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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,444 --> 00:00:07,691 Previously on The West Wing: 2 00:00:07,864 --> 00:00:09,658 He's a Republican lawyer. Turns out... 3 00:00:09,827 --> 00:00:12,368 ...he's on Government Oversight. - You can't see him. 4 00:00:12,583 --> 00:00:15,338 Political reporters don't care about the scope of inquiry. 5 00:00:15,506 --> 00:00:19,259 We're not gonna get anywhere putting on a calm face. We need to pick a fight. 6 00:00:19,473 --> 00:00:22,228 - Hoynes put a poll in the field. - A trip to New Hampshire? 7 00:00:22,396 --> 00:00:24,557 - High-tech corridor of the Northeast. - Thanks to who? 8 00:00:24,776 --> 00:00:27,615 What does that matter right now? 9 00:00:30,873 --> 00:00:33,581 Third down and 12, 45 seconds to go. 10 00:00:33,755 --> 00:00:35,750 Whitmeyer has the ball on the right side... 11 00:00:35,926 --> 00:00:38,301 ... and immediately stops for a 2-yard loss... 12 00:00:59,687 --> 00:01:02,561 - Okay. - Do we know what kind of gun it was? 13 00:01:02,736 --> 00:01:04,018 - Which gun? - The first gun. 14 00:01:04,197 --> 00:01:05,777 It was a.38 pistol. 15 00:01:05,951 --> 00:01:09,205 Okay, here are a few confirmations and a few more details. 16 00:01:09,375 --> 00:01:13,627 The shooting took place approximately 15 minutes into the 9:00 service... 17 00:01:13,802 --> 00:01:17,009 ...at United Baptist Church in Abilene, Texas. 18 00:01:17,184 --> 00:01:19,060 Will Sawyer, is that you? 19 00:01:19,230 --> 00:01:20,263 Yes. 20 00:01:20,483 --> 00:01:21,979 - You back in the country? - Yeah. 21 00:01:22,154 --> 00:01:24,944 - Work for the San Francisco Chronicle? - No. 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,405 Then you wanna get your ass out of their chair? 23 00:01:27,582 --> 00:01:28,959 There's assigned seating? 24 00:01:29,169 --> 00:01:32,090 See the little brass plaques with the names of media outlets? 25 00:01:32,259 --> 00:01:34,468 I thought that meant they made a contribution. 26 00:01:34,681 --> 00:01:36,142 Find a seat in back. 27 00:01:36,310 --> 00:01:38,804 Fifteen minutes into the service, Daryl Bechtell... 28 00:01:38,983 --> 00:01:41,987 ...B- E-C-H-T-E-L-L, walked into the sanctuary. 29 00:01:42,156 --> 00:01:45,446 Reports indicate he was looking for his estranged wife. 30 00:01:45,622 --> 00:01:47,950 He fired off a round that was from the.38... 31 00:01:48,128 --> 00:01:52,344 ...missing his wife and hitting Harold Winter in the left shoulder. 32 00:01:52,513 --> 00:01:55,303 Mr. Winter is 65 and currently undergoing surgery... 33 00:01:55,477 --> 00:01:57,306 ...at Abilene Regional Medical Center. 34 00:01:57,524 --> 00:02:01,312 Mr. Bechtell fired off anywhere between two and four more rounds at that point. 35 00:02:01,491 --> 00:02:03,819 Reports differ as the crowd began to scatter. 36 00:02:03,996 --> 00:02:07,334 Then Ron Cahrl pulled a 9mm Glock from under his suit coat... 37 00:02:07,504 --> 00:02:10,509 ...and fired off three rounds in the direction of Mr. Bechtell. 38 00:02:10,678 --> 00:02:13,136 It's unclear which round struck Melissa Markey. 39 00:02:13,309 --> 00:02:15,933 - Confirmation on her age? - She'll be 9 tomorrow. 40 00:02:16,148 --> 00:02:19,652 Can you speak to what Daryl Bechtell or Ron Cahrl might be charged with? 41 00:02:19,823 --> 00:02:22,032 The Abilene Sheriff's Office will address that. 44 00:02:27,883 --> 00:02:30,757 Doesn't Texas law prohibit weapons in a church or synagogue? 45 00:02:30,931 --> 00:02:33,140 I'll let the sheriff's office speak to that... 46 00:02:33,311 --> 00:02:37,813 ...but I'll say that it only prohibits it if they post the prohibition in plain sight. 47 00:02:37,988 --> 00:02:40,316 - C. J... . - Hang on. 48 00:02:42,916 --> 00:02:44,328 Well... 49 00:02:44,503 --> 00:02:46,712 ...Melissa Markey died. 50 00:03:37,537 --> 00:03:40,791 If you don't understand a question, say so, and they'll repeat it... 51 00:03:40,961 --> 00:03:42,541 ...or they'll rephrase it. - Yeah. 52 00:03:42,715 --> 00:03:44,591 It's okay to not understand a question. 53 00:03:44,761 --> 00:03:47,434 - It's okay to say,"I don't recall." - I appreciate this. 54 00:03:48,102 --> 00:03:50,679 Yeah. Don't you want to go over this with Josh? 55 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:52,526 - He's pissed at me. - No, he's not. 56 00:03:52,737 --> 00:03:54,982 - He's... Yeah, he is. - He didn't say anything. 57 00:03:55,201 --> 00:03:57,113 - He doesn't say anything. - All right. 58 00:03:57,289 --> 00:03:59,083 Anyway, I appreciate this. 59 00:03:59,878 --> 00:04:01,957 Charlie, hang on a second. 60 00:04:02,718 --> 00:04:06,387 You're gonna be sitting in a room. It'll feel like you did something wrong... 61 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,806 ...but guess what. - What? 62 00:04:07,979 --> 00:04:09,808 - You didn't. So... . - Yeah. 63 00:04:10,026 --> 00:04:11,403 - You got a cab? - Yeah. 64 00:04:11,612 --> 00:04:13,358 - Come back when it's over. - Thanks. 65 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:16,288 - You make a pick? - Oakland over Dallas. 66 00:04:16,665 --> 00:04:18,910 - It's a lock. - Okay. 67 00:04:19,087 --> 00:04:21,712 Everybody wants to keep Oakland down the road... 68 00:04:21,885 --> 00:04:24,426 ...but I'm not as impressed with the preseason hype. 69 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,144 You pick the Raiders at home... 70 00:04:26,312 --> 00:04:29,020 ...and bank on them not being a favorite in the playoffs. 71 00:04:29,193 --> 00:04:29,815 Okay. 72 00:04:29,815 --> 00:04:30,598 Okay. 73 00:04:30,776 --> 00:04:33,400 - Should I take Tennessee over Detroit? - I didn't say that. 74 00:04:33,574 --> 00:04:35,367 - You said it with your eyes. - Okay. 75 00:04:35,536 --> 00:04:38,209 - I'll take Tennessee over Detroit. - I'm writing it down. 76 00:04:38,376 --> 00:04:40,952 Write it down. Wait, no, give me Oakland over Dallas. 77 00:04:41,132 --> 00:04:43,044 - Okay. - Make it New Orleans over Atlanta. 78 00:04:43,220 --> 00:04:45,131 - The game's about to start. - New Orleans. 79 00:04:45,308 --> 00:04:47,219 - I'm writing it down. - Write it down. 80 00:04:47,396 --> 00:04:48,940 - Good afternoon. - Hi, Charlie. 81 00:04:49,108 --> 00:04:50,569 - How was church? - It was fine. 82 00:04:50,737 --> 00:04:52,482 - Stop it. - It sucked. 83 00:04:52,658 --> 00:04:55,366 - You're talking about church. - I'm already going to hell. 84 00:04:55,539 --> 00:04:58,377 - What was the problem? - He feels the homily lacked panache. 85 00:04:58,546 --> 00:05:00,956 - It did. - It was a perfectly lovely homily... 86 00:05:01,135 --> 00:05:02,880 ...on Ephesians 5:21. 87 00:05:03,056 --> 00:05:06,144 Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church... 88 00:05:06,313 --> 00:05:07,939 ...and gave himself up for her. 89 00:05:08,150 --> 00:05:11,939 She's skipping the part that says, "Wives, be subject to your husbands. 90 00:05:12,117 --> 00:05:15,621 The husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church." 91 00:05:15,792 --> 00:05:17,253 - I do skip that part. - Why? 92 00:05:17,421 --> 00:05:18,703 - Because it's stupid. - Okay. 93 00:05:18,924 --> 00:05:21,133 Husbands, love your wives... 