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Everybody in that apartment
complex was just like,
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"Yeah, you can't be here anymore."
So, I left.
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Truth is that everywhere that I would go,
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neighbors who knew me,
saw what was going on,
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but nobody said anything, especially
when I was living with the Barnetts.
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Why? I don't know.
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I wanna know
the answers to these questions.
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I was a little girl.
I was seven years old!
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Just looking at that house...
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It's just like everything's coming back.
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Yeah.
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Like I'm just like,
my brain is everywhere right now.
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Yeah.
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And like just looking at the house,
like it just reminds me
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of when Kristine had me walk all
the way around the block with no shoes
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and my feet were bleeding by the
time I got to the steps.
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And she, and she was mad about it.
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I couldn't even go in the house,
like she had to clean my feet outside.
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But she used this brush.
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It hurt, and I told her it did
but she didn't listen to me.
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I just, there's just so much.
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My brain is like everywhere it's just
replaying everything over and over again.
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I'm sorry about those experiences.
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It's gonna be alright,
it's gonna be alright.
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Even, like, just looking
at the front of the house
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I just remember what happened in there.
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It literally feels like a haunted house.
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I'm blessed to even be alive.
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The time that Kristine made me walk
all the way around that block,
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she wouldn't even
let me get my shoes.
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Neighbors were driving by,
nobody stopped and said anything.
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And nobody even tried to help me.
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From Natalia's perspective,
the abuse was, like, in the open,
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and, you know, nobody in
the neighborhood came to assist her.
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When I was with the Barnett's,
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I wanted to tell the neighbors everything
that happened to me
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but they knew Kristine and Michael
really well,
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like, they were really good friends,
I guess,
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and they wouldn't have believed me.
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They would have just thought
I was just making up a story.
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So, it was just like, I didn't know
what else to do.
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And I was scared. I was scared if I did
say something, what would Kristine do?
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Gracie was like my best friend.
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Natalia came to our house a lot to play
with my daughter, Grace.
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For a long time, I thought they were,
like, connected at the hip
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and then, Kristine, she just said
that Natalia was trying to kill her.
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And I went to Grace and said,
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you know what, we need to find
some new friends to play with,
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'cause I didn't want to have anything
to do with that little girl.
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If she's tryna kill Kristine, my friend,
she wasn't welcome in our house.
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I don't want her trying to kill
my daughter or me.
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Gracie's parents, they were so nice.
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But with everything that Kristine said
about me, it changed their minds.
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I couldn't even see Gracie anymore.
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Nobody stood up for me.
I wanna find out why.
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- Hi.
- Hi, how are you?
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- I'm alright.
- Good.
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- I don't know if you remember me.
- I do.
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Okay good.
You look so good! All pretty!
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- Thank you!
- Wanna sit down?
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- Sure.
- Alright. You alright?
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- Yeah, I'm okay.
- Okay.
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I'm gonna leave that right here.
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Okay, yeah that's perfect.
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Do you remember coming over here
and playing and stuff?
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- I do.
- You do?
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We had lots of fun. We really did.
We went in our playroom and we went--
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And played down here and colored
and did all that kind of stuff.
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- It feels like forever ago.
- I know, it was.
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But yeah, I mean like it's been a while,
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so it's hard for me to remember
what we've done
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but we did a lot of stuff together.
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Yeah...
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What exactly did Kristine tell you
when she came here?
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So she came over. She was crying
when she told me this stuff.
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So she was like, "Natalia's putting
thumbtacks on the steps,
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"so when we walk up the steps
we would step on them."
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And I was like okay and she said "hiding
knives in the mattress," I'm like, okay.
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And, like, that's what scared me.
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So then she also explained to me
about the dental records.
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That you had got,
they had taken you to the dentist
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and the dentist said
that you didn't have any baby teeth.
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And at Traders Point, you tried
to push her into the electric fence.
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I've never been there so I had no,
nothing to go off of.
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So I was like, and I know I said "Really?"
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Like, that's impressive, like she must
be strong and stuff like that.
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She was like, oh she is incredibly strong.
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And I just sat here in such shock.
So I was like "what?"
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There's so many things
that the Barnetts have said
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that they've tried to paint me
as some crazy person.
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And literally I'm a kid wanting
to play with other kids
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and everybody's looking at me
as a 22 year old
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so they're all creeped out and thinking
I'm trying to be a pedophile to a kid.
