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Narrator: Previously on...
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- "Dateline" is here?
- Wow.
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Will you dig up
something on Pam Hupp?
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There's no direct evidence here
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that connects her to the crime.
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Well, it looks like we're facing
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a home court
advantage here, Russ.
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Did you guys ever
find that letter
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about Russ putting a
pillow over her face?
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- Luminol photos were taken.
- We found blood in the kitchen.
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We the jury find Russell Faria
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guilty of murder in
the first degree.
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I'm not gonna quit
until he's free.
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I set up a trust
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for the daughters
of Betsy Faria.
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I'd like to transfer the balance
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to my personal checking.
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[laid back music]
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Narrator: No one knows a mother
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like her daughter.
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Go ahead, Grandma, make a wish.
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?
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Narrator: A very, shall we say,
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special relationship.
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?
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- Yay.
- Yay!
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?
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Gotta get you back
to Autumndale.
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Already late meeting
the plumber at our flip.
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Oh, I can take Grandma back.
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I don't want to go with you.
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It's fine. I'll take her.
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Your mom's just protecting
her spot in my will.
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Narrator: When does money
become an obsession?
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[Foreigner's "Feels
like the First Time"]
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By 1977, Pam had grown up poor,
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but she was popular.
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She was on the pom-pom squad.
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So, Pam,
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you gonna give it
up to Randy tonight?
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I'm saving myself.
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Randy's gotta wait till
after I go to Mizzou,
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get my teaching degree.
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Man, if he doesn't
look good in that suit.
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?
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Aren't you supposed
to stay inside,
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with the other teachers?
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That Gunderson boy
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better have you
home by 11:00, Pam,
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and no fooling around.
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Don't worry, Mrs. Neumann.
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Pam was just saying she's
waiting till marriage.
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- After Mizzou.
- [laughs]
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Pam doesn't got the
brains for Mizzou.
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And I'm not so sure she has
anything left to save, honey.
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This one is very sneaky.
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Narrator: Was Pam born
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with a certain nature?
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He brain wired a certain way?
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?
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Don't you walk away from me.
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Why don't you have
another drink, Mom?
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Narrator: And if
biology loaded the gun,
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so to speak,
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did upbringing fire it?
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I will cut you out
of my will, Pam.
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? And I know that it must
be the woman in you ?
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? That brings out
the man in me ?
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? Feels like the first time
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? It feels like the
very first time ?
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? And it feels like
the first time ?
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[sobbing]
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Did you wet yourself?
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[sobbing continues]
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What did I tell
you last time? Hmm?
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Mm.
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[exhales]
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- You're done.
- [crying softly]
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Hm.
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And if you even try
to take those off,
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it'll be worse
for you, trust me.
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I should be the one crying.
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You owe me, little girl.
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But you got any money?
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No.
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You're broke.
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Rand, we're out of milk.
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I need some grocery money.
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I'm watching the game.
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Come on.
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Little late, isn't it, Pam?
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I'll go with you.
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Mom.
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Mom, you're tired.
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You want me to bring
you back some gin, yeah?
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- Okay, all right.
- All right.
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Mm-hmm.
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[sighs]
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- Rand.
- Hmm?
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Money.
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Thanks for getting milk.
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You are a good mom.
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Good moms don't run out of milk.
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You were always out of milk.
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You were always
out of everything.
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'Cause we were poor, dumb-ass.
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Why are you here if you're
just gonna insult me?
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Somebody has to
keep an eye on you,
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for Sarah's sake.
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Oh.
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So does that mean you don't
disown my daughter after all?
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No, she's still a bastard.
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We got married
before she was born.
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Sarah is not a bastard.
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She's not my family.
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That's for sure.
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You're going to
get milk or what?
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[TV chatter]
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[door shuts] [chuckles]
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Or what?
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[upbeat rock music]
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?
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Gin and tonic for you.
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?
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- Uh, no.
- So AAA is the last stop
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before the pros.
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It's got nothing to do with
the automobile association.
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?
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I'm headed to play in Florida.
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?
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? I'm, I'm truly
a travelin' man ?
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? Consider me saved
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? I'm a 20th century boy
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? In a 21st century world
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? Got my big double
space boots on ?
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? Now I'm on my way
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?
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[clears throat]
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Another G&T for me.
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And a beer for AAA over here.
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?
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Hi.
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[door handle rattling]
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Florida, huh?
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That's the plan, yeah.
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AAA two to three years,
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and off to the big leagues.
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I like a guy with a plan.
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? Another rock and
roll superstar ?
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And Florida's real humid, right?
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[both chuckle]
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My mom hates humidity.
Frazzles her hair.
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?
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So when do we leave?
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?
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[slurping]
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[chuckles]
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[slurping]
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Great form, Mrs. Fitzgerald.
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[yawns]
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- Hmm?
- Yeah.
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Mrs. Fitzgerald baked
these for helping out.
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Isn't that nice?
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Her gout's spread like crazy.
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She doesn't have
any family around.
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I'm sure you'll take
good care of her.
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Mm-hmm.
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[slurping]
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Hey, may I have some
money for a beer?
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Hmm? Mm, no.
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No more spending today.
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Mm-mm.
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I am not buying you
another bathing suit.
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That one barely fits.
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When I was your age,
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I had to wear pedal
pushers to the pool.
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Know why?
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Your grandma beat
me with a belt.
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You think I ever
got any cookies?
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Hmm.
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You and baby Travis don't know
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how lucky you are to be mine.
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Far, far away from
mean, old Grandma.
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? Spin me around
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Can I come with
you to the house?
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Scott and I have been
thinking about flipping, too.
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Scott. What's he know?
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He got his real estate license.
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Anyone can study up.
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It doesn't mean
you got the knack.
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Actually, Scott found this
perfect foreclosure on Derby.
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You guys don't have the
bankroll for this game,
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and I don't want to
see you make a mistake
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that I gotta fix.
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You owe me 15.72
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with the fries.
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How come Travis
doesn't have to pay?
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I do other things.
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He does.
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Sarah, your mom is always
gonna make you pay.
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Grandma, I'm over here.
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When she was just
a little bitch,
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Pam stole candy
from a corner store
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and hid it under the bed,
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and she lied to her dad,
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said that I was the
one who stole it.
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Who do you think he believed?
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And she still steals from me.
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?
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Grandma's lying.
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Her brain is mush.
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Let's do cake.
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Narrator: Mothers and daughters,
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a bond that can't be severed.
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.
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- [doorbell rings]
- [groans]
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Okay, okay.
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- Hello?
- It's Cathy from "Dateline."
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Narrator: It had
been almost two years
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since Russ' conviction,
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and Pam had rested
on her laurels.
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Hi.
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Sorry to just show up,
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but you stopped
answering my texts.
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Oh, well, first,
nice to meet ya.
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And I told ya, I'm
a private person.
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I know. But with Joel
pushing for a retrial,
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you should really think about
telling your side of the story.
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A retrial... who said that?
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- Just what I heard.
- Uh-huh.
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Kay. Um, well, have a good one.
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You might want to send
a new photo, at least.
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[phone buzzes]
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Ick.
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Ironically, it was Pam
that got the ball rolling.
