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- Previously on
"Southern Charm" reunion...

On a scale of zero to ten,
how high are you?

- Six, but once you get
arrested,

you go down to about a three
pretty quickly.

- Did you take the bar?

- I'm not allowed
to take the bar.

- You lied.

What did Jason think of T-Rav
calling you sanctimonious?

- He was not too happy
with you, T-Rav.

- You f---ed everyone
on this sofa.

- Had kind of a one-night thing.
It was a drunken mistake.

- It was more than
a one-night stand.

I'm not gonna degrade myself
more than I've already been...

- What was going through
your head

as Landon confessed her feelings
to you?

- I mean, I think it's
incredibly flattering,

don't get me wrong,
but, um,

I just hate emotions.
[chuckles]

- I went without seeing
my children for 14 weeks.

They need their father.
- Well, I don't think it's good

for you to be an alcoholic
and doing drugs.

- I mean, you just failed
a drug test. [laughs]

- I'm over this.
- Kathryn, where are you going?

- I don't know.
That was--I can't.

- How much longer
do we have to do this?

- Agony.
- Enough.

- It just sucks being the only
truthful one here.

- She does this
because she gets away with it.

- I feel like the moment
I start talking,

all four of the people
on that couch lean forward

and ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.
- Oh, lord.

Can we get this going?

- Let me tell you something.

- It's so dumb.

- See, this is how it's like
every day.

- No, she's coming.
She's right there.

- Folks, we are rolling
in one minute.

- This is awful.

- I'm not talking to you
anymore.

- Quiet, please, five seconds.

Four, three, two.

The "Southern Charm" reunion
continues now.

- ♪ Mm-hmm ♪

- Hey, everybody,
welcome to

the "Southern Charm" reunion
part two.

I'm your host, Andy Cohen.

Kathryn, a lot of rumors online
about you and a drug test.

- Mm-hmm.
- Well, I have to ask,

did you fail a drug test
relating to the custody?

I am not commenting on anything
like that, sorry.

- It goes back six months.

They do a hair follicle test
for shows--

- Yeah, you didn't do
the same test as me, bud.

Did you know that?
You did know that.

- No, no, no, I did the--
- You didn't do the same test

as me.
You shaved your whole body.

- What did he do?
- In court, he had socks

all the way up and arms
shaved all the way down.

He shaved himself
with the horse trimmers.

- I just sha--I redid the test
because she didn't like it.

I redid the test.

- Do you want to clear
anything else up

relating to your arrangement
with Thomas and what's going on?

Anything you feel like people
have a, you know,

misconception about
or have been--

- That I have been, um,
you know--

- Uncooperative.
- Yeah, uncooperative,

but trying to want to, you know,
get an agreement and, like,

have peace,
Like, that's all I want.

- You do want to co-parent
with him?

- I want to co-parent, yes,
but...

- What's the crux of the issue
for you besides a lawyer I mean?

- The problem for me
is what the offer was.

It isn't fair, actually, if you
look at the budget I drew out.

I mean, I did a very extensive
detailed budget

about what it would take
to provide

education, medical, whatever
for children,

and, you know, I compare that
that what he was offering

and it's just not comparable.
- Can I respond to that?

- Okay.
- People say, "Well, you know,

"you weren't married.
It's not, you know,

you shouldn't have
to pay her alimony,"

or there's no division of
assets, be we did live together.

She did give me two children.

- You did propose, like,
seven times

and we picked out a ring
and designed it, too.

Eh, go ahead.
Continue your story.

- So, you know, I want to do,
uh, more than what's fair.

And I, you know, I'm not
offering her a life of leisure,

but she's certainly
going to be comfortable.

Michelle from Tennessee said,
"I like Kathryn a lot,

"but, Kathryn,
you need to work.

"A lot of single moms live off
less that the $2,500 a month

and a full-time nanny."
Why do you think it's Thomas's--

- I'm giving her $3,100.
I'm paying the rent, 31--

- He pays my rent.
- Why do you think

it's Thomas's responsibility
to take care of you?

- I have never meant that
in a sense of

he has to take care of me.
- Okay.

- I meant that as I'm taking
care of our children

the majority of the time.
You need to take care of us.

- That's your full-time job?
- That's my full-time job.

However, I'm starting
some things like

making pieces with vintage
antique things like,

for example, this necklace.
- Did you make that?

This is what I made.
Like, this is what I'm doing.

That's what I've start doing.

I sell things online
right now.

Meg from California comments,
"Kathryn totally lied

"to Andy Cohen on
'Watch What Happens Live.'

"She said she was not pregnant
at the reunion in May 2015."

- Were you pregnant at the
"Southern Charm"

season two reunion?
- No.

- "But she had pregnancy tests
in the first episode

dated with a Sharpie
3-30-15."

- Ew, what a sketchy person
to stare at that.

Um, that's personal information,
so I'm not talking about that.

- Well, I mean,
it sounds like--

- I didn't know where
we were going, okay?

- Right.
- And he had second guesses.

And I didn't know
what we were gonna...

- So you were pregnant,
but you didn't know

what was gonna happen?
- I'm not--yeah, I don't know.

I did--I didn't know.
- Did the pregnancy test

show positive,
or it was just a test dated--

- She said she took 30 tests.
- I'm not talking.

- She's just saying that if the
decision went a different way,

she didn't want to announce
she was pregnant

and then everyone ask questions
seven months later.

- I want to talk about polo.

You were seven months pregnant
when you went

to watch Thomas play polo,
and you got very upset.

- Are you serious?

No, no.
No.

- What made you so upset?

- There was a guy there
that Thomas partied with

and enabled a lot
of bad, bad behavior.

And I saw him there,
and I did not want my child

around anyone that does things
like that.

- T-Rav was partying with
a porn star for a little bit

in a funny way,
but guess what?

If it was just us,
then it's all fun,

but there was a kid involved,
and she was, like,

"I kinda don't want him around."
That's it.

