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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,770 --> 00:00:22,230 The old phrase, 2 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:24,983 "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder," 3 00:00:24,983 --> 00:00:27,986 is false. That is not true. 4 00:00:30,405 --> 00:00:36,411 There is, no doubt, a correct-shaped human face, 5 00:00:37,912 --> 00:00:40,415 like there is with every other animal. 6 00:00:40,415 --> 00:00:43,126 You know, cows all look the same. 7 00:00:43,126 --> 00:00:44,878 Sheep all look the same. 8 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:47,922 {\an8}Humans should all look the same, 9 00:00:47,922 --> 00:00:49,048 {\an8}but they don't. 10 00:00:49,048 --> 00:00:50,675 {\an8}They vary hugely. 11 00:00:50,675 --> 00:00:52,844 {\an8}And sometimes 12 00:00:52,844 --> 00:00:56,306 {\an8}the shape of the face is appealing, 13 00:00:56,306 --> 00:00:58,975 and sometimes, shall we say, less so. 14 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:03,146 What worries me is the fact 15 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:07,484 that most people are severely deformed. 16 00:01:07,484 --> 00:01:10,653 It's a terrible thing to say, but it's really true. 17 00:01:12,989 --> 00:01:15,408 Everybody is programmed 18 00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:17,744 to have the same type of face. 19 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:20,330 Have you ever taken a boat ride or a raft? 20 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:21,748 Yeah. 21 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:24,918 But the development of our face has gone wrong. 22 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:28,004 {\an8}Pump, pump, pump. 23 00:01:28,004 --> 00:01:31,841 {\an8}We are no longer very beautiful. 24 00:01:31,841 --> 00:01:34,636 What was the worst part of the treatment? 25 00:01:34,636 --> 00:01:37,305 My job is to create beautiful faces. 26 00:01:37,305 --> 00:01:42,268 And anything you can do to make the face better 27 00:01:42,268 --> 00:01:44,354 is the right thing. 28 00:01:44,354 --> 00:01:46,815 Was it as bad as you thought it would be? 29 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:49,943 I thought the treatment would be a lot worse. 30 00:01:49,943 --> 00:01:51,194 People say, "John, 31 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:53,822 you create the best faces in the world." 32 00:01:53,822 --> 00:01:56,574 - Seashells on the... - Seashore. 33 00:01:56,574 --> 00:01:58,868 - Brother. - Brother. 34 00:01:58,868 --> 00:02:00,036 The problem is, 35 00:02:00,036 --> 00:02:03,540 I'm too far ahead of everybody else. 36 00:02:36,406 --> 00:02:37,824 Okay, now get the head back. 37 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:38,867 Open nice and wide. 38 00:02:45,456 --> 00:02:46,666 Open a bit wider. 39 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:50,295 Okay, cool. And then bite together. 40 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:56,509 {\an8}I actually stopped talking about what I did 41 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:57,886 {\an8}at dinner parties, 42 00:02:57,886 --> 00:03:00,889 {\an8}because I'd go to a dinner party. 43 00:03:00,889 --> 00:03:02,390 The normal thing happens. 44 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:03,558 Everyone says, "Oh, what do you do?" 45 00:03:03,558 --> 00:03:06,102 And I go, "I'm--I'm-- I'm an orthodontist, 46 00:03:06,102 --> 00:03:07,562 but one of the most controversial." 47 00:03:08,771 --> 00:03:10,440 I spent my entire life 48 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,817 with this knowledge in my brain 49 00:03:12,817 --> 00:03:15,194 that no one else seems to see. 50 00:03:15,194 --> 00:03:17,155 You know, look at the car crash, 51 00:03:17,155 --> 00:03:19,616 the slow motion car crash that's happened to you. 52 00:03:19,616 --> 00:03:21,618 Do you not see it? 53 00:03:21,618 --> 00:03:25,330 Modern orthodontics, particularly fixed braces, 54 00:03:25,330 --> 00:03:28,082 you're not affecting the cause of the problem. 55 00:03:28,082 --> 00:03:30,251 Actually, often, 56 00:03:30,251 --> 00:03:32,462 you're making the underlying situation worse. 57 00:03:35,798 --> 00:03:37,175 People don't like to change. 58 00:03:38,176 --> 00:03:43,222 We're comfortable in the skin we're in. And I need to get people to change. 59 00:03:43,222 --> 00:03:46,809 At this point, if you remember from last time, 60 00:03:46,809 --> 00:03:49,187 I always make them look a little bit jaw-y. 61 00:03:49,187 --> 00:03:50,939 So the jaw, physically, 62 00:03:50,939 --> 00:03:52,649 should be slightly further ahead of the top jaw. 63 00:03:52,649 --> 00:03:56,861 'Cause this area here, as he starts building his muscles up, 64 00:03:56,861 --> 00:03:58,780 he's gonna lift this jaw up, 65 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:01,449 and this area is gonna go... 66 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:03,368 Out like that. Kay? 67 00:04:04,827 --> 00:04:09,123 So if we get him here, up like that, and we achieve that 68 00:04:09,123 --> 00:04:13,544 in a sort of more harmonious structure, 69 00:04:13,544 --> 00:04:17,090 well, he'll have had, I believe, to my knowledge, 70 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:19,342 one of the best facial outcomes yet achieved. 71 00:04:20,301 --> 00:04:22,428 I've got this ability, I know, 72 00:04:22,428 --> 00:04:25,765 to transform lives immensely, beyond reason. 73 00:04:29,477 --> 00:04:31,145 Children that look like this 74 00:04:32,939 --> 00:04:37,694 don't have the same lives, 75 00:04:37,694 --> 00:04:43,157 either health-wise or integrating with society 76 00:04:43,157 --> 00:04:45,868 and their peers, as people like this. 77 00:04:48,162 --> 00:04:51,499 It has been really, really hard work. 78 00:04:51,499 --> 00:04:53,626 But we've only just got going. 79 00:05:04,012 --> 00:05:05,680 - Monday. - Monday. 80 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,223 - Tuesday. - Tuesday. 81 00:05:07,223 --> 00:05:08,725 - Wednesday. - Wednesday. 82 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:10,435 Now I start to need to change you. 83 00:05:10,435 --> 00:05:12,895 Now, we change you with an appliance 84 00:05:12,895 --> 00:05:15,857 that's got fangs on it like this, okay? 85 00:05:15,857 --> 00:05:17,650 If she drops her jaw down, 86 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:21,320 the appliance engages underneath the mandible, 87 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,532 and that will remind her to keep her mouth closed, 88 00:05:24,532 --> 00:05:26,868 building up this Pavlovian feedback response. 89 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:27,910 And that's what we want. 90 00:05:27,910 --> 00:05:30,163 Life is full of surprises. 91 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:32,832 The fact that the internet got me famous 92 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:35,877 is one of those things, I guess. 93 00:05:35,877 --> 00:05:38,087 This term mewing, the whole mewing thing 94 00:05:38,087 --> 00:05:40,840 has been an absolute gift to me. 95 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:43,676 It's a godsend. It's named after me. 96 00:05:43,676 --> 00:05:45,386 {\an8}My surname has become a verb now. 97 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:47,513 {\an8}It's a massively used term. 98 00:05:48,765 --> 00:05:50,975 Someone pointed out to me recently 99 00:05:50,975 --> 00:05:53,436 that the hashtag #mewing has been seen 100 00:05:53,436 --> 00:05:56,314 over a billion times on TikTok. 101 00:05:56,314 --> 00:05:58,357 That blows me away. 102 00:05:58,357 --> 00:06:00,401 I stagger. How am I in this place? 103 00:06:00,401 --> 00:06:02,403 I mean, how did I get here? 104 00:06:35,937 --> 00:06:37,480 Right. 105 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,440 I'm gonna kind of stick my legs out there a little. 106 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,026 Well, get your feet in. You could pull the chair. 107 00:06:42,026 --> 00:06:43,945 Well, I think they've now set up on us. 108 00:06:43,945 --> 00:06:46,823 - So the last-- - Are our heads close enough together? 109 00:06:46,823 --> 00:06:48,908 I have abs-- I'm sure they'll give us some instructions. 110 00:06:48,908 --> 00:06:50,284 They will. 111 00:06:50,284 --> 00:06:52,662 You look to be quite a way away, that's all. 112 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:55,289 Yeah. Well, I'm waiting for instruction. 113 00:06:55,289 --> 00:06:56,999 - So... - Right. 114 00:06:56,999 --> 00:06:59,127 I really think it's gonna be a nice, sunny day today. 115 00:06:59,127 --> 00:07:00,920 Excuse me. 116 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,213 Don't feel shy about-- 117 00:07:02,213 --> 00:07:03,798 - May we begin? - Yes. 118 00:07:03,798 --> 00:07:07,135 So what's it like to be a father/son team? 119 00:07:07,135 --> 00:07:09,595 I'd never thought about it. 120 00:07:09,595 --> 00:07:12,723 - What do you-- - I don't see myself as a team. 121 00:07:12,723 --> 00:07:17,728 I see myself as a chap who likes orthodontics 122 00:07:17,728 --> 00:07:20,231 with a son who's interested in orthodontics. 123 00:07:20,231 --> 00:07:22,900 Yeah. Yes, you see, you are an individual. 124 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:24,152 - Oh. - Yeah. 125 00:07:24,152 --> 00:07:25,987 You're not the best team player in the world. 126 00:07:25,987 --> 00:07:27,738 - Well, probably not. - No, no. 127 00:07:27,738 --> 00:07:29,907 I don't think we work together. 128 00:07:31,242 --> 00:07:33,953 There we go. I think that about sums it up. 129 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:36,455 - Well, no. - I've been trying for years 130 00:07:36,455 --> 00:07:39,459 to get him to work with me, but he does his own thing. 131 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:42,295 I've never-- Don't think I've ever had a different thought. 132 00:07:48,926 --> 00:07:52,513 At the age of 16, I had a little black book, 133 00:07:52,513 --> 00:07:54,223 {\an8}only about that big. 134 00:07:54,223 --> 00:07:58,686 {\an8}♪Whenever I had significant thoughts, I would note them down. 135 00:07:58,686 --> 00:08:02,940 And so I spent most of my life puzzling 136 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:05,902 on the reason for this or that or center. 137 00:08:08,112 --> 00:08:10,323 I was not a good student. 138 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:13,284 I regularly failed my exams. 139 00:08:13,284 --> 00:08:16,037 And I really don't think I'm at all clever. 140 00:08:16,037 --> 00:08:17,955 Quite stupid, in fact. 141 00:08:17,955 --> 00:08:22,376 But interestingly, I had this ability to-- 142 00:08:22,376 --> 00:08:25,171 I think they call it lateral thinking. 143 00:08:25,171 --> 00:08:27,590 Therefore, I was always coming up with ideas 144 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:30,593 which were entirely different than everyone else's. 145 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:37,183 Traditional truths are not always correct. 146 00:08:37,183 --> 00:08:39,227 I think I see myself as a rebel. 147 00:08:40,811 --> 00:08:43,439 Once you've come up with the answer, 148 00:08:43,439 --> 00:08:44,524 you know it's right. 149 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:47,401 And of course, that's my problem now. 150 00:08:47,401 --> 00:08:49,028 I know I'm right. 151 00:08:49,028 --> 00:08:52,031 The orthodontists are absolutely sure I'm wrong. 152 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:55,952 Could you sit up a little for me? 153 00:08:55,952 --> 00:08:57,453 Oh, so sorry, yes. 154 00:08:57,453 --> 00:08:59,705 - I keep slithering down. - No, no, not at all. 155 00:08:59,705 --> 00:09:01,916 I'm-- Remember my age, son. 156 00:09:04,001 --> 00:09:08,214 A delicate subject to talk about other people, 157 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:10,633 particularly about their faces. 158 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:13,844 So one does need to tread carefully. 159 00:09:13,844 --> 00:09:17,640 But if you walk down the street, you'll find a huge number of people 160 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,433 who just have flat faces. 161 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:22,687 Now, most people think, "Well, I've just got a flat face." 162 00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:27,483 But there's a reason for that. There's a reason for everything. 163 00:09:28,442 --> 00:09:30,945 I spent most of my life 164 00:09:30,945 --> 00:09:33,114 studying faces. 165 00:09:33,114 --> 00:09:37,326 I decided I wanted to be a dentist way back, before I was ten. 166 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:43,833 My father, he was an orthodontist, so obviously enjoyed it, 167 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:47,003 that it seemed natural for me to do the same thing. 168 00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:52,341 I started off very much part of the establishment. 169 00:09:52,341 --> 00:09:56,345 But I was unhappy with the effect 170 00:09:56,345 --> 00:09:58,973 of orthodontic treatment on youngsters. 171 00:09:58,973 --> 00:10:02,977 They were purely mechanical cures. 172 00:10:02,977 --> 00:10:05,229 They would say, "Look, these teeth are all there. 173 00:10:05,229 --> 00:10:06,647 We'll fix it." 174 00:10:06,647 --> 00:10:10,901 And the dentists found that if they fitted a plate with bits of wire on it, 175 00:10:10,901 --> 00:10:13,237 they could line the teeth up. 176 00:10:13,237 --> 00:10:14,697 Fix the palate, see. 177 00:10:14,697 --> 00:10:15,990 See, my belief are 178 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:18,409 they're doing more harm than good. 179 00:10:18,409 --> 00:10:24,415 The whole orthodontic scene is a scandal. 180 00:10:43,517 --> 00:10:47,813 Most orthodontic treatment flattens faces. 181 00:10:47,813 --> 00:10:51,233 In reality, it pulls them back, 182 00:10:51,233 --> 00:10:53,944 which is the exact opposite of what you want. 183 00:10:55,112 --> 00:10:58,032 It's a bit like taking a cardboard box. 184 00:10:58,032 --> 00:11:00,242 If you push it in, 185 00:11:00,242 --> 00:11:02,578 it kinks and cracks and twists. 186 00:11:02,578 --> 00:11:04,538 Well, the face is just the same. 187 00:11:04,538 --> 00:11:07,333 If it's pushed back at one end, it kinks like this. 188 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:12,338 It's better to try and lodge the jaws to take the whole lot forward, 189 00:11:12,338 --> 00:11:14,590 which also provides room for the teeth. 190 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:20,429 My dear wife, Jo, and I were treated traditionally. 191 00:11:20,429 --> 00:11:24,392 We both have narrow faces and crowded teeth. 192 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:31,065 I really wanted to bring my children up without traditional orthodontic methods. 193 00:11:31,982 --> 00:11:36,195 And so I thought I'd design an appliance to do that. 194 00:11:38,781 --> 00:11:42,368 I don't know if you've done much, what they say, "DIY," 195 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:45,871 do it yourself, but it's very convenient 196 00:11:45,871 --> 00:11:48,416 to be able to experiment on your children. 197 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:52,920 Most people do it socially, but I also did it medically. 198 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:10,771 {\an8}William, my older one, I was just forming these ideas. 199 00:12:10,771 --> 00:12:14,275 {\an8}It wasn't effective, and as a result, 200 00:12:14,275 --> 00:12:17,111 {\an8}has never had good facial development. 201 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:21,740 {\an8}But Michael was the next one in line. 202 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:23,909 {\an8}You can see that his face 203 00:12:23,909 --> 00:12:25,786 {\an8}is totally different from mine. 204 00:12:25,786 --> 00:12:29,874 {\an8}It was mainly that I was just clever about him. 205 00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:33,002 {\an8}-And Rosarie... - Hey. 206 00:12:33,002 --> 00:12:35,129 {\an8}His younger sister, 207 00:12:35,129 --> 00:12:37,673 {\an8}I think even cleverer still, you know. 208 00:12:37,673 --> 00:12:40,342 You do get a bit better in life with luck. 209 00:12:44,054 --> 00:12:46,807 As the eldest, I was the first guinea pig. 210 00:12:46,807 --> 00:12:49,727 And therefore, some of the contraptions I wore 211 00:12:49,727 --> 00:12:51,270 were possibly a little bit more crude. 212 00:12:53,105 --> 00:12:56,901 {\an8}I remember Bill being taped up to this headgear 213 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:59,445 that an alarm used to go off if his mouth fell open. 214 00:12:59,445 --> 00:13:01,697 Well, initially, they hadn't got the alarm quite right, 215 00:13:01,697 --> 00:13:04,575 so before he reali-- there was something underneath 216 00:13:04,575 --> 00:13:05,784 with a sharp object there. 217 00:13:07,328 --> 00:13:09,872 If my jaw dropped, it would be-- 218 00:13:09,872 --> 00:13:11,582 I would describe it as uncomfortable. 219 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:15,002 {\an8}Poor William. 220 00:13:15,002 --> 00:13:17,713 He wore that very well and never complained. 221 00:13:17,713 --> 00:13:19,089 None of them complained. 222 00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:23,135 We were fair game for experimentation. 223 00:13:23,135 --> 00:13:25,471 Oh, I'm sure that he'd be done now, 224 00:13:25,471 --> 00:13:26,639 for the amount of experimenting 225 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,224 that he did on us. 226 00:13:28,224 --> 00:13:30,559 One of his experiments was to see 227 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,770 what would happen to facial development 228 00:13:32,770 --> 00:13:35,940 if someone didn't chew. So if someone just swallowed 229 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:39,610 and just did, like, baby food for the first three years-- 230 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:40,736 two, maybe three years. 231 00:13:40,736 --> 00:13:42,404 Let's be generous. There was only two and half years. 232 00:13:42,404 --> 00:13:45,658 Pretending it was breastfeeding, as if you were breastfeeding. 233 00:13:45,658 --> 00:13:46,659 Yes. 234 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:50,955 We used to breastfeed children for two to three years. 235 00:13:50,955 --> 00:13:53,415 We now do it for less than six months. 236 00:13:54,959 --> 00:14:00,798 It is one of the biggest lifestyle changes that we've made in the human race. 237 00:14:00,798 --> 00:14:06,220 And I'm sure it's the main reason why there are so many ugly people around. 238 00:14:08,097 --> 00:14:09,807 Everyone would have their Sunday dinner, 239 00:14:09,807 --> 00:14:11,559 and mine would have gone through the Magimix. 240 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,435 And I'd be given this bottle, 241 00:14:13,435 --> 00:14:15,813 and I just thought it was completely normal 242 00:14:15,813 --> 00:14:19,984 that I had, as Dad always talks about, one of the largest malocclusions ever. 243 00:14:19,984 --> 00:14:21,402 - Yes. - Because I had 244 00:14:21,402 --> 00:14:23,821 - It was a disaster. - this tiny, tiny little jaw 245 00:14:23,821 --> 00:14:25,781 because I hadn't chewed. 246 00:14:25,781 --> 00:14:27,658 So he wrote lots of research papers. 