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You mean, I could get out?
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That's what we're saying.
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Lily and Mariah filed a
civil suit against Pam
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for the insurance money.
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So I was able to use
some of the material
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from Pam's civil deposition
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as evidence in support of a
thing called a Mooney motion.
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Super longshot. And it worked.
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Now, this motion got us
a hearing before a judge.
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And he agreed to
grant you a new trial.
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Russ, this is a good thing.
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I know. Thanks, but
they're a bunch of cheats.
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I've already been in here
three years because of them.
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What if they just
tear me down again
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- and I wind up back here, and...
- No, no, no.
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Everything is gonna be
different this time, Russ.
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This motion guarantees that
we'll be able to bring in
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all the evidence
implicating Pam Hupp.
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Now, we'd like to
request a bench trial.
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That is, one judge,
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not an uninformed group
like we had last time.
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- Just a judge?
- Just one judge.
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- Is that risky?
- Yeah, it's different.
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Normally, we only have to
convince one juror out of 12.
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Now, those odds didn't exactly
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work in our favor last time,
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but this time, you'll
get a new judge,
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a fair one.
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That's all we need, and
we can win this thing.
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But it's up to you.
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We don't want to do anything
without your say-so.
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[gentle hopeful music]
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If you think it's better...
269
00:11:48,908 --> 00:11:50,866
?
270
00:11:50,909 --> 00:11:53,259
Let's go for it.
271
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I trust you.
272
00:11:54,476 --> 00:11:58,567
?
273
00:11:58,607 --> 00:12:00,566
[knocking on door]
274
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Mrs. Hupp is...
275
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It's fine. It's fine.
276
00:12:04,174 --> 00:12:06,437
You said it would
take five or six years
277
00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,003
for an appeal.
278
00:12:08,045 --> 00:12:11,919
- What's this about retrial?
- Uh...
279
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It's the most ridiculous thing.
280
00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,572
My ten-year-old could
file something better.
281
00:12:16,614 --> 00:12:17,920
A Mooney motion.
282
00:12:17,962 --> 00:12:19,921
- Money motion?
- Mooney.
283
00:12:19,962 --> 00:12:21,529
I could show you
my bank statement.
284
00:12:21,573 --> 00:12:23,115
- It's Mooney.
- The money's still there.
285
00:12:23,138 --> 00:12:24,290
- I'm not the kind of person...
- Right, it's...
286
00:12:24,313 --> 00:12:25,836
Who goes out and
just blows money.
287
00:12:25,878 --> 00:12:26,986
- No, I know.
- Not me. Never has been me.
288
00:12:27,009 --> 00:12:28,116
- Of course.
- I went to college.
289
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You know, top of my class.
290
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- I didn't need that money.
- Right.
291
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And if he's such a great lawyer,
292
00:12:33,142 --> 00:12:35,188
and he charges what he charges,
293
00:12:35,229 --> 00:12:37,406
he's gonna crack
this whole thing open
294
00:12:37,448 --> 00:12:38,623
based on a deposition?
295
00:12:38,666 --> 00:12:40,015
What deposition?
296
00:12:40,056 --> 00:12:43,886
The one for the girls'
lawsuit against you.
297
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Because of what you said.
298
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[slurping]
299
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Are you okay?
300
00:13:01,761 --> 00:13:06,286
I'm fine.
301
00:13:06,329 --> 00:13:08,592
Joel's just using your testimony
302
00:13:08,632 --> 00:13:14,537
to say that the only reason
that you opened the trust
303
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is because you felt
pressured by the cops or me?
304
00:13:17,984 --> 00:13:21,597
No. That is not true.
305
00:13:21,637 --> 00:13:26,076
That is ridiculousness.
306
00:13:26,118 --> 00:13:29,600
I know it's not...
It's ridiculousness.
307
00:13:29,641 --> 00:13:30,990
So you never said that.
308
00:13:31,032 --> 00:13:36,160
- Are you saying that...
- That this is my fault?
309
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No.
310
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Not at all.
311
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Just that Schwartz is using...
312
00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,954
Schwartz is doing
that one-sided BS.
313
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But we will have to prep,
314
00:13:49,039 --> 00:13:51,041
so I'm gonna have Tina
schedule some time.
315
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Dream team.
316
00:13:52,867 --> 00:13:55,478
[quietly] Right.
317
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[light plucky music]
318
00:13:58,477 --> 00:14:00,392
[chuckles softly]
319
00:14:00,435 --> 00:14:03,263
Let me help you with
the door. There you go.
320
00:14:03,306 --> 00:14:04,612
Thanks, Pam.
321
00:14:04,653 --> 00:14:07,787
Bye.
322
00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:10,571
Tina, um,
323
00:14:10,613 --> 00:14:12,092
do you understand Facebook?
324
00:14:12,135 --> 00:14:14,790
Because I made a campaign
account for my reelection,
325
00:14:14,831 --> 00:14:19,009
but am I a page? Am I
a person? What am I?
326
00:14:19,050 --> 00:14:21,705
I don't know, but I was
actually just going over
327
00:14:21,747 --> 00:14:23,096
the original evidence list,
328
00:14:23,138 --> 00:14:25,053
and it seems like there
are a few items on here
329
00:14:25,095 --> 00:14:28,403
that weren't filed correctly
the first time around,
330
00:14:28,445 --> 00:14:30,708
- or never even tested.
- Hmm.
331
00:14:30,749 --> 00:14:31,837
Should I test them now?
332
00:14:31,881 --> 00:14:33,622
Yeah. Test everything.
333
00:14:33,664 --> 00:14:36,319
Against Russ and anyone else?
334
00:14:36,361 --> 00:14:39,233
Why would we test
against anyone but Russ?
335
00:14:39,275 --> 00:14:42,191
So we can, I don't know, be
on the right side of things.
336
00:14:42,232 --> 00:14:45,148
- We are on the right side.
- We won.
337
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:46,974
Seems like I knew
what I was doing then.
338
00:14:47,017 --> 00:14:48,889
Why would we change tactics now?
339
00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:52,934
?
340
00:14:52,976 --> 00:14:54,238
She was just weird.
341
00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:56,238
It was like she was
blaming me or something.
342
00:14:56,281 --> 00:14:58,893
It's not my fault
that Betsy's girls
343
00:14:58,934 --> 00:15:00,196
made me talk to their lawyer.
344
00:15:00,239 --> 00:15:02,284
She's the DA. It's her
job to put Russ away
345
00:15:02,326 --> 00:15:04,937
and keep him there. Her job.
346
00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:06,373
Hey.
347
00:15:06,415 --> 00:15:10,201
We're behind on
the mortgage and...
348
00:15:10,243 --> 00:15:13,159
That's all that's left
of Betsy's insurance.
349
00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,073
And it's... it's sentimental.
350
00:15:16,114 --> 00:15:18,334
She would want me to
save it for a rainy day.
351
00:15:18,377 --> 00:15:20,161
Plus, people are late
on bills all the time.
352
00:15:20,202 --> 00:15:22,596
Nothing ever happens.
353
00:15:22,638 --> 00:15:24,030
We gotta think bigger.
354
00:15:24,074 --> 00:15:26,163
Is now the time
for bigger, though?
