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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,881 --> 00:00:09,592 - Mm. 2 00:00:09,634 --> 00:00:12,303 Mm. 3 00:00:12,345 --> 00:00:14,681 Oh. 4 00:00:17,726 --> 00:00:21,271 Oh, that's interesting. 5 00:00:21,312 --> 00:00:23,314 Tell me more. 6 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:25,859 I guess what I'm wondering is... 7 00:00:27,610 --> 00:00:31,489 I'm Lauren Caspian, and this is "In the Know." 8 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:32,782 Mm. 9 00:00:32,824 --> 00:00:36,786 I'm Lauren Caspian, and this is "In the Know." 10 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,125 You're a fucking god. 11 00:00:48,131 --> 00:00:49,674 The unhoused man looked at me. 12 00:00:49,716 --> 00:00:52,635 He looked me dead in the eyes, and he said, thank you. 13 00:00:52,677 --> 00:00:55,096 Thank you for recognizing my humanity 14 00:00:55,138 --> 00:00:57,349 when the rest of the world refused. 15 00:00:57,390 --> 00:01:00,393 - The homeless guy said that? - Mm, with his eyes, yes. 16 00:01:00,435 --> 00:01:02,228 - And he's in the studio bathroom right now? 17 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:04,147 - It was the least I could do. 18 00:01:04,189 --> 00:01:06,983 - Okay. Well, have a good show. 19 00:01:07,025 --> 00:01:09,527 - Oh, Carl, I'm no hero. 20 00:01:09,569 --> 00:01:11,029 - What? 21 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:15,867 - Oh, Carl, I wish I could see myself the way you see me. 22 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:18,620 Oh, Carl, Saturday, Lin-Manuel Miranda's 23 00:01:18,661 --> 00:01:20,955 interviewing himself at The New Yorker Festival. 24 00:01:20,997 --> 00:01:22,290 Want to be my plus-one? 25 00:01:22,332 --> 00:01:24,793 - Uh, I have friends in town Saturday. 26 00:01:24,834 --> 00:01:26,127 - Ah. 27 00:01:26,169 --> 00:01:28,129 Well, let's hang out next weekend. then? 28 00:01:28,171 --> 00:01:29,506 - They're here next weekend, too. 29 00:01:29,547 --> 00:01:32,509 - Jeez Louise. They won't leave you alone. 30 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:33,968 - I think they're just lonely 31 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:37,430 and have a hard time picking up on social cues. 32 00:01:37,472 --> 00:01:40,350 - I was homeless once. 33 00:01:40,392 --> 00:01:43,269 - Yeah, s-summer of '66, I lived under a pier 34 00:01:43,311 --> 00:01:45,689 in Venice Beach with Jim Morrison. 35 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:48,525 H-he used to beat the shit out of me. 36 00:01:56,991 --> 00:01:58,660 - Ah, Fabian, guten morgen. 37 00:01:58,702 --> 00:02:00,620 - Don't start with me today, Lauren. 38 00:02:00,662 --> 00:02:02,414 I was just attacked on the subway. 39 00:02:02,455 --> 00:02:04,916 - Good God. What happened? 40 00:02:04,958 --> 00:02:08,003 - Some meathead's aftershave triggered one of my migraines. 41 00:02:08,044 --> 00:02:10,755 The way this country treats the neuro-sensitive 42 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:14,342 makes me want to firebomb a Bath & Body Works. 43 00:02:14,384 --> 00:02:15,969 - They're ready to go in five, Lauren. 44 00:02:16,011 --> 00:02:18,847 - Um, do you have the research for the first guest? 45 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:24,477 This just says "straight white woman." 46 00:02:24,519 --> 00:02:26,563 - Tells you everything you need to know. 47 00:02:31,776 --> 00:02:34,446 - Chase, interns are supposed to get here by 9:00. 48 00:02:34,487 --> 00:02:35,697 We've talked about this. 49 00:02:35,739 --> 00:02:37,782 - Dude, it's crazy I even came in. 50 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:39,617 Last night this couple I was banging 51 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:42,287 accidentally locked me in their home sensory-deprivation tank, 52 00:02:42,328 --> 00:02:44,330 and I was frickin' screaming all night. 53 00:02:44,372 --> 00:02:45,790 - What, they didn't hear you? 54 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:48,501 - They're both deaf... techno accident. 55 00:02:48,543 --> 00:02:51,504 But they still DJ, which is inspiring as fuck. 56 00:02:51,546 --> 00:02:54,591 - Good morning, everyone. Ready to have a great show? 57 00:02:54,632 --> 00:02:57,677 - Ugh, Barb, you know I can't have management 58 00:02:57,719 --> 00:02:59,888 hovering over me before interviews. 59 00:02:59,929 --> 00:03:02,557 The last thing I need is some corporate fat cat 60 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:04,517 purring "money, money, money" in my ear. 61 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:06,686 - You make twice my salary. 62 00:03:06,728 --> 00:03:09,147 - It's not all about money, Barb. 63 00:03:09,189 --> 00:03:12,859 - Okay, showtime. 64 00:03:12,901 --> 00:03:14,819 - Scrooge McDuck. 65 00:03:14,861 --> 00:03:16,488 - Boomer Witch. 66 00:03:20,283 --> 00:03:22,327 - Mmm. 67 00:03:22,369 --> 00:03:24,704 Hi, this is Lauren. 68 00:03:24,746 --> 00:03:28,375 Today we'll be unpacking the idea of beauty. 69 00:03:28,416 --> 00:03:30,960 Our first guest began modeling at just 13, 70 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:32,796 proving that in fashion, 71 00:03:32,837 --> 00:03:36,007 child labor doesn't just happen on the manufacturing side. 72 00:03:36,049 --> 00:03:40,220 An actress, fashion goddess, and fellow crazed book-slut, 73 00:03:40,261 --> 00:03:42,972 Kaia Gerber, welcome to "In the Know." 74 00:03:43,014 --> 00:03:46,101 - Wow, um, thank you. Thank you for having me. 75 00:03:46,142 --> 00:03:49,104 - Let's talk about the impossible beauty standards 76 00:03:49,145 --> 00:03:50,397 that models put forward. - Mm. 77 00:03:50,438 --> 00:03:51,940 - I buy most of my clothes 78 00:03:51,981 --> 00:03:54,109 from a company called Weak and Wiley, 79 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:56,736 which makes a sweater with a built-in lumbar support. 