247 00:14:27,658 --> 00:14:29,243 And I think my mother, I was about three, 248 00:14:29,243 --> 00:14:31,328 and sort of said, "Right, we're going to start 249 00:14:31,328 --> 00:14:32,830 giving her ordinary food now. 250 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:34,373 So then he was very excited. 251 00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:36,625 But then he started putting a brace in me. 252 00:14:36,625 --> 00:14:41,171 And he created the largest expansion that he'd ever done on anyone before, 253 00:14:41,171 --> 00:14:43,882 because I went from this very, very crowded malocclused... 254 00:14:43,882 --> 00:14:45,301 - Is that the right word? - Malocclusion, yeah. 255 00:14:45,301 --> 00:14:48,679 ...place to quite a big jaw, as I have now, so... 256 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:50,389 So he created the problem and-- 257 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:51,891 - Well, he didn't mean - And then fixed it. 258 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:53,892 to create the problem. 259 00:14:53,892 --> 00:14:57,396 My daughter, Rosarie, has a very good-looking face. 260 00:14:57,396 --> 00:15:00,399 I mean, she's-- I hate to think how old now. 261 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:02,901 She must be in her late 50s. 262 00:15:02,901 --> 00:15:07,364 No, she'd probably be horrified. No, I think, late 40s, perhaps. 263 00:15:07,364 --> 00:15:09,158 Not very good on ages. 264 00:15:09,158 --> 00:15:12,286 Anyway, but she's got lovely bone formation. 265 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,165 I experimented on my children, and it worked. 266 00:15:16,165 --> 00:15:19,251 I'm sure I should be put in prison for that. 267 00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:24,465 The human, when brought up naturally, 268 00:15:24,465 --> 00:15:26,759 has no dental problems. 269 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:28,928 If a parent asks me, 270 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,180 "John, what's the best way I can do 271 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:32,890 to look after my children 272 00:15:32,890 --> 00:15:36,268 and make sure that they grow up correctly?" 273 00:15:36,268 --> 00:15:38,479 I will say this simply. 274 00:15:38,479 --> 00:15:44,068 "Sell your house, buy a cave in the top of a mountain, 275 00:15:44,068 --> 00:15:47,404 and don't cook any of your food," 276 00:15:47,404 --> 00:15:50,240 and I think that's a very good prescription. 277 00:15:53,744 --> 00:15:57,873 John has created an island for himself. 278 00:15:57,873 --> 00:16:01,752 {\an8}And in that island, I think I'm there. 279 00:16:01,752 --> 00:16:03,629 {\an8}I think Mike's there. 280 00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:06,799 {\an8}And it gets a bit hazy after that. 281 00:16:08,175 --> 00:16:12,012 My journey to orthotropics has not been a straight line. 282 00:16:12,012 --> 00:16:15,391 I was studying conventional orthodontics, 283 00:16:15,391 --> 00:16:18,978 and I came across John's philosophy. 284 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:22,231 I have been trained through John, 285 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:27,027 and I follow John's technique very closely. 286 00:16:27,027 --> 00:16:33,033 One of the things that he answered for me was why there is malocclusion, 287 00:16:34,493 --> 00:16:37,162 which is when the teeth end up out of alignment 288 00:16:37,162 --> 00:16:39,248 and they grow crooked. 289 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:45,963 Human beings, we've always had jaws and teeth that are fairly evenly balanced 290 00:16:45,963 --> 00:16:47,506 and fairly straight. 291 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:50,551 In the last 300 years, that has really shifted. 292 00:16:52,428 --> 00:16:55,681 We live in a world today where no one has straight teeth. 293 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:58,142 And so how do we go from 294 00:16:58,142 --> 00:16:59,852 tens and tens and tens of thousands of years 295 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:01,562 where everything was perfect 296 00:17:01,562 --> 00:17:04,481 to one where every kid needs some form of braces 297 00:17:04,481 --> 00:17:05,858 to get the teeth straight? 298 00:17:07,901 --> 00:17:12,114 We're taught that genetics plays the primary role 299 00:17:12,114 --> 00:17:15,242 in jaw development, and John's thought was, 300 00:17:15,242 --> 00:17:20,873 it's not possible for genetics to be so precise, 301 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:26,211 for everything to line up perfectly without any environmental influence. 302 00:17:26,962 --> 00:17:28,047 - Have you got fingerprint? - No. 303 00:17:28,047 --> 00:17:29,673 I've just got the facial recognition. 304 00:17:29,673 --> 00:17:31,467 Look at the phone. Nothing's happening. 305 00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:32,718 Put it close to your face. 306 00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:35,512 Did it open? 307 00:17:35,512 --> 00:17:37,264 No, it doesn't recognize me. 308 00:17:38,348 --> 00:17:40,184 But I bet you get voice recognition. 309 00:17:41,477 --> 00:17:43,395 - See, it opened. - Yeah, that's interesting. 310 00:17:43,395 --> 00:17:44,688 Yeah, see, he's altered her jaw, 311 00:17:44,688 --> 00:17:46,231 so I now can't get into her phone. 312 00:17:48,358 --> 00:17:49,651 Yeah. 313 00:17:49,651 --> 00:17:54,406 I didn't know it wasn't traditional, you know, orthodontistry. 314 00:17:54,406 --> 00:17:56,408 I thought I was getting orthodontic treatment. 315 00:17:56,408 --> 00:17:58,577 I had no idea that... 316 00:17:58,577 --> 00:18:00,120 that I was one of the first people 317 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,831 that he was going to try this procedure on. 318 00:18:04,666 --> 00:18:06,627 We grew up on a farm. 319 00:18:06,627 --> 00:18:10,339 His surgery was a long way, and it was down country lanes. 320 00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:14,802 We had a working class background. He was a private dentist. 321 00:18:14,802 --> 00:18:16,887 So he was a different strata to us. 322 00:18:19,973 --> 00:18:22,601 We were always the twinnies, the twins. 323 00:18:22,601 --> 00:18:24,520 She's twinny, I'm twinny. 324 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,605 {\an8}We're absolutely identical. 325 00:18:26,605 --> 00:18:30,192 {\an8}Not so much now, but we used to be totally identical, 326 00:18:30,192 --> 00:18:31,443 couldn't tell us apart. 327 00:18:31,443 --> 00:18:33,570 - I mean, we were just... - Joined at the hip. 328 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:35,781 - Yes. - Apart from the teeth. 329 00:18:38,075 --> 00:18:39,993 I was really conscious of my teeth. 330 00:18:40,911 --> 00:18:43,789 We both sucked our finger and thumb from when we were little girls 331 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,416 until probably early teens. 332 00:18:46,416 --> 00:18:47,376 Like that. 333 00:18:51,547 --> 00:18:54,341 I had, you know, an overbite. 334 00:18:54,341 --> 00:18:56,093 I remember being teased on the bus, 335 00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:58,804 and, you know, I used to get called Lucky 336 00:18:58,804 --> 00:19:00,722 'cause I had this big gap in the middle of my teeth. 337 00:19:00,722 --> 00:19:02,474 I used to be able to get a penny in. 338 00:19:02,474 --> 00:19:05,769 So I never used to smile much, and I was very conscious of my mouth. 339 00:19:05,769 --> 00:19:08,021 - But you did smile, but you did this. - All the time. 340 00:19:08,021 --> 00:19:09,606 Like, I would always be like this in the photographs. 341 00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:15,112 We used to babysit for Dr. Mew, 342 00:19:15,112 --> 00:19:17,489 and I can't remember how it came up 343 00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:20,909 that he wanted to do a treatment on my teeth. 344 00:19:20,909 --> 00:19:24,621 Well, he only took one look at you and realized you needed something doing. 345 00:19:24,621 --> 00:19:26,915 Thank you. Yes, anyway. 346 00:19:26,915 --> 00:19:30,752 You would have been a perfect patient, of course, 'cause you had a control. 347 00:19:30,752 --> 00:19:32,713 Exactly, you're my control, 348 00:19:32,713 --> 00:19:34,673 which is probably why we got the free dentistry. 349 00:19:34,673 --> 00:19:36,967 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 350 00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:38,468 That's exactly why. 351 00:19:38,468 --> 00:19:39,595 - That is why? - Mm-hmm. 352 00:19:39,595 --> 00:19:41,847 - You owe it all to me, Moi. - Ha, there you go. 353 00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:50,230 When you want to do good research, 354 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:52,024 no doubt, twins is the best way. 355 00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:55,110 If you take a pair of twins and treat one 356 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:58,030 with one method and one with another method, 357 00:19:58,030 --> 00:19:59,990 you're going to get a very clear message, 358 00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:04,244 because when you're treating twins, they're both the same. 359 00:20:10,626 --> 00:20:12,085 {\an8}I had an appliance. 360 00:20:12,085 --> 00:20:13,962 And it was called the Biobloc. 361 00:20:13,962 --> 00:20:17,549 It was like a medieval torture instrument. 362 00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:23,555 And I had to sleep with my bottom teeth 363 00:20:23,555 --> 00:20:27,601 pulled out to almost in front of my top teeth, 364 00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:32,522 which isn't pleasant. But I had great confidence in him 365 00:20:32,522 --> 00:20:34,691 because he was so confident. 366 00:20:34,691 --> 00:20:37,861 And I would do whatever it took to finish that treatment, 367 00:20:37,861 --> 00:20:39,529 which is what I did. 368 00:20:42,407 --> 00:20:43,992 My mouth did change. 369 00:20:43,992 --> 00:20:48,455 I mean, the gap in the front of my teeth wasn't there anymore. 370 00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:51,041 I felt far more confident about smiling. 371 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:53,126 So it was wonderful for me. 372 00:20:53,126 --> 00:20:55,796 You know, it was the best thing I could ever have done. 373 00:20:57,381 --> 00:20:58,966 I'd probably still be living at Heart Lake farm 374 00:20:58,966 --> 00:21:02,052 if I hadn't had it done, married with five children. 375 00:21:04,721 --> 00:21:06,264 Okay, stop. 376 00:21:06,264 --> 00:21:11,103 {\an8}They became the first of a series of six twins 377 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:13,855 {\an8}who had had different treatment. 378 00:21:13,855 --> 00:21:17,442 Elise, the twin on the right in this picture 379 00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:18,986 who does not need treatment, 380 00:21:18,986 --> 00:21:22,322 has a larger and more pragmatic face. 381 00:21:22,322 --> 00:21:23,657 Probably because of this, 382 00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:27,244 her face looks more mature than that of her sister. 383 00:21:29,663 --> 00:21:33,667 Because I really wanted to know the truth myself. 384 00:21:33,667 --> 00:21:37,629 I didn't know if orthotropics was better or worse. 385 00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:41,258 I could then compare them, 386 00:21:41,258 --> 00:21:43,760 and I was flabbergasted. 387 00:21:47,514 --> 00:21:50,517 I said, "Eureka! That's obviously it." 388 00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:54,730 And that was when I really produced 389 00:21:54,730 --> 00:22:00,193 the label "orthotropics," which means correct growth. 390 00:22:02,237 --> 00:22:07,284 All plants are guided by tropisms, 391 00:22:07,284 --> 00:22:10,954 where they will grow towards the light. 392 00:22:10,954 --> 00:22:14,416 So growth is a tropism. 393 00:22:14,416 --> 00:22:18,045 Plants grow, and in a way, so do faces. 394 00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:23,759 What orthotropics is about 395 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:26,678 is redirecting the course of growth. 396 00:22:26,678 --> 00:22:31,433 It's very easy to start, terribly difficult to finish. 397 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:33,643 Initially, you're making room for teeth. 398 00:22:33,643 --> 00:22:38,565 It's a very spectacular, very appealing period. 399 00:22:38,565 --> 00:22:40,358 The next phase of orthotropics 400 00:22:40,358 --> 00:22:44,237 is where we develop the individual jaws 401 00:22:44,237 --> 00:22:47,074 to be the incorrect shape. 402 00:22:47,074 --> 00:22:50,452 And what tends to happen is parents then say, 403 00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:52,079 "This doctor has no idea what they're doing, 404 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:55,665 and it is infinitely worse than when we first started." 405 00:22:55,665 --> 00:22:59,377 And then they will take them to find a second opinion. 406 00:22:59,377 --> 00:23:05,217 And they will say, "What has this man, what has this woman done to your child? 407 00:23:05,217 --> 00:23:07,761 They've wrecked your child." 408 00:23:07,761 --> 00:23:11,348 The problem with orthotropics is it looks good, 409 00:23:11,348 --> 00:23:13,308 then it looks terrible, 410 00:23:13,308 --> 00:23:15,727 and that lasts four years. 411 00:23:17,938 --> 00:23:20,690 And then finally at the end of it, it looks great. 412 00:23:22,192 --> 00:23:25,737 Right, I let people know, "This is a double black diamond." 413 00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:28,949 If we travel here, you have to trust, 414 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:32,744 in the end, you'll end up in a fantastic place. 415 00:23:34,579 --> 00:23:36,748 We are training children 416 00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:39,000 to work at a level 417 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,129 {\an8}which is beyond what we would normally expect. 418 00:23:42,129 --> 00:23:43,463 {\an8}Come take a seat. 419 00:23:43,463 --> 00:23:45,799 {\an8}The level of physical discipline 420 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:51,263 {\an8}requires a commitment that is not common today. 421 00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:53,932 You have to train not only the children, 422 00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:56,685 but their guardians, the parents. 423 00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:59,813 Why was it you came for treatment, actually? 424 00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:04,568 Because I felt that recently, Lisa's lower jaw was receding more. 425 00:24:04,568 --> 00:24:07,529 {\an8}We are talking specifically about posture. 426 00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:12,784 {\an8}You cannot develop straight teeth if you have bad oral posture. 427 00:24:12,784 --> 00:24:15,412 How much do you hope that this can be improved? 428 00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:18,373 Well, I hope that her jawline would look more normal 429 00:24:18,373 --> 00:24:20,167 and that cosmetically 430 00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:24,129 it would improve the outline of her face and her jaw. 431 00:24:24,129 --> 00:24:28,175 In orthotropics, we have appliances 432 00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:30,802 that have a penalty nature to them. 433 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,265 This is your stage three appliance, Lisa, 434 00:24:35,265 --> 00:24:38,560 and it's intended that it will be sore if you drop the jaw down. 435 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,646 When John developed orthotropics, 436 00:24:41,646 --> 00:24:43,523 he developed it in a world 437 00:24:43,523 --> 00:24:47,027 where there were physical penalties and punishments 438 00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:49,571 when you didn't behave. 439 00:24:49,571 --> 00:24:53,575 You know, I was smacked as a child. I was smacked at school. 440 00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:56,786 Six, seven, eight, nine, ten. 441 00:24:56,786 --> 00:24:58,496 That's very good, indeed. Well done. 442 00:24:58,496 --> 00:25:01,499 One of the things about human beings 443 00:25:01,499 --> 00:25:05,795 is physical reminders trump verbal nagging. 444 00:25:06,755 --> 00:25:10,800 And that's how we change habits. 445 00:25:12,052 --> 00:25:15,263 Those years that I went through treatment, 446 00:25:15,263 --> 00:25:18,558 from the age, I think, eight or nine through to 12. 447 00:25:18,558 --> 00:25:21,436 And my brother had to go down the traditional route 448 00:25:21,436 --> 00:25:23,146 as a control. 449 00:25:23,146 --> 00:25:26,399 And obviously, for John Mew, the ability then to do that comparison, 450 00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:27,817 compare and contrast. 451 00:25:28,777 --> 00:25:31,404 The experience I had, it was quite brutal. 452 00:25:31,404 --> 00:25:34,783 When I look back at it, I look back and think it was just natural. 453 00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:36,576 It was just part of what I was going through. 454 00:25:36,576 --> 00:25:39,663 {\an8}And everybody else was going through it, if they have orthodontistry. 455 00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:41,831 {\an8}But I now know that wasn't the case. 456 00:25:41,831 --> 00:25:42,999 {\an8}So... 457 00:25:42,999 --> 00:25:47,045 Yeah, we as children didn't really question why. 458 00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:51,299 If he convinces the parent that this is the right thing, 459 00:25:51,299 --> 00:25:53,593 then the parents can be the overseer 460 00:25:53,593 --> 00:25:57,347 and govern that the child does what they're supposed to do, 461 00:25:57,347 --> 00:25:59,516 um, which is kind of what happened. 462 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,851 - Your mom was overseeing? - Yeah. Yeah. 463 00:26:01,851 --> 00:26:03,186 She was supervising, wasn't she? 464 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:06,940 Oh, you'd like to-- That's wonderful. 465 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:08,984 We're talking about parents and children. 466 00:26:08,984 --> 00:26:10,819 Come on in. We'll figure it out. 467 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:12,612 - Yeah. - What do you want to say? 468 00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:14,823 Thank you for joining us. 469 00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:16,992 I know this may seem-- 470 00:26:16,992 --> 00:26:18,785 Do you want to sit here? 471 00:26:18,785 --> 00:26:21,037 - I could sit on the-- - Is that okay? 472 00:26:22,539 --> 00:26:25,583 {\an8}Yeah, yeah. No, that's it. Just... 473 00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:30,171 {\an8}- Why don't you sit here? - I just wanted to mention 474 00:26:30,171 --> 00:26:33,717 when you were talking about the responsibility with the parents, 475 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:38,388 um, it came to the stage where Quentin's teeth 476 00:26:38,388 --> 00:26:43,268 were so far out and his jaw so far back, 477 00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:45,562 he couldn't possibly have been left like that. 478 00:26:45,562 --> 00:26:49,232 I had horrors that John Mew would drop down dead 479 00:26:49,232 --> 00:26:51,735 and he'd be like, "Ah, ah, ah." 480 00:26:51,735 --> 00:26:55,363 Yeah, so I couldn't really say, 481 00:26:55,363 --> 00:26:58,700 you know, "This is too much," because we were in it too deep. 482 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,995 But it was quite scary. It really was. 483 00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:04,748 Ooh. Yeah. 484 00:27:04,748 --> 00:27:06,791 So really, you're very lucky. 