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All the power was out.
Just chaos and destruction.
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There was a charred body
of a female
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lying face up on the floor.
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There's no way to describe it.
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This was not an accident.
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The pathologist
throws the blanket off of her,
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and he goes,
"These are bullet holes.
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You got a homicide."
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Who would do this
in her own home?
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You've got a monster
who took her life
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and set it on fire.
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She goes, "Oh, my God,
he did it."
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And I thought we'd be dealing
with a serial killer.
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It's just unfathomable
that he was
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sharing the same oxygen
as everyone else.
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The person on the other end
of the phone says,
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"He could not have committed
the crimes
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that y'all are looking at."
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In the heart
of Mobile County, Alabama,
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just 50 miles
from the Gulf Coast
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lies
the tiny town of Chunchula.
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You definitely would know
if someone didn't belong there.
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The people that live there
know pretty much everybody
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that lives there.
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It was just, you know,
kind of a working class,
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you know, small rural area.
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The closest convenience store
was 30, 40 minutes away.
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Even though
we live in paradise,
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we are next to the beaches.
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It's just a given that
that comes with a price.
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Hurricanes are just a part
of our culture.
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We prepare for it every season.
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Sometimes there's
an evacuation plan.
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People, they panic.
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So law enforcement has to deal
with the chaos of that.
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In 2004, Ivan was
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one of the biggest hurricanes
we'd had in recent times
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in the heart
of Mobile County, Alabama.
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And this hurricane brought
a lot of devastation.
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The power was out
for an extended period of time.
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I just got home
from hurricane duty
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and literally had just laid down
when I received the call
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from dispatch, you know,
about a female body
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being found
inside a mobile home
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by her daughter.
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[Siren wailing]
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I headed out there.
It was extremely dark.
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There was still
a lot of roadways
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that weren't completely cleared,
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so you have to go slowly
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and, you know, look for trees
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partially in the road.
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When we got there,
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I met with the deputies
on the scene and got a briefing.
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Immediately upon entry,
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you could tell there
had been a fire,
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but not throughout the home.
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As you got closer
to the bedroom,
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you could tell, you know,
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there was more
intense fire in that area.
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And then looking into
the bathroom,
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that was clearly
the source of the fire.
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And there was a charred
body – hard to identify.
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Female lying face up
on the floor.
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I'm thinking she had a Coleman
lantern or something like that.
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It knocked over, caught on fire.
It was an accident.
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You know,
that was just first impression.
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But the coroner got there
and we moved the body.
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That's when you could
smell the gasoline.
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The fire marshal, he's got
test kits, which he tested.
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And, yes, it was gasoline.
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Then he said, "The fire
originated right here,"
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which was right
between her legs.
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I mean, it was right there.
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That's where
the most intense heat was.
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It actually burned
through the floor.
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There did not appear
to be any clothing,
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because usually when
there's a burned body,
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you can still see remnants
of clothing.
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The bathtub was full of water,
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which is what people do
during a hurricane,
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because a lot of times
water service is interrupted.
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But it was clear
there was a really dark red tone
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to the water,
as if there were blood.
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And then some of her clothing
was in the tub.
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At that point,
it made us believe
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that there had, you know,
been foul play
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and someone had set her on fire.
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We knew that we were looking
for someone
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who didn't want to leave
evidence of their crime.
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And obviously fire is the
easiest way to destroy evidence.
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You know, an autopsy
is the only thing
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that's going to reveal
what killed her.
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We moved the body
to the forensic science building
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for the autopsy, and then
we talked to the family,
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and of course they were
distraught and uncontrollable.
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Family members
identify the victim
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as 44-year-old Lisa Nichols.
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With the reality of the murder
still settling in,
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the family provides detectives
with information
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about who Lisa was.
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My mom was a very happy person,
loving. Everybody loved her.
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She – She loved to cook.
She loved her grandkids.
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She loved going to the beach.
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And I hate to sound
so cliche about it,
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but, like,
she was my best friend.
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Like, we talked on the phone
three or four times a day.
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My mom lived in a very rural
part of north Mobile County,
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and she started working
for a local grocery store.
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She was probably in it
for a good 20 years.
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My mom definitely struggled
in finding the perfect guy,
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as I think every person does.
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Um...
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so she had a lot of boyfriends
or relationships
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that she would get involved in
and they wouldn't work out.
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And then she would be left
without a place, you know,
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to live because she would
move in with these people.
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And it finally got to a point
where the last one,
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my sister and I just told her,
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like, "You gotta stop this.
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It's time for you
to get your own place."
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She went and found
a mobile home
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and she was going to start
building her own life out there.
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She loved being out
in the country.
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Investigators
question the family
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about Lisa's whereabouts
over the past several days,
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including where she may have
sheltered during the hurricane
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that just passed through town.
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Ivan was projected to be
a pretty big storm
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for us down here.
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To be 100% safe,
my mother came down.
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She stayed that night at
the hotel with our family.
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We sheltered at a hotel
for two days.
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All the power was out. I mean,
just chaos and destruction.
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The day after the hurricane,
I was at home cleaning up
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and I tried to convince my mom
to stay because we had power.
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She didn't have power,
but she wanted to go home.
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So she went back to her place.
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I know when she got home,
she had checked in.
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The next morning we tried
to call her a couple times.
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She didn't always get great
cellphone signal up there.
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And then with the power
being out and all that stuff,
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that was our first thought.
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"Oh, she's just not getting
our calls or she's busy."
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At first, we didn't have
that much concern.
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It wasn't till later
in the evening
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when we had touched base
with my sister and then my aunt
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and all realized
none of us had talked to her.
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My mother probably lived –
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It was probably about an hour
or so away from us.
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We're like, "Okay, something –
like,
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we need to go check on her."
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I remember, you know,
we all brought flashlights
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because we knew
there was going to be no power.
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One of the first things that I
noticed when we opened the door,
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smoke just took us over –
the smell of smoke and soot.
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I just was like,
"Where – Where is she?"
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At that moment,
I think Todd took the lead.
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I'm glad they did
not see anything.
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It's probably the worst day
of my life.
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There's no way
to even describe it.
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And he turned and looked
into her bathroom.
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And after he looked in her
bathroom, I just remember him
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grabbing my sister and was like,
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"You got to get her out of here.
It's too late. Y'all call help."
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I just remember running out
of the house screaming,
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you know,
"Help, somebody call 911."
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So none of our cellphones
would work.