94 00:05:21,304 --> 00:05:25,009 ...as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her... 95 00:05:25,188 --> 00:05:27,896 ...that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her... 96 00:05:28,069 --> 00:05:30,361 ...by washing of water with the word... 97 00:05:30,575 --> 00:05:34,328 ...that he might present the church to himself in something. 98 00:05:34,542 --> 00:05:36,751 In splendor. And I have no problem with it. 99 00:05:36,922 --> 00:05:40,627 Anytime you want me to cleanse you with the washing of water, I'm up for it. 100 00:05:40,848 --> 00:05:43,342 - Then what is your problem? - Hackery! He was a hack. 101 00:05:43,562 --> 00:05:45,474 He had a captive audience. I know... 102 00:05:45,650 --> 00:05:47,859 ...because I tried to tunnel out several times. 103 00:05:48,030 --> 00:05:50,072 He didn't know what to do. 104 00:05:50,243 --> 00:05:52,369 - Want him to sing"Volare"? - Couldn't hurt. 105 00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:53,573 - Words... - Oh, God. 106 00:05:53,751 --> 00:05:56,424 Words, when spoken out loud for performance, are music. 107 00:05:56,591 --> 00:05:59,049 They have rhythm and pitch and timbre and volume. 108 00:05:59,222 --> 00:06:02,642 These are properties of music. Music has the ability to find us... 109 00:06:02,813 --> 00:06:05,486 ...and lift us up in ways that literal meaning can't. 110 00:06:05,653 --> 00:06:08,408 - Do you see? - You are an oratorical snob. 111 00:06:08,576 --> 00:06:09,988 Yes, and God loves me for it. 112 00:06:10,163 --> 00:06:12,835 - You said he was sending you to hell. - Not for this. 113 00:06:13,044 --> 00:06:15,538 You can't just trot out Ephesians, which he blew. 114 00:06:15,717 --> 00:06:18,674 It has nothing to do with husbands and wives, it's all of us. 115 00:06:18,849 --> 00:06:23,065 St. Paul begins,"Be subject to one another out of reverence to Christ." 116 00:06:23,275 --> 00:06:25,069 Be subject to one another. 117 00:06:25,238 --> 00:06:28,028 In this age of 24-hour cable crap devoted... 118 00:06:28,244 --> 00:06:32,116 ...to feeding the voyeuristic gluttony of an American public hooked on... 119 00:06:32,337 --> 00:06:35,258 ...a bad soap opera that's passing itself off as important... 120 00:06:35,427 --> 00:06:38,348 ...don't you think you could find some relevance in verse 21? 121 00:06:38,517 --> 00:06:41,605 How do we end the cycle? Be subject to one another. 122 00:06:41,816 --> 00:06:43,396 - This is about you. - No, it's not. 123 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:46,111 Yes, it is. But tomorrow it'll be about somebody else. 124 00:06:46,326 --> 00:06:48,202 We'll watch Larry King and see who. 125 00:06:48,414 --> 00:06:51,538 All hacks off the stage now. That's a national-security order. 126 00:06:51,713 --> 00:06:54,837 I'm going to the residence, taking a bath and turning on Sinatra. 127 00:06:55,054 --> 00:06:57,726 - How does Mrs. Sinatra feel about that? - Peace be with you. 128 00:07:00,023 --> 00:07:02,018 Good morning, Mr. President. 129 00:07:04,115 --> 00:07:06,491 He's feisty. Please, don't ask him about church. 130 00:07:06,663 --> 00:07:10,451 No, I won't. I'm sorry, Mr. President. Melissa Markey died. 131 00:07:13,553 --> 00:07:15,429 Yeah, okay. 132 00:07:17,311 --> 00:07:19,603 Oh, damn. 133 00:07:20,861 --> 00:07:22,820 - Charlie, can I see Leo? - Yes, sir. 134 00:07:22,991 --> 00:07:26,530 She lost too much blood at the scene, Jed, she didn't have a chance. 135 00:07:26,707 --> 00:07:28,369 Yeah. 136 00:07:29,505 --> 00:07:32,082 All right, I'll be over in the residence. 137 00:07:32,261 --> 00:07:35,052 - I gotta see Babish this afternoon. - Okay. 138 00:07:42,868 --> 00:07:45,077 When do you think I should go in there? 139 00:07:45,248 --> 00:07:48,502 I'd wait a couple of hours till we have some more facts. 140 00:07:48,673 --> 00:07:52,925 You'll talk to the sheriff's office and I guess, the DA. 141 00:07:53,099 --> 00:07:55,558 Yeah, but you don't want to walk too far into that. 142 00:07:55,730 --> 00:07:56,894 Yeah. 143 00:07:57,066 --> 00:07:58,396 - Good morning. - You heard? 144 00:07:58,569 --> 00:07:59,602 Yeah. 145 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:03,450 - C.J. thinks I should wait a few hours. - I would. 146 00:08:03,622 --> 00:08:05,498 - Okay. - Thank you, Mr. President. 147 00:08:05,710 --> 00:08:07,836 Be subject to one another, Leo. 148 00:08:08,007 --> 00:08:10,680 - What can I do to be of subject to you? - I'm fine. 149 00:08:10,847 --> 00:08:12,806 - Yeah? - I've got Margaret. 150 00:08:12,976 --> 00:08:14,009 Okay. 151 00:08:24,001 --> 00:08:26,245 I think you should send Hoynes to Texas. 152 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,048 - He's not gonna want to do it. - What do you care? 153 00:08:31,225 --> 00:08:33,719 - What are you doing today? - I'm meeting with Adamley. 154 00:08:33,939 --> 00:08:35,769 - What about? - He wants to talk to me... 155 00:08:35,944 --> 00:08:39,364 ...about the War Crimes Tribunal. - Keep me out of it, all right? 156 00:08:39,995 --> 00:08:42,037 You think I should send Hoynes to Texas? 157 00:08:43,001 --> 00:08:44,034 Yeah. 158 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:46,717 All right, get him over here. 159 00:08:46,927 --> 00:08:48,020 - Now? - Yeah. 160 00:08:48,849 --> 00:08:50,974 Thank you, Mr. President. 161 00:08:53,693 --> 00:08:55,819 This proceeding is known as a deposition. 162 00:08:56,032 --> 00:08:58,953 The person transcribing the deposition is a House reporter. 163 00:08:59,122 --> 00:09:01,914 You were sworn in by a notary public and are under oath. 164 00:09:02,088 --> 00:09:03,335 - Do you understand? - Yes. 165 00:09:03,550 --> 00:09:06,472 Because you are under oath, your testimony here today... 166 00:09:06,641 --> 00:09:09,600 ...has the same force and effect as if you were testifying... 167 00:09:09,774 --> 00:09:11,734 ...before the committee in a courtroom. 168 00:09:11,905 --> 00:09:13,151 - Do you understand? - Yes. 169 00:09:13,325 --> 00:09:16,663 This committee has authorization pursuant to House Resolution 173. 170 00:09:16,833 --> 00:09:19,327 My name is Clifford Calley. I'm majority counsel... 171 00:09:19,506 --> 00:09:21,798 ...for the House Oversight and Reform Committee. 172 00:09:21,971 --> 00:09:23,716 State your full name for the record. 173 00:09:23,933 --> 00:09:30,278 Donnatella Moss. D-O-N-N-A-T-E-L-L-A M-O-S-S. 174 00:09:30,492 --> 00:09:34,198 I'd like the record to show that I've met the witness socially on occasion... 175 00:09:34,376 --> 00:09:36,503 ...and without objection I'd like to proceed. 176 00:09:36,716 --> 00:09:38,212 - No objection. - Counsel? 177 00:09:38,428 --> 00:09:40,258 - No objection. - I'd like to express... 178 00:09:40,433 --> 00:09:42,927 ...our appreciation to you for appearing on a Sunday. 179 00:09:43,106 --> 00:09:45,815 Ms. Moss, are you here voluntarily or due to a subpoena? 180 00:09:46,030 --> 00:09:47,610 - A subpoena. - No need to thank me. 181 00:09:48,620 --> 00:09:50,699 Donna, this is gonna be easy, you can laugh. 182 00:09:50,875 --> 00:09:52,705 Were you asked to organize documents... 183 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,090 ...pursuant to this committee's investigation? 184 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:57,679 - Yes. - Would you describe how that worked? 185 00:09:57,851 --> 00:10:01,474 On instructions from Joshua Lyman and the White House Counsel's Office... 186 00:10:01,652 --> 00:10:04,027 ...I took over a storage room at the OEOB... 187 00:10:04,241 --> 00:10:08,114 ...and began sorting through inter-office and inter-departmental documents... 