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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,442 --> 00:00:10,004 There's another one, 2 00:00:11,429 --> 00:00:12,984 down by the spa. 3 00:00:51,050 --> 00:00:53,277 You asked me how to get ahead at the firm. 4 00:00:54,132 --> 00:00:55,655 That's how you do it. 5 00:00:56,285 --> 00:00:59,871 What about merit? W-What about hard work? 6 00:01:00,144 --> 00:01:01,895 Let me explain something to you. 7 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:04,574 For you to rise in the ranks, 8 00:01:04,661 --> 00:01:06,606 someone has to make room for you. 9 00:01:06,692 --> 00:01:07,761 They have to give up something, 10 00:01:07,824 --> 00:01:11,762 maybe... a raise or part of a bonus. 11 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,512 Now why is someone going to be giving up something 12 00:01:14,595 --> 00:01:16,785 unless they get something? 13 00:01:22,535 --> 00:01:25,106 Oh, geez. It's behind you, corner of the bar. 14 00:01:59,949 --> 00:02:02,910 January 5th, 9:40 p.m. 15 00:02:03,146 --> 00:02:04,926 Postmortem examination. 16 00:02:05,223 --> 00:02:06,918 External search: Negative. 17 00:02:07,106 --> 00:02:10,481 Internal trunk exploration: Negative. 18 00:02:10,761 --> 00:02:13,973 Forensic evidence discovered: None. 19 00:02:16,406 --> 00:02:18,074 How is that possible? 20 00:02:18,769 --> 00:02:20,032 Excuse me? 21 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,418 This man's killed four women in a year and a half. 22 00:02:22,481 --> 00:02:24,949 How is it he can hide in women's bathrooms, 23 00:02:25,083 --> 00:02:27,264 chloroform his victims, undress them, 24 00:02:27,353 --> 00:02:29,473 undress himself, have sex with them, 25 00:02:29,535 --> 00:02:30,731 strangle them to death, 26 00:02:30,794 --> 00:02:33,231 and still not leave one bit of forensic evidence? 27 00:02:33,363 --> 00:02:35,996 Not one drop of semen? Not one fleck of skin? 28 00:02:36,114 --> 00:02:38,520 Listen, I know you're new here, but, uh, Dr...? 29 00:02:38,642 --> 00:02:40,215 Martin. Julia Martin. 30 00:02:40,278 --> 00:02:41,973 We're talking public bathrooms. 31 00:02:42,119 --> 00:02:44,754 They're a convention center of forensic evidence. 32 00:02:44,957 --> 00:02:47,168 The victims' bodies, that's another story. 33 00:02:47,418 --> 00:02:48,962 That's how we'll get him. 34 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:53,809 Dr. Martin, you're still here? 35 00:02:53,947 --> 00:02:56,863 I'd like to take another look at Emily Baker's body. 36 00:02:57,449 --> 00:02:59,581 Eh, kind of late. Everyone's gone. 37 00:02:59,856 --> 00:03:01,402 That's okay. I'll be fine. 38 00:03:01,474 --> 00:03:03,684 I'll put everything back the way I found it. 39 00:03:07,701 --> 00:03:10,106 We're obviously thrilled that this afternoon, 40 00:03:10,201 --> 00:03:12,777 a jury of his peers convicted John Malford, 41 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,496 otherwise known as the "Bathroom Stall Butcher," 42 00:03:15,589 --> 00:03:17,457 for the murder of young Emily Baker. 43 00:03:17,614 --> 00:03:20,617 Special thanks to the New York City Medical Examiner's Office, 44 00:03:20,692 --> 00:03:22,879 in particular to Julia Martin, 45 00:03:23,064 --> 00:03:25,777 whose tireless work led to the discovery of the pivotal piece 46 00:03:25,859 --> 00:03:28,637 of evidence against John Malford. 47 00:03:31,635 --> 00:03:34,488 Hi. Welcome to Billy's. 48 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,116 If you're gonna be a successful attorney in Manhattan, 49 00:03:38,432 --> 00:03:40,074 this is a place you need to know about. 50 00:03:40,144 --> 00:03:42,848 Oh, I didn't even know there was a Billy's. 51 00:03:43,027 --> 00:03:47,084 Well, consider tonight as a part of your legal education.Thanks. 52 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,507 As a matter of fact, FDR used to settle cases 53 00:03:50,573 --> 00:03:51,654 at that table right there 54 00:03:51,733 --> 00:03:53,553 in the back. Oh, I don't care about all that. 55 00:03:53,616 --> 00:03:55,264 Show me where the Benny Colón booth is. 56 00:03:55,365 --> 00:03:57,350 No, this ain't Dunkin' Donuts. 57 00:03:57,731 --> 00:03:59,380 Why don't you find us a table. 58 00:03:59,443 --> 00:04:00,959 I'll grab us some drinks. 59 00:04:01,347 --> 00:04:03,646 Benjamin Colón. 60 00:04:04,230 --> 00:04:05,323 Stella! 61 00:04:05,386 --> 00:04:06,725 And Ryan. 62 00:04:07,692 --> 00:04:08,747 Wow... 63 00:04:08,810 --> 00:04:10,677 What is the occasion? 64 00:04:10,747 --> 00:04:12,673 You two look like a pair of breathalyzer tests 65 00:04:12,744 --> 00:04:13,842 - waiting to happen. - Well, 66 00:04:13,916 --> 00:04:15,639 truth is I have a pretty good shot 67 00:04:15,702 --> 00:04:17,115 at getting a client out of prison. 68 00:04:17,178 --> 00:04:18,678 Guy was put away for life, so... 69 00:04:18,747 --> 00:04:19,912 So what'd you do? 70 00:04:20,017 --> 00:04:22,014 You bake him a cake with a hacksaw in it? 71 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:26,295 - One better. - Ah. 72 00:04:26,432 --> 00:04:28,771 I discovered the evidence that got him convicted 73 00:04:28,854 --> 00:04:30,092 may have been tampered with. 74 00:04:30,208 --> 00:04:31,448 - Seriously? - Yeah. 75 00:04:31,601 --> 00:04:33,656 By, uh, the police, or...? 76 00:04:33,719 --> 00:04:35,217 Medical Examiner's Office. 77 00:04:35,334 --> 00:04:36,732 Yeah. I petitioned to have 78 00:04:36,803 --> 00:04:39,021 a client's DNA evidence retested 79 00:04:39,084 --> 00:04:42,256 and it came back... no match, not even close. 80 00:04:42,381 --> 00:04:44,225 Well, who's the medical examiner? 81 00:04:44,772 --> 00:04:46,514 You know Julia Martin? 82 00:04:46,737 --> 00:04:49,584 No, no, no, no. That must be a mistake. 83 00:04:49,691 --> 00:04:51,248 She was picked up this morning. 84 00:04:51,474 --> 00:04:53,685 D.A.'s office thinks it was intentional. 85 00:04:54,303 --> 00:04:55,943 Who is your client? 86 00:04:56,083 --> 00:04:58,920 Remember the "Bathroom Stall Butcher," John Malford? 87 00:05:00,826 --> 00:05:02,818 I hate trolling for cases. 88 00:05:03,209 --> 00:05:04,404 I like to be asked. 89 00:05:04,488 --> 00:05:06,107 I like to be the one who can say no. 90 00:05:06,175 --> 00:05:09,449 We are not trolling. We are offering our services. 91 00:05:09,593 --> 00:05:13,357 And trust me, so is every other A-list criminal firm in town. 92 00:05:13,420 --> 00:05:15,498 I mean, this is Julia Martin. 93 00:05:15,674 --> 00:05:18,404 Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York. 94 00:05:18,467 --> 00:05:21,232 These are the kinds of cases that get the town talking. 95 00:05:21,507 --> 00:05:23,567 Plus, I know her. 96 00:05:23,748 --> 00:05:25,555 There's no way she'd tamper with evidence. 97 00:05:25,618 --> 00:05:27,525 Well, obviously the D.A. doesn't agree with you 98 00:05:27,587 --> 00:05:28,584 or he wouldn't have arrested her. 99 00:05:28,647 --> 00:05:30,342 Plus, I know she has a big title, 100 00:05:30,405 --> 00:05:32,701 but at the end of the day she's just a civil servant. 101 00:05:32,859 --> 00:05:34,083 What are you trying to say? 102 00:05:34,146 --> 00:05:36,749 Well, is this another pro bono situation? 103 00:05:36,812 --> 00:05:40,260 Because, frankly, I've become such a pro at bono, 104 00:05:40,422 --> 00:05:43,273 I'm getting ready to start my own Irish rock band. 105 00:05:45,542 --> 00:05:48,007 You wake up in the morning and 106 00:05:48,249 --> 00:05:49,452 you go over in your head 107 00:05:49,515 --> 00:05:51,999 all those hundreds of things that you have to do this week. 108 00:05:52,062 --> 00:05:56,288 It just... doesn't occur to you that you might get arrested. 109 00:05:56,818 --> 00:05:59,624 You might spend your first night in jail. 110 00:06:01,823 --> 00:06:04,898 I'm the Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York. 111 00:06:05,135 --> 00:06:06,707 We want to help you, Julia. 