- That too? That too?
- Is that true?

- Yes, yes.

- You also freaked out when you
saw Elizabeth and J.D.

- Yeah, that was definitely,
like, you know,

all of it together at once
was just, "Oh, my gosh.

It's just too much for me
to handle right now," period.

- She was going through a
hormonal time, too, I guess.

- [scoffs]
- Well, Sarah from Kansas City,

Missouri said, "Kathryn,
I think you faked

"a pregnancy complication
in order to get Thomas

"to co-sign
your house for you.

"It's not exactly
the most honorable way

to get what you want."

That was certainly the
allegation from J.D.

So do you think that she was
being manipulative

and trying to get you
to co-sign on the lease?

- No, and I shouldn't have
made the threat.

And I regret that.
- Thank you.

- Landon, you were outspoken
about the fact

that Kathryn uses her children
to manipulate Thomas.

- I'm so bored of her thinking
she can, like,

control and manipulate everyone
with his child.

It's disgusting,
and I'm not gonna, like,

be manipulated
by some psychopath.

I still think that.
- You do?

Amber from Oak Park,
Illinois said,

"Landon, going to the hospital
because you're pregnant

"and bleeding is not a ploy
for attention.

It's a medical emergency.
How could you be so callous?"

- I was callous to the fact
that she--

Jennifer actually was saying
that Thomas never went

to the hospital,
and that's not true.

- You got a lot of negative
social comments

about what you said.
- Correct.

- Yes. And yet you stand by it?
- Yes.

- I'm glad 'cause you're nasty,
and I'm glad that you own

what you are now finally.

- For Landon's benefit,
I can clarify it a little bit.

What she said wasn't so much
against, like, the incident.

It was that Jennifer,
all of a sudden,

is now calling me
to complain about Thomas

on a day that we're supposed
to be hanging out,

and I think she was just
kind of sick of being involved.

- Sick of me.
- I think Jennifer,

my opinion of her
has changed a lot.

She's, um, pregnant,
you know,

with a baby that has
serious complications.

You know, I have
a Down Syndrome brother,

and the fact that, um,
she made a choice

to carry this baby to term
despite, you know,

warnings from doctors,
I just think speaks highly

to her character to leave
that decision to a higher being.

And I think Jennifer
is a great person.

- She's gonna be coming on
in a bit,

so we're going to get into that
in a minute.

Well, you do have
two beautiful children.

- Thank you.
- And, uh, I hope

that you guys resolve this
the next time we see each other.

- I--for the li--for the life--
- It's a hate/love thing.

We hate each other
and love each other,

but it's always back and forth.
- For the life of me,

I hope we can work it out,
for the life of me.

- I want you to be--
I want you to get together.

- I still think
they'll end up together.

- You do?

- I willl always put
my money on that.

- Yeah.
- Ten years down the road,

randomly, I think so.
- Ten year.

- Well, you know, maybe.

- That's sorta like Goldie Hawn
and Kurt Russell.

They did that.
- My favorite couple.

I love them so much.
- They're the sweetest.

- How about that? Maybe just
have, like, a little ranch.

- Those are my relationship
goals.

- Kids running around,
no marriage.

- Thomas and Kathryn do give me
a Goldie and Kurt vibe.

- Yeah, but they love each other
and they're so sweet and fun

to be around.
- Why are you talking about us?

- God, this is so much fun.

- Coming up...

I'm under the impression
that you guys...

- Dated, and we didn't.

- I'm asking if you
ever slept together.

- Welcome back to the

- Welcome back to the
"Southern Charm" reunion.

While most of the group
kept away from Kathryn,

she did find a surprise ally
in her former enemy,

Jennifer Snowden.

Hi, Jennifer,
and thanks for being here.

- Thank you for having me,
I think.

- Yes, yes.
- [chuckles]

First, big congratulations
are in order.

Is this your first child?
- It is.

- Was this a planned baby?
- No.

- Surprise?
- Yes.

- The father is...?
- Excited.

- Excited? Oh.
[laughter]

- Good answer.
- Good answer.

- That was good.
- The father is Thomas?

- Yeah. That's the big reveal
here today.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Has Kathryn been a good source
of support for you?

- Of course. She said one of
the most poignant things to me

that really anyone has
and that was that,

"Enjoy this time
and enjoy your children

"because it is the greatest
relationship you'll ever have

and one that will never
let you down."

And so I'm looking forward
to my new best friend.

[chuckles]

- How did you and Kathryn
become such good friends?

- Well, obviously
I knew Thomas the best,

and by default,
became friends with Kathryn.

We were all three
really close.

- Jamie from San Rafael,
California said,

"Jennifer, did you become
friends with Kathryn

"because you felt guilty about
shacking up with her baby daddy

when Kathryn was pregnant?
- I absolutely never did,

never will, and currently do not
feel guilty about--

first of all,
it wasn't shacking up.

Let me go ahead and put this
straight for everyone to know.

We went out a total
of three times.

Two of those were in
a group setting.

It was not a big deal.

- Kathryn, how did you know
that Jennifer and Thomas

had a relationship
when you were pregnant?

- It's not a relationship.

- Kathryn, how did you know
that Jennifer and Thomas,

uh, canoodled while you
were pregnant?

- I wouldn't even say that,
Andy.

- Well...
- So which base?

[laughter]

- I know that this is all
behind us,

and you've obviously moved on.
They've moved on.

But I'm under the impression
that you guys...

- Dated, and we didn't.
- You never slept together?

- Three times we hung out,
I'll tell you where they were.

Once was at J.D.'s
playing cards.

- I'm asking if you ever
slept together.

- Well, I'm never gonna answer
that question about anybody.

- Okay. What is the rest of the
group's take on these two

becoming great friends.
Surprised?

- Yeah, well, on the surface
of it, it's improbable.

