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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,554 --> 00:00:10,469 There's another one, 2 00:00:11,245 --> 00:00:13,472 down by the spa. 3 00:00:51,219 --> 00:00:53,370 You asked me how to get ahead at the firm. 4 00:00:54,295 --> 00:00:55,862 That's how you do it. 5 00:00:56,290 --> 00:00:59,300 What about merit? W-What about hard work? 6 00:01:00,519 --> 00:01:02,171 Let me explain something to you. 7 00:01:03,191 --> 00:01:04,975 For you to rise in the ranks, 8 00:01:05,018 --> 00:01:06,759 someone has to make room for you. 9 00:01:06,803 --> 00:01:08,065 They have to give up something, 10 00:01:08,108 --> 00:01:12,156 maybe a raise or part of a bonus. 11 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,637 Now why is someone going to be giving up something 12 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,205 unless they get something? 13 00:01:22,524 --> 00:01:24,603 Oh, geez. It's behind you, corner of the bar. 14 00:01:59,770 --> 00:02:03,214 M.E. January 5th, 9:40 p.m. 15 00:02:03,258 --> 00:02:05,078 Postmortem examination. 16 00:02:05,122 --> 00:02:09,218 External search: Negative. Internal trunk exploration: 17 00:02:09,261 --> 00:02:10,780 Negative. 18 00:02:10,823 --> 00:02:14,174 Forensic evidence discovered: None. 19 00:02:16,441 --> 00:02:18,356 How is that possible? 20 00:02:18,614 --> 00:02:20,093 Excuse me? 21 00:02:20,137 --> 00:02:22,573 This man's killed four women in a year and a half. 22 00:02:22,574 --> 00:02:25,099 How is it he can hide in women's bathrooms, 23 00:02:25,142 --> 00:02:27,362 chloroform his victims, undress them, 24 00:02:27,405 --> 00:02:29,668 undress himself, have sex with them, 25 00:02:29,712 --> 00:02:31,105 strangle them to death, 26 00:02:31,148 --> 00:02:33,324 and still not leave one bit of forensic evidence? 27 00:02:33,368 --> 00:02:35,935 Not one drop of semen? Not one fleck of skin? 28 00:02:35,979 --> 00:02:38,416 Listen, I know you're new here, but, uh, Dr...? 29 00:02:38,460 --> 00:02:40,418 Martin. Julia Martin. 30 00:02:40,462 --> 00:02:42,072 We're talking public bathrooms. 31 00:02:42,116 --> 00:02:44,683 They're a convention center of forensic evidence. 32 00:02:45,093 --> 00:02:47,182 The victims' bodies, that's another story. 33 00:02:47,359 --> 00:02:48,818 That's how we'll get him. 34 00:02:52,387 --> 00:02:54,084 Dr. Martin, you're still here? 35 00:02:54,128 --> 00:02:56,826 I'd like to take another look at Emily Baker's body. 36 00:02:57,411 --> 00:02:59,437 Eh, kind of late. Everyone's gone. 37 00:02:59,481 --> 00:03:01,483 That's okay. I'll be fine. 38 00:03:01,526 --> 00:03:03,792 I'll put everything back the way I found it. 39 00:03:07,917 --> 00:03:10,093 We're obviously thrilled that this afternoon, 40 00:03:10,118 --> 00:03:12,598 a jury of his peers convicted John Malford, 41 00:03:12,623 --> 00:03:15,365 otherwise known as the "Bathroom Stall Butcher," 42 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:17,566 for the murder of young Emily Baker. 43 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,763 Special thanks to the New York City Medical Examiner's Office, 44 00:03:20,806 --> 00:03:23,548 in particular to Julia Martin, 45 00:03:23,592 --> 00:03:25,985 whose tireless work led to the discovery of the pivotal piece 46 00:03:26,029 --> 00:03:28,510 of evidence against John Malford. 47 00:03:31,774 --> 00:03:34,994 Hi. Welcome to Billy's. 48 00:03:35,038 --> 00:03:38,433 If you're gonna be a successful attorney in Manhattan, 49 00:03:38,476 --> 00:03:40,435 this is a place you need to know about. 50 00:03:40,478 --> 00:03:42,654 Oh, I didn't even know there was a Billy's. 51 00:03:42,698 --> 00:03:46,239 Well, consider tonight as a part of your legal education. 52 00:03:46,264 --> 00:03:47,572 Thanks. 53 00:03:47,616 --> 00:03:50,401 As a matter of fact, FDR used to settle cases 54 00:03:50,445 --> 00:03:51,663 at that table right there 55 00:03:51,707 --> 00:03:53,578 - in the back. - Oh, I don't care about all that. 56 00:03:53,622 --> 00:03:55,406 Show me where the Benny Colón booth is. 57 00:03:55,450 --> 00:03:57,582 No, this ain't Dunkin' Donuts. 58 00:03:57,626 --> 00:03:59,497 Why don't you find us a table. 59 00:03:59,541 --> 00:04:00,974 I'll grab us some drinks. 60 00:04:01,651 --> 00:04:03,740 Benjamin Colón. 61 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:05,242 Stella! 62 00:04:05,286 --> 00:04:07,462 And Ryan. 63 00:04:07,505 --> 00:04:08,994 Wow... 64 00:04:09,038 --> 00:04:10,813 What is the occasion? 65 00:04:10,856 --> 00:04:12,510 You two look like a pair of breathalyzer tests 66 00:04:12,554 --> 00:04:13,729 waiting to happen. 67 00:04:13,772 --> 00:04:15,731 Well, truth is I have a pretty good shot 68 00:04:15,774 --> 00:04:17,231 at getting a client out of prison. 69 00:04:17,256 --> 00:04:18,822 Guy was put away for life, so... 70 00:04:18,847 --> 00:04:21,676 So what'd you do? You bake him a cake with a hacksaw in it? 71 00:04:24,957 --> 00:04:26,698 - One better. - Ah. 72 00:04:26,723 --> 00:04:28,812 I discovered the evidence that got him convicted 73 00:04:28,874 --> 00:04:30,354 may have been tampered with. 74 00:04:30,398 --> 00:04:31,703 - Seriously? - Yeah. 75 00:04:31,747 --> 00:04:33,531 By, uh, the police, or...? 76 00:04:33,575 --> 00:04:34,837 Medical Examiner's Office. 77 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,491 Yeah. I petitioned to have 78 00:04:36,534 --> 00:04:39,189 a client's DNA evidence retested 79 00:04:39,233 --> 00:04:42,148 and it came back... no match, not even close. 80 00:04:42,192 --> 00:04:44,238 Well, who's the medical examiner? 81 00:04:44,810 --> 00:04:46,762 You know Julia Martin? 82 00:04:46,805 --> 00:04:49,504 No, no, no, no. That must be a mistake. 83 00:04:49,547 --> 00:04:51,593 She was picked up this morning. 84 00:04:51,636 --> 00:04:53,638 D.A.'s office thinks it was intentional. 85 00:04:54,236 --> 00:04:55,684 Who is your client? 86 00:04:55,987 --> 00:04:59,514 Remember the "Bathroom Stall Butcher," John Malford? 87 00:04:59,557 --> 00:05:02,908 I hate trolling for cases. 88 00:05:02,952 --> 00:05:04,606 I like to be asked. 89 00:05:04,649 --> 00:05:06,434 I like to be the one who can say no. 90 00:05:06,477 --> 00:05:09,828 We are not trolling. We are offering our services. 91 00:05:09,872 --> 00:05:13,441 And trust me, so is every other A-list criminal firm in town. 92 00:05:13,484 --> 00:05:15,486 I mean, this is Julia Martin. 93 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:18,489 Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York. 94 00:05:18,533 --> 00:05:21,579 These are the kinds of cases that get the town talking. 95 00:05:21,623 --> 00:05:25,627 Plus, I know her. There's no way she'd tamper with evidence. 96 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:27,455 Well, obviously the D.A. doesn't agree with you 97 00:05:27,498 --> 00:05:28,804 or he wouldn't have arrested her. 98 00:05:28,847 --> 00:05:30,501 Plus, I know she has a big title, 99 00:05:30,545 --> 00:05:33,032 but at the end of the day she's just a civil servant. 100 00:05:33,033 --> 00:05:34,348 What are you trying to say? 101 00:05:34,392 --> 00:05:36,645 Well, is this another pro bono situation? 102 00:05:36,688 --> 00:05:40,214 Because, frankly, I've become such a pro at bono, 103 00:05:40,257 --> 00:05:43,391 I'm getting ready to start my own Irish rock band. 104 00:05:45,784 --> 00:05:49,266 You wake up in the morning and you go over in your head 105 00:05:49,310 --> 00:05:51,965 all those hundreds of things that you have to do this week. 106 00:05:52,008 --> 00:05:56,214 It just doesn't occur to you that you might get arrested. 107 00:05:56,795 --> 00:05:59,363 You might spend your first night in jail. 108 00:06:02,038 --> 00:06:04,954 I'm the Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York. 109 00:06:05,065 --> 00:06:06,675 We want to help you, Julia. 