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Cellphone towers
were down everywhere.
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I remember going to a couple of
neighbors' houses first,
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banging on their doors.
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[Pounding]
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After knocking
on several doors,
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one finally opens.
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And I was like,
my mom needed help.
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That's all I can say at
that moment was she needed help.
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And Mark Bentley who was always
kind of looking out for my mom,
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he and who we now know was
"Scooter" Coleman
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ran to my mom's house.
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There was another guy that
stayed in the Bentleys' home
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with gray sideburns,
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but he didn't
ever offer to help.
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[Sirens wailing]
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After talking with the family,
the decision was made
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because there was no lighting
or electricity that we,
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you know, back out of the scene
so as not to trample,
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you know,
any potential evidence
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and wait until daylight
to continue the investigation.
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I think it's about 530,
6:00 that morning,
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the coroner came in
and found what he thought
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were stab wounds in the head.
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That was his first reaction
and said this girl's
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been stabbed in the head.
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The pathologist corrected
himself and he goes,
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"Wait a minute,
these are bullet holes.
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You've got a homicide for sure."
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There's not one single person
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in her life
that would do that to her.
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Not one.
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We couldn't believe that it
would be someone that she knew.
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There is a report
of attempted robbery
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and a man running through
somebody's house.
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So we shoot up there.
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As we're walking him
to the patrol car,
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he says, "I had every intention
of making you shoot me."
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It's just a very odd
thing to say.
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12 hours into the investigation
of Lisa Nichols' death,
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the Mobile County,
Alabama, coroner's office
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has determined
this was a homicide
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based on bullet wounds
found in her skull.
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Detective Burch called,
and, um...
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I'll never forget what he said, honestly.
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He said that this
was not an accident.
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That was rough.
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It was rough.
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I mean...
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like I said –
if it's a homicide,
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then you know someone did this.
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And it's like,
who would do this
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in her own home?
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Like...
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It was just hard.
It was a hard day.
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♪
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Following the coroner's ruling,
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a murder investigation
is officially launched.
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Detectives return to
the crime scene during the day
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in hopes of coming across
any evidence
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that might lead them
to a suspect.
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We were able to see on her back
porch the victim's phone,
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a pack of cigarets.
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What stuck out most to me was
there was a small barbecue grill
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sitting on the back porch
with charcoal, lighter,
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but it had never been lit.
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Something had interrupted her
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during that time
where she's preparing, you know,
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to cook dinner.
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♪
258
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While collecting evidence,
we, you know,
259
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discovered there are two
types of beer cans in the home.
260
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We found a beer canned upside
down in the sink,
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which after interviewing
the daughters,
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they told us
"That's what my mother would do,
263
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is she would drink a beer.
264
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When she finished it, she'd turn
it upside down in the sink,
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let all the beer drain
out of it.
266
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Then she'd crush the can
because she would sell
267
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the aluminum."
268
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The beer can in the sink
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was obviously hers.
270
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And the beer can that we saw
sitting on the floor
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could be the suspect's.
272
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Detectives photograph the cans
273
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and send them in for forensics.
274
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They then shift their focus
to possible suspects.
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One of the questions
the detectives kind of asked us
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was 9 times out of 10
a crime like this,
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someone knew this person.
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This isn't just your stranger.
279
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We couldn't believe that it
would be someone that she knew.
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We began interviewing,
you know,
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those who were closest to her.
282
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You know, we talked
with her ex-boyfriend
283
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and talked with her ex-husbands,
284
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some of whom who actually
came to check on her
285
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during the hurricane to make
sure she didn't need anything.
286
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So she even, you know,
287
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maintained a good
relationship with her exes
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because she was just
that kind of a person.
289
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All of the potential persons
of interest provide detectives
290
00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:07,194
with a detailed alibi.
291
00:14:08,978 --> 00:14:12,238
They were completely cleared
of any involvement.
292
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They had solid alibis,
and, you know,
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you could tell clearly
were devastated at Lisa's death.
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♪
295
00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:26,134
Detectives expand the
investigation to other people
296
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who knew Lisa and may be able
to shed light on her final days.
297
00:14:30,391 --> 00:14:33,391
This includes Mark Bentley,
the neighbor her family ran to
298
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for help the night
they discovered her body.
299
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There comes a time you just
kind of pick up,
300
00:14:38,094 --> 00:14:40,014
you know,
when someone is genuine.
301
00:14:40,053 --> 00:14:45,013
And Mark was clearly shaken,
you know, by this case.
302
00:14:45,058 --> 00:14:47,668
He was devastated that something
like that could happen
303
00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:49,542
right next door to him.
304
00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:54,892
We asked him about
who all was here last night.
305
00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:56,197
And he said, "Scooter
306
00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:58,423
and also a guy
that works for me named
307
00:14:58,462 --> 00:14:59,942
John Paul Chapman."
308
00:14:59,986 --> 00:15:01,546
Mark was
in the construction business.
309
00:15:01,596 --> 00:15:04,596
They were
his off-and-on employees
310
00:15:04,642 --> 00:15:06,952
who lived with the Bentleys.
311
00:15:06,993 --> 00:15:09,653
Then detectives speak
with Mark Bentley's houseguest,
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Scooter Coleman.
313
00:15:10,997 --> 00:15:12,347
He tells them about
a strange event
314
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:15,259
that occurred the night
Hurricane Ivan hit.
315
00:15:15,305 --> 00:15:19,655
He said the day before the
hurricane, Mark was packing up
316
00:15:19,701 --> 00:15:21,921
to take his family to safety.
317
00:15:21,964 --> 00:15:24,754
Offered John and Scooter
to go with them.
318
00:15:24,793 --> 00:15:26,713
And they said,
"No, I'll stay here.
319
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I'll take care of the place
320
00:15:28,275 --> 00:15:30,405
and make sure everything's fine
while y'all are gone."
321
00:15:30,451 --> 00:15:33,671
Mark Bentley confirmed
that he and his family left
322
00:15:33,715 --> 00:15:36,275
for Birmingham
and got a motel room.
323
00:15:36,326 --> 00:15:42,246
Scooter, he told us
that the night of the hurricane,
324
00:15:42,289 --> 00:15:46,509
he wanted some flashlights and
batteries, you know, for radios
325
00:15:46,554 --> 00:15:48,084
and flashlights.
