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Everybody
in that apartment complex
was just like,
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"Yeah, you can't
be here anymore,"
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so I left.
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The truth is that everywhere
that I would go...
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neighbors who knew me
saw what was going on,
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but... nobody
said anything,
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especially when I was living
with the Barnetts.
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Why? I don't know.
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I wanna know the answers
to these questions.
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I was a little girl.
I was seven years old.
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Oh, my gosh!
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Oh!
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I'm just looking
at the house.
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It's just like everything
is coming back.
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Yeah.
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Like, I'm just like,
my brain is everywhere
right now.
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- Yeah?
And...
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Like, just looking
at the house,
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like, it just reminds me
when Kristine
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had me walk all the way
around the block...
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- Hmm.
- ... with no shoes.
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And my feet were bleeding
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by the time
I got to the steps.
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Wow.
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And she...
she was mad about it.
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I couldn't even go
in the house. Like, she had
to clean my feet outside.
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But she used this brush...
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And it hurt.
And I told her it did,
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but she didn't
listen to me.
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There's just...
there's just so much...
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my brain is
like everywhere.
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It's, like,
replaying everything
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over and over again.
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Well...
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I'm sorry
about those experiences.
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But it's gonna be
all right.
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- It's gonna be all right.
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Even, like, just looking
at the front of the house,
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I just remembered
what happened in there.
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It literally feels
like a haunted house.
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I'm blessed
to even be alive.
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The time that
Kristine made me walk
all the way around that block.
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She wouldn't even let me
get my shoes.
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Neighbors were driving by
and nobody stopped
and said anything.
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And nobody even tried
to help me.
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From Natalia's perspective,
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the abuse was, you know,
like, in the open.
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And, you know, nobody
in the neighborhood
came to assist her.
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When I was
with the Barnetts,
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I wanted to tell the neighbors
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everything that happened
to me,
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but they knew Kristine
and Michael really well.
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Like, they were really
good friends, I guess.
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And... they wouldn't have
believed me.
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They would've just thought
I was just making up a story.
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So it was just like
I didn't know what else to do.
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And...
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I was scared.
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I was scared
if I did say something
what would Kristine do.
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Gracie was like
my best friend.
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Natalia came
to our house a lot
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to play
with my daughter, Grace.
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For a long time,
I thought they were,
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like, connected
at the hip, and then...
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Kristine, she just...
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said that Natalia
was trying to kill her
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and... I...
went to Grace
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and said, "You know what,
we need to find some
new friends to play with."
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'Cause I didn't want to have
anything to do
with that little girl.
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If she was trying
to kill Kristine, my friend,
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she wasn't welcome
in our house.
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I don't want her try killing
my daughter or me.
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Gracie's parents,
they were so nice.
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But with everything
that Kristine said about me,
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it changed their minds.
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I couldn't even
see Gracie anymore.
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Nobody stood up for me.
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I wanna find out why.
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Hi.
- Hi.
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- How are you?
- I'm all right.
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Good.
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- I don't know if you
remember me.
- I do.
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- You look so good. All pretty.
Thank you.
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Aw! Wanna sit down?
- Sure.
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All right.
You all right?
- Yeah, I'm okay.
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Okay.
I'm just... I'm
gonna leave that right here.
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Okay.
Yeah, that's perfect.
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- Do you remember coming over
here and playing and stuff?
- I do.
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- You do?
- Yes.
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We had lots of fun.
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We really did.
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- We went in our playroom
and when we...
- Yeah.
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played down here
and colored and did
all that kind of stuff.
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- Feels like forever ago.
- I know. It really was.
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But yeah, I mean,
it's been a while.
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So it's like hard for me
to remember what we've done,
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- but we did a lot
of stuff together.
- I know. Yeah.
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What exactly did Kristine
tell you when she came here?
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So she came over,
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and she was crying
when she told me this stuff.
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So she was like,
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"Um, Natalia was putting
thumbtacks on the steps,
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so when we walk up the steps,
we would step on them."
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And I was like, "Okay."
And she said,
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"Um, hiding knifes
in the mattress." I'm like,
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"Okay."
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And, like,
that's what scared me.
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And I just sat here
in such shock.
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So I was like, "What?"
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There's so many things
that the Barnetts have said
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that they've tried to paint me
as some crazy person.
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And literally I'm a...
I'm a kid wanting to play
with other kids
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and everybody is looking at me
as a 22-year-old.
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So they're all creeped out...
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and thinking I'm trying
to be a pedophile to a kid.
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I didn't even get a chance
to say goodbye to Gracie.
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I... it was just like a...
like...
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scissors going through
a piece of paper.
It was just cut off.
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I didn't know why.
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All I knew was I missed
my best friend.
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I was a kid.
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And you didn't
think twice about it,
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didn't think twice about,
you know, the fact like,
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"But she looks like
a little girl, how are they
saying she's an adult?"
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You just took
their word for it.
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Nobody investigated.
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Why didn't you ask about...
did you ask?
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No, I asked them.
I didn't ask you.
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Why didn't
you come to me?
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- I should have.
- Like, why...
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You... I was around
all the time, you said that
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you didn't
see anything.
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So why was that
so easy to believe?
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I... I didn't wanna
believe any of it...
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but I felt...
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like she pushed me
to believe it.
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That's what she did
with a lot of people.
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I mean,
they are good talkers.
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- Trust me, I feel terrible.
