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Just chaos and destruction. 3 00:00:07,224 --> 00:00:09,054 There was a charred body of a female 4 00:00:09,096 --> 00:00:11,616 lying face up on the floor. 5 00:00:11,663 --> 00:00:14,453 There's no way to describe it. 6 00:00:14,492 --> 00:00:16,282 This was not an accident. 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,280 The pathologist throws the blanket off of her, 8 00:00:19,323 --> 00:00:22,073 and he goes, "These are bullet holes. 9 00:00:22,109 --> 00:00:24,069 You got a homicide." 10 00:00:24,111 --> 00:00:27,291 Who would do this in her own home? 11 00:00:27,331 --> 00:00:29,811 You've got a monster who took her life 12 00:00:29,855 --> 00:00:31,285 and set it on fire. 13 00:00:31,335 --> 00:00:34,505 She goes, "Oh, my God, he did it." 14 00:00:37,428 --> 00:00:40,128 And I thought we'd be dealing with a serial killer. 15 00:00:40,170 --> 00:00:42,480 It's just unfathomable that he was 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,090 sharing the same oxygen as everyone else. 17 00:00:45,132 --> 00:00:47,312 The person on the other end of the phone says, 18 00:00:47,351 --> 00:00:48,961 "He could not have committed the crimes 19 00:00:49,005 --> 00:00:50,655 that y'all are looking at." 20 00:00:50,702 --> 00:00:57,542 ♪ 21 00:00:57,579 --> 00:01:04,499 ♪ 22 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:11,202 ♪ 23 00:01:11,245 --> 00:01:13,325 In the heart of Mobile County, Alabama, 24 00:01:13,377 --> 00:01:15,987 just 50 miles from the Gulf Coast 25 00:01:16,032 --> 00:01:17,822 lies the tiny town of Chunchula. 26 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:21,820 You definitely would know if someone didn't belong there. 27 00:01:21,864 --> 00:01:23,654 The people that live there know pretty much everybody 28 00:01:23,692 --> 00:01:25,612 that lives there. 29 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:28,220 It was just, you know, kind of a working class, 30 00:01:28,262 --> 00:01:30,482 you know, small rural area. 31 00:01:30,525 --> 00:01:35,355 The closest convenience store was 30, 40 minutes away. 32 00:01:35,399 --> 00:01:37,969 Even though we live in paradise, 33 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,620 we are next to the beaches. 34 00:01:39,664 --> 00:01:42,584 It's just a given that that comes with a price. 35 00:01:42,624 --> 00:01:46,454 ♪ 36 00:01:46,497 --> 00:01:49,937 Hurricanes are just a part of our culture. 37 00:01:49,979 --> 00:01:52,159 We prepare for it every season. 38 00:01:52,199 --> 00:01:54,719 Sometimes there's an evacuation plan. 39 00:01:54,766 --> 00:01:56,196 People, they panic. 40 00:01:56,246 --> 00:02:00,596 So law enforcement has to deal with the chaos of that. 41 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:04,730 In 2004, Ivan was 42 00:02:04,776 --> 00:02:08,216 one of the biggest hurricanes we'd had in recent times 43 00:02:08,258 --> 00:02:11,478 in the heart of Mobile County, Alabama. 44 00:02:11,522 --> 00:02:15,272 ♪ 45 00:02:15,309 --> 00:02:18,139 And this hurricane brought a lot of devastation. 46 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:21,621 The power was out for an extended period of time. 47 00:02:24,187 --> 00:02:27,227 I just got home from hurricane duty 48 00:02:27,277 --> 00:02:29,497 and literally had just laid down when I received the call 49 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:32,060 from dispatch, you know, about a female body 50 00:02:32,108 --> 00:02:33,938 being found inside a mobile home 51 00:02:33,979 --> 00:02:35,679 by her daughter. 52 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,070 [Siren wailing] 53 00:02:39,115 --> 00:02:40,935 I headed out there. It was extremely dark. 54 00:02:40,986 --> 00:02:42,206 There was still a lot of roadways 55 00:02:42,249 --> 00:02:43,639 that weren't completely cleared, 56 00:02:43,685 --> 00:02:45,115 so you have to go slowly 57 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:46,815 and, you know, look for trees 58 00:02:46,862 --> 00:02:49,172 partially in the road. 59 00:02:49,212 --> 00:02:50,692 When we got there, 60 00:02:50,735 --> 00:02:56,385 I met with the deputies on the scene and got a briefing. 61 00:02:59,004 --> 00:03:00,274 Immediately upon entry, 62 00:03:00,310 --> 00:03:03,100 you could tell there had been a fire, 63 00:03:03,139 --> 00:03:06,269 but not throughout the home. 64 00:03:06,316 --> 00:03:11,096 ♪ 65 00:03:11,147 --> 00:03:12,707 As you got closer to the bedroom, 66 00:03:12,757 --> 00:03:14,107 you could tell, you know, 67 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:17,200 there was more intense fire in that area. 68 00:03:19,677 --> 00:03:21,457 And then looking into the bathroom, 69 00:03:21,505 --> 00:03:23,855 that was clearly the source of the fire. 70 00:03:23,899 --> 00:03:27,509 And there was a charred body – hard to identify. 71 00:03:27,555 --> 00:03:29,635 ♪ 72 00:03:29,687 --> 00:03:33,777 Female lying face up on the floor. 73 00:03:33,822 --> 00:03:36,692 I'm thinking she had a Coleman lantern or something like that. 74 00:03:36,738 --> 00:03:41,128 It knocked over, caught on fire. It was an accident. 75 00:03:41,177 --> 00:03:44,307 You know, that was just first impression. 76 00:03:44,354 --> 00:03:47,534 But the coroner got there and we moved the body. 77 00:03:47,575 --> 00:03:50,355 That's when you could smell the gasoline. 78 00:03:50,404 --> 00:03:53,844 The fire marshal, he's got test kits, which he tested. 79 00:03:53,885 --> 00:03:55,275 And, yes, it was gasoline. 80 00:03:55,322 --> 00:03:59,152 Then he said, "The fire originated right here," 81 00:03:59,195 --> 00:04:02,015 which was right between her legs. 82 00:04:02,067 --> 00:04:03,977 I mean, it was right there. 83 00:04:04,026 --> 00:04:06,286 That's where the most intense heat was. 84 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:10,163 It actually burned through the floor. 85 00:04:10,206 --> 00:04:11,466 There did not appear to be any clothing, 86 00:04:11,512 --> 00:04:14,342 because usually when there's a burned body, 87 00:04:14,384 --> 00:04:17,044 you can still see remnants of clothing. 88 00:04:17,082 --> 00:04:19,222 The bathtub was full of water, 89 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:21,349 which is what people do during a hurricane, 90 00:04:21,391 --> 00:04:24,221 because a lot of times water service is interrupted. 91 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:29,054 But it was clear there was a really dark red tone 92 00:04:29,094 --> 00:04:31,314 to the water, as if there were blood. 93 00:04:31,358 --> 00:04:36,058 And then some of her clothing was in the tub. 94 00:04:36,101 --> 00:04:37,671 At that point, it made us believe 95 00:04:37,712 --> 00:04:39,802 that there had, you know, been foul play 96 00:04:39,844 --> 00:04:43,504 and someone had set her on fire. 97 00:04:45,241 --> 00:04:47,461 We knew that we were looking for someone 98 00:04:47,504 --> 00:04:50,864 who didn't want to leave evidence of their crime. 99 00:04:50,899 --> 00:04:56,249 And obviously fire is the easiest way to destroy evidence. 100 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:57,466 You know, an autopsy is the only thing 101 00:04:57,514 --> 00:05:00,174 that's going to reveal what killed her. 102 00:05:00,212 --> 00:05:03,562 ♪ 103 00:05:03,607 --> 00:05:07,387 We moved the body to the forensic science building 104 00:05:07,437 --> 00:05:11,567 for the autopsy, and then we talked to the family, 105 00:05:11,615 --> 00:05:14,485 and of course they were distraught and uncontrollable. 106 00:05:14,531 --> 00:05:16,581 Family members identify the victim 107 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:18,880 as 44-year-old Lisa Nichols. 108 00:05:18,927 --> 00:05:21,757 With the reality of the murder still settling in, 109 00:05:21,799 --> 00:05:24,369 the family provides detectives with information 110 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:26,061 about who Lisa was. 111 00:05:26,108 --> 00:05:30,328 My mom was a very happy person, loving. Everybody loved her. 112 00:05:30,373 --> 00:05:34,333 She – She loved to cook. She loved her grandkids. 113 00:05:34,377 --> 00:05:36,467 She loved going to the beach. 114 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:38,510 And I hate to sound so cliche about it, 115 00:05:38,555 --> 00:05:40,595 but, like, she was my best friend. 