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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,481 --> 00:00:08,961 - There's 2 00:00:12,561 --> 00:00:13,441 - Look at those, cool. 3 00:00:13,641 --> 00:00:16,601 - This was no ordinary outing to the zoo. 4 00:00:16,801 --> 00:00:19,841 It was a very special occasion. 5 00:00:20,041 --> 00:00:22,121 It was part of a programme filmed in 1964 6 00:00:22,321 --> 00:00:24,961 when we brought together a group of seven-year-old children 7 00:00:25,161 --> 00:00:28,621 from vastly different backgrounds. 8 00:00:29,681 --> 00:00:31,361 We went to prep schools, primary schools, 9 00:00:31,561 --> 00:00:33,521 state schools, and private schools 10 00:00:33,721 --> 00:00:37,001 and picked out 14 children. 11 00:00:37,201 --> 00:00:38,481 We brought them together because we wanted 12 00:00:38,681 --> 00:00:40,721 a glimpse of the shop steward and the executive 13 00:00:40,921 --> 00:00:42,161 of the year 2000. 14 00:00:43,761 --> 00:00:45,761 "Give me a child until he is seven, 15 00:00:45,961 --> 00:00:49,221 "and I will give you the man." 16 00:00:49,441 --> 00:00:51,121 These children are now 14, 17 00:00:51,321 --> 00:00:54,081 halfway between childhood and manhood. 18 00:00:54,281 --> 00:00:57,041 This is our interim report. 19 00:00:57,241 --> 00:01:01,481 - If we did all love Jeffrey and we all want to marry. 20 00:01:01,681 --> 00:01:02,481 - Yeah. 21 00:01:02,481 --> 00:01:05,201 - I think I know the one that he'd likes best, 22 00:01:05,401 --> 00:01:07,401 and that's her. 23 00:01:07,401 --> 00:01:10,081 - Jackie, Lindsay, Susan. 24 00:01:10,281 --> 00:01:11,801 - Plenty of boyfriends, but not one-- 25 00:01:12,001 --> 00:01:13,561 - Not one in particular. 26 00:01:13,761 --> 00:01:16,241 You're friends with plenty of boys, you know. 27 00:01:16,441 --> 00:01:19,401 - My heart's desire is to see my daddy, 28 00:01:19,601 --> 00:01:21,401 who's 6000 miles away. 29 00:01:21,601 --> 00:01:22,441 - Bruce. 30 00:01:22,441 --> 00:01:23,681 - You know, I've been getting on well 31 00:01:23,881 --> 00:01:28,761 with my stepfather, and I like to see my father occasionally 32 00:01:28,961 --> 00:01:31,601 and he does come over from Rhodesia. 33 00:01:31,801 --> 00:01:33,281 - Do you have a girlfriend? 34 00:01:33,481 --> 00:01:36,981 - Nicholas from the Yorkshire Dales. 35 00:01:37,281 --> 00:01:40,241 - I don't want to answer that. 36 00:01:40,441 --> 00:01:44,441 I don't answer those kind of questions. 37 00:01:44,641 --> 00:01:48,421 No, I'm not answering that one. 38 00:01:52,561 --> 00:01:54,041 - Suzy. 39 00:01:54,041 --> 00:01:56,001 - I gave that up as a failure. 40 00:01:56,201 --> 00:01:57,521 - I was gonna be a policeman, 41 00:01:57,721 --> 00:02:01,321 but I've thought how hard it would be to join in. 42 00:02:01,521 --> 00:02:02,361 - Paul. 43 00:02:02,361 --> 00:02:04,281 - Basketball appeals to me most, 44 00:02:04,481 --> 00:02:08,201 but with this school, I'm one of their best players 45 00:02:08,401 --> 00:02:11,401 in form two, but when I get into a team, 46 00:02:11,601 --> 00:02:13,681 they make me look like I can't play. 47 00:02:13,881 --> 00:02:19,441 - I feel like bundling when there's already a fight. 48 00:02:19,641 --> 00:02:21,081 - I was gonna be a film star, but-- 49 00:02:21,281 --> 00:02:22,121 - Symon. 50 00:02:22,121 --> 00:02:26,041 - Now, I'm gonna be an electrical engineer, 51 00:02:26,241 --> 00:02:30,101 which is more to reality really. 52 00:02:34,961 --> 00:02:36,641 - Singing Waltzing Matilda in Latin 53 00:02:36,841 --> 00:02:39,481 at an exclusive pre-prep school in Kensington, 54 00:02:39,681 --> 00:02:41,081 we chose three boys. 55 00:02:43,081 --> 00:02:43,921 Charles, 56 00:02:46,001 --> 00:02:46,801 Andrew. 57 00:02:48,081 --> 00:02:49,961 - I read the Financial Times. 58 00:02:50,161 --> 00:02:51,161 - And John. 59 00:02:51,161 --> 00:02:53,681 - I read Observer and the Times. 60 00:02:53,881 --> 00:02:56,001 - What do you like about it? 61 00:02:56,201 --> 00:02:59,081 - Well, I like, I usually look at the headlines, 62 00:02:59,281 --> 00:03:04,721 and then read about them, about it. 63 00:03:04,921 --> 00:03:07,761 - I like my newspaper because I got shares 64 00:03:07,961 --> 00:03:11,321 and I know every day what the shares are. 65 00:03:11,521 --> 00:03:13,641 - Stuff like misers like you like. 66 00:03:13,841 --> 00:03:16,601 - No, but on Mondays, they don't move up, 67 00:03:16,801 --> 00:03:18,001 so I don't look at it. 68 00:03:18,201 --> 00:03:21,521 I made several blunders on Seven Up. 69 00:03:21,721 --> 00:03:23,761 For instance, I said I was going to Trinity Hall 70 00:03:23,961 --> 00:03:25,561 instead of Trinity College. 71 00:03:25,761 --> 00:03:28,921 They didn't like that too much, nor did my father. 72 00:03:29,121 --> 00:03:31,361 Also, I rather exaggerated when I said 73 00:03:31,561 --> 00:03:34,481 how much I liked stocks and shares 74 00:03:34,681 --> 00:03:36,361 because I don't anymore. 75 00:03:36,561 --> 00:03:37,841 - How do you think you've changed 76 00:03:38,041 --> 00:03:40,361 since you were seven years old? 77 00:03:40,561 --> 00:03:42,481 - Well, I mean, one grows so slowly 78 00:03:42,681 --> 00:03:45,361 that one never notices honestly. 79 00:03:45,561 --> 00:03:48,641 I feel the same as I felt at seven, I may not be. 80 00:03:48,841 --> 00:03:50,601 When I leave this school, 81 00:03:50,801 --> 00:03:55,501 I'm going to Collet Court, 82 00:03:56,641 --> 00:03:59,201 and then I will be going to Westminster Boarding School 83 00:03:59,401 --> 00:04:00,721 if I pass the exam. 84 00:04:00,721 --> 00:04:02,041 - John passed the entrance exam, 85 00:04:02,241 --> 00:04:04,561 and is a weekly boarder at Westminster School. 86 00:04:04,761 --> 00:04:06,241 - When I leave school, 87 00:04:06,441 --> 00:04:10,361 I'm going the Dragon School, I might, 88 00:04:10,561 --> 00:04:13,801 and mummy's, and after I might go 89 00:04:14,001 --> 00:04:16,801 to Charter House Marlborough. 90 00:04:17,001 --> 00:04:18,641 - Charles is at Marlborough. 91 00:04:18,841 --> 00:04:19,961 - When I leave this school, 92 00:04:20,161 --> 00:04:24,561 I go to Broadstairs' St. Peter's Court, 93 00:04:24,761 --> 00:04:29,041 then after that, I'm going to Charterhouse. 94 00:04:29,241 --> 00:04:31,361 - Andrew is at Charterhouse. 95 00:04:31,561 --> 00:04:33,241 - When I leave this school, 96 00:04:33,441 --> 00:04:37,481 I'm down for Heathfield and Southover Manor. 97 00:04:37,681 --> 00:04:40,401 - Suzy is at Southover Manor. 98 00:04:40,601 --> 00:04:42,201 - Would everybody please sit round now? 99 00:04:42,401 --> 00:04:43,281 - For one-third of our children, 100 00:04:43,481 --> 00:04:46,561 their education was pre-planned and paid for. 101 00:04:46,761 --> 00:04:48,281 The remainder went to state schools, 102 00:04:48,481 --> 00:04:50,801 and their future seemed less certain. 103 00:04:51,001 --> 00:04:52,561 - I want to be a jockey when I grow up. 104 00:04:52,761 --> 00:04:58,421 Yeah, I want to be a jockey when I grow up. 105 00:05:00,881 --> 00:05:03,481 - Tony is on the way to achieving his ambition. 106 00:05:03,681 --> 00:05:04,961 He spends all his free time 107 00:05:05,161 --> 00:05:09,081 at Tommy Gosling's Racing Stables at Epsom. 108 00:05:09,281 --> 00:05:11,641 - My dad got on to Mr. Gosling. 109 00:05:11,841 --> 00:05:13,361 Mr. Gosling told me I can come here 110 00:05:13,561 --> 00:05:18,221 for every school holidays and learn a bit more. 111 00:05:22,561 --> 00:05:23,801 Next April, I'll be leaving school, 112 00:05:24,001 --> 00:05:27,061 and I'll work for him for good. 113 00:05:32,641 --> 00:05:34,601 - Did your parents encourage you to do this? 114 00:05:34,801 --> 00:05:36,641 - Yeah, they're pleased with everything what I've got, 115 00:05:36,841 --> 00:05:39,441 you know, going to do, 116 00:05:39,641 --> 00:05:43,161 but they always has wanted me to be a jockey. 117 00:05:43,361 --> 00:05:44,361 - Why? 118 00:05:45,441 --> 00:05:48,841 - Enjoyment, just to say, "My son's a jockey," 119 00:05:49,041 --> 00:05:51,381 like, you know what I mean? 120 00:05:51,641 --> 00:05:52,561 - Tony's change from elementary school 121 00:05:52,761 --> 00:05:54,801 to Secondary Modern didn't alter his ambition, 122 00:05:55,001 --> 00:05:57,241 but how about the other children? 123 00:05:57,441 --> 00:06:01,521 Has a change of school changed them? 124 00:06:01,721 --> 00:06:07,241 Bruce was at a pre-preparatory boarding school in Surrey. 125 00:06:07,441 --> 00:06:12,201 - And that's farmer heath gives me nightmares. 126 00:06:12,401 --> 00:06:15,041 I was about five when I went there, 127 00:06:15,241 --> 00:06:16,841 and then, 128 00:06:16,841 --> 00:06:19,481 I suppose I was too young really to understand it, 129 00:06:19,681 --> 00:06:20,801 and I thought it was a bit severe at the time, 130 00:06:21,001 --> 00:06:22,921 but then I just got used to it, 131 00:06:23,121 --> 00:06:24,881 and didn't have sort of any impulses 132 00:06:25,081 --> 00:06:27,161 to do things wrong, anything like that, 133 00:06:27,361 --> 00:06:30,121 and I just got into the track of. 134 00:06:30,321 --> 00:06:31,321 - We're supposed to go sideways. 135 00:06:31,521 --> 00:06:32,881 - You know, of what they said 136 00:06:33,081 --> 00:06:34,681 you must do and mustn't. 137 00:06:34,881 --> 00:06:37,721 - Right, steady. 