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There's a dead woman who's here,
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she doesn't like
the woman who lives here.
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She's really trying to hurt
her while she's sleeping.
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Sometimes when I wake up
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and I got big bruises
all over me.
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My parents, they're
pretty much sitting ducks.
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This hammer comes
flying off the bench.
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It's dangerous to be in here.
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It's scary.
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Things like go flying.
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It's poltergeist activity.
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There's a portal
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directly
from the railroad tracks
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into the backdoor of your house.
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Wow.
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And I really feel like
your family is in trouble.
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She wants the people in here
to die like her family died.
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I keep hearing,
"Murder, murder, murder."
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My name is Cindy Kaza.
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I'm a psychic medium.
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Somebody's conjuring up
the spirits in this house,
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I swear to God.
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I ask questions to the dead...
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These people are grave robbers.
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...to find answers
for the living.
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I'm a 100% sure that we are
dealing with something demonic.
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I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So when he jumped you like
that, what happens?
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It's my job to dig up history
of every house we investigate.
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I wanna talk about
the blood bath.
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And dig up secrets
that wanna stay hidden.
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We've done everything,
we're putting the house down.
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Together we help
terrified families.
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A man's voice said,
"I'm going to kill you."
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Decide whether
it's safe to stay.
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I let him sit there
and fight this thing.
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Well, pack a bag and get out.
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His goal would be
to have you all die.
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This place is creeping me out.
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I don't like the way
it feels in this house.
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That's for sure.
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Okay.
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It feels really,
really dark in here.
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It's the energy in here.
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This house feels really bad.
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This woman that lives here
is really terrified.
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It's like, so terrified.
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This whole thing
is freaking me out.
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I'm in Austin, Indiana.
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It's a small city about an
hour south of Indianapolis.
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I got a call from
a young woman named Paula.
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Now, she tells me her
childhood home is so haunted,
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she got out
the first chance she could.
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But unfortunately her parents
don't have the money to leave.
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And she's scared
they're in serious danger.
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She asked me to meet
at her new house first,
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so we can talk in private.
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Hopefully Cindy and I
can help her out.
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So, Paula, I got to tell you,
it's a beautiful home you have here.
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- Thank you. - But obviously
this is not the home
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that's has the issue.
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No.
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You called 'cause you were
worried about your parents.
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Now, why?
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They're at the house...
all alone.
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You know they are pretty much
sitting ducks
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for everything
that's going to happen.
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That is why I tried
to get them some help.
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Why did you call,
and not your parents?
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I honestly don't think
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they're taking it
as serious as what I am.
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So how old were you
when you moved out?
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I was 21.
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Okay. Do you have siblings?
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I have two older brothers.
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Okay, did either of them
lived with your mom and dad?
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No, it's just, my parents.
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That is my mom, Paula
and my dad, Stanley.
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Okay, so your mom
is a Paula, too.
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Yes.
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And how far
do they live from here?
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About 10-15 minutes.
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- Okay, so they're close.
- Yeah.
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Right, so do you
visit them a lot?
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Yes.
- Okay.
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Do you have any experiences
when you're there?
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Yeah.
- You do.
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Okay, so we'll get in to that
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when we get to your mom's house.
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Can you give me a list
of what they're going through?
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Well, they've been
seeing apparitions.
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Things have been flying
all over the place.
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My mom, she's been
scratched and bruised.
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And it's been
causing them to fight.
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So, do me a favor.
Tell me about the fightin'.
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- Well, both of them are real
happy-go-lucky people. - Okay.
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And for the past couple of years
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it seems like just...
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with the flip of a switch,
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one of them would be snapping
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at the other for no reason.
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So the fighting and stuff,
you're afraid it's gonna
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...break up your parents?
- Yes.
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I have a feeling that
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whatever is in the house
is trying to
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cause them to separate.
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You just have a little faith.
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The main thing
is we're gonna try to help.
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Okay?
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All right.
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Seeing an image of a woman.
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She has blonde hair
that's like about to here.
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And I see her crying,
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and she's really, really,
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really upset.
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I actually feel
like she's alive.
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And I see this connection
with a father and a son,
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like working together
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but I feel like
there's a lot of aggression.
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This family
is in trouble though.
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I mean, the dynamics
between the family members,
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it's really, really off.
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The fighting is so intense,
it feels so extreme.
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It's the aggression.
Everybody is aggressive.
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Everybody is yelling at
each other, the whole family.
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It's paranormal.
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Yeah.
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Paula led me
to her parents' house.
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And as soon as she pulled up
and got out of her car,
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I could feel her tension up.
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So, you're parents
are gonna be back soon.
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So what I wanna do
before they get here
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is talk about your experiences.
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Well, the mood changes.
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I didn't feel I'm until
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we pulled in
and I started walking
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up the stairs.
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I could see, you're very different
from when we're at your place.
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You just kind of somber.
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Does that last the entire
time you're here? - Yes.
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Have you suffered
from depression
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or anything like that?
- No.
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Okay. So, you're not
on any medications
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or anything?
- No.
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All right, so you've got
the mood changes.
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What else can you tell me?
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One time I was here,
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the water heater caught fire.
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All right, so who's home
when this happened?
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Just me.
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So, what makes you think
that fire was paranormal?
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When the fire department
got here,
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they could not find the cause.
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So, if you weren't home
this whole house
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would've burned down.
- Yes.
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Okay. So anything else?
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Sometimes when I'm here
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bruises will just show up
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somewhere on my body.
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So when's the last time
this happened?
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Couple of months ago.
Um, I actually do have a,
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a picture,
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of the last one that I had.
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Wow. Where was this
on your body?
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It was on my left knee.
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Isn't that a pretty
nasty bruise?
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Yeah, and that's
not even actually
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the worst one that I've had.
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You didn't bang into anything
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or nothing like that?
- No.
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I'm not really a klutzy person.
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Honestly, if you
had your choice,
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would you want
your parents to just leave?
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Yes, I would rather
that they did leave,
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I feel like with everything
that's been going on,
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they're not safe.
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They haven't been safe.
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It's just getting worse.
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And I'm afraid that it's
something that can't be fixed.
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Okay.
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There's a man that's standing behind
me, a dead man.
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He's pretty tall.
I see he's bigger guy.
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Can you see him harassing
the living at all?
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Yes, definitely.
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I see him
walking back and forth.
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His footsteps are super loud.
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He tries to intimidate
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by just getting really close
to the people in this house.
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It's like, let's say
you're standing here,
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you can feel somebody coming up
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and getting really close to you.
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Like, he'll make
a noise in your ear.
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Does he do anything else?
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When people are in the kitchen,
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I see him walking behind
and pushing.
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When people come
to open the fridge,
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it's like I see
somebody getting shoved,
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shoved into the counter.
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So Stanley,
your daughter called us in.
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She thinks whatever
is here is pretty dangerous.
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- I mean, do you agree with her?
- Yes, sir, I do.
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You do?
- Yes, sir.
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Okay. Well, she kinda
thinks you guys are...
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little bit in denial?
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At first, Steve, I really was.
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I overlooked it.
- Okay.
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But not so much anymore.
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I understand you guys
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have been fighting as well.
- Yes, sir.
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We can be in the best mood.
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Sitting, laughing and talking.
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And it just like,
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in the next little, bit,
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you know, you just snap.
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You don't seem that type to me.
- No.
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We've got along right.
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We've been
married over 35 years.
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So is it gotten to the point
where you guys
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talked about splittin' up?
- Yes, sir.
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Okay.
- Quite a few times.
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We need help.
We need answers.
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Right.
- If it can be fixed,
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I'd love for it to be fixed.
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I want this to end.
- Right.
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All right. So what experiences
have you had?
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I have an old car.
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It's sitting in the garage.
- Okay.
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Stereo would come on.
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You gotta have a key
for the stereo to come on.
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So, I'm looking around
obviously you're handy.
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It looks like you've done
some mechanic work.
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Are you positive
you had to have the key on
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to have the radio play?
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Yes, sir.
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I've been working on cars
since 16.
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That's stunned me.
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And then one other time
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we heard like a flapped
squeak inside.
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We open the door and come in,
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my wipers...
were flapping on the car.
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Same car?
- Same car.
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Okay. Anything else?
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Me and my son-in-law
was in the garage
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working on my daughter's truck.
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This hammer comes flying off
the bench about eight foot.
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And it come within a foot
from hit me.
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This is no
light-weight hammer. - Yeah.
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Is there any chance
somebody could
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came through the window here?
Is this window open?
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No, sir, its bolted.
