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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:02,634 [man speaking on phone] 2 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:08,000 [Gary Thatcher] Linda was a single mom 3 00:00:08,033 --> 00:00:09,767 trying to do her best with her daughter. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,967 [Adrian Van Nice] Tess was fairly out of control. 5 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:17,066 Bryan wanted people to believe he was capable 6 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:19,100 of awful and dark things. 7 00:00:19,133 --> 00:00:22,000 Once they met, fireworks were going to fly. 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,100 I think they were obsessed with each other. 9 00:00:25,133 --> 00:00:28,800 [Andrew Red] He was so blindly dedicated to her, 10 00:00:28,834 --> 00:00:30,800 no matter what. 11 00:00:30,834 --> 00:00:33,400 [Adrian] It was like that Romeo and Juliet 12 00:00:33,433 --> 00:00:36,800 "I'll do anything for you" devotion. 13 00:00:36,834 --> 00:00:39,033 At this point, things were escalating. 14 00:00:39,066 --> 00:00:41,934 He's like, "I can fix that problem for you." 15 00:00:47,834 --> 00:00:49,967 Tess was very manipulative. 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,166 [Gary] I believe that she's the catalyst 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,433 that started the whole thing. 18 00:00:54,467 --> 00:00:57,433 She knew that Bryan would do anything for her. 19 00:00:59,533 --> 00:01:01,166 [Bryan speaking] 20 00:01:12,033 --> 00:01:15,600 Lafayette was pretty small when I was growing up there. 21 00:01:15,634 --> 00:01:17,200 There wasn't a lot to do. 22 00:01:17,233 --> 00:01:19,700 We'd go and wander the streets. 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,266 Two kids growing up in Lafayette, 24 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:23,834 who felt like outsiders 25 00:01:23,867 --> 00:01:26,433 and were looking for a sense of power, 26 00:01:26,467 --> 00:01:29,300 started down a road of manipulation, 27 00:01:29,333 --> 00:01:31,400 conflict and violence. 28 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:40,533 [Scott Robinson] Bryan Grove was a 17-year-old. 29 00:01:40,567 --> 00:01:43,533 He met Tess at Project YES, 30 00:01:43,567 --> 00:01:45,400 which is kind of a community program 31 00:01:45,433 --> 00:01:47,667 for youth after school. 32 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:51,033 Initially, Tess didn't like Bryan. 33 00:01:51,066 --> 00:01:53,467 But I think Bryan grew on Tess a bit 34 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:55,567 and then they began to date. 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,200 [Kimberly Diego] These are two young people 36 00:01:57,233 --> 00:01:59,333 going through a very similar time in their life, 37 00:01:59,367 --> 00:02:01,634 experiencing similar issues. 38 00:02:01,667 --> 00:02:04,133 Once they met, fireworks were going to fly 39 00:02:04,166 --> 00:02:07,133 and it was going to be a very strong connection. 40 00:02:10,133 --> 00:02:13,200 Bryan was very into Insane Clown Posse. 41 00:02:14,133 --> 00:02:16,367 He considered himself a juggalo. 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,567 Great music. 43 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,600 But some folks utilized their message in the wrong way 44 00:02:22,634 --> 00:02:26,000 in order to justify certain behaviors. 45 00:02:26,033 --> 00:02:28,400 And that was something that was very attractive to Bryan, 46 00:02:28,433 --> 00:02:32,033 that sort of antisocial aspect. 47 00:02:32,066 --> 00:02:33,900 [Scott] When he started dating Tess, 48 00:02:33,934 --> 00:02:36,433 she got involved in that scene as well. 49 00:02:36,467 --> 00:02:38,033 They weren't the mainstream kids. 50 00:02:38,066 --> 00:02:40,367 They were a little bit rebellious. 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,467 We were the kids that cut class and smoked weed 52 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:45,700 and didn't care what people said 53 00:02:45,734 --> 00:02:48,100 and did dumb [bleep] just because it was fun. 54 00:02:52,166 --> 00:02:55,967 Bryan Grove had been adopted by a family in Lafayette 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,900 from India. 56 00:02:57,934 --> 00:03:01,400 [Andrew] Bryan appreciated and loved his adopted family. 57 00:03:01,433 --> 00:03:05,100 But he felt outcast 58 00:03:05,133 --> 00:03:06,800 from at least what he told-- 59 00:03:06,834 --> 00:03:10,667 you know... he didn't fit in anywhere. 60 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:13,767 And when he was younger, he got picked on a lot. 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,500 Bryan really struggled in Lafayette. 62 00:03:16,533 --> 00:03:18,600 He had a hard time in school. 63 00:03:18,634 --> 00:03:21,467 And he had fascinations about 64 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:23,367 doing violent things at school. 65 00:03:24,467 --> 00:03:26,834 [Scott] Bryan's Myspace had things like 66 00:03:26,867 --> 00:03:29,667 Insane Clown Posse lyrics on it. 67 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:32,133 At one point, he talked about going into a school 68 00:03:32,166 --> 00:03:33,166 and shooting people. 69 00:03:34,433 --> 00:03:38,233 He talked about a fascination with knives and stabbing 70 00:03:38,266 --> 00:03:39,900 and things like that. 71 00:03:39,934 --> 00:03:42,700 [Stacy] This is a kid who feels like an outsider. 72 00:03:42,734 --> 00:03:45,100 And he's found a group devoted to outsiders 73 00:03:45,133 --> 00:03:46,533 just like him, 74 00:03:46,567 --> 00:03:48,500 followers of Insane Clown Posse, 75 00:03:48,533 --> 00:03:50,000 the juggalos. 