138 00:06:37,721 --> 00:06:41,481 Let's go left foot everyone, place. 139 00:06:41,681 --> 00:06:42,921 Squad pleasing. 140 00:06:45,481 --> 00:06:49,001 - At St. Paul's, I like the companionship, 141 00:06:49,201 --> 00:06:53,361 you know, with other boys really. 142 00:06:53,561 --> 00:06:56,561 It's a bit, and you get that much more in a boarding school. 143 00:06:56,761 --> 00:07:01,901 - Well, I think boarding makes you feel self-sufficient 144 00:07:02,321 --> 00:07:04,641 and also teaches you to be away from your parents, 145 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:08,361 and to live with people for a long time, 146 00:07:08,561 --> 00:07:12,121 which you have to do in later life anyway. 147 00:07:12,321 --> 00:07:14,041 - Well, I agree with that a certain amount, 148 00:07:14,241 --> 00:07:16,961 but when you board on a weekly basis, 149 00:07:17,161 --> 00:07:20,921 you have the best of both worlds, so to speak. 150 00:07:21,121 --> 00:07:23,521 One sees one's parents at the weekend, 151 00:07:23,721 --> 00:07:25,441 and one gets all the benefits 152 00:07:25,641 --> 00:07:28,121 from an English boarding school. 153 00:07:28,321 --> 00:07:30,841 - I think prep school boarding is a bad idea 154 00:07:31,041 --> 00:07:35,921 because up til about 12, 155 00:07:36,121 --> 00:07:37,881 maybe it's different with other people, 156 00:07:38,081 --> 00:07:41,561 but I've found you're much more attached to your parents 157 00:07:41,761 --> 00:07:46,181 once you come to about 13, 14, 158 00:07:46,441 --> 00:07:48,201 you're not quite so attached to them. 159 00:07:48,401 --> 00:07:50,001 - Two of our boys who didn't have the chance 160 00:07:50,201 --> 00:07:51,601 to be attached to their parents 161 00:07:51,801 --> 00:07:53,161 were those brought up in a children's home 162 00:07:53,361 --> 00:07:56,441 supported by charity, Symon. 163 00:07:56,641 --> 00:07:57,761 - I had one dream, 164 00:07:58,681 --> 00:08:00,801 and everything flew up in the air. 165 00:08:01,001 --> 00:08:04,401 It all landed on my head. 166 00:08:04,601 --> 00:08:06,321 - Symon stayed at the home until last Christmas 167 00:08:06,521 --> 00:08:08,641 when he returned to live with his mother. 168 00:08:08,841 --> 00:08:11,241 - They say, "Where's your father, then? 169 00:08:11,441 --> 00:08:13,281 "You know, when your mum's out at work, 170 00:08:13,481 --> 00:08:14,961 "stay with your father." 171 00:08:15,161 --> 00:08:18,581 And I just tell them, I ain't got one. 172 00:08:22,601 --> 00:08:26,081 - What effect has that had on you? 173 00:08:26,281 --> 00:08:28,281 - Well, I don't think it's had any effect on me 174 00:08:28,481 --> 00:08:34,981 because what you don't have, you don't miss, 175 00:08:35,321 --> 00:08:36,961 as far as I can see. 176 00:08:36,961 --> 00:08:37,961 - Also at the children's home 177 00:08:38,161 --> 00:08:40,321 with Symon was Paul. 178 00:08:40,321 --> 00:08:43,001 He and his family emigrated when he was eight. 179 00:08:43,201 --> 00:08:45,321 - I don't like the big boys hitting us 180 00:08:45,521 --> 00:08:48,841 and the monitors up in the washroom 181 00:08:49,041 --> 00:08:50,921 sends the nurse out, 182 00:08:50,921 --> 00:08:53,761 and there's no talking, but I wasn't talking today, 183 00:08:53,961 --> 00:08:57,001 and Brown sent me out for nothing. 184 00:08:57,201 --> 00:09:01,101 - What do you remember of England? 185 00:09:01,401 --> 00:09:03,321 - It seemed to be raining all the time. 186 00:09:03,521 --> 00:09:05,441 I wouldn't stake my life on it 187 00:09:05,641 --> 00:09:07,721 because I can't remember very much. 188 00:09:07,921 --> 00:09:09,561 - He went to Australia 189 00:09:09,761 --> 00:09:10,761 to start a new life. 190 00:09:11,921 --> 00:09:15,441 - Well, I was going to become a bank accountant, 191 00:09:15,641 --> 00:09:18,761 but it's more book taking, the mess, 192 00:09:18,961 --> 00:09:20,801 and that was main reason I was thinking 193 00:09:21,001 --> 00:09:24,641 about becoming a panel beater. 194 00:09:24,841 --> 00:09:30,041 And I don't know why now I've stopped thinking about that. 195 00:09:30,241 --> 00:09:31,961 I just haven't made up my mind yet. 196 00:09:32,161 --> 00:09:34,241 I was going to be a phys ed teacher, 197 00:09:34,441 --> 00:09:35,561 but one of the teachers told me 198 00:09:35,761 --> 00:09:39,161 that they had to get up into university. 199 00:09:39,361 --> 00:09:40,201 - Were you happy 200 00:09:40,201 --> 00:09:42,601 at the children's home in England? 201 00:09:42,801 --> 00:09:43,521 - I mean, I didn't mind that really 202 00:09:43,721 --> 00:09:46,081 because we didn't know what was going on 203 00:09:46,281 --> 00:09:48,861 because I was a bit young. 204 00:09:49,561 --> 00:09:50,201 - Were you happier then 205 00:09:50,401 --> 00:09:51,801 than you are now? 206 00:09:54,441 --> 00:09:56,641 - In a way, yeah, I was, 207 00:09:56,841 --> 00:10:00,721 but then, I'm happy for being at home. 208 00:10:00,921 --> 00:10:02,121 At the school, everything you wanted, 209 00:10:02,321 --> 00:10:04,001 you just had it, 210 00:10:04,001 --> 00:10:06,121 and everybody was your friend, 211 00:10:06,321 --> 00:10:08,521 and you never knew any enemies, really, 212 00:10:08,721 --> 00:10:12,801 but here, people are undecided about you. 213 00:10:13,001 --> 00:10:14,201 They could be your friend one day, 214 00:10:14,401 --> 00:10:16,601 and not the next. 215 00:10:16,601 --> 00:10:19,441 - And then I moved up to a comprehensive school. 216 00:10:19,641 --> 00:10:22,081 I found it much bigger, of course, 217 00:10:22,281 --> 00:10:22,921 and I found it hard to settle into at first. 218 00:10:23,121 --> 00:10:24,361 - From a Liverpool suburb, 219 00:10:24,561 --> 00:10:26,681 returning home from the comprehensive school, 220 00:10:26,881 --> 00:10:28,401 Neil and Peter. 221 00:10:28,401 --> 00:10:29,161 - I'm much more happy here 222 00:10:29,361 --> 00:10:30,881 than when I first came. 223 00:10:31,081 --> 00:10:32,761 You get so many different types of people. 224 00:10:32,961 --> 00:10:35,321 People different sort of brains, you know, 225 00:10:35,521 --> 00:10:37,521 from the very clever people 226 00:10:37,721 --> 00:10:39,521 to you know, people who haven't got 227 00:10:39,721 --> 00:10:41,561 much sense at all really. 228 00:10:41,761 --> 00:10:43,441 Well, we pretend we've got swords, 229 00:10:43,641 --> 00:10:46,761 and we make the noise of the swords fighting, 230 00:10:46,961 --> 00:10:50,841 and Lancelot he stabs us, we go. 231 00:10:51,041 --> 00:10:51,681 I've been playing since I started 232 00:10:51,881 --> 00:10:55,821 at the comprehensive school since the first year. 233 00:10:58,281 --> 00:10:59,921 We play international wrestling. 234 00:11:00,121 --> 00:11:02,401 - Yeah, that's only summer time, though. 235 00:11:02,601 --> 00:11:05,201 - Yeah, only when we can go in the grass. 236 00:11:05,401 --> 00:11:06,121 - There used to be a senior team, 237 00:11:06,321 --> 00:11:09,181 but they all lost interest. 238 00:11:10,401 --> 00:11:14,661 Watch this, checkmate. 239 00:11:15,481 --> 00:11:20,001 - Oh, hey, gosh, it is. 240 00:11:20,201 --> 00:11:21,241 How did you do that? 241 00:11:21,241 --> 00:11:22,721 I guess it's a very good idea to have competition 242 00:11:22,921 --> 00:11:24,961 otherwise, you might start to relax really 243 00:11:25,161 --> 00:11:28,021 and not to try hard enough. 244 00:11:28,721 --> 00:11:30,521 - What do you think? 245 00:11:30,521 --> 00:11:34,121 - I agree, yes, it's a good thing. 246 00:11:34,321 --> 00:11:35,481 If there was no one to compete with, 247 00:11:35,681 --> 00:11:38,281 you wouldn't be trying so hard. 248 00:11:38,481 --> 00:11:39,121 - The three little girls from East End 249 00:11:39,321 --> 00:11:40,801 had the choice of going to a comprehensive 250 00:11:41,001 --> 00:11:42,481 or a grammar school. 251 00:11:42,481 --> 00:11:44,441 - I'm going to work in Woolworth's. 252 00:11:44,641 --> 00:11:46,521 - Lindsay chose the grammar school. 253 00:11:46,721 --> 00:11:49,321 - Why am I using a wooden spoon, please, 254 00:11:49,521 --> 00:11:50,401 to stir the saucepan? 255 00:11:50,601 --> 00:11:51,841 - The noise. 256 00:11:51,841 --> 00:11:53,681 - The noise, yes, we've got 16 people, 257 00:11:53,881 --> 00:11:55,561 16 saucepans, we don't want the noise 258 00:11:55,761 --> 00:11:58,881 from 16 people stirring with metal spoons. 259 00:11:59,081 --> 00:12:00,201 - This is my first choice, 260 00:12:00,401 --> 00:12:02,961 and this is where I turned up 261 00:12:03,161 --> 00:12:04,921 even though some of my friends 262 00:12:05,121 --> 00:12:06,401 were going to the other school. 263 00:12:06,601 --> 00:12:08,601 - I didn't feel like going to a grammar school. 264 00:12:08,801 --> 00:12:11,161 I just, you know, comprehensive school, 265 00:12:11,361 --> 00:12:13,121 it just seemed more friendly, you know. 266 00:12:13,321 --> 00:12:16,681 At the time, yes, but now they may be different. 267 00:12:16,881 --> 00:12:18,321 - Grammar school's fantastic. 268 00:12:18,521 --> 00:12:20,921 - If you say so. 269 00:12:20,921 --> 00:12:23,881 - Well, we've all got our opinions. 270 00:12:24,081 --> 00:12:24,881 - I like-- 271 00:12:24,881 --> 00:12:26,921 - What advantages has a comprehensive school got? 272 00:12:27,121 --> 00:12:28,201 - Oh, especially this school, it's new, 273 00:12:28,401 --> 00:12:30,401 and they've got everything you could want. 274 00:12:30,601 --> 00:12:34,321 They got equipment. 