326
00:15:48,121 --> 00:15:52,861
While searching for those items,
Scooter caught John Chapman
327
00:15:52,908 --> 00:15:57,388
going through a closet
in the Bentleys' bedroom.
328
00:15:57,434 --> 00:16:04,224
They claim to be looking for
a radio but had a small pistol.
329
00:16:04,267 --> 00:16:06,097
Scooter tells the detectives
he doesn't know
330
00:16:06,139 --> 00:16:08,319
where John Chapman
went after that,
331
00:16:08,358 --> 00:16:11,538
but he later found Mark's gun
back in the closet.
332
00:16:11,579 --> 00:16:15,709
Scooter come walking with us
with the gun in his hand
333
00:16:15,757 --> 00:16:17,407
for potential evidence.
334
00:16:17,454 --> 00:16:19,204
You know, the Bentleys
also had given us
335
00:16:19,239 --> 00:16:21,199
a bag of Chapman's clothing,
336
00:16:21,241 --> 00:16:24,031
and then some of it
was bloodstained.
337
00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:26,380
To detectives,
the story about the gun
338
00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:30,210
and the bloody clothing make
John Chapman a primary suspect.
339
00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:33,640
♪
340
00:16:33,688 --> 00:16:34,948
We told Mark Bentley
341
00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:37,044
we've needed
to find John Paul Chapman.
342
00:16:37,083 --> 00:16:38,483
I said, "Where is he?"
343
00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:40,169
"Uh, he left.
344
00:16:40,216 --> 00:16:43,256
I don't know where he went,
but I'm sure he'll be back."
345
00:16:43,306 --> 00:16:45,176
I said, "Okay.
We need to talk to him."
346
00:16:45,221 --> 00:16:49,971
So me and Paul sat
on a sofa all night long.
347
00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,709
While we waited,
Mark was able to tell us
348
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:54,669
that John worked for him
a couple of years previous
349
00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,059
working another hurricane
350
00:16:56,102 --> 00:16:59,192
doing debris cleanup
and rebuilding.
351
00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:01,885
John was on the road,
didn't have a place to stay.
352
00:17:01,933 --> 00:17:04,243
So Mark being the type of person
he was, he said,
353
00:17:04,284 --> 00:17:06,164
"Well, I've got plenty of room
at my house.
354
00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:08,979
You can come stay at my house
until you can get on your feet."
355
00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,118
John went up there,
moved in with them
356
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,600
and became friends with them.
357
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,820
They became hunting bodies
and fishing buddies
358
00:17:14,859 --> 00:17:16,599
and – and worked.
359
00:17:16,644 --> 00:17:19,344
♪
360
00:17:19,386 --> 00:17:22,866
By the next morning,
there was no signs of Chapman.
361
00:17:22,911 --> 00:17:24,741
We had to give up.
362
00:17:26,741 --> 00:17:29,351
We went back to the office.
363
00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:31,526
We had run a criminal history
on him
364
00:17:31,572 --> 00:17:35,882
and he had an active warrant
out of Douglasville, Georgia,
365
00:17:35,924 --> 00:17:37,624
for failure to show up in court.
366
00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:42,315
♪
367
00:17:42,365 --> 00:17:45,105
The search for Chapman
is coming up empty,
368
00:17:45,151 --> 00:17:47,811
but then Detective McRae
receives a phone call
369
00:17:47,849 --> 00:17:50,069
promising to change that.
370
00:17:50,112 --> 00:17:53,722
All of a sudden, John Chapman,
he called and said,
371
00:17:53,768 --> 00:17:55,858
"Hey," you know, nonchalant.
372
00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:58,470
"Hey, what do you need? I'll
come down and talk to y'all."
373
00:17:58,512 --> 00:18:01,122
He said, "It'll be a couple of
hours before I can get there."
374
00:18:01,167 --> 00:18:02,687
And I'm waiting.
375
00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,170
Of course, he never showed up.
376
00:18:06,215 --> 00:18:09,305
Obviously,
that was a flag going up.
377
00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:15,139
He was acting pretty guilty,
and I needed to find him.
378
00:18:15,181 --> 00:18:17,661
I needed to know more
about this guy.
379
00:18:17,705 --> 00:18:19,445
♪
380
00:18:22,013 --> 00:18:26,413
♪
381
00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:29,063
Detectives in Mobile County, Alabama,
382
00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,588
have identified John Chapman
383
00:18:30,631 --> 00:18:33,551
as a person of interest
in the murder of Lisa Nichols,
384
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:36,550
but he fails to show up,
as promised, for an interview
385
00:18:36,593 --> 00:18:40,163
and they're having trouble
tracking him down.
386
00:18:40,206 --> 00:18:42,556
While we tried
to contact Chapman,
387
00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:46,339
there is a report
of attempted robbery
388
00:18:46,386 --> 00:18:49,256
and a man running through
somebody's house.
389
00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:53,652
It's a small town,
so we shoot up there,
390
00:18:53,697 --> 00:18:56,397
find out a known meth cook
391
00:18:56,439 --> 00:19:00,179
saw this guy grab
a handful of meth
392
00:19:00,226 --> 00:19:02,876
and stick it in his pants.
393
00:19:02,924 --> 00:19:07,104
So that meth cook pulls out
a gun and starts chasing him
394
00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:10,406
but then lost him.
395
00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:14,073
But the guy leaves this red
Jeep Cherokee
396
00:19:14,109 --> 00:19:16,499
at the meth cook's house.
397
00:19:16,546 --> 00:19:20,456
When detectives run the plates,
they get a surprise.
398
00:19:20,507 --> 00:19:23,027
It turned out the red
Jeep Cherokee
399
00:19:23,074 --> 00:19:25,604
was John Paul Chapman's.
400
00:19:25,642 --> 00:19:29,262
♪
401
00:19:29,298 --> 00:19:32,648
And so we were able to seize it
and have it towed.
402
00:19:32,693 --> 00:19:36,873
♪
403
00:19:36,914 --> 00:19:41,274
Well, the next morning I got
a call from an unknown number,
404
00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:43,750
and it was Chapman.
405
00:19:45,619 --> 00:19:48,229
And he was just insistent that,
you know,
406
00:19:48,274 --> 00:19:49,414
he didn't know anything.
407
00:19:49,449 --> 00:19:51,279
While I was speaking with him,
408
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,370
I got one of the other
detectives to trace that number
409
00:19:55,411 --> 00:19:56,761
and I'm trying
to keep him talking.
