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Wait.
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There we go.
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Lily, careful there.
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Sorry, Grandad.
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- Ready?
- Yes, ready.
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- Okay.
- Ready, Lily?
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Here I come!
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Run!
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I can't believe you're
still doing that.
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Whee!
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I'd like to welcome you to
this international conference
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for climate change, 2009.
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It is my great pleasure to
welcome our keynote speaker,
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who has been a pioneer
in climate science
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for the last 30 years,
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an expert in his
field, world-renowned,
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and who will address
us on his work
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on the global instrumental
temperature record,
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often referred to as
a hockey stick graph,
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which has been so
important in helping us
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to understand the
cause of change
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during the last 1,000 years.
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We are honored to welcome
Professor Philip Jones.
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Go on, then.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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I'll call you to let
you know when I'm back.
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You're a star, Dad, thanks.
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Right, kid.
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Where the hell are you?
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The train leaves in two minutes.
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Shit.
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Sorry.
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- I had to sort out the kids.
- Right.
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Let's see what level of a
shit storm we've got here.
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The University of East
Anglia's Climategate
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email controversy.
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- Climategate.
- Climategate.
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The Climategate scandal.
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Scientists are using
words like trick.
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Climategate they're calling it,
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a new scandal over
global warming
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and it's burning
up the internet.
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Have the books been
cooked on climate change?
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At worst it's junk science
and it is a part of a massive,
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international, scientific fraud.
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It's a communications
consultancy.
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Crisis management.
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Neil Wallis, ex-editor
of a Sunday tabloid
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and his colleague Sam Bowen.
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Sam's background is more
corporate public relations.
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Can we trust them?
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I think we have to.
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We're running out of time.
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They're accusing
him of fraud, Ruth.
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How is Phil?
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You haven't seen a
select committee hearing?
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No.
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It's no walk in the park.
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Eight people right
there in front of you
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and trying to put
you on a skewer.
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Right.
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It's the House of
Commons, the government.
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An all-out vindication and
this Professor Philip Jones
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and the rest of them
have got half a chance.
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The slightest whiff
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of a rap across the knuckles
and they're screwed.
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So we've got one shot at it?
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To clear their names?
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And three weeks to do it.
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Skulduggery,
scientific espionage
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and black propaganda.
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Have scientists really
been manipulating the data?
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They claim to be victims
of a crime, right?
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They are.
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From the off everyone
is all over their arses
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like they're the criminals.
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Even the tree-huggers, the
environment correspondents.
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We need institutions independent
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of them declaring
their innocence.
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I suppose they
don't know, do they?
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What?
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If they are innocent or
if Jones did rig the data
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to exaggerate the
increase in temperatures?
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Exactly, everyone is terrified
they're guilty as charged.
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Maybe they're right to be.
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Tonight faces
forensic examination.
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The temperature
graphs at the heart
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of concern of about
climate change
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will now be picked
over by experts.
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Edward Acton, Vice-Chancellor.
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Neil Wallis, Sam Bowen.
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Pleased to meet you.
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This is my co-Vice-Chancellor,
Trevor Davies.
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Trevor.
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Former director of the
Climatic Research Unit,
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also known as CRU.
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Three months ago.
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When you were hacked?
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No.
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The hacking itself was
some months before.
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We only became aware of it
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when the hacker
uploaded the file to...
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- What was it called again?
- Realclimate.org.
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The university learned
about it the following day.
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And you, Phil.
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Is that when you found out?
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I...
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Yes, that's when
we found out too.
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And what was your response
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once you knew
there'd been a hack?
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We informed the police
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and told them there had
been an IT system breach.
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A data theft.
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I think that's the
phrase that was used.
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Goodnight.
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Goodnight.
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Thank you, Stella.
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You're very welcome.
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These are the press
office documents
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and I've had made this for you,
it's the broadcast coverage.
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Good.
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We'll take a look
at that tonight.
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Isn't it rather late?
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The House of Commons hearing,
it's in three weeks, right?
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Yes.
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The clock is ticking, Edward,
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so yeah, we'll be
working tonight.
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I see, good.
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Good.
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Jesus, they weren't joking.
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He's broken.
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Yep.
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Do you think he...?
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He did it?
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You'd expect him to be a bit
more pissed off, wouldn't you?
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If he was innocent.
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Are you sure I'm the
right person for this?
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I do corporate.
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Branding.
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Which means you know digital.
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Look, whatever.
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We're here now, aren't we?
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Getting paid to get this lot
out of a hole, guilty or not.
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Okay, thanks for
coming, everyone.
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Thank you.
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Let's start with the headlines.
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Two days ago the Safer
Neighborhoods team
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logged a data theft
from a backup server
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at the University's Climatic
Research Unit, known as CRU.
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Safer Neighborhoods flagged
the call to Special Branch
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and last night Gold Command,
on my recommendation,
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initiated Operation Cabin
as a major investigation.
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The contents of the file appears
to be around 1,000 emails
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and other documents written
over a 10-year period
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by staff at CRU, mostly
by its current director,
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Professor Philip Jones,
world-renowned climate scientist.
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Gareth here is from Kinetic,
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a defense contractor
specializing in cyber security.
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His team will lead on the
digital investigation,
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reporting directly to me as
senior investigating officer.
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The other two lines of inquiry,
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physical breach of CRU
or an internal leak,
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will be overseen by Gold group.
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This is a Category
A investigation,
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so we can hopefully expect
some additional support
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from national counter-terrorism
Scotland Yard.
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Yes.
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The Cat A status,
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sorry, boss, but
who's been murdered?
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No-one, DS Suppiah.
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So the only crime
that we're invest...
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The breach of the Computer
Misuse Act, section one,
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and, depending what we
turn up, maybe section two.
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Regardless, this is still
a Cat A investigation,
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and I would appreciate it
if it were treated as such.
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Right, if there aren't
any more questions,
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you know the drill.
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Any pissed-off employees,
office politics,
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financial vulnerability
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who had access, what
was the IT set-up,
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any hint of a motivation,
I wanna hear about it.
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Thank you.
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DS Suppiah, a word.
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I appreciate this might
just be a staff member
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with an axe to grind,
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or some hacker winning
a pissing contest,
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but if it isn't, look at
the timing, join the dots.
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Three weeks before COP15,
the UN Climate Conference.
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Think about it, if
this is someone trying
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to influence the global
response to climate change,
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well, then, I'd say maybe
Cat A isn't high enough.
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The stolen emails are
mostly conversations
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between colleagues, climate
scientists, here and in the US.
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And these conversations,
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they've been taken wholesale?
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No, because whoever
compiled this file,
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they knew what they
were looking for.
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These emails had been selected,
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probably using a word
search for certain phrases.
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The first place a
link is posted along
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with this comment here,
"a miracle has happened,"
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is climateaudit.org.
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It's a climate skeptic blog run
by this man, Steve McIntyre.
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He's receiving the
link, he's not?
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He's not sending it?
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Yeah, but he's got
history with Jones.
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Mclntyre is a Canadian
ex-mining consultant turned
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self-appointed climate
science fact checker.
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If you look at his blog posts
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and the comment streams of
his website, and the emails,
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it reveals that there is
an established relationship
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with Jones.
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And it seems as
far back as 2002,
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he's been asking
Jones for his data.
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Which Jones gave him?
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Yeah, initially.
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But then, McIntyre started
using it to criticize Jones,
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to undermine his career,
Jones backed off.
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Mclntyre, well,
he got frustrated.
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Earlier this year, he
persuaded his entire database
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to send freedom of
information requests to CRU,
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asking for their raw data.
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- Which they did.
- Yeah.
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Jones was flooded, and I
mean flooded, with requests.
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60 in one week, look.
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It's a bloody tsunami.
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Annoying, but not illegal.
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Yes, but that's where
it gets interesting.
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Our initial analysis of the
hard drives and servers suggests
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that the unit was
hacked several times
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between that same time period.
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Are you saying there was
more than one breach?
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Not only that.
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Mclntyre's requests were formally
refused by the university.
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And four days later, a file
of stolen materials goes live.
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I have not falsified any data!
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Collusion?
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They can't argue with the facts.
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But that's what they
do all the time!
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Do you really
think this is them?
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Well, of course it's them!
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I'm sorry.
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I haven't done
anything wrong, Ruth.
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Are you suggesting that
McIntyre was responsible?
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No.
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It was a relatively
sophisticated attack,
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he wouldn't have the capability.
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But there was a coordination.
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More likely someone else
with a vested interest
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in tracking his
disputes with CRU.
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Yeah, you should also
speak to this guy.
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This is Steve Mosher.
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He's an established lukewarmer.
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He doesn't believe that
climate change is as serious
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as everyone's making out.
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When the emails came out,
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he was in charge of
finding the extracts
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before they were taken down.
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"I've just completed
Mike's nature trick,"
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"to hide the decline.
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Cheers, Phil."
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And these are the extracts
that are penetrating now?
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Yeah.
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It's a very effective selection.
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Mosher knew exactly
what he was doing.
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Have your comms team
got Phil's comment
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on why he used the word trick?
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Already on the website,
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along with an
acknowledgement of the hack.
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Look, I think we should do more,
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defend the science.
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We'd be inviting an attack.
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I'm telling you, there's
an established history.
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It's a bunch of
bloggers, Trevor.
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Just let them burn the story
out amongst themselves.
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There was a piece
in the Guardian,
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and surely, it's quite.
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Our defense would only
raise more questions,
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give the story oxygen.
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We don't want the science
questioned, either.
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Look.
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If we can get
through the weekend
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without the "Today"
program calling us,
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I really think
we'll be fine, okay?
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25 to eight.
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Those who are on the
skeptic side have seized
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on these emails.
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One of those skeptics is Lord
Lawson, the former Chancellor,
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whose book, "An
Appeal To Reason."
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On the face of it,
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it looks as if the raw
data were being manipulated
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in order to prove what
they wanted to prove,
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that they were refusing
to allow other scientists
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outside access to the raw data,
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that they were talking about
destroying various files
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in order to prevent
data being revealed
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through the Freedom
of Information Act.
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Now, these are very,
very serious things.
300
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It may be that there is
an innocent explanation
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for all this, but what
is absolutely clear,
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because this is the basis
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on which policy
decisions are being made,
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to some extent,
by the government,
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and by governments
around the world,
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it has also tarnished very badly
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the international reputation
of British science.
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They'll need...
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It's just, we really
need some clarity,
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especially on why some
of the temperature data
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can't be released to the public.
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Shell.
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"Dear Phil Jones, you
should kill yourself.
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You lying prick, arsehole.
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And if you don't, I'll be more
than happy to do it for you
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and your family."
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Oh, God.
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That's terrible.
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We'll inform the police.
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Look, Ruth, if he does come
round a bit, would you mind.
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He's the only one who knows
the truth about the emails,
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- the temperature.
- I know, believe me, I know.
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Even his voice has
changed, Trevor.
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Like it's stuck in his throat.
325
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Are you and Grandad coming
to my school play, Granny?
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Of course, sweetheart.
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It might just be
Granny this time.
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Okay.
329
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Okay.
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- Bye.
- Bye.
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Bye, Granny, see you soon, bye.
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These are the most
damaging extracts.
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Can you delete any emails
you may have had with Keith?
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Keith will do likewise.
335
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"We're choosing the
periods to show warming."
336
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I've just completed
Mike's nature trick,
337
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"to hide the decline."
338
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The press inquiries haven't
stopped all morning,
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it's unprecedented.
340
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Like nothing
anyone's seen before.
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- And from the US now to.
- What is it they want,
342
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- specifically?
- Phil.
343
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The extracts are
mostly from his emails.
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And he's the director of CRU.
345
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They wanna know why
all of CRU's data
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isn't available as well.
347
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But in terms of people, Phil.
348
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No one else.
349
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I'm afraid that's not
gonna be possible.
350
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Well, surely you don't stand
351
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by his comments on the website?
352
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- Yeah.