80 00:03:56,778 --> 00:03:58,738 - Mm-hmm. - But I'm constantly turned off 81 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:00,573 by how unattainably beautiful 82 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:02,659 the male model is in their catalog. 83 00:04:02,701 --> 00:04:05,012 - Do you feel misled? Is that... is that what the issue is? 84 00:04:05,036 --> 00:04:06,663 - Well, when I look at the catalog, 85 00:04:06,705 --> 00:04:08,415 I think, ooh, if I get that fair isle 86 00:04:08,456 --> 00:04:09,791 with the orthopedic Spanx, 87 00:04:09,833 --> 00:04:12,210 I'm going to look like Vadim from the catalog. 88 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,461 - Mm-hmm. - But then I go 89 00:04:13,503 --> 00:04:15,463 to the food co-op, and I see myself reflected 90 00:04:15,505 --> 00:04:17,149 in their two-way mirror... because there's been 91 00:04:17,173 --> 00:04:19,384 a lot of shoplifting at the food co-op, to be honest... 92 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:21,261 I look nothing like Vadim. 93 00:04:21,302 --> 00:04:23,096 - I do think it can be misleading. 94 00:04:23,138 --> 00:04:25,015 I think sometimes I'll see a photo of myself, 95 00:04:25,056 --> 00:04:27,017 and I don't even feel like it looks like me. 96 00:04:27,058 --> 00:04:29,477 So imagine that. - Mm. 97 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:31,438 I like to treat my interviews like a trampoline 98 00:04:31,479 --> 00:04:33,481 and boing from one subject to another. 99 00:04:33,523 --> 00:04:35,984 - I'm ready. - Boing, boing. 100 00:04:36,026 --> 00:04:38,653 When you used to bring books to read backstage 101 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:40,613 during fashion shows, people were surprised. 102 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:42,615 Now, why do you think that is? 103 00:04:42,657 --> 00:04:44,784 - There's a very common misconception 104 00:04:44,826 --> 00:04:47,412 about models that we're not intellectual. 105 00:04:48,955 --> 00:04:50,957 - So it doesn't take very much to impress people. 106 00:04:50,999 --> 00:04:54,127 - I found the same shadow assumption with me, 107 00:04:54,169 --> 00:04:55,962 which is they expect me to be intellectual, 108 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:57,964 but they don't expect me to be sensual. 109 00:04:58,006 --> 00:04:59,674 - Mm. - And so they're surprised 110 00:04:59,716 --> 00:05:01,527 when they come to my house and see my collection 111 00:05:01,551 --> 00:05:03,762 of erotic didgeridoos. 112 00:05:03,803 --> 00:05:05,722 Why do you have didgeridoos? 113 00:05:05,764 --> 00:05:08,016 - Because of how erotic they are. 114 00:05:08,058 --> 00:05:09,768 - Right. - Boing. 115 00:05:09,809 --> 00:05:11,478 I'm trying to look younger. 116 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:14,022 Do you eat breakfast? 117 00:05:20,695 --> 00:05:22,155 - You know, spring semester I modeled 118 00:05:22,197 --> 00:05:23,531 for this flip-flop company, 119 00:05:23,573 --> 00:05:25,408 where I'd climb in the back of this guy's SUV, 120 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:28,661 and he'd photograph my feet in different kinds of sandals. 121 00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:30,330 It's a really exclusive brand. 122 00:05:30,372 --> 00:05:31,998 They don't have a physical store 123 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,127 or a catalog or a website... just that Lincoln Navigator. 124 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:45,345 Do you want to see me have a full-blown seizure? 125 00:05:45,387 --> 00:05:47,180 - What? 126 00:05:47,222 --> 00:05:49,683 I'm on the 14-day egg diet. 127 00:05:49,724 --> 00:05:52,268 This is how James Caan got in shape 128 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:54,187 for "Freebie and the Bean." 129 00:05:54,229 --> 00:05:56,398 - Get rid of it. 130 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:00,151 - Mm. 131 00:06:00,193 --> 00:06:01,903 Wait for me. 132 00:06:04,906 --> 00:06:07,325 - Wouldn't it be better if, instead of choosing models 133 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:09,369 using the current bizarre criteria, 134 00:06:09,411 --> 00:06:10,888 which, frankly, means most of them look 135 00:06:10,912 --> 00:06:12,872 like literal aliens from scary space, 136 00:06:12,914 --> 00:06:15,917 we just chose people at random like jury duty. 137 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:17,752 - I agree. I do think that's worth exploring. 138 00:06:17,794 --> 00:06:19,587 It would definitely make it interesting. 139 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:21,881 - Imagine a hairy old man 140 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:24,217 in enormous Balenciaga shoes, 141 00:06:24,259 --> 00:06:26,302 a female pipe fitter 142 00:06:26,344 --> 00:06:29,764 who just had dental surgery smizing in the new Donna Karan. 143 00:06:29,806 --> 00:06:32,600 Wouldn't that be refreshing? - Completely, yes. 144 00:06:32,642 --> 00:06:34,242 - And because I feel like we're in a flow 145 00:06:34,269 --> 00:06:35,812 where you're agreeing with me, 146 00:06:35,854 --> 00:06:38,040 would you mind if I rant about the violence of the male gaze? 147 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:39,733 - Yeah, I would love to hear it. 148 00:06:39,774 --> 00:06:41,901 - And feel free to periodically chime in 149 00:06:41,943 --> 00:06:44,696 and say, amen, or, go off, queen, 150 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,281 whatever feels natural. 