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There's never been an
inquiry of this scale
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in the annals of police history.
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He must speak with a Geordie accent.
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Anybody not meeting these
five points, they're gone.
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Mr Peter Sutcliffe?
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I do not think the man
on the tape is the Ripper.
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You've made that clear.
I want that on record.
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- But you're wrong.
- This is starting to affect
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the public's confidence in the
police as a whole, nationally.
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The most wanted man of the century,
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more resources than anyone
ever, and you have failed.
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I want to ask everyone
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to please help us find the
person who killed my daughter.
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He won't be back in a hurry.
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No. But he'll turn up somewhere.
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It's quiet enough here, isn't it?
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Yeah, it's fine.
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Come here all the time.
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We won't be disturbed.
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You got a tenner for me?
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Why don't we get in t'back?
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Oh, no.
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Erm...
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You're my girlfriend.
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Is this your car, sir?
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Yes.
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Can you give me your name and address?
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I am John Williams. 65
Dorchester Road, Rotherham.
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And who's she?
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My girlfriend.
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And what's her name?
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I don't know. We've not
known each other that long.
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Right.
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Just stay there.
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Just take the keys out of your car.
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2-5-6 to Control.
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Control speaking.
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Number plate check, please.
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Roger that. Go ahead.
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Yeah, it's foxtrot, echo,
hotel, 9-0-7, Juliet.
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Over.
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That's coming up as a Skoda saloon.
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Owner is a Mr Aslam Khan. Over.
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Right, so, the number
plates on your vehicle
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don't match that of the car itself.
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So what's gonna happen now
is I'm gonna arrest you both
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on suspicion of theft.
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And if this turns out to
be soliciting as well...
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Well, we'll get into
that back at the station.
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OK?
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Right, out you get.
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We'll leave your car.
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- You heard him. Let's
go. - Come on. Chop-chop.
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Come on.
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Yeah, stick them in the back.
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- Where do you think you're going?
- I need a piss.
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Well, quickly, then. Do it over there.
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You've been in before,
Olivia, haven't you?
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For prostitution.
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And that's what you were doing
this evening when we picked you up.
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The fines get worse the more
you deny it. You know they do.
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You've got two kids at home
- it says so on here.
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So the more you sit
there not saying owt,
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the more the food's
coming off their table.
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Doesn't it?
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Doesn't it?
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Start by saying your name.
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You know my name.
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Nice and clearly, so PC
Small here can write it down.
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"My name is Olivia Reivers." Go on.
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My name is Olivia Reivers.
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"I am a prostitute."
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I'm a prostitute.
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"And I am guilty, yet again
guilty, of picking up a punter,
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this time on the evening
of January 2nd 1981."
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Go on, you tell the story.
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- Got picked up this evening.
- For sex. Go on.
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For sex.
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£10.
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Got in his car, parked up.
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But that were it.
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Then that's when you came along.
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Right.
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Thank you.
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Right, if you just sign
here, I'll let you go.
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You'll get a court date through.
It'll likely mean another fine.
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More severe this time
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because it's repeat offences, you see.
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This is just what happens
when you can't leave it alone.
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What about this bloke who picked you up?
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His car number plates weren't
registered in his name.
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What's that got to do with me?
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Well, you've never met him,
or he's not a regular, or... ?
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I've no idea who he is.
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He's just some...
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just some ordinary guy.
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Mm.
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You've given your name as John Williams
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of Canklow, Rotherham.
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There is no John Williams
of Canklow, Rotherham.
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So, come on. What's your real name?
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Sutcliffe. Peter William Sutcliffe.
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- From?
- Garden Lane, Heaton.
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Bradford?
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Aye.
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Now, is that your real name and
address, or are those more lies?
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No, no. You can check that.
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So why lie the first time, Peter?
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I said a fake name because I panicked.
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I regret that now. I
should never have done it.
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Those plates on your car, they
don't belong to you, do they?
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You stole them. Why?
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Didn't want people seeing
you in red light areas.
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It's not against the law
to go in t'red light area.
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- We're not saying it is.
- It's whores who are criminals.
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We're not saying otherwise.
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We're asking why you'd be
driving about with stolen plates.
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So you're admitting that
you stole them, then?
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So, you've got that now?
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Sorry?
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I've admitted that, so you
can charge me and let me go.
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Well, what's the big hurry, Peter?
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I just wanna get back. That's all.
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To Bradford?
