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- In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate, yet equally important groups:
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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- * Okay, stress me on checkers or chess *
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* I don't play by the rules if you guessed it *
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* We about to run it up, run it up *
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* We about to run it up, run it up, run *
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* We about to run it up, run it up *
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[engine revving] [alarm blaring]
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[tense music]
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* *
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[gun clicks]
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[siren wailing]
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- Hell of a way to start your day, huh?
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- Yeah, I'm not sure it's actually started yet.
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- Not a morning person?
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- Oh, I love a morning.
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4:00 a.m.? Still last night.
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What are we looking at?
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- Oh, DOA, took one in the chest.
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No wallet, no phone.
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Bodega owner down the street heard the shot around 2:00 a.m.
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and called it in but didn't see anything.
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- Okay.
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Pricey clothes.
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Bet he had an expensive watch too.
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- Yeah.
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Could be looking at an old-fashioned robbery.
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- Maybe. - Detectives.
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We found this in the bushes over there.
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- Thank you. - Empty.
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- So the killer took the cash, tossed the wallet.
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- Evan Marks.
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- The tech guy. - CEO of VenZip?
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- Damn, VenZip is how I pay for everything these days.
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You don't use it? - No, man.
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I'm not trusting my bank info to an app.
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- [laughs]
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Okay, so the headquarters is across the street.
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- He's at the office late.
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- The guy's a billionaire, bragging about the fact
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that he's about to single- handedly make cash obsolete.
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- So what's a guy like that doing at an ATM
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at 2:00 in the morning?
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[dramatic music]
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* *
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- Bank records confirm Evan Marks
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made a withdrawal from the ATM just before the shooting.
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Thanks.
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2 grand, maximum amount allowed.
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- That's a lot of money for that hour of night.
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- Mm.
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We're agreeing to call it night now.
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- Hey, does anyone know who James Sawyer is?
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- Yeah, he's like a god in the tech world.
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- Well, apparently, he is also a co-founder
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of our vic's company.
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- Evan Marks and James Sawyer are like the dream team
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of Silicon Valley-- or at least they were.
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- Well, Sawyer just posted this on his social media.
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"Evan Marks was one of the greatest minds
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"of our generation. The NYPD should be ashamed.
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"Violent street crime is out of control,
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and Evan's blood is on their hands."
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- So Marks's murder is somehow our fault now?
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- Well, apparently, according to James Sawyer, it is.
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- And that guy has got millions of followers
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that worship him as a genius.
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- And every one of them is reposting this nonsense.
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Look, we gotta wrap this up. What do we got?
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- We tried pinging Marks's stolen phone,
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but we didn't get anything. Killer likely turned it off.
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- Still canvassing for video, but so far, nothing.
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- But he still slipped up.
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Techs were able to lift a partial print
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from Marks's wallet, and I got a hit.
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Blake Hughes, also known as G-Ticket.
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- G-Ticket? - He's a rapper.
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And it actually looks like he's pretty popular on SoundCloud.
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But what is of interest is his list of priors--
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possession with intent to sell, aggravated assault,
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robbery in the first degree.
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- Go, go.
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[hip-hop music playing indistinctly]
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* *
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- That part was fire.
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Yo, yo, yo. What's going on? Can I help you?
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- Yeah, NYPD, my guy.
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We need to talk to your friend right there.
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[suspenseful music]
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- Come on. Let's go. - Oh, come on.
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- Hey! - Yo!
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* *
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- [groans] Get off me!
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I ain't done nothing. - Yeah?
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Well, we both know that's not true.
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Just stop, all right? Stop.
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Stop.
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Give me your arm. Give me your arm.
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- Well, this looks like 2,000 bucks.
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- Blake Hughes, you're under arrest.
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- We know it was you.
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Your cell phone data puts you in the Meatpacking District
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last night, right around the area
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Marks was murdered.
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- We got your fingerprints on his wallet.
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We caught you with his phone and his watch.
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- Nah, man, that ain't it.
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Look, I was there, but...
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I knew the guy. We were friends.
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- Oh, you and Evan Marks were friends.
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I gotta hear this one.
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- We met last year at Coachella.
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He was a fan of my music.
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- All right, so what were you doing
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outside his place of business at 2:00 a.m. last night?
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- He asked me to come meet him.
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He--he would buy off of me sometimes.
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Dude love to party.
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I mean, party.
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Like, he wanted ketamine, acid, shrooms.
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- Okay, so you were there to sell him drugs.
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- Just so we're clear, I'm out of that game.
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- [laughs] - Clearly.
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- I would make an exception for Evan.
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That stuff you found, I mean, I only had it
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because I wanted to stay on his good side, you know?
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Look, I was hoping he'd give me money to--
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to produce my album.
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- Okay, so just help me out.
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What went wrong? Why did you shoot him?
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- I didn't.
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When I got there, he was already
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arguing with some other guy.
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So I didn't wanna get involved.
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I hung back, stayed out of sight.
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They started yelling at each other.
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Next thing I knew, there was a gunshot,
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and the other dude ran off.
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- And how did you end up with Marks's money and his watch?
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- After the guy ran away, I went to go check on Evan,
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see if he was okay.
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But he was already dead.
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- So you're telling me you robbed your dead friend?
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- Look, I'm not proud of it, but studio time is expensive.
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- All right, in any event,
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you didn't happen to get a good look
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at this other guy, did you?
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- No, but I did overhear some of their conversation.
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Their argument, they were--
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They were fighting over a woman.
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- What makes you say that?
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- The dude said, "You turned her against me,"
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or something like that.
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And Marks was all, "She doesn't need you anymore."
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[suspenseful music]
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- We found some pretty raunchy texts
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between you and Evan Marks.
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What was the nature of your relationship with him?
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- Oh, God.
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I've known Evan forever.
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We first met in Aspen, I think.
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- Were you two romantically involved?
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- You mean, were we sleeping together?
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Yeah, sometimes.
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But we weren't dating or anything.
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It was just two friends exploring,
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finding joy together.
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- You know anybody who might have been jealous of this joy?
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- Jealous of me and Evan sleeping together?
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No.
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- Hey, Lace.
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I have to be at the gallery till 3:00,
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so I picked us up some lunch.
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- Afternoon.
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- What's going on?
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- Detective Riley. This is Detective Shaw.
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And you are?
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- Craig Walsh.
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Is this about Evan?
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- It is.
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How well do you know him?
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- Mm, well.
