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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,236 --> 00:00:03,337 BICKLE: / go all over: 2 00:00:03,504 --> 00:00:06,740 I take PSCOple to ine Bronx, Brooklyn. | take them to Harlem. 3 00:00:06,907 --> 00:00:10,444 | dont Care. Dont make no cirerence to me; 4 00:00:10,611 --> 00:00:14,281 Its aloout a GUly sort of drifting around. 5 00:00:15,182 --> 00:00:17,417 Ae Girl Ae wants, he cant have! 6 00:00:17,584 --> 00:00:18,919 BICKLE: TAS iS not so load. 7 00:00:19,119 --> 00:00:22,923 Taking Mme to a place like tis is as exciting as saying, “Let's fuck." 8 00:00:23,123 --> 00:00:25,25 SCHIRADER: The girl he can have, ne doesnt want. 9 00:00:25,192 --> 00:00:28,529 BICKLE: lm not square. You're square. You're full of shit, man. 10 00:00:28,695 --> 00:00:31,398 SCRINAD ERS Tries to kill the father figure of one: 11 00:00:31,598 --> 00:00:32,666 (CROWD TESRING| 12 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:34,434 Pails. 13 00:00:35,435 --> 00:00:39,106 Kills the father figure of tine other, Decomes 2 ero. 14 00:00:40,374 --> 00:00:45,879 KOLIKER: A lot of these tilms of that decade are dealing with isolation, 15 00:00:46,46 --> 00:00:51,919 Are dealing with figures wito cant quite manage in the world: 16 00:00:52,85 --> 00:00:57,391 Or if they do manage, their managing comes to a load end: 17 00:00:58,792 --> 00:01:02,429 BIGKLE: Loneliness has followed me my whole life, everywnere. 18 00:01:02,596 --> 00:01:06,33 I'm God's lonely man. 19 00:01:06,199 --> 00:01:08,435 SCrINADERS hatimechanisinn 20 00:01:08,602 --> 00:01:12,339 Or NOL Naving what you can get... 21 00:01:12,506 --> 00:01:15,509 Ald NOt wanting what you have... 22 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:19,112 | IS te mechanism of loneliness, 23 00:01:19,713 --> 00:01:22,249 We are not lonely by nature 24 00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:24,318 We make ourselves lonely. 25 00:01:24,518 --> 00:01:26,787 Travis makes himseli lonely. 26 00:01:27,688 --> 00:01:30,190 [SI] 27 00:01:38,265 --> 00:01:41,268 BICKLE: All the animals come out at nicht. 28 00:01:41,602 --> 00:01:47,107 Whores, SKUNK-OUSSISS, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies. 29 00:01:47,708 --> 00:01:50,10 Sick, veneall. 30 00:01:50,177 --> 00:01:54,514 Someday a real rainill come MMOMIMAS MMA MUMISESCUMMONMUNERSUNCEUS) 31 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:57,50 iy Gaurch, nine Christian Refomed Churci= 32 00:01:57,217 --> 00:02:01,722 There Was a synodicall decreas passed in 1922... 33 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:05,58 ool WIS ASIGIAT of the, uh, religious reaction... 34 00:02:05,225 --> 00:02:10,263 0 the Jazz Age, against wnat they called worldly amusements. 35 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:13,166 Movies were not permitted! by the Church. 36 00:02:13,333 --> 00:02:16,803 But | really cidnt see movies in a Serious way... 37 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:19,06 LUM | Got to College. 38 00:02:19,172 --> 00:02:23,477 And then tell in love wit the European cinema of the 60s. 39 00:02:24,344 --> 00:02:26,313 [SI] 40 00:02:27,47 --> 00:02:31,318 We started a til society wnere the Bergman films were being shown... 41 00:02:31,485 --> 00:02:34,921 Laalll 2 SOFt Of SON-COre porn theater... 42 00:02:35,122 --> 00:02:39,126 _ lnat thought it could malke 2 louck by showing some arthouse stuti. 43 00:02:39,326 --> 00:02:41,428 SO We started reviewing these... 44 00:02:41,595 --> 00:02:46,133 and, ula, this all caused a great furor, 45 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:49,603 Ane! SO it was proloalolly te relellion of it all... 46 00:02:49,770 --> 00:02:55,709 tat first attiracted me, anc tien the iilms themselves. 