- Nobody ever asked me.
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Nobody ever thought,
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"Hey, like, maybe we should
get both sides of the story."
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Everybody just went with what
Kristine and Michael said.
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And the fact is that they...
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The fact is...
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when I got into my apartment
in Westfield,
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I was on this medicine.
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And...
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she'd pretty much
overdosed me.
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I—
- Did I ever try
to hurt Gracie?
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- Did I ever try
to do anything?
- No.
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And I...
I explained that to them.
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I said this was all
so hard to believe
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because you were always so—
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Why did you
believe it though?
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- Do I look
like a murderer to you?
No.
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Honey, if I knew
what was really going on.
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I... I should've asked,
I would've snatched you up
in a heartbeat.
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Why didn't you?
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I'm not gonna lie.
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I think I was kind of
scared of her...
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and what she could do.
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Did you ever think of what
she was doing to me?
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Unfortunately, no.
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I'm very ashamed... of it.
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I mean, I am. I...
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- I had no reason
not to believe her.
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Like, she...
she manipulated me.
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- I mean, I—
- She manipulated everybody.
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I mean, I'm angry as well,
trust me.
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Like, seeing...
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all of this and you
and hearing this, like... I...
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I mean, she's a horrible,
horrible human being.
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Hands down.
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Hands down.
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I don't want to talk
to Kristine again.
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Never.
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I don't wanna see her again.
I didn't even wanna see her
in the trial.
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But Michael...
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reached out
and said he wanted to talk,
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said he wanted to apologize.
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Well, he can try again.
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I'm, you know, like,
"I'll talk to you. I'll listen
to what you gotta say,
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but I have
a lot of questions."
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And I am hoping that this time
he will be truthful
and answer them.
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I've never tried
to forget Natalia
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as much as
I wanna forget it.
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One of the five
best days of my life
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was the day
that we adopted Natalia.
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As much as I want to
block that,
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put that in the past,
put that away...
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it's real. It's still there.
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I have very little things
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that survived from...
from my previous life.
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This is actually a cross
that was given to Natalia
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with... with her middle name,
"Grace" on it
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right after Natalia
came home with us.
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It was hanging up on...
on the wall of her bedroom.
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Natalia, I would like
to apologize directly to you
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and not the world.
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If we ever get a moment
where... we can
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have a conversation
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where we can speak,
where we can talk...
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you'll get that.
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But at the same time,
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I'm realistic enough
to know...
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that from other people's
points of view...
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I'm probably the devil.
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My name
is Ken Maxwell.
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I have over 30 years
of law-enforcement experience,
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the vast majority of which
was with the Federal Bureau
of Investigation.
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My last position,
I was the assistant
special agent in charge
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of the counterterrorism branch
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in the New York field office.
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Following my retirement
from the FBI,
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with my considerable
investigative experience,
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the Natalia Grace case...
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was more than intriguing
to me.
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When we first started out,
it was a classic whodunnit,
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but as we gathered
more information,
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it has evolved
into a how and a why.
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Why did all these things
take place?
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We can't get
into Kristine's mind
or Michael's mind.
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However, based upon...
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the evidence
we've been able to uncover,
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interviews with people,
documents,
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their own messaging
between each other,
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it amounts
to circumstantial evidence
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that gives us a glimpse
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into what they
were thinking at the time
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that helps support
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the notion that there
was a purposeful plan.
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Securing an apartment
for Natalia in Lafayette
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was the next step
of the plan
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to get rid of Natalia
from the Barnett family...
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for good.
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Placing Natalia
in this apartment
in Lafayette
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that was totally unsuitable
for a disabled person.
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Was Kristine exhibiting
a depraved indifference
for Natalia as a human being?
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Or was
the hate so strong
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that she just didn't care
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as to leave somebody
in an environment like that
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with little or no safety
or protection?
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Kristine dropped me off
at that apartment.
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I didn't know
how to take care of myself.
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I didn't know what to do.
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It seems Kristine
has one move left...
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to try to get rid of Natalia,
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but she's not
gonna stop there.
249
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She's moving on
to Michael next.
250
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A disabled
nine-year-old left alone
251
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in a dangerous neighborhood
to fend for herself.
252
00:14:12,030 --> 00:14:13,360
This was no accident.
253
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This was intentional.
254
00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,570
Natalia was left
in harm's way,
255
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in what appears to be
Kristine's final move,
256
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to get rid of her for good.
257
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I found out
I was moving to Lafayette
258
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once we were already there.
259
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She helped me move in.
260
00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:34,160
And then, once we
were done moving in,
261
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I find out that that's where
I'm gonna, like,
262
00:14:37,130 --> 00:14:39,000
actually be living...
263
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,470
and they're moving to Canada.
264
00:14:41,470 --> 00:14:43,470
Through the investigation,
we find out that
she got moved
265
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into the Westfield apartment
266
00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:46,760
and her specialized shoes
were taken from her
267
00:14:46,770 --> 00:14:48,100
and her walker.
268
00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:50,870
And here in Lafayette,
the same scenario.
269
00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:52,100
She didn't have
either one of those things.
270
00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,770
She just doesn't
have them.
271
00:14:53,770 --> 00:14:55,640
When I show up
to this apartment,
272
00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:59,270
I mean... it is not...
273
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catered to a person...
that is a little person.
274
00:15:03,370 --> 00:15:06,270
I'm just
completely shocked.