355
00:15:26,205 --> 00:15:28,991
It's the time for big swings.
356
00:15:29,031 --> 00:15:30,729
Russ is getting a retrial,
357
00:15:30,772 --> 00:15:32,339
and "Dateline" is up my ass.
358
00:15:32,382 --> 00:15:35,515
- Well, reporters are rats.
- Yeah, they are.
359
00:15:35,556 --> 00:15:37,185
You know what my mom
used to do with rats?
360
00:15:37,208 --> 00:15:39,297
She liked that poison
that killed them slow.
361
00:15:39,341 --> 00:15:40,951
I like the kind with zinc.
362
00:15:40,994 --> 00:15:42,474
[loud bang] It makes 'em pop
363
00:15:42,515 --> 00:15:43,560
right from the get-go,
364
00:15:43,602 --> 00:15:45,822
you know? [Laughs]
365
00:15:45,864 --> 00:15:48,345
Well, my mama always said
366
00:15:48,388 --> 00:15:50,912
to make sure they got
nothing to feed on.
367
00:15:50,953 --> 00:15:53,913
[sinister music]
368
00:15:53,954 --> 00:15:57,175
?
369
00:15:57,216 --> 00:15:59,654
You are so right.
370
00:15:59,695 --> 00:16:01,175
Huh.
371
00:16:01,217 --> 00:16:06,777
If Russ never gets out,
372
00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:09,788
there's no story.
373
00:16:09,830 --> 00:16:11,484
No "Dateline."
374
00:16:11,526 --> 00:16:12,962
Narrator: No "Dateline."
375
00:16:13,005 --> 00:16:15,050
Hmm. We'll see.
376
00:16:17,659 --> 00:16:17,833
.
377
00:16:17,876 --> 00:16:20,139
Would you scootch back
a bit for me, please?
378
00:16:20,182 --> 00:16:21,594
We're gonna try and
get a shot of you
379
00:16:21,617 --> 00:16:23,967
through the doorway, like this.
380
00:16:24,009 --> 00:16:25,314
Oh, boy.
381
00:16:25,357 --> 00:16:26,967
There's no need to be nervous.
382
00:16:27,010 --> 00:16:28,881
We're not here to
interrogate you.
383
00:16:28,924 --> 00:16:30,447
It's okay.
384
00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:33,144
I know what you're here for.
385
00:16:33,187 --> 00:16:34,971
I'm here to report the facts.
386
00:16:35,013 --> 00:16:36,449
You're gonna say that the facts
387
00:16:36,493 --> 00:16:39,321
don't point to Russ, right?
388
00:16:39,363 --> 00:16:42,453
- [sighs]
- There are certain facts
389
00:16:42,494 --> 00:16:44,931
that call into
question that theory.
390
00:16:44,972 --> 00:16:47,061
And it's my responsibility
to report those too.
391
00:16:47,105 --> 00:16:51,283
You mean some people
saying it's Pam Hupp?
392
00:16:51,323 --> 00:16:54,239
I know what some folks think,
393
00:16:54,281 --> 00:16:57,153
and I can only guess what
they're saying about me.
394
00:16:57,195 --> 00:16:59,153
But Pam was there
395
00:16:59,195 --> 00:17:01,458
for the family and the police.
396
00:17:01,501 --> 00:17:03,981
She was their star witness.
397
00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:06,243
So how could that be
398
00:17:06,285 --> 00:17:10,158
if she were the guilty one?
399
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,462
Pam, it's great
400
00:17:11,505 --> 00:17:13,221
that you wanted to come
back in and help us,
401
00:17:13,243 --> 00:17:18,501
but a lot of this we know
from the first time around.
402
00:17:18,551 --> 00:17:23,334
Did you know that Betsy
had an inverted nipple?
403
00:17:23,378 --> 00:17:25,467
No, I didn't.
404
00:17:26,597 --> 00:17:28,860
Well, I told her it
was a sign of cancer,
405
00:17:28,901 --> 00:17:31,730
and it sure was.
406
00:17:31,773 --> 00:17:33,557
I mean,
407
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,430
we just spent a whole
lot of time together,
408
00:17:37,470 --> 00:17:39,037
you know?
409
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,691
Um, and I did.
410
00:17:40,733 --> 00:17:46,379
I, uh, replaced what
a husband would be.
411
00:17:46,431 --> 00:17:47,823
[gasps]
412
00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:51,391
So you were filling voids
they had in their marriage.
413
00:17:51,432 --> 00:17:52,520
- Yeah.
- Uh-huh.
414
00:17:52,563 --> 00:17:54,783
And after that,
415
00:17:54,824 --> 00:18:00,038
I knew she had a
mad crush on me.
416
00:18:00,087 --> 00:18:03,177
I didn't know to what level.
417
00:18:03,219 --> 00:18:04,786
It didn't matter.
418
00:18:04,828 --> 00:18:08,441
I think that
happens with people.
419
00:18:08,482 --> 00:18:10,919
But I think because I
always had her back,
420
00:18:10,961 --> 00:18:12,484
she trusted me.
421
00:18:12,528 --> 00:18:16,227
She really, really,
422
00:18:16,266 --> 00:18:18,530
really loved me.
423
00:18:18,572 --> 00:18:23,657
And it just kept
growing from that.
424
00:18:23,705 --> 00:18:27,230
She wanted to be more.
425
00:18:27,271 --> 00:18:30,187
- Oh, you mean, like...
- Like, a sexual relationship?
426
00:18:30,229 --> 00:18:31,491
Yeah.
427
00:18:31,534 --> 00:18:33,536
But I said, "No, that's not me,"
428
00:18:33,578 --> 00:18:35,580
and all of that, nd
she got sort of mad.
429
00:18:35,623 --> 00:18:38,103
So over time...
430
00:18:38,145 --> 00:18:39,494
It didn't start out that way...
431
00:18:39,537 --> 00:18:43,671
But our relationship
became more.
432
00:18:43,712 --> 00:18:47,542
We were sexual together.
433
00:18:47,583 --> 00:18:48,715
Don't like girls.
434
00:18:48,757 --> 00:18:50,803
Never been attracted to girls.
435
00:18:50,845 --> 00:18:53,935
I'll go watch "Magic
Mike XL" right now.
436
00:18:53,977 --> 00:18:55,152
[chuckles]
437
00:18:55,194 --> 00:18:56,718
Love men.
438
00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,982
But sex isn't a big deal to me,
439
00:19:01,022 --> 00:19:05,505
so it was something
I sacrificed for her.
440
00:19:05,547 --> 00:19:08,158
Well, it's the caregiver in you.
441
00:19:08,199 --> 00:19:10,245
Exactly.
442
00:19:10,287 --> 00:19:12,638
And, uh, never
mentioned it before
443
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,030
because it's private,
444
00:19:15,071 --> 00:19:20,069
and, um, she was very
serious about nobody knows,
445
00:19:20,116 --> 00:19:21,224
'cause she was scared
what Russ would do,
446
00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:22,944
but he knew.
447
00:19:22,988 --> 00:19:24,511
He was jealous.
