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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,768 --> 00:00:03,669 - Tom harvey has been very much 2 00:00:03,837 --> 00:00:06,805 An enigmatic, mysterious character. 3 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:12,211 - He was a little bit secretive 4 00:00:12,345 --> 00:00:16,115 About having einstein's brain in his apartment. 5 00:00:19,419 --> 00:00:22,688 - I mean, he was no hero, but I don't think 6 00:00:22,823 --> 00:00:26,759 He did anything with evil intentions. 7 00:00:30,764 --> 00:00:36,301 - Bottom line, he was to protect that brain, and he did. 8 00:00:38,639 --> 00:00:41,440 - Tom harvey turned out to be the man who really 9 00:00:41,608 --> 00:00:45,444 Set in motion the immortal afterlife of einstein's brain. 10 00:01:41,268 --> 00:01:45,671 - Tom harvey is a very mysterious fellow, 11 00:01:45,873 --> 00:01:48,841 And his motivations are not understood. 12 00:01:50,211 --> 00:01:52,377 There was high expectations in tom's family 13 00:01:52,512 --> 00:01:55,848 For high achievement, in professional terms. 14 00:01:56,016 --> 00:01:58,784 He had a great-grandfather that was a doctor 15 00:01:58,919 --> 00:02:01,053 And a grandfather who was a judge. 16 00:02:03,290 --> 00:02:06,925 It was sort of a given that he would, you know, 17 00:02:07,093 --> 00:02:10,295 Do something like that, doctoring or lawyering, 18 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:12,631 And so he went to yale for medical school, 19 00:02:12,766 --> 00:02:15,000 And he had always hoped to be a pediatrician. 20 00:02:23,177 --> 00:02:26,645 - Einstein in 1905, he's a patent clerk, second class, 21 00:02:26,780 --> 00:02:33,051 And he rips off five of these earth-shattering, paradigmatic articles. 22 00:02:34,421 --> 00:02:36,155 You know, the annus mirabilis 23 00:02:36,357 --> 00:02:38,390 Where you're finding out e equals mc squared, 24 00:02:38,525 --> 00:02:42,427 And special relativity. I mean, for a patent clerk in bern, 25 00:02:42,596 --> 00:02:44,630 Just rattling off these papers. 26 00:02:45,265 --> 00:02:48,867 And then, ten years later, learning enough mathematics 27 00:02:49,035 --> 00:02:52,237 That he could come up with the theory of general relativity. 28 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:54,706 What was going on in this guy's head 29 00:02:54,874 --> 00:02:56,708 That he could think of stuff like that? 30 00:03:00,247 --> 00:03:04,950 - Tom harvey was partly through medical school at yale 31 00:03:05,085 --> 00:03:07,986 And he developed tuberculosis, 32 00:03:08,121 --> 00:03:11,456 And in those days, to treat tuberculosis, 33 00:03:11,591 --> 00:03:13,725 They thought fresh air was the cure, 34 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:18,797 So they had him set up at the gaylord sanatorium. 35 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,736 Which was just this place where young people were living 36 00:03:24,904 --> 00:03:28,040 All year-round, no matter the temperature, 37 00:03:28,242 --> 00:03:31,577 And it could get cold. And he described shivering 38 00:03:31,711 --> 00:03:35,581 Out there and really having a renegotiation 39 00:03:35,716 --> 00:03:38,417 With religion during that time. 40 00:03:39,419 --> 00:03:41,553 And it also turned out to be where he met 41 00:03:41,688 --> 00:03:43,522 His first wife, elouise, 42 00:03:43,657 --> 00:03:46,458 And she was a nursing student. 43 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,662 When they both recovered, they got married shortly after that. 44 00:03:54,535 --> 00:03:57,135 - Einstein came up with the general theory of relativity, 45 00:03:57,338 --> 00:03:59,438 But it was based on many scientists before him 46 00:03:59,606 --> 00:04:01,473 Who had come up with the building blocks 47 00:04:01,675 --> 00:04:03,108 For the theory of relativity. 48 00:04:03,276 --> 00:04:06,144 And then, like a spark of lightning, 49 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,147 He finished the equation and he made it famous, 50 00:04:09,316 --> 00:04:11,984 And boom, he's on the cover of the new york times. 51 00:04:12,118 --> 00:04:14,886 You know, he's time magazine's person of the century. 52 00:04:18,458 --> 00:04:20,259 - When he comes to the united states 53 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:21,760 And he's mobbed at new york 54 00:04:21,895 --> 00:04:23,996 Where there was a huge jewish population, 55 00:04:24,164 --> 00:04:29,434 You know, they were yelling out to him like he was the messiah. 56 00:04:29,636 --> 00:04:31,303 He was a great jew. 57 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:35,340 And he thought this was totally ridiculous. 58 00:04:37,044 --> 00:04:41,680 After the seizure of power by hitler in January 1933, 59 00:04:41,848 --> 00:04:44,549 He was removed from his position 60 00:04:44,718 --> 00:04:46,752 At the prussian academy of sciences. 61 00:04:47,487 --> 00:04:49,488 So einstein moved to the united states. 62 00:04:49,656 --> 00:04:51,790 He said, "I'm never returning." 63 00:04:54,528 --> 00:04:57,029 the war broke out, 64 00:04:57,197 --> 00:05:00,332 And this was difficult for tom because he was a quaker. 65 00:05:00,534 --> 00:05:02,567 And quakers are pacifists. 66 00:05:02,736 --> 00:05:05,370 So instead of fighting on the battlefield, 67 00:05:05,538 --> 00:05:08,307 He signed up to work in an army pathology lab. 68 00:05:10,811 --> 00:05:15,414 In very quick succession, elouise and tom had three sons. 69 00:05:15,549 --> 00:05:18,550 by the time the war was over, 70 00:05:18,685 --> 00:05:22,120 It was pretty clear to tom that he could go back 71 00:05:22,288 --> 00:05:24,923 And be a resident and try to become a pediatrician, 72 00:05:25,058 --> 00:05:28,126 But it would be pretty hard to house and feed the family 73 00:05:28,294 --> 00:05:29,661 On a resident's salary. 74 00:05:29,829 --> 00:05:33,498 Whereas if he went into pathology, 75 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:37,235 Which he sort of already had this grounding in during the war, 76 00:05:37,371 --> 00:05:39,271 He could get paid fairly well. 77 00:06:05,065 --> 00:06:06,098 Yeah. 78 00:06:26,586 --> 00:06:28,787 - Princeton had its virtues. 79 00:06:30,957 --> 00:06:33,692 My father, he was a pathologist. 80 00:06:35,161 --> 00:06:40,799 It was an unusual kind of upbringing, in that regard, 81 00:06:40,934 --> 00:06:47,572 Surrounded by organs and, you know, bits and pieces 82 00:06:47,774 --> 00:06:49,641 Of humanity. 83 00:06:50,477 --> 00:06:53,078 And I guess one of the most dramatic recollections 84 00:06:53,213 --> 00:06:56,047 I have of him when I was tiny, 85 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:59,451 He took me to watch him do an autopsy. 86 00:07:02,923 --> 00:07:05,524 I didn't quite know what to think about that 87 00:07:05,659 --> 00:07:07,626 For a long time, but you know, 88 00:07:07,794 --> 00:07:10,695 He seemed so calm about the whole process 89 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:15,667 That I just tried to absorb it and enjoy it. 90 00:07:36,556 --> 00:07:39,324 At princeton university lives new jersey's 91 00:07:39,526 --> 00:07:41,393 Most famous foreign-born citizen, 92 00:07:41,528 --> 00:07:43,695 Professor albert einstein. 93 00:07:43,897 --> 00:07:47,199 - Albert einstein came to princeton in '33. 94 00:07:48,034 --> 00:07:50,402 Only good stories. 95 00:07:51,804 --> 00:07:54,406 The stories of, you know, 96 00:07:54,574 --> 00:07:57,409 Helping kids with their homework, they're legit. 97 00:07:57,544 --> 00:07:59,711 They've actually followed up some of those. 98 00:08:00,513 --> 00:08:03,081 Even though he had this statement about, 99 00:08:03,249 --> 00:08:06,551 "it's a funny little town with gods on stilts," 100 00:08:06,686 --> 00:08:08,386 But... I think he liked the town. 101 00:08:13,192 --> 00:08:16,428 - Oh, well, the basement was interesting. 102 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:26,037 It was an anatomical museum of a sort, you know, 103 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:27,973 With organs and... 104 00:08:30,343 --> 00:08:32,777 Organs that I couldn't identify. 105 00:08:32,913 --> 00:08:37,015 You know, some of them were clearly brains. 106 00:08:38,218 --> 00:08:41,686 It was very strange, and it was a real source of wonder 107 00:08:41,888 --> 00:08:45,657 To friends that we would bring over and take downstairs. 108 00:08:45,825 --> 00:08:48,827 We should've charged money. I could've been a very... 109 00:08:49,029 --> 00:08:51,996 ...Very well-off child. 110 00:08:54,968 --> 00:08:57,969 - Einstein was an interesting man of contradictions. 111 00:08:59,038 --> 00:09:00,939 On the one hand, he really didn't care 112 00:09:01,107 --> 00:09:03,208 What people thought about him. He would walk around princeton 113 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:06,545 In his pyjamas. He had dishevelled hair, he didn't wear socks. 114 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:08,813 He was a man of very few social graces. 115 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:11,449 And so, he really didn't care what people thought about him. 116 00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:14,619 And I think that's what made him so popular with people. 117 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:18,089 It was kind of this, you know, doing the opposite 118 00:09:18,291 --> 00:09:21,359 Is what made him popular. Being authentic is what made him popular. 119 00:09:55,328 --> 00:09:58,396 - Tom harvey was always interested in making 120 00:09:58,564 --> 00:10:02,200 Some kind of meaningful contribution to science and society. 121 00:10:03,136 --> 00:10:06,171 You know, when the boys were young, he would team up 122 00:10:06,373 --> 00:10:10,208 With this cast of characters to conduct these experiments 123 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:12,510 In his yard and his garage. 124 00:10:15,515 --> 00:10:20,018 - An armenian doctor that had lost his laboratory, 125 00:10:20,153 --> 00:10:24,055 He was looking for cures to cancer. 126 00:10:24,223 --> 00:10:30,261 He wanted to use our garage and my father said sure. 127 00:10:30,830 --> 00:10:36,768 And it turned out he was using chickens for his lab subjects. 128 00:10:38,005 --> 00:10:40,972 It was quite peculiar for a while. 129 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:47,612 - The holy grail for einstein was the theory of everything. 130 00:10:47,747 --> 00:10:51,950 The idea of saying, can you reconcile quantum mechanics, 131 00:10:52,152 --> 00:10:54,285 Electromagnetism with gravity, 132 00:10:54,421 --> 00:10:55,920 A theory that explains everything? 133 00:10:56,856 --> 00:10:58,256 And to his dying day, 134 00:10:58,391 --> 00:11:01,092 And that's not an expression I use loosely. 135 00:11:01,294 --> 00:11:04,362 When he died on April 18th, '55, 136 00:11:04,564 --> 00:11:07,132 There were five or six pages of handwritten manuscript 137 00:11:07,266 --> 00:11:09,567 Where he was still trying to come up 138 00:11:09,703 --> 00:11:14,039 With a mathematical synthesis of the theory of everything. 139 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:28,186 Doctor albert einstein came to america with his wife 140 00:11:28,321 --> 00:11:30,155 To escape nazi persecution. 141 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:32,257 His mathematical wizardry led to the atomic age. 142 00:11:32,459 --> 00:11:33,792 He received highest honors, 143 00:11:33,927 --> 00:11:36,261 But lived quietly at princeton, new jersey. 144 00:11:36,429 --> 00:11:39,731 There, death came to albert einstein. He was 76. 145 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:45,003 - So, einstein died at princeton hospital 146 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:49,674 At about one o'clock in the morning on April 18th, 1955, 147 00:11:49,876 --> 00:11:54,345 And somewhere in the middle of that night between that and dawn, 148 00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:58,750 A call came to tom harvey's house from the hospital, 149 00:11:58,885 --> 00:12:02,487 And it was einstein's doctor, guy dean, 150 00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:07,058 And he said basically, "tom, you should get over here." 151 00:12:07,193 --> 00:12:10,295 "einstein died last night, 152 00:12:10,430 --> 00:12:13,298 And we'd like you to do the autopsy. 