Considering there has been
a history,

and Thomas has been involved,

and doesn't seem to bother
Kathryn,

whereas the implications
or rumor mill bothers--

- There's nothing wrong
done on my part.

- I don't think so either.
- Exactly,

and that's why I don't get mad
at the girl.

I didn't blame her,
you know.

I felt like he manipulated her
just like he manipulated me.

- Yeah, I know, but I'm saying
you have this thing

against Landon, and I don't even
know what the hell is behind it,

but there might not even be any
physicality that spurns it.

- That's not the only thing
that makes me upset with her.

You don't understand.
- Okay.

- What else does?
- I think she wants everyone

to think that's the only reason
I dislike her and it's not.

- Can you give me
other reasons?

- There's some things that,
you know,

are hair-triggers for her.
- I specifically think--

- It doesn't mean it's right
how she reacts necessarily,

but I think that there are
things that you could refrain

from doing that--
- Like what?

- Well, like the post at Louis
Vuitton on the couch with him.

- Like, I'm not allowed to be
friends with--

We were having a Sunday brunch.
I'm allowed to go to brunch

with my friend
and take a picture.

- Of course.
- Oh, you have the right

to post a picture.
- Yeah.

I'm not trying to attack.
- Right.

In my mind, I'm not thinking
about Kathryn.

- I'm trying to explain it.
- We all know

their hairline triggers.
Thomas, you know that too.

- You can't say, like, you don't
want to be involved

and then post things that you
know are going to be incendiary.

- So you're saying I'm never
allowed to post a picture

with Thomas because it will
upset Kathryn.

- Until they've just moved on.
- Do you realize how childish

that sounds?
- This is what the problem is.

- I enjoy riding horses.

Thomas is kind and let's me go
out there and ride the horses.

- Great, then post it--
- I did.

- Put it in a picture book
on your coffee table.

You don't have to put it
on social media.

- Why? I don't have to hide
my life.

- It's not about me being
jealous of them being friends.

It's about the fact that I know
they're doing it

to intentionally piss me off.
- But that's what I'm saying.

I'm not doing it to
intentionally upset you

because I don't think about you.
- Yes, you are because he said

that he never know you.

- Cameran, do you think
Jennifer has a point?

- I'm just saying that if you
know it's gonna piss

somebody off, just don't do it.
- I think, honestly,

I think Thomas and Kathryn,

if they're not gonna be
together,

they're gonna have to
get used to the fact that--

- Absolutely.
- That's fine.

- Can I say one thing?
- You can't pour gasoline

on a front yard and then drop
a match and then wonder why

the whole yard went up.
- I don't care who

Kathryn is with, as long
as they're good to my children.

That's all I care about.
- But in my mind, I'm not

pouring out gasoline
and lighting a fire.

I'm hanging out with my friend.
- I don't know what

you're talking about.
I want to be clear--

- Well, all right,
I'm gonna move on.

- Thomas, it seems like you took
a lot of heat

for how you spoke to Jennifer
and the flamingo party.

- Mm-hmm.

You have no misunderstanding.
- Stay the f---

out of my life,
stay the f--- out of my life.

- Quit lying about me,
and quit f---ing with my--

- No, 'cause I'm not lying
about you, Thomas.

- Quit messing with this girl
who's pregnant.

Yeah, I probably should have
handled it better.

- You called Thomas a bully
at the time.

- Well, I felt like
he was being a bully, but--

- Well, I was being sort of--
I was being a bully

because I felt like...
- But he was one the defense.

- I was Papa bear defending
his cubs, you know.

- Right.
- You're saying Kathryn

was hormonal.
You seem a little hormonal.

- Sometimes I can be. I need to
learn to control them more.

- Yeah.
Tara from Troy, Michigan said,

"Were you shocked that no one
came to your defense

when Thomas was yelling
at you?"

- Sure.
I hoped that they would--

would have,
which is why I called her.

It wasn't to give her the
lowdown, you know,

to try and upset her more.

It was more to refute
what I wass being accused of.

- I just don't understand why
you needed to involve

Craig and I if it was
an emergency situation--

- Because he--
I wasn't involving you.

I didn't know he was with you.
I wouldn't have interrupted

an afternoon that you guys
were having together.

Honestly did not know--
- It just seems like a lot

of drama was built up over
something that might not

have been so dramatic.
- Well, Craig and Kathryn

are very close, the same way
as Kathryn and I are.

And so that's why
I called Craig.

- Right.
- Well, Jennifer,

after Julien was born,
Thomas pretty much gave Kathryn

an ultimatum,
either him or you.

- Snowden was a very negative
influence.

We have to have
a good relationship,

and I don't think she's a
healthy person to have near me.

- Mm-hmm.
- And I can't abide by that.

I can't have her around me.
- Yeah.

- I didn't know this was even
going on.

I just knew that I was calling
her and not getting a response,

which sometimes happens,
you know,

so I was none the wiser
until I saw it on TV.

- Lisa from Red Bank, New Jersey
said, "Kathryn,

"you ditched Jennifer to patch
up your relationship

with Thomas.
That's pretty f'ed up."

- Mm-hmm. I felt pressured
into the situation,

and I felt like I needed
to placate because I loved him.

- Jennifer, were you hurt
that Kathryn could easily

push you out of her life?

- Yeah, of course it hurts
my feelings,

but if me not being either one
of their friends

would make their relationship
and family work,

I'm okay with that.

- Why is Thomas so threatened
by your friendship with Kathryn?

- I don't think he is now,
but then,

I guess he probably thought
that I was causing

a lot of the problems that he
was having to battle daily,

I guess.
I don't know.

- Thomas, you and Jennifer
are good these days.

- Oh, yeah. You know,
I think Jennifer

is a great person,
has an outstanding character,

and I have the most
utmost respect for her.

- Thank you.
- I really do.

- He said some really nice
things about you

before you came out.
- Yeah, I know.

I saw it on camera.
I appreciate all of you.