76 00:03:50,033 --> 00:03:54,100 Their violent imagery, the so-called Dark Carnival, 77 00:03:54,133 --> 00:03:57,133 has clearly influenced his thinking. 78 00:03:57,166 --> 00:03:58,700 [Adrian] Bryan had, in the past, 79 00:03:58,734 --> 00:04:01,600 made threats to kill individuals. 80 00:04:02,667 --> 00:04:05,800 He wanted people to believe that he was capable 81 00:04:05,834 --> 00:04:07,867 of awful and dark things. 82 00:04:11,667 --> 00:04:14,634 Tess Damm was a 15-year-old girl 83 00:04:14,667 --> 00:04:16,233 who's not going to school, 84 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:18,600 fairly out of control. 85 00:04:18,634 --> 00:04:22,266 She had an estranged relationship with her father, 86 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:26,233 who really didn't have anything to do with her. 87 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:29,734 She had a difficult relationship with her mom, 88 00:04:29,767 --> 00:04:33,667 who by all accounts had some struggles with alcohol. 89 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:34,900 [Gary] Linda was a single mom 90 00:04:34,934 --> 00:04:37,333 trying to do her best with her daughter. 91 00:04:37,367 --> 00:04:39,300 [Scott] She was working two jobs. 92 00:04:39,333 --> 00:04:41,233 She tried to be a good mother. 93 00:04:41,266 --> 00:04:44,634 Linda did provide a nice home in a suburban neighborhood. 94 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,634 [Gary] Linda had lost her job. 95 00:04:47,667 --> 00:04:50,133 This, of course, made things more difficult at home 96 00:04:50,166 --> 00:04:52,133 and she started drinking more. 97 00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:58,033 [Scott] Tess used to journal 98 00:04:58,066 --> 00:05:01,100 and she talked about how well she got along with her mom 99 00:05:01,133 --> 00:05:03,000 and how much she loved her. 100 00:05:03,033 --> 00:05:05,066 But when she would drink, 101 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:06,634 they wouldn't get along. 102 00:05:08,367 --> 00:05:11,200 It sounds like maybe just when things got rough, 103 00:05:11,233 --> 00:05:12,500 Linda turned to the drinking 104 00:05:12,533 --> 00:05:14,700 and I think she disengaged a little bit. 105 00:05:19,734 --> 00:05:22,100 [Steve Waddig] There were lots of rumors about Tess 106 00:05:22,133 --> 00:05:23,500 when she was in high school. 107 00:05:23,533 --> 00:05:26,600 A coworker of mine, her husband 108 00:05:26,634 --> 00:05:28,100 was one of Tess' teachers 109 00:05:28,133 --> 00:05:30,433 and said she would try to be seductive 110 00:05:30,467 --> 00:05:33,400 and entice teenage boys at her school. 111 00:05:33,433 --> 00:05:34,934 [Stacy] It's not unusual, of course, 112 00:05:34,967 --> 00:05:38,667 for a teenage girl to test the power of her sexuality, 113 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:41,700 especially when she feels powerless at home. 114 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:48,100 [Scott] Bryan and Tess met around Halloween 2006. 115 00:05:48,133 --> 00:05:51,200 Bryan's feelings for Tess were pretty intense. 116 00:05:51,233 --> 00:05:52,834 He was obsessed with her, I would say. 117 00:05:52,867 --> 00:05:54,533 I think they were obsessed with each other. 118 00:05:55,567 --> 00:05:58,066 And I think they were a bit codependent. 119 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:00,333 They did not like to be apart at all. 120 00:06:01,533 --> 00:06:05,767 It very much felt like that Romeo and Juliet 121 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,800 "I'll do anything for you, 122 00:06:07,834 --> 00:06:09,667 we're meant to be together forever," 123 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:12,133 star-crossed lovers' devotion 124 00:06:12,166 --> 00:06:15,033 from Bryan towards Tess. 125 00:06:15,066 --> 00:06:18,100 She had Bryan wrapped around her little finger. 126 00:06:19,266 --> 00:06:21,834 [Andrew] He was so smitten. 127 00:06:21,867 --> 00:06:24,467 I mean, head over heels doesn't even do it justice. 128 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:28,533 He was so blindly dedicated to her, 129 00:06:28,567 --> 00:06:29,967 no matter what. 130 00:06:30,467 --> 00:06:32,634 Just, from the get-go. 131 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:35,433 [Scott] Tess' mother, Linda, 132 00:06:35,467 --> 00:06:38,400 was not happy with that relationship. 133 00:06:39,734 --> 00:06:42,467 After Bryan completed high school early, 134 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:44,100 he moved out of his parents' home 135 00:06:44,133 --> 00:06:46,333 and he lived in a condominium with a friend. 136 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:50,867 And at one point, Tess ran away 137 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:53,166 and was basically living with Bryan. 138 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,233 [Adrian] There's tons of tension between Tess and Linda 139 00:06:57,266 --> 00:07:00,066 because Linda is expecting Tess to do things like 140 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:03,133 go to school, do her homework, 141 00:07:03,166 --> 00:07:05,367 do things around the house, all of those things 142 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,700 that parents expect their kids to do. 143 00:07:07,734 --> 00:07:10,033 Linda really wanted to raise her right 144 00:07:10,066 --> 00:07:11,934 and really tried to do the right thing with her. 145 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:15,533 Tess and Bryan wanted to be very independent, 146 00:07:15,567 --> 00:07:17,000 but they were still juveniles. 