275 00:12:34,321 --> 00:12:36,121 - What I enjoy about this school is, 276 00:12:36,321 --> 00:12:39,521 with this school, we do metal work and woodwork, 277 00:12:39,721 --> 00:12:41,241 and the boys do cookery. 278 00:12:41,441 --> 00:12:45,741 And we get our share of everything as it were. 279 00:12:46,321 --> 00:12:48,361 - It's good though, learning metal work, innit? 280 00:12:48,561 --> 00:12:49,281 - Well, in a grammar school, 281 00:12:49,481 --> 00:12:50,641 I don't think you'd find many girls 282 00:12:50,841 --> 00:12:53,481 that really want to do metal work or woodwork. 283 00:12:53,681 --> 00:12:55,001 - Now, see that's what I mean. 284 00:12:55,201 --> 00:12:56,361 That's the difference. 285 00:12:56,561 --> 00:13:02,781 - That sort of shows the difference in the people. 286 00:13:03,241 --> 00:13:03,961 - One of the keys to the character 287 00:13:04,161 --> 00:13:07,401 of the seven-year-old was how they spent their free time. 288 00:13:07,601 --> 00:13:10,501 Bruce had his school band. 289 00:13:12,601 --> 00:13:15,521 - When I go home, I come in, 290 00:13:15,721 --> 00:13:18,201 and mummy gives me a cup of tea, 291 00:13:18,401 --> 00:13:20,201 and then I go out and play. 292 00:13:20,401 --> 00:13:22,161 And when it starts to get dark. 293 00:13:22,361 --> 00:13:26,941 I come in again and put on TV. 294 00:13:34,721 --> 00:13:37,121 - But I don't got to go to bed til 7. 295 00:13:37,321 --> 00:13:43,461 - I usually go to bed 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock. 296 00:13:46,001 --> 00:13:47,521 Sometimes I go dog racing. 297 00:13:47,721 --> 00:13:50,281 Of course, I like going there for something to do at night, 298 00:13:50,481 --> 00:13:52,641 so I don't really do anything at night, 299 00:13:52,841 --> 00:13:56,601 only running dogs or watch other things, watch telly. 300 00:13:56,801 --> 00:13:58,961 - I don't watch very much television. 301 00:13:59,161 --> 00:14:00,001 - I used to watch it a lot, 302 00:14:00,201 --> 00:14:02,521 but I'm not watching it so much, 303 00:14:02,721 --> 00:14:04,881 and I think it's good because lots of it 304 00:14:05,081 --> 00:14:07,561 is corrupting me a bit. 305 00:14:07,761 --> 00:14:11,641 - A like serials, like Peyton Place and Crossroads, 306 00:14:11,841 --> 00:14:12,961 always watch Crossroads if I can. 307 00:14:13,161 --> 00:14:16,161 - For one thing, the advertisements, you know. 308 00:14:16,361 --> 00:14:20,041 I can recite about six tunes off of it, 309 00:14:20,241 --> 00:14:23,121 and it just seems a worthless thing to know. 310 00:14:23,321 --> 00:14:24,921 - There's too many things going on at school 311 00:14:25,121 --> 00:14:26,961 though we do have a television, 312 00:14:27,161 --> 00:14:29,881 and at the weekend, they can be more selective, 313 00:14:30,081 --> 00:14:32,641 and there's not much that I like. 314 00:14:32,841 --> 00:14:34,601 - Well, I'm quite interested in archaeology, 315 00:14:34,801 --> 00:14:37,081 and we're doing a local dig at Vinscomb, 316 00:14:37,281 --> 00:14:38,121 near our school. 317 00:14:39,321 --> 00:14:40,881 - Being in Set One, it's very, very hard 318 00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:43,241 to keep up with the leaders. 319 00:14:43,441 --> 00:14:46,161 I never have a time to relax at all. 320 00:14:46,361 --> 00:14:48,441 - What do you do in an evening? 321 00:14:48,641 --> 00:14:49,881 - Just go out with friends normally. 322 00:14:50,081 --> 00:14:51,161 - Yeah. 323 00:14:51,161 --> 00:14:53,201 - Or to clubs sometimes. 324 00:14:53,401 --> 00:14:54,801 - Yeah, there aren't many clubs around here. 325 00:14:55,001 --> 00:14:56,441 It's disgusting, it really is. 326 00:14:56,641 --> 00:15:00,041 You hear people talking about it on television, 327 00:15:00,241 --> 00:15:02,761 but it's really bad round in the east end. 328 00:15:02,961 --> 00:15:05,041 It really is, there's hardly anything. 329 00:15:05,241 --> 00:15:06,761 - There's always something to do here. 330 00:15:06,961 --> 00:15:08,441 I mean, I'm never, ever bored. 331 00:15:08,641 --> 00:15:09,281 - Suzy now lives in Scotland 332 00:15:09,481 --> 00:15:11,601 on her father's 4000 acre estate. 333 00:15:11,801 --> 00:15:13,721 - It's very, very small really 334 00:15:13,921 --> 00:15:15,681 when you got one spare room, there's my room, 335 00:15:15,881 --> 00:15:17,921 there's Molly's room, it's very small. 336 00:15:18,121 --> 00:15:19,761 There's a kitchen and a dining room, 337 00:15:19,961 --> 00:15:22,481 the drawing room, and really, we mostly sit, 338 00:15:22,681 --> 00:15:25,041 sit when we have people in. 339 00:15:25,241 --> 00:15:26,081 That's really it. 340 00:15:27,841 --> 00:15:31,661 - What sort of things do you do? 341 00:15:33,121 --> 00:15:39,021 - Ride, swim, play tennis, ping pong, 342 00:15:39,801 --> 00:15:44,541 I pray croquet, things like that. 343 00:15:45,801 --> 00:15:49,641 - What about the social life? What's that? 344 00:15:49,841 --> 00:15:51,281 - What in Perthshire? 345 00:15:51,481 --> 00:15:52,521 - Yeah. 346 00:15:52,521 --> 00:15:57,621 - It's quite fun. We've got some things going on. 347 00:15:57,841 --> 00:16:00,581 - I think your dog's got a rabbit. 348 00:16:01,361 --> 00:16:02,281 What should we do? 349 00:16:04,961 --> 00:16:05,601 Do you want someone to see it? 350 00:16:05,801 --> 00:16:08,201 - Max, bring it here. 351 00:16:08,401 --> 00:16:10,201 Oh, disgusting, that was the second one 352 00:16:10,401 --> 00:16:12,801 you've given in the second week. 353 00:16:13,001 --> 00:16:16,501 Oh, Max, for God's sake, leave it alone. 354 00:16:17,961 --> 00:16:18,601 - Does that worry you? 355 00:16:18,801 --> 00:16:20,721 - Nope, not at all. 356 00:16:20,721 --> 00:16:24,041 Here I see birds and things wounded. 357 00:16:24,241 --> 00:16:25,361 I don't like that, they run off, 358 00:16:25,561 --> 00:16:29,741 and you never get a chance to kill them. 359 00:16:30,161 --> 00:16:32,041 - Why doesn't it worry you 360 00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:34,441 if things have to be killed? 361 00:16:34,641 --> 00:16:38,181 - Because I've been brought up to it. 362 00:16:38,641 --> 00:16:41,681 - Da, da, da, there's not in too late there. 363 00:16:41,881 --> 00:16:45,881 Quite quietly, it's very nonchalant little theme, 364 00:16:46,081 --> 00:16:47,561 you know, butter wouldn't melt its mouth, 365 00:16:47,761 --> 00:16:48,921 so take it very quietly, 366 00:16:49,121 --> 00:16:51,981 let it just present itself. 367 00:16:52,241 --> 00:16:53,041 Half beat. 368 00:16:53,961 --> 00:16:54,961 There we go. 369 00:16:56,441 --> 00:16:57,681 Da, da, da, da. 370 00:17:00,361 --> 00:17:03,521 - We have about 10 pianos and practise rooms, 371 00:17:03,721 --> 00:17:06,481 and there are orchestras, choral societies, 372 00:17:06,681 --> 00:17:10,781 and two choirs, well, it's a marvellous music system. 373 00:17:16,761 --> 00:17:19,841 I think there's too much competition nowadays. 374 00:17:20,041 --> 00:17:22,721 There's so many good pianists, 375 00:17:22,921 --> 00:17:24,681 and only very few make a great one, 376 00:17:24,881 --> 00:17:27,281 and I think it must be very disparaging 377 00:17:27,481 --> 00:17:30,001 if you can only get half the way. 378 00:17:30,201 --> 00:17:32,001 - Are you ambitious? 379 00:17:32,001 --> 00:17:33,161 - Yes. 380 00:17:33,161 --> 00:17:35,241 - What for? 381 00:17:38,641 --> 00:17:39,721 - Well, fame. 382 00:17:42,721 --> 00:17:43,841 And power. 383 00:17:45,881 --> 00:17:47,121 - What sort of power? 384 00:17:47,321 --> 00:17:48,241 - Political power. 385 00:17:49,921 --> 00:17:51,921 - Are you ruthless? 386 00:17:51,921 --> 00:17:53,521 - Not really. 387 00:17:53,521 --> 00:17:54,801 - Do you think to have political power, 388 00:17:55,001 --> 00:17:56,081 you got to be ruthless? 389 00:17:56,281 --> 00:17:57,121 - Yes. 390 00:17:59,921 --> 00:18:01,041 - Well, what qualities do you need 391 00:18:01,241 --> 00:18:04,801 to have political power then if it's not ruthlessness? 392 00:18:05,001 --> 00:18:07,401 - Great strength of mind. 393 00:18:07,601 --> 00:18:10,041 - They'd like to come out for a holiday 394 00:18:10,241 --> 00:18:15,481 in the country when I'd like to have a holiday in the town. 395 00:18:15,681 --> 00:18:17,761 - I've been to Leeds a couple of times, 396 00:18:17,961 --> 00:18:22,581 and I haven't been to Manchester. 397 00:18:25,401 --> 00:18:29,601 I went to London like with the other programme 398 00:18:29,801 --> 00:18:30,561 when you did the first programme, 399 00:18:30,761 --> 00:18:31,961 but that's the only time I've been. 400 00:18:32,161 --> 00:18:33,201 - Nicholas won a scholarship 401 00:18:33,401 --> 00:18:35,001 to a Yorkshire boarding school. 402 00:18:35,201 --> 00:18:36,921 - In this village, there's me, 403 00:18:37,121 --> 00:18:41,681 and then the next oldest is Andrew there, that's it. 404 00:18:41,881 --> 00:18:45,161 I'm not unhappy, living on the farm, 405 00:18:45,361 --> 00:18:49,321 and going to this school and boarding there. 406 00:18:49,521 --> 00:18:51,961 It's all right, I think it would be better 407 00:18:52,161 --> 00:18:52,921 than living on the farm all the time. 408 00:18:53,121 --> 00:18:57,381 I don't like to live at the school all the time either. 