110 00:06:07,309 --> 00:06:10,200 You know I can't afford to pay top-shelf guys like you. 111 00:06:10,595 --> 00:06:11,552 We'll be fine. 112 00:06:11,577 --> 00:06:12,939 Will I be? 113 00:06:13,290 --> 00:06:16,032 I also can't afford for you to do a half-assed job 114 00:06:16,076 --> 00:06:18,643 because you're just in it for the free press. 115 00:06:19,029 --> 00:06:21,037 Keep in mind the best press for everyone 116 00:06:21,081 --> 00:06:22,647 is about your ultimate acquittal. 117 00:06:22,691 --> 00:06:24,432 You keep that in mind. 118 00:06:28,163 --> 00:06:31,874 All right then, I guess it's the two of you. 119 00:06:31,917 --> 00:06:33,180 Lucky us. 120 00:06:33,223 --> 00:06:36,096 So here's what I know. Six years ago, 121 00:06:36,121 --> 00:06:38,428 when I found that hair in the back of a woman's throat, 122 00:06:38,489 --> 00:06:42,276 it was a perfect match to John Malford's hair, perfect. 123 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:46,019 100%. I still have the evidence that says so, 124 00:06:46,062 --> 00:06:49,674 so I'm not clear exactly why we're here. 125 00:06:49,718 --> 00:06:51,372 The problem is Malford's attorney 126 00:06:51,415 --> 00:06:53,330 was running out of appeals, 127 00:06:53,374 --> 00:06:55,811 so he decided to throw a Hail Mary 128 00:06:55,854 --> 00:06:58,596 and petitioned for a new analysis of the hair, 129 00:06:59,194 --> 00:07:01,773 an outside analysis of the hair. 130 00:07:01,817 --> 00:07:05,212 And when an outside lab tested it, it came back negative. 131 00:07:05,255 --> 00:07:06,952 And after they popped their champagne, 132 00:07:06,996 --> 00:07:10,347 they sent it to three more labs, and it also came back negative. 133 00:07:10,391 --> 00:07:12,393 It didn't match Malford's hair at all. 134 00:07:12,436 --> 00:07:14,000 That's not plausible. 135 00:07:14,381 --> 00:07:18,124 Someone switched the hairs, or they tested the wrong hair. 136 00:07:18,268 --> 00:07:20,140 Julia, it's completely plausible. 137 00:07:20,183 --> 00:07:22,577 You don't have to agree with it, but it's certainly plausible. 138 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:24,013 No. You're wrong. It isn't. 139 00:07:25,558 --> 00:07:28,409 There's no circumstance under which I would ever 140 00:07:28,452 --> 00:07:30,585 tamper with evidence in any case. 141 00:07:30,628 --> 00:07:32,019 Everyone knows this about me. 142 00:07:32,063 --> 00:07:35,242 No. Everyone does not. 143 00:07:35,285 --> 00:07:36,606 Think about it. 144 00:07:38,158 --> 00:07:41,335 You performed the examination sometime after midnight. 145 00:07:41,378 --> 00:07:43,293 You were alone in the autopsy room, 146 00:07:43,337 --> 00:07:45,382 and lack of plausibility is not the argument 147 00:07:45,426 --> 00:07:47,080 that's gonna win the case for you. 148 00:07:47,492 --> 00:07:50,561 Okay. You know that it was a pubic hair. 149 00:07:50,605 --> 00:07:52,346 Right? It was a man's pubic hair. 150 00:07:52,389 --> 00:07:56,263 I found it in the deepest recesses of her esophagus. 151 00:07:56,306 --> 00:08:00,397 So let's say that I am going to plant a hair. 152 00:08:00,441 --> 00:08:02,791 Where would I have gotten a male pubic hair from? 153 00:08:02,834 --> 00:08:05,837 Oh, come on. Those can't be that hard to come by in the morgue. 154 00:08:05,881 --> 00:08:07,709 Is it possible you made a mistake? 155 00:08:08,221 --> 00:08:10,059 - Excuse me? - I mean, maybe 156 00:08:10,103 --> 00:08:12,279 you thought you found evidence 157 00:08:12,322 --> 00:08:14,498 that was relevant to the case, but it wasn't. 158 00:08:14,542 --> 00:08:16,326 Emily might've 159 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:18,720 indulged in oral sex with someone else, 160 00:08:18,763 --> 00:08:21,592 consensual contact. You did an autopsy. 161 00:08:21,636 --> 00:08:24,726 You found this hair. It was a mistake. 162 00:08:24,769 --> 00:08:29,078 No, that's not possible. I ran every test that there was. 163 00:08:29,122 --> 00:08:31,515 I ran every test myself. That was his hair. 164 00:08:31,559 --> 00:08:32,734 Keep in mind, 165 00:08:32,777 --> 00:08:35,040 if it was truly a mistake, 166 00:08:35,084 --> 00:08:37,125 then there is no criminal intent. 167 00:08:37,478 --> 00:08:40,754 If there is no criminal intent, then there's no crime. 168 00:08:41,202 --> 00:08:43,639 Mistakes. Everybody makes them. 169 00:08:46,176 --> 00:08:49,881 So you're telling me, if I say that I made a mistake, 170 00:08:49,925 --> 00:08:51,492 the charges might be withdrawn? 171 00:08:51,535 --> 00:08:53,755 Well, it's certainly something I'd like to take to the D.A. 172 00:08:53,798 --> 00:08:55,844 I can't imagine that they would want to go forward 173 00:08:55,887 --> 00:08:57,106 with this trial. 174 00:08:59,761 --> 00:09:02,503 - I can't. - You can't what? 175 00:09:02,528 --> 00:09:03,747 I can't say that 176 00:09:03,808 --> 00:09:05,922 because I don't make mistakes, 177 00:09:05,966 --> 00:09:08,422 not when it comes to forensic science. 178 00:09:09,157 --> 00:09:13,122 Does that change anything for the two of you? 179 00:09:15,646 --> 00:09:20,303 Just makes the job harder, but we didn't take up the offer 180 00:09:20,328 --> 00:09:22,547 because we thought it was gonna be easy. 181 00:09:22,572 --> 00:09:26,793 We told you we wanted to defend you, and we mean it. 182 00:09:28,355 --> 00:09:30,053 So what's the plan? 183 00:09:30,357 --> 00:09:31,880 Well, to get you out on bail, for starters. 184 00:09:31,905 --> 00:09:33,690 I'll talk to the D.A. in the morning, get a lay 185 00:09:33,838 --> 00:09:36,101 of the land and see what they think they have on you. 186 00:09:36,145 --> 00:09:37,407 Dr. Martin. 187 00:09:39,562 --> 00:09:41,542 Julia. 188 00:09:46,503 --> 00:09:47,654 Thank you. 189 00:09:49,463 --> 00:09:51,324 - Did you say... - Thank you. 190 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,381 You're welcome. 191 00:09:56,557 --> 00:10:02,743 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 192 00:10:03,778 --> 00:10:05,780 The truth is you know she couldn't have done this. 193 00:10:05,824 --> 00:10:09,068 She'd rather cut off her own arm than give you a false report. 194 00:10:09,112 --> 00:10:10,522 And yet, she did. 195 00:10:10,566 --> 00:10:12,891 You think I'm looking to take down a medical examiner? 196 00:10:12,916 --> 00:10:14,483 We work with them every day. 197 00:10:14,527 --> 00:10:16,768 I've had these results checked and rechecked 198 00:10:16,812 --> 00:10:19,184 with four different labs. She screwed up, 199 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:20,707 which makes all of us look bad. 200 00:10:20,750 --> 00:10:22,448 Have you actually considered the repercussions of this? 201 00:10:22,491 --> 00:10:26,141 You convict the Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York, 202 00:10:26,185 --> 00:10:28,149 and you are handing a "get out of jail free" card 203 00:10:28,193 --> 00:10:29,890 to everyone you've ever put behind bars. 204 00:10:29,933 --> 00:10:33,502 You will have a mile-long line of attorneys out your door 205 00:10:33,546 --> 00:10:35,867 claiming that their clients were falsely convicted. 206 00:10:35,911 --> 00:10:37,245 Is that what you want? 207 00:10:38,997 --> 00:10:40,553 Your discovery packet. 208 00:10:40,596 --> 00:10:42,337 Assuming you're still gonna want the case 209 00:10:42,381 --> 00:10:43,817 once you see what's in there. 210 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,757 Okay, what's in there? 211 00:10:46,129 --> 00:10:48,909 Julia's first examination of Emily Baker's corpse, 212 00:10:48,952 --> 00:10:50,519 she came up with nothing. 213 00:10:51,634 --> 00:10:54,411 Okay, so she found the evidence the second time through. 