485 00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:08,793 Well, it could have all gone horribly wrong. 486 00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:09,919 - Yeah. - Yeah, true. 487 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,547 Could have been left with just the top. 488 00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:15,800 What's happened to their faces? 489 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,552 Well, you can see that Ben's face 490 00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:20,513 is slightly flatter and slightly longer, 491 00:27:20,513 --> 00:27:23,141 whereas Quentin has more forward growth, 492 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:26,478 which I think perhaps gives him a slightly better profile. 493 00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,730 Twin studies, does that ring a bell? 494 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:34,235 {\an8}John Mew actually doing a study on twins doesn't exist. 495 00:27:34,235 --> 00:27:36,571 {\an8}He worked with six sets of twins. 496 00:27:36,571 --> 00:27:40,283 Yes? Six sets of twins or six-- 497 00:27:40,283 --> 00:27:41,826 Yes, that's 12 people. 498 00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:47,415 Twelve patients does not a study make, ever. 499 00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:54,589 I used to be an academic orthodontist, and I started my career in London, 500 00:27:54,589 --> 00:27:56,674 which is actually where I met John Mew. 501 00:27:56,674 --> 00:28:00,136 I've known John Mew since the '60s. 502 00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:02,806 My first interaction with Dr. Mew-- 503 00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:05,725 why do I call him Dr. Mew? Mr. Mew-- 504 00:28:05,725 --> 00:28:09,229 was when I was at the London Hospital Medical School. 505 00:28:09,229 --> 00:28:11,398 I was in charge of the orthodontic department. 506 00:28:14,442 --> 00:28:17,362 And one of my jobs was to evaluate submissions 507 00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:19,989 for an essay competition. 508 00:28:19,989 --> 00:28:22,617 Mew put in his submission. 509 00:28:22,617 --> 00:28:27,163 It was just as bad as everything else he's written since. 510 00:28:27,163 --> 00:28:30,291 Uh, fanciful, no science, no nothing. 511 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:36,047 I remember it because it was a curious submission. 512 00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:40,552 It had two illustrations, and there were two fish tanks 513 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:43,471 with a bunch of trout in one of them 514 00:28:43,471 --> 00:28:46,558 and no trout in the other, okay? 515 00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:50,728 And the caption had something to do with the fact that, 516 00:28:50,728 --> 00:28:56,359 please observe how the trout's snout anatomy changed 517 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,779 because they were pressing their face against the glass 518 00:28:59,779 --> 00:29:01,406 of the fish tank. 519 00:29:01,406 --> 00:29:03,867 And so that was his argument, 520 00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:08,288 which I had to reject, because it had no science in it. 521 00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:10,290 So the next thing I know is he telephoned me 522 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:13,418 and wanted to come and see me at the London Hospital. 523 00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:19,215 And he accused me of suppressing his reality and his truth 524 00:29:19,215 --> 00:29:23,011 because I disagreed with his premises. 525 00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:26,139 I said, I don't disagree with your premise. 526 00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:28,850 I just disagree with crappy science. 527 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:34,189 I don't care who you are, you know? He didn't like to hear that either. 528 00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:47,535 It's never easy to change people's ideas, so I tried. 529 00:29:47,535 --> 00:29:50,038 I wrote papers. I gave meetings. 530 00:29:50,038 --> 00:29:53,583 I gave lectures. I had long chats with people. 531 00:29:53,583 --> 00:29:56,961 I'd pull people into a corner and browbeat them. 532 00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:59,339 You know, the usual things. 533 00:29:59,339 --> 00:30:02,509 I was just hoping to reason with people 534 00:30:02,509 --> 00:30:05,845 and they'd see the truth or the light, as I might say. 535 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,685 It's what every parent wants for their child, 536 00:30:12,685 --> 00:30:14,812 a perfect smile. 537 00:30:14,812 --> 00:30:17,690 But does that smile mask a hidden danger? 538 00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:22,821 I didn't push it 539 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:26,407 until a program called Dispatches. 540 00:30:29,702 --> 00:30:31,955 If my views were accepted, 541 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:34,958 orthodontics would have to change dramatically. 542 00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:39,254 And indeed, many people would either have to change the way they worked 543 00:30:39,254 --> 00:30:41,589 or give up doing orthodontics. 544 00:30:43,925 --> 00:30:48,263 But there's a clear comparison between us as twins in favor 545 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:50,431 of the orthodontistry method of Dr. Mew's, right? 546 00:30:50,431 --> 00:30:51,808 And how do you feel about that? 547 00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:55,395 In hindsight, I would have preferred to gone with Mr. Mew's method. 548 00:30:55,395 --> 00:30:58,439 That was on national television. 549 00:30:58,439 --> 00:31:01,693 And the next day, every single one 550 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:04,946 of the English national dailies 551 00:31:04,946 --> 00:31:09,909 had half or full-page articles on what I'd said. 552 00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:15,748 The orthodontists all thought that I behaved absolutely appallingly. 553 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:19,377 Essentially, I had been a traitor to the cause. 554 00:31:20,628 --> 00:31:23,256 And they said, "You'll shatter people's faith 555 00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:26,134 and make them think orthodontics is no good," 556 00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:29,262 which, in a way, was what I was trying to tell them anyway. 557 00:31:29,262 --> 00:31:30,972 From then on, 558 00:31:30,972 --> 00:31:34,434 I was always in conflict with orthodontics. 559 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,604 There was really no option, was there? 560 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:44,861 A leading London dentist claims current orthodontic methods 561 00:31:44,861 --> 00:31:47,906 sometimes straighten the teeth, but they then ruin the face. 562 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:51,284 That's at the center of a bitter row in the world of orthodontics. 563 00:31:51,284 --> 00:31:54,287 Can you see the two sharp spikes on that plate? 564 00:31:54,287 --> 00:31:56,581 Well, I got very angry. I looked at it. 565 00:31:56,581 --> 00:32:00,126 I could not believe someone could put that in a child's mouth. 566 00:32:00,126 --> 00:32:03,046 I'm accusing all the people who treat your way 567 00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:06,424 of ripping off the parents. And it's child abuse. 568 00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:10,720 I provide them appliance which is designed to hurt 569 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,472 if the child drops their jaw. 570 00:32:12,472 --> 00:32:16,267 You might call that child abuse. I would call it training. 571 00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:17,226 That's crap. 572 00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:23,566 The establishment were initially hoping that when he reached 573 00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:28,321 sort of the age of 60 or something, he would either retire or sort of mellow. 574 00:32:28,321 --> 00:32:30,782 Um, if anything, the opposite has happened. 575 00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:34,869 He was still poking the beast year after year after year. 576 00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:37,830 I've even been threatened with assault at meetings. 577 00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:41,626 People hate me with a depth that's really quite surprising. 578 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:45,964 I even went to the length of marching up and down 579 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:52,595 the principal medical area in London with a big sandwich board 580 00:32:52,595 --> 00:32:56,391 saying what I thought about orthodontics. 581 00:32:56,391 --> 00:32:58,434 It was words to the effect 582 00:32:58,434 --> 00:33:03,314 that orthodontics damages faces, which is true. 583 00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:12,782 On the cover of your book, you have the Galileo quote. 584 00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:15,660 Oh, yeah, "Eppur si muove." 585 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:19,414 Galileo said that in a loud whisper... 586 00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:24,794 ...as he turned his back on the Pope. 587 00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:27,338 And he very nearly lost his life for that. 588 00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:31,467 Essentially, he was talking about the world and the sun. 589 00:33:31,467 --> 00:33:33,845 He was saying the world moves. 590 00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:37,598 And I put the same phrase in relation to the jaws. 591 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:45,523 Of course, the orthodontists didn't quite see that. 592 00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:50,945 They saw it that I was treating patients in an improper way. 593 00:33:50,945 --> 00:33:55,366 So the orthodontists approached the General Dental Council, 594 00:33:55,366 --> 00:34:00,371 the authority which grants licenses in England, 595 00:34:00,371 --> 00:34:02,874 and said, "Look, this man's doing the wrong thing. 596 00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:04,667 We've got to stop him." 597 00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:06,502 So three years ago, 598 00:34:06,502 --> 00:34:10,423 I had my license to practice dentistry removed. 599 00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:14,427 They really felt they needed to strike him off 600 00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:17,013 in order to try and besmirch him. 601 00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:20,099 But I think possibly the biggest shock in store 602 00:34:20,099 --> 00:34:22,852 was that there simply wasn't just one Mew. 603 00:34:22,852 --> 00:34:25,396 There's--there's another one following in his footsteps. 604 00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:33,905 Mike, specifically, 605 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,741 has taken over the family business. 606 00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:38,326 - The mantle. - The mantle. 607 00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:39,368 The mantle, as Mom would say. 608 00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:41,954 I would say--I would say the sort of noose around the neck. 609 00:34:44,457 --> 00:34:46,959 - I love that. - He's taken on that big challenge. 610 00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:54,759 You know, you used to have, the plowman would do what his father did. 611 00:34:54,759 --> 00:34:57,136 You know, the plowman's son would become a plowman. 612 00:34:57,136 --> 00:34:59,305 And that became your universe. 613 00:34:59,305 --> 00:35:03,101 And in a way, what my father did became my universe. 614 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:05,228 And it was at a very young age, 615 00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:06,979 I decided I was gonna do this. 616 00:35:08,856 --> 00:35:11,901 Michael turned to me and said, "Rosie, 617 00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:14,487 I think I might slowly be turning into Dad." 618 00:35:14,487 --> 00:35:17,782 And I said, "What do you mean, 'turning into'? 619 00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:20,159 You've been there for about ten years already." 620 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:21,577 - There's been a Mini-Me. - Mini-Me. 621 00:35:21,577 --> 00:35:23,955 There's been a Mini-Me following in Dad's footsteps. 622 00:35:26,207 --> 00:35:29,585 He's not your average father. 623 00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:34,882 Few people have fathers like I do. 624 00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:39,470 You know, he is just a-- you know, he's an inspiration. 625 00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:45,601 Bye. 626 00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:52,483 Seeing my father being attacked and criticized 627 00:35:52,483 --> 00:35:56,863 has been one of the things that's driven me forwards. 628 00:35:56,863 --> 00:36:00,825 It just makes your blood boil... 629 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:07,123 'cause I've seen my father just be destroyed. 630 00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:10,543 Reverse, reverse, reverse. Full throttle. Full throttle. 631 00:36:15,047 --> 00:36:18,509 I didn't think that I could study orthodontics 632 00:36:18,509 --> 00:36:20,469 in the UK because 633 00:36:20,469 --> 00:36:23,139 everyone so vehemently disagrees with my father. 634 00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:25,808 And that's one of the reasons I went to Denmark. 635 00:36:25,808 --> 00:36:29,312 I chose Denmark, being, you know, one of the top orthodontic programs 636 00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:30,354 on the planet. 637 00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:34,859 But I just, you know, I shudder at what they were teaching me at times. 638 00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:36,319 Just lift the chair up for you. 639 00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:37,862 - That feel okay? - That's fine. 640 00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:39,989 For about 20 years, 641 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:43,743 I worked side by side with my father at least one day a week. 642 00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:47,914 The timer has now failed on the stage four. 643 00:36:47,914 --> 00:36:50,333 We want Thea wearing it 12 hours a day. 644 00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,084 She forgot her appliance. 645 00:36:52,084 --> 00:36:54,545 And it's quite apparent she's only wearing it at night. 646 00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:57,632 We have two chairs literally in the same room, 647 00:36:57,632 --> 00:37:00,760 chatting with him about life, the times, and everything. 648 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,805 And I just have nothing but happy memories of that. 649 00:37:04,805 --> 00:37:07,183 Then I took over and it sort of became my clinic. 650 00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:10,603 I literally thought this would never go anywhere, 651 00:37:10,603 --> 00:37:13,606 but I couldn't bear to do conventional orthodontics 652 00:37:13,606 --> 00:37:17,818 where I felt I was damaging people's faces and health. 653 00:37:17,818 --> 00:37:22,240 Orthotropics is what I was born to do. 654 00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,051 Very good for you, yogurt. 655 00:37:42,051 --> 00:37:45,137 Well, this is what everyone says-- Or what they were saying. 656 00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:47,640 And all of a sudden, apparently yogurt is not good for you anymore, 657 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,227 and it's full of sugar. 658 00:37:51,227 --> 00:37:52,270 Yes, I... 659 00:37:54,981 --> 00:38:01,028 I swallow the description that it's full of the right bacteria. 660 00:38:01,028 --> 00:38:04,156 When you consider the state of our knowledge, 661 00:38:04,156 --> 00:38:05,783 I think it's abysmal. 662 00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:08,035 How are we getting on with the omelet? 663 00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:10,830 I'm wondering whether to have some shredded wheat or not. 664 00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:13,499 Well, I think-- I think we are almost omelet-ready. 665 00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:17,837 There we go, sir. 666 00:38:17,837 --> 00:38:20,006 - Fantastic. - Your omelet. 667 00:38:21,048 --> 00:38:23,092 You're very good with omelets. 668 00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:26,887 Whenever I do them, they're either too wet or too dry. 669 00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:33,477 There's a very odd smell coming from your fridge. 670 00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:37,815 Some milk has drained into your smoked haddock, Dad. 671 00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:43,904 You put cheese in it, didn't you? 672 00:38:43,904 --> 00:38:46,532 - I know. - Which is lovely, but of course, 673 00:38:46,532 --> 00:38:48,492 it's become very stringy. 674 00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:55,666 Dad's done all of this great stuff, come up with all these great ideas. 675 00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:58,878 But no one knew about it. And I knew in orthotropics 676 00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:00,171 there was something interesting. 677 00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:03,841 Almost anyone I have a conversation with is fascinated with this. 678 00:39:03,841 --> 00:39:09,305 And yet here we have this really dry topic that I couldn't get out there. 679 00:39:09,305 --> 00:39:12,892 But my father's been trying for 30, 40 years, if not more, 680 00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:15,311 and he's not made-- got this idea out. 681 00:39:15,311 --> 00:39:16,729 And now we've got social media. 682 00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:22,693 And my bet here is that social media is going to somehow give us wings. 683 00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:25,196 {\an8}If you can't breathe out of your nose, 684 00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:32,495 {\an8}you're forced to either die or breathe out of your mouth. 685 00:39:33,704 --> 00:39:36,582 We were just throwing things out there, 686 00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:37,917 throwing anything we could. 