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- In the criminal
justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate, yet
equally important groups:
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the police, who
investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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- ♪ Okay, stress me
on checkers or chess ♪
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♪ I don't play by the
rules if you guessed it ♪
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♪ We about to run
it up, run it up ♪
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♪ We about to run it
up, run it up, run ♪
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♪ We about to run
it up, run it up ♪
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[engine revving]
[alarm blaring]
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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[gun clicks]
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[siren wailing]
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- Hell of a way to
start your day, huh?
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- Yeah, I'm not sure it's
actually started yet.
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- Not a morning person?
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- Oh, I love a morning.
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4:00 a.m.? Still last night.
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What are we looking at?
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- Oh, DOA, took
one in the chest.
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No wallet, no phone.
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Bodega owner down the street
heard the shot around 2:00 a.m.
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and called it in but
didn't see anything.
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- Okay.
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Pricey clothes.
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Bet he had an
expensive watch too.
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- Yeah.
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Could be looking at an
old-fashioned robbery.
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- Maybe.
- Detectives.
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We found this in the
bushes over there.
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- Thank you.
- Empty.
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- So the killer took the
cash, tossed the wallet.
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- Evan Marks.
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- The tech guy.
- CEO of VenZip?
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- Damn, VenZip is how I pay
for everything these days.
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You don't use it?
- No, man.
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I'm not trusting my
bank info to an app.
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- [laughs]
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Okay, so the headquarters
is across the street.
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- He's at the office late.
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- The guy's a billionaire,
bragging about the fact
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that he's about to single-
handedly make cash obsolete.
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- So what's a guy like
that doing at an ATM
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at 2:00 in the morning?
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- Bank records
confirm Evan Marks
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made a withdrawal from the
ATM just before the shooting.
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Thanks.
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2 grand, maximum amount allowed.
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- That's a lot of money
for that hour of night.
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- Mm.
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We're agreeing to
call it night now.
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- Hey, does anyone know
who James Sawyer is?
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- Yeah, he's like a
god in the tech world.
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- Well, apparently, he
is also a co-founder
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of our vic's company.
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- Evan Marks and James Sawyer
are like the dream team
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of Silicon Valley...
or at least they were.
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- Well, Sawyer just posted
this on his social media.
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"Evan Marks was one
of the greatest minds
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"of our generation. The
NYPD should be ashamed.
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"Violent street crime
is out of control,
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and Evan's blood
is on their hands."
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- So Marks's murder is
somehow our fault now?
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- Well, apparently, according
to James Sawyer, it is.
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- And that guy has got
millions of followers
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that worship him as a genius.
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- And every one of them is
reposting this nonsense.
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Look, we gotta wrap
this up. What do we got?
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- We tried pinging
Marks's stolen phone,
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but we didn't get anything.
Killer likely turned it off.
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- Still canvassing for
video, but so far, nothing.
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- But he still slipped up.
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Techs were able to
lift a partial print
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from Marks's wallet,
and I got a hit.
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Blake Hughes, also
known as G-Ticket.
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- G-Ticket?
- He's a rapper.
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And it actually looks like he's
pretty popular on SoundCloud.
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But what is of interest
is his list of priors...
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possession with intent to
sell, aggravated assault,
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robbery in the first degree.
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- Go, go.
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[hip-hop music
playing indistinctly]
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♪ ♪
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- That part was fire.
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Yo, yo, yo. What's going
on? Can I help you?
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- Yeah, NYPD, my guy.
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We need to talk to your
friend right there.
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[suspenseful music]
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- Come on. Let's go.
- Oh, come on.
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- Hey!
- Yo!
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♪ ♪
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- [groans] Get off me!
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I ain't done nothing.
- Yeah?
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Well, we both know
that's not true.
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Just stop, all right? Stop.
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Stop.
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Give me your arm.
Give me your arm.
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- Well, this looks
like 2,000 bucks.
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- Blake Hughes,
you're under arrest.
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- We know it was you.
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Your cell phone data puts you
in the Meatpacking District
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last night, right
around the area
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Marks was murdered.
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- We got your fingerprints
on his wallet.
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We caught you with his
phone and his watch.
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- Nah, man, that ain't it.
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Look, I was there, but...
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I knew the guy.
We were friends.
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- Oh, you and Evan
Marks were friends.
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I gotta hear this one.
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- We met last year at Coachella.
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He was a fan of my music.
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- All right, so
what were you doing
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outside his place of business
at 2:00 a.m. last night?
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- He asked me to come meet him.
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He... he would buy
off of me sometimes.
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Dude love to party.
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I mean, party.
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Like, he wanted
ketamine, acid, shrooms.
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- Okay, so you were
there to sell him drugs.
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- Just so we're clear,
I'm out of that game.
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- [laughs]
- Clearly.
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- I would make an
exception for Evan.
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That stuff you found,
I mean, I only had it
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because I wanted to stay
on his good side, you know?
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Look, I was hoping he'd
give me money to...
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to produce my album.
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- Okay, so just help me out.
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What went wrong? Why
did you shoot him?
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- I didn't.
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When I got there, he was already
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arguing with some other guy.
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So I didn't wanna get involved.
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I hung back, stayed
out of sight.
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They started yelling
at each other.
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Next thing I knew,
there was a gunshot,
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and the other dude ran off.
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- And how did you end up with
Marks's money and his watch?
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- After the guy ran away,
I went to go check on Evan,
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see if he was okay.
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But he was already dead.
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- So you're telling me you
robbed your dead friend?
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- Look, I'm not proud of it,
but studio time is expensive.
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- All right, in any event,
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you didn't happen
to get a good look
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at this other guy, did you?
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- No, but I did overhear
some of their conversation.
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Their argument, they were...
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They were fighting over a woman.
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- What makes you say that?
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- The dude said, "You
turned her against me,"
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or something like that.
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And Marks was all, "She
doesn't need you anymore."
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[suspenseful music]
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♪ ♪
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- We found some
pretty raunchy texts
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between you and Evan Marks.
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What was the nature of
your relationship with him?
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- Oh, God.
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I've known Evan forever.
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We first met in Aspen, I think.
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- Were you two
romantically involved?
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- You mean, were we
sleeping together?
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Yeah, sometimes.
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But we weren't
dating or anything.
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It was just two
friends exploring,
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finding joy together.
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- You know anybody who might
have been jealous of this joy?
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- Jealous of me and
Evan sleeping together?
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No.
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- Hey, Lace.
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I have to be at the
gallery till 3:00,
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so I picked us up some lunch.