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Yeah, to Bradford, aye.
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A lot of this Ripper business,
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that's been up Bradford way, hasn't it?
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Leach.
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Was that her name?
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The student. She were Bradford.
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You ever been questioned
about the Ripper, Peter?
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What's so funny about that?
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Look at me.
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Have you been questioned or not?
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Everybody has.
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- This one, is it?
- It's that one there.
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Right.
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DC Nunn.
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Where?
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Well, I doubt it. He's
never done Sheffield.
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What accent's he got?
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At one in t'morning? You've no chance.
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No, there's nobody else here,
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and if there were, they'd
tell you the same bloody thing.
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Well, bail him, then.
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Leeds won't send anyone.
They're saying it's too late.
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So they're happy to bail him?
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Well, we can't keep him overnight,
Des. Not on stolen plates.
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Especially if he's admitted it.
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Well, that wouldn't be the
reason we're holding him.
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That'd be the excuse.
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We should follow their advice.
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Bob's right, sir.
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If Leeds aren't bothered,
why should we be?
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Because we're here, and we can feel it.
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We can feel that something ain't right.
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I thought you were off home.
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Is it just me or is
the car parked wrong?
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Punters usually park
pointing away from the road
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to stop people seeing in when
they're doing the business.
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He were facing out. Do you remember?
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- Like he wanted a quick getaway.
- Maybe.
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Or he weren't wanting sex.
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So if he weren't wanting
sex, what were he gonna do?
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- But what with?
- Sorry?
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Well... if he's t'Ripper,
he'd have had weapons on him,
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a hammer and...
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But we searched him, searched
his car. He never had owt.
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Bob.
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Yeah, that's fine.
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OK, yep, checking for you now.
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Thanks. Bye.
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Ford Corsair.
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Look.
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God, Sue.
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I'll get the others.
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- Morning.
- Morning.
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Sue?
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Sue.
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What's happening?
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Have they... Have they got him?
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Think so.
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Right, so, they've kept him
in, this fella, overnight.
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So, what they're saying is
one of the coppers went back,
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had a look down by the side
of these bins, you know,
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where they've nicked him, and
that's where they've found it.
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Found what?
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Hammer and knife. Kitchen
knife, same as he used on Rytka.
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- Fucking 'ell.
- Phone Sheffield.
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Tell 'em I want that scene sterile.
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No more coppers tramping
about and toing and froing.
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Well, no, look, to be fair,
they did find the weapons.
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There's nothing to link the
weapons to him, is there?
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not unless there's
prints. Are there prints?
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- Well, I mean, we've gotta wait.
- So where is he now?
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Well, they're bringing
him to West Yorkshire
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so we can take over.
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All right. And these are his details?
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Yeah.
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Get me George Oldfield.
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Now, come on, what is it?
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Hm? This is everything
we've worked towards.
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This is him.
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Grange Moor.
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George. Yeah... they
think they've got him.
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His name's Peter
Sutcliffe. Lorry driver.
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They're getting him back to
West Yorkshire as we speak.
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- We've been here before, Dick.
- Yeah, I know.
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You have to be absolutely sure.
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Agreed, but I'll get on it.
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Mrs Peter Sutcliffe?
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Can we have a word?
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Mrs Sutcliffe, your husband
is in police custody.
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He was brought in last
night in Sheffield,
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being transferred as we speak.
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OK, listen love.
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I've got half the detectives
in the north of England
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saying that your Peter
is The Yorkshire Ripper -
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minds made up.
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So if there's anything you wanna
tell me that might dissuade them
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from that opinion, anything at
all, this is the time to say it.
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Do you mind if we ask a few questions?
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Just some specifics.
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Would that be all right, Sonia?
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Do you mind if I call you Sonia?
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Sonia, I have a list of dates,
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so if you can think of
any way to demonstrate...
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He would've been at work.
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- Sorry?
- Or he was with me.
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But Mrs Sutcliffe, I haven't
asked you the dates yet.
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30th of the 10th, 1975. Now,
we know that's five years ago.
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It's vitally important that we
know the whereabouts of Peter.
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- Sonia, this is really...
- John.
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There's one missing.
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I'll call Millgarth.
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His name's in nominal three times,
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his car's in vehicle multiple times,
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and he's listed in
triple-area sightings...
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We did our bit, you know?
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If it's him, then everything were
logged and in the right places.
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It's all we could do.
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But if we did that, then
they must've been out.