214 00:10:54,436 --> 00:10:57,807 And that's fine, except she completely deleted the first report. 215 00:10:57,850 --> 00:10:59,504 The one where she came up empty, 216 00:10:59,548 --> 00:11:02,768 just plucked it out of the system like it never happened. 217 00:11:02,812 --> 00:11:04,422 That's a big no-no. 218 00:11:04,466 --> 00:11:05,989 Okay. 219 00:11:06,032 --> 00:11:09,209 You know it's a breach of protocol to delete any reports. 220 00:11:09,253 --> 00:11:11,734 Even ones that are later replaced by updated results, 221 00:11:11,777 --> 00:11:13,387 and you know why. 222 00:11:13,431 --> 00:11:17,435 Because it can be construed as consciousness of guilt. 223 00:11:19,132 --> 00:11:20,917 Julia's the best there is. 224 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,125 Do you think she'd accidentally forget protocol? 225 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:27,140 She couldn't find any evidence on the dead girl, 226 00:11:27,184 --> 00:11:29,534 she decided to take matters into her own hands 227 00:11:29,578 --> 00:11:31,014 and create some. 228 00:11:36,012 --> 00:11:37,455 Oh, here's the bail agreement. 229 00:11:37,499 --> 00:11:39,022 - Is she on her way? - Already here. 230 00:11:39,065 --> 00:11:41,328 She and Benny are waiting in your office. 231 00:11:41,372 --> 00:11:45,158 Assistant District Attorney Williams is not your friend. 232 00:11:45,202 --> 00:11:46,943 I never said that he was. 233 00:11:46,986 --> 00:11:50,026 He's claiming you destroyed an official autopsy report. 234 00:11:51,469 --> 00:11:54,428 Did you write an official report stating that you didn't find 235 00:11:54,472 --> 00:11:57,606 any physical evidence after your examination of Emily Baker 236 00:11:57,649 --> 00:12:01,297 and then delete that report from the official citywide records? 237 00:12:01,341 --> 00:12:02,458 Yes. 238 00:12:02,895 --> 00:12:04,047 It was... 239 00:12:04,090 --> 00:12:05,614 years ago. I mean... 240 00:12:05,657 --> 00:12:07,511 You have to know how bad that's gonna look to a jury. 241 00:12:07,555 --> 00:12:09,221 That first report was useless. 242 00:12:09,265 --> 00:12:12,055 It only said that I didn't find anything. 243 00:12:12,098 --> 00:12:13,622 Yes, but in a court of law, 244 00:12:13,665 --> 00:12:16,799 it's going to look like a prior inconsistent statement. 245 00:12:17,554 --> 00:12:19,584 You weren't supposed to delete it. 246 00:12:19,628 --> 00:12:23,066 You were supposed to keep it and turn it over in discovery. 247 00:12:23,109 --> 00:12:24,676 No, I wasn't gonna do that. 248 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,678 Malford's lawyers would've just used it 249 00:12:26,722 --> 00:12:30,726 to-to call in to question the evidence that I did find. 250 00:12:30,769 --> 00:12:32,162 I know how these people operate. 251 00:12:32,205 --> 00:12:36,470 Julia, that first report is still evidence. 252 00:12:36,514 --> 00:12:38,255 You can't just destroy evidence 253 00:12:38,298 --> 00:12:39,865 because it doesn't suit your needs. 254 00:12:39,909 --> 00:12:43,652 Okay, technically, that first report was about an absence 255 00:12:43,695 --> 00:12:46,263 of evidence, which isn't really evidence. 256 00:12:46,306 --> 00:12:47,830 Okay, all right. 257 00:12:47,873 --> 00:12:50,397 The bottom line is, and-and I know 258 00:12:50,441 --> 00:12:52,835 you couldn't see the future from where you were standing, 259 00:12:52,878 --> 00:12:55,141 you didn't do yourself any favors. 260 00:12:55,185 --> 00:12:58,754 The D.A.'s office is gonna say that you intentionally deleted 261 00:12:58,797 --> 00:13:01,408 that report to make it easier for you 262 00:13:01,452 --> 00:13:02,845 to intentionally plant the evidence. 263 00:13:02,888 --> 00:13:04,673 But that isn't what actually happened. 264 00:13:04,716 --> 00:13:06,892 Even if it looks like that's what happened. 265 00:13:06,936 --> 00:13:09,286 It really boils down to this: either you made a mistake, 266 00:13:09,311 --> 00:13:12,271 or someone, quite possibly you, is guilty of malfeasance. 267 00:13:12,296 --> 00:13:14,864 Well, Danny's already looking into malfeasance. 268 00:13:14,944 --> 00:13:18,425 She's trying to find anyone with the means and motive 269 00:13:18,469 --> 00:13:19,775 to have switched out the hairs. 270 00:13:19,818 --> 00:13:23,648 Which in the meantime leaves us with: mistake. 271 00:13:23,692 --> 00:13:25,650 As I've already explained to you, 272 00:13:25,694 --> 00:13:27,930 I don't make those kinds of mistakes. 273 00:13:27,955 --> 00:13:30,071 Well, then someone else did. 274 00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:33,615 In either event, we need to follow chain of custody. 275 00:13:33,658 --> 00:13:37,216 I need to know everyone who had access to that hair. 276 00:13:37,662 --> 00:13:39,708 Julia, can you talk to my investigator, 277 00:13:39,751 --> 00:13:42,711 talk to her about how evidence is catalogued and stored, 278 00:13:42,754 --> 00:13:44,582 who had access, how they get access? 279 00:13:44,626 --> 00:13:46,192 - Of course. - Excellent. 280 00:13:47,226 --> 00:13:49,761 Well, then, Mr. Colón and I will see you in court 281 00:13:49,786 --> 00:13:51,788 later this afternoon. 282 00:13:53,775 --> 00:13:55,288 Everything all right? 283 00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:57,334 I guess. 284 00:13:57,779 --> 00:13:59,906 I just realized I don't know where to go. 285 00:14:00,555 --> 00:14:03,296 And what to do until court. 286 00:14:03,514 --> 00:14:06,560 You know, my first instinct is to rush back to the morgue 287 00:14:06,585 --> 00:14:09,207 and then I remembered that I can't. 288 00:14:16,635 --> 00:14:18,383 Not to worry. 289 00:14:20,749 --> 00:14:22,707 It is gonna be tough to find jurors 290 00:14:22,732 --> 00:14:24,037 who aren't put off by our client. 291 00:14:24,062 --> 00:14:25,538 Mm. 292 00:14:25,563 --> 00:14:29,614 Maybe we should look for people who only see the best in others. 293 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:32,773 Actually, I was thinking just the opposite. 294 00:14:32,891 --> 00:14:35,894 What? People who only see the worst? 295 00:14:35,938 --> 00:14:37,678 You ever heard of Hanlon's razor? 296 00:14:37,721 --> 00:14:38,984 No. 297 00:14:39,028 --> 00:14:40,638 "Never attribute to malice 298 00:14:40,682 --> 00:14:43,467 that which is adequately explained by stupidity." 299 00:14:43,510 --> 00:14:46,078 We need people who will look at this situation 300 00:14:46,103 --> 00:14:49,889 Julia's gotten into and think, "This isn't some big conspiracy. 301 00:14:49,952 --> 00:14:52,911 This is probably just someone's stupid mistake." 302 00:14:52,955 --> 00:14:54,913 Good afternoon. 303 00:14:54,957 --> 00:14:59,004 So let's say you send an e-mail to your boss 304 00:14:59,048 --> 00:15:00,702 asking him for time off. 305 00:15:00,745 --> 00:15:03,443 A day goes by and he doesn't respond. 306 00:15:03,487 --> 00:15:04,836 What do you make of that? 307 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,664 He's busy. 308 00:15:06,708 --> 00:15:08,274 I like her. Tell me why I shouldn't. 309 00:15:08,318 --> 00:15:10,015 Jennifer Thomas, single mom, 310 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,826 43 years old, two kids and you are going to hate this: 311 00:15:13,851 --> 00:15:16,897 she works at an insurance company as a claims manager. 312 00:15:19,895 --> 00:15:21,853 Can I pick 'em or can I pick 'em? 313 00:15:21,897 --> 00:15:25,204 Probably spends her days looking at inflated insurance claims. 314 00:15:25,229 --> 00:15:27,753 She's the very definition of what we don't want. 315 00:15:27,816 --> 00:15:29,513 We'd like to thank and excuse this juror, Your Honor. 316 00:15:32,255 --> 00:15:34,213 Personally? 317 00:15:34,257 --> 00:15:36,955 I hate it when people don't respond to my e-mails. 