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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented by two
separate, equally important groups.
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The police, who investigate crime,
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and the Crown prosecutors, who
prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Police have been granted a further
24 hours to interview Lennie Gaines,
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the father of 10-year-old
Jodie Gaines,
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who's been missing for seven days.
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Jodie went missing last Friday on her
way to a music lesson in Central London.
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Earlier this week, Lennie Gaines and
his ex-wife Kayleigh
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made an emotional plea for Jodie's
safe return.
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If you saw Jodie,
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and you know where...
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..where she is...
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Ohhhh.
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..please...
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.. you've got to tell the police.
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She's our baby.
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And we need her home.
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We need her home now.
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Couple of Latvian skip rats found
her about three hours ago.
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They were after scrap metal.
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She was under that radiator. Time of
death, about six to ten hours ago.
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Cause, not obvious.
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She'd only been dead an hour or so
when they dumped her.
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There's abrasions on the palms of
her hands. Looks like glass.
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Is it her?
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Jodie had a scar on her left arm.
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Any sign of her school bag or
mobile?
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Nothing yet. Anything else for us?
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Couple of mothballs, stuck to
the sheet.
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Who uses mothballs these days?
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Who tapes a kid's mouth shut, and
shoves them in a skip?
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I don't know.
But it wasn't her dad.
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Let's get him out of the cells, then.
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We've told you everything we know.
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Yeah, but it will just help us,
Mr Gaines.
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We just need to go over your
statements again.
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Routine, that's all.
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49 hours I've been locked up.
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And all the time she's been out
there. Alive.
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Well, the other team, you know, made
a bad call.
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And I know it doesn't make it any
easier.
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But when a child goes missing, presumed
dead, we have to consider every possibility.
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Even the fact that maybe the dad
did it.
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Not this -
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Not this dad.
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Just like to go over Jodie's
after-school routine, if that's OK.
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Just in case something may have been
missed.
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Guitar lesson, 4pm. Poland Street.
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It's about a mile from the school.
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How does she get there? Same
cab firm. They're all CRB checked.
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Look, Jodie knows all the drivers.
Been through this 100 times.
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You don't think she's a bit young to
be taking cabs on her own?
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Well, cabs, you know.
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They're checked, so they're safe, eh?
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She's usually back ten minutes
after me.
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I waited
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and waited, but she didn't
come home.
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So, Jodie was staying with you, yeah?
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Jodie lived with me. The family
courts gave me custody. Right.
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I'll call Grebo.
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Grebo?
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Grebo Moore, the guitar teacher.
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Lovely. Thanks.
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They said she never showed up, but
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the school teacher said she saw her
get into the cab.
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Cause of death was suffocation.
Jodie had a stomach bug.
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Her mouth was taped shut. The vomit
had to go somewhere.
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It clogged up the nasal passages.
Jesus.
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It could have been accidental. He
accidentally taped her mouth shut?
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How we gonna tell her dad?
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It's her mum I'm worried about. She
could barely speak.
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At least Jodie wasn't
sexually assaulted.
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That's got to be SOME consolation.
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Although that could have been the
motive for the kidnapping.
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They did pull over 50 glass splinters
from her hands. How did it get there?
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Could have been a scuffle. Glass
smashed, she tried to crawl over it.
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And the sheet she was wrapped in?
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1950s top-sheet, could have come
from any retro shop, jumble sale -
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Or could have been bought new and had
half-a-century's worth of use.
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Talk to the cabbie again.
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And to the guitar teacher.
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Like I told the other cops, she
didn't show.
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The thing is, Grebo -
can I call you Grebo?
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We have a witness that saw her walk
through your front door.
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I don't know what to say.
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You went through my flat.
You'll pay for the damages.
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I'll give you the number of our
complaints line.
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Jodie comes to you every week for
guitar lessons.
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When she doesn't show up, you don't
think to call her parents?
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I did the first time she tried it.
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Her dad went mental.
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What about the second or the
third time?
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Her dad kept her on a tight leash.
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If I thought for one second that she
was in trouble,
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I'd have called her dad.
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I've been driving Jodie over a year
now. Sparky kid.
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Where exactly did you drop Jodie?
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Outside Food City on Poland Street.
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Her music teacher lives above it.
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And you watched her go in?
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Always do.
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The school recommends us to parents.
It's part of the deal.
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What route did you take?
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Shaftesbury Avenue, Wardour Street,
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Broadwick Street, then onto
Poland Street.
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Lads. All right, how you doing?
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Just a quick question. How long you
been working here? Best part of a week.
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And this diversion's been in place
the whole time? Yeah.
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Am I missing something?
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Our cabbie reckons he drove down
Broadwick Street,
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and turned right onto Poland Street.
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Maybe his cab's got wings.
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OK, OK.
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Maybe I took Noel Street and turned
left into Poland Street.
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No, that's one-way.
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Then it must have been D'Arblay
Street.
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I thought these cabbies were meant
to have a memory for routes.
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Dom, I sympathise with you,
I really do.
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And I'll tell you for why.
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When I was married to the first Mrs
Brooks and I came home late,
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she would want to know every single
detail. And I used to struggle,
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because, I've gotta be honest, half
the time I couldn't remember -
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What's it matter what road I took?
Hey, hey. It matters.
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Because we reckon you took Jodie for
a little detour.
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Maybe school uniforms float your
boat. You're sick.
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I've got four girls of my own.
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You think you're a man of honour
because you won't touch your own kids,
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but if they're not related,
they're fair game. This is crazy.
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You've lied once - Dom.
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Would you like a cup of tea?
Yes.
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Yeah. Me an' all.
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What about you, Matt? Fancy a cup of
tea? Why don't you get us one?
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For the tape, DS Devlin is leaving
the room.
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Well.
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You know what, Dom?
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I think you're telling the truth.
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But I also think you're leaving
something out.
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Some little detail you're not telling
us you know.
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A bit like when I used to tell my
wife I was working late,
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and forgot to mention I'd spent four
hours in the Red Lion.
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What's the little detail?
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Traffic was hell.
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Jodie said she could walk it faster.
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I...
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..dropped her off on Wardour Street.
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Corner of Broadwick.
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Promised her dad I would never leave
till she was inside.
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We've run his name through
the system.