And so, yeah, it means a lot
to be, I guess,

acknowledged for not
being a bad person, yeah.

Thanks, guys.
[laughter]

- I mean, it's kinda nice
that on this journey--

- I've walked the plank
this whole season, you know.

And been sort of crucified
to a degree

[voice cracking]
and blamed for their, sorry,

their relationship problems,
yeah.

[unintelligible]

- Oh, my God.
- Go ahead, take it.

- I'm not gonna snot
on Hermès.

- Go ahead, take it.
- Such a gentleman.

Go on.
- Anyways, it means a lot.

Thank you.
- At the end of this journey,

it's interesting that you find
support from unlikely places.

- It means everything to me
because, honestly,

the only thing that really does
matter to me right now

is my child.

- And has Kathryn been a great
deal of strength to you

during this?
- Yeah.

She was one of the first people
I told I was pregnant.

I was freaked out, and I drove
to her house and said...

- I was pumped 'cause I'm like,
"Finally I have a friend

that has a kid.
This is awesome."

- Yeah, but if you see
how emotional Jenn is right now,

maybe it explains why some of
the stuff that happened 'cause

she was so passionate with
Kathryn while she was pregnant.

- And being pregnant now,
I will say that

I do understand where, you know,
everyone was coming from--

you were coming from
about wanting

to keep her emotions down,
and I get it now.

Like, you couldn't deal
with people upsetting you

while you were pregnant
last year.

- Yeah, yeah.
- You don't even understand that

until you are pregnant.

I don't know how
you dealt with it all.

- Yeah.
- 'Cause it is a freaking lot

to deal with, and when you feel
like you're faced

with doing it alone,
it's that much harder.

- Yeah.

Um, any final thoughts
about Thomas and Kathryn?

- [chuckles]

I'll say what everyone else
hates to hear,

but when they are good,
they are good together,

and I did witness that.

I think maybe
they're beyond that now,

but they have
two beautiful children.

And I know that they both
care about their kids

more than themselves.
- Yeah.

Well, thank you so much
for coming today,

and I know we all wish you
a lot of love

and a lot of health
and success.

- Thank you.

- Thanks.
We'll be right back.

Coming up...

Thomas told you that you were
self-righteous, judgmental,

and...
both: Sanctimonious.

- Thomas was in the midst
of a nervous breakdown.

- Hey, everybody,

- Hey, everybody,
welcome back

to the "Southern Charm"
reunion.

Whitney, last season we saw you
splitting your time

between Charleston
and Los Angeles.

Where are you living
right now?

- Los Angeles

- Janet from San Jose,
California said,

"Three different homes in
Charleston in just three years?

"Who are you fooling?

"Just say you're crashing
at Mama Pat's.

No shame.
We all would if we could."

- I had a loft in Charleston,
but I'll stay at Mom's too.

But my main base
is in Los Angeles.

- How are things going
with Larissa?

Are you living together
in LA now?

- She's supposed to move in.
She hasn't, unfortunately.

- I heard you broke up.

- No, haven't broke up.
We've kinda--we took a break.

She's been working,
very busy.

She's hopefully coming back
to see me next month.

I'm hoping for the best,
but I don't know.

- I actually met her,
and I liked her a lot.

I think she was a sweet girl.
- Thank you, Kathryn.

Thank you.
- Whitney, during the first two

seasons of the show, you and
Thomas were really close,

but now this season,
there seemed to be

a noticeable difference.

Where does your friendship
stand now?

- We're still bros.
I mean, we hang out.

We were out, um,
last weekend.

I mean, when they're kind of
together, you know,

sometimes I don't hear from him
for, like, months on end.

Like, whenever they break up,
then I hear from him.

- Thomas, you started your
season one dinner party speech

with some words from
"The Glass Menagerie,"

and this season
with "West Side Story."

Obviously you're a fan
of the theater.

- I am.
- Yes.

Your dinner party came shortly
after Patricia's,

in which your closest friends

all called your son's paternity
into question.

Did that factor into how
you were feeling

heading into the dinner?

- Yeah, I think there are a lot
of latent emotions

that came to the surface.

- You wanted to defend Kathryn
going into it.

- Yes.
I was so moved by the moment

of the birth of my child
that I decided

to lay a few words of wisdom
on these ladies and gentlemen.

From there, it just kinda
devolved into chaotic...

- It was scary.
- Diatribe.

- Pandelonium--what's the word?
- Pandemonium.

- Pandemonium, yes.
[laughter]

- However, I think there's
a bit of truth to it all.

And I think that he was very
angry at everyone

sitting at that table,
and when he saw them all,

it went...[clicks tounge]
all the way up.

- So, Tara from Ann Arbor,
Michigan says,

"Thomas, why did you not
invite Whitney,

"but insist
on inviting Landon?

Both have been equally down
on Kathryn."

- Because I wanted those two
to be friends

because I'm friendly with her
and I wanted

Kathryn to be friends.
- I wanted to be friends too.

- I was really trying to, like,
tell Thomas it was okay

at that point to extend
the invitation,

althought she has been malicious
because I didn't--

- You locked him in the room.

That's why he had to climb out
of the window.

- Please listen to me
- No.

- I can't talk to you if you--
- I have to go.

I'm leaving.
- No.

Because you're not gonna just--
- I'll go out the window then.

[dramatic music]

I will jump out the window.

- Thomas, Thomas--
hey, hey, hey.

Thomas, stop.

I don't care if Landon
comes to the party.

[groans]

I encouraged him to invite
Landon to prove

I'm not intimidated by you,
threatened by you.

For y'all to be
in some relationship,

I didn't care.
I wanted to say, "Hey--"

- You encouraged him
to invite Landon?

- That's not true.
- Yeah. "Hey, you know what?

You should."
That after this discussion,

yes, it--
- Have you seen the scene?

That's not true at all.
- The scene.

- Even after he climbed out
the window?