188 00:10:08,293 --> 00:10:10,704 ...both from the campaign and from the West Wing. 189 00:10:10,924 --> 00:10:14,346 - The campaign you're referring to is...? - Bartlet for America. 190 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,138 - How'd you guys do? - We won. 191 00:10:16,354 --> 00:10:18,766 My colleagues are gonna ask you some questions. 192 00:10:18,944 --> 00:10:20,821 Then we'll get back to me and finish up. 193 00:10:20,991 --> 00:10:23,033 - Okay. - Ms. Moss. 194 00:10:23,246 --> 00:10:25,159 - Do you keep a photo album? - No. 195 00:10:25,335 --> 00:10:27,247 - Okay, do you keep...? - I'm sorry. 196 00:10:27,465 --> 00:10:30,471 I keep photographs. I don't have them in an album. 197 00:10:30,682 --> 00:10:33,890 - Okay, do you keep a scrapbook? - No. 198 00:10:34,065 --> 00:10:36,774 Do you keep letters, notes or correspondence you receive? 199 00:10:36,989 --> 00:10:40,445 Sometimes a birthday card or a letter from my father. 200 00:10:40,622 --> 00:10:41,953 - Do you keep a diary? - No. 201 00:10:42,502 --> 00:10:45,258 Okay. Do you receive gifts from anyone who is currently...? 202 00:10:45,427 --> 00:10:47,338 I'm sorry. Hang on. 203 00:10:47,515 --> 00:10:49,594 Would you read that back? 204 00:10:50,021 --> 00:10:52,980 "Question: Do you keep a diary? Answer: No. 205 00:10:53,196 --> 00:10:55,654 Question: Okay, do you receive gifts from...?" 206 00:10:55,827 --> 00:10:58,702 Okay. Okay, go ahead. 207 00:10:58,876 --> 00:11:03,336 Do you receive gifts from anyone who is currently working at the White House? 208 00:11:20,762 --> 00:11:22,421 - How you doing? - Good. 209 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:25,177 - You're sitting in my chair. - It didn't have a plaque. 210 00:11:25,392 --> 00:11:26,850 - Oh, I've missed you. - Yeah. 211 00:11:27,017 --> 00:11:29,853 - Well, you've been gone three weeks. - Two and a half years. 212 00:11:30,063 --> 00:11:31,307 - Really? - Yes. 213 00:11:31,481 --> 00:11:35,145 - You were our man in Myanmar. - I got kicked out of Myanmar. 214 00:11:35,359 --> 00:11:38,194 Is there a third-world country that hasn't kicked you out? 215 00:11:38,362 --> 00:11:41,279 I've been kicked out of plenty of industrialized nations too. 216 00:11:41,490 --> 00:11:43,232 - Why'd they kick you out? - First... 217 00:11:43,449 --> 00:11:46,735 ...they didn't kick me out exactly. They love me in Myanmar. 218 00:11:46,911 --> 00:11:49,200 - What happened? - They put a bounty on my head. 219 00:11:50,832 --> 00:11:52,076 It's not funny. 220 00:11:52,250 --> 00:11:55,120 The Myanmarese government is built on narcotics trafficking. 221 00:11:55,294 --> 00:11:58,912 Myanmar, Thailand, Laos. I was this close to the story. 222 00:11:59,131 --> 00:12:01,704 - Yeah? - I had interviews with Peng Jiasheng... 223 00:12:01,926 --> 00:12:05,923 ...Pao Yuqiang, Li Zuru. I was tight with narco-barons. 224 00:12:06,096 --> 00:12:07,554 - Until? - The Myanmarese army... 225 00:12:07,722 --> 00:12:09,134 Put a bounty on your head? 226 00:12:09,307 --> 00:12:12,142 - How'd you know? - State Department came and got me. 227 00:12:12,352 --> 00:12:15,602 That had to be embarrassing in front of your narco-baron friends. 228 00:12:15,813 --> 00:12:17,438 Anyway... . 229 00:12:17,607 --> 00:12:19,764 I'm assigned to the White House Press Corps... 230 00:12:19,942 --> 00:12:23,061 ...until they can find me, you know, a reporting job. 231 00:12:23,237 --> 00:12:26,403 - No, no offense taken. - Thanks. 232 00:12:26,573 --> 00:12:29,029 - Why'd you wanna see me? - Have a quote for comment. 233 00:12:29,327 --> 00:12:30,986 - What is it? - Toby Ziegler says: 234 00:12:31,161 --> 00:12:35,028 "If the president wins reelection, it'll be on the vice president's coattails." 235 00:12:35,207 --> 00:12:38,410 If the president wins reelection, it'll be on the vice president's coattails? 236 00:12:38,584 --> 00:12:40,743 I think that's... . Yeah. 237 00:12:40,962 --> 00:12:42,124 - He said this to you? - No. 238 00:12:42,297 --> 00:12:44,621 - Where'd you get it? - The person he said it to. 239 00:12:44,841 --> 00:12:47,591 Do me a favor, give me some time to check it out, okay? 240 00:12:47,801 --> 00:12:48,833 Yeah. 241 00:12:49,011 --> 00:12:51,050 - You were gone two and a half years? - Yeah. 242 00:12:51,263 --> 00:12:52,887 It seemed like less than that. 243 00:12:53,891 --> 00:12:57,176 People lose all track of time and space when I'm not around. 244 00:12:57,393 --> 00:12:57,882 Yeah. 245 00:12:57,882 --> 00:12:59,162 Yeah. 246 00:13:01,468 --> 00:13:04,551 It's 30 billion in school-modernization bonds. 247 00:13:04,762 --> 00:13:06,008 Thanks, Ginger. 248 00:13:06,181 --> 00:13:07,212 - Thank you. - Sure. 249 00:13:07,390 --> 00:13:09,549 It's 30 billion in school-modernization bonds. 250 00:13:09,726 --> 00:13:12,264 - Interest-free? - Interest-free for school districts. 251 00:13:12,436 --> 00:13:16,932 We're estimating it will help build and modernize 7000 schools nationwide. 252 00:13:17,108 --> 00:13:21,272 There's another 1.5 billion for urgent repairs targeted to high-need districts. 253 00:13:21,445 --> 00:13:23,437 - Like roof repairs? - Roof repairs... 254 00:13:23,655 --> 00:13:26,229 ...heating and cooling systems, electrical wiring. 255 00:13:26,408 --> 00:13:29,742 We think we need the congressman's vote to get it onto the floor. 256 00:13:29,953 --> 00:13:31,530 - He'll be with it. - I thought so. 257 00:13:31,747 --> 00:13:34,617 He wants the president's support on a bill he's sponsoring. 258 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,786 - What's it called? - The Legal Tender Modernization Act. 259 00:13:38,002 --> 00:13:39,911 - Which is...? - Elimination of the penny. 260 00:13:40,129 --> 00:13:41,921 - Sorry? - It would permanently halt... 261 00:13:42,132 --> 00:13:44,419 ...production of the penny. - Why? 262 00:13:44,591 --> 00:13:45,920 - I'm glad you asked. - Yeah. 263 00:13:46,093 --> 00:13:49,177 Last year, the U.S. Mint cut 14 billion pennies... 264 00:13:49,388 --> 00:13:52,720 ...and shipped them to the Federal Reserve, which dumped them on us. 265 00:13:52,890 --> 00:13:55,428 - They're worthless. - They're actually worth 1 cent. 266 00:13:55,602 --> 00:13:58,852 The dollar has the buying power today the quarter had 30 years ago. 267 00:13:59,022 --> 00:14:02,437 - Penny's power's shrunk to nothing. - Not true. You can get a gumball. 268 00:14:02,650 --> 00:14:05,319 - No, you can't. They cost a nickel. - Really? 269 00:14:06,362 --> 00:14:08,650 I need to give the congressman a good reason... 270 00:14:08,822 --> 00:14:11,740 ...why the White House won't support the bill, if they won't. 271 00:14:11,950 --> 00:14:15,320 - Don't make me give you a good reason. - You want your school repairs? 272 00:14:15,495 --> 00:14:18,366 We're already well on our way with 140 million pennies. 273 00:14:18,540 --> 00:14:20,828 - Sam. - I'll get you a good reason. 274 00:14:22,043 --> 00:14:23,787 Charlie! 275 00:14:25,212 --> 00:14:26,244 Yes, sir. 276 00:14:26,422 --> 00:14:28,829 - You took Indianapolis? - Yes, sir. 277 00:14:29,007 --> 00:14:31,581 - You didn't want to take Kansas City? - No, sir. 278 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,844 Kansas City's got three players out of Notre Dame. 279 00:14:35,013 --> 00:14:37,968 Always go with a team with more players out of Notre Dame. 280 00:14:38,141 --> 00:14:40,133 - That's a heck of a system. - What's yours? 