47 00:02:56,09 --> 00:02:57,811 [SI] 48 00:02:58,378 --> 00:03:01,81 I'd been reading a lot aloout tilms but | hadnt seen many. 49 00:03:01,248 --> 00:03:05,952 ‘SO, UlA, | took a SuMMMETF to Ga to Columbia University... 50 00:03:06,119 --> 00:03:09,623 and take some iil Courses, just to see films. 51 00:03:09,790 --> 00:03:14,561 And that summer, through an odd serendipity... 52 00:03:14,728 --> 00:03:17,97 CL | met Pauline Kael 53 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:23,103 And, uli, Pauline otrered to become my mentor. 54 00:03:23,437 --> 00:03:27,708 | corresponded with her. She got me into UCLA Film School. 55 00:03:27,908 --> 00:03:30,477 Not as 4 timmaler. J 56 00:03:30,644 --> 00:03:33,80 L Jou 2s 4 til scnolarr 57 00:03:33,246 --> 00:03:34,881 | was Irn the tlm studies program. 58 00:03:35,48 --> 00:03:37,250 Would you like to come have Some Cofiee and pie with me? 59 00:03:37,417 --> 00:03:38,452 Winy’?) 60 00:03:39,686 --> 00:03:41,254 I think youre a lonely person. 61 00:03:41,988 --> 00:03:43,323 lula’? lula 62 00:03:43,490 --> 00:03:44,858 And! || think you need someting: 63 00:03:46,727 --> 00:03:48,995 SCRINAD ERS | Got off a plane... 64 00:03:50,997 --> 00:03:54,34 Lalli OF 1968 trom Grand Rapids. 65 00:03:54,968 --> 00:04:00,507 | went over to UCLA, found people who were looking for a housemate. 66 00:04:00,707 --> 00:04:04,611 TASKS Were five OF US living in. 2 house in the Fairiax district, 67 00:04:04,778 --> 00:04:07,214 And that night somebody saids 68 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:11,218 YOU KHOW, WETS GOING UP to a parry in Topanga.” 69 00:04:11,384 --> 00:04:13,320 Ano on we went 70 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,325 Ane the very night | got there, | was sitting in there at a party... 71 00:04:18,825 --> 00:04:23,263 ner midnight wittn all trese Topanga rats. 72 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:26,700 You know, wearing taloleclotns and smoking joints. 73 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:29,503 Playing music ly canclleligit... 74 00:04:29,669 --> 00:04:33,06 | _ano sort of culture shock... 75 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:39,146 Or that rapid relocation, disloeaionr 76 00:04:39,312 --> 00:04:42,315 | Was writing tairly soon ror the LA. Free Press... 77 00:04:42,482 --> 00:04:44,317 ..Whlch was tie altemative paler... 78 00:04:44,518 --> 00:04:47,888 L_wiich was involved in alll kinds of... 79 00:04:48,54 --> 00:04:51,758 Al ANtier ACIVIES and, ulA, drug promotions. 80 00:04:51,925 --> 00:04:56,730 | got involved In an anwar... 81 00:04:57,264 --> 00:05:02,636 Ul, Protest at UCLA. | got arrested. So all of a sudden, | was in this world. 82 00:05:03,270 --> 00:05:04,905 [PEOPLE CHEERING] 83 00:05:06,273 --> 00:05:08,408 [SI] 84 00:05:10,844 --> 00:05:13,246 i's just always that tecling that: 85 00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:15,415 Yea, I'm here, I'm here with you. 86 00:05:15,582 --> 00:05:19,519 And its 2 Groove ane we're alll together, but I’m really not here. 87 00:05:19,686 --> 00:05:21,855 This isn't reallly me. 88 00:05:22,22 --> 00:05:24,24 rm really somewhere else.” 89 00:05:24,191 --> 00:05:28,395 Not because of religious principles, it's just because... 90 00:05:28,795 --> 00:05:31,131 L iait'S Mot wo | was! 91 00:05:31,298 --> 00:05:34,701 es Dot wao | was raiseo to pe! 92 00:05:34,901 --> 00:05:35,902 mn hip. 93 00:05:36,136 --> 00:05:38,338 ria. Funny, you don't look lio. 94 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:43,109 In retlection, | think, the origins of that character... 95 00:05:43,276 --> 00:05:46,313 , COMES trom tie Origins of that dislocation. 