112 00:06:07,242 --> 00:06:10,296 You know I can't afford to pay top-shelf guys like you. 113 00:06:10,437 --> 00:06:11,491 We'll be fine. 114 00:06:11,603 --> 00:06:12,999 Will I be? 115 00:06:13,134 --> 00:06:15,876 I also can't afford for you to do a half-assed job 116 00:06:16,005 --> 00:06:18,534 because you're just in it for the free press. 117 00:06:18,997 --> 00:06:21,101 Keep in mind the best press for everyone 118 00:06:21,164 --> 00:06:22,640 is about your ultimate acquittal. 119 00:06:22,737 --> 00:06:24,327 You keep that in mind. 120 00:06:28,015 --> 00:06:31,562 All right then, I guess it's the two of you. 121 00:06:31,916 --> 00:06:33,101 Lucky us. 122 00:06:33,164 --> 00:06:35,890 So here's what I know. Six years ago, 123 00:06:35,953 --> 00:06:38,179 when I found that hair in the back of a woman's throat, 124 00:06:38,271 --> 00:06:41,921 it was a perfect match to John Malford's hair, perfect. 125 00:06:42,069 --> 00:06:45,819 100%. I still have the evidence that says so, 126 00:06:45,882 --> 00:06:49,038 so I'm not clear exactly why we're here. 127 00:06:49,108 --> 00:06:51,273 The problem is Malford's attorney 128 00:06:51,532 --> 00:06:53,210 was running out of appeals, 129 00:06:53,310 --> 00:06:55,577 so he decided to throw a Hail Mary 130 00:06:55,768 --> 00:06:58,510 and petitioned for a new analysis of the hair, 131 00:06:59,163 --> 00:07:01,249 an outside analysis of the hair. 132 00:07:01,410 --> 00:07:04,921 And when an outside lab tested it, it came back negative. 133 00:07:05,231 --> 00:07:06,928 And after they popped their champagne, 134 00:07:06,991 --> 00:07:10,335 they sent it to three more labs, and it also came back negative. 135 00:07:10,577 --> 00:07:12,335 It didn't match Malford's hair at all. 136 00:07:12,398 --> 00:07:13,859 That's not plausible. 137 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:17,929 Someone switched the hairs, or they tested the wrong hair. 138 00:07:18,041 --> 00:07:19,968 Julia, it's completely plausible. 139 00:07:20,031 --> 00:07:22,601 You don't have to agree with it, but it's certainly plausible. 140 00:07:22,664 --> 00:07:24,498 No. You're wrong. It isn't. 141 00:07:25,354 --> 00:07:28,335 There's no circumstance under which I would ever 142 00:07:28,569 --> 00:07:30,624 tamper with evidence in any case. 143 00:07:30,699 --> 00:07:31,960 Everyone knows this about me. 144 00:07:32,023 --> 00:07:34,901 No. Everyone does not. 145 00:07:35,222 --> 00:07:36,491 Think about it. 146 00:07:37,908 --> 00:07:41,234 You performed the examination sometime after midnight. 147 00:07:41,297 --> 00:07:42,835 You were alone in the autopsy room, 148 00:07:42,936 --> 00:07:45,584 and lack of plausibility is not the argument 149 00:07:45,647 --> 00:07:47,023 that's gonna win the case for you. 150 00:07:47,389 --> 00:07:50,382 Okay. You know that it was a pubic hair. 151 00:07:50,659 --> 00:07:52,460 Right? It was a man's pubic hair. 152 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,320 I found it in the deepest recesses of her esophagus. 153 00:07:56,437 --> 00:08:00,359 So let's say that I... am going to plant a hair. 154 00:08:00,452 --> 00:08:02,429 Where would I have gotten a male pubic hair from? 155 00:08:02,492 --> 00:08:05,577 Oh, come on. Those can't be that hard to come by in the morgue. 156 00:08:05,701 --> 00:08:07,671 Is it possible you made a mistake? 157 00:08:08,096 --> 00:08:10,226 - Excuse me? - I mean, maybe 158 00:08:10,408 --> 00:08:12,093 you thought you found evidence 159 00:08:12,156 --> 00:08:14,179 that was relevant to the case, but it wasn't. 160 00:08:14,831 --> 00:08:16,187 Emily might've 161 00:08:16,347 --> 00:08:18,697 indulged in oral sex with someone else, 162 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,550 consensual contact. You did an autopsy. 163 00:08:21,642 --> 00:08:24,655 You found this hair. It was a mistake. 164 00:08:24,886 --> 00:08:26,653 No, that's not possible. 165 00:08:26,945 --> 00:08:28,749 I ran every test that there was. 166 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:31,515 I ran every test myself. That was his hair. 167 00:08:31,578 --> 00:08:32,616 Keep in mind, 168 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,765 if it was truly a mistake, 169 00:08:34,873 --> 00:08:36,804 then there is no criminal intent. 170 00:08:37,471 --> 00:08:40,468 If there is no criminal intent, then there's no crime. 171 00:08:40,956 --> 00:08:43,570 Mistakes. Everybody makes them. 172 00:08:46,126 --> 00:08:49,593 So you're telling me, if I say that I made a mistake, 173 00:08:49,776 --> 00:08:51,304 the charges might be withdrawn? 174 00:08:51,402 --> 00:08:53,723 Well, it's certainly something I'd like to take to the D.A. 175 00:08:53,797 --> 00:08:55,890 I can't imagine that they would want to go forward 176 00:08:55,973 --> 00:08:57,153 with this trial. 177 00:08:59,776 --> 00:09:02,265 I can't.You can't what? 178 00:09:02,343 --> 00:09:03,562 I can't say that 179 00:09:03,625 --> 00:09:05,656 because I don't make mistakes, 180 00:09:05,777 --> 00:09:08,179 not when it comes to forensic science. 181 00:09:08,562 --> 00:09:12,990 Does that change anything for the two of you? 182 00:09:15,661 --> 00:09:20,171 Just makes the job harder, but we didn't take up the offer 183 00:09:20,253 --> 00:09:21,937 because we thought it was gonna be easy. 184 00:09:22,281 --> 00:09:26,351 We told you we wanted to defend you, and we mean it. 185 00:09:28,308 --> 00:09:29,960 So what's the plan? 186 00:09:30,023 --> 00:09:31,913 Well, to get you out on bail, for starters. 187 00:09:31,979 --> 00:09:34,359 I'll talk to the D.A. in the morning, get a lay 188 00:09:34,422 --> 00:09:36,059 of the land and see what they think they have on you. 189 00:09:36,121 --> 00:09:37,345 Dr. Martin. 190 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,085 Julia. 191 00:09:46,527 --> 00:09:47,632 Thank you. 192 00:09:49,463 --> 00:09:51,421 - Did you say... - Thank you. 193 00:09:52,633 --> 00:09:54,085 You're welcome. 194 00:09:56,432 --> 00:09:57,830 ♪BULL (2016)♪ Season 03 Episode 12 195 00:09:57,862 --> 00:09:59,198 *BULL (2016)* Episode Title: "Split Hairs" 196 00:09:59,261 --> 00:10:00,613 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 197 00:10:00,676 --> 00:10:01,659 Sync corrections by srjanapala 198 00:10:03,637 --> 00:10:05,791 The truth is you know she couldn't have done this. 199 00:10:05,909 --> 00:10:09,331 She'd rather cut off her own arm than give you a false report. 200 00:10:09,463 --> 00:10:10,784 And yet, she did. 201 00:10:10,870 --> 00:10:13,049 You think I'm looking to take down a medical examiner? 202 00:10:13,112 --> 00:10:14,456 We work with them every day. 203 00:10:14,549 --> 00:10:16,682 I've had these results checked and rechecked 204 00:10:16,752 --> 00:10:19,174 with four different labs. She screwed up, 205 00:10:19,284 --> 00:10:20,658 which makes all of us look bad. 206 00:10:20,721 --> 00:10:22,713 Have you actually considered the repercussions of this? 207 00:10:22,775 --> 00:10:24,026 You convict the Chief. 208 00:10:24,103 --> 00:10:26,081 Medical Examiner for the City of New York, 209 00:10:26,182 --> 00:10:28,135 and you are handing a "get out of jail free" card 210 00:10:28,198 --> 00:10:30,018 to everyone you've ever put behind bars. 211 00:10:30,081 --> 00:10:33,573 You will have a mile-long line of attorneys out your door 212 00:10:33,877 --> 00:10:36,041 claiming that their clients were falsely convicted. 213 00:10:36,104 --> 00:10:37,331 Is that what you want? 214 00:10:39,119 --> 00:10:40,557 Your discovery packet. 215 00:10:40,859 --> 00:10:42,775 Assuming you're still gonna want the case 216 00:10:42,838 --> 00:10:44,080 once you see what's in there. 217 00:10:44,276 --> 00:10:45,870 Okay, what's in there? 218 00:10:46,182 --> 00:10:49,133 Julia's first examination of Emily Baker's corpse, 219 00:10:49,215 --> 00:10:51,112 she came up with nothing. 