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It'll just be music. 11 00:00:46,838 --> 00:00:47,839 Man: Okay. 12 00:00:48,006 --> 00:00:49,424 Homemade hoopla. 13 00:00:49,591 --> 00:00:51,009 Man: (laughs) 14 00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:04,690 (cheers and applause) 15 00:01:22,124 --> 00:01:25,919 Announcer: (speaking in Russian) 16 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:28,422 (cheers and applause) 17 00:01:40,642 --> 00:01:43,729 This is the first time that I've had a reason 18 00:01:43,895 --> 00:01:47,024 to play my guitar in three years. So... 19 00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:50,652 (cheers and applause) 20 00:01:56,158 --> 00:02:00,037 I'm sure you already know it, 21 00:02:00,203 --> 00:02:01,913 but this is just the beginning 22 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,541 of your new future in this country. 23 00:02:04,958 --> 00:02:09,713 (cheers and applause) 24 00:02:10,964 --> 00:02:15,218 And I hope that your new future will be very perfect. 25 00:02:15,385 --> 00:02:16,637 Very perfect. 26 00:02:16,803 --> 00:02:20,474 (cheers and applause) 27 00:02:23,602 --> 00:02:26,063 And as you confront the new changes 28 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:27,439 that will take place, 29 00:02:27,606 --> 00:02:31,401 please try and keep your country unique. 30 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:33,945 Don't change into something else. 31 00:02:34,112 --> 00:02:35,447 Keep it unique. 32 00:02:35,614 --> 00:02:39,785 (cheers and applause) 33 00:02:43,038 --> 00:02:46,333 And now, I will try and tune my guitar. 34 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:48,418 Man: (speaks Russian) 35 00:02:54,925 --> 00:02:59,179 (tunes guitar) 36 00:03:02,933 --> 00:03:07,562 (cheers and applause) 37 00:03:17,155 --> 00:03:19,157 Lardner: Many have always considered Frank Zappa 38 00:03:19,241 --> 00:03:20,242 a rock legend. 39 00:03:20,409 --> 00:03:21,868 And one of his friends tonight told me 40 00:03:21,952 --> 00:03:23,954 that he wrote and composed music 41 00:03:24,121 --> 00:03:25,122 to the very end. 42 00:03:25,288 --> 00:03:27,624 He was known for elaborate, unconventional songs, 43 00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:29,084 often with raunchy lyrics. 44 00:03:29,251 --> 00:03:30,951 The social commentary in his songs 45 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:32,420 targeted the music industry, 46 00:03:32,504 --> 00:03:34,673 the educational system, and politics. 47 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,175 Reporter: In America, Zappa was denounced by the Church, 48 00:03:37,259 --> 00:03:39,093 had his concerts broken up by the police, 49 00:03:39,177 --> 00:03:41,227 and his records banned by radio stations. 50 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:43,306 Lardner: His wife and all four children were with him. 51 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:44,683 They are together tonight 52 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:47,310 at their Laurel Canyon area home with friends. 53 00:03:47,477 --> 00:03:49,771 Frank Zappa, dead at 52. 54 00:03:49,938 --> 00:03:51,106 Back to you. 55 00:03:55,527 --> 00:03:58,989 Children: (shouting indistinctly) 56 00:04:15,255 --> 00:04:16,506 Zappa: Rolling? 57 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:18,049 Man : And... yes. 58 00:04:19,342 --> 00:04:21,720 Zappa: Okay. This aisle here 59 00:04:21,887 --> 00:04:24,723 is where some of the best-known titles lurk. 60 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:27,017 Here's stuff from the Hot Rats. 61 00:04:28,643 --> 00:04:32,606 Here's the original 24-track masters of "Dinah-Moe Humm," 62 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:37,194 "Dirty Love," "Montana," "Inca Roads," "RDNZL." 63 00:04:37,903 --> 00:04:40,655 Shut Up n' Play Yer Guitar, Joe's Garage. 64 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:43,992 Here's Sheik Yerbouti. 65 00:04:46,203 --> 00:04:49,498 Tinsel Town Rebellion, Drowning Witch, Utopia. 66 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:51,374 ("Valley Girl" playing) ♪ She's a valley girl ♪ 67 00:04:51,458 --> 00:04:52,626 ♪ Valley girl ♪ 68 00:04:52,793 --> 00:04:53,876 ♪ She's a valley girl ♪ 69 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,671 Oh, here's Eric Clapton when he came over to my house. 70 00:05:00,008 --> 00:05:01,551 Wild Man Fischer. 71 00:05:02,135 --> 00:05:03,386 Captain Beef heart, 72 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:05,722 a little jam in the basement. 73 00:05:07,891 --> 00:05:09,518 And around here, 74 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:12,479 down this darkened aisle, 75 00:05:12,938 --> 00:05:15,482 is a collection of videotapes 76 00:05:15,649 --> 00:05:19,110 from when I borrowed my father's 8mm camera 77 00:05:19,277 --> 00:05:20,862 and made a bunch of movies. 78 00:05:21,822 --> 00:05:25,992 (growling) 79 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:46,805 Zappa: I became obsessed with editing. 80 00:05:47,138 --> 00:05:50,308 And I would edit just because I liked to edit. 81 00:05:51,768 --> 00:05:55,564 I would splice any 8mm film that was in the house 82 00:05:55,856 --> 00:05:57,566 to anything else. 83 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:08,368 When I was little... 84 00:06:08,869 --> 00:06:11,580 I didn't have too much interest in music at all. 85 00:06:11,746 --> 00:06:14,457 When I was about, say, five or six years old 86 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:16,960 up until the time I was about 13, 87 00:06:17,127 --> 00:06:19,504 I was interested in chemistry 88 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:22,424 and especially in explosives. 89 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:26,595 I... I learned how to make gunpowder when I was six. 90 00:06:28,305 --> 00:06:30,891 At that time, my father was working 91 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:33,143 at a place on the East Coast 92 00:06:33,310 --> 00:06:35,312 called the Edgewood Arsenal. 93 00:06:35,687 --> 00:06:37,937 Edgewood Arsenal is where they made poison gas 94 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:39,441 during World War ll. 95 00:06:40,483 --> 00:06:42,318 Presenter: At Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland, 96 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:44,863 the Army Chemical Corp developed the machinery 97 00:06:45,030 --> 00:06:46,907 for producing the nerve gas GB, 98 00:06:47,073 --> 00:06:49,242 which had been developed by Nazi Germany. 99 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:53,496 And the nerve gas VX, which was developed in England. 100 00:06:54,789 --> 00:06:58,460 Man: There is enough gas there and enough gas coming 101 00:06:58,627 --> 00:07:00,253 of the nerve gas variety 102 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:06,551 to cause the death of 681,481, 000 persons. 103 00:07:09,596 --> 00:07:11,346 Everybody that lived in the project 104 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:14,893 had to have gas masks in their house 105 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:17,687 in case the tanks of mustard gas broke. 106 00:07:17,896 --> 00:07:20,690 So the... the toys that I remember growing up with 107 00:07:20,857 --> 00:07:25,153 were the little chemical beakers that my father would bring home 108 00:07:25,904 --> 00:07:29,157 and the gas masks that were hanging in the hall closet. 109 00:07:29,407 --> 00:07:30,992 And I used to wear that out in the yard 110 00:07:31,076 --> 00:07:32,126 and run around in it. 111 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:33,828 And I thought it was a space helmet. 112 00:07:33,912 --> 00:07:35,705 (alarm blaring) 113 00:07:36,247 --> 00:07:38,792 ♪ Any way the wind blows ♪ 114 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,880 ♪ ls-a fine with me ♪ 115 00:07:44,047 --> 00:07:46,049 ♪ Any way the wind blows ♪ 116 00:07:47,592 --> 00:07:51,054 ♪ It don't matter to me ♪ 117 00:07:51,930 --> 00:07:53,880 ♪ 'Cause I'm through with-a fussin'... ♪ 118 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:55,892 Zappa: I had a lot of asthma. 119 00:07:56,518 --> 00:07:57,519 I was very ill. 120 00:07:57,686 --> 00:08:00,730 Almost cacked out a few times from the climate back there. 121 00:08:01,106 --> 00:08:02,648 And so, he was looking for a place 122 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:04,782 where I wouldn't be constantly folding up 123 00:08:04,943 --> 00:08:07,111 and a place where he could earn a better income. 124 00:08:07,195 --> 00:08:10,095 And so, he took a position at the Naval Postgraduate School 125 00:08:10,198 --> 00:08:13,034 in California, teaching metallurgy. 126 00:08:15,704 --> 00:08:18,540 The last experimentation that I did with explosives 127 00:08:18,707 --> 00:08:20,583 was when I was about 15 years old. 128 00:08:21,418 --> 00:08:24,379 I'd mixed up this quantity of powder 129 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:27,716 which consisted of, uh, regular black powder 130 00:08:27,882 --> 00:08:30,093 and then flash powder, 131 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:33,847 which is 50 percent zinc and 50 percent sulfur, 132 00:08:34,014 --> 00:08:35,557 mixed with sugar, 133 00:08:35,724 --> 00:08:38,309 and attempted to set fire to the high school 134 00:08:38,476 --> 00:08:39,644 that I was attending. 135 00:08:39,811 --> 00:08:44,566 (dramatic music playing) 136 00:08:47,402 --> 00:08:50,279 Zappa: It always seemed to me that if you could get a laugh 137 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:51,822 out of something, that was good. 138 00:08:51,906 --> 00:08:53,741 And if you could make life more colorful 139 00:08:53,825 --> 00:08:55,744 than it actually was, that was good. 140 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:58,163 So, any artist or individual who worked 141 00:08:58,329 --> 00:09:01,207 in those two directions was doing something good. 142 00:09:04,335 --> 00:09:06,713 My family was really poor. 143 00:09:07,338 --> 00:09:09,006 Not only that, they didn't like music too much. 144 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:11,551 So I didn't really come into contact 145 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:15,764 with musical expression until 14 or 15 years old. 146 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:20,769 And my parents were opposed to any involvement in music 147 00:09:20,935 --> 00:09:22,854 that I might be interested in. 148 00:09:23,146 --> 00:09:26,858 But I remember this magazine article about Sam Goody. 149 00:09:27,025 --> 00:09:29,819 Was saying what a wonderful merchandiser he was 150 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:31,821 because he could even sell an album 151 00:09:31,988 --> 00:09:33,990 that had this ugly music on it. 152 00:09:34,157 --> 00:09:36,242 The writer described this as, like, 153 00:09:36,409 --> 00:09:38,209 literally the most frightening thing 154 00:09:38,328 --> 00:09:40,078 that a human being could listen to. 155 00:09:40,163 --> 00:09:43,249 This evil, vile album. 156 00:09:44,042 --> 00:09:46,127 The description was something that stuck with me, 157 00:09:46,211 --> 00:09:47,586 and then a few months later, 158 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:51,508 I actually saw the album in a store and bought it. 159 00:09:53,426 --> 00:09:55,176 It was because of that Varèse album 160 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:56,861 that I read about in a magazine. 161 00:09:56,971 --> 00:09:58,640 And hearing "ionisation," 162 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:01,309 that I... writing orchestra music. 163 00:10:04,854 --> 00:10:06,981 I had no interest in Beethoven, Mozart, 164 00:10:07,148 --> 00:10:08,232 or any of that kind of stuff. 165 00:10:08,316 --> 00:10:10,266 It just didn't sound interesting to me. 166 00:10:10,401 --> 00:10:11,945 I wanted to listen to the man 167 00:10:12,112 --> 00:10:15,240 who could make music that was that strange. 168 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:17,408 Because the role of the percussion 169 00:10:17,492 --> 00:10:20,036 in most classical music is you wait a long time, 170 00:10:20,203 --> 00:10:22,497 and then somebody goes ping with a triangle. 171 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:25,667 To me, that was all boring. 172 00:10:26,209 --> 00:10:27,919 But in Varèse's music, 173 00:10:28,086 --> 00:10:31,297 the percussion was playing an integrated melodic part. 174 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:32,882 And it was in the foreground. 175 00:10:32,966 --> 00:10:34,551 And since I liked drums, 176 00:10:34,717 --> 00:10:36,886 it was a pleasure for me to listen to it. 177 00:10:37,095 --> 00:10:39,556 (drums playing, cymbal crashes) 178 00:10:39,889 --> 00:10:41,182 Zappa: I thought it was fantastic. 179 00:10:41,266 --> 00:10:43,350 I couldn't understand why people just didn't love it 180 00:10:43,434 --> 00:10:44,684 the minute they heard it. 181 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:51,442 High school in Lancaster 182 00:10:51,609 --> 00:10:54,195 wouldn't be equivalent to high school any place else 183 00:10:54,362 --> 00:10:56,447 because Lancaster was a small town, 184 00:10:56,614 --> 00:10:58,867 and very few people in the area 185 00:10:59,033 --> 00:11:00,869 liked rhythm and blues music. 186 00:11:01,035 --> 00:11:03,788 (blues guitar playing) 187 00:11:03,955 --> 00:11:05,873 Zappa: And the rest of 'em were kind of white-bread, 188 00:11:05,957 --> 00:11:07,917 Elvis Presley fanatic types. 189 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:11,629 And I don't even remember how I met Don. 190 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:15,383 But he had dropped out of school by that time 191 00:11:15,550 --> 00:11:18,011 and spent most of his time staying at home 192 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:20,263 listening to rhythm and blues records. 193 00:11:20,930 --> 00:11:23,766 So, I used to hang out over there after school 194 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:27,103 and listen to Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown 195 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:29,731 and Guitar Slim, 196 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,900 Elmore James, 197 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:34,194 Lowell Fulson, 198 00:11:34,736 --> 00:11:37,655 and Johnny "Guitar" Watson R&B records 199 00:11:37,822 --> 00:11:39,657 till three o'clock in the morning. 200 00:11:41,492 --> 00:11:43,077 Went out of my way to get a hold 201 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:44,703 of the rhythm and blues records. 202 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:46,414 And it was very hard to obtain 203 00:11:46,748 --> 00:11:48,916 because most of the white music stores didn't stock it. 204 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,210 And, uh... 205 00:11:50,627 --> 00:11:52,527 I just heard that music and I liked it 206 00:11:52,670 --> 00:11:54,255 and couldn't understand why other people didn't like it 207 00:11:54,339 --> 00:11:55,506 as much as I did. 208 00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:58,384 (rhythm and blues playing) 209 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:00,469 Zappa: When I first picked up the guitar, I said, 210 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:04,265 "How in the world could anybody get any sound out of this thing 211 00:12:04,432 --> 00:12:06,809 other than the open string sound?" 212 00:12:06,976 --> 00:12:08,686 I couldn't conceive of what the frets were for. 213 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:10,897 But when rhythm and blues came along 214 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:13,399 and I heard examples of blues guitar playing, 215 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,734 I thought that it was something I really wanted to do. 216 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:17,737 So, I just taught myself how to do it. 217 00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:19,738 Once I figured out that the pitch changed 218 00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:21,407 when you put your finger down on the fret, 219 00:12:21,491 --> 00:12:22,867 I was hell on wheels. 220 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:26,913 ♪ You're probably wondering why I'm here ♪ 221 00:12:27,121 --> 00:12:28,831 ♪ And so am I ♪ 222 00:12:28,998 --> 00:12:30,875 ♪ So am I ♪ 223 00:12:39,676 --> 00:12:41,886 ♪ You're probably wondering ♪ 224 00:12:42,136 --> 00:12:45,265 - ♪ Why I'm here ♪ - ♪ Not that it makes ♪ 225 00:12:45,431 --> 00:12:47,381 ♪ A heck of a lot of difference to ya! ♪ 226 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:53,231 Zappa: I had my first group playing other people's material 227 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,817 when I was about 16 or 17. 228 00:12:55,984 --> 00:12:57,193 It was called The Blackouts. 229 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,821 A racially mixed ensemble. 230 00:13:00,822 --> 00:13:04,575 Which did not go down well with the, uh, cowboys 231 00:13:04,742 --> 00:13:06,742 and other bigots who lived in this area. 232 00:13:06,828 --> 00:13:09,872 And, uh, we managed to play several jobs, 233 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:12,542 but the school and the city authorities 234 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:15,085 were against having it perform because it was regarded 235 00:13:15,169 --> 00:13:17,547 as a threat to the decency of the community. 236 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:22,010 (rock and roll music playing) 237 00:13:25,555 --> 00:13:27,505 Zappa: I started writing orchestra music 238 00:13:27,598 --> 00:13:29,934 before I ever wrote a rock and roll song. 239 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:33,229 And then didn't try writing any rock and roll 240 00:13:33,396 --> 00:13:34,939 until I was in my 20s. 241 00:13:36,524 --> 00:13:39,444 And as long as a person has to earn a living 242 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:42,363 and if he happens to be a person who makes music, 243 00:13:43,698 --> 00:13:46,498 he's going to have to do something to generate an income. 244 00:13:48,578 --> 00:13:51,039 And the more humiliating the conditions 245 00:13:51,205 --> 00:13:53,916 under which the income is generated, 246 00:13:54,334 --> 00:13:56,294 the more the music suffers. 247 00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:00,422 I did earn my living as a commercial artist 248 00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:02,967 for a little while. I did greeting cards. 249 00:14:03,134 --> 00:14:06,137 I wrote advertising copy for the place I was working for, 250 00:14:06,304 --> 00:14:09,474 called the Nile Running Greeting Card Studio. 251 00:14:10,433 --> 00:14:13,394 I talked 'em into letting me do my own line of greeting cards 252 00:14:13,478 --> 00:14:14,979 on an experimental basis, 253 00:14:15,146 --> 00:14:17,565 and one of 'em was, uh, 254 00:14:17,732 --> 00:14:20,318 "Captured Russian photo shows evidence 255 00:14:20,485 --> 00:14:22,820 of Americans' presence on Moon first." 256 00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:24,863 And you open it up, and there's a picture 257 00:14:24,947 --> 00:14:26,991 of a lunar crater with "Jesus Saves" 258 00:14:27,158 --> 00:14:28,242 inscribed on it. 259 00:14:28,409 --> 00:14:29,494 (laughs) 260 00:14:30,495 --> 00:14:33,080 Man: You are to hang by the neck until you are dead. 261 00:14:33,164 --> 00:14:35,208 I'll see you in hell. 262 00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:40,254 God: And they don't take me seriously, do they? 263 00:14:40,421 --> 00:14:42,924 They're only reporters. They're all the same, God. 264 00:14:43,091 --> 00:14:45,885 Zappa: I had scored a couple of films about that time. 265 00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:47,720 The one that I got paid for, 266 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:50,472 I went out and bought a good guitar and, uh, took over 267 00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:53,518 the debts and the assets of a recording studio 268 00:14:53,684 --> 00:14:56,729 in a town called Cucamonga, California. 269 00:14:59,148 --> 00:15:00,748 Zappa: I'm living in this studio. 270 00:15:00,858 --> 00:15:03,193 It doesn't have a bathtub. It doesn't have a shower. 271 00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:04,529 Doesn't have hot water. 272 00:15:04,695 --> 00:15:07,114 I don't have anything to eat except peanut butter, 273 00:15:07,198 --> 00:15:09,784 instant mashed potatoes, and coffee. 274 00:15:09,951 --> 00:15:11,751 I go around gathering up pop bottles 275 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:13,454 so I can buy cigarettes. 276 00:15:13,704 --> 00:15:15,205 But I've got all the electronic stuff I need 277 00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:16,999 to make recordings. 278 00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:21,045 Well, I've had long hair. 279 00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:23,047 It was shorter than Beatle hair. 280 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,050 So, there was a certain amount of resentment 281 00:15:26,217 --> 00:15:28,845 in the community for my presence there at the studio. 282 00:15:29,303 --> 00:15:34,100 And this mysterious 13.50 an hour recording studio 283 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:36,602 was, uh, bad for their community. 284 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:40,356 So, they designed to, uh, get me out of there. 