410
00:19:56,804 --> 00:19:59,764
We're getting closer
and closer to the area.
411
00:19:59,807 --> 00:20:01,287
As we're pulling up,
412
00:20:01,330 --> 00:20:04,680
we could see two males
in a truck, and we get out.
413
00:20:04,725 --> 00:20:07,205
And I could see
that Chapman was the passenger
414
00:20:07,249 --> 00:20:08,469
and was on the phone.
415
00:20:08,511 --> 00:20:10,251
When I approached the vehicle,
416
00:20:10,296 --> 00:20:12,856
Chapman,
he was really, really...
417
00:20:12,907 --> 00:20:16,347
I guess hyped up at the time,
418
00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:19,389
very anxious and talking fast.
419
00:20:20,697 --> 00:20:25,397
And he had meth sores
on his face, on his arms, and...
420
00:20:27,313 --> 00:20:28,663
You know, we got Chapman
on the ground.
421
00:20:28,705 --> 00:20:31,705
As we're walking him
to the patrol car,
422
00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:35,542
he says, "I had every intention
of making you shoot me."
423
00:20:35,582 --> 00:20:38,412
It's just a very odd
thing to say.
424
00:20:38,454 --> 00:20:41,724
And we learned from the driver
that he didn't know Chapman,
425
00:20:41,762 --> 00:20:43,022
never met him before.
426
00:20:43,067 --> 00:20:44,287
He showed up at his house
427
00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:45,720
wanting a ride
to the bus station.
428
00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:47,286
And he was willing to
429
00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:49,423
take him to the bus station
just to get him away.
430
00:20:49,465 --> 00:20:53,335
♪
431
00:20:53,382 --> 00:20:55,302
We got John arrested
for failure
432
00:20:55,341 --> 00:20:57,561
to show up in court
in Douglasville, Georgia.
433
00:20:57,604 --> 00:21:00,304
And we brought him
down to the office,
434
00:21:00,346 --> 00:21:04,696
and me and Paul
started an interview.
435
00:21:08,876 --> 00:21:11,436
It was apparent
when we sat down with Chapman,
436
00:21:11,487 --> 00:21:14,357
you know, that he thought he was
the smartest guy in the room.
437
00:21:14,403 --> 00:21:16,283
And when you're talking
with someone like that,
438
00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:17,968
you got to play along with it,
you know,
439
00:21:18,015 --> 00:21:19,665
or they'll shut down on you.
440
00:21:26,502 --> 00:21:28,642
But slowly and patiently,
the detectives turn
441
00:21:28,678 --> 00:21:31,548
the conversation to the night
that Hurricane Ivan hit
442
00:21:31,594 --> 00:21:33,814
and what they believe
might have happened
443
00:21:33,857 --> 00:21:35,467
at Lisa Nichols' trailer.
444
00:21:35,511 --> 00:21:38,251
At first,
Chapman wouldn't talk to us
445
00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:40,207
and denied
ever being over there.
446
00:21:40,255 --> 00:21:43,255
And then, you know,
we began throwing hints
447
00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,612
that he was seen over there.
448
00:21:45,652 --> 00:21:48,352
And so he bit into that
a little bit and said,
449
00:21:48,394 --> 00:21:50,834
"Well, you know,
I went up to the back porch
450
00:21:50,874 --> 00:21:52,444
but never went inside."
451
00:21:52,485 --> 00:21:56,355
You know, the lady there,
referring to Lisa, you know,
452
00:21:56,402 --> 00:22:00,412
engaged him in conversation
and invite him over and...
453
00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:14,770
He'd tell us one story, and
then he'd watch our reaction
454
00:22:14,811 --> 00:22:16,861
and then he'd say,
"Oh, I missed that one up.
455
00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:18,900
Let me change it a little.
456
00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:24,824
He gave us the story that he
went over there and met Lisa
457
00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:28,825
and that she wanted to buy
some crystal meth.
458
00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:32,309
And so he went and got some,
then brought it back to her.
459
00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:36,051
And they did crystal meth
and had sex.
460
00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:47,406
Then he said
then she OD'd and died.
461
00:22:47,453 --> 00:22:50,113
[Indistinct]
462
00:22:50,151 --> 00:22:52,681
So he got scared and he said,
463
00:22:52,719 --> 00:22:54,419
"Oh, no, they're going to
blame me for killing her
464
00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,420
since I bought
the crystal meth."
465
00:22:56,462 --> 00:22:58,202
[Indistinct]
466
00:22:58,246 --> 00:23:00,726
"So I went and got a gun
and I shot her
467
00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:03,730
so it'd look like she didn't die
from the crystal meth."
468
00:23:03,773 --> 00:23:05,823
Then he said he thought about it
and he went back
469
00:23:05,862 --> 00:23:08,562
and got gasoline later
and came back over there
470
00:23:08,604 --> 00:23:11,174
and poured it all over her,
471
00:23:11,215 --> 00:23:13,515
poured a trail outside the door
472
00:23:13,566 --> 00:23:15,866
and lit it and closed the door.
473
00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:20,526
♪
474
00:23:20,573 --> 00:23:23,793
It was apparent that he would
tell partial truths.
475
00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:28,967
But obviously, at that point
he's making up the confessions
476
00:23:29,016 --> 00:23:32,666
and that he shot Lisa
after she died of an overdose.
477
00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:34,845
There was never any indication
from anything
478
00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:38,981
that Lisa had
any involvement in drugs.
479
00:23:39,026 --> 00:23:42,116
But there is some truth
to John Chapman's confession.
480
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:45,469
The autopsy concluded
that Lisa was definitely shot
481
00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:47,121
before being set on fire.
482
00:23:47,164 --> 00:23:49,954
- Here he is.
- The middle of the interview,
483
00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:52,613
he wanted to call
his girlfriend, Vickie.
484
00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:55,998
I had let him use my phone.
485
00:23:56,043 --> 00:24:00,263
And he tried to call Vickie
and didn't get an answer.
486
00:24:00,308 --> 00:24:02,178
And so we took him to jail.
487
00:24:04,051 --> 00:24:09,141
Well, then I come back and I
start calling Vickie's number...
488
00:24:09,186 --> 00:24:13,356
try to get as much information
that we could get about Chapman.
489
00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:16,058
And she didn't answer.
490
00:24:16,106 --> 00:24:17,666
But the next morning she did.
491
00:24:17,717 --> 00:24:20,067
I identified myself and said,
492
00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:23,640
"I'm in Mobile, Alabama,
and we've got John in jail."