96 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:50,83 Travis, wnat IS the One thing aloout this country that bugs you the most? 97 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:52,552 BICKLE: You sell your littiie pussy for nothing, man? 98 00:05:52,719 --> 00:05:54,221 For some lowliie pimo? 99 00:05:54,387 --> 00:05:58,458 This city here’s like an open sewer. i's full of Tilia ancl scum. 100 00:05:59,326 --> 00:06:00,927 Dont you wanna get out of here? 101 00:06:01,127 --> 00:06:02,429 Whoever becomes the president... 102 00:06:02,596 --> 00:06:05,265 , ~SiOUld just flush it right down the fucking toilet. 103 00:06:05,799 --> 00:06:08,468 SCHIRADER: There were things tat it me at tine same time. 104 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:11,71 Collasekofealinamiace: 105 00:06:11,238 --> 00:06:16,443 I len the All im protest against George Stevens’ policies. 106 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:21,114 AP] was my home at that time. It was my only place to be. 107 00:06:21,281 --> 00:06:23,283 Ur 108 00:06:23,516 --> 00:06:25,518 | ac igoulaies 109 00:06:25,719 --> 00:06:29,189 The woman | lett my wire tor (ihrew Mme Out. 110 00:06:29,489 --> 00:06:31,458 And! || had no money: 111 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:33,793 Ourt of tigis tuk J 112 00:06:34,527 --> 00:06:38,865 , merged this notion of the calo driver. 113 00:06:39,32 --> 00:06:41,67 ne tag drivers 114 00:06:41,368 --> 00:06:45,505 This guy in a metal cofiin..4 115 00:06:45,672 --> 00:06:47,674 -Oawng throug... 116 00:06:48,875 --> 00:06:51,811 Le SEWSFS, YOU KNOW, sort of NosferatuHlike.... 117 00:06:51,978 --> 00:06:54,314 mrougn thie streets of New Yori: 118 00:06:54,848 --> 00:06:57,717 Someone who seemed to le surrounded ly people... 119 00:06:57,884 --> 00:06:59,452 Out WO Was Completely alone. 120 00:07:00,253 --> 00:07:02,22 BICKLE: June Sin 121 00:07:02,188 --> 00:07:04,858 My Ine has taken another turn again. 122 00:07:05,25 --> 00:07:08,495 Tne days move along wih regularity, over and over. 123 00:07:08,662 --> 00:07:11,364 One day indistinguishable rom the Next 124 00:07:11,531 --> 00:07:15,969 A\ long, continuous chain, tnen suddenly... 125 00:07:16,202 --> 00:07:18,438 Alera IS 2 CNange. 126 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:21,508 od been tinting with the idea of being a screenwriter. 127 00:07:22,409 --> 00:07:24,511 Over the years, there's a character... 128 00:07:24,711 --> 00:07:28,448 -.- YOu know, that | have Kine of written gloout anc come lack to... 129 00:07:28,615 --> 00:07:31,518 Wo tirst emerged as lravis Bickle. 130 00:07:32,852 --> 00:07:37,90 And tals is a Character that | call "The Peeper"... 131 00:07:37,257 --> 00:07:39,326 |_.wioaiclh is a kincl of an outsider! 132 00:07:39,526 --> 00:07:42,62 TAS Guy who wanders around... 133 00:07:42,228 --> 00:07:45,899 Cano looks Into tine wincows. 1 134 00:07:46,66 --> 00:07:49,703 | Or 2 Culture or 2 civilization... 135 00:07:49,869 --> 00:07:53,306 LU, OU Cant Guike get INSICe. 136 00:07:54,574 --> 00:07:59,612 And that reeling, olviously, comes through in Yad Driver... 137 00:07:59,779 --> 00:08:02,48 . and as come through over and over again... 138 00:08:02,215 --> 00:08:04,117 | in Various male characters... 139 00:08:04,317 --> 00:08:07,454 wool VO WItian alOOUT or directed films aloout, 140 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:11,124 riley, Calobie, you can't parix here. 141 00:08:12,292 --> 00:08:15,729 Come on! Cone on, let's go! Let's go! Move ttl 142 00:08:15,929 --> 00:08:18,598 SCrIRAD ERE The immediate inspirations for itt... 143 00:08:18,765 --> 00:08:22,135 , .loout the year loerore, there had been that song by Harry Chapin... 