220 00:10:51,737 --> 00:10:54,674 Okay, so she found the evidence the second time through. 221 00:10:54,839 --> 00:10:57,565 And that's fine, except she completely deleted the first report. 222 00:10:57,639 --> 00:10:59,254 The one where she came up empty, 223 00:10:59,438 --> 00:11:02,471 just plucked it out of the system like it never happened. 224 00:11:03,049 --> 00:11:04,393 That's a big no-no. 225 00:11:04,534 --> 00:11:05,802 Okay. 226 00:11:06,096 --> 00:11:09,151 You know it's a breach of protocol to delete any reports. 227 00:11:09,385 --> 00:11:11,995 Even ones that are later replaced by updated results, 228 00:11:12,134 --> 00:11:13,573 and you know why. 229 00:11:13,956 --> 00:11:17,287 Because it can be construed as consciousness of guilt. 230 00:11:19,198 --> 00:11:20,769 Julia's the best there is. 231 00:11:20,924 --> 00:11:24,096 Do you think she'd accidentally forget protocol? 232 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:26,992 She couldn't find any evidence on the dead girl, 233 00:11:27,127 --> 00:11:29,557 she decided to take matters into her own hands 234 00:11:29,674 --> 00:11:31,213 and create some. 235 00:11:36,119 --> 00:11:37,588 Oh, here's the bail agreement. 236 00:11:37,651 --> 00:11:38,894 = Is she on her way? Already here. 237 00:11:38,956 --> 00:11:40,776 She and Benny are waiting in your office. 238 00:11:41,393 --> 00:11:45,182 Assistant District Attorney Williams is not your friend. 239 00:11:45,393 --> 00:11:46,956 I never said that he was. 240 00:11:47,198 --> 00:11:50,268 He's claiming you destroyed an official autopsy report. 241 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:54,424 Did you write an official report stating that you didn't find 242 00:11:54,526 --> 00:11:57,768 any physical evidence after your examination of Emily Baker 243 00:11:57,838 --> 00:12:01,385 and then delete that report from the official citywide records? 244 00:12:01,448 --> 00:12:02,643 Yes. 245 00:12:02,877 --> 00:12:04,049 It was... 246 00:12:04,112 --> 00:12:05,268 years ago. I mean... 247 00:12:05,331 --> 00:12:07,362 You have to know how bad that's gonna look to a jury. 248 00:12:07,424 --> 00:12:09,268 That first report was useless. 249 00:12:09,331 --> 00:12:11,870 It only said that I didn't find anything. 250 00:12:11,950 --> 00:12:13,658 Yes, but in a court of law, 251 00:12:13,721 --> 00:12:17,229 it's going to look like a prior inconsistent statement. 252 00:12:17,549 --> 00:12:19,398 You weren't supposed to delete it. 253 00:12:19,541 --> 00:12:22,737 You were supposed to keep it and turn it over in discovery. 254 00:12:22,843 --> 00:12:24,372 No, I wasn't gonna do that. 255 00:12:24,564 --> 00:12:26,932 Malford's lawyers would've just used it 256 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:30,221 to-to call in to question the evidence that I did find. 257 00:12:30,301 --> 00:12:32,065 I know how these people operate. 258 00:12:32,135 --> 00:12:36,284 Julia, that first report is still evidence. 259 00:12:36,510 --> 00:12:38,010 You can't just destroy evidence 260 00:12:38,088 --> 00:12:39,487 because it doesn't suit your needs. 261 00:12:39,550 --> 00:12:43,382 Okay, technically, that first report was about an absence 262 00:12:43,445 --> 00:12:46,013 of evidence, which isn't really evidence. 263 00:12:46,158 --> 00:12:47,604 Okay, all right. 264 00:12:47,725 --> 00:12:50,323 The bottom line is, and-and I know 265 00:12:50,416 --> 00:12:52,846 you couldn't see the future from where you were standing, 266 00:12:53,213 --> 00:12:55,213 you didn't do yourself any favors. 267 00:12:55,486 --> 00:12:58,854 The D.A.'s office is gonna say that you intentionally deleted 268 00:12:58,963 --> 00:13:01,179 that report to make it easier for you 269 00:13:01,257 --> 00:13:02,632 to intentionally plant the evidence. 270 00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:04,381 But that isn't what actually happened. 271 00:13:04,607 --> 00:13:06,643 Even if it looks like that's what happened. 272 00:13:06,788 --> 00:13:09,283 It really boils down to this: either you made a mistake, 273 00:13:09,346 --> 00:13:12,141 or someone, quite possibly you, is guilty of malfeasance. 274 00:13:12,223 --> 00:13:14,752 Well, Danny's already looking into malfeasance. 275 00:13:15,049 --> 00:13:18,239 She's trying to find anyone with the means and motive 276 00:13:18,321 --> 00:13:19,627 to have switched out the hairs. 277 00:13:19,709 --> 00:13:23,462 Which in the meantime leaves us with: mistake. 278 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,601 As I've already explained to you, 279 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,788 I don't make those kinds of mistakes. 280 00:13:27,851 --> 00:13:29,515 Well, then someone else did. 281 00:13:31,426 --> 00:13:33,486 In either event, we need to follow chain of custody. 282 00:13:33,564 --> 00:13:36,975 I need to know everyone who had access to that hair. 283 00:13:37,514 --> 00:13:39,521 Julia, can you talk to my investigator, 284 00:13:39,603 --> 00:13:42,249 talk to her about how evidence is catalogued and stored, 285 00:13:42,312 --> 00:13:44,374 who had access, how they get access? 286 00:13:44,437 --> 00:13:45,927 Of course.Excellent. 287 00:13:47,287 --> 00:13:49,560 Well, then, Mr. Colón and I will see you in court 288 00:13:49,623 --> 00:13:51,685 later this afternoon. 289 00:13:53,794 --> 00:13:55,140 Everything all right? 290 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,147 I guess. 291 00:13:57,646 --> 00:13:59,951 I just realized I don't know where to go. 292 00:14:00,275 --> 00:14:02,943 And what to do until court. 293 00:14:03,474 --> 00:14:06,431 You know, my first instinct is to rush back to the morgue 294 00:14:06,494 --> 00:14:09,185 and then I remembered that I can't. 295 00:14:16,441 --> 00:14:18,152 Not to worry. 296 00:14:20,538 --> 00:14:22,402 It is gonna be tough to find jurors 297 00:14:22,465 --> 00:14:23,816 who aren't put off by our client. 298 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:25,198 Mm. 299 00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:29,112 Maybe we should look for people who only see the best in others. 300 00:14:29,456 --> 00:14:32,214 Actually, I was thinking just the opposite. 301 00:14:32,862 --> 00:14:35,708 What? People who only see the worst? 302 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:37,467 You ever heard of Hanlon's razor? 303 00:14:37,530 --> 00:14:38,576 No. 304 00:14:38,747 --> 00:14:40,319 "Never attribute to malice 305 00:14:40,416 --> 00:14:43,131 that which is adequately explained by stupidity." 306 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:46,014 We need people who will look at this situation. 307 00:14:46,083 --> 00:14:49,658 Julia's gotten into and think, "This isn't some big conspiracy. 308 00:14:49,842 --> 00:14:52,451 This is probably just someone's stupid mistake." 309 00:14:52,576 --> 00:14:54,381 Good afternoon. 310 00:14:54,982 --> 00:14:58,537 So let's say you send an e-mail to your boss 311 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,254 asking him for time off. 312 00:15:00,636 --> 00:15:02,990 A day goes by and he doesn't respond. 313 00:15:03,482 --> 00:15:04,810 What do you make of that? 314 00:15:04,935 --> 00:15:06,044 He's busy. 315 00:15:06,107 --> 00:15:07,826 I like her. Tell me why I shouldn't. 316 00:15:07,904 --> 00:15:09,662 Jennifer Thomas, single mom, 317 00:15:09,725 --> 00:15:13,654 43 years old, two kids and you are going to hate this: 318 00:15:13,717 --> 00:15:16,986 she works at an insurance company as a claims manager. 319 00:15:19,551 --> 00:15:21,377 Can I pick 'em or can I pick 'em? 320 00:15:21,554 --> 00:15:24,572 Probably spends her days looking at inflated insurance claims. 321 00:15:24,913 --> 00:15:27,399 She's the very definition of what we don't want. 322 00:15:27,550 --> 00:15:30,306 We'd like to thank and excuse this juror, Your Honor. 