153 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:17,802 You should come in first thing and get to it." 154 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,375 - Well, I remember sitting around the kitchen table 155 00:12:24,511 --> 00:12:26,578 And the subject came up. 156 00:12:27,647 --> 00:12:33,151 And, of course, I had no idea what really, you know, 157 00:12:33,286 --> 00:12:37,822 It portended in terms of what was going to happen 158 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:40,258 In terms of my father's career. 159 00:12:42,361 --> 00:12:45,497 - Tom harvey got ready for work that morning and walked, 160 00:12:45,631 --> 00:12:48,099 As he often did, from his home on jefferson street 161 00:12:48,234 --> 00:12:49,334 To the hospital. 162 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:18,062 - At that point, I think there was a realization on his part 163 00:13:18,231 --> 00:13:24,068 That all of his ambitions, which, on many levels, 164 00:13:24,203 --> 00:13:26,771 Had been thwarted for his career, 165 00:13:26,906 --> 00:13:29,474 Were now leading him to this moment. 166 00:13:31,444 --> 00:13:34,946 He was going to be the pathologist, the one, 167 00:13:35,081 --> 00:13:37,715 As the chief pathologist of princeton hospital, 168 00:13:37,851 --> 00:13:41,519 To perform the autopsy on albert einstein, 169 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:44,589 The genius of the modern age. 170 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:48,726 - He does the autopsy. In the 50s, they did that, 171 00:13:48,862 --> 00:13:50,929 And he would've set to work. 172 00:14:18,692 --> 00:14:21,192 - And then he did something that was off the script, 173 00:14:21,327 --> 00:14:24,529 And he basically takes a saw to remove the skull, 174 00:14:24,731 --> 00:14:26,965 Reaches in, grabs the brain... 175 00:14:30,336 --> 00:14:33,838 - When I asked him in the autopsy suite 176 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,709 Why he decided to take albert einstein's brain, 177 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:41,346 He said, quite unequivocally, 178 00:14:41,514 --> 00:14:44,249 You know, that this was the brain of a genius, 179 00:14:44,451 --> 00:14:48,553 And he would've felt ashamed if he left it. 180 00:14:52,459 --> 00:14:55,760 This was the 50s, you know, a high time for science. 181 00:14:55,928 --> 00:15:00,198 You know, color televisions and antibiotics 182 00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:04,269 And dna structure had just been discovered. 183 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:08,039 There was a whole lot of hubris around science at that time. 184 00:15:08,207 --> 00:15:11,476 Could we find the source of genius? Of course we can! 185 00:15:11,611 --> 00:15:13,778 We just have to look at albert einstein's brain. 186 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:20,451 So for tom, in that moment, 187 00:15:20,586 --> 00:15:25,456 This brain represents all of his ambitions 188 00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:29,294 To make a meaningful contribution to science. 189 00:15:36,135 --> 00:15:39,971 The president of the hospital at that time wasn't a doctor 190 00:15:40,173 --> 00:15:44,575 But a really ambitious businessman by the name of jack kaufmann, 191 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:48,112 And he was really keen that, 192 00:15:48,314 --> 00:15:51,649 You know, not only would they do the einstein autopsy, 193 00:15:51,851 --> 00:15:53,952 But that princeton hospital would hold on to that brain. 194 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:59,490 And he was happy that tom harvey then went out after the autopsy 195 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:03,594 And announced this to the press, 'cause it put them on the map. 196 00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:08,099 - I don't know how the media found out about it, 197 00:16:08,234 --> 00:16:12,337 But there's a photograph of him, there's sort of wrought iron veranda. 198 00:16:12,472 --> 00:16:15,707 It's on the ground level of the princeton medical center, 199 00:16:15,841 --> 00:16:18,142 And he's talking to the reporters. 200 00:16:21,180 --> 00:16:24,182 - And the problem came the next day 201 00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:28,219 When einstein's family reads about it in the new york times 202 00:16:28,354 --> 00:16:32,056 That einstein's brain did not get cremated with the rest of him. 203 00:16:32,224 --> 00:16:34,892 That's when things go sideways. 204 00:16:36,396 --> 00:16:42,066 - I mean, I understand that members of einstein's family 205 00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:46,137 Were very concerned about what had happened 206 00:16:46,305 --> 00:16:50,308 And whether or not my father should have the brain, 207 00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:55,179 And I don't know all the factors in his decision, 208 00:16:55,381 --> 00:16:59,684 But I trusted my father and his judgement. 209 00:17:03,456 --> 00:17:06,391 - Somehow, harvey had a conversation with otto nathan, 210 00:17:06,526 --> 00:17:09,494 Fellow émigré and einstein's executor, 211 00:17:09,628 --> 00:17:11,596 And hans albert, his son, 212 00:17:11,731 --> 00:17:15,066 And convinced them that this is a unique specimen. 213 00:17:16,368 --> 00:17:20,171 You know, a genius for the ages, and a man of science. 214 00:17:20,306 --> 00:17:22,874 And I'm told his son went for it, 215 00:17:23,076 --> 00:17:26,878 And then pretty much the executor, otto nathan, had to go along with it. 216 00:17:27,013 --> 00:17:29,447 He said, "okay, go ahead and study it." 217 00:17:30,249 --> 00:17:31,649 - Dear dr. Harvey... 218 00:17:50,503 --> 00:17:52,937 - And tom makes this promise, 219 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:57,775 This oath which really would outlast every other he made in his life, 220 00:17:57,977 --> 00:18:02,647 Which was that he would save the brain for scientific study 221 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:06,117 And that it would only be used for scientific research, 222 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:09,787 And that anything about it, any publicity about it 223 00:18:09,989 --> 00:18:14,826 Would only appear in scientific or medical journals. 224 00:18:15,761 --> 00:18:20,798 That it would not become the object of layperson's fascination, 225 00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:24,202 Or to quote einstein, who really didn't want people 226 00:18:24,337 --> 00:18:26,471 To come and worship at his bones. 227 00:18:26,673 --> 00:18:29,707 So, that was tom harvey's promise. 228 00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:45,423 - This was a violation of einstein the man, 229 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:47,959 Einstein the body in such a visceral way, 230 00:18:48,094 --> 00:18:51,963 And so I find it hard to believe that anyone would say 231 00:18:52,165 --> 00:18:54,432 Thomas harvey was doing the right thing. 232 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,835 Who was he to make that call? 233 00:18:58,037 --> 00:19:01,706 You know, nowadays, hopefully, I would hope that morgues 234 00:19:01,908 --> 00:19:03,808 Are run in a better fashion, 235 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:05,743 That people can't steal the brain. 236 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:10,815 - The rest of einstein was cremated. 237 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:13,184 That's not in the will, but he was cremated. 238 00:19:13,386 --> 00:19:15,286 No one knows where his ashes are. 239 00:19:17,022 --> 00:19:20,391 Some people feel they were scattered near the crematorium in ewing. 240 00:19:20,526 --> 00:19:24,328 Other people felt that they scattered them on lake carnegie, 241 00:19:24,496 --> 00:19:28,366 Where einstein liked to sail a bit, but no one really knows. 242 00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:32,270 Harvey kept the brain. 243 00:19:59,465 --> 00:20:02,166 - People called it the heist of the century. 244 00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:06,571 I mean, that was always one of the crazier aspects of this story. 245 00:20:06,706 --> 00:20:10,241 I mean, when they were collecting einstein's papers 246 00:20:10,443 --> 00:20:12,443 And works after his death, 247 00:20:12,578 --> 00:20:16,447 There were armed guards, like, escorting his work 248 00:20:16,582 --> 00:20:20,551 To the hebrew university where the archives are, 249 00:20:20,719 --> 00:20:23,387 And yet his brain somehow ended up going right off the grid! 250 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:40,104 I think that when tom first took the brain into his possession, 251 00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:44,375 He was reading constantly about normal brains 252 00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:46,944 And what they looked like, and how best to preserve them. 253 00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:53,751 - The first thing was to preserve the tissue, 254 00:20:53,953 --> 00:20:59,457 One with formaldehyde put through the great blood vessels of the brain, 255 00:20:59,625 --> 00:21:03,694 And then you put it in a jar full of formaldehyde to... 256 00:21:03,896 --> 00:21:06,564 This is double fixation. This is what you want to do 257 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:09,600 With specimens to reduce artefacts so you get the most... 258 00:21:09,768 --> 00:21:11,335 The best slides. 259 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:15,640 And then once they were in the plastic stuff 260 00:21:15,808 --> 00:21:17,308 That you put the blocks in, 261 00:21:17,443 --> 00:21:19,610 Then you could put them in a microtome. 262 00:21:21,714 --> 00:21:24,382 Think of like how you slice cold cuts, 263 00:21:24,517 --> 00:21:26,217 You know, those at the grocery store? 264 00:21:26,385 --> 00:21:28,753 Well, you got a fancier one for that, a very special one 265 00:21:28,887 --> 00:21:31,122 That only a few people knew how to do it. 266 00:21:35,527 --> 00:21:42,266 - After he had sectioned the brain into, you know, 240 pieces or so, 267 00:21:42,434 --> 00:21:48,272 And after he had boxes of slides made of the brain tissue, 268 00:21:48,407 --> 00:21:53,344 He went about distributing the brain out on a road trip 269 00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:56,314 Along the highway to different scientists. 270 00:22:00,219 --> 00:22:03,287 It was in an effort to try to get somebody interested 271 00:22:03,489 --> 00:22:05,189 In actually studying the brain. 272 00:22:06,625 --> 00:22:09,527 But everybody was busy, and tom didn't have any money. 273 00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:12,196 Who was going to study einstein's brain for free? 274 00:22:13,766 --> 00:22:16,334 As it turned out, not many people. 275 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:21,505 I think a lot of the researchers who were interested 276 00:22:21,707 --> 00:22:23,607 In getting pieces of the brain from harvey 277 00:22:23,742 --> 00:22:27,545 Were interested, not simply because they were 278 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:30,815 Really interested in finding the source of intelligence, 279 00:22:30,949 --> 00:22:33,684 But because it was einstein's brain. 280 00:22:33,819 --> 00:22:39,557 They were, in many ways, seduced by the allure 281 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:43,861 Of the fame of the man himself, 282 00:22:43,996 --> 00:22:46,731 The proximity to genius. 