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When that's not even at all,
I didn't even know what that meant.
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I didn't know, like,
I didn't know stranger danger.
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I didn't know it was dangerous
just to talk to people,
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like you gotta be careful who you talk to.
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I literally got exposed to sexual stuff
at 7 years old.
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All because Kristine and Michael
didn't teach me any of that.
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And, in my personal opinion, it's because
they wanted something to happen to me
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so that way I could never say anything.
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Because they literally skipped
town like they did nothing wrong,
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like I never existed in their lives.
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I didn't even get a chance
to say goodbye to Gracie.
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It was just like a, like scissors going
through a piece of paper.
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It was just cut off.
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I didn't know why, all I knew was
I missed my best friend. I was a kid.
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And you didn't think twice about it,
didn't think twice about the fact, like,
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but she looks like a little girl,
how are they saying she is an adult?
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You just took their word for it.
Nobody investigated.
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Why didn't you ask about... did you ask?
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I asked them, I didn't ask you.
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- Why didn't you come to me?
- I should have.
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Like why, I was around all the time, you
said that and you didn't see anything.
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So why was that so easy to believe?
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I didn't want to believe any of it,
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but I felt like she pushed me
to believe it.
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That's what she did with a lot of people.
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I mean they are good talkers.
Yeah, trust me, I feel terrible.
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Nobody ever asked me,
nobody ever thought,
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"Hey, like, maybe we should get
both sides of the story."
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Everybody just went with
what Kristine and Michael said
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and the fact is that they...
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the fact is when I got into
my apartment in Westfield,
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I was on this medicine and...
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she pretty much overdosed me.
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I... I...
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Did I ever try to hurt Gracie?
Did I ever try to do anything?
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No. And I explained that to them,
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I said this was all so hard to believe
because you were always so...
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Why did you believe it, though?
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- Do I look like a murderer to you?
- No.
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Honey if I knew what was really
going on, I should have asked,
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I would have snatched you up
in a heartbeat.
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Why didn't you?
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I'm not gonna lie,
I think I was kind of scared of her...
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and what she could do.
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Did you ever think
of what she was doing to me?
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Unfortunately no.
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I'm very ashamed of it.
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I mean, I am.
I had no reason not to believe her.
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- Like she manipulated me, I mean I--
- She manipulated everybody.
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I mean I'm angry as well, trust me.
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Like seeing all of this
and even hearing this,
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I mean she's a horrible horrible
human being.
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Hands down.
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Hands down.
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I'm sorry.
I wish I would've done more.
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I really am.
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I accept that.
I understand you didn't know.
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I just wish that somebody
would've done something.
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But I do accept that.
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Thank you. I appreciate that.
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This sucks.
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Nobody should have
to go through that, ever.
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Every kid needs a voice.
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I'm sorry I wasn't your voice.
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- And I'm glad you found your parents.
- Thank you. They're really amazing.
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That's good.
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I don't wanna talk to Kristine again.
Never.
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I don't wanna see her again, I
didn't even want to see her in the trial.
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But Michael reached out, said he wanted
to talk, said he wanted to apologize.
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We can try again.
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I'm, you know, like I'll talk to you,
I'll listen to what you got to say,
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but I have a lot of questions
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and I'm hoping that he'll be truthful
and answer them.
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I've never tried to forget Natalia,
as much as I wanna forget it.
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One of the five best days of my life
was the day that we adopted Natalia.
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As much as I want to block that, put that
in the past, put that away, it's real.
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It's still there.
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I have very little things that survived
from my previous life.
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This is actually a cross
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that was given to Natalia
with her middle name Grace on it.
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Right after Natalia came home with us,
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it was hanging up on the wall
of her bedroom.
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Natalia, I would like to apologize
directly to you and not the world.
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If we ever get a moment where
we can have a conversation,
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where we can speak, where we can talk,
you'll get that.
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But, at the same time,
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I'm realistic enough to know that, from
other people's points of view,
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I'm probably the devil.
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My name is Ken Maxwell.
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I have over 30 years
of Law Enforcement Experience.
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The vast majority of which was with
the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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My last position there was
the assistant special agent
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in charge of the counter terrorism
branch in the New York field office.