323 00:15:32,931 --> 00:15:34,042 Personally? 324 00:15:34,306 --> 00:15:36,807 I hate it when people don't respond to my e-mails. 325 00:15:36,947 --> 00:15:38,033 Why is that? 326 00:15:38,164 --> 00:15:41,048 Well, they're trying to tell me that I don't matter. 327 00:15:42,987 --> 00:15:44,673 I guess I figured he didn't get the e-mail, 328 00:15:44,798 --> 00:15:46,658 or maybe he deleted it by accident. 329 00:15:47,204 --> 00:15:49,821 Because anyone can make an honest mistake, right? 330 00:15:49,925 --> 00:15:50,941 Sure. 331 00:15:53,467 --> 00:15:55,817 This juror's acceptable to the defense, Your Honor. 332 00:15:56,032 --> 00:15:58,711 Then, ladies and gentlemen, we have our jury. 333 00:15:59,364 --> 00:16:01,322 Trial will commence tomorrow morning. 334 00:16:01,537 --> 00:16:02,674 Court is adjourned. 335 00:16:04,625 --> 00:16:06,714 This thing that you're doing, it's not gonna work. 336 00:16:06,827 --> 00:16:09,930 I didn't make a mistake. I don't make mistakes. 337 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:12,024 You're making one now. 338 00:16:12,538 --> 00:16:14,711 So you were the lab tech on the Malford autopsies? 339 00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:16,743 It made my career. Julia's, too. 340 00:16:16,969 --> 00:16:18,540 I hear she's a tough boss. 341 00:16:18,968 --> 00:16:20,805 She's a little uptight. 342 00:16:21,313 --> 00:16:23,467 But honestly, that's what you need around here. 343 00:16:23,594 --> 00:16:24,681 And who handled the evidence 344 00:16:24,763 --> 00:16:25,856 besides Julia? 345 00:16:25,954 --> 00:16:27,180 No one. 346 00:16:27,586 --> 00:16:28,782 Really? 347 00:16:29,141 --> 00:16:31,813 Julia insisted on doing it all herself. 348 00:16:32,157 --> 00:16:33,290 All of it? 349 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,418 She was certified to test DNA? 350 00:16:36,227 --> 00:16:38,313 She's kind of a control freak. 351 00:16:38,753 --> 00:16:42,602 So she put the hair in the bag, tested it, sealed it, 352 00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:44,875 signed it into the storage locker all by herself? 353 00:16:46,844 --> 00:16:47,961 Dr. Henson, 354 00:16:48,157 --> 00:16:50,277 you were the defendant's supervisor 355 00:16:50,359 --> 00:16:51,969 during the Malford investigation. 356 00:16:52,196 --> 00:16:54,290 There was a team of us working on it, 357 00:16:54,394 --> 00:16:56,790 looking for something of forensic value. 358 00:16:56,980 --> 00:16:58,969 And you didn't find anything, did you? 359 00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:00,336 No. 360 00:17:00,428 --> 00:17:02,604 But then, something happened. 361 00:17:03,141 --> 00:17:06,860 Dr. Martin stayed on after we completed the autopsy. 362 00:17:06,983 --> 00:17:09,227 A few hours later, she notified me, 363 00:17:09,383 --> 00:17:11,313 said she found a hair. 364 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,485 We were all stunned. 365 00:17:13,618 --> 00:17:14,711 Why? 366 00:17:15,001 --> 00:17:17,860 Well, we had searched every inch of the victim's body. 367 00:17:17,969 --> 00:17:19,937 But you were pleased. Of course. 368 00:17:20,135 --> 00:17:21,415 We all wanted to put an end 369 00:17:21,478 --> 00:17:24,094 to this horrible string of sexual attacks and murders. 370 00:17:24,180 --> 00:17:26,922 So you were proud of Dr. Martin? 371 00:17:28,243 --> 00:17:30,571 I was proud of our unit. 372 00:17:31,713 --> 00:17:34,196 I sense some hesitation on your behalf 373 00:17:34,301 --> 00:17:36,221 with regard to Dr. Martin. 374 00:17:37,094 --> 00:17:39,469 She has always been very diligent. 375 00:17:39,876 --> 00:17:41,047 Very determined. 376 00:17:41,218 --> 00:17:45,188 But frankly, she was very hard on people. 377 00:17:45,416 --> 00:17:47,636 She could be quite arrogant. 378 00:17:49,845 --> 00:17:51,165 Thank you. 379 00:17:51,425 --> 00:17:52,750 Nothing further. 380 00:17:57,357 --> 00:17:59,875 Good morning, Dr. Henson. 381 00:18:00,391 --> 00:18:01,688 I just need you 382 00:18:01,807 --> 00:18:03,235 to clear something up. 383 00:18:04,215 --> 00:18:05,767 You know, in the whole time that you ran 384 00:18:05,829 --> 00:18:09,977 the medical examiner's office, you never once did complain 385 00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:13,434 about my client's job performance, did you? 386 00:18:13,954 --> 00:18:16,276 Not in any performance review, 387 00:18:16,358 --> 00:18:19,056 not even casually, in a face-to-face with her, say, 388 00:18:19,138 --> 00:18:20,286 in your office? 389 00:18:20,825 --> 00:18:21,872 No. 390 00:18:22,004 --> 00:18:24,075 And isn't it true that she replaced you? 391 00:18:24,281 --> 00:18:27,028 That she went from being your subordinate to your supervisor? 392 00:18:27,147 --> 00:18:28,973 That's not how I would describe it. 393 00:18:29,036 --> 00:18:31,609 Ah, well, how would you describe it? 394 00:18:32,411 --> 00:18:35,614 I mean, uh, one day, she's working for you, 395 00:18:35,677 --> 00:18:38,223 and the next day, she's your boss. 396 00:18:38,701 --> 00:18:41,318 It stands to reason that you probably harbor 397 00:18:41,381 --> 00:18:43,864 some resentment towards Dr. Martin, wouldn't you say? 398 00:18:44,007 --> 00:18:45,149 Objection. 399 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,432 Ask another question. 400 00:18:47,887 --> 00:18:51,294 I mean, she fired you. 401 00:18:51,411 --> 00:18:53,184 - Didn't she? - Objection. 402 00:18:53,681 --> 00:18:54,934 What's the relevance? 403 00:18:54,997 --> 00:18:56,738 It goes to bias, Your Honor. 404 00:18:57,133 --> 00:19:00,533 Dr. Henson is using this courtroom to settle a score. 405 00:19:01,006 --> 00:19:02,309 Overruled. 406 00:19:02,395 --> 00:19:03,831 Please answer the question. 407 00:19:04,747 --> 00:19:07,536 We had differences of opinion on a number of cases. 408 00:19:07,876 --> 00:19:11,505 But she has the right to work with whomever she chooses. 409 00:19:13,502 --> 00:19:17,387 I will admit that I did not like the way she operated the unit. 410 00:19:17,692 --> 00:19:21,575 In my opinion, she was obsessive. 411 00:19:21,713 --> 00:19:23,817 Determined to solve any case, no matter what. 412 00:19:24,184 --> 00:19:27,926 Sometimes even if the forensics did not bear her out. 413 00:19:28,801 --> 00:19:29,918 But again, 414 00:19:30,028 --> 00:19:31,692 that is your opinion. 415 00:19:32,516 --> 00:19:37,723 The opinion of the man she replaced and ultimately fired. 416 00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:40,973 Just my opinion. 417 00:19:41,747 --> 00:19:43,794 No further questions, Your Honor. 418 00:19:48,885 --> 00:19:50,262 This is the last of it. 419 00:19:50,426 --> 00:19:53,091 Every piece of information about the hair that exists. 420 00:19:53,245 --> 00:19:55,682 Your original analysis, your second analysis, 421 00:19:55,745 --> 00:19:58,997 the independent analysis, photos, storage data. 422 00:20:04,911 --> 00:20:06,661 Anything jumping out at you? 423 00:20:07,567 --> 00:20:08,708 Not yet. 424 00:20:08,771 --> 00:20:11,099 I'm not trying to get out of anything, but honestly, 425 00:20:11,162 --> 00:20:13,302 I have no idea what I'm reading here. 426 00:20:13,526 --> 00:20:14,745 Just give it to me. 427 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:17,810 You, too. Give me yours. 428 00:20:26,671 --> 00:20:29,366 You don't have to sit here. I don't need a babysitter. 429 00:20:32,406 --> 00:20:33,712 I'll be in my office. 430 00:20:33,795 --> 00:20:35,352 I'll be in my bed. 431 00:20:51,861 --> 00:20:53,110 Should I come back? 432 00:20:53,256 --> 00:20:55,282 Of course not. What's up? 433 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,940 Pollen. 434 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,453 Excuse me? 435 00:20:58,637 --> 00:21:00,857 The hair all the outside labs have been testing 436 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,750 is covered with pollen. 