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Not even a parking fine.
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Right. Do you want us to let him go,
then, Guv? Don't you dare.
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He's told one lie. Maybe there'll
be more.
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We've been watching the wrong
CCTV footage.
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Now he's changed his mind about
his route,
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different cameras might come
up trumps.
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Out she gets. Ronnie?
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Got him. Nice one.
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Second after Jodie turns into
Broadwick Street.
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Can you rewind that bit?
For you, anything.
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So just after Jodie turns into
Broadwick Street,
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one of the residents of the flats
remembers seeing a white van
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hanging around the skip.
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Do you know how many white vans
there are in London?
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But not all of them have got racks
on the side.
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It's a glazier's van.
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And Jodie was found with glass
splinters in her hands.
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Which could have come from the back
of that van.
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They're all side-shots.
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The driver's in profile for maybe
one frame.
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IC1, IC2, maybe.
What about the van?
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Congestion zone cameras must have
got the registration.
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They got a beauty of the mud
obscuring it.
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What about the lettering on
the side?
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The logo's all faded.
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And the light hitting the glass
means you can't make it out.
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Basically, we're back to square one.
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Is that a window? It's not standard.
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Can't be many that shape around.
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That is a modern take on the 19th
century arch window, apparently.
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That's very good, but does he have
any idea what building it comes from?
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I reckon we've been there a
few times. You've lost me.
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That is a window from the south
block of the Old Bailey.
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That's right, we did the Old Bailey
job last week.
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Wasn't easy matching it up.
Is this one of yours?
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What's this all about?
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We asked first, Mr Andreou.
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Yeah, looks like one of my vans.
What was it, hit and run?
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We think the driver may have
witnessed a crime.
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I've got over 30 fitters. I need to
check the files.
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Leave me your number and I'll get
back to you.
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You been sober long?
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Pardon?
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'To thine own self be true.'
That's what mine says.
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How long?
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392 days.
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That's good.
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We need this information now,
Mr Andreou.
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You know the Grovewood Rehab Clinic?
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I read the brochure in between pints.
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Yeah, Christos.
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Who fitted the window on the Old
Bailey job?
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Cheers.
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Nick Carlton. Lives in Kennington.
He's out on a job.
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Don't tell my boss, right?
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I was moonlighting.
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You got the address?
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Must have chucked it out. The job
wasn't worth my while. Client's name?
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No memory for names.
That's a shame.
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What did you do after that?
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Big job in Belgravia. Traffic was
mental, got there after six,
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so I packed it in and headed for
the Westminster Bridge.
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To Kennington? Surely Vauxhall Bridge
would be quicker?
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My mum lives in Deptford. Went round
for dinner. Who else was there?
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Just Mum.
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And what time did the party finish at
your mum's?
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Dunno. Watched the footy and left.
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Your mum'll vouch that you
were there?
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Speed cameras'll do that.
Got done on the way.
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80 quid and three points. I was only
going 40.
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Nick Carlton is habitual.
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He started off with a tour of Young
Offenders Institutions at 15.
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He graduated with the big boys.
You name a nick he hasn't been in.
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What did he do? What didn't he do?
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Burglary, GBH, hit and run,
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one rape charge that never made it
to court,
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one that got him eight years.
He served four.
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The youngest victim was 20.
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Killing little girls, though,
that's a big leap.
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He has been out six years,
and nothing.
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Maybe prison did him some good.
Or taught him how not to get caught.
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Did you confirm that speed camera?
Going 40 in a 30.
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Doesn't mean he didn't have a dead
girl in the back.
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He goes straight on to his mum's
house for spag bol. Man's gotta eat.
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He's got history. He was at the
scene of the kidnapping.
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I want you to search his van. Yeah.
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We went through the van with a
fine-tooth comb.
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And I checked the material under the
microscope.
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No fibres, no hair. What? Nothing?
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Apart from bad taste in music.
242
00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,560
Well, go through it again.
If it was there, I'd have found it.
243
00:15:01,733 --> 00:15:03,903
Actually, that makes sense, Matt.
244
00:15:04,033 --> 00:15:07,073
Because Nick Carlton's been there and
back and bought the T-shirt
245
00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,130
with the old hit-and-run caper.
246
00:15:09,247 --> 00:15:12,347
The first thing he'll do is book his
vehicle in for a valet.
247
00:15:12,516 --> 00:15:15,648
But Jodie had glass in her hands.
There must be blood there.
248
00:15:15,819 --> 00:15:18,917
Just abrasions on her hands with
glass splinters embedded.
249
00:15:19,087 --> 00:15:20,972
No actual blood, I'm afraid.
250
00:15:21,386 --> 00:15:24,826
We've sent the glass off for
analysis. I've said it's a priority.
251
00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:27,060
Oh, great.
252
00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:30,439
Cheers, Teddy. Thanks.
So, what now?
253
00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:33,420
Right. Let's check his alibi.
Talk to his mum.
254
00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:39,080
I made roast pork. It's Nicky's
favourite.
255
00:15:39,282 --> 00:15:42,367
You know what I love, Mrs Carlton?
Roast pork sandwiches.
256
00:15:42,535 --> 00:15:46,015
Thick white bread, butter. Bit of
apple sauce. Pepper. Beautiful.
257
00:15:47,291 --> 00:15:50,371
What about your Nicky? Did he make
himself a sandwich before he left?
258
00:15:50,539 --> 00:15:52,424
I don't know. I went to bed.
259
00:15:53,006 --> 00:15:55,366
At what time? After the news.
260
00:15:56,635 --> 00:15:59,555
Which do you prefer, BBC London,
or London Tonight?
261
00:15:59,717 --> 00:16:01,602
They've all got the same bad news.
262
00:16:03,309 --> 00:16:06,749
Bet the Hammers look good on that.
Nicky gave it me for Christmas.
263
00:16:07,439 --> 00:16:09,359
To watch Chelsea.
264
00:16:11,027 --> 00:16:12,947
Ronnie?
265
00:16:14,322 --> 00:16:16,242
Well, well.
266
00:16:17,492 --> 00:16:19,577
We was talking about them the
other day.
267
00:16:19,703 --> 00:16:23,543
He was asking me who uses mothballs
nowadays. You get infestations.