147 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:19,834 Linda wanted to be a mother 148 00:07:19,867 --> 00:07:22,934 and she didn't want them to leave and be out on their own. 149 00:07:22,967 --> 00:07:26,000 So Linda had to basically compromise 150 00:07:26,033 --> 00:07:28,634 to get her daughter back in the home. 151 00:07:28,667 --> 00:07:31,233 [Adrian] It became clear that the only way 152 00:07:31,266 --> 00:07:34,500 that Linda was going to get Tess to return home, 153 00:07:34,533 --> 00:07:37,800 where Linda could make sure that she's taken care of, 154 00:07:37,834 --> 00:07:41,734 was to allow her to bring her 17-year-old boyfriend 155 00:07:41,767 --> 00:07:43,100 back with her. 156 00:07:44,233 --> 00:07:45,467 [Kimberly] What she was trying to do 157 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:48,233 was control an uncontrollable situation. 158 00:07:48,266 --> 00:07:50,066 She knew they're going to be together no matter what. 159 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:51,533 It might as well be under my roof, 160 00:07:51,567 --> 00:07:53,233 where I can have some line of sight 161 00:07:53,266 --> 00:07:54,433 on what is happening. 162 00:07:58,467 --> 00:08:00,467 [Gary] She thinks that she can keep a closer eye on him 163 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:02,967 and just kind of watch what's going on with them. 164 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,100 But she realizes they were being intimate with each other. 165 00:08:07,367 --> 00:08:09,533 Tess actually has, uh, a scare 166 00:08:09,567 --> 00:08:11,433 with maybe being pregnant at one point. 167 00:08:12,634 --> 00:08:15,567 That made the relationship with Bryan and Linda 168 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,133 become contentious. 169 00:08:17,166 --> 00:08:19,433 She saw Bryan as now the problem 170 00:08:19,467 --> 00:08:22,500 and Tess was spiraling out of control. 171 00:08:22,533 --> 00:08:26,100 Linda now has two wild teenagers living with her. 172 00:08:26,133 --> 00:08:28,734 And she's got her own problems. 173 00:08:28,767 --> 00:08:32,233 She's clearly not capable of handling this situation. 174 00:08:32,266 --> 00:08:34,266 But she doesn't know how to fix it. 175 00:08:36,734 --> 00:08:39,100 Linda's not happy about Bryan living in the house. 176 00:08:39,133 --> 00:08:41,533 And, at this point, things are escalating. 177 00:08:43,033 --> 00:08:45,700 [Andrew] I do remember Tess and Bryan 178 00:08:45,734 --> 00:08:49,066 got to one of those big, big, like, 179 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:51,300 "My parents are never gonna love me again. 180 00:08:51,333 --> 00:08:52,533 And I hate my parents. 181 00:08:52,567 --> 00:08:55,800 And I hope they go to Dante's seventh level of Hell." 182 00:08:55,834 --> 00:08:57,634 And all that overdramatic stuff. 183 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:01,533 Tess and Bryan would say, "Well, wouldn't it be easier 184 00:09:01,567 --> 00:09:03,500 if we just lived by ourselves?" 185 00:09:03,533 --> 00:09:07,400 Or "Wouldn't it be easier if she wasn't here?" 186 00:09:09,533 --> 00:09:12,400 [Scott] One night, Tess and Bryan went to their favorite spot. 187 00:09:12,433 --> 00:09:13,300 [phone ringing] 188 00:09:13,333 --> 00:09:15,266 Linda called Tess 16 times. 189 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:16,233 [phone ringing] 190 00:09:16,266 --> 00:09:18,333 They're out trying to have a good time 191 00:09:18,367 --> 00:09:21,834 and Mom is calling and sort of harassing Tess, 192 00:09:21,867 --> 00:09:24,400 at least in her point of view. 193 00:09:24,433 --> 00:09:26,233 Linda wants to know where they are. 194 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:27,934 She says, "If you don't come home, 195 00:09:27,967 --> 00:09:29,567 if you don't tell me where you are, 196 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,867 Bryan's out of the house." 197 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:38,700 You just saw how angry Tess was with her mom. 198 00:09:38,734 --> 00:09:41,600 And you would see how upset it would make Bryan 199 00:09:41,634 --> 00:09:43,400 to see Tess that hurt. 200 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,567 But what idiot kid doesn't say, 201 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,700 "God, I wish my parents were dead"? 202 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,266 [phone ringing] 203 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,800 A little bit after ten o'clock on February 27th, 2007, 204 00:10:05,834 --> 00:10:09,700 a call comes into 911 with an anonymous tipster. 205 00:10:16,433 --> 00:10:18,266 [Gary] There's times when we get anonymous tips 206 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:19,133 in the middle of the night. 207 00:10:19,166 --> 00:10:21,133 And they usually have very vague, 208 00:10:21,166 --> 00:10:24,533 very little information that we can't do much with. 209 00:10:24,567 --> 00:10:26,100 In this particular case, 210 00:10:26,133 --> 00:10:28,700 it was something that made us pay close attention. 211 00:10:39,166 --> 00:10:41,667 [tipster on phone] 212 00:10:44,667 --> 00:10:48,100 Lafayette Police Department received an anonymous call. 213 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:50,467 The caller told dispatch 214 00:10:50,500 --> 00:10:51,934 that they had been up to this house. 215 00:10:51,967 --> 00:10:53,300 They kind of describe the house 216 00:10:53,333 --> 00:10:54,600 and the neighborhood where it was at. 217 00:10:55,233 --> 00:10:57,467 [tipster on phone] 218 00:11:25,734 --> 00:11:28,567 [Gary] Dispatch sends out patrol officers 219 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,266 to the neighborhood where they believe this call 220 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:33,166 was, uh, referencing. 221 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,600 One of the sergeants knew that there was a Tess Damm 222 00:11:35,634 --> 00:11:37,567 up in that neighborhood. 