437 00:21:03,786 --> 00:21:05,493 And that matters because...? 438 00:21:05,556 --> 00:21:07,621 Well, to begin with, it makes me wonder 439 00:21:07,684 --> 00:21:09,813 whether the hair is actually a pubic hair at all. 440 00:21:09,876 --> 00:21:13,321 And if so, how it possibly came into contact with pollen. 441 00:21:14,711 --> 00:21:16,735 Well, I'm sure, with a little imagination, 442 00:21:16,798 --> 00:21:18,657 someone will come up with a scenario. 443 00:21:19,449 --> 00:21:22,008 Emily was murdered in the dead of winter. 444 00:21:24,211 --> 00:21:26,602 And in the dead of winter, there is no pollen. 445 00:21:27,743 --> 00:21:31,735 This is not the hair I found on Emily's body. 446 00:21:35,399 --> 00:21:36,753 Dr. Martin, 447 00:21:36,999 --> 00:21:40,024 isn't it true that the night that you 448 00:21:40,328 --> 00:21:43,250 found the sole piece of DNA evidence against Mr. Malford, 449 00:21:43,329 --> 00:21:45,281 that... everyone had gone home 450 00:21:45,344 --> 00:21:48,085 and... you were completely alone with the victim's body? 451 00:21:48,290 --> 00:21:50,641 - Yes. - And do you regularly 452 00:21:50,704 --> 00:21:53,039 perform autopsies alone, 453 00:21:53,289 --> 00:21:55,204 late at night, when everyone's gone home for the day? 454 00:21:55,266 --> 00:21:56,408 Yes. 455 00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:58,355 And why is that? 456 00:21:58,656 --> 00:22:01,016 I have a really particular skill set, 457 00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:03,086 and I find that skill set works best 458 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:05,227 when there's just two of us in the room. 459 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:07,203 Myself, and the cadaver. 460 00:22:07,652 --> 00:22:11,569 Other people really just end up being distractions. 461 00:22:11,792 --> 00:22:13,961 All right. Let's talk about that. 462 00:22:14,386 --> 00:22:16,812 When you say that other people are distractions, 463 00:22:16,875 --> 00:22:19,828 it sounds very... negative. 464 00:22:19,976 --> 00:22:21,099 Very dismissive. 465 00:22:21,227 --> 00:22:22,758 One could easily get the impression 466 00:22:22,821 --> 00:22:24,891 that... you just don't like people. 467 00:22:25,033 --> 00:22:27,586 And we want the jurors to like you. 468 00:22:27,743 --> 00:22:30,570 And it helps if they think you might like them. 469 00:22:32,128 --> 00:22:34,125 I don't know them. 470 00:22:34,479 --> 00:22:35,883 Of course. 471 00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:40,164 Okay, um, let's forget that line of thinking. 472 00:22:40,539 --> 00:22:43,007 Here's another reason why saying you find 473 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:45,828 other people distracting might not serve your best interests: 474 00:22:45,965 --> 00:22:48,000 anything that makes it sound like you don't like 475 00:22:48,130 --> 00:22:50,039 having people around when you do your work 476 00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:52,367 might make the jurors think that you don't 477 00:22:52,517 --> 00:22:55,344 want company because it makes it harder 478 00:22:55,531 --> 00:22:57,289 to manipulate evidence. 479 00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:00,570 You see that, right? 480 00:23:00,687 --> 00:23:03,173 - I don't manipulate evidence. - I know that. 481 00:23:03,286 --> 00:23:05,914 But you're-you're talking to people who don't know you. 482 00:23:06,312 --> 00:23:08,992 So how would you suggest I answer that? 483 00:23:09,507 --> 00:23:13,255 Well, maybe there's another reason you work late 484 00:23:13,337 --> 00:23:15,195 that wouldn't lead them to the same conclusion. 485 00:23:15,595 --> 00:23:18,547 Maybe you find it impossible to sleep 486 00:23:18,664 --> 00:23:20,937 when there are grieving friends and relatives 487 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,430 out there waiting for answers 488 00:23:22,493 --> 00:23:24,766 as to what happened to their loved ones? 489 00:23:25,461 --> 00:23:28,187 I can't say that. That's-that's not the truth. 490 00:23:28,565 --> 00:23:29,773 Maybe there's a truth 491 00:23:29,884 --> 00:23:32,297 that's more palatable to the jury. 492 00:23:34,375 --> 00:23:38,498 Mr. Palmer, I'm a scientist, and scientists deal with facts. 493 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,859 There is one truth, there's one right answer. 494 00:23:42,192 --> 00:23:45,828 If you ask me a question, I am going to give you that truth. 495 00:23:45,985 --> 00:23:47,883 As to whether it's palatable, 496 00:23:48,051 --> 00:23:50,188 that's not something I've ever concerned myself with. 497 00:23:50,269 --> 00:23:52,639 Well, it ought to be, because you're gonna be spending 498 00:23:52,702 --> 00:23:55,192 ten years in prison for something that you didn't do 499 00:23:55,255 --> 00:23:57,262 if we can't make the jury understand 500 00:23:57,325 --> 00:23:58,858 your side of the story. 501 00:23:58,987 --> 00:24:01,512 Okay, again, there is no "my side" of the story. 502 00:24:01,585 --> 00:24:02,895 There is what happened, 503 00:24:03,274 --> 00:24:05,112 and there is what did not happen. 504 00:24:05,539 --> 00:24:08,816 There is truth and fact, and there is falsehood. 505 00:24:08,889 --> 00:24:12,347 You can't spin the truth, you cannot polish it up 506 00:24:12,445 --> 00:24:14,878 or put lipstick on a pig, which is what I feel like 507 00:24:14,941 --> 00:24:16,542 you're trying to do to me right now. 508 00:24:16,662 --> 00:24:17,995 I am what I am. 509 00:24:18,083 --> 00:24:20,487 I did what I did, and I don't regret a minute of it 510 00:24:20,550 --> 00:24:22,878 because I did it all by the book. 511 00:24:25,112 --> 00:24:26,605 So are we done here? 512 00:24:27,245 --> 00:24:28,917 It certainly seems that way. 513 00:24:29,331 --> 00:24:31,409 - You talk to Chunk? - Sure did. 514 00:24:31,634 --> 00:24:33,347 You still want to put her on the stand? 515 00:24:33,494 --> 00:24:34,577 I do. 516 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,698 He said that she's fundamentally incapable 517 00:24:36,761 --> 00:24:39,252 of shading her answers even one iota. 518 00:24:39,484 --> 00:24:41,909 Even at the risk of sending herself to prison. 519 00:24:42,121 --> 00:24:43,839 I'm waiting for the bad news. 520 00:24:44,196 --> 00:24:46,205 I'm pretty sure I just gave you the bad news. 521 00:24:46,269 --> 00:24:49,104 So the truth is, this woman can't even fudge the facts 522 00:24:49,193 --> 00:24:50,620 to keep herself out of jail. 523 00:24:50,797 --> 00:24:53,190 Now we just have to get a jury to understand that that means 524 00:24:53,253 --> 00:24:55,217 she couldn't possibly have fudged them 525 00:24:55,496 --> 00:24:57,604 to put someone else behind bars. 526 00:24:58,074 --> 00:24:59,390 We've heard a lot 527 00:24:59,453 --> 00:25:02,331 about the fact that you like to work alone 528 00:25:02,551 --> 00:25:04,182 and often late at night. 529 00:25:04,256 --> 00:25:05,854 Can you please tell us 530 00:25:05,972 --> 00:25:07,948 why that's your practice, Dr. Martin? 531 00:25:10,088 --> 00:25:12,542 I'm not good with people. 532 00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:16,167 I know how that sounds. 533 00:25:16,449 --> 00:25:19,268 Trust me, it's not made me a lot of friends. 534 00:25:20,786 --> 00:25:22,776 But I am good at my job. 535 00:25:23,236 --> 00:25:25,552 I'm great at my job. 536 00:25:25,955 --> 00:25:27,962 And in order to be the best at my job, 537 00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:29,573 I have to be able to concentrate. 538 00:25:29,671 --> 00:25:32,799 I have to know that every single step of that process 539 00:25:32,862 --> 00:25:35,635 was done with precision and care. 540 00:25:35,995 --> 00:25:38,815 And if I do every step myself, I don't have to worry 541 00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:40,462 that it wasn't done properly. 