116 00:05:40,644 --> 00:05:43,474 Like, we talked on the phone three or four times a day. 117 00:05:43,517 --> 00:05:46,647 My mom lived in a very rural part of north Mobile County, 118 00:05:46,694 --> 00:05:49,654 and she started working for a local grocery store. 119 00:05:49,697 --> 00:05:52,477 She was probably in it for a good 20 years. 120 00:05:52,526 --> 00:05:55,566 My mom definitely struggled in finding the perfect guy, 121 00:05:55,616 --> 00:05:57,876 as I think every person does. 122 00:05:57,922 --> 00:05:59,402 Um... 123 00:05:59,446 --> 00:06:01,796 so she had a lot of boyfriends or relationships 124 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,709 that she would get involved in and they wouldn't work out. 125 00:06:04,755 --> 00:06:06,795 And then she would be left without a place, you know, 126 00:06:06,844 --> 00:06:08,934 to live because she would move in with these people. 127 00:06:08,977 --> 00:06:12,277 And it finally got to a point where the last one, 128 00:06:12,328 --> 00:06:13,418 my sister and I just told her, 129 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:14,640 like, "You gotta stop this. 130 00:06:14,678 --> 00:06:16,508 It's time for you to get your own place." 131 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:19,640 She went and found a mobile home 132 00:06:19,683 --> 00:06:23,383 and she was going to start building her own life out there. 133 00:06:23,426 --> 00:06:25,726 She loved being out in the country. 134 00:06:28,344 --> 00:06:29,744 Investigators question the family 135 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:32,830 about Lisa's whereabouts over the past several days, 136 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:35,440 including where she may have sheltered during the hurricane 137 00:06:35,482 --> 00:06:37,832 that just passed through town. 138 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:40,785 Ivan was projected to be a pretty big storm 139 00:06:40,835 --> 00:06:42,175 for us down here. 140 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:45,447 To be 100% safe, my mother came down. 141 00:06:45,492 --> 00:06:48,802 She stayed that night at the hotel with our family. 142 00:06:48,843 --> 00:06:51,983 We sheltered at a hotel for two days. 143 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:56,760 All the power was out. I mean, just chaos and destruction. 144 00:06:56,807 --> 00:07:00,637 ♪ 145 00:07:00,681 --> 00:07:04,901 The day after the hurricane, I was at home cleaning up 146 00:07:04,946 --> 00:07:08,686 and I tried to convince my mom to stay because we had power. 147 00:07:08,732 --> 00:07:11,562 She didn't have power, but she wanted to go home. 148 00:07:11,605 --> 00:07:15,865 So she went back to her place. 149 00:07:15,913 --> 00:07:19,093 I know when she got home, she had checked in. 150 00:07:19,134 --> 00:07:22,534 The next morning we tried to call her a couple times. 151 00:07:22,572 --> 00:07:26,492 She didn't always get great cellphone signal up there. 152 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:30,453 And then with the power being out and all that stuff, 153 00:07:30,493 --> 00:07:31,933 that was our first thought. 154 00:07:31,973 --> 00:07:35,723 "Oh, she's just not getting our calls or she's busy." 155 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:39,369 At first, we didn't have that much concern. 156 00:07:39,415 --> 00:07:41,585 It wasn't till later in the evening 157 00:07:41,635 --> 00:07:45,725 when we had touched base with my sister and then my aunt 158 00:07:45,769 --> 00:07:48,949 and all realized none of us had talked to her. 159 00:07:48,990 --> 00:07:51,210 ♪ 160 00:07:51,253 --> 00:07:52,653 My mother probably lived – 161 00:07:52,689 --> 00:07:55,739 It was probably about an hour or so away from us. 162 00:07:55,779 --> 00:07:58,089 We're like, "Okay, something – like, 163 00:07:58,129 --> 00:07:59,829 we need to go check on her." 164 00:07:59,870 --> 00:08:03,480 ♪ 165 00:08:03,526 --> 00:08:05,616 I remember, you know, we all brought flashlights 166 00:08:05,659 --> 00:08:07,919 because we knew there was going to be no power. 167 00:08:07,965 --> 00:08:11,875 One of the first things that I noticed when we opened the door, 168 00:08:11,926 --> 00:08:15,756 smoke just took us over – the smell of smoke and soot. 169 00:08:15,799 --> 00:08:18,589 I just was like, "Where – Where is she?" 170 00:08:18,628 --> 00:08:21,848 At that moment, I think Todd took the lead. 171 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,680 I'm glad they did not see anything. 172 00:08:28,986 --> 00:08:31,116 It's probably the worst day of my life. 173 00:08:31,162 --> 00:08:36,472 ♪ 174 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:38,866 There's no way to even describe it. 175 00:08:40,694 --> 00:08:45,004 And he turned and looked into her bathroom. 176 00:08:48,702 --> 00:08:51,232 And after he looked in her bathroom, I just remember him 177 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:53,269 grabbing my sister and was like, 178 00:08:53,315 --> 00:08:58,835 "You got to get her out of here. It's too late. Y'all call help." 179 00:08:58,886 --> 00:09:02,716 I just remember running out of the house screaming, 180 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:05,889 you know, "Help, somebody call 911." 181 00:09:05,936 --> 00:09:09,936 ♪ 182 00:09:09,984 --> 00:09:12,254 So none of our cellphones would work. 183 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:14,080 Cellphone towers were down everywhere. 184 00:09:14,118 --> 00:09:16,598 I remember going to a couple of neighbors' houses first, 185 00:09:16,643 --> 00:09:19,473 banging on their doors. 186 00:09:19,515 --> 00:09:21,555 [Pounding] 187 00:09:21,604 --> 00:09:23,614 After knocking on several doors, 188 00:09:23,650 --> 00:09:25,740 one finally opens. 189 00:09:25,782 --> 00:09:27,832 And I was like, my mom needed help. 190 00:09:27,871 --> 00:09:30,831 That's all I can say at that moment was she needed help. 191 00:09:30,874 --> 00:09:33,884 And Mark Bentley who was always kind of looking out for my mom, 192 00:09:33,921 --> 00:09:37,141 he and who we now know was "Scooter" Coleman 193 00:09:37,185 --> 00:09:39,835 ran to my mom's house. 194 00:09:39,883 --> 00:09:43,893 There was another guy that stayed in the Bentleys' home 195 00:09:43,931 --> 00:09:46,541 with gray sideburns, 196 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:48,626 but he didn't ever offer to help. 197 00:09:48,675 --> 00:09:51,845 [Sirens wailing] 198 00:09:51,895 --> 00:09:54,855 After talking with the family, the decision was made 199 00:09:54,898 --> 00:10:00,118 because there was no lighting or electricity that we, 200 00:10:00,164 --> 00:10:03,394 you know, back out of the scene so as not to trample, 201 00:10:03,428 --> 00:10:05,038 you know, any potential evidence 202 00:10:05,082 --> 00:10:09,222 and wait until daylight to continue the investigation. 203 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:15,050 ♪ 204 00:10:15,092 --> 00:10:20,662 ♪ 205 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:22,877 I think it's about 530, 6:00 that morning, 206 00:10:22,926 --> 00:10:26,756 the coroner came in and found what he thought 207 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,190 were stab wounds in the head. 208 00:10:28,236 --> 00:10:30,236 That was his first reaction and said this girl's 209 00:10:30,281 --> 00:10:32,111 been stabbed in the head. 210 00:10:32,153 --> 00:10:35,683 The pathologist corrected himself and he goes, 211 00:10:35,722 --> 00:10:37,332 "Wait a minute, these are bullet holes. 212 00:10:37,375 --> 00:10:39,115 You've got a homicide for sure." 213 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,340 ♪ 214 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:43,730 There's not one single person 215 00:10:43,773 --> 00:10:45,123 in her life that would do that to her. 216 00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:46,726 Not one. 217 00:10:46,776 --> 00:10:49,686 We couldn't believe that it would be someone that she knew. 218 00:10:49,736 --> 00:10:53,166 There is a report of attempted robbery 219 00:10:53,217 --> 00:10:56,047 and a man running through somebody's house. 220 00:10:56,090 --> 00:10:57,920 So we shoot up there. 