687 00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:43,839 Did Brad Pitt have a stronger jawline in the past? 688 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:45,091 This way. 689 00:39:45,091 --> 00:39:48,260 And it was really a scattergun approach 690 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:51,639 to see if we could get people interested in what we were doing. 691 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,101 I now have 14 sticks of chewing gum in my mouth 692 00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:56,394 all at one time. 693 00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,938 {\an8}As this occurs, it narrows, 694 00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:03,776 {\an8}and asymmetries automatically accumulate. 695 00:40:03,776 --> 00:40:05,027 Is that comfortable, Tasha? 696 00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:11,617 It was my objective to get something to go viral. 697 00:40:11,617 --> 00:40:13,702 You just hold that eye contact, 698 00:40:13,702 --> 00:40:16,288 you know, with a cheeky smile on your face. 699 00:40:16,288 --> 00:40:20,417 Eye contact with a cheeky smile, that's magical for a girl. 700 00:40:22,086 --> 00:40:25,214 Someone saw one of my videos, thought that was interesting, 701 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:27,466 and I was just asked to give a lecture 702 00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:33,139 at a conference called the 21 Conference, I think, something like that. 703 00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:34,849 We're in good hands. Let's welcome Mike. 704 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,479 It was the type of thing that if I'd done proper research, 705 00:40:40,479 --> 00:40:41,689 I'd have never done. 706 00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:44,275 I teach seduction for life. 707 00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:47,945 I am so bored and sick of teaching people how to walk up and stare at girls 708 00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:49,822 and stop them and go, "Hello." 709 00:40:49,822 --> 00:40:52,241 If you like women and you want to have sex with women and date them-- 710 00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:53,742 Who likes girls? Put your hands up real quick, 711 00:40:53,742 --> 00:40:55,077 all the people who like women. All right. 712 00:40:55,077 --> 00:40:57,830 Of course, a lot of them, I showed how to have their first orgasm. 713 00:40:57,830 --> 00:40:59,373 It was great, you know. 714 00:40:59,373 --> 00:41:01,167 They'll--they'll be real thankful for that. 715 00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:03,461 What gives you a good face? 716 00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:10,551 I know that I look better now than I did ten years ago. 717 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,555 Because I've made a concerted effort 718 00:41:14,555 --> 00:41:16,724 to get my tongue on the roof of my mouth... 719 00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:20,436 and chew more, a bit more chewing gum. 720 00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:21,604 That really is the thing. 721 00:41:22,521 --> 00:41:26,400 After that, we noticed people talking about me 722 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,861 and talking about these exercises I presented. 723 00:41:28,861 --> 00:41:32,531 If I could plug you in like they do in Matrix 724 00:41:32,531 --> 00:41:35,159 and upload a good tongue function pattern, 725 00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,996 I think I could get you all to grow fantastically. 726 00:41:40,664 --> 00:41:44,126 We were monitoring my name on the internet. 727 00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:46,837 We then found a few alerts went out 728 00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:49,924 on a forum called SlutHate. 729 00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:55,638 And it was this world of incels that I really didn't know much about. 730 00:42:10,569 --> 00:42:13,948 People were talking about that lecture I'd given 731 00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:17,952 and what they could do to improve themselves. 732 00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:21,622 So I gave some responses. 733 00:42:21,622 --> 00:42:22,790 Hi. 734 00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:27,378 Thank you for quite a lot of interest from a number of forums, 735 00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:32,466 in particular, a forum I'm responding to here 736 00:42:32,466 --> 00:42:35,844 called "SlutHate," as it happens. 737 00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:42,935 The first response came from IncelExecutioner. 738 00:42:42,935 --> 00:42:45,354 I do love some of the names you've got here. 739 00:42:45,354 --> 00:42:50,025 BetaGayFace, you asked about face pulling. 740 00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:52,778 A question from Kushmaster. 741 00:42:52,778 --> 00:42:56,574 And then final one, um, Yul Brynner. 742 00:42:58,701 --> 00:43:01,620 Why did I engage with them, and why did I respond to that? 743 00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:03,747 I guess it's an instinctive thing 744 00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:05,541 to get the information out there to help people. 745 00:43:06,542 --> 00:43:07,960 Most people go through this period of time. 746 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,336 I went through this period of time 747 00:43:09,336 --> 00:43:13,632 when I was a young teenager and I felt gawky and awkward 748 00:43:13,632 --> 00:43:15,009 and I couldn't chat a girl up. 749 00:43:15,009 --> 00:43:16,635 I couldn't-- you know, it was quite difficult. 750 00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:25,811 I can understand this group of people 751 00:43:25,811 --> 00:43:29,440 gravitated to orthotropics because, in essence, 752 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,734 this was a sort of secret 753 00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:33,819 that had never been divulged to them before 754 00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:36,739 that was the answer to all of their problems. 755 00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:39,742 I'm literally turning-- yes, I'm turning the dweeb to a Chad. 756 00:43:41,118 --> 00:43:43,203 Yes, we engaged-- I engaged on SlutHate, 757 00:43:44,413 --> 00:43:47,374 which is one of those things, again, if anyone asks you, 758 00:43:47,374 --> 00:43:49,877 never go and engage with people on this sort of thing. 759 00:43:49,877 --> 00:43:53,255 But science isn't PC. 760 00:43:53,255 --> 00:43:55,341 Science is as you find it. 761 00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:57,718 But, you know, I'd have done a deal with the devil to get this across. 762 00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,636 We've been overwhelmed in response 763 00:43:59,636 --> 00:44:01,430 and interest from people. 764 00:44:03,307 --> 00:44:05,309 It was just--it was a revelation to me. 765 00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,478 It was really just nice. 766 00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:09,730 It was nice to actually have an audience 767 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:11,315 who wanted to listen to you 768 00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:14,526 rather than the door being closed at every opportunity. 769 00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:20,240 I didn't really cognitively think ahead of what was happening. 770 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,701 But I could see this thing growing. 771 00:44:22,701 --> 00:44:27,122 All of a sudden, it was like Pandora's box had been opened. 772 00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:33,337 That exercise is called mewing, 773 00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:36,840 and it's supposed to give you more defined and sculpted jawline. 774 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,510 Here is an example of a before and an after. 775 00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:42,930 You can see that her jawline is more defined. 776 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:45,974 All you have to do is place your tongue on the roof of your mouth, 777 00:44:45,974 --> 00:44:47,559 and then you just close your lips. 778 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,186 In this video, I will be telling you 779 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:52,064 how long it takes to see results from mewing. 780 00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:53,440 This is Joey. 781 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,442 He heard about a technique called mewing, 782 00:44:55,442 --> 00:44:57,528 which is the proper posture of the tongue. 783 00:44:57,528 --> 00:45:02,116 Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. 784 00:45:02,116 --> 00:45:05,035 {\an8}In the long run, it's actually shown to improve your face bone structure. 785 00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:07,830 I was not expecting the mewing thing. 786 00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:10,124 {\an8}That's not what I expected to happen. 787 00:45:10,124 --> 00:45:14,753 {\an8}This really sort of academic, medical, 788 00:45:14,753 --> 00:45:18,340 {\an8}dry, difficult to understand complex of orthotropics 789 00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:20,008 {\an8}that we'd struggled to get out there 790 00:45:20,008 --> 00:45:22,344 {\an8}suddenly became sexy. 791 00:45:22,344 --> 00:45:26,265 {\an8}In yoga, just imagining, like, the cat's back rounded, 792 00:45:26,265 --> 00:45:27,558 that's your tongue, like, rounded out. 793 00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:28,600 Ah. 794 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,312 I've been amazed at what's been occurring recently. 795 00:45:32,312 --> 00:45:36,066 I'm wondering when my surname became a verb. 796 00:45:36,066 --> 00:45:39,653 M-E-W-I-N-G, mewing. 797 00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:40,612 Mewing has changed my life. 798 00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:43,240 What's up, guys? It's Tomazzo here. 799 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,952 {\an8}I look better. I'm healthier. I'm fitter. 800 00:45:46,952 --> 00:45:48,954 But having strong jaw muscles is also important 801 00:45:48,954 --> 00:45:51,123 because it makes your face look much better, 802 00:45:51,123 --> 00:45:52,541 even for girls too. 803 00:45:52,541 --> 00:45:55,461 It kind of fixed everything. It just didn't fix one or two things. 804 00:45:55,461 --> 00:45:58,088 It's revolutionary. It's gonna transform the world, 805 00:45:58,088 --> 00:45:59,548 like, maybe, probably. 806 00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:05,762 If you want to develop a healthier face, 807 00:46:05,762 --> 00:46:09,475 if you want to fulfill your genetic potential, 808 00:46:09,475 --> 00:46:11,643 identify it, work on it, 809 00:46:11,643 --> 00:46:14,646 feel that posture a third of the time. 810 00:46:14,646 --> 00:46:18,275 I've got so many kids who are being forced through orthodontics by their parents. 811 00:46:18,275 --> 00:46:20,027 Mm. 812 00:46:20,027 --> 00:46:22,488 All of a sudden, the idea of mewing 813 00:46:22,488 --> 00:46:26,867 was just this antidote to all of that. 814 00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:30,621 And also, it resonated with "good looks." 815 00:46:36,251 --> 00:46:38,420 {\an8}Mewing is not cat. 816 00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:40,130 {\an8}Mew. It's not cat. 817 00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:42,549 {\an8}It's the correct tongue posture. 818 00:46:42,549 --> 00:46:45,594 Tongue is up and flat. 819 00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:48,222 On the soft palate like a trampoline. 820 00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:49,556 - Hi. - Hi. Excited to meet you. 821 00:46:49,556 --> 00:46:50,641 {\an8}- How are you? - My name's Koko. 822 00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:51,600 {\an8}I'm Kim. 823 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,768 {\an8}Thank you so much for coming. 824 00:46:52,768 --> 00:46:54,269 - Scott. - It's good to meet you. Koko. 825 00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:56,063 - Hi, how are you? - Thank you. 826 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:58,440 Have you done any face exercise 827 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,442 - or face yoga or anything like that? - No. 828 00:47:00,442 --> 00:47:03,070 Mm. 829 00:47:08,367 --> 00:47:11,787 Mewing is a huge part of our method, face yoga. 830 00:47:11,787 --> 00:47:14,414 Mike Mew is like a legendary doctor 831 00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:15,666 in our community. 832 00:47:15,666 --> 00:47:17,501 He's like our god. 833 00:47:18,168 --> 00:47:19,378 If you want to get freaked out, 834 00:47:19,378 --> 00:47:22,172 type "Mike Mew is God" into the internet and hashtags. 835 00:47:22,172 --> 00:47:23,632 {\an8}Oh, gosh, it freaks me out. 836 00:47:23,632 --> 00:47:26,552 {\an8}Like, I mean, yes, I've become a messiah to people. 837 00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:28,345 {\an8}You do have a very good jawline. 838 00:47:28,345 --> 00:47:29,596 I tell you what. 839 00:47:29,596 --> 00:47:30,847 Yeah, you see? 840 00:47:30,847 --> 00:47:32,516 My goodness, me. 841 00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:36,228 And there came a point 842 00:47:36,228 --> 00:47:38,021 when I actually thought to myself, 843 00:47:38,021 --> 00:47:42,359 "Look, we've got the chance of going around the system." 844 00:47:44,111 --> 00:47:45,320 I believe Mike Mew, 845 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,906 - who I actually had on my podcast-- - Mewing. 846 00:47:47,906 --> 00:47:49,074 Yeah, mewing, exactly. 847 00:47:49,074 --> 00:47:51,368 Mike Mew, I think has cracked the case. 848 00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:52,786 {\an8}That is crazy. Is that real? 849 00:47:52,786 --> 00:47:54,079 {\an8}- Yes. - Yeah, yeah. 850 00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,373 {\an8}- She has like this little tiny ass jaw, - That is real. 851 00:47:56,373 --> 00:47:57,916 {\an8}and then she developed a real normal one. 852 00:47:57,916 --> 00:47:59,293 {\an8}Yeah. 853 00:47:59,293 --> 00:48:00,752 {\an8}Victor Hugo said, 854 00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:05,716 "No army can stop an idea whose time has come." 855 00:48:05,716 --> 00:48:08,051 You can't put the genie back in the bottle. 856 00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:10,178 And I don't care whether this came out of SlutHate. 857 00:48:10,178 --> 00:48:13,223 I don't care whether this came through the British Orthodontic Society. 858 00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:16,977 It came, and it became popular. 859 00:48:16,977 --> 00:48:19,187 And now we can be on to the proper challenge 860 00:48:19,187 --> 00:48:21,940 of scientific engagement, the next step. 861 00:48:28,155 --> 00:48:31,658 {\an8}For me, the ancestral movement is this return 862 00:48:31,658 --> 00:48:34,911 {\an8}to how our Paleolithic ancestors lived, 863 00:48:34,911 --> 00:48:37,205 moved, and ate, and just understanding 864 00:48:37,205 --> 00:48:39,833 that the more we emulate how they sat 865 00:48:39,833 --> 00:48:41,835 and squatted and kind of moved, 866 00:48:41,835 --> 00:48:43,712 the healthier we became. 867 00:48:43,712 --> 00:48:45,631 And that's what this whole symposium is about. 868 00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:46,923 It's the ancestral health movement. 869 00:48:46,923 --> 00:48:50,594 {\an8}Next movement is the crawl, just like a baby would crawl 870 00:48:50,594 --> 00:48:51,887 {\an8}except the knees don't touch. 871 00:48:52,763 --> 00:48:54,181 I've been on a personal journey 872 00:48:54,181 --> 00:48:56,600 in trying to reverse what's happened to me. 873 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,935 My journey was a little bit more invasive. 874 00:49:01,521 --> 00:49:04,816 It's called a transpalatal distractor, 875 00:49:04,816 --> 00:49:06,234 and it was surgically installed. 876 00:49:06,234 --> 00:49:08,987 And I turn that device every other day 877 00:49:08,987 --> 00:49:10,656 to widen my upper arch. 878 00:49:11,823 --> 00:49:14,910 Doctor's goal is to make my nasal cavity wider 879 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:16,495 so I can breathe at night. 880 00:49:16,495 --> 00:49:20,082 Before this, I could not breathe through my nose at all. 881 00:49:20,082 --> 00:49:21,625 I didn't have any idea why. 882 00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:25,045 I was just, like, going into research wormholes, confused. 883 00:49:25,045 --> 00:49:28,715 I had no idea what was happening to me until I discovered mewing. 884 00:49:32,678 --> 00:49:34,554 So understanding craniofacial dystrophy, 885 00:49:34,554 --> 00:49:36,973 as Mike Mew calls it, helped me understand 886 00:49:36,973 --> 00:49:38,934 what happened to me. 887 00:49:38,934 --> 00:49:43,146 Incorporating his philosophy is curing my sleep apnea. 888 00:49:43,146 --> 00:49:46,358 It's literally, like, saving my life. 889 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:49,736 Personally, I find him to be like an idol, like someone who's championing the truth 890 00:49:49,736 --> 00:49:51,863 right now in the scientific world 891 00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:53,907 where it's really hard to come up with new ideas. 892 00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:58,370 All right, this is starting to feel a bit like the Oscars. 893 00:49:58,370 --> 00:50:01,206 We've got a superstar coming up right now, 894 00:50:01,206 --> 00:50:04,876 {\an8}none other than Dr. Mike Mew. He's an orthodontist from London 895 00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:09,172 {\an8}and an expert in oral posture and rehabilitation. 896 00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:11,717 He's here to discuss how the way in which 897 00:50:11,717 --> 00:50:15,804 we hold our mouths affects how our faces will grow, 898 00:50:15,804 --> 00:50:18,140 how we'll breathe, and more. 899 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:21,893 What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to start pulling everyone together 900 00:50:21,893 --> 00:50:26,815 to make this movement. And I've never done that before. 901 00:50:26,815 --> 00:50:28,400 I don't quite know what to do. 902 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,737 This is the biggest disease you've all got that you don't know about. 903 00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:34,823 Because it's in your face. It is your face. 904 00:50:34,823 --> 00:50:39,077 You know, you don't want to admit this. It's uncomfortable to admit it. 905 00:50:39,077 --> 00:50:41,496 You're all affected. You're all deformed. 906 00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:45,250 You know, we've never really had this, 907 00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:48,420 where a group of people come together, 908 00:50:49,796 --> 00:50:50,839 fomented on the internet. 909 00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:52,758 You know, we had the Arab Spring where people-- 910 00:50:52,758 --> 00:50:54,760 the social media helped get people together 911 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,304 as a cohesive group to gain change. 