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Right, so let me
ask you this question,
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you got a train
two feet from us,
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was a train going by then?
- No, sir.
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No, sir, no train at all.
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So, did anything like that
ever happen again?
257
00:10:21,020 --> 00:10:22,655
Yes, sir, I've had wrenches,
258
00:10:23,379 --> 00:10:25,524
literally fly across the garage.
259
00:10:25,544 --> 00:10:27,710
It's dangerous to be in here.
260
00:10:27,730 --> 00:10:29,876
At times it's scary.
- Yeah.
261
00:10:29,896 --> 00:10:32,827
There's something here.
There's a problem. - Right.
262
00:10:32,847 --> 00:10:34,327
Why don't you just move?
263
00:10:34,347 --> 00:10:35,807
It's financial situation.
264
00:10:35,827 --> 00:10:37,586
We just don't have the money
to move.
265
00:10:37,606 --> 00:10:39,669
Okay.
- Number two...
266
00:10:39,689 --> 00:10:41,800
I just don't want
to pass it on to somebody else
267
00:10:41,820 --> 00:10:43,911
to go through the headaches
we're going through.
268
00:10:43,931 --> 00:10:46,172
You're a good person.
Most people won't even care.
269
00:10:46,192 --> 00:10:48,154
So, I understand that, though.
270
00:10:48,174 --> 00:10:50,137
But we got to fix it then.
271
00:10:53,310 --> 00:10:55,938
I know that
people that come in here,
272
00:10:55,958 --> 00:10:58,586
things with electronics
stop working
273
00:10:58,606 --> 00:11:00,482
or, or they malfunction.
274
00:11:00,931 --> 00:11:02,448
Things start turning on.
275
00:11:03,517 --> 00:11:05,645
I know we've like a lot
of tools and stuff in here
276
00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:07,793
but I feel like it's actually
kind of dangerous,
277
00:11:07,813 --> 00:11:09,566
like things might go flying.
278
00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:12,586
People feel like
they've been hit with things.
279
00:11:12,606 --> 00:11:15,137
It's poltergeist activity
is what I feel.
280
00:11:15,157 --> 00:11:17,669
It's actually pretty dangerous.
- Okay.
281
00:11:17,689 --> 00:11:19,482
You know, I feel like
I'll be ducking like this
282
00:11:19,502 --> 00:11:21,068
because I wouldn't
wanna get hit in head.
283
00:11:22,310 --> 00:11:26,172
So, there's a lot of poltergeist
activity in this space and house.
284
00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:27,965
So aggressive.
285
00:11:49,206 --> 00:11:50,896
So, Paula, talking
to your daughter
286
00:11:50,916 --> 00:11:52,758
she thinks
you're in danger here.
287
00:11:52,778 --> 00:11:53,965
I mean do you agree with her?
288
00:11:54,586 --> 00:11:56,738
Yes, I do.
Um, I'm getting
289
00:11:56,758 --> 00:11:59,083
physically attacked in here.
- Okay.
290
00:11:59,103 --> 00:12:02,179
So are there experiences
you can tell me about?
291
00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:05,275
Few years ago I've seen
a big black figure.
292
00:12:05,295 --> 00:12:06,878
Looked just like
the grim reaper.
293
00:12:06,898 --> 00:12:08,628
And I've seen it in the hallway
294
00:12:08,648 --> 00:12:10,359
when I was coming
out of the room.
295
00:12:10,379 --> 00:12:12,103
Were you drinking...
- No, I don't drink.
296
00:12:12,123 --> 00:12:14,034
Or would've had medication?
- No.
297
00:12:14,054 --> 00:12:15,965
It's nothing like that?
298
00:12:16,931 --> 00:12:19,068
And that's a pretty scary sight.
- Yes, it was.
299
00:12:19,088 --> 00:12:20,793
I will never wanna see it again.
300
00:12:20,813 --> 00:12:22,172
Okay, so what else?
301
00:12:22,586 --> 00:12:24,127
We were painting
302
00:12:24,147 --> 00:12:25,669
in the dining room
303
00:12:25,689 --> 00:12:28,103
and I heard somethin' shatter
304
00:12:28,123 --> 00:12:29,359
and I looked over
305
00:12:29,379 --> 00:12:31,482
and a glass literally picked up
306
00:12:31,502 --> 00:12:32,773
out of the dish drainer
307
00:12:32,793 --> 00:12:35,738
and went into the sink
and it shattered.
308
00:12:35,758 --> 00:12:37,310
Do you have any cats
running around or something?
309
00:12:37,330 --> 00:12:38,669
No, we don't have no cats.
310
00:12:38,689 --> 00:12:40,566
Okay. So what else
is going on?
311
00:12:40,586 --> 00:12:42,275
Me and my husband,
both seen a woman,
312
00:12:42,295 --> 00:12:44,068
another woman in the bedroom.
313
00:12:44,088 --> 00:12:46,290
- Okay, where was she?
- Over by the foot of the bed...
314
00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:48,386
...and she was,
standing over there...
315
00:12:48,406 --> 00:12:50,462
...and she was jerking
on the curtain.
316
00:12:50,482 --> 00:12:53,172
Okay. Do you have nightmares,
like vivid dreams?
317
00:12:53,517 --> 00:12:54,669
I used to.
318
00:12:54,689 --> 00:12:56,482
So this wasn't a nightmare?
- No. No.
319
00:12:56,502 --> 00:12:57,689
Okay.
320
00:13:03,931 --> 00:13:05,034
Um...
321
00:13:09,758 --> 00:13:11,379
I'm gonna do automatic writing.
322
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,965
There's a dead woman
who's here...
323
00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:24,137
she doesn't like the woman
who lives here.
324
00:13:27,206 --> 00:13:30,000
She wishes she would die
of cancer like the others.
325
00:13:35,793 --> 00:13:38,566
This dead woman is a big part
326
00:13:38,586 --> 00:13:41,689
of helping to fuel
this poltergeist activity.
327
00:13:41,709 --> 00:13:43,793
It has her influence
on the family
328
00:13:43,813 --> 00:13:45,655
as really negative and dark.
329
00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,586
What the hell are you
doing here, lady?
330
00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:59,000
All right so you have a
few things going on. Anything else?
331
00:13:59,020 --> 00:14:01,103
Yeah, the other night
we went to bed
332
00:14:01,123 --> 00:14:02,773
and we had just laid down
333
00:14:02,793 --> 00:14:05,689
and we heard somebody banging
on the front of the headboard.
334
00:14:06,931 --> 00:14:08,000
This headboard right here?
335
00:14:08,020 --> 00:14:09,359
Yes.
- How loud?
336
00:14:09,379 --> 00:14:11,448
Very loud. It was
337
00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:13,213
Like that?
338
00:14:14,379 --> 00:14:17,275
So I assume going back to sleep
that night must have been tough.
339
00:14:17,295 --> 00:14:18,775
Yeah, we didn't
go back to sleep.
340
00:14:18,795 --> 00:14:20,275
You didn't?
- No, I stayed up.
341
00:14:20,295 --> 00:14:22,152
Okay, so what else?
342
00:14:22,172 --> 00:14:25,206
I've been gettin' scratches
all over my body.
343
00:14:25,226 --> 00:14:27,758
Okay, so specifically
where on the body?
344
00:14:27,778 --> 00:14:29,876
On my chest, arms and legs.
345
00:14:29,896 --> 00:14:31,310
How often you
getting these scratches?
346
00:14:31,330 --> 00:14:32,773
Yeah, at least once a month.
347
00:14:32,793 --> 00:14:34,586
Does dog sleep in bed
with you guys?
348
00:14:34,606 --> 00:14:36,669
No, we don't put her in the bed.
349
00:14:36,689 --> 00:14:38,886
All right so what else
is going on here?
350
00:14:38,906 --> 00:14:41,184
I sometimes will be asleep
and wake up
351
00:14:41,204 --> 00:14:42,988
and I got
big bruises all over me.
352
00:14:43,008 --> 00:14:44,773
Now, your daughter
mentioned to me,
353
00:14:44,793 --> 00:14:46,462
she showed me a photo,
one of her bruises
354
00:14:46,482 --> 00:14:48,482
and mentioned that she had
bruise on the back of her leg.
355
00:14:48,502 --> 00:14:50,172
Are you getting on that part
of your body as well?
356
00:14:50,192 --> 00:14:53,000
Yeah, on my legs, arms, chest.
357
00:14:53,020 --> 00:14:54,152
Okay.