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He officiated our wedding.
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- You guys are married? - Yeah.
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- Mr. Walsh, where were you last night around 2:00 a.m.?
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- [scoffs]
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I want a lawyer.
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- Magic word, okay. Call him to the precinct.
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* *
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- Spoke to your doorman.
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According to him, you and your wife
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didn't get home last night until after 4:00 a.m.
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- Which does not look good since Marks
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was killed around 2:00.
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- I would never kill Evan.
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I loved the guy.
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- Bet you didn't love him
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sleeping with your wife, though, huh?
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- Lacy and I have an open marriage.
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- Okay.
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Then where were you last night?
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- It'll be fine. Just tell them.
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[suspenseful music]
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- I was at the VenZip offices. So was Lacy.
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- So you were with him Evan Marks.
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- And a lot of other people.
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There was a party.
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- Oh, yeah? What kind of party was that?
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- There's an underground scene for people
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of a certain caliber.
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It's called the Lifestyle.
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- Lifestyle? - I did not name it.
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Evan was super into the whole thing.
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It was his idea to throw one of the parties at his office.
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- You know, you really didn't need a lawyer to tell us this.
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- We're talking about an invite-only situation here.
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And people that attend these things are big time.
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Guests have to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
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I wanted to make sure I wouldn't get in trouble.
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- And what kind of things are going on at this party
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that people have to sign an NDA?
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- Nothing bad.
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It's just a way to create safe space for powerful
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and, you know, famous people to relax,
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expanding the mind to break old paradigms.
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- And by expanding the mind, you mean...
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taking ketamine, mushrooms?
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We're Homicide detectives, okay?
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We're not here to bust you for recreational drug use.
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- Yeah.
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Everyone parties.
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And at some point, Evan got worried
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supplies were running low, so he left for a re-up.
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But he never came back.
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Then someone looked down and saw
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the police cars on the street.
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Everyone freaked out.
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So we left out the back exit of the building.
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- Well, the point is, my client and his wife
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were in the VenZip offices on the 27th floor
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when Evan Marks was shot.
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- No, the point is, Counselor, your client has to prove it.
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[upbeat dance music playing]
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- The planet is gonna run out of water, like, soon.
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That's something everyone needs to survive.
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- Whoever figures that out is gonna make a lot of money.
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- And change the world. - And change the world.
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- That's the video Craig Walsh shot at the party.
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- People are higher than
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the Chrysler Building in that thing.
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- Maybe so, but the time stamp proves
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that they were at the party when Marks was shot.
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- So if Marks was killed over a woman, it wasn't Lacy Stevens.
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- Doesn't look like it.
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- Yeah, but those Lifestyle parties are basically just
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orgies for tech nerds, right?
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Odds are Lacy wasn't the only one
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he was romantically involved with.
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[knocking] - Hey.
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I scrubbed through Marks's phone and email
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like you asked, looking for other possible girlfriends,
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and I might have something.
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I found several references to a woman named Eva,
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messages that he sent to friends saying
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he couldn't wait to introduce them to her.
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- You get a last name? - Negative.
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And I also couldn't find any Eva in his contact lists.
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- What's the over/under this Eva also has a husband?
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- You know, Craig Walsh did eventually give up
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the contact info for the woman who runs the invite list
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for those Lifestyle parties.
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- Let's go talk to her.
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If she made up the guest list, maybe she knows who Eva is.
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- Never heard of her.
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- But you're the one who puts these parties together, right?
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- I'm not a party promoter.
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I'm a psychedelic doula.
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- And that entails what, exactly?
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- I curate bespoke experiences for high-end clients
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interested in exploring the psychological
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and intellectual benefits of psychotropic substances.
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- You do realize that those substances
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are against the law?
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- I neither provide nor partake myself.
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Everything I do is perfectly legal.
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Clients come to me, and I coordinate groups whose auras
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are a good match and make arrangements for them
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to exchange energies and ideas.
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- This aura matching, it never involved a woman named Eva?
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- No.
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- What about any men that might have had an issue
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with Marks's relationships with other women?
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- Evan did mention that earlier that day
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he'd gotten into a big fight with James,
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his business partner.
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- You mean James Sawyer? - Yeah.
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Evan said the fight was intense.
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Apparently, James was so upset he punched a hole in the wall.
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- Did Evan ever tell you what the fight was about?
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- No, but I do know that James does not
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approve of the Lifestyle.
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He's very uptight--
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much more the type to be territorial over a woman.
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- I'm sorry, Mr. Sawyer, but your plane's been grounded,
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and I'm being told to wait.
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- I wanna talk to your manager.
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- You can talk to us.
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Hi. Detective Riley. This is Detective Shaw.
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We tried stopping by your office,
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and your assistant told us were making
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a little unexpected trip.
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- Did you ground my plane?
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- It seems like you're in a rush.
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Where you headed? - Why does that matter?
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- Let's go have a little talk over here, okay?
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- Word on the street is that you and Evan Marks
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had quite the fight last night.
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- We had an argument. It's not uncommon.
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We're both passionate people.
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- You guys argue about a woman?
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- A woman? No.
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If word got out that the C-suite is throwing
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drug-fueled sex parties at corporate HQ,
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it's gonna be a problem.
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- Marks didn't agree?
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- Evan didn't care that his Burning Man nonsense
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doesn't exactly fly with investors.
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But if you think I had anything to do
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with what happened, you're crazy.
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Evan wasn't just my business partner.
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He was my best friend.
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- If you had nothing to do with his murder, why skip town?
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- I'm not skipping town.
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I'm flying to San Francisco to meet with a crisis PR team.
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Evan's death sent the company's stock into a spiral.
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I'm gonna go mitigate the fallout.
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- All right, where were you last night?
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- D.C. Flew back this morning.
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Look, Evan was like a brother to me,
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which meant sometimes we fought like brothers too.
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- You guys ever fight over Eva?
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- Eva?
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No, that was completely under Evan's purview.
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I didn't really get involved.
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What does Eva have to do with any of this?
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- You tell us. We don't even know who she is.
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- Eva isn't a woman.
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She's a software program,
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specifically artificial intelligence.
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She's the most advanced AI ever achieved.
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* *
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.
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- Allow me to introduce you to EVA,
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short for Electronic Virtual Assistant.
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She's artificial intelligence on a level
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no one's ever seen before.
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- You and Evan Marks ever have any disagreements
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about her or it?
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- Research shows that people prefer
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giving artificial intelligence a female name and pronouns.
