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- Mm.
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Mm.
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Oh.
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Oh, that's interesting.
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Tell me more.
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I guess what I'm wondering is...
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I'm Lauren Caspian, and
this is "In the Know."
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Mm.
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I'm Lauren Caspian, and
this is "In the Know."
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You're a fucking god.
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The unhoused man looked at me.
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He looked me dead in the
eyes, and he said, thank you.
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Thank you for
recognizing my humanity
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when the rest of
the world refused.
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- The homeless guy said that?
- Mm, with his eyes, yes.
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- And he's in the studio
bathroom right now?
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- It was the least I could do.
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- Okay. Well,
have a good show.
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- Oh,
Carl, I'm no hero.
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- What?
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- Oh, Carl, I wish I could
see myself the way you see me.
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Oh, Carl, Saturday,
Lin-Manuel Miranda's
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interviewing himself at
The New Yorker Festival.
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Want to be my plus-one?
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- Uh, I have friends
in town Saturday.
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- Ah.
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Well, let's hang out
next weekend. then?
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- They're here
next weekend, too.
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- Jeez Louise. They
won't leave you alone.
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- I think they're just lonely
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and have a hard time
picking up on social cues.
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- I was homeless once.
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- Yeah, s-summer of '66,
I lived under a pier
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in Venice Beach
with Jim Morrison.
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H-he used to beat
the shit out of me.
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- Ah, Fabian, guten morgen.
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- Don't start
with me today, Lauren.
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I was just attacked
on the subway.
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- Good God. What happened?
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- Some meathead's aftershave
triggered one of my migraines.
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The way this country
treats the neuro-sensitive
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makes me want to firebomb
a Bath & Body Works.
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- They're ready to
go in five, Lauren.
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- Um, do you have the
research for the first guest?
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This just says
"straight white woman."
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- Tells you everything
you need to know.
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- Chase, interns are
supposed to get here by 9:00.
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We've talked about this.
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- Dude, it's crazy
I even came in.
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Last night this
couple I was banging
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accidentally locked me in their
home sensory-deprivation tank,
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and I was frickin'
screaming all night.
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- What, they didn't hear you?
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- They're both
deaf... techno accident.
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But they still DJ, which
is inspiring as fuck.
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- Good morning, everyone.
Ready to have a great show?
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- Ugh, Barb, you know
I can't have management
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hovering over me
before interviews.
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The last thing I need is
some corporate fat cat
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purring "money, money,
money" in my ear.
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- You make twice my salary.
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- It's not all
about money, Barb.
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- Okay, showtime.
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- Scrooge McDuck.
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- Boomer Witch.
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- Mmm.
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Hi, this is Lauren.
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Today we'll be unpacking
the idea of beauty.
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Our first guest began
modeling at just 13,
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proving that in fashion,
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child labor doesn't just happen
on the manufacturing side.
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An actress, fashion goddess,
and fellow crazed book-slut,
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Kaia Gerber, welcome
to "In the Know."
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- Wow, um, thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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- Let's talk about the
impossible beauty standards
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that models put forward.
- Mm.
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- I buy most of my clothes
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from a company called
Weak and Wiley,
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which makes a sweater with
a built-in lumbar support.
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- Mm-hmm.
- But I'm constantly turned off
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by how unattainably beautiful
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the male model is
in their catalog.
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- Do you feel misled? Is that...
is that what the issue is?
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- Well, when I look
at the catalog,
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I think, ooh, if I
get that fair isle
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with the orthopedic Spanx,
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I'm going to look like
Vadim from the catalog.
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- Mm-hmm.
- But then I go
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to the food co-op, and
I see myself reflected
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in their two-way mirror...
because there's been
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a lot of shoplifting at the
food co-op, to be honest...
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I look nothing like Vadim.
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- I do think it
can be misleading.
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I think sometimes I'll
see a photo of myself,
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and I don't even feel
like it looks like me.
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So imagine that.
- Mm.
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I like to treat my
interviews like a trampoline
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and boing from one
subject to another.
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- I'm ready.
- Boing, boing.
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When you used to bring
books to read backstage
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during fashion shows,
people were surprised.
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Now, why do you think that is?
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- There's a very
common misconception
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about models that
we're not intellectual.
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- So it doesn't take very
much to impress people.
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- I found the same shadow
assumption with me,
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which is they expect
me to be intellectual,
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but they don't expect
me to be sensual.