151 00:06:46,322 --> 00:06:47,615 - Right, okay. 152 00:06:47,657 --> 00:06:48,950 - Here I go. 153 00:06:48,992 --> 00:06:51,202 Men don't want these plastic waifs. 154 00:06:51,244 --> 00:06:54,748 We want a physically dominant version of ourselves. 155 00:06:54,789 --> 00:06:57,667 We want a woman with a big woolly shoulder bag 156 00:06:57,709 --> 00:07:00,712 and long COVID, who smells like hummus and coffee 157 00:07:00,754 --> 00:07:04,174 and has earrings that are sexy little wind chimes. 158 00:07:04,215 --> 00:07:06,593 - Mm. Amen. 159 00:07:06,634 --> 00:07:09,012 - We are all fortunate to live in a time... 160 00:07:09,054 --> 00:07:10,555 - What's that one about? 161 00:07:10,597 --> 00:07:13,475 - Oh, a family of scientists are kidnapped by time pirates. 162 00:07:13,516 --> 00:07:16,269 It's actually based on a real theory of special relativity. 163 00:07:16,311 --> 00:07:18,104 - Ooh, that sounds interesting. 164 00:07:18,146 --> 00:07:21,649 I'm reading another novel about the widows of Nova Scotia. 165 00:07:21,691 --> 00:07:23,860 - Oh, uh... 166 00:07:23,902 --> 00:07:25,820 Hey, has there been any progress 167 00:07:25,862 --> 00:07:27,614 in your husband's murder case? 168 00:07:27,655 --> 00:07:31,076 - Oh, I-I don't want to pester the police. 169 00:07:31,117 --> 00:07:32,285 They're probably busy 170 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:36,122 prepping for the St. Patrick's Day Parade. 171 00:07:36,164 --> 00:07:39,167 Dale loved parades. 172 00:07:39,209 --> 00:07:41,336 - How did you learn to walk in heels? 173 00:07:41,378 --> 00:07:44,798 - I actually took lessons, and that is a true story. 174 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:47,342 - Do you remember the key lesson? 175 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:49,761 - Yes. Don't sway your hips. 176 00:07:49,803 --> 00:07:50,929 - That's impossible for me, 177 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:53,640 because I have a naturally sassy pelvis. 178 00:07:53,682 --> 00:07:55,850 - So do I, and it proved to be an issue. 179 00:07:55,892 --> 00:07:58,061 - Now, you've said you don't enjoy getting asked 180 00:07:58,103 --> 00:08:00,897 basic questions like, "What are three items in your purse?" 181 00:08:00,939 --> 00:08:04,317 So I'll ask, Kaia, what have you done that nobody knows 182 00:08:04,359 --> 00:08:05,819 that you are most ashamed of? 183 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:09,447 And please be uncomfortably specific. 184 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,283 - Oh, my... - This is a safe space. 185 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:16,246 - Safe space. 186 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:19,082 - Um, the three items in my purse, uh, are... 187 00:08:22,877 --> 00:08:25,005 - Didn't your daughter try to get an internship here? 188 00:08:25,046 --> 00:08:27,841 - Yeah. She really loves journalism. 189 00:08:27,882 --> 00:08:30,385 - And then this dude got it? - 14... 190 00:08:30,427 --> 00:08:34,014 - Yeah, supposedly his parents made this big gift 191 00:08:34,055 --> 00:08:36,474 to NPR after he was put on academic probation 192 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:37,892 at Florida State. 193 00:08:37,934 --> 00:08:39,602 - That stinks. - Whoo! 194 00:08:39,644 --> 00:08:42,188 - Oh, Beth understands. 195 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:44,357 - What's your relationship to showers? 196 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:46,026 - I love crying in the shower. 197 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:48,862 When you don't know what's tears and what's water, 198 00:08:48,903 --> 00:08:50,530 that's one of my favorite things. 199 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:53,575 - It's like peeing in the bath. You can't tell what's what. 200 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:57,162 - Okay. 201 00:08:57,203 --> 00:08:59,083 - You know, it's funny you brought up bathrooms. 202 00:08:59,122 --> 00:09:01,207 I-I don't normally talk about my street activism, 203 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:03,835 but this morning I invited an unhoused man 204 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:05,795 to use our studio restroom. 205 00:09:07,255 --> 00:09:08,214 - Great. 206 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:10,884 - Should I go off? - Yes, go off. 207 00:09:10,925 --> 00:09:13,011 - Go off who? 208 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:15,096 - Go off, queen. 209 00:09:15,138 --> 00:09:18,016 - Boing. Do you like funerals? 210 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:21,144 - Um... 211 00:09:21,186 --> 00:09:22,729 no. 212 00:09:22,771 --> 00:09:25,690 - Is there someone in our restroom right now? 213 00:09:25,732 --> 00:09:27,901 - Mm-hmm. 214 00:09:27,942 --> 00:09:30,737 - Oh, so what did everybody think? 215 00:09:30,779 --> 00:09:33,073 - Amazing. - Mm, yeah. 216 00:09:33,114 --> 00:09:35,450 - I'm a bit of a health freak myself. 217 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:38,912 Twice a week, I do water reiki down at the Y. 218 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:41,373 - Yeah. Workout classes slap. 219 00:09:41,414 --> 00:09:42,749 - It's not a class. 220 00:09:42,791 --> 00:09:45,001 It's just something I do to people in the pool. 221 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:46,419 - Huh. 222 00:09:46,461 --> 00:09:49,506 - And what did you think of the interview, Miss Fabian? 