318 00:15:36,999 --> 00:15:38,296 Why is that? 319 00:15:38,340 --> 00:15:41,424 Well, they're trying to tell me that I don't matter. 320 00:15:43,135 --> 00:15:45,094 I guess I figured he didn't get the e-mail, 321 00:15:45,137 --> 00:15:47,270 or maybe he deleted it by accident. 322 00:15:47,313 --> 00:15:50,053 Because anyone can make an honest mistake, right? 323 00:15:50,096 --> 00:15:51,535 Sure. 324 00:15:53,721 --> 00:15:56,071 This juror's acceptable to the defense, Your Honor. 325 00:15:56,235 --> 00:15:58,983 Then, ladies and gentlemen, we have our jury. 326 00:15:59,614 --> 00:16:01,572 Trial will commence tomorrow morning. 327 00:16:01,596 --> 00:16:02,771 Court is adjourned. 328 00:16:04,922 --> 00:16:07,011 This thing that you're doing, it's not gonna work. 329 00:16:07,036 --> 00:16:09,865 I didn't make a mistake. I don't make mistakes. 330 00:16:10,453 --> 00:16:12,413 You're making one now. 331 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:14,974 So you were the lab tech on the Malford autopsies? 332 00:16:14,999 --> 00:16:16,610 It made my career. Julia's, too. 333 00:16:16,995 --> 00:16:19,128 I hear she's a tough boss. 334 00:16:19,171 --> 00:16:21,304 She's a little uptight. 335 00:16:21,347 --> 00:16:23,654 But honestly, that's what you need around here. 336 00:16:23,697 --> 00:16:26,004 And who handled the evidence besides Julia? 337 00:16:26,048 --> 00:16:27,440 No one. 338 00:16:27,484 --> 00:16:29,094 Really? 339 00:16:29,138 --> 00:16:32,010 Julia insisted on doing it all herself. 340 00:16:32,054 --> 00:16:33,580 All of it? 341 00:16:33,624 --> 00:16:35,840 She was certified to test DNA? 342 00:16:36,312 --> 00:16:38,397 She's kind of a control freak. 343 00:16:39,104 --> 00:16:42,891 So she put the hair in the bag, tested it, sealed it, 344 00:16:42,934 --> 00:16:45,110 signed it into the storage locker all by herself? 345 00:16:46,677 --> 00:16:48,200 Dr. Henson, 346 00:16:48,244 --> 00:16:50,463 you were the defendant's supervisor 347 00:16:50,507 --> 00:16:52,117 during the Malford investigation. 348 00:16:52,161 --> 00:16:54,463 There was a team of us working on it, 349 00:16:54,507 --> 00:16:57,209 looking for something of forensic value. 350 00:16:57,253 --> 00:16:59,385 And you didn't find anything, did you? 351 00:16:59,429 --> 00:17:00,526 No. 352 00:17:00,569 --> 00:17:03,041 But then, something happened. 353 00:17:03,085 --> 00:17:06,884 Dr. Martin stayed on after we completed the autopsy. 354 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:09,557 A few hours later, she notified me, 355 00:17:09,601 --> 00:17:11,690 said she found a hair. 356 00:17:12,056 --> 00:17:13,779 We were all stunned. 357 00:17:13,822 --> 00:17:15,258 Why? 358 00:17:15,302 --> 00:17:18,305 Well, we had searched every inch of the victim's body. 359 00:17:18,348 --> 00:17:20,394 - But you were pleased. - Of course. 360 00:17:20,437 --> 00:17:21,874 We all wanted to put an end 361 00:17:21,917 --> 00:17:24,190 to this horrible string of sexual attacks and murders. 362 00:17:24,233 --> 00:17:27,196 So you were proud of Dr. Martin? 363 00:17:28,197 --> 00:17:30,796 I was proud of our unit. 364 00:17:31,860 --> 00:17:34,428 I sense some hesitation on your behalf 365 00:17:34,453 --> 00:17:36,411 with regard to Dr. Martin. 366 00:17:37,164 --> 00:17:39,892 She has always been very diligent. 367 00:17:39,935 --> 00:17:41,284 Very determined. 368 00:17:41,328 --> 00:17:45,549 But frankly, she was very hard on people. 369 00:17:45,593 --> 00:17:47,813 She could be quite arrogant. 370 00:17:50,076 --> 00:17:51,304 Thank you. 371 00:17:51,519 --> 00:17:52,999 Nothing further. 372 00:17:57,736 --> 00:18:00,129 Good morning, Dr. Henson. 373 00:18:00,173 --> 00:18:01,897 I just need you 374 00:18:01,922 --> 00:18:03,881 to clear something up. 375 00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:06,005 You know, in the whole time that you ran 376 00:18:06,048 --> 00:18:10,444 the medical examiner's office, you never once did complain 377 00:18:10,487 --> 00:18:13,665 about my client's job performance, did you? 378 00:18:13,708 --> 00:18:16,232 Not in any performance review, 379 00:18:16,276 --> 00:18:18,974 not even casually, in a face-to-face with her, say, 380 00:18:19,018 --> 00:18:20,802 in your office? 381 00:18:20,846 --> 00:18:22,021 No. 382 00:18:22,064 --> 00:18:24,327 And isn't it true that she replaced you? 383 00:18:24,371 --> 00:18:27,374 That she went from being your subordinate to your supervisor? 384 00:18:27,417 --> 00:18:29,463 That's not how I would describe it. 385 00:18:29,506 --> 00:18:32,118 Ah, well, how would you describe it? 386 00:18:32,161 --> 00:18:35,948 I mean, uh, one day, she's working for you, 387 00:18:35,991 --> 00:18:38,951 and the next day, she's your boss. 388 00:18:38,994 --> 00:18:41,649 It stands to reason that you probably harbor 389 00:18:41,674 --> 00:18:44,067 some resentment towards Dr. Martin, wouldn't you say? 390 00:18:44,130 --> 00:18:45,348 Objection. 391 00:18:45,392 --> 00:18:47,350 Ask another question. 392 00:18:47,902 --> 00:18:51,485 I mean, she fired you. 393 00:18:51,528 --> 00:18:53,705 - Didn't she? - Objection. 394 00:18:53,748 --> 00:18:55,164 What's the relevance? 395 00:18:55,207 --> 00:18:57,360 It goes to bias, Your Honor. 396 00:18:57,404 --> 00:19:00,842 Dr. Henson is using this courtroom to settle a score. 397 00:19:00,886 --> 00:19:02,521 Overruled. 398 00:19:02,565 --> 00:19:04,237 Please answer the question. 399 00:19:04,794 --> 00:19:07,806 We had differences of opinion on a number of cases. 400 00:19:07,849 --> 00:19:11,635 But she has the right to work with whomever she chooses. 401 00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:17,598 I will admit that I did not like the way she operated the unit. 402 00:19:17,641 --> 00:19:21,763 In my opinion, she was obsessive. 403 00:19:21,806 --> 00:19:24,387 Determined to solve any case, no matter what. 404 00:19:24,431 --> 00:19:28,025 Sometimes even if the forensics did not bear her out. 405 00:19:29,068 --> 00:19:31,879 But again, that is your opinion. 406 00:19:32,744 --> 00:19:37,705 The opinion of the man she replaced and ultimately fired. 407 00:19:39,881 --> 00:19:41,448 Just my opinion. 408 00:19:41,665 --> 00:19:43,833 No further questions, Your Honor. 409 00:19:48,803 --> 00:19:50,283 This is the last of it. 410 00:19:50,326 --> 00:19:53,416 Every piece of information about the hair that exists. 411 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:55,897 Your original analysis, your second analysis, 412 00:19:55,941 --> 00:19:59,596 the independent analysis, photos, storage data. 413 00:20:05,150 --> 00:20:07,108 Anything jumping out at you? 414 00:20:07,648 --> 00:20:08,958 Not yet. 415 00:20:08,983 --> 00:20:11,115 I'm not trying to get out of anything, but honestly, 416 00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:13,621 I have no idea what I'm reading here. 417 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:14,979 Just give it to me. 418 00:20:16,091 --> 00:20:18,093 You, too. Give me yours. 419 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:29,583 You don't have to sit here. I don't need a babysitter. 420 00:20:32,595 --> 00:20:33,901 I'll be in my office. 421 00:20:33,926 --> 00:20:35,342 I'll be in my bed. 422 00:20:51,779 --> 00:20:53,415 Should I come back? 423 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,573 Of course not. What's up? 424 00:20:55,914 --> 00:20:57,132 Pollen. 425 00:20:57,490 --> 00:20:58,616 Excuse me? 426 00:20:58,926 --> 00:21:01,146 The hair all the outside labs have been testing 427 00:21:01,171 --> 00:21:02,870 is covered with pollen. 428 00:21:03,704 --> 00:21:05,615 And that matters because...? 