283 00:23:06,985 --> 00:23:09,487 - Harvey was invited down 284 00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:12,022 To the armed forced institute of pathology, 285 00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:16,127 Which was kind of just an incredible aggregation of experts, 286 00:23:16,261 --> 00:23:19,063 In terms of any type of pathology, but brain pathology, 287 00:23:19,198 --> 00:23:21,399 They had special experts. 288 00:23:24,437 --> 00:23:28,272 - And chief among them was the head of neuropathology 289 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:31,609 For the us army, a fellow by the name of webb haymaker. 290 00:23:33,545 --> 00:23:35,880 - Haymaker was quite a guy. 291 00:23:36,048 --> 00:23:38,616 He was a chain-smoking pathologist, wrote a bunch 292 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:41,886 Of books, he supposedly looked at mussolini's brain 293 00:23:42,054 --> 00:23:45,790 And robert ley's brain, who was a nazi criminal. 294 00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:48,592 He was kind of a hard-bitten guy, 295 00:23:48,727 --> 00:23:50,928 And he was trying to get harvey. 296 00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:52,630 He says, "well, you are going to leave the brain 297 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:54,098 With us, dr. Harvey." 298 00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:57,902 And harvey, I think, probably had anticipated that, 299 00:23:58,036 --> 00:24:00,104 'cause he didn't bring the brain with him. 300 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,742 - He had never any intention of turning the brain 301 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:06,644 Over to the us military, 302 00:24:06,846 --> 00:24:09,880 Which is interesting because he really thought, on one hand, 303 00:24:10,048 --> 00:24:12,750 It was because he had made the personal promise to einstein's family 304 00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:16,253 And they had given him the permission to keep it, 305 00:24:16,421 --> 00:24:18,322 Not to turn it over to anyone else, 306 00:24:18,524 --> 00:24:22,726 And also as a pacifist and knowing that also einstein was a pacifist, 307 00:24:22,895 --> 00:24:26,797 He didn't want to see the brain in the hands of the army. 308 00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:32,002 That was another motivating factor for him to hold on to it. 309 00:24:34,106 --> 00:24:37,308 - I mean, this is a labor of love. This is off the clock. 310 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:39,777 This guy's got a full-time job. 311 00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:43,080 "does my patient have kidney cancer, dr. Harvey?" 312 00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:45,983 And he would deal with that, but on the weekends, 313 00:24:46,185 --> 00:24:47,551 He would do this. 314 00:24:48,354 --> 00:24:52,456 - He really thought that if he devoted himself 315 00:24:52,591 --> 00:24:57,595 To einstein's brain in this way that it would put him in, 316 00:24:57,730 --> 00:25:01,265 At last, the higher annals of science. 317 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,169 The irony was that after taking this brain 318 00:25:05,337 --> 00:25:07,171 And making this promise, 319 00:25:07,339 --> 00:25:10,641 His personal life sort of started to unravel. 320 00:25:14,112 --> 00:25:16,313 After tom harvey took the brain, 321 00:25:16,481 --> 00:25:19,149 He became a bit of a local celebrity, right? 322 00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:24,688 The rumor was that tom ended up having an affair 323 00:25:24,823 --> 00:25:28,993 With somebody at the hospital, a lab technician or a nurse. 324 00:25:29,795 --> 00:25:33,063 And apparently, this word got out 325 00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:35,533 And tom's wife heard about it. 326 00:25:37,202 --> 00:25:42,540 She was livid. And so, she went to jack kaufmann 327 00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:44,475 Who was the president of the hospital, 328 00:25:44,643 --> 00:25:47,411 The one really happy that they had einstein's brain, 329 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:51,181 And she went in and she told him, "hey!" 330 00:25:51,384 --> 00:25:53,617 Apparently, lost her temper and said, 331 00:25:53,785 --> 00:25:55,486 "what kind of place are you running here? 332 00:25:55,654 --> 00:25:57,721 Do you know this is happening?" 333 00:25:57,923 --> 00:26:03,060 - They broke up, they got back together, they broke up again. 334 00:26:04,196 --> 00:26:06,063 I don't know how many times 335 00:26:06,265 --> 00:26:08,899 That happened, I think it might've happened a third time, 336 00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:13,737 Which was when my mother finally gave him a divorce. 337 00:26:18,811 --> 00:26:20,744 - No one really knows why he quit his position 338 00:26:20,879 --> 00:26:22,646 At princeton medical center. 339 00:26:24,883 --> 00:26:27,518 You know, maybe his marriage was going south, 340 00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:30,354 He had a number of relationships in his life, 341 00:26:30,556 --> 00:26:34,124 But he quit the job or... 342 00:26:34,326 --> 00:26:37,861 Did he get pushed a bit because of the einstein publicity? 343 00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:40,264 No one really knows. 344 00:26:41,968 --> 00:26:44,068 - Was he fired? Did he quit? 345 00:26:44,202 --> 00:26:47,972 He certainly, sometime late in the 60s, resigned. 346 00:26:48,174 --> 00:26:50,374 And einstein's brain went with him. 347 00:27:20,740 --> 00:27:24,942 - Well, when he and my mom met and they were just dating, 348 00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:28,946 My earliest literal memory was calling him uncle tom. 349 00:27:30,916 --> 00:27:34,752 But we started calling him "dad" immediately. 350 00:27:34,887 --> 00:27:37,454 He is the only dad I've ever known. 351 00:27:37,622 --> 00:27:39,857 The only dad I've ever known. 352 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,961 - All I remember is always knowing that he did 353 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,463 The autopsy on albert einstein. 354 00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:49,233 I knew he was a pathologist, 355 00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:53,137 And I'm sure when I was really young I'm like, I don't know, 356 00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:55,139 "what's a pathologist? What's an autopsy?" 357 00:27:56,641 --> 00:28:00,711 - They met in princeton. I know they met in princeton. 358 00:28:00,846 --> 00:28:04,114 They did so many things together. They both loved 359 00:28:04,249 --> 00:28:06,550 Sailing, they loved the outdoors. 360 00:28:06,718 --> 00:28:09,653 They both literally loved the outdoors. 361 00:28:11,656 --> 00:28:15,059 - Well, my dad was a little character. 362 00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:16,994 His personality, you know, 363 00:28:17,196 --> 00:28:19,730 Because he was kind of a quiet man, you know? 364 00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:26,570 And wasn't a loud, boisterous, flamboyant... But quietly. 365 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:32,209 Quietly, like, with no words, mowing the lawn in lederhosen. 366 00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:36,880 You know, just entertaining his guests with his kilt on. 367 00:28:37,082 --> 00:28:39,183 You know, just quietly doing it, 368 00:28:39,351 --> 00:28:43,587 Not bringing any other attention than it was already bringing. 369 00:28:44,956 --> 00:28:48,792 - My dad had a pair of leather lederhosen. 370 00:28:50,095 --> 00:28:53,197 And whenever he had those on, 371 00:28:53,331 --> 00:28:56,834 It was the day we had to be cleaning the yard. 372 00:28:58,571 --> 00:29:01,205 He mowed the lawn in his lederhosen 373 00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:03,574 With the socks and the suspenders 374 00:29:03,709 --> 00:29:07,111 And the little ivory thing and the whole... 375 00:29:09,548 --> 00:29:14,118 He played the banjo and he played the accordion. 376 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:17,588 - He had his office in the basement 377 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:19,790 In the very back left corner, 378 00:29:19,992 --> 00:29:23,227 And you know, one of those big, wooden desks, 379 00:29:23,361 --> 00:29:26,196 And bookshelves with loads of books, 380 00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:29,733 And he had the brain there. 381 00:29:34,673 --> 00:29:40,177 - And I happened to see this jar with a brain in it. 382 00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:44,581 And I asked what it was, and he told me, 383 00:29:44,749 --> 00:29:47,084 But we weren't allowed to talk about it. 384 00:29:48,553 --> 00:29:51,021 We were not allowed to talk about it. 385 00:29:52,958 --> 00:29:55,292 - Well, yeah, I'm the one who wanted like, 386 00:29:55,427 --> 00:29:56,960 "can I bring it into school?" 387 00:29:57,095 --> 00:30:00,264 And you know, but it was like, "no." 388 00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:04,601 And any time I had a friend over, "come on, let me show you 389 00:30:04,769 --> 00:30:05,936 Where the brain is!" 390 00:30:06,071 --> 00:30:07,437 And we'd go down the stairs 391 00:30:07,606 --> 00:30:09,173 And into the back room, and there it is! 392 00:30:43,975 --> 00:30:47,644 - In 1975, we moved to kansas. 393 00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:50,948 Now, living in new jersey and moving to wichita, 394 00:30:51,150 --> 00:30:54,885 Which all we ever heard about was dodge city, 395 00:30:55,087 --> 00:30:57,321 Cowboys and indians, and we literally thought, 396 00:30:57,456 --> 00:30:59,456 "we're gonna be the only people 397 00:30:59,591 --> 00:31:01,692 In the state of kansas with a car." 398 00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:06,363 And I'm not kidding, that's what we thought. 399 00:31:06,498 --> 00:31:08,866 - And it was hard, because then, 400 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,869 You know, all our real close friends were in new jersey. 401 00:31:12,003 --> 00:31:15,138 And I don't think it affected my younger sisters, 402 00:31:15,273 --> 00:31:17,875 They were young. But... 403 00:31:18,009 --> 00:31:21,411 I just know that that's hard on kids. 404 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:27,084 And also to pull my mom away from all her friends and family, 405 00:31:27,252 --> 00:31:30,220 You know, just where we grew up. 406 00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:34,024 - It was different. It was different. 407 00:31:35,026 --> 00:31:37,928 'cause my parents, their marriage ended there, 408 00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:40,631 So that was hard. Really hard. 409 00:32:07,993 --> 00:32:11,128 - Every time tom moves, otto nathan, 410 00:32:11,262 --> 00:32:13,697 Einstein's executor tracks him down, 411 00:32:13,832 --> 00:32:16,800 And he keeps writing tom these impatient letters, 412 00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:19,303 Basically begging him for an update 413 00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:23,206 On what's happening with the study of his great friend's brain. 414 00:32:24,476 --> 00:32:27,344 - It's a little bit of, what I would call, 415 00:32:27,479 --> 00:32:29,446 An asymmetric correspondence, 416 00:32:29,581 --> 00:32:33,483 Because it's overwhelmingly nathan pleading with harvey 417 00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:38,288 To do something with that brain. 418 00:32:38,423 --> 00:32:40,390 - Dear dr. Harvey... 419 00:32:51,937 --> 00:32:56,106 - Some 23 years past since einstein's death, 420 00:32:56,274 --> 00:33:01,278 And there was a particular editor who assigned 421 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,981 A young reporter by the name of steven levy 422 00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:06,149 To go in search of einstein's brain, 423 00:33:06,284 --> 00:33:07,985 And this actually would set off 424 00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:10,387 What became the recurring pattern. 