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Following my retirement from the FBI,
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with my considerable
investigative experience,
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the Natalia Grace case
was more than intriguing to me.
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When we first started out,
it was a classic whodunnit,
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but as we gathered more information,
it has evolved into a how and a why.
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Why did all these things take place?
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We can't get into Kristine's mind
or Michael's mind.
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However, based upon the evidence
that we've been able to uncover;
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interviews with people, documents, their
own messaging between each other,
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it amounts to circumstantial evidence
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that gives us a glimpse
into what they were thinking at the time
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that help support the notion
that there was a purposeful plan.
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Securing an apartment for Natalia
in Lafayette
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was the next step of the plan
to get rid of Natalia
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from the Barnett family for good.
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Placing Natalia in this apartment
in Lafayette
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that was totally unsuitable
for a disabled person,
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was Kristine exhibiting a depraved
indifference
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for Natalia as a human being?
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Or was the hate so strong
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that she just didn't care just to leave
somebody in an environment like that
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with little to no safety protection.
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Kristine dropped me off
at that apartment.
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I didn't know how to take care of myself.
I didn't know what to do.
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It seems Krisitne has one move left
to try to get rid of Natalia.
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But she's not gonna stop there.
She's moving on to Michael next!
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A disabled nine year old left alone
in a dangerous neighborhood
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to fend for herself.
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This was no accident,
this was intentional.
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Natalia was left in harm's way
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in what appears to be Kristine's final
move to get rid of her for good.
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I found out I was moving to Lafayette
once we were already there.
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She helped me move in and then once
we were done moving in,
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I find out that that's where I'm
gonna like actually be living
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and they're moving to Canada.
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Through the investigation,
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we find out that she got moved
into the Westfield apartment
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and her specialized shoes were taken
from her and her walker.
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And here in Lafayette,
the same scenario.
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She didn't have either one of those
things. And she just doesn't have them.
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When I show up to this apartment,
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I mean, it is not catered
to a person that is a little person.
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I'm just completely shocked.
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There was nobody there to help me
get anything from the top shelf
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or anything like that.
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It was not an easy thing doing it on my
own but I had to kind of adapt to it.
233
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Kristine came maybe twice,
after that Michael came once. And...
234
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I never saw them again
after those three months.
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Oh my goodness.
236
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Talk about memories.
237
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- For real. These stairs were not easy.
- No.
238
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It's ok.
239
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I would have to climb up there
240
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and then when I would get to the second
step I would just pull the thing.
241
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Had to stand on that step for five minutes
just to unlock the door.
242
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And then once I would get it open,
243
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I'd already be tired from standing
trying to open it.
244
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And then it was like...
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Twelve steps after walking up
these five plus that step.
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Plus the extra.
247
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You gotta remember, right, there's like
a flooring when you first go in
248
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and then there's twelve steps going up.
249
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Yes.
250
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I couldn't even reach the mailbox.
251
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Are you okay?
252
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Yeah, I probably should sit down
though.
253
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Do you wanna sit
so you can lean on me?
254
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Yeah, that'd probably work.
255
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- Oh jeez, okay, you know what.
- I gotcha.
256
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My knee is trying to... Lock.
257
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- Do you wanna sit?
- Yeah.
258
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This was like seventeen stairs
just right here,
259
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so she had to do all this on her own
260
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when she was so much more smaller
and less stable.
261
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You know she was...
Jesus that scared me.
262
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Are you for real?
263
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- What was that?
- Please tell me that was a firework.
264
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- No, I think that was a gunshot.
- Oh Jesus.
265
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- Not today, Satan.
- That sounded real close.
266
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- Not this block, but the next block.
- That sounded really loud.
267
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We just heard a gunshot here,
and you were how old?
268
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- I was...
- Nine and a half?
269
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I was eight. I turned nine
when I met you guys.
270
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Okay. So nine years old and she was
walking through this area herself.
271
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- Anything could have happened.
- I thank God it didn't.
272
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Jesus. Okay, I'm ready to go.
273
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Her family just dropped her off
in Lafayette and went to Canada.
274
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Who does that?
275
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It makes me angry, it makes me
want to just scream at Kristine
276
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because why would you do that to her?
277
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Why did Natalia deserve that?
278
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Because Kristine did,
she didn't fit into your agenda?
279
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I'm at work.
I get a phone call from Kristine.