358
00:14:54,172 --> 00:14:57,068
Few times I've had them on
across my, arm,
359
00:14:57,088 --> 00:14:58,775
or pretty close to my wrist,
360
00:14:58,795 --> 00:15:00,232
and it looks like three fingers.
361
00:15:00,252 --> 00:15:01,667
Well, I've got to ask,
362
00:15:01,687 --> 00:15:03,333
when you guys
were in bed, I mean,
363
00:15:03,353 --> 00:15:05,000
does your husband
sleep violently?
364
00:15:05,020 --> 00:15:06,773
No, he don't.
- Okay.
365
00:15:06,793 --> 00:15:08,793
So, I gotta ask you, I mean,
if we can't figure out
366
00:15:08,813 --> 00:15:10,255
how to stop this from happening,
367
00:15:10,275 --> 00:15:12,379
would you wanna leave?
- Yeah, I do.
368
00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:13,497
You do.
369
00:15:13,517 --> 00:15:15,300
I just don't wanna
live here anymore.
370
00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,083
Okay.
- Yeah, I just want some peace.
371
00:15:17,103 --> 00:15:19,103
I don't blame you.
I don't know how you're living
372
00:15:19,123 --> 00:15:21,137
like you're doing now, so, okay.
373
00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:28,793
Whoever sleeps in this
room wakes up with bruises.
374
00:15:28,813 --> 00:15:31,517
And this dead woman
is causing the bruises.
375
00:15:31,537 --> 00:15:33,551
So I see her grabbing the arm...
376
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:35,669
So I know she's,
377
00:15:35,689 --> 00:15:37,186
she's really trying to hurt her
378
00:15:37,206 --> 00:15:40,644
while she's sleeping
and she's really vulnerable.
379
00:15:40,664 --> 00:15:44,103
I see her walking behind
the woman who lives here,
380
00:15:44,123 --> 00:15:45,152
and putting her hands
381
00:15:45,172 --> 00:15:47,152
on the top of this woman's neck.
382
00:15:47,172 --> 00:15:50,275
This dead woman is making her
have bad dreams.
383
00:15:50,295 --> 00:15:51,862
She feels like
she's been chased.
384
00:15:52,586 --> 00:15:54,103
She feels like she's in danger.
385
00:15:54,123 --> 00:15:55,689
She feels terrified.
386
00:15:55,709 --> 00:15:57,255
When people are sleeping
387
00:15:57,275 --> 00:15:59,689
she wants people to feel like
they can't breathe.
388
00:15:59,709 --> 00:16:01,172
They're suffocating.
389
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,827
She wants people to feel like...
390
00:16:04,758 --> 00:16:06,172
they're burning alive.
391
00:16:06,862 --> 00:16:08,655
She's trying to burn
this place down.
392
00:16:16,586 --> 00:16:17,793
We've done
a few cases in this area.
393
00:16:17,813 --> 00:16:19,669
So I called on some old contacts
394
00:16:19,689 --> 00:16:22,655
to do some digging on Paula
and Stanley's property for me.
395
00:16:22,675 --> 00:16:24,531
I got a call back
from a local author.
396
00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:27,172
It turns out one of
the early owners of the land
397
00:16:27,192 --> 00:16:29,068
suffered so many tragedies,
398
00:16:29,088 --> 00:16:30,965
it literally drove them mad.
399
00:16:37,482 --> 00:16:39,068
Phyllis,
it's good to see you again.
400
00:16:39,088 --> 00:16:40,083
It's good to see you.
401
00:16:40,103 --> 00:16:42,482
All right,
so this woman, who was she?
402
00:16:42,502 --> 00:16:45,566
Well, her name
was Mary Adeline Barlow.
403
00:16:45,586 --> 00:16:50,635
And she married a local man,
named, Penny Hardy in 1862.
404
00:16:50,655 --> 00:16:53,758
All right. So that's in the middle
of Civil War. Did this guy serve?
405
00:16:53,778 --> 00:16:57,379
So Penny enlisted
about two years after they got married
406
00:16:57,399 --> 00:17:00,896
and served in
the Indiana 13th Infantry.
407
00:17:00,916 --> 00:17:02,241
Okay, so how did it go for him?
408
00:17:02,261 --> 00:17:03,465
I mean, did he get injured?
409
00:17:03,485 --> 00:17:04,870
Did he get through it okay?
410
00:17:04,890 --> 00:17:06,255
Well, we're not really sure
411
00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:08,566
but he did get
an invalid pension
412
00:17:08,586 --> 00:17:11,000
which seems to indicate
that he was either injured
413
00:17:11,020 --> 00:17:13,689
or suffered
some sort of health ailment.
414
00:17:13,709 --> 00:17:15,152
Okay, so that would be like
415
00:17:15,172 --> 00:17:16,566
a disability pension today?
- Yes.
416
00:17:16,586 --> 00:17:18,378
All right, so now
he's back from the war,
417
00:17:18,398 --> 00:17:20,378
did they decide
to start a family?
418
00:17:20,398 --> 00:17:22,255
Yeah, they settled in Austin
419
00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:24,172
with the hopes of starting
their own family
420
00:17:24,192 --> 00:17:25,982
but unfortunately
they weren't able
421
00:17:26,002 --> 00:17:27,887
to have their own
biological children.
422
00:17:27,907 --> 00:17:29,773
So, it's just
the two of them then?
423
00:17:29,793 --> 00:17:31,862
Well, they ended up
adopting three children.
424
00:17:31,882 --> 00:17:33,275
All right,
so they can't have kids,
425
00:17:33,295 --> 00:17:34,462
but they make the best of it,
426
00:17:34,482 --> 00:17:36,428
and bring three kids in.
427
00:17:36,448 --> 00:17:38,793
Well, when did they buy
my client's property?
428
00:17:38,813 --> 00:17:41,531
They bought
that property in 1892.
429
00:17:41,551 --> 00:17:43,793
By that point
the children were all grown
430
00:17:43,813 --> 00:17:45,152
and had their own families.
431
00:17:45,172 --> 00:17:47,462
On the phone
you said she suffered.
432
00:17:47,482 --> 00:17:49,765
So what kind of tragedies
are we talking about?
433
00:17:49,785 --> 00:17:52,068
Well, about six years
after they buy the property,
434
00:17:52,088 --> 00:17:55,083
they lose their grandson David.
435
00:17:55,103 --> 00:17:57,524
He was ten years old
and he died of tuberculosis.
436
00:17:57,544 --> 00:17:59,965
In fact I have his
death certificate right here.
437
00:18:01,034 --> 00:18:03,334
And it turned out too
that years later
438
00:18:03,354 --> 00:18:05,635
they lost their
oldest daughter, Maggie
439
00:18:05,655 --> 00:18:09,137
when she was 48 years old
to that same disease.
440
00:18:09,157 --> 00:18:10,965
And this is her
death certificate.
441
00:18:12,689 --> 00:18:14,255
All right, so now
they've got a grandson
442
00:18:14,275 --> 00:18:17,344
who's dead from TB and their
oldest daughter. -
443
00:18:17,364 --> 00:18:18,965
Things got any belter for them?
444
00:18:18,985 --> 00:18:21,120
No, unfortunately they don't.
445
00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:23,255
Um, in 1912 Mary loses Penny.
446
00:18:23,275 --> 00:18:27,034
He dies at the age of 71,
on the property
447
00:18:27,054 --> 00:18:29,172
from what's called
acute indigestion
448
00:18:29,192 --> 00:18:31,635
on his death certificate here.
449
00:18:31,655 --> 00:18:34,645
Which is probably
more or less a heart attack.
450
00:18:34,665 --> 00:18:37,655
He suffered for about
ten hours before he died.
451
00:18:37,675 --> 00:18:38,965
All right, so now Penny is gone,
452
00:18:38,985 --> 00:18:39,911
and we got Mary all alone
453
00:18:39,931 --> 00:18:41,275
'cause the kids are grown and gone.
454
00:18:41,295 --> 00:18:43,324
You had mentioned
she went insane?
455
00:18:43,344 --> 00:18:45,566
It just seemed to be
a bit too much for her.
456
00:18:45,586 --> 00:18:51,462
- In 1919 Mary's committed to
the state insane asylum. - Okay.
457
00:18:51,482 --> 00:18:53,566
And, she lives there
for about a year,
458
00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:58,206
and then dies of psychosis
and arteriosclerosis.
459
00:18:58,862 --> 00:18:59,773
I guess it all got to her
460
00:18:59,793 --> 00:19:01,507
and that's why
she got committed.
461
00:19:01,527 --> 00:19:03,241
I would imagine
it was very tough
462
00:19:03,261 --> 00:19:05,241
to be alone at that point.