275
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There was nobody there
to help me get anything
from the top shelf
276
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or anything like that.
277
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,070
It was not a easy thing
doing it on my own.
278
00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:16,770
But I had to,
kind of, adapt to it.
279
00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:19,670
Kristine came
maybe twice.
280
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After that,
Michael came once.
281
00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,870
And, um...
282
00:15:24,930 --> 00:15:27,630
I never saw them again
after those three months.
283
00:15:35,570 --> 00:15:36,570
It's okay.
284
00:15:38,670 --> 00:15:39,770
This it? Wow.
285
00:15:39,830 --> 00:15:41,160
Oh, my goodness.
286
00:15:41,170 --> 00:15:42,870
Talk about memories.
287
00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:44,470
For real.
288
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:46,940
- These stairs were not easy.
I know.
289
00:15:52,170 --> 00:15:53,440
Ow!
290
00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,930
It's okay.
291
00:16:01,570 --> 00:16:03,170
I would have
to climb up there,
292
00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:06,000
and then when I would get
to the second step,
I would just pull the thing.
293
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,070
I had to stand on that step
for five minutes
294
00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:09,460
just to unlock the door.
295
00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:11,570
And once
I would get it open,
296
00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:14,470
I'd already be tired
from standing,
trying to open it.
297
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:15,870
And then I was like...
298
00:16:15,870 --> 00:16:19,100
Twelve steps after walking up
these five plus that step.
299
00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:21,170
- And then...
If I remember right...
- Plus the actual—
300
00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:22,460
there's like a...
301
00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:23,970
flooring when you first go in
302
00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:25,970
then there's
12 steps going up.
303
00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:27,340
Yes.
304
00:16:28,670 --> 00:16:30,740
I couldn't even
reach the mailbox.
305
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:34,040
Yeah, I probably should
sit down though.
306
00:16:37,770 --> 00:16:40,940
- Oh, Jeez, okay.
You know what?
- I got you.
307
00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,230
- You wanna sit?
- Yeah.
308
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:50,470
You know, this was like
17 stairs just right here,
309
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:53,470
so she had to do all this
on her own
310
00:16:53,530 --> 00:16:55,660
when she was so much
more smaller and...
311
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:58,270
- Yeah.
- ... and less stable.
312
00:16:58,270 --> 00:17:00,370
- You know, she was—
313
00:17:00,430 --> 00:17:02,000
- Jesus, that scared me.
Are you for real?
314
00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:05,940
What was that?
- Please, tell me
that was a firework.
315
00:17:07,870 --> 00:17:09,070
Oh, Jesus.
316
00:17:09,130 --> 00:17:10,030
Not today, Satan.
317
00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:11,460
- That sounded real close.
- It sounded like,
318
00:17:11,470 --> 00:17:13,570
not this block,
but the next block.
319
00:17:13,570 --> 00:17:16,370
That sounded
really loud.
320
00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:20,270
Yeah.
321
00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:22,370
- I was... eight.
- Nine and a half?
322
00:17:22,370 --> 00:17:24,070
I was eight. I turned nine
323
00:17:24,130 --> 00:17:25,760
- when I met you guys.
- Okay.
324
00:17:25,770 --> 00:17:27,470
- So nine years old...
- Yep.
325
00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:30,170
and she was walking
through this area herself.
326
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:31,660
Anything could
have happened.
327
00:17:31,670 --> 00:17:33,670
- I thank God it didn't.
328
00:17:33,670 --> 00:17:34,570
Jesus.
329
00:17:34,570 --> 00:17:36,000
- Oh, okay.
330
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000
I'm ready to go.
331
00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:42,870
Her family just dropped
her off in Lafayette
and went to Canada.
332
00:17:44,370 --> 00:17:46,470
Who does that?
333
00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:49,360
It makes me angry.
It makes me wanna...
334
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:51,660
just scream at Kristine.
335
00:17:51,670 --> 00:17:54,270
Because why would you
do that to her.
336
00:17:54,270 --> 00:17:56,370
Why did Natalia
deserve that?
337
00:17:56,370 --> 00:18:01,240
Because... "Kristine,
she didn't fit
into your agenda?"
338
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,230
I'm at work,
I get a phone call
from Kristine.
339
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:11,100
The exact words
are... "Michael...
340
00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,570
quit your job,
call your boss,
341
00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:15,270
you need to come home
right now.
342
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:16,970
We're moving to Canada."
343
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:18,770
And she hung up.
344
00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:20,360
So I come rushing home.
345
00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,270
Kristine...
346
00:18:22,270 --> 00:18:24,570
rents a car, takes the boys,
347
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:26,360
leaves the country,
goes to Canada
348
00:18:26,370 --> 00:18:27,870
to go find a place to live.
349
00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:31,170
And Kristine tells me that,
"You have to sell
everything we own."
350
00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:33,470
And then I join my family
up in Canada.
351
00:18:34,970 --> 00:18:36,670
The steps
that Kristine took
352
00:18:36,670 --> 00:18:38,770
with Michael in Canada
353
00:18:38,830 --> 00:18:42,760
are at least indicative
of part of her plan possibly,
354
00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:44,660
that she got rid of Natalia,
355
00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:49,260
"Now it's time to rid myself
of my husband, Michael."
356
00:18:49,330 --> 00:18:51,160
It culminates into...
357
00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:54,730
she's even gonna alienate
his sons against him.