542 00:25:41,213 --> 00:25:42,385 I don't have to worry 543 00:25:42,448 --> 00:25:45,636 that I offended someone because I criticized them 544 00:25:45,699 --> 00:25:47,206 for making a mistake. 545 00:25:47,685 --> 00:25:49,471 Or that I forgot to praise someone 546 00:25:49,534 --> 00:25:51,596 for just doing their job. 547 00:25:52,667 --> 00:25:56,370 So what do you say to the allegations 548 00:25:56,543 --> 00:25:58,681 that you falsified evidence 549 00:25:58,763 --> 00:26:01,042 in order to get a conviction against John Malford? 550 00:26:01,448 --> 00:26:03,721 I would say that's ridiculous. 551 00:26:04,237 --> 00:26:06,042 I don't care about John Malford. 552 00:26:06,682 --> 00:26:09,121 I have never cared about who gets convicted. 553 00:26:09,203 --> 00:26:11,476 That's not a win for me. 554 00:26:11,558 --> 00:26:13,907 A win for me is finding the right answer. 555 00:26:14,147 --> 00:26:17,634 It's solving the puzzle, it's making the crime stop. 556 00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:21,227 I do crosswords a lot. 557 00:26:21,391 --> 00:26:23,421 And they have these new apps now. 558 00:26:23,537 --> 00:26:26,163 If you get stuck, you can prompt it, and it'll give you a word, 559 00:26:26,226 --> 00:26:28,109 or it will give you a letter. 560 00:26:28,209 --> 00:26:30,624 And I would... I would just never do that. 561 00:26:30,857 --> 00:26:33,249 I would never want to do that, 562 00:26:33,685 --> 00:26:36,382 because having a filled-out crossword, 563 00:26:37,194 --> 00:26:38,820 that does nothing for me. 564 00:26:39,284 --> 00:26:44,085 But solving it myself, that's the part that's satisfying. 565 00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:49,054 So no, I would never falsify evidence to get a conviction, 566 00:26:49,164 --> 00:26:52,645 because then I would never really know who did it. 567 00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:54,734 I wouldn't solve the puzzle. 568 00:26:55,772 --> 00:26:59,031 If you cheat, you never find the truth. 569 00:27:03,262 --> 00:27:04,335 Marissa? 570 00:27:04,403 --> 00:27:05,741 No movement yet, 571 00:27:05,826 --> 00:27:08,484 but they clearly want to believe her. 572 00:27:08,764 --> 00:27:10,234 Baby steps. 573 00:27:12,766 --> 00:27:15,788 I'm starting to think Chunk doesn't know his own strength. 574 00:27:15,877 --> 00:27:18,093 Kept telling me she was hopeless, but he actually 575 00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:20,859 turned her into a very effective witness. 576 00:27:21,485 --> 00:27:24,577 - Ah, speak of the devil. - Oh... 577 00:27:26,983 --> 00:27:28,561 What have we here? 578 00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:29,843 Well, 579 00:27:29,906 --> 00:27:32,530 I wasn't able to connect Malford directly to any of the people 580 00:27:32,593 --> 00:27:34,389 who worked at the medical examiner's office, 581 00:27:34,452 --> 00:27:36,828 - but then Danny had a great idea. - Serial killers 582 00:27:37,008 --> 00:27:38,989 like Malford tend to attract obsessive fans. 583 00:27:39,052 --> 00:27:40,910 Total strangers who begin to believe they have 584 00:27:40,973 --> 00:27:42,867 an intimate relationship with these killers. 585 00:27:42,944 --> 00:27:44,864 Excessive adoration disorder. 586 00:27:44,938 --> 00:27:46,882 Oh, yeah. I've heard of this. 587 00:27:47,116 --> 00:27:50,492 Crazy ladies who marry prisoners they've never met before. 588 00:27:50,959 --> 00:27:53,515 Well, they're not all ladies and they don't all get married, 589 00:27:53,578 --> 00:27:55,211 but yes, that's what we're talking about. 590 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,234 Malford hasn't had a jailhouse wedding yet, 591 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,500 but he does have quite the fan club. 592 00:27:59,710 --> 00:28:01,795 Our guy's gotten thousands of letters, 593 00:28:01,906 --> 00:28:03,678 and he's responded to hundreds of them. 594 00:28:03,771 --> 00:28:05,662 The good news is, Sing Sing keeps a scan 595 00:28:05,757 --> 00:28:07,553 of all incoming and outgoing mail, 596 00:28:07,647 --> 00:28:09,194 and they gave Taylor access. 597 00:28:09,327 --> 00:28:11,686 Any one of these admirers sound like they'd be willing 598 00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:13,295 to help Malford break out of prison? 599 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,458 Oh, yeah. 600 00:28:14,521 --> 00:28:15,967 There's no shortage of those. 601 00:28:16,030 --> 00:28:18,240 But we're still talking about over two dozen people. 602 00:28:18,303 --> 00:28:20,084 The math is not encouraging. 603 00:28:20,262 --> 00:28:22,007 More than 80 people had access 604 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:23,701 to the evidence storage facility. 605 00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:26,592 More than two dozen crazies writing love letters. 606 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:28,194 That's a lot of leads 607 00:28:28,281 --> 00:28:30,256 to be running down in the middle of a trial. 608 00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:32,701 We don't have the time. 609 00:28:32,866 --> 00:28:34,477 I'm betting a day, maybe two, 610 00:28:34,568 --> 00:28:37,303 before the judge forces us to rest our case. 611 00:28:38,436 --> 00:28:40,639 Maybe we should just go right to the source. 612 00:28:41,102 --> 00:28:42,412 Excuse me? 613 00:28:42,935 --> 00:28:45,388 See how early Benny and I can get into Sing Sing tomorrow 614 00:28:45,451 --> 00:28:47,147 to talk with John Malford. 615 00:28:47,365 --> 00:28:50,084 Uh... John Malford? Seriously? 616 00:28:50,227 --> 00:28:53,273 Uhm. Sometimes the shortest distance between two points 617 00:28:53,336 --> 00:28:54,826 is a straight line. 618 00:28:54,903 --> 00:28:57,100 We need to figure out who's helping this guy 619 00:28:57,163 --> 00:29:00,959 break out of prison; why don't we just go ask him? 620 00:29:05,483 --> 00:29:06,968 So what's the game plan here, boss? 621 00:29:07,031 --> 00:29:09,030 I just want to look him in the eye, see what I see. 622 00:29:09,092 --> 00:29:11,475 Maybe he'll offer something useful, maybe he won't. 623 00:29:11,740 --> 00:29:14,240 Serial killers tend to be outsized narcissists. 624 00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:16,967 Nothing they like to talk about more than themselves. 625 00:29:17,076 --> 00:29:18,807 I just want to get him talking. 626 00:29:23,287 --> 00:29:26,107 Ryan, good to see you. 627 00:29:26,459 --> 00:29:27,973 I didn't know you'd be joining us. 628 00:29:28,036 --> 00:29:29,959 Benny, Dr. Bull, pleasure. 629 00:29:30,217 --> 00:29:32,772 When the prison informed me you'd requested a meeting, 630 00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:34,483 I thought it wise to sit in. 631 00:29:34,592 --> 00:29:35,764 Of course. 632 00:29:35,834 --> 00:29:38,389 Just to be clear, this was all very last minute. 633 00:29:38,959 --> 00:29:40,350 Nobody's trying to pull a fast one... 634 00:29:40,412 --> 00:29:42,061 Never even crossed my mind. 635 00:29:42,225 --> 00:29:44,068 Just want to be certain everyone remembers, 636 00:29:44,154 --> 00:29:45,764 my client isn't on trial. 637 00:29:45,928 --> 00:29:47,045 Yours is. 638 00:29:47,264 --> 00:29:49,865 Oh, I think we're all very clear about that. 639 00:29:51,861 --> 00:29:53,592 You must be Mr. Malford. 