463
00:19:08,482 --> 00:19:09,738
Something really awful
464
00:19:09,758 --> 00:19:12,517
happened to
the angry dead woman in life.
465
00:19:17,275 --> 00:19:19,048
I'm hearing the name Mary,
466
00:19:19,068 --> 00:19:21,359
and she lost her family
to a tragedy.
467
00:19:21,379 --> 00:19:24,482
I feel like there's got to be a
fire where it wiped out a family.
468
00:19:24,502 --> 00:19:28,172
Like a big fire.
A lot of people died in this family.
469
00:19:28,192 --> 00:19:31,862
She wants the people in here
to die like her family died.
470
00:19:35,758 --> 00:19:38,241
So I just got a call
from local genealogist.
471
00:19:38,261 --> 00:19:41,117
He told me he hit paydirt.
472
00:19:41,137 --> 00:19:43,000
It turns out
another former owner
473
00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:44,482
of Paula and Stanley's land
474
00:19:44,502 --> 00:19:45,876
was the only survivor
475
00:19:45,896 --> 00:19:47,965
of a long and bloody
family feud.
476
00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:50,241
This I got to hear about.
477
00:19:58,137 --> 00:20:00,586
All right, so John,
this guy owned my client's property.
478
00:20:00,606 --> 00:20:02,482
What do we know about him?
479
00:20:02,502 --> 00:20:04,359
His name was Dan Gibson.
480
00:20:04,379 --> 00:20:08,255
He was born in 1911
in Sneedville, Tennessee.
481
00:20:08,275 --> 00:20:10,551
All right, so this feud.
What the hell was that all about?
482
00:20:11,172 --> 00:20:13,462
It was an old family feud
483
00:20:13,482 --> 00:20:18,034
across state lines, between the Gibson
family and a family called Spurlocks.
484
00:20:18,054 --> 00:20:20,255
It started in Tennessee.
485
00:20:20,275 --> 00:20:22,851
Probably over wanting
liquor during Prohibition
486
00:20:22,871 --> 00:20:25,448
and it pretty much
decimated both families.
487
00:20:25,468 --> 00:20:26,566
In what way?
488
00:20:26,586 --> 00:20:29,448
In 1930 two of Spurlock boys
489
00:20:30,137 --> 00:20:31,980
came down to Indiana
490
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,103
tracked down Dan Gibson's father
491
00:20:34,123 --> 00:20:36,048
and shot him.
492
00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:37,275
Okay, so they shoot
and kill him.
493
00:20:37,295 --> 00:20:38,654
They shot and killed him.
494
00:20:38,674 --> 00:20:40,014
What happens after that?
495
00:20:40,034 --> 00:20:42,758
Well, they went to his funeral.
496
00:20:43,482 --> 00:20:45,575
And they got arrested
at his funeral.
497
00:20:45,595 --> 00:20:47,689
And when the trial
was supposed to start
498
00:20:47,709 --> 00:20:49,931
four of Patten's children
499
00:20:50,551 --> 00:20:52,248
went to the jail...
- Okay.
500
00:20:52,268 --> 00:20:53,945
...to seek
their own justice.
501
00:20:53,965 --> 00:20:56,196
So out of the four kids
was the guy Dan
502
00:20:56,216 --> 00:20:58,428
that owns my client's property
one of them?
503
00:20:58,448 --> 00:21:02,000
He was. He went into the prison
with three of his brothers.
504
00:21:02,020 --> 00:21:04,051
While all that was happening,
505
00:21:04,071 --> 00:21:06,103
Odie, one of the Gibson brothers
506
00:21:06,551 --> 00:21:07,773
got shot and killed.
507
00:21:07,793 --> 00:21:10,172
Okay so Odie is one of the
Gibsons and he's killed.
508
00:21:10,192 --> 00:21:12,862
What about our boy Dan
and the other brother?
509
00:21:12,882 --> 00:21:15,324
Dan and another brother
got away.
510
00:21:15,344 --> 00:21:17,758
Fourth brother that was wounded
was arrested on the spot.
511
00:21:17,778 --> 00:21:20,241
All right, so our boy Dan
buys my client's property.
512
00:21:20,261 --> 00:21:21,462
When does he do that?
513
00:21:21,482 --> 00:21:24,551
He bought that property
when he was 56 years old
514
00:21:24,571 --> 00:21:26,655
and that was in 1967.
515
00:21:27,172 --> 00:21:28,344
Surprised he lived that long.
516
00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:29,876
So am I.
517
00:21:29,896 --> 00:21:31,359
All right, so Dan's 56,
518
00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:32,980
and he's buying
my client's property.
519
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,379
I mean is he married,
does he have kids, what's the story?
520
00:21:35,399 --> 00:21:38,982
He actually married a woman
named Elphaba Bush,
521
00:21:39,002 --> 00:21:42,422
and together they had six
children that we know of.
522
00:21:42,442 --> 00:21:45,862
All right, so it's 1967,
he's married with six kids.
523
00:21:45,882 --> 00:21:48,224
He survives the feud, right?
- Yes, sir.
524
00:21:48,244 --> 00:21:50,586
So how does it go
for him at the time?
525
00:21:50,606 --> 00:21:52,275
Not bad for three years.
526
00:21:52,295 --> 00:21:55,221
But then in 1970,
527
00:21:55,241 --> 00:21:58,627
when he turned 59,
he had a massive heart attack.
528
00:21:58,647 --> 00:22:02,034
He died within 12 hours
having that heart attack.
529
00:22:02,054 --> 00:22:03,635
Okay, so he died a young man.
530
00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:05,610
He did.
Here's an article about it.
531
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:07,566
So here's the guy that survives
532
00:22:07,586 --> 00:22:10,034
the feisty family feud, right?
- That's correct.
533
00:22:10,054 --> 00:22:12,172
And dies at an young age of 59.
534
00:22:12,192 --> 00:22:13,669
Painfully dies.
535
00:22:13,689 --> 00:22:17,000
All right so he's dead.
I assume Elpha property at this point.
536
00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:18,982
Elpha didn't get the property.
537
00:22:19,002 --> 00:22:20,973
But about a year after he died,
538
00:22:20,993 --> 00:22:22,945
she contracted stomach cancer.
539
00:22:22,965 --> 00:22:26,275
Now she suffered from the stomach
cancer for about six years.
540
00:22:26,295 --> 00:22:28,482
When she was getting
towards the end of her life
541
00:22:28,502 --> 00:22:30,689
she decided to try to sell
part of the property.
542
00:22:30,709 --> 00:22:32,945
And she sells this house
543
00:22:32,965 --> 00:22:34,965
to a family called the Borgers.
544
00:22:34,985 --> 00:22:37,327
When she passed away
545
00:22:37,347 --> 00:22:39,669
there was no clear will.
546
00:22:39,689 --> 00:22:43,793
So this got real messy.
Everybody contested ownership.
547
00:22:43,813 --> 00:22:46,241
And it spent
ten years in the court.
548
00:22:46,261 --> 00:22:47,738
And finally
549
00:22:47,758 --> 00:22:49,566
it came down that the Borgers
550
00:22:49,586 --> 00:22:51,689
did in fact own
this piece of property.
551
00:22:51,709 --> 00:22:53,344
But there's one more twist.
552
00:22:53,896 --> 00:22:54,876
Okay.
553
00:22:54,896 --> 00:22:57,379
Mr. Borger who ended up
owning the property
554
00:22:57,399 --> 00:22:59,689
was related
to Spurlocks by marriage.
555
00:22:59,709 --> 00:23:01,773
You're joking.
- No, sir.
556
00:23:01,793 --> 00:23:04,172
Probably a good thing,
Dan was dead at this point.
557
00:23:04,192 --> 00:23:06,310
Probably, yes, or the feud
would've started over.
558
00:23:09,172 --> 00:23:12,034
I'm seeing the
dead guy who shoves people.
559
00:23:12,054 --> 00:23:14,103
He's having
a really hard time breathing.
560
00:23:17,793 --> 00:23:19,152
I'm seeing him coughing.
561
00:23:19,172 --> 00:23:20,551
But I feel like he's choking.
562
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,965
But I feel like he died of
heart attack, really.
563
00:23:26,985 --> 00:23:29,137
I keep seeing him
grabbing his chest.
564
00:23:30,379 --> 00:23:32,793
And then I see him falling over.
565
00:23:32,813 --> 00:23:34,255
I keep hearing the name
566
00:23:34,275 --> 00:23:37,255
like a Ron or Don or something.