429 00:21:05,658 --> 00:21:07,926 Well, to begin with, it makes me wonder 430 00:21:07,969 --> 00:21:09,988 whether the hair is actually a pubic hair at all. 431 00:21:10,013 --> 00:21:13,695 And if so, how it possibly came into contact with pollen. 432 00:21:14,798 --> 00:21:17,109 Well, I'm sure, with a little imagination, 433 00:21:17,152 --> 00:21:19,285 someone will come up with a scenario. 434 00:21:19,328 --> 00:21:22,264 Emily was murdered in the dead of winter. 435 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:26,994 And in the dead of winter, there is no pollen. 436 00:21:27,728 --> 00:21:32,080 This is not the hair I found on Emily's body. 437 00:21:35,637 --> 00:21:37,029 Dr. Martin, 438 00:21:37,073 --> 00:21:40,077 isn't it true that the night that you 439 00:21:40,121 --> 00:21:43,251 found the sole piece of DNA evidence against Mr. Malford, 440 00:21:43,276 --> 00:21:45,409 that everyone had gone home 441 00:21:45,453 --> 00:21:48,194 and you were completely alone with the victim's body? 442 00:21:48,238 --> 00:21:50,806 - Yes. - And do you regularly 443 00:21:50,831 --> 00:21:53,007 perform autopsies alone, 444 00:21:53,069 --> 00:21:55,419 late at night, when everyone's gone home for the day? 445 00:21:55,463 --> 00:21:56,681 Yes. 446 00:21:56,725 --> 00:21:58,553 And why is that? 447 00:21:58,596 --> 00:22:01,099 I have a really particular skill set, 448 00:22:01,142 --> 00:22:03,427 and I find that skill set works best 449 00:22:03,452 --> 00:22:05,367 when there's just two of us in the room. 450 00:22:05,429 --> 00:22:07,736 Myself, and the cadaver. 451 00:22:07,779 --> 00:22:11,696 Other people really just end up being distractions. 452 00:22:11,740 --> 00:22:14,438 All right. Let's talk about that. 453 00:22:14,482 --> 00:22:16,614 When you say that other people are distractions, 454 00:22:16,658 --> 00:22:20,139 it sounds very... negative. 455 00:22:20,183 --> 00:22:21,358 Very dismissive. 456 00:22:21,402 --> 00:22:22,968 One could easily get the impression 457 00:22:23,012 --> 00:22:25,188 that you just don't like people. 458 00:22:25,231 --> 00:22:27,851 And we want the jurors to like you. 459 00:22:27,895 --> 00:22:30,624 And it helps if they think you might like them. 460 00:22:31,959 --> 00:22:34,415 I don't know them. 461 00:22:34,458 --> 00:22:35,720 Of course. 462 00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:40,464 Okay, um, let's forget that line of thinking. 463 00:22:40,508 --> 00:22:43,032 Here's another reason why saying you find 464 00:22:43,057 --> 00:22:46,234 other people distracting might not serve your best interests: 465 00:22:46,259 --> 00:22:48,217 anything that makes it sound like you don't like 466 00:22:48,242 --> 00:22:50,418 having people around when you do your work 467 00:22:50,443 --> 00:22:52,401 might make the jurors think that you don't 468 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,068 want company because it makes it harder 469 00:22:55,093 --> 00:22:57,549 to manipulate evidence. 470 00:22:59,265 --> 00:23:00,919 You see that, right? 471 00:23:00,944 --> 00:23:03,468 - I don't manipulate evidence. - I know that. 472 00:23:03,493 --> 00:23:05,973 But you're-you're talking to people who don't know you. 473 00:23:06,055 --> 00:23:09,450 So how would you suggest I answer that? 474 00:23:09,493 --> 00:23:13,279 Well, maybe there's another reason you work late 475 00:23:13,304 --> 00:23:15,480 that wouldn't lead them to the same conclusion. 476 00:23:15,543 --> 00:23:18,752 Maybe you find it impossible to sleep 477 00:23:18,795 --> 00:23:20,504 when there are grieving friends and relatives 478 00:23:20,529 --> 00:23:22,444 out there waiting for answers 479 00:23:22,469 --> 00:23:24,887 as to what happened to their loved ones? 480 00:23:25,335 --> 00:23:28,469 I can't say that. That's-that's not the truth. 481 00:23:28,512 --> 00:23:30,079 Maybe there's a truth 482 00:23:30,104 --> 00:23:32,561 that's more palatable to the jury. 483 00:23:34,355 --> 00:23:38,522 Mr. Palmer, I'm a scientist, and scientists deal with facts. 484 00:23:38,566 --> 00:23:42,134 There is one truth, there's one right answer. 485 00:23:42,178 --> 00:23:45,783 If you ask me a question, I am going to give you that truth. 486 00:23:46,334 --> 00:23:48,379 As to whether it's palatable, 487 00:23:48,404 --> 00:23:50,580 that's not something I've ever concerned myself with. 488 00:23:50,605 --> 00:23:52,694 Well, it ought to be, because you're gonna be spending 489 00:23:52,719 --> 00:23:55,243 ten years in prison for something that you didn't do 490 00:23:55,268 --> 00:23:57,313 if we can't make the jury understand 491 00:23:57,338 --> 00:23:58,948 your side of the story. 492 00:23:58,973 --> 00:24:01,498 Okay, again, there is no "my side" of the story. 493 00:24:01,523 --> 00:24:02,872 There is what happened, 494 00:24:03,286 --> 00:24:05,506 and there is what did not happen. 495 00:24:05,549 --> 00:24:09,074 There is truth and fact, and there is falsehood. 496 00:24:09,099 --> 00:24:12,581 You can't spin the truth, you cannot polish it up 497 00:24:12,606 --> 00:24:15,479 or put lipstick on a pig, which is what I feel like 498 00:24:15,504 --> 00:24:16,723 you're trying to do to me right now. 499 00:24:16,821 --> 00:24:18,207 I am what I am. 500 00:24:18,232 --> 00:24:20,321 I did what I did, and I don't regret a minute of it 501 00:24:20,346 --> 00:24:22,861 because I did it all by the book. 502 00:24:24,947 --> 00:24:27,049 So are we done here? 503 00:24:27,324 --> 00:24:28,951 It certainly seems that way. 504 00:24:29,629 --> 00:24:31,470 - You talk to Chunk? - Sure did. 505 00:24:31,793 --> 00:24:33,621 You still want to put her on the stand? 506 00:24:33,664 --> 00:24:34,676 I do. 507 00:24:34,719 --> 00:24:36,972 He said that she's fundamentally incapable 508 00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:39,565 of shading her answers even one iota. 509 00:24:39,627 --> 00:24:42,180 Even at the risk of sending herself to prison. 510 00:24:42,205 --> 00:24:44,120 I'm waiting for the bad news. 511 00:24:44,457 --> 00:24:46,634 I'm pretty sure I just gave you the bad news. 512 00:24:46,677 --> 00:24:49,332 So the truth is, this woman can't even fudge the facts 513 00:24:49,375 --> 00:24:51,029 to keep herself out of jail. 514 00:24:51,054 --> 00:24:53,578 Now we just have to get a jury to understand that that means 515 00:24:53,603 --> 00:24:55,605 she couldn't possibly have fudged them 516 00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:58,111 to put someone else behind bars. 517 00:24:58,210 --> 00:24:59,603 We've heard a lot 518 00:24:59,628 --> 00:25:02,718 about the fact that you like to work alone 519 00:25:02,743 --> 00:25:04,378 and often late at night. 520 00:25:04,403 --> 00:25:06,111 Can you please tell us 521 00:25:06,136 --> 00:25:08,157 why that's your practice, Dr. Martin? 522 00:25:10,033 --> 00:25:12,411 I'm not good with people. 523 00:25:14,412 --> 00:25:16,039 I know how that sounds. 524 00:25:16,727 --> 00:25:18,990 Trust me, it's not made me a lot of friends. 525 00:25:21,130 --> 00:25:23,263 But I am good at my job. 526 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,894 I'm great at my job. 527 00:25:26,172 --> 00:25:28,218 And in order to be the best at my job, 528 00:25:28,243 --> 00:25:29,984 I have to be able to concentrate. 529 00:25:30,009 --> 00:25:32,925 I have to know that every single step of that process 530 00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:36,214 was done with precision and care. 531 00:25:36,239 --> 00:25:38,850 And if I do every step myself, I don't have to worry 532 00:25:38,875 --> 00:25:40,485 that it wasn't done properly. 533 00:25:41,273 --> 00:25:42,927 I don't have to worry 534 00:25:42,952 --> 00:25:46,022 that I offended someone because I criticized them 535 00:25:46,047 --> 00:25:47,754 for making a mistake. 