280
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The exact words are, "Michael,
quit your job, call your boss,
281
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"you need to come home right now,
we're moving to Canada"
282
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and she hung up.
283
00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:26,960
So I come rushing home,
Kristine rents a car, takes the boys,
284
00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:30,279
leaves the country, goes to Canada
to go find a place to live.
285
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,839
And Kristine tells me that
"You have to sell everything we own."
286
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And then I join my family up in Canada.
287
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,839
The steps that Kristine
took with Michael in Canada
288
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are at least indicative of part of
her plan, possibly,
289
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:51,079
that she got rid of Natalia, now it's time
to rid myself of my husband, Michael.
290
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,000
It culminates into she's even gonna
alienate his sons against him.
291
00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:01,960
While we were in Canada,
there were fights everyday.
292
00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:06,079
I was driving with the family
293
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,079
and Kristine was just screaming and
screaming and yelling and yelling at me.
294
00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:16,200
"You are not helpful, you are nothing,
you are worthless, you are replaceable."
295
00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:19,359
"The book money? It's all mine.
The Hollywood money? It's all mine."
296
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,880
Mentally, this was my snapping point
with Kristine.
297
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,160
I tell her,
"I've had it, I'm leaving you."
298
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,440
Anger builds, shut up or I'll kill you.
299
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,880
Mine everything's mine.
You're worthless.
300
00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:44,079
Shut up or I'll kill you.
301
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,759
You're nothing! Mine!
Shut up or I'll kill you.
302
00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:54,240
I shouldn't have said it,
absolutely shouldn't have said it.
303
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,640
Angel voice comes out. Public persona
hits the brakes and comes out.
304
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,319
She spins, turns to the boys
in the backseat.
305
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:12,319
Boys, dad's gonna kill all of us.
It's okay, I'm gonna protect you.
306
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,240
Everyday, Kristine would tell them "Your
dad's dangerous, he's gonna kill you."
307
00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:22,880
Next thing you know,
suddenly my kids are terrorized
308
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,079
and they sleep with knives next
to their bed
309
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,880
because they're afraid
of their dad coming to Canada
310
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to kidnap them and kill them.
311
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,240
Kristine went to a Canadian therapist,
a mental health professional,
312
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,119
and told her what had occurred.
313
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,640
That Michael was a danger
to Kristine and to the boys.
314
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A physical threat to the family.
315
00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:50,400
At this point in time,
I had moved back to Indiana.
316
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Later I would come to find out,
317
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:57,440
the moment she stopped shouting
and turned into the angelic protector,
318
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,039
she had palmed the cell phone,
she had hit record on it.
319
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,880
She takes the recording, not long
thereafter, to the Ontario police
320
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,599
and tries to convince them
that we are in danger.
321
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,279
So this fight that Michael and Kristine
had and she pulls out her phone
322
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,079
and she videotapes threats that Michael
was making in the heat of the moment
323
00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:25,119
are now living on forever,
324
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,359
that's parallel to Natalia's experience
with the pledge incident
325
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,279
where Natalia said she pulled out her
phone and made me do it
326
00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:39,720
and then used it as evidence that she
caught me poisoning her coffee.
327
00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:43,480
So this is Krisitne
creating a narrative to her benefit
328
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,519
and perhaps to scare Michael.
329
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,079
And then she calls me up to tell me.
330
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,279
This is like, you have committed a crime
and we are about to lock you up.
331
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:04,440
Kristine was masterful
at understanding a situation
332
00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:08,240
she could exploit immediately on camera.
333
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:11,079
Kristine got him so upset
and they were fighting
334
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,880
that she turned a camera on him
335
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,799
as he was saying,
"I'll kill you, I'll kill you."
336
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:20,359
And she took it to the police in order
to keep him in the United States.
337
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,559
It's terrible, Michael.
Extremely scary.
338
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,960
They interviewed me three times.
Two and a half hours of this.
339
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:37,279
With a detective in a bulletproof vest.
340
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,799
He was yelling these questions at me.
341
00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:46,559
I'm just like terrified.
The boys are shaking.
342
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:50,799
But I did my very best to protect you.
343
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,960
This is worse than Natalia.
344
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,720
And I just, I do think you intend
to cause me bodily harm.
345
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,400
To be totally honest, you were cracking
your knuckles at me.