409 00:18:57,601 --> 00:18:59,081 - Do you want to take up farming? 410 00:18:59,281 --> 00:19:04,381 - No, I'm not interested in it. 411 00:19:04,721 --> 00:19:07,201 I mean, I'm not, and I said I was interested 412 00:19:07,401 --> 00:19:09,721 in physics and chemistry, well I'm not gonna do that here. 413 00:19:09,921 --> 00:19:13,481 When I grow up, I'd like to find out 414 00:19:13,681 --> 00:19:15,841 all about the moon and all that. 415 00:19:16,041 --> 00:19:17,521 - Did your father want to be a farmer? 416 00:19:17,721 --> 00:19:19,281 - I don't think he really wanted to be, 417 00:19:19,481 --> 00:19:22,901 but he got stuck with it 418 00:19:23,921 --> 00:19:28,441 because my grandfather, he certainly probably 419 00:19:28,641 --> 00:19:29,921 wanted him to be a farmer, 420 00:19:30,121 --> 00:19:35,341 but I don't think my father wants me to be a farmer. 421 00:19:39,201 --> 00:19:40,441 My youngest brother, the deaf one, 422 00:19:40,641 --> 00:19:41,361 if he can't do anything else, 423 00:19:41,561 --> 00:19:46,221 he can probably run a farm if he can't, that's it, 424 00:19:46,681 --> 00:19:50,181 but as a last resort. 425 00:19:50,401 --> 00:19:53,641 - Not 'til this holidays have I been out of Europe. 426 00:19:53,841 --> 00:19:55,121 This holidays, I went to America 427 00:19:55,321 --> 00:19:56,441 to stay with somebody from school. 428 00:19:56,641 --> 00:19:58,121 - Have you been abroad? 429 00:19:58,321 --> 00:19:59,161 - Austria. 430 00:20:00,881 --> 00:20:02,481 - What was it like? 431 00:20:02,481 --> 00:20:03,321 - Not bad. 432 00:20:05,081 --> 00:20:06,721 - Would you like to travel? 433 00:20:06,921 --> 00:20:08,561 - Nope. 434 00:20:08,561 --> 00:20:10,281 - Well, I ski in Switzerland, 435 00:20:10,481 --> 00:20:12,081 and I enjoy that immensely, 436 00:20:12,281 --> 00:20:14,481 and we went to France this time, 437 00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:17,001 and I've lived in Rhodesia. 438 00:20:17,201 --> 00:20:20,561 - I enjoyed Switzerland the most I think. 439 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:22,281 I think its a very beautiful country. 440 00:20:22,481 --> 00:20:25,441 We went to very interesting places. 441 00:20:25,641 --> 00:20:29,401 I also enjoyed Austria, but not to such a great extent. 442 00:20:29,601 --> 00:20:31,161 - Well, I've never been abroad, but-- 443 00:20:31,361 --> 00:20:32,161 - No, neither have I. 444 00:20:32,361 --> 00:20:33,681 - I have. 445 00:20:33,681 --> 00:20:35,561 - Oh, yeah, because you went on that cruise thingy. 446 00:20:35,761 --> 00:20:41,501 - Yeah, went to Spain and Gibraltar and Casablanca. 447 00:20:43,801 --> 00:20:45,161 - Yeah, that's it. 448 00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:46,961 - Yeah, that was interesting that. 449 00:20:47,161 --> 00:20:49,801 - Travel doesn't really interest me much, 450 00:20:50,001 --> 00:20:51,441 happy where I am. 451 00:20:51,441 --> 00:20:52,921 - I've been to so many places. 452 00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:58,401 Sicily, Italy, France and Spain and Switzerland, 453 00:20:58,601 --> 00:20:59,481 many times. 454 00:20:59,481 --> 00:21:01,961 - Have you travelled much? 455 00:21:02,161 --> 00:21:04,161 - When I was at the school, 456 00:21:04,361 --> 00:21:07,321 we used to have outings, 457 00:21:07,521 --> 00:21:12,081 used to go to Box Hill, places as such, 458 00:21:12,281 --> 00:21:14,361 and we used to go to mystery tours, 459 00:21:14,561 --> 00:21:18,821 and drive around the country, 460 00:21:20,161 --> 00:21:23,961 and we went to history museums for outings, 461 00:21:24,161 --> 00:21:26,361 and geographical museums, 462 00:21:26,561 --> 00:21:31,201 and science museum. 463 00:21:33,281 --> 00:21:36,821 I've been to Madame Tussaud's with my mum, 464 00:21:37,201 --> 00:21:41,081 and the planetarium. 465 00:21:44,601 --> 00:21:47,821 - Do you want to go abroad? 466 00:21:50,561 --> 00:21:54,981 - Yeah, I'd like to go to Mallorca, 467 00:21:55,241 --> 00:21:59,161 take a couple of weeks out there from everything. 468 00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:01,321 Relax meself. 469 00:22:01,321 --> 00:22:05,201 - No, but I said that when boys go round with girls 470 00:22:05,401 --> 00:22:07,721 they don't pay attention to what they're doing, 471 00:22:07,921 --> 00:22:10,161 and since my grandmother has an accident 472 00:22:10,361 --> 00:22:12,481 because a boyfriend was kissing 473 00:22:12,681 --> 00:22:15,081 his girlfriend in the street. 474 00:22:15,281 --> 00:22:19,801 - The girls never do what the boys want them. 475 00:22:20,001 --> 00:22:22,521 They always start playing with dolls 476 00:22:22,721 --> 00:22:26,121 when the boys want to play rough and tumble with them. 477 00:22:26,321 --> 00:22:27,321 - It's quite true. 478 00:22:27,321 --> 00:22:31,521 - Beginning to become a bit more important, yeah. 479 00:22:31,721 --> 00:22:33,001 - In what way? 480 00:22:34,161 --> 00:22:37,661 - Well, they're no longer just bores 481 00:22:37,921 --> 00:22:39,721 who won't play this or something. 482 00:22:39,921 --> 00:22:43,521 - They're over half of the community and they're there. 483 00:22:43,721 --> 00:22:46,281 - You can begin to talk to them. 484 00:22:46,481 --> 00:22:49,121 - I think they're still bores for the most part. 485 00:22:49,321 --> 00:22:50,281 - When I get married, 486 00:22:50,481 --> 00:22:52,841 I'd like to have two children. 487 00:22:53,041 --> 00:22:53,801 - Would you like to have a nanny 488 00:22:54,001 --> 00:22:57,861 to look after them or do you want to look after them? 489 00:23:01,401 --> 00:23:03,561 - No, I want a nanny to look after them. 490 00:23:03,761 --> 00:23:06,621 - Have you got any boyfriend, Susan? 491 00:23:11,081 --> 00:23:14,961 - Well, my girlfriend is in Africa, 492 00:23:15,161 --> 00:23:18,041 and I don't think I'll have another 493 00:23:18,241 --> 00:23:19,721 chance of seeing her again. 494 00:23:19,921 --> 00:23:21,681 And there were two in Switzerland, 495 00:23:21,881 --> 00:23:24,321 which I liked at the hotel. 496 00:23:24,521 --> 00:23:26,041 - Have you got a girlfriend? 497 00:23:26,241 --> 00:23:28,481 - No, no not yet. 498 00:23:28,481 --> 00:23:32,041 I'm sure it will come, but not yet. 499 00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:34,601 - Say you had a wife. 500 00:23:34,801 --> 00:23:38,301 Say you had to eat what they cooked you, 501 00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:42,421 and say, I don't like greens, well, I don't. 502 00:23:44,721 --> 00:23:49,801 And say, she said, "You have to eat what you give." 503 00:23:50,001 --> 00:23:54,041 So I don't like greens, so she gives me greens. 504 00:23:54,241 --> 00:23:55,081 And that's it. 505 00:23:57,321 --> 00:24:00,401 No, I'd prefer to be alone, really. 506 00:24:00,601 --> 00:24:02,481 I wouldn't mind living with my brother, you know, 507 00:24:02,681 --> 00:24:06,121 but otherwise, I'd prefer to live alone. 508 00:24:06,321 --> 00:24:07,961 - Sometimes on Saturday, well I mean, 509 00:24:08,161 --> 00:24:11,161 I go to the pictures, sometimes with my friends, 510 00:24:11,361 --> 00:24:13,801 sometimes with him. 511 00:24:13,801 --> 00:24:14,961 - You don't. 512 00:24:14,961 --> 00:24:16,361 - I do. 513 00:24:16,361 --> 00:24:17,361 - She don't. 514 00:24:18,321 --> 00:24:21,541 I don't ever see you. 515 00:24:22,521 --> 00:24:25,841 You go to a different pictures. 516 00:24:26,041 --> 00:24:26,721 - Have you got a girlfriend? 517 00:24:26,921 --> 00:24:28,401 - Nope. 518 00:24:28,401 --> 00:24:30,361 - Would you like to have a girlfriend? 519 00:24:30,561 --> 00:24:31,401 - Nope. 520 00:24:33,161 --> 00:24:34,201 - I thought that one would come up 521 00:24:34,401 --> 00:24:37,961 because when I was on the other one, 522 00:24:38,161 --> 00:24:40,321 and somebody said, "What do you think about girls?" 523 00:24:40,521 --> 00:24:42,481 And I said, "I don't answer questions like that." 524 00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:44,361 Is that the reason you're asking me? 525 00:24:44,561 --> 00:24:46,281 - Yeah. 526 00:24:50,561 --> 00:24:54,981 - Well, what do you want me to say? 527 00:24:59,001 --> 00:25:00,281 I don't know what to say. 528 00:25:00,481 --> 00:25:06,461 - Once Caroline Tetford said she loved me. 529 00:25:06,841 --> 00:25:07,441 - What happened then? 530 00:25:07,641 --> 00:25:11,441 - And I'm gonna marry her when I grow up. 531 00:25:11,641 --> 00:25:13,641 - Oh, I hate her, she's always getting bad-tempered 532 00:25:13,841 --> 00:25:14,881 and cross with me. 533 00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:16,521 - Is she? 534 00:25:16,521 --> 00:25:18,881 - Yes, she says, "Neil Hughes, move your desk forward." 535 00:25:19,081 --> 00:25:20,801 Perhaps we're not mature enough yet 536 00:25:21,001 --> 00:25:21,841 to be interested. 537 00:25:23,001 --> 00:25:26,721 - See, he loves Susan because Susan loves him. 538 00:25:26,921 --> 00:25:28,881 He loves him, so Lindsay loves him. 539 00:25:29,081 --> 00:25:29,921 - I don't love-- 540 00:25:29,921 --> 00:25:32,581 - Have you got any boyfriends? 541 00:25:36,281 --> 00:25:40,021 - That's personal isn't it? 542 00:25:41,241 --> 00:25:42,801 - I don't like the way you come out with that. 543 00:25:43,001 --> 00:25:46,101 - We shan't tell you, we shan't. 544 00:25:47,441 --> 00:25:51,501 - What do you think about making this programme? 