281 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:42,801 I compare the team's record to its opponent's record. 282 00:14:42,979 --> 00:14:46,431 - That's a little simplistic, isn't it? - Yes, sir. 283 00:14:46,607 --> 00:14:48,267 - Excuse me, Mr. President? - Yeah. 284 00:14:48,443 --> 00:14:51,562 - The vice president. - Thank you. 285 00:14:53,154 --> 00:14:54,435 - Hi, Charlie. - Sir. 286 00:14:54,615 --> 00:14:56,193 - Hey, John. - Good afternoon, sir. 287 00:14:56,366 --> 00:14:57,776 - Do you know this church? - No. 288 00:14:57,952 --> 00:15:00,656 - The United Baptist Church in Abilene? - No. 289 00:15:00,829 --> 00:15:03,913 - You feel like having a beer with me? - No, I'm fine. 290 00:15:04,082 --> 00:15:08,543 On Sundays after church, my father would let my brother and me split a beer. 291 00:15:08,752 --> 00:15:11,244 - Mind if I split some water with you? - Nancy. 292 00:15:11,422 --> 00:15:13,628 I need you to go to Texas, John. 293 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,207 Nancy, could I get a cold beer and some ice water? 294 00:15:16,385 --> 00:15:18,591 - Yes, sir. - And close the door, please. 295 00:15:20,764 --> 00:15:24,346 - You want to send me to Texas. - It's what Texans do. 296 00:15:24,517 --> 00:15:28,467 You know, a decade ago, we passed a few national gun-control laws... 297 00:15:28,647 --> 00:15:32,229 ...and the gun lobby turned its back on Congress and focused on the states. 298 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,973 The NRA systematically worked the legislatures... 299 00:15:35,195 --> 00:15:38,231 ...to weaken conceal-and-carry laws, the effect of which... 300 00:15:38,406 --> 00:15:41,441 ...is to increase gun sales and pad its own membership. 301 00:15:41,658 --> 00:15:42,821 I don't agree with that... 302 00:15:42,994 --> 00:15:47,987 The National Conference of State Legislatures is meeting in San Antonio. 303 00:15:48,207 --> 00:15:50,993 - You want me to go and speak for you. - Yeah. 304 00:15:51,209 --> 00:15:53,415 Because that's what Texans do. 305 00:15:54,336 --> 00:15:56,495 It's also what vice presidents do. 306 00:16:05,347 --> 00:16:07,256 Thank you, Nancy. 307 00:16:12,145 --> 00:16:14,018 Thank you, Nancy. 308 00:16:19,569 --> 00:16:21,443 - Alan. - Hey. 309 00:16:23,365 --> 00:16:24,609 Come on back. 310 00:16:26,867 --> 00:16:30,033 - Thanks for taking the time. - No, no. 311 00:16:30,203 --> 00:16:32,611 - So how did it go? - Oh, it was a good trip. 312 00:16:32,789 --> 00:16:37,166 I met with Hassan, and I met with the aviation prince. 313 00:16:37,335 --> 00:16:39,791 - You know what we need? - An aviation prince. 314 00:16:39,963 --> 00:16:41,160 That's right. 315 00:16:41,339 --> 00:16:42,882 Well, let me tell you something. 316 00:16:43,049 --> 00:16:45,457 Sultan Bin Abu Azir ain't what he used to be. 317 00:16:45,634 --> 00:16:49,217 Last time I was in Kuwait, he gave me a gold-inlay Gadara sword... 318 00:16:49,388 --> 00:16:51,926 ...originated from the Binalhmar tribe. 319 00:16:52,099 --> 00:16:54,506 - What'd you get this time? - Nothing. 320 00:16:54,684 --> 00:16:58,053 You wanna go to the Situation Room, blow him off the face of the earth? 321 00:16:58,229 --> 00:16:59,510 Yeah. 322 00:16:59,690 --> 00:17:02,725 So the NSC Communications Office... 323 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:06,269 ...cabled me a draft of the president's radio address for next weekend. 324 00:17:06,487 --> 00:17:10,022 - Alan, it's a week... -"At the close of the last World War... 325 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,108 ...our nation was instrumental in the creation of both the United Nations... 326 00:17:14,286 --> 00:17:16,694 ...and the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal. 327 00:17:17,206 --> 00:17:19,911 Now, at the dawn of the millennium, we cannot betray... 328 00:17:20,083 --> 00:17:23,037 ...that tradition of moral leadership." He's made up his mind. 329 00:17:23,253 --> 00:17:25,578 It's an early draft. It's not a big thing. 330 00:17:25,797 --> 00:17:29,462 I know that Hutchinson and Berryhill are for it, but to me... 331 00:17:29,634 --> 00:17:33,548 ...to Fitzwallace, the Pentagon, the House and Senate Armed Services... 332 00:17:33,762 --> 00:17:35,839 ...and House and Senate Foreign Relations... 333 00:17:36,015 --> 00:17:38,091 ...it's a thing of catastrophic proportions. 334 00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:39,927 Let's go inside and talk. 335 00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:46,391 - Hey. - I'm not here. 336 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,358 - I called and had you paged. - Yeah? 337 00:17:48,527 --> 00:17:51,017 - I didn't know you were here. - I'm not. 338 00:17:51,236 --> 00:17:53,229 - I think the jig is up. - Clearly I'm here. 339 00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:56,525 But I'm not open. The president was meeting with Hoynes... 340 00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:59,578 ...so I wanted to see how it goes. - Listen... 341 00:17:59,787 --> 00:18:04,782 I see you picked Chicago over Cincinnati, so your money's gonna be in my pocket. 342 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,826 "If the president wins reelection... 343 00:18:07,001 --> 00:18:09,492 ...it's gonna be on the vice president's coattails." 344 00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:11,959 You wanna know what's weird? 345 00:18:12,132 --> 00:18:14,752 I just said that exact same thing a couple of days ago. 346 00:18:14,925 --> 00:18:17,464 I know. You know how I know? Will Sawyer just told me. 347 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:20,252 - Will Sawyer's in Myanmar. - He got kicked out. 348 00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:23,930 - He's in the Room now. - C.J., I said it. 349 00:18:26,478 --> 00:18:29,681 I said it in the W.A. meeting. I said it at the end of the meeting. 350 00:18:29,856 --> 00:18:34,684 We were talking about areas where Hoynes is polling stronger than... . 351 00:18:34,860 --> 00:18:36,106 It was... . 352 00:18:38,531 --> 00:18:41,022 I said to our own... . 353 00:18:46,038 --> 00:18:47,698 - Do I have a little time? - A little. 354 00:18:47,873 --> 00:18:49,830 - Thank you. - You're here now? 355 00:18:51,376 --> 00:18:52,836 Yeah. 356 00:18:59,675 --> 00:19:01,384 Ginger? 357 00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:06,507 I want you to page every junior staffer and senior assistant... 358 00:19:06,682 --> 00:19:08,260 ...who works in the West Wing. 359 00:19:08,435 --> 00:19:10,759 I want them to assemble in the mess in two hours. 360 00:19:10,978 --> 00:19:12,887 - What if...? - If they can't be here... 361 00:19:13,064 --> 00:19:16,314 ...then they don't need to come in tomorrow morning. 362 00:19:33,541 --> 00:19:35,248 - Hey. - How you doing? 363 00:19:35,584 --> 00:19:38,537 - How'd you get here before me? - I drove. 364 00:19:39,671 --> 00:19:41,545 - Should you be here? - No. 365 00:19:41,756 --> 00:19:43,832 - Then what...? - I need to know why you lied. 366 00:19:44,426 --> 00:19:45,457 - When? - Donna. 367 00:19:45,676 --> 00:19:47,669 - I didn't lie. - I saw your diary. 