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They must've interviewed him
already. They must've done.
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They did... more than once.
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Far too many people
stood around doing nothing
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when there's plenty of work to be done.
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So get on with it now!
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- Have they asked you back in?
- No, but they will do.
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They won't want me sitting round
here doing bugger all, will they?
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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I will call you.
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Move!
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The press are outside already.
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I'm speaking to them shortly.
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Yeah, I was just saying that
he's coughed up, he's confessed...
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about ten minutes ago.
He's admitted everything.
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He's admitted McCann,
Jackson, Richardson.
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He's even admitted to doing
another one after Barbara Leach.
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Now, apparently, he said that
he were hoping to get bail.
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He said he were gonna get a cab
to Sheffield, pick up them weapons,
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then he'd be in the clear.
262
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He... He said all that? What,
just to two bobbies in Sheffield?
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Well, he wants it all off his chest.
264
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He said things about the Hill murder
that only the killer could know.
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He said things... well,
that nobody ever should know.
266
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Well, let's have it.
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Is he a Geordie?
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He's from Bradford.
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But his voice, Jim.
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Does he sound like a Geordie?
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He sounds like he's from Bradford.
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- Hello. Afternoon.
- All right.
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George.
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We have, this afternoon,
in this very building,
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detained a man on
several counts of murder.
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We are questioning him in
relation to The Ripper murders.
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It is expected that he will
appear before the court tomorrow.
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Is it fair to say, then,
279
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that the hunt for The Ripper is over?
280
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That's right.
281
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:27,769
So, have you got any
information on the man?
282
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Not at this stage.
283
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Can you tell us if he's
got a Geordie accent?
284
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I cannot tell you that because
I've not heard him speak.
285
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Can you give us any details at all?
286
00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:39,209
I can tell you that we are
287
00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:43,330
absolutely delighted with
developments at this stage.
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Absolutely delighted.
289
00:22:46,450 --> 00:22:49,690
Now, please, gents.
Smile for the camera.
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Really delighted.
291
00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:54,449
Give us a smile, George!
292
00:22:55,930 --> 00:22:57,689
And George is delighted, as well.
293
00:22:57,690 --> 00:22:59,170
Are you delighted, George?
294
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Give us a smile, George!
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Absolutely delighted.
296
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The time is twenty past six.
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The headlines again.
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Peter Sutcliffe, the man who became
known as The Yorkshire Ripper,
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was today sentenced at the Old Bailey
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to life imprisonment for
the murder of 13 women.
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A lorry driver from Bradford,
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Sutcliffe was a man so unremarkable
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that for five years, he was
able to elude the biggest manhunt
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in criminal history.
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00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:50,209
During that time, he roamed
freely across the north of England,
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attacking and murdering
women indiscriminately.
307
00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:54,649
The judge, Mr Justice Boreham,
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described Sutcliffe as
an unusually dangerous...
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You've seen it all?
That he admitted to it?
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00:24:28,210 --> 00:24:29,570
Attacking you.
311
00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:35,849
So, now the trial's finished, I
was thinking we could get started.
312
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We can get that compensation.
313
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:57,489
They've said it's gonna be
another couple of minutes
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before they come live
to us here in the studio.
315
00:25:01,050 --> 00:25:03,249
A make-up woman's coming.
316
00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:05,690
Why would I need make up
for a programme like this?
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00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,039
Let's see this opening. Erm,
"Trial of the century... "
318
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,320
I'll make us a tea.
319
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,199
"Crime of the century" or
"Trial of the century", Tony?
320
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,959
I think I can say both, don't you?
321
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,599
- Yeah, sure.
- Shall we try that?
322
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,559
- You happy?
- Yeah, I think it might be a bit stronger.
323
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,360
Yeah, trial and crime. Can
you put that on the, erm...
324
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,199
Put that on the autocue, and
I'll see what that sounds like.
325
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,440
- Going live in five.
- Great, thank you.
326
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,799
The crime and the trial
of the century is over.
327
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,279
The Yorkshire Ripper has
been given a life sentence,
328
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,679
and a five-year manhunt is finished.
329
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,759
Yep, I think that's...
Yeah, I think that's better.
330
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,400
We'll go for that. It's stronger.
331
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,159
Er, it's a stronger opening.
332
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,039
Don't be nervous, now.
333
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,079
Just remember to say the
things we spoke about.
334
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,520
We've been through
them a thousand times.
335
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,719
The crime and trial
of the century is over.