285 00:15:41,983 --> 00:15:44,694 Eventually this guy came to me and said 286 00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:48,197 that he was a used car salesman and that he and the boys 287 00:15:48,364 --> 00:15:50,491 were having a party next Wednesday 288 00:15:50,658 --> 00:15:53,369 and they would like to have a stag film made. 289 00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:55,121 And I said, "Are you kidding?" 290 00:15:55,288 --> 00:15:57,623 He said, "Well, we have about 100 dollars." 291 00:15:57,790 --> 00:15:59,541 And I said, "Well, I can't make you a movie 292 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:02,545 for 100 dollars, but how would you like a nice tape?" 293 00:16:03,087 --> 00:16:06,174 So, that night, we manufactured a tape, 294 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:09,343 which was supposed to be sex on tape, 295 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:12,388 but there's absolutely no sex involved in this thing. 296 00:16:12,722 --> 00:16:15,308 But suddenly, the next day, 297 00:16:15,516 --> 00:16:18,686 the door swings open and vice squad officers 298 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:21,522 from the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department 299 00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:22,839 come blasting in there. 300 00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:24,650 Pictures. Flash bulbs, 301 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,652 and it was right out of a bad movie. 302 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:28,738 They took every tape, 303 00:16:28,905 --> 00:16:32,825 every piece of film in the studio as evidence. 304 00:16:33,618 --> 00:16:34,994 And I went to jail. 305 00:16:42,335 --> 00:16:44,545 They sentenced me to six months in jail 306 00:16:44,712 --> 00:16:46,631 with all but ten days suspended 307 00:16:46,797 --> 00:16:48,633 plus three years' probation. 308 00:16:51,093 --> 00:16:53,262 ♪ It can't happen here ♪ 309 00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:56,682 ♪ Can't happen here, can't happen here... ♪ 310 00:16:57,225 --> 00:17:03,064 Zappa: 311 00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:13,491 That's the kind of stuff I had to put up with 312 00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:16,202 living in small-town environments. 313 00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:19,621 I don't have anything against small towns. 314 00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:22,505 I think they're wonderful if you like that kind of stuff. 315 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:25,503 But it's very difficult to do the kinds of things 316 00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:28,005 that I do in a small-town situation. 317 00:17:29,090 --> 00:17:33,219 And the only thing I wanted to do was write music. 318 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:37,014 And so, if I was ever going to hear what I wrote, 319 00:17:37,265 --> 00:17:39,225 I would have to put a band together. 320 00:17:41,686 --> 00:17:43,563 ♪ Motherly love ♪ 321 00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:47,316 ♪ Motherly love ♪ 322 00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:51,654 ♪ Forget about the brotherly and other-ly love ♪ 323 00:17:51,946 --> 00:17:55,074 ♪ Motherly love is just the thing for you ♪ 324 00:17:55,241 --> 00:17:57,159 ♪ You know your mother's gonna love ya ♪ 325 00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,078 ♪ Till ya don't know what to do ♪ 326 00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:04,349 ♪ Nature's been good ♪ 327 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:06,294 ♪ To this here band ♪ 328 00:18:06,711 --> 00:18:09,213 ♪ Don't ever think we're shy ♪ 329 00:18:10,214 --> 00:18:11,840 ♪ Send us up some little groupies ♪ 330 00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:13,593 ♪ And we'll take their hands ♪ 331 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,554 ♪ And rock 'em till they sweat and cry ♪ 332 00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:18,222 ♪ What you need is ♪ 333 00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:20,641 ♪ Motherly love ♪ 334 00:18:20,891 --> 00:18:22,101 ♪ Get it now ♪ 335 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,103 ♪ Motherly love ♪ 336 00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:28,621 ♪ You know I've got a little motherly love for ya, honey ♪ 337 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:30,943 ♪ You know it doesn't bother me at all ♪ 338 00:18:31,027 --> 00:18:32,361 ♪ That you're only 18 years old ♪ 339 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:35,195 ♪ 'Cause I've got a little motherly love for you, baby ♪ 340 00:18:38,701 --> 00:18:43,748 (scatting) 341 00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:48,002 All right. This is a song that we've been work... working on 342 00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:51,255 in secret for a... a while now. 343 00:18:51,422 --> 00:18:53,090 Going to make an attempt to record it. 344 00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:54,591 If we mess it up, we'll just stop 345 00:18:54,675 --> 00:18:55,725 and do it over again. 346 00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:57,470 It doesn't have a name yet. 347 00:18:57,887 --> 00:19:01,557 But, uh, doesn't really need one. 348 00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:05,435 Johnny: He was a such a genius in his writing, 349 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:07,669 and he knew so much about all the old music. 350 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:10,023 He was able to marry all of that together, man. 351 00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:13,152 It was... I... I haven't heard anything like it 352 00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,321 before or since. 353 00:19:17,365 --> 00:19:19,408 Zappa: Whatever brought you to Hollywood? 354 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:22,953 I came in search of Bob Dylan. 355 00:19:23,329 --> 00:19:26,499 And, uh, I came to see the Lovin' Spoonful. 356 00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:29,460 And I came to get away from my father, mainly. 357 00:19:29,627 --> 00:19:31,503 And then we started living on the streets here 358 00:19:31,587 --> 00:19:34,340 because he wasn't too happy about the overall situation. 359 00:19:35,132 --> 00:19:39,762 (band playing) 360 00:19:43,974 --> 00:19:45,684 Pamela: So, one night we came in there, 361 00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:47,185 expecting to see our favorites, 362 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:48,919 the Grassroots and Billy Preston, 363 00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:50,230 and lo and behold, after two weeks, 364 00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:51,732 they changed the bill. 365 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:53,609 And there was a group called Mothers playing. 366 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:56,737 (band playing) 367 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:00,616 Pamela: The main thing I remember 368 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:03,250 is that they played a song that was 20 minutes long. 369 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:07,456 And everybody was getting tired dancing in the middle of it. 370 00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:11,585 And on the second set that you played, 371 00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:14,505 you played a song called "How Could I Be Such a Fool?" 372 00:20:14,672 --> 00:20:16,298 And I remember listening to that song 373 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,966 and thinking I'd never heard it before. 374 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,468 And I was really surprised. 375 00:20:19,635 --> 00:20:22,596 I started thinking to myself, "God, did he write that?" 376 00:20:22,763 --> 00:20:24,473 And when I figured out that you had, 377 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,058 'cause I asked you after you came off stage, 378 00:20:26,142 --> 00:20:27,143 I was going, 379 00:20:27,309 --> 00:20:29,353 "My god, he's got talent. I don't believe it." 380 00:20:29,437 --> 00:20:31,564 ♪ When I won your love ♪ 381 00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:33,858 ♪ I was very glad ♪ 382 00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:35,860 ♪ Every happiness... ♪ 383 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:37,736 Interviewer: Do you think that perhaps you might, uh, 384 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:40,239 in a year or two be the new musical messiah? 385 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:42,241 As in the Beatles and Presley 386 00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:45,158 ten years ago and ten years before that? Whoever it was. 387 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:48,372 Zappa: I can honestly say that I do not think so. 388 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:52,209 (band playing) 389 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:54,879 Announcer: The Mothers of Invention. 390 00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:09,935 Bunk: I... I don't remember, in all the years with Frank, 391 00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:12,938 hearing too many bands that had horns. 392 00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:16,066 Guitar players, you know, all over the place. 393 00:21:16,233 --> 00:21:19,403 Not too many, uh, bands had horns. 394 00:21:20,863 --> 00:21:22,698 But, you know, at the same time, 395 00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:25,284 I didn't hear any other bands 396 00:21:25,743 --> 00:21:29,038 playing Stravinsky or classical music or anything. 397 00:21:29,205 --> 00:21:31,916 So, uh, that was fairly unique. 398 00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:33,959 And that made me feel good 399 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:36,879 about what we were doing musically. 400 00:21:41,217 --> 00:21:44,595 I'm not a weirdo or any of these other things. 401 00:21:44,804 --> 00:21:47,181 But when you get around other people 402 00:21:47,348 --> 00:21:51,644 that are just naturally funny and do weird things, 403 00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:56,023 I ended up just feeling very comfortable. 404 00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:59,026 It was exciting in the beginning. 405 00:21:59,193 --> 00:22:00,486 It truly was. 406 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:05,741 But of course, it was musically difficult. 407 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:09,578 Some nights, Frank would jump up into the air 408 00:22:09,745 --> 00:22:12,706 and come down, and he would expect us 409 00:22:12,873 --> 00:22:15,543 to know what song he was gonna go into. 410 00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:18,343 You know, a perfectionist here, you know. 411 00:22:19,547 --> 00:22:22,800 That made an impression that, jeez, well, you know... 412 00:22:22,967 --> 00:22:27,388 So, it became our duty... 413 00:22:28,055 --> 00:22:31,183 to engage in, uh, these kind of things 414 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,811 that... that... that would make him laugh. 415 00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:38,607 Ian: The band wasn't specifically 416 00:22:38,941 --> 00:22:42,111 anything other than Frank's ideas. 417 00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:46,615 And each show was like a composition. 418 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:50,119 And they happened because the band 419 00:22:50,286 --> 00:22:52,746 is following his direction. 420 00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:57,167 Ruth: You know, I used to think, 421 00:22:57,251 --> 00:22:58,543 "Okay, he's called me here," 422 00:22:58,627 --> 00:22:59,795 and I don't mean in the early days, 423 00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:02,006 I mean in full flower of playing with him. 424 00:23:02,298 --> 00:23:04,299 We'd talk for a minute, and then there isn't even 425 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,844 a "Thanks for coming by" or "Okay, see you later." 426 00:23:07,011 --> 00:23:08,679 He would just turn the other way, 427 00:23:08,846 --> 00:23:10,847 and I would be waiting for him to turn back to say, 428 00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:13,517 "Oh. "But if he turned back, it would be, "You still here?" 429 00:23:13,601 --> 00:23:15,393 You know, it's like, I was dismissed 430 00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:17,146 without even being dismissed. 431 00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:19,564 And you could interpret that as being, you know, 432 00:23:19,648 --> 00:23:22,359 what a fucking self-centered asshole. 433 00:23:22,693 --> 00:23:26,238 But I think that he was just so single-mindedly 434 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:28,782 needing to get his work done. 435 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,829 Bunk: In the four years I was with Frank, 436 00:23:33,996 --> 00:23:37,583 he shook my hand once and said, "Good job." 437 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:44,590 I don't ever remember Frank embracing somebody. 438 00:23:46,342 --> 00:23:50,179 Maybe that was his environment when he was growing up. 439 00:23:51,472 --> 00:23:55,976 So, I kind of accepted that as... 440 00:23:58,020 --> 00:24:00,940 "Don't get too close, okay?" 441 00:24:01,398 --> 00:24:03,233 And, uh, I didn't. 442 00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:08,614 Zappa: I must say, this is a rather unprecedented response 443 00:24:08,781 --> 00:24:10,448 for the bullshit that we do, so sit down 444 00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:12,432 and we'll do some more if you like it. 445 00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:22,795 Gail: So... so, it was in April of 1966. 446 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:26,131 It was at Los Angeles Airport, actually. 447 00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:30,177 I was working as a secretary at the Whisky, 448 00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,888 and there was another girl doing filing. 449 00:24:33,055 --> 00:24:34,848 And little did I know 450 00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,059 that she actually lived with Frank. 451 00:24:37,226 --> 00:24:38,626 She shared a house with him. 452 00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:40,562 And she got a phone call. 453 00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:42,272 And it was Frank. 454 00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:45,359 And he said, "Come pick me up." 455 00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:48,111 The night that I went to pick you up at the airport, 456 00:24:48,195 --> 00:24:49,738 and when I told you that I was bringing 457 00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:51,031 this lovely young thing with me 458 00:24:51,115 --> 00:24:53,075 because she was a lovely young thing. 459 00:24:53,242 --> 00:24:54,534 And you needed to get some action. 460 00:24:54,618 --> 00:24:56,203 And you said, "No, come alone." 461 00:24:56,370 --> 00:24:57,788 And so, I said, "Okay." 462 00:24:57,955 --> 00:24:59,539 So, I took her with me to the airport. 463 00:24:59,623 --> 00:25:01,708 And then we brought you home. We went and got those steaks, 464 00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:03,877 and I gave her my black slip to sleep in. 465 00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,128 And you guys slept in my room 466 00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:07,130 'cause I had the only double bed in the house. 467 00:25:07,214 --> 00:25:09,007 - Zappa: Mm. - And I slept on the couch. 468 00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:10,467 And you waited and took her to work at the Whisky 469 00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:11,802 in the morning. 470 00:25:12,386 --> 00:25:14,513 It was that weekend, and... and she called 471 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,764 on the phone. You said, 472 00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:17,557 "Tell her if she wants to fuck to come over." 473 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:19,392 And I said, "Huh, I can't say that to her. 474 00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:21,145 You'll have to say it yourself." 475 00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:23,146 And so you did. And then she came over 476 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:25,816 and you guys were on the couch fucking. 477 00:25:25,983 --> 00:25:29,111 (opera music playing) 478 00:25:36,744 --> 00:25:41,248 (rock music playing) 479 00:25:47,254 --> 00:25:49,840 Gail: One thing that I'm very clear about 480 00:25:50,007 --> 00:25:51,842 is I married a composer. 481 00:25:52,009 --> 00:25:54,260 I don't know about whatever he is to anybody else, 482 00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:57,347 but to me he was a composer. 483 00:25:57,598 --> 00:26:01,018 And you have to be out of your mind 484 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:04,730 to begin with to take it on. 485 00:26:05,439 --> 00:26:07,357 There's no guarantee that you're ever going to be 486 00:26:07,441 --> 00:26:08,859 able to earn an income. 487 00:26:09,026 --> 00:26:11,820 No one cares about what composers do. 488 00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:14,364 And everything is against you. 489 00:26:14,531 --> 00:26:18,911 Absolutely everything is against you, 490 00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:21,747 which makes the odds pretty fantastic. 491 00:26:23,207 --> 00:26:25,709 Zappa: The guy who came to see us, Tom Wilson, 492 00:26:25,876 --> 00:26:28,378 was having a good time with some girls. 493 00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:31,381 And he was dragged to the Whisky a Go Go 494 00:26:31,632 --> 00:26:33,175 to witness one of our songs, 495 00:26:33,342 --> 00:26:36,136 which happened to be a blues kind of a number. 496 00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:40,057 He said, "Oh. White blues band. Okay, we'll sign them," 497 00:26:40,557 --> 00:26:42,392 and signed the group 498 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,728 and then went right back to the girls. 499 00:26:46,355 --> 00:26:48,357 Bunk: I don't think Wilson 500 00:26:48,524 --> 00:26:50,651 heard a lot of the other things 501 00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:54,071 because when we went into the studio, 502 00:26:54,238 --> 00:26:56,323 he was totally surprised. 503 00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:58,325 And I'm sure he wasn't sure 504 00:26:58,534 --> 00:27:01,120 whether this was going to sell or not. 505 00:27:01,703 --> 00:27:03,288 And we were out there. 506 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:13,590 Zappa: This is a number we always play 507 00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:15,717 when people ask us to play more. 508 00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:17,385 Because we know that after we play this, 509 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:20,722 they couldn't possibly ever want to hear us again. 510 00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:25,102 Crowd: (cheers, applauds) 511 00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:26,728 Zappa: We're going to play a piece of music 512 00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:28,564 that was written by Edgar Varèse, 513 00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:30,482 called "Octandre." 514 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:35,320 (band plays) 515 00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:45,038 Interviewer: Do you consider that your group 516 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:47,082 is just as talented and as skilled as, say, 517 00:27:47,166 --> 00:27:48,750 men from a symphony orchestra? 518 00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:50,877 Zappa: Oh, I... I think there are definitely things 519 00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:53,380 that this group of musicians can do that you... 520 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,383 you wouldn't be able to find symphony musicians to do. 521 00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:57,926 Because not only do they manipulate 522 00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:59,344 their instruments with great skill, 523 00:27:59,428 --> 00:28:01,137 but they have to do it all from memory. 524 00:28:01,221 --> 00:28:03,891 And they have to do it with choreography. 525 00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:05,892 Interviewer: You insist on very high 526 00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:07,519 and exacting standards. 527 00:28:07,978 --> 00:28:09,062 Yeah. I have to insist on them. 528 00:28:09,146 --> 00:28:11,064 I don't always get them, but I have to insist on them. 529 00:28:11,148 --> 00:28:12,607 I think if you shoot any lower than that, 530 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:14,526 you're going to wind up with something sleazy. 531 00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:15,819 So, we try and... like, 532 00:28:15,986 --> 00:28:17,362 the parts are real complicated, 533 00:28:17,446 --> 00:28:18,696 so if you don't stay on it 534 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,430 and make sure everything is right 535 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:22,659 you don't get an accurate performance. 536 00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:25,412 Bunk: Man, we would go in 537 00:28:25,579 --> 00:28:28,707 for a minimum eight, ten, twelve hours. 