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- There's
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- Look at those, cool.
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- This was no
ordinary outing to the zoo.
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It was a very special occasion.
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It was part of a programme filmed in 1964
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when we brought together a
group of seven-year-old children
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from vastly different backgrounds.
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We went to prep schools, primary schools,
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state schools, and private schools
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and picked out 14 children.
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We brought them together because we wanted
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a glimpse of the shop
steward and the executive
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of the year 2000.
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"Give me a child until he is seven,
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"and I will give you the man."
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These children are now 14,
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halfway between childhood and manhood.
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This is our interim report.
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- If we did all love Jeffrey
and we all want to marry.
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- Yeah.
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- I think I know the one
that he'd likes best,
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and that's her.
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- Jackie, Lindsay, Susan.
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- Plenty of boyfriends, but not one--
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- Not one in particular.
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You're friends with
plenty of boys, you know.
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- My heart's desire is to see my daddy,
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who's 6000 miles away.
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- Bruce.
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- You know, I've been getting on well
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with my stepfather, and I like
to see my father occasionally
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and he does come over from Rhodesia.
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- Do you have a girlfriend?
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- Nicholas
from the Yorkshire Dales.
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- I don't want to answer that.
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I don't answer those kind of questions.
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No, I'm not answering that one.
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- Suzy.
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- I gave that up as a failure.
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- I was gonna be a policeman,
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but I've thought how hard
it would be to join in.
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- Paul.
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- Basketball appeals to me most,
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but with this school, I'm
one of their best players
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in form two, but when I get into a team,
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they make me look like I can't play.
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- I feel like bundling when
there's already a fight.
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- I was gonna be a film star, but--
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- Symon.
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- Now, I'm gonna be an
electrical engineer,
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which is more to reality really.
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- Singing
Waltzing Matilda in Latin
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at an exclusive pre-prep
school in Kensington,
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we chose three boys.
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Charles,
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Andrew.
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- I read the Financial Times.
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- And John.
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- I read Observer and the Times.
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- What do you like about it?
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- Well, I like, I usually
look at the headlines,
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and then read about them, about it.
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- I like my newspaper because I got shares
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and I know every day what the shares are.
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- Stuff like misers like you like.
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- No, but on Mondays, they don't move up,
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so I don't look at it.
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I made several blunders on Seven Up.
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For instance, I said I
was going to Trinity Hall
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instead of Trinity College.
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They didn't like that too
much, nor did my father.
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Also, I rather exaggerated when I said
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how much I liked stocks and shares
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because I don't anymore.
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- How do
you think you've changed
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since you were seven years old?
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- Well, I mean, one grows so slowly
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that one never notices honestly.
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I feel the same as I felt
at seven, I may not be.
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When I leave this school,
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I'm going to Collet Court,
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and then I will be going to
Westminster Boarding School
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if I pass the exam.
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- John passed
the entrance exam,
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and is a weekly boarder
at Westminster School.
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- When I leave school,
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I'm going the Dragon School, I might,
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and mummy's, and after I might go
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to Charter House Marlborough.
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- Charles is at Marlborough.
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- When I leave this school,
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I go to Broadstairs' St. Peter's Court,
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then after that, I'm
going to Charterhouse.
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- Andrew is at Charterhouse.
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- When I leave this school,
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I'm down for Heathfield
and Southover Manor.
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- Suzy is at Southover Manor.
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- Would everybody
please sit round now?
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- For
one-third of our children,
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their education was
pre-planned and paid for.
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The remainder went to state schools,
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and their future seemed less certain.
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- I want to be a jockey when I grow up.
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Yeah, I want to be a
jockey when I grow up.
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- Tony is on the
way to achieving his ambition.
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He spends all his free time
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at Tommy Gosling's
Racing Stables at Epsom.
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- My dad got on to Mr. Gosling.
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Mr. Gosling told me I can come here
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for every school holidays
and learn a bit more.
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Next April, I'll be leaving school,
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and I'll work for him for good.
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- Did your parents
encourage you to do this?
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- Yeah, they're pleased with
everything what I've got,
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you know, going to do,
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but they always has
wanted me to be a jockey.
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- Why?
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- Enjoyment, just to
say, "My son's a jockey,"
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like, you know what I mean?
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- Tony's change
from elementary school
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to Secondary Modern
didn't alter his ambition,
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but how about the other children?
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Has a change of school changed them?
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Bruce was at a pre-preparatory
boarding school in Surrey.
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- And that's farmer heath
gives me nightmares.
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I was about five when I went there,
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and then,
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I suppose I was too young
really to understand it,
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and I thought it was a
bit severe at the time,
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but then I just got used to it,
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and didn't have sort of any impulses
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to do things wrong, anything like that,
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and I just got into the track of.
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- We're supposed to go sideways.
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- You know, of what they said
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you must do and mustn't.
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- Right, steady.
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Let's go left foot everyone, place.
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Squad pleasing.
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- At St. Paul's, I like the companionship,
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you know, with other boys really.
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It's a bit, and you get that
much more in a boarding school.
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- Well, I think boarding
makes you feel self-sufficient
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and also teaches you to
be away from your parents,
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and to live with people for a long time,
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which you have to do in later life anyway.
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- Well, I agree with
that a certain amount,
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but when you board on a weekly basis,
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you have the best of
both worlds, so to speak.
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One sees one's parents at the weekend,
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and one gets all the benefits
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from an English boarding school.
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- I think prep school
boarding is a bad idea
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because up til about 12,
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maybe it's different with other people,
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but I've found you're much
more attached to your parents
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once you come to about 13, 14,
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you're not quite so attached to them.
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- Two of our boys
who didn't have the chance
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to be attached to their parents
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were those brought up in a children's home
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supported by charity, Symon.
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- I had one dream,
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and everything flew up in the air.
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It all landed on my head.
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- Symon stayed at
the home until last Christmas
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when he returned to live with his mother.
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- They say, "Where's your father, then?
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"You know, when your mum's out at work,
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"stay with your father."
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And I just tell them, I ain't got one.
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- What
effect has that had on you?
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- Well, I don't think
it's had any effect on me
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because what you don't
have, you don't miss,
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as far as I can see.
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- Also at the children's home
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with Symon was Paul.
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He and his family emigrated
when he was eight.
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- I don't like the big boys hitting us
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and the monitors up in the washroom
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sends the nurse out,
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and there's no talking,
but I wasn't talking today,
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and Brown sent me out for nothing.
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- What do
you remember of England?
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- It seemed to be raining all the time.
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I wouldn't stake my life on it
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because I can't remember very much.
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- He went to Australia
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to start a new life.
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- Well, I was going
to become a bank accountant,
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but it's more book taking, the mess,
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and that was main reason I was thinking
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about becoming a panel beater.
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And I don't know why now I've
stopped thinking about that.
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I just haven't made up my mind yet.
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I was going to be a phys ed teacher,
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but one of the teachers told me
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that they had to get up into university.
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- Were you happy
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at the children's home in England?
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- I mean, I didn't mind that really
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because we didn't know what was going on
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because I was a bit young.
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- Were you happier then
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than you are now?
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- In a way, yeah, I was,
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but then, I'm happy for being at home.
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At the school, everything you wanted,
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you just had it,
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and everybody was your friend,
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and you never knew any enemies, really,
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but here, people are undecided about you.
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They could be your friend one day,
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and not the next.
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- And then I moved up
to a comprehensive school.
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I found it much bigger, of course,
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and I found it hard to
settle into at first.
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- From a Liverpool suburb,
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returning home from the
comprehensive school,
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Neil and Peter.
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- I'm much more happy here
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than when I first came.
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You get so many different types of people.
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People different sort of brains, you know,
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from the very clever people
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to you know, people who haven't got
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much sense at all really.
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Well, we pretend we've got swords,
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and we make the noise
of the swords fighting,
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and Lancelot he stabs
us, we go.
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I've been playing since I started
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at the comprehensive school
since the first year.
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We play international wrestling.
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- Yeah, that's only summer time, though.
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- Yeah, only when we can go in the grass.
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- There used to be a senior team,
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but they all lost interest.
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Watch this, checkmate.
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- Oh, hey, gosh, it is.
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How did you do that?
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I guess it's a very good
idea to have competition
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otherwise, you might start to relax really
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and not to try hard enough.
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- What do you think?
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- I agree, yes, it's a good thing.
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If there was no one to compete with,
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you wouldn't be trying so hard.
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- The three
little girls from East End
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had the choice of going to a comprehensive
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or a grammar school.
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- I'm going to work in Woolworth's.
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- Lindsay
chose the grammar school.
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- Why am I using a wooden spoon, please,
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to stir the saucepan?
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- The noise.
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- The noise, yes, we've got 16 people,
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16 saucepans, we don't want the noise
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from 16 people stirring with metal spoons.
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- This is my first choice,
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and this is where I turned up
261
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even though some of my friends
262
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were going to the other school.
263
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- I didn't feel like
going to a grammar school.
264
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I just, you know, comprehensive school,
265
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it just seemed more friendly, you know.
266
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At the time, yes, but now
they may be different.
267
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- Grammar school's fantastic.
268
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- If you say so.
269
00:12:20,921 --> 00:12:23,881
- Well, we've all got our opinions.
270
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- I like--
271
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- What advantages
has a comprehensive school got?