- Why isn't Phil available?
353
00:19:41,186 --> 00:19:43,188
It would be the clearest
way to set things straight.
354
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I agree.
355
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I went round there this morning
356
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after the Lawson interview.
357
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The man's struggling.
358
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30 years ago, do you remember,
359
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you had that offer of
work in California?
360
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And we came here
to talk about it,
361
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about the kids moving school.
362
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What it would all mean.
363
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And you got so excited.
364
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Not about going,
but about staying.
365
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About what that meant.
366
00:20:24,367 --> 00:20:25,678
Do you remember?
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Philip, if I can
remember, I know you do.
368
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"It's going to be important,"
that's what you said.
369
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Politicians were just starting
to talk about global warming,
370
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and you said that when they
finally came to act on it,
371
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they'd need data
they could trust.
372
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They'd need evidence,
and that you, CRU,
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would be able to
give it to them.
374
00:20:52,878 --> 00:20:54,673
Well, that time is now, Philip.
375
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And you were right.
376
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They do need your evidence.
377
00:21:05,856 --> 00:21:09,343
Which is why we can't let
these bastards destroy
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00:21:09,377 --> 00:21:10,377
all you've done.
379
00:21:12,346 --> 00:21:14,865
It's too important.
380
00:21:19,732 --> 00:21:21,424
You're too important.
381
00:21:27,809 --> 00:21:31,123
"I've found what
I can do, Ruth."
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That's what you said.
383
00:21:36,577 --> 00:21:38,924
"And the place I can do it."
384
00:21:48,727 --> 00:21:51,177
God, and I so wanted
to go to California!
385
00:21:52,627 --> 00:21:53,835
Did you?
386
00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:54,870
Yeah!
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00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:07,677
You're going to have
to speak up, Philip.
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We'll issue a press statement
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with Phil's comment
from the website.
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And let's see if he'll do a
press Association interview,
391
00:22:15,063 --> 00:22:15,857
at least.
392
00:22:15,892 --> 00:22:17,376
Just print, no TV.
393
00:22:17,411 --> 00:22:21,242
Let's announce an independent
inquiry into the allegations
394
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and into the actions
of our staff.
395
00:22:23,348 --> 00:22:25,764
If there has been malpractice,
396
00:22:25,798 --> 00:22:28,663
we must show we're keen
as mustard to investigate.
397
00:22:28,698 --> 00:22:29,975
And we need support, too.
398
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Public support.
399
00:22:34,911 --> 00:22:36,395
Thanks, Chris.
400
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Any help in releasing the
data is hugely appreciated.
401
00:22:41,676 --> 00:22:42,574
We were wondering
if your department
402
00:22:42,608 --> 00:22:43,782
could give a statement to.
403
00:22:43,816 --> 00:22:45,300
I'll see what I can do.
404
00:22:45,335 --> 00:22:47,095
We really need help
on this one, Chris.
405
00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:48,487
Trevor, sorry, look,
I've got to go.
406
00:22:48,511 --> 00:22:50,823
Sir David, have you
seen the CRU fallout?
407
00:22:51,686 --> 00:22:53,308
Christ, haven't I?
408
00:22:53,343 --> 00:22:54,734
What the bloody hell
were they thinking about?
409
00:22:54,758 --> 00:22:57,209
I mean, I wouldn't accept
such loose practices
410
00:22:57,243 --> 00:22:58,313
from my students.
411
00:22:58,348 --> 00:23:00,039
Well, siege mentality.
412
00:23:00,074 --> 00:23:01,776
I mean, the deniers have
had them in their sights
413
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,905
- for as long as I can remember.
- That is precisely
414
00:23:03,940 --> 00:23:05,079
when you have to be careful,
415
00:23:05,113 --> 00:23:06,632
when you think
you're in a battle.
416
00:23:06,667 --> 00:23:08,369
I mean, not to put the
data in the public domain.
417
00:23:08,393 --> 00:23:11,050
Well, to be fair, Sir David,
it isn't theirs to give.
418
00:23:11,085 --> 00:23:12,327
What do you mean?
419
00:23:12,362 --> 00:23:13,709
Well, CRU built
its models on data
420
00:23:13,743 --> 00:23:15,469
from meteorological services.
421
00:23:15,503 --> 00:23:16,849
And sometimes, that data comes
422
00:23:16,884 --> 00:23:18,403
with nondisclosure agreements.
423
00:23:20,163 --> 00:23:23,028
Sir David King, School of
Enterprise and the Environment,
424
00:23:23,062 --> 00:23:24,062
Oxford University.
425
00:23:26,514 --> 00:23:27,998
Thanks very much.
426
00:23:28,033 --> 00:23:31,070
I've been on the phone all
morning to the Met Office,
427
00:23:31,105 --> 00:23:32,634
putting pressure on
them to give clearance
428
00:23:32,658 --> 00:23:33,901
to release all the data.
429
00:23:33,935 --> 00:23:35,937
- And?
- Not yet.
430
00:23:37,422 --> 00:23:39,838
Any news about the hack?
431
00:23:39,872 --> 00:23:40,977
Nothing I've heard.
432
00:23:41,011 --> 00:23:41,978
Any thoughts?
433
00:23:42,012 --> 00:23:43,497
Well, take your pick.
434
00:23:43,531 --> 00:23:45,302
Could be the Russians, the
Saudis, the oil companies,
435
00:23:45,326 --> 00:23:47,121
anybody who's got
money in the game.
436
00:23:47,155 --> 00:23:49,468
But you know, it's clever,
437
00:23:49,503 --> 00:23:51,608
going after the data
behind the modeling.
438
00:23:52,989 --> 00:23:55,267
I don't understand why
everyone expects science models
439
00:23:55,301 --> 00:23:56,820
to be perfect.
440
00:23:56,855 --> 00:23:59,305
I mean, no one ever goes after
economic models, do they?
441
00:23:59,340 --> 00:24:00,490
No, that's because
nobody's trying
442
00:24:00,514 --> 00:24:02,308
to undermine the economics.
443
00:24:03,862 --> 00:24:06,381
Do you really think it will
affect the COP in Copenhagen?
444
00:24:06,416 --> 00:24:08,591
Well, it might scare
the horses a bit,
445
00:24:08,625 --> 00:24:12,629
but no, this COP is dead
in the water anyway.
446
00:24:12,664 --> 00:24:15,356
- You really think so?
- Come on, Chris.
447
00:24:15,390 --> 00:24:18,635
I mean, the USA are not gonna
sign up to their commitment
448
00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:20,879
to carbon reductions
unless it's voluntary,
449
00:24:20,913 --> 00:24:22,121
and if they won't sign,
450
00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:24,399
then neither will the
Chinese or the Russians.
451
00:24:28,024 --> 00:24:29,957
Look, do what you can
about getting the Met
452
00:24:29,991 --> 00:24:31,165
to release that data.
453
00:24:32,546 --> 00:24:34,340
It could douse the flames.
454
00:24:35,859 --> 00:24:37,596
Now, the head of a British
climate research institute
455
00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:40,554
has stepped aside after leaked
emails were said to suggest
456
00:24:40,588 --> 00:24:44,109
that the case for global
warming had been exaggerated.
457
00:24:44,143 --> 00:24:46,214
Phil Jones, at the
University of East Anglia,
458
00:24:46,249 --> 00:24:47,457
will relinquish his duties
459
00:24:47,492 --> 00:24:49,735
while an independent
review is carried out.
460
00:24:49,770 --> 00:24:51,944
Our environment
correspondent, David Shukman.
461
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:48,736
There are more stolen emails.
462
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,072
I'm saying there's a lot more.
463
00:25:51,107 --> 00:25:53,799
- Almost 200,000 in total.
- Shit!
464
00:25:53,834 --> 00:25:54,731
200?
465
00:25:54,766 --> 00:25:56,595
So, the really odd thing,
466
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:58,493
that they left the
cache on the server.
467
00:25:58,528 --> 00:26:00,461
Which is almost like they, well.
468
00:26:00,495 --> 00:26:01,611
I guess it's almost like
they wanted us to know.
469
00:26:01,635 --> 00:26:03,084
What are you saying?
470
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,993
Well, it means that CRU
wasn't the only climate unit
471
00:26:05,017 --> 00:26:05,915
that was attacked.
472
00:26:05,949 --> 00:26:07,019
There were more hacks?
473
00:26:07,054 --> 00:26:08,262
Attempts.
474
00:26:08,296 --> 00:26:09,584
CRU was the only
successful breach.
475
00:26:09,608 --> 00:26:10,954
What were the other attempts?
476
00:26:10,989 --> 00:26:13,232
Okay, so, persons unknown posing
477
00:26:13,267 --> 00:26:15,614
as network technicians
tried to gain access
478
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:17,029
to climate science offices
479
00:26:17,064 --> 00:26:19,100
at the University of
Victoria, British Columbia.
480
00:26:20,274 --> 00:26:21,769
And there were attempts
to access the servers
481
00:26:21,793 --> 00:26:24,519
at the Canadian Centre for
Climatology and Analysis,
482
00:26:24,554 --> 00:26:27,764
the National Center of
Atmospheric Research in Colorado,
483
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,629
and an attempted unauthorized
entry to the computer systems
484
00:26:30,664 --> 00:26:33,252
at the State Department
Climate Bureau.
485
00:26:33,287 --> 00:26:35,220
And when, when was all this?
486
00:26:35,254 --> 00:26:37,049
This is all in the
last 12 months.
487
00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:42,089
You do know he's the victim?
488
00:26:44,091 --> 00:26:46,162
It's his emails
that were stolen.
489
00:26:46,196 --> 00:26:48,820
It's him that's being
dragged through the papers.
490
00:26:48,854 --> 00:26:50,349
Why aren't you going
after who did this?
491
00:26:50,373 --> 00:26:52,030
I realize this
must be upsetting.
492
00:26:52,064 --> 00:26:53,514
No one's getting the truth.
493
00:26:54,653 --> 00:26:56,966
Just what they read,
what they hear.
494
00:26:59,762 --> 00:27:01,246
Where are you going?
495
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,696
Just down to the station.
496
00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:04,007
- We just.
- Why?
497
00:27:04,905 --> 00:27:05,837
We need to print the statement
498
00:27:05,871 --> 00:27:06,803
and have it signed immediately.
499
00:27:06,838 --> 00:27:08,667
Well, use our bloody printer!
500
00:27:08,702 --> 00:27:10,220
Ruth, it's fine.
501
00:27:10,255 --> 00:27:11,877
We'll be 30 minutes, I promise.
502
00:27:19,402 --> 00:27:21,093
This hockey stick graph,
503
00:27:21,128 --> 00:27:22,716
the one that you mention
in the interview,
504
00:27:23,958 --> 00:27:25,511
why is it so important exactly?
505
00:27:25,546 --> 00:27:28,963
Well, it's a reconstruction
of global temperature,
506
00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:34,555
a window into the past, I
suppose, back 1,000 years.
507
00:27:44,910 --> 00:27:47,154
All these are decades here.
508
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:51,917
That is the handle of the stick.
509
00:27:51,952 --> 00:27:54,402
And here, in the 19th century,
510
00:27:54,437 --> 00:27:56,853
when industrialization
takes off,
511
00:27:57,854 --> 00:28:01,651
up until now, that's the blade,
512
00:28:01,686 --> 00:28:05,068
when temperatures
increase dramatically.
513
00:28:05,103 --> 00:28:06,691
This is your work?
514
00:28:06,725 --> 00:28:08,244
Well, I contributed.
515
00:28:09,452 --> 00:28:12,489
CRU was the first
unit to be dedicated
516
00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:15,216
to the subject of
climate change.
517
00:28:15,251 --> 00:28:17,149
We devoted more time
than anyone else
518
00:28:17,184 --> 00:28:21,464
to gather the temperature data.
519
00:28:21,498 --> 00:28:26,365
It's not just from across the
world, but from across time.
520
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,400
Wow.