567
00:23:37,275 --> 00:23:39,379
I just feel like
he died suddenly.
568
00:23:39,399 --> 00:23:40,669
I keep hearing him saying,
569
00:23:40,689 --> 00:23:42,793
I want my money,
I want my money,
570
00:23:42,813 --> 00:23:43,842
I want my money.
571
00:23:43,862 --> 00:23:47,034
So, this is like
a family quarrel over money.
572
00:23:47,054 --> 00:23:48,773
He's just really pissed off
573
00:23:48,793 --> 00:23:50,945
about the money
and the family will.
574
00:23:50,965 --> 00:23:53,689
He's not leaving until
he's paid what he's owed.
575
00:23:53,709 --> 00:23:55,655
This feels really bad.
576
00:23:57,965 --> 00:23:59,462
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577
00:23:59,482 --> 00:24:01,862
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578
00:24:01,882 --> 00:24:03,310
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579
00:24:03,330 --> 00:24:04,758
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580
00:24:07,586 --> 00:24:09,000
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581
00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:10,152
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582
00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:11,517
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583
00:24:16,379 --> 00:24:18,482
So far I've got a client
terrified something evil
584
00:24:18,502 --> 00:24:20,773
is out to harm her parents
585
00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,842
on a property
where the former owner
586
00:24:22,862 --> 00:24:26,551
was involved in a long
and bloody family feud.
587
00:24:26,571 --> 00:24:28,310
But I wanna see
if there's anything else.
588
00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:31,006
Searching through old records,
589
00:24:31,026 --> 00:24:32,462
I came across an infamous gang
590
00:24:32,482 --> 00:24:34,255
that committed
deadly train robberies
591
00:24:34,275 --> 00:24:37,000
on the tracks right behind
my client's house.
592
00:24:38,551 --> 00:24:40,462
So, I'm headed back
to Paula and Stanley's place
593
00:24:40,482 --> 00:24:42,793
to meet with a local historian
who tells me in the end
594
00:24:42,813 --> 00:24:44,603
this violent gang faced justice
595
00:24:44,623 --> 00:24:46,413
but it wasn't from the law.
596
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
It was from a pissed off mob.
597
00:24:55,551 --> 00:24:57,793
Well, Bryan, it's good to see you again.
- Good to see you.
598
00:24:57,813 --> 00:25:00,068
So this gang,
what can you tell me about?
599
00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:01,980
There was the Reno Gang,
600
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,862
and the Reno Gang was probably
one the most infamous
601
00:25:04,882 --> 00:25:07,876
train robbers
in United States history.
602
00:25:07,896 --> 00:25:11,834
Their reign of terror lasted
from about 1864 to 1868.
603
00:25:11,854 --> 00:25:15,793
They would go on to inspire
characters, criminals,
604
00:25:15,813 --> 00:25:18,275
like Butch Cassidy
and the Sundance Kid,
605
00:25:18,295 --> 00:25:19,428
or Jesse James.
606
00:25:19,448 --> 00:25:20,896
All right you called them
the Reno Gang,
607
00:25:20,916 --> 00:25:22,566
who's actually in the gang?
608
00:25:22,586 --> 00:25:25,255
They were basically
between ten to 12 guys,
609
00:25:25,275 --> 00:25:29,517
but the main core of them
were four brothers. - Okay.
610
00:25:30,241 --> 00:25:32,359
This is Frank Reno.
He was the eldest.
611
00:25:32,379 --> 00:25:34,586
He's a hardcore looking guy.
- Yes, he is.
612
00:25:34,606 --> 00:25:37,137
And then this is his
next brother.
613
00:25:37,157 --> 00:25:38,773
That's John Reno.
614
00:25:38,793 --> 00:25:40,610
Okay, so we got Frank and John.
615
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:42,428
Who are the other two brothers?
616
00:25:42,448 --> 00:25:44,645
The next one would have been
William and Simeon.
617
00:25:44,665 --> 00:25:46,862
So, Bryan, you mentioned
they started terrorizing
618
00:25:46,882 --> 00:25:48,724
people in this area,
what were they doing?
619
00:25:50,275 --> 00:25:53,482
They robbed the train
of about $16,000.
620
00:25:53,502 --> 00:25:54,980
That is like how much now?
621
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,482
Well, that was about
$300,000 back then. - Right.
622
00:25:57,502 --> 00:25:59,738
Two of the brothers
were arrested.
623
00:25:59,758 --> 00:26:02,689
But one of the witnesses
that was on the train,
624
00:26:02,709 --> 00:26:04,462
his name was George Kenny.
625
00:26:04,482 --> 00:26:06,368
Guys from the gang,
the Reno Gang,
626
00:26:06,388 --> 00:26:08,275
they knocked on his door
and kill him.
627
00:26:08,295 --> 00:26:10,048
So now there's no eyewitness.
628
00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:12,876
So they let him go.
- Okay, so...
629
00:26:12,896 --> 00:26:14,896
these guys really knew what
they were doing back then.
630
00:26:14,916 --> 00:26:17,221
Like modern-day mafia stuff.
- Bingo.
631
00:26:17,241 --> 00:26:19,300
So, Bryan, you'd told me
that this robbery took place
632
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,379
right on this line,
right behind my client's property.
633
00:26:21,399 --> 00:26:23,275
Yes, right on this line.
- Okay.
634
00:26:23,295 --> 00:26:25,359
And then in May of 1868
635
00:26:25,379 --> 00:26:28,048
they decided
to pull off the big one,
636
00:26:28,068 --> 00:26:31,965
just two miles from here
at a town called Marshfield,
637
00:26:31,985 --> 00:26:34,327
that doesn't exist anymore...
- Okay.
638
00:26:34,347 --> 00:26:36,669
...they decided to rob
the express train.
639
00:26:36,689 --> 00:26:39,896
They overpowered the gentleman
that was protecting the safes,
640
00:26:39,916 --> 00:26:41,620
his name was Thomas Harkins,
641
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,324
and they knocked him out
642
00:26:43,344 --> 00:26:45,896
and when the train
was going 50 miles an hour
643
00:26:45,916 --> 00:26:47,637
they threw him out of train.
644
00:26:47,657 --> 00:26:49,111
I see these guys had no mercy.
645
00:26:49,131 --> 00:26:50,586
They didn't care about nothing.
646
00:26:50,606 --> 00:26:52,068
No mercy at all.
647
00:26:54,034 --> 00:26:55,689
So that's
another murder they commit.
648
00:26:55,709 --> 00:26:57,428
That's another one.
649
00:26:57,448 --> 00:27:00,455
All right. So what was
the score on this robbery?
650
00:27:00,475 --> 00:27:03,482
Score on this robbery was $96,000.
651
00:27:03,502 --> 00:27:05,275
We don't think a lot
about that now
652
00:27:05,295 --> 00:27:07,637
but that is in the millions,
653
00:27:07,657 --> 00:27:09,697
but they decided to get greedy.
654
00:27:09,717 --> 00:27:11,486
So, they were gonna
try to take on
655
00:27:11,506 --> 00:27:13,255
another express train.
- Okay.
656
00:27:13,275 --> 00:27:15,506
Well, the
Pinkerton Detective Agency,
657
00:27:15,526 --> 00:27:17,758
they tracked down
one of the gang members
658
00:27:17,778 --> 00:27:19,775
arrested him and he flipped.
659
00:27:19,795 --> 00:27:21,773
Okay.
- Decided to tell.
660
00:27:21,793 --> 00:27:23,275
All right, so they got
this guy, he flips.
661
00:27:23,295 --> 00:27:24,980
Does it lead to any arrests?
662
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,551
Yes, they ended up
arresting all the gang members
663
00:27:27,571 --> 00:27:28,876
except one.
664
00:27:28,896 --> 00:27:31,610
Now you mentioned
on the phone that...
665
00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:34,373
they received mob justice.
What happened then?
666
00:27:34,393 --> 00:27:37,137
They were over
in New Albany, Indiana jail
667
00:27:37,157 --> 00:27:38,945
and 65 members
668
00:27:38,965 --> 00:27:42,162
of the Jackson County
Vigilance society
669
00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:45,379
decided to do justice
on their own.
670
00:27:45,399 --> 00:27:47,359
They rushed in to the jail,
671
00:27:47,379 --> 00:27:50,793
tortured the sheriff,
they shot him to get his keys.
672
00:27:50,813 --> 00:27:53,327
They finally got the keys,
tied rope around
673
00:27:53,347 --> 00:27:55,862
Frank, Simeon, William
and Charlie Anderson,
674
00:27:55,882 --> 00:27:57,738
threw them over the side
and hung them.