346
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,079
I wasn't going to and I didn't, but
I can understand you feeling that way.
347
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,319
Please don't go into your weirdo freaky
denial. I can't deal with that right now.
348
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,480
I mean, they could put our kids
in foster care in the U.S.
349
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:23,079
I mean, I had every reason to be a
complete bitch to you, and I was not.
350
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:27,359
It'll be very good
if you just quit talking, quit it.
351
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,079
This is not the time for pretending
that you've never done anything bad.
352
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,920
Here I'm telling you that you're going in
there to face a two year jail sentence.
353
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,240
Your kids are shaking in the car.
Did you hear my kids are scared?
354
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:45,160
- Could you hear?
- Kristine...
355
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,920
I was nice to you.
Did you hear anything?
356
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,880
Listen to me,
I was a good person to you.
357
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,640
And I want you to know that.
And I was pissed off.
358
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,880
It was Valentine's Day.
You think I'm screwing people?
359
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,039
I don't have anybody in my life.
You just think that.
360
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,599
Now you didn't intend
to cause bodily harm.
361
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,000
But I told them that I thought
you were having road rage.
362
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,240
I don't know what they're going to do.
They contacted immigration.
363
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,119
I'm going to be dealing
with immigration.
364
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,279
Never come up here Michael,
just stay in the U.S.
365
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,640
After Michael came back from Canada,
he lived with us.
366
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,359
Michael would have his door closed
367
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,240
and he would be talking to Kristine,
trying to talk to boys, whatever.
368
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:45,000
And she would just be screaming at him.
369
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,839
Kristine would scream crazy things at him
370
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920
calling him a psycho
and calling him an abuser.
371
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:53,960
She used that incident
372
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,160
to tell my kids forever that I was
a wanted man in Canada,
373
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,079
that I couldn't enter the country
of Canada,
374
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,599
that I had charges waiting for me
in Canada.
375
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,880
It seems Kristine wanted Michael
to be in the U.S.
376
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,039
while she's in Canada with Jacob
and the boys.
377
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,960
Now if that's true, why?
378
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,519
Well, maybe
because she wanted Michael
379
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:16,079
to be the sole parent responsible
for Natalia
380
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,079
who at this point is their dependent
and may be a dependent forever,
381
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,559
and if something
were to happen to Natalia,
382
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,160
she could just claim ignorance like,
383
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,759
"I'm in Canada, I'm not even
in the country. It's on Michael"
384
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,799
She even engaged
in a conversation at one point
385
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,160
where she wanted Michael to be
the trustee of Natalia's affairs.
386
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,759
We know that
from Facebook communications.
387
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,319
Kristine was almost leaving him
holding the bag to do all this.
388
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,200
You're asked about personal knowledge
389
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:51,480
about her being neglected
or left in this apartment.
390
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,440
So any, if you want to respond as
to what Natalia told you or sent you,
391
00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:59,000
I think that would be appropriate.
392
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:05,680
So, okay, I have a picture of her looking
like she has bruises all over her face,
393
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,200
her hair is chopped off.
394
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,480
She looks miserable in an apartment
395
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,720
that she and the Mans
told me were up a flight of stairs.
396
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,240
This is when she was living alone.
397
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:21,519
Does anybody know what happened?
398
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:24,880
So when you drop a little disabled
six year old off...
399
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:26,799
What the hell happened?
400
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,319
- It's horrible, she has what looks like--
- Maybe black eyes.
401
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,880
- Black eyes. And her...
- Scrape across her nose.
402
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,319
Scrape across the bridge of her nose.
403
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,880
I mean...
404
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,000
I mean look at the way she walks.
405
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:45,759
She could have fallen, you know,
I mean, who knows.
406
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,480
She could have fallen down
all those stairs that they put her in.
407
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,079
She was in a second story apartment.
408
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,400
So at trial, the main points
that we had were,
409
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,839
as a dependent she was
in a second floor apartment,
410
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,920
they didn't set her up with any doctors,
411
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000
they didn't set her up with anyone
to assist her
412
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:06,160
as far as hygiene, cooking,
cleaning, clothes.
413
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:09,680
Michael had a duty to care for her
414
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:14,240
which he failed to do so when
he abandoned her in Lafayette
415
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,759
in a situation that endangered
her life or health.
