 This is a case that has just rattled people, 1566 01:48:10,014 --> 01:48:12,383 and a lot of people say that if there is a case 1567 01:48:12,450 --> 01:48:15,152 that warrants the death penalty, this is it. 1568 01:48:15,219 --> 01:48:16,397 Wait a minute. I want to read you something 1569 01:48:16,421 --> 01:48:19,156 that we're, uh, we're getting some word on, 1570 01:48:19,223 --> 01:48:20,835 and you might be able to explain it to us. 1571 01:48:20,859 --> 01:48:24,227 The jurors are standing. The clerk is reading the verdict form. 1572 01:48:24,295 --> 01:48:26,864 Count four, no statutory mitigators. 1573 01:48:26,932 --> 01:48:29,132 Both aggravators are proven. 1574 01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:34,105 Uh, okay. The defendant is sentenced to death, Sunny. 1575 01:48:34,172 --> 01:48:35,939 The jury returns. 1576 01:48:36,007 --> 01:48:37,374 Death penalty verdict. 1577 01:48:37,441 --> 01:48:39,243 Death for the monster who slaughtered 1578 01:48:39,310 --> 01:48:41,578 the Connecticut doctor's family. 1579 01:48:41,646 --> 01:48:44,348 Tonight, a Connecticut jury has done something very rare. 1580 01:48:44,415 --> 01:48:47,084 A Connecticut jury has recommended death for Steven Hayes. 1581 01:48:47,151 --> 01:48:49,052 He's convicted of raping and murdering a mom, 1582 01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:52,289 Jennifer Hawke-Petit, and her two daughters, Hayley and Michaela... 1583 01:48:56,794 --> 01:48:59,096 The verdict was devastating. 1584 01:49:00,932 --> 01:49:05,569 Steven wanted a death verdict and knew we did everything in our power 1585 01:49:05,636 --> 01:49:07,704 to prevent that from happening, 1586 01:49:07,772 --> 01:49:10,240 in spite of his own efforts to kill himself. 1587 01:49:29,493 --> 01:49:31,462 This case gets attention in Australia. 1588 01:49:31,529 --> 01:49:33,497 It got attention in Europe. 1589 01:49:33,565 --> 01:49:36,667 You know, this was Anytown, America, any-family America, 1590 01:49:36,735 --> 01:49:39,470 and when you saw just how that was shattered 1591 01:49:39,537 --> 01:49:41,972 in a few hours, I think that's powerful... 1592 01:49:45,543 --> 01:49:47,911 Count five is death. 1593 01:49:47,979 --> 01:49:51,615 The second count, count five in the murder of Michaela Petit, is death, 1594 01:49:51,683 --> 01:49:55,052 that he intentionally caused the death of a person under 16 years old. 1595 01:49:56,353 --> 01:49:58,556 All right, count 10 is death. 1596 01:49:58,623 --> 01:50:02,192 That's, he intentionally caused the death of Jennifer Hawke-Petit, the mother. 1597 01:50:04,396 --> 01:50:06,430 Okay, count 11 is death. 1598 01:50:12,203 --> 01:50:15,406 A couple of marshals came up behind Joshua in cuffs 1599 01:50:15,473 --> 01:50:17,708 and really no reaction at all. 1600 01:50:17,775 --> 01:50:20,711 Given the public outrage for these horrendous crimes, 1601 01:50:20,779 --> 01:50:22,322 that we just couldn't get a fair jury here 1602 01:50:22,346 --> 01:50:23,747 and we still feel that way, 1603 01:50:23,815 --> 01:50:26,083 and that's why we had filed a motion to change venue 1604 01:50:26,151 --> 01:50:27,884 and believe it should have been... 1605 01:50:27,952 --> 01:50:31,121 Should have been granted, so that'll be one of the main appellate issues. 1606 01:50:31,123 --> 01:50:33,090 I believe the death penalty is just barbaric 1607 01:50:33,157 --> 01:50:38,762 and it puts us in line with countries like China, Yemen, Iraq, Iran. 1608 01:50:38,829 --> 01:50:42,098 I don't know what other purpose it serves other than simply revenge. 1609 01:50:42,234 --> 01:50:43,934 Walter Bansley III, thank you very much. 1610 01:50:44,001 --> 01:50:47,071 Denise, of course, yeah, we're gonna have continuing coverage here. 1611 01:50:47,138 --> 01:50:50,807 The death penalty has been given to Joshua Komisarjevsky. 1612 01:50:59,684 --> 01:51:04,855 We are satisfied that the defendant has been judged 1613 01:51:04,923 --> 01:51:09,459 to be the murderer, the rapist, and criminal that he is. 1614 01:51:09,527 --> 01:51:13,663 And now he's been condemned to the ultimate penalty. 