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- Mm.
- And so they're surprised
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when they come to my house
and see my collection
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of erotic didgeridoos.
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Why do you have didgeridoos?
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- Because of how
erotic they are.
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- Right.
- Boing.
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I'm trying to look younger.
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Do you eat breakfast?
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- You know, spring
semester I modeled
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for this flip-flop company,
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where I'd climb in the
back of this guy's SUV,
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and he'd photograph my feet
in different kinds of sandals.
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It's a really exclusive brand.
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They don't have a physical store
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or a catalog or a website...
just that Lincoln Navigator.
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Do you want to see me
have a full-blown seizure?
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- What?
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I'm on the 14-day egg diet.
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This is how James
Caan got in shape
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for "Freebie and the Bean."
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- Get rid of it.
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- Mm.
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Wait for me.
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- Wouldn't it be better if,
instead of choosing models
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using the current
bizarre criteria,
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which, frankly, means
most of them look
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like literal aliens
from scary space,
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we just chose people at
random like jury duty.
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- I agree. I do think
that's worth exploring.
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It would definitely
make it interesting.
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- Imagine
a hairy old man
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in enormous Balenciaga shoes,
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a female pipe fitter
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who just had dental surgery
smizing in the new Donna Karan.
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Wouldn't that be refreshing?
- Completely, yes.
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- And because I feel
like we're in a flow
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where you're agreeing with me,
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would you mind if I rant about
the violence of the male gaze?
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- Yeah, I would love to hear it.
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- And feel free to
periodically chime in
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and say, amen,
or, go off, queen,
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whatever feels natural.
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- Right, okay.
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- Here I go.
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Men don't want
these plastic waifs.
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We want a physically dominant
version of ourselves.
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We want a woman with a
big woolly shoulder bag
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and long COVID, who smells
like hummus and coffee
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and has earrings that are
sexy little wind chimes.
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- Mm. Amen.
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- We are all fortunate
to live in a time...
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- What's that one about?
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- Oh, a family of scientists
are kidnapped by time pirates.
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It's actually based on a real
theory of special relativity.
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- Ooh, that sounds interesting.
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I'm reading another novel about
the widows of Nova Scotia.
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- Oh, uh...
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Hey, has there been any progress
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in your husband's murder case?
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- Oh, I-I don't want
to pester the police.
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They're probably busy
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prepping for the St.
Patrick's Day Parade.
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Dale loved parades.
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- How did you learn
to walk in heels?
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- I actually took lessons,
and that is a true story.
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- Do you remember
the key lesson?
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- Yes. Don't sway your hips.
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- That's impossible for me,
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because I have a
naturally sassy pelvis.
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- So do I, and it
proved to be an issue.
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- Now, you've said you
don't enjoy getting asked
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basic questions like, "What
are three items in your purse?"
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So I'll ask, Kaia, what have
you done that nobody knows
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that you are most ashamed of?
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And please be
uncomfortably specific.
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- Oh, my...
- This is a safe space.
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- Safe space.
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- Um, the three items
in my purse, uh, are...
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- Didn't your daughter try
to get an internship here?
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- Yeah. She really
loves journalism.
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- And then this dude got it?
- 14...
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- Yeah, supposedly his
parents made this big gift
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to NPR after he was put
on academic probation
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at Florida State.
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- That stinks.
- Whoo!
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- Oh, Beth understands.
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- What's your
relationship to showers?
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- I love crying in the shower.
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When you don't know what's
tears and what's water,
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that's one of my
favorite things.
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- It's like peeing in the bath.
You can't tell what's what.
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- Okay.
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- You know, it's funny
you brought up bathrooms.
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I-I don't normally talk
about my street activism,
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but this morning I
invited an unhoused man
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to use our studio restroom.
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- Great.
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- Should I go off?
- Yes, go off.
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- Go off who?
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- Go off, queen.
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- Boing. Do you like funerals?
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- Um...
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no.
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- Is there someone in
our restroom right now?
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- Mm-hmm.
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- Oh, so what did
everybody think?
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- Amazing.
- Mm, yeah.
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- I'm a bit of a
health freak myself.
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Twice a week, I do water
reiki down at the Y.
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- Yeah. Workout classes slap.
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- It's not a class.
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It's just something I do
to people in the pool.
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- Huh.
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- And what did you think of
the interview, Miss Fabian?