144 00:08:22,302 --> 00:08:24,04 Meallechairak 145 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:26,506 Oloviously | knew that song. 146 00:08:26,706 --> 00:08:30,610 | had heared aloout Bremer. ‘The diaries weren't out yet, 147 00:08:30,777 --> 00:08:33,79 [SI] 148 00:08:33,246 --> 00:08:36,883 SO | just started outing this together, 149 00:08:37,83 --> 00:08:39,719 And, you know, the character was that underground man... 150 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,523 Ll OUISICer, tHe SIANGEF. 151 00:08:43,723 --> 00:08:46,292 | knew that’s wnere nie Character came from. 152 00:08:46,459 --> 00:08:52,32 SO before writing the Script, | reread) L’ Etranger and La Nausée... 153 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:55,668 LUSK tO SOF OF get my mind... 154 00:08:55,835 --> 00:08:59,472 alll (Ne Mindset of those kinds of characters. 155 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:02,675 lravis, you know Doughisoy, Charlie 1.2? 156 00:09:03,610 --> 00:09:06,112 Comenancenomeannickelr 157 00:09:06,312 --> 00:09:08,715 Doughboy! co anything tor a louck. 158 00:09:08,882 --> 00:09:11,484 KOLKIER: One of the remarkable things aloout... 159 00:09:11,651 --> 00:09:15,622 Le films that Schrader writes for Scorsesé.... 160 00:09:15,789 --> 00:09:20,493 lS tne Capturing or the raytam of New York speech. 161 00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:23,863 Fireen dollars, 15 minutes. Twenty-five dollars, half an hour: 162 00:09:24,30 --> 00:09:28,535 It never sounds like t's imitating ordinary speech. 163 00:09:28,701 --> 00:09:31,838 I's Got a kine! of almost... 164 00:09:32,05 --> 00:09:34,874 --AOSUG SCNSS. The sense of repetition. 165 00:09:35,41 --> 00:09:37,110 | just WANnHaA GO OUT... 166 00:09:38,78 --> 00:09:39,712 eral 167 00:09:41,281 --> 00:09:42,715 | really wanna... 168 00:09:42,882 --> 00:09:45,985 | got some bad ideas in my head! [ just 169 00:09:47,654 --> 00:09:50,490 | think that Is reallly important. 170 00:09:50,657 --> 00:09:53,927 I think clalogue’s relatively easy. 171 00:09:54,327 --> 00:09:58,198 | mean, if you think or some particularly good lines... 172 00:09:58,364 --> 00:10:00,433 ,.-VOU |] put them In your Outline. 173 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,903 But clalogue ts relatively easy! 174 00:10:04,70 --> 00:10:06,439 Swucture, this is tough. 175 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,142 | did then what | stall cdo today..4 176 00:10:09,309 --> 00:10:12,545 L Which IS just ouwing on a legal pad. 177 00:10:12,712 --> 00:10:15,548 just list the scenes, one, two, three, four. 178 00:10:15,715 --> 00:10:18,918 First Outline said “Numloer one, Travis gets a job. 179 00:10:19,85 --> 00:10:23,223 Number two=" They were just listings of what the scenes were, you know. 180 00:10:23,389 --> 00:10:27,961 “Travis lOUyS 2 GUA, YOU KNOW. "Travis meets Betsy,” you know. Ha, ha. 181 00:10:28,128 --> 00:10:31,798 A\na So that when | look at thie outline, | Know what the scenes were, 182 00:10:31,965 --> 00:10:34,834 And as | perrected that tecnanique over the yealrs... 183 00:10:35,01 --> 00:10:36,870 Lol WOUlG Start TO PUL page Counts clown there, 184 00:10:37,36 --> 00:10:41,74 So that even at the outline level, | would have a fairly clear idea... 185 00:10:41,241 --> 00:10:44,544 La WACN YOU Cane to scene 18... 186 00:10:44,711 --> 00:10:47,547 --- VOU Would know that that was Gonna occur somewhere between... 187 00:10:47,714 --> 00:10:51,718 ,.OAge 43 anc 50, yOu KnOW... 188 00:10:51,918 --> 00:10:53,353 ..6VEN before yOu wrote tie Script. 189 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,121 BICKLE: You know you have beautiul eyes? 190 00:10:55,321 --> 00:10:57,123 RANSSENGERE Do you see the woman in the window? 