221 00:10:57,961 --> 00:11:00,051 As we're walking him to the patrol car, 222 00:11:00,094 --> 00:11:04,104 he says, "I had every intention of making you shoot me." 223 00:11:04,141 --> 00:11:06,451 It's just a very odd thing to say. 224 00:11:06,491 --> 00:11:09,151 ♪ 225 00:11:11,540 --> 00:11:13,240 ♪ 226 00:11:13,281 --> 00:11:16,891 12 hours into the investigation of Lisa Nichols' death, 227 00:11:16,937 --> 00:11:19,027 the Mobile County, Alabama, coroner's office 228 00:11:19,069 --> 00:11:21,809 has determined this was a homicide 229 00:11:21,855 --> 00:11:24,375 based on bullet wounds found in her skull. 230 00:11:24,422 --> 00:11:28,172 Detective Burch called, and, um... 231 00:11:28,209 --> 00:11:30,819 I'll never forget what he said, honestly. 232 00:11:30,864 --> 00:11:33,214 He said that this was not an accident. 233 00:11:33,257 --> 00:11:38,177 ♪ 234 00:11:38,219 --> 00:11:40,699 That was rough. 235 00:11:40,743 --> 00:11:42,013 It was rough. 236 00:11:42,049 --> 00:11:44,659 I mean... 237 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:46,404 like I said – if it's a homicide, 238 00:11:46,444 --> 00:11:48,014 then you know someone did this. 239 00:11:48,055 --> 00:11:50,005 And it's like, who would do this 240 00:11:50,057 --> 00:11:51,617 in her own home? 241 00:11:51,667 --> 00:11:53,887 Like... 242 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:56,150 It was just hard. It was a hard day. 243 00:11:56,193 --> 00:12:03,553 ♪ 244 00:12:03,592 --> 00:12:05,032 Following the coroner's ruling, 245 00:12:05,072 --> 00:12:07,812 a murder investigation is officially launched. 246 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:10,727 Detectives return to the crime scene during the day 247 00:12:10,773 --> 00:12:12,733 in hopes of coming across any evidence 248 00:12:12,775 --> 00:12:15,905 that might lead them to a suspect. 249 00:12:15,952 --> 00:12:20,262 We were able to see on her back porch the victim's phone, 250 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:23,134 a pack of cigarets. 251 00:12:23,177 --> 00:12:26,747 What stuck out most to me was there was a small barbecue grill 252 00:12:26,789 --> 00:12:29,879 sitting on the back porch with charcoal, lighter, 253 00:12:29,923 --> 00:12:32,363 but it had never been lit. 254 00:12:32,403 --> 00:12:34,883 Something had interrupted her 255 00:12:34,928 --> 00:12:37,228 during that time where she's preparing, you know, 256 00:12:37,278 --> 00:12:38,538 to cook dinner. 257 00:12:38,583 --> 00:12:41,803 ♪ 258 00:12:41,848 --> 00:12:44,198 While collecting evidence, we, you know, 259 00:12:44,241 --> 00:12:47,771 discovered there are two types of beer cans in the home. 260 00:12:49,377 --> 00:12:52,677 We found a beer canned upside down in the sink, 261 00:12:52,728 --> 00:12:55,778 which after interviewing the daughters, 262 00:12:55,818 --> 00:12:57,558 they told us "That's what my mother would do, 263 00:12:57,602 --> 00:12:59,132 is she would drink a beer. 264 00:12:59,169 --> 00:13:01,259 When she finished it, she'd turn it upside down in the sink, 265 00:13:01,302 --> 00:13:02,872 let all the beer drain out of it. 266 00:13:02,912 --> 00:13:05,482 Then she'd crush the can because she would sell 267 00:13:05,523 --> 00:13:06,483 the aluminum." 268 00:13:06,524 --> 00:13:08,184 The beer can in the sink 269 00:13:08,222 --> 00:13:09,572 was obviously hers. 270 00:13:09,614 --> 00:13:12,754 And the beer can that we saw sitting on the floor 271 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:16,532 could be the suspect's. 272 00:13:16,578 --> 00:13:17,928 Detectives photograph the cans 273 00:13:17,971 --> 00:13:20,451 and send them in for forensics. 274 00:13:22,018 --> 00:13:25,848 They then shift their focus to possible suspects. 275 00:13:25,892 --> 00:13:28,112 One of the questions the detectives kind of asked us 276 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:30,935 was 9 times out of 10 a crime like this, 277 00:13:30,984 --> 00:13:32,384 someone knew this person. 278 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:34,200 This isn't just your stranger. 279 00:13:34,248 --> 00:13:38,028 We couldn't believe that it would be someone that she knew. 280 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,040 We began interviewing, you know, 281 00:13:42,082 --> 00:13:44,822 those who were closest to her. 282 00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:47,777 You know, we talked with her ex-boyfriend 283 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:50,087 and talked with her ex-husbands, 284 00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:52,703 some of whom who actually came to check on her 285 00:13:52,744 --> 00:13:54,624 during the hurricane to make sure she didn't need anything. 286 00:13:54,659 --> 00:13:56,309 So she even, you know, 287 00:13:56,357 --> 00:13:58,877 maintained a good relationship with her exes 288 00:13:58,925 --> 00:14:01,315 because she was just that kind of a person. 289 00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:04,802 All of the potential persons of interest provide detectives 290 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:07,194 with a detailed alibi. 291 00:14:08,978 --> 00:14:12,238 They were completely cleared of any involvement. 292 00:14:12,286 --> 00:14:15,156 They had solid alibis, and, you know, 293 00:14:15,202 --> 00:14:18,992 you could tell clearly were devastated at Lisa's death. 294 00:14:19,032 --> 00:14:23,342 ♪ 295 00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:26,134 Detectives expand the investigation to other people 296 00:14:26,169 --> 00:14:30,349 who knew Lisa and may be able to shed light on her final days. 297 00:14:30,391 --> 00:14:33,391 This includes Mark Bentley, the neighbor her family ran to 298 00:14:33,437 --> 00:14:36,477 for help the night they discovered her body. 299 00:14:36,527 --> 00:14:38,047 There comes a time you just kind of pick up, 300 00:14:38,094 --> 00:14:40,014 you know, when someone is genuine. 301 00:14:40,053 --> 00:14:45,013 And Mark was clearly shaken, you know, by this case. 302 00:14:45,058 --> 00:14:47,668 He was devastated that something like that could happen 303 00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:49,542 right next door to him. 304 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:54,892 We asked him about who all was here last night. 305 00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:56,197 And he said, "Scooter 306 00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:58,423 and also a guy that works for me named 307 00:14:58,462 --> 00:14:59,942 John Paul Chapman." 308 00:14:59,986 --> 00:15:01,546 Mark was in the construction business. 309 00:15:01,596 --> 00:15:04,596 They were his off-and-on employees 310 00:15:04,642 --> 00:15:06,952 who lived with the Bentleys. 311 00:15:06,993 --> 00:15:09,653 Then detectives speak with Mark Bentley's houseguest, 312 00:15:09,691 --> 00:15:10,951 Scooter Coleman. 313 00:15:10,997 --> 00:15:12,347 He tells them about a strange event 314 00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:15,259 that occurred the night Hurricane Ivan hit. 315 00:15:15,305 --> 00:15:19,655 He said the day before the hurricane, Mark was packing up 316 00:15:19,701 --> 00:15:21,921 to take his family to safety. 317 00:15:21,964 --> 00:15:24,754 Offered John and Scooter to go with them. 318 00:15:24,793 --> 00:15:26,713 And they said, "No, I'll stay here. 319 00:15:26,751 --> 00:15:28,231 I'll take care of the place 320 00:15:28,275 --> 00:15:30,405 and make sure everything's fine while y'all are gone." 321 00:15:30,451 --> 00:15:33,671 Mark Bentley confirmed that he and his family left 322 00:15:33,715 --> 00:15:36,275 for Birmingham and got a motel room. 323 00:15:36,326 --> 00:15:42,246 Scooter, he told us that the night of the hurricane, 324 00:15:42,289 --> 00:15:46,509 he wanted some flashlights and batteries, you know, for radios 325 00:15:46,554 --> 00:15:48,084 and flashlights. 326 00:15:48,121 --> 00:15:52,861 While searching for those items, Scooter caught John Chapman 327 00:15:52,908 --> 00:15:57,388 going through a closet in the Bentleys' bedroom. 328 00:15:57,434 --> 00:16:04,224 They claim to be looking for a radio but had a small pistol. 329 00:16:04,267 --> 00:16:06,097 Scooter tells the detectives he doesn't know 330 00:16:06,139 --> 00:16:08,319 where John Chapman went after that, 331 00:16:08,358 --> 00:16:11,538 but he later found Mark's gun back in the closet. 332 00:16:11,579 --> 00:16:15,709 Scooter come walking with us with the gun in his hand 333 00:16:15,757 --> 00:16:17,407 for potential evidence. 334 00:16:17,454 --> 00:16:19,204 You know, the Bentleys also had given us 335 00:16:19,239 --> 00:16:21,199 a bag of Chapman's clothing, 336 00:16:21,241 --> 00:16:24,031 and then some of it was bloodstained. 