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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:44,416 When you run out of money and you don't have a job 2 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:47,003 and bills are coming in... 3 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:49,212 and you're not just thinking about yourself. 4 00:00:49,341 --> 00:00:53,335 You're thinking about next year, five years, 5 00:00:53,470 --> 00:00:55,632 the weight of the world is on your shoulders. 6 00:00:57,432 --> 00:00:59,423 I don't think he wanted to go back to boxing. 7 00:01:06,108 --> 00:01:10,193 In George Foreman's first heavyweight career, it was all attack. 8 00:01:10,362 --> 00:01:12,353 Thunderous right hand. Boom! 9 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:13,604 On the forehead! Bang! 10 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:16,402 And shocking violence. 11 00:01:18,287 --> 00:01:21,325 He was not a guy you wanted to get hit by. 12 00:01:21,456 --> 00:01:25,996 I mean, he did demolition jobs on most of the opponents. 13 00:01:27,045 --> 00:01:28,080 He hit me so hard. 14 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:33,125 He busted me open. The eye bone came through my eye from the inside out. 15 00:01:37,889 --> 00:01:40,096 George was a tornado 16 00:01:40,225 --> 00:01:42,933 that blew through the heavyweight division... 17 00:01:44,563 --> 00:01:46,895 And then it was gone. 18 00:01:53,572 --> 00:01:55,188 The clock will not go back. 19 00:01:55,324 --> 00:01:57,656 That is not a fact, what you're saying. 20 00:01:57,784 --> 00:02:01,072 I can become heavyweight champion of the world if I want to in any age. 21 00:02:02,456 --> 00:02:07,041 Now he's conning himself. He cannot separate the fantasy and the reality. 22 00:02:07,169 --> 00:02:10,161 Boxing smart money says George Foreman's comeback is a fraud. 23 00:02:11,548 --> 00:02:14,165 Left, right, left by Holyfield. 24 00:02:14,301 --> 00:02:17,339 What do they want? To kill this man? It's over. 25 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:19,963 You gotta realize I'm closer to 50 than I am to 20. 26 00:02:20,098 --> 00:02:22,556 Some sceptics think that this is just ridiculous. 27 00:02:22,684 --> 00:02:24,140 Foreman is just too old. 28 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:26,601 People just don't come back after ten years 29 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:29,768 and perform at the highest levels of their craft. 30 00:02:29,941 --> 00:02:33,275 He has gone from being spectacular to becoming a spectacle. 31 00:02:33,403 --> 00:02:36,987 And now let's see, is George Foreman for real 32 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:41,109 or is this the farce that many critics have said it will be? 33 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:51,919 One time, we were getting ready to go to the Houston Rockets game 34 00:02:52,047 --> 00:02:55,130 to see Ralph Sampson in his rookie year 35 00:02:55,258 --> 00:02:58,421 and, um, there were some jeans on the bed 36 00:02:58,553 --> 00:03:01,136 that I was supposed to put on to go to the game. 37 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:05,599 I didn't wanna put them on. They were kind of worn. Had a little hole in them. 38 00:03:05,727 --> 00:03:08,560 And I said, "You know what? I don't wanna look poor." 39 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:12,933 My father said, "Excuse me? Poor?" He said... We didn't go to the game. 40 00:03:13,068 --> 00:03:17,562 He said, "Let me show you poor," and he drove me to Fifth Ward. 41 00:03:24,538 --> 00:03:28,497 The Fifth Ward was known as the Bloody Fifth Ward. 42 00:03:28,625 --> 00:03:32,243 It was known for people getting hurt, killed. 43 00:03:34,005 --> 00:03:37,839 I thought the neighborhood which I grew up in, Sunnyside, was a rough place, 44 00:03:37,968 --> 00:03:40,926 but it was nothing in my opinion like the Fifth Ward. 45 00:03:42,514 --> 00:03:44,425 FOREMAN". Growing up in Houston, Fifth Ward, 46 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:46,799 I'd learned to be sort of an adventurer. 47 00:03:46,935 --> 00:03:48,425 A bad boy, so to speak. 48 00:03:48,562 --> 00:03:51,304 I'd run the streets, got into a lot of trouble. 49 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,181 Ended up dropping out of high school. 50 00:03:53,358 --> 00:03:56,646 And so I didn't have much of a life at all. 51 00:03:57,904 --> 00:03:59,986 He was not a nice guy. 52 00:04:00,115 --> 00:04:03,733 He was one of several individuals across Houston 53 00:04:03,869 --> 00:04:07,237 that had reputations that were bad. 54 00:04:09,916 --> 00:04:13,705 One of his coaches, he felt George could have been an NFL football player. 55 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:15,916 He was trying to get him to do the right thing, 56 00:04:16,047 --> 00:04:18,288 stop doing the street thing, the robbing thing. 57 00:04:22,179 --> 00:04:23,920 I was mugging a guy one night 58 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:27,673 and the police started to mount up on me and catch me. 59 00:04:27,809 --> 00:04:30,301 I had to run from the police, crawl under the house to hide 60 00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:32,019 and I thought the dogs would get me. 61 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:35,643 I hide myself. I covered myself with mud. 62 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:40,065 I crawled from under that house that night saying, 63 00:04:40,197 --> 00:04:42,279 "I-I'm not gonna be like this." 64 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:48,069 And it just so happened Jimmy Brown did a commercial for the Job Corps. 65 00:04:48,205 --> 00:04:50,867 Said, "If you want that extra chance at life, join the Job Corps." 66 00:04:50,999 --> 00:04:52,330 I got one more chance at it. 67 00:04:54,544 --> 00:04:57,332 One phase of the anti-poverty program gets underway 68 00:04:57,464 --> 00:05:00,798 as the first of 25,000 Job Corps trainees arrive at camp. 69 00:05:00,926 --> 00:05:02,257 This center adjoins... 70 00:05:02,385 --> 00:05:03,716 I took the opportunity. 71 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:06,007 Said, "The sad thing, you'll have to leave home." 72 00:05:06,139 --> 00:05:08,176 I-I didn't know about that. 73 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:10,766 But I convinced my mom and told her what it was all about. 74 00:05:10,894 --> 00:05:12,009 She says she would sign. 75 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:15,479 She welcomed my leaving my current environment. 76 00:05:17,484 --> 00:05:21,352 Joining the Job Corps changed every aspect of my life. 77 00:05:22,948 --> 00:05:28,114 I got interested in all things. Some education, learning to read and write. 78 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:35,199 I had, for the first time in my life, three meals in one day. 79 00:05:40,549 --> 00:05:43,382 Got into a lot of trouble in the Job Corps. 80 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:47,128 And I didn't want to, but I just had this old habit of fighting. 81 00:05:47,264 --> 00:05:49,801 And one of the kids said, "George, you think you're so tough." 82 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:51,389 "Why don't you become a boxer?" 83 00:05:58,692 --> 00:06:00,103 I wanted to prove that I was tough 84 00:06:00,235 --> 00:06:02,351 and I thought one day I'd get these golden gloves 85 00:06:02,487 --> 00:06:04,069 and then go home to Houston, Texas, 86 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:08,031 and be the most outstanding street fighter that ever lived. 87 00:06:08,159 --> 00:06:09,900 That's all I thought about. 88 00:06:10,036 --> 00:06:14,576 A lot of people think, 17 years old, that's kind of late to start boxing, 89 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,369 but Doc Broadus believed in me. 90 00:06:16,501 --> 00:06:20,711 All he said, "if you stop fighting in the streets and acting a clown, 91 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,046 you can become an Olympic gold medalist." 92 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:28,627 My first memory of George Foreman is, I think 93 00:06:28,763 --> 00:06:33,553 the first memory of most Americans who were alive in 1968 94 00:06:33,685 --> 00:06:38,020 and that's walking around the ring with the little American flags 95 00:06:38,148 --> 00:06:41,686 after his gold medal bout in Mexico City. 96 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:44,105 Well, the highlight of my athletic life 97 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:45,773 was to win that Olympic gold medal, 98 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:50,116 to stand on that platform, listening to your national anthem in the background. 99 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:52,530 Nothing has come close to that moment. 100 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:56,405 For the first time, I was a teenager, I had a dream come true. 101 00:07:00,337 --> 00:07:02,499 I'd like to show you guys my gold medal. 102 00:07:02,631 --> 00:07:05,464 Real gold for the champ. 103 00:07:06,885 --> 00:07:11,095 I was rescued from the gutter by way of the United States government. 104 00:07:11,222 --> 00:07:14,760 Lyndon Johnson started an anti-poverty program that really rescued me, 105 00:07:14,893 --> 00:07:16,509 gave me a chance to get an education. 106 00:07:16,645 --> 00:07:18,477 So I became more than patriotic. 107 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:20,812 I-I started to love the country, really. 108 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:24,479 You could see how proud he was when he went to the White House 109 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:27,945 and took pictures with Lyndon Baines Johnson, President Johnson. 110 00:07:29,407 --> 00:07:31,023 I thought that was a great thing. 111 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:34,948 A guy coming from Fifth Ward with that kind of reputation 112 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,946 and now he's in the White House? 113 00:07:37,082 --> 00:07:40,746 Shaking hands with the President? President. 114 00:07:47,592 --> 00:07:50,209 When are you going pro? 115 00:07:50,345 --> 00:07:53,588 I got a lot of work to do first before I turn pro. 116 00:07:53,723 --> 00:07:55,555 I intend about three months maybe, 117 00:07:55,684 --> 00:07:57,766 but when I do start I'm going all the way up. 118 00:07:57,894 --> 00:07:59,885 What do you mean by all the way up? 119 00:08:00,021 --> 00:08:03,355 All the way up to the heavyweight championship of the world, for real. 120 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:06,316 How long do you think it'll take? 121 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:10,487 There's an emotional journey you take 122 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:13,232 while trying to be heavyweight champ of the world. 123 00:08:13,368 --> 00:08:17,657 Probably a grand time in my life was the first time I met Muhammad Ali. 124 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:22,874 It was in a boxing gym in Miami. 125 00:08:23,003 --> 00:08:26,086 Give me some gloves. I gotta whoop my little brother now. 126 00:08:26,214 --> 00:08:30,003 He said, "George, once you become champion of the world, 127 00:08:30,135 --> 00:08:31,921 this is what you're gonna get." 128 00:08:32,053 --> 00:08:36,012 I thought, "What an exciting moment." He said, "Stay right here. I'll be back." 129 00:08:36,141 --> 00:08:38,724 And he ran down the stairs and stayed for a few moments. 130 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:41,344 He came back and all the time I was thinking, 131 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:45,143 "He's gonna bring back a briefcase filled with money." 132 00:08:45,275 --> 00:08:46,891 He came back, there was a briefcase 133 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:51,191 and I thought, "It's gotta be filled with thousands of dollars." 134 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:54,280 And he opened up the briefcase and it was a telephone. 135 00:08:57,328 --> 00:08:58,864 Right then I started to believe 136 00:08:58,997 --> 00:09:02,035 and think he believes I'm gonna be champion of the world too. 137 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:12,833 Dick, how tough has the opposition been for George? 138 00:09:12,969 --> 00:09:15,381 Well, George has had very tough opposition 139 00:09:15,513 --> 00:09:18,175 because each fight has been with an individual 140 00:09:18,308 --> 00:09:20,925 that had far greater experience 141 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:23,553 and more pro fights than George has. 142 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:25,349 So each fight is... 143 00:09:25,482 --> 00:09:28,065 Well, travelling through the country, boxing everyone, 144 00:09:28,193 --> 00:09:32,403 Sadler would scout everyone and tell me, "This guy's got no chin." 145 00:09:32,530 --> 00:09:36,615 "This guy's got no jab. This guy's got this... He's absent of this," 146 00:09:36,743 --> 00:09:38,950 and I'd believe him and knock those guys out. 147 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,787 Foreman's dynamite power in both hands 148 00:09:41,915 --> 00:09:45,203 is making him the scourge of the heavyweight division. 149 00:09:45,335 --> 00:09:47,952 George Foreman is now the number one contender 150 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:49,624 for the heavyweight championship, 151 00:09:49,756 --> 00:09:54,466 and the question is who's going to stop this Foreman steamroller? 152 00:09:59,057 --> 00:10:00,673 FOREMAN". But then, with Joe Frazier, 153 00:10:00,809 --> 00:10:01,924 I'd followed his career 154 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:04,893 from the time he had won the title from Buster Mathis. 155 00:10:05,021 --> 00:10:09,310 This guy, we've seen him devastate everyone in the heavyweight division. 156 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:14,858 I was there when he put his head on the chest of Muhammad Ali and just turned. 157 00:10:14,989 --> 00:10:16,400 He conquered him. 158 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:18,615 Time is important here. 159 00:10:23,998 --> 00:10:28,037 Joe Frazier was a terrific heavyweight champion 160 00:10:28,169 --> 00:10:31,958 and most people didn't give Foreman a chance 161 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:35,003 based on the quality of the opponents 162 00:10:35,135 --> 00:10:37,046 he'd fought prior to that. 163 00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:40,716 I thought he had a chance, but now, you're talking about Joe Frazier now. 164 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:59,774 I want the people in all the parts of the world to see this fight. 165 00:10:59,909 --> 00:11:04,153 I don't think you'd be interested in coming to see two friends shake hands. 166 00:11:04,289 --> 00:11:06,951 Joe Frazier and me will declare war on that day 167 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,415 and that's... that's definitely. 