272
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- Oh, especially this school, it's new,
273
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and they've got everything you could want.
274
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They got equipment.
275
00:12:34,321 --> 00:12:36,121
- What I enjoy about this school is,
276
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with this school, we do
metal work and woodwork,
277
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and the boys do cookery.
278
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And we get our share of
everything as it were.
279
00:12:46,321 --> 00:12:48,361
- It's good though,
learning metal work, innit?
280
00:12:48,561 --> 00:12:49,281
- Well, in a grammar school,
281
00:12:49,481 --> 00:12:50,641
I don't think you'd find many girls
282
00:12:50,841 --> 00:12:53,481
that really want to do
metal work or woodwork.
283
00:12:53,681 --> 00:12:55,001
- Now, see that's what I mean.
284
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That's the difference.
285
00:12:56,561 --> 00:13:02,781
- That sort of shows the
difference in the people.
286
00:13:03,241 --> 00:13:03,961
- One of the
keys to the character
287
00:13:04,161 --> 00:13:07,401
of the seven-year-old was how
they spent their free time.
288
00:13:07,601 --> 00:13:10,501
Bruce had his school band.
289
00:13:12,601 --> 00:13:15,521
- When I go home, I come in,
290
00:13:15,721 --> 00:13:18,201
and mummy gives me a cup of tea,
291
00:13:18,401 --> 00:13:20,201
and then I go out and play.
292
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And when it starts to get dark.
293
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I come in again and put on TV.
294
00:13:34,721 --> 00:13:37,121
- But I don't got to go to bed til 7.
295
00:13:37,321 --> 00:13:43,461
- I usually go to bed 10
o'clock or 11 o'clock.
296
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Sometimes I go dog racing.
297
00:13:47,721 --> 00:13:50,281
Of course, I like going there
for something to do at night,
298
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so I don't really do anything at night,
299
00:13:52,841 --> 00:13:56,601
only running dogs or watch
other things, watch telly.
300
00:13:56,801 --> 00:13:58,961
- I don't watch very much television.
301
00:13:59,161 --> 00:14:00,001
- I used to watch it a lot,
302
00:14:00,201 --> 00:14:02,521
but I'm not watching it so much,
303
00:14:02,721 --> 00:14:04,881
and I think it's good because lots of it
304
00:14:05,081 --> 00:14:07,561
is corrupting me a bit.
305
00:14:07,761 --> 00:14:11,641
- A like serials, like
Peyton Place and Crossroads,
306
00:14:11,841 --> 00:14:12,961
always watch Crossroads if I can.
307
00:14:13,161 --> 00:14:16,161
- For one thing, the
advertisements, you know.
308
00:14:16,361 --> 00:14:20,041
I can recite about six tunes off of it,
309
00:14:20,241 --> 00:14:23,121
and it just seems a
worthless thing to know.
310
00:14:23,321 --> 00:14:24,921
- There's too many
things going on at school
311
00:14:25,121 --> 00:14:26,961
though we do have a television,
312
00:14:27,161 --> 00:14:29,881
and at the weekend, they
can be more selective,
313
00:14:30,081 --> 00:14:32,641
and there's not much that I like.
314
00:14:32,841 --> 00:14:34,601
- Well, I'm quite
interested in archaeology,
315
00:14:34,801 --> 00:14:37,081
and we're doing a local dig at Vinscomb,
316
00:14:37,281 --> 00:14:38,121
near our school.
317
00:14:39,321 --> 00:14:40,881
- Being in Set One, it's very, very hard
318
00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:43,241
to keep up with the leaders.
319
00:14:43,441 --> 00:14:46,161
I never have a time to relax at all.
320
00:14:46,361 --> 00:14:48,441
- What do
you do in an evening?
321
00:14:48,641 --> 00:14:49,881
- Just go out with friends normally.
322
00:14:50,081 --> 00:14:51,161
- Yeah.
323
00:14:51,161 --> 00:14:53,201
- Or to clubs sometimes.
324
00:14:53,401 --> 00:14:54,801
- Yeah, there aren't
many clubs around here.
325
00:14:55,001 --> 00:14:56,441
It's disgusting, it really is.
326
00:14:56,641 --> 00:15:00,041
You hear people talking
about it on television,
327
00:15:00,241 --> 00:15:02,761
but it's really bad round in the east end.
328
00:15:02,961 --> 00:15:05,041
It really is, there's hardly anything.
329
00:15:05,241 --> 00:15:06,761
- There's always something to do here.
330
00:15:06,961 --> 00:15:08,441
I mean, I'm never, ever bored.
331
00:15:08,641 --> 00:15:09,281
- Suzy now lives in Scotland
332
00:15:09,481 --> 00:15:11,601
on her father's 4000 acre estate.
333
00:15:11,801 --> 00:15:13,721
- It's very, very small really
334
00:15:13,921 --> 00:15:15,681
when you got one spare
room, there's my room,
335
00:15:15,881 --> 00:15:17,921
there's Molly's room, it's very small.
336
00:15:18,121 --> 00:15:19,761
There's a kitchen and a dining room,
337
00:15:19,961 --> 00:15:22,481
the drawing room, and
really, we mostly sit,
338
00:15:22,681 --> 00:15:25,041
sit when we have people in.
339
00:15:25,241 --> 00:15:26,081
That's really it.
340
00:15:27,841 --> 00:15:31,661
- What
sort of things do you do?
341
00:15:33,121 --> 00:15:39,021
- Ride, swim, play tennis, ping pong,
342
00:15:39,801 --> 00:15:44,541
I pray croquet, things like that.
343
00:15:45,801 --> 00:15:49,641
- What about
the social life? What's that?
344
00:15:49,841 --> 00:15:51,281
- What in Perthshire?
345
00:15:51,481 --> 00:15:52,521
- Yeah.
346
00:15:52,521 --> 00:15:57,621
- It's quite fun. We've
got some things going on.
347
00:15:57,841 --> 00:16:00,581
- I think
your dog's got a rabbit.
348
00:16:01,361 --> 00:16:02,281
What should we do?
349
00:16:04,961 --> 00:16:05,601
Do you want someone to see it?
350
00:16:05,801 --> 00:16:08,201
- Max, bring it here.
351
00:16:08,401 --> 00:16:10,201
Oh, disgusting, that was the second one
352
00:16:10,401 --> 00:16:12,801
you've given in the second week.
353
00:16:13,001 --> 00:16:16,501
Oh, Max, for God's sake, leave it alone.
354
00:16:17,961 --> 00:16:18,601
- Does that worry you?
355
00:16:18,801 --> 00:16:20,721
- Nope, not at all.
356
00:16:20,721 --> 00:16:24,041
Here I see birds and things wounded.
357
00:16:24,241 --> 00:16:25,361
I don't like that, they run off,
358
00:16:25,561 --> 00:16:29,741
and you never get a chance to kill them.
359
00:16:30,161 --> 00:16:32,041
- Why doesn't it worry you
360
00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:34,441
if things have to be killed?
361
00:16:34,641 --> 00:16:38,181
- Because I've been brought up to it.
362
00:16:38,641 --> 00:16:41,681
- Da, da, da, there's
not in too late there.
363
00:16:41,881 --> 00:16:45,881
Quite quietly, it's very
nonchalant little theme,
364
00:16:46,081 --> 00:16:47,561
you know, butter wouldn't melt its mouth,
365
00:16:47,761 --> 00:16:48,921
so take it very quietly,
366
00:16:49,121 --> 00:16:51,981
let it just present itself.
367
00:16:52,241 --> 00:16:53,041
Half beat.
368
00:16:53,961 --> 00:16:54,961
There we go.
369
00:16:56,441 --> 00:16:57,681
Da, da, da, da.
370
00:17:00,361 --> 00:17:03,521
- We have about 10
pianos and practise rooms,
371
00:17:03,721 --> 00:17:06,481
and there are orchestras,
choral societies,
372
00:17:06,681 --> 00:17:10,781
and two choirs, well, it's
a marvellous music system.
373
00:17:16,761 --> 00:17:19,841
I think there's too much
competition nowadays.
374
00:17:20,041 --> 00:17:22,721
There's so many good pianists,
375
00:17:22,921 --> 00:17:24,681
and only very few make a great one,
376
00:17:24,881 --> 00:17:27,281
and I think it must be very disparaging
377
00:17:27,481 --> 00:17:30,001
if you can only get half the way.
378
00:17:30,201 --> 00:17:32,001
- Are you ambitious?
379
00:17:32,001 --> 00:17:33,161
- Yes.
380
00:17:33,161 --> 00:17:35,241
- What for?
381
00:17:38,641 --> 00:17:39,721
- Well, fame.
382
00:17:42,721 --> 00:17:43,841
And power.
383
00:17:45,881 --> 00:17:47,121
- What sort of power?
384
00:17:47,321 --> 00:17:48,241
- Political power.
385
00:17:49,921 --> 00:17:51,921
- Are you ruthless?
386
00:17:51,921 --> 00:17:53,521
- Not really.
387
00:17:53,521 --> 00:17:54,801
- Do you think
to have political power,
388
00:17:55,001 --> 00:17:56,081
you got to be ruthless?
389
00:17:56,281 --> 00:17:57,121
- Yes.
390
00:17:59,921 --> 00:18:01,041
- Well,
what qualities do you need
391
00:18:01,241 --> 00:18:04,801
to have political power then
if it's not ruthlessness?