337 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:26,380 To detectives, the story about the gun 338 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:30,210 and the bloody clothing make John Chapman a primary suspect. 339 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:33,640 ♪ 340 00:16:33,688 --> 00:16:34,948 We told Mark Bentley 341 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:37,044 we've needed to find John Paul Chapman. 342 00:16:37,083 --> 00:16:38,483 I said, "Where is he?" 343 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:40,169 "Uh, he left. 344 00:16:40,216 --> 00:16:43,256 I don't know where he went, but I'm sure he'll be back." 345 00:16:43,306 --> 00:16:45,176 I said, "Okay. We need to talk to him." 346 00:16:45,221 --> 00:16:49,971 So me and Paul sat on a sofa all night long. 347 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,709 While we waited, Mark was able to tell us 348 00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:54,669 that John worked for him a couple of years previous 349 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,059 working another hurricane 350 00:16:56,102 --> 00:16:59,192 doing debris cleanup and rebuilding. 351 00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:01,885 John was on the road, didn't have a place to stay. 352 00:17:01,933 --> 00:17:04,243 So Mark being the type of person he was, he said, 353 00:17:04,284 --> 00:17:06,164 "Well, I've got plenty of room at my house. 354 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:08,979 You can come stay at my house until you can get on your feet." 355 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,118 John went up there, moved in with them 356 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,600 and became friends with them. 357 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,820 They became hunting bodies and fishing buddies 358 00:17:14,859 --> 00:17:16,599 and – and worked. 359 00:17:16,644 --> 00:17:19,344 ♪ 360 00:17:19,386 --> 00:17:22,866 By the next morning, there was no signs of Chapman. 361 00:17:22,911 --> 00:17:24,741 We had to give up. 362 00:17:26,741 --> 00:17:29,351 We went back to the office. 363 00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:31,526 We had run a criminal history on him 364 00:17:31,572 --> 00:17:35,882 and he had an active warrant out of Douglasville, Georgia, 365 00:17:35,924 --> 00:17:37,624 for failure to show up in court. 366 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:42,315 ♪ 367 00:17:42,365 --> 00:17:45,105 The search for Chapman is coming up empty, 368 00:17:45,151 --> 00:17:47,811 but then Detective McRae receives a phone call 369 00:17:47,849 --> 00:17:50,069 promising to change that. 370 00:17:50,112 --> 00:17:53,722 All of a sudden, John Chapman, he called and said, 371 00:17:53,768 --> 00:17:55,858 "Hey," you know, nonchalant. 372 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:58,470 "Hey, what do you need? I'll come down and talk to y'all." 373 00:17:58,512 --> 00:18:01,122 He said, "It'll be a couple of hours before I can get there." 374 00:18:01,167 --> 00:18:02,687 And I'm waiting. 375 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,170 Of course, he never showed up. 376 00:18:06,215 --> 00:18:09,305 Obviously, that was a flag going up. 377 00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:15,139 He was acting pretty guilty, and I needed to find him. 378 00:18:15,181 --> 00:18:17,661 I needed to know more about this guy. 379 00:18:17,705 --> 00:18:19,445 ♪ 380 00:18:22,013 --> 00:18:26,413 ♪ 381 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:29,063 Detectives in Mobile County, Alabama, 382 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,588 have identified John Chapman 383 00:18:30,631 --> 00:18:33,551 as a person of interest in the murder of Lisa Nichols, 384 00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:36,550 but he fails to show up, as promised, for an interview 385 00:18:36,593 --> 00:18:40,163 and they're having trouble tracking him down. 386 00:18:40,206 --> 00:18:42,556 While we tried to contact Chapman, 387 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:46,339 there is a report of attempted robbery 388 00:18:46,386 --> 00:18:49,256 and a man running through somebody's house. 389 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:53,652 It's a small town, so we shoot up there, 390 00:18:53,697 --> 00:18:56,397 find out a known meth cook 391 00:18:56,439 --> 00:19:00,179 saw this guy grab a handful of meth 392 00:19:00,226 --> 00:19:02,876 and stick it in his pants. 393 00:19:02,924 --> 00:19:07,104 So that meth cook pulls out a gun and starts chasing him 394 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:10,406 but then lost him. 395 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:14,073 But the guy leaves this red Jeep Cherokee 396 00:19:14,109 --> 00:19:16,499 at the meth cook's house. 397 00:19:16,546 --> 00:19:20,456 When detectives run the plates, they get a surprise. 398 00:19:20,507 --> 00:19:23,027 It turned out the red Jeep Cherokee 399 00:19:23,074 --> 00:19:25,604 was John Paul Chapman's. 400 00:19:25,642 --> 00:19:29,262 ♪ 401 00:19:29,298 --> 00:19:32,648 And so we were able to seize it and have it towed. 402 00:19:32,693 --> 00:19:36,873 ♪ 403 00:19:36,914 --> 00:19:41,274 Well, the next morning I got a call from an unknown number, 404 00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:43,750 and it was Chapman. 405 00:19:45,619 --> 00:19:48,229 And he was just insistent that, you know, 406 00:19:48,274 --> 00:19:49,414 he didn't know anything. 407 00:19:49,449 --> 00:19:51,279 While I was speaking with him, 408 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,370 I got one of the other detectives to trace that number 409 00:19:55,411 --> 00:19:56,761 and I'm trying to keep him talking. 410 00:19:56,804 --> 00:19:59,764 We're getting closer and closer to the area. 411 00:19:59,807 --> 00:20:01,287 As we're pulling up, 412 00:20:01,330 --> 00:20:04,680 we could see two males in a truck, and we get out. 413 00:20:04,725 --> 00:20:07,205 And I could see that Chapman was the passenger 414 00:20:07,249 --> 00:20:08,469 and was on the phone. 415 00:20:08,511 --> 00:20:10,251 When I approached the vehicle, 416 00:20:10,296 --> 00:20:12,856 Chapman, he was really, really... 417 00:20:12,907 --> 00:20:16,347 I guess hyped up at the time, 418 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:19,389 very anxious and talking fast. 419 00:20:20,697 --> 00:20:25,397 And he had meth sores on his face, on his arms, and... 420 00:20:27,313 --> 00:20:28,663 You know, we got Chapman on the ground. 421 00:20:28,705 --> 00:20:31,705 As we're walking him to the patrol car, 422 00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:35,542 he says, "I had every intention of making you shoot me." 423 00:20:35,582 --> 00:20:38,412 It's just a very odd thing to say. 424 00:20:38,454 --> 00:20:41,724 And we learned from the driver that he didn't know Chapman, 425 00:20:41,762 --> 00:20:43,022 never met him before. 426 00:20:43,067 --> 00:20:44,287 He showed up at his house 427 00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:45,720 wanting a ride to the bus station. 428 00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:47,286 And he was willing to 429 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:49,423 take him to the bus station just to get him away. 430 00:20:49,465 --> 00:20:53,335 ♪ 431 00:20:53,382 --> 00:20:55,302 We got John arrested for failure 432 00:20:55,341 --> 00:20:57,561 to show up in court in Douglasville, Georgia. 433 00:20:57,604 --> 00:21:00,304 And we brought him down to the office, 434 00:21:00,346 --> 00:21:04,696 and me and Paul started an interview. 435 00:21:08,876 --> 00:21:11,436 It was apparent when we sat down with Chapman, 436 00:21:11,487 --> 00:21:14,357 you know, that he thought he was the smartest guy in the room. 437 00:21:14,403 --> 00:21:16,283 And when you're talking with someone like that, 438 00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:17,968 you got to play along with it, you know, 439 00:21:18,015 --> 00:21:19,665 or they'll shut down on you. 440 00:21:26,502 --> 00:21:28,642 But slowly and patiently, the detectives turn 441 00:21:28,678 --> 00:21:31,548 the conversation to the night that Hurricane Ivan hit 442 00:21:31,594 --> 00:21:33,814 and what they believe might have happened 443 00:21:33,857 --> 00:21:35,467 at Lisa Nichols' trailer. 