521
00:28:28,782 --> 00:28:32,233
From before we had
thermometer readings,
522
00:28:33,787 --> 00:28:37,238
historical, records,
ships' logs.
523
00:28:38,481 --> 00:28:40,655
And then even further back,
524
00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:44,349
proxy data, such as tree rings
525
00:28:44,383 --> 00:28:46,144
- and ice cores.
- I saw the tree rings
526
00:28:46,178 --> 00:28:47,835
on the walls of your office.
527
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:49,388
They're beautiful.
528
00:28:50,804 --> 00:28:53,738
Well, all of that,
529
00:28:53,772 --> 00:28:57,431
the proxy and historical
data goes into the graph.
530
00:28:59,191 --> 00:29:02,194
It helps make the past
531
00:29:03,989 --> 00:29:04,989
readable.
532
00:29:11,652 --> 00:29:12,757
Best get you home, yeah.
533
00:29:15,829 --> 00:29:17,175
Thank you.
534
00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:23,422
Who's doing this, Trevor?
535
00:29:23,457 --> 00:29:24,872
Who knows?
536
00:29:24,907 --> 00:29:27,668
Plenty of vested interests
would like Copenhagen to fail.
537
00:29:27,702 --> 00:29:29,635
I know why they're
doing it to us, though.
538
00:29:30,809 --> 00:29:32,052
The hockey stick graph.
539
00:29:34,261 --> 00:29:35,997
The one showing the rise
in global temperatures?
540
00:29:36,021 --> 00:29:38,886
Yeah, CRU's work has been
keystone to that graph.
541
00:29:38,921 --> 00:29:42,683
I mean, it was meant to be
the final word in the debate.
542
00:29:42,717 --> 00:29:44,029
The science behind
it is complex,
543
00:29:44,064 --> 00:29:46,445
though the way it
conveys it is simple,
544
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,275
it cuts through the noise.
545
00:29:48,309 --> 00:29:50,691
That's what the
skeptics don't like.
546
00:29:50,725 --> 00:29:52,727
Ever since it was
published, they've known,
547
00:29:52,762 --> 00:29:55,213
if they're to keep
the debate going,
548
00:29:55,247 --> 00:29:58,250
they have to cast doubt
on the hockey stick.
549
00:29:58,285 --> 00:29:59,217
Crafty buggers.
550
00:29:59,251 --> 00:30:00,251
Sorry.
551
00:30:00,977 --> 00:30:02,599
That was a long one.
552
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:04,498
Must have done over
20 interviews now.
553
00:30:05,844 --> 00:30:08,674
It's like speaking into a storm.
554
00:30:08,709 --> 00:30:10,090
No one can hear us.
555
00:30:11,194 --> 00:30:12,194
Or wants to.
556
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,889
We're being drowned out
by a sigh of relief.
557
00:30:15,923 --> 00:30:17,269
Relief?
558
00:30:17,304 --> 00:30:19,237
Well, imagine if
you woke up tomorrow
559
00:30:19,271 --> 00:30:22,033
to be told you don't have to
worry about climate change.
560
00:30:23,482 --> 00:30:26,727
Millions of dollars have gone
into the denial campaigns.
561
00:30:26,761 --> 00:30:28,222
And most of it to
achieve exactly this,
562
00:30:28,246 --> 00:30:30,489
to make the science
seem uncertain.
563
00:30:31,905 --> 00:30:33,872
It's been going on for years,
564
00:30:33,907 --> 00:30:35,253
ever since we first
started talking
565
00:30:35,287 --> 00:30:37,393
about actually doing something
about global warming.
566
00:30:37,427 --> 00:30:38,808
Which was when, exactly?
567
00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:40,845
Oh, late '80s.
568
00:30:42,018 --> 00:30:46,160
So those campaigns essentially,
569
00:30:46,195 --> 00:30:48,473
they bought themselves
time with those millions.
570
00:30:48,507 --> 00:30:51,752
They've had decades to prepare
a receptive environment.
571
00:30:52,926 --> 00:30:54,306
Whoever hacked into us,
572
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,862
all they had to do was
release those emails
573
00:30:57,896 --> 00:31:01,935
in the right places
and sit back and watch.
574
00:31:01,969 --> 00:31:04,316
They've had 20 years
to prepare for this.
575
00:31:04,351 --> 00:31:05,524
We've had days.
576
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:07,388
We need crisis
management advice.
577
00:31:08,976 --> 00:31:10,978
It's a straight choice.
578
00:31:11,013 --> 00:31:12,911
Duck it or fight it.
579
00:31:12,946 --> 00:31:15,776
But how do we fight it
if the world wants Phil
580
00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:18,675
and the data and we
can't provide either.
581
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:20,712
Okay, well, if Phil
can't do the interviews,
582
00:31:20,746 --> 00:31:22,024
then you have to.
583
00:31:23,197 --> 00:31:24,819
What about the
independent inquiry?
584
00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:28,409
No one gets hacked
for the sake of it.
585
00:31:28,444 --> 00:31:29,824
There's always intent.
586
00:31:30,964 --> 00:31:32,655
The UN Climate
Conference, the COP,
587
00:31:32,689 --> 00:31:34,036
it opens next week, right?
588
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:35,485
Yes.
589
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,073
So, it's a strategy.
590
00:31:37,108 --> 00:31:39,144
Someone's decided to
take positive action to.
591
00:31:39,179 --> 00:31:41,629
We don't actually know
if that's the case.
592
00:31:41,664 --> 00:31:43,424
Nothing's a coincidence.
593
00:31:43,459 --> 00:31:45,357
Sow doubt where
there's certainty,
594
00:31:45,392 --> 00:31:48,050
apply a minor inconsistency
to the entire evidence,
595
00:31:48,084 --> 00:31:51,260
discredit a group of
people, muddy the debate,
596
00:31:51,294 --> 00:31:54,608
all to achieve policy outcry.
597
00:31:54,642 --> 00:31:55,642
It's hardly new.
598
00:31:56,955 --> 00:31:58,450
Straight out of the
tobacco companies' playbook
599
00:31:58,474 --> 00:32:01,166
when they were stalling for
time on cigarettes and cancer.
600
00:32:01,201 --> 00:32:02,650
Mm.
601
00:32:02,685 --> 00:32:04,825
Other interest groups have
used the same strategies
602
00:32:04,859 --> 00:32:07,966
around pesticides, the
ozone hole, acid rain.
603
00:32:08,001 --> 00:32:10,796
It's not like we haven't
seen these tactics before.
604
00:32:10,831 --> 00:32:11,831
No.
605
00:32:13,109 --> 00:32:15,146
Never with the internet.
606
00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:16,181
The blocks.
607
00:32:17,596 --> 00:32:18,839
Yeah, that is new.
608
00:32:18,873 --> 00:32:20,668
I'll admit there's
no playbook for that.
609
00:32:25,846 --> 00:32:26,846
Look.
610
00:32:28,435 --> 00:32:30,126
This isn't gonna be easy.
611
00:32:31,714 --> 00:32:36,063
For a start, you're a white,
middle-aged, posh man.
612
00:32:37,409 --> 00:32:38,697
It's gonna be hard
for you to go on TV
613
00:32:38,721 --> 00:32:40,240
and come across as likable.
614
00:32:41,551 --> 00:32:42,551
Yes.
615
00:32:43,346 --> 00:32:44,416
Yes, I see.
616
00:32:46,349 --> 00:32:47,557
It's your only choice.
617
00:32:49,111 --> 00:32:50,111
Do nothing now,
618
00:32:51,630 --> 00:32:53,908
that's as good as being guilty.
619
00:33:01,468 --> 00:33:02,676
Now, it's hard to believe
620
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:04,816
that some emails written
on a university campus
621
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:06,991
in Norwich could be
quite so damaging.
622
00:33:07,025 --> 00:33:09,994
Today, Saudi Arabia's chief
climate change negotiator,
623
00:33:10,028 --> 00:33:12,617
no less, said the leaked
emails from scientists
624
00:33:12,651 --> 00:33:14,067
at the Climate Research Unit
625
00:33:14,101 --> 00:33:17,277
at the University of East
Anglia will have a huge impact
626
00:33:17,311 --> 00:33:19,900
on next week's Copenhagen
summit, even as it's...
627
00:33:25,975 --> 00:33:27,321
You shouldn't be watching that.
628
00:33:27,356 --> 00:33:28,150
Why not?
629
00:33:28,184 --> 00:33:29,184
It's what I've done.
630
00:33:31,429 --> 00:33:32,671
That's not true.
631
00:33:36,848 --> 00:33:40,369
They've finally found
a way to get me, Ruth.
632
00:33:42,405 --> 00:33:43,648
And they'll, well,
633
00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:49,999
pull at this thread
until it all unravels!
634
00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:57,489
- They've won, Ruth.
- No, they haven't!
635
00:33:59,457 --> 00:34:01,355
They know the truth
is out there now.
636
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:06,395
So all they can do is try
to find ways of delaying
637
00:34:06,429 --> 00:34:08,397
how soon it reaches everyone.
638
00:34:08,431 --> 00:34:11,124
That's not the actions
of people who've won.
639
00:34:11,158 --> 00:34:16,163
Philip, that's the desperation
of people who've lost.
640
00:34:19,546 --> 00:34:21,065
You're forgetting something.
641
00:34:22,514 --> 00:34:23,514
What?
642
00:34:27,174 --> 00:34:30,419
Not everyone wants the
truth to reach them.
643
00:35:03,831 --> 00:35:05,039
So, what do you think?
644
00:35:06,248 --> 00:35:07,697
I think they're screwed.
645
00:35:23,851 --> 00:35:26,613
The blogs I get and the
American right wing networks,
646
00:35:26,647 --> 00:35:28,994
but the mainstream media
following their lead.
647
00:35:29,029 --> 00:35:30,479
The BBC, for Christ's sake!
648
00:35:30,513 --> 00:35:32,412
Which is why we need
to get him out there.
649
00:35:33,378 --> 00:35:34,586
Phil?
650
00:35:34,621 --> 00:35:36,899
We need to put a
human face on this,
651
00:35:36,933 --> 00:35:38,728
before the House
of Commons hearing.
652
00:35:39,729 --> 00:35:41,179
Get the public back on our side.
653
00:35:41,214 --> 00:35:42,422
He could barely talk.
654
00:35:42,456 --> 00:35:44,665
Which is why it has to be print.
655
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:45,701
No TV.
656
00:35:46,702 --> 00:35:48,152
You're serious?
657
00:35:48,186 --> 00:35:49,463
We'll have to coach him.
658
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:52,432
"Sunday Times," front page.
659
00:35:53,398 --> 00:35:54,813
Do you think they'll take it?
660
00:35:54,848 --> 00:35:56,332
They'll love it!
661
00:35:57,540 --> 00:35:59,473
It's what they've been
baying for, isn't it?
662
00:35:59,508 --> 00:36:01,579
The man at the heart of it.
663
00:36:01,613 --> 00:36:04,168
Edward tried his best,
but no one wanted to know.
664
00:36:05,307 --> 00:36:07,516
So we throw them to the lions.
665
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:09,345
With a couple of lion
tamers in the room.
666
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,315
But yeah, if it means we're the
ones feeding them for a bit.
667
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:14,661
That's exactly what we do.
668
00:36:15,765 --> 00:36:17,215
No time for anything else.
669
00:36:18,423 --> 00:36:19,504
Not with that House
of Commons committee
670
00:36:19,528 --> 00:36:21,357
breathing down our necks.
671
00:36:23,256 --> 00:36:25,085
We'll coach him here.
672
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,119
Today.
673
00:36:28,364 --> 00:36:30,211
- Are you sure this is the right?
- I'm positive.
674
00:36:33,266 --> 00:36:35,026
Unless you wanna cut him loose.
675
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:36,165
Out of the question.
676
00:36:39,444 --> 00:36:40,583
Well, I had to check.