493
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:25,769
And she goes,
"What'd he do this time?"
494
00:24:25,812 --> 00:24:28,642
And I said, "We are
interviewing him for murder."
495
00:24:28,684 --> 00:24:32,174
And she immediately,
"Oh, my God, he did it.
496
00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:33,339
He's the one that did it."
497
00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:35,654
I always knew
he had killed her."
498
00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:38,781
♪
499
00:24:38,825 --> 00:24:42,215
And I'm like,
"What are you talking about?"
500
00:24:42,263 --> 00:24:44,533
And she said, "There's a –
501
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:46,490
There's
a 16-year-old girl up here
502
00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:49,138
in Georgia
that lived in my trailer park,
503
00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:50,583
and she went missing last year
504
00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:53,619
and they found her bones
and she had been murdered.
505
00:24:53,666 --> 00:24:57,886
And I always thought he had
had something to do with it."
506
00:24:57,931 --> 00:24:59,541
Me and Paul looked
at each other
507
00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:01,935
and said,
"This in his first one."
508
00:25:01,978 --> 00:25:06,678
♪
509
00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:14,596
♪
510
00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:16,603
Alabama authorities have just learned
511
00:25:16,645 --> 00:25:18,205
that the man they have
in custody
512
00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:19,605
for the murder of Lisa Nichols
513
00:25:19,648 --> 00:25:21,738
may have also committed
another murder
514
00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,091
six months earlier
515
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,740
and 400 miles away
in neighboring Georgia.
516
00:25:27,787 --> 00:25:29,957
The body of 16-year-old
Amanda Greenwell
517
00:25:30,006 --> 00:25:33,916
was found a month after
she went missing in March 2004.
518
00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:37,447
She'd been beaten, raped,
and her neck was broken.
519
00:25:37,492 --> 00:25:40,762
The case was still unsolved.
520
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,370
His girlfriend said
that the day
521
00:25:43,411 --> 00:25:45,941
before the body was discovered,
522
00:25:45,979 --> 00:25:50,809
John Chapman came home, was
scratched up, had dirty clothes,
523
00:25:50,853 --> 00:25:53,733
and immediately took
his clothes off,
524
00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:55,639
put them in the washing machine,
which he never did,
525
00:25:55,684 --> 00:25:57,954
and – and took a shower.
526
00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,651
She was alleging
that – that she suspected
527
00:26:00,689 --> 00:26:03,949
that her boyfriend killed,
528
00:26:03,997 --> 00:26:05,427
you know,
the juvenile that was –
529
00:26:05,476 --> 00:26:07,436
lived in that trailer park.
530
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:10,790
Hang up from her.
531
00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:13,010
I called Douglasville, Georgia,
and confirmed the murder
532
00:26:13,049 --> 00:26:16,489
they had worked up there
of the 16-year-old girl.
533
00:26:16,531 --> 00:26:21,801
It became evident that Lisa's
murder wasn't his first time.
534
00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:24,411
And, you know, I thought
we'd be dealing
535
00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:25,542
with the serial killer.
536
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:28,244
♪
537
00:26:28,282 --> 00:26:31,722
I was devastated that something
like that could happen,
538
00:26:31,764 --> 00:26:34,814
but we would not speak with him
about other crimes
539
00:26:34,854 --> 00:26:38,904
until he told us the truth
about Lisa Nichols.
540
00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:41,505
Detectives worry that Chapman's
rambling statements
541
00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:43,166
in his interrogation
won't be enough
542
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:45,910
to ensure a conviction
for killing Lisa.
543
00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:49,782
So they come up with a plan
to coax more details out of him.
544
00:26:49,825 --> 00:26:52,215
The next day,
we made the decision
545
00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:56,012
to just kind of play a bluff
and see what happened.
546
00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:59,879
We did obviously fingerprint the
beer cans from the crime scene,
547
00:26:59,922 --> 00:27:02,932
but there was nothing
there to really get.
548
00:27:02,969 --> 00:27:06,709
But I went downstairs
and got our crime scene unit
549
00:27:06,755 --> 00:27:08,095
to take some of my prints
550
00:27:08,148 --> 00:27:09,848
and put them on
a little three-by-five card
551
00:27:09,889 --> 00:27:12,149
like we would normally do
when you're printing a scene.
552
00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:15,155
So when he kept saying,
"No, I didn't go in and, well,
553
00:27:15,198 --> 00:27:18,678
I just went in the kitchen
to throw my beer can away,"
554
00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:20,734
I said, "Well, John,
you have another can
555
00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:23,859
that is in the master bedroom
with your prints on it."
556
00:27:23,903 --> 00:27:26,953
And I laid down that print card,
and you could see
557
00:27:26,993 --> 00:27:29,083
that his expression changed.
558
00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:31,425
Oh, man.
559
00:27:31,475 --> 00:27:34,865
That's when he kind of,
"Alright, guys, you've got me.
560
00:27:34,914 --> 00:27:37,664
I know all the stuff I told you
yesterday didn't work.
561
00:27:37,699 --> 00:27:40,619
- This is what I did it."
- [Indistinct]
562
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:41,919
He told us
when he first went over there,
563
00:27:41,964 --> 00:27:43,844
she wouldn't let him inside.
564
00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:07,160
This boy could cry
at any minute he wanted to.
565
00:28:07,207 --> 00:28:09,987
I mean, he – he could turn
on the tears, and he –
566
00:28:10,036 --> 00:28:13,426
he just did that to talk his way
into the mobile home.
567
00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:19,132
So once he got her inside,
that was it.
568
00:28:19,175 --> 00:28:21,995
You said, "I went over there
to rape her
569
00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:25,178
and she fought like a wild cat,
so I killed the bitch."
570
00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:29,965
♪
571
00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:33,892
And just cold chills
went down you,
572
00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:36,929
and he just...
nonchalant said it.
573
00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:51,080
When he said that,
he basically confessed
574
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,120
and he's charged with murder.
575
00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:55,996
♪
576
00:28:56,038 --> 00:29:00,088
We were at the florist picking
out flowers for my mom's service
577
00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:05,659
and Detective Burch called,
and he said, "We got him."
578
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,960
♪
579
00:29:08,007 --> 00:29:10,967
I said, "What do you mean
you have him?"
580
00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:14,750
He says, "We have him."
I said, "How sure are you?"