416
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,559
I remember my power actually being
shut off in the Lafayette apartment
417
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,839
for like a week and it was in the middle
of summer, like, it was burning hot.
418
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,160
I remember, like,
everything in the fridge went bad,
419
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,039
like, and I couldn't go grocery shopping.
420
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,079
And I was scared.
421
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160
I was really scared.
Like I could have died.
422
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:46,359
I grew up way too early.
I've had to learn lessons
423
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,240
that I should have learned when I'm
maybe like, I'm just now turning twenty.
424
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:54,599
I should be learning those life lessons.
425
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:58,799
It felt literally like I had to grow up
overnight.
426
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:05,559
Michael being left in Indiana did do some
things, possibly even unintentionally.
427
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,400
We have communications
where he's questioning Kristine
428
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:10,960
"Why did you shut off the electricity?
429
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:15,480
"There was no air conditioner.
430
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:19,160
"Why did you take her phone?"
431
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:24,799
If Kristine was trying to set up Michael
to take responsibility
432
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,759
or take the fall for anything that
happened to Natalia in Lafayette,
433
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:32,400
these communications contradict that.
434
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,599
They show her direct knowledge of
435
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,240
"Why did YOU, KRISTINE,
shut off her phone?"
436
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,000
"Why did YOU not pay the electric bill?"
You being Kristine.
437
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,400
So it makes her culpable
438
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,519
and it in fact infers that Michael was not
aware that Kristine did these things.
439
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,720
Michael checked in on Natalia
and became a lifeline for her.
440
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:58,759
He had her electricity turned back on
and air conditioning installed,
441
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:04,119
he got her food
and basically foiled Kristine's plan.
442
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,119
It was almost a victory for the Barnetts.
443
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,359
But in the end,
look at Kristine's failures,
444
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,319
she failed to get Natalia
locked up criminally,
445
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,759
she failed to get her committed
to a psychiatric facility,
446
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:20,519
she failed to get Michael
to take the fall,
447
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,519
and finally the authorities get involved
448
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:27,559
when the director of the adult learning
center in Lafayette, Indiana
449
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:33,440
did what every other adult in Natalia's
life had failed to do: call the police.
450
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Kristine and Michael were really trying
to erase Natalia from their lives.
451
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,519
But once the police were involved,
452
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,720
they launched an investigation in 2013
into who Natalia was,
453
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,680
where she came from, how she got
to the United States, and to Indiana,
454
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:54,960
and an apartment living by herself.
455
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:58,079
Now that statement she wrote
at the adult learning center
456
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,079
was a biographical sketch given
to the police,
457
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,720
and in it there were allegations
which, if true,
458
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,559
show that this child was abused long
before she was in the Barnett household.
459
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,279
You wrote down the story of your life,
right?
460
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:19,920
Natalia is not unscathed.
461
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,359
We know there were things
that she came with to this country.
462
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,880
As an investigator,
it's really difficult to really know
463
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,000
what the whole story about what
happened to her as a baby, as a child.
464
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,119
This was September 11th of 2013
465
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,640
and it said: "I was born in Ukraine
466
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,759
"but I do not remember much
so I don't know my real parents,
467
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,480
"and I was in an orphanage so I only
remember the bad stuff.
468
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,039
"And then I got a shot
which made me pass out
469
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,960
"and then when I woke up
I was in a baby orphanage
470
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:57,359
"and I saw a guy put something on my
face like a towel or something..."
471
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,920
I actually forgot I wrote this.
472
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,160
This is when everything started to turn
for you. And things started to change.
473
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,279
Yeah this was, I wrote this and then
they took me to the police station.
474
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:26,200
And you're now at Lafayette and there's
no, you've been cut off basically.
475
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,759
Pretty much.
Thankfully I had my parents.
476
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,720
You had this whole new door
that opened up.
477
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:33,119
With the Mans Family.
478
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,119
I don't know, it's just like I felt safe
when I met my parents
479
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,720
even though I didn't know
who they were but I just, I felt safe.
480
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,519
They let me be a kid.
481
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:48,359
They let me be a nine year old all the way
into teenager, all the way to now.
482
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,880
Antwon and Cynthia showed me what a
dad and a mom are supposed to be like.
483
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,759
They taught me what love is.
484
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,039
So this first one is me.
485
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:05,279
That's me right there.
486
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,599
That's me.