191 00:10:57,323 --> 00:10:59,726 BETSY: | dont believe I've ever met anyone quite like you. 192 00:10:59,926 --> 00:11:02,629 -Jhat's my wit. -[' NO pusher. I've never pushed: 193 00:11:02,795 --> 00:11:04,697 SCrIRAD ERE You know, the script came... 194 00:11:05,398 --> 00:11:07,66 L-aCUMS GUIGKIY. 195 00:11:07,233 --> 00:11:10,670 | dicln’t have any place to live at te tine... 196 00:11:10,837 --> 00:11:13,506 «80 | talked myselt loack into the apariment... 197 00:11:13,706 --> 00:11:18,378 .Oor tne girl | hac oroken up wit DSCcaUsS SHS WAS OU Of town. 198 00:11:18,912 --> 00:11:22,749 Ane sine let me stay there for 2 couple weeks. 199 00:11:22,916 --> 00:11:26,152 And in those couple or weeks, [ just wrote continuously. 200 00:11:26,319 --> 00:11:29,622 | cient wanna mess the Nouse UD... 201 00:11:29,789 --> 00:11:33,326 --ADSCAUSS Se reallly cicihnt want me there, so | just slept on the sofa... 202 00:11:33,493 --> 00:11:35,94 Lao] worked] In tae iichen. 203 00:11:35,261 --> 00:11:37,330 Slept on the sora, worked in the kitchen. 204 00:11:37,497 --> 00:11:41,100 Ano tien || finisinecl one drat... 205 00:11:41,301 --> 00:11:44,904 L.winich was, | trlnk, aloout 75, 80 pages. 206 00:11:45,71 --> 00:11:48,308 | went riglit Into another clratt, which was aloout a hundred pages. 207 00:11:48,741 --> 00:11:51,211 [SI] 208 00:11:56,516 --> 00:11:58,251 BICKLE: June 29th, 209 00:11:59,118 --> 00:12:01,921 | Goa Get In Shape now. oo much sitting has ruined my bodly. 210 00:12:02,121 --> 00:12:04,824 Oo much alouse has gone on for too long. 211 00:12:04,991 --> 00:12:07,627 From now on, itll! be DO pushups each moming. 212 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:10,597 FPirigy [ouII-UpS. here will be no more pills. 213 00:12:10,763 --> 00:12:15,368 There will be no more bac food), no more destroyers of my body. 214 00:12:15,768 --> 00:12:19,505 From now on, itil be total organization. Every muscle must be tight. 215 00:12:19,672 --> 00:12:23,443 KOLIKIER: Botta Paul Scaracder ano Scorsese share 2 love of film. 216 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:27,80 Schrader is specitically interested in... 217 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:29,716 | French filmmaker, Robert Bresson, 218 00:12:29,916 --> 00:12:33,920 And in one particular til of Bresson's called Pickpocket... 219 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,457 L..WIGA IS tiseli? an increciloly tig At... 220 00:12:38,291 --> 00:12:41,194 ..caretully structured, ul... 221 00:12:43,96 --> 00:12:46,332 , AUKOnN-downed film in the sense that it just delivers the most... 222 00:12:46,499 --> 00:12:52,38 iinimal amount of iniormation that it can at any particular point, 223 00:12:52,505 --> 00:12:58,511 ANitekSciiacdemisralso 4 great fan of John Ford... 224 00:12:58,711 --> 00:13:00,847 a8 Is Scorsese, 225 00:13:01,47 --> 00:13:04,117 SO Jax Driver turns out to have major influences... 226 00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:07,620 AOL (WO tilms, Psycho and The Searchers. 227 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:13,159 ne Searchers is tne great Joan Wayne Westem, the great captivity story. 228 00:13:13,326 --> 00:13:19,299 But also a story aloout A vaguely psychotic hero... 229 00:13:20,667 --> 00:13:23,870 -.WNOS Coralnly Sor of monomaniacal in nis hatred... 230 00:13:24,37 --> 00:13:27,40 and his oosessive Pursullt. 231 00:13:27,206 --> 00:13:31,110 SO Schrader writes a script which draws on Ford... 232 00:13:31,277 --> 00:13:35,682 _ WhIGA draws On Bresson: And it clearly ts otiiering... 233 00:13:35,848 --> 00:13:41,220 --S Well, 2 SENSO Of lDottlec-uUp and ultimately exploding violence: 234 00:13:41,387 --> 00:13:42,889 [GUNSHOT 235 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:48,127 ‘hat Scorsese has loeen interested in, certainly we see it in Mean Streets... 