358
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,100
While we
were in Canada,
359
00:18:58,100 --> 00:18:59,630
there were fights
every day.
360
00:19:01,770 --> 00:19:03,670
I was driving
with the family
361
00:19:03,730 --> 00:19:06,760
and Kristine was just
screaming and screaming
362
00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:08,670
and yelling and yelling at me.
363
00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:10,660
"You are not helpful!
364
00:19:10,670 --> 00:19:12,470
You are nothing.
You are worthless.
365
00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:13,560
You are replaceable.
366
00:19:13,570 --> 00:19:15,270
The book money,
it's all mine.
367
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:16,670
The Hollywood money,
it's all mine."
368
00:19:16,670 --> 00:19:18,370
Mentally...
369
00:19:18,370 --> 00:19:21,740
this was
my snaping point...
370
00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:24,570
with Kristine.
371
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:26,960
I tell her, "I've had it.
372
00:19:26,970 --> 00:19:28,940
I'm leaving you."
373
00:19:32,370 --> 00:19:33,870
Anger builds...
374
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,770
"Shut up or I'll kill you."
375
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:38,730
"Mine, everything is mine.
You're worthless!"
376
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:41,330
"Shut up or I'll kill you."
377
00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:44,570
"You're nothing... mine..."
378
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:46,530
"Shut up or I'll kill you."
379
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,570
I shouldn't have said it.
380
00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:51,770
Absolutely shouldn't
have said it.
381
00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:56,270
Angel voice comes out...
382
00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:59,760
public persona
hits the brakes
and comes out.
383
00:19:59,830 --> 00:20:02,060
She spins, turns to the boys
in the back seat...
384
00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:04,670
"Boys...
385
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:06,630
Dad's gonna kill all of us.
386
00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:08,470
It's okay.
387
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:10,770
I'm gonna protect you."
388
00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:13,370
Every day,
Kristine would tell them,
389
00:20:13,370 --> 00:20:15,740
"You're dad's dangerous,
he's gonna kill you."
390
00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,470
Next thing you know, suddenly,
my kids are terrorized.
391
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:23,270
And they sleep with knives
next to their bed
392
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:25,270
because they're afraid
of their dad coming to Canada
393
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:26,970
to kidnap them
and kill them.
394
00:20:28,570 --> 00:20:29,970
Kristine went to
395
00:20:30,030 --> 00:20:34,160
a Canadian therapist,
a mental health professional
396
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:36,560
and told her
what had occurred,
397
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:40,460
that Michael was a danger
to Kristine and to the boys.
398
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:42,640
A physical threat
to the family.
399
00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:47,670
At this point
in time I had moved
back to Indiana.
400
00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:49,160
Later I would
come to find out
401
00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:52,470
the moment
she stopped shouting
402
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:54,970
and turned into
the angelic protector,
403
00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:58,570
she had palmed
the cell phone,
404
00:20:58,570 --> 00:21:00,570
she had hit record on it...
405
00:21:00,570 --> 00:21:03,470
She takes the recording,
not long thereafter
406
00:21:03,870 --> 00:21:05,270
to the Ontario police.
407
00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:10,640
And tries to convince them
that we are in danger.
408
00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,470
So this fight that
Michael and Kristine had,
409
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:16,070
and she pulls out
her phone and she,
410
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:19,070
she video tapes threats
that Michael was making
411
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:20,870
in the heat
of the moment,
412
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:22,770
are now living on forever,
413
00:21:22,770 --> 00:21:27,470
that's parallel
to Natalia's experience
with the pledge incident.
414
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:31,540
Where Natalia says,
"She pulled out her phone
and made me do it."
415
00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:34,270
And then use it
as evidence.
416
00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:37,270
That she caught me, you know,
poisoning her coffee.
417
00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:39,960
So this is Kristine
creating a narrative
418
00:21:39,970 --> 00:21:44,270
to her benefit
and perhaps
to scare Michael.
419
00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:47,070
Then she calls
me up to tell me...
420
00:21:47,130 --> 00:21:49,230
This was, like, you have
committed a crime
421
00:21:50,170 --> 00:21:51,770
and we're about
to lock you up.
422
00:21:55,570 --> 00:22:01,100
Kristine was masterful
at understanding a situation
423
00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:03,230
she could
exploit immediately
424
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,670
on camera.
425
00:22:04,670 --> 00:22:07,270
Kristine got him so upset
and they were fighting
426
00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:09,060
that she turned
a camera on him
427
00:22:09,070 --> 00:22:10,270
as he was saying,
you know,
428
00:22:10,270 --> 00:22:12,070
"I'll kill you.
I'll kill you."
429
00:22:12,130 --> 00:22:14,060
And she took it
to the police
430
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:16,970
in order to keep him
in the United States.
431
00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:19,970
It's terrible, Michael.
432
00:22:21,070 --> 00:22:24,140
Extremely scary.
433
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,070
Kristine... Kris...
434
00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:44,230
Kris, calm down.
435
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,870
After Michael
came back from Canada,
436
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:33,000
he lived with us.
437
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,670
Michael would have
his door closed
438
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:36,360
and he would be
talking to Kristine,
439
00:24:36,370 --> 00:24:39,070
trying to talk
to the boys, whatever.
440
00:24:39,070 --> 00:24:41,240
And she would just be
screaming at him.
441
00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:45,170
Kristine would scream
crazy things at him,
442
00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:49,000
calling him a psycho
and calling him an abuser.