677
00:36:41,929 --> 00:36:44,622
Because if it's the
reputation of the university
678
00:36:44,656 --> 00:36:46,486
- you're trying to save here.
- It isn't.
679
00:36:48,350 --> 00:36:50,214
- It isn't?
- Well, yes, it is,
680
00:36:51,318 --> 00:36:53,182
but that's no
longer the priority.
681
00:36:53,217 --> 00:36:55,322
This is about more than
the university now.
682
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:57,359
Much more.
683
00:36:57,393 --> 00:36:58,393
The science?
684
00:36:59,775 --> 00:37:02,640
- The truth.
- Right.
685
00:37:02,674 --> 00:37:04,228
That's what's at stake here.
686
00:37:06,126 --> 00:37:10,199
And who gets to tell
the truth, or not,
687
00:37:10,234 --> 00:37:13,375
about something that
affects every living thing
688
00:37:13,409 --> 00:37:14,409
on the planet.
689
00:37:24,213 --> 00:37:25,213
Mea culpa.
690
00:37:26,422 --> 00:37:28,631
That's what you open with,
before anything else.
691
00:37:28,666 --> 00:37:30,046
I'll brief the
journalists to ask
692
00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:31,427
about the data stuff first,
693
00:37:31,462 --> 00:37:33,153
the Freedom of
Information request.
694
00:37:33,187 --> 00:37:34,948
When he does, you
put your hands up.
695
00:37:34,982 --> 00:37:36,260
Admit you got it wrong.
696
00:37:36,294 --> 00:37:38,641
But those requests,
they weren't genuine.
697
00:37:38,676 --> 00:37:40,194
- Yes, we know.
- The data was already.
698
00:37:40,229 --> 00:37:42,438
But admitting that
you got frustrated,
699
00:37:42,473 --> 00:37:43,922
you could have
handled it better,
700
00:37:43,957 --> 00:37:45,199
- that's very relatable.
- Yeah.
701
00:37:45,234 --> 00:37:46,763
Getting pissed off with
a bunch of time wasters
702
00:37:46,787 --> 00:37:48,858
who wanna prove you wrong,
there's no shame in that.
703
00:37:48,893 --> 00:37:50,101
No data was destroyed.
704
00:37:50,135 --> 00:37:51,689
And that's exactly
what you'll say,
705
00:37:51,723 --> 00:37:54,450
after you've acknowledged what
you could have done better.
706
00:37:54,485 --> 00:37:57,039
You say it then and
people will listen.
707
00:37:57,073 --> 00:37:58,212
It'll sound true.
708
00:38:03,148 --> 00:38:04,148
It is true.
709
00:38:05,461 --> 00:38:08,671
But I need to believe
you when you say it is.
710
00:38:09,879 --> 00:38:11,398
That's all that matters.
711
00:38:16,507 --> 00:38:18,854
Right, so, we take
a little bit of this
712
00:38:18,888 --> 00:38:19,993
and pop it in here.
713
00:38:20,027 --> 00:38:21,615
And then, if you
take your finger
714
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:23,410
and poke a nice hole in there.
715
00:38:23,445 --> 00:38:24,687
That's it.
716
00:38:24,722 --> 00:38:26,620
And then, what do
you think you do?
717
00:38:26,655 --> 00:38:29,036
- Put an acorn in?
- Yes, just the one.
718
00:38:34,248 --> 00:38:35,836
- There.
- Maybe a little bit more.
719
00:38:41,255 --> 00:38:45,259
So, a trick is just a clever
way of doing something.
720
00:38:45,294 --> 00:38:47,779
In statistical modeling,
yes, or in maths,
721
00:38:47,814 --> 00:38:50,782
- a short cut.
- It still sounds suspect.
722
00:38:50,817 --> 00:38:52,266
A trick of the trade?
723
00:38:52,301 --> 00:38:53,440
- A technique?
- If you like,
724
00:38:53,475 --> 00:38:55,856
- a solution to a problem.
- But nothing more?
725
00:38:55,891 --> 00:38:57,271
No.
726
00:38:57,306 --> 00:38:58,790
Good.
727
00:38:58,825 --> 00:39:01,137
But then, we get to
hide the decline.
728
00:39:02,587 --> 00:39:05,107
Sent everyone through the
roof, this one, hasn't it?
729
00:39:05,141 --> 00:39:07,868
Sarah Palin, the US
networks, the papers.
730
00:39:08,869 --> 00:39:09,905
What's your defense?
731
00:39:11,113 --> 00:39:12,539
Because it had better
be a bloody good one.
732
00:39:12,563 --> 00:39:15,289
In as few words as
possible, simple and short.
733
00:39:15,324 --> 00:39:16,843
And in a way I'll believe it.
734
00:39:21,779 --> 00:39:23,090
It's about tree rings.
735
00:39:24,229 --> 00:39:25,023
What?
736
00:39:25,058 --> 00:39:26,266
Well, the decline.
737
00:39:27,923 --> 00:39:29,614
It isn't about temperatures.
738
00:39:29,649 --> 00:39:30,649
Go on.
739
00:39:33,963 --> 00:39:38,002
To predict the future, we've
got to understand the past.
740
00:39:38,036 --> 00:39:40,625
- Hubert Lamb's.
- I'm not interested.
741
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:41,660
Try again.
742
00:39:45,458 --> 00:39:46,458
Go on, Phil.
743
00:39:49,358 --> 00:39:53,189
Temperature records consist
of two kinds of measurements.
744
00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:55,295
From around the
mid 19th century,
745
00:39:55,329 --> 00:39:57,677
we have actual
instrument recordings.
746
00:39:57,711 --> 00:39:58,850
Try it as a question.
747
00:40:04,442 --> 00:40:08,515
How do we obtain measurements
from further back,
748
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:11,345
from before we have
instrument recordings?
749
00:40:11,380 --> 00:40:14,038
Good, I have no
idea, educate me.
750
00:40:14,072 --> 00:40:15,246
How do we?
751
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,697
- We use proxy data.
- Sorry, Phil.
752
00:40:17,731 --> 00:40:19,802
How else might
you explain proxy?
753
00:40:19,837 --> 00:40:20,837
What is it?
754
00:40:28,501 --> 00:40:30,882
The natural world has a memory.
755
00:40:32,436 --> 00:40:37,026
It can preserve the physical
characteristics of the past.
756
00:40:38,165 --> 00:40:39,615
Past temperatures?
757
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:42,480
Yes and weather events.
758
00:40:42,515 --> 00:40:44,033
What kind of characteristics?
759
00:40:45,483 --> 00:40:48,728
Well, concentrations of
oxygen isotopes in ice,
760
00:40:50,143 --> 00:40:53,560
or the composition and
annual banding in corals,
761
00:40:53,595 --> 00:40:58,600
or the width and the density
of annual tree ring growth.
762
00:40:59,601 --> 00:41:00,601
Tree rings?
763
00:41:02,535 --> 00:41:05,641
Yes, they're wider in a
season of good growth,
764
00:41:05,676 --> 00:41:08,264
when it's warmer, and
narrower in a season
765
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:10,681
of restricted growth,
when it's colder.
766
00:41:10,715 --> 00:41:14,098
So, you add this stuff,
natural characteristics,
767
00:41:14,132 --> 00:41:16,618
to the instrument measurements
and you get a record
768
00:41:16,652 --> 00:41:19,966
of temperatures stretching back
in time before thermometers?
769
00:41:21,485 --> 00:41:22,934
It isn't quite that simple.
770
00:41:22,969 --> 00:41:24,902
Put simply, though,
is Neil right?
771
00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:27,317
Well, yes.
772
00:41:28,526 --> 00:41:31,771
So, what's being hidden,
then, in the paper,
773
00:41:31,805 --> 00:41:33,497
you were discussing
in that email?
774
00:41:34,946 --> 00:41:38,432
I was writing about one diagram,
775
00:41:39,399 --> 00:41:40,814
not a scientific paper.
776
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:43,023
Phil, split any more
hairs and I'll go bald.
777
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:48,546
It's okay, Phil.
778
00:41:48,581 --> 00:41:50,168
Just try to answer the question.
779
00:41:51,238 --> 00:41:52,343
What were you hiding?
780
00:42:06,012 --> 00:42:08,497
This is the diagram.
781
00:42:11,293 --> 00:42:13,226
The blue line is
the hockey stick,
782
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:15,366
the red line is my own
similar reconstructions
783
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,162
and the green line was produced
784
00:42:18,196 --> 00:42:22,304
by my colleague, Keith Briffa,
using tree ring density data.
785
00:42:23,443 --> 00:42:25,928
Keith's data produced
similar results
786
00:42:25,963 --> 00:42:29,449
to my own reconstruction,
787
00:42:29,483 --> 00:42:31,555
until 1960,
788
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:33,487
when it began to diverge.
789
00:42:34,558 --> 00:42:35,351
Diverge?
790
00:42:35,386 --> 00:42:36,836
What do you mean?
791
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:41,219
Well, the real temperatures
increase sharply after 1960.
792
00:42:42,427 --> 00:42:45,361
But the tree rings got
narrower, less dense,
793
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:49,918
as if the temperature was
decreasing, getting colder.
794
00:42:49,952 --> 00:42:51,091
Why would they do that?
795
00:42:51,126 --> 00:42:52,437
Well, we're not sure.
796
00:42:53,749 --> 00:42:56,649
Acid rain, or the depletion
in the ozone layer,
797
00:42:56,683 --> 00:43:00,584
but whatever the cause,
the tree ring data
798
00:43:00,618 --> 00:43:03,725
becomes unreliable after 1960.
799
00:43:03,759 --> 00:43:05,761
But if it's unreliable then,
800
00:43:05,796 --> 00:43:07,729
how do we know it
was any good before?
801
00:43:07,763 --> 00:43:12,630
Its match to previous
instrument readings were strong
802
00:43:12,665 --> 00:43:14,459
and universal all
through the 19th
803
00:43:14,494 --> 00:43:17,221
and 20th century until 1960.
804
00:43:17,255 --> 00:43:19,223
But on the graph,
there's no divergence?
805
00:43:19,257 --> 00:43:21,777
Yes, and
806
00:43:21,812 --> 00:43:25,091
I knew that the data
became unreliable,
807
00:43:25,125 --> 00:43:30,027
so I included only the real
temperatures in the green line.
808
00:43:31,787 --> 00:43:33,168
To hide the decline.
809
00:43:35,308 --> 00:43:37,241
In tree ring density.
810
00:43:37,275 --> 00:43:38,587
But not the temperature?
811
00:43:40,693 --> 00:43:44,006
Well, there was no decline
in temperature to hide.
812
00:43:45,421 --> 00:43:48,770
Every thermometer in the
world will say the opposite.
813
00:43:51,117 --> 00:43:54,430
The temperatures were rising
all through that period.
814
00:43:58,814 --> 00:43:59,884
And they still are.
815
00:44:08,824 --> 00:44:09,824
Jesus!
816
00:44:11,724 --> 00:44:13,829
They really screwed
you over, didn't they?
817
00:44:52,419 --> 00:44:53,766
Both down?
818
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,800
Flat out.
819
00:44:59,564 --> 00:45:03,499
So, how's he doing,
your scientist?
820
00:45:03,534 --> 00:45:05,018
Not too great, to be honest.
821
00:45:10,127 --> 00:45:12,025
And who do you think
did this to him?
822
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:14,199
The hack?
823
00:45:15,615 --> 00:45:16,615
Who knows?
824
00:45:17,721 --> 00:45:18,870
But whoever's behind
what's happened
825
00:45:18,894 --> 00:45:20,102
since knows their stuff.
826
00:45:21,828 --> 00:45:23,761
I mean, a few months ago,
827
00:45:23,796 --> 00:45:25,556
there was consensus
on global warming.
828
00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:28,007
Now, headlines across the world.
829
00:45:30,803 --> 00:45:32,943
Could have all just happened?
830
00:45:32,977 --> 00:45:35,739
Might not be anyone
behind it at all.