336
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,199
The Yorkshire Ripper has
been given a life sentence,
337
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,719
and a five-year manhunt is finished.
338
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,719
But the questions raised
by that manhunt remain.
339
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,359
How efficient was the hunt
for The Yorkshire Ripper?
340
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:42,039
Ronald Gregory is the chief
constable of West Yorkshire Police.
341
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,679
Irene MacDonald is the
mother of Jayne MacDonald,
342
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,239
murdered by The Ripper in 1977.
343
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,119
And she very bravely has agreed to
join us tonight in our Leeds studio.
344
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,799
Ken Dwyer is a journalist who's
been following the investigation
345
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,999
from the very beginning,
and his book on the case
346
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,319
is now being rushed into print.
347
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,799
Another parent, Mrs Doreen Hill,
is the mother of Jacqueline,
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00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,319
The Ripper's last victim.
349
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,559
She understandably cannot face
the prospect of visiting Leeds
350
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,879
after what has happened,
351
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,439
and so joins us from one
of our London studios.
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00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,999
Chief Constable,
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00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,599
was any wild goose chase more wild
354
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,399
than that which led the police
to concentrate all its attention
355
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,719
on the voice recording?
356
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,999
And the fact that you
instructed your men
357
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,159
to discount anyone who
didn't have a Geordie accent.
358
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,199
That's not...
359
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,159
Thus allowing The Ripper, who
didn't have a Geordie accent,
360
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,080
to go free for that much longer.
361
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,959
No, that's not true. You see,
that's a miss-statement immediately.
362
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,879
We did not reject anyone who
did not have a Geordie accent.
363
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,359
The decision on the tape was taken
after very careful consideration
364
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,399
because the senior investigating
officers were in a dilemma.
365
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,799
Had they chosen not to reveal the tape,
366
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,919
they may have faced
much worse criticism.
367
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,199
So when they did reveal
it, they had to be positive.
368
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,839
"They."
369
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,999
But at no time was that the
only point of elimination.
370
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,719
But you were eliminating people
who didn't have a Wearside accent.
371
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,520
No, not solely on that.
372
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,039
Mrs Hill, do you now feel able to say,
373
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,840
"It's over, I have no
more recriminations?"
374
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,159
There are aspects that
I'm not happy about.
375
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,039
The handbag was found
on the Monday evening.
376
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,199
But no-one bothered
to look for its owner.
377
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,919
When the detectives went
to Jacqueline's body,
378
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,959
they knew nothing at
all about that handbag.
379
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,400
Could Mr Gregory clarify that?
380
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,080
Mr Gregory?
381
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,719
I can't remember exactly.
382
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,279
I know the handbag had been found.
383
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,759
But I cannot say with any accuracy
384
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,640
whether the detectives
knew about it at the time.
385
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,479
Mrs Hill, would you welcome an inquiry
386
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,759
into the way the police
conducted the investigation?
387
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,159
Yes, I would.
388
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,799
If there's going to be an
inquiry, can I see the report?
389
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Would Mrs Hill be entitled
to see that report?
390
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,479
If Mrs Hill is dissatisfied with
any aspect of the investigation,
391
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,079
if she'd like to come
and see us at any time,
392
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,519
we could explain to her
exactly what happened.
393
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,999
Can I ask a simple question? No
doubt you'll tell me I'm wrong.
394
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,199
But could you not
have done that earlier?
395
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,559
Sent for Mrs Hill and Mrs MacDonald here
396
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,280
and invited them in and
set their minds at rest?
397
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,999
Well, I don't know what they
want to be reassured about.
398
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,599
This is the first I've heard of it.
399
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,199
Really, Chief Constable?
400
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,559
You see no error
401
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,559
in the five-and-a-half-years
investigation?
402
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,319
Oh, there may have been
errors. We are not infallible.
403
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,759
But you are not informed
of what the police did.
404
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,999
I am informed about what you didn't do,
405
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,519
and that's catch Peter Sutcliffe.
406
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,279
Oh, I'm aware of that.
That's pretty obvious.
407
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,839
Though I'm glad that you
welcome a public inquiry.
408
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,279
No, I didn't say that.
409
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,479
I would not resent an inquiry,
410
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,639
but who did the inquiry and how it
was conducted would be important.
411
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,759
You see, the public
and so many commentators
412
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,999
have criticised the police
413
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,279
when they have not been privy
to all that the police have done.