168 00:11:10,461 --> 00:11:12,543 You gotta look those guys in the eyes, 169 00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:16,256 stare them right in the eye, let them know that, "Hey, I'm not backing up." 170 00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:20,173 Generally, when a guy is getting a little nervous he'll drop his head 171 00:11:20,305 --> 00:11:24,549 and I was hoping Joe Frazier wouldn't because he'd see my knees shaking. 172 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:28,268 Joe Frazier was a dangerous man. 173 00:11:28,396 --> 00:11:30,763 And for the first time I was actually afraid. 174 00:11:30,899 --> 00:11:32,355 The first man I was afraid of. 175 00:11:32,483 --> 00:11:35,020 We may have an interesting evening. 176 00:11:35,153 --> 00:11:37,269 Frazier quite understandably the favorite. 177 00:11:37,405 --> 00:11:39,487 Foreman comes out, punching with the right. 178 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:41,277 Frazier in his usual style. 179 00:11:41,409 --> 00:11:44,618 Smokin' is the way he puts it. His job, to get inside. 180 00:11:44,746 --> 00:11:49,115 His best weapon, the left hook. Foreman is vulnerable to the hook. 181 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:54,495 He misses me with a left hook and it was like a fire, a gun. Pow! 182 00:11:54,631 --> 00:11:56,087 And I felt the power. 183 00:11:57,926 --> 00:12:01,135 Oh, Foreman connected, as you saw. 184 00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:03,344 He's getting into Frazier's head. 185 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:09,760 I think he hurt Joe Frazier. I think Joe is hurt. 186 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:13,764 Angie Dundee, Ali's trainer right next to me, is saying it. You may hear him. 187 00:12:13,942 --> 00:12:19,779 Down goes Frazier! 188 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:23,740 The heavyweight champion is taking the mandatory eight-count 189 00:12:23,868 --> 00:12:28,157 and Foreman is as poised as can be in a neutral corner. 190 00:12:28,289 --> 00:12:32,157 FOREMAN". When I got the first knockdown, I said, "Unreal! Unreal!" 191 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:36,002 You see the countdown for the first round. 192 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:37,791 Foreman has not panicked. 193 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:40,256 Foreman is going about his job. 194 00:12:40,385 --> 00:12:43,127 Foreman is all over Joe Frazier. 195 00:12:43,263 --> 00:12:46,927 Frazier is down again! He doesn't know where he is. 196 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:50,391 Now the round is about to end. 197 00:12:50,561 --> 00:12:53,349 Frazier's knees buckled. He is... he is down! 198 00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:54,767 He is down! 199 00:12:54,899 --> 00:12:58,688 Three times in the first round by George Foreman. 200 00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:01,061 He is all over Frazier again. 201 00:13:01,197 --> 00:13:03,063 A quick left hook, another! 202 00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:06,783 Frazier is down for the fifth time in this fight! 203 00:13:06,911 --> 00:13:09,573 It's target practice for George Foreman. 204 00:13:09,706 --> 00:13:11,413 It is target practice. 205 00:13:11,541 --> 00:13:15,330 Frazier is ready to go again! Joe is standing. 206 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:19,876 There he goes. The fight is stopped and it's over in the second round. 207 00:13:20,008 --> 00:13:24,548 George Foreman is the heavyweight champion of the world! 208 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:29,677 They're carrying George Foreman. 209 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:34,428 They're carrying George Foreman on their shoulders right out of the ring! 210 00:13:36,733 --> 00:13:39,145 And to be heavyweight champion of the world, 211 00:13:39,277 --> 00:13:43,236 as soon as it happens to you, it's like, uh, John I Sullivan, 212 00:13:43,364 --> 00:13:47,904 uh, Braddock, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muham... 213 00:13:48,036 --> 00:13:50,903 It's like they all just pour right into you and you feel... 214 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:55,124 That moment? You feel, I am the heavyweight champion of the world. 215 00:13:55,251 --> 00:13:56,366 Nothing like it. 216 00:13:58,087 --> 00:14:02,331 It's a great day for me, having the police escort me for a change. 217 00:14:02,467 --> 00:14:05,209 Normally when I hear those sirens, I was running. 218 00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:15,928 You see that sign says, "Sadler for mayor"? I'm for that too! 219 00:14:21,235 --> 00:14:23,146 You become someone else. 220 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:25,987 It's not like you graduated into this. 221 00:14:26,115 --> 00:14:30,200 All... There's a whole other personality and you are it. 222 00:14:30,328 --> 00:14:32,239 The champ. The champ. The champ. The champ. 223 00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:35,080 And I'd like to thank everybody. Thank you for your support. 224 00:14:45,134 --> 00:14:46,920 This is the real power, though. 225 00:14:49,472 --> 00:14:52,089 You've become heavyweight champion of the world. 226 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:53,431 The dream has come true 227 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:57,678 and there's no one alive who can tell you what it's all about. 228 00:14:57,814 --> 00:14:59,976 You gotta make all the mistakes. 229 00:15:00,108 --> 00:15:01,690 I'm the champion of the whole world. 230 00:15:01,818 --> 00:15:04,776 I was just sitting down writing a note to myself. 231 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,020 I'm the champion of the whole world. 232 00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:08,692 Fame was not my problem, 233 00:15:08,825 --> 00:15:11,408 but the confidence of being champion of the world, 234 00:15:11,536 --> 00:15:14,745 that was something I'd never experienced in my life. 235 00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:20,330 Uh, meeting Sonny Liston, oh, what a thrill that was. 236 00:15:20,461 --> 00:15:24,420 I got a taste of what a heavyweight championship would mean to me. 237 00:15:24,549 --> 00:15:29,715 It would be about buying things and people admiring you. 238 00:15:29,846 --> 00:15:31,177 I loved that. 239 00:15:31,305 --> 00:15:33,342 And, of course, people being afraid of you. 240 00:15:35,143 --> 00:15:37,885 Everything he did, I'd try to imitate. 241 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:40,933 He was mean. I said, "I'm gonna show them how to be mean." 242 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:44,649 If he would come to me, I'd kill him. 243 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:46,688 If he run, I'm gonna catch him and kill him. 244 00:15:46,863 --> 00:15:48,524 We're looking forward to a great fight. 245 00:15:48,656 --> 00:15:51,694 I know that I'll be trying to knock this man's head off. 246 00:15:53,161 --> 00:15:56,574 When I first met him, he was young and he was nice 247 00:15:56,706 --> 00:16:00,074 and within a year or so, 248 00:16:00,209 --> 00:16:05,079 he became one of the most surly people 249 00:16:05,214 --> 00:16:07,421 that I ever met. 250 00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:15,221 I later learned that he was mimicking 251 00:16:15,349 --> 00:16:17,431 his great idol, Sonny Liston, 252 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,678 who also was a surly, nasty guy. 253 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:28,022 The little boy that I really enjoyed from the Olympics 254 00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:33,365 disappeared into this man who wanted to knock everyone out. 255 00:16:52,762 --> 00:16:55,800 When Foreman signed to fight in Zaire 256 00:16:55,932 --> 00:16:58,048 against Muhammad Ali, 257 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:00,892 I felt bad for Ali. I-l honestly... 258 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:04,308 Great as he was, I said, "This guy's gonna get hurt." 259 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,899 How many fellas in here now picks George? Be truthful. Be men. 260 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:10,610 Tell the truth. John, raise your hand. 261 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:15,857 I remember watching that fight 262 00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:19,156 in the ABC offices with Howard Cosell 263 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:23,498 and Cosell, the hour before the fight happened, 264 00:17:23,626 --> 00:17:27,119 was telling everybody what a disgrace it was 265 00:17:27,255 --> 00:17:29,417 because Muhammad Ali, 266 00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:33,042 who had meant so much, was going to be hurt seriously. 267 00:17:33,177 --> 00:17:36,010 I remember that as if it happened yesterday. 268 00:17:36,138 --> 00:17:41,008 The time may have come to say goodbye to Muhammad Ali 269 00:17:41,143 --> 00:17:45,262 because very honestly I don't think he can beat George Foreman. 270 00:17:47,191 --> 00:17:51,981 I met George when I was assigned to the fight in Zaire 271 00:17:52,113 --> 00:17:57,108 and the network wanted me to get with George and spar. 272 00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:04,456 And George came in and I never saw anybody pound a heavy bag 273 00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,872 as hard as he pounded that bag. 274 00:18:08,004 --> 00:18:10,120 So right away I told the producers 275 00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:12,873 there's no chance that I'm gonna let this guy 276 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:15,501 hit me in my ribs and break my ribs. 277 00:18:18,889 --> 00:18:23,224 I told Ali... "This man hits like a mule." 278 00:18:23,352 --> 00:18:27,346 "You know, he's got a great body. He's big and he's strong." 279 00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:29,722 "I don't know how you're gonna do it, you know?" 280 00:18:37,908 --> 00:18:42,027 In Africa, I saw him maybe once passing by. 281 00:18:42,163 --> 00:18:44,746 The next time was in the ring. 282 00:18:44,874 --> 00:18:48,117 And I remember his meeting me in the middle of the ring and he said, 283 00:18:48,252 --> 00:18:51,836 "George, when I fought Sonny Liston, you were just in high school." 284 00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:53,250 "You don't belong here." 285 00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:56,295 And I almost laughed and I was mean at that time 286 00:18:56,427 --> 00:18:59,761 because I never spent one day in high school. 287 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:04,007 Ali quickly across the round. 288 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,975 During the first few rounds 289 00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:08,265 I'm watching Foreman whack them to the body. 290 00:19:08,397 --> 00:19:10,809 Just really punishing blows. 291 00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:12,898 And I said, "Poor Ali. This..." 292 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:15,317 This... He didn't deserve this. 293 00:19:15,446 --> 00:19:18,154 George Foreman backing Ali into the ropes. 294 00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:20,990 That's a vicious left. Oh! 295 00:19:21,118 --> 00:19:24,156 First round I tried to knock him out because the reporters said 296 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:26,905 he shouldn't last two rounds with George. 297 00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:29,203 So I said, "In two rounds I'm gonna cream him." 298 00:19:29,335 --> 00:19:31,576 Ali is taking some punishment. 299 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:34,454 Three rounds, rather than get a little conservative, 300 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:37,924 I tried to knock him out in the third found and the fourth and the fifth. 301 00:19:38,052 --> 00:19:41,261 About the sixth round I realize there's something going on. 302 00:19:41,389 --> 00:19:43,130 I'm not gonna be able to knock this guy out. 303 00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:46,178 This is the furthest that George Foreman has gone 304 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:49,098 in a fight since 1972. 305 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:51,517 He was looking for the homerun. 306 00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:54,687 The homerun never came, so you, boom, the big shots. 307 00:19:54,819 --> 00:19:58,028 And when you throw a big shot, it takes a lot out of you if you don't hit a guy. 308 00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:04,781 I initially believed that what I had feared was taking place 309 00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:08,155 because Ali, instead of boxing Foreman, 310 00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:11,658 went to the ropes and did the rope-a-dope, 311 00:20:11,794 --> 00:20:14,502 but Ali's plan, as we know now, 312 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:16,496 was to tire George out. 313 00:20:16,632 --> 00:20:20,591 Ali sits back in the ropes and tells Foreman to come in. 314 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:26,090 Nobody could imagine that kind of strategy, 315 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,432 much less execute it, 316 00:20:28,561 --> 00:20:31,599 except for one man in the world, Muhammad Ali. 317 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:35,269 About the seventh round I thought I'd hit him with a good shot 318 00:20:35,443 --> 00:20:38,276 and he said, "Is that all you got, George?" 319 00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:41,271 And I remember thinking not only is he talking crazy, 320 00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:45,321 but his voice is stronger now than in the earlier round. 321 00:20:45,453 --> 00:20:48,491 A sneaky right hand. 322 00:20:48,622 --> 00:20:53,116 Another sneaky right hand. This time he works over the shoulder of Foreman. 323 00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:02,501 Three, four, five. 324 00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:06,504 Foreman just stopped... Eight. 325 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,052 That's it. The fight is stopped! 326 00:21:09,185 --> 00:21:12,928 Muhammad Ali, a dramatic eighth-round knockout. 327 00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:14,771 Look at that face. 328 00:21:14,899 --> 00:21:18,187 A man who can scarcely believe what has happened to him. 329 00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:23,734 I had lost my most precious heavyweight championship of the world. 330 00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:28,451 That I remember like it was yesterday. 331 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:32,363 Hello there. How you doing? 332 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:37,495 One day I'd come through all of the guys in the skycaps in Meacham Airport 333 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,746 and they were afraid to look you in the eye. 334 00:21:39,882 --> 00:21:41,464 They were like, "That's the champ." 