640 00:29:53,811 --> 00:29:55,022 Yeah. John. 641 00:29:55,454 --> 00:29:56,765 Who are you? 642 00:29:56,944 --> 00:29:59,412 These are the gentlemen representing the medical examiner 643 00:29:59,498 --> 00:30:01,928 who falsified the evidence that got you locked up, John. 644 00:30:02,177 --> 00:30:03,195 Hmm. 645 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:04,585 So... 646 00:30:04,811 --> 00:30:06,500 what can we do for you? 647 00:30:06,589 --> 00:30:08,440 Well, we just wanted to get a look at the man 648 00:30:08,503 --> 00:30:10,297 who's at the center of our case. 649 00:30:10,841 --> 00:30:12,669 How you holding up in here, John? 650 00:30:12,993 --> 00:30:14,290 Holding up good. 651 00:30:14,372 --> 00:30:17,468 Working out, food's okay. 652 00:30:17,844 --> 00:30:19,470 How's your head? 653 00:30:19,766 --> 00:30:22,735 You lonely? You have any friends? 654 00:30:22,875 --> 00:30:25,313 Oh, yeah. I got friends. 655 00:30:25,508 --> 00:30:27,172 Inside and outside. 656 00:30:27,469 --> 00:30:28,641 Aha. 657 00:30:28,719 --> 00:30:30,345 How do you mean, "outside"? 658 00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:31,692 Oh, you know. 659 00:30:31,878 --> 00:30:36,285 I get letters, pictures. People want to visit. 660 00:30:36,449 --> 00:30:39,800 Want to, um, make friends. 661 00:30:41,331 --> 00:30:42,580 - Women. - Mm. 662 00:30:42,662 --> 00:30:47,331 Oh. That sounds like a... great life. 663 00:30:47,902 --> 00:30:50,074 Some of those pictures are naked. 664 00:30:51,011 --> 00:30:52,672 So, you two working for the prison now? 665 00:30:52,754 --> 00:30:55,597 Hmm? Conducting a customer satisfaction survey? 666 00:30:55,972 --> 00:30:58,089 The point is, John here's been a model prisoner, 667 00:30:58,152 --> 00:31:00,042 he's adapted to prison life flawlessly. 668 00:31:00,199 --> 00:31:03,019 Not a black mark on his record to hinder his appeal. 669 00:31:03,255 --> 00:31:06,050 Ah. Right. John's appeal. 670 00:31:06,808 --> 00:31:08,902 Hey, I-I've got to ask, 671 00:31:09,027 --> 00:31:10,863 why even bother with the appeal? 672 00:31:10,926 --> 00:31:13,308 You seem so content. 673 00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:14,677 Because he's innocent. 674 00:31:15,777 --> 00:31:16,831 What do I care 675 00:31:16,913 --> 00:31:19,261 if this guy wants to push some papers around? 676 00:31:19,853 --> 00:31:21,115 No skin off my back. 677 00:31:21,178 --> 00:31:22,777 I mean, what's the worst thing that happens? 678 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,835 I actually... get out? 679 00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:28,355 You're right. 680 00:31:28,477 --> 00:31:29,933 No harm, no foul. 681 00:31:30,155 --> 00:31:33,035 This has been great. 682 00:31:34,061 --> 00:31:36,402 Really... helpful. 683 00:31:37,542 --> 00:31:38,699 Mr. Vance. 684 00:31:39,128 --> 00:31:40,581 Mr. Malford. 685 00:31:43,284 --> 00:31:45,230 Hey, why'd you cut bait like that? 686 00:31:46,066 --> 00:31:47,441 The guy was just warming up. 687 00:31:47,504 --> 00:31:49,527 Maybe we could've gotten a name, 688 00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:52,238 maybe found our inside man at the morgue. 689 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:54,292 There is no name. 690 00:31:54,438 --> 00:31:56,402 There is no inside man at the morgue. 691 00:31:56,493 --> 00:31:57,630 How do you mean? 692 00:31:59,461 --> 00:32:01,847 Did Malford seem like he'd even contemplated 693 00:32:01,948 --> 00:32:03,389 life outside of prison? 694 00:32:03,628 --> 00:32:06,054 No. It didn't seem like 695 00:32:06,136 --> 00:32:08,511 he actually cared much about his appeal at all. 696 00:32:08,704 --> 00:32:10,706 Exactly. He also showed very little interest 697 00:32:10,769 --> 00:32:11,812 in Julia's case. 698 00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:14,051 Now, if this guy spent the last six years 699 00:32:14,185 --> 00:32:17,410 hatching this scheme and manipulating some admirer 700 00:32:17,449 --> 00:32:18,980 to do his bidding, don't you think he'd be 701 00:32:19,042 --> 00:32:21,041 a little more invested in the fruits of his labor? 702 00:32:21,738 --> 00:32:23,300 So, Malford didn't do it? 703 00:32:23,431 --> 00:32:25,394 Malford didn't change the evidence? 704 00:32:25,686 --> 00:32:27,175 Back to square one? 705 00:32:28,246 --> 00:32:29,667 Maybe not. 706 00:32:29,950 --> 00:32:32,518 Malford might have no interest in Julia's case, 707 00:32:32,607 --> 00:32:36,230 but someone put this thing in motion. 708 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,519 Who do you mean? 709 00:32:39,449 --> 00:32:41,437 Ryan? No. 710 00:32:41,675 --> 00:32:43,980 Ryan's his lawyer. He's just doing his job. 711 00:32:44,193 --> 00:32:47,035 You don't think it strange that he was there 712 00:32:47,136 --> 00:32:49,527 at that meeting just now, or that he has been 713 00:32:49,614 --> 00:32:52,175 in court every day of Julia's trial? 714 00:32:54,447 --> 00:32:55,847 I don't know, Bull. 715 00:32:56,488 --> 00:32:59,027 Ryan is not my favorite guy, 716 00:32:59,098 --> 00:33:02,214 but what does he care if Julia goes down? 717 00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:04,449 I'm not sure. 718 00:33:04,833 --> 00:33:06,706 I'm just telling you what I see. 719 00:33:08,855 --> 00:33:10,886 Since we moved off the fangirl theory 720 00:33:10,949 --> 00:33:12,700 and onto Malford's lawyer, 721 00:33:12,801 --> 00:33:14,503 I circled back to the 80 people 722 00:33:14,597 --> 00:33:16,761 who had access to the evidence storage facility 723 00:33:16,824 --> 00:33:18,684 at the medical examiner's office to see if I could 724 00:33:18,746 --> 00:33:20,175 try to find some kind of link. 725 00:33:20,355 --> 00:33:22,706 We never did do a deep dive into any of their finances, 726 00:33:22,769 --> 00:33:24,160 because Malford was broke, 727 00:33:24,253 --> 00:33:26,191 so it didn't seem particularly relevant. 728 00:33:26,331 --> 00:33:30,331 But Malford's attorney, Mr. Ryan Vance, Esquire, is not. 729 00:33:30,472 --> 00:33:32,058 He has plenty of money to pay off 730 00:33:32,128 --> 00:33:34,066 an overworked, underpaid lab tech. 731 00:33:34,355 --> 00:33:35,730 Like Skylar Brown. 732 00:33:35,996 --> 00:33:38,573 Skylar was wrestling with a significant amount of debt. 733 00:33:38,636 --> 00:33:40,214 She maxed out four credit cards and has 734 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:41,804 two delinquent homeowner loans. 735 00:33:41,941 --> 00:33:44,300 But, coincidentally, Skylar seems to have had 736 00:33:44,394 --> 00:33:45,980 a financial windfall, 737 00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:47,331 just three weeks prior 738 00:33:47,421 --> 00:33:49,855 to the independent analysis of Malford's hair. 739 00:33:50,035 --> 00:33:52,304 A cash deposit, $60,000, 740 00:33:52,386 --> 00:33:54,120 straight into her personal checking account. 741 00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:57,644 Hmm. Okay, $60,000 question. 742 00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:59,777 Can we tie any of this cash back to Ryan Vance? 743 00:33:59,894 --> 00:34:02,402 Not yet, but we are gonna keep at it. 744 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,361 I feel the heat all the way over here. 745 00:34:05,567 --> 00:34:07,081 Something not clicking for you? 746 00:34:07,488 --> 00:34:09,902 I got everything but the "why." 747 00:34:10,902 --> 00:34:14,019 Why would a successful attorney like Ryan Vance 748 00:34:14,191 --> 00:34:18,021 put his entire livelihood, his entire legacy on the line 749 00:34:18,339 --> 00:34:21,851 for a rapist and a murderer like John Malford? 750 00:34:22,613 --> 00:34:23,668 So... 751 00:34:23,925 --> 00:34:25,410 why frame Julia? 752 00:34:25,512 --> 00:34:28,238 Why go to all the trouble? 753 00:34:28,871 --> 00:34:31,144 Why risk putting a homicidal sexual predator 754 00:34:31,214 --> 00:34:33,949 back on the street, earn the enmity of the D.A.'s office 755 00:34:34,081 --> 00:34:38,738 by forcing them to reopen every case where Julia's evidence 756 00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:40,565 put someone away? 757 00:34:43,003 --> 00:34:44,488 Why? 758 00:34:46,339 --> 00:34:47,878 What are you thinking? 