425 00:33:10,555 --> 00:33:14,057 So, somebody in the media would say, 426 00:33:14,192 --> 00:33:16,159 "hey, whatever happened to einstein's brain? 427 00:33:16,361 --> 00:33:17,394 We should find out." 428 00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:20,697 - And one day, my editor, 429 00:33:20,899 --> 00:33:23,266 He was a pretty new editor who would come from new york, 430 00:33:23,435 --> 00:33:26,870 Told me, "I want you to find einstein's brain." 431 00:33:27,072 --> 00:33:29,172 It was a crazy assignment. 432 00:33:29,374 --> 00:33:31,108 Einstein's brain is missing? 433 00:33:31,243 --> 00:33:32,943 I hadn't heard anything about that. 434 00:33:35,447 --> 00:33:39,549 And my editor told me, "by the way, I want to use this 435 00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:41,418 For the August cover story." 436 00:33:41,586 --> 00:33:45,389 Which only gave me a few weeks to find einstein's brain, 437 00:33:45,591 --> 00:33:49,259 Something no one had done in more than 20 years. 438 00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:53,630 First point of contact was dr. Otto nathan, 439 00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:58,101 Who was the executor of the einstein estate. 440 00:33:58,236 --> 00:34:00,604 And he gave me no help. 441 00:34:00,739 --> 00:34:03,206 He was aggressively not interested 442 00:34:03,341 --> 00:34:05,575 In following up on this. 443 00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:11,081 The new york times article had said the brain had been 444 00:34:11,283 --> 00:34:13,884 Removed from the body by dr. Thomas harvey. 445 00:34:14,086 --> 00:34:18,455 And you know, there was no way to google him back then in 1978, 446 00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:22,492 But there were ways to look people up, and eventually, 447 00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:27,264 I realized that since he was a physician, an md, 448 00:34:27,432 --> 00:34:29,499 The american medical association 449 00:34:29,701 --> 00:34:32,769 Might know where he is or who he was. 450 00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:35,272 I want you to find this guy, dr. Thomas harvey... 451 00:34:35,406 --> 00:34:37,474 And I called them up, their office was in chicago. 452 00:34:37,642 --> 00:34:41,878 And I talked some very nice woman there into telling me, 453 00:34:42,046 --> 00:34:46,416 You know, the numbers of any dr. Thomas harvey. 454 00:34:46,551 --> 00:34:50,487 There was a dr. Thomas s. Harvey, I knew his middle name, 455 00:34:50,655 --> 00:34:53,657 And she said there's one in wichita, kansas. 456 00:34:55,493 --> 00:34:57,961 I arrived in wichita. 457 00:34:58,129 --> 00:35:01,364 By the time I got there, there was a torrential rain, 458 00:35:01,533 --> 00:35:05,769 And the taxi cab is driving and bumping around 459 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:09,673 And going through giant puddles the size of bomb craters. 460 00:35:11,009 --> 00:35:14,344 And I arrive at this medical lab. 461 00:35:14,479 --> 00:35:16,713 And I had been under the impression that it would be 462 00:35:16,848 --> 00:35:20,117 Some sort of research lab with state-of-the-art equipment 463 00:35:20,319 --> 00:35:22,519 And people going around 464 00:35:22,721 --> 00:35:24,855 And doing advanced scientific research, 465 00:35:25,023 --> 00:35:28,325 But it was the kind of lab you'd go to get a blood test. 466 00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:34,097 And dr. Harvey greeted me at the door. 467 00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:36,099 I think we both were a little nervous, 468 00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:40,337 And took me back through the lab to his office, 469 00:35:40,472 --> 00:35:46,042 Which was sort of a glass enclosure towards the back of the building, 470 00:35:46,245 --> 00:35:50,113 And we sat in his office and began to talk. 471 00:35:52,217 --> 00:35:57,654 He was definitely nervous about talking about this and feeling, 472 00:35:57,856 --> 00:36:01,391 You know, almost as if there had been some other ear 473 00:36:01,526 --> 00:36:03,860 In the room that was listening 474 00:36:03,995 --> 00:36:06,096 With a voice saying, "no, no, no, no, 475 00:36:06,264 --> 00:36:07,731 You shouldn't be talking about this." 476 00:36:10,135 --> 00:36:14,271 And I'm listening to this and taking it in. 477 00:36:14,406 --> 00:36:17,073 I'm realizing I'm hearing things that haven't been said 478 00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:19,009 For over 20 years, 479 00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:20,777 But on the other hand I'm wondering, 480 00:36:20,912 --> 00:36:24,047 "where's the brain?" so I keep pressing him on this, 481 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:27,684 And finally. I get frustrated and say, "don't you even have 482 00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:29,886 Like a photograph of einstein's brain? 483 00:36:30,088 --> 00:36:32,088 Anything I could look at?" 'cause I'm thinking 484 00:36:32,224 --> 00:36:35,091 My whole mission might be going to naught. 485 00:36:35,227 --> 00:36:39,162 He said, "well, I do have some of the gross matter here." 486 00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:41,464 What? 487 00:36:44,068 --> 00:36:47,837 So, I better describe what this room was like. 488 00:36:49,674 --> 00:36:55,579 I'm sitting in a chair and behind me are some cardboard boxes, 489 00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:59,015 And there's kind of like a red cooler off to the side. 490 00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:06,256 So he gets up from his desk without a word 491 00:37:06,391 --> 00:37:09,092 And walks, kind of like cuts in front of me, 492 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:11,261 Kind of where the cooler is, and I'm wondering, 493 00:37:11,463 --> 00:37:13,530 Is einstein's brain in a beer cooler?! 494 00:37:13,732 --> 00:37:16,800 But no, he keeps walking and he goes to the cardboard box 495 00:37:17,002 --> 00:37:21,171 Behind me. I look at it and it has a legend on the box. 496 00:37:21,339 --> 00:37:22,706 "costa cider." 497 00:37:23,441 --> 00:37:26,276 And there's like stuff inside 498 00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:29,913 And he goes up and there's kind of yellowed masking tape 499 00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:35,452 Around the thing and he said, "well, this is the cerebellum, 500 00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:38,822 And these are aortic vessels." 501 00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:43,493 And I'm looking at it. It's definitely brain-like stuff, 502 00:37:43,628 --> 00:37:47,731 And it is einstein's brain. I'm looking at it right then! 503 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,801 And before I could even collect myself, he goes 504 00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:54,671 And gets this other jar, and there's these things, 505 00:37:54,806 --> 00:37:57,274 They look like goldenberg's peanut chews, 506 00:37:57,476 --> 00:38:01,144 Which are these candies in the philadelphia area, maybe about this big. 507 00:38:01,312 --> 00:38:04,214 And he said, "well, these are the sectioned parts 508 00:38:04,416 --> 00:38:06,883 Of the brain." and each one was labelled with a number 509 00:38:07,051 --> 00:38:09,352 That described where it was in his brain. 510 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,989 And there it was! Einstein's brain! 511 00:38:18,429 --> 00:38:23,366 So, at first, I was stunned that it was really there, 512 00:38:23,501 --> 00:38:26,136 My mission was accomplished. 513 00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:30,307 And then I realized that... 514 00:38:30,441 --> 00:38:35,045 Why people were so fascinated with this, because there it was, 515 00:38:35,179 --> 00:38:39,683 The physical... Source 516 00:38:39,885 --> 00:38:44,954 Of these theories and discoveries 517 00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:47,557 That literally changed our world. 518 00:38:47,692 --> 00:38:50,593 You know, changed the way we perceive the world, 519 00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:55,498 The universe. And there was sort of a magic to it. 520 00:39:00,772 --> 00:39:03,440 The story was our August cover. 521 00:39:03,642 --> 00:39:05,709 And it caught fire. 522 00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:08,678 This was pre-internet, but at the time, 523 00:39:08,813 --> 00:39:10,313 Things could get picked up, 524 00:39:10,448 --> 00:39:12,115 You know, in a pony express kind of way. 525 00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:15,952 And you know, I spent two days doing one radio 526 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,053 Interview after another. 527 00:39:17,221 --> 00:39:19,356 - And now, ladies and gentlemen 528 00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:21,825 Here's... 529 00:39:21,993 --> 00:39:22,759 Johnny! 530 00:39:23,928 --> 00:39:25,528 - The apex was, johnny carson 531 00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:27,230 Made a joke about it. 532 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,734 - Now, here's an unusual item, I hope it doesn't turn you off 533 00:39:30,936 --> 00:39:32,135 Because it's kind of a scientific item, 534 00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:35,238 But portions of albert einstein's brain 535 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:38,708 Have turned up in a laboratory in wichita, kansas. 536 00:39:38,843 --> 00:39:40,243 Remains were found in a jar there... 537 00:39:43,781 --> 00:39:44,981 What really convinced 538 00:39:45,116 --> 00:39:46,616 The scientists in wichita, kansas, 539 00:39:46,751 --> 00:39:48,284 That it was einstein's brain, 540 00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:50,286 One morning, they came into the lab, 541 00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:53,723 And they saw the brain checking the greyhound schedule bus 542 00:39:53,858 --> 00:39:54,991 Leaving wichita. 543 00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:56,960 So they figured it was einstein. 544 00:39:58,363 --> 00:40:00,497 - I was watching the johnny carson show. 545 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:06,302 And he made reference to, um... 546 00:40:06,438 --> 00:40:09,072 Einstein's brain 547 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,908 Getting off a greyhound bus. 548 00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:13,576 In wichita, kansas. 549 00:40:15,012 --> 00:40:17,614 And of course, you know, it was just like... 550 00:40:17,748 --> 00:40:21,084 Oh my gosh, they followed us here. 551 00:40:22,653 --> 00:40:25,021 - Now, I shared the story with him, 552 00:40:25,189 --> 00:40:26,556 On the eve of publication. 553 00:40:26,724 --> 00:40:29,592 And I send him the advance copy as well. 554 00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:33,763 He was okay with the story. He felt it was fine. 555 00:40:34,866 --> 00:40:37,267 But then, the story came out, 556 00:40:37,402 --> 00:40:39,502 The news hit, 557 00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:41,971 The einstein estate was unhappy, 558 00:40:42,139 --> 00:40:45,809 And there were people camped out on his lawn wanting interviews. 559 00:40:45,944 --> 00:40:47,844 And his life was changed... 560 00:40:49,113 --> 00:40:51,548 Dramatically, because of that story, 561 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:53,883 Because the secret being public. 562 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,086 He wasn't too happy. 563 00:40:57,222 --> 00:40:59,088 And from that moment on, 564 00:40:59,224 --> 00:41:01,658 He was the person who had einstein's brain. 