448
00:19:24,553 --> 00:19:26,946
Thought we were ripping
each other's clothes off
449
00:19:26,989 --> 00:19:28,077
all the time.
450
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,557
But it wasn't like that.
451
00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:31,905
We weren't lesbians.
452
00:19:31,947 --> 00:19:34,384
- Mm.
- We just had this
453
00:19:34,427 --> 00:19:36,777
sexual thing between us.
454
00:19:36,818 --> 00:19:37,925
Betsy getting that from you,
455
00:19:37,949 --> 00:19:40,909
that must have made
Russ really mad.
456
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:42,474
Big time.
457
00:19:42,516 --> 00:19:44,736
Russ and me got
physical over it.
458
00:19:44,777 --> 00:19:47,258
We were in the basement
playing softball
459
00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:49,041
when Russ comes home.
460
00:19:49,084 --> 00:19:52,435
He goes, "What the hell are
you two doing down here?"
461
00:19:52,477 --> 00:19:54,043
[loud crunching]
462
00:19:56,478 --> 00:19:58,784
"If I ever catch you two
463
00:19:58,827 --> 00:20:01,264
"muff thumpers together again,
464
00:20:01,305 --> 00:20:03,264
"I'll stab ya
465
00:20:03,306 --> 00:20:05,918
and bury ya out in the yard."
466
00:20:05,959 --> 00:20:09,267
?
467
00:20:09,309 --> 00:20:11,050
"Muff thumpers?"
468
00:20:11,092 --> 00:20:12,528
That's what he said.
469
00:20:13,701 --> 00:20:16,878
- Huh.
- Okay.
470
00:20:16,921 --> 00:20:18,400
Well, that's...
471
00:20:18,442 --> 00:20:19,835
Uh-huh.
472
00:20:19,877 --> 00:20:22,271
Thank you for coming
in and telling us that.
473
00:20:22,312 --> 00:20:24,227
That's... That's
on the record, so.
474
00:20:24,271 --> 00:20:25,446
We'll let you know
475
00:20:25,489 --> 00:20:27,578
- if we have any questions.
- That's fine.
476
00:20:27,619 --> 00:20:29,099
Thank you.
477
00:20:29,141 --> 00:20:31,535
Just doing my part.
478
00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:32,883
I'll walk you out.
479
00:20:32,927 --> 00:20:35,495
- Thank you, Detective.
- Thank you, Pam.
480
00:20:46,931 --> 00:20:50,282
[door closes]
481
00:20:50,323 --> 00:20:53,239
We're gonna need to rethink.
482
00:20:53,281 --> 00:20:55,762
I agree.
483
00:20:55,804 --> 00:20:58,241
[sighs] It's about time we
move away from her lies.
484
00:20:58,283 --> 00:21:03,238
She's not lying. She just
keeps changing her story.
485
00:21:03,285 --> 00:21:05,548
And I know Schwartz's
whole case is gonna be
486
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:07,330
making Pam look guilty,
487
00:21:07,374 --> 00:21:09,724
and with this new muff stuff,
488
00:21:09,765 --> 00:21:12,637
it just could be
distracting in court.
489
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,420
Especially since
she didn't mention
490
00:21:14,463 --> 00:21:15,899
any of it in the first trial.
491
00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:18,205
Well, she was probably scared.
492
00:21:18,246 --> 00:21:19,421
And then look what happened.
493
00:21:19,464 --> 00:21:22,075
Russ killed Betsy.
494
00:21:22,118 --> 00:21:26,252
We can't too much on
Pam this time around.
495
00:21:26,293 --> 00:21:27,729
We need more hard evidence.
496
00:21:27,772 --> 00:21:30,949
Well, back in 2011,
497
00:21:30,991 --> 00:21:34,517
Pam mentions an email
that Betsy had written her
498
00:21:34,557 --> 00:21:37,691
but not sent.
499
00:21:37,732 --> 00:21:41,562
She said it was a document
on Betsy's computer.
500
00:21:41,604 --> 00:21:44,084
But it details how she
was afraid of Russ,
501
00:21:44,126 --> 00:21:46,563
how he would hold a
pillow over her face,
502
00:21:46,605 --> 00:21:49,346
but no one ever looked for it.
503
00:21:49,388 --> 00:21:51,129
Why?
504
00:21:51,171 --> 00:21:53,086
I don't know.
505
00:21:53,129 --> 00:21:54,783
Well, we need to
find the letter.
506
00:21:54,825 --> 00:21:56,740
Joel, listen to this.
507
00:21:56,783 --> 00:21:59,829
"I woke up to Russ holding
a pillow over my face.
508
00:21:59,871 --> 00:22:01,109
"Didn't know what was going on.
509
00:22:01,133 --> 00:22:02,502
"I broke loose and
started to scream at him,
510
00:22:02,524 --> 00:22:03,829
"asking what he was doing.
511
00:22:03,872 --> 00:22:05,197
"He was said that
he wanted me to know
512
00:22:05,221 --> 00:22:09,051
what dying feels like."
513
00:22:09,091 --> 00:22:10,571
Sounds Huppity.
514
00:22:10,615 --> 00:22:12,573
That was just sent over
from the DA's office.
515
00:22:12,615 --> 00:22:15,574
[ominous music]
516
00:22:15,616 --> 00:22:21,778
?
517
00:22:21,835 --> 00:22:23,378
Remember the Medical
Examiner's report
518
00:22:23,401 --> 00:22:26,535
said that there was bruising
around Betsy's neck?
519
00:22:26,576 --> 00:22:28,404
If Pam wrote this letter
before the murder...
520
00:22:28,446 --> 00:22:29,665
She would be setting up
521
00:22:29,709 --> 00:22:32,189
that Betsy was gonna
be suffocated by Russ.
522
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:34,275
And that was found
on Betsy's computer,
523
00:22:34,318 --> 00:22:35,580
just like Pam it would.
524
00:22:35,623 --> 00:22:36,580
It's weird that they sent over
525
00:22:36,624 --> 00:22:38,756
a little piece of paper.
526
00:22:38,798 --> 00:22:40,103
We need the computer.
527
00:22:40,146 --> 00:22:43,105
We need the original
data file analyzed.
528
00:22:43,147 --> 00:22:49,180
?
529
00:22:49,236 --> 00:22:50,343
Hey, Greg. Joel Schwartz here.
530
00:22:50,367 --> 00:22:52,065
I got a rush job for you.
531
00:22:52,106 --> 00:22:54,065
[bird cawing]
532
00:22:54,108 --> 00:22:56,676
[knocking on door]
533
00:22:56,718 --> 00:22:57,936
Front desk says
534
00:22:57,979 --> 00:23:00,808
nobody's changed your
diaper in two days.
535
00:23:00,850 --> 00:23:05,891
I cannot come running every
time you crap yourself, Mom.
536
00:23:05,938 --> 00:23:09,507
Well, this is what you wanted.
537
00:23:09,548 --> 00:23:12,159
I can't do anything without you.
538
00:23:20,335 --> 00:23:21,597
Come on.
539
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,945
Mm-hmm.
540
00:23:22,988 --> 00:23:25,468
- All right, come on.
- What? No, what?
541
00:23:25,511 --> 00:23:28,253
Damn it! Where are my glasses?