268
00:16:23,744 --> 00:16:26,589
Kept finding the little blighters
all over.
269
00:16:27,045 --> 00:16:28,925
Coming in through my airing
cupboard.
270
00:16:30,132 --> 00:16:31,812
Mind if we have a look?
271
00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,725
You already have.
272
00:16:38,642 --> 00:16:40,562
My old mum had a set of them.
273
00:16:41,103 --> 00:16:43,663
What's that, two pillowcases and
bottom sheet?
274
00:16:44,774 --> 00:16:46,694
Top sheet would make the set.
275
00:16:56,579 --> 00:16:59,499
Not gonna be a silly boy and try and
do a runner, are you?
276
00:16:59,661 --> 00:17:01,706
No, you're an old hand at this.
277
00:17:01,830 --> 00:17:03,560
Nicholas Carlton,
278
00:17:03,671 --> 00:17:07,551
I'm arresting you on suspicion of
the kidnap and murder of Jodie Gaines.
279
00:17:07,753 --> 00:17:11,558
Maybe you'd seen little Jodie before
and picked her out especially.
280
00:17:11,758 --> 00:17:15,003
No comment. Look, Nick, the only
thing that'll help you now
281
00:17:15,179 --> 00:17:17,789
is if you tell us exactly what
happened.
282
00:17:17,937 --> 00:17:21,582
Just...say how sorry you are for
killing Jodie.
283
00:17:21,775 --> 00:17:25,215
No comment. It's your best chance of
avoiding life without parole.
284
00:17:25,399 --> 00:17:26,929
He's right.
285
00:17:27,031 --> 00:17:30,711
If you didn't mean to kill her and it
was, say, an accident,
286
00:17:31,661 --> 00:17:35,501
it's a whole other prison sentence
between manslaughter and murder.
287
00:17:35,702 --> 00:17:37,587
So, was it an accident?
288
00:17:39,796 --> 00:17:41,961
No comment.
289
00:17:42,090 --> 00:17:44,930
Judge gives him life without parole,
I wanna be there.
290
00:17:45,088 --> 00:17:47,218
I wanna see the whites of his eyes.
291
00:17:47,346 --> 00:17:50,586
The glass splinters found in Jodie's
hands are an exact match
292
00:17:50,761 --> 00:17:53,206
with the glass found in the back of
Carlton's van.
293
00:17:55,188 --> 00:17:57,068
Let's charge him.
294
00:18:03,656 --> 00:18:06,256
The defendant has a catalogue of
previous convictions,
295
00:18:06,404 --> 00:18:07,934
many of them violent.
296
00:18:08,036 --> 00:18:10,636
The Crown believes he poses a risk
to children.
297
00:18:10,784 --> 00:18:12,874
There is no suggestion that
Mr Carlton
298
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,880
has ever committed any offences
against children.
299
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,925
His last conviction is
ten years old.
300
00:18:20,593 --> 00:18:24,393
My Lord, he is the sole carer for
his elderly mother.
301
00:18:33,607 --> 00:18:35,892
I am reluctantly granting bail
302
00:18:36,027 --> 00:18:38,307
on the following strict conditions.
303
00:18:39,072 --> 00:18:41,992
Residence at his mother's address in
Deptford.
304
00:18:43,118 --> 00:18:46,498
An electronic tag and curfew between
6pm and 6am.
305
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,025
And twice daily reporting to Deptford
Police Station.
306
00:19:08,606 --> 00:19:12,126
They bailed the bastard. Lennie, I am
so sorry. We'll get him at the trial.
307
00:19:12,314 --> 00:19:14,199
Will you? You said he wouldn't
get bail.
308
00:19:20,578 --> 00:19:22,698
Kayleigh. No, you stay here.
309
00:19:22,826 --> 00:19:24,671
Kayleigh. Kayleigh.
310
00:19:49,445 --> 00:19:53,725
Get an ambulance, somebody.
CID, excuse me.
311
00:19:55,035 --> 00:19:56,995
What's going on? Wait, you're
bleeding.
312
00:19:57,115 --> 00:19:59,040
No, I'm OK. I'm OK.
313
00:20:01,584 --> 00:20:03,504
Matt. Kayleigh.
314
00:20:31,285 --> 00:20:34,725
He killed Jodie. Shut up, Kayleigh.
315
00:20:36,833 --> 00:20:38,758
Just wait for your brief to
get here.
316
00:20:38,877 --> 00:20:42,277
I'm so sorry. Mrs Gaines, please
just listen to him, OK.
317
00:20:54,144 --> 00:20:55,749
He's dead.
318
00:20:55,855 --> 00:20:57,855
Nick Carlton's dead.
319
00:21:10,163 --> 00:21:12,123
Mrs Gaines.
320
00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:16,060
I'm arresting you on the murder of
Nicholas Carlton.
321
00:21:16,206 --> 00:21:18,131
You do not have to say anything...
322
00:21:19,507 --> 00:21:22,747
Are you serious?..if you do
not mention when questioned
323
00:21:22,922 --> 00:21:24,447
something that you later rely on in
court.
324
00:21:25,222 --> 00:21:26,422
Anything you do say
325
00:21:27,266 --> 00:21:29,226
may be given in evidence.
326
00:21:33,398 --> 00:21:35,318
He killed my little girl.
327
00:21:51,502 --> 00:21:53,422
How the hell did this happen?
328
00:21:53,541 --> 00:21:55,591
It was over in a flash.
329
00:21:55,715 --> 00:21:57,975
Where were the Family Liaison
Officers?
330
00:21:58,109 --> 00:22:00,299
No-one knew that she'd react
like that.
331
00:22:00,429 --> 00:22:04,474
We can't have every victim of crime
taking the law into their own hands.
332
00:22:04,684 --> 00:22:08,724
Every van banger in the country cheering.
They're saying she deserves an OBE.
333
00:22:08,934 --> 00:22:12,459
It doesn't take much effort to put
yourself in her shoes. Maybe not.
334
00:22:12,646 --> 00:22:14,531
But it can't justify murder.
335
00:22:16,072 --> 00:22:17,992
You wanna try her for murder?
336
00:22:18,992 --> 00:22:20,952
Of course.
337
00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:24,185
What if the next grieving mum gets
herself a gun?