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Makes it less creepy.
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- You still didn't answer my question.
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- No, I didn't have any problems with Evan
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wanting to implement EVA.
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Honestly, I think it's exciting.
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But it was controversial.
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There are definitely people who felt differently.
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- What was Evan Marks doing that was so controversial?
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- As the name implies, EVA was initially designed
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to assist our engineers and programmers.
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But she's self-learning.
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And within months, she advanced exponentially
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beyond her initial capabilities.
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The program is self-iterative, and its processes operate
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in a kind of black box.
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There's no real way for us to track what algorithms
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she's using to evolve.
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- Not my area of expertise, but doesn't that seem concerning?
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- Hence the controversy.
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- Aren't there regulations in place
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around this kind of thing? - Not really.
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Evan was a big proponent of seeing
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how far EVA could go on her own.
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The goal is for her to assist the engineers and programmers,
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but she can actually do their jobs.
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- Except faster.
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- And for free.
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- That must have pissed off a lot of employees.
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- Yeah, about 200 of them.
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[elevator dings]
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- Last week, Evan Marks fired over half
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of his company's engineers and replaced them
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with the EVA AI system.
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- So you're saying that when our witness
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overheard Marks's killer say,
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"You're turning her against me,"
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he was talking about a computer program?
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- That's what we're thinking.
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- And according to Kevin Wu, the operations manager,
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Marks was ruthless about the layoffs, right?
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He kicked out 200 employees on their asses
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just like that without warning.
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According to him, the future left these people behind.
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- All that mind expanding he had done
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led him to innovating beyond human empathy.
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- That's a lot of suspects to sort through.
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- It is.
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However, we can put one of those suspects
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at the crime scene.
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So Wu gave us all the data he had
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on all the fired employees, and it turns out,
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the former chief programmer Ben Stafford
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used his key card at the VenZip offices
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the night Marks was murdered.
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- We checked with our psychedelic doula friend too.
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She confirmed he definitely was not
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on the list for the Lifestyle party that night.
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- I can do you one better. Listen to this.
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Stafford posted this on his social media
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the day before the murder.
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"Evan Marks will be the downfall of humanity
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"as we know it.
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He's a plague that needs to be eradicated immediately."
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- That's enough for a search warrant.
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Why don't you see what you can turn up?
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[suspenseful music]
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- No, no, no, don't touch that.
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- Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up. All right?
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Just stay where you are.
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- This is insane.
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I was just blowing off steam.
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I wasn't saying I was actually gonna kill him.
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- Then what were you doing at the VenZip offices
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the night of the murder?
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- I--I don't know what you're talking about.
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- Right. - Detectives?
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We found this in the dumpster behind the building.
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- 9 millimeter. - Yep.
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- That means we're gonna finish this little conversation
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of ours downtown, okay?
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Let's go.
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- Ballistic tests prove that the gun that we found
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was the one used to kill Marks, the guy who had just fired you.
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- We know you were there. Just tell us what happened.
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- Any chance I could get some of my medication?
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- Medication? You mean the, uh,
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the Adderall that we found when we searched your apartment?
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You're gonna have to produce a doctor's prescription,
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because the bottle that we found
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had no pharmacist label on it.
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- I don't have a prescription.
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- Then you don't get the Adderall.
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- It helps me think straight.
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- How about this?
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I'm happy to get you an aspirin,
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but until you start telling us the truth,
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it's the best I can do.
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- Ben, come on.
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I'm looking at you, and I can tell
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that this is not easy to keep this all bottled up inside.
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[apprehensive music]
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You're not a bad guy, are you?
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* *
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- I brought the gun to scare him.
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I just wanted him to give everyone their jobs back.
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- Guy like that, he wouldn't listen, would he?
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- No.
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The only people he cares about are his rich friends.
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Because of him, hundreds of people
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aren't gonna be able to support their families.
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Meanwhile, he's just up in his office, throwing a party.
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He wouldn't even have a company
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if it wasn't for the work we all did.
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- Okay, good.
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So, you had an argument.
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- Uh...
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I was so angry.
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It just wasn't fair.
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* *
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Next thing I knew...
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I followed him to the ATM, and I--
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I shot him.
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- Okay.
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- I'm so sorry.
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I didn't mean to.
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[knock at door] - Come in.
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- Don't say another word.
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I'm Mr. Stafford's attorney. This interview is over.
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- Ben Stafford, you are under arrest
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for the murder of Evan Marks.
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You have the right to remain silent
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and refuse to answer questions, do you understand?
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.
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- People v. Benjamin Stafford,
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charging murder in the second degree.
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- How does the defendant plea?
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- Not guilty, Your Honor.
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- Tyrone, I'll hear you on bail.
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- Your Honor, Ben Stafford shot and killed Evan Marks
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as retribution for Marks firing him.
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We cannot only place the defendant near the crime scene
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around the time of the murder
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and tie the murder weapon to him,
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but Stafford himself confessed to detectives.
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Stafford lacks deep ties to the community
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and is facing a potential 25-year sentence,
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making him a serious flight risk.
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We ask for remand.
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- Police coerced a false confession
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from an innocent man under extreme duress,
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an innocent man with no criminal history, I might add.
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We are confident that Mr. Stafford
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will be fully exonerated and ask that he be released
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on his own recognizance.
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- Bail set at 1 million.
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[gavel bangs] Next case.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- The jury is never gonna hear that confession.
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- Look, how about this?
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I'm happy to get you an aspirin,
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but until you start telling us the truth,
530
00:21:41,468 --> 00:21:43,887
that's the best I can do.
531
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,766
- Ben Stafford developed a physical dependency
532
00:21:47,807 --> 00:21:50,310
on Adderall as a result of the grueling hours
533
00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:52,145
and high performance expectations
534
00:21:52,187 --> 00:21:53,730
of his job at VenZip.
535
00:21:53,772 --> 00:21:56,358
During the interrogation, he was suffering from withdrawal.
536
00:21:56,399 --> 00:21:58,193
He made multiple requests for the drug.
537
00:21:58,234 --> 00:21:59,819
- In the course of an interrogation,
538
00:21:59,861 --> 00:22:02,697
the suspect requested an illegally procured
539
00:22:02,739 --> 00:22:05,909
controlled substance and detectives, following protocol,
540
00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,327
denied the request.
541
00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:09,746
- Police capitalized on my client's compromised state
542
00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:12,082
by dangling a promise of access to the pills
543
00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:13,583
in exchange for a confession.