223 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:54,302 - "A tone-deaf duet by two skeletal narcissists, 224 00:09:54,344 --> 00:09:57,389 emphasis on the 'cis, ' #CancellnTheKnow." 225 00:09:57,430 --> 00:10:00,433 - Did you tweet that from the official show account? 226 00:10:00,475 --> 00:10:02,143 - Yeah. 227 00:10:02,185 --> 00:10:05,563 - Great interview, Lauren. - No, it's a team effort. 228 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:07,065 I'm merely the big daddy. 229 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:08,900 - Oh, I also wanted to let everyone know 230 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,611 that that homeless gentleman is still in the bathroom. 231 00:10:11,653 --> 00:10:12,696 - Oh, Barb. - Huh? 232 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:14,614 - That is hate speech. 233 00:10:14,656 --> 00:10:16,741 He is an unhoused person. 234 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:18,284 - Actually, the preferred term is 235 00:10:18,326 --> 00:10:20,620 "person who is currently without housing." 236 00:10:20,662 --> 00:10:21,621 - No, I don't think so. 237 00:10:21,663 --> 00:10:23,123 Are you sure? - Yes. 238 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:24,499 - Oh, I'm sorry. 239 00:10:24,541 --> 00:10:26,626 I'm really very empathetic to the man's situation. 240 00:10:26,668 --> 00:10:28,378 I volunteer at a homeless shelter... 241 00:10:28,420 --> 00:10:31,548 - Ah, ah, no, you volunteer at an unhoused shelter. 242 00:10:31,589 --> 00:10:34,884 - A shelter for persons currently without housing. 243 00:10:34,926 --> 00:10:36,761 - Well, it just feels very clunky. 244 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:38,847 - Oh, I'm sorry, is it too inconvenient 245 00:10:38,888 --> 00:10:41,808 to treat vulnerable populations with respect? 246 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:43,143 - How dare you? 247 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:45,061 I was using the term Inuit back in the '90s. 248 00:10:45,103 --> 00:10:47,022 I've been spelling "womyn" with a Y 249 00:10:47,063 --> 00:10:49,149 since before I could spell my name. 250 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:51,210 - Either way, until he leaves, everyone on the floor 251 00:10:51,234 --> 00:10:53,403 will have to use the Starbucks down the street. 252 00:10:53,445 --> 00:10:54,863 - And maybe that will teach us 253 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:57,323 about the lack of water closets in this country. 254 00:10:57,365 --> 00:11:00,994 May I remind you all that this is public radio? 255 00:11:01,036 --> 00:11:04,080 Let us urinate and do all other washroom "shamefuls" 256 00:11:04,122 --> 00:11:07,167 in solidarity with our unhoused brothers and sisters. 257 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:09,044 - Brothers, sisters, and nonbinary siblings 258 00:11:09,085 --> 00:11:11,004 currently without housing. - God damn it! 259 00:11:15,592 --> 00:11:17,552 - I'm proud of you all. 260 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:19,179 We aren't just holding our urine, 261 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:21,806 we're holding space for the forgotten 262 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:23,975 and supposedly hideous among us. 263 00:11:24,017 --> 00:11:25,828 - We're going to have to find 264 00:11:25,852 --> 00:11:27,145 a new place to take a leak. 265 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:29,481 That Starbucks has bad vibes. 266 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:31,066 - What does that mean? 267 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:33,044 - They accused Sandy of stealing an egg. 268 00:11:33,068 --> 00:11:35,028 - Did you steal an egg? 269 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:37,447 Sandy? 270 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:41,868 The manager said 271 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:44,412 no more public-radio people. - Great. 272 00:11:44,454 --> 00:11:46,831 - There's another Starbucks eight blocks further down. 273 00:11:46,873 --> 00:11:48,875 Go for it. - No, you go. 274 00:11:48,917 --> 00:11:51,461 I don't want you getting another men's UTI. 275 00:11:51,503 --> 00:11:52,712 - Oh. Thanks, Barb. 276 00:11:52,754 --> 00:11:54,440 I'll get the guy in the bathroom a sandwich. 277 00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:57,300 - No, Carl, I-I know you're trying to do what's best, 278 00:11:57,342 --> 00:11:59,844 but we can't presume to know what this man wants. 279 00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:01,346 - I could ask him. 280 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:03,181 - Oh, so it's this man's responsibility 281 00:12:03,223 --> 00:12:05,517 to teach us what persons currently without housing 282 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:06,851 like to eat? 283 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:08,937 Do the work, Barb. 284 00:12:08,978 --> 00:12:11,356 - I could give him money. - Jesus Chri... 285 00:12:11,398 --> 00:12:13,376 I mean, Barb, what is this craven obsession with money? 286 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,734 - Wow. 287 00:12:14,776 --> 00:12:16,277 - And you wonder why you're miserable. 288 00:12:16,319 --> 00:12:18,488 - I'm pretty happy, all things considered. 289 00:12:18,530 --> 00:12:20,031 - I'll be back in 15. 290 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:23,702 - Uh, Carl, I'm sorry, but we need to tape Sandy's segment 291 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:25,161 if we want to stay on schedule. 