236 00:13:48,294 --> 00:13:50,797 wall WIIG things go along, and go along and everybodly..4 237 00:13:50,963 --> 00:13:53,633 oS SOF OF MOVING att this rapid pace and then, bam. 238 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:54,867 [GUNSHOT 239 00:13:55,34 --> 00:13:57,503 People get shot and there's lolooe all over the place. 240 00:13:57,670 --> 00:14:01,641 So it's an almost IME MIAOERCOMMECHONE 241 00:14:01,808 --> 00:14:03,509 Ks 4 connection tigi Survives. J 242 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:06,312 Over a number of iilis that Schracler writes. 243 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:08,81 | miglit be going away ‘or a winille. 244 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:13,19 BICKLE: Tne idea had been growing lin my brain for some time. 245 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,221 ue force. 246 00:14:15,388 --> 00:14:19,692 All ne kings men cannot jut it back together again: 247 00:14:20,393 --> 00:14:21,494 LUIRIGGER CLICKS] 248 00:14:21,661 --> 00:14:25,498 KOLIKER: | think, pernaps, loot Scorsese ad Scaracler... 249 00:14:25,665 --> 00:14:28,801 Are 2WAre OF what Orson Welles once said. 250 00:14:28,968 --> 00:14:33,373 Welles, the maker of some of the most powerful images in film... 251 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:36,275 , Wio says that, “All tlm begins with tine written word.” 252 00:14:36,442 --> 00:14:39,712 I'ma Of thie belief that oy the time the film started shooting... 253 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,714 [4] WIIKSrS jOld sSnould joe done: 254 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:45,151 liv 2 writer [Ss On & Set, It USUallly means there's something wrong. 255 00:14:45,418 --> 00:14:50,22 BeECAUSS the wrhier creates this template... 256 00:14:50,189 --> 00:14:53,25 and now other people are actually living it... 257 00:14:53,192 --> 00:14:55,228 Land i Shiould belong to them now. 258 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:59,999 And so | was here in New York during preproduction... 259 00:15:00,166 --> 00:15:02,935 wien | was actually usetul... 260 00:15:03,102 --> 00:15:07,39 Lwnen the kinds of decisions were Still in flu 261 00:15:07,206 --> 00:15:09,108 But once thie film started shooting... 262 00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:11,444 bool WANS tO GO loack to L.A, | Waniec! tO... 263 00:15:11,611 --> 00:15:14,847 WOK ON HANS tlm | was trying to direct. 264 00:15:15,14 --> 00:15:18,684 And | reallly dict teel needed or useiuL, 265 00:15:18,851 --> 00:15:22,321 KOLIKER: | think the tact that Schrader was not there, again... 266 00:15:22,522 --> 00:15:25,258 AIS An acknowledgment on his part... 267 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:28,60 on tne part of a writerhilmmeaker... 268 00:15:28,227 --> 00:15:32,698 All UNE MS tO Step aside is when the writing is done... 269 00:15:32,899 --> 00:15:34,934 Cano ie cirecior taxes Over, 270 00:15:35,134 --> 00:15:38,237 | client tell you to write. [ just said, “Pull over.” 271 00:15:38,404 --> 00:15:40,907 We pulled over to tthe curio! We're gonna sit here. 272 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:43,443 Were gonna sit. 273 00:15:43,609 --> 00:15:48,147 SGHIRADIER: You know, | dont remember having..¥ 274 00:15:48,314 --> 00:15:50,316 ANY FO 275 00:15:51,717 --> 00:15:55,822 KING Of SChpt Conversations... 276 00:15:55,988 --> 00:15:58,291 [wii entner De Niro or Scorsese 277 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:00,460 | mean, they knew exactly who this guy was. 278 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:04,297 ‘They knew it. hey knew this thing. 279 00:16:04,497 --> 00:16:07,99 BICKILE: Listen, you fuckers, you screwneads. 280 00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:10,903 ere Is a man who would not fake it anymore. 