831
00:45:36,843 --> 00:45:38,845
Some big players have
had plans for ages.
832
00:45:40,536 --> 00:45:42,159
Oil companies, especially.
833
00:45:43,885 --> 00:45:46,404
They all want to stop the
science getting out there.
834
00:45:49,683 --> 00:45:50,857
What's so crazy is
835
00:45:50,892 --> 00:45:53,066
they knew more about
it before anyone else.
836
00:45:54,896 --> 00:45:57,277
All through the '80s, they had
the best climate scientists,
837
00:45:57,312 --> 00:45:58,520
scenario planners.
838
00:46:00,246 --> 00:46:04,284
And these guys, they're telling
them, the CEOs, the boards,
839
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:06,286
increasing CO2 in
the atmosphere,
840
00:46:06,321 --> 00:46:10,325
it's going to be a major
problem for the whole world.
841
00:46:11,705 --> 00:46:14,881
Extreme weather, food
shortages, mass migrations.
842
00:46:15,882 --> 00:46:17,021
So what did they do?
843
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:24,339
I can't believe I'm saying this,
844
00:46:24,373 --> 00:46:29,102
but they took all that,
845
00:46:29,137 --> 00:46:32,796
all that knowledge, which they
had more of, in more detail,
846
00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:34,659
and earlier than
anyone else, and.
847
00:46:36,489 --> 00:46:39,872
Well, they used it to
get ahead of the curve,
848
00:46:39,906 --> 00:46:42,944
to come up with strategies
to keep the public uncertain,
849
00:46:42,978 --> 00:46:44,290
unconcerned.
850
00:46:44,324 --> 00:46:45,360
What kind of strategies?
851
00:46:45,394 --> 00:46:48,156
Front organizations, mostly.
852
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:50,572
Produce alternative research
that backed their message
853
00:46:50,606 --> 00:46:51,987
and then pushed it to the media.
854
00:46:52,022 --> 00:46:54,818
Ah, PR then.
855
00:46:54,852 --> 00:46:55,852
Marketing.
856
00:46:57,441 --> 00:46:58,580
Like what you do.
857
00:47:00,271 --> 00:47:01,271
No, Dad.
858
00:47:02,722 --> 00:47:05,138
At least with what I do, you
know who's pitching to you.
859
00:47:07,623 --> 00:47:09,729
When I read the projections
about what could happen
860
00:47:09,763 --> 00:47:11,006
if we don't do anything
861
00:47:13,906 --> 00:47:16,115
and when I see those
dates, 2040 to 2050.
862
00:47:18,082 --> 00:47:20,395
I can't help thinking how
old the girls will be.
863
00:47:21,845 --> 00:47:23,294
What their lives will be like.
864
00:47:25,779 --> 00:47:27,816
How do you know all this?
865
00:47:27,851 --> 00:47:29,024
There's a paper trail.
866
00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:32,338
If you know where to look.
867
00:47:32,372 --> 00:47:34,754
You think it's the oil companies,
then, stole the emails?
868
00:47:35,686 --> 00:47:37,032
Jesus, I don't know, Dad.
869
00:47:38,723 --> 00:47:39,723
It's the internet.
870
00:47:40,898 --> 00:47:43,521
A dark place, filled
with darker places.
871
00:47:45,454 --> 00:47:47,318
I just hope we're
doing the right thing.
872
00:47:48,561 --> 00:47:49,942
Why wouldn't you be?
873
00:47:51,391 --> 00:47:55,775
This isn't a flagship
store, some new trainers.
874
00:47:57,604 --> 00:47:58,640
If we get this wrong,
875
00:48:02,540 --> 00:48:03,714
it's game over for him.
876
00:48:42,684 --> 00:48:44,928
Give Lily a birthday
kiss from me.
877
00:48:46,205 --> 00:48:47,206
Of course.
878
00:49:00,426 --> 00:49:01,841
I'm so sorry, Ruth.
879
00:49:10,712 --> 00:49:12,369
You just call me when it's done
880
00:49:15,372 --> 00:49:16,373
with that journalist.
881
00:49:54,342 --> 00:49:55,619
Oh, God!
882
00:50:00,313 --> 00:50:01,313
Philip!
883
00:50:03,075 --> 00:50:04,731
- Good morning.
- Morning.
884
00:50:04,766 --> 00:50:06,009
Morning.
885
00:50:06,043 --> 00:50:07,562
- How are you?
- Good, good, good.
886
00:50:09,598 --> 00:50:10,772
- Are you ready?
- Yep.
887
00:50:12,118 --> 00:50:13,050
You're gonna be all right.
888
00:50:13,085 --> 00:50:14,239
I'll introduce you to Richard.
889
00:50:16,295 --> 00:50:17,295
Neil!
890
00:50:21,403 --> 00:50:22,853
Thank you, love.
891
00:50:22,887 --> 00:50:24,924
They've done this
before, you know.
892
00:50:26,132 --> 00:50:27,754
- I'm sorry?
- Gone after people.
893
00:50:27,789 --> 00:50:28,686
Scientists.
894
00:50:28,721 --> 00:50:29,929
Just for doing their job.
895
00:50:29,963 --> 00:50:31,517
He'll be fine, I promise.
896
00:50:31,551 --> 00:50:32,759
I don't want your promises.
897
00:50:32,794 --> 00:50:34,727
I want to be sure you
know what you're doing.
898
00:50:34,761 --> 00:50:36,004
Yes, we do.
899
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:37,154
I've been in this
game a long time.
900
00:50:37,178 --> 00:50:38,627
But it isn't!
901
00:50:38,662 --> 00:50:39,456
Don't you see that?
902
00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:40,388
Not to us.
903
00:50:40,422 --> 00:50:41,906
- I'm sorry.
- A game.
904
00:50:43,253 --> 00:50:45,358
- That's not what I meant.
- That man in there,
905
00:50:45,393 --> 00:50:47,015
the man you're about
to let the press at.
906
00:50:47,050 --> 00:50:48,303
- Yeah.
- The press who've dragged him
907
00:50:48,327 --> 00:50:51,088
through the mud for
months, he's my husband.
908
00:50:51,123 --> 00:50:52,607
A father, a grandfather,
909
00:50:52,641 --> 00:50:54,402
someone who's tried to
spend his whole life
910
00:50:54,436 --> 00:50:56,197
getting closer to the truth.
911
00:50:56,231 --> 00:50:58,302
His work is important.
912
00:50:58,337 --> 00:50:59,855
He is important!
913
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:01,857
So I bloody well hope you
do know what you're doing
914
00:51:01,892 --> 00:51:05,068
because this might be just
a job to you, but for us,
915
00:51:05,102 --> 00:51:06,724
we could lose everything!
916
00:51:06,759 --> 00:51:07,553
Do you understand?
917
00:51:07,587 --> 00:51:08,587
Everything!
918
00:51:29,333 --> 00:51:31,301
Do you have any regrets?
919
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,341
Well, I regret
that I didn't deal
920
00:51:37,376 --> 00:51:40,275
with the Freedom of Information
request in a better way.
921
00:51:41,932 --> 00:51:43,209
I misjudged the situation.
922
00:51:45,315 --> 00:51:46,315
How, exactly?
923
00:51:47,282 --> 00:51:51,010
Well, according to the rules,
924
00:51:51,044 --> 00:51:55,152
we're supposed to do 18
hours of work on each one
925
00:51:55,187 --> 00:51:56,878
before we're allowed
to turn it down
926
00:51:56,912 --> 00:52:00,261
and, we received 40
over one weekend,
927
00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:04,506
all requesting the same data
from five different countries.
928
00:52:04,541 --> 00:52:05,990
We were being targeted.
929
00:52:06,025 --> 00:52:07,647
You think they wanted
to waste your time?
930
00:52:08,855 --> 00:52:11,237
Well, the data was
available elsewhere.
931
00:52:11,272 --> 00:52:12,318
They were trying
to slow us down,
932
00:52:12,342 --> 00:52:14,033
take us away from our work.
933
00:52:14,067 --> 00:52:16,656
And the messages you sent
about deleting the data?
934
00:52:18,486 --> 00:52:19,486
Well,
935
00:52:20,695 --> 00:52:21,523
it wasn't data.
936
00:52:21,558 --> 00:52:23,318
It was emails and,
937
00:52:24,285 --> 00:52:25,838
well, that was
938
00:52:31,637 --> 00:52:32,637
frustration.
939
00:52:34,295 --> 00:52:35,675
They were written in anger.
940
00:52:37,401 --> 00:52:39,265
But you did destroy the data?
941
00:52:40,301 --> 00:52:41,198
No.
942
00:52:41,233 --> 00:52:42,475
It wasn't our data to destroy.
943
00:52:43,890 --> 00:52:47,342
We interpret it, we don't
create or collect it.
944
00:52:48,826 --> 00:52:50,449
So when the story broke,
945
00:52:51,898 --> 00:52:53,428
this was all just before
the UN Climate Conference
946
00:52:53,452 --> 00:52:55,488
- in Copenhagen, right?
- Yes.
947
00:52:56,351 --> 00:52:57,525
Did that worry you?
948
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:59,182
That your emails
might be responsible
949
00:52:59,216 --> 00:53:01,356
for undermining the
talks two months ago?
950
00:53:02,564 --> 00:53:04,083
Yes, yes, it did.
951
00:53:04,117 --> 00:53:05,257
An opportunity the world
952
00:53:05,291 --> 00:53:06,741
cannot afford to miss.
953
00:53:06,775 --> 00:53:09,502
The UN Climate Conference
gets under way in Copenhagen.
954
00:53:09,537 --> 00:53:10,986
The mood music is positive
955
00:53:11,021 --> 00:53:13,851
and thousands of people have
converged on Copenhagen,
956
00:53:13,886 --> 00:53:17,510
hoping that some sort of
historic deal might be
957
00:53:17,545 --> 00:53:20,203
within reach, but there are
a whole range of really.
958
00:53:20,237 --> 00:53:21,445
Surely,
959
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,905
the CRU emails are going
to undermine the talks,
960
00:53:22,929 --> 00:53:24,345
aren't they?
961
00:53:24,379 --> 00:53:27,313
The UN's chief climate scientist
has already said as such.
962
00:53:27,348 --> 00:53:30,213
Look, I'm a member of
the UK negotiating team.
963
00:53:30,247 --> 00:53:32,974
I know how this process works.
964
00:53:33,008 --> 00:53:35,252
These negotiators are grown ups.
965
00:53:35,287 --> 00:53:36,736
They know their science.
966
00:53:36,771 --> 00:53:40,464
Some fabricated scandal is not
gonna affect their opinion.
967
00:53:40,499 --> 00:53:42,742
The Saudi negotiator
has already said
968
00:53:42,777 --> 00:53:46,159
the emails question the
validity of this conference.
969
00:53:46,194 --> 00:53:48,127
Well, considering
he's had breakfast
970
00:53:48,161 --> 00:53:50,163
with a different oil company
every morning this week,
971
00:53:50,198 --> 00:53:52,373
I suppose he would, wouldn't he?
972
00:53:52,407 --> 00:53:55,445
Look, these talks might fail,
973
00:53:56,791 --> 00:54:00,001
but it's not gonna be because
of some stolen emails.
974
00:54:00,035 --> 00:54:02,417
Any thoughts on who might
have stolen the emails?
975
00:54:02,452 --> 00:54:03,729
Well, it seems coordinated,
976
00:54:03,763 --> 00:54:07,388
so it could be an
intelligence operation.
977
00:54:07,422 --> 00:54:10,183
The file was loaded
on a server in Tomsk.
978
00:54:10,218 --> 00:54:11,495
Do you think this was Russia?
979
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:12,910
Oh, yes, absolutely.
980
00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:15,637
Well, I have seen first-hand
981
00:54:15,672 --> 00:54:17,915
how active they
can be in stifling
982
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:20,366
the science of global
warming, but equally,
983
00:54:20,401 --> 00:54:24,163
it could also be the
American oil lobby system.