338
00:22:24,332 --> 00:22:27,337
Any jury will see that she's out of
her mind with grief.
339
00:22:27,502 --> 00:22:31,822
She took a knife to the Old Bailey. The
whole thing was caught on camera. Even so -
340
00:22:32,044 --> 00:22:35,809
We're backed into a corner. I know
it's tough, but we have to prosecute.
341
00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:39,291
Except your jury will be wishing
they'd stabbed him themselves.
342
00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:44,439
I don't want a big messy trial.
343
00:22:46,524 --> 00:22:48,204
Talk to the barrister.
344
00:22:48,312 --> 00:22:50,042
Make a deal.
345
00:22:50,153 --> 00:22:52,073
My client won't serve a day
for this.
346
00:22:52,192 --> 00:22:54,254
Murder has a minimum tariff, Bea.
347
00:22:54,379 --> 00:22:56,372
Even you can't magic that away.
348
00:22:56,494 --> 00:22:59,054
As soon as the jury see Nick
Carlton's record,
349
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,690
they'll be lining up to shake
Kayleigh's hand.
350
00:23:01,833 --> 00:23:04,673
If they ignore the fact that she
stuck a knife in his chest.
351
00:23:04,831 --> 00:23:07,961
The only fact that matters is that
Jodie Gaines is dead
352
00:23:08,132 --> 00:23:12,452
because the criminal justice system
can't keep scum like Carlton behind bars.
353
00:23:12,674 --> 00:23:16,559
Thanks to Kayleigh Gaines, his crime
spree is over. For good.
354
00:23:17,142 --> 00:23:19,062
It wasn't up to her to end it.
355
00:23:30,533 --> 00:23:33,333
I'm so sorry. Leave the talking to
me, Mrs Gaines.
356
00:23:33,489 --> 00:23:35,871
All I could see in my head
was Jodie.
357
00:23:36,010 --> 00:23:38,358
Dumped in that skip.
Please, Mrs Gaines.
358
00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:41,820
I kept thinking about her last
minutes alive.
359
00:23:43,339 --> 00:23:45,779
Where he kept her. Please.
What he done to her.
360
00:23:49,888 --> 00:23:51,768
How scared she must have been.
361
00:23:54,269 --> 00:23:56,509
I understand why you did it.
362
00:23:57,814 --> 00:24:00,254
You killed a man -
Yeah, he was - He was a monster.
363
00:24:02,987 --> 00:24:04,907
If he killed your little girl...
364
00:24:07,158 --> 00:24:09,118
..tell me you wouldn't feel
the same.
365
00:24:16,210 --> 00:24:19,810
I'm sorry. We're charging murder.
366
00:24:24,929 --> 00:24:28,769
You know, I've always found your
inflexibility truly irritating, James.
367
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:30,740
Then please don't let me keep you.
368
00:24:30,852 --> 00:24:33,612
Manslaughter provocation, have we
got ourselves a deal?
369
00:24:33,767 --> 00:24:36,492
This was a straight up revenge
killing. You know it.
370
00:24:36,645 --> 00:24:38,735
You think she wasn't provoked?
371
00:24:38,862 --> 00:24:42,702
He kidnapped and murdered her only
child. No, that hadn't been proved.
372
00:24:42,903 --> 00:24:45,113
Nick Carlton died an innocent man.
373
00:24:45,244 --> 00:24:49,004
Why don't you tell that to the jury?
We are on the side of the angels, James.
374
00:24:49,582 --> 00:24:53,262
You force a murder trial and you're
going to end up with egg on your face.
375
00:25:00,845 --> 00:25:03,085
You shouldn't let her get to you.
I don't. Really?
376
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,925
George said to make a deal.
Kayleigh Gaines should do time.
377
00:25:07,102 --> 00:25:10,662
Manslaughter provocation carries a
custodial. She could get 12 years.
378
00:25:10,852 --> 00:25:13,817
Or as little as 12 months.
Isn't that enough? She lost a child.
379
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:16,790
She still killed Nick Carlton.
What if he was innocent?
380
00:25:16,947 --> 00:25:20,387
She believed he was guilty.
Irrelevant. She'll get a fair trial,
381
00:25:20,571 --> 00:25:23,776
and the chance of rehabilitation.
He deserved the same.
382
00:25:23,950 --> 00:25:26,195
All I'm asking is that we show a
little mercy.
383
00:25:29,545 --> 00:25:31,545
It isn't up to us to show mercy,
Alesha.
384
00:25:32,715 --> 00:25:34,675
So, what do we do?
385
00:25:35,010 --> 00:25:37,610
We do what she should have done.
We let a jury decide.
386
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:42,519
See the tabloids this morning?
387
00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:46,890
They've giving out pull-out posters
to put in your window.
388
00:25:47,774 --> 00:25:49,259
Kayleigh's our hero.
389
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,279
I can undress myself, thank you, Bea.
390
00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:54,995
You'll never win.
391
00:25:55,116 --> 00:25:57,281
The whole nation's on her side.
392
00:25:57,410 --> 00:26:00,010
I'll take my chances.
It's not too late, you know.
393
00:26:00,789 --> 00:26:04,909
Just say those two little words and the
trial just disappears, just like that.
394
00:26:06,796 --> 00:26:09,076
Manslaughter provocation.
395
00:26:11,468 --> 00:26:13,388
The charge is murder.
396
00:26:14,138 --> 00:26:16,023
Oh, come on.
397
00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:18,500
What's a little provocation between
friends?
398
00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:23,607
Gloves off, then.
399
00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:27,570
Nick was my only child.
400
00:26:28,571 --> 00:26:31,491
After my husband passed away, Nick
looked after me.
401
00:26:32,784 --> 00:26:35,624
Your son had convictions for
violence, didn't he?
402
00:26:36,122 --> 00:26:38,082
I never said he was a saint.
403
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:41,670
If he'd anything to do with that
little girl's death,
404
00:26:41,831 --> 00:26:44,076
he should have gone to prison.
No question.
405
00:26:45,382 --> 00:26:47,262
I could've lived with that.
406
00:26:48,803 --> 00:26:50,683
But this...
407
00:26:53,141 --> 00:26:55,586
Who gave you the right to play God?
408
00:26:55,728 --> 00:26:58,528
Mrs Carlton, just answer Counsel's
questions, please.