444 00:21:35,511 --> 00:21:38,251 At first, Chapman wouldn't talk to us 445 00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:40,207 and denied ever being over there. 446 00:21:40,255 --> 00:21:43,255 And then, you know, we began throwing hints 447 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,612 that he was seen over there. 448 00:21:45,652 --> 00:21:48,352 And so he bit into that a little bit and said, 449 00:21:48,394 --> 00:21:50,834 "Well, you know, I went up to the back porch 450 00:21:50,874 --> 00:21:52,444 but never went inside." 451 00:21:52,485 --> 00:21:56,355 You know, the lady there, referring to Lisa, you know, 452 00:21:56,402 --> 00:22:00,412 engaged him in conversation and invite him over and... 453 00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:14,770 He'd tell us one story, and then he'd watch our reaction 454 00:22:14,811 --> 00:22:16,861 and then he'd say, "Oh, I missed that one up. 455 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:18,900 Let me change it a little. 456 00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:24,824 He gave us the story that he went over there and met Lisa 457 00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:28,825 and that she wanted to buy some crystal meth. 458 00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:32,309 And so he went and got some, then brought it back to her. 459 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:36,051 And they did crystal meth and had sex. 460 00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:47,406 Then he said then she OD'd and died. 461 00:22:47,453 --> 00:22:50,113 [Indistinct] 462 00:22:50,151 --> 00:22:52,681 So he got scared and he said, 463 00:22:52,719 --> 00:22:54,419 "Oh, no, they're going to blame me for killing her 464 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,420 since I bought the crystal meth." 465 00:22:56,462 --> 00:22:58,202 [Indistinct] 466 00:22:58,246 --> 00:23:00,726 "So I went and got a gun and I shot her 467 00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:03,730 so it'd look like she didn't die from the crystal meth." 468 00:23:03,773 --> 00:23:05,823 Then he said he thought about it and he went back 469 00:23:05,862 --> 00:23:08,562 and got gasoline later and came back over there 470 00:23:08,604 --> 00:23:11,174 and poured it all over her, 471 00:23:11,215 --> 00:23:13,515 poured a trail outside the door 472 00:23:13,566 --> 00:23:15,866 and lit it and closed the door. 473 00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:20,526 ♪ 474 00:23:20,573 --> 00:23:23,793 It was apparent that he would tell partial truths. 475 00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:28,967 But obviously, at that point he's making up the confessions 476 00:23:29,016 --> 00:23:32,666 and that he shot Lisa after she died of an overdose. 477 00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:34,845 There was never any indication from anything 478 00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:38,981 that Lisa had any involvement in drugs. 479 00:23:39,026 --> 00:23:42,116 But there is some truth to John Chapman's confession. 480 00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:45,469 The autopsy concluded that Lisa was definitely shot 481 00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:47,121 before being set on fire. 482 00:23:47,164 --> 00:23:49,954 - Here he is. - The middle of the interview, 483 00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:52,613 he wanted to call his girlfriend, Vickie. 484 00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:55,998 I had let him use my phone. 485 00:23:56,043 --> 00:24:00,263 And he tried to call Vickie and didn't get an answer. 486 00:24:00,308 --> 00:24:02,178 And so we took him to jail. 487 00:24:04,051 --> 00:24:09,141 Well, then I come back and I start calling Vickie's number... 488 00:24:09,186 --> 00:24:13,356 try to get as much information that we could get about Chapman. 489 00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:16,058 And she didn't answer. 490 00:24:16,106 --> 00:24:17,666 But the next morning she did. 491 00:24:17,717 --> 00:24:20,067 I identified myself and said, 492 00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:23,640 "I'm in Mobile, Alabama, and we've got John in jail." 493 00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:25,769 And she goes, "What'd he do this time?" 494 00:24:25,812 --> 00:24:28,642 And I said, "We are interviewing him for murder." 495 00:24:28,684 --> 00:24:32,174 And she immediately, "Oh, my God, he did it. 496 00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:33,339 He's the one that did it." 497 00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:35,654 I always knew he had killed her." 498 00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:38,781 ♪ 499 00:24:38,825 --> 00:24:42,215 And I'm like, "What are you talking about?" 500 00:24:42,263 --> 00:24:44,533 And she said, "There's a – 501 00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:46,490 There's a 16-year-old girl up here 502 00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:49,138 in Georgia that lived in my trailer park, 503 00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:50,583 and she went missing last year 504 00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:53,619 and they found her bones and she had been murdered. 505 00:24:53,666 --> 00:24:57,886 And I always thought he had had something to do with it." 506 00:24:57,931 --> 00:24:59,541 Me and Paul looked at each other 507 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:01,935 and said, "This in his first one." 508 00:25:01,978 --> 00:25:06,678 ♪ 509 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:14,596 ♪ 510 00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:16,603 Alabama authorities have just learned 511 00:25:16,645 --> 00:25:18,205 that the man they have in custody 512 00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:19,605 for the murder of Lisa Nichols 513 00:25:19,648 --> 00:25:21,738 may have also committed another murder 514 00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,091 six months earlier 515 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,740 and 400 miles away in neighboring Georgia. 516 00:25:27,787 --> 00:25:29,957 The body of 16-year-old Amanda Greenwell 517 00:25:30,006 --> 00:25:33,916 was found a month after she went missing in March 2004. 518 00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:37,447 She'd been beaten, raped, and her neck was broken. 519 00:25:37,492 --> 00:25:40,762 The case was still unsolved. 520 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,370 His girlfriend said that the day 521 00:25:43,411 --> 00:25:45,941 before the body was discovered, 522 00:25:45,979 --> 00:25:50,809 John Chapman came home, was scratched up, had dirty clothes, 523 00:25:50,853 --> 00:25:53,733 and immediately took his clothes off, 524 00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:55,639 put them in the washing machine, which he never did, 525 00:25:55,684 --> 00:25:57,954 and – and took a shower. 526 00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,651 She was alleging that – that she suspected 527 00:26:00,689 --> 00:26:03,949 that her boyfriend killed, 528 00:26:03,997 --> 00:26:05,427 you know, the juvenile that was – 529 00:26:05,476 --> 00:26:07,436 lived in that trailer park. 530 00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:10,790 Hang up from her. 531 00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:13,010 I called Douglasville, Georgia, and confirmed the murder 532 00:26:13,049 --> 00:26:16,489 they had worked up there of the 16-year-old girl. 533 00:26:16,531 --> 00:26:21,801 It became evident that Lisa's murder wasn't his first time. 534 00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:24,411 And, you know, I thought we'd be dealing 535 00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:25,542 with the serial killer. 536 00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:28,244 ♪ 537 00:26:28,282 --> 00:26:31,722 I was devastated that something like that could happen, 538 00:26:31,764 --> 00:26:34,814 but we would not speak with him about other crimes 539 00:26:34,854 --> 00:26:38,904 until he told us the truth about Lisa Nichols. 