368 00:19:48,930 --> 00:19:52,513 When I was over that night. You keep a diary. Why'd you say you didn't? 369 00:19:52,684 --> 00:19:54,427 - I don't keep a diary. - I saw it. 370 00:19:54,644 --> 00:19:58,344 - You didn't, because there is no diary... - Donna, it's me and you. 371 00:19:58,522 --> 00:20:01,357 - What's in it that you had to lie? - It's me and you? 372 00:20:01,525 --> 00:20:05,439 You're investigating me, my friends, my boss and the president. 373 00:20:05,612 --> 00:20:08,102 - That's right. - I thought you were smarmy with your: 374 00:20:08,281 --> 00:20:10,689 -"You can laugh." Was that charm? - Tell me what's... 375 00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:12,532 There is no diary. 376 00:20:12,702 --> 00:20:16,153 Eighteen U.S.C., 1001. Lying to Congress: 377 00:20:16,371 --> 00:20:18,614 $ 10,000 and not more than five years in prison. 378 00:20:18,790 --> 00:20:20,284 - Cliff... - Eighteen U.S.C., 1505. 379 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:23,074 Obstruction of Proceedings Before Committees: 380 00:20:23,254 --> 00:20:24,416 Not more than five years. 381 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:27,298 Two U.S.C., 192. Contempt of Congress: 382 00:20:27,465 --> 00:20:29,708 $ 1000 and imprisonment in a common jail... 383 00:20:29,884 --> 00:20:33,134 ...for not more than 12 months. It was a perfectly innocent mistake. 384 00:20:33,304 --> 00:20:35,925 Let me talk to your lawyer and help you walk this back. 385 00:20:36,724 --> 00:20:38,764 Just out of curiosity, what would you say? 386 00:20:40,268 --> 00:20:41,929 That you thought you saw a diary... 387 00:20:42,105 --> 00:20:44,808 ...while you were hunting around for your boxer shorts? 388 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,142 You shouldn't be here. 389 00:21:00,788 --> 00:21:01,819 - Why? - Why? 390 00:21:01,998 --> 00:21:03,990 - Yes. - Because this country is populated... 391 00:21:04,166 --> 00:21:07,535 ...with unbalanced people, many of whom find their way to Washington... 392 00:21:07,711 --> 00:21:10,380 ...as if the continent funnels them into this one spot. 393 00:21:10,589 --> 00:21:12,166 He wants to abolish the penny? 394 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:16,040 Not as much as he wants to give his boss a reason why we can't. 395 00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:19,427 - Well, it's stupid. - Yeah, the thing is, it isn't really. 396 00:21:19,639 --> 00:21:22,011 - Really? - The majority of pennies don't circulate. 397 00:21:22,183 --> 00:21:25,883 They go in jars, drawers. 2/3 of pennies produced in the last 30 years... 398 00:21:26,104 --> 00:21:29,187 ...have dropped out of circulation. - You're reading about this? 399 00:21:29,357 --> 00:21:31,099 - It's interesting. - No, it's not. 400 00:21:31,317 --> 00:21:35,065 The Mint gets letters with pennies taped on notebook paper from citizens... 401 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:37,152 ...who found them on the street... 402 00:21:37,365 --> 00:21:39,570 ...and mailed them in to help with the debt. 403 00:21:39,783 --> 00:21:42,986 - Hard to believe that hasn't worked. - It's bad for the environment. 404 00:21:43,203 --> 00:21:46,287 Production requires mining of tons of copper and zinc each year. 405 00:21:46,456 --> 00:21:48,033 - Zinc? - In 1982, they changed... 406 00:21:48,207 --> 00:21:51,742 ...the composition to 97.5 percent zinc and only 2.5 percent copper. 407 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:53,995 - Sam. - I'm turning into a funnel person. 408 00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:55,706 Yeah. 409 00:21:58,509 --> 00:22:01,960 - Donna thinks you're still pissed at her. - I'm not. I wasn't before. 410 00:22:02,138 --> 00:22:05,173 - When did she tell you that? - Before she left. 411 00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:07,098 - You've heard from her? - No. 412 00:22:08,267 --> 00:22:10,593 - She should be done by now. - Here's a riddle: 413 00:22:10,811 --> 00:22:13,480 What's the most ubiquitous man-made object in America... 414 00:22:13,648 --> 00:22:16,269 ...that doesn't interact with any mechanism or machine? 415 00:22:17,067 --> 00:22:19,225 - The penny? - The penny. 416 00:22:22,198 --> 00:22:24,522 You can't even throw it in a tollbooth. 417 00:22:24,699 --> 00:22:28,115 - Well, except for Illinois. - Why can you use it in Illinois? 418 00:22:28,327 --> 00:22:31,245 - That's an interesting question. - No, it's not. 419 00:22:32,665 --> 00:22:33,696 - Hey. - Hey. 420 00:22:33,875 --> 00:22:37,456 I'm gonna have something for you soon. Toby's talking to some people. 421 00:22:37,628 --> 00:22:39,751 - Hey, are you a king? - No. 422 00:22:39,921 --> 00:22:42,460 Somebody said you were hanging out with some tribe... 423 00:22:42,633 --> 00:22:45,087 ...and they made you a king. - I'm a god. 424 00:22:46,137 --> 00:22:49,172 I'm the only white man to ever witness the sacrificial rites... 425 00:22:49,347 --> 00:22:50,890 ...of the Bau tribe of Fiji. 426 00:22:51,057 --> 00:22:53,133 I was almost a victim myself... 427 00:22:53,309 --> 00:22:56,226 ...until they made me The Supporter of the World. 428 00:22:56,395 --> 00:22:58,638 - How'd you swing that? - Using my Palm Pilot... 429 00:22:58,856 --> 00:23:02,225 ...I convinced them I had the power to make the gods' writing appear... 430 00:23:02,402 --> 00:23:05,153 ...and more significantly, predict the next day's weather. 431 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,570 - So you're a god. - The God of Good Harvest. 432 00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:11,658 I gotta go and bring my laptop. It quacks when I have e-mail. 433 00:23:11,826 --> 00:23:14,578 - No, you're too tall. - What would happen? 434 00:23:14,788 --> 00:23:17,704 They would paint your face and other body parts black... 435 00:23:17,915 --> 00:23:21,165 ...so as to resemble a warrior ornamented for feast or combat. 436 00:23:21,335 --> 00:23:24,336 Then you would be garroted by a length of boar tripe. 437 00:23:24,547 --> 00:23:27,417 Yeah. No, good safety tip. 438 00:23:27,633 --> 00:23:29,257 - Alan Adamley here? - Yeah. 439 00:23:29,467 --> 00:23:31,176 - Why? - He's meeting with Leo McGarry. 440 00:23:31,386 --> 00:23:33,046 - Why? - I don't know. Listen... 441 00:23:33,221 --> 00:23:34,550 ...you made a joke before. 442 00:23:34,765 --> 00:23:36,425 - Yeah. - About being assigned here... 443 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:39,008 ...until you can get a real reporting job. - Yeah. 444 00:23:39,227 --> 00:23:40,935 - Was it a joke? - Yeah. 445 00:23:41,145 --> 00:23:44,478 Okay. I'll have something for you on the other thing soon. 446 00:23:44,649 --> 00:23:45,893 Thanks. 447 00:23:46,066 --> 00:23:47,442 - That's not true. - John... 448 00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:50,943 It is not, Mr. President. Twenty-nine states have"shall issue" laws. 449 00:23:51,155 --> 00:23:54,489 If you look at the state of New Jersey, which has a"may issue" law... 450 00:23:54,658 --> 00:23:57,278 ...if you change that one word... - I'm not saying... 451 00:23:57,493 --> 00:23:59,949 Changing that word means law enforcement decides... 452 00:24:00,121 --> 00:24:03,241 ...who gets a concealed weapon and when and where they carry it. 453 00:24:03,458 --> 00:24:06,792 Texas has a"may issue" law in front of the legislature right now. 454 00:24:07,003 --> 00:24:10,039 - You going down there... - It's suicide, and you know it. 455 00:24:10,255 --> 00:24:13,873 It's counter-scheduling. You tell an audience what they don't wanna hear. 456 00:24:14,051 --> 00:24:15,296 It shows you have courage. 