565 00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:04,394 Even worse, he was the person who had einstein's brain 566 00:41:04,529 --> 00:41:06,696 Who had a lot of questions to answer about it. 567 00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:10,066 - Dear dr. Harvey, 568 00:41:10,234 --> 00:41:14,003 I'm writing you to renew our acquaintance of almost 27 years, 569 00:41:14,171 --> 00:41:18,241 But also to inquire about your present intention to describe 570 00:41:18,376 --> 00:41:20,610 And publish your work on einstein's brain. 571 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:23,913 - It's like this homework assignment, 572 00:41:24,115 --> 00:41:26,082 One of those nightmares you have. 573 00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:28,451 You have this long-standing, important assignment 574 00:41:28,586 --> 00:41:30,186 That you haven't completed. 575 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,422 For decades, this poor man 576 00:41:32,557 --> 00:41:35,892 Had not been able to complete his assignment. 577 00:41:36,027 --> 00:41:39,262 - So, steve levy writes his article 578 00:41:39,397 --> 00:41:41,130 And it makes a big splash. 579 00:41:41,299 --> 00:41:43,366 And you know, it seemed like 580 00:41:43,534 --> 00:41:46,636 The whole world had forgotten about einstein's brain. 581 00:41:47,705 --> 00:41:52,609 And science, which is one of the leading science journals, 582 00:41:52,811 --> 00:41:55,111 In the world, actually, and based in the united states, 583 00:41:55,246 --> 00:41:58,281 They actually feature a picture from levy's article 584 00:41:58,483 --> 00:42:00,250 Of the brain in the cider box. 585 00:42:00,918 --> 00:42:05,588 And someone in the lab of marian diamond at berkeley 586 00:42:05,723 --> 00:42:09,359 Cuts it out and pins it up on the bulletin board in the lab. 587 00:42:10,261 --> 00:42:15,098 And marian diamond is this, you know, dynamo maverick, 588 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:17,834 Brain researcher, at the time, 589 00:42:18,036 --> 00:42:20,203 Who was really ahead of her time. 590 00:42:20,905 --> 00:42:23,773 She was doing all kinds of studies proving 591 00:42:23,908 --> 00:42:25,642 That we are born with a brain, 592 00:42:25,777 --> 00:42:28,945 But that the brain can change, depending on our environment. 593 00:42:29,848 --> 00:42:32,348 She was showing that there was a kind of brain cell 594 00:42:32,516 --> 00:42:33,783 Called the glial cell, 595 00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:36,019 Which is like a nursemaid to neurons, 596 00:42:36,153 --> 00:42:38,788 And the more of them you have, the better your neurons work. 597 00:42:38,923 --> 00:42:41,524 So this is how a brain could grow. 598 00:42:42,193 --> 00:42:43,860 So she's doing this kind of work, 599 00:42:43,995 --> 00:42:46,029 And it's in this environment that she looks over 600 00:42:46,197 --> 00:42:49,432 At her bulletin board and she sees this picture 601 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,200 From the magazine 602 00:42:51,336 --> 00:42:53,336 Of einstein's brain in a cider box. 603 00:42:53,471 --> 00:42:57,307 And she think, "hmm, I wonder how many glial cells he had." 604 00:42:57,441 --> 00:43:00,176 And she thinks, "okay, how do I get that?" 605 00:43:00,311 --> 00:43:03,813 And this then takes her onto the rabbit chase 606 00:43:04,015 --> 00:43:05,882 Of finding tom harvey. 607 00:43:35,647 --> 00:43:38,414 - He always wanted to be a family doctor. 608 00:43:38,582 --> 00:43:40,950 But he was a pathologist his whole life. 609 00:43:41,085 --> 00:43:43,886 So here he was in his 70s, 610 00:43:44,055 --> 00:43:46,956 Becoming a family doctor for the first time. 611 00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:50,560 Everybody called him "doc". 612 00:43:52,263 --> 00:43:55,365 If somebody didn't have money to be treated, 613 00:43:55,533 --> 00:43:56,799 He treated them anyway. 614 00:43:57,001 --> 00:44:00,036 If they'd bake him a loaf of bread, and we were even. 615 00:44:00,204 --> 00:44:02,105 He made house calls. 616 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,607 He was "that" person. 617 00:44:04,742 --> 00:44:08,945 He genuinely cares about people. 618 00:44:14,452 --> 00:44:17,620 - When I first met dr. Tom harvey, 619 00:44:17,822 --> 00:44:20,423 The first week I worked for him, 620 00:44:21,926 --> 00:44:23,693 The telephone rang. 621 00:44:23,895 --> 00:44:25,762 The man on the other line said, 622 00:44:25,897 --> 00:44:28,431 "could I speak to dr. Thomas harvey?" 623 00:44:28,633 --> 00:44:30,133 And I said, "who's calling, please?" 624 00:44:30,267 --> 00:44:32,835 And he said, "david hartman from good morning america." 625 00:44:33,571 --> 00:44:36,973 Young girl in her 20s, I got really excited. 626 00:44:37,108 --> 00:44:39,308 Jumped up, ran to doctor's office. 627 00:44:39,444 --> 00:44:41,244 He said, "oh, you take care of it. 628 00:44:41,446 --> 00:44:43,079 And don't tell him anything." 629 00:44:44,349 --> 00:44:46,049 We were busy. We were busy 630 00:44:46,251 --> 00:44:49,852 Taking care of everyday life, for people. 631 00:44:49,987 --> 00:44:51,521 Keeping them healthy, 632 00:44:51,723 --> 00:44:54,824 Treating emergencies, making house calls. 633 00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:56,659 I think he was really happy. 634 00:44:56,861 --> 00:44:59,128 He loved what he was doing. 635 00:45:00,732 --> 00:45:03,166 He did other things in his life: 636 00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:04,901 Working emergency rooms, 637 00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:09,305 To try to support his family and his lifestyle. 638 00:45:11,342 --> 00:45:14,243 - As somebody who had gone to medical school, 639 00:45:14,411 --> 00:45:15,978 You know, in the '30s, 640 00:45:16,113 --> 00:45:18,781 And then, had done a general pathology residency, I mean, 641 00:45:18,949 --> 00:45:20,583 Sure, you understand what the heart does 642 00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:22,518 And what the kidneys do, but that's something else 643 00:45:22,653 --> 00:45:25,154 If somebody comes in with a urinary tract infection. 644 00:45:25,289 --> 00:45:27,123 You haven't spent several years 645 00:45:27,291 --> 00:45:29,492 Learning the ropes of practicing medicine. 646 00:45:29,627 --> 00:45:31,461 So he did that for a while. 647 00:45:32,763 --> 00:45:35,198 - I guess there was a complaint against him, 648 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,134 At the time, and he was in his mid-70s. 649 00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:41,170 And so, this complaint results in a hearing, 650 00:45:41,305 --> 00:45:43,005 And I think there's a realization that, 651 00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:45,441 "whoa, this doctor is like in his mid-70s. 652 00:45:45,643 --> 00:45:49,212 I think you better take your state licensing exam again." 653 00:45:50,447 --> 00:45:52,148 - He actually had to... 654 00:45:52,283 --> 00:45:55,518 Sit for the boarding exams somewhere in the midwest. 655 00:45:56,788 --> 00:45:59,489 I don't know, at that point, what is he? He's in his 80s? 656 00:45:59,623 --> 00:46:03,126 And those exams are very challenging. 657 00:46:03,261 --> 00:46:04,494 And I think he came close, 658 00:46:04,662 --> 00:46:07,330 But he couldn't get relicensed for that. 659 00:46:08,566 --> 00:46:11,434 - They said he diagnosed them incorrectly. 660 00:46:12,737 --> 00:46:14,670 And when... 661 00:46:14,806 --> 00:46:17,340 And when he had to give his license back... 662 00:46:17,542 --> 00:46:21,344 Oh! The diagnosis was correct! 663 00:46:21,912 --> 00:46:24,447 He did not misdiagnose anybody. 664 00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:28,117 Just conclusions were jumped to. 665 00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:30,753 And because that doctor didn't agree with the way 666 00:46:30,955 --> 00:46:34,090 He was being treated, the diagnosis... 667 00:46:34,225 --> 00:46:36,092 Automatically thought it was wrong. 668 00:46:36,761 --> 00:46:38,161 But it wasn't. 669 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:39,562 I wasn't there. 670 00:46:39,697 --> 00:46:42,832 I don't remember exactly what he gave this patient. 671 00:46:44,168 --> 00:46:46,269 But it was the right treatment. 672 00:46:51,576 --> 00:46:52,909 - As the story goes, 673 00:46:53,044 --> 00:46:54,644 That's when otto nathan writes harvey 674 00:46:54,778 --> 00:46:57,113 And indignant letter saying, 675 00:46:57,315 --> 00:46:59,048 "you've had the brain for quite some time. 676 00:46:59,216 --> 00:47:00,750 Why are you not publishing?" 677 00:47:02,186 --> 00:47:05,888 So, clearly, the expectation was harvey should keep the brain 678 00:47:06,023 --> 00:47:08,491 For scholarly study, 679 00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:12,795 And if anything, he was getting berated for not doing enough. 680 00:47:14,065 --> 00:47:17,300 - Tom harvey's getting a lot of pressure from otto nathan 681 00:47:17,434 --> 00:47:19,569 In the letters, saying, "hey! 682 00:47:19,737 --> 00:47:22,238 I've seen this article in new jersey monthly. 683 00:47:22,373 --> 00:47:24,040 I'm really not so happy 684 00:47:24,174 --> 00:47:26,108 That the brain is in a costa cider box, 685 00:47:26,277 --> 00:47:29,312 And it's being compared to some kind of candy chews. 686 00:47:29,446 --> 00:47:30,913 And what the heck?! 687 00:47:31,081 --> 00:47:32,248 Like, where's the study already?" 688 00:47:32,416 --> 00:47:35,017 And so, what happens is tom's like, 689 00:47:35,219 --> 00:47:37,787 So delighted to hear from marian diamond 690 00:47:37,922 --> 00:47:39,989 Who's, you know, this maverick researcher 691 00:47:40,124 --> 00:47:42,992 That he immediately goes to his jars 692 00:47:43,127 --> 00:47:46,596 And fishes out four pieces of einstein's brain, 693 00:47:46,764 --> 00:47:48,297 And... 694 00:47:48,499 --> 00:47:52,301 Puts them in a mayonnaise jar and they arrive at berkeley. 695 00:47:55,139 --> 00:47:59,108 Then, she begins this really, really tedious study 696 00:47:59,243 --> 00:48:03,446 Of counting the glial cells einstein had per neuron, 697 00:48:03,648 --> 00:48:05,548 Compared to average brains. 698 00:48:06,984 --> 00:48:09,986 And she concludes that einstein had more 699 00:48:10,188 --> 00:48:14,323 Of these glial cells, generally, than other people. 700 00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:18,861 - So we had hypothesized, if we were dealing 701 00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:21,297 With one of the greatest brains that's ever lived 702 00:48:21,465 --> 00:48:23,933 That we should find more glial cells per neuron. 703 00:48:24,135 --> 00:48:26,135 And that's essentially what we did find. 704 00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:30,039 - In fact, dr. Diamond found 73% more glial cells 705 00:48:30,207 --> 00:48:31,474 Than average. 706 00:48:32,343 --> 00:48:34,710 - Of course, you know, she's not got a lot of genius 707 00:48:34,845 --> 00:48:36,345 Brains for comparison, 708 00:48:36,547 --> 00:48:39,382 And she publishes this in a friend's journal 709 00:48:39,516 --> 00:48:41,717 Because she's wanting to give her friend a boost, 710 00:48:41,885 --> 00:48:43,586 And it was called experimental neurology. 711 00:48:43,721 --> 00:48:45,554 So it comes out in the 1980s. 712 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:49,892 And you know, she's really hopeful that it will be, um, 713 00:48:50,027 --> 00:48:51,494 You know, something that will help bring 714 00:48:51,696 --> 00:48:54,697 More attention to her work and that it would boost 715 00:48:54,832 --> 00:48:56,299 The journal and so on... 716 00:48:56,434 --> 00:49:00,569 And instead, it's met with some pretty fierce criticism. 717 00:49:02,707 --> 00:49:07,043 And in fact, a lot of people used her study as an example 718 00:49:07,177 --> 00:49:08,978 Of not good science, of bad science. 719 00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:11,280 There was one researcher who even used to post 720 00:49:11,415 --> 00:49:13,849 A slide in his powerpoints as a kind of joke 721 00:49:14,052 --> 00:49:15,551 To break the ice. 722 00:49:18,088 --> 00:49:21,123 So came the very first sort of public suggestions 723 00:49:21,325 --> 00:49:24,727 That scientists who were interested in studying 724 00:49:24,862 --> 00:49:28,564 This brain were more seduced by the idea of celebrity, 725 00:49:28,732 --> 00:49:31,801 Less by the idea of doing serious science. 