335 00:21:41,592 --> 00:21:43,879 And the next day you're going out to the same airport 336 00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:46,173 and these guys are patting you on the shoulder, 337 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:49,013 "Oh, you'll get a second chance. You'll get another chance." 338 00:21:49,141 --> 00:21:54,636 From pride to pity. Devastation like I've never felt. 339 00:21:54,772 --> 00:21:58,356 Well, now, uh, I'm very anxious and I would... 340 00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:00,896 I'm trem... I'm hoping with all my might 341 00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:03,645 that I'll get a chance to fight the man again 342 00:22:03,781 --> 00:22:08,116 because for a fact, I didn't do 100% of what I could do. 343 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,860 It's a hard thing to live with, 344 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:13,237 losing something like the championship of the world. 345 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:15,991 I'd have fight that fight most nights... 346 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:19,452 and I'd be winning, winning, winning, 347 00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:21,955 then I'd get knocked down 348 00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:25,174 and by the time I jump up, I wake up out of the dream again. 349 00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:28,886 I could not win that fight, not even in my dreams. 350 00:22:38,065 --> 00:22:39,897 This time, this man, you know, 351 00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:43,981 got me to the point where I just distaste his prevalence in boxing. 352 00:22:44,113 --> 00:22:46,650 I really wanna beat him, more than anything in the world. 353 00:22:46,782 --> 00:22:50,320 Oh, that became the thing. That became an obsession. 354 00:22:54,123 --> 00:22:56,660 This is the first time I wanted to beat somebody. 355 00:22:56,792 --> 00:22:58,829 I've never felt like this before. 356 00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:02,420 Do you think Ali's backing down from another meeting with you? 357 00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:04,164 There's no telling what he's doing. 358 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:06,211 I would love a rematch. 359 00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:10,462 What really developed more was no more just anger, 360 00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:13,181 I even had hate for Muhammad Ali. 361 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:26,152 And I don't know if you've heard, if you've heard of this story. 362 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,521 They were filming the movie The Greatest here. 363 00:23:30,326 --> 00:23:32,067 Sure enough, George shows up down there. 364 00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:38,531 Ali asked him what was he doing down there. 365 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:41,204 He said, "I've been trying to find you. I want a rematch." 366 00:23:41,337 --> 00:23:43,874 You beat me before I get some sense. 367 00:23:44,006 --> 00:23:47,044 You ain't got no sense... 368 00:23:47,176 --> 00:23:50,009 And George gets... climbs up into the ring 369 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:52,378 and they get their on and stuff 370 00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:56,052 and some things was said that I can't repeat on this program. 371 00:23:56,185 --> 00:24:00,975 And George made some threats about blanking Ali's behind. 372 00:24:02,232 --> 00:24:04,064 Chairs started flying. 373 00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:12,236 The police that were down there finally got him out of the building. 374 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:17,116 I was fueled by a lot of anger. 375 00:24:18,165 --> 00:24:20,281 And I walked around with that for years. 376 00:24:21,335 --> 00:24:23,246 Don King and video techniques, 377 00:24:23,379 --> 00:24:27,873 bringing you new, innovative and imaginative ideas in boxing. 378 00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:31,046 As a confidence boost, one of the biggest mistakes he made 379 00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:33,135 was when he decided to do the five-guy thing. 380 00:24:33,263 --> 00:24:36,881 He fought these five guys, supposed to do three rounds with each guy. 381 00:24:37,017 --> 00:24:38,678 And some of them... 382 00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:41,519 You and I could have knocked them out if we'd had fought them. 383 00:24:41,647 --> 00:24:44,856 How do you condition yourself for going up against five guys? 384 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:47,100 How can you possibly train for a fight like this? 385 00:24:47,236 --> 00:24:49,773 I do the normal things, running up the hills. 386 00:24:49,905 --> 00:24:51,646 Uh, then I've got a program now 387 00:24:51,782 --> 00:24:54,444 where I pick up my actual 500- and 600-pound steers, 388 00:24:54,576 --> 00:24:56,658 put them on my back and walk up hills with them. 389 00:24:56,787 --> 00:24:59,449 That's been the newest thing that I've added to my repertoire. 390 00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:02,699 And I'm gonna let five fresh guys come in, three rounds each. 391 00:25:02,835 --> 00:25:05,793 If either one of them beat me, I'll retire. I'm through with boxing. 392 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:12,213 The bell for round one. Quickly to ring center. 393 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:16,713 I think George was looking for a way to move forward, 394 00:25:16,849 --> 00:25:20,968 get rid of the loss in Zaire and go forward from there. 395 00:25:21,103 --> 00:25:25,643 Maybe losing was too much for him to absorb. 396 00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:28,641 Even those closest to George Foreman 397 00:25:28,777 --> 00:25:33,487 have been concerned that he's not been the same man ever since Ali beat him. 398 00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:36,903 The humiliation. 399 00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:40,779 The fact that you can no longer have this bravado. 400 00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:43,997 Just being humbled in the worst way. 401 00:25:44,126 --> 00:25:49,121 Uh, it's reaching down and becoming real with yourself. 402 00:25:49,298 --> 00:25:51,881 What is happening there? 403 00:25:52,009 --> 00:25:53,249 Foreman is not himself. 404 00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:55,171 He's going after the kid again. 405 00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:58,467 Needlessly, for no reason! He's beaten. 406 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,681 This is an absurd scene. 407 00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:03,927 Now there's gonna be a fight between the trainers. 408 00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:05,974 Totally out of control. 409 00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:11,101 Do I think that, that George was operating from some kind of script 410 00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:12,977 to set up a rematch? 411 00:26:13,113 --> 00:26:14,774 Sure, that's possible. 412 00:26:14,907 --> 00:26:18,901 But you can't do all of those things 413 00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:22,529 and it's all fiction. 414 00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:27,204 It has to come from some real place deep within you to execute that. 415 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,874 Look at him walking around, 416 00:26:31,006 --> 00:26:34,089 looking at the fans who are booing him. 417 00:26:34,218 --> 00:26:38,257 This has to be a downright ugly scene. 418 00:26:44,812 --> 00:26:47,770 That fight in Zaire 419 00:26:47,898 --> 00:26:52,938 put him through a lot of soul-searching days 420 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:56,859 where he had to deal with making decisions on who he was. 421 00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:02,739 He signs for a fight with Ron Lyle. 422 00:27:02,871 --> 00:27:04,953 I don't know if you've ever seen this fight. 423 00:27:05,082 --> 00:27:07,995 The fight starts. Bam! 424 00:27:08,127 --> 00:27:09,709 Knockdowns everywhere. 425 00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:11,828 He's in big trouble! 426 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,456 What happened was he came out trying to box 427 00:27:14,591 --> 00:27:17,208 and he got hit upside the chin 428 00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:18,630 and the boxing skills, 429 00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:21,845 the late Gil Clancy, who was a teacher, had taught him, 430 00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:23,590 they went out to the wind. 431 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:26,558 ...lands a big left hook... 432 00:27:26,687 --> 00:27:29,304 And the fight became a street fight. 433 00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:31,646 They knuckled down the other way. 434 00:27:31,775 --> 00:27:36,235 What a round of boxing this is! Big left hook! 435 00:27:36,363 --> 00:27:37,774 A third, fourth... 436 00:27:40,117 --> 00:27:42,358 Can he get this drawn? 437 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:45,953 George is staggering now. George is hit with a vicious left hook. 438 00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:47,992 Inside of ten seconds to go. 439 00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:50,412 And George is ready to go, believe it or not. 440 00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:51,955 There it is! 441 00:27:52,087 --> 00:27:54,124 He drops the champion! 442 00:27:54,256 --> 00:27:58,921 I remember him hitting me so hard and I'm on the floor thinking, 443 00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:02,386 "What excuses have you got now?" 444 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,427 Cos I remember thinking the ropes were loose in Africa, 445 00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:09,094 someone put something in my water. I had all kind of excuses. 446 00:28:09,271 --> 00:28:11,763 This time, couldn't think of an excuse. 447 00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:13,435 I had to get up. 448 00:28:13,567 --> 00:28:16,980 George gets up. This is one of the great rounds of all time. 449 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:20,446 And I remember thinking, "Before I lose, 450 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:22,030 I'll die." 451 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,196 "So he's gonna have to kill me tonight." 452 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:29,746 I'd never felt that before. 453 00:28:31,585 --> 00:28:33,326 I'll die first. 454 00:28:46,683 --> 00:28:50,597 Now, he's maybe a step or two away from a championship fight... 455 00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:55,932 and he decides to take a fight with Jimmy Young. 456 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:02,397 I'm back number one contender of the world 457 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:06,992 and commissions were saying, "Look, if George Foreman fights Jimmy Young, 458 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,532 the winner of that fight, if George wins, 459 00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:12,202 we're gonna demand Ali fight Foreman 460 00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:14,120 or he's gonna be stripped of his title." 461 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:20,881 This arena may have had a ceiling fan or two in it. 462 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:23,501 No air conditioner. And it was hot. 463 00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:27,554 I was drenched when the fight was over myself. 464 00:29:27,683 --> 00:29:30,971 To begin round one, scheduled for 12. 465 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:34,687 I was in Puerto Rico when he fought Jimmy Young. 466 00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:36,726 Foreman is staggered. 467 00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:38,769 He got dropped in the fight. 468 00:29:40,362 --> 00:29:42,729 It was a bad style for him. 469 00:29:42,864 --> 00:29:46,323 A smart boxer, a guy who could move. 470 00:29:50,414 --> 00:29:54,282 Going to a decision, Jimmy Young had won that boxing match. 471 00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,996 All I can remember that night is I was tired. 472 00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:03,466 That was the most heat I'd ever felt in my life. 473 00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,756 I went back to my dressing room and then I went on the trip of my life, 474 00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:11,882 fighting for my life in the dressing room. 475 00:30:12,019 --> 00:30:13,726 I was gonna die. 476 00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:18,014 Right in my thoughts I heard, "Why you afraid to die?" 477 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,732 I was scared. 478 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:23,273 I was gonna die in a stupid, nasty dressing room 479 00:30:23,405 --> 00:30:25,066 that didn't even have air conditioning. 480 00:30:25,198 --> 00:30:28,782 I had all these homes and I tried to make a deal. 481 00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:31,493 I said, "I'm still George Foreman." 482 00:30:31,621 --> 00:30:34,079 "I can box and I can give money to charity and cancer." 483 00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:38,496 And I heard a voice within me say, "I don't want your money. I want you." 484 00:30:38,628 --> 00:30:42,792 I remember a tear came. I was like, "Oh, death?" 485 00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:52,382 My leg gave out on me and I said, "Hey, y'all, I'm fixing it." 486 00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:55,054 Before I could say another word, I was dead. 487 00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,430 Over my head, under my feet, around me was nothing. 488 00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:03,310 Just a horrible old smell of death and I was in this dump yard of nothing. 489 00:31:03,445 --> 00:31:05,652 I had guys on the undercard that day 490 00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:09,445 and I went into the dressing room and I heard the shouting and the commotion 491 00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:12,739 and it was a sight you'll never forget. 492 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:14,157 It just... 493 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:19,329 I mean, I actually ran out of the room because I was so concerned about George. 