912 00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:58,388 Um... 913 00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:02,517 now I want to try and do the same thing in medicine, 914 00:51:02,517 --> 00:51:05,896 you know, by the people, for the people type of thing. 915 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:08,732 And what we really need is a revolution. 916 00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:12,152 Many of you here will be affected by the problems I'm saying, 917 00:51:12,152 --> 00:51:16,198 you know, forward head posture, snoring, sleep apnea. 918 00:51:17,616 --> 00:51:21,411 My father's focus on facial beauty 919 00:51:21,411 --> 00:51:24,539 has definitely held this whole science back, 920 00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:28,376 and there is no real way around that. 921 00:51:28,376 --> 00:51:31,588 He goes full on, full throttle to beauty. 922 00:51:31,588 --> 00:51:34,925 And I think that harms his message. 923 00:51:35,884 --> 00:51:38,804 People seem to care so much more about how they look 924 00:51:38,804 --> 00:51:39,930 than how healthy they are. 925 00:51:41,181 --> 00:51:43,517 But if I can use that to get people to be healthier, 926 00:51:43,517 --> 00:51:45,352 then great. I'll do what I want. 927 00:51:45,352 --> 00:51:47,813 If your face didn't grow well, 928 00:51:48,522 --> 00:51:51,733 you may be looking ugly. 929 00:51:52,651 --> 00:51:56,154 That is your fault, and that may well have 930 00:51:56,154 --> 00:51:58,240 significant health implications. 931 00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,407 You know? 932 00:51:59,407 --> 00:52:01,451 I'm saying don't be happy with where you are. 933 00:52:02,536 --> 00:52:04,704 Get off your ass and change. 934 00:52:04,704 --> 00:52:08,208 And, Mike, how about for craniofacial dystrophy, 935 00:52:08,208 --> 00:52:09,459 what can we do right now? 936 00:52:09,459 --> 00:52:11,711 What can everyone in this room do right now 937 00:52:11,711 --> 00:52:12,838 to help reverse this? 938 00:52:12,838 --> 00:52:15,340 Stand up straight and shut your mouth. 939 00:52:16,424 --> 00:52:19,052 Speaking of chewing, it's lunchtime, everybody. 940 00:52:19,052 --> 00:52:24,474 So thank you very much for coming. Thank you to the entire panel. 941 00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:47,163 Michael gets upset with me because I talk a lot 942 00:52:47,163 --> 00:52:50,458 about facial appearance and attractiveness. 943 00:52:50,458 --> 00:52:53,628 He says that that is counterproductive 944 00:52:53,628 --> 00:52:57,090 to the idea of promoting orthotropics. 945 00:52:57,090 --> 00:52:58,884 I say nonsense. 946 00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:03,013 Anybody can make themselves really good-looking 947 00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:07,392 if they try, well, certainly by the age of ten. 948 00:53:11,229 --> 00:53:13,273 As a five-year-old, 949 00:53:13,273 --> 00:53:15,317 I had a beautifully shaped face. 950 00:53:15,317 --> 00:53:18,737 Lovely, round, a bit square. Very attractive. 951 00:53:18,737 --> 00:53:21,448 But at the age of nine, 952 00:53:21,448 --> 00:53:24,075 I started to leave my mouth open. 953 00:53:24,659 --> 00:53:29,664 And the whole shape of my face changed really quite dramatically. 954 00:53:29,664 --> 00:53:34,920 And I can remember going from being a square-faced boy to a long-faced boy. 955 00:53:37,881 --> 00:53:41,551 I do remember one girl I rather fancied saying, 956 00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:45,221 "You know, the boy with the long face," referring to me. 957 00:53:45,221 --> 00:53:48,016 So yes, people did notice. 958 00:53:48,016 --> 00:53:51,144 But I've always been a fairly lively individual. 959 00:53:51,144 --> 00:53:55,357 Therefore, I don't think that it handicapped me that much. 960 00:53:55,357 --> 00:53:58,485 But it did mean I didn't get the pretty girls. 961 00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:06,618 Your face is your fortune, without the slightest doubt. 962 00:54:08,244 --> 00:54:11,623 Good-looking people have all the advantages. 963 00:54:12,916 --> 00:54:15,627 {\an8}This was a drawing 964 00:54:15,627 --> 00:54:19,297 {\an8}that I asked a professional artist 965 00:54:19,297 --> 00:54:25,470 {\an8}to make for me to represent what I thought was a truly beautiful face. 966 00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:28,223 I sent it back to the painter, 967 00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:31,393 I would think, ten times, saying, 968 00:54:31,393 --> 00:54:33,603 "Please alter this, please alter that." 969 00:54:33,603 --> 00:54:36,314 {\an8}And I'm still not really happy with it. 970 00:54:36,314 --> 00:54:39,109 I really believe that in our mind, 971 00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:42,821 imprinted in our subconscious, 972 00:54:42,821 --> 00:54:45,073 we know exactly 973 00:54:45,073 --> 00:54:47,325 what the perfect face looks like. 974 00:54:47,325 --> 00:54:51,371 And we know within one or two millimeters. 975 00:54:52,163 --> 00:54:54,124 And we actually measure that. 976 00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:56,292 We have an instrument 977 00:54:56,292 --> 00:54:59,671 which we call an indicator ruler. 978 00:54:59,671 --> 00:55:01,131 Very simple. 979 00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:04,801 And you put this bit there under your teeth like that. 980 00:55:05,969 --> 00:55:08,763 And then you touch your nose. 981 00:55:08,763 --> 00:55:11,599 I would say this part of my face 982 00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:14,936 is probably that much too far back. 983 00:55:14,936 --> 00:55:16,813 Twenty, twenty-five millimeters. 984 00:55:16,813 --> 00:55:19,024 That's a huge measurement. 985 00:55:19,024 --> 00:55:22,110 - These 20 millimeters... - Yes. 986 00:55:22,110 --> 00:55:24,112 What difference have they made in your life? 987 00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:27,407 Um, I-- I would have been good-looking. 988 00:55:41,629 --> 00:55:45,133 {\an8}Don't underestimate the long-term effects 989 00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:46,968 {\an8}of gaining habits. 990 00:55:46,968 --> 00:55:51,222 {\an8}And it's very difficult to enthuse children-- 991 00:55:51,222 --> 00:55:54,976 Elbows off the table, Jessica. Elbows off. Elbows off. 992 00:55:54,976 --> 00:55:55,935 Good girl. 993 00:55:57,062 --> 00:56:01,858 Enthuse children at an older age to change deeply ingrained habits. 994 00:56:01,858 --> 00:56:05,153 And a habit learned at this age 995 00:56:05,153 --> 00:56:08,865 can become a lifetime's change. 996 00:56:09,949 --> 00:56:11,034 Elbows off the table. 997 00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:14,829 There. There we go. Lips together. 998 00:56:15,663 --> 00:56:17,290 Michael is a little bit-- 999 00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:19,542 {\an8}he's a little bit strange. 1000 00:56:19,542 --> 00:56:22,003 {\an8}And we're all strange in some ways. 1001 00:56:22,003 --> 00:56:26,174 {\an8}But, um, I do take him as he is. 1002 00:56:26,174 --> 00:56:28,676 And I'm fine with it, you know? 1003 00:56:28,676 --> 00:56:30,637 Yeah, it's perfect, Milla. 1004 00:56:30,637 --> 00:56:33,640 I couldn't have met someone more perfect than you, 1005 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:34,891 - you know, honestly. - No way. 1006 00:56:34,891 --> 00:56:36,643 - Yeah, no, honestly. - No one better than me? 1007 00:56:36,643 --> 00:56:38,103 No, no, no, no, you're right. 1008 00:56:40,271 --> 00:56:44,776 He said to me straightaway, um, "You have nice teeth." 1009 00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:49,697 - That's okay. - Yeah. 1010 00:56:50,365 --> 00:56:51,407 Yeah, it's a good line. 1011 00:56:52,659 --> 00:56:53,535 Mm. 1012 00:56:54,202 --> 00:56:55,120 Oh, you're both chewing. 1013 00:56:56,579 --> 00:56:59,124 - Yeah. For later. - You're a gum-chewing family. 1014 00:56:59,124 --> 00:57:00,583 - Yes, we try and force it - Yeah. 1015 00:57:00,583 --> 00:57:01,709 on the kids, as well. 1016 00:57:04,254 --> 00:57:05,505 Okay, here's a gravy. 1017 00:57:05,505 --> 00:57:07,340 Don't lean on the table, just serve it. 1018 00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:12,053 Daddy, today I had a chocolate pudding for lunch. 1019 00:57:12,053 --> 00:57:15,223 You had a chocolate pancake for pudding for lunch today? 1020 00:57:15,223 --> 00:57:16,766 - Dear me. - Chocolate inside. 1021 00:57:16,766 --> 00:57:19,060 - Lucky girl, eh? - Lucky girl. 1022 00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:21,521 Yeah, what is that school feeding you, eh? 1023 00:57:21,521 --> 00:57:23,898 - No, not school. - No, it's Mummy, actually. 1024 00:57:23,898 --> 00:57:25,859 - It was Mummy, was it? - It's the lunch box, yeah. 1025 00:57:25,859 --> 00:57:27,193 Oh, yeah, right, the lunch box. 1026 00:57:36,703 --> 00:57:38,830 - Lips closed. - Don't speak with your mouth full. 1027 00:57:40,206 --> 00:57:41,457 Lips together, Zarina. 1028 00:57:42,709 --> 00:57:44,836 Lips together. I can see the kale sticking out your mouth. 1029 00:57:51,468 --> 00:57:56,598 Personal vlog, September the 25th, 2018. 1030 00:57:57,932 --> 00:58:01,436 {\an8}I have been expelled from the British Orthodontic Society. 1031 00:58:03,354 --> 00:58:05,648 {\an8}The decision was unanimous. 1032 00:58:05,648 --> 00:58:09,360 And to quote a paragraph from the decision, 1033 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,280 "Having listened to what you had to say 1034 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,658 and having considered the matter in full, 1035 00:58:15,658 --> 00:58:20,580 the unanimous decision of the board is that, in our opinion, 1036 00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:24,167 your conduct is contrary to the interests of the society." 1037 00:58:25,168 --> 00:58:28,421 Now, they all went on to say 1038 00:58:28,421 --> 00:58:30,215 that they felt the social media campaign 1039 00:58:30,215 --> 00:58:35,595 that I've run seems to demonstrate an unhealthy obsession with publicity 1040 00:58:35,595 --> 00:58:37,513 to the detriment of patients. 1041 00:58:37,513 --> 00:58:41,184 Um, now, I don't want to be taken into a dark corner 1042 00:58:41,184 --> 00:58:43,353 and mugged quietly. 1043 00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:54,447 What I would really like to do is just get someone to engage in debate. 1044 00:58:54,447 --> 00:58:55,865 So I want to go along 1045 00:58:55,865 --> 00:58:58,952 to the British Orthodontic Society Conference. 1046 00:58:58,952 --> 00:59:01,621 It's the big conference of orthodontics. 1047 00:59:05,583 --> 00:59:06,793 If I had to give you 1048 00:59:06,793 --> 00:59:09,504 one word about how I feel just now about being at conference again 1049 00:59:09,504 --> 00:59:11,464 in Manchester and seeing everybody, 1050 00:59:11,464 --> 00:59:14,050 I think that it's summed up in the word "giddy." 1051 00:59:19,597 --> 00:59:22,600 I think one of the biggest problems 1052 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,479 is that lots and lots of patients 1053 00:59:26,479 --> 00:59:29,607 who have heard about me or seen my videos online 1054 00:59:29,607 --> 00:59:31,442 are asking difficult questions 1055 00:59:31,442 --> 00:59:33,569 the orthodontists can't answer. 1056 00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:36,864 The closer we get to Manchester, 1057 00:59:36,864 --> 00:59:39,492 the closer we get to the British Orthodontic Society, 1058 00:59:39,492 --> 00:59:42,912 the more scared I get. 1059 00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:44,414 You know, there's no other word. 1060 00:59:44,414 --> 00:59:47,083 You know, it's just-- 1061 00:59:47,083 --> 00:59:49,252 It's really hard to do this. 1062 00:59:49,252 --> 00:59:50,878 It's really, really hard. 1063 01:00:04,267 --> 01:00:08,771 You know, I've never had a full scientific discussion 1064 01:00:08,771 --> 01:00:11,274 or engagement with any orthodontist, 1065 01:00:11,274 --> 01:00:14,944 probably ever in my life, never. You know, and I think that's a shame. 1066 01:00:15,945 --> 01:00:18,406 I would imagine that most people at this conference 1067 01:00:18,406 --> 01:00:21,868 would describe me as a charlatan. 1068 01:00:21,868 --> 01:00:23,244 I think they probably think 1069 01:00:23,244 --> 01:00:25,622 I'm a bit stupid and a bit mad. 1070 01:00:27,332 --> 01:00:32,670 I mean, just wake up. You know, actually read a bloody paper. 1071 01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:34,714 Actually ask yourself the question. 1072 01:00:34,714 --> 01:00:38,676 You did blindly follow the orthodontist 'cause they're your mates. 1073 01:00:38,676 --> 01:00:41,512 Yeah, actually do what you were trained to do 1074 01:00:41,512 --> 01:00:43,222 and look at the basic evidence. 1075 01:00:44,098 --> 01:00:45,516 You know, you go into the lion's den. 1076 01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:46,517 That's where I'm going now. 1077 01:01:04,786 --> 01:01:09,248 I, un, I got a sense, and by a sense, I mean a number of emails 1078 01:01:09,248 --> 01:01:11,334 from Nigel Harradine, 1079 01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:14,212 - Yeah. - who was the head of the BSSO. 1080 01:01:14,212 --> 01:01:15,588 - Now the BOS. - Yeah. 1081 01:01:15,588 --> 01:01:19,801 And he-- What came across was a real Mew fatigue. 1082 01:01:19,801 --> 01:01:22,387 {\an8}The vast body of orthodontists in this country 1083 01:01:22,387 --> 01:01:25,556 {\an8}who are well trained who go on courses 1084 01:01:25,556 --> 01:01:27,517 {\an8}who read the literature and keep up, 1085 01:01:27,517 --> 01:01:30,353 they're basing their practice on the best available evidence. 1086 01:01:30,353 --> 01:01:33,481 And some people just like to perhaps feel 1087 01:01:33,481 --> 01:01:35,191 that they are slightly crying in the wilderness. 1088 01:01:35,191 --> 01:01:36,901 He used a few terms. 1089 01:01:36,901 --> 01:01:40,029 "The science falls on their completely deaf ears," 1090 01:01:40,029 --> 01:01:43,032 and, "They are an ancient fossil with no adherents," 1091 01:01:43,032 --> 01:01:46,035 and, "Irrelevant noisy fringe," 1092 01:01:46,035 --> 01:01:47,578 and, "What they're selling is a scam." 1093 01:01:47,578 --> 01:01:48,538 Right. 1094 01:01:48,538 --> 01:01:52,291 I totally agree with every word you've just cited. 1095 01:01:52,291 --> 01:01:55,503 What I disagree with is that somebody as important 1096 01:01:55,503 --> 01:01:59,173 as a former head of the British Society for Orthodontics, 1097 01:01:59,173 --> 01:02:05,221 it's not enough to say, "I'm sick of hearing Mewisms." 1098 01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:07,682 What he should be doing is use the scientific method 1099 01:02:07,682 --> 01:02:10,143 and say why it's rubbish. 1100 01:02:10,143 --> 01:02:12,270 Point out what's wrong with the Mews 1101 01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:15,523 and how the Mews have the responsibility 1102 01:02:15,523 --> 01:02:20,069 to prove that what they're saying has some merit, scientific merit. 1103 01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:23,239 The Orthodontic Society is not doing it. 1104 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:25,950 And I suspect the reason that they're not doing it 1105 01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:29,537 is because some of the things that orthodontists do 1106 01:02:29,537 --> 01:02:35,251 are equally culpable, equally without foundation. 1107 01:02:38,463 --> 01:02:43,426 One has to look back at the last modern century 1108 01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:44,719 of orthodontic practice 1109 01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:47,388 to fully understand the business. 1110 01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:55,021 Edward Angle probably was one of the greatest tinkerers 1111 01:02:55,021 --> 01:02:57,774 {\an8}in all of health care history. 1112 01:02:57,774 --> 01:03:00,276 {\an8}He was almost like a Thomas Edison 1113 01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:02,320 {\an8}of orthodontia. 1114 01:03:04,906 --> 01:03:08,576 And in that time, the late 1890's, 1115 01:03:08,576 --> 01:03:11,496 there was a Victorian concept 1116 01:03:11,496 --> 01:03:15,708 that man needed to achieve nature's ideal. 1117 01:03:15,708 --> 01:03:19,253 And Angle was a subscriber to this point of view. 1118 01:03:19,253 --> 01:03:22,423 He looked at how teeth come together, 1119 01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:24,592 which is called occlusion, 1120 01:03:24,592 --> 01:03:27,803 and he came up with a classification system 1121 01:03:27,803 --> 01:03:31,766 of what he believed was nature's intended ideal. 1122 01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:35,728 Edward Angle was the first one 1123 01:03:35,728 --> 01:03:39,023 to start a school of orthodontics, 1124 01:03:39,023 --> 01:03:42,860 and thereby, he had a monopoly of orthodontic education. 1125 01:03:45,154 --> 01:03:47,657 He had this ancient skull, 1126 01:03:47,657 --> 01:03:50,618 which had 32 teeth in perfect alignment. 1127 01:03:50,618 --> 01:03:56,165 And that became-- by dictum, by Angle's rule, 1128 01:03:56,165 --> 01:03:57,625 this is the aim of treatment. 1129 01:03:57,625 --> 01:04:02,171 If God didn't want you to have 32 teeth, he would have given you 28, right? 1130 01:04:04,131 --> 01:04:10,096 From that point forward, that became the gold standard 1131 01:04:10,096 --> 01:04:13,057 that you were supposed to achieve at the end of treatment. 1132 01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:16,852 And he concentrated, 1133 01:04:16,852 --> 01:04:18,771 over the course of his lifetime, 1134 01:04:18,771 --> 01:04:22,358 the best way to move those teeth. 1135 01:04:26,070 --> 01:04:28,406 With each step towards facility, 1136 01:04:28,406 --> 01:04:31,325 more people jumped on the bandwagon. 1137 01:04:33,536 --> 01:04:36,914 Angle defined it as a standard of beauty 1138 01:04:36,914 --> 01:04:38,499 because it was ideal. 1139 01:04:38,499 --> 01:04:43,588 {\an8}Ideal and normal and beauty all became conflated 1140 01:04:43,588 --> 01:04:47,508 in one concept, the orthodontic ideal. 1141 01:04:48,342 --> 01:04:50,636 And therefore, come to me, 1142 01:04:50,636 --> 01:04:52,638 your lovely, friendly orthodontist, 1143 01:04:52,638 --> 01:04:54,056 and I'll make you look normal 1144 01:04:54,056 --> 01:04:56,434 by arranging your 32 teeth 1145 01:04:56,434 --> 01:04:59,520 exactly the same way as his and hers 1146 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,439 and hers and his and then the other. 1147 01:05:01,439 --> 01:05:02,899 Everybody should look the same. 1148 01:05:02,899 --> 01:05:05,735 That's the goal of orthodontics. 1149 01:05:05,735 --> 01:05:08,863 I mean, just because you have a Korean child here 1150 01:05:08,863 --> 01:05:11,991 and a Spanish child there, to hell with it. 1151 01:05:11,991 --> 01:05:15,870 Just do everybody the same, 'cause everybody wants to look the same. 1152 01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:17,663 Everybody wants to look good. 1153 01:05:17,663 --> 01:05:21,626 Everybody wants to look like an American model or a film star. 1154 01:05:22,543 --> 01:05:23,878 Is there anything wrong with that? 1155 01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:30,926 {\an8}The British Orthodontic Society is just a club. 1156 01:05:30,926 --> 01:05:32,637 {\an8}You don't need to be a member 1157 01:05:32,637 --> 01:05:34,013 {\an8}of the British Orthodontic Society. 