487
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,518
I was like two, I think I was
like two, that's what it looks like.
488
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,920
I was so little.
489
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,159
And then that is...
490
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,239
Your mom and dad?
491
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,639
Yeah, that's my biological
dad and mom.
492
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,039
I think about it all the time.
493
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,280
Frankly, I would like her
to be here with me.
494
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,800
I understand, of course,
that 19 years is a significant period,
495
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,960
but I would like her to be with me.
496
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,280
I don't wanna open that door
of a relationship with Anna.
497
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,000
I get it you know, you probably do want
to see me and everything like that
498
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,400
but I have a family here.
499
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,519
I have my parents who raised me, like,
500
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,960
it's different with Anna
because she only gave birth to me
501
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:12,599
but she let me go
pretty much that same day.
502
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,639
It started bringing in some hurt emotions
503
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,440
because I haven't been
in the Ukraine since I was five.
504
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:26,000
The things that I remember from being
in the orphanage in Ukraine
505
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,800
are not great.
506
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,679
They're scary memories that I really
don't like to think about anymore.
507
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,719
When Natalia was in the orphanage,
508
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,719
most probably because
they didn't have the staff
509
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,840
to support these kids one on one
510
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,079
and what they would have to do
511
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:51,440
is en mass scare them into, you know,
getting into their beds and being quiet.
512
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,920
And, therefore,
they used unusual tactics.
513
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:01,679
One time we were playing,
514
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,639
we heard stomping
and everybody ran to the bedroom
515
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,599
but I knew I couldn't.
516
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,880
And there was a couch behind me
and I hid behind the couch.
517
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,280
There was like this big black cloak
and it was like this green mask.
518
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,719
To me it was like the monster
under the bed.
519
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:40,519
It heard me crying and it turned my way
and I literally panicked
520
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,679
and I crawled to the very end
where there was like a plant
521
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,320
where it couldn't get me on that side
522
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,440
and I remember hearing
it stomping, coming towards me,
523
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:54,079
and then it just peeked behind the couch.
And I was so scared.
524
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,159
Like I didn't know what was
about to happen.
525
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:00,159
And it just stared at me
526
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,079
and I'm like,
I don't know what to do.
527
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,159
And it finally left
528
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:11,000
and then I remember
529
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,159
one of the people that was in the
bedroom with the other kids came
530
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,159
and hugged me
and then that was it.
531
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:23,880
But that was the scariest moment of my
life that I remember from that age,
532
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,719
like that was beyond scary because I
didn't know what was happening.
533
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,639
I don't know why anybody would want
to scare a bunch of kids.
534
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,880
A lot of stuff happened
that just should not have happened.
535
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,480
One thing I do remember is, it's very
weird, but I was in the orphanage
536
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:51,199
and I just remember, like, somebody just
coming up and just covering my face
537
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,760
and I blacked out and then it was like,
I remember I woke up being carried
538
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,960
and I just remember just seeing
a big building
539
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:02,000
that looked like an apartment building.
540
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,880
I remember being in a doctor's office,
541
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,679
and then I remember getting a shot
in my arm,
542
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:12,960
and then after that I blacked
out again,
543
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,440
and then next thing I know
I'm laying on a couch.
544
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,440
This memory has always been
like a mystery to me and...
545
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,039
I can't remember anything
about what he looked like.
546
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,639
The next memory that I have after
that is me back in the orphanage,
547
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,960
like I don't know how I got back there
or anything like that.
548
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:46,840
When I'm trying to picture it,
549
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,440
it's just like an invisible guy
with a white t-shirt.
550
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,480
Like I just don't know what he
looked like. I can't remember.
551
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960
Do you remember seeing this guy?
552
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,559
I can hand it to you,
then I'll take it back.
553
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,760
I don't even know, like,
how did y'all guys get this picture?
554
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,800
A lot of research.
555
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,159
Oh my goodness.
556
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:23,199
Oh my gosh.
557
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,840
Like, honestly
I don't know what to say.
558
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,159
I don't know what to even think.
559
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,039
Because I know more happened
than what I remember
560
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,559
but it's like I can't figure it out.
561
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:47,159
Like, just seeing that and not being
able to remember is frustrating.
562
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,519
But it's also scary
because I don't know what he did,
563
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,719
I don't know why I was with him, I...
564
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:00,960
I don't know.