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- "A tone-deaf duet by
two skeletal narcissists,
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emphasis on the 'cis,
' #CancellnTheKnow."
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- Did you tweet that from
the official show account?
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- Yeah.
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- Great interview, Lauren.
- No, it's a team effort.
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I'm merely the big daddy.
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- Oh, I also wanted
to let everyone know
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that that homeless gentleman
is still in the bathroom.
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- Oh, Barb.
- Huh?
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- That is hate speech.
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He is an unhoused person.
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- Actually, the
preferred term is
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"person who is currently
without housing."
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- No, I don't think so.
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Are you sure?
- Yes.
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- Oh, I'm sorry.
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I'm really very empathetic
to the man's situation.
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I volunteer at a
homeless shelter...
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- Ah, ah, no, you volunteer
at an unhoused shelter.
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- A shelter for persons
currently without housing.
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- Well, it just
feels very clunky.
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- Oh, I'm sorry, is
it too inconvenient
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to treat vulnerable
populations with respect?
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- How dare you?
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I was using the term
Inuit back in the '90s.
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I've been spelling
"womyn" with a Y
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since before I
could spell my name.
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- Either way, until he
leaves, everyone on the floor
251
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will have to use the
Starbucks down the street.
252
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- And maybe that will teach us
253
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about the lack of water
closets in this country.
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May I remind you all that
this is public radio?
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Let us urinate and do all
other washroom "shamefuls"
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in solidarity with our
unhoused brothers and sisters.
257
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- Brothers, sisters,
and nonbinary siblings
258
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currently without housing.
- God damn it!
259
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- I'm proud of you all.
260
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We aren't just
holding our urine,
261
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we're holding space
for the forgotten
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and supposedly hideous among us.
263
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- We're going to have to find
264
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a new place to take a leak.
265
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That Starbucks has bad vibes.
266
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- What does that mean?
267
00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:33,044
- They accused
Sandy of stealing an egg.
268
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- Did you steal an egg?
269
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Sandy?
270
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The manager said
271
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no more public-radio people.
- Great.
272
00:11:44,454 --> 00:11:46,831
- There's another Starbucks
eight blocks further down.
273
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Go for it.
- No, you go.
274
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I don't want you getting
another men's UTI.
275
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- Oh. Thanks, Barb.
276
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I'll get the guy in the
bathroom a sandwich.
277
00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:57,300
- No, Carl, I-I know you're
trying to do what's best,
278
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but we can't presume to
know what this man wants.
279
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- I could ask him.
280
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- Oh, so it's this
man's responsibility
281
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to teach us what persons
currently without housing
282
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like to eat?
283
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Do the work, Barb.
284
00:12:08,978 --> 00:12:11,356
- I could give him money.
- Jesus Chri...
285
00:12:11,398 --> 00:12:13,376
I mean, Barb, what is this
craven obsession with money?
286
00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,734
- Wow.
287
00:12:14,776 --> 00:12:16,277
- And you wonder why
you're miserable.
288
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- I'm pretty happy,
all things considered.
289
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- I'll be back in 15.
290
00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:23,702
- Uh, Carl, I'm sorry, but we
need to tape Sandy's segment
291
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if we want to stay on schedule.
292
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Can you stay?
- Lauren.
293
00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:30,375
- It's okay,
Barb. I'll manage.
294
00:12:30,417 --> 00:12:32,460
- And that, ladies
and gentlemen,
295
00:12:32,502 --> 00:12:35,130
is why Carl and I
are best friends.
296
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- Season's greetings,
movie mavens.
297
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It's time for another
edition of "Candid Culture,"
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with me, Sandy Cooter.
299
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- If you
need to go, I can cover.
300
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- I'm okay.
301
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It helps if I focus
on something else.
302
00:12:52,856 --> 00:12:55,108
- Today I'll be sharing my views
303
00:12:55,150 --> 00:12:59,279
on the Andrew Samberg
romp, "Palm Springs."
304
00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,531
- Didn't you tell him to
review more recent movies?
305
00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:04,075
- He says he likes to watch a
film once with the sound off
306
00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:06,578
and once with his eyes closed
and then wait two years
307
00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:09,748
for his ideas to "simmer
like a creole gumbo."
308
00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:13,293
- I-I'm afraid
Mr. Samberg's talents
309
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are better suited for skits
such as "Dick in a Box,"
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which I loved, than a
major motion picture.