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- Afternoon.
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- What's going on?
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- Detective Riley.
This is Detective Shaw.
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And you are?
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- Craig Walsh.
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Is this about Evan?
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- It is.
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How well do you know him?
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- Mm, well.
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He officiated our wedding.
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- You guys are married?
- Yeah.
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- Mr. Walsh, where were you
last night around 2:00 a.m.?
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- [scoffs]
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I want a lawyer.
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- Magic word, okay. Call
him to the precinct.
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♪ ♪
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- Spoke to your doorman.
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According to him,
you and your wife
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didn't get home last night
until after 4:00 a.m.
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- Which does not
look good since Marks
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was killed around 2:00.
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- I would never kill Evan.
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I loved the guy.
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- Bet you didn't love him
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sleeping with your
wife, though, huh?
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- Lacy and I have
an open marriage.
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- Okay.
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Then where were you last night?
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- It'll be fine.
Just tell them.
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[suspenseful music]
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- I was at the VenZip
offices. So was Lacy.
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- So you were with
him Evan Marks.
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- And a lot of other people.
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There was a party.
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- Oh, yeah? What kind
of party was that?
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- There's an underground
scene for people
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of a certain caliber.
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It's called the Lifestyle.
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- Lifestyle?
- I did not name it.
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Evan was super into
the whole thing.
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It was his idea to throw one
of the parties at his office.
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- You know, you really didn't
need a lawyer to tell us this.
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- We're talking about an
invite-only situation here.
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And people that attend
these things are big time.
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Guests have to sign a
non-disclosure agreement.
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I wanted to make sure I
wouldn't get in trouble.
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- And what kind of things
are going on at this party
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that people have to sign an NDA?
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- Nothing bad.
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It's just a way to create
safe space for powerful
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and, you know, famous
people to relax,
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expanding the mind to
break old paradigms.
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- And by expanding
the mind, you mean...
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taking ketamine, mushrooms?
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We're Homicide detectives, okay?
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We're not here to bust you
for recreational drug use.
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- Yeah.
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Everyone parties.
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And at some point,
Evan got worried
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supplies were running low,
so he left for a re-up.
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But he never came back.
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Then someone looked down and saw
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the police cars on the street.
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Everyone freaked out.
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So we left out the back
exit of the building.
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- Well, the point is,
my client and his wife
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were in the VenZip
offices on the 27th floor
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when Evan Marks was shot.
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- No, the point is, Counselor,
your client has to prove it.
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[upbeat dance music playing]
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♪ ♪
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- The planet is gonna run
out of water, like, soon.
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That's something everyone
needs to survive.
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- Whoever figures that out
is gonna make a lot of money.
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- And change the world.
- And change the world.
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- That's the video Craig
Walsh shot at the party.
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- People are higher than
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the Chrysler Building
in that thing.
257
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- Maybe so, but the
time stamp proves
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that they were at the
party when Marks was shot.
259
00:11:02,930 --> 00:11:07,270
- So if Marks was killed over a
woman, it wasn't Lacy Stevens.
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- Doesn't look like it.
261
00:11:09,150 --> 00:11:12,190
- Yeah, but those Lifestyle
parties are basically just
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orgies for tech nerds, right?
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Odds are Lacy
wasn't the only one
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he was romantically
involved with.
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[knocking]
- Hey.
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I scrubbed through
Marks's phone and email
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like you asked, looking for
other possible girlfriends,
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and I might have something.
269
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I found several references
to a woman named Eva,
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messages that he sent
to friends saying
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he couldn't wait to
introduce them to her.
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- You get a last name?
- Negative.
273
00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:35,970
And I also couldn't find any
Eva in his contact lists.
274
00:11:36,010 --> 00:11:37,986
- What's the over/under
this Eva also has a husband?
275
00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:39,810
- You know, Craig Walsh
did eventually give up
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the contact info for the
woman who runs the invite list
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for those Lifestyle parties.
278
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- Let's go talk to her.
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If she made up the guest list,
maybe she knows who Eva is.
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00:11:51,650 --> 00:11:53,190
- Never heard of her.
281
00:11:53,230 --> 00:11:55,256
- But you're the one who puts
these parties together, right?
282
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- I'm not a party promoter.
283
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I'm a psychedelic doula.
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- And that entails
what, exactly?
285
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- I curate bespoke experiences
for high-end clients
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interested in exploring
the psychological
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and intellectual benefits
of psychotropic substances.
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- You do realize
that those substances
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are against the law?
290
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- I neither provide
nor partake myself.
291
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Everything I do is
perfectly legal.
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Clients come to me, and I
coordinate groups whose auras
293
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are a good match and make
arrangements for them
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to exchange energies and ideas.
295
00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:30,770
- This aura matching, it never
involved a woman named Eva?
296
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- No.
297
00:12:32,150 --> 00:12:33,496
- What about any men that
might have had an issue
298
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with Marks's relationships
with other women?
299
00:12:35,730 --> 00:12:37,690
- Evan did mention
that earlier that day
300
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he'd gotten into a
big fight with James,
301
00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,410
his business partner.
302
00:12:41,450 --> 00:12:43,030
- You mean James Sawyer?
- Yeah.
303
00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:45,160
Evan said the fight was intense.
304
00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,080
Apparently, James was so upset
he punched a hole in the wall.
305
00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,080
- Did Evan ever tell you
what the fight was about?
306
00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,540
- No, but I do know
that James does not
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approve of the Lifestyle.
308
00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:56,920
He's very uptight...
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much more the type to be
territorial over a woman.
310
00:13:03,390 --> 00:13:06,140
- I'm sorry, Mr. Sawyer, but
your plane's been grounded,
311
00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:07,310
and I'm being told to wait.
312
00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:09,310
- I wanna talk to your manager.
313
00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:12,020
- You can talk to us.
314
00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:15,020
Hi. Detective Riley.
This is Detective Shaw.
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00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:16,520
We tried stopping
by your office,
316
00:13:16,570 --> 00:13:17,586
and your assistant
told us were making
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a little unexpected trip.
318
00:13:18,730 --> 00:13:19,940
- Did you ground my plane?
319
00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:21,176
- It seems like
you're in a rush.
320
00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,700
Where you headed?
- Why does that matter?
321
00:13:23,740 --> 00:13:25,570
- Let's go have a little
talk over here, okay?
322
00:13:28,370 --> 00:13:30,410
- Word on the street is
that you and Evan Marks
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00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:32,080
had quite the fight last night.
324
00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,710
- We had an argument.
