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BICKLE:
/ go all over:
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I take PSCOple to ine Bronx,
Brooklyn. | take them to Harlem.
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| dont Care.
Dont make no cirerence to me;
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Its aloout a GUly
sort of drifting around.
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Ae Girl Ae wants, he cant have!
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BICKLE:
TAS iS not so load.
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Taking Mme to a place like tis
is as exciting as saying, “Let's fuck."
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SCHIRADER: The girl he can have,
ne doesnt want.
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BICKLE: lm not square. You're square.
You're full of shit, man.
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SCRINAD ERS
Tries to kill the father figure of one:
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(CROWD TESRING|
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Pails.
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Kills the father figure of tine other,
Decomes 2 ero.
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KOLIKER: A lot of these tilms
of that decade are dealing with isolation,
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Are dealing with figures
wito cant quite manage in the world:
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Or if they do manage,
their managing comes to a load end:
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BIGKLE: Loneliness has followed me
my whole life, everywnere.
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I'm God's lonely man.
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SCrINADERS
hatimechanisinn
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Or NOL Naving what you can get...
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Ald NOt wanting what you have...
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| IS te mechanism of loneliness,
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We are not lonely by nature
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We make ourselves lonely.
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Travis makes himseli lonely.
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[SI]
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BICKLE:
All the animals come out at nicht.
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Whores, SKUNK-OUSSISS, buggers,
queens, fairies, dopers, junkies.
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Sick, veneall.
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Someday a real rainill come
MMOMIMAS MMA MUMISESCUMMONMUNERSUNCEUS)
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iy Gaurch,
nine Christian Refomed Churci=
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There Was a synodicall decreas
passed in 1922...
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ool WIS ASIGIAT
of the, uh, religious reaction...
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0 the Jazz Age, against wnat they
called worldly amusements.
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Movies were not permitted!
by the Church.
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But | really cidnt see movies
in a Serious way...
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LUM | Got to College.
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And then tell in love wit
the European cinema of the 60s.
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[SI]
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We started a til society wnere
the Bergman films were being shown...
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Laalll 2 SOFt Of SON-COre porn theater...
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_ lnat thought it could malke 2 louck
by showing some arthouse stuti.
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SO We started reviewing these...
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and, ula, this all caused a great furor,
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Ane! SO it was proloalolly
te relellion of it all...
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tat first attiracted me,
anc tien the iilms themselves.
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[SI]
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I'd been reading a lot aloout tilms
but | hadnt seen many.
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‘SO, UlA, | took a SuMMMETF to Ga
to Columbia University...
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and take some iil Courses,
just to see films.
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And that summer,
through an odd serendipity...
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CL | met Pauline Kael
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And, uli, Pauline otrered
to become my mentor.
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| corresponded with her.
She got me into UCLA Film School.
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Not as 4 timmaler. J
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L Jou 2s 4 til scnolarr
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| was Irn the tlm studies program.
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Would you like to come have
Some Cofiee and pie with me?
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Winy’?)
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I think youre a lonely person.
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lula’? lula
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And! || think you need someting:
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SCRINAD ERS
| Got off a plane...
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Lalli OF 1968 trom Grand Rapids.
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| went over to UCLA, found people
who were looking for a housemate.
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TASKS Were five OF US living
in. 2 house in the Fairiax district,
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And that night somebody saids
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YOU KHOW, WETS GOING UP to a parry
in Topanga.”
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Ano on we went
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Ane the very night | got there,
| was sitting in there at a party...
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ner midnight wittn all trese
Topanga rats.
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You know, wearing taloleclotns
and smoking joints.
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Playing music ly canclleligit...
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| _ano sort of culture shock...
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Or that rapid relocation,
disloeaionr
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| Was writing tairly soon
ror the LA. Free Press...
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..Whlch was tie altemative paler...
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L_wiich was involved in alll kinds of...
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Al ANtier ACIVIES
and, ulA, drug promotions.
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| got involved In an anwar...
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Ul, Protest at UCLA. | got arrested.
So all of a sudden, | was in this world.
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[PEOPLE CHEERING]
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[SI]
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i's just always that tecling that:
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Yea, I'm here, I'm here with you.
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And its 2 Groove ane we're alll
together, but I’m really not here.
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This isn't reallly me.
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rm really somewhere else.”
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Not because of religious principles,
it's just because...
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L iait'S Mot wo | was!
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es Dot wao | was raiseo to pe!
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mn hip.
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ria. Funny, you don't look lio.
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In retlection, | think,
the origins of that character...
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, COMES trom tie Origins
of that dislocation.