443
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,670
She used that incident
to tell my kids forever
444
00:24:51,670 --> 00:24:53,770
that I was
a wanted man in Canada,
445
00:24:53,770 --> 00:24:56,370
that I couldn't enter
the country of Canada,
446
00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:58,930
that I had charges
waiting for me in Canada.
447
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,270
It seemed
Kristine wanted Michael
to be in the US
448
00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:05,470
while she's in Canada
with Jacob and the boys.
449
00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:07,470
Now, if that's true, why?
450
00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:10,160
Well, maybe because
she wanted Michael to be
451
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:12,660
the sole parent
responsible for Natalia
452
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:14,570
who at this point
is their dependent
453
00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:16,770
and maybe
a dependent forever
454
00:25:16,770 --> 00:25:19,070
and if something
were to happen to Natalia,
455
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:20,370
she could just
claim ignorance,
456
00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:22,670
like, "I'm in Canada.
I'm not even in the country.
457
00:25:22,670 --> 00:25:23,970
It's on Michael."
458
00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:27,270
She even engaged
in a conversation at one point
459
00:25:27,330 --> 00:25:28,760
where she wanted Michael
460
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:32,560
to be the trustee
of Natalia's affairs.
461
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:34,660
We know that
from Facebook communications.
462
00:25:34,670 --> 00:25:39,140
Kristine was almost
leaving him holding
the bag to do all this.
463
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:43,470
You were asked
about personal knowledge
464
00:25:43,470 --> 00:25:48,170
about her being neglected
or left in this apartment.
465
00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:52,570
So any... If, if you want to
respond as to what Natalia
466
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:53,960
told you or sent you,
467
00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:55,460
I think that
would be appropriate.
468
00:25:55,530 --> 00:26:00,660
So, uh, okay. I have a picture
of her looking like she has
469
00:26:00,670 --> 00:26:02,440
bruises all over her face,
470
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:04,470
her hair is chopped off,
471
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:06,170
she looks miserable
472
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:10,030
in an apartment
that she and the Mans told me
were up a flight of stairs.
473
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:13,470
This is when
she was living alone.
474
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:17,870
Does anybody know
what happened?
475
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:21,070
So, when you drop a little
disabled six-year-old off,
476
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,470
what the hell happened?
477
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,770
Oh. It's horrible.
478
00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:28,670
- She has what looks like...
Maybe black eyes.
479
00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:30,070
black eyes
and her—
480
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:31,170
A scrape
across her nose.
481
00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:33,970
Scrape
across the bridge of her nose.
482
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:35,730
I mean...
483
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:38,370
I mean, look at
the way she walks.
484
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:40,460
I mean, she,
she could've fallen, you know?
485
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:43,470
- I mean, who knows.
She could've
fallen down all those stairs
486
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:45,070
- that they put her in.
She
could've fallen...
487
00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:47,970
- She was in
a second story apartment.
- ... down in the apartment.
488
00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:50,770
So at trial, the main points
that we had were,
489
00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:53,570
as a dependent she was
in a second floor apartment,
490
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:55,370
they didn't set her up
with any doctors,
491
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:58,570
they didn't set her up
with anyone to assist her
492
00:26:58,630 --> 00:27:03,360
as far as hygiene,
cooking, cleaning, clothes.
493
00:27:03,370 --> 00:27:06,470
Michael had
a duty to care for her
494
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:08,070
which he failed to do so
495
00:27:08,130 --> 00:27:12,160
when he abandoned her
in Lafayette in a situation
496
00:27:12,170 --> 00:27:14,770
that endangered
her life or health.
497
00:27:17,170 --> 00:27:20,070
I remember my power
actually being shut off
498
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:22,270
in Lafayette apartment
499
00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:24,360
for, like, a week and it was
in the middle of summer.
500
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:27,160
Like, it was burning hot.
501
00:27:27,170 --> 00:27:29,770
I remember, like, everything
in the fridge went bad, like,
502
00:27:29,770 --> 00:27:32,000
and I couldn't go
grocery shopping
503
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,730
and I was scared.
504
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:36,940
I was really scared.
505
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:39,170
Like, I could've died.
506
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:41,460
I grew up way too early.
507
00:27:41,530 --> 00:27:45,360
I've had to learn lessons
that I should've learned
508
00:27:45,370 --> 00:27:49,070
when, maybe, like,
just now turning 20.
509
00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:51,560
I should be
learning those life lessons.
510
00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:55,640
If, literally like,
I had to grow up overnight.
511
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,000
Michael being left
in Indiana
512
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,370
did do some things,
513
00:28:00,370 --> 00:28:02,370
possibly,
even unintentionally.
514
00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:03,460
We have communications
515
00:28:03,530 --> 00:28:05,060
where he's
questioning Kristine,
516
00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:07,040
"Why did you
shut off the electricity?
517
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:11,830
There was
no air conditioner.
518
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,870
Why did you
take her phone?"
519
00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:21,100
If Kristine was trying
to set up Michael to
take responsibility
520
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:22,670
or take the fall
for anything
521
00:28:22,670 --> 00:28:24,470
that happened
to Natalia in Lafayette,
522
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,970
these communications
contradict that.
523
00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:32,100
They show her
direct knowledge of,
524
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,670
"Why did you, Kristine,
shut off her phone?
525
00:28:34,670 --> 00:28:38,870
Why did you
not pay the electric bill?"