- He didn't let me finish.
- Yes,

Because you've got your hand
on the door.

- Shut up.
- You wouldn't let him leave

the room.
He has to go out of the window.

- I hadn't finished my thought.
Shut up, please.

Everyone has seen it.
Okay, let me talk.

I wanted to fix things
with Landon.

That's our problem to fix,
you know?

and I didn't want you
to take on that burden.

- And you locked him in a room,
so he had to go out of a window.

- No, I didn't lock him
in a room.

- You blocked the door.
- I shut the door so I--

I don't care.
I blocked the door

so I could finish
talking to him.

I'm in my house,
I can do what I want.

- The truth.
Ah, the truth.

- I didn't lock him in.
You're crazy, dude.

You're f---ing insane.

- Cameran, Dee from Red Bank,
New Jersey said,

"Why did you go
to Thomas's dinner party

after trying to avoid
the two of them all season?"

- Because I thought it would be
a great way

for them to prove
that things were moving forward.

- Shoot, me too.
[scoffs]

- It went down the sh--ter.

- Thomas told you that you were
self-righteous, judgmental,

and...
both: Sanctimonious.

- I have three sisters.

And you remind me of them.

And they're all self-righteous

- What--what?
- Who are we on now?

- They are judgmental.

The are sanctimonius.

- Thomas, why don't we wait till
after dinner?

- Why do you think I'm
sanctimonious?

- My dinner table.

- I don't know what
any of these words mean.

- I still have--I mean,
I have a--

every time I see that clip,
I get, like, a physical,

like, my heart starts racing.
I get, like, sweaty.

- You handled it well, though.
You didn't look scared.

You handled it well.
- I was terrified.

I was literal--
I was terrfi--

- What were you scared of?

- I've just never--I mean,
that was a new--

- You've never been spoke to?
- No, no.

- And Thomas later claimed that
that was a compliment.

- Well, ahem,
she's like a sister.

I was complimenting her.
- Yeah, right, Thomas.

- I said--but, you know,
I should have modified it.

You know, it was my delivery.

- The definition of being
santimonious is you feel like

you are morally superior.

I have a standard in which
I live my life,

and do I come off a judgmental
towards other sometimes?

I think that I do.

I think it's something
I can work on.

Um, so you were not entirely
wrong.

- Can we talk about how Craig--
which word don't you know?

- He never--
- Which word?

It was sanctimonious.
- Okay. Self-righteous you know.

- Yes.
- Okay.

- So you didn't know
what sanctimonious meant?

- At the time, no.
Why would I have ever--

when would that have come up?

- Like studying.
[laughter]

- I was so confused.

- Landon, Thomas accused you
of being catty

towards the mother
of his children

- You've been a little...
- I haven't done anything.

- Disrespectful towards Kathryn,
the mother of my child.

- I haven't ever
said anything about you.

Thomas, I've tried to be
her friend for years.

She's the one that told me
to f--- off and--

- Guys!
- Let me finish, let me finish.

- Okay, hold on.

- You have got to be gentle
about sh--, man.

- No, I don't pull punches.

- They haven't seen each other
in months.

- Dude, I don't hold back.

- Did that surprise you?

- I was happy to see Thomas,
trying to, you know,

stand up for Kathryn
and defend her,

but I haven't been catty to her.
I'm never around her.

- You're kind of rolling
your eyes.

I'm thinking that I'm hearing
a bunch of bullsh--.

- I thought it was my turn
to talk.

- I just answered for you.
- Okay, great.

Next question, Andy.

- Theresa from New Haven,
Connecticut says, "Landon,

"we watched you talk crap
about Kathryn all season.

How could you say
you've done nothing?"

- Because I was having a private
conversation with my sister.

She's pregnant twice, you know.
The paternity was in question.

I mean, we don't know girls
like that.

Like Patricia said,
I've never known anyone

that the paternity
had to be questioned.

Yeah, that is rude,
and I do apologize for that.

- Shut up.
I don't want to hear your voice.

- She just apologized.
- Sorry, no.

- Then leave.
- I don't accept your apology.

And I'm not leaving 'cause
I'm here just like you.

- Kathryn,
how did you feel

about Thomas standing up for you
to Landon?

- I felt like for once he was
being honest to me.

- Did you plan on attacking
Landon when you invited her?

Or were you just kinda moved
by the moment?

- No, I just wanted everyone
to get along.

I mean, my intentions were good,
you know, it just--

- You just wanted to kind of,
like, try and stand up for me

because I was really having
a hard time with everyone

being so mean to me.
- Yeah, yeah, I did.

- Erin from Pasadena,
California, said, "Shep,

"what did you mean exactly
when you said that T-Rav

was to blame for the issues
between Landon and Kathryn?"

- Well, uh, simply put,
it takes two to tango.

I mean, you can't be friends
with somebody

and that friendship upsets
another person--

- That friendship didn't
upset me.

- Well, it appears so
on the surface at least to me.

- On the surface.
- But, um, and then blame

the other person for being
your friend.

I mean, you know,
it's a two-way street.

- Did you--
- He fostered a relationship

that bothers Kathryn,

how can you point the finger
at Landon and say...

- I agree with that.
- "Wha--hey, shame on you."

- I agree with that.
- It doesn't make sense

logically.

- Shep, this is the second
Thomas dinner party

in which he went after you
for being a mama's boy.

- How much money
is your mommy giving you?

- Thomas, Thomas!

- How much allowance
is your mommy giving you?

I'm a self-made man.
You're a pussy.

- Easy, easy, easy.

- Why do you think
he keeps going there?

- I don't know.
- I think he would agree

that there's a certain amount
of nepotism

that he's benefitted from.
I don't think any--

- The last name didn't hurt me
in Charleston.

- Yeah, so...
- Hurts you now.

[laughter]
- It can bother you?

- I've very fortunate, man.
I'm not gonna deny it.