1158 01:05:36,849 --> 01:05:40,519 Now, the problem with this is that they had already 1159 01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:41,854 referred me to the General Dental Council. 1160 01:05:43,606 --> 01:05:46,817 The General Dental Council holds my license to practice. 1161 01:05:46,817 --> 01:05:51,322 So, we will have a hearing at the General Dental Council in November. 1162 01:05:51,322 --> 01:05:55,201 And in November, they're going to decide whether or not to take my license away. 1163 01:05:55,201 --> 01:05:58,162 So, I tried to engage some people in conversation, 1164 01:05:58,162 --> 01:06:01,207 and it is literally, "No, I don't want to talk to you." 1165 01:06:01,207 --> 01:06:04,710 You know, it's really quite oppressive for you to be in a place 1166 01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:07,713 where 50% of the people are blanking you. 1167 01:06:07,713 --> 01:06:10,549 And you know--you know, you can see people touching 1168 01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:13,094 and talking about you and pointing you out. 1169 01:06:13,094 --> 01:06:14,637 You know, this whole thing, what I'm doing, 1170 01:06:14,637 --> 01:06:19,433 it really takes courage to do this. 1171 01:06:19,433 --> 01:06:21,185 You know, I'm impressed with my father. 1172 01:06:21,185 --> 01:06:23,312 He's got thicker skin than I've got. 1173 01:06:23,312 --> 01:06:27,733 Maybe he didn't at my age and he grew. 1174 01:06:30,111 --> 01:06:32,571 I'm slightly concerned 1175 01:06:32,571 --> 01:06:37,201 that this is going to be a story about you 1176 01:06:37,201 --> 01:06:40,079 rather than about orthotropics. 1177 01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:44,959 I don't--I don't think you want that, but I think they're gonna make it that. 1178 01:06:57,638 --> 01:06:58,556 Hi, Mike. 1179 01:07:10,026 --> 01:07:11,736 So the GDC now know 1180 01:07:11,736 --> 01:07:12,987 - you've taken the case. - They do. 1181 01:07:12,987 --> 01:07:14,780 - So they've been informed of that. Okay. - Yes, they've been informed. 1182 01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:16,866 - So they're waiting on you. - They know that there'll be a time lag, 1183 01:07:16,866 --> 01:07:18,325 - obviously, for us to catch up. - Yes. Yeah. 1184 01:07:18,325 --> 01:07:22,371 {\an8}I've been going through the very interesting statement 1185 01:07:22,371 --> 01:07:24,415 {\an8}- of Stephen Powell. - Mm. 1186 01:07:24,415 --> 01:07:25,458 {\an8}Now, you know that's... 1187 01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:27,209 - nearly 200 pages long. - Good bedtime reading. 1188 01:07:27,209 --> 01:07:28,836 Yeah. Nearly 200 pages long 1189 01:07:28,836 --> 01:07:31,464 - with about 200 pages of appendices. - Mm. 1190 01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:33,799 I'm working my way through that slowly. 1191 01:07:33,799 --> 01:07:38,888 But the accusation is fundamental. 1192 01:07:38,888 --> 01:07:40,014 It's root and branch. 1193 01:07:40,014 --> 01:07:41,057 - They say what you're saying - Yeah. 1194 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:42,558 - is total nonsense. - A total nonsense, yes. 1195 01:07:42,558 --> 01:07:44,351 In essence, he's calling you a charlatan. 1196 01:07:44,351 --> 01:07:46,812 - Mm. One of us is a charlatan. - But-- 1197 01:07:46,812 --> 01:07:47,772 Okay. 1198 01:07:47,772 --> 01:07:51,358 Well, the trial, I think, in the next few months 1199 01:07:51,358 --> 01:07:53,569 - is going to work out which one. - Yes. 1200 01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:56,614 The allegations against him are quite lengthy. 1201 01:07:56,614 --> 01:07:58,991 So, I'll just give you a flavor of what they are. 1202 01:07:58,991 --> 01:08:01,243 Basically, what the GDC is saying 1203 01:08:01,243 --> 01:08:03,120 or what the prosecution is saying 1204 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:08,709 is that he was making claims about his procedures 1205 01:08:08,709 --> 01:08:11,087 which have no scientific basis, 1206 01:08:11,087 --> 01:08:15,049 so saying, "We can do X and Y." 1207 01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:19,678 In fact, he knew that he could not achieve X and Y. 1208 01:08:19,678 --> 01:08:21,180 A second part of it 1209 01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:25,643 is that he was advocating the need for treatment 1210 01:08:25,643 --> 01:08:27,394 where they are saying 1211 01:08:27,394 --> 01:08:29,313 actually there was no need for treatment at all. 1212 01:08:29,313 --> 01:08:31,482 In terms of the expert evidence against him, 1213 01:08:31,482 --> 01:08:35,820 they are saying that the whole thing is basically snake oil. 1214 01:08:37,738 --> 01:08:41,200 Undoubtedly, orthotropics is on trial. 1215 01:08:41,826 --> 01:08:44,954 I mean, I'm concerned for Michael. I'm his father. 1216 01:08:44,954 --> 01:08:48,374 But I've been through the same battle myself, 1217 01:08:48,374 --> 01:08:50,376 and I know that Michael 1218 01:08:50,376 --> 01:08:52,670 - will not get a fair trial. - I can-- 1219 01:08:52,670 --> 01:08:54,338 What do you think about the new barrister? 1220 01:08:54,338 --> 01:08:57,133 He has asked for all the cash up front. 1221 01:08:57,133 --> 01:08:59,677 Now, that's very unusual with a barrister. 1222 01:08:59,677 --> 01:09:03,681 Not--not top barristers in London. 1223 01:09:03,681 --> 01:09:05,808 Well, I've not come across it yet. 1224 01:09:05,808 --> 01:09:08,811 Yeah, 'cause you've not been playing in that game yet. 1225 01:09:08,811 --> 01:09:10,855 - Oh, I don't think you're right. - Oh, maybe. 1226 01:09:10,855 --> 01:09:11,939 On one occasion, 1227 01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:14,483 - I took the minister of health to court. - To the high court. 1228 01:09:14,483 --> 01:09:17,528 - Yes, you did, didn't you? - I did not get much higher than that. 1229 01:09:17,528 --> 01:09:19,446 My case is different. 1230 01:09:19,446 --> 01:09:24,326 So tactically, as we start up till my court case, 1231 01:09:24,326 --> 01:09:29,456 could maybe not be too critical of the whole orthodontic profession. 1232 01:09:30,749 --> 01:09:34,086 Yes, I mean, when talking to orthodontists, 1233 01:09:34,086 --> 01:09:36,046 I'm always very polite. 1234 01:09:36,964 --> 01:09:41,260 The ideal way and the way we've agreed... 1235 01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:44,722 - Right. - We're trying not to be 1236 01:09:45,556 --> 01:09:49,560 too immediately insulting about fixed braces. 1237 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,396 Um, you are. I'm not. 1238 01:09:52,396 --> 01:09:54,398 You won't separate me on that. 1239 01:09:54,398 --> 01:09:58,110 Fixed braces should never be used. 1240 01:09:58,110 --> 01:10:02,197 They damage the teeth, the roots, and the face. 1241 01:10:02,197 --> 01:10:04,575 Then say fixed appliances can damage faces, 1242 01:10:04,575 --> 01:10:06,702 not that they always do it. 1243 01:10:06,702 --> 01:10:09,163 No, Michael, I really can't. 1244 01:10:09,163 --> 01:10:10,581 - Okay. Okay. - I'm sorry. 1245 01:10:10,581 --> 01:10:12,124 We won't agree on that. 1246 01:10:12,124 --> 01:10:16,378 - I am not good at changing people's minds. - Yes. 1247 01:10:16,378 --> 01:10:19,340 - No. - But I do speak the truth. 1248 01:10:19,340 --> 01:10:22,718 If Michael is going soft on that, 1249 01:10:22,718 --> 01:10:26,055 it's because he doesn't want to rock the boat too much, 1250 01:10:26,055 --> 01:10:27,389 but it's true. 1251 01:10:27,389 --> 01:10:32,728 Dad, you were a property developer. That's how you made your money. 1252 01:10:32,728 --> 01:10:34,730 - Yes. - You could-- Later in your career, 1253 01:10:34,730 --> 01:10:36,106 you could afford to lose your license. 1254 01:10:36,106 --> 01:10:37,066 Yes. 1255 01:10:37,066 --> 01:10:40,361 You know, I've got a young-- I've got a young family. 1256 01:10:40,361 --> 01:10:43,322 You know, for me, I mean, I've-- 1257 01:10:43,322 --> 01:10:45,407 I've sold my house for the proceeds. 1258 01:10:45,407 --> 01:10:47,159 Now I've just taken the deposit 1259 01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:48,577 for buying another house 1260 01:10:48,577 --> 01:10:50,621 and blown that as well. 1261 01:10:50,621 --> 01:10:54,458 So this is everything. I've put everything into it. 1262 01:10:54,458 --> 01:10:57,002 This is everything of my life. 1263 01:10:57,002 --> 01:10:59,672 So, I think-- And also, 1264 01:10:59,672 --> 01:11:01,173 my father has already lost his license. 1265 01:11:01,173 --> 01:11:02,800 You know, we don't have a backup now. 1266 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,511 I'm plan B. Plan B's got to work. 1267 01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:15,521 Obviously, he paid quite a big money for that barrister. 1268 01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:17,189 Michael said, "Do you think-- 1269 01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:23,112 can I pay that money to the lawyer instead of buying a house?" 1270 01:11:23,112 --> 01:11:27,074 And I said, "Well, if you think it's the right thing to do, you do it." 1271 01:11:27,074 --> 01:11:30,160 So, when you have family, 1272 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,872 you know, it's what you do. 1273 01:11:39,211 --> 01:11:43,590 Hundred percent I'm sure that he gonna win that case. 1274 01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:48,762 Otherwise, I would be very-- it will be--I will be just... 1275 01:11:48,762 --> 01:11:50,973 How should I say? 1276 01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:53,017 I'm gonna invite the barrister for tea. 1277 01:11:56,061 --> 01:11:58,772 It's a familiar narrative all the way through history. 1278 01:11:58,772 --> 01:12:00,316 David and Goliath, 1279 01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:02,860 big corporations, the small guy, 1280 01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:04,320 the whistleblower. 1281 01:12:07,948 --> 01:12:11,410 He has, I think, the understandable difficulty 1282 01:12:11,410 --> 01:12:13,537 that he's very emotionally invested. 1283 01:12:13,537 --> 01:12:16,582 This is now two generations of individuals 1284 01:12:16,582 --> 01:12:21,295 that are protecting a theory and a way of treatment, 1285 01:12:21,295 --> 01:12:22,963 whether that lives or dies. 1286 01:12:24,673 --> 01:12:29,261 I-- My life is layers and layers and layers of stress at the moment. 1287 01:12:29,261 --> 01:12:32,723 It's worries about my career, 1288 01:12:32,723 --> 01:12:34,892 how that-- If I lose my license, 1289 01:12:34,892 --> 01:12:37,478 you know, how I will let all my patients down. 1290 01:12:37,478 --> 01:12:40,814 You know, I'm worried about moving the science I'm doing forwards. 1291 01:12:40,814 --> 01:12:43,650 You know, because I know what I can achieve. 1292 01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:46,820 And I know that I'm not getting the halfway there 1293 01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:48,989 with my patients at the moment. 1294 01:12:51,408 --> 01:12:54,078 What's been happening since I saw you last time? 1295 01:12:54,078 --> 01:12:55,037 Not much. 1296 01:12:55,871 --> 01:12:56,747 Okay. 1297 01:12:56,747 --> 01:12:57,956 When you mean not much, 1298 01:12:57,956 --> 01:12:59,500 what do you mean by not much? 1299 01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:03,337 Uh, I mean nothing really major or noticeable-- 1300 01:13:03,337 --> 01:13:05,964 or noticeable other than traveling happened. 1301 01:13:07,591 --> 01:13:10,094 All right, have you been wearing your Myobrace much? 1302 01:13:10,094 --> 01:13:11,553 Uh, no. 1303 01:13:11,553 --> 01:13:13,222 What about the chewing gum? 1304 01:13:13,222 --> 01:13:15,432 I did a bit on some airplanes. 1305 01:13:15,432 --> 01:13:18,685 Have you been working on trying to improve your posture? 1306 01:13:18,685 --> 01:13:19,728 A little bit. 1307 01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:21,355 But you've not really done anything? 1308 01:13:21,355 --> 01:13:23,065 - No. - Okay. 1309 01:13:24,817 --> 01:13:26,527 Wider. Close a little bit. 1310 01:13:30,447 --> 01:13:31,990 You gave me the distinct impression 1311 01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:34,076 that you didn't want to do any more treatment 1312 01:13:34,076 --> 01:13:35,369 the last time I talked to you. 1313 01:13:35,369 --> 01:13:36,662 I have no recollection 1314 01:13:36,662 --> 01:13:37,704 - of the last conversation. - Yeah. 1315 01:13:37,704 --> 01:13:38,664 Well, I make notes. 1316 01:13:40,332 --> 01:13:41,875 Orthotropics is completely-- 1317 01:13:41,875 --> 01:13:45,838 it's completely compliance-dependent. 1318 01:13:45,838 --> 01:13:49,133 And I'm treating most people who have no real idea of the benefit 1319 01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:50,384 they're gonna gain from this. 1320 01:13:50,384 --> 01:13:52,761 They don't realize that this is probably 1321 01:13:52,761 --> 01:13:58,058 one of the most important things they're ever, ever going to do. 1322 01:13:58,058 --> 01:14:00,477 And they can't be bothered to wear the brace in the afternoons. 1323 01:14:02,646 --> 01:14:05,732 Adam, if you could commit to chewing gum... 1324 01:14:07,067 --> 01:14:09,278 It's hard to find a steady supply of certain gum 1325 01:14:09,278 --> 01:14:10,404 - No, no-- - at the moment. 1326 01:14:10,404 --> 01:14:12,489 - Just a minute, I will-- - Say what really you've been-- 1327 01:14:12,489 --> 01:14:14,366 Don't worry about the logistics, Adam. 1328 01:14:14,366 --> 01:14:15,325 Okay. 1329 01:14:15,325 --> 01:14:17,744 Think about what would be the desired outcome. 1330 01:14:17,744 --> 01:14:18,704 All right. 1331 01:14:20,914 --> 01:14:22,082 Thank you, sir. 1332 01:14:22,082 --> 01:14:23,709 Work hard. 1333 01:14:23,709 --> 01:14:24,710 Get back in the Myobrace. 1334 01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:26,211 - Let's talk in two weeks' time. - Okay. 1335 01:14:26,211 --> 01:14:28,046 All right? Okay. Thank you very much. 1336 01:14:28,046 --> 01:14:29,173 For once, I found someone 1337 01:14:29,173 --> 01:14:32,050 that doesn't squeeze my hand too hard. 1338 01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:33,385 That wasn't too hard, was it? 1339 01:14:33,385 --> 01:14:34,678 No, he's saying that it's the first time-- 1340 01:14:34,678 --> 01:14:36,180 For once I found someone. 1341 01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:37,681 - Okay. - Yeah. 1342 01:14:37,681 --> 01:14:38,765 So thank you. 1343 01:14:38,765 --> 01:14:40,100 - Take care. - Bye. 1344 01:14:49,776 --> 01:14:52,613 I have no musical training, no musical background, 1345 01:14:52,613 --> 01:14:56,074 no ability to sing. 1346 01:14:56,074 --> 01:14:58,285 I picked up my child's ukulele, 1347 01:14:58,285 --> 01:15:01,413 and suddenly, music started to flow into me. 1348 01:15:03,957 --> 01:15:06,293 And I wrote this song called "The Lies." 1349 01:15:06,293 --> 01:15:08,253 It's seven minutes long. 1350 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:36,406 ♪ Water isn't H20 ♪ 1351 01:15:37,157 --> 01:15:42,162 ♪ It's a story you've been told ♪ 1352 01:15:42,162 --> 01:15:48,252 ♪ What is truth and how do you know ♪ 1353 01:15:48,252 --> 01:15:52,631 ♪ Who's telling those lies ♪ 1354 01:15:52,631 --> 01:15:58,136 ♪ History, history ♪ 1355 01:15:58,804 --> 01:16:03,267 ♪ It's a trickster's symphony ♪ 1356 01:16:03,267 --> 01:16:08,438 ♪ Rockefeller, medicine And orthodontics too ♪ 1357 01:16:08,438 --> 01:16:13,360 ♪ Carefully designed To keep disease in you ♪ 1358 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:18,991 ♪ If you won't see When you're being fooled ♪ 1359 01:16:18,991 --> 01:16:24,329 ♪ Parasites over you will rule ♪ 1360 01:16:24,329 --> 01:16:29,668 ♪ Ooh, the lies we've been sold ♪ 1361 01:16:29,668 --> 01:16:35,590 ♪ Re-examine everything you're told ♪ 1362 01:16:46,101 --> 01:16:47,769 Whoa, this trial. I mean, you know-- 1363 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,314 You know, I should be clinically depressed. 1364 01:16:50,314 --> 01:16:52,232 Whoa, whoa. Over the top. 1365 01:16:52,232 --> 01:16:54,026 The reason I'm not is 'cause I'm on a mission. 1366 01:16:54,026 --> 01:16:55,611 We're now two months away. 1367 01:16:55,611 --> 01:16:57,571 And I'm agitated-- I go to bed agitated. 1368 01:16:57,571 --> 01:16:59,615 I wake up in the middle of the night agitated. 1369 01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:01,950 And I've got so much to do that I haven't done yet, 1370 01:17:01,950 --> 01:17:03,785 you know, just mountains of work. 1371 01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:05,537 {\an8}Let's break up tasks. Then I can sit and get on. 1372 01:17:05,537 --> 01:17:06,955 {\an8}Yeah, so that's the one thing. 1373 01:17:06,955 --> 01:17:08,874 {\an8}Because I'll need some quiet time for me to get on with. 1374 01:17:08,874 --> 01:17:11,126 {\an8}I would have liked to be so much further ahead. 1375 01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:13,795 I would have liked to have so much more media engagement. 1376 01:17:13,795 --> 01:17:15,964 I've gotta increase the web presence as much as possible. 1377 01:17:15,964 --> 01:17:19,760 And I'm just so behind where I wanted to be. 1378 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,429 You know, having to phone Dianne up and plan the video we're gonna do. 1379 01:17:22,429 --> 01:17:25,307 And it--it's really hard. 1380 01:17:25,307 --> 01:17:28,268 How's about, shall go see if I can watch those two videos? 1381 01:17:28,268 --> 01:17:29,394 Yes. 1382 01:17:29,394 --> 01:17:30,687 That might be the best thing. 1383 01:17:30,687 --> 01:17:32,397 Okay, let me watch. 1384 01:17:32,397 --> 01:17:34,274 - Before tomorrow-- - I would have joined in 1385 01:17:34,274 --> 01:17:35,692 if I'd known there was a discussion. 1386 01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:37,444 - It doesn't matter. - Yes. 1387 01:17:37,444 --> 01:17:40,238 Lots of points I would have liked to have made. 1388 01:17:40,238 --> 01:17:41,615 But there's always a discussion. 1389 01:17:41,615 --> 01:17:43,492 - Always a discussion. - Nobody tells me anything. 1390 01:17:43,492 --> 01:17:45,327 You've got the family you have 1391 01:17:45,327 --> 01:17:47,037 and then the family you choose. 1392 01:17:47,037 --> 01:17:50,624 And we kind of chose the Mews. And I think that's mutual. 1393 01:17:50,624 --> 01:17:52,834 So yeah, that's a good feeling. 1394 01:17:52,834 --> 01:17:55,128 {\an8}I want a real glamour shot, yeah. 1395 01:17:55,128 --> 01:17:57,381 {\an8}Yeah, I'd like to have a real glamour shot 1396 01:17:57,381 --> 01:17:59,007 {\an8}of the two of you, and Bill in the background. 1397 01:17:59,007 --> 01:18:00,133 {\an8}- I'll lean forward. - How's my jaw? 1398 01:18:00,133 --> 01:18:01,343 - Then it will be bigger. - Yeah. 1399 01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,053 We live in Broek in Waterland, 1400 01:18:03,053 --> 01:18:05,722 which is a very small town near Amsterdam. 1401 01:18:05,722 --> 01:18:07,349 And I've got this receded chin. 1402 01:18:07,349 --> 01:18:08,809 And I always thought, "Well, you know, 1403 01:18:08,809 --> 01:18:10,727 that's just genetics you don't know about." 1404 01:18:10,727 --> 01:18:14,231 But I think it was somewhere on Facebook that somebody posted something like, 1405 01:18:14,231 --> 01:18:17,484 "You have to see this video because it will change your life forever." 1406 01:18:17,484 --> 01:18:18,819 I was like, "Yeah, right." 1407 01:18:18,819 --> 01:18:21,071 But that was a video by Mike 1408 01:18:21,071 --> 01:18:23,615 doing the 21st Century Man convention. 1409 01:18:23,615 --> 01:18:26,576 And he was talking about all these things. And then everything clicked. 