You being Kristine.
526
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:42,270
So it makes her culpable.
527
00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:44,170
In fact, it infers that
Michael was not aware
528
00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:46,570
that Kristine
did these things.
529
00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:50,470
Michael checked in
on Natalia and became
a lifeline for her.
530
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:53,070
He had her electricity
turned back on
531
00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:56,370
and air conditioning
installed, he got her food
532
00:28:56,370 --> 00:29:01,670
and basically
foiled Kristine's plan.
533
00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:05,000
It was almost
a victory for the Barnetts,
534
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,870
but in the end,
look at Kristine's failures.
535
00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:10,760
She failed to get Natalia
locked up criminally,
536
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:14,160
she failed to
get her committed
to a psychiatric facility,
537
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:17,460
she failed to get
Michael to take the fall
538
00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:20,370
and finally
the authorities get involved.
539
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:22,770
When the director
of the Adult Learning Center
540
00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:24,670
in Lafayette, Indiana
541
00:29:24,670 --> 00:29:26,470
did what every other adult
542
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:28,370
in Natalia's life
had failed to do,
543
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:30,140
call the police.
544
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,970
Kristine and Michael
were really trying to erase
Natalia from their lives.
545
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:39,970
But once
the police were involved,
546
00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:42,670
they launched
an investigation in 2013
547
00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:44,470
into who Natalia was.
548
00:29:44,530 --> 00:29:45,460
Where she came from,
549
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:47,070
how she got
to the United States,
550
00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:50,470
and to Indiana
and an apartment
living by herself.
551
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:53,570
Now that statement she wrote
at the Adult Learning Center
552
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:56,040
was a biographical sketch
given to the police
553
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:59,270
and in it there were
554
00:29:59,270 --> 00:30:03,470
allegations, which if true,
show that this child
555
00:30:03,530 --> 00:30:07,160
was abused long before she was
in the Barnett household.
556
00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:12,440
You wrote down
the story of your life, right?
557
00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:15,470
Natalia is not unscathed.
558
00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:19,560
We know there were things that
she came with to this country.
559
00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:23,270
As an investigator,
really difficult
to really know
560
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:26,660
what the... the whole story
about what happened to her,
561
00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:28,470
as a baby, as a child.
562
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:31,840
This is September 11th
of 2013
563
00:30:32,670 --> 00:30:35,970
and it said,
"I was born in Ukraine
564
00:30:36,030 --> 00:30:37,360
but, but I do not
remember much.
565
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:39,470
So I don't know
my real parents
566
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:40,770
and I was in an orphanage
567
00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:43,160
so I only remember
the bad stuff.
568
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:45,660
And then I got a shot,
which made me pass out
569
00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:48,760
and then when I woke up,
I was in a baby orphanage.
570
00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:53,040
And I saw a guy
put something on my face,
like, a towel or something..."
571
00:30:59,170 --> 00:31:00,340
Yikes...
572
00:31:01,370 --> 00:31:03,370
I actually forgot
I wrote this.
573
00:31:08,170 --> 00:31:11,270
This is when everything
started to turn for you.
574
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:13,860
- Things just kinda changed.
- This was— I wrote this
575
00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:16,870
and then they took me
to the police station.
576
00:31:16,930 --> 00:31:19,560
And you're now at Lafayette
and there's no...
577
00:31:19,570 --> 00:31:21,670
You've been
cut off, basically.
578
00:31:21,730 --> 00:31:24,460
Pretty much.
Thankfully, I had my parents.
579
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:27,270
You had this
whole new door that opened up.
580
00:31:27,330 --> 00:31:29,360
Mmm. With the Mans family.
581
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:31,370
I don't know. It's
just, like, I felt safe
582
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:32,670
when I met my parents.
583
00:31:32,670 --> 00:31:34,370
Even though
I didn't know who they were,
584
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:36,170
but I just... I felt safe.
585
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:37,860
They let me be a kid.
586
00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:42,570
They let me be
a nine-year-old,
all the way into teenager
587
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:44,160
all the way to now.
588
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:46,830
Antwon and Cynthia
showed me what
589
00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:50,270
a dad and a mom
are supposed to be like.
590
00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:52,240
They taught me what love is.
591
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:59,470
So, this first one is me.
592
00:31:59,470 --> 00:32:00,770
That's me right there.
593
00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:02,670
Wow!
You're so little!
That's me. I was...
594
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:04,560
Aw!
595
00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:07,470
I was, like, two...
I think I was, like, two.
596
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:08,570
That's what it looks like.
597
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:11,100
Natalia was so cute!
598
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,070
- I was so little.
Wow!
599
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:16,470
- And then that is...
- Your mom and dad.
600
00:32:16,530 --> 00:32:18,560
Yeah. That's my
biological dad and mom.
601
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:20,270
Aw!
602
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:44,370
I don't wanna open
603
00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:46,840
that door of
a relationship with Anna.
604
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,570
I get it, you know?
605
00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:53,370
You, you probably
do wanna see me
and everything like that,
606
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:56,370
but I have a family here.
607
00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:59,570
I have my parents
who raised me.
608
00:32:59,630 --> 00:33:01,760
Like, it's different with Anna
609
00:33:01,770 --> 00:33:03,470
because she only
gave birth to me,
610
00:33:03,530 --> 00:33:08,060
but she let me go
pretty much that same day.
611
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:10,170
It started bringing in
some hurt emotions
612
00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:15,140
because I haven't been in
the Ukraine since I was five.