545 00:25:54,281 --> 00:25:55,361 - I just think it's just ridiculous. 546 00:25:55,561 --> 00:25:57,641 I don't see any fun in doing it. 547 00:25:57,841 --> 00:25:58,961 - Why not? 548 00:26:00,281 --> 00:26:02,081 - What's the point of people going 549 00:26:02,281 --> 00:26:04,721 into people's lives and saying why do you like this 550 00:26:04,921 --> 00:26:05,961 and why don't you? 551 00:26:05,961 --> 00:26:07,681 I just don't see any point in it. 552 00:26:07,881 --> 00:26:10,801 - What's the point of the programme? 553 00:26:11,001 --> 00:26:13,401 - Is the point of the programme is to reach a comparison? 554 00:26:13,601 --> 00:26:14,641 I don't think it is. 555 00:26:15,961 --> 00:26:18,001 Because we're not necessarily typical examples. 556 00:26:18,201 --> 00:26:19,521 - And I think that's what people seeing 557 00:26:19,721 --> 00:26:20,641 the programme might think. 558 00:26:20,841 --> 00:26:22,281 - Yes. 559 00:26:22,281 --> 00:26:23,161 - Falsely. 560 00:26:23,161 --> 00:26:26,961 - I mean, they'll tend to typecast us. 561 00:26:27,161 --> 00:26:29,681 - So everything we say, they'll think, 562 00:26:29,881 --> 00:26:33,641 "Oh, that's a typical result of a public school system." 563 00:26:33,841 --> 00:26:36,201 - Well, in what way aren't you typical? 564 00:26:36,401 --> 00:26:40,901 - Well, I'm a bit more reactionary than most. 565 00:26:43,161 --> 00:26:44,601 - I don't know, none of the parties 566 00:26:44,801 --> 00:26:47,201 really seem agree with me, 567 00:26:47,401 --> 00:26:48,441 but I think if I had voted, 568 00:26:48,641 --> 00:26:50,601 I'd have voted Labour. 569 00:26:50,801 --> 00:26:52,761 - I'd have voted Conservative. 570 00:26:52,961 --> 00:26:54,641 - I don't think I would have voted for any of them. 571 00:26:54,841 --> 00:26:56,601 - Conservatives. 572 00:26:56,601 --> 00:26:59,601 - The Conservatives will do the best for the country. 573 00:26:59,801 --> 00:27:02,361 - I think they're all as bad as each other really. 574 00:27:02,561 --> 00:27:03,481 - Labour. 575 00:27:07,361 --> 00:27:08,801 - I don't really know. 576 00:27:09,001 --> 00:27:11,441 - I know what I wouldn't vote. 577 00:27:11,641 --> 00:27:12,721 - What way? 578 00:27:12,721 --> 00:27:13,561 - Labour. 579 00:27:13,561 --> 00:27:14,881 - Conservative. 580 00:27:14,881 --> 00:27:15,881 - Why? 581 00:27:15,881 --> 00:27:16,721 - Why? 582 00:27:18,841 --> 00:27:21,401 I honestly don't know, I don't know 583 00:27:21,601 --> 00:27:23,481 because I don't really know much about politics. 584 00:27:23,681 --> 00:27:27,881 It doesn't interest me, so I never really bother. 585 00:27:28,081 --> 00:27:29,521 - I didn't agree with the Conservatives 586 00:27:29,721 --> 00:27:32,121 about what they were doing with the black people. 587 00:27:32,321 --> 00:27:35,401 You know, racial politics. 588 00:27:35,601 --> 00:27:38,041 - What do you think about coloured people? 589 00:27:38,241 --> 00:27:41,721 You said to me once that you like them, 590 00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:44,201 but what do you really think about them? 591 00:27:44,401 --> 00:27:48,601 - Well, they're nice, they're just the same as us really, 592 00:27:48,801 --> 00:27:53,201 but one thing that it's only because their skin's brown 593 00:27:53,401 --> 00:27:56,761 and we're white, sort of pinkish we are. 594 00:27:56,961 --> 00:28:00,921 - Do you think of a purple person with red eyes, 595 00:28:01,121 --> 00:28:02,241 yellow feet? 596 00:28:02,241 --> 00:28:06,761 I can't really think of what they really look like. 597 00:28:06,961 --> 00:28:08,801 - They're just the same as me, aren't they? 598 00:28:09,001 --> 00:28:12,941 - I don't know anybody who's coloured. 599 00:28:13,921 --> 00:28:16,241 And I don't want to know anybody who's coloured, 600 00:28:16,441 --> 00:28:18,201 thank you very much. 601 00:28:18,201 --> 00:28:19,841 I haven't got anything against coloured people, 602 00:28:20,041 --> 00:28:22,521 but it wouldn't worry me if I never met one 603 00:28:22,721 --> 00:28:25,001 until the day I died. 604 00:28:25,201 --> 00:28:29,521 - Everybody's gotta get used to knowing coloured people, 605 00:28:29,721 --> 00:28:31,321 and coloured people in turn have got 606 00:28:31,521 --> 00:28:35,361 to get used to being with white people 607 00:28:35,561 --> 00:28:38,721 because if either side doesn't work properly 608 00:28:38,921 --> 00:28:41,981 then no side will work properly. 609 00:28:44,121 --> 00:28:47,561 People just got to mix in with everybody else. 610 00:28:47,761 --> 00:28:52,561 - I don't think it's wrong that in a country 611 00:28:52,761 --> 00:28:57,201 like England that there should be places 612 00:28:57,401 --> 00:29:01,441 where there are more coloured people 613 00:29:01,641 --> 00:29:03,801 than the white people. 614 00:29:04,001 --> 00:29:05,161 - Good old Enoch. 615 00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:08,081 - Well, personally, I've got nothing against coloured people. 616 00:29:08,281 --> 00:29:09,801 I think they're the same as everybody else, 617 00:29:10,001 --> 00:29:13,801 but it seems that there's lots of arguments 618 00:29:14,001 --> 00:29:16,001 about them because as any foreigners really 619 00:29:16,201 --> 00:29:18,081 they're taking people's jobs in England. 620 00:29:18,281 --> 00:29:21,321 - I don't care what colour somebody is, 621 00:29:21,521 --> 00:29:23,321 unless they're blue, 622 00:29:23,321 --> 00:29:25,001 and I think that would be pretty peculiar, 623 00:29:25,201 --> 00:29:28,361 but we might find somebody yet. 624 00:29:28,561 --> 00:29:30,721 No, I don't care about colour. 625 00:29:30,921 --> 00:29:34,901 - Well, I think both black and whites are equal 626 00:29:35,921 --> 00:29:39,281 as long as they're as well-educated as each other. 627 00:29:39,481 --> 00:29:40,281 - What do you feel 628 00:29:40,281 --> 00:29:41,521 about racial discrimination? 629 00:29:41,721 --> 00:29:43,321 - It's rather vile. 630 00:29:43,321 --> 00:29:44,361 - Why? 631 00:29:47,441 --> 00:29:50,821 - Because so is any kind of discrimination. 632 00:29:52,361 --> 00:29:54,321 Of a basic nature that you can't change. 633 00:29:54,521 --> 00:29:56,041 I mean if you're, I couldn't care less 634 00:29:56,241 --> 00:29:58,121 whether people are discriminated against 635 00:29:58,321 --> 00:30:04,481 because they're nasty or selfish or anything, 636 00:30:04,681 --> 00:30:08,921 but I mean, one can't help one's colour, so. 637 00:30:09,121 --> 00:30:10,721 - Now you're interested in politics. 638 00:30:10,921 --> 00:30:12,881 You'd like to be a politician. 639 00:30:13,081 --> 00:30:15,961 What kind of things would you change? 640 00:30:16,161 --> 00:30:19,181 - I wouldn't allow any strikes. 641 00:30:20,081 --> 00:30:21,721 - How would you do that? 642 00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:24,881 - I'd set up a tribunal where people, workers, 643 00:30:25,081 --> 00:30:28,601 could apply for better wages, 644 00:30:28,801 --> 00:30:31,961 and this tribunal would have the final word, 645 00:30:32,161 --> 00:30:36,521 and if said no wage rise, no wage rise. 646 00:30:36,721 --> 00:30:39,601 - It's a big problem, there's lots of discussion I've heard. 647 00:30:39,801 --> 00:30:41,801 The workers do tend to take a few liberties 648 00:30:42,001 --> 00:30:44,201 as regards to strikes. 649 00:30:44,401 --> 00:30:45,761 - Who do you think is to blame for strikes, 650 00:30:45,961 --> 00:30:47,561 the workers or the management? 651 00:30:47,761 --> 00:30:50,161 - Well, that's management probably because-- 652 00:30:50,361 --> 00:30:51,641 - Say the workers 653 00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:53,281 because we'll probably get loads of letters 654 00:30:53,481 --> 00:30:54,401 saying we'll be having none of that. 655 00:30:54,601 --> 00:30:55,761 - It seems to be iniquitous 656 00:30:55,961 --> 00:30:59,481 that people should be paid when they're not doing any work, 657 00:30:59,681 --> 00:31:01,401 which is what the unions do to you. 658 00:31:01,601 --> 00:31:03,761 - I'm not commenting because Mum's been out the strike. 659 00:31:03,961 --> 00:31:05,401 - Yeah, so has mine. 660 00:31:06,201 --> 00:31:07,121 - It's very irresponsible 661 00:31:07,321 --> 00:31:08,241 because we all want more money, 662 00:31:08,441 --> 00:31:10,201 as much money as we can get, 663 00:31:10,401 --> 00:31:12,721 and what would happen if we all stopped working 664 00:31:12,921 --> 00:31:14,641 just because we wanted more money. 665 00:31:14,841 --> 00:31:15,681 - If they want the money, 666 00:31:15,881 --> 00:31:17,521 why shouldn't they strike for it? 667 00:31:17,721 --> 00:31:18,601 If you wanted a raise, 668 00:31:18,801 --> 00:31:20,401 you would strike. - Yeah, that's why they-- 669 00:31:20,601 --> 00:31:21,881 - But they're gonna strike for it, right, 670 00:31:22,081 --> 00:31:22,801 and they're gonna get more money. 671 00:31:23,001 --> 00:31:24,321 Now the school meals are going up, 672 00:31:24,521 --> 00:31:26,121 so that means they're gonna strike again. 673 00:31:26,321 --> 00:31:27,121 They want more money, 674 00:31:27,321 --> 00:31:28,681 and it's just gonna keep going and going and going. 