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Travis, wnat IS the One thing aloout
this country that bugs you the most?
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BICKLE: You sell your littiie pussy
for nothing, man?
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For some lowliie pimo?
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This city here’s like an open sewer.
i's full of Tilia ancl scum.
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Dont you wanna get out of here?
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Whoever becomes the president...
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, ~SiOUld just flush it right down
the fucking toilet.
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SCHIRADER: There were things
tat it me at tine same time.
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Collasekofealinamiace:
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I len the All im protest against
George Stevens’ policies.
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AP] was my home at that time.
It was my only place to be.
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Ur
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| ac igoulaies
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The woman | lett my wire tor
(ihrew Mme Out.
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And! || had no money:
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Ourt of tigis tuk J
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, merged this notion
of the calo driver.
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ne tag drivers
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This guy in a metal cofiin..4
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-Oawng throug...
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Le SEWSFS, YOU KNOW,
sort of NosferatuHlike....
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mrougn thie streets of New Yori:
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Someone who seemed to le
surrounded ly people...
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Out WO Was Completely alone.
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BICKLE:
June Sin
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My Ine has taken another turn again.
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Tne days move along wih
regularity, over and over.
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One day indistinguishable
rom the Next
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A\ long, continuous chain,
tnen suddenly...
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Alera IS 2 CNange.
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od been tinting with the idea
of being a screenwriter.
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Over the years, there's a character...
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-.- YOu know, that | have Kine of
written gloout anc come lack to...
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Wo tirst emerged as lravis Bickle.
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And tals is a Character
that | call "The Peeper"...
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|_.wioaiclh is a kincl of an outsider!
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TAS Guy who wanders around...
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Cano looks Into tine wincows. 1
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| Or 2 Culture or 2 civilization...
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LU, OU Cant Guike get INSICe.
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And that reeling, olviously,
comes through in Yad Driver...
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. and as come through
over and over again...
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| in Various male characters...
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wool VO WItian alOOUT
or directed films aloout,
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riley, Calobie, you can't parix here.
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Come on! Cone on,
let's go! Let's go! Move ttl
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SCrIRAD ERE
The immediate inspirations for itt...
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, .loout the year loerore, there had
been that song by Harry Chapin...
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Meallechairak
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Oloviously | knew that song.
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| had heared aloout Bremer.
‘The diaries weren't out yet,
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[SI]
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SO | just started
outing this together,
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And, you know, the character
was that underground man...
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Ll OUISICer, tHe SIANGEF.
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| knew that’s wnere
nie Character came from.
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SO before writing the Script,
| reread) L’ Etranger and La Nausée...
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LUSK tO SOF OF get my mind...
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alll (Ne Mindset
of those kinds of characters.
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lravis, you know Doughisoy,
Charlie 1.2?
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Comenancenomeannickelr
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Doughboy! co anything tor a louck.
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KOLKIER:
One of the remarkable things aloout...
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Le films that Schrader writes
for Scorsesé....
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lS tne Capturing or the raytam
of New York speech.
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Fireen dollars, 15 minutes.
Twenty-five dollars, half an hour:
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It never sounds like
t's imitating ordinary speech.
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I's Got a kine! of almost...
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--AOSUG SCNSS.
The sense of repetition.
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| just WANnHaA GO OUT...
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eral
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| really wanna...
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| got some bad ideas in my head!
[ just
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| think that Is reallly important.
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I think clalogue’s relatively easy.
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| mean, if you think or some
particularly good lines...
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,.-VOU |] put them In your Outline.
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But clalogue ts relatively easy!
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Swucture, this is tough.
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| did then what | stall cdo today..4
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L Which IS just ouwing
on a legal pad.
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just list the scenes,
one, two, three, four.
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First Outline said “Numloer one,
Travis gets a job.
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Number two=" They were just listings
of what the scenes were, you know.
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“Travis lOUyS 2 GUA, YOU KNOW.
"Travis meets Betsy,” you know. Ha, ha.
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A\na So that when | look at thie outline,
| Know what the scenes were,
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And as | perrected that tecnanique
over the yealrs...
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Lol WOUlG Start TO PUL page Counts
clown there,
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So that even at the outline level,
| would have a fairly clear idea...
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La WACN YOU Cane to scene 18...
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--- VOU Would know that that was
Gonna occur somewhere between...
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,.OAge 43 anc 50, yOu KnOW...
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..6VEN before yOu wrote tie Script.
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BICKLE:
You know you have beautiul eyes?
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RANSSENGERE
Do you see the woman in the window?
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BETSY: | dont believe I've ever met
anyone quite like you.
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-Jhat's my wit.