392
00:18:05,001 --> 00:18:07,401
- Great strength of mind.
393
00:18:07,601 --> 00:18:10,041
- They'd like to come out for a holiday
394
00:18:10,241 --> 00:18:15,481
in the country when I'd like
to have a holiday in the town.
395
00:18:15,681 --> 00:18:17,761
- I've been to Leeds a couple of times,
396
00:18:17,961 --> 00:18:22,581
and I haven't been to Manchester.
397
00:18:25,401 --> 00:18:29,601
I went to London like
with the other programme
398
00:18:29,801 --> 00:18:30,561
when you did the first programme,
399
00:18:30,761 --> 00:18:31,961
but that's the only time I've been.
400
00:18:32,161 --> 00:18:33,201
- Nicholas won a scholarship
401
00:18:33,401 --> 00:18:35,001
to a Yorkshire boarding school.
402
00:18:35,201 --> 00:18:36,921
- In this village, there's me,
403
00:18:37,121 --> 00:18:41,681
and then the next oldest
is Andrew there, that's it.
404
00:18:41,881 --> 00:18:45,161
I'm not unhappy, living on the farm,
405
00:18:45,361 --> 00:18:49,321
and going to this school
and boarding there.
406
00:18:49,521 --> 00:18:51,961
It's all right, I think it would be better
407
00:18:52,161 --> 00:18:52,921
than living on the farm all the time.
408
00:18:53,121 --> 00:18:57,381
I don't like to live at the
school all the time either.
409
00:18:57,601 --> 00:18:59,081
- Do you
want to take up farming?
410
00:18:59,281 --> 00:19:04,381
- No, I'm not interested in it.
411
00:19:04,721 --> 00:19:07,201
I mean, I'm not, and I
said I was interested
412
00:19:07,401 --> 00:19:09,721
in physics and chemistry, well
I'm not gonna do that here.
413
00:19:09,921 --> 00:19:13,481
When I grow up, I'd like to find out
414
00:19:13,681 --> 00:19:15,841
all about the moon and all that.
415
00:19:16,041 --> 00:19:17,521
- Did your
father want to be a farmer?
416
00:19:17,721 --> 00:19:19,281
- I don't think he really wanted to be,
417
00:19:19,481 --> 00:19:22,901
but he got stuck with it
418
00:19:23,921 --> 00:19:28,441
because my grandfather,
he certainly probably
419
00:19:28,641 --> 00:19:29,921
wanted him to be a farmer,
420
00:19:30,121 --> 00:19:35,341
but I don't think my father
wants me to be a farmer.
421
00:19:39,201 --> 00:19:40,441
My youngest brother, the deaf one,
422
00:19:40,641 --> 00:19:41,361
if he can't do anything else,
423
00:19:41,561 --> 00:19:46,221
he can probably run a farm
if he can't, that's it,
424
00:19:46,681 --> 00:19:50,181
but as a last resort.
425
00:19:50,401 --> 00:19:53,641
- Not 'til this holidays
have I been out of Europe.
426
00:19:53,841 --> 00:19:55,121
This holidays, I went to America
427
00:19:55,321 --> 00:19:56,441
to stay with somebody from school.
428
00:19:56,641 --> 00:19:58,121
- Have you been abroad?
429
00:19:58,321 --> 00:19:59,161
- Austria.
430
00:20:00,881 --> 00:20:02,481
- What was it like?
431
00:20:02,481 --> 00:20:03,321
- Not bad.
432
00:20:05,081 --> 00:20:06,721
- Would you like to travel?
433
00:20:06,921 --> 00:20:08,561
- Nope.
434
00:20:08,561 --> 00:20:10,281
- Well, I ski in Switzerland,
435
00:20:10,481 --> 00:20:12,081
and I enjoy that immensely,
436
00:20:12,281 --> 00:20:14,481
and we went to France this time,
437
00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:17,001
and I've lived in Rhodesia.
438
00:20:17,201 --> 00:20:20,561
- I enjoyed Switzerland the most I think.
439
00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:22,281
I think its a very beautiful country.
440
00:20:22,481 --> 00:20:25,441
We went to very interesting places.
441
00:20:25,641 --> 00:20:29,401
I also enjoyed Austria, but
not to such a great extent.
442
00:20:29,601 --> 00:20:31,161
- Well, I've never been abroad, but--
443
00:20:31,361 --> 00:20:32,161
- No, neither have I.
444
00:20:32,361 --> 00:20:33,681
- I have.
445
00:20:33,681 --> 00:20:35,561
- Oh, yeah, because you
went on that cruise thingy.
446
00:20:35,761 --> 00:20:41,501
- Yeah, went to Spain and
Gibraltar and Casablanca.
447
00:20:43,801 --> 00:20:45,161
- Yeah, that's it.
448
00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:46,961
- Yeah, that was interesting that.
449
00:20:47,161 --> 00:20:49,801
- Travel doesn't really interest me much,
450
00:20:50,001 --> 00:20:51,441
happy where I am.
451
00:20:51,441 --> 00:20:52,921
- I've been to so many places.
452
00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:58,401
Sicily, Italy, France and
Spain and Switzerland,
453
00:20:58,601 --> 00:20:59,481
many times.
454
00:20:59,481 --> 00:21:01,961
- Have you travelled much?
455
00:21:02,161 --> 00:21:04,161
- When I was at the school,
456
00:21:04,361 --> 00:21:07,321
we used to have outings,
457
00:21:07,521 --> 00:21:12,081
used to go to Box Hill, places as such,
458
00:21:12,281 --> 00:21:14,361
and we used to go to mystery tours,
459
00:21:14,561 --> 00:21:18,821
and drive around the country,
460
00:21:20,161 --> 00:21:23,961
and we went to history
museums for outings,
461
00:21:24,161 --> 00:21:26,361
and geographical museums,
462
00:21:26,561 --> 00:21:31,201
and science museum.
463
00:21:33,281 --> 00:21:36,821
I've been to Madame Tussaud's
with my mum,
464
00:21:37,201 --> 00:21:41,081
and the planetarium.
465
00:21:44,601 --> 00:21:47,821
- Do you want to go abroad?
466
00:21:50,561 --> 00:21:54,981
- Yeah, I'd like to go to Mallorca,
467
00:21:55,241 --> 00:21:59,161
take a couple of weeks
out there from everything.
468
00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:01,321
Relax meself.
469
00:22:01,321 --> 00:22:05,201
- No, but I said that when
boys go round with girls
470
00:22:05,401 --> 00:22:07,721
they don't pay attention
to what they're doing,
471
00:22:07,921 --> 00:22:10,161
and since my grandmother has an accident
472
00:22:10,361 --> 00:22:12,481
because a boyfriend was kissing
473
00:22:12,681 --> 00:22:15,081
his girlfriend in the street.
474
00:22:15,281 --> 00:22:19,801
- The girls never do
what the boys want them.
475
00:22:20,001 --> 00:22:22,521
They always start playing with dolls
476
00:22:22,721 --> 00:22:26,121
when the boys want to play
rough and tumble with them.
477
00:22:26,321 --> 00:22:27,321
- It's quite true.
478
00:22:27,321 --> 00:22:31,521
- Beginning to become a
bit more important, yeah.
479
00:22:31,721 --> 00:22:33,001
- In what way?
480
00:22:34,161 --> 00:22:37,661
- Well, they're no longer just bores
481
00:22:37,921 --> 00:22:39,721
who won't play this or something.
482
00:22:39,921 --> 00:22:43,521
- They're over half of the
community and they're there.
483
00:22:43,721 --> 00:22:46,281
- You can begin to talk to them.
484
00:22:46,481 --> 00:22:49,121
- I think they're
still bores for the most part.
485
00:22:49,321 --> 00:22:50,281
- When I get married,
486
00:22:50,481 --> 00:22:52,841
I'd like to have two children.
487
00:22:53,041 --> 00:22:53,801
- Would
you like to have a nanny
488
00:22:54,001 --> 00:22:57,861
to look after them or do
you want to look after them?
489
00:23:01,401 --> 00:23:03,561
- No, I want a nanny to look after them.
490
00:23:03,761 --> 00:23:06,621
- Have you
got any boyfriend, Susan?
491
00:23:11,081 --> 00:23:14,961
- Well, my girlfriend is in Africa,
492
00:23:15,161 --> 00:23:18,041
and I don't think I'll have another
493
00:23:18,241 --> 00:23:19,721
chance of seeing her again.
494
00:23:19,921 --> 00:23:21,681
And there were two in Switzerland,
495
00:23:21,881 --> 00:23:24,321
which I liked at the hotel.
496
00:23:24,521 --> 00:23:26,041
- Have you got a girlfriend?
497
00:23:26,241 --> 00:23:28,481
- No, no not yet.
498
00:23:28,481 --> 00:23:32,041
I'm sure it will come, but not yet.
499
00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:34,601
- Say you had a wife.
500
00:23:34,801 --> 00:23:38,301
Say you had to eat what they cooked you,
501
00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:42,421
and say, I don't like
greens, well, I don't.
502
00:23:44,721 --> 00:23:49,801
And say, she said, "You
have to eat what you give."
503
00:23:50,001 --> 00:23:54,041
So I don't like greens,
so she gives me greens.
504
00:23:54,241 --> 00:23:55,081
And that's it.