311
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The mind spins to think what
a talent like Dick Gregory
312
00:13:24,596 --> 00:13:27,599
could have done with
a role like this.
313
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We miss you, Dick. We
wish you weren't in a box.
314
00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,956
You can't have a serious
conversation about beauty
315
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without America's
foremost expert.
316
00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:56,211
One of the stars of "Queer Eye,"
317
00:13:56,252 --> 00:13:58,463
they're a hair
guru, a raconteur,
318
00:13:58,505 --> 00:14:02,842
and self-described "Malcolm
X of the gay community."
319
00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:05,720
Jonathan Van Ness,
welcome to "In the Know."
320
00:14:05,762 --> 00:14:10,308
- Um, "self-described Malcolm
X of the gay community"?
321
00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:12,352
- That's what our
researcher Fabian said.
322
00:14:12,394 --> 00:14:13,895
Is that incorrect?
323
00:14:13,937 --> 00:14:15,814
- I-I typically go
for, like, a diva.
324
00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,148
- Huh.
325
00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:18,983
- Give me, like, a
Whitney. Give me a Taylor.
326
00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:20,652
Give me a Mariah.
- Mm.
327
00:14:20,694 --> 00:14:22,028
I've just never been described
328
00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:24,239
of a Malcolm X of anything
before, but I'm obsessed.
329
00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,491
- Jonathan, what I love
about your show "Queer Eye"
330
00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:28,535
is that you're taking
rightful revenge
331
00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:32,455
against heterosexual society
by erasing straight identities.
332
00:14:32,497 --> 00:14:34,582
It's sort of a conversion
camp in reverse,
333
00:14:34,624 --> 00:14:37,711
a physically imposing
five-person platoon
334
00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:39,337
thunders into the hetero's home
335
00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:41,506
and tells them to change
everything about themselves,
336
00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:44,342
or they'll never be loved, and
I think it's just wonderful.
337
00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,886
- Yeah, we actually edit
out the boxing matches.
338
00:14:46,928 --> 00:14:48,847
- Mm.
- Like, we actually... we also...
339
00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,181
No, we do that.
340
00:14:50,223 --> 00:14:51,808
Like, if they don't
conform fast enough,
341
00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:54,686
like, we go off camera, and we
just beat the shit out of them,
342
00:14:54,728 --> 00:14:56,312
all five of us.
- Mm.
343
00:14:56,354 --> 00:15:00,442
Do you ever show up at one of
these dirty "strogres'" homes,
344
00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:03,653
and it's just some
dopey pig with a Bowflex
345
00:15:03,695 --> 00:15:05,405
and a deer head on the wall?
346
00:15:05,447 --> 00:15:07,758
Do you ever think, well, I'm
sorry, but he's beyond saving,
347
00:15:07,782 --> 00:15:11,036
let's just leave this
dopey pig in his filth?
348
00:15:11,077 --> 00:15:14,164
- Um, we have never really had,
349
00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,041
like, a "dopey"...
350
00:15:16,082 --> 00:15:17,584
Like, no, like, all of them...
351
00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:20,211
I think really
everyone at their core
352
00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,881
is, like, a sweet, good person.
353
00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:26,051
- Mm. And what do you think
about the word "strogre"?
354
00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:27,552
Do you think it can catch on?
355
00:15:27,594 --> 00:15:29,346
It's a slur I've
been workshopping.
356
00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:33,058
It's a combination of the
word "straight" and "ogre."
357
00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,601
- It's giving me, like,
358
00:15:34,642 --> 00:15:36,978
something that you
would tune a cello with.
359
00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:39,189
- Mm.
- It's not giving me a read.
360
00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:41,191
It's giving me forced.
361
00:15:41,232 --> 00:15:43,151
And you know JLo just said...
- Who's that?
362
00:15:43,193 --> 00:15:44,861
- Jennifer Lopez, obviously.
363
00:15:44,903 --> 00:15:47,405
- I'm not familiar. Is she
a victim of wage theft?
364
00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:48,990
- Oh, honey.
365
00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:50,700
But she said her
third best advice
366
00:15:50,742 --> 00:15:52,744
that she got on this,
like, "Vogue" thing I saw
367
00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:54,079
was, like, don't force it.
368
00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,372
And "strogre" feels forced.
369
00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:58,541
- Mm. Thank you for
your honest feedback.