-[' NO pusher. I've never pushed:
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SCrIRAD ERE
You know, the script came...
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L-aCUMS GUIGKIY.
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| dicln’t have any place to live
at te tine...
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«80 | talked myselt loack
into the apariment...
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.Oor tne girl | hac oroken up wit
DSCcaUsS SHS WAS OU Of town.
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Ane sine let me stay there
for 2 couple weeks.
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And in those couple or weeks,
[ just wrote continuously.
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| cient wanna mess the Nouse UD...
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--ADSCAUSS Se reallly cicihnt want
me there, so | just slept on the sofa...
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Lao] worked] In tae iichen.
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Slept on the sora,
worked in the kitchen.
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Ano tien || finisinecl one drat...
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L.winich was, | trlnk,
aloout 75, 80 pages.
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| went riglit Into another clratt,
which was aloout a hundred pages.
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[SI]
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BICKLE:
June 29th,
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| Goa Get In Shape now.
oo much sitting has ruined my bodly.
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Oo much alouse has gone on
for too long.
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From now on, itll! be
DO pushups each moming.
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FPirigy [ouII-UpS.
here will be no more pills.
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There will be no more bac food),
no more destroyers of my body.
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From now on, itil be total organization.
Every muscle must be tight.
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KOLIKIER: Botta Paul Scaracder
ano Scorsese share 2 love of film.
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Schrader is specitically
interested in...
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| French filmmaker,
Robert Bresson,
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And in one particular til
of Bresson's called Pickpocket...
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L..WIGA IS tiseli? an increciloly tig At...
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..caretully structured, ul...
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, AUKOnN-downed film in the sense
that it just delivers the most...
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iinimal amount of iniormation
that it can at any particular point,
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ANitekSciiacdemisralso
4 great fan of John Ford...
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a8 Is Scorsese,
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SO Jax Driver turns out
to have major influences...
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AOL (WO tilms,
Psycho and The Searchers.
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ne Searchers is tne great Joan Wayne
Westem, the great captivity story.
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But also a story aloout
A vaguely psychotic hero...
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-.WNOS Coralnly Sor of
monomaniacal in nis hatred...
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and his oosessive Pursullt.
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SO Schrader writes a script
which draws on Ford...
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_ WhIGA draws On Bresson:
And it clearly ts otiiering...
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--S Well, 2 SENSO Of lDottlec-uUp
and ultimately exploding violence:
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‘hat Scorsese has loeen interested in,
certainly we see it in Mean Streets...
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wall WIIG things go along,
and go along and everybodly..4
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oS SOF OF MOVING att
this rapid pace and then, bam.
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[GUNSHOT
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People get shot and there's lolooe
all over the place.
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So it's an almost
IME MIAOERCOMMECHONE
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Ks 4 connection tigi Survives. J
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Over a number of iilis
that Schracler writes.
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| miglit be going away ‘or a winille.
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BICKLE: Tne idea had been growing
lin my brain for some time.
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ue force.
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All ne kings men cannot
jut it back together again:
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LUIRIGGER CLICKS]
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KOLIKER: | think, pernaps,
loot Scorsese ad Scaracler...
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Are 2WAre OF what
Orson Welles once said.
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Welles, the maker of some
of the most powerful images in film...
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, Wio says that, “All tlm begins
with tine written word.”
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I'ma Of thie belief that oy the time
the film started shooting...
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[4] WIIKSrS jOld sSnould joe done:
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liv 2 writer [Ss On & Set, It USUallly
means there's something wrong.
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BeECAUSS the wrhier creates
this template...
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and now other people
are actually living it...
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Land i Shiould belong to them now.
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And so | was here in New York
during preproduction...
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wien | was actually usetul...
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Lwnen the kinds of decisions
were Still in flu
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But once thie film started shooting...
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bool WANS tO GO loack to L.A,
| Waniec! tO...
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WOK ON HANS tlm
| was trying to direct.
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And | reallly dict teel
needed or useiuL,
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KOLIKER: | think the tact
that Schrader was not there, again...
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AIS An acknowledgment
on his part...
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on tne part of a writerhilmmeaker...
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All UNE MS tO Step aside
is when the writing is done...
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Cano ie cirecior taxes Over,
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| client tell you to write.
[ just said, “Pull over.”
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We pulled over to tthe curio!
We're gonna sit here.
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Were gonna sit.
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SGHIRADIER: You know,
| dont remember having..¥
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ANY FO
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KING Of SChpt Conversations...
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[wii entner De Niro or Scorsese
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| mean, they knew exactly
who this guy was.