726 00:49:35,473 --> 00:49:40,910 - Some of them were interested for purely scientific reasons. 727 00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:44,613 And they had valid... 728 00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:49,585 Issues about whether they could continue with... 729 00:49:49,753 --> 00:49:51,988 A certain line of research or not. 730 00:49:52,122 --> 00:49:54,724 But still fascinates people... 731 00:49:56,494 --> 00:49:58,928 ...On multiple levels, you know. 732 00:49:59,063 --> 00:50:00,329 And... 733 00:50:01,032 --> 00:50:02,565 I don't know. 734 00:50:02,767 --> 00:50:04,900 I guess... 735 00:50:05,702 --> 00:50:07,636 Even if they had some of the brain, 736 00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:12,441 You know, what can you ascertain from one sample? 737 00:50:13,243 --> 00:50:15,478 How important could that be? 738 00:50:20,051 --> 00:50:23,719 - When he was in weston, he was married to rachelle. 739 00:50:23,887 --> 00:50:25,921 That was his third wife. 740 00:50:26,124 --> 00:50:29,558 But he worked almost 24-7. 741 00:50:31,295 --> 00:50:34,196 He would leave the clinic and go to ers to work. 742 00:50:34,331 --> 00:50:35,798 He worked at the prison, 743 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,467 He just... That was his life, was to work. 744 00:50:38,669 --> 00:50:41,904 So I imagine it was a lonely life for her. 745 00:50:44,108 --> 00:50:46,876 I later found out that they divorced, 746 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:49,945 After he lost his license. 747 00:51:03,527 --> 00:51:08,898 - When I met tom, he was working second shift at e & e. 748 00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:12,001 It's kind of inherently dangerous work. 749 00:51:13,838 --> 00:51:15,938 During the time I worked at e & e, 750 00:51:16,073 --> 00:51:19,842 I watched a young woman cut her index finger off. 751 00:51:21,512 --> 00:51:25,614 I was 20 feet away when actually a very good friend of mine 752 00:51:25,749 --> 00:51:27,716 Used a radial saw and kind of 753 00:51:27,852 --> 00:51:30,119 Sliced down the middle of his finger this way. 754 00:51:30,321 --> 00:51:32,588 I mean, there... Yes, there were plenty 755 00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:33,923 Of accidents all the time. 756 00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:40,696 - By the time tom is, you know, at an age when most people 757 00:51:40,864 --> 00:51:42,598 Would be thinking about retiring 758 00:51:42,733 --> 00:51:44,333 And putting their feet up and so on, 759 00:51:44,501 --> 00:51:46,135 He is, you know, 760 00:51:46,270 --> 00:51:49,505 Working flat out at a plastics factory. 761 00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:57,246 - He was working on the back of a machine called an extruder. 762 00:51:57,414 --> 00:52:00,783 An extruder is kind of like a play-doh hair factory. 763 00:52:00,951 --> 00:52:03,119 I don't know if you had one of those when you were a kid, 764 00:52:03,321 --> 00:52:05,321 But you cram all the play-doh in here, 765 00:52:05,455 --> 00:52:08,491 And then you use this lever and you crank down on it 766 00:52:08,659 --> 00:52:10,960 And it comes out over here. 767 00:52:11,095 --> 00:52:12,962 You can make it into certain shapes. 768 00:52:13,164 --> 00:52:15,331 You can put the star attachment on 769 00:52:15,465 --> 00:52:18,100 And it comes out as a cross-sectional star, 770 00:52:18,235 --> 00:52:20,336 Or a tube, or whatever you wanna do. 771 00:52:20,504 --> 00:52:22,838 That's essentially what an extruder is. 772 00:52:24,375 --> 00:52:28,611 And so, tom's job was, he was on the back-end of the thing 773 00:52:28,813 --> 00:52:32,848 Taking off this long extrusion and cutting it to size. 774 00:52:33,050 --> 00:52:35,351 So for 8 to 10 hours a day, 775 00:52:35,485 --> 00:52:37,820 Tom would pull a part off the extruder, 776 00:52:37,988 --> 00:52:40,623 Wait for an automatic saw to cut it roughly, 777 00:52:40,791 --> 00:52:43,492 And then, he would put it in a jig and use a radial saw, 778 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:45,628 Cut one in, put it in the other end, 779 00:52:45,762 --> 00:52:47,463 And cut the other end. 780 00:52:47,665 --> 00:52:49,465 Can you believe that? 781 00:52:50,801 --> 00:52:54,370 Tom was a little bit of a misfit, initially. 782 00:52:55,406 --> 00:52:59,175 Eventually, tom became very well liked. 783 00:53:01,612 --> 00:53:04,713 Every month, we would pick an employee of the month. 784 00:53:04,848 --> 00:53:06,482 And I couldn't even begin 785 00:53:06,684 --> 00:53:08,450 To tell you what month or what year it was, 786 00:53:08,619 --> 00:53:11,787 But tom was selected as an employee of the month. 787 00:53:11,989 --> 00:53:14,790 And it was a pretty big deal. You got a parking spot 788 00:53:14,925 --> 00:53:16,525 Right out in front of the building 789 00:53:16,693 --> 00:53:19,161 And you got like a plaque, and then there was a thing 790 00:53:19,363 --> 00:53:22,131 In the break room that your name went on for, 791 00:53:22,299 --> 00:53:24,200 You know, perpetuity, or at least until the company 792 00:53:24,402 --> 00:53:25,834 Goes out of business. 793 00:53:30,174 --> 00:53:32,241 - Well, I was a poor phd student. 794 00:53:32,409 --> 00:53:35,978 And it struck me that he was a man of moderate means as well. 795 00:53:36,113 --> 00:53:38,180 That seemed like a perfect match. 796 00:53:38,315 --> 00:53:40,249 And before we knew it, we had moved in. 797 00:53:41,485 --> 00:53:45,187 He moved in these enormous wooden shelves, bookshelves, 798 00:53:45,389 --> 00:53:48,824 And filled the dining room wall with bookshelves. 799 00:53:48,959 --> 00:53:50,492 And what followed soon afterwards 800 00:53:50,661 --> 00:53:54,430 Were piles of books and papers, and a mysterious jar. 801 00:53:55,466 --> 00:53:57,766 And then, it all came out. 802 00:53:57,934 --> 00:53:59,902 And I suddenly realized that I was probably 803 00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:02,538 One of the very few physics students in history 804 00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:05,474 That were living with the god of physics' brain. 805 00:54:07,544 --> 00:54:11,080 It did suddenly appear one day on the dining room table. 806 00:54:11,215 --> 00:54:12,715 And he would sit there with the jar 807 00:54:12,849 --> 00:54:14,583 Right next to his breakfast. 808 00:54:17,854 --> 00:54:19,288 Like, can't imagine anybody 809 00:54:19,423 --> 00:54:21,757 Would dream of such thing in their wildest dreams. 810 00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:30,132 - As quakers, we tried to be sort of quiet. 811 00:54:31,502 --> 00:54:35,004 I thought of tom as just this quiet elderly man 812 00:54:35,172 --> 00:54:38,574 Who rode a bicycle and who was kind and... 813 00:54:39,844 --> 00:54:44,346 Pleasant to be around, quiet, he didn't say much. 814 00:54:44,849 --> 00:54:48,517 So I was... I was really surprised, as time went on, 815 00:54:48,652 --> 00:54:51,120 When I found out more about his past. 816 00:54:53,724 --> 00:54:57,192 - We often had parties together and he was a real party animal. 817 00:54:58,028 --> 00:55:01,130 He was a lot of fun. He could mix with any age group. 818 00:55:01,332 --> 00:55:03,732 He could mix with any social class. 819 00:55:03,934 --> 00:55:05,734 He was a real quaker in that respect, 820 00:55:05,936 --> 00:55:07,236 And he brought it to the party. 821 00:55:07,404 --> 00:55:09,171 Nothing like a quaker at a party. 822 00:55:10,073 --> 00:55:11,874 He could drink people under the table. 823 00:55:12,009 --> 00:55:15,010 He could laugh and joke with anyone. 824 00:55:15,212 --> 00:55:16,879 He was fabulous to have around. 825 00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:21,150 - Tom did seem a bit mysterious to me. 826 00:55:21,752 --> 00:55:23,686 Here was this older man who rode a bicycle 827 00:55:23,821 --> 00:55:25,521 And worked at a plastics plant 828 00:55:25,689 --> 00:55:28,290 Who'd been a chief pathologist at princeton hospital. 829 00:55:28,492 --> 00:55:32,227 And it kind of didn't seem to fit real well. 830 00:55:34,465 --> 00:55:38,634 And then, I learned that not only had he done 831 00:55:38,836 --> 00:55:40,703 The autopsy on einstein, 832 00:55:40,905 --> 00:55:44,106 But that he possessed einstein's brain. 833 00:55:44,308 --> 00:55:47,276 - I did not understand how that... 834 00:55:47,411 --> 00:55:49,178 How having a dissected brain 835 00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:52,114 Could further our understanding of brains. 836 00:55:52,316 --> 00:55:53,849 So as a scientist, 837 00:55:54,051 --> 00:55:56,118 I struggled to understand 838 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,221 How having one sample could lead you 839 00:55:59,389 --> 00:56:01,724 To a theory of... 840 00:56:01,926 --> 00:56:03,192 The brain. 841 00:56:04,928 --> 00:56:07,062 - When I saw the brain, 842 00:56:07,264 --> 00:56:08,697 I was sort of unimpressed 843 00:56:08,832 --> 00:56:11,333 Because, again, I was expecting to see the whole brain. 844 00:56:11,468 --> 00:56:13,836 And I just saw this little piece of it. 845 00:56:14,038 --> 00:56:16,238 And so, it was like, oh, it was not quite 846 00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:18,240 As impressive as I expected. 847 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:21,477 I don't know what I was expecting, actually. 848 00:56:21,612 --> 00:56:23,078 I guess when you think of einstein's brain, 849 00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:24,913 You think of something really marvelous, 850 00:56:25,081 --> 00:56:26,915 Like you've never seen before. 851 00:56:27,083 --> 00:56:30,886 And it was just like a specimen in a specimen jar. 852 00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:38,093 - One of the things that everybody loved about tom, 853 00:56:38,228 --> 00:56:41,363 The guy never missed work. I mean, never missed work. 854 00:56:41,498 --> 00:56:42,831 So... 855 00:56:43,033 --> 00:56:45,200 One day, I got a call telling me that tom 856 00:56:45,368 --> 00:56:47,536 Was not going to be at work that day. 857 00:56:47,704 --> 00:56:51,774 And I was told that he was in a bicycle accident. 858 00:56:54,344 --> 00:56:58,080 He was hit, while on his bike, was hit by a car 859 00:56:58,248 --> 00:57:01,016 That was driven by a woman who... 860 00:57:01,151 --> 00:57:04,787 Oh, by the way, at the time, he was 79 or 80. 861 00:57:04,989 --> 00:57:07,456 And she was one year older than tom, 862 00:57:07,591 --> 00:57:09,057 If you can imagine that. 863 00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:10,526 So I've always kind of suspected 864 00:57:10,728 --> 00:57:12,594 That if guinness book of world records 865 00:57:12,796 --> 00:57:16,598 Ever had a category for "bike v. Car 866 00:57:16,733 --> 00:57:18,367 Accident combined age," 867 00:57:18,535 --> 00:57:20,469 There's not doubt in my mind that they would be 868 00:57:20,671 --> 00:57:22,137 In the running for that one. 869 00:57:25,409 --> 00:57:27,776 When tom did come back to the line 870 00:57:27,944 --> 00:57:29,478 After the bicycle accident, 871 00:57:29,613 --> 00:57:33,916 I don't think I ever saw him move without pain, 872 00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:37,019 In the same way that I did before the accident. 873 00:57:38,722 --> 00:57:40,622 He lost a little bit of strength, 874 00:57:40,757 --> 00:57:44,493 And he was noticeably less agile. 875 00:57:44,695 --> 00:57:48,397 I think he always moved really well, um... 876 00:57:48,565 --> 00:57:53,836 And I think he just couldn't be quite as pain-free after that. 877 00:57:55,072 --> 00:57:56,839 - Whenever he came back from the factory, 878 00:57:57,007 --> 00:57:59,141 He was clearly exhausted. 879 00:57:59,276 --> 00:58:03,312 He was ashen with just... 880 00:58:03,514 --> 00:58:05,414 You know, mind-numbing exhaustion. 