223 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,700 [Scott] The patrol division was familiar with Linda and Tess 224 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:42,100 because they had been called out there 225 00:11:42,133 --> 00:11:43,734 several times in the past. 226 00:11:43,767 --> 00:11:47,500 Nothing real serious, just normal family issues. 227 00:11:47,533 --> 00:11:49,734 Tess had run away before. 228 00:11:49,767 --> 00:11:52,166 And they would have some pretty heated arguments. 229 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:58,533 [Adrian] As they began to walk up to the house, 230 00:11:58,567 --> 00:12:02,700 a juvenile that individuals refer to as "Pilgrim" 231 00:12:02,734 --> 00:12:04,033 was coming out. 232 00:12:05,567 --> 00:12:08,667 Pilgrim was friends with both Tess and Bryan through school. 233 00:12:10,166 --> 00:12:12,867 [officer speaking] 234 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,667 [Gary] Patrol officers start asking him some questions 235 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,533 about where is Linda 236 00:12:18,567 --> 00:12:21,033 and who's the parent here at this house. 237 00:12:21,834 --> 00:12:24,100 Pilgrim tells patrol officers 238 00:12:24,133 --> 00:12:26,433 that she just wasn't there at the time. 239 00:12:26,467 --> 00:12:27,767 She's on vacation. 240 00:12:28,667 --> 00:12:31,300 Officers, of course, are not telling him 241 00:12:31,333 --> 00:12:33,533 exactly what the call is about, 242 00:12:33,567 --> 00:12:35,200 just sort of trying to see 243 00:12:35,233 --> 00:12:38,000 what information he'll provide on his own. 244 00:12:39,166 --> 00:12:41,500 He says, "My friends are inside. 245 00:12:41,533 --> 00:12:43,166 They're arguing." 246 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,767 "What are they arguing about?" 247 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,867 "Oh, you know, relationship stuff." 248 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:50,600 At which point in time, they knock on the door. 249 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:54,967 Tess answers the door. 250 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,200 Bryan is standing a little bit back 251 00:12:57,233 --> 00:12:59,367 inside the house, behind her. 252 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,500 And they bring those two out as well 253 00:13:02,533 --> 00:13:06,166 and start talking to them about Linda. 254 00:13:08,166 --> 00:13:10,767 [Adrian] When officers first talked to Tess, 255 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,567 she says that her mom had been gone 256 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,100 for a number of weeks, 257 00:13:14,133 --> 00:13:16,333 that she didn't know where her mom had gone, 258 00:13:16,367 --> 00:13:18,400 that she was taking a trip, 259 00:13:18,433 --> 00:13:19,767 that, before she left, 260 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,166 Linda had told Tess she would be back 261 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,900 before Tess' truancy court appearance in April 262 00:13:25,934 --> 00:13:28,200 that Linda and Tess needed to appear at. 263 00:13:30,066 --> 00:13:34,367 Bryan initially tells officers that Linda had gone for a walk 264 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,166 earlier that evening, 265 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,233 wearing just a gray hoodie in the freezing Colorado winter 266 00:13:40,266 --> 00:13:42,467 and just hadn't returned as of yet. 267 00:13:44,967 --> 00:13:48,667 Anytime officers receive different versions of a story, 268 00:13:48,700 --> 00:13:50,900 alarm bells are going to be going off. 269 00:13:50,934 --> 00:13:52,400 [Scott] They didn't have a search warrant, 270 00:13:52,433 --> 00:13:53,800 but patrol officers knew 271 00:13:53,834 --> 00:13:56,033 that they had something going on here. 272 00:13:56,066 --> 00:13:58,834 There was a hole in the garage door 273 00:13:58,867 --> 00:14:00,367 and they could actually look inside 274 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,100 and see that there was a Subaru 275 00:14:02,133 --> 00:14:05,300 just like the anonymous caller was calling about. 276 00:14:05,333 --> 00:14:07,567 So, at that point, they ended up taking all three 277 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,200 back to the police department. 278 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,000 [Kimberly] While the teenagers are taken to provide 279 00:14:16,033 --> 00:14:17,634 more detailed statements, 280 00:14:17,667 --> 00:14:19,233 police are at the residence 281 00:14:19,266 --> 00:14:20,734 waiting for the search warrant to come in 282 00:14:20,767 --> 00:14:22,200 so they can search the residence 283 00:14:22,233 --> 00:14:24,500 and verify the claims made by the caller. 284 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,000 [Gary] Tess, Bryan and Pilgrim 285 00:14:29,033 --> 00:14:31,900 were transported to the Lafayette Police Department 286 00:14:31,934 --> 00:14:33,533 on their own will. They were not arrested. 287 00:14:33,567 --> 00:14:34,734 They weren't handcuffed. 288 00:14:34,767 --> 00:14:37,166 And they were informed that they were free to go 289 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,767 anytime they wanted to. 290 00:14:39,433 --> 00:14:40,500 They were brought there 291 00:14:40,533 --> 00:14:42,700 so that we could start contacting their parents 292 00:14:42,734 --> 00:14:44,634 or responsible party. 293 00:14:44,667 --> 00:14:47,233 With juveniles, we have to have a parent's permission 294 00:14:47,266 --> 00:14:49,433 in order to do that Miranda with them. 295 00:14:51,066 --> 00:14:54,200 [Scott] I was assigned to speak with Bryan Grove. 