540 00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:41,505 Detectives worry that Chapman's rambling statements 541 00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:43,166 in his interrogation won't be enough 542 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:45,910 to ensure a conviction for killing Lisa. 543 00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:49,782 So they come up with a plan to coax more details out of him. 544 00:26:49,825 --> 00:26:52,215 The next day, we made the decision 545 00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:56,012 to just kind of play a bluff and see what happened. 546 00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:59,879 We did obviously fingerprint the beer cans from the crime scene, 547 00:26:59,922 --> 00:27:02,932 but there was nothing there to really get. 548 00:27:02,969 --> 00:27:06,709 But I went downstairs and got our crime scene unit 549 00:27:06,755 --> 00:27:08,095 to take some of my prints 550 00:27:08,148 --> 00:27:09,848 and put them on a little three-by-five card 551 00:27:09,889 --> 00:27:12,149 like we would normally do when you're printing a scene. 552 00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:15,155 So when he kept saying, "No, I didn't go in and, well, 553 00:27:15,198 --> 00:27:18,678 I just went in the kitchen to throw my beer can away," 554 00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:20,734 I said, "Well, John, you have another can 555 00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:23,859 that is in the master bedroom with your prints on it." 556 00:27:23,903 --> 00:27:26,953 And I laid down that print card, and you could see 557 00:27:26,993 --> 00:27:29,083 that his expression changed. 558 00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:31,425 Oh, man. 559 00:27:31,475 --> 00:27:34,865 That's when he kind of, "Alright, guys, you've got me. 560 00:27:34,914 --> 00:27:37,664 I know all the stuff I told you yesterday didn't work. 561 00:27:37,699 --> 00:27:40,619 - This is what I did it." - [Indistinct] 562 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:41,919 He told us when he first went over there, 563 00:27:41,964 --> 00:27:43,844 she wouldn't let him inside. 564 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:07,160 This boy could cry at any minute he wanted to. 565 00:28:07,207 --> 00:28:09,987 I mean, he – he could turn on the tears, and he – 566 00:28:10,036 --> 00:28:13,426 he just did that to talk his way into the mobile home. 567 00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:19,132 So once he got her inside, that was it. 568 00:28:19,175 --> 00:28:21,995 You said, "I went over there to rape her 569 00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:25,178 and she fought like a wild cat, so I killed the bitch." 570 00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:29,965 ♪ 571 00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:33,892 And just cold chills went down you, 572 00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:36,929 and he just... nonchalant said it. 573 00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:51,080 When he said that, he basically confessed 574 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,120 and he's charged with murder. 575 00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:55,996 ♪ 576 00:28:56,038 --> 00:29:00,088 We were at the florist picking out flowers for my mom's service 577 00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:05,659 and Detective Burch called, and he said, "We got him." 578 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,960 ♪ 579 00:29:08,007 --> 00:29:10,967 I said, "What do you mean you have him?" 580 00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:14,750 He says, "We have him." I said, "How sure are you?" 581 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:17,316 And he was like, "I'm 99.9% sure." 582 00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:26,294 ♪ 583 00:29:26,329 --> 00:29:29,769 Lisa's family is stunned when they recognize the killer 584 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:31,331 as one of the men they approached for help 585 00:29:31,378 --> 00:29:35,028 after discovering her body in the burnt-out trailer. 586 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,336 It was the man with the gray sideburns. 587 00:29:40,387 --> 00:29:44,347 It was the third guy from the night we found her. 588 00:29:44,391 --> 00:29:48,441 And I just remember telling Detective Burch, I said, 589 00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:51,402 "That's him. That's the man with the gray sideburns." 590 00:29:51,441 --> 00:29:55,011 Detectives have a confession for Lisa Nichols' murder, 591 00:29:55,054 --> 00:29:57,844 but now they have information that John Chapman was involved 592 00:29:57,883 --> 00:30:00,973 in yet another murder of Amanda Greenwell. 593 00:30:01,016 --> 00:30:03,706 They decide to contact law enforcement agencies 594 00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:05,798 outside their jurisdiction to see 595 00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:08,197 if he can be tied to other cases as well. 596 00:30:08,241 --> 00:30:10,981 Thinking he might have killed other people, 597 00:30:11,026 --> 00:30:14,376 I did a brief synopsis of the case we were working, 598 00:30:14,421 --> 00:30:18,731 which was attempted rape, murder and arson, which is unique. 599 00:30:18,773 --> 00:30:20,383 I put the information in there. 600 00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:21,857 It was John Paul Chapman, 601 00:30:21,907 --> 00:30:24,427 had his date of birth and social security number. 602 00:30:24,474 --> 00:30:26,874 ♪ 603 00:30:26,912 --> 00:30:31,352 I get a phone call, Missouri State Prison... 604 00:30:31,394 --> 00:30:34,224 regarding the teletype that we sent out. 605 00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:37,917 And, you know, the person on the other end of the phone says, 606 00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:41,186 "Look, you know, I've got y'all's bulletin. 607 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:43,230 I don't know who you all have, 608 00:30:43,276 --> 00:30:46,756 but we have John Paul Chapman in our prison, 609 00:30:46,801 --> 00:30:49,061 same social, same date of birth, 610 00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:51,498 and he's been here a number of years for robbery. 611 00:30:51,545 --> 00:30:54,895 ♪ 612 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:57,070 So he could not have committed, 613 00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,466 you know, the crimes that y'all are looking at. 614 00:30:59,509 --> 00:31:02,249 ♪ 615 00:31:02,295 --> 00:31:05,465 So I don't know who you have, but it's not John Paul Chapman." 616 00:31:05,515 --> 00:31:07,645 ♪ 617 00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:09,431 Now we're trying to figure out 618 00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:11,996 who we have in our jail across the street 619 00:31:12,044 --> 00:31:15,444 and – and who this suspect really is. 620 00:31:15,482 --> 00:31:19,142 ♪ 621 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,100 ♪ 622 00:31:26,145 --> 00:31:27,665 Mobile County, Alabama, 623 00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:30,371 investigators are stunned to learn the man they charged 624 00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:34,280 with the murder of Lisa Nichols is not who he claims to be 625 00:31:34,327 --> 00:31:39,107 and the real John Chapman is behind bars in Missouri. 626 00:31:39,158 --> 00:31:41,328 I went and called his girlfriend, Vickie. 627 00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:44,897 She knew him only by Chapman, and questioned her 628 00:31:44,946 --> 00:31:46,766 some more about his family 629 00:31:46,817 --> 00:31:48,687 and she said she had met his mother. 630 00:31:48,732 --> 00:31:52,352 Her name was Jenny Beard, and she lived in Oklahoma. 631 00:31:52,388 --> 00:31:53,648 And so... 632 00:31:53,694 --> 00:31:57,874 I call Miami, Oklahoma, a little small town, 633 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:02,216 and I get this young new detective. 634 00:32:02,268 --> 00:32:05,528 And I said, "We're looking to try to identify this person" 635 00:32:05,575 --> 00:32:07,875 and said, "his mother's Jenny Beard. 636 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:09,966 Does that name ring a bell?" 637 00:32:10,015 --> 00:32:13,885 He goes, "Tell me you got Jeremy Jones in custody. 