292 00:12:25,203 --> 00:12:27,205 Can you stay? - Lauren. 293 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:30,375 - It's okay, Barb. I'll manage. 294 00:12:30,417 --> 00:12:32,460 - And that, ladies and gentlemen, 295 00:12:32,502 --> 00:12:35,130 is why Carl and I are best friends. 296 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:41,261 - Season's greetings, movie mavens. 297 00:12:41,302 --> 00:12:44,681 It's time for another edition of "Candid Culture," 298 00:12:44,723 --> 00:12:47,142 with me, Sandy Cooter. 299 00:12:47,183 --> 00:12:49,185 - If you need to go, I can cover. 300 00:12:49,227 --> 00:12:50,311 - I'm okay. 301 00:12:50,353 --> 00:12:52,814 It helps if I focus on something else. 302 00:12:52,856 --> 00:12:55,108 - Today I'll be sharing my views 303 00:12:55,150 --> 00:12:59,279 on the Andrew Samberg romp, "Palm Springs." 304 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,531 - Didn't you tell him to review more recent movies? 305 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:04,075 - He says he likes to watch a film once with the sound off 306 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:06,578 and once with his eyes closed and then wait two years 307 00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:09,748 for his ideas to "simmer like a creole gumbo." 308 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:13,293 - I-I'm afraid Mr. Samberg's talents 309 00:13:13,335 --> 00:13:17,172 are better suited for skits such as "Dick in a Box," 310 00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:20,759 which I loved, than a major motion picture. 311 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,554 The mind spins to think what a talent like Dick Gregory 312 00:13:24,596 --> 00:13:27,599 could have done with a role like this. 313 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,437 We miss you, Dick. We wish you weren't in a box. 314 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,956 You can't have a serious conversation about beauty 315 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:54,209 without America's foremost expert. 316 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:56,211 One of the stars of "Queer Eye," 317 00:13:56,252 --> 00:13:58,463 they're a hair guru, a raconteur, 318 00:13:58,505 --> 00:14:02,842 and self-described "Malcolm X of the gay community." 319 00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:05,720 Jonathan Van Ness, welcome to "In the Know." 320 00:14:05,762 --> 00:14:10,308 - Um, "self-described Malcolm X of the gay community"? 321 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:12,352 - That's what our researcher Fabian said. 322 00:14:12,394 --> 00:14:13,895 Is that incorrect? 323 00:14:13,937 --> 00:14:15,814 - I-I typically go for, like, a diva. 324 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,148 - Huh. 325 00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:18,983 - Give me, like, a Whitney. Give me a Taylor. 326 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:20,652 Give me a Mariah. - Mm. 327 00:14:20,694 --> 00:14:22,028 I've just never been described 328 00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:24,239 of a Malcolm X of anything before, but I'm obsessed. 329 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,491 - Jonathan, what I love about your show "Queer Eye" 330 00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:28,535 is that you're taking rightful revenge 331 00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:32,455 against heterosexual society by erasing straight identities. 332 00:14:32,497 --> 00:14:34,582 It's sort of a conversion camp in reverse, 333 00:14:34,624 --> 00:14:37,711 a physically imposing five-person platoon 334 00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:39,337 thunders into the hetero's home 335 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:41,506 and tells them to change everything about themselves, 336 00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:44,342 or they'll never be loved, and I think it's just wonderful. 337 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,886 - Yeah, we actually edit out the boxing matches. 338 00:14:46,928 --> 00:14:48,847 - Mm. - Like, we actually... we also... 339 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,181 No, we do that. 340 00:14:50,223 --> 00:14:51,808 Like, if they don't conform fast enough, 341 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:54,686 like, we go off camera, and we just beat the shit out of them, 342 00:14:54,728 --> 00:14:56,312 all five of us. - Mm. 343 00:14:56,354 --> 00:15:00,442 Do you ever show up at one of these dirty "strogres'" homes, 344 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:03,653 and it's just some dopey pig with a Bowflex 345 00:15:03,695 --> 00:15:05,405 and a deer head on the wall? 346 00:15:05,447 --> 00:15:07,758 Do you ever think, well, I'm sorry, but he's beyond saving, 347 00:15:07,782 --> 00:15:11,036 let's just leave this dopey pig in his filth? 348 00:15:11,077 --> 00:15:14,164 - Um, we have never really had, 349 00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,041 like, a "dopey"... 350 00:15:16,082 --> 00:15:17,584 Like, no, like, all of them... 351 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:20,211 I think really everyone at their core 352 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,881 is, like, a sweet, good person. 353 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:26,051 - Mm. And what do you think about the word "strogre"? 