759 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:49,980 Taylor, how long do you think it'd take 760 00:34:50,042 --> 00:34:52,464 to get a list of Ryan Vance's other clients? 761 00:34:52,574 --> 00:34:55,238 The other clients that are currently incarcerated? 762 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:57,940 I'm kind of in the middle of something... 763 00:34:58,003 --> 00:35:00,347 I don't care. I want that list. 764 00:35:00,691 --> 00:35:01,902 With Your Honor's approval, 765 00:35:01,965 --> 00:35:05,558 we'd like to call the person sitting in the third row, 766 00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:08,996 John Malford's attorney Ryan Vance, to the stand. 767 00:35:09,088 --> 00:35:11,214 Has the defense subpoenaed Mr. Vance? 768 00:35:11,355 --> 00:35:12,519 We don't typically allow 769 00:35:12,636 --> 00:35:14,667 those seated in the gallery to testify. 770 00:35:14,776 --> 00:35:16,613 Yes, we're aware of that, Your Honor. 771 00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:18,761 But we're hoping that the court will see fit 772 00:35:18,832 --> 00:35:20,844 - to grant us this approval. - Your Honor, 773 00:35:21,214 --> 00:35:23,346 I'm sorry, I... this is the first I'm hearing of this. 774 00:35:23,355 --> 00:35:24,385 Mr. Vance's 775 00:35:24,448 --> 00:35:26,363 petition for the independent analysis 776 00:35:26,456 --> 00:35:28,183 of the Malford evidence 777 00:35:28,265 --> 00:35:30,105 initiated this whole trial. 778 00:35:30,581 --> 00:35:32,722 I'd merely like him to speak 779 00:35:32,785 --> 00:35:36,050 to the history of how that new analysis came to be. 780 00:35:37,496 --> 00:35:39,996 All right. I'll allow it. 781 00:35:40,386 --> 00:35:42,761 So Mr. Vance, when you requested 782 00:35:42,824 --> 00:35:45,542 an independent examination of the evidence 783 00:35:45,628 --> 00:35:49,261 in the John Malford case, did you know a negative match 784 00:35:49,339 --> 00:35:53,035 would call into question the professional conduct 785 00:35:53,098 --> 00:35:55,979 and scientific expertise of my client, 786 00:35:56,042 --> 00:35:57,667 Dr. Julia Martin? 787 00:35:57,947 --> 00:35:59,557 That would be a natural consequence. 788 00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:01,951 She did perform the original analysis. 789 00:36:07,027 --> 00:36:08,372 Isn't it true 790 00:36:08,574 --> 00:36:12,019 that other cases will be reexamined as a result 791 00:36:12,113 --> 00:36:14,280 of Dr. Martin's prosecution? 792 00:36:14,378 --> 00:36:19,136 Countless other criminals, murderers, rapists and thieves 793 00:36:19,222 --> 00:36:22,081 are going to file for dismissal of their sentences. 794 00:36:22,144 --> 00:36:23,799 As well they should be, yes. 795 00:36:25,074 --> 00:36:29,620 Ah. I-Isn't it also true that you are the sole owner 796 00:36:29,683 --> 00:36:34,394 of Barnaby Bank account number 00403010? 797 00:36:34,512 --> 00:36:37,261 I don't know, I... It very well could be. 798 00:36:37,324 --> 00:36:38,972 I don't have my account number memorized. 799 00:36:39,035 --> 00:36:42,699 I do bank at Barnaby, so yes, I suppose. 800 00:36:42,845 --> 00:36:48,183 A-And isn't it also true that you withdrew $60,000 in cash 801 00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:50,253 on September 21st from this account? 802 00:36:50,339 --> 00:36:52,354 Again, it's months ago. 803 00:36:52,417 --> 00:36:54,314 I don't have every transaction memorized, 804 00:36:54,377 --> 00:36:56,657 so yes, it's possible, it sounds possible. 805 00:36:56,739 --> 00:36:59,035 If you say so. 806 00:36:59,471 --> 00:37:01,517 Well, it's not me saying it. 807 00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:03,278 Your Honor, 808 00:37:03,628 --> 00:37:06,354 these are Mr. Vance's bank records 809 00:37:06,417 --> 00:37:07,871 for the month of September. 810 00:37:09,441 --> 00:37:12,081 I'd ask that you mark them 811 00:37:12,196 --> 00:37:14,550 as defense exhibit number 14. 812 00:37:14,613 --> 00:37:16,103 So marked. 813 00:37:16,373 --> 00:37:20,768 And lastly, do you know a Skylar Brown? 814 00:37:21,722 --> 00:37:23,037 Uh... 815 00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:25,831 Uh, name rings a bell. I-I can't be certain, though. 816 00:37:26,056 --> 00:37:28,620 Well, she's an employee of the medical examiner's office 817 00:37:28,691 --> 00:37:32,198 with full access to all evidence storage. 818 00:37:32,476 --> 00:37:35,348 Including DNA samples. Objection, Your Honor. Relevance? 819 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:37,624 I'm moments away, Your Honor, I promise. 820 00:37:37,687 --> 00:37:40,030 I certainly hope so. Overruled. 821 00:37:40,187 --> 00:37:41,229 Isn't it strange 822 00:37:41,311 --> 00:37:45,059 that just two days after you made your withdrawal, 823 00:37:45,296 --> 00:37:47,708 Skylar Brown paid off all of her credit cards, 824 00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:50,673 her delinquent loans? 825 00:37:50,755 --> 00:37:53,210 All of her outstanding debts? 826 00:37:53,402 --> 00:37:58,569 Following a deposit of exactly $60,000 in cash 827 00:37:58,687 --> 00:38:00,116 into her checking account? 828 00:38:00,329 --> 00:38:04,171 I wouldn't say strange. I might say coincidental. 829 00:38:04,393 --> 00:38:05,647 Ah. 830 00:38:07,272 --> 00:38:08,642 How old were you when your brother 831 00:38:08,724 --> 00:38:10,351 was convicted of murder? 832 00:38:13,702 --> 00:38:15,432 I really don't think that has anything to do 833 00:38:15,514 --> 00:38:16,655 with the business at hand. 834 00:38:17,081 --> 00:38:21,077 I-Isn't your brother Trevor one of your clients? 835 00:38:22,296 --> 00:38:26,878 And wasn't the evidence in his case also assessed by my client, 836 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,663 Dr. Julia Martin? 837 00:38:29,562 --> 00:38:31,888 And if Dr. Martin is found guilty, 838 00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:34,755 isn't Trevor's conviction likely to be overturned, 839 00:38:34,837 --> 00:38:36,608 just like John Malford's? 840 00:38:37,304 --> 00:38:38,851 And isn't that why you paid 841 00:38:38,944 --> 00:38:42,827 Skylar Brown $60,000, 842 00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:44,804 to replace the hair that was used 843 00:38:44,891 --> 00:38:47,601 to convict your client, John Malford? 844 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:53,692 Mr. Vance, 845 00:38:53,774 --> 00:38:55,776 do you need the question repeated? 846 00:38:57,620 --> 00:38:59,351 Oh, that's all right, Your Honor. 847 00:39:00,018 --> 00:39:02,202 I think the jury already has their answer. 848 00:39:03,127 --> 00:39:04,647 No further questions. 849 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,132 Is the prosecution prepared to cross-examine the witness? 850 00:39:16,803 --> 00:39:19,110 Actually, no. 851 00:39:20,502 --> 00:39:24,158 But we are prepared, based on Ryan Vance's testimony 852 00:39:24,655 --> 00:39:27,429 and the evidence presented by Mr. Colón, 853 00:39:27,891 --> 00:39:29,197 to withdraw our charges 854 00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:30,577 against Dr. Martin... 855 00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:34,835 And offer our apologies. 856 00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:47,776 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 857 00:40:07,315 --> 00:40:11,245 Oh, Dr. Martin, it's 2:00 in the morning, and I heard a noise. 858 00:40:11,995 --> 00:40:14,440 No one else is here, you know, and I was just about to leave. 859 00:40:14,503 --> 00:40:16,495 You gonna be okay? 860 00:40:17,463 --> 00:40:19,378 I'm going to be perfect. 861 00:41:17,774 --> 00:41:20,516 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 862 00:41:20,861 --> 00:41:23,767 Sync corrections by srjanapala 65633

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