675 00:31:28,881 --> 00:31:32,041 - Surely by crushing strikes, 676 00:31:32,241 --> 00:31:35,801 then in a way that's defeating a small part of democracy. 677 00:31:36,001 --> 00:31:40,061 - No, it's not because they'd still have their, 678 00:31:41,041 --> 00:31:42,481 they'd still be able to ask for more money, 679 00:31:42,681 --> 00:31:44,081 but they wouldn't be able to strike for it, 680 00:31:44,281 --> 00:31:45,601 which I mean-- 681 00:31:45,601 --> 00:31:46,641 - Yes, but they'd-- 682 00:31:46,641 --> 00:31:47,441 - They're so damaging. 683 00:31:47,641 --> 00:31:49,041 - That's still depriving them of their freedom to strike. 684 00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:50,801 - Well, so is putting people in prison 685 00:31:51,001 --> 00:31:53,801 and depriving them of their freedom to go on 686 00:31:54,001 --> 00:31:55,841 killing people and stealing from people. 687 00:31:56,041 --> 00:31:57,121 - Anyway, who's going to do this 688 00:31:57,321 --> 00:31:58,801 because if they do it, 689 00:31:59,001 --> 00:32:01,881 they're not going to be voted into Parliament. 690 00:32:02,081 --> 00:32:03,601 So it's not worth-- 691 00:32:03,601 --> 00:32:08,501 - You can always decide on your policy once you're in. 692 00:32:16,801 --> 00:32:18,401 - What do they think about each other? 693 00:32:18,601 --> 00:32:20,801 And how would they act together? 694 00:32:21,001 --> 00:32:23,801 To find out, we invited them all to one big party 695 00:32:24,001 --> 00:32:24,801 and joined in. 696 00:32:26,281 --> 00:32:28,361 ♪ If I say that I love you ♪ 697 00:32:28,561 --> 00:32:30,761 ♪ And you know it's true ♪ 698 00:32:30,961 --> 00:32:33,281 ♪ If you said that you loved me ♪ 699 00:32:33,481 --> 00:32:37,161 ♪ What would I do ♪ 700 00:32:37,361 --> 00:32:41,281 ♪ I'd let you back if you let me ♪ 701 00:32:41,481 --> 00:32:45,741 ♪ I'd choose the madness ♪ 702 00:32:49,401 --> 00:32:52,921 - Yes, but they were a bit too tough for my liking. 703 00:32:53,121 --> 00:32:54,161 They hit me right in the back, 704 00:32:54,361 --> 00:32:56,881 and I've still got a pain there. 705 00:32:57,081 --> 00:33:01,321 - The pushing, oh yes, oh yes, oh yes. 706 00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:06,281 They're nuts, just have to touch them. 707 00:33:06,481 --> 00:33:10,881 - Well, I thought some of them were rather dirty. 708 00:33:11,081 --> 00:33:11,721 - What do you think about them? 709 00:33:11,921 --> 00:33:15,001 - I played with them quite naturally. 710 00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:17,281 I think they were rather nice really. 711 00:33:17,481 --> 00:33:20,401 - What do you think about rich people? 712 00:33:20,601 --> 00:33:23,481 - Well, not much. 713 00:33:24,401 --> 00:33:25,641 - Tell me about them. 714 00:33:25,841 --> 00:33:27,281 - Well, they think they can do everything 715 00:33:27,481 --> 00:33:29,441 without you doing it as well, 716 00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:31,281 and they think just because they're rich 717 00:33:31,481 --> 00:33:35,081 and they have to have people do, 718 00:33:35,281 --> 00:33:37,721 like they have to do all their work and stuff. 719 00:33:37,921 --> 00:33:39,721 - What would you do if you had lots of money, 720 00:33:39,921 --> 00:33:42,161 maybe two pounds. 721 00:33:42,161 --> 00:33:45,161 - Me, I would help the poor. 722 00:33:45,361 --> 00:33:48,921 - Yeah, 'cause the poor except you don't help them, 723 00:33:49,121 --> 00:33:51,321 they'll sort of die, so wouldn't they? 724 00:33:51,521 --> 00:33:54,841 And every time we have a harvest festival, 725 00:33:55,041 --> 00:33:58,121 we send 'em food so once these two. 726 00:33:58,321 --> 00:34:01,601 No, Janet, Susan and Janet went round 727 00:34:01,801 --> 00:34:04,001 giving a handout with Mr. Floyd. 728 00:34:04,201 --> 00:34:05,921 - I don't think much of the accents. 729 00:34:06,121 --> 00:34:08,361 - Neither do I. 730 00:34:09,561 --> 00:34:10,801 - But it doesn't prevent me liking them. 731 00:34:11,001 --> 00:34:13,801 Yes, and rich children always make fun 732 00:34:14,001 --> 00:34:16,001 of poor children, I say. 733 00:34:16,201 --> 00:34:17,041 - Yes, they say, 734 00:34:17,041 --> 00:34:19,801 "Oh, look at that lovely little sissy over there." 735 00:34:20,001 --> 00:34:23,861 - Yes, and they throw things at them. 736 00:34:24,161 --> 00:34:27,981 The poor child gets scared to death. 737 00:34:31,081 --> 00:34:32,641 - Do you meet here 738 00:34:32,641 --> 00:34:36,161 many boys from very different social backgrounds? 739 00:34:36,361 --> 00:34:37,681 - Not really. 740 00:34:37,681 --> 00:34:41,321 - Do you find that a lack in your life? 741 00:34:41,521 --> 00:34:42,521 - No. 742 00:34:43,601 --> 00:34:44,441 - Why? 743 00:34:46,441 --> 00:34:48,601 - I don't feel any lack anywhere. 744 00:34:48,801 --> 00:34:49,521 - Do you not feel you should be meeting 745 00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:54,401 a broader sort of person from different backgrounds? 746 00:34:54,601 --> 00:34:57,721 - Not really. 747 00:34:57,721 --> 00:34:59,561 - You don't think you're missing? 748 00:34:59,761 --> 00:35:00,601 - No. 749 00:35:02,201 --> 00:35:03,721 I mean, there are people from so many, 750 00:35:03,921 --> 00:35:04,961 I don't see what backgrounds got to do 751 00:35:05,161 --> 00:35:06,961 with the people from so many, 752 00:35:07,161 --> 00:35:10,601 I think it's interest that makes it worth 753 00:35:10,801 --> 00:35:14,841 other people with so many varied interests in this school 754 00:35:15,041 --> 00:35:18,141 that I can't imagine having any more. 755 00:35:19,201 --> 00:35:21,601 I don't really see where background enters in. 756 00:35:21,801 --> 00:35:24,121 - If everybody had the same as everybody else, 757 00:35:24,321 --> 00:35:27,501 nobody would be missing anything. 758 00:35:28,081 --> 00:35:32,041 People, rich people, they have all different things, 759 00:35:32,241 --> 00:35:33,201 have everything they want 760 00:35:33,401 --> 00:35:35,721 whereas poor people, they don't have nothing, 761 00:35:35,921 --> 00:35:39,001 and they know they haven't got nothing, 762 00:35:39,201 --> 00:35:42,821 and so they know they're missing something. 763 00:35:43,161 --> 00:35:45,841 - What are you missing? 764 00:35:46,041 --> 00:35:52,601 - I'm missing a bike and a fishing rod. 765 00:35:52,801 --> 00:35:56,921 - Yeah, well, they can get what they want, can't they? 766 00:35:57,121 --> 00:35:59,281 If you've got to work for it, if it's them, 767 00:35:59,481 --> 00:36:02,121 they can just ask for money and get it, 768 00:36:02,321 --> 00:36:03,521 and they can get whatever they want. 769 00:36:03,721 --> 00:36:06,561 - What effect does it have on them? 770 00:36:06,761 --> 00:36:09,361 - Spoilt, like it spoils them, doesn't it? 771 00:36:09,561 --> 00:36:11,681 - I think if you're going to accuse us, 772 00:36:11,881 --> 00:36:15,681 of public schools of producing snobs 773 00:36:15,881 --> 00:36:20,401 by mixing only a couple of classes, upper, middle, 774 00:36:20,601 --> 00:36:22,681 then comprehensive schools can be accused 775 00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:25,361 of producing prods because they only mix 776 00:36:25,561 --> 00:36:27,201 with lower and middle. 777 00:36:27,401 --> 00:36:29,201 - But it's like saying the public schools 778 00:36:29,401 --> 00:36:32,161 like Tom Brown's school days. 779 00:36:32,361 --> 00:36:35,361 We do mix with people from the town. 780 00:36:35,561 --> 00:36:37,081 - They can be all right. 781 00:36:37,281 --> 00:36:39,641 - Yeah, but I don't like people who are too posh. 782 00:36:39,841 --> 00:36:43,041 They look down on everybody else. 783 00:36:43,241 --> 00:36:44,441 - They think they're better. 784 00:36:44,641 --> 00:36:45,441 - Yeah. 785 00:36:45,441 --> 00:36:46,441 - I think people are much more conscious 786 00:36:46,641 --> 00:36:47,561 of wanting to become snobs 787 00:36:47,761 --> 00:36:51,961 because the differences that used to separate the classes 788 00:36:52,161 --> 00:36:54,981 have diminished greatly. 789 00:36:55,601 --> 00:36:57,081 I mean, when one was duke, one used 790 00:36:57,281 --> 00:37:00,081 to be set above everybody else, 791 00:37:00,281 --> 00:37:04,541 but now, look at the Duke of. 792 00:37:07,481 --> 00:37:10,041 - I think people are becoming less class conscious 793 00:37:10,241 --> 00:37:11,081 because I mean, 794 00:37:12,801 --> 00:37:13,961 with for instance hippies. 795 00:37:14,161 --> 00:37:15,641 You don't get the impression 796 00:37:15,841 --> 00:37:18,881 that one hippie says, "I'm the big guy 797 00:37:19,081 --> 00:37:22,481 "because I'm upper class and you sort of some petty person 798 00:37:22,681 --> 00:37:24,121 "because you're low class." 799 00:37:24,321 --> 00:37:27,441 - Yes, and anybody can become a hippie. 800 00:37:27,641 --> 00:37:30,681 - I think this is happening throughout the country. 801 00:37:30,881 --> 00:37:34,481 - They don't sort of enforce being upper class 802 00:37:34,681 --> 00:37:37,721 and things like that at St. Paul's. 803 00:37:37,921 --> 00:37:40,801 You know, they suggest that you don't have long hair, 804 00:37:41,001 --> 00:37:42,961 and they do get it cut, 805 00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:47,521 and they teach you to be reasonably well-mannered, 806 00:37:47,721 --> 00:37:50,801 but not to sniff on the poorer people. 