544
00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:15,502
He would have confessed to anything in that moment
545
00:22:15,543 --> 00:22:17,170
if it meant he'd get a fix, and Detective Riley knew it.
546
00:22:17,212 --> 00:22:18,838
- Riley made no such promise.
547
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,466
- "Until you tell us the truth, that's the best I can do."
548
00:22:23,051 --> 00:22:24,552
It was heavily implied.
549
00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:28,390
- That is a wild distortion of Detective Riley's words.
550
00:22:29,891 --> 00:22:31,935
- I understand that the detective may not
551
00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:35,021
have intended to imply a quid pro quo,
552
00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,439
but there's sufficient evidence
553
00:22:36,481 --> 00:22:38,400
to support the argument that the defendant--
554
00:22:38,441 --> 00:22:39,859
in his altered state--
555
00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:42,570
interpreted it as such, making the confession
556
00:22:42,612 --> 00:22:46,199
involuntarily coerced and inherently unreliable.
557
00:22:46,241 --> 00:22:48,576
- Your Honor-- - The confession is out.
558
00:22:48,618 --> 00:22:50,620
[suspenseful music]
559
00:22:50,662 --> 00:22:53,373
- So you have a defendant who confessed to the crime,
560
00:22:53,415 --> 00:22:55,959
but the jury doesn't get to know that.
561
00:22:56,001 --> 00:22:59,421
Can we get a conviction without the confession?
562
00:22:59,462 --> 00:23:01,006
- I think so.
563
00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:04,050
Stafford's key card puts him at the VenZip offices
564
00:23:04,092 --> 00:23:06,052
right after midnight on the night of the murder.
565
00:23:06,094 --> 00:23:08,138
Marks was shot right outside the building.
566
00:23:08,179 --> 00:23:10,181
- And Stafford had already cleared out his office
567
00:23:10,223 --> 00:23:11,891
the week before.
568
00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,435
They're gonna have trouble coming up
569
00:23:13,476 --> 00:23:15,520
with a viable explanation for him being there
570
00:23:15,562 --> 00:23:17,731
other than confronting Marks, especially at that hour.
571
00:23:17,772 --> 00:23:20,567
- Plus, the murder weapon was recovered in his dumpster,
572
00:23:20,608 --> 00:23:22,068
and you add to that the clear-cut motive.
573
00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:23,361
Yes, I still think we can win.
574
00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:25,572
- Just be careful.
575
00:23:25,613 --> 00:23:27,532
The motive, in this case, has the potential
576
00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:29,659
to hurt as much as help.
577
00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:34,539
Fear of losing one's livelihood to AI is pervasive these days.
578
00:23:34,581 --> 00:23:37,459
All I'm saying, Nolan, is, it's gonna be easier
579
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,044
to sympathize with the defendant
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00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:42,881
than the billionaire who fired hundreds of employees.
581
00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:46,593
Humanize the victim, and remind them
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00:23:46,634 --> 00:23:50,013
Ben Stafford is the villain in this story.
583
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* *
584
00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:56,936
- Mr. Sawyer, you were present when Evan Marks notified
585
00:23:56,978 --> 00:23:59,022
the defendant that the company was letting him go,
586
00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:01,524
is that correct? - I was.
587
00:24:01,566 --> 00:24:04,736
As co-founders, Evan and I took our responsibilities
588
00:24:04,778 --> 00:24:06,905
to our employees very seriously.
589
00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:10,492
We wanted to deliver the news as humanely as possible.
590
00:24:10,533 --> 00:24:12,869
- And how did the defendant react?
591
00:24:12,911 --> 00:24:14,412
- He was furious.
592
00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:17,957
He threw a fit, screaming, making threats.
593
00:24:17,999 --> 00:24:20,752
It was a lot to take given that it was his fault that
594
00:24:20,794 --> 00:24:22,879
it was happening in the first place.
595
00:24:22,921 --> 00:24:23,797
- How so?
596
00:24:23,838 --> 00:24:25,840
- He was the one who created EVA.
597
00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:28,635
- That's the artificial intelligence program
598
00:24:28,677 --> 00:24:29,969
that the company is now using?
599
00:24:30,011 --> 00:24:32,430
- Yes, we discovered that he had essentially
600
00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:35,141
designed the software to do his job for him.
601
00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:39,145
He thought he was clever, that he could just sit around
602
00:24:39,187 --> 00:24:41,564
and do nothing while collecting a big fat paycheck.
603
00:24:41,606 --> 00:24:43,358
- The defendant wasn't the only employee
604
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,360
that you and Marks replaced with EVA.
605
00:24:45,402 --> 00:24:46,861
- Unfortunately, the software did
606
00:24:46,903 --> 00:24:49,030
make a number of jobs at the company redundant,
607
00:24:49,072 --> 00:24:52,409
and we struggled with what to do with that,
608
00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:54,119
Evan more than me, even.
609
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,580
But ultimately, he felt we had a responsibility
610
00:24:57,622 --> 00:24:59,833
to push the boundaries of science and technology
611
00:24:59,874 --> 00:25:04,587
that through innovation, some sort of utopia
612
00:25:04,629 --> 00:25:05,922
could be reached.
613
00:25:05,964 --> 00:25:07,674
- When you say that the defendant
614
00:25:07,716 --> 00:25:12,387
made threats to Marks, what did he say, exactly?
615
00:25:12,429 --> 00:25:14,014
- He got right up in Evan's face
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00:25:14,055 --> 00:25:16,516
and said he was gonna pay for what he'd done.
617
00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,101
- Thank you.
618
00:25:18,143 --> 00:25:19,602
No further questions.
619
00:25:23,481 --> 00:25:26,526
- Mr. Sawyer, how would you characterize
620
00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:28,028
your relationship with Evan Marks?
621
00:25:28,069 --> 00:25:29,821
- He was my best friend.
622
00:25:29,863 --> 00:25:31,531
- And on the business side,
623
00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:33,116
things between you two were good?
624
00:25:33,158 --> 00:25:36,703
- We had the perfect complement of skill sets.
625
00:25:36,745 --> 00:25:38,663
Evan excelled at the big picture stuff,
626
00:25:38,705 --> 00:25:40,206
while I'm good at executing.
627
00:25:40,248 --> 00:25:44,836
- Mr. Sawyer, do you recognize these emails?