I'm not gonna hide
and say I'm like some--

- I didn't like you interrupting
our discussion,

but, you know, in hindsight,
I think you did me a favor

because you unwittingly
save me from her.

She probably would have
scratched me or something.

- Lori from Indianapolis said,
"Thomas, at Carolina Day,

"you threatened
to bitchslap Whitney.

"At your dinner this year,
you threatened to fight Shep

and chased everyone
out of your house."

What's going on with you
and your emotions?

- I dislike them
They're dangerous.

- Oh, emotions?
- Yes.

- Yeah.
- Feelings--

feelings are to be felt.
You don't act on 'em.

- Right.
- Well, how about that?

An epiphany here today.
I like this.

- Certain people are brought out
with good breeding,

and I exhibited very poor
breeding.

[laughter]

You know, you know, the Ravenels
have been there since the 1600s.

And I've been brought up
by my parents to behave better.

And I didn't live up
to their standards.

- It seemed like the chaos
of the night

actually seemed to bring
you and Kathryn closer.

Did the two of you
have a loving night together?

- Well--
- I'm gonna start that

because what happened was
I heard him start on everyone,

and I saw him acting out,
and I know that Thomas.

Not everyone understood
that Thomas, that side of him.

And I felt protective almost
in the sense

that I needed to explain
what you couldn't really explain

'cause you were so angry.

And that, I think,
brought us closer,

the understanding.
- Yeah.

- I think that Thomas was
in the midst of a breakdown

of some kind of sorts.
- Yeah, I agree.

- I was having a breakdown, yes.

That night, I was having
a breadown.

- I think it was a textbook
nervous breakdown.

- You know, I wasn't thinking
at all.

I acted like an idiot,
and I would like to retract

everything negative I said.
- And he did.

He called everybody
and apologized immediately.

- Really?
- Yeah, I did.

- What I want to know is

what happened to
the catered dinner? Did it--

- That's what I want to know.
- I ate it in the kitchen.

- Where the hell
did the steaks go?

- We had cold pizza.

- Oh, I went and I had
my filet mignon, rare,

and I had the lobster.
I ate my dinner.

- All right,
we'll be right back.

Coming up...
- You lie all the time.

- Okay, give me examples.
- You f---ed Thomas, hello.

- We are back with

- We are back with
the "Southern Charm" reunion.

Rachel from Boston,
Massachusetts said,

"Cameran, you're hard on Craig,
but you were in your 20s

"when you were on
'The Real World.'

"Weren't you a passenger on
The Hot Mess Express too?

"You hooked up in a hot tub,
you were trashed on TV,

and you hosted
'Girls Gone Wild.'"

- Yeah, I did,
but in my defense,

when I hosted
"Girls Gone Wild,"

I really didn't know
what I was doing,

and I ended up crying
to the girls

and begging them to stop
taking off their clothes.

- Did you take your top off?
- Oh, my God, no!

- Why did I not realize
you hosted "Girls Gone Wild"?

- Oh, it's out there.
Google it.

- Oh, that's pretty cool.
- It's out there.

And it's pretty hilarious.

- Wow.
- Yeah.

- I know. A friend of mine...
- I didn't know that.

- In college ordered the series.
It was awesome.

- Okay, so, Landon, an article
recently came out on Page Six

about how you were almost
a main cast member

on MTV's "The Hills."

- Yeah, it's true.
[chuckles]

I was 24 at the time.

I had just gotten out
of school,

and I wasn't ready
and I wanted to kind of

figure out more of who I was
and not have

producers and people telling me
who I was

'cause, you know, "The Hills,"
everyone was a lot younger.

They were 20, I mean--
- It was also a scripted show.

- Well, there's that,
but, you know what?

I-I don't want to reveal
behind-the-curtain.

- Well, Landon may have had
her sights set

on a relationship
this season,

but it was her existing
relationship with Thomas

that had one fiery redhead
seeing red.

- Landon wants status,
and it's the only thing

money can't buy in this town.

I'm gonna set a boundary
right now.

Landon can't be in my life
or your life.

- Kathryn, you have
very strong opinions

about his attitude
towards Landon.

- Mm-hmm.

- Do you think you can ever
let those go?

- They joked around
in my son's nursery

about how I needed
shock treatment.

She says that I manipulate him
with my kids,

use them as pawns.

It's a pretty big thing
'cause the things you said

weigh heavy, okay, on a mother.
You don't do that.

Till you have a kid,
don't say a word.

- I don't know if I'm gonna have
children, so...

- Well, good for you because
you're a failure

as a stepmother.
- You got pregnant.

You used to womb
to be on television.

- Kathryn, look at this
attitude, look at the attitude.

- No, listen to--look at hers,
look at hers.

- I know, but you don't--
you are so reactionary.

- I don't care, you haven't ever
tried to get to know me,

and you keep saying,
"I tried to be your friend."

- Why would I have brought you
to Jekyll Island

if I didn't want
to get to know you?

- I don't know because you
didn't get to know me.

- Because you blew up
at Whitney...

- No, Whitney--Whitney--
- And I wanted you off

the property immediately.

- You didn't get me off the
property immediately

actually though.
- I know.

Because I'm a kind person...
- No, you're not kind.

- And you left the next day
with Jennifer

- You're very mean.

- Oh, excuse me.
I know why you had to leave.

- [exhales deeply]
- Because your hairdresser

had accused Thomas
of domestic abuse.

- Do you want to know what
actually happened that night?

- That's why you left.
- You don't know what happened

that night.
- No, I don't, I don't.

- So don't touch that subject.
- That's the truth, Kathryn.

- You don't talk about
my daughter ever again.

- Your hair--I didn't say
anything about your daughter.

- That night, nothing.
You don't touch that night.

- I didn't talk about
your daughter.

- Ever. Don't.
- Why?

Because your hairdresser...
- Because it isn't right.