It's not uncommon.
325
00:13:34,750 --> 00:13:36,290
We're both passionate people.
326
00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:37,670
- You guys argue about a woman?
327
00:13:37,710 --> 00:13:39,590
- A woman? No.
328
00:13:39,630 --> 00:13:41,670
If word got out that
the C-suite is throwing
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drug-fueled sex parties
at corporate HQ,
330
00:13:44,130 --> 00:13:45,430
it's gonna be a problem.
331
00:13:45,470 --> 00:13:46,970
- Marks didn't agree?
332
00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:48,656
- Evan didn't care that
his Burning Man nonsense
333
00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:50,640
doesn't exactly
fly with investors.
334
00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:53,140
But if you think I
had anything to do
335
00:13:53,190 --> 00:13:55,480
with what happened,
you're crazy.
336
00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,770
Evan wasn't just my
business partner.
337
00:13:57,820 --> 00:13:59,320
He was my best friend.
338
00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,610
- If you had nothing to do
with his murder, why skip town?
339
00:14:02,650 --> 00:14:04,820
- I'm not skipping town.
340
00:14:04,860 --> 00:14:07,950
I'm flying to San Francisco
to meet with a crisis PR team.
341
00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:10,660
Evan's death sent the
company's stock into a spiral.
342
00:14:10,700 --> 00:14:12,080
I'm gonna go
mitigate the fallout.
343
00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,636
- All right, where
were you last night?
344
00:14:13,660 --> 00:14:16,380
- D.C. Flew back this morning.
345
00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:19,960
Look, Evan was like
a brother to me,
346
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,340
which meant sometimes we
fought like brothers too.
347
00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:25,260
- You guys ever fight over Eva?
348
00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:26,970
- Eva?
349
00:14:27,010 --> 00:14:29,470
No, that was completely
under Evan's purview.
350
00:14:29,510 --> 00:14:32,020
I didn't really get involved.
351
00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:33,890
What does Eva have to
do with any of this?
352
00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:35,940
- You tell us. We don't
even know who she is.
353
00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:40,110
- Eva isn't a woman.
354
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:42,150
She's a software program,
355
00:14:42,190 --> 00:14:44,610
specifically artificial
intelligence.
356
00:14:44,650 --> 00:14:47,570
She's the most advanced
AI ever achieved.
357
00:14:47,620 --> 00:14:52,080
♪ ♪
358
00:14:57,870 --> 00:15:00,595
- Allow me to
introduce you to EVA,
359
00:15:00,620 --> 00:15:03,290
short for Electronic
Virtual Assistant.
360
00:15:03,330 --> 00:15:05,250
She's artificial
intelligence on a level
361
00:15:05,290 --> 00:15:07,670
no one's ever seen before.
362
00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:09,840
- You and Evan Marks ever
have any disagreements
363
00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,590
about her or it?
364
00:15:12,630 --> 00:15:14,220
- Research shows
that people prefer
365
00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:17,050
giving artificial intelligence
a female name and pronouns.
366
00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:18,470
Makes it less creepy.
367
00:15:18,510 --> 00:15:20,520
- You still didn't
answer my question.
368
00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,770
- No, I didn't have
any problems with Evan
369
00:15:22,810 --> 00:15:24,480
wanting to implement EVA.
370
00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,900
Honestly, I think it's exciting.
371
00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:28,360
But it was controversial.
372
00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,480
There are definitely people
who felt differently.
373
00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:32,546
- What was Evan Marks doing
that was so controversial?
374
00:15:32,570 --> 00:15:34,860
- As the name implies,
EVA was initially designed
375
00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:37,120
to assist our engineers
and programmers.
376
00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,280
But she's self-learning.
377
00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:42,290
And within months, she
advanced exponentially
378
00:15:42,330 --> 00:15:44,000
beyond her initial capabilities.
379
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,960
The program is self-iterative,
and its processes operate
380
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,380
in a kind of black box.
381
00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:51,226
There's no real way for us
to track what algorithms
382
00:15:51,250 --> 00:15:52,840
she's using to evolve.
383
00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,880
- Not my area of expertise, but
doesn't that seem concerning?
384
00:15:55,930 --> 00:15:57,510
- Hence the controversy.
385
00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:58,696
- Aren't there
regulations in place
386
00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,510
around this kind of thing?
- Not really.
387
00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,270
Evan was a big
proponent of seeing
388
00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:04,850
how far EVA could go on her own.
389
00:16:04,890 --> 00:16:07,166
The goal is for her to assist
the engineers and programmers,
390
00:16:07,190 --> 00:16:09,650
but she can actually
do their jobs.
391
00:16:09,690 --> 00:16:10,900
- Except faster.
392
00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:12,230
- And for free.
393
00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,046
- That must have pissed
off a lot of employees.
394
00:16:14,070 --> 00:16:18,030
- Yeah, about 200 of them.
395
00:16:18,070 --> 00:16:19,570
[elevator dings]
396
00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:21,790
- Last week, Evan
Marks fired over half
397
00:16:21,830 --> 00:16:24,330
of his company's engineers
and replaced them
398
00:16:24,370 --> 00:16:26,710
with the EVA AI system.
399
00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:29,380
- So you're saying
that when our witness
400
00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:31,460
overheard Marks's killer say,
401
00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:32,960
"You're turning her against me,"
402
00:16:33,010 --> 00:16:35,090
he was talking about
a computer program?
403
00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:36,550
- That's what we're thinking.
404
00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:38,720
- And according to Kevin
Wu, the operations manager,
405
00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,560
Marks was ruthless about
the layoffs, right?
406
00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,430
He kicked out 200
employees on their asses
407
00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:45,180
just like that without warning.
408
00:16:45,230 --> 00:16:47,890
According to him, the future
left these people behind.
409
00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,770
- All that mind
expanding he had done
410
00:16:49,810 --> 00:16:51,820
led him to innovating
beyond human empathy.
411
00:16:51,860 --> 00:16:54,070
- That's a lot of
suspects to sort through.
412
00:16:54,110 --> 00:16:55,360
- It is.
413
00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,150
However, we can put
one of those suspects
414
00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,450
at the crime scene.
415
00:16:58,490 --> 00:16:59,990
So Wu gave us all
the data he had
416
00:17:00,030 --> 00:17:02,030
on all the fired employees,
and it turns out,
417
00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,500
the former chief
programmer Ben Stafford
418
00:17:05,540 --> 00:17:08,750
used his key card at
the VenZip offices
419
00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:10,960
the night Marks was murdered.