542
00:23:28,294 --> 00:23:29,600
I know you took 'em.
543
00:23:29,644 --> 00:23:30,949
You take all my things.
544
00:23:30,991 --> 00:23:33,471
I don't know how I raised
such a fat little thief.
545
00:23:33,514 --> 00:23:38,211
I did not take your things.
546
00:23:38,255 --> 00:23:40,649
You should be nicer to me.
547
00:23:40,690 --> 00:23:42,562
Why should I be nice
548
00:23:42,604 --> 00:23:44,954
to a girl who
marries a Gunderson?
549
00:23:44,997 --> 00:23:48,130
I'm married to Mark now, Mom.
550
00:23:48,171 --> 00:23:50,608
Mark. Mark.
551
00:23:50,651 --> 00:23:53,479
Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark.
552
00:23:53,521 --> 00:23:57,351
But you made a little Gunderson.
553
00:23:57,392 --> 00:24:00,221
And she's still got you beat.
554
00:24:00,263 --> 00:24:04,136
Sarah is a teacher.
555
00:24:04,177 --> 00:24:07,267
And you're what?
556
00:24:07,308 --> 00:24:09,615
On disability or something?
557
00:24:09,658 --> 00:24:11,616
I make a nice living
558
00:24:11,658 --> 00:24:13,094
with my real estate business.
559
00:24:13,137 --> 00:24:16,401
Well, just go flip
your dang houses,
560
00:24:16,442 --> 00:24:19,097
before Sarah takes that too.
561
00:24:19,139 --> 00:24:21,489
Narrator: When a
parent hurts a child,
562
00:24:21,532 --> 00:24:23,316
does that hurt get passed on
563
00:24:23,358 --> 00:24:25,752
like a grim inheritance?
564
00:24:25,793 --> 00:24:27,621
All right, ladies and gentlemen,
565
00:24:27,664 --> 00:24:30,014
the next house on
the auction block:
566
00:24:30,056 --> 00:24:30,970
Derby Street.
567
00:24:31,013 --> 00:24:32,405
It is a beautiful little house
568
00:24:32,448 --> 00:24:34,232
with two bedrooms, a bathroom,
569
00:24:34,275 --> 00:24:36,016
and a wonderful
little kitchenette.
570
00:24:36,058 --> 00:24:38,278
[auctioneering]
571
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,322
Wonderful opportunity
for a smart buyer.
572
00:24:40,364 --> 00:24:42,758
85, the woman in blue.
573
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:46,150
Going once, going twice.
574
00:24:46,192 --> 00:24:48,716
95, the woman in pink.
575
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:51,152
Pam, what are you doing?
576
00:24:51,194 --> 00:24:53,215
I don't think the lender's
gonna give us another loan.
577
00:24:53,238 --> 00:24:55,327
- Shh.
- We shouldn't even be here.
578
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:57,894
You really gonna let this go?
579
00:24:57,936 --> 00:25:00,329
Do we have enough money?
580
00:25:00,371 --> 00:25:01,851
Bow out, Sarah.
581
00:25:01,893 --> 00:25:04,679
It's only gonna get
worse for ya, trust me.
582
00:25:04,721 --> 00:25:07,768
Okay, going once, going twice.
583
00:25:07,809 --> 00:25:09,637
Sold to the woman in pink.
584
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,030
Narrator: Pam wins again.
585
00:25:12,071 --> 00:25:13,812
For now.
586
00:25:13,855 --> 00:25:16,379
But could she do it once
more in a court of law?
587
00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:18,205
- Oh, boy.
- Mrs. Hupp.
588
00:25:18,247 --> 00:25:20,206
Why did Betsy make
you the beneficiary?
589
00:25:20,248 --> 00:25:21,685
- Pam.
- Pam!
590
00:25:21,727 --> 00:25:23,511
Any comments?
591
00:25:23,553 --> 00:25:26,164
Mr. Hupp, anything?
592
00:25:26,208 --> 00:25:28,471
Any comment at all?
593
00:25:28,511 --> 00:25:30,209
Anything at all today?
594
00:25:30,251 --> 00:25:33,124
Do you have any comment?
595
00:25:35,037 --> 00:25:36,536
- What's that?
- Someone from the DA's office
596
00:25:36,558 --> 00:25:39,082
sent those over
to me anonymously.
597
00:25:39,125 --> 00:25:40,866
And they change
everything for us, Russ.
598
00:25:40,908 --> 00:25:43,519
- What is it?
- Luminol photos.
599
00:25:43,561 --> 00:25:46,303
That's right, perfect pictures.
No camera malfunctions.
600
00:25:46,344 --> 00:25:47,650
- And...
- Wait for it.
601
00:25:47,693 --> 00:25:49,912
No signs of blood, no
evidence of a cleanup,
602
00:25:49,955 --> 00:25:52,087
- which means the police lied.
- Ha!
603
00:25:52,129 --> 00:25:55,132
[suspenseful music]
604
00:25:55,174 --> 00:25:56,872
?
605
00:25:56,914 --> 00:26:00,178
Hey.
606
00:26:00,220 --> 00:26:01,874
I can't promise you
we're gonna win.
607
00:26:01,915 --> 00:26:03,066
I think we learned
that last time around.
608
00:26:03,090 --> 00:26:04,962
But I can promise you
609
00:26:05,004 --> 00:26:07,224
that these give us
a much better shot.
610
00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:09,486
I've thought about
you and this case
611
00:26:09,527 --> 00:26:11,138
every damn day since
the last trial,
612
00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:14,096
and I am gonna fight like
hell for you out there, Russ.
613
00:26:14,138 --> 00:26:16,575
I appreciate that.
614
00:26:23,184 --> 00:26:28,356
Mrs. Askey, you may proceed.
615
00:26:28,404 --> 00:26:29,144
[clears throat]
616
00:26:29,186 --> 00:26:35,607
[ominous music]
617
00:26:35,667 --> 00:26:38,365
"My name is Russell Faria.
618
00:26:38,408 --> 00:26:40,671
"I just got home from
my friend's house,
619
00:26:40,713 --> 00:26:43,280
and my wife killed herself."
620
00:26:43,322 --> 00:26:47,543
That's what the defendant
said on his 911 phone call.
621
00:26:47,585 --> 00:26:49,674
But that was a lie.
622
00:26:49,716 --> 00:26:52,370
The first of many.
623
00:26:52,413 --> 00:26:55,459
Betsy Faria did
not kill herself.
624
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:57,371
She was murdered.
625
00:26:57,414 --> 00:27:00,678
And the state will show
that the only person
626
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,460
with the means,
motive, and opportunity
627
00:27:05,504 --> 00:27:08,072
was Russell Faria.
628
00:27:08,114 --> 00:27:11,552
?
629
00:27:11,593 --> 00:27:13,856
Judge, our case will
be based on evidence,
630
00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:15,204
not theories.
631
00:27:15,247 --> 00:27:17,205
And the evidence
will clearly show
632
00:27:17,248 --> 00:27:19,598
that Russell Faria did
not murder his wife.