581
00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:17,316
And he was like,
"I'm 99.9% sure."
582
00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:26,294
♪
583
00:29:26,329 --> 00:29:29,769
Lisa's family is stunned
when they recognize the killer
584
00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:31,331
as one of the men
they approached for help
585
00:29:31,378 --> 00:29:35,028
after discovering her body
in the burnt-out trailer.
586
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,336
It was the man
with the gray sideburns.
587
00:29:40,387 --> 00:29:44,347
It was the third guy
from the night we found her.
588
00:29:44,391 --> 00:29:48,441
And I just remember telling
Detective Burch, I said,
589
00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:51,402
"That's him. That's the man
with the gray sideburns."
590
00:29:51,441 --> 00:29:55,011
Detectives have a confession
for Lisa Nichols' murder,
591
00:29:55,054 --> 00:29:57,844
but now they have information
that John Chapman was involved
592
00:29:57,883 --> 00:30:00,973
in yet another murder
of Amanda Greenwell.
593
00:30:01,016 --> 00:30:03,706
They decide to contact
law enforcement agencies
594
00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:05,798
outside their jurisdiction
to see
595
00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:08,197
if he can be tied
to other cases as well.
596
00:30:08,241 --> 00:30:10,981
Thinking he might have killed
other people,
597
00:30:11,026 --> 00:30:14,376
I did a brief synopsis
of the case we were working,
598
00:30:14,421 --> 00:30:18,731
which was attempted rape, murder
and arson, which is unique.
599
00:30:18,773 --> 00:30:20,383
I put the information in there.
600
00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:21,857
It was John Paul Chapman,
601
00:30:21,907 --> 00:30:24,427
had his date of birth
and social security number.
602
00:30:24,474 --> 00:30:26,874
♪
603
00:30:26,912 --> 00:30:31,352
I get a phone call,
Missouri State Prison...
604
00:30:31,394 --> 00:30:34,224
regarding the teletype
that we sent out.
605
00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:37,917
And, you know, the person on
the other end of the phone says,
606
00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:41,186
"Look, you know,
I've got y'all's bulletin.
607
00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:43,230
I don't know
who you all have,
608
00:30:43,276 --> 00:30:46,756
but we have John Paul Chapman
in our prison,
609
00:30:46,801 --> 00:30:49,061
same social,
same date of birth,
610
00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:51,498
and he's been here
a number of years for robbery.
611
00:30:51,545 --> 00:30:54,895
♪
612
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:57,070
So he could not have committed,
613
00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,466
you know, the crimes
that y'all are looking at.
614
00:30:59,509 --> 00:31:02,249
♪
615
00:31:02,295 --> 00:31:05,465
So I don't know who you have,
but it's not John Paul Chapman."
616
00:31:05,515 --> 00:31:07,645
♪
617
00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:09,431
Now we're trying to figure out
618
00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:11,996
who we have in our jail
across the street
619
00:31:12,044 --> 00:31:15,444
and –
and who this suspect really is.
620
00:31:15,482 --> 00:31:19,142
♪
621
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,100
♪
622
00:31:26,145 --> 00:31:27,665
Mobile County, Alabama,
623
00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:30,371
investigators are stunned
to learn the man they charged
624
00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:34,280
with the murder of Lisa Nichols
is not who he claims to be
625
00:31:34,327 --> 00:31:39,107
and the real John Chapman
is behind bars in Missouri.
626
00:31:39,158 --> 00:31:41,328
I went and called his
girlfriend, Vickie.
627
00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:44,897
She knew him only by Chapman,
and questioned her
628
00:31:44,946 --> 00:31:46,766
some more about his family
629
00:31:46,817 --> 00:31:48,687
and she said
she had met his mother.
630
00:31:48,732 --> 00:31:52,352
Her name was Jenny Beard,
and she lived in Oklahoma.
631
00:31:52,388 --> 00:31:53,648
And so...
632
00:31:53,694 --> 00:31:57,874
I call Miami, Oklahoma,
a little small town,
633
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:02,216
and I get this young
new detective.
634
00:32:02,268 --> 00:32:05,528
And I said, "We're looking to
try to identify this person"
635
00:32:05,575 --> 00:32:07,875
and said,
"his mother's Jenny Beard.
636
00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:09,966
Does that name ring a bell?"
637
00:32:10,015 --> 00:32:13,885
He goes, "Tell me you got
Jeremy Jones in custody.
638
00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,632
We want him
for rape in Oklahoma,
639
00:32:15,672 --> 00:32:18,202
and we've been looking
for him for a while."
640
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,460
Within five minutes, he had
faxed us a picture of him,
641
00:32:21,504 --> 00:32:22,724
and it was Jeremy.
642
00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:24,506
Jeremy Bryan Jones.
643
00:32:24,551 --> 00:32:31,251
♪
644
00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:34,037
We went across the street
to the jail
645
00:32:34,082 --> 00:32:38,432
and had him brought
to the administration office.
646
00:32:40,436 --> 00:32:44,746
I said, you know,
"How you doing today, Jeremy?"
647
00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:49,228
And the color just like
left, you know, left his face
648
00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:51,141
and he looked in disbelief,
649
00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:54,756
almost like "I hadn't heard
my name in years."
650
00:32:54,798 --> 00:32:58,758
And I said, "Well, you know,
we have you identified.
651
00:32:58,802 --> 00:33:00,022
We know who you are.
652
00:33:00,065 --> 00:33:01,455
Here's your fingerprints,
you know,
653
00:33:01,501 --> 00:33:05,031
and here's warrants
you're being served with,
654
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:09,120
and all felonies,
a number of them from Oklahoma."
655
00:33:09,161 --> 00:33:11,081
You know, we interviewed him
for several hours
656
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,299
and he gave us
more of the puzzle.
657
00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:17,689
And he told us how he went
about changing his I.D.
658
00:33:17,734 --> 00:33:22,484
He was already on probation and
he made the decision to flee.
659
00:33:22,522 --> 00:33:27,092
And while he was on the run,
he stopped at a bar in Joplin,
660
00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:29,655
Missouri, started talking
with a woman at the bar,
661
00:33:29,703 --> 00:33:33,273
told her that he was on the run,
didn't say for what.
662
00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:36,275
She said, "Well,
my son's in prison.
663
00:33:36,318 --> 00:33:37,968
He's going to be there
for a long time.
664
00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,366
I'll sell you, you know,
665
00:33:39,408 --> 00:33:42,628
his Social Security card
and driver's license."