420
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,896
- We checked with our
psychedelic doula friend too.
421
00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,630
She confirmed he
definitely was not
422
00:17:14,670 --> 00:17:16,590
on the list for the
Lifestyle party that night.
423
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:18,760
- I can do you one
better. Listen to this.
424
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,430
Stafford posted this
on his social media
425
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:21,850
the day before the murder.
426
00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:24,220
"Evan Marks will be the
downfall of humanity
427
00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:25,680
"as we know it.
428
00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,600
He's a plague that needs to
be eradicated immediately."
429
00:17:29,650 --> 00:17:31,650
- That's enough for
a search warrant.
430
00:17:31,690 --> 00:17:33,610
Why don't you see
what you can turn up?
431
00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:36,320
[suspenseful music]
432
00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:37,586
- No, no, no, don't touch that.
433
00:17:37,610 --> 00:17:39,256
- Whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa. Back up. All right?
434
00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,820
Just stay where you are.
435
00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:42,450
- This is insane.
436
00:17:42,490 --> 00:17:44,030
I was just blowing off steam.
437
00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,580
I wasn't saying I was
actually gonna kill him.
438
00:17:46,620 --> 00:17:48,096
- Then what were you doing
at the VenZip offices
439
00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:49,410
the night of the murder?
440
00:17:49,460 --> 00:17:51,096
- I... I don't know what
you're talking about.
441
00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,540
- Right.
- Detectives?
442
00:17:52,580 --> 00:17:55,090
We found this in the
dumpster behind the building.
443
00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:57,010
- 9 millimeter.
- Yep.
444
00:17:57,050 --> 00:17:59,026
- That means we're gonna
finish this little conversation
445
00:17:59,050 --> 00:18:00,800
of ours downtown, okay?
446
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,140
Let's go.
447
00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:05,970
- Ballistic tests prove
that the gun that we found
448
00:18:06,010 --> 00:18:08,810
was the one used to kill Marks,
the guy who had just fired you.
449
00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:11,140
- We know you were there.
Just tell us what happened.
450
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:14,230
- Any chance I could get
some of my medication?
451
00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:15,900
- Medication?
You mean the, uh,
452
00:18:15,940 --> 00:18:18,990
the Adderall that we found when
we searched your apartment?
453
00:18:19,030 --> 00:18:20,876
You're gonna have to produce
a doctor's prescription,
454
00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,200
because the bottle that we found
455
00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,296
had no pharmacist label on it.
456
00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,870
- I don't have a prescription.
457
00:18:25,910 --> 00:18:27,410
- Then you don't
get the Adderall.
458
00:18:28,790 --> 00:18:31,160
- It helps me think straight.
459
00:18:31,210 --> 00:18:32,330
- How about this?
460
00:18:32,370 --> 00:18:34,170
I'm happy to get you an aspirin,
461
00:18:34,210 --> 00:18:36,500
but until you start
telling us the truth,
462
00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:38,170
it's the best I can do.
463
00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:42,340
- Ben, come on.
464
00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:44,010
I'm looking at
you, and I can tell
465
00:18:44,050 --> 00:18:47,600
that this is not easy to keep
this all bottled up inside.
466
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,390
[apprehensive music]
467
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:52,350
You're not a bad guy, are you?
468
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:57,570
♪ ♪
469
00:18:57,610 --> 00:18:59,030
- I brought the
gun to scare him.
470
00:18:59,070 --> 00:19:02,030
I just wanted him to give
everyone their jobs back.
471
00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:05,160
- Guy like that, he
wouldn't listen, would he?
472
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,160
- No.
473
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,870
The only people he cares
about are his rich friends.
474
00:19:10,910 --> 00:19:12,580
Because of him,
hundreds of people
475
00:19:12,620 --> 00:19:14,306
aren't gonna be able to
support their families.
476
00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:17,840
Meanwhile, he's just up in
his office, throwing a party.
477
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,710
He wouldn't even have a company
478
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,510
if it wasn't for
the work we all did.
479
00:19:22,550 --> 00:19:24,050
- Okay, good.
480
00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:27,050
So, you had an argument.
481
00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:29,390
- Uh...
482
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:32,680
I was so angry.
483
00:19:32,730 --> 00:19:34,270
It just wasn't fair.
484
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:39,610
♪ ♪
485
00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:42,820
Next thing I knew...
486
00:19:42,860 --> 00:19:48,160
I followed him to
the ATM, and I...
487
00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:52,040
I shot him.
488
00:19:55,170 --> 00:19:57,580
- Okay.
489
00:19:57,630 --> 00:19:59,040
- I'm so sorry.
490
00:19:59,090 --> 00:20:00,630
I didn't mean to.
491
00:20:00,670 --> 00:20:02,210
[knock at door]
- Come in.
492
00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:07,800
- Don't say another word.
493
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,100
I'm Mr. Stafford's attorney.
This interview is over.
494
00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:13,270
- Ben Stafford, you
are under arrest
495
00:20:13,310 --> 00:20:15,520
for the murder of Evan Marks.
496
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,980
You have the right
to remain silent
497
00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:20,020
and refuse to answer
questions, do you understand?
498
00:20:22,696 --> 00:20:24,352
- People v. Benjamin Stafford,
499
00:20:24,377 --> 00:20:26,717
charging murder in
the second degree.
500
00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:30,120
- How does the defendant plea?
501
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,830
- Not guilty, Your Honor.
502
00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:33,460
- Tyrone, I'll hear you on bail.
503
00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:36,460
- Your Honor, Ben Stafford
shot and killed Evan Marks
504
00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:39,380
as retribution for
Marks firing him.
505
00:20:39,420 --> 00:20:42,170
We cannot only place the
defendant near the crime scene
506
00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:43,470
around the time of the murder
507
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:45,220
and tie the murder
weapon to him,
508
00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:48,930
but Stafford himself
confessed to detectives.
509
00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:51,350
Stafford lacks deep
ties to the community
510
00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:54,560
and is facing a potential
25-year sentence,
511
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,770
making him a
serious flight risk.
512
00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:58,230
We ask for remand.
513
00:20:58,270 --> 00:21:00,150
- Police coerced
a false confession
514
00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:02,610
from an innocent man
under extreme duress,
515
00:21:02,650 --> 00:21:05,320
an innocent man with no
criminal history, I might add.
516
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:06,820
We are confident
that Mr. Stafford
517
00:21:06,860 --> 00:21:08,950
will be fully exonerated
and ask that he be released
518
00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:10,080
on his own recognizance.