354 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:27,552 Do you think it can catch on? 355 00:15:27,594 --> 00:15:29,346 It's a slur I've been workshopping. 356 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:33,058 It's a combination of the word "straight" and "ogre." 357 00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,601 - It's giving me, like, 358 00:15:34,642 --> 00:15:36,978 something that you would tune a cello with. 359 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:39,189 - Mm. - It's not giving me a read. 360 00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:41,191 It's giving me forced. 361 00:15:41,232 --> 00:15:43,151 And you know JLo just said... - Who's that? 362 00:15:43,193 --> 00:15:44,861 - Jennifer Lopez, obviously. 363 00:15:44,903 --> 00:15:47,405 - I'm not familiar. Is she a victim of wage theft? 364 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:48,990 - Oh, honey. 365 00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:50,700 But she said her third best advice 366 00:15:50,742 --> 00:15:52,744 that she got on this, like, "Vogue" thing I saw 367 00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:54,079 was, like, don't force it. 368 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,372 And "strogre" feels forced. 369 00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:58,541 - Mm. Thank you for your honest feedback. 370 00:15:58,583 --> 00:16:01,711 It hurts like hell, but I'm going to bravely power on. 371 00:16:01,753 --> 00:16:04,255 Jonathan, what is your position 372 00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:05,965 on those Rastafarian hats 373 00:16:06,007 --> 00:16:07,717 with the fake dreadlocks attached? 374 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,012 Is that a fashion do or a fashion don't? 375 00:16:11,054 --> 00:16:12,597 - Uh... 376 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:15,100 - I tried to mix up my style a few years ago. 377 00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:16,976 I wore a bolo tie to work. 378 00:16:17,018 --> 00:16:19,187 I immediately regretted it, but I couldn't take it off 379 00:16:19,229 --> 00:16:21,147 because people would notice I removed it. 380 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:23,900 It was a kind of hell. 381 00:16:23,942 --> 00:16:26,778 - Oh, a woman my age shouldn't have to worry about style. 382 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:28,113 I always tell my hairdresser, 383 00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:31,074 just try to make my head look invisible. 384 00:16:31,116 --> 00:16:32,617 - I think you look great. 385 00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:33,868 - Oh. 386 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:35,662 - Me too. 387 00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:38,790 I'd totally smash... for real, Barb. 388 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:42,168 Thank... thank you. 389 00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:43,878 - You too, Carl. 390 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,380 - Hey. 391 00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:49,676 - I'm going to go check on the gentleman in the bathroom. 392 00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:51,219 - Good idea. 393 00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:54,431 - I'm technically dating a het cis woman also named Lauren, 394 00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:56,474 but we don't have penetrative sex 395 00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:58,309 because I do find it problematic. 396 00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,270 But we do... - That's called sideways. 397 00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:01,896 - What's sideways? 398 00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:04,024 - When you, like, don't want to do penetrative sex 399 00:17:04,065 --> 00:17:06,026 in your booty holes or vaginas. 400 00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:07,318 - Well, we do engage 401 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:09,404 in what I like to call "rough spooning." 402 00:17:09,446 --> 00:17:11,489 And she outweighs me by about 50 pounds, 403 00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:13,158 so we have a pretty complicated 404 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:14,492 sexual power dynamic. 405 00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,786 She throws me around like a little bag of sand. 406 00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:18,663 - I love that. It's hot. 407 00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:22,167 - I like to think of myself as a sapiosexual. 408 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:24,127 I'm sexually attracted to ideas. 409 00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:26,212 Do you think that that should be given 410 00:17:26,254 --> 00:17:28,840 more space in the conversation, 411 00:17:28,882 --> 00:17:31,468 specifically ours that we're having right now? 412 00:17:31,509 --> 00:17:33,094 - Yeah, I think people absolutely... 413 00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:34,804 I think that's absolutely a thing. 414 00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:38,516 - I once got an erection from reading Plato's "The Cave." 415 00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:41,353 - Do you have a therapist? 416 00:17:45,523 --> 00:17:47,442 - Oh, shit, is that a skunk? 417 00:17:47,484 --> 00:17:49,944 - You can't look at someone's pet cam 418 00:17:49,986 --> 00:17:52,530 without the consent of the caregiver and the pet. 419 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,449 - That's your pet? 420 00:17:54,491 --> 00:17:56,701 Awesome. 