505
00:23:57,321 --> 00:24:00,401
No, I'd prefer to be alone, really.
506
00:24:00,601 --> 00:24:02,481
I wouldn't mind living
with my brother, you know,
507
00:24:02,681 --> 00:24:06,121
but otherwise, I'd prefer to live alone.
508
00:24:06,321 --> 00:24:07,961
- Sometimes on Saturday, well I mean,
509
00:24:08,161 --> 00:24:11,161
I go to the pictures,
sometimes with my friends,
510
00:24:11,361 --> 00:24:13,801
sometimes with him.
511
00:24:13,801 --> 00:24:14,961
- You don't.
512
00:24:14,961 --> 00:24:16,361
- I do.
513
00:24:16,361 --> 00:24:17,361
- She don't.
514
00:24:18,321 --> 00:24:21,541
I don't ever see you.
515
00:24:22,521 --> 00:24:25,841
You go to a different pictures.
516
00:24:26,041 --> 00:24:26,721
- Have you got a girlfriend?
517
00:24:26,921 --> 00:24:28,401
- Nope.
518
00:24:28,401 --> 00:24:30,361
- Would you
like to have a girlfriend?
519
00:24:30,561 --> 00:24:31,401
- Nope.
520
00:24:33,161 --> 00:24:34,201
- I thought that one would come up
521
00:24:34,401 --> 00:24:37,961
because when I was on the other one,
522
00:24:38,161 --> 00:24:40,321
and somebody said, "What
do you think about girls?"
523
00:24:40,521 --> 00:24:42,481
And I said, "I don't answer
questions like that."
524
00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:44,361
Is that the reason you're asking me?
525
00:24:44,561 --> 00:24:46,281
- Yeah.
526
00:24:50,561 --> 00:24:54,981
- Well, what do you want me to say?
527
00:24:59,001 --> 00:25:00,281
I don't know what to say.
528
00:25:00,481 --> 00:25:06,461
- Once Caroline Tetford said she loved me.
529
00:25:06,841 --> 00:25:07,441
- What happened then?
530
00:25:07,641 --> 00:25:11,441
- And I'm gonna marry her when I grow up.
531
00:25:11,641 --> 00:25:13,641
- Oh, I hate her, she's
always getting bad-tempered
532
00:25:13,841 --> 00:25:14,881
and cross with me.
533
00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:16,521
- Is she?
534
00:25:16,521 --> 00:25:18,881
- Yes, she says, "Neil Hughes,
move your desk forward."
535
00:25:19,081 --> 00:25:20,801
Perhaps we're not mature enough yet
536
00:25:21,001 --> 00:25:21,841
to be interested.
537
00:25:23,001 --> 00:25:26,721
- See, he loves Susan
because Susan loves him.
538
00:25:26,921 --> 00:25:28,881
He loves him, so Lindsay loves him.
539
00:25:29,081 --> 00:25:29,921
- I don't love--
540
00:25:29,921 --> 00:25:32,581
- Have
you got any boyfriends?
541
00:25:36,281 --> 00:25:40,021
- That's personal isn't it?
542
00:25:41,241 --> 00:25:42,801
- I don't like the way
you come out with that.
543
00:25:43,001 --> 00:25:46,101
- We shan't tell you, we shan't.
544
00:25:47,441 --> 00:25:51,501
- What do you think
about making this programme?
545
00:25:54,281 --> 00:25:55,361
- I just think it's just ridiculous.
546
00:25:55,561 --> 00:25:57,641
I don't see any fun in doing it.
547
00:25:57,841 --> 00:25:58,961
- Why not?
548
00:26:00,281 --> 00:26:02,081
- What's the point of people going
549
00:26:02,281 --> 00:26:04,721
into people's lives and
saying why do you like this
550
00:26:04,921 --> 00:26:05,961
and why don't you?
551
00:26:05,961 --> 00:26:07,681
I just don't see any point in it.
552
00:26:07,881 --> 00:26:10,801
- What's the point of the programme?
553
00:26:11,001 --> 00:26:13,401
- Is the point of the programme
is to reach a comparison?
554
00:26:13,601 --> 00:26:14,641
I don't think it is.
555
00:26:15,961 --> 00:26:18,001
Because we're not
necessarily typical examples.
556
00:26:18,201 --> 00:26:19,521
- And I think that's what people seeing
557
00:26:19,721 --> 00:26:20,641
the programme might think.
558
00:26:20,841 --> 00:26:22,281
- Yes.
559
00:26:22,281 --> 00:26:23,161
- Falsely.
560
00:26:23,161 --> 00:26:26,961
- I mean, they'll tend to typecast us.
561
00:26:27,161 --> 00:26:29,681
- So everything we say, they'll think,
562
00:26:29,881 --> 00:26:33,641
"Oh, that's a typical result
of a public school system."
563
00:26:33,841 --> 00:26:36,201
- Well, in
what way aren't you typical?
564
00:26:36,401 --> 00:26:40,901
- Well, I'm a bit more
reactionary than most.
565
00:26:43,161 --> 00:26:44,601
- I don't know, none of the parties
566
00:26:44,801 --> 00:26:47,201
really seem agree with me,
567
00:26:47,401 --> 00:26:48,441
but I think if I had voted,
568
00:26:48,641 --> 00:26:50,601
I'd have voted Labour.
569
00:26:50,801 --> 00:26:52,761
- I'd have voted Conservative.
570
00:26:52,961 --> 00:26:54,641
- I don't think I would
have voted for any of them.
571
00:26:54,841 --> 00:26:56,601
- Conservatives.
572
00:26:56,601 --> 00:26:59,601
- The Conservatives will do
the best for the country.
573
00:26:59,801 --> 00:27:02,361
- I think they're all as
bad as each other really.
574
00:27:02,561 --> 00:27:03,481
- Labour.
575
00:27:07,361 --> 00:27:08,801
- I don't really know.
576
00:27:09,001 --> 00:27:11,441
- I know what I wouldn't vote.
577
00:27:11,641 --> 00:27:12,721
- What way?
578
00:27:12,721 --> 00:27:13,561
- Labour.
579
00:27:13,561 --> 00:27:14,881
- Conservative.
580
00:27:14,881 --> 00:27:15,881
- Why?
581
00:27:15,881 --> 00:27:16,721
- Why?
582
00:27:18,841 --> 00:27:21,401
I honestly don't know, I don't know
583
00:27:21,601 --> 00:27:23,481
because I don't really
know much about politics.
584
00:27:23,681 --> 00:27:27,881
It doesn't interest me,
so I never really bother.
585
00:27:28,081 --> 00:27:29,521
- I didn't agree with the Conservatives
586
00:27:29,721 --> 00:27:32,121
about what they were doing
with the black people.
587
00:27:32,321 --> 00:27:35,401
You know, racial politics.
588
00:27:35,601 --> 00:27:38,041
- What do you
think about coloured people?
589
00:27:38,241 --> 00:27:41,721
You said to me once that you like them,
590
00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:44,201
but what do you really think about them?
591
00:27:44,401 --> 00:27:48,601
- Well, they're nice, they're
just the same as us really,
592
00:27:48,801 --> 00:27:53,201
but one thing that it's only
because their skin's brown
593
00:27:53,401 --> 00:27:56,761
and we're white, sort of pinkish we are.
594
00:27:56,961 --> 00:28:00,921
- Do you think of a purple
person with red eyes,
595
00:28:01,121 --> 00:28:02,241
yellow feet?
596
00:28:02,241 --> 00:28:06,761
I can't really think of
what they really look like.
597
00:28:06,961 --> 00:28:08,801
- They're just the same
as me, aren't they?
598
00:28:09,001 --> 00:28:12,941
- I don't know anybody who's coloured.
599
00:28:13,921 --> 00:28:16,241
And I don't want to know
anybody who's coloured,
600
00:28:16,441 --> 00:28:18,201
thank you very much.
601
00:28:18,201 --> 00:28:19,841
I haven't got anything
against coloured people,
602
00:28:20,041 --> 00:28:22,521
but it wouldn't worry
me if I never met one
603
00:28:22,721 --> 00:28:25,001
until the day I died.
604
00:28:25,201 --> 00:28:29,521
- Everybody's gotta get used
to knowing coloured people,
605
00:28:29,721 --> 00:28:31,321
and coloured people in turn have got
606
00:28:31,521 --> 00:28:35,361
to get used to being with white people
607
00:28:35,561 --> 00:28:38,721
because if either side
doesn't work properly
608
00:28:38,921 --> 00:28:41,981
then no side will work properly.
609
00:28:44,121 --> 00:28:47,561
People just got to mix
in with everybody else.
610
00:28:47,761 --> 00:28:52,561
- I don't think it's
wrong that in a country
611
00:28:52,761 --> 00:28:57,201
like England that there should be places
612
00:28:57,401 --> 00:29:01,441
where there are more coloured people
613
00:29:01,641 --> 00:29:03,801
than the white people.
614
00:29:04,001 --> 00:29:05,161
- Good old Enoch.
615
00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:08,081
- Well, personally, I've got
nothing against coloured people.
616
00:29:08,281 --> 00:29:09,801
I think they're the
same as everybody else,
617
00:29:10,001 --> 00:29:13,801
but it seems that
there's lots of arguments
618
00:29:14,001 --> 00:29:16,001
about them because as
any foreigners really
619
00:29:16,201 --> 00:29:18,081
they're taking people's jobs in England.