536 00:25:47,779 --> 00:25:49,346 Or that I forgot to praise someone 537 00:25:49,371 --> 00:25:51,503 for just doing their job. 538 00:25:52,618 --> 00:25:56,486 So what do you say to the allegations 539 00:25:56,529 --> 00:25:58,706 that you falsified evidence 540 00:25:58,749 --> 00:26:01,665 in order to get a conviction against John Malford? 541 00:26:01,709 --> 00:26:04,059 I would say that's ridiculous. 542 00:26:04,102 --> 00:26:06,496 I don't care about John Malford. 543 00:26:06,539 --> 00:26:09,107 I have never cared about who gets convicted. 544 00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:10,511 That's not a win for me. 545 00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:13,879 A win for me is finding the right answer. 546 00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:18,029 It's solving the puzzle, it's making the crime stop. 547 00:26:18,685 --> 00:26:20,684 I do crosswords a lot. 548 00:26:20,728 --> 00:26:23,731 And they have these new apps now. 549 00:26:23,756 --> 00:26:26,371 If you get stuck, you can prompt it, and it'll give you a word, 550 00:26:26,396 --> 00:26:28,350 or it will give you a letter. 551 00:26:28,375 --> 00:26:30,697 And I would... I would just never do that. 552 00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:33,742 I would never want to do that, 553 00:26:33,767 --> 00:26:36,411 because having a filled-out crossword, 554 00:26:37,287 --> 00:26:38,914 that does nothing for me. 555 00:26:39,527 --> 00:26:44,532 But solving it myself, that's the part that's satisfying. 556 00:26:44,882 --> 00:26:49,216 So no, I would never falsify evidence to get a conviction, 557 00:26:49,297 --> 00:26:52,778 because then I would never really know who did it. 558 00:26:53,189 --> 00:26:55,013 I wouldn't solve the puzzle. 559 00:26:55,806 --> 00:26:59,101 If you cheat, you never find the truth. 560 00:27:03,248 --> 00:27:04,314 Marissa? 561 00:27:04,433 --> 00:27:06,086 No movement yet, 562 00:27:06,111 --> 00:27:08,505 but they clearly want to believe her. 563 00:27:08,993 --> 00:27:10,612 Baby steps. 564 00:27:13,128 --> 00:27:15,742 I'm starting to think Chunk doesn't know his own strength. 565 00:27:16,139 --> 00:27:17,880 Kept telling me she was hopeless, but he actually 566 00:27:17,905 --> 00:27:21,083 turned her into a very effective witness. 567 00:27:21,745 --> 00:27:24,935 - Ah, speak of the devil. - Oh... 568 00:27:26,753 --> 00:27:28,752 What have we here? 569 00:27:28,796 --> 00:27:30,036 Well, 570 00:27:30,061 --> 00:27:32,824 I wasn't able to connect Malford directly to any of the people 571 00:27:32,849 --> 00:27:34,720 who worked at the medical examiner's office, 572 00:27:34,745 --> 00:27:36,962 - but then Danny had a great idea. - Serial killers 573 00:27:36,987 --> 00:27:39,083 like Malford tend to attract obsessive fans. 574 00:27:39,108 --> 00:27:41,105 Total strangers who begin to believe they have 575 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:43,306 an intimate relationship with these killers. 576 00:27:43,331 --> 00:27:45,290 Excessive adoration disorder. 577 00:27:45,315 --> 00:27:47,124 Oh, yeah. I've heard of this. 578 00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:50,849 Crazy ladies who marry prisoners they've never met before. 579 00:27:51,102 --> 00:27:53,453 Well, they're not all ladies and they don't all get married, 580 00:27:53,478 --> 00:27:55,507 but yes, that's what we're talking about. 581 00:27:55,542 --> 00:27:56,935 Malford hasn't had a jailhouse wedding yet, 582 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,397 but he does have quite the fan club. 583 00:27:59,878 --> 00:28:02,141 Our guy's gotten thousands of letters, 584 00:28:02,166 --> 00:28:04,081 and he's responded to hundreds of them. 585 00:28:04,106 --> 00:28:05,978 The good news is, Sing Sing keeps a scan 586 00:28:06,003 --> 00:28:07,179 of all incoming and outgoing mail, 587 00:28:07,204 --> 00:28:09,380 and they gave Taylor access. 588 00:28:09,604 --> 00:28:11,823 Any one of these admirers sound like they'd be willing 589 00:28:11,848 --> 00:28:13,371 to help Malford break out of prison? 590 00:28:13,387 --> 00:28:14,562 Oh, yeah. 591 00:28:14,605 --> 00:28:16,346 There's no shortage of those. 592 00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:18,441 But we're still talking about over two dozen people. 593 00:28:18,485 --> 00:28:20,307 The math is not encouraging. 594 00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:22,134 More than 80 people had access 595 00:28:22,178 --> 00:28:24,180 to the evidence storage facility. 596 00:28:24,223 --> 00:28:26,318 More than two dozen crazies writing love letters. 597 00:28:26,701 --> 00:28:28,335 That's a lot of leads 598 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,710 to be running down in the middle of a trial. 599 00:28:30,926 --> 00:28:32,841 We don't have the time. 600 00:28:32,884 --> 00:28:34,495 I'm betting a day, maybe two, 601 00:28:34,538 --> 00:28:37,715 before the judge forces us to rest our case. 602 00:28:38,408 --> 00:28:40,501 Maybe we should just go right to the source. 603 00:28:41,335 --> 00:28:42,704 Excuse me? 604 00:28:43,094 --> 00:28:45,401 See how early Benny and I can get into Sing Sing tomorrow 605 00:28:45,426 --> 00:28:47,297 to talk with John Malford. 606 00:28:47,322 --> 00:28:50,281 Uh... John Malford? Seriously? 607 00:28:50,306 --> 00:28:53,352 Yeah. Sometimes the shortest distance between two points 608 00:28:53,377 --> 00:28:54,943 is a straight line. 609 00:28:54,968 --> 00:28:57,275 We need to figure out who's helping this guy 610 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,912 break out of prison; why don't we just go ask him? 611 00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:07,234 So what's the game plan here, boss? 612 00:29:07,277 --> 00:29:09,323 I just want to look him in the eye, see what I see. 613 00:29:09,366 --> 00:29:11,325 Maybe he'll offer something useful, maybe he won't. 614 00:29:11,368 --> 00:29:13,979 Serial killers tend to be outsized narcissists. 615 00:29:14,023 --> 00:29:16,591 Nothing they like to talk about more than themselves. 616 00:29:16,634 --> 00:29:18,854 I just want to get him talking. 617 00:29:23,245 --> 00:29:26,054 Ryan, good to see you. 618 00:29:26,829 --> 00:29:28,116 I didn't know you'd be joining us. 619 00:29:28,141 --> 00:29:29,668 Benny, Dr. Bull, pleasure. 620 00:29:30,257 --> 00:29:32,476 When the prison informed me you'd requested a meeting, 621 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,261 I thought it wise to sit in. 622 00:29:34,304 --> 00:29:35,566 Of course. 623 00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:38,011 Just to be clear, this was all very last minute. 624 00:29:38,055 --> 00:29:40,350 Nobody's trying to pull a fast one... 625 00:29:40,375 --> 00:29:42,159 Never even crossed my mind. 626 00:29:42,203 --> 00:29:44,248 Just want to be certain everyone remembers, 627 00:29:44,292 --> 00:29:46,163 my client isn't on trial. 628 00:29:46,207 --> 00:29:47,469 Yours is. 629 00:29:47,512 --> 00:29:50,254 Oh, I think we're all very clear about that. 630 00:29:52,182 --> 00:29:53,749 You must be Mr. Malford. 631 00:29:53,774 --> 00:29:55,776 Yeah. John. 632 00:29:55,801 --> 00:29:57,150 Who are you? 633 00:29:57,175 --> 00:29:58,219 These are the gentlemen representing 634 00:29:58,244 --> 00:29:59,767 the medical examiner 635 00:29:59,792 --> 00:30:01,925 who falsified the evidence that got you locked up, John. 636 00:30:02,284 --> 00:30:03,485 Hmm. 637 00:30:03,528 --> 00:30:05,139 So... 638 00:30:05,164 --> 00:30:07,036 what can we do for you? 639 00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:08,620 Well, we just wanted to get a look at the man 640 00:30:08,664 --> 00:30:10,796 who's at the center of our case. 641 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,668 How you holding up in here, John? 642 00:30:12,711 --> 00:30:14,457 Holding up good. 643 00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:18,021 Working out, food's okay. 644 00:30:18,065 --> 00:30:19,468 How's your head? 645 00:30:20,067 --> 00:30:22,895 You lonely? You have any friends? 