414
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,800
Until they are, they should
reserve judgement and criticism.
415
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,039
Well, we are grateful to everyone
416
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,799
who's taken part in
tonight's discussion,
417
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,399
but we're particularly mindful
of the courage it must have taken
418
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,559
for both Mrs MacDonald and Mrs
Hill to speak out in public tonight.
419
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,039
Our thoughts must be with them
420
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,319
and with all the other relatives
of the Ripper's victims.
421
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,400
From Leeds, good night.
422
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,719
Everybody stay seated.
423
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,840
Nice and still while the credits roll.
424
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,839
OK, thanks everyone.
425
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,599
We're just waiting to
hear from the gallery
426
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,199
in case there's anything to pick up.
427
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,919
What about the accent?
428
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,759
What about the fact that
our daughter was told
429
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,480
that men in Yorkshire were safe?
430
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,599
And why did they call him The Ripper?
431
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,159
He said it over and
over on TV, "The Ripper".
432
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,759
Like that's his name.
433
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,559
- That's just what they say, love.
- No.
434
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,199
That's what people used to say
when they didn't know who he was.
435
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,919
When they didn't know his name.
436
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,239
But now they know his
name, why don't they use it?
437
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,960
Why do they have to
say that wretched word?
438
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,040
I'll get someone to take that thing off.
439
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,199
"As Police Constable Andrew Laptew
440
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,879
sat in Sutcliffe's modestly
furnished living room in Bradford,
441
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,519
he realised that everything
the police knew about The Ripper
442
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,319
fitted the man he was questioning.
443
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,199
He became convinced
Sutcliffe was The Ripper.
444
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,799
He submitted a report saying as much
445
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,399
to The Ripper headquarters in Leeds."
446
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,319
- Everything just "fitted", did it?
- It's not how it looks.
447
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,479
Did everything just fall into
place for Sherlock fucking Holmes?
448
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,199
- How much they pay you?
- They didn't.
449
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,359
- No? So why go round there?
- I didn't.
450
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,719
To cover his arse.
451
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,039
He met Sutcliffe,
452
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,552
and then all he did was hand
in some shitty bit of paper,
453
00:32:32,553 --> 00:32:33,553
and that's it.
454
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:35,879
Three more lasses get butchered,
and he's got to live with that then,
455
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,839
the fact that he never followed up.
456
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,799
- And that is why he called 'em.
- Not true, sir.
457
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,399
Make it known that it wasn't his fault.
458
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,719
A journalist knocked on my door.
He'd heard I'd put a report in.
459
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,799
- Said he'd got a tip.
- A tip-off? From who?
460
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,039
No idea. But I said nothing.
461
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,719
- Is someone trying to protect you?
- Read the article.
462
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,879
- 'Cos you went round there...
- You'll find no quotes...
463
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,639
Sat there and had a cup of tea
with him in his front fucking room.
464
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,759
- I weren't the only one.
- Sorry?
465
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,160
He'd been interviewed nine times.
466
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,280
Nine?
467
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,759
That's what they're saying.
T'lasses in t'incident room.
468
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,279
So what does it matter who
spoke to what journalist,
469
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,120
when nine times we went round
there, and nine times we failed?
470
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,679
Just like you failed when
I handed you that report
471
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,999
- 'cos you were blinded by that tape, by that stupid accent.
- Careful.
472
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,599
It's not me that's got to live with it,
473
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,839
with them three dead
girls, it's all of us.
474
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,080
But it is you and Oldfield the most.
475
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,800
You watch your fucking mouth.
476
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,600
I want to create a
substantial new role for you.
477
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,519
A role befitting of an
experienced chap like you, George.
478
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,319
Chief of Operational Support.
479
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,240
Running the engine room, for
the whole of West Yorkshire.
480
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,639
To oversee the policing of all vehicles
481
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,919
and road-based transport in
our portion of the county.
482
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,118
Traffic.
483
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,078
To oversee the safekeeping of
criminal records and documentation.
484
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:05,598
The library.
485
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:09,439
And a full oversight of frogmen,
police dogs and police horses.
486
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,439
- Animals.
- Frogmen aren't animals, George.
487
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,439
They just have an animal in their name.
488
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,760
Well, I won't do it.
489
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,280
I'm not going from Head of CID
to running the police farmyard.
490
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,200
People'll think I've been fired.
491
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,760
There's shit coming
down the line, George.
492
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,039
And before I retire, I want to
make sure that you are protected.