1410 01:18:26,576 --> 01:18:28,412 It's like, "Oh, I've got this. I've got this. 1411 01:18:28,412 --> 01:18:29,871 I've got this. I've got this." 1412 01:18:29,871 --> 01:18:33,291 And then one day, he asked for people 1413 01:18:33,291 --> 01:18:35,627 to come help with his YouTube channel. 1414 01:18:35,627 --> 01:18:38,171 And I thought, "Why don't just drop this man 1415 01:18:38,171 --> 01:18:40,424 a letter or email?" 1416 01:18:40,424 --> 01:18:43,969 He said, "Yeah, well, I'm in a castle next weekend with my family. 1417 01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:45,429 Do you want to come over?" 1418 01:18:45,429 --> 01:18:49,766 And we're like, "That's kind of weird, but just let's-- let's go." 1419 01:18:49,766 --> 01:18:51,476 Let's-- You know, I've got twin boys. 1420 01:18:51,476 --> 01:18:55,313 Let's just go to England and meet this YouTube guy 1421 01:18:55,313 --> 01:18:56,481 and see if we can help. 1422 01:19:00,485 --> 01:19:03,363 We were coming down here, and we saw the castle, 1423 01:19:03,363 --> 01:19:05,449 and it just felt unreal. 1424 01:19:13,373 --> 01:19:16,293 It felt like we were welcomed in some kind of Italian family. 1425 01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:18,795 And it clicked, just clicked. 1426 01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:26,720 I do think Mike changes life for some, as he did mine. 1427 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,932 To some of the Mews, he's like the new god and messiah. 1428 01:19:30,932 --> 01:19:33,727 Well, maybe he is. Who knows? 1429 01:19:33,727 --> 01:19:38,190 For him, he's just trying to do his best, like Jesus was. 1430 01:19:39,691 --> 01:19:41,359 We're gonna talk about-- the video we're gonna do now. 1431 01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:42,861 - Oh, yeah, let's go upstairs. - Okay? 1432 01:19:42,861 --> 01:19:45,530 Wait, wait, just a little bit of planning. So we're gonna go upstairs 1433 01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:47,699 and we're gonna start by saying that we need 1434 01:19:47,699 --> 01:19:50,535 more nuance to the idea of beauty. 1435 01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:54,790 Don't respond just yet. Just wait until we're upstairs. 1436 01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:57,292 - I can do that, all right. - Okay. 1437 01:19:57,292 --> 01:19:58,960 We should do. 1438 01:20:00,253 --> 01:20:02,422 No, no, no. That's just the way it is. 1439 01:20:02,422 --> 01:20:03,465 We're YouTubers. 1440 01:20:05,592 --> 01:20:08,678 I'm just trying to quickly 1441 01:20:08,678 --> 01:20:11,681 put together a PowerPoint presentation as we speak. 1442 01:20:11,681 --> 01:20:14,434 - It sounds a bit late for all that. - Well, yeah-- 1443 01:20:14,434 --> 01:20:16,436 Don't we just want to chat? 1444 01:20:16,436 --> 01:20:18,855 Okay, we're ready to go. 1445 01:20:25,862 --> 01:20:27,239 Hi, and welcome. 1446 01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:28,532 I'm sitting with my father, 1447 01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:30,158 {\an8}and today we're gonna talk about 1448 01:20:30,158 --> 01:20:34,996 {\an8}some more nuances to facial attractiveness than just a square face. 1449 01:20:34,996 --> 01:20:38,041 So, Dad, I've got an image here. 1450 01:20:38,041 --> 01:20:42,254 These people had physically better facial form 1451 01:20:42,254 --> 01:20:43,839 from a health perspective. 1452 01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:46,049 I look at those faces, 1453 01:20:46,049 --> 01:20:48,176 and they don't terribly appeal to me. 1454 01:20:48,176 --> 01:20:51,471 I'm always attracted to dimples in the cheeks 1455 01:20:51,471 --> 01:20:53,306 and there are very few there. 1456 01:20:53,306 --> 01:20:55,225 Remember-- Sorry-- 1457 01:20:55,225 --> 01:20:56,434 Remember to look at the camera. 1458 01:20:56,434 --> 01:20:59,020 Well, I'm talking to the interviewer. 1459 01:20:59,020 --> 01:21:01,439 If I have to talk about anything, 1460 01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,317 I find it very difficult to be directed on this. 1461 01:21:04,317 --> 01:21:05,569 So we need to be-- 1462 01:21:05,569 --> 01:21:07,779 And I can see all sorts of difficulties already. 1463 01:21:07,779 --> 01:21:09,656 But that's what we want to discuss. 1464 01:21:09,656 --> 01:21:11,366 Yes, I've got very specific ideas. 1465 01:21:11,366 --> 01:21:12,951 - Fine, first of all, we-- - Absolutely. 1466 01:21:12,951 --> 01:21:15,203 First of all-- Wait. 1467 01:21:15,203 --> 01:21:16,413 This is Rubens. 1468 01:21:16,413 --> 01:21:17,664 Many times. 1469 01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:19,165 Many times, it's not a new one. 1470 01:21:19,165 --> 01:21:20,667 - Yes. No. - At the time, 1471 01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:22,127 this is what was considered attractive. 1472 01:21:22,127 --> 01:21:24,087 That time, there's no doubt 1473 01:21:24,087 --> 01:21:26,256 that fat people were considered, 1474 01:21:27,549 --> 01:21:30,760 shall I say, more attractive, more appealing, 1475 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,054 I think, would perhaps a better word. 1476 01:21:33,054 --> 01:21:34,431 And then, of course, we've moved on 1477 01:21:34,431 --> 01:21:36,975 to this era of these incredibly thin models. 1478 01:21:36,975 --> 01:21:39,644 Yes. I have always preferred 1479 01:21:39,644 --> 01:21:44,566 the 38", 22", 36" shape myself. 1480 01:21:44,566 --> 01:21:48,320 And I actually think that's probably a little bit more natural. 1481 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,282 And looking at our ancestors of 20,000 years ago, 1482 01:21:52,282 --> 01:21:54,826 they hardly had any such mouths. 1483 01:21:54,826 --> 01:21:56,870 Now they're relatively common. 1484 01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:58,538 I've not seen research on that. 1485 01:21:58,538 --> 01:22:02,417 No. No, nor have I. 1486 01:22:02,417 --> 01:22:04,836 So you've just-- 1487 01:22:04,836 --> 01:22:08,465 Remember, I am someone who is a lateral thinker. 1488 01:22:08,465 --> 01:22:09,758 Yeah, yeah, I-- 1489 01:22:09,758 --> 01:22:11,718 And I have very little science. 1490 01:22:11,718 --> 01:22:13,803 - It's mostly logic. - But--but-- 1491 01:22:13,803 --> 01:22:17,515 I mean, my biggest problem often is my father. 1492 01:22:18,516 --> 01:22:21,353 I'm certain that, to some extent, 1493 01:22:21,353 --> 01:22:24,147 my father stands in the way of his own legacy 1494 01:22:24,147 --> 01:22:27,192 by being so pigheaded and obstinate. 1495 01:22:27,192 --> 01:22:28,443 - All right. - Thank you for watching. 1496 01:22:28,443 --> 01:22:29,986 Thank you very much for watching. 1497 01:22:29,986 --> 01:22:31,780 - I'll see you next time. - See you next time. 1498 01:22:32,656 --> 01:22:34,699 Thank you very much for watching. See you next time. 1499 01:22:34,699 --> 01:22:36,534 Uh, something-- 1500 01:22:36,534 --> 01:22:38,703 Yeah, you need editing. But that's, uh-- Yeah. 1501 01:22:38,703 --> 01:22:40,330 You know, well, they say you should never work 1502 01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:43,375 with animals and children or your father. 1503 01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:50,423 Okay, let's just get a little bit more around your ears here. 1504 01:22:53,009 --> 01:22:55,387 Try not to cut your hearing aid off, though, eh? 1505 01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:06,189 There you go, Popsies. 1506 01:23:07,023 --> 01:23:08,400 - Beautiful. - Right, thank you. 1507 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,527 Don't leave me over here. 1508 01:23:10,527 --> 01:23:12,904 Okay, hang on. I'm coming back. I'm coming. 1509 01:23:14,781 --> 01:23:18,451 Well, unfortunately, the years count on. 1510 01:23:18,451 --> 01:23:22,706 And nowadays, almost all my friends have died. 1511 01:23:22,706 --> 01:23:26,751 I must say that my friends that died when they were young 1512 01:23:26,751 --> 01:23:29,337 had fantastic funerals. 1513 01:23:29,337 --> 01:23:33,091 But when I die, there's going-- Nobody's going to be there. 1514 01:23:33,091 --> 01:23:34,467 Don't worry about that, Dad. I-- 1515 01:23:34,467 --> 01:23:35,927 I have-- 1516 01:23:35,927 --> 01:23:38,847 - You'll make sure it's a good send-off. - I'll make sure you get a good send-off. 1517 01:23:38,847 --> 01:23:41,975 Right, with lots of alcohol. 1518 01:23:41,975 --> 01:23:44,018 With lots of-- Yes, yes, shame I don't drink anymore. 1519 01:23:44,018 --> 01:23:46,354 Yes, let's have a bloody good party. 1520 01:23:47,647 --> 01:23:50,608 - Mike, for your campaign website... - Yes? 1521 01:23:50,608 --> 01:23:52,902 - When does it need to be live? - Thursday. 1522 01:23:52,902 --> 01:23:54,654 What's happening on Thursday? 1523 01:23:54,654 --> 01:23:57,032 Thursday, I'm gonna dress up as Martin Luther. 1524 01:23:57,032 --> 01:23:58,950 Are you? How wonderful. 1525 01:23:58,950 --> 01:24:01,870 So then I'm gonna go in. I'm gonna hammer my ten principles 1526 01:24:01,870 --> 01:24:03,580 to the door of the GDC. 1527 01:24:03,580 --> 01:24:06,875 Can I just inquire, why-- why Martin Luther King? 1528 01:24:06,875 --> 01:24:08,877 It's not Martin Luther King. It's Martin Luther. 1529 01:24:08,877 --> 01:24:11,963 Martin Luther was a Protestant who nailed-- 1530 01:24:11,963 --> 01:24:15,800 Rosie, there's no-- there's no flame under this chorizo. 1531 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,886 Yes, I just turned it off 'cause I'm not quite ready. 1532 01:24:17,886 --> 01:24:20,096 Okay. All right. 1533 01:24:20,096 --> 01:24:23,308 So he set out Protestant principles 1534 01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:25,143 against the Catholic Church. 1535 01:24:25,143 --> 01:24:26,102 Right. 1536 01:24:26,102 --> 01:24:27,812 But he started the Protestant church, basically. 1537 01:24:27,812 --> 01:24:29,647 And how do you dress as Martin Luther? 1538 01:24:29,647 --> 01:24:30,732 - I don't know. - What does that-- 1539 01:24:30,732 --> 01:24:31,733 what does a Protestant look like? 1540 01:24:31,733 --> 01:24:33,735 - Have you sorted out a costume? - Have you got a costume? 1541 01:24:33,735 --> 01:24:34,736 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1542 01:24:34,736 --> 01:24:36,905 Remember, the Germans 1543 01:24:36,905 --> 01:24:39,324 wore different clothes than the English. 1544 01:24:40,158 --> 01:24:42,285 I'm not sure about the-- 1545 01:24:42,285 --> 01:24:44,662 I'm not sure about the historical accuracy. 1546 01:24:44,662 --> 01:24:46,998 Are you very worried 1547 01:24:46,998 --> 01:24:48,792 that the orthodontic establishment 1548 01:24:48,792 --> 01:24:51,085 will have you up on inaccurate dress? 1549 01:24:51,085 --> 01:24:52,295 Yeah, I don't know. 1550 01:24:52,295 --> 01:24:55,173 I think damage to the door might be top of their priority. 1551 01:24:56,633 --> 01:24:58,259 But you could just hammer-- 1552 01:24:58,259 --> 01:25:00,220 How long has that asparagus been on? 1553 01:25:00,220 --> 01:25:02,305 It's got one minute, 18 to go. 1554 01:25:02,305 --> 01:25:03,973 Mike, I do mean this. 1555 01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:07,435 You need to have a proper document drawn up 1556 01:25:07,435 --> 01:25:12,774 with the capital letters in gold trimmed with red. 1557 01:25:12,774 --> 01:25:15,068 Right. Did you get that, Mike? 1558 01:25:15,068 --> 01:25:16,027 - It's very important. - Way beyond 1559 01:25:16,027 --> 01:25:18,404 my calligraphy skills, so yes, 1560 01:25:18,404 --> 01:25:21,032 it'll be one of those days where it'll all work out on the day. 1561 01:25:21,032 --> 01:25:22,617 Let's not worry too much about it. 1562 01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:31,042 Dr. Mew is obviously a real character. 1563 01:25:31,042 --> 01:25:34,462 He's quite eccentric, which I don't mind at all. 1564 01:25:34,462 --> 01:25:38,091 But we have to pull back from being a bit crazy, 1565 01:25:38,091 --> 01:25:42,512 because there is a fine balance between an eccentric professor type 1566 01:25:42,512 --> 01:25:44,305 and someone who's a bit crazy. 1567 01:25:44,305 --> 01:25:46,474 And to dress up as Martin Luther 1568 01:25:46,474 --> 01:25:50,061 would just be a sort of a flippant thing to do. 1569 01:25:50,061 --> 01:25:55,191 And when you're going into the GDC in a few months' time, 1570 01:25:55,191 --> 01:25:57,152 you don't want to walk past their front door 1571 01:25:57,152 --> 01:26:01,281 with the nail marks in it from where you pinned your request. 1572 01:26:01,281 --> 01:26:03,241 It just doesn't-- I can't see how it helps. 1573 01:26:03,241 --> 01:26:05,368 So I just said to him I thought it was crazy 1574 01:26:05,368 --> 01:26:06,953 and not to do it, 1575 01:26:06,953 --> 01:26:08,872 and I would expect him to follow my advice. 1576 01:26:38,026 --> 01:26:39,569 I got my... 1577 01:27:00,548 --> 01:27:05,303 Roughly a decade ago, my father stood at this very spot 1578 01:27:05,303 --> 01:27:06,721 with a sandwich board 1579 01:27:07,472 --> 01:27:11,559 trying to raise awareness of basically the same issues. 1580 01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:16,022 And, yeah, it didn't get anywhere. 1581 01:27:18,775 --> 01:27:21,194 And half of the reason I'm pushing so hard 1582 01:27:21,194 --> 01:27:24,113 is to gain him some recognition 1583 01:27:24,113 --> 01:27:28,159 while he's still capable of appreciating it. 1584 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,754 {\an8}So here's my statement to the world, to the GDC. 1585 01:27:39,754 --> 01:27:41,965 "For too long, our concerns 1586 01:27:41,965 --> 01:27:45,635 have not been heard or debated. 1587 01:27:45,635 --> 01:27:48,096 My speciality was becoming 1588 01:27:48,096 --> 01:27:50,473 more of a religion than a science. 1589 01:27:50,473 --> 01:27:53,434 We want the truth, the whole truth, and no dogma." 1590 01:27:53,434 --> 01:27:57,772 I've signed this Martin Luther Mew. 1591 01:27:57,772 --> 01:28:00,358 And I was going to nail 1592 01:28:00,358 --> 01:28:03,695 one of these statements to the front door, 1593 01:28:03,695 --> 01:28:08,324 but I'm just cautious of imagery that could be used to defame me. 1594 01:28:08,324 --> 01:28:11,035 Now I've gotta play the game, you know? I've got to win this. 1595 01:28:11,035 --> 01:28:13,538 I've got to win this for everyone. I've gotta win this. 1596 01:28:14,914 --> 01:28:16,582 I worry the slight pressure 1597 01:28:16,582 --> 01:28:18,710 that Dad's putting on Mike, 1598 01:28:18,710 --> 01:28:22,380 not in a nasty way, but just, "We're almost there, 1599 01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:23,798 we're almost there, we're almost there. 1600 01:28:23,798 --> 01:28:25,633 If we just, if we just, if we just." 1601 01:28:25,633 --> 01:28:30,179 So it's like this massive drive at the moment. 1602 01:28:30,179 --> 01:28:35,059 I think Michael is almost more driven or more focused than Dad. 1603 01:28:35,059 --> 01:28:39,063 Dad-- I mean, Dad has done everything 1604 01:28:39,063 --> 01:28:41,190 and been everywhere. 1605 01:28:41,190 --> 01:28:43,318 If I was to die and be reincarnated 1606 01:28:43,318 --> 01:28:46,487 as anyone in the world, I would come back as Dad. 1607 01:28:46,487 --> 01:28:47,572 Sorry. 1608 01:28:47,572 --> 01:28:49,032 'Cause he's done-- he's done-- 1609 01:28:49,032 --> 01:28:51,909 - He has. - I know you have. I know. 1610 01:28:51,909 --> 01:28:54,162 But his life, not your life, his life. 1611 01:28:54,162 --> 01:28:55,913 - Michael, I worry about him - I'd just be 1612 01:28:55,913 --> 01:28:57,123 - slightly because he is... - an absolute-- 1613 01:28:57,123 --> 01:28:58,249 There's no point. 1614 01:28:58,249 --> 01:29:00,793 ...totally insanely focused on orthotropics 1615 01:29:00,793 --> 01:29:02,253 and has nothing outside of it. 1616 01:29:02,253 --> 01:29:03,755 - And I think part of it-- - Not nothing. 1617 01:29:03,755 --> 01:29:05,006 Not nothing, no, no, no. But you're-- 1618 01:29:05,006 --> 01:29:06,049 Less than I should. 1619 01:29:06,049 --> 01:29:07,717 You're 80%. 1620 01:29:12,972 --> 01:29:15,850 - I mean, he's lived it to the full. - You know, he was a racing car driver. 1621 01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:18,644 He holds records at Brands Hatch. 1622 01:29:18,644 --> 01:29:19,771 He happened to be-- 1623 01:29:19,771 --> 01:29:21,522 He says-- He's, like, the oldest person ever 1624 01:29:21,522 --> 01:29:22,857 - to get their Yachtmasters. - Yeah. 1625 01:29:22,857 --> 01:29:24,817 - He's, you know-- - Skiing history. 1626 01:29:24,817 --> 01:29:26,277 Jousting. 1627 01:29:26,277 --> 01:29:29,697 On horseback with a large jousting lance. 1628 01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:30,782 Charging at someone else. 1629 01:29:30,782 --> 01:29:32,450 Charging to-- somewhat out of control. 1630 01:29:32,450 --> 01:29:34,118 {\an8}He doesn't ride horses. 1631 01:29:34,118 --> 01:29:36,746 And then he said, "Okay, we're gonna build a castle. 1632 01:29:36,746 --> 01:29:39,040 Kids, we're gonna build a castle on an island 1633 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,249 in the middle of a lake." 1634 01:29:40,249 --> 01:29:41,959 And we all went, "Yeah, okay, Dad." 1635 01:29:41,959 --> 01:29:44,170 You know, all our friends thought we were bonkers, 1636 01:29:44,170 --> 01:29:46,798 - more so, more so than they did before. - Yeah, yeah. 1637 01:29:48,966 --> 01:29:51,594 But mind you, I sometimes think him building the castle 1638 01:29:51,594 --> 01:29:53,846 was a little bit like Churchill's war. 1639 01:29:54,847 --> 01:29:55,723 - You know, when-- - Therapeutic. 1640 01:29:55,723 --> 01:29:57,642 Therapeutic, yes. 1641 01:29:57,642 --> 01:29:59,727 It took his mind off-- 1642 01:29:59,727 --> 01:30:01,229 the wilderness, yeah, well, he may as well 1643 01:30:01,229 --> 01:30:02,688 - 'cause he has forever. - Well, I know I think 1644 01:30:02,688 --> 01:30:05,274 he thought that Biobloc and orthotropics 1645 01:30:05,274 --> 01:30:06,818 was going to hit in quicker. 1646 01:30:06,818 --> 01:30:08,820 And he just got so frustrated. 1647 01:30:08,820 --> 01:30:11,364 He said, "I need something else for a legacy." 1648 01:30:13,157 --> 01:30:17,286 You've learned enough about me to know that I'm a busy boy. 1649 01:30:17,286 --> 01:30:20,748 I'm always wanting to do something. 1650 01:30:20,748 --> 01:30:22,542 Um... 1651 01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:24,627 it's in Word, I think. 1652 01:30:24,627 --> 01:30:26,295 Well, I'll get it here. 1653 01:30:26,295 --> 01:30:27,839 I'll find it quicker. 1654 01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:30,716 Ah. 1655 01:30:30,716 --> 01:30:33,219 "Thank you so much, Dr. Mew. 1656 01:30:33,219 --> 01:30:36,973 Your study is worth a Nobel Prize. 1657 01:30:36,973 --> 01:30:41,727 It feels so good that there are still honorable men 1658 01:30:41,727 --> 01:30:46,023 like Dr. Mew and his son Dr. Mike Mew 1659 01:30:46,023 --> 01:30:49,777 in the evil world of dentistry." That's a bit strong. 1660 01:30:53,114 --> 01:30:55,741 I'll tell you, John Mew's life 1661 01:30:55,741 --> 01:31:00,496 would be infinitely better and more fulfilled 1662 01:31:00,496 --> 01:31:04,458 if he had the orthodontists of the world 1663 01:31:04,458 --> 01:31:07,628 beating a path to his door and saying, 1664 01:31:07,628 --> 01:31:12,008 "We admire you. We respect you. You are our guru." 1665 01:31:13,509 --> 01:31:19,056 {\an8}He--he needs respect, and he needs adulation. 1666 01:31:19,056 --> 01:31:23,227 And I don't think it matters to him all that much where it comes from 1667 01:31:23,227 --> 01:31:24,896 as long as he gets the adulation. 