409
00:27:02,444 --> 00:27:04,804
Her little girl's dead, and
I'm sorry.
410
00:27:07,908 --> 00:27:10,388
But who was she to kill my son?
411
00:27:15,667 --> 00:27:18,187
He was my baby.
412
00:27:22,175 --> 00:27:26,175
After your divorce, the family court
gave you custody of Jodie.
413
00:27:27,222 --> 00:27:29,102
They said Kayleigh was unfit.
414
00:27:29,767 --> 00:27:31,332
Why was that?
415
00:27:31,435 --> 00:27:34,835
When she had Jodie, the anaesthetist
botched the epidural.
416
00:27:37,150 --> 00:27:39,070
Messed up a nerve in her back.
417
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:42,199
GP gave her painkillers.
418
00:27:43,407 --> 00:27:45,892
But Kayleigh had a problem getting
off them.
419
00:27:46,035 --> 00:27:48,915
Is it right Kayleigh was born
addicted to crack cocaine?
420
00:27:50,916 --> 00:27:52,161
Yeah.
421
00:27:52,251 --> 00:27:54,176
We heard from our expert
witness earlier
422
00:27:54,295 --> 00:27:57,255
that crack babies have a
predisposition to addictions.
423
00:27:57,418 --> 00:27:59,148
So it must have been no surprise
424
00:27:59,259 --> 00:28:01,899
when Kayleigh became addicted to the
painkillers.
425
00:28:02,555 --> 00:28:04,475
She was addicted within weeks.
426
00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:08,451
But she got off 'em.
427
00:28:08,561 --> 00:28:11,401
After her recovery, what sort of
mother was she?
428
00:28:14,068 --> 00:28:15,988
Good one.
429
00:28:18,615 --> 00:28:20,535
Loving one.
430
00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:23,620
No further questions.
431
00:28:28,209 --> 00:28:31,329
Having gained custody of Jodie seven
years ago,
432
00:28:32,589 --> 00:28:34,909
you've been her sole carer,
haven't you?
433
00:28:35,045 --> 00:28:35,975
That's right.
434
00:28:36,051 --> 00:28:38,496
So, surely you're the one
435
00:28:38,638 --> 00:28:41,278
who must feel the loss of
Jodie most acutely.
436
00:28:42,225 --> 00:28:44,145
You're the one who must feel most...
437
00:28:45,771 --> 00:28:47,691
..provoked.
438
00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:50,190
Yeah, I suppose so. And yet...
439
00:28:51,486 --> 00:28:53,806
..you didn't feel like killing
Mr Carlton.
440
00:28:56,158 --> 00:28:58,283
I'm not a violent man.
441
00:28:58,411 --> 00:29:01,456
I couldn't do something like that.
No, you couldn't.
442
00:29:01,623 --> 00:29:05,023
Provoked or not, no normal, decent
person could, could they?
443
00:29:05,205 --> 00:29:08,210
Is my learned friend making a speech
already, milord?
444
00:29:08,375 --> 00:29:11,500
Mr Steel, plenty of time for
speeches later.
445
00:29:22,522 --> 00:29:25,842
On count one, the murder of
Nicholas Carlton,
446
00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:29,305
do you find the defendant guilty or
not guilty?
447
00:29:30,406 --> 00:29:32,246
Not guilty.
448
00:29:32,361 --> 00:29:34,166
On count two,
449
00:29:34,702 --> 00:29:37,027
the manslaughter of Nicholas Carlton,
450
00:29:37,163 --> 00:29:39,963
do you find the defendant guilty or
not guilty?
451
00:29:43,004 --> 00:29:44,964
Guilty.
452
00:29:55,351 --> 00:29:57,271
A man lost his life.
453
00:29:59,397 --> 00:30:03,357
He may indeed have been responsible
for the death of Mrs Gaines' daughter.
454
00:30:04,028 --> 00:30:06,108
But it is not one person's right
455
00:30:06,233 --> 00:30:08,078
to end the life of another.
456
00:30:10,744 --> 00:30:13,264
This offence is clearly so serious,
457
00:30:13,408 --> 00:30:16,013
only custody is appropriate.
458
00:30:17,418 --> 00:30:19,938
The sentence I pass is one of 12
months in prison.
459
00:30:25,886 --> 00:30:27,806
Mrs Gaines.
460
00:30:28,473 --> 00:30:32,713
No doubt the real punishment for you
is to bear the loss of your daughter.
461
00:30:35,814 --> 00:30:37,734
You have my deepest sympathy.
462
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,800
The sentence is wholly suspended for
two years.
463
00:31:00,509 --> 00:31:04,069
He might as well have congratulated
her on hitting a major artery.
464
00:31:04,259 --> 00:31:06,864
Does that judge have any idea what
he did in there?
465
00:31:07,012 --> 00:31:08,914
We go through all this, and for what?
466
00:31:09,032 --> 00:31:10,865
To hand a get-out-of-jail-free card
467
00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:14,460
to every knife-wielding maniac who
cries provocation? Maybe not.
468
00:31:17,613 --> 00:31:19,458
Alesha.
469
00:31:19,573 --> 00:31:21,178
Just to let you know.
470
00:31:21,283 --> 00:31:24,963
We found out Kayleigh Gaines was
treated for heroin addiction last year.
471
00:31:25,158 --> 00:31:28,563
Maybe she went further when the
GP stopped her painkillers. Maybe.
472
00:31:28,745 --> 00:31:31,987
But it's not what, it's where.
At the Grovewood Rehab Clinic.
473
00:31:32,163 --> 00:31:35,371
So she went to Grovewood. Trial's
over, what does it matter?
474
00:31:36,468 --> 00:31:39,428
She had company. Nick Carlton's boss
Farris Andreou,
475
00:31:39,591 --> 00:31:41,476
also dried out at the Grovewood.
476
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:49,469
Kayleigh Gaines and Farris Andreou
both went through rehab last year.
477
00:31:50,275 --> 00:31:52,440
Kayleigh was NHS funded.
478
00:31:52,569 --> 00:31:55,729
So Farris Andreou knew that Kayleigh
Gaines had a daughter.
479
00:31:55,901 --> 00:31:58,023
Whatever he knew about her
personal life
480
00:31:58,151 --> 00:32:00,239
didn't need to come from
the sessions.