984
00:54:24,197 --> 00:54:27,200
After all, they are the
main source of finance
985
00:54:27,235 --> 00:54:28,374
behind these sort of things.
986
00:54:28,409 --> 00:54:30,997
So you really think
whoever did this
987
00:54:31,032 --> 00:54:33,276
wasn't trying to
derail the talks?
988
00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:36,313
Was it a coincidence that
these emails were released
989
00:54:36,348 --> 00:54:37,763
just before this COP?
990
00:54:37,797 --> 00:54:39,696
Absolutely not!
991
00:54:41,353 --> 00:54:44,356
But it's public opinion
they're trying to influence,
992
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:45,805
not these negotiations.
993
00:54:46,806 --> 00:54:49,361
That's what will affect policy,
994
00:54:49,395 --> 00:54:52,812
so no, this conference
is not their target,
995
00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:55,781
but it is their stage.
996
00:54:55,815 --> 00:55:00,820
The hockey stick is
shattered beyond repair.
997
00:55:01,683 --> 00:55:03,375
And we're talking about it today
998
00:55:03,409 --> 00:55:04,652
because of Climategate.
999
00:55:04,686 --> 00:55:06,239
It's a huge deal.
1000
00:55:07,171 --> 00:55:09,277
Don't take my word for it.
1001
00:55:09,312 --> 00:55:11,900
Just do an internet search
and here's what you find.
1002
00:55:13,074 --> 00:55:15,421
George Monbiot in
"The Guardian,".
1003
00:55:16,595 --> 00:55:19,322
"Pretending this is
not a real crisis
1004
00:55:20,426 --> 00:55:21,979
isn't going to make it go away.
1005
00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:24,948
"Phil Jones has got to go."
1006
00:55:26,156 --> 00:55:28,779
Christopher Brooker,
the UK "Telegraph,".
1007
00:55:28,814 --> 00:55:33,612
"This is the worst scientific
scandal of our generation."
1008
00:55:35,545 --> 00:55:38,962
The scientists involved
in the CRU controversy
1009
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:43,173
violated fundamental
ethical principles,
1010
00:55:43,207 --> 00:55:45,831
governing taxpayer
funded research.
1011
00:55:45,865 --> 00:55:49,628
And in some cases, may
have violated federal laws.
1012
00:55:49,662 --> 00:55:50,698
Now, for this reason,
1013
00:55:51,871 --> 00:55:54,805
I am calling for the
following key players
1014
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,291
to be investigated
with possible referral
1015
00:55:58,326 --> 00:56:01,329
to the US Justice
Department for prosecution,
1016
00:56:01,364 --> 00:56:03,573
Phil Jones, Keith Briffa.
1017
00:56:37,123 --> 00:56:41,162
And, some of these
messages you received,
1018
00:56:43,371 --> 00:56:44,579
were they death threats?
1019
00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:46,580
Yes.
1020
00:56:49,757 --> 00:56:51,172
And if you don't mind me asking,
1021
00:56:52,725 --> 00:56:54,175
what would they say, exactly?
1022
00:56:57,627 --> 00:56:59,491
Well, that they
knew where I lived.
1023
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,082
That I should kill myself.
1024
00:57:08,914 --> 00:57:13,919
And if I didn't,
they'd do it for me.
1025
00:57:16,784 --> 00:57:17,784
And did,
1026
00:57:21,858 --> 00:57:23,273
did you ever think about that?
1027
00:57:25,137 --> 00:57:26,137
About suicide?
1028
00:57:32,455 --> 00:57:33,455
Yes.
1029
00:57:35,561 --> 00:57:36,561
Several times.
1030
00:57:40,773 --> 00:57:41,773
And what,
1031
00:57:42,741 --> 00:57:43,983
I know this is difficult.
1032
00:57:46,641 --> 00:57:47,711
But what stopped you?
1033
00:58:00,897 --> 00:58:01,897
Lily.
1034
00:58:03,658 --> 00:58:06,281
Lily.
1035
00:58:42,801 --> 00:58:45,286
Think, Mrs Jones, somewhere
he goes regularly to,
1036
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,116
you know, mull over stuff,
or to get away from things?
1037
00:58:48,151 --> 00:58:48,945
No.
1038
00:58:48,979 --> 00:58:49,979
No, not without.
1039
00:58:51,775 --> 00:58:52,775
Philip?
1040
00:59:06,963 --> 00:59:09,068
You.
1041
00:59:16,144 --> 00:59:17,905
All right, all right.
1042
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,599
All right, I've got you.
1043
00:59:22,634 --> 00:59:23,738
I've got you.
1044
00:59:28,156 --> 00:59:29,261
How did it go?
1045
00:59:29,295 --> 00:59:30,676
What did you tell them?
1046
00:59:30,711 --> 00:59:32,885
Oh, just everything
that we talked about.
1047
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,335
- Good.
- And er..
1048
00:59:38,822 --> 00:59:40,548
And what, Philip?
1049
00:59:40,583 --> 00:59:42,619
Well, and um,
1050
00:59:43,862 --> 00:59:48,867
about when I went,
1051
00:59:49,626 --> 00:59:51,628
when I didn't, you know.
1052
00:59:51,663 --> 00:59:52,595
When's it going out?
1053
00:59:52,629 --> 00:59:53,423
Tomorrow.
1054
00:59:53,457 --> 00:59:54,597
Well, I mean, I can.
1055
00:59:54,631 --> 00:59:55,598
- Nana!
- I'm sure they won't use it.
1056
00:59:55,632 --> 00:59:57,945
Do you want me to call Neil?
1057
00:59:59,015 --> 01:00:00,706
- I can tell him that.
- I'm going
1058
01:00:00,741 --> 01:00:02,708
- to have to warn Matthew.
- Why?
1059
01:00:03,813 --> 01:00:05,262
Ruth, why?
1060
01:00:06,712 --> 01:00:09,059
Because now they'll know
you've got a granddaughter.
1061
01:00:09,094 --> 01:00:10,543
Those people.
1062
01:00:10,578 --> 01:00:11,717
They'll know about Lily.
1063
01:00:12,994 --> 01:00:16,101
You call Neil and
we'll speak later.
1064
01:00:32,945 --> 01:00:34,947
You didn't ask them to
remove the suicide stuff?
1065
01:00:34,982 --> 01:00:36,121
It's the best bit.
1066
01:00:36,155 --> 01:00:38,123
Takes the heat off
Phil for a week or two.
1067
01:00:38,157 --> 01:00:39,676
Puts a face to it.
1068
01:00:39,711 --> 01:00:40,919
A life.
1069
01:00:40,953 --> 01:00:43,059
Reminds people he's a
person, a grandfather.
1070
01:00:44,267 --> 01:00:45,855
That's what we need
before the hearing.
1071
01:01:15,747 --> 01:01:16,575
What about the hack?
1072
01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:17,852
Who did this?
1073
01:01:17,887 --> 01:01:18,819
How did they do it?
Why did they do it?
1074
01:01:18,853 --> 01:01:20,199
I mean, where are the interviews
1075
01:01:20,234 --> 01:01:21,901
with the security
correspondents, cyber experts?
1076
01:01:21,925 --> 01:01:23,202
Not the story.
1077
01:01:23,237 --> 01:01:24,697
Since when is the
crime not the story?
1078
01:01:24,721 --> 01:01:26,452
When what it's achieved
is more interesting.
1079
01:01:28,207 --> 01:01:30,209
Have you seen these poll
figures from the US,
1080
01:01:30,244 --> 01:01:32,695
conducted in the months
after the leak went viral?
1081
01:01:34,248 --> 01:01:36,871
"59% of Americans say scientists
1082
01:01:36,906 --> 01:01:39,598
have falsified research data
to support their beliefs
1083
01:01:39,632 --> 01:01:41,013
about global warming.
1084
01:01:41,048 --> 01:01:44,361
Only 26% take the
opposite view."
1085
01:01:44,396 --> 01:01:45,984
It's worked, hasn't it?
1086
01:01:46,018 --> 01:01:47,018
Yeah.
1087
01:01:49,781 --> 01:01:51,265
What we need is a
proper deflection,
1088
01:01:51,299 --> 01:01:52,991
someone to point the finger at.
1089
01:01:53,025 --> 01:01:56,926
A likely suspect for who did
the hack, or who was behind it.
1090
01:01:59,238 --> 01:02:02,517
The hacker gave the emails
file names, linked to the date
1091
01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:04,485
and time that the
email was sent.
1092
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:05,935
They must have written a program
1093
01:02:05,969 --> 01:02:08,972
to extract the date
and time from the text
1094
01:02:09,007 --> 01:02:12,735
and a tool to convert that to
the number of seconds elapsed.
1095
01:02:12,769 --> 01:02:14,944
If the times when
the email was sent
1096
01:02:14,978 --> 01:02:16,462
and the time zone
on the computer
1097
01:02:16,497 --> 01:02:19,086
the hacker was using to
process the emails differed,
1098
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,778
then the file name generated
would be incorrect.
1099
01:02:21,813 --> 01:02:22,813
For example,
1100
01:02:23,815 --> 01:02:26,024
an email sent from
Greenwich Mean Time
1101
01:02:26,058 --> 01:02:28,681
would give us an
error of five hours.
1102
01:02:28,716 --> 01:02:32,133
Now, this five hour
mismatch could be later,
1103
01:02:32,168 --> 01:02:36,793
placing the location in this
time zone, Russia and Pakistan,
1104
01:02:36,828 --> 01:02:41,073
or earlier, in this location,
on the East Coast of America.
1105
01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:45,181
Now, emails from this time zone
1106
01:02:45,215 --> 01:02:46,941
give us an error of zero hours.
1107
01:02:46,976 --> 01:02:50,462
Indicating that's where
the emails were processed?
1108
01:02:50,496 --> 01:02:51,566
East Coast of the US?
1109
01:02:51,601 --> 01:02:52,775
Yes.
1110
01:02:52,809 --> 01:02:54,915
Well, that's gonna go
down well, isn't it?
1111
01:02:54,949 --> 01:02:56,433
Now, it is possible
1112
01:02:56,468 --> 01:02:59,505
that the hacker reset his
computer to avoid detection.
1113
01:03:00,886 --> 01:03:02,957
What's GCHQ's input?
1114
01:03:02,992 --> 01:03:05,511
They confirm the Department
of Energy and Climate Change
1115
01:03:05,546 --> 01:03:07,410
has been an intelligence
collection target
1116
01:03:07,444 --> 01:03:08,687
for China and Russia,
1117
01:03:08,721 --> 01:03:10,551
but in terms of
active state action
1118
01:03:10,585 --> 01:03:12,967
and these kind of
tactics, in this area.
1119
01:03:13,002 --> 01:03:14,624
Why do the dirty work yourself,
1120
01:03:14,658 --> 01:03:16,453
if you can pull the
strings remotely?
1121
01:03:16,488 --> 01:03:17,488
Smart.
1122
01:03:18,731 --> 01:03:21,355
And if we follow the money,
where does that take us?
1123
01:03:21,389 --> 01:03:24,599
Well, Russia does have
a huge oil industry.
1124
01:03:24,634 --> 01:03:26,187
And with the melting
of the ice caps,
1125
01:03:26,222 --> 01:03:29,397
it is looking to
exploit the Arctic, but.
1126
01:03:29,432 --> 01:03:32,331
Yes, if you really want
to follow the money,
1127
01:03:32,366 --> 01:03:35,093
it takes us back
here, to the US.
1128
01:03:35,127 --> 01:03:36,301
Oil lobbies.
1129
01:03:36,335 --> 01:03:38,096
Exxon, Koch Brothers.
1130
01:03:38,130 --> 01:03:39,925
They're the ones with
real skin in the game.
1131
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,479
Someone out there
knows who did this.
1132
01:03:42,514 --> 01:03:45,862
Who the gun for hire hacker
was and who was paying them.