633
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,424
The person who
murdered Betsy Faria
634
00:27:21,466 --> 00:27:23,686
was the last person
to see her alive,
635
00:27:23,728 --> 00:27:26,774
was the person who got
the insurance payout,
636
00:27:26,816 --> 00:27:28,774
and the person who
has consistently lied
637
00:27:28,817 --> 00:27:31,602
about every single
detail of this case.
638
00:27:31,645 --> 00:27:34,560
[sinsister music]
639
00:27:34,602 --> 00:27:41,565
?
640
00:27:46,823 --> 00:27:48,738
Detective McCarrick?
641
00:27:48,781 --> 00:27:52,350
?
642
00:27:52,391 --> 00:27:53,697
Detective McCarrick,
643
00:27:53,739 --> 00:27:56,089
nobody followed up
with Pam Hupp's husband
644
00:27:56,131 --> 00:27:58,699
to do an actual
interview with him alone.
645
00:27:58,741 --> 00:27:59,872
No.
646
00:27:59,916 --> 00:28:01,395
Nobody bothered to
seize his phone,
647
00:28:01,438 --> 00:28:03,701
to verify when Pam's
message was left?
648
00:28:03,743 --> 00:28:06,397
- No.
- Hmm.
649
00:28:06,439 --> 00:28:09,355
And nobody... nobody bothered
to check with the neighbors
650
00:28:09,397 --> 00:28:11,617
to see when she
might have got home.
651
00:28:11,659 --> 00:28:14,052
Not to my knowledge.
652
00:28:14,095 --> 00:28:16,184
Can anyone testify
where Pam Hupp was
653
00:28:16,225 --> 00:28:18,793
at the time of the murder?
654
00:28:18,835 --> 00:28:21,141
No.
655
00:28:21,184 --> 00:28:23,490
Were you aware that Pam
Hupp's financial situation
656
00:28:23,533 --> 00:28:25,274
was so dire at the
time of Betsy's murder
657
00:28:25,315 --> 00:28:27,230
that she was several
months behind
658
00:28:27,273 --> 00:28:31,016
on her COBRA payments
for her health insurance?
659
00:28:31,057 --> 00:28:32,015
I was not.
660
00:28:32,057 --> 00:28:36,018
?
661
00:28:36,059 --> 00:28:38,583
How much did Pam
gain when Betsy died?
662
00:28:38,625 --> 00:28:43,969
?
663
00:28:44,019 --> 00:28:46,064
$150,000.
664
00:28:46,107 --> 00:28:48,892
$150,000.
665
00:28:48,933 --> 00:28:51,457
No further questions.
666
00:28:51,499 --> 00:28:58,419
?
667
00:29:04,939 --> 00:29:06,462
Daniel Williams.
668
00:29:06,504 --> 00:29:12,106
?
669
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:14,292
"I need to change my
life insurance policy
670
00:29:14,333 --> 00:29:16,509
"out of his name, but
can't let him know
671
00:29:16,552 --> 00:29:19,511
"that I have taken him
off as beneficiary.
672
00:29:19,554 --> 00:29:21,034
"I need your help.
673
00:29:21,075 --> 00:29:23,208
"I am so tired from the cancer.
674
00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:27,904
"I am so afraid of staying
out in Troy alone with Russ.
675
00:29:27,948 --> 00:29:29,253
"If something happens to me,
676
00:29:29,296 --> 00:29:31,820
would you please show
this to the police?"
677
00:29:31,862 --> 00:29:33,907
And that was
addressed to Pam Hupp.
678
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:35,299
Correct.
679
00:29:35,342 --> 00:29:38,345
And as a member of the
Cybercrimes Task Force,
680
00:29:38,386 --> 00:29:43,384
it's your job to examine
all the digital evidence.
681
00:29:43,431 --> 00:29:47,566
Can you please tell the court
where you found this document?
682
00:29:47,607 --> 00:29:49,784
I found the pdoc on
Betsy Faria's computer,
683
00:29:49,825 --> 00:29:52,132
State's Exhibit 3.
684
00:29:52,173 --> 00:29:54,872
No future questions.
685
00:29:54,914 --> 00:30:00,818
?
686
00:30:00,873 --> 00:30:02,744
What's this letter?
687
00:30:02,786 --> 00:30:04,222
Don't worry about it.
688
00:30:04,265 --> 00:30:08,008
The defense would like to
call Detective Michael Merkel.
689
00:30:08,049 --> 00:30:09,485
After you took the
Luminol photos,
690
00:30:09,527 --> 00:30:11,094
you testified, back
in the first trial,
691
00:30:11,138 --> 00:30:14,489
that they showed
absolutely nothing,
692
00:30:14,530 --> 00:30:17,795
because of a malfunction
in the camera
693
00:30:17,836 --> 00:30:19,055
that has since been repaired.
694
00:30:19,096 --> 00:30:20,837
Is that correct?
695
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,926
So there were no photographs
that were developed that day.
696
00:30:23,968 --> 00:30:26,144
I don't believe so. No, sir.
697
00:30:26,186 --> 00:30:31,529
?
698
00:30:31,579 --> 00:30:34,277
I'd like to show you
what is marked as.
699
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,148
Defendant's Exhibit O.
700
00:30:36,190 --> 00:30:38,758
What you see?
701
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,410
It would be
702
00:30:40,451 --> 00:30:43,106
the Luminol photos
from the scene.
703
00:30:43,149 --> 00:30:45,020
- [whispering]
- Where did he get those?
704
00:30:45,063 --> 00:30:47,500
And do they show
absolutely nothing?
705
00:30:47,542 --> 00:30:49,196
No, sir.
706
00:30:49,238 --> 00:30:51,457
There's 130 of them there.
707
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:57,663
Pull one out. Any
one. At random.
708
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,112
What is that a picture of?
709
00:30:59,155 --> 00:31:00,591
Looks like a sink drain.
710
00:31:00,633 --> 00:31:03,549
- Is that absolutely nothing?
- No.
711
00:31:03,591 --> 00:31:06,159
Pull out another one. Any one.
712
00:31:06,201 --> 00:31:08,116
?
713
00:31:08,158 --> 00:31:10,203
- Now what's that?
- Floor tile.
714
00:31:10,246 --> 00:31:12,465
- Is that absolutely nothing?
- No, sir.
715
00:31:12,508 --> 00:31:14,118
So when you said
that the photographs
716
00:31:14,161 --> 00:31:15,640
contained absolutely nothing,
717
00:31:15,683 --> 00:31:18,120
you actually meant
nothing you wanted to see.
718
00:31:18,162 --> 00:31:19,772
- Objection.
- Sustained.
719
00:31:19,815 --> 00:31:22,165
You testified in 2013
that those photographs
720
00:31:22,207 --> 00:31:23,358
contained absolutely nothing,
721
00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:26,557
but today, you now
see 130 photographs
722
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,950
of absolutely something,
is that correct?
723
00:31:28,992 --> 00:31:31,559
- Yes, that's correct.
- Yes, so there's no evidence
724
00:31:31,602 --> 00:31:35,127
that Russ cleaned up any blood
in those photos, is there?
725
00:31:35,168 --> 00:31:36,647
- No.
- Thank you.
726
00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:38,126
No further questions.
727
00:31:38,169 --> 00:31:44,849
?