457 00:24:15,469 --> 00:24:19,383 The editors of The New York Times will think I have courage, while the people... 458 00:24:19,598 --> 00:24:22,170 - You're a hero in Texas. - I was a hero in Texas. 459 00:24:22,392 --> 00:24:24,965 Texans don't like your courage of your convictions? 460 00:24:25,145 --> 00:24:27,718 They're not my convictions, they're yours. 461 00:24:27,897 --> 00:24:30,019 Oh, yeah. I forgot. 462 00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:36,227 Mr. President... 463 00:24:36,405 --> 00:24:39,856 ...we're not gonna get anywhere by treating gun owners like psychopaths. 464 00:24:40,034 --> 00:24:43,319 And particularly in the South, where guns are a tradition... 465 00:24:43,495 --> 00:24:46,365 ...and a heritage that's passed on from father to son. 466 00:24:46,581 --> 00:24:47,661 That's not good enough. 467 00:24:47,875 --> 00:24:50,660 - Sir... - A tradition passed from father to son? 468 00:24:50,834 --> 00:24:53,622 We tamed the frontier, John. We did that already. 469 00:24:53,796 --> 00:24:57,840 The NRA is gonna say you're taking advantage of the shooting in Abilene. 470 00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:00,802 That you like when this happens. It gives you a chance... 471 00:25:01,011 --> 00:25:03,300 Let them stand in this room and say that. 472 00:25:03,473 --> 00:25:06,010 On this day. Let them stand in this room. 473 00:25:06,182 --> 00:25:07,725 I like it? 474 00:25:07,893 --> 00:25:09,636 She was 9 years old. 475 00:25:27,453 --> 00:25:28,698 Green Bay lost. 476 00:25:30,538 --> 00:25:32,033 She was 9 years old. 477 00:25:32,248 --> 00:25:35,949 You know, last month in Idaho, a man killed six members of his family... 478 00:25:36,127 --> 00:25:38,166 ...including his pregnant wife. 479 00:25:38,379 --> 00:25:41,665 And you know why the liberal intelligentsia didn't go crazy? 480 00:25:41,883 --> 00:25:45,583 Because he did it with an ax. You think we need ax control? 481 00:25:45,803 --> 00:25:49,171 Well, that is an excellent point. I never saw it that way. 482 00:25:49,389 --> 00:25:52,307 - I'm playing devil's advocate. - Tighter ax control. 483 00:25:52,517 --> 00:25:54,889 You come down on firearms, tobacco and alcohol... 484 00:25:55,061 --> 00:25:57,766 ...but you let Griffith talk about legalizing marijuana. 485 00:25:57,981 --> 00:25:59,059 - She didn't... - Sir... 486 00:25:59,273 --> 00:26:03,770 You know what? Last year, gun deaths: 30,708. 487 00:26:03,945 --> 00:26:07,278 Alcohol deaths: 35,450. 488 00:26:07,447 --> 00:26:09,571 Tobacco deaths: 400,000. 489 00:26:09,784 --> 00:26:11,360 Marijuana deaths: zero. 490 00:26:11,576 --> 00:26:14,032 This guy, the second shooter, Rambo... 491 00:26:14,204 --> 00:26:16,446 ...he's gonna get a parade. You know why? 492 00:26:16,623 --> 00:26:18,615 There was no sign posted in the church... 493 00:26:18,792 --> 00:26:21,995 ...saying you can't carry a concealed weapon. 494 00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:23,830 I'm just playing devil's advocate. 495 00:26:24,506 --> 00:26:26,462 She was 9 years old. 496 00:26:26,632 --> 00:26:31,175 Two things. One, technically it's not just a court for war crimes. 497 00:26:31,344 --> 00:26:33,255 - Technically? - And two... 498 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:35,422 ...the president hasn't made up his mind. 499 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,140 - The U.N. has. - The U.N. made up its mind in 1948... 500 00:26:39,352 --> 00:26:41,890 ...when they recognized genocide. - Yes... 501 00:26:42,063 --> 00:26:44,899 A crime so immense as to exceed the jurisdiction... 502 00:26:45,108 --> 00:26:48,524 ...of any single court or government. Alan, systematic extermination... 503 00:26:48,695 --> 00:26:53,072 ...of civilians, enslavement, torture, rape, forced pregnancy, terrorism... . 504 00:26:53,282 --> 00:26:55,689 Doesn't the world need a permanent standing body...? 505 00:26:55,868 --> 00:26:59,651 National sovereignty is at stake. Americans are answerable to no one... 506 00:26:59,830 --> 00:27:02,700 ...but their own government and laws. - Yeah. 507 00:27:02,916 --> 00:27:05,371 The U.N. is not a democratic organization. 508 00:27:05,585 --> 00:27:08,123 There's no input into its deliberations by any... 509 00:27:08,339 --> 00:27:11,208 Come on, the court is designed with plenty of safeguards... 510 00:27:11,424 --> 00:27:14,674 ...to say nothing of if we don't subject ourselves to the treaty... 511 00:27:14,844 --> 00:27:16,920 ...it'll encourage other countries. 512 00:27:17,096 --> 00:27:21,010 You don't think that'll undercut the U.N. 's campaign against war crimes? 513 00:27:22,058 --> 00:27:24,348 - Excuse me. Excuse me, general. - Hey, Sam. 514 00:27:24,562 --> 00:27:26,470 - Margaret wasn't here. - What do you need? 515 00:27:26,646 --> 00:27:29,813 - No, if you're busy, I can come back. - We're eliminating genocide. 516 00:27:29,983 --> 00:27:32,652 - What are you doing? - Eliminating the penny. 517 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:34,064 So I'll come back. 518 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:35,393 - Yeah. - See you later. 519 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:41,546 - Hey. - Hi. 520 00:27:41,719 --> 00:27:43,794 - How'd it go? - It went fine. 521 00:27:43,971 --> 00:27:45,880 - Just background, right? - It was fine. 522 00:27:46,057 --> 00:27:48,262 - Is Josh in his office? - He's around someplace. 523 00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:50,224 Thanks. 524 00:27:50,394 --> 00:27:53,560 The only thing pennies interact with are coin-wrapping machines... 525 00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:56,565 ...people buy to get rid of pennies, which proves the point. 526 00:27:56,733 --> 00:27:58,808 - What point? - I don't know. 527 00:27:58,985 --> 00:28:01,476 - It went okay? - Fine. 528 00:28:09,536 --> 00:28:11,908 - How'd it go? - I need to talk to you for a second. 529 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,452 - What happened? - Can we go in your office? 530 00:28:14,625 --> 00:28:16,913 - Hey, how'd it go? - Fine. 531 00:28:19,712 --> 00:28:22,037 - What happened? - They asked if I kept a diary... 532 00:28:22,215 --> 00:28:23,922 ...and I said no. Only I do keep one. 533 00:28:24,091 --> 00:28:25,752 - Why'd you say that? - I don't know. 534 00:28:25,968 --> 00:28:28,044 - You don't know? - Nothing in it is relevant. 535 00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:29,714 Does anyone know you keep one? 536 00:28:29,888 --> 00:28:33,589 Nobody knows I keep a diary, except Cliff saw it. 537 00:28:35,185 --> 00:28:37,392 - What do you mean? - After the deposition... 538 00:28:37,562 --> 00:28:40,764 ...Cliff told me he saw the diary when he was in my apartment. 539 00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:47,862 I swear, it wasn't premeditated. Nothing in it was material... 540 00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:49,406 You don't get to decide that! 541 00:28:49,574 --> 00:28:52,111 You don't get to decide what's material, Donna! 542 00:28:52,326 --> 00:28:54,532 - Keep your voice down. - This is how it happens. 