807 00:37:51,001 --> 00:37:52,721 - Some people are good with money and give it 808 00:37:52,921 --> 00:37:55,721 to charities and that, but some of them 809 00:37:55,921 --> 00:37:58,081 just don't know what to do with their money, 810 00:37:58,281 --> 00:38:00,841 so they just spend it, waste it. 811 00:38:01,041 --> 00:38:02,481 People need it. 812 00:38:02,481 --> 00:38:06,021 - I think poverty for anybody. 813 00:38:12,441 --> 00:38:15,621 It kind of depresses me. 814 00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:19,881 - When I went to Glasgow and I saw the Gorbals, 815 00:38:20,081 --> 00:38:22,661 that rather upset me. 816 00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:25,121 - Why? 817 00:38:25,121 --> 00:38:28,281 - Well, to think that people are living in that state 818 00:38:28,481 --> 00:38:31,401 when we waste things everyday. 819 00:38:31,601 --> 00:38:34,081 - Well, some people are just born into rich families 820 00:38:34,281 --> 00:38:35,121 and they like it. 821 00:38:35,121 --> 00:38:36,961 - I don't see why they could have the luck 822 00:38:37,161 --> 00:38:38,281 when people worked all their lives 823 00:38:38,481 --> 00:38:40,761 and never got half as much as what they have. 824 00:38:40,961 --> 00:38:42,721 It just don't seem fair. 825 00:38:42,921 --> 00:38:43,761 - No. 826 00:38:45,161 --> 00:38:48,841 - I usually get about five to six bob a week. 827 00:38:49,041 --> 00:38:50,321 - And what do you do with it? 828 00:38:50,521 --> 00:38:52,481 - I save some, spend some. 829 00:38:52,681 --> 00:38:55,121 - Well, I get a pound a week, 830 00:38:55,321 --> 00:38:58,281 and usually during the middle of the week, 831 00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:00,881 my mum takes 10 bob back, 832 00:39:01,081 --> 00:39:05,001 and I save the other 10 bob as much as possible. 833 00:39:05,201 --> 00:39:07,121 - Well, out of my permanent jobs, 834 00:39:07,321 --> 00:39:09,041 I'm getting four dollars, 40. 835 00:39:09,241 --> 00:39:11,321 - Eight shillings a week. 836 00:39:11,521 --> 00:39:14,121 - What do you spend it on? 837 00:39:14,321 --> 00:39:16,881 - Well, I need to spend very little at school, 838 00:39:17,081 --> 00:39:21,121 and I collect stamps, so I spend 839 00:39:21,321 --> 00:39:22,761 quite a lot of that on that. 840 00:39:22,961 --> 00:39:25,361 - My dad gives me about two pound a week, 841 00:39:25,561 --> 00:39:29,641 and my mum gives me about 30 bob, 842 00:39:29,841 --> 00:39:31,721 and my brothers give me some, 843 00:39:31,921 --> 00:39:37,621 and Mr. Gosling gives me four pound pocket money every week. 844 00:39:42,641 --> 00:39:43,561 - I don't particularly want to be rich, 845 00:39:43,761 --> 00:39:47,021 but I'd like to have enough money. 846 00:39:47,881 --> 00:39:50,601 - What do you mean by enough? 847 00:39:50,801 --> 00:39:52,961 - Enough to have a nice house, 848 00:39:53,161 --> 00:39:55,361 and be able to send the children 849 00:39:55,561 --> 00:39:58,041 to a private school if we want to. 850 00:39:58,241 --> 00:40:01,721 - I mean almost everybody likes money 851 00:40:01,921 --> 00:40:04,321 not for the fact that it, 852 00:40:04,521 --> 00:40:05,321 well, I don't like looking at money. 853 00:40:05,521 --> 00:40:07,201 It doesn't give me any pleasure like that, 854 00:40:07,401 --> 00:40:10,681 but I certainly don't want to be poor, 855 00:40:10,881 --> 00:40:12,161 live in a slum, 856 00:40:16,361 --> 00:40:19,761 but I don't, I mean, a person with one million pounds 857 00:40:19,961 --> 00:40:22,361 is not gonna be more unhappy 858 00:40:22,561 --> 00:40:24,121 than a person with two million pounds. 859 00:40:24,321 --> 00:40:26,521 - Money's not everything. 860 00:40:26,721 --> 00:40:29,241 - I mean, it does mean a lot to us now 861 00:40:29,441 --> 00:40:32,001 with cars and new fashions and everything, doesn't it? 862 00:40:32,201 --> 00:40:36,361 Midis and that, you need money because-- 863 00:40:36,561 --> 00:40:38,241 - What's midis? 864 00:40:38,241 --> 00:40:40,161 They're clothes, yeah, you need clothes, 865 00:40:40,361 --> 00:40:43,561 but money can't buy happiness. 866 00:40:43,761 --> 00:40:47,141 - Oh, no, you could work for that yourself. 867 00:40:47,561 --> 00:40:49,601 - Do you want to be rich? 868 00:40:49,801 --> 00:40:52,881 - I don't mind I'd like to stay where I am. 869 00:40:53,081 --> 00:40:53,881 I don't want to be too rich 870 00:40:54,081 --> 00:40:58,081 I don't want to be poor, poverty. 871 00:40:58,281 --> 00:40:59,241 - What about you, Jackie? 872 00:40:59,441 --> 00:41:01,281 - Just live comfortable. 873 00:41:01,481 --> 00:41:04,121 - Just to have what you want, really, no extras. 874 00:41:04,321 --> 00:41:07,041 - Just as long as you've got all you need. 875 00:41:07,241 --> 00:41:09,281 - Do you want to be rich? 876 00:41:09,481 --> 00:41:11,081 - I wouldn't mind. 877 00:41:11,081 --> 00:41:14,261 - Do you want to be rich? 878 00:41:16,081 --> 00:41:18,961 - Yes, because I don't want to be tied down 879 00:41:19,161 --> 00:41:21,521 to the dullness of an everyday job, 880 00:41:21,721 --> 00:41:23,241 I want to be able to have enough money 881 00:41:23,441 --> 00:41:28,081 so I can indulge in the things that might interest me, 882 00:41:28,281 --> 00:41:30,921 like collecting paintings. 883 00:41:31,121 --> 00:41:33,641 - No, because if you're rich, 884 00:41:33,841 --> 00:41:36,161 you get bored of being rich, 885 00:41:36,361 --> 00:41:40,301 same if you're poor, you get bored of being poor. 886 00:41:41,401 --> 00:41:44,001 You can't have too much of a good thing. 887 00:41:44,201 --> 00:41:46,361 - I think if you're healthy and have good friends, 888 00:41:46,561 --> 00:41:47,961 you can get on perfectly well. 889 00:41:48,161 --> 00:41:49,081 Everybody would like to be rich. 890 00:41:49,281 --> 00:41:51,281 - Mainly, to be self-sufficient, 891 00:41:51,481 --> 00:41:56,241 to feel that you don't have to owe anything to anybody. 892 00:41:56,441 --> 00:42:01,021 - I'd help people if I had the chance. 893 00:42:01,801 --> 00:42:04,961 You know by say giving a little bit of money to charity 894 00:42:05,161 --> 00:42:08,921 or sponsoring things or things like that. 895 00:42:09,121 --> 00:42:11,961 - I think it's wrong that one should drive oneself 896 00:42:12,161 --> 00:42:16,661 to make a lot of money because in the end, 897 00:42:17,121 --> 00:42:20,701 you might have caused so many people, 898 00:42:21,601 --> 00:42:24,321 might have ruined so many people 899 00:42:24,521 --> 00:42:25,801 that you would be unhappy. 900 00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:28,801 What's the use of a lot of money if you're unhappy? 901 00:42:29,001 --> 00:42:29,961 - You have to have it to live, 902 00:42:30,161 --> 00:42:34,281 and there are problems that you have to face, 903 00:42:34,481 --> 00:42:35,761 and everything's concrete, 904 00:42:35,961 --> 00:42:37,961 and it doesn't seem to be possible 905 00:42:38,161 --> 00:42:47,801 for anything to be invisible or sort of you can't see it. 906 00:42:48,001 --> 00:42:50,801 I mean, people, all the scientist have said, 907 00:42:51,001 --> 00:42:52,881 we've looked up into space, 908 00:42:53,081 --> 00:42:54,721 and we haven't seen God, so there isn't a God, 909 00:42:54,921 --> 00:42:58,041 and it just seems fatuous. 910 00:42:58,241 --> 00:42:58,881 - Do you believe in God? 911 00:42:59,081 --> 00:43:01,481 - I'm not sure whether I really believe in God or not. 912 00:43:01,681 --> 00:43:03,281 I think to myself is there a God? 913 00:43:03,481 --> 00:43:09,281 I don't know, so I don't know. 914 00:43:09,481 --> 00:43:11,201 - Yes, I'd say I believed in God. 915 00:43:11,401 --> 00:43:13,921 - Are you religious? 916 00:43:13,921 --> 00:43:16,041 - Well, I go to church with my parents on Sundays. 917 00:43:16,241 --> 00:43:18,281 - You've got to believe in something, 918 00:43:18,481 --> 00:43:22,561 so God seems to be the most logical I think. 919 00:43:22,761 --> 00:43:23,481 - I wouldn't say I'm deeply religious, 920 00:43:23,681 --> 00:43:25,641 but I do believe in God. 921 00:43:25,841 --> 00:43:27,241 - Why? 922 00:43:29,801 --> 00:43:31,921 - I mean, that's a difficult question to answer why. 923 00:43:32,121 --> 00:43:34,161 I mean, I just do. 924 00:43:34,161 --> 00:43:35,721 It's an either yes or no question. 925 00:43:35,921 --> 00:43:38,441 - Well, you're brought up to believe in him, and you do. 926 00:43:38,641 --> 00:43:42,481 - And you must have your own opinion on that as well. 927 00:43:42,681 --> 00:43:45,761 - But how do you know? 928 00:43:45,961 --> 00:43:48,601 I don't really know if I do or not. 929 00:43:48,801 --> 00:43:50,041 I don't really think about him much. 930 00:43:50,241 --> 00:43:53,841 - No, you don't have that much time to think about him. 931 00:43:54,041 --> 00:43:56,041 Not when there's so much activity 932 00:43:56,241 --> 00:43:59,041 taking place in school and after school. 933 00:43:59,241 --> 00:44:02,521 - That's the sort of thing I'd like to sit and think about 934 00:44:02,721 --> 00:44:06,181 or talk to someone about. 