620
00:29:18,281 --> 00:29:21,321
- I don't care what colour somebody is,
621
00:29:21,521 --> 00:29:23,321
unless they're blue,
622
00:29:23,321 --> 00:29:25,001
and I think that would be pretty peculiar,
623
00:29:25,201 --> 00:29:28,361
but we might find somebody yet.
624
00:29:28,561 --> 00:29:30,721
No, I don't care about colour.
625
00:29:30,921 --> 00:29:34,901
- Well, I think both
black and whites are equal
626
00:29:35,921 --> 00:29:39,281
as long as they're as
well-educated as each other.
627
00:29:39,481 --> 00:29:40,281
- What do you feel
628
00:29:40,281 --> 00:29:41,521
about racial discrimination?
629
00:29:41,721 --> 00:29:43,321
- It's rather vile.
630
00:29:43,321 --> 00:29:44,361
- Why?
631
00:29:47,441 --> 00:29:50,821
- Because so is any
kind of discrimination.
632
00:29:52,361 --> 00:29:54,321
Of a basic nature that you can't change.
633
00:29:54,521 --> 00:29:56,041
I mean if you're, I couldn't care less
634
00:29:56,241 --> 00:29:58,121
whether people are discriminated against
635
00:29:58,321 --> 00:30:04,481
because they're nasty
or selfish or anything,
636
00:30:04,681 --> 00:30:08,921
but I mean, one can't
help one's colour, so.
637
00:30:09,121 --> 00:30:10,721
- Now you're
interested in politics.
638
00:30:10,921 --> 00:30:12,881
You'd like to be a politician.
639
00:30:13,081 --> 00:30:15,961
What kind of things would you change?
640
00:30:16,161 --> 00:30:19,181
- I wouldn't allow any strikes.
641
00:30:20,081 --> 00:30:21,721
- How would you do that?
642
00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:24,881
- I'd set up a tribunal
where people, workers,
643
00:30:25,081 --> 00:30:28,601
could apply for better wages,
644
00:30:28,801 --> 00:30:31,961
and this tribunal would
have the final word,
645
00:30:32,161 --> 00:30:36,521
and if said no wage rise, no wage rise.
646
00:30:36,721 --> 00:30:39,601
- It's a big problem, there's
lots of discussion I've heard.
647
00:30:39,801 --> 00:30:41,801
The workers do tend to
take a few liberties
648
00:30:42,001 --> 00:30:44,201
as regards to strikes.
649
00:30:44,401 --> 00:30:45,761
- Who do you
think is to blame for strikes,
650
00:30:45,961 --> 00:30:47,561
the workers or the management?
651
00:30:47,761 --> 00:30:50,161
- Well, that's management
probably because--
652
00:30:50,361 --> 00:30:51,641
- Say the workers
653
00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:53,281
because we'll probably
get loads of letters
654
00:30:53,481 --> 00:30:54,401
saying we'll be having
none of that.
655
00:30:54,601 --> 00:30:55,761
- It seems to be iniquitous
656
00:30:55,961 --> 00:30:59,481
that people should be paid when
they're not doing any work,
657
00:30:59,681 --> 00:31:01,401
which is what the unions do to you.
658
00:31:01,601 --> 00:31:03,761
- I'm not commenting because
Mum's been out the strike.
659
00:31:03,961 --> 00:31:05,401
- Yeah, so has mine.
660
00:31:06,201 --> 00:31:07,121
- It's very irresponsible
661
00:31:07,321 --> 00:31:08,241
because we all want more money,
662
00:31:08,441 --> 00:31:10,201
as much money as we can get,
663
00:31:10,401 --> 00:31:12,721
and what would happen if
we all stopped working
664
00:31:12,921 --> 00:31:14,641
just because we wanted more money.
665
00:31:14,841 --> 00:31:15,681
- If they want the money,
666
00:31:15,881 --> 00:31:17,521
why shouldn't they strike for it?
667
00:31:17,721 --> 00:31:18,601
If you wanted a raise,
668
00:31:18,801 --> 00:31:20,401
you would strike.
- Yeah, that's why they--
669
00:31:20,601 --> 00:31:21,881
- But they're gonna strike for it, right,
670
00:31:22,081 --> 00:31:22,801
and they're gonna get more money.
671
00:31:23,001 --> 00:31:24,321
Now the school meals are going up,
672
00:31:24,521 --> 00:31:26,121
so that means they're gonna strike again.
673
00:31:26,321 --> 00:31:27,121
They want more money,
674
00:31:27,321 --> 00:31:28,681
and it's just gonna keep
going and going and going.
675
00:31:28,881 --> 00:31:32,041
- Surely by crushing strikes,
676
00:31:32,241 --> 00:31:35,801
then in a way that's defeating
a small part of democracy.
677
00:31:36,001 --> 00:31:40,061
- No, it's not because
they'd still have their,
678
00:31:41,041 --> 00:31:42,481
they'd still be able
to ask for more money,
679
00:31:42,681 --> 00:31:44,081
but they wouldn't be
able to strike for it,
680
00:31:44,281 --> 00:31:45,601
which I mean--
681
00:31:45,601 --> 00:31:46,641
- Yes, but they'd--
682
00:31:46,641 --> 00:31:47,441
- They're so damaging.
683
00:31:47,641 --> 00:31:49,041
- That's still depriving them
of their freedom to strike.
684
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:50,801
- Well, so is putting people in prison
685
00:31:51,001 --> 00:31:53,801
and depriving them of
their freedom to go on
686
00:31:54,001 --> 00:31:55,841
killing people and stealing from people.
687
00:31:56,041 --> 00:31:57,121
- Anyway, who's going to do this
688
00:31:57,321 --> 00:31:58,801
because if they do it,
689
00:31:59,001 --> 00:32:01,881
they're not going to be
voted into Parliament.
690
00:32:02,081 --> 00:32:03,601
So it's not worth--
691
00:32:03,601 --> 00:32:08,501
- You can always decide on
your policy once you're in.
692
00:32:16,801 --> 00:32:18,401
- What do
they think about each other?
693
00:32:18,601 --> 00:32:20,801
And how would they act together?
694
00:32:21,001 --> 00:32:23,801
To find out, we invited
them all to one big party
695
00:32:24,001 --> 00:32:24,801
and joined in.
696
00:32:26,281 --> 00:32:28,361
♪ If I say that I love you ♪
697
00:32:28,561 --> 00:32:30,761
♪ And you know it's true ♪
698
00:32:30,961 --> 00:32:33,281
♪ If you said that you loved me ♪
699
00:32:33,481 --> 00:32:37,161
♪ What would I do ♪
700
00:32:37,361 --> 00:32:41,281
♪ I'd let you back if you let me ♪
701
00:32:41,481 --> 00:32:45,741
♪ I'd choose the madness ♪
702
00:32:49,401 --> 00:32:52,921
- Yes, but they were a bit
too tough for my liking.
703
00:32:53,121 --> 00:32:54,161
They hit me right in the back,
704
00:32:54,361 --> 00:32:56,881
and I've still got a pain there.
705
00:32:57,081 --> 00:33:01,321
- The pushing, oh yes, oh yes, oh yes.
706
00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:06,281
They're nuts, just have to touch them.
707
00:33:06,481 --> 00:33:10,881
- Well, I thought some of
them were rather dirty.
708
00:33:11,081 --> 00:33:11,721
- What do
you think about them?
709
00:33:11,921 --> 00:33:15,001
- I played with them quite naturally.
710
00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:17,281
I think they were rather nice really.
711
00:33:17,481 --> 00:33:20,401
- What do you
think about rich people?
712
00:33:20,601 --> 00:33:23,481
- Well, not much.
713
00:33:24,401 --> 00:33:25,641
- Tell me about them.
714
00:33:25,841 --> 00:33:27,281
- Well, they think they can do everything
715
00:33:27,481 --> 00:33:29,441
without you doing it as well,
716
00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:31,281
and they think just because they're rich
717
00:33:31,481 --> 00:33:35,081
and they have to have people do,
718
00:33:35,281 --> 00:33:37,721
like they have to do all
their work and stuff.
719
00:33:37,921 --> 00:33:39,721
- What would you do if
you had lots of money,
720
00:33:39,921 --> 00:33:42,161
maybe two pounds.
721
00:33:42,161 --> 00:33:45,161
- Me, I would help the poor.
722
00:33:45,361 --> 00:33:48,921
- Yeah, 'cause the poor
except you don't help them,
723
00:33:49,121 --> 00:33:51,321
they'll sort of die, so wouldn't they?
724
00:33:51,521 --> 00:33:54,841
And every time we have a harvest festival,
725
00:33:55,041 --> 00:33:58,121
we send 'em food so once these two.
726
00:33:58,321 --> 00:34:01,601
No, Janet, Susan and Janet went round
727
00:34:01,801 --> 00:34:04,001
giving a handout with Mr. Floyd.
728
00:34:04,201 --> 00:34:05,921
- I don't think much of the accents.
729
00:34:06,121 --> 00:34:08,361
- Neither do I.
730
00:34:09,561 --> 00:34:10,801
- But it doesn't prevent me liking them.
731
00:34:11,001 --> 00:34:13,801
Yes, and rich children always make fun
732
00:34:14,001 --> 00:34:16,001
of poor children, I say.