493
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,599
We attribute it to your health.
494
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,360
Needn't be a reflection
of you and your team.
495
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,359
What about Dick?
496
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,679
I'll find something for Dick.
497
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,160
Oh, well...
498
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,319
... you know, if there's
shit coming down the line,
499
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,680
then you put as many people in
the way of it as you can, eh?
500
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,840
Don't hold back.
501
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,559
Oh, Margaret wanted to know
if those gifts had arrived.
502
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,199
For Grace's birthday.
503
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,560
Oh, I don't know, George.
504
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,359
That's very kind of her. I shall ask.
505
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,600
Well, she's good like that, my wife.
506
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,000
Considerate.
507
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,439
- Mr Byford, Mr Nevill.
- Morning.
508
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,199
If you want to follow me,
I can show you upstairs?
509
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,400
- Thank you.
- Yep.
510
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,639
You are a bit earlier than we expected,
511
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,040
but, er, we're nearly ready.
512
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,559
This is Mr Byford,
513
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,759
- he'll be doing the official inquiry.
- Hello.
514
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,040
- Hello.
- Sir.
515
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,120
Did you ladies work on the inquiry,
or are you just packing things up?
516
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,080
We did our share, sir.
517
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,719
Mr Byford requested you draw
all accounts from your system
518
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,199
that might relate to Sutcliffe.
519
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,559
Vehicles, Photofits, anything
you might think relevant.
520
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,640
Yes, sir. Follow me.
521
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,639
Statements, sightings,
522
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,399
any other paperwork, we've boxed
up and we've put in this office
523
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,360
'cos, well, it's more private in here.
524
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,999
These Photofits go back from 1972.
525
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,079
These are from the women who survived.
526
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,160
The women he attacked
or followed or chased.
527
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,079
The ones he left for dead.
528
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,799
These are what they said they saw.
529
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,239
But not all of the women were believed.
530
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:01,000
And these two photos, sir,
these are of Sutcliffe himself.
531
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,919
Er, this one from January.
532
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,120
And this one from when
he was arrested in '69.
533
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,079
Arrested in '69?
534
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,359
For going equipped.
535
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520
He was caught, late at
night, carrying a hammer.
536
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,440
That's when he started.
537
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:20,579
Richard McCann?
538
00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:22,579
Is this about our Sonia?
What's she done now?
539
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:24,459
She only left the
house about an hour ago.
540
00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:25,820
Are you the son of Wilma McCann?
541
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:29,699
I'm Detective Chief
Superintendent Chris Gregg.
542
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,059
I was a young detective on
the Peter Sutcliffe case.
543
00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:34,379
Sorry, but what's this... ?
544
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:36,299
Because I find these things...
545
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:37,900
Can I come in?
546
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:45,499
I've been visiting all the next of kin,
547
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:48,740
those related to the victims,
as we've had a development.
548
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:54,059
A few years ago, we arrested a
man for being drunk and disorderly.
549
00:38:54,060 --> 00:38:55,459
As a result of his conviction,
550
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:57,179
he had to provide us with a DNA sample
551
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:59,139
for the National Database.
552
00:38:59,140 --> 00:39:01,459
Because I'm now Chief Super,
553
00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:05,179
and because this case
really matters to me,
554
00:39:05,180 --> 00:39:08,099
I make sure to run DNA tests
every few years, you see.
555
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:09,499
Tests on what?
556
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:12,380
On the man who wrote the letters.
557
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:15,459
There were never any
prints, but recently,
558
00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:17,619
we found DNA where he
licked the envelope.
559
00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:21,019
So two weeks ago, we ran the tests,
560
00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:22,939
and we found a direct match
561
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:25,820
with the man who we'd arrested
for being drunk and disorderly.
562
00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:28,819
That man...
563
00:39:28,820 --> 00:39:30,220
is the man on the tape.
564
00:39:31,780 --> 00:39:32,819
The man...
565
00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:35,140
The man who sent the tape.
566
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:38,980
He's owned up to it.
567
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:44,579
Said that it was him,
that he regrets it,
568
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:45,979
the damage that he's caused...
569
00:39:45,980 --> 00:39:47,940
Wait. No, no, no. I, er...
570
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:53,259
I need to hear him. Hear his voice.
571
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:55,339
I-I need to... Is there
any way that you... ?
572
00:39:55,340 --> 00:39:57,419
Yeah, that's one of
the reasons I'm here.