675
00:27:57,758 --> 00:28:00,965
Okay, so these guys are hung
by vigilantes basically.
676
00:28:00,985 --> 00:28:03,255
That's correct, and as they say
677
00:28:03,275 --> 00:28:06,655
it was "Judge Lynch"
that took care of them.
678
00:28:07,551 --> 00:28:10,386
Nobody was ever prosecuted
for any of this.
679
00:28:10,406 --> 00:28:13,241
So this vigilante group
doing what they did,
680
00:28:13,261 --> 00:28:15,206
they had to be
terrified at these guys
681
00:28:15,226 --> 00:28:17,152
and really wanted them dead.
- Yes,
682
00:28:17,172 --> 00:28:20,034
for the simple reason they were
terrorizing this community.
683
00:28:23,655 --> 00:28:26,255
This house is a portal.
684
00:28:26,275 --> 00:28:29,448
So there's a lot of spirits
coming in and out.
685
00:28:29,468 --> 00:28:31,655
It's all the energy
from the train tracks
686
00:28:31,675 --> 00:28:33,310
and the train coming through.
687
00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:34,965
It's causing a portal to open up
688
00:28:34,985 --> 00:28:36,531
and affect this family.
689
00:28:36,551 --> 00:28:39,137
Spirits, they're like
walking into the house.
690
00:28:39,157 --> 00:28:40,965
It's like a free-for-all.
691
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,241
A lot of them are random.
It's not safe.
692
00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:46,876
Do they just come and go?
693
00:28:46,896 --> 00:28:49,172
Some of them come and go.
Some of them get stuck.
694
00:28:49,192 --> 00:28:50,255
And the ones that get stuck,
695
00:28:50,275 --> 00:28:51,862
they're creating
a problem in the house.
696
00:28:59,379 --> 00:29:01,862
I saw a lot of terrible things
in my walk.
697
00:29:01,882 --> 00:29:04,048
But two had me very concerned.
698
00:29:04,068 --> 00:29:06,551
First the portal bringing
dead people into the house.
699
00:29:07,379 --> 00:29:10,241
I saw a portal literally coming
700
00:29:10,261 --> 00:29:11,669
from the train tracks,
701
00:29:11,689 --> 00:29:14,793
where the spirits
were coming out of the tracks
702
00:29:14,813 --> 00:29:16,827
and walking into the house.
703
00:29:17,965 --> 00:29:22,862
Like all different ages,
heights, different time periods,
704
00:29:22,882 --> 00:29:25,068
but they look more like shadows.
705
00:29:25,482 --> 00:29:26,738
How is this?
706
00:29:26,758 --> 00:29:27,842
Yeah, that looks pretty good.
707
00:29:27,862 --> 00:29:30,214
Maybe just add
a few more people.
708
00:29:30,234 --> 00:29:32,586
Next, I describe
the angry dead woman
709
00:29:32,606 --> 00:29:34,655
attacking a living woman in bed.
710
00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:37,669
This dead woman leaves bruises
711
00:29:37,689 --> 00:29:41,206
on the living woman's arm
and body.
712
00:29:42,034 --> 00:29:43,842
She's asleep but it's like
713
00:29:43,862 --> 00:29:45,379
she's having
a really bad nightmare.
714
00:29:45,399 --> 00:29:46,655
That's how I draw her.
715
00:29:51,586 --> 00:29:53,068
Cindy, is that what you saw?
716
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,517
That's exactly what I saw.
717
00:30:07,862 --> 00:30:11,068
Now that Cindy and I have
completed our investigations,
718
00:30:11,088 --> 00:30:13,655
we are ready to reveal
our findings to each other
719
00:30:13,675 --> 00:30:16,068
and our clients
for the first time.
720
00:30:16,088 --> 00:30:17,758
So, Cindy, I want you to meet
721
00:30:17,778 --> 00:30:20,000
Paula and Stanley.
722
00:30:20,793 --> 00:30:22,551
This is their
daughter Paula Jr.,
723
00:30:22,571 --> 00:30:23,669
who lives nearby.
724
00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:25,876
She's actually the one
who called us in,
725
00:30:25,896 --> 00:30:28,137
because she was worried sick
about her parents.
726
00:30:28,157 --> 00:30:30,586
These guys
are desperate for a solution
727
00:30:30,606 --> 00:30:32,428
so they can get
their lives back.
728
00:30:32,448 --> 00:30:34,482
So unless Cindy
has some questions for you,
729
00:30:34,502 --> 00:30:35,827
she'll tell us about her walk.
730
00:30:39,793 --> 00:30:41,482
So the first thing
I wanna talk about is
731
00:30:41,502 --> 00:30:43,931
a dead guy who's very present
732
00:30:44,379 --> 00:30:45,359
in your home.
733
00:30:45,379 --> 00:30:47,103
He spends a lot of time
in the living room
734
00:30:47,123 --> 00:30:48,741
and in the kitchen.
735
00:30:48,761 --> 00:30:50,267
He's a really big guy.
736
00:30:50,287 --> 00:30:52,219
He wears big heavy boots,
737
00:30:52,239 --> 00:30:54,152
so you should hear footsteps.
738
00:30:54,172 --> 00:30:56,172
And he gets
really close to people
739
00:30:56,192 --> 00:30:58,117
and tries to intimidate them.
740
00:30:58,137 --> 00:31:00,689
And I also saw him
shoving someone
741
00:31:00,709 --> 00:31:02,206
in the kitchen area.
742
00:31:03,275 --> 00:31:05,980
So one of the stuff
she just said,
743
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,241
we didn't talk about but I saw
you guys nodding your heads.
744
00:31:08,261 --> 00:31:11,724
Yes, sir, earlier today
she was in the shower
745
00:31:12,551 --> 00:31:14,152
and I was sittin' on the couch
746
00:31:14,172 --> 00:31:17,379
and I hear her hollerin'
for me to come back there.
747
00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:20,324
She just got shoved in shower.
748
00:31:20,344 --> 00:31:22,000
I just fell completely
fell out of tub.
749
00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:23,655
I had to grab hold of the wall.
750
00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,172
All right, you're okay, though?
751
00:31:26,896 --> 00:31:27,980
It hurt my leg.
752
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,344
I'm sorry to hear that.
753
00:31:30,137 --> 00:31:31,462
Right. Any idea who this guy
754
00:31:31,482 --> 00:31:33,034
might have been
when he was alive?
755
00:31:33,054 --> 00:31:34,965
I got the name Ron or Don.
756
00:31:35,379 --> 00:31:36,566
I saw his death.
757
00:31:36,586 --> 00:31:37,876
I saw that he couldn't breathe.
758
00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:40,679
He grabbed his chest
and then he fell over.
759
00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:43,482
So, I really think
he died from heart attack,
760
00:31:43,502 --> 00:31:46,172
and he's super fixated on money.
761
00:31:47,103 --> 00:31:49,965
So there's something
to do with the family will.
762
00:31:49,985 --> 00:31:51,255
He wants to move on
763
00:31:51,275 --> 00:31:52,980
but he's not gonna do it
764
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,127
until he gets
what he thinks he's owed.
765
00:31:55,147 --> 00:31:57,235
Definitely makes me
think of somebody
766
00:31:57,255 --> 00:31:59,324
I came across
during my research.
767
00:31:59,344 --> 00:32:02,230
There was a former owner
named Dan Gibson
768
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:05,117
who was born in 1911
to a large family.
769
00:32:05,137 --> 00:32:08,275
His family the Gibsons
were in a violent feud,
770
00:32:08,295 --> 00:32:10,379
here in Indiana,
with another family
771
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:12,014
called the Spurlocks.
772
00:32:12,034 --> 00:32:15,172
His dad and at least
one of his brothers
773
00:32:15,192 --> 00:32:17,945
died in the feud from gunshots.
774
00:32:17,965 --> 00:32:20,635
Now Gibson
bought your land in 1967.
775
00:32:20,655 --> 00:32:23,007
Three years later
he dropped dead of a...
776
00:32:23,027 --> 00:32:25,379
A heart attack?
- ...of a heart attack.
777
00:32:25,399 --> 00:32:26,842
Wow.
778
00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:28,048
Now you said
the guy's pissed off
779
00:32:28,068 --> 00:32:29,862
about the money and the family
will, right? -
780
00:32:29,882 --> 00:32:31,965
Okay. So after he died
his kids...
781
00:32:32,655 --> 00:32:34,531
ended up in a long court battle
782
00:32:34,551 --> 00:32:37,000
with another family
fighting over the property.