638 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,632 We want him for rape in Oklahoma, 639 00:32:15,672 --> 00:32:18,202 and we've been looking for him for a while." 640 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,460 Within five minutes, he had faxed us a picture of him, 641 00:32:21,504 --> 00:32:22,724 and it was Jeremy. 642 00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:24,506 Jeremy Bryan Jones. 643 00:32:24,551 --> 00:32:31,251 ♪ 644 00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:34,037 We went across the street to the jail 645 00:32:34,082 --> 00:32:38,432 and had him brought to the administration office. 646 00:32:40,436 --> 00:32:44,746 I said, you know, "How you doing today, Jeremy?" 647 00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:49,228 And the color just like left, you know, left his face 648 00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:51,141 and he looked in disbelief, 649 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:54,756 almost like "I hadn't heard my name in years." 650 00:32:54,798 --> 00:32:58,758 And I said, "Well, you know, we have you identified. 651 00:32:58,802 --> 00:33:00,022 We know who you are. 652 00:33:00,065 --> 00:33:01,455 Here's your fingerprints, you know, 653 00:33:01,501 --> 00:33:05,031 and here's warrants you're being served with, 654 00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:09,120 and all felonies, a number of them from Oklahoma." 655 00:33:09,161 --> 00:33:11,081 You know, we interviewed him for several hours 656 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,299 and he gave us more of the puzzle. 657 00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:17,689 And he told us how he went about changing his I.D. 658 00:33:17,734 --> 00:33:22,484 He was already on probation and he made the decision to flee. 659 00:33:22,522 --> 00:33:27,092 And while he was on the run, he stopped at a bar in Joplin, 660 00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:29,655 Missouri, started talking with a woman at the bar, 661 00:33:29,703 --> 00:33:33,273 told her that he was on the run, didn't say for what. 662 00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:36,275 She said, "Well, my son's in prison. 663 00:33:36,318 --> 00:33:37,968 He's going to be there for a long time. 664 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,366 I'll sell you, you know, 665 00:33:39,408 --> 00:33:42,628 his Social Security card and driver's license." 666 00:33:42,672 --> 00:33:46,422 And Jones said he paid her $50 or something along that line 667 00:33:46,459 --> 00:33:50,329 and lived his life that way for a number of years. 668 00:33:50,376 --> 00:33:53,596 Fast forward, he ends up in Douglasville, Georgia. 669 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,640 He gets arrested several times. They fingerprint him. 670 00:33:56,686 --> 00:33:59,816 He gives them the name John Paul Chapman. 671 00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:01,563 The fingerprints go to the FBI. 672 00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:05,784 And somebody made a booboo. They didn't compare them. 673 00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:09,656 They actually had two files for the same person, 674 00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:13,359 one under Jeremy Jones and one under John Chapman. 675 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:16,319 And that was a huge error. Huge. 676 00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:19,138 The fact there were two sets of fingerprints on file 677 00:34:19,187 --> 00:34:21,227 made it impossible to connect Jeremy Jones 678 00:34:21,276 --> 00:34:23,316 with his alias John Chapman, 679 00:34:23,365 --> 00:34:25,495 which devastated Lisa Nichols' family. 680 00:34:25,541 --> 00:34:29,071 They found out he was Jeremy Jones, 681 00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:32,030 and we started finding out, you know, 682 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,900 all this stuff with him. 683 00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:35,201 I was just angry. 684 00:34:35,247 --> 00:34:38,157 I was so mad because, like, you know, 685 00:34:38,206 --> 00:34:42,336 he could have been stopped and so many other... 686 00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:46,354 cases, like, it didn't have to get that far. 687 00:34:46,388 --> 00:34:49,298 This man had no reason to be out of jail. 688 00:34:49,348 --> 00:34:50,998 His crimes were so horrific. 689 00:34:51,045 --> 00:34:54,875 He was able to slip through the fingers of law enforcement 690 00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:56,528 time and time again 691 00:34:56,572 --> 00:35:01,142 because of a technicality with a fingerprint system federally. 692 00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:04,056 And because of the discrepancies, 693 00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:05,892 he landed in the Mobile area 694 00:35:05,929 --> 00:35:09,369 and – and brutally murdered one of our own. 695 00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:12,721 So we were disgusted. 696 00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:14,502 It's just unfathomable 697 00:35:14,547 --> 00:35:19,377 that he was sharing the same oxygen as everyone else. 698 00:35:19,421 --> 00:35:21,381 With his true identity revealed, 699 00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:24,213 Jeremy Jones surprises the Alabama detectives 700 00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:25,692 as he begins revealing 701 00:35:25,732 --> 00:35:28,782 even more about his past than they've asked about. 702 00:35:39,311 --> 00:35:42,101 Jones said that he had warrants on him for rape 703 00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,450 and a variety of sex crimes. 704 00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:47,710 He confessed to a number of crimes. 705 00:35:47,754 --> 00:35:50,504 Those were all the cases. That's not our jurisdiction. 706 00:35:50,539 --> 00:35:52,889 But at that point, we were really wanting 707 00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:57,073 to get information and help those out-of-town agencies. 708 00:35:57,111 --> 00:35:59,461 The FBI sent a crew here from Washington, 709 00:35:59,505 --> 00:36:02,635 and within a day we had poster board 710 00:36:02,682 --> 00:36:05,602 all the way down the wall of our interview room 711 00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:10,341 of every step Jeremy Jones had done in the past 25 years. 712 00:36:10,385 --> 00:36:12,465 I mean, everywhere he bought a car, 713 00:36:12,518 --> 00:36:14,168 got a ticket and got stopped. 714 00:36:14,215 --> 00:36:18,605 We're interviewing him about a possible murder in New Orleans, 715 00:36:18,654 --> 00:36:22,404 and he finally confesses to it and starts telling us, 716 00:36:22,441 --> 00:36:24,141 "Yeah, I saw this girl. 717 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:25,362 She was a prostitute. 718 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,490 She was walking down the street. 719 00:36:26,532 --> 00:36:28,272 I don't know what street it was. 720 00:36:28,316 --> 00:36:31,056 And I needed some sex, so I stopped. 721 00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:33,971 We went at this warehouse. 722 00:36:34,017 --> 00:36:35,797 That's where I killed her." 723 00:36:35,845 --> 00:36:38,455 ♪ 724 00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:54,560 So we get on the phone with the detectives, 725 00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:57,353 he gave them pinpoint directions exactly where her body 726 00:36:57,389 --> 00:36:59,169 had been found out in the parking lot 727 00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:01,777 and inside where he killed her at. 728 00:37:01,828 --> 00:37:03,178 It was all true. 729 00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:08,661 ♪ 730 00:37:08,704 --> 00:37:12,194 Jeremy Jones has implicated himself in at least two 731 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,800 unsolved murder cases – 732 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,540 Amanda Greenwell in Douglasville, Georgia, 733 00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:19,412 and now Katherine Collins in New Orleans. 