296 00:14:54,233 --> 00:14:56,133 I actually spoke with his father first 297 00:14:56,166 --> 00:14:57,567 'cause he's a juvenile. 298 00:15:05,867 --> 00:15:08,133 Bryan seemed a bit nervous. 299 00:15:08,166 --> 00:15:09,600 He's 17 years old. 300 00:15:09,634 --> 00:15:10,900 He's been in trouble before. 301 00:15:10,934 --> 00:15:13,533 But he was also a bit calm as well. 302 00:15:13,567 --> 00:15:15,200 You know, it was a combination of both. 303 00:16:13,867 --> 00:16:16,567 What he basically said was, "Hey, I lied to the police 304 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,233 by saying I saw her earlier in the evening." 305 00:16:19,266 --> 00:16:21,100 He's like, "She's been missing for three weeks." 306 00:16:23,233 --> 00:16:26,400 Which was Tess' original story as well. 307 00:16:26,433 --> 00:16:29,967 And in his mind, you know, he had a story 308 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,300 and he was gonna stick with it. 309 00:16:52,734 --> 00:16:54,500 But as we got to talking, 310 00:16:54,533 --> 00:16:55,767 I developed a rapport with him 311 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,400 and kind of let him know that, "Hey, 312 00:16:57,433 --> 00:16:58,834 we're on top of this. 313 00:16:58,867 --> 00:17:00,600 And we're gonna solve this. 314 00:17:00,634 --> 00:17:02,767 We're gonna do a search warrant at the house." 315 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,600 At that point, his demeanor started to change. 316 00:17:32,634 --> 00:17:34,000 I think he realized that 317 00:17:34,033 --> 00:17:36,333 "Okay, this is serious. They have me. 318 00:17:36,667 --> 00:17:38,033 They've got us." 319 00:17:38,066 --> 00:17:39,967 And I could tell he was kind of right at that point 320 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,166 where he was gonna start telling me the truth. 321 00:18:29,967 --> 00:18:31,800 [Scott speaking] 322 00:18:35,033 --> 00:18:37,867 I was a crisis negotiator for years on the SWAT Team. 323 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:39,767 And you don't normally 324 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,166 let someone talk to a third person. 325 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,367 But, in this situation, it made sense. 326 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,667 We knew they were together in a relationship. 327 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:00,667 We were right there. 328 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:02,600 So if anything strange happened, 329 00:19:02,634 --> 00:19:04,500 we could certainly break it up. 330 00:19:16,066 --> 00:19:18,567 [Kimberly] I think it's very interesting and also telling 331 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,166 that, in the moment, his primary thought is 332 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,033 "Where's Tess? I need to see her." 333 00:19:23,066 --> 00:19:25,400 I think that's a little bit of an unusual reaction 334 00:19:25,433 --> 00:19:26,967 to being in this position. 335 00:19:28,634 --> 00:19:31,600 But it also shows how obsessed he was with her. 336 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,934 [Adrian] They did allow the two of them to hug... 337 00:19:47,967 --> 00:19:49,500 and sort of have a moment 338 00:19:49,533 --> 00:19:51,967 before Tess was then taken out of the room. 339 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:00,100 [Scott] I think it was a way for us to establish 340 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:02,567 a little bit of trust with Bryan. 341 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,367 And it kind of puts it back on him that, "Hey, 342 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,066 we allowed you to see her. 343 00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:09,300 Tell me what really happened." 344 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,867 [Stacy] Tess is almost like a security blanket for Bryan 345 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:14,133 at this point. 346 00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:16,100 He needs that physical check-in 347 00:20:16,133 --> 00:20:17,700 to give him courage. 348 00:20:17,734 --> 00:20:20,066 But she's also a reminder of 349 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:21,900 everything he has to lose here. 350 00:20:24,667 --> 00:20:26,367 [Scott] The story that he gave me the second time 351 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,667 was that he was trying to get some sleep 352 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:32,767 and that he ended up having an argument with Linda, 353 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,467 that she came in and yanked him out of bed. 354 00:20:38,634 --> 00:20:40,567 [Bryan speaking] 355 00:20:57,066 --> 00:20:59,734 It was just sort of was a self-defense story. 356 00:20:59,767 --> 00:21:01,700 It just didn't make any sense to me at all. 357 00:21:27,166 --> 00:21:28,033 He said, at this point, 358 00:21:28,066 --> 00:21:30,333 he grabbed her by the throat 359 00:21:30,367 --> 00:21:32,667 and he was strangling her up against the wall 360 00:21:33,133 --> 00:21:34,533 right next to the bed. 361 00:21:34,567 --> 00:21:35,934 He said that she fought back 362 00:21:35,967 --> 00:21:37,467 and was able to hit him in the head. 363 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:39,467 He ended up getting behind her, 364 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:42,033 that he had one arm wrapped around her 365 00:21:42,066 --> 00:21:44,166 and he got her into a choke hold. 366 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,433 And he choked her to unconsciousness. 367 00:21:49,166 --> 00:21:51,533 He thought that he was done, 368 00:21:51,567 --> 00:21:54,066 but Linda wasn't yet deceased. 