481
00:32:00,365 --> 00:32:01,935
They had an affair.
482
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,019
They broke a cardinal rule.
483
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:06,085
We asked them to leave.
484
00:32:07,879 --> 00:32:10,599
She had to know Andreou was
Nick Carlton's boss.
485
00:32:11,925 --> 00:32:14,285
Do you think all three of them were
involved?
486
00:32:14,762 --> 00:32:17,162
Be a hell of a coincidence if
they weren't.
487
00:32:17,301 --> 00:32:19,146
Why else hide it?
488
00:32:21,561 --> 00:32:23,726
The Italian doctor had the hots
for me.
489
00:32:23,855 --> 00:32:26,575
I knocked her back. She thought I
was with Kayleigh.
490
00:32:26,729 --> 00:32:28,774
Who you forgot to mention that
you knew.
491
00:32:29,612 --> 00:32:31,532
We know you've been inside.
492
00:32:32,574 --> 00:32:34,979
For tax evasion. White collar stuff.
493
00:32:35,118 --> 00:32:37,403
Is that where you met Nick Carlton,
in prison?
494
00:32:37,538 --> 00:32:40,498
We were pad-mates, till he got
ghosted out to Ashbridge.
495
00:32:40,661 --> 00:32:42,591
And after that you became penpals?
496
00:32:42,711 --> 00:32:46,191
He came knocking on my door looking
for a job. I felt sorry for him.
497
00:32:46,376 --> 00:32:49,261
And you often employ convicted
rapists, do you?
498
00:32:50,052 --> 00:32:52,097
What are you talking about?
499
00:32:52,222 --> 00:32:54,387
The young woman Nick Carlton raped.
500
00:32:54,516 --> 00:32:57,356
She woke up and found him sitting on
the end of her bed. No.
501
00:32:59,230 --> 00:33:01,270
He wouldn't. He did.
502
00:33:01,394 --> 00:33:03,564
He tied her up.
503
00:33:03,693 --> 00:33:07,413
He gagged her, to stop her flatmates
hearing her scream, then raped her.
504
00:33:11,369 --> 00:33:14,909
Carlton was in for fraud, swindling
some insurance company.
505
00:33:15,097 --> 00:33:18,509
If you bought that story, you were
the only one being swindled.
506
00:33:18,692 --> 00:33:22,070
He would have been on the nonce's
wing. Maybe he had friends.
507
00:33:22,251 --> 00:33:24,541
Friends like you, just turn a
blind eye.
508
00:33:24,676 --> 00:33:27,156
You have to believe me. If I'd known
he raped anyone,
509
00:33:27,298 --> 00:33:29,228
I wouldn't have given him a job.
510
00:33:29,348 --> 00:33:32,748
You're facing quite a few charges
here, Farris. I didn't know!
511
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:36,295
Kidnap, conspiracy to murder,
perverting the course of justice.
512
00:33:39,276 --> 00:33:41,441
To thine own self be true.
513
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:44,170
And it must follow,
as the night the day.
514
00:33:45,992 --> 00:33:48,992
Thou canst not then
be false to any man.
515
00:33:50,831 --> 00:33:53,671
That quote from Hamlet gets us
through another day.
516
00:33:53,829 --> 00:33:55,571
Be honest with ourselves,
517
00:33:55,682 --> 00:33:57,390
and we can stay sober.
518
00:33:58,047 --> 00:34:00,967
Gotta be honest with others too.
Haven't you, Farris?
519
00:34:02,761 --> 00:34:04,681
Only then are we truly healed.
520
00:34:06,682 --> 00:34:10,082
So, what have you and Kayleigh
Gaines been hiding from us?
521
00:34:16,402 --> 00:34:18,322
I owed her.
522
00:34:20,073 --> 00:34:22,273
They kicked her out of rehab because
of me.
523
00:34:25,037 --> 00:34:27,717
But I only gave her Nick Carlton's
phone number.
524
00:34:27,868 --> 00:34:30,473
I swear to God, that is all I did.
525
00:34:31,544 --> 00:34:32,909
OK. For the tape,
526
00:34:33,004 --> 00:34:37,004
Farris Andreou, who did you give Nick
Carlton's phone number to?
527
00:34:41,347 --> 00:34:43,307
Kayleigh.
528
00:34:44,392 --> 00:34:46,312
It was all Kayleigh.
529
00:34:46,979 --> 00:34:49,939
She said she wanted Nick Carlton to
do something for her.
530
00:34:51,984 --> 00:34:54,744
Could she have hired Carlton to
snatch Jodie?
531
00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:57,265
Why would she?
532
00:34:57,366 --> 00:34:59,966
Kayleigh, be straight with us.
533
00:35:00,114 --> 00:35:01,959
Me and Farris?
534
00:35:04,207 --> 00:35:06,127
Just a fling.
535
00:35:07,085 --> 00:35:10,285
He reckons you and Nick Carlton were
in it together.
536
00:35:11,173 --> 00:35:13,133
What?
537
00:35:13,718 --> 00:35:15,678
Why would he say that?
538
00:35:17,848 --> 00:35:19,768
He's lying.
539
00:35:23,479 --> 00:35:25,604
Why is he doing this to me?
540
00:35:25,732 --> 00:35:28,452
Farris reckons you were trying to
get back at Lennie.
541
00:35:28,985 --> 00:35:30,905
Cos he wouldn't let you see Jodie.
542
00:35:31,238 --> 00:35:33,243
We get on.
543
00:35:33,365 --> 00:35:35,325
Me and Lennie - Kayleigh.
544
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:39,749
How can you even think...
545
00:35:44,462 --> 00:35:46,507
What mum...
546
00:35:46,631 --> 00:35:48,951
could do that to her own kid?
547
00:35:50,135 --> 00:35:52,135
Do you think she's telling
the truth?
548
00:35:54,306 --> 00:35:56,906
What do you think? Could it be
an act?
549
00:35:58,853 --> 00:36:00,773
Honestly, I don't know.
550
00:36:01,773 --> 00:36:03,578
So, what now?
551
00:36:03,692 --> 00:36:05,932
You wanna know if someone's telling
the truth,
552
00:36:06,065 --> 00:36:08,270
you talk to the person who knows
them best.