628
00:25:50,633 --> 00:25:52,844
- It looks like correspondences between myself
629
00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:54,304
and some of our company board members.
630
00:25:54,346 --> 00:25:55,889
- Objection, relevance.
631
00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:59,642
- These emails establish that Mr. Sawyer is not being honest
632
00:25:59,684 --> 00:26:01,186
with the court about the state of affairs
633
00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:02,228
between him and Evan Marks.
634
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:03,438
- Overruled.
635
00:26:04,773 --> 00:26:07,067
- What was the nature of these exchanges?
636
00:26:07,108 --> 00:26:09,027
- I reached out to some of our board members
637
00:26:09,069 --> 00:26:10,862
to see if I could rely on their support.
638
00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:13,198
- Because Evan Marks was trying
639
00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:14,908
to push you out of the company?
640
00:26:14,949 --> 00:26:16,034
- Yes.
641
00:26:16,076 --> 00:26:17,911
He'd discussed that with a few people.
642
00:26:17,952 --> 00:26:19,788
- He felt like you were holding him back,
643
00:26:19,829 --> 00:26:23,583
squelching his creative genius, isn't that correct?
644
00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:26,086
- We were in the process of sorting it all out.
645
00:26:26,127 --> 00:26:29,422
- What did you discover in your communication with the board?
646
00:26:29,464 --> 00:26:31,174
- That I--
647
00:26:31,216 --> 00:26:34,469
[tense music]
648
00:26:34,511 --> 00:26:36,346
I didn't have the support I'd imagined.
649
00:26:36,388 --> 00:26:38,765
- Meaning Marks could effectively
650
00:26:38,807 --> 00:26:41,142
fire you at any time?
651
00:26:41,184 --> 00:26:43,103
- Yes.
652
00:26:43,144 --> 00:26:44,938
- But now that he's dead,
653
00:26:44,979 --> 00:26:48,441
you've been appointed sole CEO, correct?
654
00:26:48,483 --> 00:26:50,443
- If you're trying to imply
655
00:26:50,485 --> 00:26:53,196
that I'm the one who killed Evan,
656
00:26:53,238 --> 00:26:55,615
you're wasting your time.
657
00:26:55,657 --> 00:26:57,659
I was in D.C. the night he was shot.
658
00:26:57,701 --> 00:26:58,910
- That doesn't mean you couldn't pay somebody
659
00:26:58,952 --> 00:27:00,537
to do your dirty work. - Objection, Your Honor.
660
00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:01,705
The defense is trying to suggest--
661
00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:04,457
- She's not suggesting, she's asserting.
662
00:27:04,499 --> 00:27:07,335
James Sawyer killed Evan Marks.
663
00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:08,962
- Objection. - Sustained.
664
00:27:09,004 --> 00:27:11,131
Please disregard defense counsel's statement.
665
00:27:11,172 --> 00:27:18,013
* *
666
00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:21,641
- You hung me out to dry up there.
667
00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,393
- I had no way of knowing they were coming for you.
668
00:27:23,435 --> 00:27:26,896
- Because you didn't tell us what was really going on.
669
00:27:26,938 --> 00:27:30,358
- How did the defense know about Marks's power grab?
670
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,110
- Great question.
671
00:27:32,152 --> 00:27:33,528
I have no idea.
672
00:27:33,570 --> 00:27:35,280
Those were all company emails.
673
00:27:35,321 --> 00:27:37,198
- Do you think Stafford hacked your server?
674
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,326
- For all I know, he had EVA do it for him.
675
00:27:40,368 --> 00:27:42,620
They're trying to make it look like I killed Evan.
676
00:27:42,662 --> 00:27:44,831
That's insane.
677
00:27:44,873 --> 00:27:46,332
He's gonna get away with murder.
678
00:27:46,374 --> 00:27:52,839
* *
679
00:27:53,631 --> 00:27:55,675
- Tell Detective Riley
680
00:27:55,717 --> 00:27:57,802
we're calling him first thing tomorrow.
681
00:27:57,844 --> 00:28:01,014
We need to refocus the jury.
682
00:28:01,056 --> 00:28:03,141
Remind them who the real killer is.
683
00:28:03,183 --> 00:28:06,061
- Like it or not, Nolan, the defense just offered up
684
00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:09,564
a perfectly plausible alternative suspect.
685
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:18,907
.
686
00:28:18,948 --> 00:28:20,283
- Detective Riley, in the course of your investigation,
687
00:28:21,242 --> 00:28:22,494
you discovered that the defendant
688
00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:24,037
had been present at the VenZip offices
689
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,164
the night Evan Marks was murdered, is that correct?
690
00:28:26,206 --> 00:28:28,792
- Yes, he entered the building at 12:14 a.m.
691
00:28:28,833 --> 00:28:31,378
- And Evan Marks was shot right outside of there
692
00:28:31,419 --> 00:28:32,629
not long after that.
693
00:28:32,671 --> 00:28:34,422
- Which is why the defendant immediately
694
00:28:34,464 --> 00:28:35,799
became a person of interest.
695
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,384
We then uncovered a series of threats
696
00:28:37,425 --> 00:28:39,052
that he had made against Marks, so we executed
697
00:28:39,094 --> 00:28:40,512
a search warrant of his apartment.
698
00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:41,805
- And what did you find?
699
00:28:41,846 --> 00:28:43,223
- We found a 9-millimeter pistol
700
00:28:43,264 --> 00:28:44,891
in the dumpster behind his building.
701
00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:48,228
- Is this the gun that you found?
702
00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:49,479
- That's the one.
703
00:28:49,521 --> 00:28:52,357
- And did you run ballistic tests on this gun?
704
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:53,525
- We did.
705
00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:54,526
They confirmed that it was, in fact,
706
00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:55,694
the weapon used to kill Marks.
707
00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:57,696
- Thank you. No further questions.
708
00:28:57,737 --> 00:29:00,699
[tense music]
709
00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:02,325
* *
710
00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:04,994
- Is there any evidence-- other than the keycard data--
711
00:29:05,036 --> 00:29:08,540
that my client was in the office that night?
712
00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:11,001
For example, security video?
713
00:29:11,042 --> 00:29:12,585
- No, Evan Marks had turned off
714
00:29:12,627 --> 00:29:13,795
the security cameras that night.
715
00:29:13,837 --> 00:29:15,171
- So that there would be no evidence
716
00:29:15,213 --> 00:29:17,674
of his illicit sex party filled with illegal drugs?