783
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:38,876
And here's the kick in the ass.
784
00:32:38,896 --> 00:32:40,482
The other family
they were fighting with
785
00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:42,241
over the land was related to...
786
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,172
the Spurlocks.
787
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,344
Could Dan be the guy
you might have seen?
788
00:32:48,364 --> 00:32:50,980
I mean, yeah, the fact that,
789
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,255
I felt the heart attack
in the house,
790
00:32:53,275 --> 00:32:54,551
he's pissed about money...
- Yeah.
791
00:32:54,571 --> 00:32:55,851
...it all make sense.
792
00:32:56,379 --> 00:32:57,620
What's the matter, honey?
793
00:32:58,586 --> 00:33:00,241
I've also had a, um...
794
00:33:01,068 --> 00:33:03,006
really vivid dream
795
00:33:03,026 --> 00:33:04,965
of my oldest brother
796
00:33:05,482 --> 00:33:06,551
shooting me
797
00:33:07,586 --> 00:33:09,551
over... a house.
798
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,241
Really?
- Yeah.
799
00:33:12,551 --> 00:33:15,403
I feel like your dream
could be related
800
00:33:15,423 --> 00:33:17,839
to what this man's
family experienced.
801
00:33:17,859 --> 00:33:20,643
I think that
you're really sensitive
802
00:33:20,663 --> 00:33:23,448
and I think that
that dream was maybe
803
00:33:23,468 --> 00:33:24,738
Dan's communicating with you
804
00:33:24,758 --> 00:33:26,827
something about
what happened to his family.
805
00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:30,344
You're glad you're not
living here anymore, right?
806
00:33:30,364 --> 00:33:31,541
Yeah.
807
00:33:33,241 --> 00:33:34,669
So what else?
808
00:33:34,689 --> 00:33:36,896
So when I walked
into the garage,
809
00:33:36,916 --> 00:33:38,876
I saw a living woman.
810
00:33:38,896 --> 00:33:41,379
She had blond hair,
and she looked to be in her 40s.
811
00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:43,775
She was crying
and extremely upset.
812
00:33:43,795 --> 00:33:46,172
And I felt that
she wanted to escape
813
00:33:46,192 --> 00:33:47,842
but she couldn't leave.
814
00:33:47,862 --> 00:33:50,241
And I also saw
a father and a son.
815
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,738
But the son as a teenager
816
00:33:52,758 --> 00:33:54,955
and the father and the son
were fighting.
817
00:33:54,975 --> 00:33:57,172
And I feel like
this aggressive behavior,
818
00:33:57,192 --> 00:33:59,000
the fighting,
it's really causing
819
00:33:59,020 --> 00:34:00,462
division in your family,
820
00:34:00,482 --> 00:34:02,448
and it's tearing
your family apart.
821
00:34:03,448 --> 00:34:05,172
You know Cindy,
the main reason Paula
822
00:34:05,192 --> 00:34:07,359
Junior here called us in,
823
00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:09,662
these guys have been married
for 35 years,
824
00:34:09,682 --> 00:34:11,965
but they've been fighting
so badly they,
825
00:34:11,985 --> 00:34:13,103
they're talking
about breaking up.
826
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,275
A certain bang or a certain word
827
00:34:16,295 --> 00:34:18,048
and I'm snappin'.
828
00:34:18,068 --> 00:34:19,773
I know what I say her...
829
00:34:19,793 --> 00:34:22,334
I'll do harsh stuff,
you know, toward her.
830
00:34:22,354 --> 00:34:24,896
She mentioned about
fighting with a teenager.
831
00:34:24,916 --> 00:34:27,000
That, that ring
anything for you?
832
00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:29,500
Me and my son.
- Okay.
833
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,000
We've had some harsh words.
834
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:33,876
Some harsh arguments.
835
00:34:33,896 --> 00:34:37,793
All this fighting is fueling
a major issue in this house.
836
00:34:37,813 --> 00:34:39,655
And that's poltergeist activity.
837
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,938
It's especially intense
in the garage.
838
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:46,896
Things with electronics
stop working,
839
00:34:46,916 --> 00:34:48,620
or, or they malfunction.
840
00:34:49,034 --> 00:34:50,655
Things start turning on.
841
00:34:51,655 --> 00:34:53,851
I know we've like a lot
of tools and stuff in here
842
00:34:53,871 --> 00:34:56,068
but I feel like it's actually
kind of dangerous,
843
00:34:56,088 --> 00:34:57,344
like things might go flying.
844
00:34:58,172 --> 00:35:00,482
A hammer come flying
across the garage.
845
00:35:00,502 --> 00:35:02,462
It was about eight foot,
846
00:35:02,482 --> 00:35:05,359
and it come down
about a foot from hitting.
847
00:35:05,379 --> 00:35:08,172
That's terrifying. - Yeah.
Tell her about your car.
848
00:35:08,192 --> 00:35:12,000
The stereo and the wipers
would come on,
849
00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:13,945
without a key.
850
00:35:13,965 --> 00:35:16,827
I'm working on cars since
I'm 16 year old. - Yeah.
851
00:35:17,655 --> 00:35:21,137
And never had I had an issue
with anything.
852
00:35:21,157 --> 00:35:23,965
Paula, you gotta
tell about the glass.
853
00:35:23,985 --> 00:35:26,793
Yeah, we were
in the, dining room
854
00:35:26,813 --> 00:35:28,945
and we heard a crash
855
00:35:28,965 --> 00:35:31,758
and I had a dish strainer
sitting on the sink
856
00:35:31,778 --> 00:35:33,566
and I just had a glass in it
857
00:35:33,586 --> 00:35:35,127
and that glass
literally come out
858
00:35:35,147 --> 00:35:37,149
over the top
of the dish strainer
859
00:35:37,169 --> 00:35:39,172
and went into the sink
and shattered.
860
00:35:39,793 --> 00:35:41,083
What is really fueling
861
00:35:41,103 --> 00:35:43,282
your poltergeist activity tha...
862
00:35:43,302 --> 00:35:45,462
the most right now
is all the fighting.
863
00:35:45,482 --> 00:35:47,758
So you guys are causing it.
You don't even realize it.
864
00:35:48,586 --> 00:35:49,758
Definitely.
865
00:35:52,758 --> 00:35:53,862
What else?
866
00:35:54,448 --> 00:35:57,117
You have another major issue.
867
00:35:57,137 --> 00:36:00,448
There's a portal
leading directly
868
00:36:00,468 --> 00:36:02,137
from the railroad track
869
00:36:02,793 --> 00:36:05,655
into the backdoor of your house.
870
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,206
Wow.
871
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,655
And I had a sketch done
of what I saw.
872
00:36:17,551 --> 00:36:18,965
Wow, look at this.
873
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000
My goodness.
874
00:36:27,482 --> 00:36:29,437
I mean that, that really,
875
00:36:29,457 --> 00:36:31,413
that really, really bothers me.
876
00:36:32,379 --> 00:36:35,275
One of the dead
that came to this portal
877
00:36:35,295 --> 00:36:37,462
is an older dead woman.
878
00:36:37,482 --> 00:36:38,896
She ended up
staying in the house.
879
00:36:38,916 --> 00:36:41,980
And she's a very big problem.
880
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,162
When people are sleeping
she makes them feel like
881
00:36:44,182 --> 00:36:46,344
they can't breathe,
like, they're suffocating.
882
00:36:46,364 --> 00:36:47,980
She's very focused
883
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,758
on the living woman
in the house.
884
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,551
She hates you.
885
00:36:55,275 --> 00:36:57,965
You had a woman that you saw
in your bedroom.
886
00:36:58,896 --> 00:37:00,127
Tell Cindy about her.
887
00:37:00,147 --> 00:37:01,359
Someone woke me up.
888
00:37:01,379 --> 00:37:03,317
I sat up in the bed
and there was a woman
889
00:37:03,337 --> 00:37:05,275
standing right
at the foot of the bed
890
00:37:05,295 --> 00:37:06,738
and she had ahold of the curtain
891
00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:09,428
and she was just jerking
real hard on the curtain.
892
00:37:09,448 --> 00:37:11,896
I saw her standing over your
bed while you are sleeping,
893
00:37:11,916 --> 00:37:14,152
while you're really vulnerable.
894
00:37:14,172 --> 00:37:15,931
So I had it sketched
on a board what I saw.
895
00:37:23,103 --> 00:37:24,448
I don't even know
if I wanna show you this.
896
00:37:30,689 --> 00:37:31,862
Wow.