370
00:15:58,583 --> 00:16:01,711
It hurts like hell, but I'm
going to bravely power on.
371
00:16:01,753 --> 00:16:04,255
Jonathan, what is your position
372
00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:05,965
on those Rastafarian hats
373
00:16:06,007 --> 00:16:07,717
with the fake
dreadlocks attached?
374
00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,012
Is that a fashion do
or a fashion don't?
375
00:16:11,054 --> 00:16:12,597
- Uh...
376
00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:15,100
- I tried to mix up my
style a few years ago.
377
00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:16,976
I wore a bolo tie to work.
378
00:16:17,018 --> 00:16:19,187
I immediately regretted it,
but I couldn't take it off
379
00:16:19,229 --> 00:16:21,147
because people would
notice I removed it.
380
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:23,900
It was
a kind of hell.
381
00:16:23,942 --> 00:16:26,778
- Oh, a woman my age shouldn't
have to worry about style.
382
00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:28,113
I always tell my hairdresser,
383
00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:31,074
just try to make my
head look invisible.
384
00:16:31,116 --> 00:16:32,617
- I think you look great.
385
00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:33,868
- Oh.
386
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:35,662
- Me too.
387
00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:38,790
I'd totally smash...
for real, Barb.
388
00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:42,168
Thank... thank you.
389
00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:43,878
- You too, Carl.
390
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,380
- Hey.
391
00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:49,676
- I'm going to go check on
the gentleman in the bathroom.
392
00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:51,219
- Good idea.
393
00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:54,431
- I'm technically dating a het
cis woman also named Lauren,
394
00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:56,474
but we don't have
penetrative sex
395
00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:58,309
because I do find
it problematic.
396
00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,270
But we do...
- That's called sideways.
397
00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:01,896
- What's sideways?
398
00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:04,024
- When you, like, don't
want to do penetrative sex
399
00:17:04,065 --> 00:17:06,026
in your booty holes or vaginas.
400
00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:07,318
- Well, we do engage
401
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:09,404
in what I like to
call "rough spooning."
402
00:17:09,446 --> 00:17:11,489
And she outweighs me
by about 50 pounds,
403
00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:13,158
so we have a pretty complicated
404
00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:14,492
sexual power dynamic.
405
00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,786
She throws me around like
a little bag of sand.
406
00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:18,663
- I love that. It's hot.
407
00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:22,167
- I like to think of
myself as a sapiosexual.
408
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:24,127
I'm sexually attracted to ideas.
409
00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:26,212
Do you think that
that should be given
410
00:17:26,254 --> 00:17:28,840
more space in the conversation,
411
00:17:28,882 --> 00:17:31,468
specifically ours that
we're having right now?
412
00:17:31,509 --> 00:17:33,094
- Yeah, I think
people absolutely...
413
00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:34,804
I think that's
absolutely a thing.
414
00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:38,516
- I once got an erection from
reading Plato's "The Cave."
415
00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:41,353
- Do you
have a therapist?
416
00:17:45,523 --> 00:17:47,442
- Oh, shit, is that a skunk?
417
00:17:47,484 --> 00:17:49,944
- You can't look at
someone's pet cam
418
00:17:49,986 --> 00:17:52,530
without the consent of
the caregiver and the pet.
419
00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,449
- That's your pet?
420
00:17:54,491 --> 00:17:56,701
Awesome.
421
00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:58,161
- Her name is Bertie.
422
00:17:58,203 --> 00:18:00,038
I rescued her from the streets.
423
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,415
She was literally eating trash.
424
00:18:02,457 --> 00:18:04,626
She's my chosen family.
425
00:18:04,668 --> 00:18:06,961
- Does giving someone's
life a makeover
426
00:18:07,003 --> 00:18:09,714
sometimes work against the
goal of self-acceptance.
427
00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:12,258
How do you marry
those two together?
428
00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,511
- Yeah, I think...
That's a good question.
429
00:18:14,552 --> 00:18:17,555
I don't think that
those are, like, binary.
430
00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:20,600
Um, I think that there's ways
for us to, like, explore...
431
00:18:20,642 --> 00:18:21,893
- Aah.
432
00:18:21,935 --> 00:18:23,895
Have you lost your
God-fearing Midwestern mind?
433
00:18:23,937 --> 00:18:25,647
I am mid-interview.