- Accused Thomas
of domestic abuse

and he lost the campaign...
- Shut up.

- Because of your
violent nature.

- I'm getting off--
- Let's not--no, no, no.

Let's--hold on.
- They're the facts, Andy.

- Okay, great.
- They're the facts.

- Let's not go back to it.
Seriously.

I'm gonna murder myself.
- I am too.

- I'm not kidding.
I'm gonna murder myself.

Um, Kathryn, you know, you asked
Thomas not to apologize

to Landon after
the dinner party from hell.

- Mm-hmm.
- But that was after I had

already apologized.
- He had already apologized

'cause he's a gentleman.

- And so what did you tell her
when she said--

- I said I'm not going
to say anything to her.

- So you lied to her.

- Yes.
- But I'm not gonna go apolo--

- No, I only wanted--
- You say, "Do not apologize

to her," and I said,
"I won't say anything to her

"with respect to an apology

even though I had
already apologized."

- He was trying to appease her.
- I mean, it wasn't

a retroactive statement.
- He's trying to appease you

because it's scary,
you're scary.

- So you lied.

- Does that bother you?
- Yeah.

That really actually hurt
my feelings

because I felt
very much betrayed by you.

- Well, I was apologizing--
- Please,

I don't want a response.

- She didn't want it
to be a recantment.

So she was really happy
that you had said it,

and she didn't want the apology
to be a recantment

because then all the good
feelings wouldn't have mattered.

- Because you standing up
for someone being mean

to the mother of your children
during her pregnancy

really meant a lot to me.

- Kathryn, what were you hoping
was gonna happen

by confronting Landon
at the Founders Ball?

- I really wanted to,
like, ask her,

"Why do you keep saying all of
these catty remarks about me,

about being a mother?"

- She remained calm.
It didn't seem like

you wanted to hear anything
she had to say.

- Just like this afternoon,
filming.

- Because I was saying,
"Okay,

"I want to talk calmly

and really figure out
what's going on."

She goes, "I can't hear you."

- There was a band.
- It was so sarcastic.

- I literally
could not hear you.

- It was sarcastic.

She had a smirk on her face.

And I remember thinking,
"I'm not doing this."

You know what,
this is exactly why I haven't

confronted her up until
this point,

because you won't be accountable
no matter what.

You deny, deny,
deny until, "Hmm."

- Well, hold on. Hold on.
- I want to hear from Craig.

- We still don't have a source
of all this animosity.

There's still not
a tipping point on why you guys

should be so angry.
- There's a reason.

Because you lie all the time.

- Okay, give me examples.
- You f---ed Thomas.

Hello, that's the first one.
- I did not.

That's your lie.
- Yes, you did.

- That's what you've created
in your mind, Kathryn,

for a reason to hate me.
- We've never had sex.

- No, it's not.
- I've never even kissed her.

- We've never even held hands.

I'm sorry that you don't
understand our friendship.

- You guys are just so,
so believable.

- Well, as--well, ask,
Kathryn, why--why do you think

that they've had sex?
- Because I have people tell me

that, yes, indeed,
it did happen,

so I do believe it happened,
and also--

- Hearsay, that's a good thing
to believe in.

- Yeah, isn't it?

[dramatic music]

♪ ♪

- Coming up...
- You guys find yourself

in a foreign country,
you're having a great time,

how the hell do I know
if you didn't sleep together?

- We are back with

- We are back with
the "Southern Charm" reunion.

Um, Kathryn,

what do you think happened
between Thomas and Landon?

Do you think there was
a relationship?

- I think that
she initiated something.

Whenever he went to London,
he admitted to me,

and he can--
you know that this is true,

that she was propositioning him
to do something,

like, make it seem like
they were together.

- I never--that's not true.
- Not asking you, so...

- God.

- Whitney,
what's your opinion here?

Do you think
they slept together?

- This isn't fair.
- I know Thomas very well,

and we had a couple drinks,
I don't know, like, last month,

so I was like, "Thomas, dude,

just tell me, you know,
man to man--"

- It doesn't matter
what they say.

They're gonna lie
for each other.

- Um, "You know, did it happen?"
'Cause I was curious,

and he would tell me,
and he's very bad at lying.

And he was like--says,
"No, I didn't.

It's so crazy that I tried."
[laughter]

- I got the impression
from having a few of you

on "Watch What Happens Live"
that you believe

that Landon and Thomas
were together.

- I mean,
Landon says they haven't.

T-Rav says they haven't,
but I put--I put--

- Which means they have.
No, I'm just kidding.

- A double--
two negatives equal a positive.

- Right, right, right.
- Craig, I'm wondering

if you think that Thomas
and Landon ever hooked up.

[playful music]

- Um...

- Craig, I got the impression
that you believe that

Thomas and Landon had
been together.

- It wasn't that
I believe that they had,

but I certainly as heck didn't
believe that they weren't

because of the pictures--
- There's more people outside

of this couch that know sh--.
- No, we're wasted,

and I'm holding
a f---ing pineapple.

- I--well, that's my point.
- Craig loves theories,

by the way.
- That's my point.

- No, it's not
a effing pineapple

because all that people saw was
the picture.

There's a lot more
that happened,

and there's a lot more
that people know.

- But there isn't anything more
that happened.

- Hold on, can I--
I'm asking Craig a question.

- I'm just--I--ugh.
- I'm asking Craig a question.

- "Ugh."
- We all know each other.

- We all like to have fun.
- We're all really good friends.

- But that's what I mean.
You guys find yourself

in a foreign country,
you're having a great time,

how the hell do I know
if you didn't sleep together?

So my answer was,
"I don't know one way or not."

- Well, let me a--
let me say this,

at the very end of the season,

just when we thought there could
be no more fuel

to add to the fire,

at the Founders Ball,
Shep, your date, Robyn,

uh, Landon's friend,

closed out the season finale
by saying...

- Yeah, I don't know
where she got her information.