1133
01:03:45,897 --> 01:03:47,484
How the hell are we
meant to find them,
1134
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:49,555
if the internet makes
a joke of the search?
1135
01:04:03,569 --> 01:04:05,226
Okay, let's try again.
1136
01:04:06,918 --> 01:04:07,918
Like this.
1137
01:04:09,092 --> 01:04:10,714
The facts are this.
1138
01:04:12,855 --> 01:04:15,029
The facts are this.
1139
01:04:17,998 --> 01:04:20,932
This is a House of
Commons select committee.
1140
01:04:20,966 --> 01:04:22,830
They'll be out for meat.
1141
01:04:22,865 --> 01:04:24,418
You've got to get them on side.
1142
01:04:27,317 --> 01:04:28,974
You do know what's
at stake here?
1143
01:04:37,396 --> 01:04:40,158
What I don't get is, this
is all you've ever done.
1144
01:04:40,192 --> 01:04:42,988
For the last 30 years,
you've stuck it out,
1145
01:04:43,023 --> 01:04:45,025
you've been loyal, whatever.
1146
01:04:45,059 --> 01:04:47,441
This has been your life!
1147
01:04:47,475 --> 01:04:50,133
I mean, don't you care?
1148
01:04:51,652 --> 01:04:52,652
Yes.
1149
01:04:53,447 --> 01:04:54,241
What?
1150
01:04:54,275 --> 01:04:56,519
Yes, I do care!
1151
01:04:59,246 --> 01:05:00,246
Maybe.
1152
01:05:03,043 --> 01:05:04,043
Phil.
1153
01:05:05,355 --> 01:05:06,355
Phil?
1154
01:05:35,868 --> 01:05:37,560
What do you want me not to say?
1155
01:05:42,979 --> 01:05:45,257
I don't want you
not to say anything.
1156
01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:48,847
I just want you
to tell the truth.
1157
01:05:50,021 --> 01:05:52,264
But in a way that it
can be understood.
1158
01:05:52,299 --> 01:05:53,334
Short answers.
1159
01:05:53,369 --> 01:05:54,369
No jargon.
1160
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,864
Why does this all matter?
1161
01:06:05,898 --> 01:06:07,452
What?
1162
01:06:07,486 --> 01:06:08,591
Well.
1163
01:06:08,625 --> 01:06:11,801
Because what they...
1164
01:06:14,942 --> 01:06:17,013
Because it isn't true.
1165
01:06:17,048 --> 01:06:17,980
Right.
1166
01:06:18,014 --> 01:06:19,014
But beyond that?
1167
01:06:20,361 --> 01:06:21,638
What happens if they win?
1168
01:06:23,054 --> 01:06:25,194
What happens if everyone
ignores your measurements,
1169
01:06:25,228 --> 01:06:26,228
your graphs?
1170
01:06:29,301 --> 01:06:30,751
Well.
1171
01:06:30,785 --> 01:06:32,270
I suppose we'll just carry on
1172
01:06:32,304 --> 01:06:34,651
emitting more greenhouse gases.
1173
01:06:34,686 --> 01:06:37,171
Global temperatures will
continue to increase.
1174
01:06:37,206 --> 01:06:40,105
And if we do that,
what actually happens?
1175
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:42,728
Well, the projection
hasn't changed.
1176
01:06:42,763 --> 01:06:43,971
It's still the same.
1177
01:06:44,006 --> 01:06:45,455
The same as what?
1178
01:06:45,490 --> 01:06:49,183
As when US scientists first
studied it in the '70s.
1179
01:06:50,909 --> 01:06:51,909
Go on.
1180
01:06:53,325 --> 01:06:55,707
Well, a doubling of CO2
emissions in the atmosphere
1181
01:06:55,741 --> 01:06:59,573
will result in a 1.5
to 4.5 degree increase.
1182
01:07:01,851 --> 01:07:03,542
In what?
1183
01:07:03,577 --> 01:07:05,199
Average surface temperature.
1184
01:07:06,476 --> 01:07:08,582
Polar amplification will mean
1185
01:07:08,616 --> 01:07:10,963
that melting in the
poles will be greater.
1186
01:07:12,482 --> 01:07:16,176
Maybe as much as 10 degrees.
1187
01:07:16,210 --> 01:07:17,763
What happens, Phil,
1188
01:07:18,902 --> 01:07:21,871
for our children
and their children?
1189
01:07:21,905 --> 01:07:24,494
No numbers, just
the consequences.
1190
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:34,400
Well.
1191
01:07:35,781 --> 01:07:40,234
By 2100, dust bowl conditions
1192
01:07:40,269 --> 01:07:44,480
across North America
and Africa, Asia too.
1193
01:07:46,723 --> 01:07:47,724
Sooner than that,
1194
01:07:48,932 --> 01:07:52,419
a massive reduction in
agricultural production,
1195
01:07:52,453 --> 01:07:57,079
access to drinking water,
migration in huge numbers.
1196
01:08:01,117 --> 01:08:05,880
Bushfires on a massive
scale in Australia,
1197
01:08:05,915 --> 01:08:07,261
the West Coast.
1198
01:08:08,814 --> 01:08:11,507
Annual melting at the poles,
1199
01:08:12,404 --> 01:08:14,751
the West Antarctic ice sheet,
1200
01:08:14,786 --> 01:08:16,098
well, because of that,
1201
01:08:17,789 --> 01:08:22,034
the global sea
level rise of, well,
1202
01:08:23,381 --> 01:08:24,381
meters.
1203
01:08:25,762 --> 01:08:27,902
But what does that
all mean for us?
1204
01:08:27,937 --> 01:08:28,937
People.
1205
01:08:29,697 --> 01:08:30,871
Make me see it, Phil.
1206
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:35,496
Well, in this worst
case scenario,
1207
01:08:37,153 --> 01:08:40,639
70% of the habitable world
1208
01:08:40,674 --> 01:08:43,125
will no longer be able
to sustain human life.
1209
01:08:45,886 --> 01:08:48,992
Millions of species
will become extinct.
1210
01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:54,032
And coastal and delta
cities will be underwater.
1211
01:08:55,689 --> 01:09:00,694
And, well, if the
methane in the permafrost
1212
01:09:01,902 --> 01:09:04,387
and on the seabed
is released, well.
1213
01:09:06,182 --> 01:09:07,182
Yes?
1214
01:09:10,428 --> 01:09:12,050
The climate will collapse.
1215
01:09:14,915 --> 01:09:19,782
And the world as we
know it will be gone.
1216
01:09:33,554 --> 01:09:36,143
Now, we know there are
some people out there
1217
01:09:36,178 --> 01:09:38,697
who think everything you've
just said is bollocks.
1218
01:09:40,043 --> 01:09:42,529
Maybe even some of the
hearing committee, who knows?
1219
01:09:44,703 --> 01:09:46,671
But if you can remember
everything you just said
1220
01:09:46,705 --> 01:09:47,948
when you're answering them,
1221
01:09:47,982 --> 01:09:49,881
no matter how dry
those answers are,
1222
01:09:52,090 --> 01:09:53,954
then we don't have
to worry about it.
1223
01:10:02,376 --> 01:10:03,376
Let's take a break.
1224
01:10:09,728 --> 01:10:10,728
Anything?
1225
01:10:11,937 --> 01:10:14,664
It's the same names
cropping up again and again.
1226
01:10:14,699 --> 01:10:17,874
With tobacco in the '70s,
acid rain in the '80s,
1227
01:10:17,909 --> 01:10:19,704
and now with global warming.
1228
01:10:19,738 --> 01:10:20,922
It's not just the same strategy,
1229
01:10:20,946 --> 01:10:22,327
it's the same bloody people.
1230
01:10:24,226 --> 01:10:27,574
But all this now with Phil,
the emails, it's just.
1231
01:10:28,713 --> 01:10:30,611
The latest battle
in a longer war.
1232
01:10:35,133 --> 01:10:36,133
It always is, son.
1233
01:10:38,378 --> 01:10:39,586
You'll come to see that.
1234
01:10:42,589 --> 01:10:43,590
It always is.
1235
01:10:51,218 --> 01:10:52,737
They're gonna tear him apart.
1236
01:10:54,946 --> 01:10:56,775
We've still got a
couple more days.
1237
01:10:59,191 --> 01:11:01,055
We'll have to rehearse
the hell out of him.
1238
01:11:01,953 --> 01:11:04,749
Choreograph it step by step.
1239
01:11:04,783 --> 01:11:06,174
Royal Ballet will
have nothing on us
1240
01:11:06,198 --> 01:11:07,338
by the time we're done.
1241
01:11:20,661 --> 01:11:22,560
So why not release the data?
1242
01:11:22,594 --> 01:11:24,458
Shouldn't everyone
get to see it?
1243
01:11:24,493 --> 01:11:26,046
Don't focus on how you feel,
1244
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,772
focus on how you come across.
1245
01:11:27,806 --> 01:11:31,293
How is someone sitting there
on the other side seeing you?
1246
01:11:32,673 --> 01:11:34,710
The select committee
hearing is your only chance
1247
01:11:34,744 --> 01:11:36,090
to defend yourself.
1248
01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:38,058
So, how is that right,
1249
01:11:38,092 --> 01:11:40,957
to stop other scientists
publishing their findings?
1250
01:11:40,992 --> 01:11:42,994
Weren't you just
using your position
1251
01:11:43,028 --> 01:11:44,236
to quash other opinions?
1252
01:11:45,824 --> 01:11:50,829
Yes or no, did you ask your
colleagues to delete emails?
1253
01:11:51,968 --> 01:11:53,349
There was no manipulation, yup.
1254
01:11:53,384 --> 01:11:55,696
So you've been manipulating
the historic records,
1255
01:11:55,731 --> 01:11:56,628
is that right?
1256
01:11:56,663 --> 01:11:58,596
So, there was no manipulation,
1257
01:11:59,804 --> 01:12:03,428
just adjustment in the
pursuit of accuracy
1258
01:12:03,463 --> 01:12:06,397
because that's
how science works.
1259
01:12:06,431 --> 01:12:09,089
That's how we get to the truth.
1260
01:12:19,133 --> 01:12:20,825
Well done, Phil, well done!
1261
01:12:32,043 --> 01:12:33,458
How are you feeling?
1262
01:12:45,194 --> 01:12:46,747
Just show them who you are.
1263
01:12:47,748 --> 01:12:49,163
- What else can I do?
- No, I...
1264
01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:56,067
Do you remember
when we first met?
1265
01:12:58,069 --> 01:13:00,796
In the halls of residence?
1266
01:13:00,830 --> 01:13:02,073
I was playing darts
1267
01:13:02,107 --> 01:13:04,593
and your room was on the
other side of the wall.
1268
01:13:04,627 --> 01:13:06,422
You came out to
ask us to be quiet.
1269
01:13:06,457 --> 01:13:08,424
- It was distracting.
- I know.
1270
01:13:13,912 --> 01:13:17,295
The way you asked us, the
way you carried yourself.
1271
01:13:18,676 --> 01:13:20,816
I could tell straight
away, here was a good man.
1272
01:13:24,958 --> 01:13:25,958
A kind man.
1273
01:13:28,099 --> 01:13:29,411
A man of integrity.
1274
01:13:33,069 --> 01:13:36,314
All the pieces of that man
are still here, Philip,
1275
01:13:40,422 --> 01:13:41,630
which means so is he.
1276
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:47,670
That's who I want
you to show them.
1277
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:25,018
You'll be fine, Phil.
1278
01:14:25,052 --> 01:14:26,157
Watch your shoe.
1279
01:14:30,575 --> 01:14:32,163
Here we are.
1280
01:14:32,197 --> 01:14:34,890
Okay, so, good luck gentlemen.
1281
01:14:34,924 --> 01:14:36,547
You're not coming in?
1282
01:14:36,581 --> 01:14:37,582
Not gonna help your cause
1283
01:14:37,617 --> 01:14:39,342
if the press see me in there.