543 00:28:54,703 --> 00:28:58,119 They got nothing on the president with MS, then you hand them... 544 00:28:58,289 --> 00:28:59,665 - I know. - You were subpoenaed! 545 00:28:59,833 --> 00:29:02,159 - You were under oath! - I screwed up. 546 00:29:02,377 --> 00:29:04,037 You think?! 547 00:29:08,924 --> 00:29:11,676 - What should I do? - Do nothing. 548 00:29:11,844 --> 00:29:13,754 Do absolutely nothing. 549 00:30:13,777 --> 00:30:15,899 There's an old saying: 550 00:30:17,363 --> 00:30:22,440 Those who speak don't know, and those who know don't speak. 551 00:30:22,993 --> 00:30:24,950 I don't know if that's true or not... 552 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,987 ...but I know, by and large, the press doesn't care who really knows what... 553 00:30:29,166 --> 00:30:30,874 ...as long as they've got a quote. 554 00:30:32,294 --> 00:30:35,460 Friday, we had our"week ahead" meeting in the Roosevelt Room. 555 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:37,836 Some of you were there, most of you weren't... 556 00:30:38,008 --> 00:30:40,000 ...but I'm talking to all of you now. 557 00:30:40,426 --> 00:30:43,131 Bruno Gianelli and I were leading a discussion... 558 00:30:43,304 --> 00:30:45,926 ...about whether the president should stop in Kansas... 559 00:30:46,099 --> 00:30:48,470 ...on his way back from the West Coast. 560 00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:52,635 And I remarked that the vice president is polling better than the president... 561 00:30:52,812 --> 00:30:54,521 ...right now in the plains states. 562 00:30:54,731 --> 00:30:58,516 And if the president is reelected, it'll be on the vice president's coattails. 563 00:30:58,693 --> 00:31:01,018 That remark got to a White House reporter. 564 00:31:04,949 --> 00:31:06,657 We're a group. 565 00:31:07,868 --> 00:31:09,576 We're a team. 566 00:31:09,995 --> 00:31:13,329 From the president and Leo on through, we're a team. 567 00:31:15,376 --> 00:31:17,202 We win together. 568 00:31:17,377 --> 00:31:19,370 We lose together. 569 00:31:20,464 --> 00:31:23,133 We celebrate and we mourn together. 570 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,005 Defeats are softened and victories sweetened... 571 00:31:26,177 --> 00:31:28,086 ...because we did them together. 572 00:31:30,849 --> 00:31:33,339 And if you don't like this team... 573 00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:36,135 ...then there's the door. 574 00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:41,480 It's great to be in the know. 575 00:31:41,649 --> 00:31:44,223 It's great to have the scoop, to have the skinny. 576 00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:48,980 To be able to go to a reporter and say, "I know something you don't know." 577 00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:54,618 So the press becomes your constituents, and you sell out the team. 578 00:31:56,998 --> 00:32:00,496 So an item will appear in the paper tomorrow... 579 00:32:00,667 --> 00:32:05,661 ...and it'll be embarrassing to me and embarrassing to the president. 580 00:32:09,217 --> 00:32:11,506 I'm not gonna have a witch-hunt. 581 00:32:11,678 --> 00:32:15,461 I'm not gonna huff and puff. I'm not gonna take anyone's head off. 582 00:32:16,307 --> 00:32:18,595 I'm simply gonna say this: 583 00:32:20,895 --> 00:32:22,971 You're my guys. 584 00:32:24,023 --> 00:32:25,896 And I'm yours. 585 00:32:27,776 --> 00:32:30,266 And there's nothing I wouldn't do for you. 586 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,283 - That was unexpected. - Yeah. 587 00:32:46,626 --> 00:32:48,833 You're a good deputy, Sam. 588 00:32:49,004 --> 00:32:52,005 - What do you mean? - That. 589 00:32:52,174 --> 00:32:55,543 - You won money on football, didn't you? - Yeah, but I mean it anyway. 590 00:32:55,719 --> 00:32:57,627 What can I do for you today? 591 00:32:57,845 --> 00:33:01,973 Give me a good reason why we can't support the elimination of the penny. 592 00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:06,185 - The Legal Tender Huckleberry Bill? - Modernization Bill, yeah. 593 00:33:06,353 --> 00:33:09,105 - It'll never get to the floor. - Why not? 594 00:33:09,272 --> 00:33:11,291 - Where's the House speaker from? - Illinois. 595 00:33:11,584 --> 00:33:15,747 Which is the only state where you can put pennies in a toll machine. Why? 596 00:33:15,962 --> 00:33:17,871 - It's because... - Lincoln's from Illinois! 597 00:33:18,047 --> 00:33:19,875 - And so's the speaker. - Yes. 598 00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:22,256 That's a good reason. Well, it's a dumb reason. 599 00:33:22,426 --> 00:33:25,712 - But it's good enough, right? - Sure. 600 00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:28,795 - Thank you. - Yeah. 601 00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:32,224 - And thanks for the other thing. - Yeah. 602 00:33:33,062 --> 00:33:34,092 - Hi. - Hi. 603 00:33:34,271 --> 00:33:35,849 - What do you need? - You called me. 604 00:33:36,023 --> 00:33:37,979 Yes, I did. Well... 605 00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:41,067 ...Toby made the remark in response to some new polling data. 606 00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:43,727 It was offhand. Obviously, he meant it as a joke... 607 00:33:43,905 --> 00:33:45,731 ...and he regrets it. - Okay. 608 00:33:45,907 --> 00:33:48,908 - He'll be happy to go on-the-record. - No, that's all right. 609 00:33:49,076 --> 00:33:51,448 - What do you mean? - I don't need him. 610 00:33:51,621 --> 00:33:54,538 - You won't let Toby explain himself? - I'm not writing it. 611 00:33:54,707 --> 00:33:57,957 - Why not? - It's not news. 612 00:33:58,126 --> 00:34:00,499 - Really? - Yeah. 613 00:34:00,670 --> 00:34:02,579 Okay. 614 00:34:02,755 --> 00:34:04,665 I'll see you in there. 615 00:34:05,967 --> 00:34:08,422 - You weren't joking before, were you? - When? 616 00:34:08,636 --> 00:34:10,178 - When you said... - No. 617 00:34:11,388 --> 00:34:15,433 - Why do you think this is a bad beat? - I don't like being a stenographer. 618 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,009 And I don't like writing gossip. 619 00:34:19,104 --> 00:34:23,730 I read a column where a lady bemoaned the decade of scandals she covered... 620 00:34:23,901 --> 00:34:27,600 ...as if the news was to blame for the quality of journalism. 621 00:34:27,779 --> 00:34:31,728 I don't know if there's ever been a more important time to be good at what I do. 622 00:34:31,908 --> 00:34:34,114 Can you imagine how much I don't give a damn... 623 00:34:34,285 --> 00:34:36,443 ...about what Toby said to a staffer? 624 00:34:36,621 --> 00:34:38,281 Yeah. 625 00:34:39,331 --> 00:34:40,991 All right. 626 00:34:42,668 --> 00:34:44,495 You can sit anywhere you want. 627 00:34:47,214 --> 00:34:50,214 A hundred and thirty-nine countries have signed. 628 00:34:50,383 --> 00:34:53,384 Thirty-five have ratified. Once 60 ratify, that's the ballgame. 629 00:34:53,553 --> 00:34:55,629 - You want to be left out? - Absolutely. 630 00:34:55,847 --> 00:34:59,630 - This'll raise 19 kinds of hell in Congress. - What doesn't? 631 00:34:59,808 --> 00:35:03,806 There are already extreme Republicans who are attaching amendments to bills... 632 00:35:03,979 --> 00:35:07,312 ...cutting off military aid to any NATO member that signs the treaty. 