519
00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,870
- Bail set at 1 million.
520
00:21:11,910 --> 00:21:13,910
[gavel bangs] Next case.
521
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,040
[indistinct chatter]
522
00:21:19,420 --> 00:21:21,380
- The jury is never gonna
hear that confession.
523
00:21:26,130 --> 00:21:27,590
- Look, how about this?
524
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:28,906
I'm happy to get you an aspirin,
525
00:21:28,930 --> 00:21:30,236
but until you start
telling us the truth,
526
00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:32,680
that's the best I can do.
527
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,560
- Ben Stafford developed
a physical dependency
528
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,110
on Adderall as a result
of the grueling hours
529
00:21:39,150 --> 00:21:40,940
and high performance
expectations
530
00:21:40,980 --> 00:21:42,530
of his job at VenZip.
531
00:21:42,570 --> 00:21:45,150
During the interrogation, he
was suffering from withdrawal.
532
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:46,990
He made multiple
requests for the drug.
533
00:21:47,030 --> 00:21:48,610
- In the course of
an interrogation,
534
00:21:48,660 --> 00:21:51,490
the suspect requested
an illegally procured
535
00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:54,700
controlled substance and
detectives, following protocol,
536
00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:56,120
denied the request.
537
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,540
- Police capitalized on my
client's compromised state
538
00:21:58,580 --> 00:22:00,880
by dangling a promise
of access to the pills
539
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,380
in exchange for a confession.
540
00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,316
He would have confessed
to anything in that moment
541
00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:05,986
if it meant he'd get a fix,
and Detective Riley knew it.
542
00:22:06,010 --> 00:22:07,630
- Riley made no such promise.
543
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,260
- "Until you tell us the truth,
that's the best I can do."
544
00:22:11,850 --> 00:22:13,350
It was heavily implied.
545
00:22:13,390 --> 00:22:17,190
- That is a wild distortion
of Detective Riley's words.
546
00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:20,730
- I understand that
the detective may not
547
00:22:20,770 --> 00:22:23,820
have intended to
imply a quid pro quo,
548
00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:25,230
but there's sufficient evidence
549
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,200
to support the argument
that the defendant...
550
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,650
in his altered state...
551
00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:31,370
interpreted it as such,
making the confession
552
00:22:31,410 --> 00:22:34,990
involuntarily coerced and
inherently unreliable.
553
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,370
- Your Honor...
- The confession is out.
554
00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:39,420
[suspenseful music]
555
00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:42,170
- So you have a defendant
who confessed to the crime,
556
00:22:42,210 --> 00:22:44,750
but the jury doesn't
get to know that.
557
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,220
Can we get a conviction
without the confession?
558
00:22:48,260 --> 00:22:49,800
- I think so.
559
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,850
Stafford's key card puts
him at the VenZip offices
560
00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:54,850
right after midnight on
the night of the murder.
561
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:56,930
Marks was shot right
outside the building.
562
00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:58,980
- And Stafford had already
cleared out his office
563
00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:00,690
the week before.
564
00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:02,230
They're gonna have
trouble coming up
565
00:23:02,270 --> 00:23:04,320
with a viable explanation
for him being there
566
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,530
other than confronting Marks,
especially at that hour.
567
00:23:06,570 --> 00:23:09,360
- Plus, the murder weapon was
recovered in his dumpster,
568
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,886
and you add to that
the clear-cut motive.
569
00:23:10,910 --> 00:23:12,160
Yes, I still think we can win.
570
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,370
- Just be careful.
571
00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:16,330
The motive, in this
case, has the potential
572
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:18,450
to hurt as much as help.
573
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:23,330
Fear of losing one's livelihood
to AI is pervasive these days.
574
00:23:23,380 --> 00:23:26,250
All I'm saying, Nolan,
is, it's gonna be easier
575
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:27,840
to sympathize with the defendant
576
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,680
than the billionaire who
fired hundreds of employees.
577
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,390
Humanize the victim,
and remind them
578
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:38,810
Ben Stafford is the
villain in this story.
579
00:23:38,850 --> 00:23:42,600
♪ ♪
580
00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:45,730
- Mr. Sawyer, you were present
when Evan Marks notified
581
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:47,820
the defendant that the
company was letting him go,
582
00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:50,320
is that correct?
- I was.
583
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:53,530
As co-founders, Evan and I
took our responsibilities
584
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:55,700
to our employees very seriously.
585
00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:59,290
We wanted to deliver the
news as humanely as possible.
586
00:23:59,330 --> 00:24:01,660
- And how did the
defendant react?
587
00:24:01,710 --> 00:24:03,210
- He was furious.
588
00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:06,750
He threw a fit,
screaming, making threats.
589
00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:09,550
It was a lot to take given
that it was his fault that
590
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:11,670
it was happening
in the first place.
591
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,590
- How so?
592
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:14,640
- He was the one
who created EVA.
593
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,430
- That's the artificial
intelligence program
594
00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:18,760
that the company is now using?
595
00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:21,230
- Yes, we discovered
that he had essentially
596
00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:23,940
designed the software
to do his job for him.
597
00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:27,940
He thought he was clever,
that he could just sit around
598
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:30,360
and do nothing while
collecting a big fat paycheck.
599
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,150
- The defendant wasn't
the only employee
600
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,160
that you and Marks
replaced with EVA.
601
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,660
- Unfortunately,
the software did
602
00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:37,830
make a number of jobs at
the company redundant,
603
00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:41,200
and we struggled with
what to do with that,
604
00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:42,910
Evan more than me, even.
605
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,380
But ultimately, he felt
we had a responsibility
606
00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:48,630
to push the boundaries
of science and technology
607
00:24:48,670 --> 00:24:53,380
that through innovation,
some sort of utopia
608
00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:54,720
could be reached.
609
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,470
- When you say
that the defendant
610
00:24:56,510 --> 00:25:01,180
made threats to Marks,
what did he say, exactly?
611
00:25:01,220 --> 00:25:02,810
- He got right up in Evan's face
612
00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:05,310
and said he was gonna
pay for what he'd done.
613
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:06,900
- Thank you.
614
00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:08,400
No further questions.
615
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,320
- Mr. Sawyer, how
would you characterize
616
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,820
your relationship
with Evan Marks?
617
00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:18,620
- He was my best friend.
618
00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:20,330
- And on the business side,
619
00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:21,910
things between
you two were good?
620
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:25,500
- We had the perfect
complement of skill sets.