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‘They knew it. hey knew this thing.
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BICKILE: Listen, you fuckers,
you screwneads.
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ere Is a man who would not
fake it anymore.
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A man wno stood up
against the SCUMM...
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Lol CUNUS, Ie GOS,
ine filth, the shit.
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(ere IS SOMEONE WO StOOd UP.
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Once during the shooting,
De Niro called me up...
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"Would the character say this?”
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And | saicl, “Look, Bob, I'm in LA,
im working on Blue Collar.
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You're tin New Yori,
youre Shooting with Marty...
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---VOUTS WEAFING My Oats,
youre wearing Travis’ jacket.
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Ir you think he would say tt,
| bet you he would.”
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And that's, | tink,
the ideal position to be as a writer.
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Where you have so pluggec
Inthe actor...
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Flan WAC LAC actor
does gO Ofi+5o0k...
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L-ll@ GOSS Of-DoOk in exactly the way
that you would go...
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Lal YOU Were Standing next to Ihin.
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And usually, | tind that they go
Ofttoook prety damn well.
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BECAUSS tine seript has deiinec
the character in such 2 way...
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mnie When they Star Changing
Clialogue...
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Ley re Changing It in Character.
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BICKLE: Im stancing here.
You Make the Move,
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You talking to me?
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You talking to me?
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Wino tine fuck Go you tninik
youre talking to?
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Oh, yeahh? lun?
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SCFIRADER: You write a scene ane you
get the dialogue right, anc it reallly works.
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Bun tat doesnt mean.
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lat thas tie Only way
nO Make that scene work,
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| mean, tiie very tact of blocking.
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You con't write blocking in a Script.
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Blocking is fundamental
to the playing of any scene:
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SO you have a scene
wit iwo characters.
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All of a sudden,
they start moving around.
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Ane! one Is going here
and one is going there.
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Well, that changes tie clalogue
right there.
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Ihe moment your characters
are moving around...
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Lllnes that seem to work when theyre
looking at cach other aren"t working...
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, LSCQUSS theyre Not looking
at each other anymore.
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And mayne one or them
is in the other room now!
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lif YOU SXPeCt tine actors to
Keep reading lines that, that don’t fit...
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-- ADSCAUSS they relolocked the Scene.
No. You can come up with new lines.
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The waly tt worked
With, Jad Driver is...
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Its Say I'd write a scone
at three and a half cages.
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Meaning ideally taree
and 2 halt minutes of screen time.
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Marty would get there
and he would start to exoand it.
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expand tt In relnearsalls.
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three and-a-half pages...
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olS MOW elng Shot
maybe att five pages.
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MoaderancKaliraliinactsome now
gotten added as it went along.
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And then Marty and the ealitor
sit there arenward.
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hey have the Script and tt says,
according to the template...
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LalllS IS a three-anc-a-halli
minute scene,
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Kt works at tnree and a nal minutes!
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Now, we have a iiive or sieminute
first Cut
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SO let's go back and look att
the script and say what...
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rom tne wrkers Point or view, Was
alosolutely necessary to get done here?
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What exposition? Which character
development? Which comic relief?
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Now, lhhow can we get
those things done...
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Keep it at three and a hall
minutes...
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- Wet CNEITY=DIGK tne loest
of the six minutes?
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So tne final tree and a hal minutes...
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Sit necessarily three and a hall
minutes that was in the script.
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SPORT: Fiey, man!
Don't take out no money over here.
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VOU WANNA tuck me?
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Youre gonna Tuck her,
you give her the money.
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BU It Is an equivalent
tree and 4 hal naimurtes|
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[SIREN WAILING]
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KVOMWANKSEREAMIS)
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SCHIRADER: A story springs out
Of its environment.
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Bu you Ope that the character
is strong enough...
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L lat WASH LAS inimediate
environment changes...
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wnen the Vienam War
GOSS WAY...
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when limes Square
gets cleaned up...
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Lie character Is sii] valici
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| Got Inko Screenwriting
as a form of self-therapy.
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When | tirst was writing the script,
[ thought it was aloout loneliness.
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What | learned while writing the script
is that this was aioout 4 man...
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WO SUIiered tron
the pathology of loneliness.
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rile wasn't lonely ly nature.
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rie was lonely
ASHaICelenSeumechalniSinne
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And Ae reiniiorced his own loneliness
by his own behavior.
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And tie pathology grew
until it became malignant and violent.
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TASrSeTore, It Is a very
American kine! of pathology:
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And it's the study of a sick man,
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You know, the underground man.
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AAs Dostoyevsky sald);
"lam 2 sick man."
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[SI]
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