1668 01:31:26,355 --> 01:31:29,692 However, I think John Mew has, uh... 1669 01:31:31,986 --> 01:31:35,907 Actually done something good, at long last, in his life. 1670 01:31:35,907 --> 01:31:40,077 He's done something good by making you interested 1671 01:31:40,077 --> 01:31:42,663 in making this documentary, 1672 01:31:42,663 --> 01:31:44,957 because it brings to the surface 1673 01:31:44,957 --> 01:31:47,376 a number of issues 1674 01:31:47,376 --> 01:31:50,296 which characterize orthodontics. 1675 01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:54,342 Whether it's John Mew doing it 1676 01:31:54,342 --> 01:31:58,429 {\an8}or whether it's the average good guy orthodontist. 1677 01:31:58,429 --> 01:32:00,848 {\an8}Only those dentists who successfully complete 1678 01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:02,725 specialist training are entitled 1679 01:32:02,725 --> 01:32:04,143 to call themselves orthodontists. 1680 01:32:05,061 --> 01:32:07,146 And orthodontists understand tooth movement 1681 01:32:07,146 --> 01:32:09,482 and the guidance of facial development. 1682 01:32:09,482 --> 01:32:12,568 Orthodontists do one thing, and we do it well. 1683 01:32:12,568 --> 01:32:14,612 Orthodontics has become a business. 1684 01:32:15,905 --> 01:32:18,824 And because orthodontists have to sell something, 1685 01:32:18,824 --> 01:32:20,409 they fabricate things. 1686 01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:23,579 There are no diseases 1687 01:32:23,579 --> 01:32:27,124 associated with malocclusion at all-- None. 1688 01:32:31,087 --> 01:32:34,048 But if there is no disease, what are you measuring? 1689 01:32:34,048 --> 01:32:36,926 It's purely subjective. It doesn't matter a damn. 1690 01:32:37,927 --> 01:32:41,097 How do the Mews convince people 1691 01:32:41,097 --> 01:32:43,933 that there is some merit in what they say? 1692 01:32:43,933 --> 01:32:48,813 They do it partly by terminology, by medicalizing orthodontics. 1693 01:32:48,813 --> 01:32:53,567 How many adults are gonna die ten or 20 years early 1694 01:32:53,567 --> 01:32:55,486 because of craniofacial dystrophy? 1695 01:32:55,486 --> 01:32:57,655 And you're made to feel guilty 1696 01:32:57,655 --> 01:32:59,824 if you don't save your child 1697 01:32:59,824 --> 01:33:02,576 {\an8}from this horrible thing that they might have 1698 01:33:02,576 --> 01:33:04,245 {\an8}if they don't get the treatment. 1699 01:33:04,245 --> 01:33:06,163 {\an8}To me, you're doing a public service 1700 01:33:06,163 --> 01:33:09,166 {\an8}by exposing these fictions 1701 01:33:09,166 --> 01:33:11,877 which are dressed up as health needs. 1702 01:33:11,877 --> 01:33:14,422 Here we are. Now put your jaw forward, can you? 1703 01:33:14,422 --> 01:33:15,923 That's right. 1704 01:33:15,923 --> 01:33:17,925 John Mew is not unique. 1705 01:33:17,925 --> 01:33:21,012 What he's doing is just a replication 1706 01:33:21,012 --> 01:33:23,347 of the same shoddy orthodontics. 1707 01:33:23,347 --> 01:33:26,183 I don't care whether he calls it orthoptics or whatever. 1708 01:33:26,183 --> 01:33:28,394 He is just a continuation 1709 01:33:28,394 --> 01:33:31,063 of what's been going on for more years 1710 01:33:31,063 --> 01:33:33,649 than John Mew has been in orthodontics. 1711 01:33:33,649 --> 01:33:37,153 Orthodontists are simply there to straighten your teeth, 1712 01:33:37,153 --> 01:33:39,613 make your face look as good as possible, 1713 01:33:39,613 --> 01:33:41,032 and that should be good enough. 1714 01:33:42,074 --> 01:33:44,035 It's just like being a hairdresser. 1715 01:33:44,035 --> 01:33:46,245 I'll hold the mirror. Now you try that yourself. 1716 01:33:50,207 --> 01:33:51,417 That's right. Now... 1717 01:33:51,417 --> 01:33:53,794 And that's why I think, ultimately, 1718 01:33:53,794 --> 01:33:57,590 orthodontics, including the Mew phenomenon, 1719 01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:59,675 is destined to die. 1720 01:33:59,675 --> 01:34:02,678 You can fool some of the people all of the time, 1721 01:34:03,804 --> 01:34:07,224 but you're not going to succeed, because people see through it. 1722 01:34:08,559 --> 01:34:11,520 It's extraordinary that someone can say 1723 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,148 people's face should look like this. 1724 01:34:14,148 --> 01:34:16,317 It's subjective, isn't it? So how can you define it? 1725 01:34:16,317 --> 01:34:18,319 - Well, it's appalling, really. - How can you define it? 1726 01:34:18,319 --> 01:34:20,988 - Isn't it? When I think about it. - The nose to teeth is 38 millimeters. 1727 01:34:20,988 --> 01:34:23,240 Yeah, I mean, how-- 1728 01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:27,244 I mean, if he thought that Quentin's face 1729 01:34:27,244 --> 01:34:29,955 could be perfect, and yet he'd be-- 1730 01:34:30,956 --> 01:34:33,459 and let Ben go and have any old treatment-- 1731 01:34:33,459 --> 01:34:37,421 But mine was already perfect, so I didn't need... 1732 01:34:37,421 --> 01:34:38,381 Yeah, but-- 1733 01:34:38,381 --> 01:34:40,091 Well, actually, that's not a bad thing for us, 1734 01:34:40,091 --> 01:34:43,928 'cause we wanted to get to that point where we had our own identity, 1735 01:34:43,928 --> 01:34:45,930 to get to a point where, if that is the case 1736 01:34:45,930 --> 01:34:48,432 that John Mew thinks everyone should have 1737 01:34:48,432 --> 01:34:53,187 a set distance between nose line and chin, 1738 01:34:53,187 --> 01:34:55,147 then that eradicates that identity, 1739 01:34:55,147 --> 01:34:59,235 individualism, and-- which is-- 1740 01:34:59,235 --> 01:35:01,195 that's gotta be questionable. 1741 01:35:21,799 --> 01:35:23,300 So it's almost time. 1742 01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:26,262 I've gotta head up to this case at the GDC. 1743 01:35:26,262 --> 01:35:27,721 This is the first day. 1744 01:35:27,721 --> 01:35:31,976 I've already been warned that they want to consider delaying it. 1745 01:35:31,976 --> 01:35:33,477 What you call it? Adjourning it for a while. 1746 01:35:33,477 --> 01:35:37,022 It's a disaster for me. I mean, however, into London we go. 1747 01:35:38,983 --> 01:35:42,153 {\an8}Some orthodontists are calling Mewing a scam 1748 01:35:42,153 --> 01:35:46,031 {\an8}and trying to revoke his dental license. 1749 01:35:46,031 --> 01:35:49,577 {\an8}So go sign the petition in the link below 1750 01:35:49,577 --> 01:35:52,371 {\an8}to help save Mike Mew's orthodontic license. 1751 01:35:52,371 --> 01:35:57,668 The buildup to this day has been at least five years. 1752 01:35:58,502 --> 01:36:02,506 Zarina was one year old when this started. 1753 01:36:02,506 --> 01:36:06,177 She's now six, so most of her life. 1754 01:36:15,394 --> 01:36:18,898 {\an8}Dr. Mew, thank you for agreeing to join me on JawHacks 1755 01:36:18,898 --> 01:36:21,317 {\an8}to discuss your situation. 1756 01:36:21,317 --> 01:36:22,985 {\an8}You are going up against what seems to be 1757 01:36:22,985 --> 01:36:24,778 {\an8}this tidal wave of orthodontists. 1758 01:36:24,778 --> 01:36:26,947 It's almost like a kind of information warfare 1759 01:36:26,947 --> 01:36:27,907 that they're levying against you, 1760 01:36:27,907 --> 01:36:31,160 and I can see that it's put you 1761 01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:32,953 at a great amount of distress. 1762 01:36:32,953 --> 01:36:37,166 Now, do you think if you had never become a YouTube legend 1763 01:36:37,166 --> 01:36:39,251 with your ideas that have, quite frankly, 1764 01:36:39,251 --> 01:36:42,004 lifted so many young people up out of despair, 1765 01:36:42,004 --> 01:36:44,381 would you have been spared the gauntlet? 1766 01:36:44,381 --> 01:36:45,674 Uh, with no question. 1767 01:36:49,970 --> 01:36:52,973 I'm really surprised how much it's affected my wife. 1768 01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:54,725 This morning, she didn't want to get out of bed. 1769 01:36:54,725 --> 01:36:56,101 She didn't want to come downstairs. 1770 01:36:56,101 --> 01:37:00,147 She was... depressed. 1771 01:37:00,147 --> 01:37:01,690 How else do I say it? 1772 01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:04,777 Well, you've started the revolution already. 1773 01:37:04,777 --> 01:37:07,279 There's already a whole generation of young people 1774 01:37:07,279 --> 01:37:09,990 out there who are looking to take the candle, 1775 01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:11,700 - take the torch and run with it. - Yeah. 1776 01:37:11,700 --> 01:37:14,370 When's this whole legal mess gonna be over, Mike? 1777 01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:16,622 It runs for four weeks. 1778 01:37:16,622 --> 01:37:18,749 Murder cases are only usually two weeks. 1779 01:37:22,836 --> 01:37:24,213 {\an8}It's nice to see you in the light. 1780 01:37:24,213 --> 01:37:26,340 {\an8}You feel real. 1781 01:37:26,340 --> 01:37:28,717 {\an8}- We met, though? - No. 1782 01:37:28,717 --> 01:37:31,512 Three people are going to decide my fate. 1783 01:37:34,557 --> 01:37:37,142 And I feel they're gonna decide 1784 01:37:37,142 --> 01:37:42,106 the fate of the health of the people of the planet. 1785 01:37:42,106 --> 01:37:45,109 - I'm here for the case of Mew. - Yes. 1786 01:38:31,572 --> 01:38:33,365 John Mew speaking. 1787 01:38:33,365 --> 01:38:36,160 - Dad, it's Mike. - Yes, Mike. 1788 01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,579 So what's happening is 1789 01:38:38,579 --> 01:38:40,164 that they're gonna delay it. 1790 01:38:43,167 --> 01:38:45,502 You know, I wish we could be further along the line. 1791 01:38:45,502 --> 01:38:47,671 I wish we could have got this further, 1792 01:38:47,671 --> 01:38:53,218 but... it is what it is. 1793 01:38:53,218 --> 01:38:56,055 And I'm in this place. And there's no closure. 1794 01:38:56,055 --> 01:39:00,392 And... it's not an ideal scenario. 1795 01:39:05,689 --> 01:39:11,195 As you know, the GDC made an application to adjourn. 1796 01:39:11,195 --> 01:39:13,864 But so look, Mike. That's where we are. 1797 01:39:13,864 --> 01:39:15,032 What's going to happen 1798 01:39:15,032 --> 01:39:17,368 throughout the rest of the year, unfortunately, 1799 01:39:17,368 --> 01:39:18,911 is I suspect that when they're done 1800 01:39:18,911 --> 01:39:22,665 going back for two, maybe even three tranches 1801 01:39:22,665 --> 01:39:25,834 of two or three weeks spread out 1802 01:39:25,834 --> 01:39:29,421 over probably a few months in the year. 1803 01:39:29,421 --> 01:39:32,841 How long-- What's the worst-case scenario? Spread out of six months? 1804 01:39:32,841 --> 01:39:36,887 Um, no, worst case scenario, maybe spread out over 12 months. 1805 01:39:41,517 --> 01:39:43,477 Yeah. Yeah. 1806 01:39:43,477 --> 01:39:45,270 Yeah. Okay. [clears throat] Okay. 1807 01:39:46,188 --> 01:39:47,815 What today's been about is waiting, 1808 01:39:47,815 --> 01:39:50,234 waiting on other people to make these decisions about your life. 1809 01:39:50,234 --> 01:39:52,319 And it's excruciating. 1810 01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:56,990 You know, it really-- It's painful. 1811 01:39:57,783 --> 01:39:59,952 At no point has my father ever had 1812 01:39:59,952 --> 01:40:02,830 any proper formal engagement on his ideas and theories. 1813 01:40:04,915 --> 01:40:06,667 I mean, how much longer can he hang on? 1814 01:40:06,667 --> 01:40:08,877 He's still, you know-- I think the only reason 1815 01:40:08,877 --> 01:40:11,463 he's still mentally just there 1816 01:40:11,463 --> 01:40:13,257 is because this is going somewhere. 1817 01:40:14,591 --> 01:40:16,719 And if he doesn't get to see the end of this court call, 1818 01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:18,345 I will lose my temper. 1819 01:40:18,345 --> 01:40:20,389 I will never forgive. 1820 01:40:21,557 --> 01:40:22,683 That would just... 1821 01:40:53,005 --> 01:40:54,506 - Hey, Mum. - Hi, lovely. 1822 01:40:54,506 --> 01:40:55,716 - I'll take that. - Hey, gorgeous. 1823 01:40:55,716 --> 01:40:57,259 Yeah, you can carry that for me. 1824 01:40:57,259 --> 01:41:00,053 Hello. Hello. 1825 01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:01,305 Hello, lovely. 1826 01:41:01,305 --> 01:41:03,599 - Oh, just put it here, darling. - Lovely. 1827 01:41:03,599 --> 01:41:04,975 Thanks, darling, that's perfect. 1828 01:41:04,975 --> 01:41:06,852 Hello, birthday boy. 1829 01:41:06,852 --> 01:41:11,064 Hello, sweetheart. Why is it that sound is working full on? 1830 01:41:11,064 --> 01:41:14,568 Oh. Hello. Hello, darling daughter. 1831 01:41:14,568 --> 01:41:15,778 I don't know, Dad. 1832 01:41:15,778 --> 01:41:17,488 Actually, that's quite a good video, 1833 01:41:17,488 --> 01:41:19,531 even if I say so myself. 1834 01:41:19,531 --> 01:41:21,617 The queen's going through Edinburgh at the moment. 1835 01:41:21,617 --> 01:41:24,912 Coffin's now arrived in Holyrood. 1836 01:41:26,705 --> 01:41:28,457 I think Charles will be an amazing king, 1837 01:41:28,457 --> 01:41:30,584 but unfortunately, he's not her. 1838 01:41:30,584 --> 01:41:32,920 His ears stick out and his face has swung down. 1839 01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,380 Oh, well, Michael, you can't put it all down to facial form. 1840 01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:38,217 Sorry, Charles has a big problem. His face didn't grow well. 1841 01:41:38,217 --> 01:41:40,344 Well, I don't think you can blame it all on that. 1842 01:41:40,344 --> 01:41:44,223 I think he didn't choose well in his marriage. 1843 01:41:44,223 --> 01:41:46,350 For love, I think Diana was an amazing person, 1844 01:41:46,350 --> 01:41:47,935 but I think, unfortunately, they weren't a good-- 1845 01:41:47,935 --> 01:41:50,270 - But she was pretty, and he wasn't. - They weren't a good match. 1846 01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:52,731 Yeah, I don't think-- You can't put it all down to aesthetics. 1847 01:41:52,731 --> 01:41:53,774 Dad. Dad. 1848 01:41:53,774 --> 01:41:56,985 Oh, my goodness, you're so fast. 1849 01:41:56,985 --> 01:42:00,614 Hey, Dad, Dad, have you been watching Jessica's face? 1850 01:42:00,614 --> 01:42:02,324 - Have you noticed-- - Her face? 1851 01:42:02,324 --> 01:42:04,117 Have you noticed her face has come along lots 1852 01:42:04,117 --> 01:42:05,285 in the last six months? 1853 01:42:05,285 --> 01:42:09,164 I notice her all the time. And yes, I do think. 1854 01:42:09,164 --> 01:42:12,459 What has really helped is lip taping at night 1855 01:42:12,459 --> 01:42:14,586 - and all the gum chewing. - Yeah, I'm sure. 1856 01:42:14,586 --> 01:42:17,506 I'm still thinking, what is her indicator line? 1857 01:42:17,506 --> 01:42:18,465 It'll be too high. 1858 01:42:18,465 --> 01:42:20,092 You know it'll be too high. But it's-- 1859 01:42:20,092 --> 01:42:22,302 Yes, but that's why I'm thinking-- 1860 01:42:22,302 --> 01:42:23,637 Yeah, I know. I know. I know. 1861 01:42:23,637 --> 01:42:27,850 I couldn't do-- I couldn't put Jessica through a whole course of therapy. 1862 01:42:27,850 --> 01:42:31,019 But as you know, I'm always ambitious 1863 01:42:31,019 --> 01:42:33,605 and I'm always optimistic about it. 1864 01:42:33,605 --> 01:42:36,567 Oh, my goodness, Jesse, that is a mega one. 1865 01:42:36,567 --> 01:42:38,360 - Okay, so all right, we need-- - Don't swear. 1866 01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,445 I need a couple of volunteers to help me light this. 1867 01:42:40,445 --> 01:42:41,697 Totally. I'm in. 1868 01:42:47,661 --> 01:42:51,039 Yeah but last year we had 93 candles 1869 01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:54,793 and if you remember, I've never seen such a bonfire. 1870 01:42:57,671 --> 01:42:59,256 - Ready, ready, ready. - Cheers! 1871 01:43:01,216 --> 01:43:03,468 - Happy birthday, Poppa! - Happy birthday. 1872 01:43:03,468 --> 01:43:06,471 Happy birthday! 1873 01:43:06,471 --> 01:43:08,932 Jessica, cheers! 1874 01:43:08,932 --> 01:43:10,642 Cheers. 1875 01:43:16,106 --> 01:43:17,441 Wish, wish, have a wish? 1876 01:43:17,441 --> 01:43:18,775 Have a wish? 1877 01:43:18,775 --> 01:43:19,818 - Blow! Blow! - A wish? 1878 01:43:19,818 --> 01:43:21,153 All right, I wish that I-- 1879 01:43:21,153 --> 01:43:22,362 Now blow. 1880 01:43:22,905 --> 01:43:25,782 Quick, before the whole place goes up in flames. 1881 01:43:32,748 --> 01:43:35,208 - What was your wish, Dad? - What was your wish for? 1882 01:43:35,208 --> 01:43:37,252 - I'm not allowed to say. - Why? 1883 01:43:37,252 --> 01:43:39,546 - I'm gonna make-- - Because it won't come true. 1884 01:43:42,257 --> 01:43:44,134 It is very hard to change 1885 01:43:44,134 --> 01:43:46,929 the opinion of the entire world. 1886 01:43:46,929 --> 01:43:51,808 But I'm amazed how many people now Mew 1887 01:43:51,808 --> 01:43:55,896 or adopt Mewing, which bears my name. 1888 01:43:55,896 --> 01:44:00,651 And it shows that the public have actually accepted this-- 1889 01:44:00,651 --> 01:44:03,278 I should call this in advance-- 1890 01:44:03,278 --> 01:44:05,697 much more than the orthodontists. 1891 01:44:07,616 --> 01:44:10,285 I'm sure Michael will inherit my legacy. 1892 01:44:11,411 --> 01:44:17,167 In a way, I feel guilty because I led him into it 1893 01:44:17,167 --> 01:44:19,920 and he willingly followed. 1894 01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,381 But should I have done? 1895 01:44:22,381 --> 01:44:26,218 Should I have ever attempted to change the world at all? 1896 01:44:27,219 --> 01:44:30,889 Dad, you were the first by a long, long way 1897 01:44:30,889 --> 01:44:32,015 of putting it all together, 1898 01:44:32,015 --> 01:44:34,643 understanding what was really happening. 1899 01:44:34,643 --> 01:44:36,478 What were the terms it goes, you know, 1900 01:44:36,478 --> 01:44:39,147 they say it doesn't exist, then they fight you, 1901 01:44:39,147 --> 01:44:41,233 then eventually they say, "Oh, but it's obvious." 1902 01:44:41,233 --> 01:44:42,192 It's acceptance. 1903 01:44:42,192 --> 01:44:44,486 They say, "It's obvious. We always knew that. It was obvious." 1904 01:44:44,486 --> 01:44:47,280 Yeah, I'm a dreamer. And hopefully-- I know, and I've put my life 1905 01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,825 on the line for a dream. I have. 1906 01:44:49,825 --> 01:44:51,118 Your father's dream. 1907 01:44:51,118 --> 01:44:52,744 Yes, it was my father's dream. 1908 01:44:52,744 --> 01:44:54,079 God, what the odds are-- 1909 01:44:57,708 --> 01:45:01,336 People who aren't aesthetic sometimes just don't see it. 1910 01:45:01,336 --> 01:45:02,713 They don't-- 1911 01:45:02,713 --> 01:45:04,589 Well, I'm amazed how orthodontists 1912 01:45:04,589 --> 01:45:06,925 don't see facial change. 1913 01:45:06,925 --> 01:45:09,636 No, a lot of people are just immune to art. 1914 01:45:09,636 --> 01:45:11,763 It's interesting. I guess you're right, though. 1915 01:45:11,763 --> 01:45:14,975 They're immune. They just, you know, they don't see art. 1916 01:45:14,975 --> 01:45:18,186 They don't see art in the same way and they don't get the same appreciation. 1917 01:45:18,186 --> 01:45:21,273 And in a way, I would say this is an element of art. 1918 01:45:21,273 --> 01:45:23,650 To appreciate beauty is to appreciate art. 1919 01:45:23,650 --> 01:45:24,693 Yeah. 1920 01:46:06,818 --> 01:46:11,364 I-- I do think because what I've said is different, 1921 01:46:11,364 --> 01:46:13,241 it will be recorded. 1922 01:46:13,241 --> 01:46:16,995 And ultimately, I don't have the slightest doubt 1923 01:46:16,995 --> 01:46:21,333 that orthotropics will displace orthodontics. 1924 01:46:21,333 --> 01:46:23,919 That, in a way, is quite an important thing, 1925 01:46:23,919 --> 01:46:28,090 and I suppose that in future, people will write that down and say, 1926 01:46:28,090 --> 01:46:30,092 "This guy John Mew thought it up." 1927 01:46:30,092 --> 01:46:33,804 But, you know, I'm gonna be dead, so it won't affect me. 151200

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