717
00:29:17,716 --> 00:29:19,467
- Objection, calls for speculation.
718
00:29:19,509 --> 00:29:21,636
- Sustained.
719
00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:23,596
- Were Ben Stafford's fingerprints
720
00:29:23,638 --> 00:29:24,723
on the gun that you found?
721
00:29:24,764 --> 00:29:26,891
- No, it had been wiped clean.
722
00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:28,101
- No further questions.
723
00:29:31,271 --> 00:29:35,358
- Detective, was the dumpster where you recovered the gun
724
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,985
accessible to just anyone?
725
00:29:37,027 --> 00:29:38,570
- It was not. It was behind a locked gate.
726
00:29:38,611 --> 00:29:40,572
- Well, who had a key to that gate?
727
00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:41,906
- Only the tenants.
728
00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:44,451
- Do any of the tenants-- other than Ben Stafford--
729
00:29:44,492 --> 00:29:46,619
have any ties to Evan Marks?
730
00:29:46,661 --> 00:29:48,079
- None that we could ascertain.
731
00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:49,622
- Thank you.
732
00:29:49,664 --> 00:29:51,416
The prosecution rests.
733
00:29:51,458 --> 00:29:53,501
- You may call your first witness, Ms. Greenough.
734
00:29:53,543 --> 00:29:56,713
- Your Honor, the defense calls Ben Stafford to the stand.
735
00:29:59,424 --> 00:30:01,968
- I had nothing to do with what happened to Evan.
736
00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:04,095
- Then how do you explain all of the evidence
737
00:30:04,137 --> 00:30:06,389
that the prosecution has laid out?
738
00:30:06,431 --> 00:30:09,934
- I'M being set up by James Sawyer again.
739
00:30:09,976 --> 00:30:11,519
- What do you mean again?
740
00:30:11,561 --> 00:30:13,063
- Well, about six months ago,
741
00:30:13,104 --> 00:30:15,273
James and Evan called me into a meeting.
742
00:30:15,315 --> 00:30:17,275
They were frustrated that the company's
743
00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:20,612
engineers and programmers weren't working fast enough.
744
00:30:20,653 --> 00:30:22,322
It was absurd.
745
00:30:22,364 --> 00:30:27,202
Everyone was working 16 hours a day, seven days a week.
746
00:30:27,243 --> 00:30:29,954
I had to take Adderall just to keep up.
747
00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:31,706
- What did they wanna discuss?
748
00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:34,000
- They wanted me to create an AI program
749
00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:37,754
to carry some of the workload, make things go faster.
750
00:30:37,796 --> 00:30:39,089
- And what did you say?
751
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:41,883
- I had real reservations about the idea.
752
00:30:41,925 --> 00:30:44,678
There were obvious ethical implications,
753
00:30:44,719 --> 00:30:46,471
but also, I didn't want to be responsible
754
00:30:46,513 --> 00:30:49,474
for putting my coworkers' jobs in jeopardy.
755
00:30:49,516 --> 00:30:51,601
But James and Evan made clear
756
00:30:51,643 --> 00:30:53,019
they'd fire me if I didn't do it.
757
00:30:53,061 --> 00:30:54,979
- So you did what they demanded.
758
00:30:55,021 --> 00:30:58,316
- And they ended up firing me anyway.
759
00:30:58,358 --> 00:31:00,860
And then when they fired everyone else,
760
00:31:00,902 --> 00:31:03,321
they told them that it was my fault,
761
00:31:03,363 --> 00:31:09,786
that I created EVA on my own so I didn't have to work.
762
00:31:09,828 --> 00:31:12,747
- They made you the fall guy. - Exactly.
763
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:15,917
And now James Sawyer is doing it again.
764
00:31:15,959 --> 00:31:19,337
I was at home, asleep in my bed that night.
765
00:31:19,379 --> 00:31:21,506
I've never fired a gun in my life.
766
00:31:21,548 --> 00:31:23,925
- But your key card--
767
00:31:23,967 --> 00:31:26,386
- Easiest thing in the world to clone.
768
00:31:26,428 --> 00:31:27,971
My ten-year-old niece could do it.
769
00:31:28,013 --> 00:31:29,806
- Well, what about the gun?
770
00:31:29,848 --> 00:31:31,474
It was found behind your apartment building.
771
00:31:31,516 --> 00:31:34,728
- James has access to my personnel files.
772
00:31:34,769 --> 00:31:36,021
He knows where I live.
773
00:31:36,062 --> 00:31:38,189
- But according to the detective,
774
00:31:38,231 --> 00:31:40,358
you need a key to access the dumpster.
775
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,278
- Half the time nobody remembers to lock that gate,
776
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,740
and even if it's locked, it's not hard to bypass.
777
00:31:46,781 --> 00:31:50,535
I swear, I'm being set up here.
778
00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:52,245
I'm innocent.
779
00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:55,707
- No further questions.
780
00:31:55,749 --> 00:31:58,668
[tense music]
781
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,839
* *
782
00:32:02,881 --> 00:32:05,592
- So... [clears throat]
783
00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:07,093
By your own admission,
784
00:32:07,135 --> 00:32:10,472
you had plenty of reason to want Evan Marks dead.
785
00:32:10,513 --> 00:32:13,391
He fired you and made you
786
00:32:13,433 --> 00:32:15,226
the fall guy for all the other layoffs.
787
00:32:15,268 --> 00:32:18,063
And, in fact, you made multiple threats against him,
788
00:32:18,104 --> 00:32:20,440
both online and in person, isn't that true?
789
00:32:20,482 --> 00:32:23,985
- Which is how James knew I'd be the perfect patsy.
790
00:32:24,027 --> 00:32:25,987
- So we're to believe that James Sawyer,
791
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:27,447
one of the most respected
792
00:32:27,489 --> 00:32:29,991
and accomplished businessmen of our time,
793
00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:32,577
somehow arranged the murder
794
00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:35,205
of his closest friend and business partner
795
00:32:35,246 --> 00:32:39,209
and then created some elaborate scheme to frame you?
796
00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,252
- That's who these people are.
797
00:32:41,294 --> 00:32:46,925
Evan Marks and James Sawyer, they're all monsters.
798
00:32:46,966 --> 00:32:52,180
They use honest, hard-working people as pawns.
799
00:32:52,222 --> 00:32:55,934
I'm just one more meaningless no one
800
00:32:55,975 --> 00:32:59,396
easily sacrificed so that James Sawyer
801
00:32:59,437 --> 00:33:03,942
can gain more power and more profit.