494 00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:22,499 I started screaming, "Jesus Christ is coming alive in me." 495 00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:26,295 Boy, they put the tomahawk and full-nelson on me trying to hold me 496 00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:28,258 because I'd taken off my clothes. 497 00:31:28,387 --> 00:31:29,923 I said, "I gotta go tell the world!" 498 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:32,592 I guess they were saying, "Put some clothes on, George." 499 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,341 I followed eight men to get into a shower and started screaming, 500 00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:37,935 "Hallelujah, I'm clean! Hallelujah, I'm born again!" 501 00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:40,896 They finally strapped me down, held me down on the table 502 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:42,560 and I started reciting the Bible. 503 00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:47,277 I kissed everyone in the room, told them I loved them. I just couldn't stop. 504 00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:50,906 I was outside the locker room. 505 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,026 I didn't know what was going on in that room, 506 00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:57,621 but he went through something for about an hour at least, 507 00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:00,832 in the dressing room with all the screaming and hollering going on. 508 00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:02,577 I said, "Wait! Don't let Jesus go!" 509 00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:04,373 Cos I know he was going. 510 00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:08,295 Finally, I said, "Now go to my father which is in heaven." Boom! 511 00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:11,761 And I was left in this dressing room just as embarrassed. 512 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:16,469 I said, "You witnessed a miracle and you're not gonna believe it." 513 00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:20,720 That happened to me and for ten years I didn't even make a fist. 514 00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:22,563 I didn't shadowbox, I didn't box. 515 00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:24,978 I left it and became an evangelist 516 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,693 with the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. 517 00:32:27,821 --> 00:32:31,030 ♪ We are climbing 518 00:32:33,702 --> 00:32:37,991 ♪ Jacob's ladder 519 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:42,245 ♪ We are climbing 520 00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:47,793 ♪ Yes, Jacob's ladder a' 521 00:32:47,924 --> 00:32:50,962 Everyone thought I was crazy. Everyone. 522 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:52,550 And I just couldn't box any more. 523 00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,465 I'd go to the gym originally 524 00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:58,808 and that punching bag was Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, Ken Norton. 525 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:01,973 I went in there it was just rag, piece of leather, 526 00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:04,517 and it wasn't anybody any more and I couldn't do that. 527 00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:06,310 I just stopped boxing. 528 00:33:06,443 --> 00:33:09,652 Even my mom thought I was crazy. 529 00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:11,395 She said, "Our families were saying 530 00:33:11,531 --> 00:33:13,989 we need to put George in a rest home, you know." 531 00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,660 He cut his hairstyle. 532 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,907 He changed his wearing of clothes. 533 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,497 And then this happened. He started giving away stuff. 534 00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:33,793 He was giving away cars, big-screen TVs, furniture, everything. 535 00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:36,170 And for ten years he didn't watch television. 536 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,516 He used to tell us about the cars he had 537 00:33:41,645 --> 00:33:45,354 and tell us about the homes he had in Beverly Hills 538 00:33:45,482 --> 00:33:48,224 and River Oaks in Houston, 539 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,319 but I'd never seen them and I thought he was telling us about a fairy tale. 540 00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:57,032 He went from 220 or whatever, 230 at that time, 541 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,572 all the way up to 300 pounds. 542 00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,445 And people laughed at him 543 00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:06,705 and criticized him, called him all kind of names. 544 00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:12,544 Well, I went to his home 545 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:16,130 and there were some tremendous changes in his life. 546 00:34:16,263 --> 00:34:21,008 That's the night that I got knocked out in Africa. 547 00:34:21,142 --> 00:34:24,260 And that's to remind me that God had mercy on me. 548 00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:27,559 One of the beautiful things that he did is he acknowledged 549 00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:31,350 the ability of Muhammad Ali and acknowledged that loss 550 00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:35,024 and put a shrine up in his home 551 00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:37,739 and gave Ali all the credit in the world. 552 00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,404 This is the proof that I was in the fight with him. 553 00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:43,370 He punched me right on the eye. 554 00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:47,833 I hadn't had an athlete that could accept defeat 555 00:34:47,961 --> 00:34:52,080 and recognize the greatness of another man the way he did. 556 00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:54,832 In the world, I-l actually hated him. 557 00:34:54,968 --> 00:34:57,926 And today, he's like one of my children, to be honest with you. 558 00:34:58,054 --> 00:35:00,466 I talk with him all the time. I love him now. 559 00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:04,975 I'd found me. Really found myself. 560 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:09,062 And I was ordained an evangelist at the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. 561 00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:13,059 And from that point on, I was the preacher. 562 00:35:14,029 --> 00:35:16,862 To be honest with you, I didn't think that was truly God. 563 00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:19,903 All the people I'd seen gravitate to that were poor people, 564 00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:21,275 broken-hearted people. 565 00:35:21,411 --> 00:35:24,699 You see someone's husband leave them, then they have a Bible or some guy 566 00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:28,119 come out of jail after so many years, he has a Bible. 567 00:35:28,251 --> 00:35:30,663 I said, "That's not me." Or broke people. 568 00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:32,251 I didn't believe in religion. 569 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,714 My mom said, "Oh, Lord," but I thought that was cos she was broke all the time. 570 00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:40,586 In my life, I had not been sold on anything, boxing or anything, 571 00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:42,463 but once I found my religion, 572 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:47,435 I was sold and I started to talk and it was about keeping me quiet then. 573 00:35:49,064 --> 00:35:51,726 Jesus! Jesus! 574 00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:55,567 I put down boxing and everything that had to do with boxing, 575 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:58,653 so that people could learn about Jesus Christ. 576 00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:01,444 One day I was with some friends and they said, 577 00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:04,034 "There's George Foreman preaching on the corner." 578 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,199 And I-l didn't go up and say anything. 579 00:36:06,331 --> 00:36:12,077 I actually was a little uncomfortable that he was in that position. 580 00:36:12,212 --> 00:36:13,794 God is a wake-up artist. 581 00:36:14,881 --> 00:36:17,543 When God say you got to move, you got to move! 582 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,218 I'm not really like a guy that wants to be baptized. 583 00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:24,304 Anything like that. 584 00:36:24,432 --> 00:36:30,223 But I had so much respect for him, I decided I would let him baptize me. 585 00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:32,562 And I'm so happy that I did that... 586 00:36:33,775 --> 00:36:39,817 because he proved to be everything that a man should be after that. 587 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,908 There's a moment somewhere in there when George has kind of epiphany 588 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:49,121 and says to himself, "I'm not really a mean-spirited SOB." 589 00:36:49,249 --> 00:36:50,660 "That's not me." 590 00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:54,035 Now I can't understand how another man would ball up his fist 591 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,832 and put on gloves and try and knock another man unconscious. 592 00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:59,753 I just can't see it. I don't understand how I did it. 593 00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:01,295 I couldn't do that again. 594 00:37:04,848 --> 00:37:09,308 There's a Bible scripture and it goes like this. 595 00:37:09,436 --> 00:37:13,395 "Let your light so shine before men 596 00:37:13,523 --> 00:37:15,434 that they may see your good works 597 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,400 and glorify your father, which is in heaven." 598 00:37:18,528 --> 00:37:22,112 What I try to do now is... Talk is cheap. 599 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,901 It's all living. 600 00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:26,240 And maybe by my life, they can see the light. 601 00:37:44,721 --> 00:37:48,510 This is where it all started and finished with me and boxing. 602 00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:51,679 This is the last ring I worked out in. 603 00:37:51,811 --> 00:37:54,769 It was constructive for me, so to speak. 604 00:37:54,898 --> 00:37:58,266 And then hopefully it'll be the home of another George Foreman. 605 00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:09,152 There were some kids that their parents wanted me to help them with boxing 606 00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:12,996 and get them in the ring and get them off the streets, the mothers did. 607 00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:14,831 That prompt me to take my life savings, 608 00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,291 start the George Foreman Youth and Community Center, 609 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:18,785 along with my brother, Roy. 610 00:38:18,922 --> 00:38:23,041 I started a hangout, never a sermon, just a hangout with them. 611 00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:25,004 And it doesn't matter what people think, 612 00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:28,549 so long as I don't drop that baton Lyndon Johnson gave me, 613 00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:31,173 1965, when he pulled me out of the gutter, 614 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,175 and it didn't matter what people thought. 615 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,848 He said, "I'm going to help George Foreman and guys like him." 616 00:38:36,856 --> 00:38:39,473 When he opened the George Foreman Youth Centre, 617 00:38:39,609 --> 00:38:41,395 he was happy going to do that every day. 618 00:38:41,528 --> 00:38:44,065 I mean, really, I would get in, jump in the car with him 619 00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:47,110 and he was motivated to go to the Youth Center and work with kids. 620 00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:49,700 Doing a good evangelistic work was one thing, 621 00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:53,696 but I wanted to make sure I wouldn't lose the reach on the young kids, 622 00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:56,790 and I had to find a happy medium where I could meet up with these kids 623 00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:58,784 and not push any religion on them. 624 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,001 Just try to get... 625 00:39:00,129 --> 00:39:02,837 Get yourself together, your mind and your body. 626 00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:06,084 Then you'll find if kids start thinking about themselves in that area, 627 00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:07,880 they start taking care of their soul. 628 00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:17,602 The Youth Center started to take every dime I could get, 629 00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:19,596 and I started speaking around the country 630 00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:21,314 to support the Youth Center. 631 00:39:21,442 --> 00:39:24,309 Once, one of the preachers who had me and hosted me said, 632 00:39:24,445 --> 00:39:27,062 "We're gonna raise money for George Foreman and his kids," 633 00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:28,563 and I stayed there for three days. 634 00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:34,411 And as he was raising money, the people looking at me behind the pulpit. 635 00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:38,157 He said, "This isn't enough money! Surely we can help George more." 636 00:39:38,293 --> 00:39:40,534 I never felt so ashamed in my life. 637 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:46,877 He was used to being rich and taking care of things 638 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:48,717 and he didn't have that any more. 639 00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:53,005 That's what made him really start thinking 640 00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:57,806 about how he could keep that open and make a future, 641 00:39:57,937 --> 00:40:01,020 not only for the kids at the Youth Center, but his family. 642 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,152 And I remember saying right there, 643 00:40:08,281 --> 00:40:11,023 "I'll never ask anyone for money again." 