- Something happened
between the two of them.

- It's around town.
- I was shocked.

- What?

- Who's the crazy one?
Just saying.

- Yeah, I mean, you know,
this is Robyn and Landon,

I don't know what conversations
they've had...

- We've never had
a conversation about Thomas.

- Or what conversations Robyn's
had with other people.

- I think your expression is
very telling

'cause you're like, "Wh"--

if anybody's gonna know,
you would know.

- I was shocked.
- You guys are all covering

for each other.
Shut up.

- I would have thought
you would have come out

if--if you had.
- Thomas cannot keep

a freaking secret.
- Yes, he can.

- I don't think Thomas can
either.

He's the most earnest guy
to a fault.

- I have dated this man,
had two children with him.

Y'all are wrong.
He can.

- I would tell you if I did.
You know, I've lied to Kathryn

probably four times,
and I've told her

every single time I've lied.
- That's such a lie.

That's a lie.
That's a lie.

- Landon, what was your reaction
when you saw the episode

and you saw her say that?

- Um, how unfortunate for Robyn
that she thinks that.

- I don't know if you
realize this, but L.A.

is much bigger than Charleston.

Charleston is tiny.
- Yeah, I know.

I grew up in a smaller town
than Charleston.

- I know.
I really think--

- And that's why I'm not
used to dealing

with women like you--
we don't act like this.

- Let me ask you this.
If the two of you

were not together at the time,
does it matter if they--

- It doesn't matter,
but I wanted to know the truth,

and I know the truth.

- The truth is we never
hooked up.

I'm sorry you can't
understand that.

- You can't face the truth!
That's why I can't have

a conversation with you.
- What's the truth, honey?

All I do is live in the truth.

I'm divorced!
I'm working my ass off

trying to rebuild my life.
I've told Shep I love him

because that's how I feel
in my heart.

I've never had sex
with your baby daddy,

and even if I did...
- Shut up. Admit it.

I'm not doing this.
- It doesn't matter

because you weren't together.

- If she admitted it,
would it be over?

- Yes, all I want to know
is who you are.

I want to know people
for who they are.

Jennifer admitted it.
- Why would--why would she

keep denying it?
- Ohh! I don't know.

- What's in her interest
to keep denying it?

She's single.
- I almost wish we did

so we can make it over.

- Just say you did it.
- No.

I'm not gonna admit to that.

[overlapping shouting]

No, because that speaks
to my character.

I don't sleep around.
- Yeah, yes, you do.

- Are the two of you
still friends?

- Yes.
- You and Landon?

- Yeah, yeah.
- Yes.

- I'm friends
with everyone here.

- Kathryn, do you trust Landon
at this point?

- Hell no.
- Do you trust Thomas

at this point?
- Hell no.

- All right.
- I don't trust anyone really.

- That's bad, Kathryn.
- Not on this.

- I feel sad for you.
- I trust Craig.

- Do you trust Shep?
- That's what I'm saying.

- I trust Shep to a degree, yes.

- So we've beaten this
with a stick.

- The horse is dead.

- Be quiet.
You did it.

Um...
- All right.

We'll be right back.

Coming up...

Landon, you're irritated.

- I'm not gonna keep
defending myself for the truth,

and so I'm done.

I mean,
there's nothing else to say.

- Welcome back.

Well, this has been

an eye-opening season.

And I want to thank all of you

for sharing your lives with us.

Landon, you are--
you're irritated.

- I just--I mean, I'm not gonna
keep defending myself

for the truth, and so I'm done.

I mean, there's nothing else
to say.

- Cameran, where do you leave
this group right now?

- I think we've had some
positive conversation today.

I think I just watched Whitney
hug Kathryn, so...

that's--that's, um, good.

- Whitney, thanks for being
decent to me.

- What's that?
- I said, thanks

for being decent to me.

- Well, this is--for you to be--
- Are we hugging it out?

- Let's hug it out, babe.
- Let's awkwardly--

don't do anything crazy on my--

- What did I just see?
- [laughs]

- What?

- Kathryn, what were you
thanking him for?

- I don't know.
I feel like he kind of opened up

a little bit and allowed himself
to kind of, like,

let go of the stigma of the
past, you know what I mean?

And we really don't need
to hate each other.

We really don't need to.
- Yeah.

- Whitney, how are you feeling?

- I think we've made progress.

You know, I want Kathryn
and Thomas to be friends

and just do what's right
for the kids.

I think you will find
a proper solution.

- Shep, where do you think
you'll be a year from now?

- Hopefully in Charleston.
I don't think I'll ever leave.

It's the place
that makes me most happy,

and I've got a lot
of friends there.

And, I mean, today, I thought
was somewhat cathartic.

I still am sort of confused
about the cold war

that we've been over
ad nauseam.

I don't want
to go over it again.

But, again,
I kind of echo Whitney.

I really want the best
for y'all's children.

They should be exalted
'cause they're innocent,

wonderful little things.

- Craig, you've changed a lot
over the last year.

- I think it was getting back
to my true self, which was good.

- Senator Ravenel,
some closing thoughts?

- Well, I think some fences
were mended tonight.

There's still a ways to go
between myself and Kathryn.

- Do you think you're gonna
figure it out?

- I certainly hope so.

I think it's very important
that we become good friends...

- I'm glad that you feel
that way now.

- And allies in the development
of our children.

- Thank you.

- All right, well,
thanks, guys!

That was great.
Oh, let's bring out drinks.

- All right.

- Oh, my God.
- Mmm.

- Shep, take us out
with a toast.

- We've had our ups and downs,
but we understand each other

in a way that no one else can,
and I think we should continue

to be friends,
and I love you all,

and you're all good people
in my mind, so, cheers.

- Hear, hear.
- Cheers.

- Very nice.
- Cheers.

- To you guys.
To Charleston.

- ♪ It's easy ♪

- Mmm!
- That was good.

That was a good toast.

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