728
00:31:44,911 --> 00:31:47,957
The defense calls Greg Chatton.
729
00:31:47,999 --> 00:31:50,566
I work in digital forensics
for law enforcement matters.
730
00:31:50,608 --> 00:31:52,392
And you examined
the computer file
731
00:31:52,436 --> 00:31:54,786
the prosecution claims is
a letter from Betsy Faria?
732
00:31:54,827 --> 00:31:56,567
Yes, I validated the file
733
00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:59,221
and documented the date and
times the file was created.
734
00:31:59,263 --> 00:32:00,980
Can you explain to the
court what you found?
735
00:32:01,004 --> 00:32:03,615
Mrs. Faria was
running Windows 2003,
736
00:32:03,656 --> 00:32:05,833
and when a document is
created, she would be tagged
737
00:32:05,874 --> 00:32:08,311
within the metadata of
the file automatically.
738
00:32:08,354 --> 00:32:11,966
This is something that
the user cannot control.
739
00:32:12,008 --> 00:32:14,097
That's a lot.
740
00:32:14,138 --> 00:32:16,750
So who did the metadata say
741
00:32:16,791 --> 00:32:19,098
created the alleged letter?
742
00:32:19,141 --> 00:32:23,536
- It said "unknown."
- "Unknown"?
743
00:32:23,577 --> 00:32:25,797
Hmm. I wonder how that happened.
744
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:27,318
There are only two ways:
745
00:32:27,361 --> 00:32:29,493
Someone changed the
author to "unknown,"
746
00:32:29,536 --> 00:32:31,494
or the file was created
on another computer
747
00:32:31,537 --> 00:32:33,365
- and then copied over.
- I see.
748
00:32:33,406 --> 00:32:34,993
You found something else
interesting in the metadata.
749
00:32:35,016 --> 00:32:36,321
What was that?
750
00:32:36,365 --> 00:32:37,975
The metadata tagged
this document
751
00:32:38,018 --> 00:32:40,498
as being created in Word '97.
752
00:32:40,539 --> 00:32:42,715
Was Word '97 installed
on Betsy's computer?
753
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:43,977
No.
754
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:45,325
So it would be impossible
755
00:32:45,367 --> 00:32:46,847
for that document
to have been created
756
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:49,153
- on Betsy's computer.
- Yes.
757
00:32:49,195 --> 00:32:50,475
Which means it had to have been
758
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:52,111
copied over from a
different computer.
759
00:32:52,153 --> 00:32:53,372
That's correct.
760
00:32:53,413 --> 00:32:57,243
No further questions.
761
00:32:57,285 --> 00:32:59,026
[clears throat]
762
00:32:59,068 --> 00:33:01,810
The witness may step down.
763
00:33:01,853 --> 00:33:05,160
Are there any more
witnesses for the state?
764
00:33:05,201 --> 00:33:08,160
[suspenseful music]
765
00:33:08,202 --> 00:33:15,513
?
766
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,815
[whispering] Leah.
767
00:33:17,859 --> 00:33:19,774
Are you going to call Pam?
768
00:33:19,815 --> 00:33:22,775
[tense music]
769
00:33:22,815 --> 00:33:29,495
?
770
00:33:29,558 --> 00:33:31,995
The state rests, Your Honor.
771
00:33:32,037 --> 00:33:33,449
- [whispering]
- Why didn't they call Pam?
772
00:33:33,472 --> 00:33:34,995
If there's something
more damaging,
773
00:33:35,038 --> 00:33:37,257
we could discover it on cross.
774
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:38,910
We could finally nail her.
775
00:33:38,953 --> 00:33:40,606
Very well.
776
00:33:40,649 --> 00:33:42,607
Are there any more
witnesses for the defense?
777
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:49,569
?
778
00:33:57,220 --> 00:33:58,699
The defense rests, Your Honor.
779
00:33:58,742 --> 00:34:05,250
?
780
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:08,704
We don't need her
lies in this court.
781
00:34:08,746 --> 00:34:11,749
?
782
00:34:13,791 --> 00:34:13,965
.
783
00:34:14,008 --> 00:34:15,183
Please rise.
784
00:34:15,226 --> 00:34:18,142
[tense piano music]
785
00:34:18,184 --> 00:34:25,148
?
786
00:34:30,188 --> 00:34:35,834
There's no question this
was a brutal murder.
787
00:34:35,886 --> 00:34:37,801
And I'm sorry for the family
788
00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:42,454
who had to experience
such a horror.
789
00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:46,501
But the investigation of
this case by law enforcement
790
00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:48,022
is rather disturbing,
791
00:34:48,065 --> 00:34:49,544
and frankly,
792
00:34:49,587 --> 00:34:52,633
raised more questions
than answers.
793
00:34:52,675 --> 00:34:55,852
?
794
00:34:55,894 --> 00:34:58,853
Consequently, as to count one,
795
00:34:58,895 --> 00:35:00,897
murder in the first degree,
796
00:35:00,938 --> 00:35:02,592
court finds the defendant,
797
00:35:02,635 --> 00:35:05,290
Russell Scott Faria,
798
00:35:05,332 --> 00:35:06,637
not guilty.
799
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,856
- [gasps]
- Oh!
800
00:35:08,899 --> 00:35:12,990
As to count two,
armed criminal action,
801
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:16,555
the court finds the defendant,
Russell Scott Faria,
802
00:35:16,596 --> 00:35:19,294
not guilty.
803
00:35:19,337 --> 00:35:22,296
[hopeful music]
804
00:35:22,338 --> 00:35:29,214
?
805
00:35:51,609 --> 00:35:53,916
[sighs]
806
00:35:56,872 --> 00:36:02,603
[bottle pops] [crowd cheering]
807
00:36:02,657 --> 00:36:04,355
[laughter]
808
00:36:04,396 --> 00:36:07,312
[soft acoustic music]
809
00:36:07,354 --> 00:36:14,535
?
810
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:27,098
So Mom's killer just gets
to walk away and that's it?
811
00:36:27,144 --> 00:36:30,191
?
812
00:36:30,232 --> 00:36:31,625
Looks like it.
813
00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:35,541
?
814
00:36:35,582 --> 00:36:36,670
[elevator bell dings]
815
00:36:36,713 --> 00:36:39,672
[suspenseful music]
816
00:36:39,714 --> 00:36:45,316
?
817
00:36:45,368 --> 00:36:47,761
Leah blew it.
818
00:36:47,804 --> 00:36:51,112
All she had to do was
call me to the stand.
819
00:36:51,153 --> 00:36:52,851
Here she comes.
820
00:36:52,893 --> 00:36:56,636
[reporters clamoring]
821
00:36:56,676 --> 00:37:01,029
?
822
00:37:01,070 --> 00:37:02,332
[knocking on door]
823
00:37:02,375 --> 00:37:04,377
[sighs]
824
00:37:04,418 --> 00:37:08,379
Joel Schwartz is here.
825
00:37:08,419 --> 00:37:12,075
Thank you, Tina.
826
00:37:12,118 --> 00:37:13,423
How you doing, Leah?
827
00:37:13,466 --> 00:37:14,902
Just great, Joel.