802
00:33:03,983 --> 00:33:07,112
And the thing is, guys like him,
803
00:33:07,153 --> 00:33:09,531
they always get away with it too.
804
00:33:09,572 --> 00:33:16,496
* *
805
00:33:16,996 --> 00:33:19,290
- That was a hell of a performance.
806
00:33:19,332 --> 00:33:21,626
If I hadn't seen Stafford's confession with my own eyes--
807
00:33:21,668 --> 00:33:23,128
- I know.
808
00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:25,547
- Good, caught you. - What's going on?
809
00:33:25,588 --> 00:33:27,173
- There's something I need you to see.
810
00:33:27,215 --> 00:33:29,592
Is there an office we can go to?
811
00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:31,219
Our offices were in the process
812
00:33:31,261 --> 00:33:32,679
of upgrading our security system
813
00:33:32,721 --> 00:33:34,347
right before Evan was murdered.
814
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:36,266
So I took a look at one of the new cameras
815
00:33:36,307 --> 00:33:38,601
on the exterior of the building.
816
00:33:38,643 --> 00:33:43,189
There's a direct shot of the ATM where Evan was murdered.
817
00:33:43,231 --> 00:33:46,109
- How the hell did police miss that in their initial canvass?
818
00:33:46,151 --> 00:33:47,569
- Camera's so tiny, you can't even see it
819
00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:49,070
unless you to look for it.
820
00:33:49,112 --> 00:33:51,281
But it was operational that night
821
00:33:51,322 --> 00:33:53,241
even though it wasn't on the mainframe,
822
00:33:53,283 --> 00:33:56,077
meaning that it wasn't logged into the system.
823
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,039
[suspenseful music]
824
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:05,837
* *
825
00:34:05,879 --> 00:34:10,842
That's Ben Stafford, clear as day.
826
00:34:10,884 --> 00:34:13,511
- Oh, my God.
827
00:34:13,553 --> 00:34:15,388
We got him.
828
00:34:27,067 --> 00:34:27,233
.
829
00:34:27,275 --> 00:34:27,901
- Hey. You're in early.
830
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:33,114
- Yeah, I couldn't sleep.
831
00:34:33,156 --> 00:34:35,825
Something was bugging me.
832
00:34:35,867 --> 00:34:36,951
Look at this.
833
00:34:42,207 --> 00:34:43,792
- What am I missing?
834
00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:45,293
- Well, this entire trial,
835
00:34:45,335 --> 00:34:48,129
Stafford has been taking meticulous notes
836
00:34:48,171 --> 00:34:49,881
as people testify, you noticed?
837
00:34:49,923 --> 00:34:53,259
- Yeah. Just figured he was--
838
00:34:53,301 --> 00:34:54,803
[suspenseful music]
839
00:34:54,844 --> 00:34:56,554
Oh.
840
00:34:56,596 --> 00:34:59,140
Stafford is left-handed.
841
00:34:59,182 --> 00:35:01,601
- But the shooter in this video is using his right hand.
842
00:35:05,105 --> 00:35:08,191
- So what, you're worried the video isn't real?
843
00:35:08,233 --> 00:35:10,694
- The defense blaming James Sawyer for Marks's murder
844
00:35:10,735 --> 00:35:13,947
is the top headline in news outlets across the country.
845
00:35:13,988 --> 00:35:17,200
What are the chances that Sawyer just happens
846
00:35:17,242 --> 00:35:20,245
to be the one to find the perfect piece of evidence,
847
00:35:20,286 --> 00:35:23,957
evidence that nails Stafford and clears his name?
848
00:35:23,998 --> 00:35:26,126
- I get what you're saying.
849
00:35:27,919 --> 00:35:29,254
He is the CEO.
850
00:35:29,295 --> 00:35:31,131
They got all kinds of security cameras.
851
00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:33,174
- But he didn't find the video until yesterday?
852
00:35:33,216 --> 00:35:35,677
- I know the timing is convenient,
853
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,887
but it doesn't prove anything.
854
00:35:37,929 --> 00:35:39,347
- No.
855
00:35:39,389 --> 00:35:43,018
But given Sawyer's access to advanced technology,
856
00:35:43,059 --> 00:35:44,978
a deepfake video of this caliber
857
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:47,981
isn't outside the realm of possibility.
858
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:51,401
- So what do you wanna do?
859
00:35:51,443 --> 00:35:55,447
- I am going to ask for a continuance
860
00:35:55,488 --> 00:35:59,534
while you get clarity on the video's authenticity.
861
00:35:59,576 --> 00:36:02,620
- ITB used every tool they have to analyze this thing,
862
00:36:02,662 --> 00:36:04,998
but the results were inconclusive.
863
00:36:06,624 --> 00:36:08,585
- So they can't tell if it's real or fake.
864
00:36:08,626 --> 00:36:10,628
- I mean, the biggest giveaway would be here.
865
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:13,465
For whatever reason, even the most advanced AI
866
00:36:13,506 --> 00:36:16,593
still struggles to render human hands and fingers correctly.
867
00:36:16,634 --> 00:36:20,138
But from this far away and at this resolution,
868
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:22,015
it's impossible to zoom in enough
869
00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:24,059
to see Stafford's hands in detail.
870
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,853
- That could be by design to avoid detection.
871
00:36:26,895 --> 00:36:28,688
- It could be.
872
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:30,482
It could also just be a coincidence
873
00:36:30,523 --> 00:36:31,941
that the camera is that far away.
874
00:36:31,983 --> 00:36:35,070
- Yeah, well, the problem is,
875
00:36:35,111 --> 00:36:38,156
the coincidences are really piling up here.
876
00:36:38,198 --> 00:36:39,908
- If this is a deepfake, it is one
877
00:36:39,949 --> 00:36:41,826
of the best ones I've seen.
878
00:36:41,868 --> 00:36:44,954
But we just can't say conclusively
879
00:36:44,996 --> 00:36:47,123
one way or the other.
880
00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:48,708
- [knocks] Hey.
881
00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:51,336
So, um, Riley and Shaw went back out
882
00:36:51,378 --> 00:36:52,754
to the VenZip offices.
883
00:36:52,796 --> 00:36:54,964
They confirmed that there is, in fact,
884
00:36:55,006 --> 00:36:57,842
a camera on the exterior of the building facing the ATM.