733
00:34:16,201 --> 00:34:17,041
- Yes, they say,
734
00:34:17,041 --> 00:34:19,801
"Oh, look at that lovely
little sissy over there."
735
00:34:20,001 --> 00:34:23,861
- Yes, and they
throw things at them.
736
00:34:24,161 --> 00:34:27,981
The poor child gets scared to death.
737
00:34:31,081 --> 00:34:32,641
- Do you meet here
738
00:34:32,641 --> 00:34:36,161
many boys from very
different social backgrounds?
739
00:34:36,361 --> 00:34:37,681
- Not really.
740
00:34:37,681 --> 00:34:41,321
- Do you find
that a lack in your life?
741
00:34:41,521 --> 00:34:42,521
- No.
742
00:34:43,601 --> 00:34:44,441
- Why?
743
00:34:46,441 --> 00:34:48,601
- I don't feel any lack anywhere.
744
00:34:48,801 --> 00:34:49,521
- Do you not
feel you should be meeting
745
00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:54,401
a broader sort of person
from different backgrounds?
746
00:34:54,601 --> 00:34:57,721
- Not really.
747
00:34:57,721 --> 00:34:59,561
- You don't
think you're missing?
748
00:34:59,761 --> 00:35:00,601
- No.
749
00:35:02,201 --> 00:35:03,721
I mean, there are people from so many,
750
00:35:03,921 --> 00:35:04,961
I don't see what backgrounds got to do
751
00:35:05,161 --> 00:35:06,961
with the people from so many,
752
00:35:07,161 --> 00:35:10,601
I think it's interest that makes it worth
753
00:35:10,801 --> 00:35:14,841
other people with so many
varied interests in this school
754
00:35:15,041 --> 00:35:18,141
that I can't imagine having any more.
755
00:35:19,201 --> 00:35:21,601
I don't really see where
background enters in.
756
00:35:21,801 --> 00:35:24,121
- If everybody had the
same as everybody else,
757
00:35:24,321 --> 00:35:27,501
nobody would be missing anything.
758
00:35:28,081 --> 00:35:32,041
People, rich people, they
have all different things,
759
00:35:32,241 --> 00:35:33,201
have everything they want
760
00:35:33,401 --> 00:35:35,721
whereas poor people,
they don't have nothing,
761
00:35:35,921 --> 00:35:39,001
and they know they haven't got nothing,
762
00:35:39,201 --> 00:35:42,821
and so they know they're
missing something.
763
00:35:43,161 --> 00:35:45,841
- What are you missing?
764
00:35:46,041 --> 00:35:52,601
- I'm missing a bike and a fishing rod.
765
00:35:52,801 --> 00:35:56,921
- Yeah, well, they can get
what they want, can't they?
766
00:35:57,121 --> 00:35:59,281
If you've got to work
for it, if it's them,
767
00:35:59,481 --> 00:36:02,121
they can just ask for money and get it,
768
00:36:02,321 --> 00:36:03,521
and they can get whatever they want.
769
00:36:03,721 --> 00:36:06,561
- What effect
does it have on them?
770
00:36:06,761 --> 00:36:09,361
- Spoilt, like it spoils them, doesn't it?
771
00:36:09,561 --> 00:36:11,681
- I think if you're going to accuse us,
772
00:36:11,881 --> 00:36:15,681
of public schools of producing snobs
773
00:36:15,881 --> 00:36:20,401
by mixing only a couple
of classes, upper, middle,
774
00:36:20,601 --> 00:36:22,681
then comprehensive schools can be accused
775
00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:25,361
of producing prods because they only mix
776
00:36:25,561 --> 00:36:27,201
with lower and middle.
777
00:36:27,401 --> 00:36:29,201
- But it's like saying the public schools
778
00:36:29,401 --> 00:36:32,161
like Tom Brown's school days.
779
00:36:32,361 --> 00:36:35,361
We do mix with people from the town.
780
00:36:35,561 --> 00:36:37,081
- They can be all right.
781
00:36:37,281 --> 00:36:39,641
- Yeah, but I don't like
people who are too posh.
782
00:36:39,841 --> 00:36:43,041
They look down on everybody else.
783
00:36:43,241 --> 00:36:44,441
- They think they're better.
784
00:36:44,641 --> 00:36:45,441
- Yeah.
785
00:36:45,441 --> 00:36:46,441
- I think people are much more conscious
786
00:36:46,641 --> 00:36:47,561
of wanting to become snobs
787
00:36:47,761 --> 00:36:51,961
because the differences that
used to separate the classes
788
00:36:52,161 --> 00:36:54,981
have diminished greatly.
789
00:36:55,601 --> 00:36:57,081
I mean, when one was duke, one used
790
00:36:57,281 --> 00:37:00,081
to be set above everybody else,
791
00:37:00,281 --> 00:37:04,541
but now, look at the Duke of.
792
00:37:07,481 --> 00:37:10,041
- I think people are
becoming less class conscious
793
00:37:10,241 --> 00:37:11,081
because I mean,
794
00:37:12,801 --> 00:37:13,961
with for instance hippies.
795
00:37:14,161 --> 00:37:15,641
You don't get the impression
796
00:37:15,841 --> 00:37:18,881
that one hippie says, "I'm the big guy
797
00:37:19,081 --> 00:37:22,481
"because I'm upper class and
you sort of some petty person
798
00:37:22,681 --> 00:37:24,121
"because you're low class."
799
00:37:24,321 --> 00:37:27,441
- Yes, and anybody can become a hippie.
800
00:37:27,641 --> 00:37:30,681
- I think this is happening
throughout the country.
801
00:37:30,881 --> 00:37:34,481
- They don't sort of
enforce being upper class
802
00:37:34,681 --> 00:37:37,721
and things like that at St. Paul's.
803
00:37:37,921 --> 00:37:40,801
You know, they suggest that
you don't have long hair,
804
00:37:41,001 --> 00:37:42,961
and they do get it cut,
805
00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:47,521
and they teach you to be
reasonably well-mannered,
806
00:37:47,721 --> 00:37:50,801
but not to sniff on the poorer people.
807
00:37:51,001 --> 00:37:52,721
- Some people are good
with money and give it
808
00:37:52,921 --> 00:37:55,721
to charities and that, but some of them
809
00:37:55,921 --> 00:37:58,081
just don't know what
to do with their money,
810
00:37:58,281 --> 00:38:00,841
so they just spend it, waste it.
811
00:38:01,041 --> 00:38:02,481
People need it.
812
00:38:02,481 --> 00:38:06,021
- I think poverty for anybody.
813
00:38:12,441 --> 00:38:15,621
It kind of depresses me.
814
00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:19,881
- When I went to Glasgow
and I saw the Gorbals,
815
00:38:20,081 --> 00:38:22,661
that rather upset me.
816
00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:25,121
- Why?
817
00:38:25,121 --> 00:38:28,281
- Well, to think that people
are living in that state
818
00:38:28,481 --> 00:38:31,401
when we waste things everyday.
819
00:38:31,601 --> 00:38:34,081
- Well, some people are
just born into rich families
820
00:38:34,281 --> 00:38:35,121
and they like it.
821
00:38:35,121 --> 00:38:36,961
- I don't see why they could have the luck
822
00:38:37,161 --> 00:38:38,281
when people worked all their lives
823
00:38:38,481 --> 00:38:40,761
and never got half as
much as what they have.
824
00:38:40,961 --> 00:38:42,721
It just don't seem fair.
825
00:38:42,921 --> 00:38:43,761
- No.
826
00:38:45,161 --> 00:38:48,841
- I usually get about
five to six bob a week.
827
00:38:49,041 --> 00:38:50,321
- And
what do you do with it?
828
00:38:50,521 --> 00:38:52,481
- I save some, spend some.
829
00:38:52,681 --> 00:38:55,121
- Well, I get a pound a week,
830
00:38:55,321 --> 00:38:58,281
and usually during the middle of the week,
831
00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:00,881
my mum takes 10 bob back,
832
00:39:01,081 --> 00:39:05,001
and I save the other 10
bob as much as possible.
833
00:39:05,201 --> 00:39:07,121
- Well, out of my permanent jobs,
834
00:39:07,321 --> 00:39:09,041
I'm getting four dollars, 40.
835
00:39:09,241 --> 00:39:11,321
- Eight shillings a week.
836
00:39:11,521 --> 00:39:14,121
- What do you spend it on?
837
00:39:14,321 --> 00:39:16,881
- Well, I need to spend
very little at school,
838
00:39:17,081 --> 00:39:21,121
and I collect stamps, so I spend
839
00:39:21,321 --> 00:39:22,761
quite a lot of that on that.
840
00:39:22,961 --> 00:39:25,361
- My dad gives me about two pound a week,
841
00:39:25,561 --> 00:39:29,641
and my mum gives me about 30 bob,
842
00:39:29,841 --> 00:39:31,721
and my brothers give me some,
843
00:39:31,921 --> 00:39:37,621
and Mr. Gosling gives me four
pound pocket money every week.
844
00:39:42,641 --> 00:39:43,561
- I don't
particularly want to be rich,
845
00:39:43,761 --> 00:39:47,021
but I'd like to have enough money.
846
00:39:47,881 --> 00:39:50,601
- What
do you mean by enough?