538 00:28:28,874 --> 00:28:31,084 I mean, you know, drinking black coffee. 539 00:28:31,251 --> 00:28:32,920 (stammers) He wouldn't stop. 540 00:28:33,086 --> 00:28:35,756 I mean, it was, you know, it's like, "God ." 541 00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:38,181 It didn't matter if it was Christmas 542 00:28:38,342 --> 00:28:39,676 or Thanksgiving or whatever, man. 543 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,970 We were going to rehearse and, you know, 544 00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:45,224 make sure that we were ready to... to play the music 545 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:49,394 because he was just writing all the time. All the time. 546 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:52,439 So, we were always introducing stuff. 547 00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:54,358 It was, uh, 548 00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:57,319 a very unusual approach, I think. 549 00:28:58,153 --> 00:29:00,239 ♪ Ooh, I remember ♪ 550 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:05,827 ♪ Those wonderful dances in El Monte ♪ 551 00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:09,498 ♪ Ba-da-da-da Der-duh-duh-duh-duh ♪ 552 00:29:10,791 --> 00:29:17,047 Interviewer: 553 00:29:17,631 --> 00:29:22,803 Zappa: 554 00:29:26,223 --> 00:29:28,725 (whirring) 555 00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:35,607 ♪ It can't happen here ♪ 556 00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:46,883 Zappa: But we were never that popular in Los Angeles. 557 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,664 Our market really wasn't the peace, love, hippie type people. 558 00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:52,416 That wasn't our market. 559 00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:55,335 Hippies did not like us because we didn't do 560 00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:57,152 the things that they approved of. 561 00:29:59,381 --> 00:30:00,549 Compared to New York, 562 00:30:00,716 --> 00:30:03,135 Los Angeles is a very conforming community. 563 00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:05,719 When we moved to New York 564 00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:07,347 there was virtually no scene at all. 565 00:30:07,431 --> 00:30:09,349 There was no long-haired anything there. 566 00:30:09,433 --> 00:30:11,685 People looked at us like we were from Venus. 567 00:30:13,103 --> 00:30:15,063 ♪ Freedom, freedom ♪ 568 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:17,065 ♪ Kindly loving ♪ 569 00:30:17,232 --> 00:30:21,236 ♪ You'll be absolutely free ♪ 570 00:30:21,403 --> 00:30:23,488 ♪ Only if you want to be ♪ 571 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:26,055 Interviewer: A lot of people have associated you, 572 00:30:26,158 --> 00:30:28,327 rightly or wrongly, with the drug culture 573 00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,912 that came into being in the '60s about the same time 574 00:30:30,996 --> 00:30:32,846 as your music first became prominent. 575 00:30:33,332 --> 00:30:35,625 Zappa: First of all, I have nothing to do with the drug culture. 576 00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:36,918 I don't use drugs, 577 00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:39,421 and I don't advise other people to use drugs. 578 00:30:39,796 --> 00:30:41,798 And a lot of the things that I think are wrong 579 00:30:41,882 --> 00:30:42,982 with the society today 580 00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:46,511 are a direct result of people using drugs. 581 00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:50,096 It's so prevalent that if you don't use drugs, 582 00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:51,600 people think you're weird. 583 00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:55,354 (song continues) 584 00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:57,397 Gail: The Beatles played in Hamburg, 585 00:30:57,564 --> 00:30:59,816 and they had their way with this club 586 00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:01,318 for months on end. 587 00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:03,737 And in a similar way, Frank had the Garrick. 588 00:31:03,904 --> 00:31:05,321 You get to work out what you want to do. 589 00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,405 You get to experiment with the audience. 590 00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:10,619 You get to really be intimate with an audience. 591 00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:14,664 That really helped Frank to perfect 592 00:31:14,831 --> 00:31:17,709 what he could get away with on stage. 593 00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:21,769 Zappa: The attention to the theatrical side grew 594 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,172 when we moved to New York 595 00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:25,717 and had to do a show every night. 596 00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:29,012 The bulk of what could be classified 597 00:31:29,179 --> 00:31:31,681 as theater of cruelty took place at the Garrick Theater 598 00:31:31,765 --> 00:31:33,016 in '67. 599 00:31:33,642 --> 00:31:37,646 And that was a unique situation because it was the same people 600 00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:40,213 who kept coming back to the theater all the time. 601 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,527 It was part of, uh, this little routine that we had 602 00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:45,194 with the two or three hundred people 603 00:31:45,278 --> 00:31:47,531 that made up the audience at the Garrick. 604 00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:50,241 Bunk: We'd get out and play, 605 00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:53,036 and Frank would start abusing people in the audience, 606 00:31:53,203 --> 00:31:55,122 you know, or calling people up. 607 00:31:55,288 --> 00:31:58,166 Or turning his back on the audience, saying, 608 00:31:58,458 --> 00:32:01,420 "You know, let's run through this," and ignoring them. 609 00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:02,921 And they... they loved it. 610 00:32:07,634 --> 00:32:11,471 Gail: For Frank, his measure of success 611 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,058 is how close did you get 612 00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:17,561 to the realization 613 00:32:17,727 --> 00:32:23,358 of the idea that you first heard the first time you heard it? 614 00:32:23,692 --> 00:32:27,404 If you get anywhere near that, you can call it a success. 615 00:32:27,571 --> 00:32:29,781 But most of the time, you never even get close. 616 00:32:29,865 --> 00:32:31,741 'Cause you have to rely on all these other people 617 00:32:31,825 --> 00:32:33,618 to do all this other stuff. 618 00:32:34,578 --> 00:32:37,178 You know, people like musicians and things like that. 619 00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:42,543 Zappa: To do the kind of music theater that we were doing, 620 00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:44,379 you needed people who weren't afraid 621 00:32:44,463 --> 00:32:47,632 to act up on a stage and do ludicrous things. 622 00:32:48,383 --> 00:32:50,783 'Cause that was part of what the music was saying 623 00:32:50,927 --> 00:32:52,720 that the whole world was absolutely absurd, 624 00:32:52,804 --> 00:32:55,154 and so, here it is. We're giving it back to you. 625 00:32:55,474 --> 00:32:58,310 In fact, if we hadn't left Los Angeles, 626 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,188 we would have just evaporated after the first album. 627 00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,440 Band member: One, two, three. 628 00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:06,735 ♪ Oh no, I don't believe it ♪ 629 00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:11,698 ♪ You say that you think you know the meaning of love ♪ 630 00:33:14,534 --> 00:33:17,496 ♪ You say love is all we need ♪ 631 00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:21,082 ♪ You say with your love you can change ♪ 632 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:24,252 ♪ All of the fools, all of the hate ♪ 633 00:33:24,419 --> 00:33:28,006 ♪ I think you're probably out to lunch ♪ 634 00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:35,430 Ruth: I was a percussion major at Juilliard. 635 00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:37,147 I mean, this was back in the... 636 00:33:37,807 --> 00:33:40,435 the times of dynasties in music. 637 00:33:41,728 --> 00:33:43,522 I thought that I would love it, 638 00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:46,399 and all of that derailed for me, 639 00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:48,026 it just crashed and burned, 640 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,238 when I heard my first Frank Zappa concert. 641 00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:53,406 I just suddenly realized, 642 00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:55,973 "I don't want to be a timpanist in an orchestra." 643 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:57,994 And I don't want to be a triangle player 644 00:33:58,078 --> 00:33:58,978 "in an orchestra." 645 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,498 To have to sit in the back row on stage 646 00:34:01,665 --> 00:34:03,625 to play my three triangle notes. 647 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:06,002 That was not anything that appealed to me 648 00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:09,089 from the moment I heard Frank's music. 649 00:34:09,256 --> 00:34:12,050 And it's not that I was inexperienced as a listener 650 00:34:12,592 --> 00:34:16,012 with other popular music or music theater or any of that. 651 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,641 Frank embodied everything. 652 00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:24,479 Everything that showed me in that one concert 653 00:34:24,729 --> 00:34:26,565 that I wanted to do that. 654 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,820 I would sit in my orchestration classes at Juilliard 655 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,863 in my baroque history. 656 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:37,701 These classes taught by the greatest people on Earth. 657 00:34:38,285 --> 00:34:40,996 One day, I was in one of the piano practice rooms 658 00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:43,623 and I was absolutely not even allowed to be there 659 00:34:43,832 --> 00:34:45,834 because "That's just for the pianists." 660 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,338 And there I would be, trying to recall the melody 661 00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:52,424 or the melodic shape of "Oh No." 662 00:34:53,508 --> 00:34:55,010 Nobody was there. 663 00:34:55,176 --> 00:34:57,596 And on this fabulous grand piano, 664 00:34:57,762 --> 00:35:00,974 I played that piece to the best of my recollection. 665 00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:04,394 And I can't tell you, probably within 30 seconds, 666 00:35:04,561 --> 00:35:07,272 an officer of the school came in. 667 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:08,732 "What are you doing?" 668 00:35:09,024 --> 00:35:11,276 "I'm just playing this beautiful music." 669 00:35:11,568 --> 00:35:14,237 "Doesn't sound like any music you're supposed to be playing here." 670 00:35:14,321 --> 00:35:16,239 "And I said," It's 20th-century music. 671 00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:18,824 What are you talking about? It's by a living composer." 672 00:35:18,908 --> 00:35:19,909 "Get out." 673 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,540 And if you were to hear that piece on the piano, 674 00:35:25,707 --> 00:35:27,667 it could live in a concert hall. 675 00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,795 It was that type of music that he could produce 676 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:34,174 that was a product of everything that was in him. 677 00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,426 But you couldn't really categorize it. 678 00:35:37,052 --> 00:35:39,303 You couldn't say, "Oh yeah, that's rock and roll,"'cause it wasn't. 679 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:41,037 "It's jazz." No. It really wasn't. 680 00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:42,739 "It's pop music." No. Not at all. 681 00:35:43,058 --> 00:35:44,476 Well, what the hell is it? 682 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:46,478 It's Zappa. 683 00:35:46,645 --> 00:35:51,941 Zappa: (harmonizing) 684 00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,944 Ruth : And I knew that it had changed my life. 685 00:35:55,111 --> 00:35:56,112 That's the thing. 686 00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,823 I didn't live my life and then look back on it and go, 687 00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:01,451 "Yeah. That was the life-changing moment." 688 00:36:01,618 --> 00:36:04,996 I walked out of that theater, and I was actually disoriented. 689 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:08,416 I... my whole world had been shaken up. 690 00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:10,085 (laughter) 691 00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:13,546 And Frank recently came back from a town near Brussels 692 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:16,591 where they had a kind of a European pop festival. 693 00:36:16,758 --> 00:36:18,968 How did you communicate with these kids 694 00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:21,471 who speak Walloon, who speak Flemish, 695 00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:23,932 who speak, uh, sort of a dialect of French? 696 00:36:24,099 --> 00:36:26,768 - What did... - I only talked to them once. 697 00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:28,352 Murray: What did you say? 698 00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:30,104 I said, "I'm really glad that you... you guys 699 00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,899 had a pop festival in spite of the French government." 700 00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:35,026 It's really very square. 701 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,569 It's just very depressing, you know, 702 00:36:36,653 --> 00:36:39,030 to think of what Paris used to be famous for... 703 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,033 - (censored) - (laughter) 704 00:36:42,242 --> 00:36:43,493 (sighs) 705 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:44,910 Zappa: Go ahead, bleep it. 706 00:36:44,994 --> 00:36:46,621 Oh, Frank. 707 00:36:46,788 --> 00:36:49,165 (applause) 708 00:36:49,582 --> 00:36:51,959 Well, in the past Paris was famous for its... (censored) 709 00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:53,294 But now it... (censored) 710 00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:55,213 Audience: (laughs) 711 00:36:55,505 --> 00:36:57,381 Frank, you're going to kill the tourist business 712 00:36:57,465 --> 00:36:59,050 as far as the French are concerned. 713 00:36:59,134 --> 00:37:00,176 I hope so. 714 00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:03,043 Fr... France ought to get its... (censored)...together. 715 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,351 Bunk: You know, when you look at stuff now, 716 00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:10,395 I mean, e... everything goes. 717 00:37:10,562 --> 00:37:12,021 And it also brings to mind, 718 00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:14,733 because we played with Lenny Bruce, 719 00:37:14,983 --> 00:37:20,405 you know, how difficult it was in terms of your language, uh, 720 00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:22,949 that people would not accept. 721 00:37:23,908 --> 00:37:25,951 Mike: Lenny Bruce had a... an incredible impact, 722 00:37:26,035 --> 00:37:27,328 an incredible influence. 723 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,791 But, you know, Frank's influence was really, really strong. 724 00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:35,962 And... and it instantly just, like, made a beeline 725 00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:39,966 for the most influential archetypes and figureheads 726 00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:43,928 in rock music. You know, if you listen to Sgt. Pepper. 727 00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:45,721 It was obvious that the Beatles knew 728 00:37:45,805 --> 00:37:47,640 what... what was going on with Frank. 729 00:37:47,807 --> 00:37:51,352 They've explicitly said that Sgt. Pepper was our attempt 730 00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:52,979 to make our own Freak Out! 731 00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:56,441 And the inner spread of the album, 732 00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:59,235 whether Frank liked it or not, was powerful and iconic, 733 00:37:59,319 --> 00:38:01,320 and... and, you know, the... the record company 734 00:38:01,404 --> 00:38:03,554 were not wrong in terms of making an impact. 735 00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:04,990 It definitely made an impact. 736 00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,327 But Frank didn't think of it. 737 00:38:07,494 --> 00:38:09,704 So there's a part of him that just bristled 738 00:38:09,871 --> 00:38:12,248 because it wasn't his baby, you know. 739 00:38:12,415 --> 00:38:15,084 And the second album, he put his foot down. 740 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:17,420 Not only was he in charge of... of the artwork 741 00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:20,298 and he did his own collage on the back cover, 742 00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:22,926 but if he had had the time and inclination, 743 00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:26,554 he could have continued on doing his own album artwork. 744 00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:28,771 And... and it would have been fascinating. 745 00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:33,520 But I think when Cal Schenkel crossed his path 746 00:38:33,853 --> 00:38:36,231 and he saw somebody that got what he was doing 747 00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:39,234 and could capture it and could also focus on it 748 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,569 exclusively while, you know, Frank would look 749 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:44,103 over Cal's shoulder and say, "Try that, try that." 750 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,699 Frank just hands him his head, and you get just amazing cover 751 00:38:46,783 --> 00:38:47,951 after amazing cover. 752 00:38:48,243 --> 00:38:49,786 And that... it's beautiful 753 00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:51,744 'cause they built a world together. 754 00:38:51,913 --> 00:38:55,583 Those album covers plays into that thing of feeling 755 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:58,211 like you're part of an alternative movement. 756 00:39:12,267 --> 00:39:15,228 Zappa: There had already been two other Sgt. Pepper parodies 757 00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:18,273 by the time that our package was ready. 758 00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:22,110 And MGM was panic stricken 759 00:39:22,277 --> 00:39:24,571 that they would be sued by The Beatles 760 00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:26,656 and wanted legal assurance 761 00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:28,741 that The Beatles weren't going to harm them 762 00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:30,275 for putting this package out. 763 00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:34,163 And all the legal gyrations took about 13 months. 764 00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:44,799 Zappa: I know I talked personally 765 00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:46,842 to McCartney at one time and said that, you know, 766 00:39:46,926 --> 00:39:48,803 "The record company is panic stricken over this, 767 00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:50,637 and can you do anything to help me?" 768 00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:53,599 And it was like he was on the other end of the line, taking the phone and going, 769 00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:56,394 "You mean, you talk about business?" 770 00:39:57,687 --> 00:40:00,690 Like, "Oh, we have lawyers who do that." 771 00:40:01,274 --> 00:40:04,694 He just had no interest in participating in a discussion 772 00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:06,321 of the legal ramifications 773 00:40:06,487 --> 00:40:08,448 of a parody of the Sgt. Pepper cover. 774 00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:11,659 That was at a time when it was very, very unfashionable 775 00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:14,043 to be a businessman or even to have any contact 776 00:40:14,162 --> 00:40:15,663 to the world of commerce. 777 00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:18,332 I mean, people were living in a dream world. 778 00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:20,000 How did they expect to earn a living 779 00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:23,254 doing their music if they didn't have some idea 780 00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,005 that the people who were distributing it 781 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:26,925 were only there to steal from them? 782 00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:31,554 Most of the artists that I knew were too busy getting ripped. 