885
00:36:57,884 --> 00:37:00,679
- Is there any way to verify how long that camera
886
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,138
has actually been there?
887
00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,433
- There is documentation alleging when it was installed,
888
00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:09,187
but that would be easier to manufacture
889
00:37:09,229 --> 00:37:10,188
than a video, so--
890
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:12,691
- So no. - Correct.
891
00:37:12,732 --> 00:37:17,487
- Which means we don't actually know that it's false.
892
00:37:17,529 --> 00:37:20,699
- We don't know that it's real, either.
893
00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:25,870
- If we don't present the video, can we win?
894
00:37:25,912 --> 00:37:27,288
- I'm not sure.
895
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,333
It's a circumstantial case with an unlikable victim.
896
00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:35,338
- And a likable defendant who acts like he's the victim.
897
00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:39,134
- If the defense wants to challenge the video,
898
00:37:39,175 --> 00:37:41,511
they can call an expert and debunk it.
899
00:37:41,553 --> 00:37:43,430
- Jack, we don't know if it's actually real.
900
00:37:43,471 --> 00:37:44,764
- It's up to the judge.
901
00:37:44,806 --> 00:37:46,391
He can deny its admission,
902
00:37:46,433 --> 00:37:48,935
or he can leave it up to the jury.
903
00:37:48,977 --> 00:37:51,479
- But by presenting it, we're vouching for it.
904
00:37:52,897 --> 00:37:57,193
We are telling the jury we believe it's real.
905
00:37:57,235 --> 00:37:58,903
I know Stafford is guilty.
906
00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:01,489
He confessed, for God's sake, but if we don't start drawing
907
00:38:01,531 --> 00:38:04,451
the line between what's real and what's not,
908
00:38:04,492 --> 00:38:08,413
we'll be contributing to the very problem that could--
909
00:38:08,455 --> 00:38:11,416
hell, if every deepfake video is admissible,
910
00:38:11,458 --> 00:38:13,752
we'll never get another conviction.
911
00:38:13,793 --> 00:38:16,921
All the defense has to do is show some perfectly credible
912
00:38:16,963 --> 00:38:18,965
video that disproves our case.
913
00:38:19,007 --> 00:38:21,760
We have a duty here.
914
00:38:21,801 --> 00:38:25,722
- Our duty is to the truth, and the truth, in this case,
915
00:38:25,764 --> 00:38:29,225
is that Ben Stafford murdered Evan Marks.
916
00:38:29,267 --> 00:38:31,603
[apprehensive music]
917
00:38:31,644 --> 00:38:34,147
Use the video.
918
00:38:34,189 --> 00:38:37,317
End of the day, it's up to the jury
919
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:40,779
to determine what the truth is.
920
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:47,786
* *
921
00:38:48,953 --> 00:38:50,246
- That's--that's not me.
922
00:38:50,288 --> 00:38:52,123
That's--no, I don't--
923
00:38:52,165 --> 00:38:55,335
- Sorry, you're--you're saying that's not you in the video?
924
00:38:55,377 --> 00:38:56,836
Right there.
925
00:38:56,878 --> 00:38:58,463
- No, I can see it's me.
926
00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:00,423
It must be a deepfake.
927
00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:04,135
- So it is you, but what, it's the video that's not real?
928
00:39:04,177 --> 00:39:06,262
- First off, I'm left-handed.
929
00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:07,806
- But your right hand is functional.
930
00:39:07,847 --> 00:39:09,641
You can certainly shoot with that hand as well.
931
00:39:09,683 --> 00:39:11,726
- Maybe, but I don't, and I didn't.
932
00:39:11,768 --> 00:39:16,147
- So this video that we are all looking at with our eyes,
933
00:39:16,189 --> 00:39:18,149
you're saying, well, that's not real.
934
00:39:18,191 --> 00:39:19,776
- Objection, asked and answered.
935
00:39:19,818 --> 00:39:21,277
- Sustained.
936
00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:23,446
- You're trying to make it sound crazy,
937
00:39:23,488 --> 00:39:25,448
but with AI these days,
938
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:26,991
you can make something like this.
939
00:39:27,033 --> 00:39:29,494
You don't even need to doctor existing video.
940
00:39:29,536 --> 00:39:31,663
You could just make it whole cloth.
941
00:39:31,705 --> 00:39:36,251
- So you'd have us believe that your key card was cloned,
942
00:39:36,292 --> 00:39:38,003
that the murder weapon was planted,
943
00:39:38,044 --> 00:39:43,591
and now actual security footage was created from thin air
944
00:39:43,633 --> 00:39:47,262
using technology more advanced than anyone here has ever seen,
945
00:39:47,303 --> 00:39:51,099
all to frame you when the simpler,
946
00:39:51,141 --> 00:39:57,397
the more obvious answer is that you murdered Evan Marks.
947
00:39:57,439 --> 00:39:59,524
[tense music]
948
00:39:59,566 --> 00:40:01,943
- Please, you have to believe me.
949
00:40:01,985 --> 00:40:06,531
- Mr. Stafford, why should we believe you
950
00:40:06,573 --> 00:40:10,702
over what we can see with our own eyes?
951
00:40:10,744 --> 00:40:17,667
* *
952
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:29,471
- Mr. Foreperson, has the jury reached a verdict?
953
00:40:29,512 --> 00:40:30,972
- We have, Your Honor.
954
00:40:31,014 --> 00:40:33,850
In the charge of murder in the second degree,
955
00:40:33,892 --> 00:40:38,188
we find the defendant, Benjamin Stafford, guilty.
956
00:40:38,229 --> 00:40:39,647
- Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
957
00:40:39,689 --> 00:40:41,441
thank you for your service.
958
00:40:41,483 --> 00:40:43,193
[gavel bangs]
959
00:40:43,234 --> 00:40:50,325
* *
960
00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:07,967
- It was the right verdict, put away a guilty man.
961
00:41:08,009 --> 00:41:09,761
- Yeah.
962
00:41:09,803 --> 00:41:14,933
But what happens the next time or the time after that?
963
00:41:14,974 --> 00:41:17,435
This job was hard enough when we knew the difference
964
00:41:17,477 --> 00:41:20,772
between real and fake.
965
00:41:20,814 --> 00:41:22,816
But now?
966
00:41:22,857 --> 00:41:29,781
* *
967
00:41:35,412 --> 00:41:38,373
[dramatic music]
968
00:41:38,415 --> 00:41:45,505
* *
969
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,528
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