633 00:35:07,483 --> 00:35:10,234 - That won't happen. - And committing the U. S... 634 00:35:10,402 --> 00:35:14,067 ...to forcibly rescue any American soldier held and tried in such a court. 635 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,147 Leo, this commits the United States to a scenario... 636 00:35:18,326 --> 00:35:20,117 ...where we'd be invading Holland. 637 00:35:20,328 --> 00:35:22,451 How much of this is about hedging our bets? 638 00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:25,113 - It's not... - We set up Nuremberg! 639 00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:28,909 We set up the Tokyo War Crimes Trial. And that was fine. 640 00:35:29,086 --> 00:35:31,920 Until we realized the Cold War threat would take precedence. 641 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:36,080 So when the German rocket scientists came here to help us get into space... 642 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:37,333 Oh, please. 643 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:40,512 ...we looked the other way while SS officers followed right behind... 644 00:35:40,723 --> 00:35:43,556 ...protected by American intelligence services... 645 00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:48,552 ...because they were gonna help us with the communists. Oh, please, Alan. 646 00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:53,557 So how much of this is hedging our bets? 647 00:36:01,533 --> 00:36:04,403 You remember Operation Rolling Thunder? 648 00:36:05,954 --> 00:36:07,911 Yeah. I think I do. Yeah. 649 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,698 - September, 1966. - Yeah. 650 00:36:11,876 --> 00:36:16,288 You were piloting an F-105 Fighterchief. 651 00:36:17,006 --> 00:36:20,753 This was our first unit, the 355th Tactical Fighter Wing out of Thailand. 652 00:36:21,552 --> 00:36:25,502 I was forward air commander. I gave you your directions. 653 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,176 "From IP, heading 273 for 10.5 miles... 654 00:36:30,351 --> 00:36:33,139 ...your target is north-south running bridge over river... 655 00:36:33,313 --> 00:36:37,606 ...1 kilometer to the tree line running east-west." 656 00:36:37,775 --> 00:36:39,268 Yeah. 657 00:36:42,154 --> 00:36:44,775 - It was a military target. - It was a civilian target. 658 00:36:44,948 --> 00:36:47,439 It was a dam. There were 11 civilian casualties. 659 00:37:03,924 --> 00:37:05,299 Why did you tell me that? 660 00:37:05,926 --> 00:37:08,843 Because you could be charged and tried for a war crime. 661 00:37:23,650 --> 00:37:27,185 Why did you tell me that? 662 00:37:29,782 --> 00:37:32,486 All wars are crimes. 663 00:37:47,507 --> 00:37:50,957 - We've been here a while. - Yeah. 664 00:37:51,135 --> 00:37:53,257 - Maybe we'll call it a day, huh? - Yeah. 665 00:37:54,597 --> 00:37:57,087 I'll get you some time with the president this week. 666 00:37:59,308 --> 00:38:01,384 I'd appreciate that. 667 00:38:04,521 --> 00:38:05,850 Thank you. 668 00:38:09,986 --> 00:38:11,609 Thank you. 669 00:38:28,502 --> 00:38:31,539 - Can I ask a question out of curiosity? - Yes, sir. 670 00:38:31,714 --> 00:38:35,877 If guns are meant to deter the threat of crime, why conceal them? 671 00:38:36,051 --> 00:38:39,585 I mean, wouldn't you want the criminal to see that you've got a gun? 672 00:38:39,763 --> 00:38:42,336 - I suppose you would. - Then what's the answer to that? 673 00:38:42,516 --> 00:38:43,760 I really don't know, sir. 674 00:38:43,976 --> 00:38:45,256 - You don't know? - No, sir. 675 00:38:45,476 --> 00:38:48,228 The concern is with the threat to the Second Amendment. 676 00:38:48,438 --> 00:38:52,980 We can't agree it's a stupid amendment written before there were street lamps... 677 00:38:53,192 --> 00:38:55,648 ...and police forces, and move on? - Sir. 678 00:38:55,819 --> 00:38:58,025 There's no need for a citizen militia. 679 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,148 - I agree with you. - Then say so. 680 00:39:00,365 --> 00:39:03,532 Forty percent of Americans have a gun in their home. 681 00:39:03,743 --> 00:39:07,362 Only 16 percent believe gun ownership is an absolute right. 682 00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:10,036 Only 9 percent believe it's an absolute wrong. 683 00:39:10,208 --> 00:39:11,786 There's a middle. We can win them. 684 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,952 Not when we're running the MS defense. 685 00:39:14,127 --> 00:39:16,665 Which we wouldn't have been doing if... 686 00:39:18,257 --> 00:39:20,830 - If what, sir? - Nothing. 687 00:39:21,051 --> 00:39:23,757 - Sir... - You outed me, John. 688 00:39:23,929 --> 00:39:26,681 With that trip to Nashua, with the oil companies. 689 00:39:26,891 --> 00:39:29,262 You wanted people to start asking questions. 690 00:39:29,434 --> 00:39:32,933 I needed to start running because nobody told me that I wasn't! 691 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:35,476 And you announced that I found out on television! 692 00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:36,804 So did my wife. 693 00:39:37,024 --> 00:39:38,898 This thing was mismanaged. It was blown! 694 00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:41,233 - Yes, it was. - Yes, it was. 695 00:39:47,034 --> 00:39:49,191 Not easy being my vice president, is it? 696 00:39:50,788 --> 00:39:52,163 No, sir. 697 00:39:53,789 --> 00:39:56,079 I wouldn't think so. 698 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,581 But it's the only way you're gonna get the nomination. You know that, right? 699 00:40:04,758 --> 00:40:08,174 - If I win. - Yeah. 700 00:40:08,887 --> 00:40:13,465 And the only way you're gonna win is if I'm on the ticket. 701 00:40:13,642 --> 00:40:16,975 - You know that, don't you, sir? - Yeah. 702 00:40:18,981 --> 00:40:20,439 You'll go to Texas? 703 00:40:23,318 --> 00:40:26,187 - I want a seat at the table. - Yeah. 704 00:40:29,448 --> 00:40:30,943 - Mr. President? - Yeah. 705 00:40:31,117 --> 00:40:33,607 - They're ready in the Briefing Room. - Thank you. 706 00:40:37,164 --> 00:40:39,620 - I'll be back in my office. - Yeah. 707 00:40:39,833 --> 00:40:42,288 - Is there anything else, sir? - No. 708 00:40:42,668 --> 00:40:44,708 Thank you, Mr. President. 709 00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:28,080 There's a coffee shop across the street. You'll read it there. You got an hour. 710 00:41:30,421 --> 00:41:32,462 I haven't read it. 711 00:41:32,632 --> 00:41:35,965 But if anything bothers you, you'll issue a subpoena in the morning. 712 00:41:36,136 --> 00:41:40,264 You'll have it back before the end of the day. If not, that's that. 713 00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:43,298 - Yeah. - If I read any of this in the newspaper... 714 00:41:43,518 --> 00:41:46,351 ...or anything happens I don't like... 715 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,892 ...I've got the entries for October 4 and 5. 716 00:41:49,106 --> 00:41:51,393 What's October 4 and 5? 717 00:41:52,984 --> 00:41:54,229 You. 718 00:41:55,821 --> 00:41:57,065 That's fair. 719 00:42:00,825 --> 00:42:02,069 Thank you. 720 00:42:33,939 --> 00:42:36,644 It's starting to get cold already. 721 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,208 It's gonna be fine. 722 00:42:45,208 --> 00:42:46,453 It's gonna be fine.60764

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