783 00:40:32,972 --> 00:40:34,641 If you just got high and went out 784 00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,102 and did your groovy music and, you know, then there were 785 00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:40,772 business people who took care of that other stuff. 786 00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:49,989 It's time for a revolution but probably not in the terms 787 00:40:50,073 --> 00:40:51,532 that people imagine it. 788 00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:55,369 The thing that's wrong today is that the... the people 789 00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:59,040 who are in control of the media and the government 790 00:40:59,207 --> 00:41:01,876 and, you know, things that... that run the lives 791 00:41:02,043 --> 00:41:04,212 of the average person in the street, 792 00:41:04,712 --> 00:41:06,046 they aren't doing a good job of it 793 00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:07,674 'cause they don't really care. 794 00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:09,884 Man: Why don't you run for president? 795 00:41:09,968 --> 00:41:11,802 I thought about it a number of times before. 796 00:41:11,886 --> 00:41:14,097 And then the thing that always holds me back 797 00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:16,974 is that what would it feel like to actually be the president, 798 00:41:17,058 --> 00:41:19,158 you know, and have to stay in Washington DC 799 00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:22,397 in a house for four years? That'd be pretty grim. 800 00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:27,402 - (singers vocalizing) - (tambourine playing) 801 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:37,870 Zappa: A lot of what we do is designed to annoy people 802 00:41:38,037 --> 00:41:40,437 to the point where they might, just for a second, 803 00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:42,542 question enough of their environment 804 00:41:42,709 --> 00:41:44,085 to do something about it. 805 00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,340 As long as they don't feel their environment, 806 00:41:49,424 --> 00:41:50,883 they don't worry about it. 807 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:53,260 They're not going to do anything to change it. 808 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:54,844 And something's got to be done 809 00:41:54,971 --> 00:41:58,099 before America scarfs up the world and shits on it. 810 00:41:58,349 --> 00:42:01,060 ♪ We are the other people We are the other people ♪ 811 00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:04,230 ♪ We are the other people You're the other people too ♪ 812 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,025 ♪ Found a way to get to you ♪ 813 00:42:07,984 --> 00:42:10,695 ♪ We are the other people We are the other people ♪ 814 00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:13,865 ♪ We are the other people You're the other people too ♪ 815 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:16,951 ♪ Found a way to get to you ♪ 816 00:42:18,327 --> 00:42:20,747 ♪ Do you think that I love you... ♪ 817 00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:22,747 Zappa: I wasn't in the United States 818 00:42:22,832 --> 00:42:25,084 when Moon was born. I was on the road. 819 00:42:25,251 --> 00:42:26,877 As I walked out the door to get on the bus, 820 00:42:26,961 --> 00:42:30,465 "I said," Well, if it's a girl, name it Moon, 821 00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:32,481 and if it's a boy, name it Motorhead." 822 00:42:34,677 --> 00:42:39,265 ("Final Hymn" from Stravinsky's The Firebird plays) 823 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,163 Reporter: In California, actor Ronald Reagan 824 00:43:44,247 --> 00:43:46,081 and Mrs. Reagan arrive to cast their votes 825 00:43:46,165 --> 00:43:47,834 in the state's primary election. 826 00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:50,503 He's the Republican nominee for governor. 827 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:52,880 It's his first political contest. 828 00:43:57,552 --> 00:44:00,179 Gail: Reagan was the governor of California. 829 00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:06,602 And there was a freak contingent starting in LA at the time. 830 00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:11,566 And in those days, if you had long hair in this town 831 00:44:11,899 --> 00:44:13,401 and you were driving a car, 832 00:44:13,568 --> 00:44:15,444 it was such an infrequent occurrence 833 00:44:16,028 --> 00:44:18,155 that people would actually wave to each other. 834 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,491 That's how... what a tigh... what a small 835 00:44:20,658 --> 00:44:22,618 and tight community it was. 836 00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:25,329 Pamela: Well, Frank was considered 837 00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:28,207 by everyone on the strip and all the people in the clubs 838 00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:31,794 to be sort of the... I mean, the ersatz Pied Piper 839 00:44:31,961 --> 00:44:33,004 of Laurel Canyon. 840 00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:35,589 He was right in the center of it in the log cabin, 841 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,800 which was Tom Mix's old cabin 842 00:44:38,092 --> 00:44:40,344 with his horse buried under the bowling alley. 843 00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:41,845 People can't believe these kind of things. 844 00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:44,014 With Houdini's house right across the street. 845 00:44:44,098 --> 00:44:47,476 And he... he was this centrifugal force 846 00:44:47,852 --> 00:44:49,228 of Laurel Canyon. 847 00:44:49,854 --> 00:44:51,230 Any kind of rock star, 848 00:44:51,397 --> 00:44:53,190 especially the British guys who came to town, 849 00:44:53,274 --> 00:44:56,277 wanted to meet Frank. So, we would, 850 00:44:56,444 --> 00:44:58,154 you know, meet these rock stars, 851 00:44:58,321 --> 00:44:59,655 and they right away would say, 852 00:44:59,739 --> 00:45:01,449 "C... can we meet Zappa?" 853 00:45:01,616 --> 00:45:03,700 So, of course, Jagger was there, the Stones, 854 00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:05,620 and all the local bands too. 855 00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:06,829 But Jeff Beck, I mean. 856 00:45:06,913 --> 00:45:08,747 Any... anybody you can think of at that time. 857 00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:13,044 It was the center of the world at that point. 858 00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:15,296 ♪ A brown felt top hat ♪ 859 00:45:15,463 --> 00:45:17,006 ♪ Wrapped with a bow ♪ 860 00:45:17,173 --> 00:45:19,008 ♪ Yellow wrap-around girl-watchers ♪ 861 00:45:19,217 --> 00:45:20,551 ♪ That never show ♪ 862 00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:22,268 ♪ His blue eyes, his blue eyes ♪ 863 00:45:22,428 --> 00:45:24,138 ♪ What a fantastic disguise ♪ 864 00:45:24,305 --> 00:45:27,391 ♪ He's so grand and fantastic, so wonderful ♪ 865 00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:31,062 Pamela: Frank suggested, since he had started a record label, 866 00:45:31,229 --> 00:45:35,066 that we actually become our own group. 867 00:45:35,399 --> 00:45:36,699 It was very ra... unusual. 868 00:45:36,817 --> 00:45:38,861 I mean, there were no rock... Girl rock bands at all 869 00:45:38,945 --> 00:45:41,906 or rock groups. We didn't play any instruments. 870 00:45:42,907 --> 00:45:46,369 And he wanted us just to capture our lives in Laurel Canyon, 871 00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:47,453 on the Strip. 872 00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:49,538 He thought we had something to say. 873 00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:53,668 He always liked to preserve moments in time. 874 00:45:54,669 --> 00:45:57,588 Man: Uh, what kind of, uh, girls are these groupies? 875 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,923 Zappa: Well, not all of 'em are groupies, you know. 876 00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:02,426 Some girls that will readily admit that they are groupies 877 00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:04,860 have a very special sort of mentality, you know, 878 00:46:05,012 --> 00:46:07,598 and they... they aspire to that position. 879 00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:10,851 But there are other girls who would never admit that they are groupies, 880 00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:13,271 but who function in that capacity anyway. 881 00:46:13,437 --> 00:46:15,487 Man: And the... what about, uh, your wife? 882 00:46:15,606 --> 00:46:17,650 I mean, does she like it? 883 00:46:17,817 --> 00:46:19,567 Well, she's become accustomed to it 884 00:46:19,652 --> 00:46:21,112 over a period of years. 885 00:46:24,198 --> 00:46:25,699 Pamela: Well, early, early days, 886 00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:28,577 I did not notice any messing around. 887 00:46:29,412 --> 00:46:31,163 When... when Moon was a little baby, 888 00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:32,831 and then she got pregnant with Dweezil, 889 00:46:32,915 --> 00:46:34,959 and she insisted they leave that scene. 890 00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:36,210 I remember that. 891 00:46:36,419 --> 00:46:37,420 Okay, that's it. 892 00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,422 She... she was having another kid. 893 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:43,301 And, uh, you know, I don't think she liked it. 894 00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:46,136 She didn't. In fact, I know she didn't like it, 895 00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:48,014 but she knew about it. 896 00:46:48,597 --> 00:46:50,599 Zappa: I'm a human being, you know. 897 00:46:51,142 --> 00:46:52,643 I like to get laid. 898 00:46:53,894 --> 00:46:56,647 I mean, is... you have to be realistic about these things. 899 00:46:56,731 --> 00:46:59,381 You go out on the road, you strap on a bunch of girls, 900 00:46:59,525 --> 00:47:00,776 you come back to the house, 901 00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:01,860 you find out you've got the clap. 902 00:47:01,944 --> 00:47:03,570 What, you're going to keep it a secret from your wife? 903 00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,282 You know. So, I come back there, I said, 904 00:47:06,449 --> 00:47:08,575 "Look, I got the clap. Go get a prescription ." 905 00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:11,203 So, she goes out and gets some penicillin tablets. 906 00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,456 We both take them, and that's it. 907 00:47:14,749 --> 00:47:17,209 She grumbles every once in a while, but, you know, 908 00:47:17,793 --> 00:47:19,170 she's my wife. 909 00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:23,507 Pamela: And he did include her in... in almost everything 910 00:47:23,674 --> 00:47:24,974 that... that he was doing. 911 00:47:25,176 --> 00:47:27,345 She was right there at all times. 912 00:47:27,511 --> 00:47:29,137 All right. Now what do you want to do about... 913 00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:30,389 Gail: I'll tell you the secret 914 00:47:30,473 --> 00:47:32,308 to keep maintaining a relationship, 915 00:47:32,475 --> 00:47:36,479 apart from the hideous uh, occupational hazards 916 00:47:36,645 --> 00:47:39,565 that in... that are specific to rock and roll, 917 00:47:39,774 --> 00:47:43,527 um, which can throw you for an... take you 918 00:47:43,694 --> 00:47:48,157 on an emotional rollercoaster if you let it from time to time. 919 00:47:48,324 --> 00:47:49,367 But... 920 00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,995 the main thing is don't have those conversations. 921 00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:57,041 So, Frank does what he does, and I do what I do. 922 00:48:00,086 --> 00:48:03,286 You know, I used to... had an expression in my own mind about it. 923 00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:05,174 A polarity of passions. 924 00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:08,010 Two different worlds there, 925 00:48:08,177 --> 00:48:10,304 and it's sometimes very uncomfortable 926 00:48:10,471 --> 00:48:13,265 because he couldn't fucking wait to get out of the house 927 00:48:13,432 --> 00:48:14,683 and go on the road. 928 00:48:15,226 --> 00:48:17,853 But then, he was also very happy to come home 929 00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:19,605 just to feel safe again. 930 00:48:24,652 --> 00:48:25,944 Gail: One of the reasons why I said, 931 00:48:26,028 --> 00:48:27,279 "Let's get the fuck out of here," 932 00:48:27,363 --> 00:48:31,033 because Manson had set up shop in the mountain behind us 933 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,618 at the log cabin. 934 00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,914 There was this trail that was maybe ten feet 935 00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:38,281 from the bedroom window, 936 00:48:38,624 --> 00:48:41,001 and every morning, I would see their feet 937 00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:43,110 cruising around the neighborhood. 938 00:48:43,796 --> 00:48:45,214 They were creepy. 939 00:48:47,216 --> 00:48:48,968 I mean, the thing about the '60s, 940 00:48:49,593 --> 00:48:51,720 you just know stuff. 941 00:48:52,221 --> 00:48:54,348 You don't know why you know it, but you just know it. 942 00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:56,851 You feel it. It's... it's just in the air. 943 00:48:57,017 --> 00:48:58,686 And I remember that. 944 00:48:58,978 --> 00:49:01,228 Reporter: The family's leader, Charles Manson, 945 00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:03,482 denied that they were a violent group. 946 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,735 Gail: I don't know if previous generations felt that. 947 00:49:07,361 --> 00:49:09,029 But I know we did. 948 00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:11,991 Whoever was alive then did. 949 00:49:12,491 --> 00:49:15,244 (sinister music playing) 950 00:49:28,674 --> 00:49:30,884 Alice: The way we met was that I met Miss Christine 951 00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:31,969 from the GTOs. 952 00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:34,179 And they knew we were looking for a contract, 953 00:49:34,263 --> 00:49:37,163 and... and they knew Frank was just starting his own label. 954 00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:41,103 And we were this little band coming to LA to try to make it. 955 00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:44,273 Not knowing that he was going to be our savior. 956 00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:47,026 Every record company turned us down 957 00:49:47,193 --> 00:49:48,611 except for Frank. 958 00:49:49,111 --> 00:49:50,237 It was weird. 959 00:49:50,488 --> 00:49:52,072 He had the freaks, 960 00:49:52,323 --> 00:49:54,950 and he had the very, extremely intelligent 961 00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:57,912 and the very artsy people behind him. 962 00:49:58,162 --> 00:50:00,862 And then there was the whole middle that didn't get it. 963 00:50:00,998 --> 00:50:05,377 (band playing) 964 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,765 Man: You formally disbanded the Mothers in 1969. Why? 965 00:50:19,183 --> 00:50:21,018 Zappa: Because it was a disaster. 966 00:50:21,393 --> 00:50:22,561 We were doing a tour. 967 00:50:22,728 --> 00:50:24,772 The tour wasn't successful. 968 00:50:25,272 --> 00:50:28,817 At the beginning, I took 400 dollars out of my bank account 969 00:50:28,984 --> 00:50:30,152 so I could eat. 970 00:50:31,111 --> 00:50:32,811 And by the time the tour was over, 971 00:50:32,905 --> 00:50:34,489 after paying everybody and everything, 972 00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:36,742 I was 10, 000 dollars in debt. 973 00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:39,453 And it just seemed to me that this was not the... 974 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,206 A lifestyle I wished to continue. 975 00:50:42,831 --> 00:50:45,709 Hey. That sounds like shit. 976 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:51,382 Want to get a level on this before we actually make it? 977 00:50:53,926 --> 00:50:56,676 Bunk: When we first went out to play, after the concert, 978 00:50:56,804 --> 00:50:59,723 we wanted to know if we were actually going to get paid. 979 00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:03,018 There was always that kind of, 980 00:51:03,185 --> 00:51:06,105 "Wow. What's going on financially?" 981 00:51:06,897 --> 00:51:09,942 So, we didn't even get a two-week notice. 982 00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:11,944 And... and I remember saying, 983 00:51:12,152 --> 00:51:14,196 "I just bought a new Chevy," whatever. 984 00:51:14,363 --> 00:51:15,864 You know. So, no. 985 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,409 It was totally out of the blue. 986 00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:20,411 Totally. 987 00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:25,874 Mike: I think that Frank realized, "Wow." 988 00:51:26,041 --> 00:51:27,835 I just wanted to create something, 989 00:51:28,002 --> 00:51:29,836 "and I wanted to make a statement artistically," 990 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,089 but there's people relying on you. 991 00:51:32,256 --> 00:51:34,300 There's people expecting paychecks. 992 00:51:34,466 --> 00:51:37,428 And then Frank is like, "This isn't fun for me anymore." 993 00:51:37,595 --> 00:51:40,180 I don't want to feel as though I'm responsible 994 00:51:40,347 --> 00:51:41,890 for the... the happiness and livelihood 995 00:51:41,974 --> 00:51:43,674 "of... of a bunch of other people." 996 00:51:45,311 --> 00:51:47,396 "All I want to do is... is make statements 997 00:51:47,563 --> 00:51:50,107 and see how they sound." 998 00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:55,237 Zappa: The new format that I'm working with now is... 999 00:51:55,529 --> 00:51:57,739 that if I want to form a group called The Mothers of Invention 1000 00:51:57,823 --> 00:51:59,783 I'll stick anybody in it that I want to. 1001 00:51:59,867 --> 00:52:03,287 It's just whoever happens to be right for the type of work 1002 00:52:03,454 --> 00:52:04,455 that we're doing. 1003 00:52:04,622 --> 00:52:06,373 Like, for instance, if I'm going to do a concert 1004 00:52:06,457 --> 00:52:08,750 with a symphony orchestra and I don't necessarily 1005 00:52:08,834 --> 00:52:11,337 want to do a lot of vocals with the orchestra, 1006 00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:13,003 then I don't bring the vocals. 1007 00:52:13,339 --> 00:52:16,091 Or I... I have, uh, occasion to play a job 1008 00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:18,009 with a small group, like four or five pieces, 1009 00:52:18,093 --> 00:52:19,594 where I'm just going to play the guitar, 1010 00:52:19,678 --> 00:52:21,428 I'll bring along an instrumentation 1011 00:52:21,513 --> 00:52:23,182 - like Hot Rats. - Man: Uh-hmm. 1012 00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:25,434 So, I... it gives me a little bit more 1013 00:52:25,601 --> 00:52:27,686 artistic flexibility, you might say. 1014 00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:30,314 Most of what occurred after that, 1015 00:52:30,564 --> 00:52:32,941 the groups were not as permanent. 1016 00:52:33,776 --> 00:52:36,028 They didn't have the same kind of personality 1017 00:52:36,195 --> 00:52:37,245 as the early Mothers. 1018 00:52:38,656 --> 00:52:42,117 The one that followed on after that 1969 batch 1019 00:52:42,284 --> 00:52:44,034 was the group with Mark and Howard. 1020 00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:45,537 And it had an identity. 1021 00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:48,248 - Oh, you're so professional. - Oh, okay. 1022 00:52:48,415 --> 00:52:51,794 The way you get to travel to all those exotic places. 1023 00:52:52,252 --> 00:52:56,048 Do you really have a hit single on the charts with a bullet? 1024 00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:03,514 ♪ Imagine me and you, I do ♪ 1025 00:53:03,681 --> 00:53:07,184 ♪ I think about you day and night, it's only right ♪ 1026 00:53:07,351 --> 00:53:10,938 ♪ To think about the girl you love and hold her tight ♪ 1027 00:53:11,105 --> 00:53:14,775 ♪ So happy together ♪ 1028 00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:19,738 ♪ I can't see me lovin' nobody but you ♪ 1029 00:53:19,905 --> 00:53:22,741 ♪ For all my life ♪ 1030 00:53:22,908 --> 00:53:26,829 ♪ When you're with me, baby, the skies'll be blue ♪ 1031 00:53:26,995 --> 00:53:30,374 ♪ For all my life ♪ 1032 00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:33,001 Zappa: They had been in a group called The Turtles, 1033 00:53:33,085 --> 00:53:34,985 but I guess The Turtles had broken up. 1034 00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:36,672 And I had done a concert 1035 00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:38,340 with the Los Angeles Philharmonic, 1036 00:53:38,424 --> 00:53:40,300 and they came to the concert. 1037 00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:42,385 And we decided that I would put together 1038 00:53:42,469 --> 00:53:44,179 another touring band called the Mothers 1039 00:53:44,263 --> 00:53:46,557 and go out and do amusing things. 