828
00:37:14,944 --> 00:37:16,530
Look, I'm not sure you're
gonna want to do this,
829
00:37:16,554 --> 00:37:17,860
but we have a lot of research
830
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:19,251
that we are willing to share,
831
00:37:19,294 --> 00:37:23,515
if you decide to
reopen the Faria case.
832
00:37:23,556 --> 00:37:25,210
We had the right
guy, but thanks.
833
00:37:27,688 --> 00:37:28,883
- All right.
- Well, if you change your mind.
834
00:37:28,906 --> 00:37:30,647
Yeah, you'll be my first call.
835
00:37:30,689 --> 00:37:33,605
[dramatic music]
836
00:37:33,647 --> 00:37:40,714
?
837
00:37:40,779 --> 00:37:43,086
- Can I ask you a question?
- Of course.
838
00:37:43,129 --> 00:37:44,652
How do you like working for her?
839
00:37:44,694 --> 00:37:47,872
?
840
00:37:47,913 --> 00:37:49,132
I don't work for Leah.
841
00:37:49,174 --> 00:37:50,306
I work for the county.
842
00:37:50,348 --> 00:37:52,785
Doesn't matter whose
name's on the door.
843
00:37:52,828 --> 00:37:55,700
This town is lucky to have you.
844
00:37:55,742 --> 00:38:02,880
?
845
00:38:05,398 --> 00:38:10,224
[line ringing]
846
00:38:10,269 --> 00:38:11,792
Hi, this is DA Askey.
847
00:38:11,835 --> 00:38:13,881
I'd like the Sheriff's
Office to draw up
848
00:38:13,923 --> 00:38:17,231
a destruction of evidence order.
849
00:38:17,271 --> 00:38:20,579
Yes, all evidence related
to the Faria case.
850
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:25,575
That's items 1 through 214.
851
00:38:25,622 --> 00:38:27,189
Yep, and the evidence logs.
852
00:38:27,232 --> 00:38:28,755
Thank you.
853
00:38:28,797 --> 00:38:29,905
I still think there's
evidence out there
854
00:38:29,928 --> 00:38:31,277
I never received.
855
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,583
When I finally got the
cell tower triangulation,
856
00:38:33,625 --> 00:38:35,366
it showed that Pam had
not gotten more than,
857
00:38:35,408 --> 00:38:36,539
at the very most,
858
00:38:36,583 --> 00:38:38,367
about three miles
from the house.
859
00:38:38,410 --> 00:38:40,542
And at the very least, she
was still at the house.
860
00:38:40,584 --> 00:38:42,542
And the fact that she
lied about where she was
861
00:38:42,585 --> 00:38:44,369
when she called the victim...
862
00:38:44,412 --> 00:38:46,390
But I couldn't get into any
of that when she testified...
863
00:38:46,413 --> 00:38:50,721
Well, the 25 years I've
been practicing law,
864
00:38:50,761 --> 00:38:52,719
I have never seen
anything like it.
865
00:38:52,763 --> 00:38:54,504
[slurping]
866
00:38:54,546 --> 00:38:56,426
Narrator: In everyday
life, we're all the heroes
867
00:38:56,459 --> 00:38:58,940
of our own stories.
868
00:38:58,983 --> 00:39:02,595
But what happens when
our story gets told?
869
00:39:02,635 --> 00:39:07,548
Can you believe this crap?
870
00:39:07,594 --> 00:39:11,250
Maybe nobody will see it.
871
00:39:11,290 --> 00:39:12,813
Narrator: For the first time,
872
00:39:12,857 --> 00:39:19,149
Pam wasn't in control
over her own story.
873
00:39:19,207 --> 00:39:21,731
Hello, missy?
874
00:39:21,773 --> 00:39:22,861
- No.
- Hello...
875
00:39:22,905 --> 00:39:24,515
- No, no, no.
- No, no, no, no, no.
876
00:39:24,557 --> 00:39:27,647
I'm cutting you off.
877
00:39:27,688 --> 00:39:29,559
12 bucks a pop.
878
00:39:29,602 --> 00:39:30,908
12.
879
00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:33,649
What, now you can't
buy me a drink because
880
00:39:33,690 --> 00:39:35,648
you bought Sarah's house
out from under her?
881
00:39:35,692 --> 00:39:37,607
It wasn't hers.
882
00:39:37,648 --> 00:39:39,999
You owe her big time.
883
00:39:40,041 --> 00:39:42,565
I have half a mind to
cut you out of the will
884
00:39:42,607 --> 00:39:44,739
and stick her in your slot.
885
00:39:44,782 --> 00:39:46,479
I pay for Autumndale.
886
00:39:46,522 --> 00:39:49,917
I hate Autumndale.
887
00:39:49,958 --> 00:39:53,962
It smells like
spiderwebs and soup.
888
00:39:54,002 --> 00:39:56,830
You know, you're done, Pam.
889
00:39:56,873 --> 00:39:58,701
I'm cutting you off.
890
00:39:58,742 --> 00:40:00,831
[ominous music]
891
00:40:00,875 --> 00:40:03,791
[thunder rumbling]
892
00:40:03,831 --> 00:40:10,926
?
893
00:40:37,627 --> 00:40:42,109
Aww, thanks, hon.
894
00:40:42,151 --> 00:40:45,981
[thunder rumbling]
895
00:40:46,022 --> 00:40:48,067
You really do take care of me.
896
00:40:48,110 --> 00:40:52,677
I don't know what
I'd do with ya.
897
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:59,813
?
898
00:41:08,507 --> 00:41:11,467
[sinister music]
899
00:41:11,509 --> 00:41:16,853
?
900
00:41:16,902 --> 00:41:19,252
She is down for
the count up there.
901
00:41:19,295 --> 00:41:22,515
Won't be down for dinner.
902
00:41:22,557 --> 00:41:24,602
- Or breakfast.
- Breakfast, too?
903
00:41:24,645 --> 00:41:26,690
Yeah, she needs her rest.
904
00:41:26,732 --> 00:41:27,951
If you don't from her,
905
00:41:27,993 --> 00:41:30,604
maybe pop in around lunchtime.
906
00:41:30,647 --> 00:41:33,258
Sure thing, Miss Pam.
907
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:35,258
Happy Halloween.
908
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,171
?
909
00:41:37,215 --> 00:41:40,653
Trick or treat.
910
00:41:40,693 --> 00:41:44,262
- I like your costume!
- Ah!
911
00:41:44,304 --> 00:41:46,828
- Will you please wait for me?
- [laughter]
912
00:41:46,869 --> 00:41:49,960
[thunder rumbling]
913
00:41:52,436 --> 00:41:57,177
[both chuckling]
914
00:41:57,222 --> 00:41:59,746
Whoa.
915
00:41:59,787 --> 00:42:02,268
That almost looks real.
916
00:42:02,288 --> 00:42:05,247
[ominous music]
917
00:42:05,261 --> 00:42:07,567
?
918
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:13,536
[screams]
919
00:42:13,537 --> 00:42:19,612
?
920
00:42:19,613 --> 00:42:22,573
[sinister music]
921
00:42:22,587 --> 00:42:29,725
?
922
00:42:29,775 --> 00:42:34,325
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