644 00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,368 "I'm gonna be heavyweight champion. That's how I'll get my money." 645 00:40:17,332 --> 00:40:20,290 I went to my wife and told her, "Look..." 646 00:40:21,336 --> 00:40:25,125 "I just... I've run out of money. I'm gonna have to go back into boxing." 647 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,964 She pleaded, "Don't do it. They're gonna kill you, George." 648 00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:29,457 "You're not that guy anymore." 649 00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:34,508 And I even brought my kids around and told them. 650 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:38,433 Of course when your father says, "I'm gonna come back to boxing 651 00:40:38,561 --> 00:40:40,973 and be the heavyweight champion of the world," 652 00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,472 you say, "OK, Dad." 653 00:40:43,608 --> 00:40:49,103 But I'd never seen him skip rope, never seen him put on any boxing trunks, 654 00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:53,482 never seen him hit the bag, never seen him do anything like that. 655 00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:57,657 First thing I did was get on the scale. 656 00:40:57,789 --> 00:40:59,905 315 pounds. 657 00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:03,579 I said, "Oh, no," so I thought, "I need better scales." 658 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:08,129 FOREMAN JR". The early days of training 659 00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:11,170 before he started putting a lot of miles jogging, 660 00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:15,671 he would walk and I would see him walk around the backyard, 661 00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:20,768 walk around the track, and use pennies to count his laps. 662 00:41:23,189 --> 00:41:26,227 Then I made an announcement to my friends I was coming back. 663 00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:27,565 The newspaper got a hold to it 664 00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:31,358 and they start talking about me as bad as they could. 665 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,196 What are you making of George Foreman? 666 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,988 It's a living advertisement for why boxing should be abolished. 667 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,578 People just don't come back after ten years 668 00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:42,744 and perform at the highest levels of their craft. 669 00:41:42,875 --> 00:41:46,334 He has gone from being spectacular to becoming a spectacle. 670 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,217 They thought it was a joke. They thought he was just a big joke. 671 00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:58,384 And that he would flop and fall flat on his face. 672 00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:03,135 Tomorrow night veteran boxer George Foreman will put on the gloves 673 00:42:03,271 --> 00:42:07,230 and climb back into the ring after almost a decade in retirement. 674 00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:09,816 Some sceptics think that this is just ridiculous. 675 00:42:09,944 --> 00:42:11,776 Foreman is just too old. 676 00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:16,731 When he was in Sacramento, California 677 00:42:16,868 --> 00:42:22,113 and he fought a gentleman named Steve Zouski, I believe, 678 00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:25,741 and he was in the ring and he had his shirt off. 679 00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:28,869 I don't remember seeing my father with his shirt off before, 680 00:42:29,005 --> 00:42:31,963 so he took that shirt off and that was a big deal. 681 00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:33,377 And he was throwing punches. 682 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:37,844 I had never seen my actual father throwing punches. 683 00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:40,885 The basic questions about Foreman's comeback. 684 00:42:41,017 --> 00:42:43,850 His age, at around 40. 685 00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:46,310 I had to start from the bottom. 686 00:42:46,439 --> 00:42:49,022 And also the quality of his opponents. 687 00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:51,061 The minor leagues all over again. 688 00:42:51,194 --> 00:42:53,982 I was back in the back of the bus. 689 00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:56,901 The inactivity. He was out for ten years. 690 00:42:57,033 --> 00:43:01,197 He started off fighting you and I. 691 00:43:01,329 --> 00:43:04,117 Guys like you and I nobody never heard of. 692 00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:07,957 He started the comeback at 325 pounds. 693 00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,163 I knew I wouldn't be able to take up 694 00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:12,207 where I'd left off ten years ago. 695 00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:15,958 I was not as fast any more because of the extra weight. 696 00:43:16,094 --> 00:43:19,007 I would have to change my style. 697 00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:24,383 And George Foreman is now 11 for 11 in his comeback bid. 698 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,762 Boxing smart money says George Foreman's comeback is a fraud, 699 00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:31,933 that flattening one palooka after another is little more than flim-flam. 700 00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:35,898 He fought 19 people 701 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:39,113 that were what we call in the parlance of boxing, dead men. 702 00:43:39,242 --> 00:43:42,860 "Stiffs" is another word. "Tomato cans" is another word. 703 00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:46,075 What they mean is they were not opponents that would fight back. 704 00:43:46,207 --> 00:43:49,074 They were opponents that were there to get knocked out. 705 00:43:50,169 --> 00:43:52,376 I kept boxing. City to city. 706 00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:55,748 Every reporter would take a shot at me. "George is this..." 707 00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:58,500 And they'd come out and give me long pieces too. 708 00:43:58,636 --> 00:43:59,876 "He'll never do it." 709 00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:02,595 And they just take up the paper criticizing me. 710 00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:07,225 In the same time, they were making me all famous again. 711 00:44:16,237 --> 00:44:19,855 I had heard that he had had a couple of fights... 712 00:44:21,033 --> 00:44:24,196 and out of the blue I got a call from him 713 00:44:24,328 --> 00:44:26,786 and he wanted me to promote him, 714 00:44:27,832 --> 00:44:30,745 but I remembered the old George Foreman. 715 00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:33,665 And I told him that I had no interest 716 00:44:33,796 --> 00:44:37,130 in subjecting myself to that kind of person. 717 00:44:38,509 --> 00:44:43,254 He says, "Look, I'm getting on a plane and I'm coming to see you anyway." 718 00:44:44,348 --> 00:44:47,716 And he sits down and starts talking to me. 719 00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:51,095 I sort of scratched my head and I said, 720 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:55,770 "This is the best con man that I had ever, ever met," 721 00:44:55,902 --> 00:45:02,569 because he was respectful, he was nice, he was intelligent. 722 00:45:02,742 --> 00:45:06,280 And I said, you know, "He's, he's putting me on," 723 00:45:06,412 --> 00:45:08,904 which is the most amazing thing 724 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,247 because the new George Foreman 725 00:45:11,375 --> 00:45:13,742 turned out to be the real George Foreman. 726 00:45:15,087 --> 00:45:20,253 Without further ado, the Chairman of the Board of Top Rank, Bob Arum. 727 00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:23,376 Thank you. 728 00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:27,680 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for coming. 729 00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:33,429 This press conference is to announce the fight that everybody is talking about, 730 00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:39,435 the preacher, George Foreman, against the puncher, Gerry Cooney. 731 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:41,356 That fight, I was nervous. 732 00:45:41,489 --> 00:45:43,571 Gerry Cooney was a big guy 733 00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,315 and had a heavy punch. 734 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,246 Now he finally got somebody whose arms is longer than his. 735 00:45:51,374 --> 00:45:54,412 He's not the peak guy no more. 736 00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:59,379 What happens when a man fight somebody his size? 737 00:45:59,507 --> 00:46:01,589 Here we go! 738 00:46:04,804 --> 00:46:06,670 I thought I was gonna win. 739 00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:11,683 But, you know, some days you get the eggs and some days you get the shells. 740 00:46:13,271 --> 00:46:16,434 Oh! And look at the left come up and slice right. 741 00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:19,978 And Gerry Cooney's in big trouble. He's ready to go! 742 00:46:20,111 --> 00:46:21,647 And there he goes! 743 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:24,692 Two! Three! Four! 744 00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:26,440 And he is badly hurt! 745 00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:29,158 That was like George's coming-out party. 746 00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:34,373 I'm back, I'm a legitimate contender, and, Holyfield, you're in trouble. 747 00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,333 And I'm like, "Wow. You know what?" 748 00:46:37,461 --> 00:46:40,328 "He is slow, but it do connect." 749 00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:42,546 Oh! And that's it! 750 00:46:42,675 --> 00:46:44,586 And I don't think... This fight's over. 751 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,255 Boom! 752 00:46:46,387 --> 00:46:48,378 That was it! Folded good! 753 00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:51,673 George Foreman... 754 00:46:52,977 --> 00:46:57,642 makes believers of some, definitely of Gerry Cooney. 755 00:47:00,985 --> 00:47:03,773 It wasn't just a knockout. It was an easy knockout. 756 00:47:03,904 --> 00:47:08,193 And that raised eyebrows and that got the public starting to think, 757 00:47:08,326 --> 00:47:11,535 "Oh, you know, he's still George Foreman." 758 00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:14,780 "He still has that unbelievable punching power, 759 00:47:14,915 --> 00:47:16,155 even though he's got a belly 760 00:47:16,292 --> 00:47:18,829 and he looks like he's shambling around in his pajamas." 761 00:47:18,961 --> 00:47:21,043 "He's, he's still got something." 762 00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:26,499 At that time I was the heavyweight champion of the world 763 00:47:26,635 --> 00:47:30,924 and I was like, "You had your time, but it's my time now." 764 00:47:31,057 --> 00:47:34,721 And we have a new heavyweight champion of the world, 765 00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,342 Evander Holyfield. 766 00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:38,095 In my estimation, Evander Holyfield 767 00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:42,064 could be one of the three greatest heavyweights that ever lived. 768 00:47:42,193 --> 00:47:44,981 Here's a guy who's light heavyweight champion, 769 00:47:45,154 --> 00:47:48,988 cruiserweight champion, heavyweight champion of the world. 770 00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:52,609 Down goes McDonagh through the ropes! 771 00:47:52,745 --> 00:47:55,737 I mean, this guy makes no mistakes in the ring. 772 00:47:58,417 --> 00:48:01,284 He was champion of the world. He needed lots of money. 773 00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:05,084 And the only one who had done publicity enough was George Foreman. 774 00:48:05,216 --> 00:48:06,957 I'm just a big old baby boomer 775 00:48:07,093 --> 00:48:09,710 and I'm gonna lower a boom on that baby, Evander Holyfield. 776 00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:10,797 George Foreman. 777 00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:14,173 Mr. Foreman, if you think you're gonna beat me, 778 00:48:14,308 --> 00:48:15,548 you off of your rocker. 779 00:48:15,684 --> 00:48:19,803 Evander Holyfield. April 19th live from Trump Plaza, TVKO. 780 00:48:19,939 --> 00:48:23,307 From then on it was like a real wild ride 781 00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:28,562 because the, the press was on his case, 782 00:48:28,697 --> 00:48:32,361 A, because he was relatively old for a fighter, 783 00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:34,325 you know, hadn't fought in 10 years, 784 00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:36,945 and, B, he was a little heavy. 785 00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:39,072 Heavyweight contender George Foreman 786 00:48:39,208 --> 00:48:41,916 who was born with a fork in his hand and a smile on his face... 787 00:48:42,044 --> 00:48:45,253 One of the fighters takes that description "heavyweight" 788 00:48:45,381 --> 00:48:46,462 very seriously. 789 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:49,002 The clock will not go back. 790 00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:51,251 That is not a fact, what you're saying. 791 00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,846 The fact is I can become heavyweight champion if I want to at any age. 792 00:48:54,974 --> 00:48:58,057 We talked about the age thing 793 00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:01,678 and that's when he came up with the idea 794 00:49:01,814 --> 00:49:05,648 that age is just a number and it really doesn't mean anything. 795 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:10,361 When I knock him out, there'll be no if, ands and buts about it. 796 00:49:10,489 --> 00:49:12,651 The age of 40 is not a death sentence after all. 797 00:49:12,783 --> 00:49:15,821 My mama always taught me to respect my elder. 798 00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:17,739 But... 799 00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:23,242 But he was very sensitive with people making fun of his weight 800 00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:27,416 and I said, "George, we're gonna play this for all it's worth." 801 00:49:27,548 --> 00:49:32,008 So at the press conference I had the waiters at the hotel 802 00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:34,961 with platters of hamburgers come in 803 00:49:35,097 --> 00:49:37,464 and that picture went all over. 804 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,640 The fight would have never been what it came out to be 805 00:49:42,771 --> 00:49:44,808 if it wasn't for George. 