1284
01:14:39,377 --> 01:14:41,344
- Keep to the brief.
- Good luck.
1285
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:46,246
This is the only day
of verbal evidence
1286
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,523
for the select committee
1287
01:14:47,558 --> 01:14:49,974
and they're keen to hear
from their star witness,
1288
01:14:50,008 --> 01:14:52,528
the former head of the
Climate Research Unit
1289
01:14:52,563 --> 01:14:54,047
at the University
of East Anglia,
1290
01:14:54,081 --> 01:14:57,568
and the subject of many of
those emails, Phil Jones.
1291
01:14:57,602 --> 01:14:58,914
This is the first time
1292
01:14:58,948 --> 01:15:01,710
he's come under close
public scrutiny.
1293
01:15:01,744 --> 01:15:03,815
So, shall we begin,
1294
01:15:03,850 --> 01:15:05,852
Professor Jones,
Professor Acton?
1295
01:15:06,956 --> 01:15:08,337
Thank you.
1296
01:15:08,371 --> 01:15:10,512
I do have a general
statement I'd like to make.
1297
01:15:10,546 --> 01:15:13,480
No, no general
statements, please.
1298
01:15:13,515 --> 01:15:14,723
- Oh, Jesus!
- Just answer
1299
01:15:14,757 --> 01:15:16,621
the questions when
you're asked them.
1300
01:15:17,795 --> 01:15:19,762
Perhaps I could just go back
1301
01:15:19,797 --> 01:15:23,766
to one of Lord Lawson's
earlier comments.
1302
01:15:23,801 --> 01:15:25,112
What did I miss?
1303
01:15:25,147 --> 01:15:28,460
That without an understanding
of the methodology,
1304
01:15:28,495 --> 01:15:32,913
that the peer review
system is rather defunct?
1305
01:15:35,295 --> 01:15:40,300
Well, the methods are published
1306
01:15:41,163 --> 01:15:42,163
in the scientific papers,
1307
01:15:43,406 --> 01:15:46,548
that relatively simple.
1308
01:15:47,963 --> 01:15:49,896
There's nothing sort of
rocket science about them.
1309
01:15:51,449 --> 01:15:52,599
Can you explain
your email exchange
1310
01:15:52,623 --> 01:15:55,177
on the 21st of January 2005,
1311
01:15:56,109 --> 01:15:57,766
when you say you
aren't going to.
1312
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:58,905
How are they doing?
1313
01:16:00,113 --> 01:16:01,010
Not bad.
1314
01:16:01,045 --> 01:16:02,564
Find something wrong with it?
1315
01:16:03,841 --> 01:16:06,602
That's the nature of
scientific pursuits, isn't it?
1316
01:16:07,983 --> 01:16:10,572
Well, I've obviously written
some very awful emails.
1317
01:16:18,269 --> 01:16:19,339
Let's get you home.
1318
01:18:00,751 --> 01:18:02,062
You found him.
1319
01:18:30,366 --> 01:18:32,127
To look at the key works of CRU,
1320
01:18:32,161 --> 01:18:36,648
to reaffirm the sure-fire
quality of the science
1321
01:18:36,683 --> 01:18:40,652
and may I end by saying
just how proud I am
1322
01:18:40,687 --> 01:18:45,036
of the contribution that
UEA and CRU in particular
1323
01:18:45,071 --> 01:18:49,489
has made to humanity's ability
1324
01:18:49,523 --> 01:18:51,871
to understand climate change.
1325
01:18:54,977 --> 01:18:56,772
So, what happens now?
1326
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:58,669
We wait.
1327
01:19:12,788 --> 01:19:14,307
We wait.
1328
01:19:40,747 --> 01:19:41,921
Ah, Trevor.
1329
01:19:41,955 --> 01:19:42,853
Do you know what time
the select committee
1330
01:19:42,887 --> 01:19:44,371
will publish their report?
1331
01:19:44,406 --> 01:19:47,202
Some time in the
morning, so they said.
1332
01:19:47,236 --> 01:19:48,236
Right.
1333
01:19:50,999 --> 01:19:54,036
Are you familiar with
the Fermi paradox
1334
01:19:55,486 --> 01:19:58,869
the contradiction of lack
of evidence for alien life,
1335
01:19:58,903 --> 01:20:03,632
and considering the size
and age of the universe,
1336
01:20:04,978 --> 01:20:06,773
the high possibility
of its existence?
1337
01:20:06,808 --> 01:20:07,878
Yes, yes.
1338
01:20:07,912 --> 01:20:09,534
- The great science.
- Yeah.
1339
01:20:12,054 --> 01:20:13,607
I read a paper yesterday
1340
01:20:14,988 --> 01:20:18,509
that suggested climate
change might be the answer.
1341
01:20:20,718 --> 01:20:24,377
There have perhaps been other
civilizations, thousands,
1342
01:20:26,172 --> 01:20:28,691
but they all did
what we're doing now,
1343
01:20:28,726 --> 01:20:31,798
became more and more
advanced and in doing so.
1344
01:20:31,833 --> 01:20:34,559
- Yes, I see.
- Burnt themselves out.
1345
01:20:34,594 --> 01:20:35,594
Bright and brief.
1346
01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:41,152
It does make you
wonder, doesn't it,
1347
01:20:42,498 --> 01:20:47,296
if all this we're
fighting against is, well,
1348
01:20:49,574 --> 01:20:51,300
possibly what we're meant to do?
1349
01:20:52,854 --> 01:20:54,778
I'll admit humanity does
have something of a gift
1350
01:20:56,029 --> 01:20:59,515
for normalizing great change,
even when it threatens us.
1351
01:21:00,723 --> 01:21:02,794
But we do also have
a gift for survival
1352
01:21:04,175 --> 01:21:07,661
against predators,
disease, dictators.
1353
01:21:09,180 --> 01:21:11,596
We do somehow survive.
1354
01:21:14,634 --> 01:21:17,844
Even if how we
live is the danger?
1355
01:21:19,466 --> 01:21:20,882
You have to hope so, don't you?
1356
01:21:25,196 --> 01:21:26,196
Goodnight, Trevor.
1357
01:21:56,883 --> 01:22:00,300
"The focus on Professor Phil
Jones and CRU has been,"
1358
01:22:03,234 --> 01:22:04,684
"has been misplaced."
1359
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:10,897
"Within the inquiry, and
the evidence we took,
1360
01:22:10,932 --> 01:22:13,210
the scientific reputation
of Professor Jones
1361
01:22:13,244 --> 01:22:15,764
and CRU remains intact.
1362
01:22:15,798 --> 01:22:19,285
We have found no reason in
this unfortunate episode
1363
01:22:21,149 --> 01:22:23,254
to challenge the
scientific consensus
1364
01:22:23,289 --> 01:22:24,980
that global warming is happening
1365
01:22:25,015 --> 01:22:27,051
and is induced by
human activity.
1366
01:22:27,086 --> 01:22:29,364
In so far as we've been
able to consider accusations
1367
01:22:29,398 --> 01:22:33,195
of dishonesty, for example,
Professor Jones' alleged attempt
1368
01:22:33,230 --> 01:22:36,060
"to hide the decline,
we consider there is."
1369
01:22:40,651 --> 01:22:42,515
"There is no case to answer."
1370
01:23:06,194 --> 01:23:11,199
The work done by CRU and have
no doubt that for all of us,
1371
01:23:12,372 --> 01:23:14,340
our children and
our grandchildren,
1372
01:23:15,513 --> 01:23:20,346
Phil Jones was and
is the right man
1373
01:23:21,554 --> 01:23:23,590
in the right place
at the right time.
1374
01:23:25,075 --> 01:23:26,075
Phil Jones.
1375
01:23:27,249 --> 01:23:29,182
- Phil Jones.
- Phil Jones.
1376
01:23:32,047 --> 01:23:34,636
All the other reports
reached the same conclusion.
1377
01:23:35,809 --> 01:23:38,916
There were seven, in
total, by the end.
1378
01:23:41,505 --> 01:23:43,783
Even one that no one knew about,
1379
01:23:43,817 --> 01:23:47,442
the United States Environmental
Protection Agency?
1380
01:23:49,478 --> 01:23:51,342
A manufactured controversy.
1381
01:23:53,103 --> 01:23:54,449
That's what they called it.
1382
01:23:59,523 --> 01:24:01,076
For us though, it
didn't feel like
1383
01:24:01,111 --> 01:24:02,767
we could even begin to move on
1384
01:24:02,802 --> 01:24:06,840
until two years later
when this big project
1385
01:24:06,875 --> 01:24:08,911
in California happened.
1386
01:24:08,946 --> 01:24:10,603
Berkeley Earth, it was called,
1387
01:24:10,637 --> 01:24:13,709
set up to prove
Philip's work was wrong.
1388
01:24:15,297 --> 01:24:17,541
Anyway,
1389
01:24:17,575 --> 01:24:20,475
they took all the data.
1390
01:24:20,509 --> 01:24:22,166
CRU had used
1391
01:24:22,201 --> 01:24:24,065
and started from scratch.
1392
01:24:26,308 --> 01:24:31,279
With some known skeptics on the
team too, even Steve Mosher,
1393
01:24:32,418 --> 01:24:34,351
the man who first picked
out those extracts.
1394
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:38,009
The Trick, Hide the Decline.
1395
01:24:39,149 --> 01:24:40,149
Even him.
1396
01:24:41,599 --> 01:24:43,360
And what do you know?
1397
01:24:46,087 --> 01:24:48,365
Came up with the same
results as Philip.
1398
01:24:51,747 --> 01:24:53,439
The same results.
1399
01:25:55,397 --> 01:25:56,397
Phil.
1400
01:25:57,710 --> 01:25:58,711
- It's.
- Sam.
1401
01:25:59,953 --> 01:26:01,162
I remember.
1402
01:26:04,717 --> 01:26:05,890
How are you?
1403
01:26:07,927 --> 01:26:09,204
I'm very good.
1404
01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:10,516
- Yes, good, good.
- Yeah.
1405
01:26:11,586 --> 01:26:13,035
Oh, this is me.
1406
01:26:15,866 --> 01:26:16,660
Good to see you.
1407
01:26:16,694 --> 01:26:18,524
And you, Sam, yeah.
1408
01:26:18,558 --> 01:26:22,562
- Yeah, take care.
- Yeah, and you.
1409
01:26:58,184 --> 01:27:01,222
Everything that happened
back then, the hacking,
1410
01:27:02,430 --> 01:27:05,640
other campaigns, it had
a significant effect
1411
01:27:05,674 --> 01:27:06,848
on public opinion.
1412
01:27:08,021 --> 01:27:09,471
Cost us between
eight to 10 years,
1413
01:27:09,506 --> 01:27:11,266
according to some studies.
1414
01:27:11,301 --> 01:27:14,027
A decade, so, yes,
1415
01:27:14,062 --> 01:27:16,754
we could have had 20
years to sort this out,
1416
01:27:16,789 --> 01:27:19,136
but now, we've
only got around 10.
1417
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:21,310
If that.
1418
01:27:22,795 --> 01:27:25,832
And who's pushing
hardest for action?
1419
01:27:25,867 --> 01:27:28,076
The children, people Lily's age,
1420
01:27:28,939 --> 01:27:30,768
which does give me some hope.
1421
01:27:33,875 --> 01:27:35,428
They understand, you see,
1422
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:37,879
what needs to be done.
1423
01:27:39,398 --> 01:27:40,744
And who knows?
1424
01:27:40,778 --> 01:27:43,436
If it only took one generation
to break the planet,
1425
01:27:43,471 --> 01:27:45,438
why can't it take
just one to fix it?
1426
01:27:48,476 --> 01:27:50,098
I know we should have more time,
1427
01:27:51,272 --> 01:27:53,204
but at least we do
still have time.
1428
01:27:56,622 --> 01:27:57,622
Just.
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