1040 00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:51,395 Hey! 1041 00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:00,654 ♪ Call any vegetable ♪ 1042 00:54:01,196 --> 00:54:02,948 ♪ Call it by name ♪ 1043 00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:07,494 ♪ Call one today ♪ 1044 00:54:08,328 --> 00:54:10,581 ♪ When you get off the train ♪ 1045 00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:15,753 ♪ Call any vegetable ♪ 1046 00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:21,925 ♪ And the chances are good! ♪ 1047 00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:26,305 Zappa: We were redefining 1048 00:54:26,472 --> 00:54:28,223 the expectations of entertainment. 1049 00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:29,974 But it seemed to me there was no reason 1050 00:54:30,058 --> 00:54:31,810 why that audience shouldn't experience 1051 00:54:31,894 --> 00:54:33,561 some of the things that had already happened 1052 00:54:33,645 --> 00:54:36,273 since 1920 in musical development. 1053 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,358 Things that they were completely unaware of 1054 00:54:38,442 --> 00:54:41,278 just because they were a "rock audience" 1055 00:54:41,445 --> 00:54:44,114 and therefore deprived of musical experience. 1056 00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:46,492 It wasn't being presented to them in any kind 1057 00:54:46,658 --> 00:54:48,952 of music appreciation class in school. 1058 00:54:49,578 --> 00:54:51,789 Unfortunately, there were some people 1059 00:54:51,955 --> 00:54:55,709 who thought that it was bad because nothing should change 1060 00:54:55,876 --> 00:54:57,419 real rock and roll. 1061 00:54:57,586 --> 00:55:00,756 And anybody who would interfere with that kind of aesthetic 1062 00:55:00,923 --> 00:55:04,468 was viewed as a threat and needed to be disposed of. 1063 00:55:05,135 --> 00:55:08,305 And basically, my career has been... 1064 00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:12,142 year after year, waiting to be disposed of. 1065 00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:43,340 Man: How do you know about success? 1066 00:55:43,966 --> 00:55:45,592 Zappa: How do I know about success? 1067 00:55:45,676 --> 00:55:46,927 I don't know. 1068 00:55:48,637 --> 00:55:50,221 I watched The Beatles in the '60s. 1069 00:55:50,305 --> 00:55:51,682 I guess that's success. 1070 00:55:52,057 --> 00:55:53,809 (cheers and applause) 1071 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:56,144 Hey. Sit down and cool it for a minute 1072 00:55:56,311 --> 00:55:57,979 so I can hear what we're going to do. 1073 00:55:58,063 --> 00:56:00,690 And for... and for those of you in the band who have no idea 1074 00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:03,527 what's about to happen, this is in A minor. 1075 00:56:03,694 --> 00:56:04,778 And it's not standard... 1076 00:56:04,862 --> 00:56:06,446 Mike: You pretty much couldn't find 1077 00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:08,782 a... a more pristine example of somebody 1078 00:56:08,949 --> 00:56:10,784 at the absolute pinnacle 1079 00:56:10,951 --> 00:56:13,036 of mainstream musical success..- 1080 00:56:13,912 --> 00:56:16,665 who decides, "Wow. This is bullshit." 1081 00:56:17,457 --> 00:56:19,084 I'd just like to say hello. 1082 00:56:19,918 --> 00:56:24,965 Mike: And so, when Lennon and Zappa finally crossed paths... 1083 00:56:27,593 --> 00:56:32,222 in some ways, it gave John and Yoko's artistic expression 1084 00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:35,684 a framework that they never really enjoyed 1085 00:56:35,976 --> 00:56:37,769 in any other context. 1086 00:56:37,936 --> 00:56:40,105 And in some ways, makes more sense 1087 00:56:40,272 --> 00:56:42,983 when the imprimatur of Frank and the Mothers 1088 00:56:43,150 --> 00:56:44,359 are surrounding them. 1089 00:56:44,568 --> 00:56:45,819 ♪ Stupid ♪ 1090 00:56:46,904 --> 00:56:48,363 ♪ Stupid ♪ 1091 00:56:49,907 --> 00:56:51,408 ♪ Stupid ♪ 1092 00:56:52,993 --> 00:56:54,286 ♪ Stupid ♪ 1093 00:56:55,787 --> 00:56:57,372 ♪ Stupid ♪ 1094 00:56:58,665 --> 00:56:59,708 ♪ Stupid ♪ 1095 00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:04,963 Alice: I really think Frank was afraid to have a hit record. 1096 00:57:06,173 --> 00:57:09,173 Because I think Frank could have written hit records all day. 1097 00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:13,555 And he purposely sabotaged a lot of his records. 1098 00:57:15,265 --> 00:57:16,599 It was interesting 'cause everybody 1099 00:57:16,683 --> 00:57:18,983 was going for the hit record, and he never did. 1100 00:57:20,812 --> 00:57:23,523 Ian: That makes absolutely no sense to me. 1101 00:57:25,192 --> 00:57:28,820 But I don't disagree with it because I... I think 1102 00:57:28,987 --> 00:57:31,239 that that's probably correct, but I don't think Frank was... 1103 00:57:31,323 --> 00:57:36,620 Had any interest whatsoever in writing an... any hit tunes. 1104 00:57:37,746 --> 00:57:40,207 That's not even on his radar. 1105 00:57:42,668 --> 00:57:43,835 Ruth: This man... 1106 00:57:44,378 --> 00:57:47,297 was just a walking mass of contradictions, 1107 00:57:47,547 --> 00:57:50,425 and yet... now I'm going to contradict myself. 1108 00:57:50,592 --> 00:57:51,718 At the same time, 1109 00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:54,304 he was very consistent with those contradictions. 1110 00:57:56,264 --> 00:57:58,809 (orchestra plays) 1111 00:58:02,688 --> 00:58:05,232 Man: Do you see any commercial potential in it? 1112 00:58:05,482 --> 00:58:08,402 I sure as hell hope so. (laughs) 1113 00:58:11,571 --> 00:58:14,366 From 200 Motels he expects the worst reviews 1114 00:58:14,533 --> 00:58:16,618 of any movie ever put out. 1115 00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:21,999 His intention is to create a piece of film so bizarre 1116 00:58:22,249 --> 00:58:25,877 and parts of it so full of bullshit 1117 00:58:26,795 --> 00:58:29,840 and other parts of it so technically perfect 1118 00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:32,467 that the people are going to leave the theater, going... 1119 00:58:32,551 --> 00:58:34,970 "I didn't understand it at all. What's he doing? 1120 00:58:35,137 --> 00:58:37,513 What's... what's the message? What's he trying to say?" 1121 00:58:37,597 --> 00:58:39,808 Well, that's the message. 1122 00:58:40,267 --> 00:58:41,810 Martin walks over in here. 1123 00:58:41,977 --> 00:58:44,270 You just come over and stand near the side of the organ 1124 00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:45,730 and watch from the background. 1125 00:58:45,814 --> 00:58:47,899 Mark: Just the whole idea that it is Frank Zappa 1126 00:58:47,983 --> 00:58:49,484 and The Mothers of Invention 1127 00:58:49,776 --> 00:58:51,486 has always given us something to talk about. 1128 00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:55,824 You know, Frank is, you know, our boss, and so there's always 1129 00:58:55,991 --> 00:59:00,037 that kind of management/worker relationship. 1130 00:59:00,704 --> 00:59:02,706 It's all very temporary. 1131 00:59:02,914 --> 00:59:06,710 And, uh, that's the way it works. 1132 00:59:06,877 --> 00:59:09,296 And you just... you just never know. 1133 00:59:09,463 --> 00:59:11,798 I mean, like, it isn't the final stay 1134 00:59:11,965 --> 00:59:13,091 for any of us. 1135 00:59:13,258 --> 00:59:14,759 You know, like, this isn't the final Mothers 1136 00:59:14,843 --> 00:59:16,219 Frank will have. 1137 00:59:16,511 --> 00:59:19,097 It's hard to say how long we will be together. 1138 00:59:20,432 --> 00:59:22,976 So, they see that you're getting Martin back there and everybody. 1139 00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:24,519 You're waking them all up. 1140 00:59:25,604 --> 00:59:29,357 Steve: My perspective of it has changed through the years. 1141 00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:32,486 Because when I was in it, 1142 00:59:33,278 --> 00:59:36,031 I was a tool for the composer 1143 00:59:36,198 --> 00:59:38,366 and... and as... Is all of his musicians. 1144 00:59:38,575 --> 00:59:42,871 And he used his tools, uh, brilliantly. 1145 00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:46,833 It's like, whatever you can do that's interesting and unique, 1146 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,752 it's going to be exaggerated 1147 00:59:49,377 --> 00:59:54,257 and used as he deems fit for his music. 1148 00:59:57,094 --> 01:00:01,807 Ruth: Frank would often appear to be cold, aloof, 1149 01:00:01,973 --> 01:00:06,812 and not personally involved with his trained monkeys 1150 01:00:06,978 --> 01:00:08,980 as once he joked about. 1151 01:00:09,147 --> 01:00:11,047 We're just all trained monkeys, right? 1152 01:00:11,191 --> 01:00:14,194 He's the circus ringleader or whatever. 1153 01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:21,118 But I want to tell you that he had great feelings for us. 1154 01:00:21,827 --> 01:00:24,246 He was... he was human. 1155 01:00:24,412 --> 01:00:27,374 There were times when I didn't feel 1156 01:00:27,582 --> 01:00:28,917 that he was so much. 1157 01:00:29,084 --> 01:00:31,711 And I did feel he was cruel at times. 1158 01:00:31,878 --> 01:00:34,631 But he was a passionate man. 1159 01:00:34,798 --> 01:00:37,759 And he developed real love, 1160 01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:40,178 I'm not going to say equally for everybody. 1161 01:00:40,345 --> 01:00:45,016 But the people that he loved, he kept bringing back 1162 01:00:45,725 --> 01:00:48,979 over and through many of the bands. 1163 01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:50,856 Many of the tours. 1164 01:00:53,024 --> 01:00:55,527 (speaking indistinctly) 1165 01:00:55,944 --> 01:00:57,894 Gail: Frank was very loyal to the people 1166 01:00:58,071 --> 01:00:59,906 that had helped him along the way 1167 01:01:00,073 --> 01:01:02,242 even if they were the worst motherfuckers. 1168 01:01:02,742 --> 01:01:06,288 He would, um, go out of his way to help them. 1169 01:01:07,164 --> 01:01:11,459 And I can count on one hand the friends that he truly 1170 01:01:11,626 --> 01:01:13,503 would spend time with. 1171 01:01:14,629 --> 01:01:18,508 He was pretty forgiving for someone that he knew, 1172 01:01:18,675 --> 01:01:20,677 but if he didn't know you, 1173 01:01:21,344 --> 01:01:22,762 one chance, that's it. 1174 01:01:22,929 --> 01:01:24,055 Done. 1175 01:01:24,431 --> 01:01:26,892 You know, so he could be hardcore as well. 1176 01:01:36,234 --> 01:01:37,944 First of all, he was not injured. 1177 01:01:38,195 --> 01:01:40,071 He was attacked. 1178 01:01:43,867 --> 01:01:46,328 This myth about him falling off the stage, 1179 01:01:46,494 --> 01:01:47,996 that didn't happen. 1180 01:01:48,163 --> 01:01:52,792 Some idiot attacked him and threw him off the stage. 1181 01:01:53,043 --> 01:01:55,143 - (people screaming) - (indistinct chatter) 1182 01:02:00,926 --> 01:02:03,636 Man : And I know a lot of people know something happened to you, 1183 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,180 and essentially, it was that 1184 01:02:05,347 --> 01:02:08,975 a person of somewhat demented condition, apparently, 1185 01:02:09,142 --> 01:02:10,476 had pulled you off the stage 1186 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,910 at a place called the Rainbow Theatre in London. 1187 01:02:13,897 --> 01:02:16,232 And you were knocked unconscious and pretty seriously injured. 1188 01:02:16,316 --> 01:02:17,650 And I know you were in a wheelchair 1189 01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:18,884 a long time after that. 1190 01:02:19,027 --> 01:02:21,696 Uh, there's been a lot of talk about some of the things 1191 01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:24,630 that happened to the Mothers as a result of that accident, 1192 01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:27,452 but I'm wondering what, if anything, it did to you. 1193 01:02:27,619 --> 01:02:28,744 Did it affect your thinking? 1194 01:02:28,828 --> 01:02:30,789 Did it change any of your perspectives? 1195 01:02:30,956 --> 01:02:32,374 Oh, certainly. Of course. 1196 01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:34,417 It helps you to find out who your friends are. 1197 01:02:34,501 --> 01:02:35,418 (chuckles) 1198 01:02:36,253 --> 01:02:38,463 Try sitting in a wheelchair for nine months. 1199 01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:40,480 You'll find out who your friends are. 1200 01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:45,094 The point that I was in the hospital, 1201 01:02:45,178 --> 01:02:46,095 you have a bunch of guys 1202 01:02:46,179 --> 01:02:47,597 who earn their living from touring. 1203 01:02:47,681 --> 01:02:50,181 And I was unable to tour for the bulk of that year. 1204 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,643 So, I'm used to being active and traveling around 1205 01:02:52,727 --> 01:02:54,479 and having a good time. 1206 01:02:54,813 --> 01:02:57,463 And so, if you're sitting there and you are an invalid 1207 01:02:57,691 --> 01:03:00,568 against your will, uh, it does change your outlook 1208 01:03:00,735 --> 01:03:01,903 a little bit. 1209 01:03:32,267 --> 01:03:34,811 Bruce: The nose is the important part 1210 01:03:35,895 --> 01:03:38,565 when you're making a Zappa head. 1211 01:03:39,816 --> 01:03:42,402 'Cause no one else has one like it. 1212 01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:49,159 It doesn't have ears, but that's because 1213 01:03:49,326 --> 01:03:52,245 they wouldn't be seen once you get the hair on. 1214 01:03:54,914 --> 01:03:58,460 But the hair is actually the... the simpler part 1215 01:03:58,626 --> 01:04:00,503 of this whole thing. 1216 01:04:01,129 --> 01:04:06,593 You can see here how easily the hair goes on. 1217 01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:13,767 Man: How did you find the animator, Bruce Bickford? 1218 01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:16,478 Zappa: I was sitting here with a broken leg, 1219 01:04:16,644 --> 01:04:18,396 and he climbed over my fence 1220 01:04:18,563 --> 01:04:20,732 with two reels of film under his arm. 1221 01:04:21,232 --> 01:04:22,650 Now, this is tough 'cause the fence 1222 01:04:22,734 --> 01:04:25,445 used to be pretty high, but he made it. 1223 01:04:28,156 --> 01:04:30,784 Bruce: I hitchhiked up to Laurel Canyon 1224 01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:33,036 and then found his house. 1225 01:04:34,913 --> 01:04:38,458 We looked at the stuff, and he was impressed 1226 01:04:38,625 --> 01:04:41,461 by the number of figures that I could sustain 1227 01:04:41,628 --> 01:04:44,130 in animation in one shot. 1228 01:04:45,799 --> 01:04:48,927 Zappa: As far as I can tell, he's the best ever. 1229 01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:51,554 And he wanted to know if I could help him. 1230 01:04:51,638 --> 01:04:53,889 I was sitting in the basement, and here's this guy 1231 01:04:53,973 --> 01:04:55,100 with this footage. 1232 01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:57,842 And he's been on my payroll ever since. 1233 01:05:00,772 --> 01:05:02,940 Mike: Motherfucker throws Frank off the stage, 1234 01:05:03,024 --> 01:05:04,724 and whether Frank likes it or not, 1235 01:05:04,859 --> 01:05:07,153 that's a huge marker for a new phase. 1236 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,905 He's got to convalesce. 1237 01:05:09,072 --> 01:05:10,948 And what do you do if you're Frank Zappa 1238 01:05:11,032 --> 01:05:13,952 with that brain and you can't move? 1239 01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:15,453 And you can't get up? 1240 01:05:15,787 --> 01:05:17,664 He's got a restless, creative mind, 1241 01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:19,431 so he's going to start creating. 1242 01:05:19,958 --> 01:05:22,168 Zappa: Ladies and gentlemen, I suppose you've noticed 1243 01:05:22,252 --> 01:05:23,628 that this is a clay forest, 1244 01:05:23,795 --> 01:05:25,338 and the forest has been manufactured 1245 01:05:25,422 --> 01:05:26,589 for your edification 1246 01:05:26,756 --> 01:05:29,092 by none other than Bruce Bickford. 1247 01:05:29,259 --> 01:05:31,427 Bruce, would you please tell us what's going on 1248 01:05:31,511 --> 01:05:32,887 on this table over here? 1249 01:05:33,138 --> 01:05:35,765 Bruce: Well, all you have to do is just move it 1250 01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:37,559 a very slight amount. 1251 01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:40,311 And then you take the picture. 1252 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,815 And you move it again. And just keep going. 1253 01:05:43,982 --> 01:05:46,192 And you can pick up speed after a while. 1254 01:05:46,359 --> 01:05:49,529 On making sure each time that you get your fingers out 1255 01:05:49,696 --> 01:05:53,241 from in front of the lens before you take the picture. 1256 01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:56,244 That's all you got to know. 1257 01:05:58,788 --> 01:06:01,916 Uh, at times, he... he was stubborn. 1258 01:06:02,917 --> 01:06:04,335 We were gonna make a movie, 1259 01:06:04,502 --> 01:06:10,467 and all he could think about was control. H is control. 1260 01:06:11,759 --> 01:06:15,847 He had some emotions that ran deep 1261 01:06:16,306 --> 01:06:18,600 that he wouldn't express. 1262 01:06:20,685 --> 01:06:25,690 Bunk: I just accepted everything rather than questioning 1263 01:06:25,899 --> 01:06:28,067 why are you like you are? 1264 01:06:28,234 --> 01:06:31,154 But I could see the workaholic, 1265 01:06:31,738 --> 01:06:35,658 and that was where his joy was coming from. 1266 01:06:37,202 --> 01:06:40,288 Mike: I think that Frank didn't, like, express himself 1267 01:06:40,497 --> 01:06:43,541 as directly in terms of his own emotions. 1268 01:06:44,751 --> 01:06:47,962 I don't think he saw that as his purpose. 1269 01:06:50,131 --> 01:06:52,467 Bruce: He had so much talent. 1270 01:06:52,967 --> 01:06:55,678 It defied everything. 1271 01:07:00,558 --> 01:07:03,853 Mike: When something cataclysmic happens in your life, 1272 01:07:04,729 --> 01:07:07,064 there's any number of ways you can deal with it. 1273 01:07:07,148 --> 01:07:08,998 You can just go, "Oh, my god, why me?" 1274 01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:11,152 And be capsized. 1275 01:07:11,319 --> 01:07:14,781 "Or you can say," Well, I got no choice in the matter here. 1276 01:07:14,948 --> 01:07:16,533 Something has changed." 1277 01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:18,974 He's not going to continue employing a group 1278 01:07:19,118 --> 01:07:20,318 while he's convalescing, 1279 01:07:20,411 --> 01:07:23,623 so that version of the Mothers scatters, 1280 01:07:24,207 --> 01:07:25,666 starts doing their own things. 1281 01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:28,753 And as soon as he's able to write, 1282 01:07:29,504 --> 01:07:32,006 wheel to the rehearsal studio, get some of the horn players in there, 1283 01:07:32,090 --> 01:07:34,800 put the charts in front of him, hear what things sound like, 1284 01:07:34,884 --> 01:07:37,720 end up with a stack of new compositions, 1285 01:07:37,887 --> 01:07:41,015 go out on the road, surprise people yet again. 1286 01:07:42,141 --> 01:07:44,727 Let me tell you something. Do you like monster movies? 1287 01:07:44,811 --> 01:07:46,020 Anybody? 1288 01:07:46,604 --> 01:07:49,274 I love monster movies. 1289 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,820 I simply adore monster movies and the cheaper they are, 1290 01:07:54,028 --> 01:07:56,406 the better they are. All right? 1291 01:07:58,032 --> 01:07:59,784 And this is "Cheepnis" here. 1292 01:08:00,034 --> 01:08:01,744 One, two, three, four. 1293 01:08:09,627 --> 01:08:11,337 ♪ I ate a hot dog ♪ 1294 01:08:11,504 --> 01:08:13,256 ♪ It tasted real good ♪ 1295 01:08:16,301 --> 01:08:18,678 ♪ Then I watched a movie from Hollywood ♪ 1296 01:08:22,765 --> 01:08:24,267 (cheers and applause) 1297 01:08:39,407 --> 01:08:41,701 I want to tell you one more time. 1298 01:08:42,243 --> 01:08:43,703 I want to thank you 1299 01:08:43,911 --> 01:08:45,830 because I really appreciate this. 1300 01:08:46,497 --> 01:08:49,000 (guitar wailing) 1301 01:09:05,016 --> 01:09:08,519 Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 1302 01:09:08,686 --> 01:09:11,939 Thank every one of you. And good night. 1303 01:09:19,072 --> 01:09:22,367 Scott: I think at every point in his life, 1304 01:09:22,533 --> 01:09:24,577 he was trying to do the best thing 1305 01:09:24,911 --> 01:09:27,955 that he could to have no regrets. 1306 01:09:28,831 --> 01:09:35,254 But what was Frank honestly trying to do? 1307 01:09:35,797 --> 01:09:40,635 He didn't give a shit about the immediate... 1308 01:09:40,968 --> 01:09:44,555 world of his... of his attempting to function 1309 01:09:44,722 --> 01:09:46,682 in the way that he chose to function, which was 1310 01:09:46,766 --> 01:09:49,143 "If I'm alive, I've got to be in the studio. 1311 01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:52,146 I've got to be at the music paper." 1312 01:09:52,980 --> 01:09:54,189 Zappa: My desires are simple. 1313 01:09:54,273 --> 01:09:55,899 All I want to do is get a good performance 1314 01:09:55,983 --> 01:09:56,983 and a good recording 1315 01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:59,361 of everything that I ever wrote so I can hear it. 1316 01:09:59,445 --> 01:10:00,863 And if anybody else wants to hear it, 1317 01:10:00,947 --> 01:10:02,198 then that's great too. 1318 01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:05,827 Sounds easy, but it's really hard to do. 1319 01:10:06,994 --> 01:10:09,914 Steve: Frank was a slave to his inner ear. 1320 01:10:10,123 --> 01:10:12,083 So, he heard things a particular way, 1321 01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:14,418 and then he tried to manifest them in the world, 1322 01:10:14,502 --> 01:10:15,878 but there were limitations. 