281 00:16:11,70 --> 00:16:12,939 A man wno stood up against the SCUMM... 282 00:16:13,105 --> 00:16:15,942 Lol CUNUS, Ie GOS, ine filth, the shit. 283 00:16:16,108 --> 00:16:17,844 (ere IS SOMEONE WO StOOd UP. 284 00:16:18,10 --> 00:16:22,515 Once during the shooting, De Niro called me up... 285 00:16:23,82 --> 00:16:27,720 "Would the character say this?” 286 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:34,227 And | saicl, “Look, Bob, I'm in LA, im working on Blue Collar. 287 00:16:34,393 --> 00:16:37,296 You're tin New Yori, youre Shooting with Marty... 288 00:16:37,463 --> 00:16:43,302 ---VOUTS WEAFING My Oats, youre wearing Travis’ jacket. 289 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:47,507 Ir you think he would say tt, | bet you he would.” 290 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,712 And that's, | tink, the ideal position to be as a writer. 291 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:55,81 Where you have so pluggec Inthe actor... 292 00:16:55,248 --> 00:16:58,618 Flan WAC LAC actor does gO Ofi+5o0k... 293 00:16:58,784 --> 00:17:01,921 L-ll@ GOSS Of-DoOk in exactly the way that you would go... 294 00:17:02,88 --> 00:17:04,56 Lal YOU Were Standing next to Ihin. 295 00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:07,727 And usually, | tind that they go Ofttoook prety damn well. 296 00:17:07,894 --> 00:17:11,597 BECAUSS tine seript has deiinec the character in such 2 way... 297 00:17:11,764 --> 00:17:14,700 mnie When they Star Changing Clialogue... 298 00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:16,836 Ley re Changing It in Character. 299 00:17:17,236 --> 00:17:19,872 BICKLE: Im stancing here. You Make the Move, 300 00:17:20,39 --> 00:17:21,908 You talking to me? 301 00:17:22,308 --> 00:17:24,277 You talking to me? 302 00:17:24,443 --> 00:17:27,713 Wino tine fuck Go you tninik youre talking to? 303 00:17:28,114 --> 00:17:30,750 Oh, yeahh? lun? 304 00:17:31,984 --> 00:17:33,519 305 00:17:35,454 --> 00:17:36,822 306 00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:40,826 SCFIRADER: You write a scene ane you get the dialogue right, anc it reallly works. 307 00:17:41,227 --> 00:17:43,429 Bun tat doesnt mean. 308 00:17:43,596 --> 00:17:46,432 lat thas tie Only way nO Make that scene work, 309 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:49,936 | mean, tiie very tact of blocking. 310 00:17:50,102 --> 00:17:52,104 You con't write blocking in a Script. 311 00:17:52,305 --> 00:17:56,75 Blocking is fundamental to the playing of any scene: 312 00:17:56,242 --> 00:17:58,411 SO you have a scene wit iwo characters. 313 00:17:58,578 --> 00:18:00,947 All of a sudden, they start moving around. 314 00:18:01,113 --> 00:18:04,216 Ane! one Is going here and one is going there. 315 00:18:04,383 --> 00:18:07,53 Well, that changes tie clalogue right there. 316 00:18:07,219 --> 00:18:09,355 Ihe moment your characters are moving around... 317 00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:12,992 Lllnes that seem to work when theyre looking at cach other aren"t working... 318 00:18:13,159 --> 00:18:15,261 , LSCQUSS theyre Not looking at each other anymore. 319 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:18,97 And mayne one or them is in the other room now! 320 00:18:18,864 --> 00:18:24,837 lif YOU SXPeCt tine actors to Keep reading lines that, that don’t fit... 321 00:18:25,04 --> 00:18:29,408 -- ADSCAUSS they relolocked the Scene. No. You can come up with new lines. 322 00:18:30,42 --> 00:18:32,511 The waly tt worked With, Jad Driver is... 323 00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:36,916 Its Say I'd write a scone at three and a half cages. 