421 00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:58,161 - Her name is Bertie. 422 00:17:58,203 --> 00:18:00,038 I rescued her from the streets. 423 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,415 She was literally eating trash. 424 00:18:02,457 --> 00:18:04,626 She's my chosen family. 425 00:18:04,668 --> 00:18:06,961 - Does giving someone's life a makeover 426 00:18:07,003 --> 00:18:09,714 sometimes work against the goal of self-acceptance. 427 00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:12,258 How do you marry those two together? 428 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,511 - Yeah, I think... That's a good question. 429 00:18:14,552 --> 00:18:17,555 I don't think that those are, like, binary. 430 00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:20,600 Um, I think that there's ways for us to, like, explore... 431 00:18:20,642 --> 00:18:21,893 - Aah. 432 00:18:21,935 --> 00:18:23,895 Have you lost your God-fearing Midwestern mind? 433 00:18:23,937 --> 00:18:25,647 I am mid-interview. 434 00:18:25,689 --> 00:18:27,273 I'm sorry, Lauren. 435 00:18:27,315 --> 00:18:29,567 I'm just worried about our unhoused friend. 436 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:32,070 He's not responding when I knock. 437 00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:33,571 He... he could be sick. 438 00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:35,615 - And I suppose you get to decide who's sick, 439 00:18:35,657 --> 00:18:36,950 Nurse Ratchet. 440 00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:39,244 - Oh, Ken Kesey once showed me an early draft 441 00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:41,204 of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," 442 00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:42,580 when it was still called 443 00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:45,834 "Untitled Mental Hospital Comedy." 444 00:18:48,211 --> 00:18:50,171 - My God. 445 00:18:50,213 --> 00:18:53,091 You called in your goons. - That's Terry. 446 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:54,759 He's the maintenance supervisor. 447 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,429 He's got a bathroom key, and he knows CPR. 448 00:18:57,470 --> 00:19:00,348 - What's next... the police? 449 00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:03,309 You want to tear-gas this man? - Well, no, I... 450 00:19:03,351 --> 00:19:05,854 - Why do the police need a tank, Barb? 451 00:19:05,895 --> 00:19:07,564 Tell me. - I-I don't know. 452 00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:10,025 - Answer her question, Barb. Why do the police need a tank? 453 00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:11,585 - Answer my question, Barb. - I don't know. 454 00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:13,153 - You want to tear-gas this man? 455 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:14,154 - Oh, no. No. - With a tank? 456 00:19:14,195 --> 00:19:15,572 - You want a tank full of tear gas? 457 00:19:15,613 --> 00:19:17,157 - No. - She's foaming at the mouth. 458 00:19:17,198 --> 00:19:18,658 - Let me be absolutely clear. 459 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,661 No one will disturb that precious unhoused man. 460 00:19:21,703 --> 00:19:25,123 And if they do, I will personally call them out 461 00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:28,460 live on air in front of millions. 462 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:30,295 - We average 30,000 listeners. 463 00:19:30,337 --> 00:19:32,630 - We're done here. 464 00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,800 - Tell me what democracy looks like. 465 00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,720 - This is what democracy looks like. 466 00:19:41,723 --> 00:19:44,225 - be a matter of, like, not accepting yourself. 467 00:19:44,267 --> 00:19:47,062 I think it's really more of a matter of, like, exploration 468 00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:50,148 and finding what makes you feel the most embodied. 469 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:52,317 - Mm. I'm sorry. I missed most of that. 470 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,652 I was saving a man's life. 471 00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,613 - Who... Just now? 472 00:19:56,654 --> 00:19:57,822 - Yeah. 473 00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,533 There's an unhoused man who is currently... 474 00:20:00,575 --> 00:20:02,494 - A person who's experiencing homelessness? 475 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:05,372 - Fucking... I mean, that's the least of their... 476 00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:08,750 I have one final question. 477 00:20:08,792 --> 00:20:09,876 - Okay. 478 00:20:09,918 --> 00:20:12,420 - Is being a body-positivity icon... 479 00:20:12,462 --> 00:20:14,547 is it a bit like being a climate-change denier, 480 00:20:14,589 --> 00:20:17,008 in... in that you have to ignore your problem areas 481 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:19,844 much like America ignores ours? 482 00:20:19,886 --> 00:20:24,224 - No, because I think that the idea of the problem area 483 00:20:24,265 --> 00:20:26,017 is, like, a figment of our imagination. 484 00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:27,394 Like, there is no such thing. 