646 00:30:22,939 --> 00:30:25,159 Oh, yeah. I got friends. 647 00:30:25,202 --> 00:30:27,030 Inside and outside. 648 00:30:27,552 --> 00:30:28,858 Aha. 649 00:30:28,901 --> 00:30:30,860 How do you mean, "outside"? 650 00:30:30,903 --> 00:30:32,122 Oh, you know. 651 00:30:32,166 --> 00:30:36,735 I get letters, pictures. People want to visit. 652 00:30:36,779 --> 00:30:39,738 Want to, um, make friends. 653 00:30:41,198 --> 00:30:43,133 - Women. - Mm. 654 00:30:43,158 --> 00:30:47,292 Oh. That sounds like a... great life. 655 00:30:47,829 --> 00:30:50,248 Some of those pictures are naked. 656 00:30:50,923 --> 00:30:53,187 So, you two working for the prison now? 657 00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:55,972 Hmm? Conducting a customer satisfaction survey? 658 00:30:56,015 --> 00:30:57,976 The point is, John here's been a model prisoner, 659 00:30:58,001 --> 00:30:59,842 he's adapted to prison life flawlessly. 660 00:30:59,867 --> 00:31:03,305 Not a black mark on his record to hinder his appeal. 661 00:31:03,330 --> 00:31:06,667 Ah. Right. John's appeal. 662 00:31:07,307 --> 00:31:09,159 Hey, I-I've got to ask, 663 00:31:09,203 --> 00:31:11,084 why even bother with the appeal? 664 00:31:11,128 --> 00:31:13,394 You seem so content. 665 00:31:13,437 --> 00:31:15,339 Because he's innocent. 666 00:31:15,607 --> 00:31:17,385 What do I care 667 00:31:17,428 --> 00:31:19,027 if this guy wants to push some papers around? 668 00:31:20,064 --> 00:31:21,283 No skin off my back. 669 00:31:21,308 --> 00:31:22,788 I mean, what's the worst thing that happens? 670 00:31:22,813 --> 00:31:25,946 I actually... get out? 671 00:31:26,952 --> 00:31:28,600 You're right. 672 00:31:28,601 --> 00:31:30,298 No harm, no foul. 673 00:31:30,342 --> 00:31:33,166 This has been great. 674 00:31:33,911 --> 00:31:36,957 Really... helpful. 675 00:31:37,239 --> 00:31:38,980 Mr. Vance. 676 00:31:39,005 --> 00:31:40,632 Mr. Malford. 677 00:31:43,268 --> 00:31:45,444 Hey, why'd you cut bait like that? 678 00:31:45,929 --> 00:31:47,533 The guy was just warming up. 679 00:31:47,577 --> 00:31:49,709 Maybe we could've gotten a name, 680 00:31:49,753 --> 00:31:51,885 maybe found our inside man at the morgue. 681 00:31:52,894 --> 00:31:54,627 There is no name. 682 00:31:54,671 --> 00:31:56,324 There is no inside man at the morgue. 683 00:31:56,368 --> 00:31:57,543 How do you mean? 684 00:31:59,545 --> 00:32:01,765 Did Malford seem like he'd even contemplated 685 00:32:01,808 --> 00:32:03,288 life outside of prison? 686 00:32:03,331 --> 00:32:05,943 No. It didn't seem like 687 00:32:05,968 --> 00:32:08,493 he actually cared much about his appeal at all. 688 00:32:08,554 --> 00:32:10,556 Exactly. He also showed very little interest 689 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,775 in Julia's case. 690 00:32:11,818 --> 00:32:13,994 Now, if this guy spent the last six years 691 00:32:14,038 --> 00:32:17,432 hatching this scheme and manipulating some admirer 692 00:32:17,476 --> 00:32:18,869 to do his bidding, don't you think he'd be 693 00:32:18,912 --> 00:32:20,871 a little more invested in the fruits of his labor? 694 00:32:21,589 --> 00:32:23,395 So, Malford didn't do it? 695 00:32:23,438 --> 00:32:25,658 Malford didn't change the evidence? 696 00:32:25,702 --> 00:32:27,094 Back to square one? 697 00:32:28,054 --> 00:32:30,054 Maybe not. 698 00:32:30,097 --> 00:32:32,665 Malford might have no interest in Julia's case, 699 00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:35,867 but someone put this thing in motion. 700 00:32:37,063 --> 00:32:38,231 Who do you mean? 701 00:32:39,357 --> 00:32:41,326 Ryan? No. 702 00:32:41,369 --> 00:32:44,024 Ryan's his lawyer. He's just doing his job. 703 00:32:44,068 --> 00:32:46,940 You don't think it strange that he was there 704 00:32:46,984 --> 00:32:49,726 at that meeting just now, or that he has been 705 00:32:49,769 --> 00:32:52,293 in court every day of Julia's trial? 706 00:32:54,774 --> 00:32:55,949 I don't know, Bull. 707 00:32:56,499 --> 00:32:59,823 Ryan is not my favorite guy, 708 00:32:59,866 --> 00:33:02,695 but what does he care if Julia goes down? 709 00:33:02,739 --> 00:33:04,828 I'm not sure. 710 00:33:04,871 --> 00:33:06,760 I'm just telling you what I see. 711 00:33:09,011 --> 00:33:10,667 Since we moved off the fangirl theory 712 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:12,506 and onto Malford's lawyer, 713 00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:14,634 I circled back to the 80 people 714 00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,530 who had access to the evidence storage facility 715 00:33:16,574 --> 00:33:18,532 at the medical examiner's office to see if I could 716 00:33:18,576 --> 00:33:20,099 try to find some kind of link. 717 00:33:20,143 --> 00:33:22,536 We never did do a deep dive into any of their finances, 718 00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:24,147 because Malford was broke, 719 00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:26,192 so it didn't seem particularly relevant. 720 00:33:26,236 --> 00:33:30,196 But Malford's attorney, Mr. Ryan Vance, Esquire, is not. 721 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,894 He has plenty of money to pay off 722 00:33:31,937 --> 00:33:33,678 an overworked, underpaid lab tech. 723 00:33:34,204 --> 00:33:35,506 Like Skylar Brown. 724 00:33:35,997 --> 00:33:38,291 Skylar was wrestling with a significant amount of debt. 725 00:33:38,335 --> 00:33:40,424 She maxed out four credit cards and has 726 00:33:40,467 --> 00:33:41,991 two delinquent homeowner loans. 727 00:33:42,034 --> 00:33:44,210 But, coincidentally, Skylar seems to have had 728 00:33:44,235 --> 00:33:46,150 a financial windfall, 729 00:33:46,212 --> 00:33:47,823 just three weeks prior 730 00:33:47,848 --> 00:33:49,898 to the independent analysis of Malford's hair. 731 00:33:49,923 --> 00:33:52,400 A cash deposit, $60,000, 732 00:33:52,425 --> 00:33:53,905 straight into her personal checking account. 733 00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:57,629 Hmm. Okay, $60,000 question. 734 00:33:57,654 --> 00:33:59,699 Can we tie any of this cash back to Ryan Vance? 735 00:33:59,724 --> 00:34:02,204 Not yet, but we are gonna keep at it. 736 00:34:03,664 --> 00:34:05,492 I feel the heat all the way over here. 737 00:34:05,536 --> 00:34:06,798 Something not clicking for you? 738 00:34:06,842 --> 00:34:09,572 I got everything but the "why." 739 00:34:10,802 --> 00:34:13,805 Why would a successful attorney like Ryan Vance 740 00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:18,114 put his entire livelihood, his entire legacy on the line 741 00:34:18,157 --> 00:34:21,944 for a rapist and a murderer like John Malford? 742 00:34:22,627 --> 00:34:23,815 So... 743 00:34:23,859 --> 00:34:25,593 why frame Julia? 744 00:34:25,636 --> 00:34:28,254 Why go to all the trouble? 745 00:34:28,925 --> 00:34:30,648 Why risk putting a homicidal sexual predator 746 00:34:30,673 --> 00:34:33,676 back on the street, earn the enmity of the D.A.'s office 747 00:34:33,701 --> 00:34:38,575 by forcing them to reopen every case where Julia's evidence 748 00:34:38,996 --> 00:34:40,998 put someone away? 749 00:34:42,981 --> 00:34:44,315 Why? 750 00:34:46,192 --> 00:34:47,665 What are you thinking? 751 00:34:48,236 --> 00:34:49,623 Taylor, how long do you think it'd take 752 00:34:49,667 --> 00:34:52,365 to get a list of Ryan Vance's other clients? 