806 00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:48,899 The preaching really helped me because I'd learned to sell. 807 00:49:49,028 --> 00:49:51,110 When I get in the ring with Holyfield, 808 00:49:51,238 --> 00:49:56,278 you're gonna see a guy closer to 50 than he is to... to 20 809 00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,617 jump in the ring, 810 00:49:58,746 --> 00:50:01,488 too big for the title belt to fit around his waist. 811 00:50:03,751 --> 00:50:05,958 I'd get on the television, for a second 812 00:50:06,086 --> 00:50:08,794 and I'd look at the camera and say, "Yeah, they say I'm 40." 813 00:50:08,923 --> 00:50:12,086 "Yes, they say I'm 50, but I'm gonna show you, it's not a death sentence." 814 00:50:12,218 --> 00:50:15,301 "I can be the heavyweight champion of the world." Boom! 815 00:50:15,429 --> 00:50:20,048 Finally, they start giving me ten second, 20 second, then 30 seconds. 816 00:50:20,184 --> 00:50:22,801 People loved him! 817 00:50:22,937 --> 00:50:25,975 He made all his fame work. 818 00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:30,646 And, you know, at that time it was the biggest payday they ever had, 819 00:50:30,778 --> 00:50:33,236 in boxing, because of George. 820 00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:38,609 There was 15 million cable homes 821 00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:42,533 that could buy the fight on Pay-Per-View 822 00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:46,533 and we sold a 1,500,000 homes. 823 00:50:46,669 --> 00:50:52,335 10%, a little over 10%, which nobody's ever done before or since. 824 00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:55,504 I'm gonna be the next heavyweight champion of the world. It's my destiny. 825 00:50:55,636 --> 00:50:57,172 Nobody can stop me. 826 00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:59,386 I'm not the best fighter in the world, 827 00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:02,758 but I've got something that every fighter needs, the third punch. 828 00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:04,884 If I throw and miss you with my left, boom, 829 00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:08,138 and miss you with my right, boom, then I'll belly-bump you. 830 00:51:12,236 --> 00:51:14,978 I remember him holding up a big tray of hamburgers 831 00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:17,196 and say that he was gonna eat Baskin Robbins 832 00:51:17,324 --> 00:51:19,190 and he was gonna belly-bump him. 833 00:51:19,368 --> 00:51:23,783 And I was thinking, "Whoa, I think you better take this guy serious." 834 00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:26,827 And now, to enter the ring first, 835 00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:31,624 the unlikely central figure in this six-month comic opera, 836 00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:33,962 which is about to become a savage drama. 837 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,502 George Foreman. 838 00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:40,382 And of course you have to differentiate and say, 839 00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:42,346 "This is serious, the fight, George." 840 00:51:42,474 --> 00:51:43,930 I had to keep telling myself that 841 00:51:44,059 --> 00:51:48,269 because I'd done so much promotional work for this boxing match. 842 00:51:48,397 --> 00:51:52,391 And of course I'd put myself on the scale of all these kids 843 00:51:52,526 --> 00:51:53,982 watching me and friends. 844 00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:55,897 I couldn't be this angry old guy. 845 00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:59,489 I had to learn how to win without any trace of anger. 846 00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:02,529 It's the battle of the ages. 847 00:52:02,661 --> 00:52:06,746 Twelve rounds of boxing for the heavyweight championship of the world. 848 00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:12,285 The night of that Holyfield fight was a scary moment for me 849 00:52:12,421 --> 00:52:15,129 because they all looked over... It was Muhammad Ali. 850 00:52:15,257 --> 00:52:18,249 Here's the guy who had dethroned me all those years. 851 00:52:25,934 --> 00:52:27,424 He walked over and whispered, 852 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,349 "Oh, you're gonna be champ, you're gonna be champ." 853 00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:37,693 And still there was enough skepticism 854 00:52:37,821 --> 00:52:39,812 that there weren't many people on the ground 855 00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:44,988 who really expected that George could be competitive against Evander Holyfield. 856 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,613 April 9, 1991, Atlantic City. That was when the... 857 00:52:48,749 --> 00:52:54,290 That was when the, the comeback took on an entirely different character. 858 00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:56,332 And now let's see. 859 00:52:56,465 --> 00:52:58,581 ls George Foreman for real 860 00:52:58,717 --> 00:53:02,961 or is this the farce that many critics have said it will be? 861 00:53:05,182 --> 00:53:08,846 Budding left hand from Foreman and Holyfield backs onto the ropes. 862 00:53:08,977 --> 00:53:10,638 Crowd gets excited. 863 00:53:12,815 --> 00:53:14,897 Power to the body from Foreman. 864 00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:17,767 Holyfield not as resolute all of a sudden. 865 00:53:18,987 --> 00:53:20,352 Closing stages of round two 866 00:53:20,489 --> 00:53:23,106 and Evander is suddenly much more careful. 867 00:53:23,242 --> 00:53:26,906 Now you're watching that and suddenly you realize this is a serious fight. 868 00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:28,493 This is a very serious fight. 869 00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:32,490 And Foreman has a chance against the heavyweight champion of the world. 870 00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:38,038 Right hand on the surface of Holyfield's head 871 00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:40,665 and he's momentarily stunned. 872 00:53:40,801 --> 00:53:43,338 Now he steps back up inside. 873 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:45,131 But if there were any remaining doubts 874 00:53:45,264 --> 00:53:47,551 about the legitimacy of George's chances, 875 00:53:47,683 --> 00:53:50,766 he may have erased them in the last 30 seconds. 876 00:53:58,026 --> 00:54:01,860 I never in my whole career fought nobody that was stronger than George. 877 00:54:03,157 --> 00:54:05,398 George caught me one time in that fight 878 00:54:05,534 --> 00:54:08,401 and I thought he knocked all my teeth out. 879 00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:10,528 And I go back to the corner. 880 00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:13,031 I said, "Did he knock all my teeth out?" Like this. 881 00:54:13,167 --> 00:54:14,578 They said, "Everything is OK." 882 00:54:16,128 --> 00:54:18,540 There wasn't a fighter that I can't push back. 883 00:54:18,672 --> 00:54:20,629 I couldn't push George at all. 884 00:54:20,758 --> 00:54:23,420 And so all right, you know, I realize that, "OK, then, 885 00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:26,465 but I got these other skills that he don't have." 886 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,547 But in the closing minute of the round, 887 00:54:29,683 --> 00:54:30,923 George landed those gloves 888 00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:34,142 and now Evander seems anxious to set things right. 889 00:54:35,647 --> 00:54:38,264 Left, right, left by Holyfield! 890 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,937 And a left and a right and Foreman's in serious trouble. 891 00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:43,026 Another left hook and a right! 892 00:54:43,155 --> 00:54:46,238 Now, seeing my father get hit with 21 straight punches? 893 00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:48,323 Will George go down? 894 00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:50,068 You don't wanna see that. 895 00:54:51,205 --> 00:54:55,415 But all he taught us was, "Keep fighting, keep fighting." 896 00:54:57,878 --> 00:55:01,041 A lobbing right hand and Holyfield grabs and holds on. 897 00:55:01,173 --> 00:55:03,039 George still with some shock. 898 00:55:05,969 --> 00:55:10,304 The last thing I remember was Holyfield holding my father, 899 00:55:10,432 --> 00:55:13,049 while my father was still trying to give that last punch. 900 00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:16,974 When it came to that, the last round that everybody said, 901 00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:19,187 "Why did you hold the old man?" 902 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,900 I said, "But I won 11 rounds. I wasn't gonna let him." 903 00:55:23,028 --> 00:55:27,272 "Is it mean for me to hold him?" I was gonna hold him that last round. 904 00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:30,741 I wasn't gonna let... You gonna have one good round and you gonna win? 905 00:55:30,869 --> 00:55:34,032 No. No, listen. Not with me. 906 00:55:35,666 --> 00:55:38,704 And the crowd is up on its feet. 907 00:55:38,836 --> 00:55:42,124 And then the crowd standing 908 00:55:42,256 --> 00:55:44,964 and giving him an ovation and really cheering. 909 00:55:45,092 --> 00:55:48,255 The winner by unanimous decision 910 00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:53,678 and still undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, 911 00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:59,896 the real deal, Evander Holyfield. 912 00:56:02,568 --> 00:56:05,435 And that's when I knew, you know what? 913 00:56:05,571 --> 00:56:08,734 He might have lost the fight, but he won that night. 914 00:56:11,451 --> 00:56:14,318 You know we've got a big show this week. We've got a special guest. 915 00:56:14,454 --> 00:56:15,535 A very special guest. 916 00:56:15,664 --> 00:56:19,328 The former and maybe future heavyweight champion of the world. 917 00:56:19,459 --> 00:56:23,794 Let's bring him out here, Mr. More Power himself, George Foreman. Yeah! 918 00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:27,960 FOREMAN JR". The first time I noticed 919 00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:31,131 that his fame and profile was really getting noticed 920 00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:34,673 was when he was on a Nike Bo Jackson commercial. 921 00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:42,646 As a kid, "Bo knows" was everything. 922 00:56:42,774 --> 00:56:47,359 And then there was a George Foreman and Bo Jackson commercial 923 00:56:47,487 --> 00:56:48,852 and it said "George knows". 924 00:56:48,989 --> 00:56:50,354 Hit it! 925 00:56:53,076 --> 00:56:55,613 I thought, "Wow! He's famous." 926 00:56:55,746 --> 00:56:58,864 I am not going to pay a lot for this muffler! 927 00:56:58,999 --> 00:57:01,536 By George, I think he's got it! 928 00:57:01,668 --> 00:57:03,158 Endorsements came in. 929 00:57:03,295 --> 00:57:05,912 So many things came in 930 00:57:06,048 --> 00:57:09,166 and it soaked up my life. I enjoyed that part of it. I really did. 931 00:57:10,761 --> 00:57:16,677 You can go a long way in America if the smile looks genuine. 932 00:57:16,808 --> 00:57:19,140 And George's smile is for real. 933 00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:22,853 I did a commercial once. It was Doritos. 934 00:57:22,981 --> 00:57:27,691 I never eat Doritos. I'm in the room. They had them out there with dips. 935 00:57:27,861 --> 00:57:29,852 I started eating those things. 936 00:57:29,988 --> 00:57:33,356 I'd eat so many bags of those things. 937 00:57:33,492 --> 00:57:34,607 I love those things. 938 00:57:34,743 --> 00:57:38,862 Then they started shooting the commercial. Who could deny Doritos? 939 00:57:38,997 --> 00:57:42,331 George, how many pounds away are we from 225 pounds? 940 00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:43,824 Uh, not that far away. 941 00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:46,919 If I look a little heavy, it's that camera. The camera adds pounds. 942 00:57:47,047 --> 00:57:49,004 It does it to all of us. No question about it. 943 00:57:49,132 --> 00:57:51,794 And now we're looking for a brand-new expert commentator. 944 00:57:51,927 --> 00:57:56,467 Well, there's no bigger public figure in the sport at that moment than George. 945 00:57:56,598 --> 00:58:00,057 It was an obvious choice. 946 00:58:00,185 --> 00:58:03,553 But I could tell that there were gonna be some challenges there. 947 00:58:03,689 --> 00:58:07,148 Larry, you and George, I'm told, have been known to disagree. 948 00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:08,857 What do you think of all this? 949 00:58:08,986 --> 00:58:11,523 He had, it seemed like a kind of ingrained habit, 950 00:58:11,655 --> 00:58:14,272 that if, if Larry and I said the sky was blue, 951 00:58:14,408 --> 00:58:17,241 George was gonna say, "I'm not so sure." 952 00:58:17,369 --> 00:58:19,531 "Uh, doesn't necessarily look blue to me." 953 00:58:19,663 --> 00:58:21,529 "I'm not sure why you guys think it's blue. 954 00:58:21,665 --> 00:58:23,702 I mean, that was just the way he was thinking. 955 00:58:23,834 --> 00:58:25,950 You think these guys are champions? 956 00:58:26,086 --> 00:58:28,703 - They fought like champions. - You do? 957 00:58:28,839 --> 00:58:31,331 You and I couldn't disagree more about that, George. 958 00:58:31,466 --> 00:58:33,878 But you don't know boxing, Larry. You just see boxing. 959 00:58:34,011 --> 00:58:35,797 Well, George, I know I wasn't 960 00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:38,967 the heavyweight champion of the world, like you, 961 00:58:39,099 --> 00:58:41,431 but I think I've watched a lot of boxing. 962 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,894 He and George became a kind of frick and frack, you know, 963 00:58:45,022 --> 00:58:46,683 constantly arguing with each other. 964 00:58:46,815 --> 00:58:49,898 You cannot be serious. 965 00:58:50,027 --> 00:58:51,609 But we became popular. 966 00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:56,402 We became popular as a threesome partially because of the disagreements, 967 00:58:56,533 --> 00:59:00,367 partially because George was just so endearing, so charming. 968 00:59:01,455 --> 00:59:04,288 - I'm George Junior. - I'm George Foreman Ill. 969 00:59:04,458 --> 00:59:06,074 I'm George Foreman IV. 970 00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,247 The fact that he named all of his children 971 00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:12,917 as George or Georgettes or Georginas 972 00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:17,635 was also some kind of endearing original... 973 00:59:19,389 --> 00:59:21,130 part of his narrative. 974 00:59:21,266 --> 00:59:23,052 Who had ever heard of anything like that? 975 00:59:23,185 --> 00:59:26,143 U' WE'RE ALL MADE OF STARS from FINDING NEVERLAND Mays I') 976 00:59:30,942 --> 00:59:35,482 During that time there was an ABC show called "George". 