434
00:18:25,689 --> 00:18:27,273
I'm sorry, Lauren.
435
00:18:27,315 --> 00:18:29,567
I'm just worried about
our unhoused friend.
436
00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:32,070
He's not responding
when I knock.
437
00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:33,571
He... he could be sick.
438
00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:35,615
- And I suppose you get
to decide who's sick,
439
00:18:35,657 --> 00:18:36,950
Nurse Ratchet.
440
00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:39,244
- Oh, Ken Kesey once
showed me an early draft
441
00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:41,204
of "One Flew Over
the Cuckoo's Nest,"
442
00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:42,580
when it was still called
443
00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:45,834
"Untitled Mental
Hospital Comedy."
444
00:18:48,211 --> 00:18:50,171
- My God.
445
00:18:50,213 --> 00:18:53,091
You called in your goons.
- That's Terry.
446
00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:54,759
He's the maintenance supervisor.
447
00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,429
He's got a bathroom
key, and he knows CPR.
448
00:18:57,470 --> 00:19:00,348
- What's
next... the police?
449
00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:03,309
You want to tear-gas this man?
- Well, no, I...
450
00:19:03,351 --> 00:19:05,854
- Why do the police
need a tank, Barb?
451
00:19:05,895 --> 00:19:07,564
Tell me.
- I-I don't know.
452
00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:10,025
- Answer her question, Barb.
Why do the police need a tank?
453
00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:11,585
- Answer my question, Barb.
- I don't know.
454
00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:13,153
- You want to tear-gas this man?
455
00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:14,154
- Oh, no. No.
- With a tank?
456
00:19:14,195 --> 00:19:15,572
- You want a tank
full of tear gas?
457
00:19:15,613 --> 00:19:17,157
- No.
- She's foaming at the mouth.
458
00:19:17,198 --> 00:19:18,658
- Let me be absolutely clear.
459
00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,661
No one will disturb that
precious unhoused man.
460
00:19:21,703 --> 00:19:25,123
And if they do, I will
personally call them out
461
00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:28,460
live on air in
front of millions.
462
00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:30,295
- We average 30,000 listeners.
463
00:19:30,337 --> 00:19:32,630
- We're done here.
464
00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,800
- Tell me what
democracy looks like.
465
00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,720
- This is what
democracy looks like.
466
00:19:41,723 --> 00:19:44,225
- be a matter of, like,
not accepting yourself.
467
00:19:44,267 --> 00:19:47,062
I think it's really more of a
matter of, like, exploration
468
00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:50,148
and finding what makes you
feel the most embodied.
469
00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:52,317
- Mm. I'm sorry. I
missed most of that.
470
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,652
I was saving a man's life.
471
00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,613
- Who... Just now?
472
00:19:56,654 --> 00:19:57,822
- Yeah.
473
00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,533
There's an unhoused
man who is currently...
474
00:20:00,575 --> 00:20:02,494
- A person who's
experiencing homelessness?
475
00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:05,372
- Fucking... I mean, that's
the least of their...
476
00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:08,750
I have
one final question.
477
00:20:08,792 --> 00:20:09,876
- Okay.
478
00:20:09,918 --> 00:20:12,420
- Is being a
body-positivity icon...
479
00:20:12,462 --> 00:20:14,547
is it a bit like being
a climate-change denier,
480
00:20:14,589 --> 00:20:17,008
in... in that you have to
ignore your problem areas
481
00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:19,844
much like America ignores ours?
482
00:20:19,886 --> 00:20:24,224
- No, because I think that
the idea of the problem area
483
00:20:24,265 --> 00:20:26,017
is, like, a figment
of our imagination.
484
00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:27,394
Like, there is no such thing.
485
00:20:27,435 --> 00:20:30,313
- What if you have
hyperintense localized eczema
486
00:20:30,355 --> 00:20:31,731
on your lower back?
487
00:20:31,773 --> 00:20:35,360
- I get it, and you're
still gorgeous and fuckable.
488
00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:37,028
- Did you just say
I was fuckable?
489
00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:38,863
- Everyone is
gorgeous and fuckable.
490
00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,366
As long as you're, like,
consenting adults, honey...
491
00:20:41,408 --> 00:20:43,201
You're fuckable.
492
00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:44,744
- And that, my dear friend,
493
00:20:44,786 --> 00:20:48,039
is why you're the Malcolm
X of the gay community.