369 00:21:54,967 --> 00:21:56,834 She began to make noise. 370 00:21:56,867 --> 00:21:58,700 So he reached into his pocket, 371 00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:00,567 he grabbed a pocket knife 372 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,100 and he began to stab her in the neck. 373 00:22:28,333 --> 00:22:29,900 [Scott] Once we got that search warrant, 374 00:22:29,934 --> 00:22:32,934 a team of investigators and crime scene technicians 375 00:22:32,967 --> 00:22:34,133 went into the house. 376 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,400 It was pretty obvious that there was a lot of partying going on. 377 00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:41,233 The house was just filthy. 378 00:22:42,333 --> 00:22:44,600 Food wrappers everywhere. 379 00:22:44,634 --> 00:22:46,800 Some food was just sitting out. 380 00:22:46,834 --> 00:22:48,667 If you took a group of teenagers 381 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,433 and you let 'em play house for about three weeks 382 00:22:51,467 --> 00:22:53,834 just having fun, that's what it looked like. 383 00:22:53,867 --> 00:22:55,467 [Gary] Initially, when we go into the house 384 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,433 the first thing we wanna do is establish 385 00:22:57,467 --> 00:22:59,500 if we have a body inside the house. 386 00:22:59,533 --> 00:23:01,834 The anonymous tip said that the body was in a car 387 00:23:01,867 --> 00:23:02,900 inside the garage. 388 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,033 [Kimberly] When officers entered the garage, 389 00:23:08,066 --> 00:23:09,934 they detected a smell that, to them, 390 00:23:09,967 --> 00:23:10,867 they already knew what it was, 391 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:12,734 which was the smell of decomposition. 392 00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:16,367 [Gary] There was light green colored Subaru 393 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,567 and they were able to see that there was something 394 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,367 wrapped in blankets in the back. 395 00:23:21,367 --> 00:23:24,233 We were able to ID her as being Tess' mom, 396 00:23:25,066 --> 00:23:26,367 Linda Damm. 397 00:23:28,533 --> 00:23:30,934 The primary scene where we found the blood 398 00:23:30,967 --> 00:23:33,400 was up in the bedroom area and on the mattress. 399 00:23:34,567 --> 00:23:37,300 It was apparent that they had moved the body 400 00:23:37,834 --> 00:23:39,100 and used the sheets 401 00:23:39,133 --> 00:23:41,500 in order to move her body to the garage. 402 00:23:42,834 --> 00:23:44,967 Linda was in her pajamas 403 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,467 at the time that her body was recovered 404 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,066 from the back of her own Subaru. 405 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:52,066 It was obvious that she had been deceased 406 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:54,266 for a significant period of time. 407 00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:59,066 When Bryan talks to law enforcement, 408 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:01,600 he told them that he stabbed Linda 409 00:24:01,634 --> 00:24:05,300 four times in the neck and the one time in the mouth. 410 00:24:05,333 --> 00:24:07,533 But, at autopsy, 411 00:24:07,567 --> 00:24:12,233 Linda was discovered to have 18 stab wounds to her neck. 412 00:24:14,767 --> 00:24:17,934 [Stacy] 18 stab wounds is not self-defense. 413 00:24:17,967 --> 00:24:20,100 That's serious rage. 414 00:24:20,133 --> 00:24:22,667 This is a kid who's angry at the world 415 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:26,000 and who's had violent fantasies for a long time. 416 00:24:26,033 --> 00:24:27,600 And, in that moment, 417 00:24:27,634 --> 00:24:30,266 the person he's the most angry with 418 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:32,266 was Linda Damm. 419 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:33,900 [Adrian] He was angry with her 420 00:24:33,934 --> 00:24:37,533 because he didn't believe that she treated Tess well. 421 00:24:37,567 --> 00:24:39,700 He was angry with her because 422 00:24:39,734 --> 00:24:41,333 she was now going to kick him out, 423 00:24:41,367 --> 00:24:43,667 which would then separate the two of them. 424 00:24:49,734 --> 00:24:52,200 [Gary] I met Tess at the police department 425 00:24:52,233 --> 00:24:54,800 after she had been brought over from her house. 426 00:24:54,834 --> 00:24:56,266 She was just sitting in a chair there 427 00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:58,500 in the booking room, waiting. 428 00:24:58,533 --> 00:25:00,967 [Adrian] Police reach out to Tess' estranged father. 429 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,767 They don't know at that point in time 430 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,233 the relationship between them. 431 00:25:04,266 --> 00:25:06,900 They just know this is her father. 432 00:25:06,934 --> 00:25:10,300 He gives permission for them to interview Tess. 433 00:25:13,133 --> 00:25:15,700 I was the initial detective to sit down with Tess 434 00:25:15,734 --> 00:25:16,734 and do an interview with her. 435 00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:20,800 Tess came across as maybe younger than her actual age. 436 00:25:20,834 --> 00:25:24,166 She had no affect whatsoever. 437 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,567 I think the best way to describe it 438 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,934 is it was almost like she was an empty shell of a child. 439 00:25:29,767 --> 00:25:31,367 Very non-emotional. 