734 00:37:19,454 --> 00:37:21,984 Meanwhile, prosecutors prepare for a trial 735 00:37:22,022 --> 00:37:23,502 in the Lisa Nichols case, 736 00:37:23,545 --> 00:37:26,765 confident of the solid evidence they have against Jones. 737 00:37:26,809 --> 00:37:29,859 It includes the murder weapon and a bag of Jones' clothing 738 00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:32,379 handed over to police by Lisa's neighbor. 739 00:37:32,424 --> 00:37:35,954 The .25 caliber pistol was sent to the lab, tested, 740 00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:39,172 and then the bullets came back to be the same. 741 00:37:39,213 --> 00:37:41,303 So we could definitively say 742 00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:42,906 that's the gun that killed Lisa. 743 00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:45,826 We did DNA testing on the clothing evidence, 744 00:37:45,872 --> 00:37:48,532 and I found positive presumptive results 745 00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:52,180 on one item that matched Lisa Nichols. 746 00:37:52,226 --> 00:37:53,706 And that's indisputable. 747 00:37:53,749 --> 00:37:57,229 And there was – there was no logical explanation 748 00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,925 why Lisa Marie Nichols' DNA 749 00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:02,543 would be on Jeremy Bryan Jones' clothing 750 00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:05,074 unless he killed her. 751 00:38:06,588 --> 00:38:08,978 Jones unexpectedly adds to that evidence 752 00:38:09,025 --> 00:38:13,765 and to his confession with a surprise move from jail. 753 00:38:14,727 --> 00:38:15,767 [Ringing] 754 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:36,750 ♪ 755 00:38:36,792 --> 00:38:37,882 [Ringing] 756 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,930 Jeremy Jones is awaiting trial in Alabama 757 00:38:46,976 --> 00:38:50,806 for killing Lisa Nichols, but he's not waiting quietly. 758 00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:53,370 He makes a phone call from the Mobile County jail 759 00:38:53,418 --> 00:38:55,588 to Mark Bentley, Lisa's neighbor, 760 00:38:55,637 --> 00:38:58,507 who he was living with at the time of the murder. 761 00:39:10,217 --> 00:39:12,347 I've talked to Mark a few times, 762 00:39:12,393 --> 00:39:13,573 you know, over the years, and – 763 00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:15,662 and it still affects him to this day. 764 00:39:15,701 --> 00:39:19,491 He was devastated that someone in his home 765 00:39:19,531 --> 00:39:22,231 did that to another human being. 766 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:38,380 Jones made admissions to Mark on a recorded line 767 00:39:38,419 --> 00:39:39,989 knowing he's being recorded. 768 00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:42,679 You know, that was a pretty crucial piece of evidence. 769 00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:45,858 ♪ 770 00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:49,125 He basically confessed on the phone to Mark 771 00:39:49,169 --> 00:39:50,389 that he had done it all, 772 00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:52,611 which was just icing on the cake. 773 00:39:52,651 --> 00:39:54,521 Obviously, there's a lot of preparation 774 00:39:54,566 --> 00:39:55,776 that goes into a trial, 775 00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:58,738 especially a capital murder trial. 776 00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:04,007 We had to make sure we stayed focused on Lisa Nichols... 777 00:40:04,053 --> 00:40:08,883 you know, and not these cases outside of this jurisdiction. 778 00:40:08,928 --> 00:40:11,448 Mark Bentley was a really crucial witness 779 00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:12,796 during the trial. 780 00:40:12,845 --> 00:40:16,455 Jones confessed to Mark over the phone, 781 00:40:16,501 --> 00:40:19,291 and Mark had to validate that phone call. 782 00:40:19,329 --> 00:40:21,159 And that was huge in the trial. 783 00:40:21,201 --> 00:40:25,031 ♪ 784 00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:28,474 If any case ever warranted the death penalty, 785 00:40:28,513 --> 00:40:30,043 this would be one. 786 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:34,779 I mean, you have a truly innocent victim who is already, 787 00:40:34,823 --> 00:40:37,093 you know, struggling after a hurricane just hit. 788 00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:42,180 And then you've got, you know, a monster who took her life 789 00:40:42,222 --> 00:40:44,792 and set her on fire. 790 00:40:44,833 --> 00:40:47,663 He was on crystal meth. 791 00:40:47,706 --> 00:40:51,356 This was drug-induced rape and homicide. 792 00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:52,835 He was on crystal meth. 793 00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:55,445 He wasn't thinking of anything but getting another fix. 794 00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:56,886 That's all he cared about. 795 00:40:56,932 --> 00:40:59,542 ♪ 796 00:40:59,587 --> 00:41:01,717 The jury, it didn't take them long. 797 00:41:01,763 --> 00:41:04,463 Their mind was made up. 798 00:41:04,505 --> 00:41:06,985 Came back guilty very quick 799 00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:11,689 and then sentenced to death quick. 800 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:14,780 It was a slam dunk 801 00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:18,350 and it was a big relief, you know, for the family. 802 00:41:18,388 --> 00:41:21,778 You know, that doesn't give them their mom back, you know, 803 00:41:21,827 --> 00:41:24,657 but it gives them a sense of justice. 804 00:41:27,354 --> 00:41:30,714 That was... it was a moment 805 00:41:30,749 --> 00:41:32,269 where I really felt like I could breathe 806 00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:38,965 for the first time in a very long time because... 807 00:41:39,018 --> 00:41:40,498 we did it. 808 00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:43,151 We did it. We got justice. 809 00:41:43,196 --> 00:41:46,766 We got the justice that we wanted. 810 00:41:46,808 --> 00:41:50,288 That part of it was over. We did it. 811 00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:55,773 So it was – it was a good day. It was a good day. 812 00:41:55,817 --> 00:41:59,387 The FBI later issued a statement, 813 00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:00,999 an apology to the family, 814 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,910 that there were errors made in the fingerprinting process 815 00:42:04,957 --> 00:42:08,827 during his arrest in Georgia. 816 00:42:08,874 --> 00:42:13,184 Had they caught him in Georgia by his fingerprints, 817 00:42:13,226 --> 00:42:16,006 he would have been extradited back to Oklahoma. 818 00:42:16,055 --> 00:42:19,795 He would have never been in Alabama. 819 00:42:19,841 --> 00:42:22,631 My mom, ultimately she would still be alive 820 00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:24,370 is what it came down to. 821 00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:26,671 ♪ 822 00:42:26,718 --> 00:42:30,418 I feel like my mom died a true hero 823 00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:32,940 because she stopped him. 824 00:42:32,985 --> 00:42:35,675 Jeremy Jones was not going to stop killing. 825 00:42:35,727 --> 00:42:37,987 He was not going to stop raping innocent women. 826 00:42:38,033 --> 00:42:40,083 He was not going to stop abusing drugs. 827 00:42:40,122 --> 00:42:42,042 He was going to keep being a criminal. 828 00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:46,221 I guess the lasting impact is just everything 829 00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:47,829 that I know she misses. 830 00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:52,399 Like, you know, she missed... 831 00:42:52,439 --> 00:42:55,439 like... what we've become. 832 00:42:55,485 --> 00:42:56,875 I didn't have my mom at my wedding. 833 00:42:56,922 --> 00:42:59,792 She missed, you know, my daughter graduating high school. 834 00:42:59,838 --> 00:43:02,058 She missed my daughter graduating college. 835 00:43:02,101 --> 00:43:07,021 And I sit here and go, like, I know she would be proud of us. 836 00:43:07,062 --> 00:43:16,032 ♪ 837 00:43:16,071 --> 00:43:25,041 ♪ 838 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,080 ♪ 65159

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