485 00:20:27,435 --> 00:20:30,313 - What if you have hyperintense localized eczema 486 00:20:30,355 --> 00:20:31,731 on your lower back? 487 00:20:31,773 --> 00:20:35,360 - I get it, and you're still gorgeous and fuckable. 488 00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:37,028 - Did you just say I was fuckable? 489 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:38,863 - Everyone is gorgeous and fuckable. 490 00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,366 As long as you're, like, consenting adults, honey... 491 00:20:41,408 --> 00:20:43,201 You're fuckable. 492 00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:44,744 - And that, my dear friend, 493 00:20:44,786 --> 00:20:48,039 is why you're the Malcolm X of the gay community. 494 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,624 - Thank you. 495 00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:51,626 - And that is our show. 496 00:20:51,668 --> 00:20:55,255 In conclusion, I'd like to take a moment of silence. 497 00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:56,715 There are unhoused people 498 00:20:56,756 --> 00:20:59,551 in bathrooms all over this country. 499 00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:02,804 Let's take a pause to listen to them. 500 00:21:04,848 --> 00:21:07,600 Not literal... not literally, obviously. 501 00:21:07,642 --> 00:21:09,769 They deserve privacy in the bathroom. 502 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,153 And that, my dear friends, 503 00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:19,446 is the ball game. 504 00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:21,531 Chase, my kombucha, please. 505 00:21:21,573 --> 00:21:24,576 - Oh, shit, pretty sure I gave the last one to Kevin. 506 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,703 - Who's Kevin? - Dude in the bathroom. 507 00:21:26,745 --> 00:21:28,496 You want some of my power jerky, though? 508 00:21:28,538 --> 00:21:29,706 It's a pork byproduct 509 00:21:29,748 --> 00:21:31,750 dusted with a very gentle strain of cocaine. 510 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:35,628 - Chase, my post-show kombucha isn't just a treat. 511 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:37,714 It's a prescription-strength blend 512 00:21:37,756 --> 00:21:39,883 of yeast and bacteria cultures. 513 00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,484 - The only cultures you seem to respect. 514 00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:43,219 - This is terrible. 515 00:21:43,261 --> 00:21:44,971 - Are you okay, Lauren? 516 00:21:45,013 --> 00:21:48,058 - My bowels are a delicately constructed Swiss clock, 517 00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:52,479 and the smallest irregularity can trigger the end of time. 518 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,814 Everyone out of the way. I need to get to the bathroom. 519 00:21:54,856 --> 00:21:56,733 - The bathroom's occupied, remember? 520 00:21:56,775 --> 00:21:59,527 - Good God, the unhoused man. 521 00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:01,529 - The person currently without... 522 00:22:01,571 --> 00:22:03,573 - I don't have time! 523 00:22:03,615 --> 00:22:06,493 Oh, no. 524 00:22:06,534 --> 00:22:09,621 Oh. 525 00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:13,750 Chase, I'm panicking. 526 00:22:13,792 --> 00:22:16,169 You're going to have to carry me to the Starbucks. 527 00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:19,089 I-I can't walk and focus on not going to the restroom 528 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:20,757 in my pants at the same time. 529 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:21,758 - No way, my guy. 530 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,426 I'm not carrying you eight blocks 531 00:22:23,468 --> 00:22:24,886 while you shit your pants. 532 00:22:24,928 --> 00:22:26,971 - You want Terry to ask the homeless guy to leave? 533 00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:28,306 - No, I'm fine. 534 00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:30,684 It's as much his bathroom as it is mine. 535 00:22:40,819 --> 00:22:45,240 Could... could I have the studio, please? 536 00:22:45,281 --> 00:22:46,783 - Gross. 537 00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:49,077 - God damn it, that's my equipment closet. 538 00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:53,873 I got to walk to the damn Starbucks. 539 00:22:59,462 --> 00:23:01,047 - Knock, knock. 540 00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:03,133 Lauren, it's Barb. 541 00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:06,803 I brought you some essentials. 542 00:23:06,845 --> 00:23:09,180 If you need anything else, I'll be... 543 00:23:09,222 --> 00:23:12,851 - Get out of here! Get out of here! 544 00:23:14,602 --> 00:23:17,063 Oh, good God! 545 00:23:20,025 --> 00:23:22,777 - Room for one more? - Barb! 546 00:23:38,001 --> 00:23:40,128 - I'm reading this fascinating... 547 00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:41,713 - Shut up! 548 00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:47,719 - Mm. 549 00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:50,305 Ah. Ooh. 550 00:23:50,347 --> 00:23:53,099 Yes, ouch. 551 00:23:53,141 --> 00:23:56,728 Mm, interesting. 552 00:23:56,770 --> 00:23:58,897 Mm, yes. 553 00:23:58,938 --> 00:24:00,648 Lauren! 554 00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:03,526 [upbeat music playing on headphones] 555 00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,365 I hate that guy. 556 00:24:08,415 --> 00:24:12,965 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 41762

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