666
00:33:42,672 --> 00:33:46,422
And Jones said he paid her $50
or something along that line
667
00:33:46,459 --> 00:33:50,329
and lived his life that way
for a number of years.
668
00:33:50,376 --> 00:33:53,596
Fast forward, he ends up
in Douglasville, Georgia.
669
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,640
He gets arrested several times.
They fingerprint him.
670
00:33:56,686 --> 00:33:59,816
He gives them the name
John Paul Chapman.
671
00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:01,563
The fingerprints go to the FBI.
672
00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:05,784
And somebody made a booboo.
They didn't compare them.
673
00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:09,656
They actually had two files
for the same person,
674
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:13,359
one under Jeremy Jones
and one under John Chapman.
675
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:16,319
And that was a huge error. Huge.
676
00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:19,138
The fact there were two sets
of fingerprints on file
677
00:34:19,187 --> 00:34:21,227
made it impossible
to connect Jeremy Jones
678
00:34:21,276 --> 00:34:23,316
with his alias John Chapman,
679
00:34:23,365 --> 00:34:25,495
which devastated
Lisa Nichols' family.
680
00:34:25,541 --> 00:34:29,071
They found out
he was Jeremy Jones,
681
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:32,030
and we started finding out,
you know,
682
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,900
all this stuff with him.
683
00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:35,201
I was just angry.
684
00:34:35,247 --> 00:34:38,157
I was so mad because,
like, you know,
685
00:34:38,206 --> 00:34:42,336
he could have been stopped
and so many other...
686
00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:46,354
cases, like, it didn't have
to get that far.
687
00:34:46,388 --> 00:34:49,298
This man had no reason
to be out of jail.
688
00:34:49,348 --> 00:34:50,998
His crimes were so horrific.
689
00:34:51,045 --> 00:34:54,875
He was able to slip through the
fingers of law enforcement
690
00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:56,528
time and time again
691
00:34:56,572 --> 00:35:01,142
because of a technicality with
a fingerprint system federally.
692
00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:04,056
And because
of the discrepancies,
693
00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:05,892
he landed in the Mobile area
694
00:35:05,929 --> 00:35:09,369
and – and brutally murdered
one of our own.
695
00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:12,721
So we were disgusted.
696
00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:14,502
It's just unfathomable
697
00:35:14,547 --> 00:35:19,377
that he was sharing the same
oxygen as everyone else.
698
00:35:19,421 --> 00:35:21,381
With his true identity revealed,
699
00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:24,213
Jeremy Jones surprises
the Alabama detectives
700
00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:25,692
as he begins revealing
701
00:35:25,732 --> 00:35:28,782
even more about his past
than they've asked about.
702
00:35:39,311 --> 00:35:42,101
Jones said that he had warrants
on him for rape
703
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,450
and a variety of sex crimes.
704
00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:47,710
He confessed
to a number of crimes.
705
00:35:47,754 --> 00:35:50,504
Those were all the cases.
That's not our jurisdiction.
706
00:35:50,539 --> 00:35:52,889
But at that point,
we were really wanting
707
00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:57,073
to get information and help
those out-of-town agencies.
708
00:35:57,111 --> 00:35:59,461
The FBI sent a crew here
from Washington,
709
00:35:59,505 --> 00:36:02,635
and within a day
we had poster board
710
00:36:02,682 --> 00:36:05,602
all the way down the wall
of our interview room
711
00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:10,341
of every step Jeremy Jones
had done in the past 25 years.
712
00:36:10,385 --> 00:36:12,465
I mean, everywhere
he bought a car,
713
00:36:12,518 --> 00:36:14,168
got a ticket and got stopped.
714
00:36:14,215 --> 00:36:18,605
We're interviewing him about a
possible murder in New Orleans,
715
00:36:18,654 --> 00:36:22,404
and he finally confesses to it
and starts telling us,
716
00:36:22,441 --> 00:36:24,141
"Yeah, I saw this girl.
717
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:25,362
She was a prostitute.
718
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,490
She was walking down the street.
719
00:36:26,532 --> 00:36:28,272
I don't know what street it was.
720
00:36:28,316 --> 00:36:31,056
And I needed some sex,
so I stopped.
721
00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:33,971
We went at this warehouse.
722
00:36:34,017 --> 00:36:35,797
That's where I killed her."
723
00:36:35,845 --> 00:36:38,455
♪
724
00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:54,560
So we get on the phone
with the detectives,
725
00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:57,353
he gave them pinpoint directions
exactly where her body
726
00:36:57,389 --> 00:36:59,169
had been found
out in the parking lot
727
00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:01,777
and inside
where he killed her at.
728
00:37:01,828 --> 00:37:03,178
It was all true.
729
00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:08,661
♪
730
00:37:08,704 --> 00:37:12,194
Jeremy Jones has implicated
himself in at least two
731
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,800
unsolved murder cases –
732
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,540
Amanda Greenwell
in Douglasville, Georgia,
733
00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:19,412
and now Katherine Collins
in New Orleans.
734
00:37:19,454 --> 00:37:21,984
Meanwhile, prosecutors prepare
for a trial
735
00:37:22,022 --> 00:37:23,502
in the Lisa Nichols case,
736
00:37:23,545 --> 00:37:26,765
confident of the solid evidence
they have against Jones.
737
00:37:26,809 --> 00:37:29,859
It includes the murder weapon
and a bag of Jones' clothing
738
00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:32,379
handed over to police
by Lisa's neighbor.
739
00:37:32,424 --> 00:37:35,954
The .25 caliber pistol
was sent to the lab, tested,
740
00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:39,172
and then the bullets
came back to be the same.
741
00:37:39,213 --> 00:37:41,303
So we could definitively say
742
00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:42,906
that's the gun
that killed Lisa.
743
00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:45,826
We did DNA testing
on the clothing evidence,
744
00:37:45,872 --> 00:37:48,532
and I found positive
presumptive results
745
00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:52,180
on one item
that matched Lisa Nichols.
746
00:37:52,226 --> 00:37:53,706
And that's indisputable.
747
00:37:53,749 --> 00:37:57,229
And there was – there was
no logical explanation
748
00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,925
why Lisa Marie Nichols' DNA
749
00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:02,543
would be on Jeremy Bryan Jones'
clothing
750
00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:05,074
unless he killed her.