847
00:39:50,801 --> 00:39:52,961
- Enough to have a nice house,
848
00:39:53,161 --> 00:39:55,361
and be able to send the children
849
00:39:55,561 --> 00:39:58,041
to a private school if we want to.
850
00:39:58,241 --> 00:40:01,721
- I mean almost everybody likes money
851
00:40:01,921 --> 00:40:04,321
not for the fact that it,
852
00:40:04,521 --> 00:40:05,321
well, I don't like looking at money.
853
00:40:05,521 --> 00:40:07,201
It doesn't give me any pleasure like that,
854
00:40:07,401 --> 00:40:10,681
but I certainly don't want to be poor,
855
00:40:10,881 --> 00:40:12,161
live in a slum,
856
00:40:16,361 --> 00:40:19,761
but I don't, I mean, a person
with one million pounds
857
00:40:19,961 --> 00:40:22,361
is not gonna be more unhappy
858
00:40:22,561 --> 00:40:24,121
than a person with two million pounds.
859
00:40:24,321 --> 00:40:26,521
- Money's not everything.
860
00:40:26,721 --> 00:40:29,241
- I mean, it does mean a lot to us now
861
00:40:29,441 --> 00:40:32,001
with cars and new fashions
and everything, doesn't it?
862
00:40:32,201 --> 00:40:36,361
Midis and that, you need money because--
863
00:40:36,561 --> 00:40:38,241
- What's midis?
864
00:40:38,241 --> 00:40:40,161
They're clothes, yeah, you need clothes,
865
00:40:40,361 --> 00:40:43,561
but money can't buy happiness.
866
00:40:43,761 --> 00:40:47,141
- Oh, no, you could
work for that yourself.
867
00:40:47,561 --> 00:40:49,601
- Do you want to be rich?
868
00:40:49,801 --> 00:40:52,881
- I don't mind I'd
like to stay where I am.
869
00:40:53,081 --> 00:40:53,881
I don't want to be too rich
870
00:40:54,081 --> 00:40:58,081
I don't want to be poor, poverty.
871
00:40:58,281 --> 00:40:59,241
- What about you, Jackie?
872
00:40:59,441 --> 00:41:01,281
- Just live comfortable.
873
00:41:01,481 --> 00:41:04,121
- Just to have what
you want, really, no extras.
874
00:41:04,321 --> 00:41:07,041
- Just as long as you've got all you need.
875
00:41:07,241 --> 00:41:09,281
- Do you want to be rich?
876
00:41:09,481 --> 00:41:11,081
- I wouldn't mind.
877
00:41:11,081 --> 00:41:14,261
- Do you want to be rich?
878
00:41:16,081 --> 00:41:18,961
- Yes, because I don't
want to be tied down
879
00:41:19,161 --> 00:41:21,521
to the dullness of an everyday job,
880
00:41:21,721 --> 00:41:23,241
I want to be able to have enough money
881
00:41:23,441 --> 00:41:28,081
so I can indulge in the
things that might interest me,
882
00:41:28,281 --> 00:41:30,921
like collecting paintings.
883
00:41:31,121 --> 00:41:33,641
- No, because if you're rich,
884
00:41:33,841 --> 00:41:36,161
you get bored of being rich,
885
00:41:36,361 --> 00:41:40,301
same if you're poor, you
get bored of being poor.
886
00:41:41,401 --> 00:41:44,001
You can't have too much of a good thing.
887
00:41:44,201 --> 00:41:46,361
- I think if you're healthy
and have good friends,
888
00:41:46,561 --> 00:41:47,961
you can get on perfectly well.
889
00:41:48,161 --> 00:41:49,081
Everybody would like to be rich.
890
00:41:49,281 --> 00:41:51,281
- Mainly, to be self-sufficient,
891
00:41:51,481 --> 00:41:56,241
to feel that you don't have
to owe anything to anybody.
892
00:41:56,441 --> 00:42:01,021
- I'd help people if I had the chance.
893
00:42:01,801 --> 00:42:04,961
You know by say giving a
little bit of money to charity
894
00:42:05,161 --> 00:42:08,921
or sponsoring things or things like that.
895
00:42:09,121 --> 00:42:11,961
- I think it's wrong that
one should drive oneself
896
00:42:12,161 --> 00:42:16,661
to make a lot of money because in the end,
897
00:42:17,121 --> 00:42:20,701
you might have caused so many people,
898
00:42:21,601 --> 00:42:24,321
might have ruined so many people
899
00:42:24,521 --> 00:42:25,801
that you would be unhappy.
900
00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:28,801
What's the use of a lot of
money if you're unhappy?
901
00:42:29,001 --> 00:42:29,961
- You have to have it to live,
902
00:42:30,161 --> 00:42:34,281
and there are problems
that you have to face,
903
00:42:34,481 --> 00:42:35,761
and everything's concrete,
904
00:42:35,961 --> 00:42:37,961
and it doesn't seem to be possible
905
00:42:38,161 --> 00:42:47,801
for anything to be invisible
or sort of you can't see it.
906
00:42:48,001 --> 00:42:50,801
I mean, people, all the
scientist have said,
907
00:42:51,001 --> 00:42:52,881
we've looked up into space,
908
00:42:53,081 --> 00:42:54,721
and we haven't seen God,
so there isn't a God,
909
00:42:54,921 --> 00:42:58,041
and it just seems fatuous.
910
00:42:58,241 --> 00:42:58,881
- Do you believe in God?
911
00:42:59,081 --> 00:43:01,481
- I'm not sure whether I
really believe in God or not.
912
00:43:01,681 --> 00:43:03,281
I think to myself is there a God?
913
00:43:03,481 --> 00:43:09,281
I don't know, so I don't know.
914
00:43:09,481 --> 00:43:11,201
- Yes, I'd say I believed in God.
915
00:43:11,401 --> 00:43:13,921
- Are you religious?
916
00:43:13,921 --> 00:43:16,041
- Well, I go to church
with my parents on Sundays.
917
00:43:16,241 --> 00:43:18,281
- You've got to believe in something,
918
00:43:18,481 --> 00:43:22,561
so God seems to be the
most logical I think.
919
00:43:22,761 --> 00:43:23,481
- I wouldn't say I'm deeply religious,
920
00:43:23,681 --> 00:43:25,641
but I do believe in God.
921
00:43:25,841 --> 00:43:27,241
- Why?
922
00:43:29,801 --> 00:43:31,921
- I mean, that's a difficult
question to answer why.
923
00:43:32,121 --> 00:43:34,161
I mean, I just do.
924
00:43:34,161 --> 00:43:35,721
It's an either yes or no question.
925
00:43:35,921 --> 00:43:38,441
- Well, you're brought up to
believe in him, and you do.
926
00:43:38,641 --> 00:43:42,481
- And you must have your
own opinion on that as well.
927
00:43:42,681 --> 00:43:45,761
- But how do you know?
928
00:43:45,961 --> 00:43:48,601
I don't really know if I do or not.
929
00:43:48,801 --> 00:43:50,041
I don't really think about him much.
930
00:43:50,241 --> 00:43:53,841
- No, you don't have that
much time to think about him.
931
00:43:54,041 --> 00:43:56,041
Not when there's so much activity
932
00:43:56,241 --> 00:43:59,041
taking place in school and after school.
933
00:43:59,241 --> 00:44:02,521
- That's the sort of thing I'd
like to sit and think about
934
00:44:02,721 --> 00:44:06,181
or talk to someone about.
935
00:44:07,041 --> 00:44:11,241
- When I sit down and think,
I think I believe in God,
936
00:44:11,441 --> 00:44:15,001
but if somebody just asked me, I'd say no.
937
00:44:15,201 --> 00:44:18,181
I suppose it's just to be big.
938
00:44:19,321 --> 00:44:22,541
- Why do you believe in God?
939
00:44:22,761 --> 00:44:26,761
- Well I believe in
God because if somebody
940
00:44:26,961 --> 00:44:30,981
had to make the world, this world,
941
00:44:32,161 --> 00:44:34,961
then call him what
everybody else calls me,
942
00:44:35,161 --> 00:44:36,001
which is God.
943
00:44:37,361 --> 00:44:41,041
- You can't really tell if
there's a God or not, can you?
944
00:44:41,241 --> 00:44:44,481
You haven't seen him, then you can't say.
945
00:44:44,681 --> 00:44:45,801
- When you were seven,
946
00:44:46,001 --> 00:44:46,921
you wanted to be a missionary.
947
00:44:47,121 --> 00:44:48,041
Have you any thoughts on that?
948
00:44:48,241 --> 00:44:49,361
- No I don't want to be a missionary
949
00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:52,721
because I just can't
talk about it to people.
950
00:44:52,921 --> 00:44:55,361
You know, I'm interested in it myself,
951
00:44:55,561 --> 00:44:59,201
but I wouldn't be very good at it at all,
952
00:44:59,401 --> 00:45:01,481
and I wouldn't enjoy it.
953
00:45:01,681 --> 00:45:04,801
- Why
wouldn't you be good at it?
954
00:45:05,001 --> 00:45:08,481
- Well, I'm just not very good at anyway,
955
00:45:08,681 --> 00:45:11,521
standing up in front of
people and making a speech
956
00:45:11,721 --> 00:45:12,361
or anything like that,
957
00:45:12,561 --> 00:45:15,961
but I'd like to keep it private, you know.