935 00:44:07,041 --> 00:44:11,241 - When I sit down and think, I think I believe in God, 936 00:44:11,441 --> 00:44:15,001 but if somebody just asked me, I'd say no. 937 00:44:15,201 --> 00:44:18,181 I suppose it's just to be big. 938 00:44:19,321 --> 00:44:22,541 - Why do you believe in God? 939 00:44:22,761 --> 00:44:26,761 - Well I believe in God because if somebody 940 00:44:26,961 --> 00:44:30,981 had to make the world, this world, 941 00:44:32,161 --> 00:44:34,961 then call him what everybody else calls me, 942 00:44:35,161 --> 00:44:36,001 which is God. 943 00:44:37,361 --> 00:44:41,041 - You can't really tell if there's a God or not, can you? 944 00:44:41,241 --> 00:44:44,481 You haven't seen him, then you can't say. 945 00:44:44,681 --> 00:44:45,801 - When you were seven, 946 00:44:46,001 --> 00:44:46,921 you wanted to be a missionary. 947 00:44:47,121 --> 00:44:48,041 Have you any thoughts on that? 948 00:44:48,241 --> 00:44:49,361 - No I don't want to be a missionary 949 00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:52,721 because I just can't talk about it to people. 950 00:44:52,921 --> 00:44:55,361 You know, I'm interested in it myself, 951 00:44:55,561 --> 00:44:59,201 but I wouldn't be very good at it at all, 952 00:44:59,401 --> 00:45:01,481 and I wouldn't enjoy it. 953 00:45:01,681 --> 00:45:04,801 - Why wouldn't you be good at it? 954 00:45:05,001 --> 00:45:08,481 - Well, I'm just not very good at anyway, 955 00:45:08,681 --> 00:45:11,521 standing up in front of people and making a speech 956 00:45:11,721 --> 00:45:12,361 or anything like that, 957 00:45:12,561 --> 00:45:15,961 but I'd like to keep it private, you know. 958 00:45:16,161 --> 00:45:20,721 Well, going to Africa and try and teach people 959 00:45:20,921 --> 00:45:26,801 who are not civilised to be more or less good. 960 00:45:27,001 --> 00:45:32,081 - And after that, Trinity Hall, Cambridge. 961 00:45:32,281 --> 00:45:34,561 - I'm going to work in Woolworth's. 962 00:45:34,761 --> 00:45:37,641 - I might go to Oxford. 963 00:45:37,841 --> 00:45:42,001 - Oh, I'd just walk around and see what I can find. 964 00:45:42,201 --> 00:45:45,721 - I'm gonna be, think I'm going to Cambridge 965 00:45:45,921 --> 00:45:47,521 and Trinity Hall. 966 00:45:47,521 --> 00:45:49,481 - Well, I don't I need to go to university 967 00:45:49,681 --> 00:45:51,041 because I'm not gonna be a teacher. 968 00:45:51,241 --> 00:45:53,281 - I don't think I want to go to university 969 00:45:53,481 --> 00:45:55,441 if you want to be an astronaut. 970 00:45:55,641 --> 00:45:58,121 - What does university mean? 971 00:45:58,321 --> 00:45:59,721 - Where? 972 00:46:00,641 --> 00:46:03,961 - When I grow up, I'd like to find out all 973 00:46:04,161 --> 00:46:06,601 about the moon and all that. 974 00:46:06,801 --> 00:46:08,201 - If I can't be an astronaut, 975 00:46:08,401 --> 00:46:10,401 I think I'll be a coach driver. 976 00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:12,321 This is probably linked up with the fact 977 00:46:12,521 --> 00:46:13,161 now that I think I want to travel. 978 00:46:13,361 --> 00:46:14,761 My thoughts haven't really changed, 979 00:46:14,961 --> 00:46:17,281 so I would definitely would like to be a coach driver now. 980 00:46:17,481 --> 00:46:18,641 - You wanted to be 981 00:46:18,641 --> 00:46:19,521 an astronaut when you were seven? 982 00:46:19,721 --> 00:46:20,561 - Yeah. 983 00:46:20,561 --> 00:46:21,201 - What feelings have you got 984 00:46:21,401 --> 00:46:22,881 on that subject? 985 00:46:22,881 --> 00:46:26,601 - Well, I've changed my mind completely of course. 986 00:46:26,801 --> 00:46:30,001 I mean, it was just the imagination 987 00:46:30,201 --> 00:46:31,641 a seven-year-old has. 988 00:46:31,841 --> 00:46:33,801 - I would buy meself a home, 989 00:46:34,001 --> 00:46:35,681 a new nice house, you know, 990 00:46:35,881 --> 00:46:38,441 but it's all nice and comfy. 991 00:46:38,641 --> 00:46:42,881 I'd like to be able to have a happy family. 992 00:46:43,081 --> 00:46:44,401 I mean, I know that's not possible to be happy 993 00:46:44,601 --> 00:46:48,881 all the time, but as much of the time that was possible. 994 00:46:49,081 --> 00:46:51,321 - Just be content with what I'm doing, 995 00:46:51,521 --> 00:46:53,161 and be happy with it, 996 00:46:53,361 --> 00:46:56,241 and to know where I'm going, 997 00:46:56,441 --> 00:46:59,241 and to remember finally what I've done. 998 00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:03,121 - I'm thinking of following a legal career 999 00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:06,521 with a view to ending in parliament. 1000 00:47:06,721 --> 00:47:10,761 - I'd like to do maybe shorthand typing 1001 00:47:10,961 --> 00:47:12,041 or something like that. 1002 00:47:12,241 --> 00:47:15,661 - Nothing too much, I just want to be 1003 00:47:17,681 --> 00:47:20,621 like anybody else, really, 1004 00:47:20,961 --> 00:47:24,121 just nothing too marvellous. 1005 00:47:24,321 --> 00:47:25,161 - What will you do 1006 00:47:25,161 --> 00:47:27,281 if you don't make it as a jockey? 1007 00:47:27,481 --> 00:47:30,321 - I don't know, if I knew I couldn't be one, 1008 00:47:30,521 --> 00:47:34,581 I'd get out, I wouldn't bother. 1009 00:47:35,081 --> 00:47:37,761 - And what do you think you would do then? 1010 00:47:37,961 --> 00:47:40,641 - Learn taxis, taxi driver. 1011 00:47:40,841 --> 00:47:41,681 - There is a danger 1012 00:47:41,681 --> 00:47:43,841 that you would get married at early twenties 1013 00:47:44,041 --> 00:47:47,801 and have children quickly and then be stuck at home. 1014 00:47:48,001 --> 00:47:51,021 Have you any thoughts on that? 1015 00:47:55,601 --> 00:47:58,121 - I don't really think of it much. 1016 00:47:58,321 --> 00:47:59,161 - No. 1017 00:47:59,161 --> 00:48:03,681 - I don't think I'd get married too early. 1018 00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:04,801 I'd like to have a full life first, 1019 00:48:05,001 --> 00:48:06,401 and meet people. - Perhaps enjoy myself 1020 00:48:06,601 --> 00:48:07,601 before I-- 1021 00:48:07,601 --> 00:48:11,361 - Yeah, fully commit to somebody. 1022 00:48:11,561 --> 00:48:12,921 - How do you think England will change 1023 00:48:13,121 --> 00:48:14,601 over the next few years? 1024 00:48:14,801 --> 00:48:15,641 - England? 1025 00:48:18,481 --> 00:48:23,541 Not very much, England is too English, sort of. 1026 00:48:24,121 --> 00:48:25,801 - Are you a traditionalist? 1027 00:48:26,001 --> 00:48:27,601 - Yes. 1028 00:48:27,601 --> 00:48:29,801 - In what way? 1029 00:48:29,801 --> 00:48:30,721 - I like tradition. 1030 00:48:32,921 --> 00:48:35,921 - Do you expect to live your life in England? 1031 00:48:36,121 --> 00:48:38,001 - I think it's just about the best place you 1032 00:48:38,201 --> 00:48:40,161 can live your life, in England. 1033 00:48:40,361 --> 00:48:42,001 - Why? 1034 00:48:43,161 --> 00:48:48,501 - I think the parliamentary system is agreeable, 1035 00:48:49,481 --> 00:48:50,281 to me at least, 1036 00:48:54,721 --> 00:48:59,661 and that's about it, why one's free in England, 1037 00:49:00,281 --> 00:49:02,721 and one has good opportunities for everything. 1038 00:49:02,921 --> 00:49:05,321 We've all got much more equal opportunities. 1039 00:49:05,521 --> 00:49:06,761 In those days, the people at the bottom 1040 00:49:06,961 --> 00:49:09,281 really had to work like blacks, 1041 00:49:09,481 --> 00:49:12,201 so that they could achieve something. 1042 00:49:12,401 --> 00:49:16,521 - But nowadays, to get kicks out of life, 1043 00:49:16,721 --> 00:49:18,201 you have to use synthetic means 1044 00:49:18,401 --> 00:49:20,281 whereas originally, earlier on, 1045 00:49:20,481 --> 00:49:23,881 about 40 years ago, these things came in life 1046 00:49:24,081 --> 00:49:30,201 whereas with all the modern world today, 1047 00:49:30,401 --> 00:49:32,601 lots of these things have been sort of stopped, 1048 00:49:32,801 --> 00:49:35,601 and a lot of the enjoyment of life has been taken out of it. 1049 00:49:35,801 --> 00:49:38,081 - Yes, the natural enjoyment. 1050 00:49:38,281 --> 00:49:39,681 - Hasn't been taken out of it, 1051 00:49:39,881 --> 00:49:43,121 it's just people, it's still there if you look for it. 1052 00:49:43,321 --> 00:49:44,321 I mean-- 1053 00:49:44,321 --> 00:49:45,241 - But how many people can look for it? 1054 00:49:45,441 --> 00:49:46,081 - Everybody can look. 1055 00:49:46,281 --> 00:49:50,541 Everybody can pursue happiness. 1056 00:49:57,881 --> 00:49:59,921 - At the end of their very special day 1057 00:50:00,121 --> 00:50:03,921 in London, after their trip to the zoo and the party, 1058 00:50:04,121 --> 00:50:06,961 we took our children to an adventure playground 1059 00:50:07,161 --> 00:50:10,701 where they could do just what they liked. 1060 00:50:12,281 --> 00:50:13,281 Those from the children's home 1061 00:50:13,481 --> 00:50:16,541 set about building a house. 1062 00:50:27,121 --> 00:50:28,001 There's Nicholas. 1063 00:50:33,441 --> 00:50:34,241 And Tony. 1064 00:50:42,401 --> 00:50:43,201 Andrew. 1065 00:50:45,121 --> 00:50:45,961 And Bruce. 1066 00:50:53,481 --> 00:50:54,321 John. 1067 00:50:58,961 --> 00:50:59,801 Suzy. 1068 00:51:03,041 --> 00:51:06,461 Jackie and her friends. 1069 00:51:10,401 --> 00:51:13,361 Give me a child until he is seven, 1070 00:51:13,561 --> 00:51:17,101 and I will give you the man. 1071 00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:28,781 This has been a glimpse of Britain's future. 79586

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