613
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:18,970
The things that I remember
614
00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:22,960
from being in the orphanage
in Ukraine are not great.
615
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:26,370
They're scary memories
616
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:29,170
that I really don't like
to think about anymore.
617
00:33:30,970 --> 00:33:33,070
When Natalia
was in the orphanage,
618
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:37,570
most probably because
they just didn't
have the staff
619
00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:40,870
to support
these kids one on one,
620
00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:42,460
and what they
would have to do is
621
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:44,370
en masse scare them into,
622
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:45,860
you know,
getting into their beds
623
00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:47,170
and being quiet
624
00:33:47,170 --> 00:33:51,740
and therefore
they use unusual tactics.
625
00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:57,270
One time
we were playing,
626
00:33:59,270 --> 00:34:00,870
we heard stomping
627
00:34:00,930 --> 00:34:04,260
and everybody
ran to the bedroom...
628
00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:08,370
but I knew
I couldn't
629
00:34:08,370 --> 00:34:09,870
and there was
a couch behind me
630
00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:11,240
and I hid behind a couch.
631
00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:19,870
There was like,
this big, black cloak
632
00:34:19,870 --> 00:34:21,570
and it was,
like, this green mask.
633
00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:28,840
To me it was like
the monster under the bed.
634
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:32,670
It heard me crying
635
00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:36,240
and it turned my way
and I, literally, panicked.
636
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,370
And I crawled to the very end
637
00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:40,060
where there was,
like, a plant,
638
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:41,770
where it couldn't
get me on that side.
639
00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:44,670
And I remember
hearing it stomping,
coming towards me
640
00:34:44,670 --> 00:34:46,970
and it just peaked
behind the couch.
641
00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:49,970
And I was so scared.
642
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:52,660
Like, I didn't know
what was about to happen,
643
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:55,670
and it just stared at me.
644
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,670
And I'm,
like, I don't know what to do.
645
00:35:01,870 --> 00:35:03,840
And it finally left.
646
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:07,570
And then I remember
one of the people that was
647
00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:09,670
in the bedroom
with the other kids
648
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:12,730
came and hugged me
and then that was it.
649
00:35:13,770 --> 00:35:15,270
But, like, that was, like,
650
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:19,260
the scariest
moment of my life
that I remember from that age.
651
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:20,970
Like, that was beyond scary
652
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:23,360
'cause I didn't know
what was happening,
653
00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:26,840
I don't know why anybody would
want to scare a bunch of kids.
654
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,770
A lot of stuff happened that
just should not have happened.
655
00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:38,030
One thing I do remember is
656
00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:40,070
it's very weird,
657
00:35:40,070 --> 00:35:44,270
but I was is a orphanage
and I just remember, like,
658
00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:46,830
somebody just coming up
and just covering my face
659
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:49,970
and I blacked out
660
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:51,000
and then it was, like...
661
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,270
I remember I woke up
being carried and I just
662
00:35:54,270 --> 00:35:56,370
remember just seeing
a big building,
663
00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:57,570
looked like
an apartment building.
664
00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:02,370
I remember being
in a doctor's office
665
00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:06,000
and then I remember
getting a shot in my arm
666
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,570
and then after that
I blacked out again.
667
00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:10,070
And then,
next thing I know,
668
00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:11,440
I'm laying on a couch.
669
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:18,070
This memory has always
been, like, a mystery to me.
670
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:23,230
And... Well...
671
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:32,670
I can't remember anything
about what he looked like.
672
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:36,000
The next memory
that I have after that
is me back in a orphanage.
673
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,670
Like, I don't know
how I got back there
674
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:40,960
or anything like that.
675
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:42,760
When I'm trying
to picture it,
676
00:36:42,830 --> 00:36:46,360
it's just, like,
an invisible guy
with a white T-shirt.
677
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:48,760
Like, I just don't know
what he looked like.
678
00:36:48,830 --> 00:36:49,760
I can't remember.
679
00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:54,270
I can
hand it to you
680
00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:55,970
and then I'll take it back.
681
00:36:59,470 --> 00:37:00,340
I don't even know...
682
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,770
Like, how did y'all
get this picture?
683
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:11,170
Oh, my goodness.
684
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,370
Oh, my gosh.
685
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,170
Like, honestly,
I don't know what to say.
686
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:30,970
I don't know
what to even think.
687
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:32,870
Because, like, I know, like,
688
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:35,170
more happened
than what I remember,
689
00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:37,640
but it's like,
I can't figure it out.
690
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,870
Like, just seeing
that, like,
691
00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:43,270
and not being able to
remember is frustrating.
692
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:51,370
But it's also scary because
I don't know what he did.
693
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:53,460
I don't know
why I was with him. I...
694
00:37:55,870 --> 00:37:56,970
I don't know.
695
00:37:59,270 --> 00:38:02,770
If Natalia had been
traumatized in Ukraine,
696
00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:05,360
she needed
a family to help her heal,
697
00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:07,770
but the Barnetts
were not that family.
698
00:38:07,770 --> 00:38:09,440
They did the opposite
699
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,830
and then
she's re-traumatized again.
700
00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:17,570
The time
I was in the Ukraine
701
00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:19,570
in the orphanage,
after all that happened,
702
00:38:19,570 --> 00:38:21,670
the only thing
I really wanted
703
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:23,470
was a family
who loves me.