1323 01:10:16,045 --> 01:10:18,923 And... there's financial limitations to a degree 1324 01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:21,592 when you're dealing with orchestra pieces. 1325 01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:24,345 And there's performance limitations, you know? 1326 01:10:24,512 --> 01:10:27,807 You can just write something that somebody can't play, you know. 1327 01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:31,519 But the music needed to resemble what he was hearing 1328 01:10:31,644 --> 01:10:32,520 in his head. 1329 01:10:33,187 --> 01:10:36,566 So, this led to a lot of... I think suffering on his part 1330 01:10:36,733 --> 01:10:39,183 due to the inadequacies and limitations of others, 1331 01:10:39,277 --> 01:10:41,571 you know. Sorry, Frank. 1332 01:10:41,863 --> 01:10:43,656 (laughter) 1333 01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:45,992 Zappa: We rehearse all the time. 1334 01:10:46,826 --> 01:10:49,245 Every day before we play, we rehearse. 1335 01:10:49,454 --> 01:10:51,038 We'll... we'll rehearse, uh, 1336 01:10:51,205 --> 01:10:54,333 before this tour, we rehearsed for three weeks 1337 01:10:54,917 --> 01:10:58,212 four days a week, five hours a day. 1338 01:10:58,838 --> 01:11:01,688 Steve: A lot of people think, "Oh, he was very demanding." 1339 01:11:02,008 --> 01:11:03,760 No more demanding than anybody 1340 01:11:03,926 --> 01:11:06,095 that has a job that they need to do. 1341 01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:09,932 But it would be really difficult for a musician in Frank's band 1342 01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:12,894 if he was asking you to do things that you couldn't do. 1343 01:11:13,311 --> 01:11:15,188 But he always asked you to do things 1344 01:11:15,354 --> 01:11:18,441 that he believed you can do, but maybe you didn't. 1345 01:11:21,068 --> 01:11:24,280 "Black Page" was a piece of music that Frank wrote. 1346 01:11:25,323 --> 01:11:28,951 It's probably, um, at the foref... 1347 01:11:29,118 --> 01:11:30,536 forefront of innovation 1348 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,457 in regard to rhythmic polymetric notation. 1349 01:11:35,958 --> 01:11:39,128 No doubt. No doubt. Because there's certain rhythmic 1350 01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:41,255 situations in that piece 1351 01:11:41,798 --> 01:11:44,842 that are extraordinarily complex, 1352 01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:46,594 but the important thing 1353 01:11:46,803 --> 01:11:49,003 is it sounds like a beautiful piece of music. 1354 01:11:49,096 --> 01:11:50,139 It's unique. 1355 01:11:50,306 --> 01:11:51,974 It's a comp... and it's nothing like anything else 1356 01:11:52,058 --> 01:11:54,769 in his catalog. This is Frank, you know. 1357 01:11:54,936 --> 01:11:58,689 And so, the "Black Page" is this piece of music 1358 01:11:58,856 --> 01:12:00,441 that was like this, um, 1359 01:12:00,608 --> 01:12:03,277 phenomenon to me and to many others. 1360 01:12:19,085 --> 01:12:22,839 Ruth: There was no doubt that there was a person 1361 01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:26,801 who could write music, fantastic music, 1362 01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:29,387 who cared that it be played properly. 1363 01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:33,266 And what I'm hearing 1364 01:12:33,975 --> 01:12:36,227 was put on this earth for me. 1365 01:12:36,435 --> 01:12:37,603 It was for me. 1366 01:13:06,841 --> 01:13:08,426 Ruth: That music is there 1367 01:13:09,844 --> 01:13:12,638 for as long as we have any kind of, uh, 1368 01:13:12,805 --> 01:13:14,557 appreciation for the arts. 1369 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,935 The music that Frank made I think will last. 1370 01:13:27,069 --> 01:13:28,969 Producer: You guys fucking nailed that. 1371 01:13:29,989 --> 01:13:31,324 (laughs, cheers) 1372 01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:33,242 Yeah. That was good. 1373 01:13:36,203 --> 01:13:38,706 Man: Now that you are becoming a successful man 1374 01:13:38,873 --> 01:13:42,084 on... in the music scene, what consequences 1375 01:13:42,335 --> 01:13:44,003 could this probably have for you? 1376 01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:45,670 Zappa: I don't think about it. 1377 01:13:45,796 --> 01:13:47,246 A lot of times, the people... 1378 01:13:47,924 --> 01:13:50,009 like what you do for the wrong reasons. 1379 01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:53,721 Live from New York, it's Saturday Night. 1380 01:13:53,971 --> 01:13:56,223 (cheers and applause) 1381 01:13:57,391 --> 01:13:59,518 No, I don't do drugs. 1382 01:13:59,685 --> 01:14:03,522 I just don't like the effects it has on some people. 1383 01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:07,568 What do you mean, man? 1384 01:14:07,777 --> 01:14:09,236 What do you mean you don't do drugs? 1385 01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,030 Frank Zappa doesn't do drugs? 1386 01:14:11,197 --> 01:14:12,365 I don't believe it. 1387 01:14:13,074 --> 01:14:14,366 Zappa: Uh, well, that was their idea 1388 01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:15,701 of something funny. 1389 01:14:15,952 --> 01:14:17,995 I think they actually did it just to make fun of me, 1390 01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:19,204 you know, because you know 1391 01:14:19,288 --> 01:14:21,123 what their orientation is all about. 1392 01:14:21,874 --> 01:14:24,168 You didn't get high with the original Mothers? 1393 01:14:24,335 --> 01:14:26,087 - No. - What about Freak Out!, man? 1394 01:14:26,295 --> 01:14:28,589 You mean, you were straight when you wrote Freak Out!? 1395 01:14:28,673 --> 01:14:30,383 Oh my, God! Oh, my God! 1396 01:14:30,591 --> 01:14:35,179 Ah, wow, man, that's such a mind blower. 1397 01:14:35,554 --> 01:14:38,599 Zappa: I thought the whole skit sucked myself, and, uh, 1398 01:14:38,766 --> 01:14:40,351 I was just stuck doing it. 1399 01:14:40,518 --> 01:14:42,603 They wouldn't let me write anything for the show. 1400 01:14:42,687 --> 01:14:44,438 What is your function on this planet? 1401 01:14:44,522 --> 01:14:46,565 I am a musician. 1402 01:14:46,857 --> 01:14:48,067 One, two, three, four. 1403 01:14:50,444 --> 01:14:54,281 Don Pardo: Ladies and gentlemen. Frank Zappa. 1404 01:14:54,532 --> 01:14:56,232 ♪ I don't know much about dancing ♪ 1405 01:14:56,367 --> 01:14:57,826 ♪ That's why I got this song ♪ 1406 01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:59,745 ♪ One of my legs is shorter than the other ♪ 1407 01:14:59,829 --> 01:15:01,288 ♪ And both my feet's too long ♪ 1408 01:15:01,372 --> 01:15:03,081 ♪ Course now right along with them ♪ 1409 01:15:03,165 --> 01:15:04,500 ♪ Got no natural rhythm ♪ 1410 01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:06,126 ♪ But I go dancing every night ♪ 1411 01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:08,170 ♪ Hoping one day I might get it right ♪ 1412 01:15:08,337 --> 01:15:11,549 ♪ I'm a dancing fool ♪ 1413 01:15:11,924 --> 01:15:15,052 ♪ I'm a dancing fool ♪ 1414 01:15:15,261 --> 01:15:18,556 ♪ I'm a dancing fool ♪ 1415 01:15:18,723 --> 01:15:21,017 ♪ He's a dancing fool ♪ 1416 01:15:21,308 --> 01:15:23,258 ♪ I may be totally wrong, but I'm a... ♪ 1417 01:15:25,021 --> 01:15:26,971 ♪ I may be totally wrong, but I'm a... ♪ 1418 01:15:28,774 --> 01:15:30,724 ♪ I may be totally wrong, but I'm a... ♪ 1419 01:15:32,236 --> 01:15:35,698 ♪ I may be totally wrong, but I'm a fool, yeah ♪ 1420 01:15:36,323 --> 01:15:37,366 Mike: There was a part of him 1421 01:15:37,450 --> 01:15:39,368 that even though he had a lot of people's attention, 1422 01:15:39,452 --> 01:15:41,787 of feeling cynical about the fact that, 1423 01:15:41,954 --> 01:15:43,497 yeah, all these people are... are looking, 1424 01:15:43,581 --> 01:15:45,581 but they don't know what they're seeing. 1425 01:15:51,088 --> 01:15:53,340 Ray White: Sometimes truth, when you put truth up, 1426 01:15:53,424 --> 01:15:55,676 really quickly, like "Here's the truth," 1427 01:15:55,843 --> 01:15:59,180 uh, it's like, uh, uh, um, daylight to a vampire. 1428 01:15:59,346 --> 01:16:00,430 You know what I'm saying? 1429 01:16:00,514 --> 01:16:02,641 Some people are used to avoiding truth. 1430 01:16:02,892 --> 01:16:05,394 When someone puts it right on the table, 1431 01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:07,854 don't bring that plate out here again. 1432 01:16:07,938 --> 01:16:10,148 And don't play the music that the guy that eats off 1433 01:16:10,232 --> 01:16:11,609 that plate on the radio. 1434 01:16:12,610 --> 01:16:14,660 He don't... not only thinks, he discerns. 1435 01:16:15,362 --> 01:16:18,157 We got to keep this guy under check, you know? 1436 01:16:18,324 --> 01:16:19,533 'Cause he can't be out there. 1437 01:16:19,617 --> 01:16:21,660 And that's just my eyes seeing it 1438 01:16:21,827 --> 01:16:23,704 as a Black man in America. 1439 01:16:23,996 --> 01:16:25,497 Anybody that comes from the outside, 1440 01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:29,668 or so-called outside, with ideas and new thoughts, 1441 01:16:30,252 --> 01:16:33,214 and you see this unknown hand just go like this 1442 01:16:33,422 --> 01:16:34,673 and brush you aside. 1443 01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:38,392 Gail: In those days, record companies 1444 01:16:38,511 --> 01:16:41,222 had a lot more control over artists. 1445 01:16:41,764 --> 01:16:44,850 Typically, what a record company would do is like sort of, 1446 01:16:45,059 --> 01:16:46,727 they would get it... They were getting closer 1447 01:16:46,811 --> 01:16:49,355 and closer to 360 deals, which means they own 1448 01:16:49,563 --> 01:16:51,774 all the parts of you around your asshole 1449 01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:54,693 and everything else that goes with. 1450 01:16:55,152 --> 01:16:57,071 So, Frank wanted to do a box set. 1451 01:16:57,279 --> 01:17:00,116 They said, "No, nobody can do box sets. That's insane." 1452 01:17:00,324 --> 01:17:02,409 So then he took the box set apart 1453 01:17:02,576 --> 01:17:04,370 and made four albums out of it. 1454 01:17:04,537 --> 01:17:06,496 He went over to Warner's, and he just handed them over 1455 01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:08,541 and said, "Okay, we're... I'm done. 1456 01:17:08,749 --> 01:17:11,499 That's the end of my contract. Here's your four albums." 1457 01:17:11,585 --> 01:17:16,340 And that changed everything from that point on. 1458 01:17:16,549 --> 01:17:19,218 But more than that, he's the first artist to go 1459 01:17:19,426 --> 01:17:20,803 completely independent. 1460 01:17:21,303 --> 01:17:23,003 You know, we set up our own label. 1461 01:17:23,681 --> 01:17:27,143 Mike: As Frank and Gail get into the Zappa Records phase, 1462 01:17:27,309 --> 01:17:29,770 and you know, one of the first albums that come out, 1463 01:17:29,854 --> 01:17:33,357 Sheik Yerbouti, which is a very successful album. 1464 01:17:33,524 --> 01:17:36,360 And it's got crowd-pleasing, really filthy shit on it. 1465 01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:39,321 But... you get into the subject matter on that record, 1466 01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:42,283 and it's still dark. He's still in that dark place. 1467 01:17:42,533 --> 01:17:44,034 Almost every song on that record 1468 01:17:44,118 --> 01:17:47,246 is just like attacking a specific group of people. 1469 01:18:24,366 --> 01:18:28,829 Man: You always were a renegade against the music business. Why? 1470 01:18:29,038 --> 01:18:30,831 Zappa: Because most of what the music business does 1471 01:18:30,915 --> 01:18:31,957 is not musical. 1472 01:18:32,124 --> 01:18:33,917 Man: How many lawsuits do you have out now, Frank? 1473 01:18:34,001 --> 01:18:35,252 Zappa: Probably about nine. 1474 01:18:35,336 --> 01:18:37,546 Man: Nine lawsuits against some of the most famous 1475 01:18:37,630 --> 01:18:39,298 record companies in Los Angeles. 1476 01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:40,716 Zappa: That's true. 1477 01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:42,509 Man 2: What do you think is the reason 1478 01:18:42,593 --> 01:18:44,393 that Warner Brothers didn't pay you? 1479 01:18:44,678 --> 01:18:46,628 They're a bunch of assholes, of course. 1480 01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:52,394 Steve: Besides the incredible freedom 1481 01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:54,980 of his creative perspectives, 1482 01:18:55,648 --> 01:18:58,817 his business perspectives were very independent. 1483 01:18:59,151 --> 01:19:00,751 I mean, he started his own label 1484 01:19:01,362 --> 01:19:04,740 back in the day when this was relatively new 1485 01:19:04,907 --> 01:19:06,908 and he was sort of at the forefront in a sense, 1486 01:19:06,992 --> 01:19:09,161 and that was very vital to their, you know, 1487 01:19:09,453 --> 01:19:11,038 organization and their income. 1488 01:19:12,498 --> 01:19:16,794 Gail: By 1982, we had started a small mail-order company, 1489 01:19:17,002 --> 01:19:18,420 and we did, like, 1490 01:19:18,587 --> 01:19:20,287 a million dollars' worth of sales. 1491 01:19:20,798 --> 01:19:23,508 For us, that was good business because you only had to sell 1492 01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:25,678 a quarter as many records really to make 1493 01:19:25,886 --> 01:19:27,346 the same amount of profit. 1494 01:19:27,554 --> 01:19:29,306 This is where all the fan mail comes in. 1495 01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:31,266 This is where I read it, and if you don't believe me, 1496 01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:34,000 look around you. There's boxes, and I read everything. 1497 01:19:36,230 --> 01:19:38,148 Gail: In retrospect, people think you're a genius. 1498 01:19:38,232 --> 01:19:40,943 But while it's happening, you're just, 1499 01:19:41,527 --> 01:19:43,028 "Okay, now what?" 1500 01:19:43,487 --> 01:19:46,824 And it's just an... an idea comes to you, 1501 01:19:46,991 --> 01:19:48,492 and then you go for it. 1502 01:19:50,411 --> 01:19:51,328 Good evening. 1503 01:19:51,912 --> 01:19:54,540 I'm here tonight to announce my intention 1504 01:19:54,748 --> 01:19:56,417 to seek the Republican nomination 1505 01:19:56,583 --> 01:19:58,335 for President of the United States. 1506 01:19:58,544 --> 01:20:00,045 Mike: With the onset of Reaganism 1507 01:20:00,129 --> 01:20:02,005 and what was happening in the country at that time, 1508 01:20:02,089 --> 01:20:04,300 in some ways, I think that drew Frank out 1509 01:20:04,466 --> 01:20:06,927 of the more solipsistic darkness 1510 01:20:07,136 --> 01:20:09,388 of what was happening in his career. 1511 01:20:10,055 --> 01:20:12,098 Zappa: This is the dawning of the dark ages again 1512 01:20:12,182 --> 01:20:13,475 as far as I'm concerned. 1513 01:20:13,976 --> 01:20:16,026 Never have the arts been in such bad shape 1514 01:20:16,228 --> 01:20:17,479 in the United States. 1515 01:20:20,024 --> 01:20:25,070 Man: (whispering) This is the Central Scrutinizer. 1516 01:20:25,988 --> 01:20:27,656 As you can see, 1517 01:20:27,865 --> 01:20:32,036 music can get you pretty fucked up. 1518 01:20:33,829 --> 01:20:38,292 Take a tip from Joe, and get a good job. 1519 01:20:42,755 --> 01:20:46,550 Zappa: The business of music is all about this fake list 1520 01:20:46,717 --> 01:20:49,303 of who sold what. 1521 01:20:50,387 --> 01:20:53,932 The whole idea of selling large numbers of items 1522 01:20:54,099 --> 01:20:56,268 in order to determine quality to it 1523 01:20:56,435 --> 01:20:58,520 is what's really repulsive about it. 1524 01:21:00,898 --> 01:21:03,149 Adam Curry: MTV's Top 20 Video Countdown is sponsored 1525 01:21:03,233 --> 01:21:05,694 by Burger King and by Three Musketeers. 1526 01:21:09,323 --> 01:21:10,657 Zappa: The record industry decided 1527 01:21:10,741 --> 01:21:12,576 this is the wave of the future. 1528 01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:16,455 And they started signing only groups who look good. 1529 01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:21,126 And the whole idea was making picture music. 1530 01:21:22,503 --> 01:21:25,714 When the music business was still sort of about 1531 01:21:25,881 --> 01:21:27,466 recording songs, 1532 01:21:27,633 --> 01:21:29,343 you could have a hit record 1533 01:21:29,551 --> 01:21:33,138 if it caught on in one of 10, 000 1534 01:21:33,305 --> 01:21:35,307 different radio stations in America. 1535 01:21:36,225 --> 01:21:40,562 Now, instead of having 10, 000 chances to make a hit, 1536 01:21:41,563 --> 01:21:43,107 you got one. 1537 01:21:43,649 --> 01:21:45,984 Neil Armstrong: That's one small step for man, 1538 01:21:47,569 --> 01:21:50,406 one giant leap for mankind. 1539 01:21:54,618 --> 01:21:57,579 ♪ And may the Lord ♪ 1540 01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:03,419 ♪ Have mercy On the fate of this movie ♪ 1541 01:22:03,627 --> 01:22:06,672 ♪ And God bless the mind ♪ 1542 01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:12,177 ♪ Of the man in the street ♪ 1543 01:22:12,553 --> 01:22:15,722 Steve: Even in the most ugliest chord he ever wrote, 1544 01:22:16,432 --> 01:22:19,226 there's always a ray of hope in there, you know. 1545 01:22:21,186 --> 01:22:24,857 As an entertainer, I'm responsible for delivering 1546 01:22:25,023 --> 01:22:27,734 the best of what I can do to the audience 1547 01:22:27,901 --> 01:22:29,601 that has bought a ticket to see it 1548 01:22:29,736 --> 01:22:31,363 or buys a record to hear it. 1549 01:22:31,572 --> 01:22:32,822 And what about your friends? 1550 01:22:32,906 --> 01:22:34,616 Your neighbors? Your family? 1551 01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:36,534 Zappa: Well, I don't have any friends. 1552 01:22:36,618 --> 01:22:39,079 I have a wonderful wife and four children. 1553 01:22:39,288 --> 01:22:40,830 I like them. They're my friends. 1554 01:22:40,914 --> 01:22:42,123 Sandi: So, your wife is your friend? 1555 01:22:42,207 --> 01:22:43,125 Right. 1556 01:22:43,625 --> 01:22:46,295 When you're not working, do you just sort of 1557 01:22:46,795 --> 01:22:48,713 cut yourself off from the rest of the world 1558 01:22:48,797 --> 01:22:51,008 and you're with your family? 1559 01:22:51,175 --> 01:22:52,926 Zappa: Well, when I'm not touring, I'm at home. 1560 01:22:53,010 --> 01:22:55,553 I have a studio in my house. I do my recording there. 1561 01:22:55,637 --> 01:22:57,837 And when I'm done doing that part of my work, 1562 01:22:57,973 --> 01:22:59,975 I go off on the road and travel around 1563 01:23:00,142 --> 01:23:01,442 and do this kind of stuff. 1564 01:23:04,813 --> 01:23:06,398 They're here. 1565 01:23:06,607 --> 01:23:08,150 ♪ And we need a new burden ♪ 1566 01:23:11,862 --> 01:23:14,239 It's coming at you. 1567 01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:19,953 ("Sofa" by Frank Zappa plays) 1568 01:23:47,564 --> 01:23:50,114 Pamela: The kids didn't get to see that much of him. 1569 01:23:50,901 --> 01:23:52,069 Just the way it goes. 1570 01:23:52,277 --> 01:23:55,447 He was on a mission, and he was going to accomplish 1571 01:23:55,614 --> 01:23:57,074 that mission no matter what. 1572 01:23:58,033 --> 01:23:59,368 Mike: Well, the sweet thing about "Valley Girl" 1573 01:23:59,451 --> 01:24:01,411 is that it was Frank and Moon in the studio. 1574 01:24:01,495 --> 01:24:02,871 Them, you know, connecting. 1575 01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:05,082 Undoubtedly having a good time 1576 01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:08,460 even though it was the result of Moon, you know, 1577 01:24:08,627 --> 01:24:11,212 putting a note under, you know, Frank's studio door, saying, 1578 01:24:11,296 --> 01:24:13,946 "Hi, my name's Moon. I live in the same house as you." 1579 01:24:14,633 --> 01:24:17,010 Uh, j... just in case you're... you're interested, 1580 01:24:17,094 --> 01:24:18,594 "I do this Valley Girl voice." 1581 01:24:22,224 --> 01:24:24,100 Mike Douglas: lt was nearly 15 years ago 1582 01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:26,102 when the Beach Boys brought national attention 1583 01:24:26,186 --> 01:24:27,688 to California girls. 1584 01:24:27,854 --> 01:24:30,065 These days, another kind of California girl 1585 01:24:30,315 --> 01:24:32,317 is being immortalized on record. 1586 01:24:32,693 --> 01:24:34,235 There's a song getting heavy airplay 1587 01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:36,446 on Southern California rock stations 1588 01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:38,073 called "Valley Girl." 1589 01:24:38,448 --> 01:24:41,577 ♪ Valley girl She's a valley girl ♪ 1590 01:24:41,827 --> 01:24:45,372 ♪ Valley girl She's a valley girl ♪ 1591 01:24:45,664 --> 01:24:48,333 ♪ Okay, fine, fer sure Fer sure ♪ 1592 01:24:48,542 --> 01:24:50,961 ♪ She's a valley girl in a clothing store ♪ 1593 01:24:51,169 --> 01:24:53,296 Hi. You're probably wondering what we're doing right now. 1594 01:24:53,380 --> 01:24:55,507 Well, you see, we have this problem. 1595 01:24:55,674 --> 01:24:57,217 We have this record called "Valley Girl," 1596 01:24:57,301 --> 01:24:58,843 and all these assholes keep calling up 1597 01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:00,845 and asking for interviews and photographs. 1598 01:25:00,929 --> 01:25:02,138 So, in the middle of the night, 1599 01:25:02,222 --> 01:25:05,392 we have to sit on the roof and stand out here 1600 01:25:05,559 --> 01:25:07,101 and move around and do dumb things 1601 01:25:07,185 --> 01:25:10,230 so that the world's most famous photographer, 1602 01:25:10,397 --> 01:25:14,026 Norman Seeff, can take pictures of this crap for Life magazine. 