1615 01:51:13,731 --> 01:51:16,599 We certainly have been criticized over the years 1616 01:51:16,667 --> 01:51:22,906 that this is vengeance and blood lust, but this is really about justice. 1617 01:51:22,974 --> 01:51:26,976 We want to go forward with the Petit Family Foundation 1618 01:51:27,044 --> 01:51:32,216 and try to continue to create good out of evil and... 1619 01:51:32,283 --> 01:51:34,985 The defense did what they thought they should do. 1620 01:51:35,052 --> 01:51:37,688 I thought a lot of it was particularly distasteful. 1621 01:51:38,723 --> 01:51:41,425 We saw picture after picture after picture, 1622 01:51:41,492 --> 01:51:43,961 and every time one of those pictures went up, I thought, 1623 01:51:44,028 --> 01:51:45,862 "Charles Manson was a baby once." 1624 01:51:45,930 --> 01:51:49,299 "I'm not sure that this is particularly relevant." 1625 01:51:49,366 --> 01:51:53,403 I'd just like to thank our justice system as well as the jury members, 1626 01:51:53,471 --> 01:51:58,708 listening to a lot of things that they would much rather not heard or seen. 1627 01:51:58,776 --> 01:52:01,811 I believe that without our defense attorneys, 1628 01:52:01,879 --> 01:52:06,015 we could not have the outcome that we have, 1629 01:52:06,083 --> 01:52:08,318 so we have to even be appreciative 1630 01:52:08,386 --> 01:52:12,656 that there are defense attorneys that will take cases like this. 1631 01:52:12,723 --> 01:52:15,759 And I believe God's will has been done. 1632 01:52:23,501 --> 01:52:25,435 I don't really want to answer any questions. 1633 01:52:25,503 --> 01:52:31,007 I feel so sad that my answers would be... 1634 01:52:31,075 --> 01:52:33,153 I don't know if any of the other defense attorneys... 1635 01:52:33,177 --> 01:52:34,378 ...on death row now. 1636 01:52:34,445 --> 01:52:36,246 There will be automatic appeals. 1637 01:52:36,314 --> 01:52:37,981 There will be appeals upon appeals. 1638 01:52:38,049 --> 01:52:41,318 This will go on for years and years and years, and... 1639 01:52:46,858 --> 01:52:50,728 We offered to plead guilty to every charge in the information against us 1640 01:52:50,795 --> 01:52:53,496 so long as death wasn't the result. 1641 01:52:53,564 --> 01:52:58,468 And so Joshua would've been sentenced to life without the possibility of release. 1642 01:52:58,535 --> 01:53:01,972 It would've happened, you know, three weeks after the crime had taken place. 1643 01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:05,675 Josh would've disappeared into the, into the great abyss 1644 01:53:05,743 --> 01:53:11,715 of the penal system, and would never be heard from again. 1645 01:53:11,782 --> 01:53:17,020 But that wasn't a serious enough punishment for the state, 1646 01:53:17,088 --> 01:53:21,658 and of course, the state was being goaded on by Dr. Petit. 1647 01:53:21,726 --> 01:53:26,463 And so we had to go through three years of Hayes and Joshua, 1648 01:53:28,199 --> 01:53:30,467 and just forcing the people of Connecticut 1649 01:53:30,534 --> 01:53:32,636 to relive that crime, day, after day, after day, 1650 01:53:32,703 --> 01:53:36,239 I think kind of coarsened the social fabric of Connecticut. 1651 01:53:36,374 --> 01:53:38,418 It would've been so much better just to throw those guys in jail 1652 01:53:38,442 --> 01:53:40,110 and throw away the key, but... 1653 01:54:12,377 --> 01:54:15,478 The most difficult thing that I had to do in my life 1654 01:54:15,546 --> 01:54:20,284 was to bury my own child and two grandchildren. 1655 01:54:25,356 --> 01:54:28,224 I don't think there will ever be closure 1656 01:54:29,227 --> 01:54:31,127 for our family. 1657 01:54:33,731 --> 01:54:40,403 Jennifer was too much of a giving, loving person, 1658 01:54:40,538 --> 01:54:44,207 and I don't think that we will ever, ever, 1659 01:54:44,275 --> 01:54:49,445 if we live another 100 years, would ever want to forget her. 1660 01:54:49,513 --> 01:54:51,814 So if closure brings forgetting, 1661 01:54:53,050 --> 01:54:54,985 I don't want that closure. 144703

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