621
00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:27,460
Evan excelled at the
big picture stuff,
622
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,000
while I'm good at executing.
623
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,630
- Mr. Sawyer, do you
recognize these emails?
624
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:41,640
- It looks like
correspondences between myself
625
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,116
and some of our
company board members.
626
00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:44,680
- Objection, relevance.
627
00:25:44,730 --> 00:25:48,440
- These emails establish that
Mr. Sawyer is not being honest
628
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,996
with the court about
the state of affairs
629
00:25:50,020 --> 00:25:51,046
between him and Evan Marks.
630
00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:52,230
- Overruled.
631
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:55,860
- What was the nature
of these exchanges?
632
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:57,820
- I reached out to some
of our board members
633
00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:59,660
to see if I could
rely on their support.
634
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:01,990
- Because Evan Marks was trying
635
00:26:02,030 --> 00:26:03,700
to push you out of the company?
636
00:26:03,740 --> 00:26:04,830
- Yes.
637
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:06,710
He'd discussed that
with a few people.
638
00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:08,580
- He felt like you
were holding him back,
639
00:26:08,620 --> 00:26:12,380
squelching his creative
genius, isn't that correct?
640
00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:14,880
- We were in the process
of sorting it all out.
641
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,220
- What did you discover in your
communication with the board?
642
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:19,970
- That I...
643
00:26:20,010 --> 00:26:23,260
[tense music]
644
00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:25,140
I didn't have the
support I'd imagined.
645
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:27,560
- Meaning Marks
could effectively
646
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,940
fire you at any time?
647
00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:31,900
- Yes.
648
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:33,730
- But now that he's dead,
649
00:26:33,770 --> 00:26:37,240
you've been appointed
sole CEO, correct?
650
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,240
- If you're trying to imply
651
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,990
that I'm the one
who killed Evan,
652
00:26:42,030 --> 00:26:44,410
you're wasting your time.
653
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:46,450
I was in D.C. the
night he was shot.
654
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:47,726
- That doesn't mean you
couldn't pay somebody
655
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:49,346
to do your dirty work.
- Objection, Your Honor.
656
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:50,516
The defense is
trying to suggest...
657
00:26:50,540 --> 00:26:53,250
- She's not suggesting,
she's asserting.
658
00:26:53,290 --> 00:26:56,130
James Sawyer killed Evan Marks.
659
00:26:56,170 --> 00:26:57,760
- Objection.
- Sustained.
660
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,930
Please disregard defense
counsel's statement.
661
00:26:59,970 --> 00:27:05,970
♪ ♪
662
00:27:06,850 --> 00:27:10,440
- You hung me out
to dry up there.
663
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,206
- I had no way of knowing
they were coming for you.
664
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:15,690
- Because you didn't tell
us what was really going on.
665
00:27:15,730 --> 00:27:19,150
- How did the defense know
about Marks's power grab?
666
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,910
- Great question.
667
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:22,320
I have no idea.
668
00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:24,080
Those were all company emails.
669
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,990
- Do you think Stafford
hacked your server?
670
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,120
- For all I know, he
had EVA do it for him.
671
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,420
They're trying to make it
look like I killed Evan.
672
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:33,630
That's insane.
673
00:27:33,670 --> 00:27:35,130
He's gonna get away with murder.
674
00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:41,170
♪ ♪
675
00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:44,470
- Tell Detective Riley
676
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:46,600
we're calling him
first thing tomorrow.
677
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,810
We need to refocus the jury.
678
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:51,940
Remind them who
the real killer is.
679
00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:54,860
- Like it or not, Nolan,
the defense just offered up
680
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:58,360
a perfectly plausible
alternative suspect.
681
00:28:04,803 --> 00:28:07,164
- Detective Riley, in the
course of your investigation,
682
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:08,672
you discovered
that the defendant
683
00:28:08,697 --> 00:28:10,730
had been present at
the VenZip offices
684
00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:12,860
the night Evan Marks was
murdered, is that correct?
685
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,490
- Yes, he entered the
building at 12:14 a.m.
686
00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:18,070
- And Evan Marks was shot
right outside of there
687
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:19,320
not long after that.
688
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:21,120
- Which is why the
defendant immediately
689
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,490
became a person of interest.
690
00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:24,080
We then uncovered
a series of threats
691
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,766
that he had made against
Marks, so we executed
692
00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:27,210
a search warrant
of his apartment.
693
00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:28,500
- And what did you find?
694
00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:29,920
- We found a 9-millimeter pistol
695
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,590
in the dumpster
behind his building.
696
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:34,920
- Is this the gun
that you found?
697
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,170
- That's the one.
698
00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:39,050
- And did you run ballistic
tests on this gun?
699
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:40,220
- We did.
700
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:41,220
They confirmed that
it was, in fact,
701
00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:42,406
the weapon used to kill Marks.
702
00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:44,390
- Thank you. No
further questions.
703
00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:47,390
[tense music]
704
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,020
♪ ♪
705
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:51,690
- Is there any evidence...
other than the keycard data...
706
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:55,240
that my client was in
the office that night?
707
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,700
For example, security video?
708
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:59,280
- No, Evan Marks had turned off
709
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,506
the security cameras that night.
710
00:29:00,530 --> 00:29:01,886
- So that there
would be no evidence
711
00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:04,370
of his illicit sex party
filled with illegal drugs?
712
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:06,160
- Objection, calls
for speculation.
713
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,330
- Sustained.
714
00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:10,290
- Were Ben Stafford's
fingerprints
715
00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:11,420
on the gun that you found?
716
00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:13,590
- No, it had been wiped clean.
717
00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:14,800
- No further questions.
718
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:22,050
- Detective, was the dumpster
where you recovered the gun
719
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:23,680
accessible to just anyone?
720
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,286
- It was not. It was
behind a locked gate.
721
00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:27,270
- Well, who had a
key to that gate?
722
00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:28,600
- Only the tenants.
723
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,150
- Do any of the tenants...
other than Ben Stafford...
724
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:33,310
have any ties to Evan Marks?
725
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,770
- None that we could ascertain.
726
00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:36,320
- Thank you.
727
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,110
The prosecution rests.
728
00:29:38,150 --> 00:29:40,200
- You may call your first
witness, Ms. Greenough.
729
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,410
- Your Honor, the defense calls
Ben Stafford to the stand.
730
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,660
- I had nothing to do with
what happened to Evan.
731
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:50,790
- Then how do you explain
all of the evidence
732
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:53,080
that the prosecution
has laid out?
733
00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:56,630
- I'M being set up by
James Sawyer again.