440 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,734 You know, it just kind of struck me as 441 00:25:33,767 --> 00:25:35,834 where's she coming from in this whole thing? 442 00:25:37,233 --> 00:25:39,900 When I started asking her some basic questions, 443 00:25:39,934 --> 00:25:40,900 at one point, 444 00:25:40,934 --> 00:25:42,634 she looks at me and tells me, she's like, 445 00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:43,734 "It's kind of a big deal 446 00:25:43,767 --> 00:25:44,967 'cause my mom's dead, you know." 447 00:25:53,233 --> 00:25:54,634 [Gary] In talking with Tess, 448 00:25:54,667 --> 00:25:57,000 she explained that February 3rd, 449 00:25:57,033 --> 00:25:59,934 they had gone to the IHOP diner 450 00:25:59,967 --> 00:26:02,000 and Tess would talk about, you know, 451 00:26:02,033 --> 00:26:04,600 wanting Mom out of the picture 452 00:26:04,634 --> 00:26:07,300 and just her frustrations about Mom 453 00:26:07,333 --> 00:26:10,266 and how she didn't like Mom 'cause Mom's an alcoholic. 454 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:12,867 Tess told us that she was voicing this stuff 455 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:13,867 and Bryan tells her, 456 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:15,266 "Well, I can take care of that." 457 00:26:16,033 --> 00:26:17,867 And she says that she didn't know 458 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:20,133 that Bryan was taking her serious. 459 00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:22,800 Maybe Tess was just blowing off steam, 460 00:26:22,834 --> 00:26:26,634 complaining about her mom like any teenage girl would. 461 00:26:26,667 --> 00:26:29,934 But Bryan obviously had a much more violent solution 462 00:26:29,967 --> 00:26:31,734 to the problem in mind. 463 00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:36,266 [Gary] I interviewed Tess first 464 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:38,700 and then I interviewed Pilgrim. 465 00:26:38,734 --> 00:26:41,266 Pilgrim acted like how you would expect a juvenile 466 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,000 in that situation to be acting. 467 00:26:43,033 --> 00:26:44,734 He was concerned about what was going to happen. 468 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,734 Pilgrim's questioning was very key because 469 00:26:52,767 --> 00:26:55,567 now we had somebody who was a little bit separated 470 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,700 from what happened. 471 00:26:56,734 --> 00:27:01,066 He's not emotionally tied to either Bryan or Tess. 472 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:02,300 And so he's able to give us 473 00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:04,333 a little bit more of a straight story 474 00:27:04,367 --> 00:27:06,033 of how it went down 475 00:27:06,066 --> 00:27:09,533 and give us some true perspective on it. 476 00:27:09,567 --> 00:27:11,834 He definitely shed a lot more light 477 00:27:11,867 --> 00:27:14,033 on Tess' involvement in this. 478 00:27:18,734 --> 00:27:21,500 [Gary] Pilgrim said that they had been at the IHOP 479 00:27:22,233 --> 00:27:25,066 and he overhears Tess and Bryan 480 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,500 talking back and forth about Linda 481 00:27:27,533 --> 00:27:29,734 and how she's an alcoholic 482 00:27:29,767 --> 00:27:32,233 and overhears Tess telling Bryan 483 00:27:32,266 --> 00:27:34,300 that she would like him to take care of that. 484 00:27:34,333 --> 00:27:37,300 And he's like, "I can fix that problem for you." 485 00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:39,567 At first, he didn't think that they were being serious. 486 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,200 They just were blowing off steam 487 00:27:41,233 --> 00:27:43,600 and just kind of talking about the situation. 488 00:27:43,634 --> 00:27:46,200 But then he talked about how it escalated 489 00:27:46,233 --> 00:27:47,834 and it was becoming more serious. 490 00:27:47,867 --> 00:27:48,934 And Bryan's like, 491 00:27:48,967 --> 00:27:50,400 "I'm gonna take care of this for you." 492 00:27:51,767 --> 00:27:53,133 [Adrian] At one point in time, 493 00:27:53,166 --> 00:27:56,033 Tess turns to Pilgrim and asks, 494 00:27:56,066 --> 00:27:58,233 "Do you think we can get away with it?" 495 00:27:58,266 --> 00:28:01,467 Pilgrim says, "Yeah, I think you can get away with it, 496 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,300 but I don't want anything to do with it." 497 00:28:05,367 --> 00:28:06,467 [Scott] Throughout the night, 498 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,066 they discussed it some more. 499 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,166 And things got a little bit more heated 500 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,400 because she was getting calls from her mother 501 00:28:13,433 --> 00:28:14,533 all night long. 502 00:28:14,567 --> 00:28:15,867 [phone ringing] 503 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:19,200 And I remember Pilgrim describing that 504 00:28:19,233 --> 00:28:20,467 is was ten or more calls. 505 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,367 [phone ringing] 506 00:28:23,266 --> 00:28:25,734 They were out extremely late, 507 00:28:26,233 --> 00:28:28,066 past 4:00 a.m. 508 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,600 and Linda is calling. 509 00:28:30,033 --> 00:28:31,634 "You need to get home. 510 00:28:31,667 --> 00:28:33,667 You don't need to be out this late. 511 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:35,834 You need to start going back to school." 512 00:28:35,867 --> 00:28:38,400 Those things that are the ongoing themes 513 00:28:38,433 --> 00:28:39,700 in their relationship, 514 00:28:39,734 --> 00:28:41,634 the ongoing struggles that they're having. 