977 00:59:35,614 --> 00:59:38,197 Hi, Daddy. Let's go the distance. 978 00:59:38,325 --> 00:59:40,783 The second round will never see 979 00:59:40,911 --> 00:59:43,949 because I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. 980 00:59:45,499 --> 00:59:47,957 Boxing was getting kind of secondary. 981 00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:50,042 George, we have to have a little discussion 982 00:59:50,170 --> 00:59:52,036 about your recent lack of get-up-and-go. 983 00:59:52,172 --> 00:59:53,207 Ah, people always... 984 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:56,207 That's a good thing out of the ring, but in the ring 985 00:59:56,343 --> 00:59:58,004 that was taking him away from his goals. 986 00:59:58,136 --> 01:00:01,174 George, you haven't been to the gym in weeks. Look at you. 987 01:00:01,306 --> 01:00:02,387 You are 40. 988 01:00:02,516 --> 01:00:05,349 Ah, don't start that nasty 40 business. 989 01:00:09,981 --> 01:00:13,349 After losing to Holyfield, George wasn't gonna give up. 990 01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:17,353 And we were able to get him with Tommy Morrison. 991 01:00:18,406 --> 01:00:21,774 And we begin round one. It's scheduled for 12. 992 01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:24,151 Very few think it will last that long. 993 01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:27,575 I honestly thought George was going to destroy him. 994 01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,744 Foreman lands a good punch. 995 01:00:31,086 --> 01:00:32,997 Morrison, wild, missed both times. 996 01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:38,216 But Morrison somehow came up with the, the best game plan ever. 997 01:00:38,343 --> 01:00:39,959 He boxed. He moved. 998 01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:46,599 I am telling you, Morrison throws a big bag of wheat. 999 01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:51,641 And George, I don't think he prepared properly. 1000 01:00:51,773 --> 01:00:54,606 Uh, George ran second. 1001 01:00:54,734 --> 01:00:56,190 He was doing the TV show. 1002 01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:58,481 He had... He was focused on other things. 1003 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,278 Before the Tommy Morrison fight he was hitting the bag 1004 01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:05,321 on the set of "George," on the TV show, you know? 1005 01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:10,615 It's really hard to be the biggest boxer 1006 01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:13,082 and have a TV show at the same time! 1007 01:01:13,211 --> 01:01:16,499 My fight will not be against Morrison, it will be against the rocking chair. 1008 01:01:16,631 --> 01:01:18,292 This is where I wanna go out of boxing. 1009 01:01:18,425 --> 01:01:21,008 Probably no-one will ever see me in a boxing ring again. 1010 01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:26,844 This could be the last 2:08 of George Foreman's boxing career. 1011 01:01:26,975 --> 01:01:29,717 At the end of the fight, Tommy Morrison got his hand raised 1012 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:31,014 and he won the fight. 1013 01:01:32,731 --> 01:01:37,100 George Foreman's legendary comeback is finished. 1014 01:02:01,843 --> 01:02:03,550 After he lost to Morrison, 1015 01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:06,010 really he started spending time on the ranch. 1016 01:02:08,016 --> 01:02:10,098 And we're riding horses, 1017 01:02:10,227 --> 01:02:13,390 um, really working the ranch, working hard. 1018 01:02:17,776 --> 01:02:20,814 Fast-forward to, uh, 1994 1019 01:02:20,946 --> 01:02:23,438 and when Michael Moorer wins the heavyweight champion. 1020 01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:30,987 And new heavyweight champion of the world... 1021 01:02:31,122 --> 01:02:33,955 Michael Moorer is another heavyweight champion. 1022 01:02:34,125 --> 01:02:38,289 What does he wanna do? He wants to make money! 1023 01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:42,130 So, he does the same thing that Holyfield did. 1024 01:02:42,259 --> 01:02:43,545 Let's go straight to George. 1025 01:02:43,677 --> 01:02:46,089 That's the way to get the biggest audience. 1026 01:02:46,221 --> 01:02:48,883 And I'm sure that Moorer, at age 26, 1027 01:02:49,015 --> 01:02:52,224 unbeaten, having just beaten Evander Holyfield, 1028 01:02:52,352 --> 01:02:54,639 didn't really believe in his heart 1029 01:02:54,771 --> 01:02:58,014 that there was gonna be that big a challenge in fighting George Foreman. 1030 01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:08,323 When George agreed to fight Moorer, 1031 01:03:08,493 --> 01:03:10,029 he had no more choices. 1032 01:03:10,161 --> 01:03:13,529 It was either beat this guy and win it or, or you're done. 1033 01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:18,825 He was getting older. 1034 01:03:18,962 --> 01:03:22,626 Uh, he didn't have a lot of credibility left 1035 01:03:22,757 --> 01:03:25,840 and people were saying, "George, maybe it's just not meant to be." 1036 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:27,255 "Maybe it's not gonna happen." 1037 01:03:31,057 --> 01:03:34,049 Then you hear that he's gonna fight Michael Moorer. 1038 01:03:34,185 --> 01:03:37,849 Now, Michael Moorer, me being a boxing fan... 1039 01:03:39,524 --> 01:03:42,357 I remember him as a middleweight, 1040 01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:44,977 a light-heavyweight, and now a heavyweight. 1041 01:03:45,113 --> 01:03:47,150 I watched the Holyfield fight. 1042 01:03:47,282 --> 01:03:52,197 I watched him do, like, amazing things as a... as a contender coming up. 1043 01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:57,574 So, I didn't like that idea of him fighting Michael Moorer. 1044 01:03:57,709 --> 01:03:58,665 I didn't like that. 1045 01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:05,206 I worked with George at that time 1046 01:04:05,342 --> 01:04:08,460 and for months prior to the fight I would say to him, 1047 01:04:08,595 --> 01:04:11,428 "George, how are you even gonna find Moorer?" 1048 01:04:11,556 --> 01:04:15,174 "Holyfield couldn't find him and Holyfield's much more mobile 1049 01:04:15,310 --> 01:04:18,302 and much more of a mover in the ring than you are. 1050 01:04:18,438 --> 01:04:23,729 "And, you know, this guy's a southpaw, doesn't move in a conventional way." 1051 01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:27,319 "Uh, he's 26 years old. He's quicker than you are." 1052 01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:32,358 I just don't understand exactly what is the plan. 1053 01:04:35,205 --> 01:04:38,448 And George said to me, "You watch." 1054 01:04:38,583 --> 01:04:40,665 "Late in the fight at some point, 1055 01:04:40,794 --> 01:04:43,081 he'll stand in front of me and allow me to knock him out." 1056 01:04:46,424 --> 01:04:47,789 I knew a secret George had 1057 01:04:47,926 --> 01:04:50,088 in regards to what he did to work on that kind of punch, 1058 01:04:50,220 --> 01:04:51,881 the way to take you out with one punch. 1059 01:04:54,182 --> 01:04:58,517 It's an exercise that you can... do with a hatchet. 1060 01:05:00,939 --> 01:05:03,647 If you looked at his arms at the time, you saw how big they were. 1061 01:05:03,775 --> 01:05:06,187 They were chiseled like that because of that exercise 1062 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:09,687 and because he was taking that axe and just kind of chopping it into the tree. 1063 01:05:36,808 --> 01:05:40,051 Tonight live from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada, 1064 01:05:40,186 --> 01:05:43,144 as Michael Moorer, WBA and IBF heavyweight champion, 1065 01:05:43,273 --> 01:05:47,187 defends his title against the one and only George Foreman. 1066 01:05:47,318 --> 01:05:49,559 It's scheduled for 12 rounds. 1067 01:05:49,696 --> 01:05:52,734 The most important thing in this boxing match I had going 1068 01:05:52,866 --> 01:05:55,198 that Michael Moorer didn't have, 1069 01:05:55,368 --> 01:05:57,109 I wanted to be there. 1070 01:05:57,245 --> 01:06:01,159 I ran up the, the aisle, jumped into the ring 1071 01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:04,534 and it wasn't like I wanted someone else to be there. 1072 01:06:04,669 --> 01:06:08,788 This was gonna be my opportunity to fight for the championship of the world. 1073 01:06:08,923 --> 01:06:12,666 All the instructions, all the trainings had come to head now. 1074 01:06:13,928 --> 01:06:15,544 Twelve rounds of boxing 1075 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,423 for the heavyweight championship of the world. 1076 01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:24,929 Tonight, he steps into this ring ready to put his perfect record on the line. 1077 01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:28,022 Presenting the undefeated 1078 01:06:28,151 --> 01:06:32,361 heavyweight champion of the world, 1079 01:06:32,489 --> 01:06:35,231 Michael 1080 01:06:35,366 --> 01:06:38,734 Moorer! 1081 01:06:42,457 --> 01:06:48,499 Ladies and gentlemen, introducing from Houston, Texas, the challenger, 1082 01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:51,543 the former heavyweight 1083 01:06:51,674 --> 01:06:54,962 champion of the world, 1084 01:06:55,094 --> 01:07:01,215 Big George Foreman. 1085 01:07:12,904 --> 01:07:15,817 The idea was to surprise Michael Moorer. 1086 01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:17,485 He didn't expect me to stand up. 1087 01:07:17,617 --> 01:07:21,531 You see, I instantly started to jab right on top of his hands, 1088 01:07:21,663 --> 01:07:22,744 stopping his punches. 1089 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,249 Expect Moorer to start off working behind the right jab 1090 01:07:27,377 --> 01:07:29,960 that served him so well in the battle with Holyfield. 1091 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,878 And I'd learned take your time, be patient. 1092 01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:39,173 Never a rope-a-dope again. 1093 01:07:39,305 --> 01:07:42,343 I was the dope. Not again. 1094 01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:46,135 He'd go to the body. 1095 01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:49,855 But I was protected with cheeseburgers at this time. He couldn't hurt me. 1096 01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:53,775 There's another right hand. 1097 01:07:53,903 --> 01:07:56,486 What bothered me is the commentators didn't even see that. 1098 01:07:56,614 --> 01:08:00,983 They were so full of their predictions of what was gonna happen, 1099 01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:02,701 they didn't even look at the fight. 1100 01:08:02,829 --> 01:08:04,695 George just couldn't get off. 1101 01:08:04,831 --> 01:08:07,869 He's gonna have to punch and try to club him and keep feeding him. 1102 01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:10,083 But I don't think that's gonna happen. 1103 01:08:11,087 --> 01:08:14,375 George refuses to sit down between rounds, Gil, and stands up. 1104 01:08:14,507 --> 01:08:17,124 Does that make it harder for the cut man to do his work? 1105 01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:21,379 You know, I was so big if I sat down, I wouldn't be able to get up. 1106 01:08:21,514 --> 01:08:24,131 That's why I didn't sit. 1107 01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:27,183 They threw equal punches in round number one, 1108 01:08:27,312 --> 01:08:29,019 but according to punch stat numbers, 1109 01:08:29,147 --> 01:08:32,560 Moorer landed at twice as high a rate. 1110 01:08:35,069 --> 01:08:37,777 Sharp right by Moorer who seems to be gaining confidence. 1111 01:08:39,282 --> 01:08:41,023 Good right hand by Moorer. 1112 01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:46,077 Moorer misses with the right, but lands the left. 1113 01:08:46,205 --> 01:08:49,243 Going into the fight I gave George a good shot, 1114 01:08:49,375 --> 01:08:53,414 but as the, as the fight went on, round after round, 1115 01:08:53,546 --> 01:08:54,877 you start losing hope. 1116 01:08:55,006 --> 01:08:58,419 You just say, "Maybe it just isn't meant to be." 1117 01:09:01,721 --> 01:09:05,305 George's left eye is starting to swell already. 1118 01:09:07,644 --> 01:09:10,386 Solid left hand over the top by Moorer! 1119 01:09:10,521 --> 01:09:13,013 Backing Foreman up again. 1120 01:09:14,525 --> 01:09:17,734 The heavy blows in that round were landed by the champion. 1121 01:09:22,367 --> 01:09:24,278 Harold Lederman, how do you see it so far? 1122 01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:27,948 LEDERMAN". Jim, four rounds to nothing, 40 to 36, Michael Moorer. 1123 01:09:28,081 --> 01:09:29,788 Boxing judges are definitely... 1124 01:09:29,916 --> 01:09:31,827 It wasn't even a close fight 1125 01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:34,872 and Moorer was winning every round. 1126 01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:37,496 I'll be... Even myself I gave up hope. 1127 01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:42,251 In round four, Moorer stepped up his activity level. 1128 01:09:42,428 --> 01:09:44,169 He threw 65 punches in that round. 1129 01:09:45,932 --> 01:09:49,391 Michael Mccrer, it's locking as though his respect for Foreman decreases 1130 01:09:49,519 --> 01:09:50,600 from round to round. 1131 01:09:50,728 --> 01:09:52,639 I have a sense here, Gil, 1132 01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:56,060 that Moorer feels as though he has felt Foreman's power 1133 01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:57,682 and it's not gonna hurt him. 1134 01:09:57,819 --> 01:10:00,151 And I remember my wife sitting next to me 1135 01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:05,319 and she said, "Don't get yourself down. It's hopeless." 1136 01:10:06,869 --> 01:10:08,780 Seven rounds in the books. 1137 01:10:08,913 --> 01:10:10,779 Harold Lederman, how do you see it so far? 1138 01:10:10,915 --> 01:10:14,533 Jim, six rounds to one, 69-64, 1139 01:10:14,669 --> 01:10:16,910 commanding five-point lead for Michael Moorer. 1140 01:10:17,046 --> 01:10:19,504 So, he win the round. 1141 01:10:19,632 --> 01:10:23,626 That's not my aim to win the round. 1142 01:10:23,761 --> 01:10:26,253 Now I'm looking for a knockout, though, that's for sure. 1143 01:10:29,475 --> 01:10:32,433 Solid right hand by Moorer. 1144 01:10:32,562 --> 01:10:35,179 Foreman's left eye beginning to close. 1145 01:10:36,107 --> 01:10:40,271 Much quicker getting his punches away than George. That's no big surprise. 1146 01:10:40,403 --> 01:10:43,191 He catches me asleep. He got me with two of them. 1147 01:10:44,157 --> 01:10:47,195 And I can say that didn't hurt, but I'd be lying. 1148 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,202 I'd be telling a lie. 1149 01:10:53,374 --> 01:10:55,365 There are the right hands. 1150 01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:57,617 Moorer landing two in rapid-fire succession. 1151 01:10:59,088 --> 01:11:01,079 Left hand over the top lands for Moorer. 