753 00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:54,846 The other clients that are currently incarcerated? 754 00:34:55,743 --> 00:34:57,631 I'm kind of in the middle of something... 755 00:34:57,675 --> 00:35:00,286 I don't care. I want that list. 756 00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:01,940 With Your Honor's approval, 757 00:35:01,965 --> 00:35:05,403 we'd like to call the person sitting in the third row, 758 00:35:05,465 --> 00:35:09,295 John Malford's attorney Ryan Vance, to the stand. 759 00:35:09,339 --> 00:35:11,123 Has the defense subpoenaed Mr. Vance? 760 00:35:11,167 --> 00:35:12,559 We don't typically allow 761 00:35:12,603 --> 00:35:14,820 those seated in the gallery to testify. 762 00:35:14,863 --> 00:35:16,781 Yes, we're aware of that, Your Honor. 763 00:35:16,825 --> 00:35:18,914 But we're hoping that the court will see fit 764 00:35:18,957 --> 00:35:21,046 - to grant us this approval. - Your Honor, 765 00:35:21,090 --> 00:35:23,048 I'm sorry, I... this is the first I'm hearing of this. 766 00:35:23,092 --> 00:35:24,267 Mr. Vance's 767 00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:26,399 petition for the independent analysis 768 00:35:26,443 --> 00:35:28,314 of the Malford evidence 769 00:35:28,358 --> 00:35:29,925 initiated this whole trial. 770 00:35:30,486 --> 00:35:32,579 I'd merely like him to speak 771 00:35:32,604 --> 00:35:35,955 to the history of how that new analysis came to be. 772 00:35:37,454 --> 00:35:39,978 All right. I'll allow it. 773 00:35:40,330 --> 00:35:43,286 So Mr. Vance, when you requested 774 00:35:43,311 --> 00:35:45,270 an independent examination of the evidence 775 00:35:45,295 --> 00:35:49,038 in the John Malford case, did you know a negative match 776 00:35:49,063 --> 00:35:52,718 would call into question the professional conduct 777 00:35:52,743 --> 00:35:55,790 and scientific expertise of my client, 778 00:35:55,815 --> 00:35:57,904 Dr. Julia Martin? 779 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,650 That would be a natural consequence. 780 00:35:59,693 --> 00:36:02,044 She did perform the original analysis. 781 00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:08,485 Isn't it true 782 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:11,862 that other cases will be reexamined as a result 783 00:36:11,887 --> 00:36:14,368 of Dr. Martin's prosecution? 784 00:36:14,447 --> 00:36:19,185 Countless other criminals, murderers, rapists and thieves 785 00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:22,058 are going to file for dismissal of their sentences. 786 00:36:22,083 --> 00:36:23,856 As well they should be, yes. 787 00:36:25,375 --> 00:36:29,506 Ah. I-Isn't it also true that you are the sole owner 788 00:36:29,531 --> 00:36:34,841 of Barnaby Bank account number 00403010? 789 00:36:34,866 --> 00:36:37,216 I don't know, I... It very well could be. 790 00:36:37,296 --> 00:36:38,863 I don't have my account number memorized. 791 00:36:38,907 --> 00:36:42,928 I do bank at Barnaby, so yes, I suppose. 792 00:36:42,972 --> 00:36:47,916 A-And isn't it also true that you withdrew $60,000 in cash 793 00:36:48,398 --> 00:36:50,222 on September 21st from this account? 794 00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:52,529 Again, it's months ago. 795 00:36:52,572 --> 00:36:54,009 I don't have every transaction memorized, 796 00:36:54,034 --> 00:36:56,732 so yes, it's possible, it sounds possible. 797 00:36:56,794 --> 00:36:59,623 If you say so. 798 00:36:59,666 --> 00:37:01,712 Well, it's not me saying it. 799 00:37:01,755 --> 00:37:03,409 Your Honor, 800 00:37:03,453 --> 00:37:06,282 these are Mr. Vance's bank records 801 00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:08,001 for the month of September. 802 00:37:09,293 --> 00:37:12,723 I'd ask that you mark them 803 00:37:12,766 --> 00:37:14,812 as defense exhibit number 14. 804 00:37:14,837 --> 00:37:16,404 So marked. 805 00:37:16,466 --> 00:37:20,861 And lastly, do you know a Skylar Brown? 806 00:37:21,556 --> 00:37:23,168 Uh... 807 00:37:23,193 --> 00:37:26,196 Uh, name rings a bell. I-I can't be certain, though. 808 00:37:26,221 --> 00:37:28,658 Well, she's an employee of the medical examiner's office 809 00:37:28,683 --> 00:37:32,469 with full access to all evidence storage. 810 00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:35,441 - Including DNA samples. - Objection, Your Honor. Relevance? 811 00:37:35,485 --> 00:37:37,835 I'm moments away, Your Honor, I promise. 812 00:37:37,878 --> 00:37:39,968 I certainly hope so. Overruled. 813 00:37:40,011 --> 00:37:41,360 Isn't it strange 814 00:37:41,385 --> 00:37:45,171 that just two days after you made your withdrawal, 815 00:37:45,234 --> 00:37:47,801 Skylar Brown paid off all of her credit cards, 816 00:37:47,826 --> 00:37:50,785 her delinquent loans? 817 00:37:50,848 --> 00:37:53,546 All of her outstanding debts? 818 00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:58,595 Following a deposit of exactly $60,000 in cash 819 00:37:58,638 --> 00:38:00,379 into her checking account? 820 00:38:00,423 --> 00:38:04,514 I wouldn't say strange. I might say coincidental. 821 00:38:04,557 --> 00:38:05,725 Ah. 822 00:38:07,351 --> 00:38:08,735 How old were you when your brother 823 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,066 was convicted of murder? 824 00:38:13,733 --> 00:38:15,525 I really don't think that has anything to do 825 00:38:15,568 --> 00:38:17,092 with the business at hand. 826 00:38:17,135 --> 00:38:21,748 I-Isn't your brother Trevor one of your clients? 827 00:38:22,241 --> 00:38:26,971 And wasn't the evidence in his case also assessed by my client, 828 00:38:26,996 --> 00:38:28,790 Dr. Julia Martin? 829 00:38:29,365 --> 00:38:32,020 And if Dr. Martin is found guilty, 830 00:38:32,063 --> 00:38:34,848 isn't Trevor's conviction likely to be overturned, 831 00:38:34,873 --> 00:38:37,006 just like John Malford's? 832 00:38:37,068 --> 00:38:38,809 And isn't that why you paid 833 00:38:38,834 --> 00:38:43,098 Skylar Brown $60,000, 834 00:38:43,123 --> 00:38:44,865 to replace the hair that was used 835 00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:47,893 to convict your client, John Malford? 836 00:38:52,722 --> 00:38:53,842 Mr. Vance, 837 00:38:53,867 --> 00:38:55,869 do you need the question repeated? 838 00:38:57,808 --> 00:38:59,897 Oh, that's all right, Your Honor. 839 00:39:00,135 --> 00:39:02,490 I think the jury already has their answer. 840 00:39:03,181 --> 00:39:04,878 No further questions. 841 00:39:08,798 --> 00:39:11,757 Is the prosecution prepared to cross-examine the witness? 842 00:39:17,021 --> 00:39:19,328 Actually, no. 843 00:39:20,786 --> 00:39:24,442 But we are prepared, based on Ryan Vance's testimony 844 00:39:24,467 --> 00:39:27,948 and the evidence presented by Mr. Colón, 845 00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:29,338 to withdraw our charges 846 00:39:29,363 --> 00:39:31,322 against Dr. Martin... 847 00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:34,647 ...and offer our apologies. 848 00:39:45,354 --> 00:39:48,096 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 849 00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:11,249 Oh, Dr. Martin, it's 2:00 in the morning, and I heard a noise. 850 00:40:12,059 --> 00:40:14,687 No one else is here, you know, and I was just about to leave. 851 00:40:14,731 --> 00:40:16,602 You gonna be okay? 852 00:40:17,398 --> 00:40:19,605 I'm going to be perfect. 853 00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:43,731 _ 854 00:40:46,353 --> 00:40:48,554 _ 855 00:40:55,911 --> 00:40:58,425 _ 856 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,320 _ 857 00:41:24,231 --> 00:41:29,426 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 64725

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