553
00:36:10,909 --> 00:36:13,189
Do you...really think
554
00:36:13,323 --> 00:36:15,568
Kayleigh did this?
555
00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:21,670
I'm sorry.
556
00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:24,634
I can't take this in.
557
00:36:25,801 --> 00:36:27,806
At the trial,
558
00:36:27,928 --> 00:36:30,208
you swore she was a good mother.
559
00:36:34,311 --> 00:36:36,231
She was hurting enough.
560
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:40,220
Just said what her barrister told me
to say.
561
00:36:43,154 --> 00:36:45,154
What didn't you say, Lennie?
562
00:36:47,409 --> 00:36:49,329
There was this time,
563
00:36:50,287 --> 00:36:53,087
she was late bringing Jodie back.
12 hours late.
564
00:36:53,244 --> 00:36:55,289
Kayleigh had taken her down to
Hastings.
565
00:36:56,086 --> 00:36:58,726
Locked her up in some hole of a B&B
and gone off to...
566
00:37:02,051 --> 00:37:03,971
..to score.
567
00:37:05,054 --> 00:37:08,619
She was using again.
Jodie was terrified.
568
00:37:08,809 --> 00:37:11,689
She said it was like Mummy was
asleep with her eyes open.
569
00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:14,273
So I stopped the visits.
570
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:18,569
You should have told the police.
571
00:37:19,112 --> 00:37:23,072
I know.
572
00:37:24,827 --> 00:37:27,627
Please, God, tell me she's not
involved.
573
00:37:28,581 --> 00:37:31,101
I mean, I saw these interviews.
The appeal.
574
00:37:31,246 --> 00:37:33,211
She was shaking with grief.
575
00:37:33,332 --> 00:37:35,177
It wasn't grief.
576
00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:37,865
It was withdrawal.
577
00:37:37,967 --> 00:37:41,127
But why would she stop using just
when she needed it most?
578
00:37:41,299 --> 00:37:43,984
The stress must have been enormous.
No choice.
579
00:37:44,136 --> 00:37:46,306
The minute Jodie was reported
missing,
580
00:37:46,435 --> 00:37:49,075
she had Family Liaison Officers with
her day and night.
581
00:37:49,225 --> 00:37:51,155
Why didn't we see it?
582
00:37:51,274 --> 00:37:53,439
Addicts make very good liars.
583
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:56,809
The police knew it was someone
close. They got the wrong parent.
584
00:37:56,984 --> 00:37:58,714
But why?
585
00:37:58,825 --> 00:38:02,385
What could possibly drive her to have
her own daughter kidnapped?
586
00:38:02,574 --> 00:38:04,419
Kayleigh.
587
00:38:06,834 --> 00:38:09,914
That mobile phone was found in
your flat.
588
00:38:10,082 --> 00:38:13,092
Hidden inside a resealed milk carton.
589
00:38:13,258 --> 00:38:15,778
The phone is registered to a Mrs
Gemma Miller.
590
00:38:15,922 --> 00:38:17,932
We've been in touch with her.
591
00:38:18,055 --> 00:38:22,295
She confirms that she sold the phone via
an online auction site to a Kayleigh Gaines.
592
00:38:23,853 --> 00:38:25,733
This...
593
00:38:27,149 --> 00:38:30,509
..is a record of the call traffic
between that mobile phone,
594
00:38:30,689 --> 00:38:32,739
and Nick Carlton's.
595
00:38:32,864 --> 00:38:35,824
We also know you were texting each
other like teenagers
596
00:38:35,987 --> 00:38:38,409
the week Jodie went missing.
597
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:40,903
I did buy that phone, yeah.
598
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,500
But it was nicked the day I got it.
599
00:38:43,642 --> 00:38:46,032
Maybe Farris took it. I was
thinking,
600
00:38:46,171 --> 00:38:49,291
Farris and Nick Carlton, maybe they
was in on it together.
601
00:38:49,461 --> 00:38:51,346
The problem here, Kayleigh,
602
00:38:51,844 --> 00:38:55,964
is that we can tell the location of the
calls as well as the phone they came from.
603
00:38:56,177 --> 00:38:58,542
The calls from your phone came...
604
00:39:00,270 --> 00:39:02,150
..from your flat.
605
00:39:06,319 --> 00:39:09,759
So, you see, Kayleigh, we know
you're involved.
606
00:39:16,164 --> 00:39:18,084
Kayleigh? All right.
607
00:39:35,269 --> 00:39:37,149
He was only supposed to hide her.
608
00:40:01,841 --> 00:40:06,401
Kayleigh hired a sex offender to snatch Jodie
off the street and keep her hidden for six days.
609
00:40:06,633 --> 00:40:08,803
That's kidnap, false imprisonment
610
00:40:08,933 --> 00:40:12,373
and the child cruelty involved makes
it unlawful act manslaughter.
611
00:40:12,557 --> 00:40:15,219
Hang on. Jodie died as a result of
being gagged.
612
00:40:15,369 --> 00:40:17,962
Are we saying Kayleigh knew Carlton
would gag Jodie?
613
00:40:18,110 --> 00:40:22,350
You can add perverting the course of
justice to that list cos she is a born liar.
614
00:40:22,568 --> 00:40:24,413
So we charge her with all four
offences.
615
00:40:24,529 --> 00:40:26,374
But if we do, we do it right.
616
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:30,590
She will change her story ten times
before she goes into that witness box.
617
00:40:30,786 --> 00:40:32,831
You need to corroborate these
witnesses.
618
00:40:35,338 --> 00:40:37,818
Mrs Carlton, the police are going to
charge you
619
00:40:37,961 --> 00:40:39,806
with assisting an offender. Oh.
620
00:40:40,970 --> 00:40:42,850
That's rich.
621
00:40:43,765 --> 00:40:45,965
Lock me up. A pensioner.
622
00:40:46,935 --> 00:40:49,935
While that murdering bitch walks
around free as you like.
623
00:40:50,773 --> 00:40:55,653
Did your son tell you why Kayleigh
Gaines wanted Jodie kidnapped?
624
00:41:04,622 --> 00:41:07,307
The more you can tell us about her
involvement,
625
00:41:07,459 --> 00:41:10,179
the greater chance we have of putting
her behind bars.