704
00:38:23,470 --> 00:38:25,570
A family that protects me
705
00:38:25,570 --> 00:38:28,040
and the Barnetts
did none of that.
706
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,570
They just hurt me more.
707
00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:32,940
Kristine and Michael
were never my parents!
708
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:34,730
From day one.
709
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,230
They never
acted like my parents.
710
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,170
Even though I'm still
legally theirs right now,
711
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:44,970
they are not my parents.
712
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,070
Antwon and Cynthia Mans
are my parents.
713
00:38:49,170 --> 00:38:51,470
So, the only thing
that's left connecting me
714
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:53,560
to the Barnetts
is my last name
715
00:38:53,570 --> 00:38:55,170
and that's about to
change as well.
716
00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:57,570
I'm Peter Kenny.
717
00:38:57,570 --> 00:39:00,770
I practice law
in Indianapolis, Indiana.
718
00:39:00,770 --> 00:39:02,070
Primarily adoptions,
719
00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:04,970
foster care
and guardianship issues.
720
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:06,970
What makes me
wanna take this case is,
721
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:08,360
I think it's about time that
722
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:11,770
the system
looked out for Natalia.
723
00:39:11,770 --> 00:39:14,470
I just want to see
why do you want to be
in their family forever?
724
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:16,370
And why do you
want to be theirs?
725
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:19,840
They've
actually been a family to me.
726
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:21,970
They've showed me love.
727
00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:24,260
They've told me
that they love me
and they've showed it.
728
00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:26,870
This will be
my third adoption
729
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:28,930
and this will be
my permanent adoption.
730
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,170
I've been Natasha Gava
731
00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:34,100
and then it was
Natalia Ciccone
732
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,970
and then
it was Natalia Barnett
733
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:38,560
and now it'll
be Natalia Mans.
734
00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:41,770
With still being
connected to the Barnett name
735
00:39:41,770 --> 00:39:43,670
and everything like that
and how it, like,
736
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:46,060
if I have to sign something
I have to say Barnett,
737
00:39:46,070 --> 00:39:49,170
and it's like,
I don't want that
738
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:50,760
to be my identity.
739
00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:52,560
'Cause, like,
with everything that happened,
740
00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:54,770
it's all connected
to the Barnett name.
741
00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:57,730
And I don't want that
to be connected to me anymore.
742
00:39:58,100 --> 00:39:59,270
I just want to start new
743
00:39:59,270 --> 00:40:01,340
and not have to
look back and...
744
00:40:02,670 --> 00:40:03,770
I don't wanna have to...
745
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:05,470
Like, someone ask me, like,
"What's your name?"
746
00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:07,170
I don't wanna
say Natalia Barnett.
747
00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:10,170
I wanna say Natalia Mans
because that's who I am.
748
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:11,760
I'm a Mans.
I'm not a Barnett.
749
00:40:11,770 --> 00:40:14,170
Like, me and my family
have had to pay the price
750
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:17,660
for their decisions
with pain and suffering
751
00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:19,960
and just a whole bunch
of road blocks.
752
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:26,460
And so now, I feel like
they should be the ones
to have to pay the price.
753
00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:28,860
Legally, I feel like
they got away with it.
754
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:30,370
Legally they did.
755
00:40:30,370 --> 00:40:33,670
Publicly, they're not.
'Cause people know
756
00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:36,860
and are gonna see
as these things get uncovered,
757
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:38,360
what they have done.
758
00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:40,870
'Cause you don't
go through this much stuff
759
00:40:41,370 --> 00:40:43,170
to do something to a person
760
00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:44,940
unless you're
hiding something.
761
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,370
As long, as long as
I've known them,
762
00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:49,070
all they've done is lied.
763
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:51,560
What this adoption
will do is
764
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:54,460
kinda pave the way
for anything you wanna do
765
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:55,470
legally in the future
766
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:57,870
because the evidence
will speak for itself.
767
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:59,840
- They're hiding something.
- Yeah.
768
00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:02,470
With this adoption,
769
00:41:02,530 --> 00:41:03,860
I'll be legally
a part of the family.
770
00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:06,270
So that way,
I'll be protected
771
00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:09,740
while I do civil suits
against the Barnetts.
772
00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:12,170
You know, abuse, neglect
773
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:13,970
and a whole bunch
of other stuff
774
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:16,740
that should not
have happened.
775
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,470
Michael and Natalia
are meeting again.
776
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:24,370
Michael on one side
and Natalia on the other.
777
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,070
Will Michael
reveal any secrets?
778
00:41:27,130 --> 00:41:29,160
Of course,
Natalia wants answers,
779
00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:31,770
but she's
running a risk here
780
00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:33,670
because Michael
has triggers.
781
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:38,100
I try, I try, I try, I try!
782
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,870
Let me talk to you.
Let me talk to you.
No, no, no.
783
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:43,070
Michael?
Leave me alone!
784
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:47,100
Is she running the risk
that he's gonna get up
and walk out again?
785
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,170
You ain't about to
weasel your way out of this.
786
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:51,570
He's got to
come back and man up
787
00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:53,470
and stop being
a little whiny baby!
788
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,570
He acted
like a coward!
789
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:59,760
This is round two.
790
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,670
How many
other secrets are there?
791
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:06,470
You have to fight
to get to the truth.
792
00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:08,060
I'm not scared anymore.
793
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:13,370
You deserve
to have some answers.
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