897
00:37:33,586 --> 00:37:35,655
It's very scary.
898
00:37:37,103 --> 00:37:39,241
As when you're on bed
you're all sleeping
899
00:37:39,261 --> 00:37:40,531
that should be, you know...
900
00:37:40,551 --> 00:37:41,793
Right.
- ...pretty well your time,
901
00:37:41,813 --> 00:37:43,551
I mean, I don't know
what to think.
902
00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:47,172
I'm too, luv.
903
00:37:48,482 --> 00:37:50,379
Paula, tell her about
you waking up with bruises.
904
00:37:50,399 --> 00:37:53,655
I woke up several times
with bruises, um,
905
00:37:53,675 --> 00:37:56,655
on my chest, on my legs,
on my arms.
906
00:37:56,675 --> 00:37:58,152
And there has been a few times
907
00:37:58,172 --> 00:38:00,689
that looks like someone just
literally took the hand
908
00:38:00,709 --> 00:38:02,324
and just putting it
around my arm
909
00:38:02,344 --> 00:38:04,379
and then you can actually
see the fingerprints.
910
00:38:04,399 --> 00:38:06,189
And you had
the same issue, right,
911
00:38:06,209 --> 00:38:08,000
when you go to your mom's house?
912
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:10,428
I was just have a visit and
913
00:38:10,448 --> 00:38:12,862
I started noticing a little
bit of pain on my knee.
914
00:38:12,882 --> 00:38:15,876
When we came home
I had a bruise on my knee.
915
00:38:15,896 --> 00:38:19,172
You've seen it. Tell her about
the scratches that your wife gets.
916
00:38:19,192 --> 00:38:20,758
She's woke up
917
00:38:20,778 --> 00:38:22,014
many of a morning,
918
00:38:22,034 --> 00:38:26,359
and she's had scratches
across her chest.
919
00:38:26,379 --> 00:38:30,221
I hate to say this but she,
she wants you dead.
920
00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:33,103
She also wants people to feel
like they're burning alive.
921
00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:36,034
And she wants
to burn the house down.
922
00:38:36,054 --> 00:38:37,241
Wow.
923
00:38:38,068 --> 00:38:39,669
Paula, tell Cindy what happened
924
00:38:39,689 --> 00:38:41,945
when the water heater
caught on fire.
925
00:38:41,965 --> 00:38:44,689
If it wasn't for me
looking down the hallway
926
00:38:44,709 --> 00:38:46,014
and seeing the smoke,
927
00:38:46,034 --> 00:38:48,413
I could have possibly
died in the home.
928
00:38:49,172 --> 00:38:50,965
When the fire department
showed up
929
00:38:51,896 --> 00:38:54,462
they just couldn't figure out
how it happened.
930
00:38:54,482 --> 00:38:58,241
This woman, when I was feeling
her presence in the house,
931
00:38:58,261 --> 00:39:02,310
she was telling me that
her family died in a fire.
932
00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:05,428
Unfortunately it wants
933
00:39:05,448 --> 00:39:08,255
another family to feel her pain.
934
00:39:08,275 --> 00:39:11,368
I dreamt about the trailer
catching on fire and burn.
935
00:39:11,388 --> 00:39:14,482
A few times I've dreamt about
it catching on fire
936
00:39:14,502 --> 00:39:17,172
and me and him...
dying in it.
937
00:39:17,192 --> 00:39:19,862
I've dreamt
my daughter dying in it.
938
00:39:20,689 --> 00:39:23,738
That's a dream I get a lot,
a whole lot.
939
00:39:23,758 --> 00:39:27,275
I feel like this woman
is giving you those dreams.
940
00:39:27,295 --> 00:39:29,379
I mean, unfortunately
it's like she's stuck
941
00:39:29,399 --> 00:39:32,000
in this loop of,
of anger and grief.
942
00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:33,551
I don't know, it's very...
943
00:39:34,379 --> 00:39:36,359
It's very scary, right?
944
00:39:36,379 --> 00:39:38,000
I just don't know
what I did to her.
945
00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:39,344
You didn't do anything to her.
946
00:39:39,364 --> 00:39:40,669
You didn't do anything to her.
947
00:39:40,689 --> 00:39:42,379
It's really scary
when someone tells you
948
00:39:42,399 --> 00:39:44,241
that somebody wants you dead.
949
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:56,179
Now, Paula,
you're a good daughter.
950
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:57,758
It's a good thing
you reached out to us.
951
00:39:57,778 --> 00:39:59,014
'Cause you're right.
952
00:39:59,034 --> 00:40:01,793
Your parents have big problems
at that house.
953
00:40:01,813 --> 00:40:03,137
Question is, can it be fixed?
954
00:40:04,896 --> 00:40:07,586
Now for that answer I'm gonna
turn it over to my partner, Cindy.
955
00:40:09,655 --> 00:40:12,103
First things first,
that portal has got to be closed.
956
00:40:12,123 --> 00:40:14,566
Because if the portal
is not closed
957
00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:17,773
spirits will be
coming and going... forever.
958
00:40:17,793 --> 00:40:20,310
So, I want you to bring in
a medium to close the portal.
959
00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:22,876
Secondly, Dan.
960
00:40:22,896 --> 00:40:25,575
So, Dan's a problem because
961
00:40:25,595 --> 00:40:28,275
he's obviously aggressive.
962
00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:29,669
You could feel him.
963
00:40:29,689 --> 00:40:31,679
He's making you feel afraid.
964
00:40:31,699 --> 00:40:33,873
He could be feeling your temper.
965
00:40:33,893 --> 00:40:35,833
And what that's doing
is increasing
966
00:40:35,853 --> 00:40:37,793
the poltergeist activity
in the house.
967
00:40:37,813 --> 00:40:40,137
The same medium
will move him on.
968
00:40:40,157 --> 00:40:41,876
And obviously
969
00:40:41,896 --> 00:40:43,221
the most dangerous spirit
970
00:40:43,241 --> 00:40:47,000
we have, is the woman
who is attacking you.
971
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:49,083
I think she might be
972
00:40:49,103 --> 00:40:51,068
a little bit more difficult
to get rid of.
973
00:40:53,206 --> 00:40:55,186
The same medium will move her on
974
00:40:55,206 --> 00:40:57,689
but I really don't think
you should stay in the house
975
00:40:57,709 --> 00:40:59,603
when the medium
tries to get rid of her.
976
00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:01,517
You'll need to stay
at your daughter's.
977
00:41:01,537 --> 00:41:02,531
Okay.
978
00:41:02,551 --> 00:41:04,989
Once they get out,
once these spirits get out
979
00:41:05,009 --> 00:41:07,448
and portal's closed
these fighting's should stop.
980
00:41:07,468 --> 00:41:09,324
I feel like it, it will.
981
00:41:09,344 --> 00:41:12,413
And without all that anger the
poltergeist activity will slow down.
982
00:41:12,433 --> 00:41:13,724
Yeah, I think so.
983
00:41:14,413 --> 00:41:15,679
This is good news, guys.
984
00:41:15,699 --> 00:41:16,965
Yes.
- Yes, sir, it is.
985
00:41:18,344 --> 00:41:19,359
You're glad you called?
986
00:41:19,379 --> 00:41:21,265
Yeah, I'm...
I'm really glad I called.
987
00:41:21,285 --> 00:41:23,172
And you got
a good daughter there.
988
00:41:23,192 --> 00:41:25,600
Yes, we have.
989
00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:27,655
I'm really glad
that this has happened,
990
00:41:27,675 --> 00:41:28,945
you know, get some answers
991
00:41:28,965 --> 00:41:31,068
and hopefully
some closure to this.
992
00:41:31,689 --> 00:41:33,386
And to know, you know, that
993
00:41:33,406 --> 00:41:35,083
I wouldn't go on crazy,
994
00:41:35,103 --> 00:41:38,034
or we're not going crazy.
- No. No.
995
00:41:38,054 --> 00:41:40,310
Our love, you know,
it still strong.
996
00:41:44,034 --> 00:41:45,186
Paula and Stanley
997
00:41:45,206 --> 00:41:46,758
have a lot of work
ahead of them,
998
00:41:46,778 --> 00:41:48,014
but I'm really glad
999
00:41:48,034 --> 00:41:50,172
they'll be able
to stay in their home.
1000
00:41:50,192 --> 00:41:51,945
As long as they contact a medium
1001
00:41:51,965 --> 00:41:54,324
to remove the dead
and close the portal
1002
00:41:54,344 --> 00:41:57,758
they should go back to living
a happy and peaceful life.
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