626
00:41:12,089 --> 00:41:14,329
If Nick said anything...
627
00:41:18,179 --> 00:41:20,099
After the girl got sick,
628
00:41:20,807 --> 00:41:22,727
Nick said he called Mrs Gaines.
629
00:41:23,978 --> 00:41:25,898
Told her that they needed a doctor.
630
00:41:27,857 --> 00:41:29,897
He wanted to take her himself,
631
00:41:30,021 --> 00:41:31,866
but Mrs Gaines said no.
632
00:41:33,864 --> 00:41:35,864
Said they'd both get sent down,
633
00:41:35,986 --> 00:41:38,108
if anyone found out.
634
00:41:38,236 --> 00:41:40,289
Nick told Mrs Gaines
635
00:41:40,413 --> 00:41:43,053
that the girl was crying and making
a lot of noise.
636
00:41:46,545 --> 00:41:47,945
She said...
637
00:41:49,298 --> 00:41:51,218
..tape her mouth up.
638
00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:53,972
Stop her whining.
639
00:41:58,309 --> 00:42:00,229
It was only meant to be a week.
640
00:42:01,521 --> 00:42:03,686
Fortnight, tops.
641
00:42:03,815 --> 00:42:06,735
You were prepared to let a
total stranger
642
00:42:06,897 --> 00:42:08,742
look after Jodie for two weeks?
643
00:42:09,155 --> 00:42:11,035
It was a nice flat.
644
00:42:11,699 --> 00:42:14,619
She had everything she needed.
Telly, X-Box, the lot.
645
00:42:16,705 --> 00:42:20,545
Nick Carlton was a convicted rapist,
wasn't he?
646
00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,791
Yeah, but he never touched her,
did he?
647
00:42:22,915 --> 00:42:24,800
The police said she weren't abused.
648
00:42:26,216 --> 00:42:30,576
You stabbed Nick Carlton to cover up
your involvement, didn't you?
649
00:42:31,931 --> 00:42:34,051
I stabbed him cos he killed my
little girl.
650
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:36,980
The papers called me a hero.
651
00:42:40,149 --> 00:42:42,029
I'm still the same person.
652
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:45,154
Yes.
653
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,160
Yes, you are.
654
00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:54,410
Why did you get Nick Carlton to
kidnap Jodie?
655
00:42:57,502 --> 00:42:59,502
It was Farris.
656
00:42:59,624 --> 00:43:01,589
It was his idea.
657
00:43:03,175 --> 00:43:05,340
When a kid goes missing,
658
00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:07,670
the papers wanna talk to the mum,
don't they?
659
00:43:09,182 --> 00:43:10,827
Farris said
660
00:43:10,934 --> 00:43:12,854
if there was a happy ending,
661
00:43:12,973 --> 00:43:14,858
papers would pay a fortune.
662
00:43:16,607 --> 00:43:19,927
You put Jodie's life at risk, just so
you could sell your story?
663
00:43:20,987 --> 00:43:22,992
I didn't know he'd kill her, did I?
664
00:43:23,115 --> 00:43:25,875
Kayleigh, make me understand why you
would risk her life.
665
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:27,875
What did you need the money for?
666
00:43:40,677 --> 00:43:42,597
I wanted...to be a proper mum.
667
00:43:47,935 --> 00:43:49,855
The kind I never had.
668
00:43:57,863 --> 00:44:00,463
She grew inside me, all safe.
669
00:44:01,868 --> 00:44:05,668
And then...the minute she was born
it all went wrong.
670
00:44:11,212 --> 00:44:13,132
Lennie just took her away from me.
671
00:44:13,673 --> 00:44:16,953
He just - He just...took over.
672
00:44:23,393 --> 00:44:26,113
I kept trying to find my way back,
but I couldn't.
673
00:44:35,031 --> 00:44:36,671
I needed the money...
674
00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:39,789
..to pay for rehab.
675
00:44:40,579 --> 00:44:42,539
I was all booked in.
676
00:44:43,541 --> 00:44:45,546
I - I was gonna get clean,
677
00:44:45,668 --> 00:44:47,548
so I could be with Jodie again,
678
00:44:48,338 --> 00:44:51,458
Then why didn't you do it the right
way, the normal way?
679
00:44:51,628 --> 00:44:53,793
Get clean, then prove yourself to
the courts?
680
00:44:53,923 --> 00:44:55,808
How?
681
00:44:56,264 --> 00:44:58,224
The NHS wouldn't fund me twice.
682
00:44:59,392 --> 00:45:00,637
I begged for help.
683
00:45:00,727 --> 00:45:02,727
I screamed and shouted for it.
684
00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:04,992
But nobody listened.
685
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,228
Because people like you,
686
00:45:08,027 --> 00:45:09,907
like her...
687
00:45:11,448 --> 00:45:14,128
..all of you, you don't see me.
688
00:45:20,125 --> 00:45:23,285
I'm that bit of shit on the pavement
you step around,
689
00:45:23,457 --> 00:45:25,302
so you don't mess up your shoes.
690
00:45:27,884 --> 00:45:30,644
I was gonna get clean and take
her away.
691
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,240
We were going to Ibiza.
Me and Jodie.
692
00:45:34,808 --> 00:45:36,848
Far away from London and Lennie.
693
00:45:36,972 --> 00:45:39,062
And the drugs.
694
00:45:39,188 --> 00:45:42,788
So we could be together. So I could
be her mum again.
695
00:45:42,979 --> 00:45:45,309
You were going to take that little
girl away
696
00:45:45,445 --> 00:45:48,825
from the only loving parent she knew?
I loved her more than him.
697
00:45:49,007 --> 00:45:52,352
You didn't think about the trauma
of being snatched off the street
698
00:45:52,532 --> 00:45:54,622
by a total stranger.
It wasn't like that.
699
00:45:54,748 --> 00:45:57,828
You didn't lose any sleep over
Jodie being in the back of a van,
700
00:45:57,996 --> 00:46:00,358
tied up, her mouth taped shut.
You're wrong.
701
00:46:00,496 --> 00:46:02,824
All because you wanted to be a
proper mum again.
702
00:46:07,888 --> 00:46:10,488
You don't deserve to be a mum.
703
00:46:10,538 --> 00:46:15,088
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