1603 01:25:14,192 --> 01:25:15,610 That's what we're doing here. 1604 01:25:15,694 --> 01:25:18,655 ♪ Valley girl She's a valley girl ♪ 1605 01:25:18,822 --> 01:25:20,282 ♪ Okay, fine ♪ 1606 01:25:20,657 --> 01:25:22,825 Zappa: "Valley Girl" was a very unusual accident 1607 01:25:22,909 --> 01:25:24,119 in the US. 1608 01:25:24,494 --> 01:25:27,706 We were a small label distributed through CBS. 1609 01:25:27,956 --> 01:25:29,416 Nobody at CBS had any idea 1610 01:25:29,583 --> 01:25:32,085 that that thing would catch on the way it did. 1611 01:25:32,711 --> 01:25:35,339 The way it happened was my daughter took 1612 01:25:35,505 --> 01:25:38,007 an acetate of "Valley Girl" to a station in Pasadena 1613 01:25:38,091 --> 01:25:40,385 called KROQ, and as soon as they played it, 1614 01:25:40,552 --> 01:25:43,096 the phone started ringing, and it became an instant hit. 1615 01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:44,530 People loved it right away. 1616 01:25:44,765 --> 01:25:46,433 Like, oh, my God. 1617 01:25:47,017 --> 01:25:48,977 Zappa: Meanwhile, I'm in Europe on a tour. 1618 01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:51,355 I don't even know I've got a hit record. 1619 01:25:51,772 --> 01:25:54,941 In 1982, you couldn't walk around in the United States 1620 01:25:55,108 --> 01:25:57,358 without hearing something about "Valley Girl." 1621 01:25:57,653 --> 01:25:59,320 Next on Channel Five, it's awesome 1622 01:25:59,404 --> 01:26:00,488 'cause we're going to, like, 1623 01:26:00,572 --> 01:26:01,739 crank with the whole Zappa family. 1624 01:26:01,823 --> 01:26:03,283 For sure. Totally on evening news... 1625 01:26:03,367 --> 01:26:05,159 Pamela: And that was his first big hit. 1626 01:26:05,243 --> 01:26:06,620 His only big hit. 1627 01:26:08,038 --> 01:26:11,792 But it really came out of Moon 1628 01:26:12,250 --> 01:26:14,086 wanting to spend time with her dad. 1629 01:26:16,838 --> 01:26:18,381 Man: What's happening in the future now? 1630 01:26:18,465 --> 01:26:20,216 Have you... Are you planning a follow-up right away 1631 01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:21,968 to cash in on the, uh, 1632 01:26:22,177 --> 01:26:23,636 the audience's receptivity, or... 1633 01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,346 No. As a matter of fact, the next thing 1634 01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:28,517 that I'm going to do is go out to, um, Cal-Arts tonight 1635 01:26:28,725 --> 01:26:31,144 and hear a couple of piano players give a performance 1636 01:26:31,228 --> 01:26:33,939 of some of my orchestra music. 1637 01:26:40,737 --> 01:26:44,533 Mike: So, there's "Valley Girl." A success, mainstream success. 1638 01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:47,619 But to Frank, it's like, "Okay, what can I do now? 1639 01:26:47,786 --> 01:26:49,203 I've got people's attention." 1640 01:26:49,287 --> 01:26:51,998 One. Two. Three. 1641 01:26:56,712 --> 01:26:58,588 David: From everything I'd heard, 1642 01:26:58,755 --> 01:27:00,966 and heard about Zappa, 1643 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:05,595 it just seemed like he should write for Kronos. 1644 01:27:05,846 --> 01:27:07,931 Yeah. So, if we can play those longer, 1645 01:27:08,098 --> 01:27:09,682 I think that will be more effective. 1646 01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:11,435 David: How I... uh, what length? 1647 01:27:11,601 --> 01:27:13,895 Hank: I have a quarter note tie into... 1648 01:27:14,062 --> 01:27:16,481 - Oh, I see. - It's very strange sheet music. 1649 01:27:16,648 --> 01:27:18,984 David: I think the first time we spoke 1650 01:27:19,151 --> 01:27:20,736 was after a concert. 1651 01:27:21,278 --> 01:27:25,157 I'm thinking '82, '83. 1652 01:27:25,490 --> 01:27:28,368 Shortly after that is when he began to write, 1653 01:27:29,578 --> 01:27:31,496 uh, the new piece for us. 1654 01:28:04,154 --> 01:28:08,450 I always appreciated the fact that he taught himself. 1655 01:28:09,326 --> 01:28:10,952 He went to the library as a kid, 1656 01:28:11,119 --> 01:28:14,122 and he just checked out books and stayed there and learned. 1657 01:28:14,289 --> 01:28:16,875 For me, that's been a big inspiration. 1658 01:28:17,793 --> 01:28:19,628 When I think of Zappa's life's work, 1659 01:28:20,003 --> 01:28:22,964 I'm reminded of Charles Ives, 1660 01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:25,550 Harry Partch, Sun Ra. 1661 01:28:26,092 --> 01:28:28,887 These are American experimentalists 1662 01:28:29,054 --> 01:28:32,057 that totally reimagined the way music 1663 01:28:32,224 --> 01:28:34,893 might be heard, might be composed. 1664 01:28:36,228 --> 01:28:38,897 And Zappa belongs in that tradition. 1665 01:29:37,581 --> 01:29:38,998 Zappa: I still write orchestra music. 1666 01:29:39,082 --> 01:29:41,082 But, you know, nobody will ever hear it. 1667 01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,044 Interviewer: You sure? 1668 01:29:43,128 --> 01:29:45,171 Well, I don't wanna say never, 1669 01:29:45,338 --> 01:29:47,588 but, uh, the chances of the music being played 1670 01:29:47,716 --> 01:29:50,969 are not very good because every time we start negotiating 1671 01:29:51,136 --> 01:29:53,054 with somebody about having a performance of it, 1672 01:29:53,138 --> 01:29:55,389 all these problems arise, and it always comes down 1673 01:29:55,473 --> 01:29:58,017 to how much money they're willing to spend to do it. 1674 01:29:58,101 --> 01:30:00,895 Because it... we've had some offers from orchestras who say, 1675 01:30:00,979 --> 01:30:02,313 "Yeah, we'd love to play it, 1676 01:30:02,397 --> 01:30:03,898 but we'll give you two rehearsals." 1677 01:30:03,982 --> 01:30:05,900 And it's impossible to play it in two rehearsals. 1678 01:30:05,984 --> 01:30:07,152 You just can't do it. 1679 01:30:07,319 --> 01:30:08,945 And I would rather not have it played 1680 01:30:09,029 --> 01:30:11,364 than to have somebody play it wrong. 1681 01:30:11,573 --> 01:30:13,783 Reporter: Tomorrow night, the London Symphony Orchestra 1682 01:30:13,867 --> 01:30:16,717 are giving a concert at their home at the Barbican Centre. 1683 01:30:17,078 --> 01:30:19,121 The program of orchestral music they'll be playing 1684 01:30:19,205 --> 01:30:21,166 is music written by the celebrated 1685 01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:23,084 American rock star Frank Zappa. 1686 01:30:23,543 --> 01:30:25,878 Robin Denselow has been looking at the least known 1687 01:30:25,962 --> 01:30:28,632 and the least commercial side of Zappa's art. 1688 01:30:29,174 --> 01:30:31,676 Robin: Frank Zappa has been quietly writing pieces 1689 01:30:31,843 --> 01:30:35,263 for a full orchestra alongside his rock work for years. 1690 01:30:35,513 --> 01:30:37,163 For their first ever performance, 1691 01:30:37,265 --> 01:30:39,351 he's using the London Symphony Orchestra. 1692 01:30:39,517 --> 01:30:43,021 The conductor, Kent Nagano, was chosen by Zappa. 1693 01:30:43,188 --> 01:30:45,690 Interviewer: Do you expect to actually make any money 1694 01:30:45,774 --> 01:30:47,608 out of the concert and the recordings 1695 01:30:47,692 --> 01:30:48,985 that you've come here to make 1696 01:30:49,069 --> 01:30:50,487 - with the ISO? - No. No. 1697 01:30:50,654 --> 01:30:52,029 Interviewer: Why then do you do it? 1698 01:30:52,113 --> 01:30:55,408 Well, I think that any artistic decision that is based on 1699 01:30:55,575 --> 01:30:57,743 whether or not you're going to make money is not really 1700 01:30:57,827 --> 01:31:00,956 an artistic decision. It's a business decision. 1701 01:31:01,539 --> 01:31:03,708 And there are a lot of things that I can do 1702 01:31:03,875 --> 01:31:05,126 to earn a living 1703 01:31:05,293 --> 01:31:07,044 and a lot of things that I have already done 1704 01:31:07,128 --> 01:31:09,338 to earn a living, which have produced the amount 1705 01:31:09,422 --> 01:31:11,883 of, uh, capital needed to do this project. 1706 01:31:12,050 --> 01:31:15,303 I came here to spend money on an English orchestra 1707 01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:18,014 to record my music so I can take it home 1708 01:31:18,181 --> 01:31:19,766 and I can listen to it. 1709 01:31:19,933 --> 01:31:22,852 And if somebody else likes that kind of stuff, 1710 01:31:23,019 --> 01:31:24,812 I will make it available on a record 1711 01:31:24,896 --> 01:31:26,439 so that they can hear it. 1712 01:31:26,606 --> 01:31:29,506 That is my part of the public service of spending the money 1713 01:31:29,609 --> 01:31:31,319 to make this event happen. 1714 01:31:31,486 --> 01:31:33,113 No foundation grant, 1715 01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:34,948 no government assistance, 1716 01:31:35,115 --> 01:31:36,533 no corporation, 1717 01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:37,867 no committee. 1718 01:31:38,034 --> 01:31:41,121 Just a crazy guy who spent the money 1719 01:31:41,287 --> 01:31:45,291 to hire English musicians to do a concert at the Barbican 1720 01:31:45,458 --> 01:31:48,712 and make an album for Barking Pumpkin Records. 1721 01:31:49,087 --> 01:31:52,215 How do you get the London Symphony Orchestra 1722 01:31:52,382 --> 01:31:53,299 to do your stuff? 1723 01:31:53,466 --> 01:31:55,719 - You pay them. - Yeah. 1724 01:31:56,052 --> 01:31:58,513 But isn't this a really prestigious organization? 1725 01:31:58,680 --> 01:31:59,681 Of course. 1726 01:31:59,889 --> 01:32:01,349 So, you pay them a lot of money. 1727 01:32:01,433 --> 01:32:02,892 - Yeah. - (laughter) 1728 01:32:03,059 --> 01:32:06,354 It's just as serious to write a song like "Valley Girl" 1729 01:32:07,105 --> 01:32:10,358 as it is to write the ballet called Mo 'N Herb's Vacation. 1730 01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:13,570 To me, they're equally serious problems in music. 1731 01:32:15,864 --> 01:32:18,214 Unless they have sufficient time to rehearse it, 1732 01:32:18,324 --> 01:32:20,326 the chances of an absolutely perfect performance 1733 01:32:20,410 --> 01:32:21,411 are not good. 1734 01:32:21,578 --> 01:32:23,204 David Letterman: Now, uh, how close did you get? 1735 01:32:23,288 --> 01:32:26,458 Zappa: I would say that we're up to about 75% on this record. 1736 01:32:26,624 --> 01:32:29,794 Conductor: So, you could you take a look, please, at 159? 1737 01:32:31,504 --> 01:32:34,924 Robot: The inhabitants here do not have the intelligence 1738 01:32:35,091 --> 01:32:37,177 to be utilized anymore. 1739 01:32:37,761 --> 01:32:39,763 So, man built me. 1740 01:32:40,847 --> 01:32:42,682 Zappa: Human beings are expensive. 1741 01:32:43,308 --> 01:32:46,686 If given the choice between not making music at all 1742 01:32:46,853 --> 01:32:49,689 or making music in a medium that a person can afford, 1743 01:32:49,856 --> 01:32:52,400 I will make music in a medium I can afford. 1744 01:32:53,068 --> 01:32:55,070 Ergo, the machine. 1745 01:32:57,197 --> 01:33:00,283 I had bought the Synclavier and started doing 1746 01:33:00,450 --> 01:33:02,535 all the composition in that medium 1747 01:33:02,702 --> 01:33:04,752 because you can write it the way you want, 1748 01:33:04,913 --> 01:33:06,748 and you get to conduct it also. 1749 01:33:06,915 --> 01:33:10,126 Even have it executed at any speed or any amplitude. 1750 01:33:10,293 --> 01:33:13,004 You can control all the nuances of the performance. 1751 01:33:13,797 --> 01:33:15,423 I would rather do it myself 1752 01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:17,801 than give it to somebody else to do. 1753 01:33:18,093 --> 01:33:22,180 (electronic music playing) 1754 01:33:33,399 --> 01:33:34,692 Man: Okay, Ahmet. 1755 01:33:35,819 --> 01:33:38,988 Stop the game, and I want to... And have him get some 1756 01:33:39,155 --> 01:33:40,655 pictures of you with the clay. 1757 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:43,451 I don't have any clay. Thanks. 1758 01:33:43,618 --> 01:33:45,536 Man: There's 1,000 pounds of it around here some place. 1759 01:33:45,620 --> 01:33:47,705 Woman: There's 1,000 pounds right behind you, Ahmet. 1760 01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:49,082 Don't lie. 1761 01:33:51,876 --> 01:33:54,546 (laughter) 1762 01:33:58,049 --> 01:33:59,341 What do you want me to build? 1763 01:33:59,425 --> 01:34:00,625 Man: Whatever you want. 1764 01:34:19,195 --> 01:34:21,823 Zappa: It's not easy to keep converting capital 1765 01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:24,784 from doing other things and to reinvesting in it 1766 01:34:24,951 --> 01:34:26,911 to doing that kind of stuff because there's no way 1767 01:34:26,995 --> 01:34:28,788 that the music that I'm working on 1768 01:34:28,955 --> 01:34:30,748 is gonna pay its own way. 1769 01:34:33,501 --> 01:34:35,711 But I would rather do it this way than to rely on 1770 01:34:35,795 --> 01:34:39,215 a government or to rely on, uh, you know, 1771 01:34:39,382 --> 01:34:41,482 a king or a duke or somebody who, you know, 1772 01:34:41,634 --> 01:34:43,803 wants to take drastic action if he doesn't approve 1773 01:34:43,887 --> 01:34:45,138 of your work of art. 1774 01:34:45,471 --> 01:34:46,848 You know, forget that. 1775 01:34:47,891 --> 01:34:50,768 Do you still think that music students in universities 1776 01:34:50,935 --> 01:34:53,385 are studying a dead language in a dead institution 1777 01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,274 by dead professors, and would you explain why? 1778 01:34:56,441 --> 01:34:57,650 (laughter) 1779 01:34:57,817 --> 01:34:59,360 Well, yes. 1780 01:34:59,527 --> 01:35:02,030 (laughter) 1781 01:35:02,363 --> 01:35:05,533 Because a lot of times, uh, composers will come to me, 1782 01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:07,744 and they'll say, "Well, what do I do?" 1783 01:35:07,911 --> 01:35:09,703 And I tell them, "Get a real estate license 1784 01:35:09,787 --> 01:35:12,790 because if you expect to write music in the United States, 1785 01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:14,834 what are you gonna do for a living?" 1786 01:35:15,376 --> 01:35:17,826 If you want to be a composer in the United States, 1787 01:35:17,962 --> 01:35:20,089 you must write for the media. 1788 01:35:20,256 --> 01:35:22,258 You can't just write music because you're writing music. 1789 01:35:22,342 --> 01:35:24,392 You have to have some other kind of a job 1790 01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:25,762 to support your habit. 1791 01:35:25,929 --> 01:35:29,557 And, uh, it's a sad story, but it's true. 1792 01:35:30,058 --> 01:35:32,685 (applause) 1793 01:35:35,188 --> 01:35:37,732 ♪ Your mouth ♪ 1794 01:35:37,899 --> 01:35:40,401 ♪ ls your religion ♪ 1795 01:35:41,986 --> 01:35:46,616 ♪ 'Cause what they do in Washington ♪ 1796 01:35:46,991 --> 01:35:49,535 ♪ They just takes care ♪ 1797 01:35:50,036 --> 01:35:52,747 ♪ Of number one ♪ 1798 01:35:53,081 --> 01:35:57,252 ♪ And number one ain't you ♪ 1799 01:35:59,587 --> 01:36:02,257 ♪ You ain't even ♪ 1800 01:36:02,423 --> 01:36:04,550 ♪ Number two ♪ 1801 01:36:14,519 --> 01:36:17,188 Man: This is ABC News Nightline. 1802 01:36:17,563 --> 01:36:20,316 Reporting from Washington, Ted Koppel. 1803 01:36:20,483 --> 01:36:22,193 A lot of people, and they are becoming 1804 01:36:22,277 --> 01:36:23,569 increasingly vocal, 1805 01:36:23,736 --> 01:36:26,155 find the songs and the rock video performances 1806 01:36:26,322 --> 01:36:28,074 that go with them offensive. 1807 01:36:28,241 --> 01:36:30,451 Reporter: One group of parents has heard more than enough. 1808 01:36:30,535 --> 01:36:32,119 The Parents Music Resource Center 1809 01:36:32,203 --> 01:36:34,413 wants a labelling system for albums and tapes, 1810 01:36:34,497 --> 01:36:36,332 much like movies are rated today. 1811 01:36:36,499 --> 01:36:38,167 Later this month, a Senate committee 1812 01:36:38,251 --> 01:36:39,543 will hold hearings on the question. 1813 01:36:39,627 --> 01:36:41,477 A tribute to the clout of the center, 1814 01:36:41,629 --> 01:36:43,423 whose members include Susan Baker, 1815 01:36:43,589 --> 01:36:45,539 wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker. 1816 01:36:45,675 --> 01:36:47,635 Susan: "Guess you could say she was a sex fiend. 1817 01:36:47,719 --> 01:36:50,596 I met her in a hotel lobby, masturbating with a magazine." 1818 01:36:50,930 --> 01:36:52,765 Reporter: Frank Zappa is one of the few rock artists 1819 01:36:52,849 --> 01:36:55,017 to come out openly against the labeling effort. 1820 01:36:55,101 --> 01:36:56,978 I mean, if it looks like censorship 1821 01:36:57,145 --> 01:36:59,230 and it smells like censorship, it is censorship 1822 01:36:59,314 --> 01:37:01,148 no matter whose wife is talking about it. 1823 01:37:01,232 --> 01:37:02,233 It's censorship. 1824 01:37:02,442 --> 01:37:03,734 Ted: The analogy you draw is a... 1825 01:37:03,818 --> 01:37:07,113 Mike: Frank was being called upon by Ted Koppel and CNN 1826 01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,614 and Larry King 1827 01:37:08,781 --> 01:37:10,581 and a lot of mainstream news outlets 1828 01:37:10,742 --> 01:37:12,618 to come on and talk about this stuff. 1829 01:37:13,077 --> 01:37:15,577 Well, he had cleaned up his act sartorially so much 1830 01:37:15,705 --> 01:37:18,583 that he was no longer visually the freak from the '60s. 1831 01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:21,627 "He was somebody that understood that "If I'm gonna do battle 1832 01:37:21,711 --> 01:37:23,462 with these people, I need to like, uh, 1833 01:37:23,546 --> 01:37:25,006 "come to them on their turf." 1834 01:37:25,173 --> 01:37:26,507 And they're taking a right away from him. 1835 01:37:26,591 --> 01:37:30,053 Gail: Frank became the go-to person for comments 1836 01:37:30,219 --> 01:37:32,429 to deal with record rating because nobody else 1837 01:37:32,513 --> 01:37:34,265 in the record industry showed up. 1838 01:37:34,766 --> 01:37:36,642 I think that they're probably concerned about airplay, 1839 01:37:36,726 --> 01:37:38,519 and they're probably concerned about their careers, 1840 01:37:38,603 --> 01:37:40,604 and they're probably concerned about, uh, you know, 1841 01:37:40,688 --> 01:37:42,189 taking a chance and opening their mouth. 1842 01:37:42,273 --> 01:37:43,983 But I don't speak for them. 1843 01:37:44,150 --> 01:37:46,110 I don't speak for the rest of the record industry. 1844 01:37:46,194 --> 01:37:48,404 I speak as a private citizen, 1845 01:37:48,571 --> 01:37:52,450 as a middle-aged Italian father of four. 1846 01:37:52,617 --> 01:37:55,370 I got concerns here about what's gonna happen 1847 01:37:55,536 --> 01:37:58,498 to the right to have free speech and right to assemble 1848 01:37:58,664 --> 01:38:00,833 and the right to have somebody use your own words 1849 01:38:00,917 --> 01:38:03,336 against you in a legal situation. 1850 01:38:03,711 --> 01:38:05,861 And nobody is sticking their neck out to say 1851 01:38:06,005 --> 01:38:07,590 that it's all a bunch of crap. 1852 01:38:09,133 --> 01:38:11,552 Mr. Zappa, thank you very much for being with us. 1853 01:38:11,928 --> 01:38:13,137 Please proceed. 1854 01:38:13,971 --> 01:38:17,558 I've got an idea for a way to stop all this stuff 1855 01:38:17,725 --> 01:38:20,978 and a way to give parents what they really want, 1856 01:38:21,145 --> 01:38:23,606 which is information, accurate information, 1857 01:38:23,773 --> 01:38:25,817 as to what is inside the album. 1858 01:38:26,484 --> 01:38:30,113 I have no objection to having all of the lyrics 1859 01:38:30,780 --> 01:38:35,034 placed on the album routinely all the time. 1860 01:38:35,618 --> 01:38:38,204 I think your suggestion is, uh, is an intriguing one 1861 01:38:38,371 --> 01:38:39,921 and might really be a solution. 1862 01:38:40,123 --> 01:38:42,083 I think your suggestion is a good one 1863 01:38:42,250 --> 01:38:43,709 that they print those words. 1864 01:38:44,127 --> 01:38:45,461 That would go a long way 1865 01:38:45,628 --> 01:38:47,422 to satisfying everyone's objection. 1866 01:38:47,588 --> 01:38:49,588 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Hawkins. 1867 01:38:50,383 --> 01:38:52,051 Mike: Frank would say it was a failure 1868 01:38:52,135 --> 01:38:54,136 because it still ended up with the Parental Advisory sticker 1869 01:38:54,220 --> 01:38:55,346 on the thing. 1870 01:38:55,513 --> 01:38:57,682 But I think he made a difference there. 1871 01:38:57,932 --> 01:39:00,309 There were times that I wished that he could 1872 01:39:00,476 --> 01:39:02,311 modulate his approach a little bit 1873 01:39:02,478 --> 01:39:04,021 with a little bit less anger. 1874 01:39:04,188 --> 01:39:05,982 Sex equals sin. 1875 01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:09,152 Mike: But that anger resulted in some wonderful moments 1876 01:39:09,318 --> 01:39:11,320 like the Crossfire with James Lofton. 1877 01:39:11,487 --> 01:39:13,072 James: Do you think the founding fathers 1878 01:39:13,156 --> 01:39:15,324 really had the First Amendment, that they gave us 1879 01:39:15,408 --> 01:39:18,286 the First Amendment to defend songs that glorify Satanism 1880 01:39:18,453 --> 01:39:20,204 and incest and suicide? Do you really believe that? 1881 01:39:20,288 --> 01:39:21,622 - Absolutely. - You really believe that? 1882 01:39:21,706 --> 01:39:23,248 - Yeah, I believe it. - James: You're an idiot then. 1883 01:39:23,332 --> 01:39:24,375 - Yeah? - James: You're an idiot. 1884 01:39:24,459 --> 01:39:25,710 Well, I'll tell you what. Kiss my... (bleep) 1885 01:39:25,793 --> 01:39:26,835 How do you like that, buddy? 1886 01:39:26,919 --> 01:39:28,087 James: Well, take your teeth out. 1887 01:39:28,171 --> 01:39:31,132 I was surprised to see you heading the protest. 1888 01:39:31,549 --> 01:39:33,259 Why wasn't someone like Prince 1889 01:39:33,426 --> 01:39:35,052 involved with you in that? I mean... 1890 01:39:35,136 --> 01:39:36,762 He should have been involved in it, 1891 01:39:36,846 --> 01:39:39,306 but I think that it's his right to keep his mouth shut. 1892 01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:41,140 It's also Bruce Springsteen's right 1893 01:39:41,267 --> 01:39:43,519 to keep his mouth shut and anybody else 1894 01:39:43,686 --> 01:39:45,646 that they went after. They never attacked my lyrics. 1895 01:39:45,730 --> 01:39:47,022 They attacked those people. 1896 01:39:47,106 --> 01:39:48,440 They even went after Michael Jackson. 1897 01:39:48,524 --> 01:39:50,109 But you fought real hard for these people, 1898 01:39:50,193 --> 01:39:51,527 and it was never your music involved. 