881 00:58:05,616 --> 00:58:09,952 And it broke my heart to see somebody of his age, 882 00:58:10,086 --> 00:58:12,588 And of his incredible abilities, 883 00:58:12,723 --> 00:58:14,423 Working away at this kind of work. 884 00:58:17,261 --> 00:58:20,929 - He could have somehow profited personally 885 00:58:21,097 --> 00:58:24,433 From his role as the keeper of einstein's brain, 886 00:58:24,601 --> 00:58:26,335 But he never did. 887 00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:28,136 So he would turn down 888 00:58:28,272 --> 00:58:32,508 Big money offer interviews from various media and tv shows. 889 00:58:32,676 --> 00:58:35,410 And yet, he would show the brain to, you know, 890 00:58:35,613 --> 00:58:38,814 Sort of the rotary club members or high school students 891 00:58:39,016 --> 00:58:41,383 Or, you know, fellow quakers. 892 00:58:41,551 --> 00:58:44,486 Or he wouldn't sell the brain. He had offer, you know. 893 00:58:44,621 --> 00:58:46,355 People wanted to buy the brain, and so on. 894 00:58:46,557 --> 00:58:50,292 But he would instead work like, three, four, five jobs 895 00:58:50,494 --> 00:58:53,462 To make ends meet before he thought about, you know, 896 00:58:53,597 --> 00:58:55,264 Taking any money for the brain. 897 00:58:56,834 --> 00:58:59,701 But at the same time, he got so busy living 898 00:58:59,903 --> 00:59:03,672 That einstein's brain was this thing on his to-do list 899 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,844 That slipped further and further down the list. 900 00:59:23,627 --> 00:59:25,427 - Long trip from japan, huh? - Yeah. 901 00:59:25,562 --> 00:59:26,895 - Very long. 902 00:59:27,798 --> 00:59:30,032 So what is the purpose of your visit here? 903 00:59:30,166 --> 00:59:33,502 - I'm looking for einstein's brain. 904 00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:34,636 - Okay. 905 00:59:36,206 --> 00:59:38,173 - A couple years later, there was a documentary 906 00:59:38,341 --> 00:59:39,741 That some guy did. 907 00:59:40,811 --> 00:59:42,544 - Dr. Harvey's house 908 00:59:42,746 --> 00:59:45,414 Is just on the other side of the creek. 909 00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:48,383 - This physicist from japan 910 00:59:48,551 --> 00:59:50,519 Was really very interested in einstein. 911 00:59:50,687 --> 00:59:52,921 And harvey clearly liked him. It was in kansas. 912 01:00:01,331 --> 01:00:04,733 Oh! Wow! 913 01:00:12,475 --> 01:00:13,575 oh! 914 01:00:13,777 --> 01:00:15,777 - His brain has been sectioned. 915 01:00:15,979 --> 01:00:18,780 - Oh! - Cut into many pieces. 916 01:00:18,982 --> 01:00:20,916 As you see. 917 01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:31,259 - Possible please give me... 918 01:00:32,562 --> 01:00:35,964 From photo, one piece of einstein's brain? 919 01:00:37,734 --> 01:00:39,901 - And he says, "could I have a piece of the brain?" 920 01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:41,436 And harvey... 921 01:00:41,571 --> 01:00:43,005 Harvey grabs his mayonnaise jars 922 01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:44,606 And cuts off a little bit of the cerebellum 923 01:00:44,774 --> 01:00:46,508 With a kitchen knife. I know he had a better knife. 924 01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:48,677 I think he had a pathology knife. 925 01:00:48,879 --> 01:00:49,945 And gave him a bit. 926 01:00:50,113 --> 01:00:52,781 - Let me get this knife and... 927 01:00:52,916 --> 01:00:54,850 Cutting board. 928 01:01:05,496 --> 01:01:07,062 Okay... 929 01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:11,199 - And slowly, it took on some circus-like aspects 930 01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:13,035 That were exactly the nightmare... 931 01:01:13,170 --> 01:01:16,204 - This is brain stem and cerebellum. 932 01:01:16,372 --> 01:01:19,307 - ...That the einstein estate, 933 01:01:19,443 --> 01:01:21,543 And einstein himself I guess, 934 01:01:21,745 --> 01:01:23,545 Would never want to see. 935 01:01:24,414 --> 01:01:27,149 - Oh, thank you for this, sir. - You're welcome. 936 01:01:30,454 --> 01:01:34,222 - Later on, it took on, you know, kind of crazy aspects, 937 01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:39,194 Maybe culminating in this one trip some guy wrote a book about 938 01:01:39,329 --> 01:01:41,830 Going cross-country with einstein's brain. 939 01:01:52,276 --> 01:01:55,077 I think it's driving mr. Albert by paterniti 940 01:01:55,212 --> 01:01:56,645 Which was a great read, 941 01:01:56,780 --> 01:01:59,147 But it really didn't do 942 01:01:59,349 --> 01:02:00,949 Anything great for thomas harvey. 943 01:02:03,386 --> 01:02:07,556 Paterniti, you know, went cross-country with a brain, 944 01:02:07,758 --> 01:02:10,225 With harvey and sort of portrayed him as, 945 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,260 I don't even know how he portrayed him. 946 01:02:13,497 --> 01:02:16,398 He got down to wichita and he introduced him 947 01:02:16,566 --> 01:02:19,568 To william burroughs of naked lunch fame. 948 01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:21,603 And william burroughs... 949 01:02:21,738 --> 01:02:24,206 Harvey, who was this very, to me, 950 01:02:24,340 --> 01:02:27,442 Scholarly quaker quiet guy, 951 01:02:27,577 --> 01:02:32,080 And burroughs is saying, "what's your addiction, doctor?" 952 01:02:32,248 --> 01:02:34,416 So that's in the book, and... I mean, 953 01:02:34,584 --> 01:02:37,185 Those kind of things which make for a very diverting reading, 954 01:02:37,387 --> 01:02:40,422 I don't think the family was terribly thrilled with it. 955 01:02:44,995 --> 01:02:46,795 - And dr. Harvey, at that point, 956 01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:50,832 Didn't seem really in possession of his own story, 957 01:02:50,967 --> 01:02:52,601 But was just going with it. 958 01:02:55,104 --> 01:02:57,305 Maybe at that point he just should've given it 959 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,575 To a research institution and passed it on 960 01:03:00,743 --> 01:03:04,746 Instead of having the brain loose out there 961 01:03:04,881 --> 01:03:06,748 And not under, you know, 962 01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:11,419 The protection of a scientific institute. 963 01:03:11,622 --> 01:03:14,122 And you know... 964 01:03:14,290 --> 01:03:15,791 Less of a spectacle. 965 01:03:20,597 --> 01:03:23,999 - Tom was quite unfairly portrayed in some media. 966 01:03:24,835 --> 01:03:27,435 I think there was the element of the sort of freak show 967 01:03:27,571 --> 01:03:30,305 About tom and his possession of the brain. 968 01:03:31,875 --> 01:03:34,276 By and large, journalists did not bother to find out 969 01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:37,412 That aspect. They immediately latched onto 970 01:03:37,547 --> 01:03:39,815 The circus element of it all. 971 01:03:40,017 --> 01:03:42,818 And almost abused it, in a way. 972 01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:46,388 And marketed it as a brand. 973 01:03:59,602 --> 01:04:01,002 - Einstein has a bobble head. 974 01:04:01,204 --> 01:04:02,871 There's been lots of movies about einstein. 975 01:04:03,006 --> 01:04:06,141 People have posters of einstein in their room. 976 01:04:06,276 --> 01:04:07,776 I remember watching a spiderman movie. 977 01:04:07,944 --> 01:04:09,311 And in the spiderman movie, 978 01:04:09,445 --> 01:04:12,948 There's a poster of einstein on peter parker's wall. 979 01:04:13,083 --> 01:04:17,552 One of the reasons is because, a: He personifies genius. 980 01:04:17,687 --> 01:04:21,990 And I think everybody, across race, religion, culture, 981 01:04:22,158 --> 01:04:25,160 Republican, democrat, right, left, old, young. 982 01:04:25,362 --> 01:04:28,697 It doesn't matter. Everybody knows who einstein is. 983 01:04:33,603 --> 01:04:35,770 I live in the appalachian mountains, 984 01:04:35,973 --> 01:04:38,006 And you know, I wake up in the morning 985 01:04:38,141 --> 01:04:40,675 And get eggs from my chickens and then I boot up my computer, 986 01:04:40,843 --> 01:04:44,145 And to the world I am the digital avatar 987 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,781 Of albert einstein. It's pretty bananas. 988 01:04:51,188 --> 01:04:53,955 Believe it or not, einstein is one of the few 989 01:04:54,090 --> 01:04:57,425 Dead celebrities who has a presence on social media. 990 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,562 And he has 20 million followers 991 01:05:00,730 --> 01:05:04,065 On facebook, instagram and twitter. 992 01:05:04,267 --> 01:05:06,001 More than most living celebrities. 993 01:05:06,136 --> 01:05:08,203 More than tom hanks, more than jennifer aniston. 994 01:05:08,338 --> 01:05:10,171 And... Yeah! 995 01:05:11,308 --> 01:05:14,142 I get all sorts of interesting people try to direct message me 996 01:05:14,344 --> 01:05:15,644 On social media. 997 01:05:15,778 --> 01:05:17,779 I get teenagers in india 998 01:05:17,947 --> 01:05:19,781 Message me for help with their math homework. 999 01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:21,449 I get physicists in florida 1000 01:05:21,617 --> 01:05:24,586 Who want to show me their new scientific research paper. 1001 01:05:24,721 --> 01:05:28,056 As if I can weigh in on it in any meaningful way. 1002 01:05:28,224 --> 01:05:29,858 Well, I think you're missing a comma over there. 1003 01:05:29,993 --> 01:05:31,860 Or I think that equation is off. 1004 01:05:32,028 --> 01:05:33,461 I don't know what they're thinking. 1005 01:05:33,629 --> 01:05:35,263 Maybe they just want a response, a pat on the... 1006 01:05:35,431 --> 01:05:36,865 A virtual, digital pat on the shoulder 1007 01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:38,066 For their good work. 1008 01:05:41,705 --> 01:05:43,838 One of the first things I posted 1009 01:05:43,974 --> 01:05:46,274 When I took over the albert einstein social media account 1010 01:05:46,409 --> 01:05:48,576 Was the story about thomas harvey 1011 01:05:48,712 --> 01:05:51,479 Stealing einstein's brain in the morgue. 1012 01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:56,084 And it got one of the worst 1013 01:05:56,219 --> 01:05:59,487 Results ever on einstein's social media. 1014 01:05:59,622 --> 01:06:01,556 People did not want to hear it. 1015 01:06:01,691 --> 01:06:04,292 These were fans who look up to einstein, 1016 01:06:04,427 --> 01:06:05,894 He's a beloved character, 1017 01:06:06,029 --> 01:06:10,999 He's enshrined in their mind as this perfect totem of genius, 1018 01:06:11,134 --> 01:06:12,634 And... 1019 01:06:12,802 --> 01:06:15,136 To hear the story of thomas harvey 1020 01:06:15,338 --> 01:06:17,973 Violently taking the brain, 1021 01:06:18,141 --> 01:06:20,976 And the brain, and what it represents for einstein. 1022 01:06:21,144 --> 01:06:22,844 It's not like he took einstein's ear 1023 01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:24,446 Or a lock einstein's hair. 1024 01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:27,349 Einstein's brain is what he's famous for. 1025 01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:30,151 And this guy cracked open his head, 1026 01:06:30,353 --> 01:06:33,254 Grabbed the brain and stole it. 1027 01:06:33,423 --> 01:06:35,590 And when... Think about it. 1028 01:06:35,758 --> 01:06:37,292 Like, I wasn't thinking when I posted it... 1029 01:06:37,494 --> 01:06:39,427 Here's a fan page for albert einstein 1030 01:06:39,629 --> 01:06:41,763 With 20 million people who love albert einstein. 1031 01:06:41,965 --> 01:06:45,100 I should've known better how they were gonna respond. 1032 01:06:45,235 --> 01:06:46,501 It didn't get that many likes, 1033 01:06:46,636 --> 01:06:48,336 It got all these negative comments. 1034 01:06:48,471 --> 01:06:51,339 "what are you doing? We don't wanna hear about this." 1035 01:06:51,474 --> 01:06:53,508 Even the einstein archives themselves were like, 1036 01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:55,877 "could you please not post about thomas harvey so much?" 1037 01:06:56,012 --> 01:06:59,014 It's one of the few blemishes on einstein's legacy. 