324 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:40,653 Meaning ideally taree and 2 halt minutes of screen time. 325 00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:44,457 Marty would get there and he would start to exoand it. 326 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:46,58 expand tt In relnearsalls. 327 00:18:46,225 --> 00:18:49,695 three and-a-half pages... 328 00:18:49,895 --> 00:18:52,498 olS MOW elng Shot maybe att five pages. 329 00:18:52,698 --> 00:18:56,702 MoaderancKaliraliinactsome now gotten added as it went along. 330 00:18:56,869 --> 00:19:00,840 And then Marty and the ealitor sit there arenward. 331 00:19:01,07 --> 00:19:04,443 hey have the Script and tt says, according to the template... 332 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:06,412 LalllS IS a three-anc-a-halli minute scene, 333 00:19:06,579 --> 00:19:08,47 Kt works at tnree and a nal minutes! 334 00:19:08,214 --> 00:19:12,118 Now, we have a iiive or sieminute first Cut 335 00:19:12,318 --> 00:19:14,920 SO let's go back and look att the script and say what... 336 00:19:15,121 --> 00:19:18,357 rom tne wrkers Point or view, Was alosolutely necessary to get done here? 337 00:19:18,524 --> 00:19:21,727 What exposition? Which character development? Which comic relief? 338 00:19:21,894 --> 00:19:25,31 Now, lhhow can we get those things done... 339 00:19:25,197 --> 00:19:26,899 Keep it at three and a hall minutes... 340 00:19:27,99 --> 00:19:29,235 - Wet CNEITY=DIGK tne loest of the six minutes? 341 00:19:29,802 --> 00:19:31,704 So tne final tree and a hal minutes... 342 00:19:31,904 --> 00:19:34,874 Sit necessarily three and a hall minutes that was in the script. 343 00:19:35,41 --> 00:19:38,678 SPORT: Fiey, man! Don't take out no money over here. 344 00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:40,913 VOU WANNA tuck me? 345 00:19:41,113 --> 00:19:43,516 Youre gonna Tuck her, you give her the money. 346 00:19:43,716 --> 00:19:47,286 BU It Is an equivalent tree and 4 hal naimurtes| 347 00:19:52,992 --> 00:19:54,560 [SIREN WAILING] 348 00:19:56,962 --> 00:19:58,464 KVOMWANKSEREAMIS) 349 00:19:59,365 --> 00:20:02,468 SCHIRADER: A story springs out Of its environment. 350 00:20:02,768 --> 00:20:07,306 Bu you Ope that the character is strong enough... 351 00:20:07,473 --> 00:20:11,811 L lat WASH LAS inimediate environment changes... 352 00:20:11,977 --> 00:20:14,547 wnen the Vienam War GOSS WAY... 353 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:17,349 when limes Square gets cleaned up... 354 00:20:17,516 --> 00:20:19,251 Lie character Is sii] valici 355 00:20:20,786 --> 00:20:23,189 [SI] 356 00:20:26,292 --> 00:20:29,795 | Got Inko Screenwriting as a form of self-therapy. 357 00:20:29,962 --> 00:20:32,798 When | tirst was writing the script, [ thought it was aloout loneliness. 358 00:20:32,965 --> 00:20:36,736 What | learned while writing the script is that this was aioout 4 man... 359 00:20:36,902 --> 00:20:40,306 WO SUIiered tron the pathology of loneliness. 360 00:20:40,506 --> 00:20:42,441 rile wasn't lonely ly nature. 361 00:20:42,608 --> 00:20:46,378 rie was lonely ASHaICelenSeumechalniSinne 362 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:52,818 And Ae reiniiorced his own loneliness by his own behavior. 363 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,157 And tie pathology grew until it became malignant and violent. 364 00:21:01,694 --> 00:21:07,633 TASrSeTore, It Is a very American kine! of pathology: 365 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:12,705 And it's the study of a sick man, 366 00:21:12,905 --> 00:21:14,740 You know, the underground man. 367 00:21:14,907 --> 00:21:18,10 AAs Dostoyevsky sald); "lam 2 sick man." 368 00:21:18,410 --> 00:21:20,880 [SI] 28460

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