1152 01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:03,206 Foreman takes another step backward. 1153 01:11:03,342 --> 01:11:07,961 I'm surprised Moorer is just out there fencing with George. 1154 01:11:08,097 --> 01:11:10,759 I think he thinks he's gonna knock him out. 1155 01:11:10,892 --> 01:11:14,101 I thought that he would fight cautiously and work for a decision. 1156 01:11:14,228 --> 01:11:15,389 But he now looks to me 1157 01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:18,354 as though he thinks he's gonna be able to knock Foreman out 1158 01:11:18,483 --> 01:11:21,851 and he thinks he'll do it by standing in front of him and trading shots. 1159 01:11:22,737 --> 01:11:26,275 I-l felt that Moorer disrespect him 1160 01:11:26,407 --> 01:11:32,244 because he wanted to knock him out, more so than just beat him, you know? 1161 01:11:32,371 --> 01:11:35,329 You know, I wanted to knock George out, 1162 01:11:35,458 --> 01:11:38,701 but I hit him with 17 punches unanswered 1163 01:11:38,836 --> 01:11:40,577 and, and he still stayed up. 1164 01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:46,708 Upper cut by Moorer, blasted Foreman's chin backward. 1165 01:11:48,387 --> 01:11:52,096 But you notice, he hit me and didn't run away 1166 01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:56,344 and I'm really thinking, this is delicious. 1167 01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:57,935 I don't like being hit now, 1168 01:11:58,064 --> 01:12:01,898 but the idea that someone is hitting me and standing right there? 1169 01:12:02,026 --> 01:12:03,937 You're supposed to run. 1170 01:12:05,363 --> 01:12:06,694 I barely missed him then. 1171 01:12:06,823 --> 01:12:09,190 You can see, in another round I'll get a little closer. 1172 01:12:11,536 --> 01:12:13,948 And George makes it out of the round 1173 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,289 that bedeviled him in Zaire 20 years ago. 1174 01:12:21,295 --> 01:12:24,287 That's the moment I was really tired, about the ninth round, 1175 01:12:24,423 --> 01:12:26,790 when I hear that ten-second, ding, ding, 1176 01:12:26,926 --> 01:12:28,963 I was like, "I can't wait to get to my corner." 1177 01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:33,095 And in the corner, Angelo Dundee upset me. 1178 01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:36,387 He came back and started talking about, 1179 01:12:36,519 --> 01:12:38,977 "I hate to say it, but you're falling behind on points," 1180 01:12:39,105 --> 01:12:42,097 and I got so upset. 1181 01:12:42,233 --> 01:12:45,521 Like I said, I'm not trying to win a fight on points. 1182 01:12:45,653 --> 01:12:49,021 In round nine, George Foreman threw only 35 punches. 1183 01:12:49,156 --> 01:12:51,818 His activity level dropping now. 1184 01:12:53,411 --> 01:12:55,573 Earlier in the fight, he was routinely throwing 1185 01:12:55,705 --> 01:12:57,616 between 50 and 60 punches in each round. 1186 01:13:01,168 --> 01:13:03,535 Right hand landed there and another. 1187 01:13:05,172 --> 01:13:07,459 A right and a left and suddenly Moorer stops bunting 1188 01:13:07,592 --> 01:13:09,174 and it's Foreman's initiative. 1189 01:13:10,261 --> 01:13:13,379 There's that competitive spirit of George's again. 1190 01:13:13,514 --> 01:13:16,597 He feels he's nailed Moorer with a good punch and he's a good finisher. 1191 01:13:16,726 --> 01:13:19,013 He knows how to do it, but he's in with a tough guy. 1192 01:13:19,145 --> 01:13:22,558 The punch is the only thing that followed me all my life. 1193 01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:28,060 Went into the ring the first time and I hit a guy and he went down 1194 01:13:28,195 --> 01:13:30,983 and I said, "What happened? I thought we were supposed to box." 1195 01:13:31,949 --> 01:13:34,566 Give him all the credit in the world, 1196 01:13:34,702 --> 01:13:38,411 but, again, he's a 45-year-old man in a young man's game. 1197 01:13:38,539 --> 01:13:40,576 In the first nine rounds of fight, 1198 01:13:40,708 --> 01:13:45,327 he, he doesn't throw a single meaningful left hook. 1199 01:13:45,463 --> 01:13:46,919 If you watch that last round, 1200 01:13:47,048 --> 01:13:49,380 in the first 30 or 40 seconds of that last round, 1201 01:13:49,508 --> 01:13:52,250 he throws two big sweeping left hooks. 1202 01:13:53,596 --> 01:13:56,088 Foreman wading in to set up a left hook. 1203 01:13:56,223 --> 01:13:57,964 And another left hook! 1204 01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:00,467 And another left hook shot that missed. 1205 01:14:00,603 --> 01:14:05,814 And that was for the purpose of stopping Michael from moving in this direction 1206 01:14:05,942 --> 01:14:10,231 and making him be stationary, so that George could knock him out. 1207 01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:13,654 Right hand landing for Foreman. 1208 01:14:13,783 --> 01:14:16,150 He's had a pretty good round here in number ten. 1209 01:14:18,746 --> 01:14:21,283 That's the best right hand in the fight. 1210 01:14:21,415 --> 01:14:23,952 Down goes Moorer on a right hand! 1211 01:14:24,085 --> 01:14:26,952 An unbelievably close and right-hand shot. 1212 01:14:32,551 --> 01:14:37,842 After those months of talking to George and George, you know, predicting for me, 1213 01:14:37,974 --> 01:14:39,464 what was going to happen, 1214 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,591 suddenly I'm looking at Moorer on the canvas. 1215 01:14:41,727 --> 01:14:45,561 The first thought in my mind is, "Why didn't I formulate a line for this?" 1216 01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:49,399 Five, six, seven, eight... 1217 01:14:49,527 --> 01:14:52,235 You would have thought that I might be well prepared enough 1218 01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:56,527 to at least have thought of some reasonable thing to say. 1219 01:14:56,701 --> 01:14:59,318 That George is going to win the heavyweight championship again 1220 01:14:59,453 --> 01:15:01,364 because Moorer is not gonna get up. 1221 01:15:01,497 --> 01:15:03,579 He's not gonna beat this count. 1222 01:15:03,708 --> 01:15:05,949 And all I could think to myself is, "You idiot." 1223 01:15:06,085 --> 01:15:09,328 "You didn't prepare in the way that you should have." 1224 01:15:09,463 --> 01:15:12,376 And the only thing that came to mind was... 1225 01:15:12,508 --> 01:15:15,341 It happened! It happened! 1226 01:15:20,474 --> 01:15:24,763 I can't believe it! I can't believe it. 1227 01:15:28,107 --> 01:15:29,973 "It happened, it happened" 1228 01:15:30,109 --> 01:15:32,771 sounds like it's about "OK, he knocked out Michael Moorer." 1229 01:15:32,903 --> 01:15:36,362 But to me it was all the stuff he told me. 1230 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:40,074 Everything he said to me for months about what was going to happen. 1231 01:15:40,202 --> 01:15:42,318 It happened. 1232 01:15:42,455 --> 01:15:44,196 I will say, to my dying day, 1233 01:15:44,331 --> 01:15:46,663 "Yes, he issued the prophecy." 1234 01:15:46,792 --> 01:15:48,749 "He said it would work that way." 1235 01:15:50,796 --> 01:15:52,628 Look at Bob Arum. 1236 01:15:52,757 --> 01:15:55,340 He grabbed me. He said, "Praise the Lord!" 1237 01:15:57,386 --> 01:15:59,798 I jumped in the ring 1238 01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:01,671 and went over to him and hugged him 1239 01:16:01,807 --> 01:16:04,890 and that's one of my favorite pictures. 1240 01:16:05,019 --> 01:16:09,479 As referee Joe Cortez waved his arms over Moorer, 1241 01:16:09,607 --> 01:16:14,147 George Foreman knelt in prayer in the neutral corner. 1242 01:16:14,278 --> 01:16:17,066 You know, this is a two-to-one fight, 1243 01:16:17,198 --> 01:16:20,566 but in my mind it was gazillion to one that George Foreman 1244 01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:23,159 could ever win the heavyweight championship again. 1245 01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:27,538 This is a really remarkable achievement. 1246 01:16:27,666 --> 01:16:29,748 That's the one thing I said George couldn't do. 1247 01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:31,584 He couldn't get you out with one punch. 1248 01:16:31,712 --> 01:16:34,044 But, boy, he sure fooled me and Michael Moorer. 1249 01:16:35,132 --> 01:16:37,464 It landed on the point of the chin. 1250 01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:39,800 Right on the button where it says goodnight. 1251 01:16:41,722 --> 01:16:46,137 You see the blood welling up behind Moorerk lips 1252 01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:49,101 as he momentarily went to sleep. 1253 01:16:51,982 --> 01:16:55,771 The 68th man in 26 years 1254 01:16:55,903 --> 01:17:00,648 to have fallen before the professional fury of George Foreman. 1255 01:17:00,783 --> 01:17:03,024 FOREMAN JR". It was unbelievable to me. 1256 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:07,324 I just remembered him talking to me when I was in the seventh grade. 1257 01:17:07,456 --> 01:17:11,165 I'm playing college basketball now, I'm a grown man, 1258 01:17:11,293 --> 01:17:14,957 and in the seventh grade he said I was gonna be the heavyweight champion. 1259 01:17:16,048 --> 01:17:19,541 So you've got a 45-year-old heavyweight champion. 1260 01:17:19,677 --> 01:17:22,715 Let's go to Michael Buffer for the official particulars. 1261 01:17:22,847 --> 01:17:27,387 Here at the MGM Grand, the impossible dream has happened. 1262 01:17:27,518 --> 01:17:29,054 The winner 1263 01:17:29,186 --> 01:17:34,932 and once again heavyweight champion of world, 1264 01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:38,401 Big George 1265 01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:41,442 Foreman. 1266 01:18:04,096 --> 01:18:06,633 George, you're a far different fighter 1267 01:18:06,765 --> 01:18:10,133 than you were when last I saw you 20 years ago. 1268 01:18:10,269 --> 01:18:14,479 Would George Foreman today have stood a chance against that George Foreman? 1269 01:18:14,607 --> 01:18:16,769 No doubt about it cos I'm using brain power now. 1270 01:18:16,901 --> 01:18:18,391 You would have stood a chance? 1271 01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:19,983 I would have gotten out of the way 1272 01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:22,695 and then waited and knocked a young George Foreman out. 1273 01:18:25,534 --> 01:18:28,026 In my opinion, the second George Foreman 1274 01:18:28,162 --> 01:18:29,744 would have beaten the first one 1275 01:18:29,872 --> 01:18:33,456 cos he was smarter, he was calmer, he was more patient. 1276 01:18:33,584 --> 01:18:34,949 He didn't get excited. 1277 01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:41,039 He was so much the opposite of, of the first guy. 1278 01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:43,837 Right hand landed there. And another. 1279 01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:45,801 Smarter. Better. 1280 01:18:45,930 --> 01:18:48,922 More well rounded. Greater technical craft. 1281 01:18:49,058 --> 01:18:52,301 Number two George beats number one George, I'm pretty sure. 1282 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,722 If the old George Foreman had fought Muhammad in Zaire, 1283 01:18:57,858 --> 01:19:00,771 he wouldn't have been affected by Zaire. 1284 01:19:00,903 --> 01:19:03,770 If he'd have been the guy that he was when he came back, 1285 01:19:03,906 --> 01:19:06,022 it would have been maybe a different ball game. 1286 01:19:08,661 --> 01:19:13,576 I love my promotional career having been associated with him 1287 01:19:13,707 --> 01:19:15,994 and to see what he became, 1288 01:19:16,126 --> 01:19:20,336 both as an athlete, but more important as a person. 1289 01:19:22,675 --> 01:19:26,384 Well, he became this beloved figure. 1290 01:19:26,512 --> 01:19:29,880 Um, we can change. 1291 01:19:30,015 --> 01:19:35,852 This is a country where people come to reinvent themselves. 1292 01:19:37,523 --> 01:19:39,184 He, he made a transition. 1293 01:19:40,818 --> 01:19:43,310 And it's one of the things that a lot of people think, 1294 01:19:43,445 --> 01:19:46,733 being that bad guy, it's easier. 1295 01:19:46,865 --> 01:19:48,731 But my mama always told me, 1296 01:19:48,867 --> 01:19:53,407 "Ah, well, you be that bad guy and you really not that bad guy," 1297 01:19:53,539 --> 01:19:56,702 they gonna hold you there a lot longer than you want to be." 1298 01:19:56,834 --> 01:19:59,872 All right? So my mama... "Never pretend to be something that you not." 1299 01:20:02,673 --> 01:20:06,541 FOREMAN". I was victorious that night and celebrated the best I could, 1300 01:20:06,677 --> 01:20:09,009 but I thought about Michael Moorer 1301 01:20:09,138 --> 01:20:12,972 and the night I lost the championship by surprise to Muhammad Ali. 1302 01:20:14,101 --> 01:20:15,967 And I sat in my dressing room. 1303 01:20:16,103 --> 01:20:18,140 Joe Frazier came to the room 1304 01:20:18,272 --> 01:20:20,934 and sat with me and consoled me. 1305 01:20:23,027 --> 01:20:27,442 Of all the people in the world it was Joe Frazier to come and comfort me. 1306 01:20:27,573 --> 01:20:31,407 And I hoped Michael Moorer was able to find that person in his room that night. 1307 01:20:33,078 --> 01:20:36,070 You know, to me, George Foreman 1308 01:20:36,206 --> 01:20:39,665 is the last great American heavyweight. There hasn't been a better one since 1309 01:20:39,793 --> 01:20:43,081 and there were very few better ones before him. 1310 01:20:45,090 --> 01:20:48,879 I think it's one of the greatest individual accomplishments in sports 1311 01:20:49,011 --> 01:20:51,799 and I'm not certain to what you would compare it. 1312 01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:54,297 This man won what we used to call 1313 01:20:54,433 --> 01:20:58,097 the biggest individual prize in global sport. 1314 01:20:58,228 --> 01:21:00,720 Twice, 21 years apart, 1315 01:21:00,856 --> 01:21:02,642 as two different fighters 1316 01:21:02,775 --> 01:21:06,894 and even more to the point, as two different human beings. 1317 01:21:07,029 --> 01:21:10,067 You know that after beating Moorer that you'd finally exorcised 1318 01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:13,157 the bitter memory of your loss to Muhammad Ali. 1319 01:21:13,285 --> 01:21:15,697 You've heard from Muhammad since your victory, right? 1320 01:21:15,829 --> 01:21:17,319 He sent me a telegram and signed it. 1321 01:21:18,665 --> 01:21:22,579 You know, congratulations. You showed that you had the courage and the guts. 1322 01:21:23,796 --> 01:21:25,378 When that man tell you you got guts, 1323 01:21:25,506 --> 01:21:27,873 you feel like, "Hey, I've gotten there now." 1324 01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,101 George, nothing has symbolized you 1325 01:21:45,234 --> 01:21:47,692 as much as your farewell to boxing. 1326 01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:48,981 Thank you very much. 1327 01:21:49,113 --> 01:21:52,196 I wouldn't want it to do it with anyone better than Larry Merchant. 1328 01:21:52,324 --> 01:21:54,190 God bless you. 1329 01:21:54,326 --> 01:21:58,991 And remember the George Foreman Lean Mean Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine. 1330 01:21:59,123 --> 01:22:01,740 No home should be without this thing. God bless you. Go get one.118065

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