1899 01:39:51,611 --> 01:39:52,778 That's the thing that shocked me. 1900 01:39:52,862 --> 01:39:54,071 It's the principle of the thing. 1901 01:39:54,155 --> 01:39:56,198 We live in a country where we're supposed to be free. 1902 01:39:56,282 --> 01:39:57,866 Take a look at what happened in China. 1903 01:39:57,950 --> 01:39:59,743 You got a bunch of kids there who want democracy. 1904 01:39:59,827 --> 01:40:01,203 They don't even know what it is. 1905 01:40:01,287 --> 01:40:03,498 We supposedly have it here, what do we do? 1906 01:40:04,165 --> 01:40:06,334 Sit around and go, hmm, hmm. 1907 01:40:06,501 --> 01:40:08,669 "Let somebody else take care of it for me." 1908 01:40:25,853 --> 01:40:29,065 (cheers and applause) 1909 01:40:29,232 --> 01:40:30,782 Scott: From the very beginning, 1910 01:40:31,108 --> 01:40:33,277 there wasn't literally anything like it. 1911 01:40:33,819 --> 01:40:37,323 As musicians, that was the way that we spoke to each other. 1912 01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:40,326 Like, instead of quoting movies, we quoted Zappa. 1913 01:40:40,493 --> 01:40:41,744 ♪ It's about truth ♪ 1914 01:40:41,911 --> 01:40:43,037 ♪ Truth ♪ 1915 01:40:43,204 --> 01:40:45,414 Scott: And it wasn't until I started playing with him 1916 01:40:45,498 --> 01:40:49,877 that I realized that he was fucking with America 1917 01:40:50,044 --> 01:40:51,795 as much as he was fucking around with music. 1918 01:40:51,879 --> 01:40:54,840 Like, America was just another canvas 1919 01:40:55,007 --> 01:40:56,307 for him to do his shit on. 1920 01:40:56,467 --> 01:40:59,428 This is working here. Hello, which one's working? 1921 01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:00,680 None. 1922 01:41:05,726 --> 01:41:07,103 This is censorship. 1923 01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:09,814 (laughter) 1924 01:41:09,981 --> 01:41:12,525 Scott: How did he see himself in a world 1925 01:41:12,692 --> 01:41:14,735 that was literally going mad? 1926 01:41:15,069 --> 01:41:16,696 He saw the big picture. 1927 01:41:17,321 --> 01:41:20,074 I cannot imagine in any way 1928 01:41:20,241 --> 01:41:22,952 it could keep a man like him down. 1929 01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:25,871 If anything, he would battle up 1930 01:41:26,038 --> 01:41:29,625 until the last drop of his blood was shed. 1931 01:41:30,001 --> 01:41:32,044 Overrun by orcs, he doesn't give a shit. 1932 01:41:33,087 --> 01:41:36,090 You cannot live your life as if you are 1933 01:41:36,257 --> 01:41:39,385 about to not be able to do your life anymore. 1934 01:41:39,635 --> 01:41:40,511 You know? 1935 01:41:40,761 --> 01:41:43,806 Protesters: (chanting) 1936 01:41:46,767 --> 01:41:48,602 Man: Czechoslovakia today became the latest 1937 01:41:48,686 --> 01:41:50,729 of the countries of Eastern Europe once held 1938 01:41:50,813 --> 01:41:53,149 so tightly in the Soviet grip to throw off 1939 01:41:53,316 --> 01:41:55,234 its hardline Communist yoke. 1940 01:41:55,401 --> 01:41:58,988 (chanting) 1941 01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:02,491 Zappa: I guess it was about a year before 1942 01:42:02,575 --> 01:42:04,952 the Velvet Revolution, when I was visited here 1943 01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,121 by a Czech composer. 1944 01:42:07,663 --> 01:42:09,290 And through the interpreter, 1945 01:42:09,457 --> 01:42:13,544 he indicated that he wanted to play some of my music 1946 01:42:13,711 --> 01:42:16,589 and wanted me to come to Prague for the concert, 1947 01:42:16,756 --> 01:42:19,300 and I thought, well, the chances of me doing that 1948 01:42:19,467 --> 01:42:22,637 were pretty unlikely because Czechoslovakia was pretty grim. 1949 01:42:22,928 --> 01:42:25,478 And the next thing I knew, they had this revolution, 1950 01:42:25,973 --> 01:42:28,225 and this composer was a member of parliament. 1951 01:42:29,268 --> 01:42:31,896 And I'd already made four trips to the Soviet Union 1952 01:42:32,063 --> 01:42:34,523 and had been trying to develop some East-West 1953 01:42:34,732 --> 01:42:35,858 international trade. 1954 01:42:36,025 --> 01:42:37,568 Boy, is it cold here. 1955 01:42:37,735 --> 01:42:41,614 And I arranged to come to Prague on my way 1956 01:42:42,156 --> 01:42:44,533 back to the United States from Moscow. 1957 01:42:44,784 --> 01:42:47,119 And it was during my Prague visit, 1958 01:42:47,286 --> 01:42:49,186 I proposed to them that if they needed 1959 01:42:49,330 --> 01:42:51,280 some sort of representation in the West 1960 01:42:51,415 --> 01:42:55,920 to help them get investment or whatever they needed to do, 1961 01:42:56,087 --> 01:42:58,255 that I would be interested in doing that. 1962 01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:03,135 So, when I got off the plane, there was 5, 000 people 1963 01:43:03,219 --> 01:43:05,304 waving at me. And, uh, you know, 1964 01:43:05,471 --> 01:43:08,121 never before in my life had I seen anything like that. 1965 01:43:08,224 --> 01:43:10,726 (chuckles) Get off the plane, 1966 01:43:10,893 --> 01:43:12,311 and, you know, there's a lot of people, 1967 01:43:12,395 --> 01:43:14,646 but there's no police, and there's no bodyguards. 1968 01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:16,732 There's no nothing. Just people waving at you. 1969 01:43:16,816 --> 01:43:19,568 That's nice until you go through the airport 1970 01:43:19,819 --> 01:43:21,320 and they start piling on you. 1971 01:43:21,696 --> 01:43:24,281 And to get from the door of the airport to the minibus 1972 01:43:24,365 --> 01:43:26,325 that was going to take us to the hotel 1973 01:43:26,492 --> 01:43:28,285 took about 40 minutes. 1974 01:43:30,329 --> 01:43:32,664 Gary: When Frank was there, it was like, Frank was 1975 01:43:32,748 --> 01:43:34,124 the President of the United States 1976 01:43:34,208 --> 01:43:35,334 coming to visit. 1977 01:43:36,961 --> 01:43:39,338 And Frank was trying to figure out 1978 01:43:39,505 --> 01:43:41,882 why was everyone there so happy to see him? 1979 01:43:43,008 --> 01:43:46,929 And evidently, in Czechoslovakia, 1980 01:43:47,096 --> 01:43:49,765 when young kids played rock music, 1981 01:43:49,932 --> 01:43:51,183 the police would tell them, 1982 01:43:51,267 --> 01:43:52,977 "Turn off that Frank Zappa music." 1983 01:43:54,562 --> 01:43:56,562 And all of a sudden, here's Frank Zappa. 1984 01:43:58,274 --> 01:44:01,110 He was symbol of this freedom, 1985 01:44:02,445 --> 01:44:04,595 which is incredible when you think about it. 1986 01:44:05,072 --> 01:44:06,657 He had that kind of effect. 1987 01:44:08,617 --> 01:44:11,579 David: It was like the king of freedom had showed up. 1988 01:44:11,787 --> 01:44:14,123 I mean, Frank was shocked. 1989 01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,835 (cheering) 1990 01:44:19,712 --> 01:44:21,714 ♪ Freedom, freedom ♪ 1991 01:44:21,881 --> 01:44:23,466 ♪ Kindly, loving ♪ 1992 01:44:23,674 --> 01:44:25,175 Kathleen: Rock musician Frank Zappa, 1993 01:44:25,259 --> 01:44:26,802 who's always been something of a maverick, 1994 01:44:26,886 --> 01:44:29,012 has just returned from a trip to the Soviet U nion 1995 01:44:29,096 --> 01:44:31,807 and Czechoslovakia. And in Prague, 1996 01:44:31,974 --> 01:44:33,476 he met with Václav Havel, 1997 01:44:33,642 --> 01:44:35,686 now the President of Czechoslovakia. 1998 01:44:35,853 --> 01:44:37,688 He also visited the Czech parliament 1999 01:44:37,855 --> 01:44:40,316 and was named the Czech Cultural 2000 01:44:40,483 --> 01:44:42,733 and Trade Representative to the United States. 2001 01:44:42,985 --> 01:44:44,319 And Frank Zappa joins us this morning. 2002 01:44:44,403 --> 01:44:45,779 - Good morning. - Good morning. 2003 01:44:45,863 --> 01:44:47,656 Twenty years ago, did you think that 2004 01:44:47,740 --> 01:44:49,617 - this would be your occupation? - No. 2005 01:44:49,784 --> 01:44:51,660 What are the job specifications? 2006 01:44:51,827 --> 01:44:54,497 I'm supposed to represent them for trade, 2007 01:44:54,663 --> 01:44:58,125 for tourism, and for cultural matters. 2008 01:44:58,918 --> 01:44:59,919 Only rock business? 2009 01:45:00,085 --> 01:45:02,838 Zappa: No, no, it's got nothing to do with rock and roll. 2010 01:45:02,922 --> 01:45:04,464 Kathleen: So, is this Frank Zappa the businessman 2011 01:45:04,548 --> 01:45:06,675 who's coming to the fore and not the rocker? 2012 01:45:06,759 --> 01:45:08,427 Well, let's say that Frank Zappa the rocker 2013 01:45:08,511 --> 01:45:11,889 has been pretty much excluded from US broadcasting. 2014 01:45:12,056 --> 01:45:14,850 So, Frank Zappa the rocker will now do something else. 2015 01:45:15,893 --> 01:45:18,813 David: It turns out that, uh, when he had testified 2016 01:45:19,021 --> 01:45:20,397 before Congress, uh, 2017 01:45:20,564 --> 01:45:22,816 our fine Secretary of State at the time, James Baker, 2018 01:45:22,900 --> 01:45:24,985 his wife had been involved in the, uh, 2019 01:45:25,152 --> 01:45:28,489 little Washington clubs going to save the world. 2020 01:45:28,781 --> 01:45:31,534 And James Baker went to Czechoslovakia, 2021 01:45:31,700 --> 01:45:33,452 and he had told the Czech government 2022 01:45:33,536 --> 01:45:34,995 that if they wanted anything to do 2023 01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:36,580 with the United States government anymore, 2024 01:45:36,664 --> 01:45:38,791 if they wanted aid or help or anything 2025 01:45:39,416 --> 01:45:41,376 that they would have to get rid of this association 2026 01:45:41,460 --> 01:45:42,711 with Frank Zappa. 2027 01:45:43,420 --> 01:45:47,424 (applause) 2028 01:45:47,591 --> 01:45:51,262 Woman: Our primary purpose is to educate and inform parents 2029 01:45:51,428 --> 01:45:53,138 about this alarming trend, as well as 2030 01:45:53,222 --> 01:45:56,100 to ask the industry to exercise self-restraint. 2031 01:45:56,433 --> 01:45:59,019 Some say there's no cause for concern. 2032 01:45:59,186 --> 01:46:00,729 We believe there is. 2033 01:46:04,191 --> 01:46:05,192 Thank you. 2034 01:46:05,359 --> 01:46:06,985 Mike: When we were on the road in '88, 2035 01:46:07,069 --> 01:46:08,654 he was already feeling poorly. 2036 01:46:08,821 --> 01:46:11,948 But, you know, he had been told it was various other conditions, 2037 01:46:12,032 --> 01:46:13,868 various and he was... he was trying 2038 01:46:14,034 --> 01:46:15,577 different ways to deal with it. 2039 01:46:15,661 --> 01:46:18,111 But, you know, he was getting sicker all the time. 2040 01:46:18,539 --> 01:46:21,709 He retired from the concert stage 2041 01:46:22,042 --> 01:46:25,129 at the same time that his illness was coming on. 2042 01:46:27,006 --> 01:46:28,799 We sat in the... in the control room, 2043 01:46:28,883 --> 01:46:29,967 and he... 2044 01:46:31,385 --> 01:46:32,261 he said, uh, 2045 01:46:32,428 --> 01:46:34,095 "Well, like, you know, I've got some news for you ." 2046 01:46:34,179 --> 01:46:35,555 And I said, "What?" And he said, 2047 01:46:35,639 --> 01:46:37,599 "I've just been diagnosed with prostate cancer." 2048 01:46:37,683 --> 01:46:39,852 And he sat back and took a huge drag off 2049 01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:42,396 his cigarette and looked resolute 2050 01:46:42,563 --> 01:46:45,190 and, you know, and somewhat, you know, 2051 01:46:45,357 --> 01:46:48,319 like, you know, "Fuck that." You know, like it's, 2052 01:46:48,485 --> 01:46:49,945 uh, you know, "I've just been diagnosed" 2053 01:46:50,029 --> 01:46:51,780 with prostate cancer." He knew the... 2054 01:46:51,864 --> 01:46:53,990 What the effect of those words were going to be, 2055 01:46:54,074 --> 01:46:56,744 but he also gave off this attitude of... 2056 01:46:56,911 --> 01:46:59,561 "It's not gonna stop me from doing what I have to do." 2057 01:47:17,306 --> 01:47:20,309 Zappa: And politically, I am in the process of, uh, 2058 01:47:20,476 --> 01:47:24,563 doing what we call a feasibility study to see, 2059 01:47:25,105 --> 01:47:27,455 uh, if it's possible for me to run for President 2060 01:47:27,566 --> 01:47:29,818 of the United States against George Bush. 2061 01:47:31,654 --> 01:47:33,781 Interviewer: That's quite a comment. 2062 01:47:34,823 --> 01:47:36,123 You feel there's a chance? 2063 01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:39,244 Uh, yes. Not a good one 2064 01:47:39,411 --> 01:47:41,663 because, you know, he has more balloons than I do. 2065 01:47:41,747 --> 01:47:43,623 Interviewer: (laughs) Makes a lot of sense. 2066 01:47:43,707 --> 01:47:46,752 The next time I interview you, I may be calling you 2067 01:47:46,919 --> 01:47:49,463 Mr. President instead of Mr. Zappa. 2068 01:47:51,256 --> 01:47:52,424 Maybe. 2069 01:47:54,677 --> 01:47:56,327 Moon: Do any of these things work? 2070 01:47:58,138 --> 01:47:59,139 (sighs) 2071 01:48:00,766 --> 01:48:02,392 Uh, we're here to make a statement 2072 01:48:02,476 --> 01:48:03,978 on behalf of our family. 2073 01:48:05,229 --> 01:48:07,731 Although Frank was looking forward to being here 2074 01:48:07,898 --> 01:48:09,858 and really intended to be here, 2075 01:48:10,109 --> 01:48:12,486 unfortunately, he's not here. 2076 01:48:13,404 --> 01:48:15,781 As many of you know, he's been diagnosed 2077 01:48:15,948 --> 01:48:18,200 by journalists as having cancer. 2078 01:48:19,201 --> 01:48:22,121 We'd like you to know his doctors have diagnosed 2079 01:48:22,287 --> 01:48:26,458 prostate cancer, which he's been fighting successfully, 2080 01:48:27,084 --> 01:48:30,421 and he has been feeling well and working too hard 2081 01:48:30,587 --> 01:48:32,089 and planned to attend... 2082 01:48:34,383 --> 01:48:36,051 Jamie: You're a legendary workaholic. 2083 01:48:36,135 --> 01:48:37,594 - Are you able to work? - Not anymore. 2084 01:48:37,678 --> 01:48:39,888 Jamie: Not anymore. Tell me. 2085 01:48:40,305 --> 01:48:43,767 Uh, basically on a good day, I can go 9:30 to 6:30. 2086 01:48:45,102 --> 01:48:46,519 Jamie: It's really slowed you down. 2087 01:48:46,603 --> 01:48:49,565 - Yeah. - Has being sick affected 2088 01:48:49,732 --> 01:48:51,858 your music, what kind of music you're writing? 2089 01:48:51,942 --> 01:48:52,943 No. 2090 01:48:54,111 --> 01:48:57,614 Can you tell me a little bit about how you've been doing? 2091 01:48:58,365 --> 01:49:00,200 - Uh, fair. - Jamie: Fair? 2092 01:49:00,367 --> 01:49:01,994 Yeah. Good days, bad days. 2093 01:49:02,161 --> 01:49:04,163 Jamie: More bad days than good days? 2094 01:49:06,123 --> 01:49:07,124 Yeah. 2095 01:49:12,087 --> 01:49:14,214 Let's do it. Tell her to hurry. 2096 01:49:16,633 --> 01:49:18,426 Yeah, she's got to cover up the results 2097 01:49:18,510 --> 01:49:20,637 of my botched transfusion here. 2098 01:49:26,435 --> 01:49:27,394 Man: Ready? 2099 01:49:38,822 --> 01:49:41,325 Mike: He is diagnosed, and he really, 2100 01:49:41,492 --> 01:49:43,494 uh, started working in earnest. 2101 01:49:44,036 --> 01:49:47,498 And that in some ways, I think, was intentionally 2102 01:49:47,664 --> 01:49:50,918 a summing up while he was ill in the last couple years. 2103 01:50:33,961 --> 01:50:36,338 Steve: One of the things that Frank loved 2104 01:50:36,755 --> 01:50:40,300 was musicians that really loved what they were doing, 2105 01:50:40,467 --> 01:50:44,805 and enjoyed playing 2106 01:50:44,972 --> 01:50:48,058 to the best of their ability and took great pride 2107 01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:50,978 in the composer's music. 2108 01:50:51,770 --> 01:50:54,189 There was not enough through the years. 2109 01:50:54,398 --> 01:50:56,748 You know, Frank dealt with orchestras that were, 2110 01:50:56,859 --> 01:51:00,028 you know, basically paid and came in 2111 01:51:00,195 --> 01:51:03,031 and did their job just by, "Okay, here's another chart." 2112 01:51:03,198 --> 01:51:05,659 But then through the years, the... his music 2113 01:51:05,826 --> 01:51:08,036 as it started touching more younger people 2114 01:51:08,203 --> 01:51:10,539 who were growing up and taking up instruments, 2115 01:51:11,331 --> 01:51:13,584 some of them had a deep desire 2116 01:51:13,959 --> 01:51:17,462 to play Frank's music that way. 2117 01:51:18,505 --> 01:51:21,800 So, when Frank discovered the Ensemble Modern, 2118 01:51:22,467 --> 01:51:26,930 this is a group of musicians that wanted to play his music 2119 01:51:27,806 --> 01:51:30,434 on a level that was yet to be achieved. 2120 01:51:33,937 --> 01:51:36,732 Zappa: When the final event is put together, 2121 01:51:37,065 --> 01:51:40,235 I will make some structure out of what worked 2122 01:51:40,402 --> 01:51:41,653 during the rehearsal. 2123 01:51:43,530 --> 01:51:45,830 At the end of the day, you'll have it on paper. 2124 01:51:45,949 --> 01:51:47,408 And you'll be able to read it. 2125 01:51:47,492 --> 01:51:48,410 Okay? 2126 01:51:51,079 --> 01:51:54,791 Okay, so watch, and I'll just move the pitch around the room. 2127 01:52:01,006 --> 01:52:05,010 (orchestra plays) 2128 01:52:13,268 --> 01:52:15,520 And instead of just playing your note, style the note. 2129 01:52:15,604 --> 01:52:18,189 Put some sort of different vibrato rates on it, you know, 2130 01:52:18,273 --> 01:52:20,233 your... that's the one note you have in life. 2131 01:52:20,317 --> 01:52:22,467 You're really gonna play the shit out of it. 2132 01:52:22,569 --> 01:52:25,322 And your big chance to be a star with one note. 2133 01:52:25,489 --> 01:52:26,573 Here we go. 2134 01:52:28,992 --> 01:52:32,120 (orchestra plays) 2135 01:52:41,922 --> 01:52:43,966 Gail: He worked lots of different 2136 01:52:44,132 --> 01:52:45,717 projects simultaneously. 2137 01:52:46,093 --> 01:52:49,429 But that shifted when it was becoming more obvious 2138 01:52:49,596 --> 01:52:51,931 that he wasn't gonna have the time that he needed. 2139 01:52:52,015 --> 01:52:55,352 And then I think he set up priorities himself. 2140 01:52:55,894 --> 01:52:58,563 Went too fast. Da-da, da-da. 2141 01:52:58,730 --> 01:53:00,148 (coughs) 2142 01:53:00,357 --> 01:53:03,110 (indistinct chatter) 2143 01:53:03,277 --> 01:53:05,654 There's nothing weird about the tempo relations. 2144 01:53:05,821 --> 01:53:08,657 There's nothing science fiction about this tempo. 2145 01:53:11,827 --> 01:53:12,828 Yeah. 2146 01:53:13,036 --> 01:53:15,536 Gail: You make decisions about what you can finish, 2147 01:53:16,039 --> 01:53:17,874 what's really important to finish, 2148 01:53:18,500 --> 01:53:21,086 which, you know, 2149 01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,089 is another kind of composition. 2150 01:53:24,256 --> 01:53:28,260 (vocalizing) 2151 01:53:28,552 --> 01:53:29,970 I see what it is. 2152 01:54:00,709 --> 01:54:04,463 (music playing) 2153 01:55:44,312 --> 01:55:47,399 (cheers and applause) 2154 01:56:11,548 --> 01:56:13,883 Ruth: I had written a letter that I had hand-delivered 2155 01:56:13,967 --> 01:56:15,051 to the house 2156 01:56:15,802 --> 01:56:18,502 when I really thought I was not going to see him again. 2157 01:56:19,931 --> 01:56:21,683 It was essentially... 2158 01:56:22,267 --> 01:56:25,770 a letter of love and gratitude... 2159 01:56:31,067 --> 01:56:33,278 for everything he had done in the world. 2160 01:56:33,904 --> 01:56:35,822 And not just the world of music 2161 01:56:36,573 --> 01:56:38,492 and not just my little life 2162 01:56:39,201 --> 01:56:40,785 but the world. 2163 01:56:42,329 --> 01:56:43,288 And so... 2164 01:56:44,331 --> 01:56:47,459 I asked him to read it after I would leave. 2165 01:56:47,626 --> 01:56:49,976 Of course, he opened it right while I was there. 2166 01:56:50,754 --> 01:56:54,174 He read it, and he said, um, 2167 01:56:54,841 --> 01:56:56,426 he was not effusive. 2168 01:56:56,593 --> 01:56:58,219 I didn't expect him to be, but he said, 2169 01:56:58,303 --> 01:57:00,847 "That is really, really nice." 2170 01:57:01,556 --> 01:57:03,099 And he hugged me. 2171 01:57:03,266 --> 01:57:05,727 And he looked like he was in so much pain, 2172 01:57:05,894 --> 01:57:07,187 and he hugged me. 2173 01:57:20,450 --> 01:57:22,619 But nothing. It fucking sucked. 2174 01:57:27,332 --> 01:57:29,251 Gail: Before Frank died, he said, 2175 01:57:29,417 --> 01:57:31,085 "Sell everything, and get out of this business. 2176 01:57:31,169 --> 01:57:33,129 It's hateful, and take, you know, 2177 01:57:33,296 --> 01:57:35,796 go get a house at the beach, and have a good time." 2178 01:57:37,384 --> 01:57:40,762 So, there you have it in a nutshell. 2179 01:57:56,111 --> 01:57:59,197 (cheers and applause) 2180 01:58:04,369 --> 01:58:05,537 Zappa: Thank you. 2181 01:59:06,222 --> 01:59:10,268 (cheers and applause) 2182 01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,501 Jamie: You got an extraordinary reaction. 2183 01:59:34,668 --> 01:59:37,671 I mean, 20-minute standing ovation. 2184 01:59:38,672 --> 01:59:40,799 How do you feel about that? 2185 01:59:40,965 --> 01:59:42,967 Well, uh, there's no accounting for taste. 2186 01:59:43,051 --> 01:59:44,511 Oh, come on. 2187 01:59:44,678 --> 01:59:46,179 You must have been thrilled. 2188 01:59:46,554 --> 01:59:49,766 I was. I was happier that they did that 2189 01:59:49,933 --> 01:59:51,475 rather than throw things at the stage. 2190 01:59:51,559 --> 01:59:54,479 (cheers and applause) 2191 02:00:06,241 --> 02:00:10,286 (cheers and applause) 2192 02:00:35,186 --> 02:00:39,232 (music playing) 2193 02:01:36,873 --> 02:01:37,999 Zappa: We were loud. 2194 02:01:39,209 --> 02:01:40,376 We were coarse. 2195 02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:43,463 And we were strange. 2196 02:01:44,923 --> 02:01:48,218 And if anybody in the audience ever gave us any trouble, 2197 02:01:48,885 --> 02:01:50,386 we'd tell them to fuck off. 2198 02:01:51,012 --> 02:01:54,933 ("Watermelon In Eastern Hay" by Frank Zappa playing) 2199 02:07:17,797 --> 02:07:21,968 Zappa: This is the Central Scrutinizer. 2200 02:07:22,510 --> 02:07:25,346 Joe has just worked himself 2201 02:07:25,596 --> 02:07:28,141 into an imaginary frenzy 2202 02:07:28,307 --> 02:07:30,059 during the fade-out 2203 02:07:30,226 --> 02:07:32,562 of his imaginary song. 2204 02:07:33,479 --> 02:07:36,649 He begins to feel depressed now. 2205 02:07:36,816 --> 02:07:40,695 He knows the end is near. 180970

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