751
00:38:06,588 --> 00:38:08,978
Jones unexpectedly adds
to that evidence
752
00:38:09,025 --> 00:38:13,765
and to his confession
with a surprise move from jail.
753
00:38:14,727 --> 00:38:15,767
[Ringing]
754
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:36,750
♪
755
00:38:36,792 --> 00:38:37,882
[Ringing]
756
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,930
Jeremy Jones is
awaiting trial in Alabama
757
00:38:46,976 --> 00:38:50,806
for killing Lisa Nichols,
but he's not waiting quietly.
758
00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:53,370
He makes a phone call
from the Mobile County jail
759
00:38:53,418 --> 00:38:55,588
to Mark Bentley,
Lisa's neighbor,
760
00:38:55,637 --> 00:38:58,507
who he was living with
at the time of the murder.
761
00:39:10,217 --> 00:39:12,347
I've talked to Mark
a few times,
762
00:39:12,393 --> 00:39:13,573
you know, over the years, and –
763
00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:15,662
and it still affects him
to this day.
764
00:39:15,701 --> 00:39:19,491
He was devastated
that someone in his home
765
00:39:19,531 --> 00:39:22,231
did that to another human being.
766
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:38,380
Jones made admissions
to Mark on a recorded line
767
00:39:38,419 --> 00:39:39,989
knowing he's being recorded.
768
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:42,679
You know, that was a pretty
crucial piece of evidence.
769
00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:45,858
♪
770
00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:49,125
He basically confessed
on the phone to Mark
771
00:39:49,169 --> 00:39:50,389
that he had done it all,
772
00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:52,611
which was just icing
on the cake.
773
00:39:52,651 --> 00:39:54,521
Obviously,
there's a lot of preparation
774
00:39:54,566 --> 00:39:55,776
that goes into a trial,
775
00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:58,738
especially a capital
murder trial.
776
00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:04,007
We had to make sure we stayed
focused on Lisa Nichols...
777
00:40:04,053 --> 00:40:08,883
you know, and not these cases
outside of this jurisdiction.
778
00:40:08,928 --> 00:40:11,448
Mark Bentley was a really
crucial witness
779
00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:12,796
during the trial.
780
00:40:12,845 --> 00:40:16,455
Jones confessed
to Mark over the phone,
781
00:40:16,501 --> 00:40:19,291
and Mark had to validate
that phone call.
782
00:40:19,329 --> 00:40:21,159
And that was huge in the trial.
783
00:40:21,201 --> 00:40:25,031
♪
784
00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:28,474
If any case ever warranted
the death penalty,
785
00:40:28,513 --> 00:40:30,043
this would be one.
786
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:34,779
I mean, you have a truly
innocent victim who is already,
787
00:40:34,823 --> 00:40:37,093
you know, struggling after
a hurricane just hit.
788
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:42,180
And then you've got, you know,
a monster who took her life
789
00:40:42,222 --> 00:40:44,792
and set her on fire.
790
00:40:44,833 --> 00:40:47,663
He was on crystal meth.
791
00:40:47,706 --> 00:40:51,356
This was drug-induced
rape and homicide.
792
00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:52,835
He was on crystal meth.
793
00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:55,445
He wasn't thinking of anything
but getting another fix.
794
00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:56,886
That's all he cared about.
795
00:40:56,932 --> 00:40:59,542
♪
796
00:40:59,587 --> 00:41:01,717
The jury,
it didn't take them long.
797
00:41:01,763 --> 00:41:04,463
Their mind was made up.
798
00:41:04,505 --> 00:41:06,985
Came back guilty very quick
799
00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:11,689
and then sentenced to death quick.
800
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:14,780
It was a slam dunk
801
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:18,350
and it was a big relief,
you know, for the family.
802
00:41:18,388 --> 00:41:21,778
You know, that doesn't give them
their mom back, you know,
803
00:41:21,827 --> 00:41:24,657
but it gives them
a sense of justice.
804
00:41:27,354 --> 00:41:30,714
That was...
it was a moment
805
00:41:30,749 --> 00:41:32,269
where I really felt
like I could breathe
806
00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:38,965
for the first time
in a very long time because...
807
00:41:39,018 --> 00:41:40,498
we did it.
808
00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:43,151
We did it.
We got justice.
809
00:41:43,196 --> 00:41:46,766
We got the justice
that we wanted.
810
00:41:46,808 --> 00:41:50,288
That part of it was over.
We did it.
811
00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:55,773
So it was – it was a good day.
It was a good day.
812
00:41:55,817 --> 00:41:59,387
The FBI later issued
a statement,
813
00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:00,999
an apology to the family,
814
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,910
that there were errors made
in the fingerprinting process
815
00:42:04,957 --> 00:42:08,827
during his arrest in Georgia.
816
00:42:08,874 --> 00:42:13,184
Had they caught him in Georgia
by his fingerprints,
817
00:42:13,226 --> 00:42:16,006
he would have been
extradited back to Oklahoma.
818
00:42:16,055 --> 00:42:19,795
He would have never been
in Alabama.
819
00:42:19,841 --> 00:42:22,631
My mom, ultimately
she would still be alive
820
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:24,370
is what it came down to.
821
00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:26,671
♪
822
00:42:26,718 --> 00:42:30,418
I feel like my mom died
a true hero
823
00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:32,940
because she stopped him.
824
00:42:32,985 --> 00:42:35,675
Jeremy Jones was not
going to stop killing.
825
00:42:35,727 --> 00:42:37,987
He was not going to stop
raping innocent women.
826
00:42:38,033 --> 00:42:40,083
He was not going
to stop abusing drugs.
827
00:42:40,122 --> 00:42:42,042
He was going to keep
being a criminal.
828
00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:46,221
I guess the lasting impact
is just everything
829
00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:47,829
that I know she misses.
830
00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:52,399
Like, you know, she missed...
831
00:42:52,439 --> 00:42:55,439
like... what we've become.
832
00:42:55,485 --> 00:42:56,875
I didn't have my mom
at my wedding.
833
00:42:56,922 --> 00:42:59,792
She missed, you know, my
daughter graduating high school.
834
00:42:59,838 --> 00:43:02,058
She missed my daughter
graduating college.
835
00:43:02,101 --> 00:43:07,021
And I sit here and go, like, I
know she would be proud of us.
836
00:43:07,062 --> 00:43:16,032
♪
837
00:43:16,071 --> 00:43:25,041
♪
838
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,080
♪
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