958
00:45:16,161 --> 00:45:20,721
Well, going to Africa
and try and teach people
959
00:45:20,921 --> 00:45:26,801
who are not civilised
to be more or less good.
960
00:45:27,001 --> 00:45:32,081
- And after that, Trinity Hall, Cambridge.
961
00:45:32,281 --> 00:45:34,561
- I'm going to work in Woolworth's.
962
00:45:34,761 --> 00:45:37,641
- I might go to Oxford.
963
00:45:37,841 --> 00:45:42,001
- Oh, I'd just walk around
and see what I can find.
964
00:45:42,201 --> 00:45:45,721
- I'm gonna be, think
I'm going to Cambridge
965
00:45:45,921 --> 00:45:47,521
and Trinity Hall.
966
00:45:47,521 --> 00:45:49,481
- Well, I don't I need to go to university
967
00:45:49,681 --> 00:45:51,041
because I'm not gonna be a teacher.
968
00:45:51,241 --> 00:45:53,281
- I don't think I want to go to university
969
00:45:53,481 --> 00:45:55,441
if you want to be an astronaut.
970
00:45:55,641 --> 00:45:58,121
- What does university mean?
971
00:45:58,321 --> 00:45:59,721
- Where?
972
00:46:00,641 --> 00:46:03,961
- When I grow up, I'd like to find out all
973
00:46:04,161 --> 00:46:06,601
about the moon and all that.
974
00:46:06,801 --> 00:46:08,201
- If I can't be an astronaut,
975
00:46:08,401 --> 00:46:10,401
I think I'll be a coach driver.
976
00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:12,321
This is probably linked up with the fact
977
00:46:12,521 --> 00:46:13,161
now that I think I want to travel.
978
00:46:13,361 --> 00:46:14,761
My thoughts haven't really changed,
979
00:46:14,961 --> 00:46:17,281
so I would definitely would
like to be a coach driver now.
980
00:46:17,481 --> 00:46:18,641
- You wanted to be
981
00:46:18,641 --> 00:46:19,521
an astronaut when you were seven?
982
00:46:19,721 --> 00:46:20,561
- Yeah.
983
00:46:20,561 --> 00:46:21,201
- What feelings have you got
984
00:46:21,401 --> 00:46:22,881
on that subject?
985
00:46:22,881 --> 00:46:26,601
- Well, I've changed my
mind completely of course.
986
00:46:26,801 --> 00:46:30,001
I mean, it was just the imagination
987
00:46:30,201 --> 00:46:31,641
a seven-year-old has.
988
00:46:31,841 --> 00:46:33,801
- I would buy meself a home,
989
00:46:34,001 --> 00:46:35,681
a new nice house, you know,
990
00:46:35,881 --> 00:46:38,441
but it's all nice and comfy.
991
00:46:38,641 --> 00:46:42,881
I'd like to be able to
have a happy family.
992
00:46:43,081 --> 00:46:44,401
I mean, I know that's
not possible to be happy
993
00:46:44,601 --> 00:46:48,881
all the time, but as much of
the time that was possible.
994
00:46:49,081 --> 00:46:51,321
- Just be content with what I'm doing,
995
00:46:51,521 --> 00:46:53,161
and be happy with it,
996
00:46:53,361 --> 00:46:56,241
and to know where I'm going,
997
00:46:56,441 --> 00:46:59,241
and to remember finally what I've done.
998
00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:03,121
- I'm thinking of following a legal career
999
00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:06,521
with a view to ending in parliament.
1000
00:47:06,721 --> 00:47:10,761
- I'd like to do maybe shorthand typing
1001
00:47:10,961 --> 00:47:12,041
or something like that.
1002
00:47:12,241 --> 00:47:15,661
- Nothing too much, I just want to be
1003
00:47:17,681 --> 00:47:20,621
like anybody else, really,
1004
00:47:20,961 --> 00:47:24,121
just nothing too marvellous.
1005
00:47:24,321 --> 00:47:25,161
- What will you do
1006
00:47:25,161 --> 00:47:27,281
if you don't make it as a jockey?
1007
00:47:27,481 --> 00:47:30,321
- I don't know, if I
knew I couldn't be one,
1008
00:47:30,521 --> 00:47:34,581
I'd get out, I wouldn't bother.
1009
00:47:35,081 --> 00:47:37,761
- And what do
you think you would do then?
1010
00:47:37,961 --> 00:47:40,641
- Learn taxis, taxi driver.
1011
00:47:40,841 --> 00:47:41,681
- There is a danger
1012
00:47:41,681 --> 00:47:43,841
that you would get
married at early twenties
1013
00:47:44,041 --> 00:47:47,801
and have children quickly
and then be stuck at home.
1014
00:47:48,001 --> 00:47:51,021
Have you any thoughts on that?
1015
00:47:55,601 --> 00:47:58,121
- I don't really think of it much.
1016
00:47:58,321 --> 00:47:59,161
- No.
1017
00:47:59,161 --> 00:48:03,681
- I don't think I'd get married too early.
1018
00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:04,801
I'd like to have a full life first,
1019
00:48:05,001 --> 00:48:06,401
and meet people.
- Perhaps enjoy myself
1020
00:48:06,601 --> 00:48:07,601
before I--
1021
00:48:07,601 --> 00:48:11,361
- Yeah, fully commit to somebody.
1022
00:48:11,561 --> 00:48:12,921
- How do you
think England will change
1023
00:48:13,121 --> 00:48:14,601
over the next few years?
1024
00:48:14,801 --> 00:48:15,641
- England?
1025
00:48:18,481 --> 00:48:23,541
Not very much, England
is too English, sort of.
1026
00:48:24,121 --> 00:48:25,801
- Are you a traditionalist?
1027
00:48:26,001 --> 00:48:27,601
- Yes.
1028
00:48:27,601 --> 00:48:29,801
- In what way?
1029
00:48:29,801 --> 00:48:30,721
- I like tradition.
1030
00:48:32,921 --> 00:48:35,921
- Do you expect
to live your life in England?
1031
00:48:36,121 --> 00:48:38,001
- I think it's just
about the best place you
1032
00:48:38,201 --> 00:48:40,161
can live your life, in England.
1033
00:48:40,361 --> 00:48:42,001
- Why?
1034
00:48:43,161 --> 00:48:48,501
- I think the parliamentary
system is agreeable,
1035
00:48:49,481 --> 00:48:50,281
to me at least,
1036
00:48:54,721 --> 00:48:59,661
and that's about it, why
one's free in England,
1037
00:49:00,281 --> 00:49:02,721
and one has good
opportunities for everything.
1038
00:49:02,921 --> 00:49:05,321
We've all got much more
equal opportunities.
1039
00:49:05,521 --> 00:49:06,761
In those days, the people at the bottom
1040
00:49:06,961 --> 00:49:09,281
really had to work like blacks,
1041
00:49:09,481 --> 00:49:12,201
so that they could achieve something.
1042
00:49:12,401 --> 00:49:16,521
- But nowadays, to get kicks out of life,
1043
00:49:16,721 --> 00:49:18,201
you have to use synthetic means
1044
00:49:18,401 --> 00:49:20,281
whereas originally, earlier on,
1045
00:49:20,481 --> 00:49:23,881
about 40 years ago,
these things came in life
1046
00:49:24,081 --> 00:49:30,201
whereas with all the modern world today,
1047
00:49:30,401 --> 00:49:32,601
lots of these things have
been sort of stopped,
1048
00:49:32,801 --> 00:49:35,601
and a lot of the enjoyment of
life has been taken out of it.
1049
00:49:35,801 --> 00:49:38,081
- Yes, the natural enjoyment.
1050
00:49:38,281 --> 00:49:39,681
- Hasn't been taken out of it,
1051
00:49:39,881 --> 00:49:43,121
it's just people, it's still
there if you look for it.
1052
00:49:43,321 --> 00:49:44,321
I mean--
1053
00:49:44,321 --> 00:49:45,241
- But how many people can look for it?
1054
00:49:45,441 --> 00:49:46,081
- Everybody can look.
1055
00:49:46,281 --> 00:49:50,541
Everybody can pursue happiness.
1056
00:49:57,881 --> 00:49:59,921
- At the end
of their very special day
1057
00:50:00,121 --> 00:50:03,921
in London, after their trip
to the zoo and the party,
1058
00:50:04,121 --> 00:50:06,961
we took our children to
an adventure playground
1059
00:50:07,161 --> 00:50:10,701
where they could do just what they liked.
1060
00:50:12,281 --> 00:50:13,281
Those from the children's home
1061
00:50:13,481 --> 00:50:16,541
set about building a house.
1062
00:50:27,121 --> 00:50:28,001
There's Nicholas.
1063
00:50:33,441 --> 00:50:34,241
And Tony.
1064
00:50:42,401 --> 00:50:43,201
Andrew.
1065
00:50:45,121 --> 00:50:45,961
And Bruce.
1066
00:50:53,481 --> 00:50:54,321
John.
1067
00:50:58,961 --> 00:50:59,801
Suzy.
1068
00:51:03,041 --> 00:51:06,461
Jackie and her friends.
1069
00:51:10,401 --> 00:51:13,361
Give me a child until he is seven,
1070
00:51:13,561 --> 00:51:17,101
and I will give you the man.
1071
00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:28,781
This has been a glimpse
of Britain's future.
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