573
00:39:57,420 --> 00:39:59,459
- Do you mind if I use your DVD player?
- No.
574
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:00,779
It's just to show you,
575
00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:02,819
like I'm showing all the
other friends and family.
576
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:05,820
But only if it'll
help. You don't have to.
577
00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:12,580
His name is John Humble.
He's from Sunderland.
578
00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:15,579
We had him read out the letters
579
00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:17,779
in case he later
withdrew his confession.
580
00:40:17,780 --> 00:40:19,419
We've got a transcript here.
581
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:21,819
Would you read that for
us please, John? Back in...
582
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:25,539
That's if I can see it. My
eyes are a bit dodgy, you know.
583
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:27,099
Take your time.
584
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,019
"I'm Jack.
585
00:40:29,020 --> 00:40:32,899
I see you are still
having no luck catching me.
586
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:37,659
I have the greatest respect
for you, George, but, Lord!
587
00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:43,140
You are no nearer catching me now
than four years ago, when I started.
588
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:48,219
I reckon your boys are
letting you down, George.
589
00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:51,539
They can't be much good, can they?
590
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:53,179
The only time they came near... "
591
00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:56,900
That's him.
592
00:40:58,780 --> 00:40:59,980
The voice.
593
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:04,860
The man who killed Mum.
594
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:06,979
No, no.
595
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:09,099
- He's just the man who...
- No, no...
596
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,260
Maybe not for you, but for me.
597
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:15,900
D'you know, when they first
caught Sutcliffe, no-one bothered.
598
00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:20,219
They were busy patting
each other on the back,
599
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:23,180
but no-one actually came to
tell me and Sonia, so thank you.
600
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:30,420
Why...
601
00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:34,419
... did he do that? Why
did he send the tape?
602
00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:36,499
- You must have asked him.
- Yeah.
603
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:37,900
And... ?
604
00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:40,820
Notoriety.
605
00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:44,619
And everything he said on the tape,
606
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:48,379
every word and every detail that
he put down in those letters,
607
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:50,099
it was all there in the papers already.
608
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:54,419
It was all there for him
to read and write down
609
00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:56,259
and pass off as his own.
610
00:41:56,260 --> 00:41:58,339
And my predecessors, they
never worked that out.
611
00:41:58,340 --> 00:42:00,060
And, erm... you know...
612
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:03,220
... I only wish they had.
613
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:19,899
Hello, mate.
614
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:21,900
People often ask me...
615
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:28,500
"how you do you even begin to
get over something like that?"
616
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:33,779
And, erm, "What it's
like, being a survivor?"
617
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:37,619
We're not survivors. We're surviving.
618
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:40,859
It's a, er... What do you call it?
619
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:42,539
A work in progress.
620
00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:44,459
We're managing.
621
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:45,900
The good days...
622
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:49,339
... and the bad days.
623
00:42:49,340 --> 00:42:50,499
And, erm...
624
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:52,859
the best we can hope for
is that very rare thing.
625
00:42:52,860 --> 00:42:54,379
The odd day, when you're working...
626
00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:56,700
I'm a motivational speaker these days.
627
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:00,340
But whatever it might be, when...
628
00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:04,020
... when it doesn't cross your mind.
629
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:09,139
Or at least you think it doesn't, and...
630
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:11,139
till right before bedtime,
631
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:13,299
when it pops into your
head, and you think...
632
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,900
"Oh, God... I nearly made it through."
633
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:22,580
Sorry.
634
00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:34,180
Our mum were never a prostitute.
635
00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:39,259
Yes, she liked a drink, and-and...
636
00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:40,619
yes, she had boyfriends.
637
00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:42,939
She-she probably got up to all sorts.
638
00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:46,020
The point is, the police
never bothered to check.
639
00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:49,099
Those men in charge,
640
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,899
they were more fixed on
finding out who he was.
641
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:54,819
They never even bothered
to find out who Mum was.
642
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:56,460
And it was the same
for the rest of them.
643
00:43:57,860 --> 00:43:59,579
The police, they showed up,
644
00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:03,899
and they saw a crime scene,
and they saw a victim.
645
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:08,300
But what very few of them ever
actually saw were the women.
646
00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:14,700
And that's what's important now.
647
00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:18,940
We want to make those women visible.
648
00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:22,220
We want to see 'em in colour.
649
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:30,380
We want to bring them out of
that... that same long shadow.
49856
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