734
00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:58,210
- What do you mean again?
735
00:29:58,260 --> 00:29:59,760
- Well, about six months ago,
736
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,970
James and Evan called
me into a meeting.
737
00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:03,970
They were frustrated
that the company's
738
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:07,310
engineers and programmers
weren't working fast enough.
739
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:09,020
It was absurd.
740
00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:13,900
Everyone was working 16 hours
a day, seven days a week.
741
00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:16,650
I had to take Adderall
just to keep up.
742
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:18,400
- What did they wanna discuss?
743
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,700
- They wanted me to
create an AI program
744
00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:24,450
to carry some of the workload,
make things go faster.
745
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:25,780
- And what did you say?
746
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:28,580
- I had real reservations
about the idea.
747
00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:31,370
There were obvious
ethical implications,
748
00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:33,170
but also, I didn't
want to be responsible
749
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:36,170
for putting my coworkers'
jobs in jeopardy.
750
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:38,300
But James and Evan made clear
751
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:39,710
they'd fire me if
I didn't do it.
752
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,670
- So you did what they demanded.
753
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,010
- And they ended up
firing me anyway.
754
00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:47,560
And then when they
fired everyone else,
755
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,020
they told them that
it was my fault,
756
00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:56,060
that I created EVA on my own
so I didn't have to work.
757
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,440
- They made you the fall guy.
- Exactly.
758
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,610
And now James Sawyer
is doing it again.
759
00:31:02,650 --> 00:31:06,030
I was at home, asleep
in my bed that night.
760
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:08,200
I've never fired
a gun in my life.
761
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,620
- But your key card...
762
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:13,080
- Easiest thing in
the world to clone.
763
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,670
My ten-year-old
niece could do it.
764
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:16,500
- Well, what about the gun?
765
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:18,186
It was found behind
your apartment building.
766
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,420
- James has access to
my personnel files.
767
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:22,720
He knows where I live.
768
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,880
- But according
to the detective,
769
00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:27,050
you need a key to
access the dumpster.
770
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,970
- Half the time nobody
remembers to lock that gate,
771
00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:33,440
and even if it's locked,
it's not hard to bypass.
772
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,230
I swear, I'm being set up here.
773
00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:38,940
I'm innocent.
774
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:42,400
- No further questions.
775
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,360
[tense music]
776
00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:49,530
♪ ♪
777
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:52,290
- So...
[clears throat]
778
00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:53,790
By your own admission,
779
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:57,170
you had plenty of reason
to want Evan Marks dead.
780
00:31:57,210 --> 00:32:00,090
He fired you and made you
781
00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:01,920
the fall guy for all
the other layoffs.
782
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,760
And, in fact, you made
multiple threats against him,
783
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,140
both online and in
person, isn't that true?
784
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:10,680
- Which is how James knew
I'd be the perfect patsy.
785
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,680
- So we're to believe
that James Sawyer,
786
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,140
one of the most respected
787
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:16,690
and accomplished
businessmen of our time,
788
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:19,270
somehow arranged the murder
789
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,900
of his closest friend
and business partner
790
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:25,900
and then created some
elaborate scheme to frame you?
791
00:32:25,950 --> 00:32:27,950
- That's who these people are.
792
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:33,620
Evan Marks and James Sawyer,
they're all monsters.
793
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:38,880
They use honest,
hard-working people as pawns.
794
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,630
I'm just one more
meaningless no one
795
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:46,090
easily sacrificed
so that James Sawyer
796
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:50,640
can gain more power
and more profit.
797
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,810
And the thing is, guys like him,
798
00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:56,230
they always get
away with it too.
799
00:32:56,270 --> 00:33:02,270
♪ ♪
800
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:05,990
- That was a hell
of a performance.
801
00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:08,320
If I hadn't seen Stafford's
confession with my own eyes...
802
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,820
- I know.
803
00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:12,240
- Good, caught you.
- What's going on?
804
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,870
- There's something
I need you to see.
805
00:33:13,910 --> 00:33:16,290
Is there an office we can go to?
806
00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:17,910
Our offices were in the process
807
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,370
of upgrading our security system
808
00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:21,040
right before Evan was murdered.
809
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,960
So I took a look at
one of the new cameras
810
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,300
on the exterior of the building.
811
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:29,880
There's a direct shot of the
ATM where Evan was murdered.
812
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:32,800
- How the hell did police miss
that in their initial canvass?
813
00:33:32,850 --> 00:33:34,286
- Camera's so tiny,
you can't even see it
814
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:35,770
unless you to look for it.
815
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:37,980
But it was
operational that night
816
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:39,940
even though it wasn't
on the mainframe,
817
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:42,770
meaning that it wasn't
logged into the system.
818
00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:45,730
[suspenseful music]
819
00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:51,780
♪ ♪
820
00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:57,540
That's Ben Stafford,
clear as day.
821
00:33:57,580 --> 00:34:00,210
- Oh, my God.
822
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:02,080
We got him.
823
00:34:11,170 --> 00:34:14,358
- Hey. You're in early.
824
00:34:14,532 --> 00:34:16,822
- Yeah, I couldn't sleep.
825
00:34:17,050 --> 00:34:19,720
Something was bugging me.
826
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,850
Look at this.
827
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:27,690
- What am I missing?
828
00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:29,190
- Well, this entire trial,
829
00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:32,020
Stafford has been
taking meticulous notes
830
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,780
as people testify, you noticed?
831
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:37,150
- Yeah. Just figured he was...
832
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,700
[suspenseful music]
833
00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:40,450
Oh.
834
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:43,040
Stafford is left-handed.
835
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,500
- But the shooter in this
video is using his right hand.
836
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,090
- So what, you're worried
the video isn't real?
837
00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:54,590
- The defense blaming James
Sawyer for Marks's murder
838
00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:57,840
is the top headline in news
outlets across the country.
839
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,100
What are the chances
that Sawyer just happens
840
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:04,140
to be the one to find the
perfect piece of evidence,
841
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:07,850
evidence that nails Stafford
and clears his name?
842
00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:10,020
- I get what you're saying.
843
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:13,150
He is the CEO.
844
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:15,030
They got all kinds
of security cameras.
845
00:35:15,070 --> 00:35:17,070
- But he didn't find the
video until yesterday?
846
00:35:17,110 --> 00:35:19,570
- I know the timing
is convenient,
847
00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:21,780
but it doesn't prove anything.
848
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:23,240
- No.