565
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,280
If Natalia had been traumatized
in Ukraine,
566
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,239
she needed a family to help her heal.
567
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:13,360
But the Barnetts were not that family.
They did the opposite.
568
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,800
And then she's retraumatized again.
569
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,639
The time I was in the Ukraine in the
orphanage, after all that happened,
570
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,480
the only thing I really wanted
was a family who loves me,
571
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:29,239
a family that protects me.
572
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:34,159
And the Barnetts did none of that.
They just hurt me more.
573
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,559
Kristine and Michael were never
my parents from day one.
574
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,239
They never acted like my parents.
575
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,039
Even though I'm still legally theirs
right now,
576
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,760
they are not my parents.
577
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,400
Antwon and Cynthia Mans
are my parents,
578
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:57,320
so the only thing that's left connecting
me to the Barnetts is my last name,
579
00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:59,320
and that's about to change as well.
580
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,400
I'm Peter Kenny.
I practice law in Indianapolis, Indiana,
581
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,400
primarily adoptions, foster care,
and guardianship issues.
582
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:10,519
What makes me wanna take this case
583
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:15,039
is I think it's about time that the system
looked out for Natalia.
584
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,599
I just wanna see, why do you want
to be in their family forever,
585
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:19,719
and why do you want to be theirs?
586
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:25,880
They've actually been a family to me.
They've showed me love.
587
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,159
They've told me that they love me
and they've showed it.
588
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:33,440
This will be my third adoption
and this will be my permanent adoption.
589
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:37,760
I've been Natasha Gava,
and then it was Natalia Ciccone,
590
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:42,000
and then it was Natalia Barnett,
and now it will be Natalia Mans.
591
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,760
With still being connected to the Barnett
name and everything like that
592
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,920
and having to like, if I have to sign
something, I have to say Barnett,
593
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,519
and it's like I don't want that
to be my identity.
594
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,639
Because like, with everything
that happened,
595
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,719
it's all connected to the Barnett name,
596
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,599
and I don't want that to be connected
to me anymore.
597
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:04,920
I just want to start new
and not have to look back
598
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,639
and, I don't want to have to, like someone
asked me, like, what's your name,
599
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,480
I don't wanna say Natalia Barnett,
I wanna say Natalia Mans
600
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,840
because that's who I am, I'm a Mans.
I'm not a Barnett.
601
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,360
Me and my family have had to pay
the price for their decisions
602
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,519
with pain and suffering
and just a whole bunch of roadblocks
603
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:30,000
and so now I feel like they should be
the ones to have to pay the price.
604
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,719
Legally I feel like they got away with it.
605
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:37,119
Legally they did, publicly they're not
because people know
606
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,159
and they're gonna see as these things
get uncovered what they have done.
607
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,960
Because you don't through this much
stuff to do something to a person
608
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,719
unless you're hiding something.
609
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,920
As long as I've known them,
all they've done is lied.
610
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,679
What this adoption will do
611
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,480
is kind of pave the way for anything
you want to do legally in the future
612
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,800
because the evidence
will speak for itself.
613
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,039
- They're hiding something.
- Yep.
614
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,920
With this adoption,
I'll be legally a part of the family
615
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,599
so that way I'll be protected while
I do civil suits against the Barnetts.
616
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,400
You know, abuse, neglect,
617
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,280
and a whole bunch of other stuff that
should not have happened.
618
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,519
Michael and Natalia are meeting again.
619
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,239
Michael on one side
and Natalia on the other.
620
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:30,960
Will Michael reveal any secrets?
621
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,280
Of course Natalia wants answers,
622
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,280
but she's running a risk here
because Michael has triggers.
623
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,559
I tried, I tried,
I tried, I tried, I tried!
624
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,559
- Let me talk to you.
- No! No! No!
625
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,599
- Michael--
- Leave me alone!
626
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,159
Is she running the risk that he's gonna
get up and walk out again?
627
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,000
You ain't about to weasel your way
out of this.
628
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:57,760
He's gotta come back and man up
and stop being a little whiny baby.
629
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,119
He acted like a coward.
630
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:03,760
This is round two.
631
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,000
How many other secrets are there?
632
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,440
You have to fight to get to the truth.
633
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,000
I'm not scared anymore.
634
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,280
You deserve to have some answers.
53056
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