1038 01:07:52,368 --> 01:07:55,937 - I got the impression that he was profoundly embarrassed 1039 01:07:56,072 --> 01:07:59,040 That he had not produced the study. 1040 01:07:59,208 --> 01:08:01,242 He had sent it to many, many people. 1041 01:08:02,378 --> 01:08:06,114 And one could argue that at a certain point 1042 01:08:06,316 --> 01:08:10,852 He owed it to the einstein family, 1043 01:08:10,987 --> 01:08:13,855 To the public, maybe to einstein himself, 1044 01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:16,658 To come up with what he had at that moment. 1045 01:08:16,860 --> 01:08:20,829 And then, maybe throw it open for other scientists. 1046 01:08:26,803 --> 01:08:30,038 - There was a canadian researcher, sandra witelson, 1047 01:08:30,206 --> 01:08:32,474 Who had a very large collection of normal brains, 1048 01:08:32,676 --> 01:08:34,142 Which is, you know, highly unusual 1049 01:08:34,344 --> 01:08:36,444 And very precious in brain research. 1050 01:08:36,579 --> 01:08:40,348 And so, one day, she received a one-page fax 1051 01:08:40,483 --> 01:08:43,451 That came out of the blue into her office 1052 01:08:43,586 --> 01:08:45,854 That simply said, "would you like to study 1053 01:08:45,988 --> 01:08:48,356 The brain of albert einstein?" 1054 01:08:53,296 --> 01:08:54,762 Tom told me this story 1055 01:08:54,898 --> 01:08:58,166 Of having packed the brain into the trunk of his dodge. 1056 01:08:58,968 --> 01:09:03,338 And driving up to canada 1057 01:09:03,472 --> 01:09:06,574 And crossing at niagara falls at midnight. 1058 01:09:08,444 --> 01:09:10,678 And trying to declare 1059 01:09:10,846 --> 01:09:13,581 The brain of albert einstein at customs. 1060 01:09:13,783 --> 01:09:16,184 and the customs officers 1061 01:09:16,386 --> 01:09:17,986 Had said, you know, 1062 01:09:18,121 --> 01:09:19,487 "do you have anything to declare?" 1063 01:09:19,622 --> 01:09:21,022 He tells them what he has. 1064 01:09:21,224 --> 01:09:23,591 I suspect they did not believe him 1065 01:09:23,726 --> 01:09:27,562 Because he said they didn't ask to see it or anything. 1066 01:09:27,730 --> 01:09:29,264 So... 1067 01:09:30,132 --> 01:09:32,167 He just drove straight through 1068 01:09:32,301 --> 01:09:35,403 And he delivered a certain portion of the brain 1069 01:09:35,605 --> 01:09:37,872 To sandra witelson in hamilton. 1070 01:09:43,045 --> 01:09:45,146 You know, she describes holding it in her hands 1071 01:09:45,281 --> 01:09:47,949 And feeling a sense of awe. 1072 01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:51,786 You know, you think scientists are somehow immune 1073 01:09:51,921 --> 01:09:54,856 To the kind of mystical hocus-pocus 1074 01:09:55,024 --> 01:09:56,958 That goes around when we think about 1075 01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,561 The body parts of famous people, 1076 01:09:59,763 --> 01:10:01,663 But they're not. And I think that that's one 1077 01:10:01,797 --> 01:10:03,331 Of the interesting things about science, 1078 01:10:03,499 --> 01:10:06,201 Is that it tries to be objective, 1079 01:10:06,369 --> 01:10:11,105 It tries to transcend all of the other foibles 1080 01:10:11,241 --> 01:10:13,308 That mark the human condition. 1081 01:10:13,443 --> 01:10:16,811 But it can never because it's driven by people. 1082 01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:18,479 And we are all flawed. 1083 01:10:20,150 --> 01:10:23,117 - She wrote this paper about the exceptional brain 1084 01:10:23,253 --> 01:10:24,485 Of albert einstein. 1085 01:10:24,654 --> 01:10:27,455 And, I'm gonna do her a disservice, 1086 01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:31,125 But say that she really focused on the parietal lobe, 1087 01:10:31,328 --> 01:10:32,760 Albert einstein's parietal lobe 1088 01:10:32,895 --> 01:10:34,963 Which, when she studied the photographs, 1089 01:10:35,097 --> 01:10:39,067 She found anatomical anomalies. 1090 01:10:39,269 --> 01:10:41,236 - Neuroscientist sandra witelson 1091 01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:43,938 Has just finished peering into one of the greatest minds 1092 01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:46,040 Of the 20th century. 1093 01:10:46,208 --> 01:10:49,010 - The width of the brain, from left to right, 1094 01:10:49,212 --> 01:10:53,014 Was larger by 15 percent, in einstein's brain, 1095 01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:54,682 Compared to the control group. 1096 01:10:56,218 --> 01:10:57,952 - I remember her describing it at the time 1097 01:10:58,154 --> 01:11:00,622 And saying, to her, it was as obvious 1098 01:11:00,757 --> 01:11:04,525 As seeing eyebrows misplaced on the face. 1099 01:11:04,694 --> 01:11:08,129 And that's how different this one particular fissure 1100 01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:10,565 In einstein's brain was. 1101 01:11:11,167 --> 01:11:14,836 And it so happens that the regions of the brain 1102 01:11:15,038 --> 01:11:18,506 That this fissure separates generally in people 1103 01:11:18,708 --> 01:11:22,710 Are involved in mathematical and visual, spatial reasoning, 1104 01:11:22,912 --> 01:11:25,680 Which really correlates to the way einstein 1105 01:11:25,848 --> 01:11:28,850 Used to think, or describe his thinking, 1106 01:11:29,052 --> 01:11:31,352 Which he said, he didn't think in terms of numbers. 1107 01:11:31,487 --> 01:11:34,555 It wasn't math that he envisioned 1108 01:11:34,724 --> 01:11:39,093 When he conducted his thought experiments, 1109 01:11:39,228 --> 01:11:42,030 But rather he would actually see himself, 1110 01:11:42,198 --> 01:11:45,933 Be able to imagine himself riding on a beam of light. 1111 01:11:47,803 --> 01:11:51,539 So, you know, when sandra witelson completed her study, 1112 01:11:51,674 --> 01:11:54,075 She said, you know, maybe this explains 1113 01:11:54,277 --> 01:11:55,576 Why he thought in images, 1114 01:11:55,745 --> 01:12:00,381 Why he had such a fertile lab for a mind. 1115 01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:06,688 She felt that she had located, to some extent, 1116 01:12:06,823 --> 01:12:10,758 The source of what made his mind so extraordinary. 1117 01:12:17,366 --> 01:12:19,534 Then, after witelson's study, 1118 01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:22,603 Fred lepore and his research partner dean falk, 1119 01:12:22,772 --> 01:12:24,906 Came out with a big study of their own. 1120 01:12:25,108 --> 01:12:27,709 And I think tom would've felt vindicated for all the years 1121 01:12:27,843 --> 01:12:29,410 He kept the brain. 1122 01:12:29,578 --> 01:12:31,546 - Witelson just stopped at the parietal lobe. 1123 01:12:31,748 --> 01:12:33,815 But we found every lobe: 1124 01:12:34,017 --> 01:12:36,217 Frontal lobe, parietal lobe, 1125 01:12:36,385 --> 01:12:38,419 Occipital lobe, cingulate lobe... 1126 01:12:38,587 --> 01:12:40,221 Everything was different. 1127 01:12:40,423 --> 01:12:42,256 That is not standard issue, 1128 01:12:42,459 --> 01:12:43,624 That frontal lobe. 1129 01:12:43,793 --> 01:12:46,761 - So one more makes a big difference, okay, got it. 1130 01:12:48,131 --> 01:12:49,864 - Extraordinary, never-before-seen pictures 1131 01:12:49,999 --> 01:12:52,400 Of albert einstein's brain have just been revealed 1132 01:12:52,602 --> 01:12:55,169 And they could provide clues about how he came to be 1133 01:12:55,337 --> 01:12:57,572 One of the greatest geniuses of all-time. 1134 01:12:57,774 --> 01:13:00,908 - And now, people can study his brain in detail 1135 01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:02,577 Through modern technology. 1136 01:13:02,745 --> 01:13:06,481 There's an ipad app which has detailed three-dimensional 1137 01:13:06,683 --> 01:13:08,750 Images of einstein's brain. 1138 01:13:08,952 --> 01:13:10,284 - I wanna see that. 1139 01:14:09,412 --> 01:14:11,012 - I mean, he was no hero. 1140 01:14:11,214 --> 01:14:15,616 But I don't think he did anything with evil intentions. 1141 01:14:17,152 --> 01:14:19,454 - I'm sure he had regrets, we all have regrets. 1142 01:14:19,656 --> 01:14:22,723 But he was always about doing the right thing. 1143 01:14:23,893 --> 01:14:26,594 - I think history has been unfair to him. 1144 01:14:26,796 --> 01:14:29,730 He wanted to be thought of as a scientist. 1145 01:14:30,666 --> 01:14:35,136 - He didn't want to use the brain for fame's sake. 1146 01:14:35,271 --> 01:14:38,739 But he did hope that by doing right by the brain, 1147 01:14:38,874 --> 01:14:42,743 It would make him famous in a scientific sense. 1148 01:14:43,713 --> 01:14:46,681 He did not leave this earth a wealthy man. 1149 01:14:47,417 --> 01:14:51,919 But he left this earth with his integrity 1150 01:14:52,087 --> 01:14:54,589 And knowing he always did the best he could for people. 1151 01:14:56,492 --> 01:14:58,659 - I think it cost him a lot. 1152 01:14:58,794 --> 01:15:00,361 Would that same sequence of events, 1153 01:15:00,563 --> 01:15:02,530 Would he've had marriages that'd go south 1154 01:15:02,665 --> 01:15:04,031 Without einstein's brain, 1155 01:15:04,199 --> 01:15:06,734 Would they have kindly inclined to him as a part 1156 01:15:06,869 --> 01:15:08,269 Of the medical center of princeton? 1157 01:15:08,404 --> 01:15:09,804 We're never gonna know. 1158 01:15:11,207 --> 01:15:12,974 - I got interested in albert einstein 1159 01:15:13,142 --> 01:15:15,076 Because I was in college reading a book 1160 01:15:15,211 --> 01:15:16,744 That was like, "oh, my god, 1161 01:15:16,879 --> 01:15:19,413 Somebody stole einstein's brain." 1162 01:15:19,549 --> 01:15:22,350 And that story itself, if that story gets people 1163 01:15:22,552 --> 01:15:24,452 Interested in albert einstein, there's something positive 1164 01:15:24,587 --> 01:15:26,020 To be said about that. 1165 01:15:29,425 --> 01:15:30,958 - Do we know where the brain is now? 1166 01:15:31,093 --> 01:15:33,160 - No. No, you don't. 1167 01:15:33,363 --> 01:15:35,429 And you're not gonna find out. 1168 01:15:39,569 --> 01:15:41,435 If you call medical centre in princeton, they say, 1169 01:15:41,571 --> 01:15:43,971 "well, that's under the care of dr. X." 1170 01:15:47,176 --> 01:15:52,747 I don't blame dr. X about being concerned about publicity. 1171 01:16:03,592 --> 01:16:06,661 - These are the original jars that dr. Harvey 1172 01:16:06,863 --> 01:16:10,131 Placed all the brain parts in back in 1955 1173 01:16:10,333 --> 01:16:12,967 When he did the autopsy and dissected the brain. 1174 01:16:14,903 --> 01:16:16,704 It is a heavy responsibility. 1175 01:16:16,872 --> 01:16:18,773 Dr. Harvey understood that. 1176 01:16:18,907 --> 01:16:21,943 He carried it with him for most of his adult life. 1177 01:16:22,078 --> 01:16:25,613 And after he ceded the brain, 1178 01:16:25,815 --> 01:16:27,648 I think he was somewhat relieved 1179 01:16:27,783 --> 01:16:29,784 Not to have to worry about it anymore, 1180 01:16:29,952 --> 01:16:32,086 That someone else was taking over the helm, 1181 01:16:32,221 --> 01:16:34,155 That the person who was taking it over 1182 01:16:34,357 --> 01:16:37,325 Had sufficient respect for this material. 1183 01:16:37,459 --> 01:16:41,662 It was never meant to be a museum piece. 1184 01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:44,198 It was never meant to sit on a shelf 1185 01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:46,033 For people to gawk at. 1186 01:16:46,235 --> 01:16:48,970 It was to be used for scientific purposes. 1187 01:16:49,105 --> 01:16:51,906 And I think that, 1188 01:16:52,108 --> 01:16:55,142 At least as far as we have been able to go with the science, 1189 01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:57,778 We've kept true to that spirit. 1190 01:16:57,980 --> 01:16:59,080 Hopefully, in the future, 1191 01:16:59,214 --> 01:17:00,881 We'll be able to do more with it. 1192 01:17:02,484 --> 01:17:05,353 It sounds silly to have a heavy responsibility, 1193 01:17:05,487 --> 01:17:08,489 But it is einstein's brain. It's not nothing. 1194 01:17:08,624 --> 01:17:10,725 It is einstein's brain. 1195 01:17:41,924 --> 01:17:43,958 Subtitling: Difuze 96821

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