494
00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,624
- Thank you.
495
00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:51,626
- And that is our show.
496
00:20:51,668 --> 00:20:55,255
In conclusion, I'd like to
take a moment of silence.
497
00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:56,715
There are unhoused people
498
00:20:56,756 --> 00:20:59,551
in bathrooms all
over this country.
499
00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:02,804
Let's take a pause
to listen to them.
500
00:21:04,848 --> 00:21:07,600
Not literal... not
literally, obviously.
501
00:21:07,642 --> 00:21:09,769
They deserve privacy
in the bathroom.
502
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,153
And that,
my dear friends,
503
00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:19,446
is the ball game.
504
00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:21,531
Chase, my kombucha, please.
505
00:21:21,573 --> 00:21:24,576
- Oh, shit, pretty sure I
gave the last one to Kevin.
506
00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,703
- Who's Kevin?
- Dude in the bathroom.
507
00:21:26,745 --> 00:21:28,496
You want some of my
power jerky, though?
508
00:21:28,538 --> 00:21:29,706
It's a pork byproduct
509
00:21:29,748 --> 00:21:31,750
dusted with a very
gentle strain of cocaine.
510
00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:35,628
- Chase, my post-show
kombucha isn't just a treat.
511
00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:37,714
It's a
prescription-strength blend
512
00:21:37,756 --> 00:21:39,883
of yeast and bacteria cultures.
513
00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,484
- The only cultures
you seem to respect.
514
00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:43,219
- This is terrible.
515
00:21:43,261 --> 00:21:44,971
- Are you okay, Lauren?
516
00:21:45,013 --> 00:21:48,058
- My bowels are a delicately
constructed Swiss clock,
517
00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:52,479
and the smallest irregularity
can trigger the end of time.
518
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,814
Everyone out of the way. I
need to get to the bathroom.
519
00:21:54,856 --> 00:21:56,733
- The bathroom's
occupied, remember?
520
00:21:56,775 --> 00:21:59,527
- Good God, the unhoused man.
521
00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:01,529
- The person
currently without...
522
00:22:01,571 --> 00:22:03,573
- I don't have time!
523
00:22:03,615 --> 00:22:06,493
Oh, no.
524
00:22:06,534 --> 00:22:09,621
Oh.
525
00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:13,750
Chase, I'm panicking.
526
00:22:13,792 --> 00:22:16,169
You're going to have to
carry me to the Starbucks.
527
00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:19,089
I-I can't walk and focus on
not going to the restroom
528
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:20,757
in my pants at the same time.
529
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:21,758
- No way, my guy.
530
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,426
I'm not carrying
you eight blocks
531
00:22:23,468 --> 00:22:24,886
while you shit your pants.
532
00:22:24,928 --> 00:22:26,971
- You want Terry to ask
the homeless guy to leave?
533
00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:28,306
- No, I'm fine.
534
00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:30,684
It's as much his
bathroom as it is mine.
535
00:22:40,819 --> 00:22:45,240
Could... could I have
the studio, please?
536
00:22:45,281 --> 00:22:46,783
- Gross.
537
00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:49,077
- God damn it, that's
my equipment closet.
538
00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:53,873
I got to walk to
the damn Starbucks.
539
00:22:59,462 --> 00:23:01,047
- Knock, knock.
540
00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:03,133
Lauren, it's Barb.
541
00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:06,803
I brought you some essentials.
542
00:23:06,845 --> 00:23:09,180
If you need anything
else, I'll be...
543
00:23:09,222 --> 00:23:12,851
- Get out of here!
Get out of here!
544
00:23:14,602 --> 00:23:17,063
Oh, good God!
545
00:23:20,025 --> 00:23:22,777
- Room for one more?
- Barb!
546
00:23:38,001 --> 00:23:40,128
- I'm reading this
fascinating...
547
00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:41,713
- Shut up!
548
00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:47,719
- Mm.
549
00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:50,305
Ah. Ooh.
550
00:23:50,347 --> 00:23:53,099
Yes, ouch.
551
00:23:53,141 --> 00:23:56,728
Mm, interesting.
552
00:23:56,770 --> 00:23:58,897
Mm, yes.
553
00:23:58,938 --> 00:24:00,648
Lauren!
554
00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:03,526
[upbeat music playing
on headphones]
555
00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,365
I hate that guy.
556
00:24:08,415 --> 00:24:12,965
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