849
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,910
But given Sawyer's access
to advanced technology,
850
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:28,870
a deepfake video of this caliber
851
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,880
isn't outside the
realm of possibility.
852
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:35,300
- So what do you wanna do?
853
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:39,340
- I am going to ask
for a continuance
854
00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:43,430
while you get clarity on
the video's authenticity.
855
00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:46,520
- ITB used every tool they
have to analyze this thing,
856
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,890
but the results
were inconclusive.
857
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,480
- So they can't tell
if it's real or fake.
858
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,520
- I mean, the biggest
giveaway would be here.
859
00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:57,360
For whatever reason,
even the most advanced AI
860
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,490
still struggles to render human
hands and fingers correctly.
861
00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:04,030
But from this far away
and at this resolution,
862
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,910
it's impossible
to zoom in enough
863
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:07,950
to see Stafford's
hands in detail.
864
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,750
- That could be by design
to avoid detection.
865
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:12,580
- It could be.
866
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:14,380
It could also just
be a coincidence
867
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:15,840
that the camera
is that far away.
868
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,970
- Yeah, well, the problem is,
869
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:22,050
the coincidences are
really piling up here.
870
00:36:22,090 --> 00:36:23,800
- If this is a
deepfake, it is one
871
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,720
of the best ones I've seen.
872
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,850
But we just can't
say conclusively
873
00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:31,020
one way or the other.
874
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:32,600
- [knocks] Hey.
875
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:35,230
So, um, Riley and
Shaw went back out
876
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:36,650
to the VenZip offices.
877
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:38,860
They confirmed that
there is, in fact,
878
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:41,740
a camera on the exterior of
the building facing the ATM.
879
00:36:41,780 --> 00:36:44,570
- Is there any way to
verify how long that camera
880
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:46,030
has actually been there?
881
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,330
- There is documentation
alleging when it was installed,
882
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:53,080
but that would be
easier to manufacture
883
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,080
than a video, so...
884
00:36:54,130 --> 00:36:56,590
- So no.
- Correct.
885
00:36:56,630 --> 00:37:01,380
- Which means we don't
actually know that it's false.
886
00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:04,590
- We don't know that
it's real, either.
887
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,770
- If we don't present
the video, can we win?
888
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:11,180
- I'm not sure.
889
00:37:11,230 --> 00:37:14,230
It's a circumstantial case
with an unlikable victim.
890
00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:19,230
- And a likable defendant who
acts like he's the victim.
891
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,030
- If the defense wants
to challenge the video,
892
00:37:23,070 --> 00:37:25,410
they can call an
expert and debunk it.
893
00:37:25,450 --> 00:37:27,330
- Jack, we don't know
if it's actually real.
894
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:28,660
- It's up to the judge.
895
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:30,290
He can deny its admission,
896
00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:32,830
or he can leave
it up to the jury.
897
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:35,370
- But by presenting it,
we're vouching for it.
898
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:41,090
We are telling the jury
we believe it's real.
899
00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:42,800
I know Stafford is guilty.
900
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,380
He confessed, for God's sake,
but if we don't start drawing
901
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:48,350
the line between what's
real and what's not,
902
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:52,310
we'll be contributing to the
very problem that could...
903
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:55,310
hell, if every deepfake
video is admissible,
904
00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:57,650
we'll never get
another conviction.
905
00:37:57,690 --> 00:38:00,820
All the defense has to do is
show some perfectly credible
906
00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:02,860
video that disproves our case.
907
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,660
We have a duty here.
908
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:09,620
- Our duty is to the truth,
and the truth, in this case,
909
00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:13,120
is that Ben Stafford
murdered Evan Marks.
910
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,500
[apprehensive music]
911
00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:18,040
Use the video.
912
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,210
End of the day,
it's up to the jury
913
00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:24,670
to determine what the truth is.
914
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:30,720
♪ ♪
915
00:38:32,850 --> 00:38:34,140
- That's... that's not me.
916
00:38:34,180 --> 00:38:36,020
That's... no, I don't...
917
00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:39,230
- Sorry, you're... you're saying
that's not you in the video?
918
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:40,730
Right there.
919
00:38:40,770 --> 00:38:42,360
- No, I can see it's me.
920
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,320
It must be a deepfake.
921
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,030
- So it is you, but what, it's
the video that's not real?
922
00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:50,160
- First off, I'm left-handed.
923
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,700
- But your right
hand is functional.
924
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:53,556
You can certainly shoot
with that hand as well.
925
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:55,620
- Maybe, but I
don't, and I didn't.
926
00:38:55,660 --> 00:39:00,040
- So this video that we are
all looking at with our eyes,
927
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,040
you're saying, well,
that's not real.
928
00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:03,670
- Objection, asked and answered.
929
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:05,170
- Sustained.
930
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:07,340
- You're trying to
make it sound crazy,
931
00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:09,340
but with AI these days,
932
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:10,890
you can make
something like this.
933
00:39:10,930 --> 00:39:13,390
You don't even need to
doctor existing video.
934
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:15,560
You could just make
it whole cloth.
935
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,150
- So you'd have us believe
that your key card was cloned,
936
00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:21,900
that the murder
weapon was planted,
937
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:27,490
and now actual security footage
was created from thin air
938
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:31,160
using technology more advanced
than anyone here has ever seen,
939
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,990
all to frame you
when the simpler,
940
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:41,040
the more obvious answer is
that you murdered Evan Marks.
941
00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:43,420
[tense music]
942
00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:45,840
- Please, you have
to believe me.
943
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,430
- Mr. Stafford, why
should we believe you
944
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:54,600
over what we can see
with our own eyes?
945
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,640
♪ ♪
946
00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:13,370
- Mr. Foreperson, has the
jury reached a verdict?
947
00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:14,870
- We have, Your Honor.
948
00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:17,750
In the charge of murder
in the second degree,
949
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:22,080
we find the defendant,
Benjamin Stafford, guilty.
950
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,540
- Ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,
951
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:25,340
thank you for your service.
952
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:27,090
[gavel bangs]
953
00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:33,130
♪ ♪
954
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:51,860
- It was the right verdict,
put away a guilty man.
955
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:53,660
- Yeah.
956
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:58,830
But what happens the next
time or the time after that?
957
00:40:58,870 --> 00:41:01,330
This job was hard enough
when we knew the difference
958
00:41:01,370 --> 00:41:04,670
between real and fake.
959
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:06,710
But now?
960
00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:12,750
♪ ♪
961
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:22,270
[dramatic music]
962
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:28,310
♪ ♪
963
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:52,420
[wolf howls]
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