515 00:28:42,433 --> 00:28:44,300 Tess isn't coming home. 516 00:28:44,333 --> 00:28:46,533 She's not listening to her mom. 517 00:28:46,567 --> 00:28:48,533 She's hanging up on her mom. 518 00:28:48,567 --> 00:28:49,834 Mom is calling back. 519 00:28:49,867 --> 00:28:50,900 [phone ringing] 520 00:28:50,934 --> 00:28:52,634 [Scott] At this point, things are escalating. 521 00:28:52,667 --> 00:28:53,834 She keeps calling her back. 522 00:28:53,867 --> 00:28:55,533 She says, "If you don't bring the car back, 523 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:56,834 I'm gonna call the police. 524 00:28:56,867 --> 00:28:58,100 If you don't come home, 525 00:28:58,133 --> 00:28:59,300 if you don't tell me where you are, 526 00:28:59,333 --> 00:29:00,734 Bryan's out of the house." 527 00:29:03,266 --> 00:29:07,000 Tess tells police she dropped Bryan off at the house 528 00:29:07,033 --> 00:29:09,867 because Bryan wanted to go in and go to sleep. 529 00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:14,967 She and Pilgrim wanted to drive around some more. 530 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000 She said that they did that, 531 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,233 that Bryan then called them 532 00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:21,166 and asked them to come back to the house 533 00:29:22,967 --> 00:29:25,333 and that Pilgrim had gone in the home. 534 00:29:25,367 --> 00:29:26,667 And, at that point in time, 535 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:30,600 she thought something might have happened to her mom, 536 00:29:30,634 --> 00:29:32,734 but she didn't know for sure. 537 00:29:33,967 --> 00:29:37,500 And it went through sort of an evolution over time of 538 00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:38,834 how much did she know? 539 00:29:38,867 --> 00:29:40,700 And when did she find out? 540 00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:49,867 [Scott] And then Pilgrim said Bryan calls Tess and says 541 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:51,634 he needs help from Pilgrim. 542 00:29:51,667 --> 00:29:54,567 And, at that point, Linda Damm is already dead. 543 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,934 But Bryan wants help moving the body. 544 00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:58,934 Pilgrim is reluctant to help. 545 00:29:58,967 --> 00:30:00,800 He doesn't wanna get that involved. 546 00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:02,500 But Bryan kind of guilts him into it 547 00:30:02,533 --> 00:30:05,100 and he's like, "Hey, we're all involved at this point. 548 00:30:05,133 --> 00:30:07,233 I need help. If you don't, I'm gonna end up in prison. 549 00:30:07,266 --> 00:30:08,467 You're gonna be in trouble." 550 00:30:09,266 --> 00:30:11,133 So he reluctantly helps, 551 00:30:11,166 --> 00:30:13,934 and they end up moving Linda's body 552 00:30:13,967 --> 00:30:15,867 into the back of the Subaru. 553 00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:30,934 Bryan and Tess tried a lot of different things 554 00:30:30,967 --> 00:30:33,266 to dispose of Linda's body. 555 00:30:34,367 --> 00:30:38,100 At one point, Bryan removed her body from the Subaru, 556 00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:40,900 laid her down on the garage floor 557 00:30:40,934 --> 00:30:43,266 and began to dismember her 558 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,934 in order to make disposal easier. 559 00:30:46,967 --> 00:30:49,000 And he discovered that it was hard 560 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:50,767 and stopped. 561 00:30:54,367 --> 00:30:56,934 And then Bryan reached out to Jared Guy, 562 00:30:56,967 --> 00:30:58,567 his best friend growing up, 563 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,600 and asked him for assistance. 564 00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:02,700 Pilgrim essentially had said, 565 00:31:02,734 --> 00:31:04,200 "I don't wanna be involved in any of that. 566 00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:06,333 I'm not gonna help you get rid of the body." 567 00:31:06,367 --> 00:31:09,767 And so Jared Guy comes into the story 568 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,900 a couple of days after the murder. 569 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,467 [Gary] Multiple times, 570 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:19,667 they tried to figure out what they were gonna do 571 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:21,266 to get rid of her body. 572 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,200 [Adrian] There's a cemetery in Boulder 573 00:31:25,233 --> 00:31:27,033 very close to the high school 574 00:31:27,066 --> 00:31:29,500 that they were attending at the time. 575 00:31:29,533 --> 00:31:32,266 They get to the cemetery about eleven o'clock at night. 576 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,734 They get out of the car. 577 00:31:34,266 --> 00:31:36,567 They get out shovels. 578 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,967 It's of course winter in Colorado, 579 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,533 so the ground is very hard. 580 00:31:43,233 --> 00:31:46,300 Jared Guy says he shoveled one shovelful 581 00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:47,567 and then stopped. 582 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,900 He said it was too hard. 583 00:31:49,934 --> 00:31:54,200 Bryan continues to dig and digs out a small area 584 00:31:54,233 --> 00:31:57,033 that's not big enough to bury Linda in 585 00:31:57,066 --> 00:31:58,967 or really to cover her well. 586 00:32:02,433 --> 00:32:05,500 While they were putting Linda's body inside this hole, 587 00:32:05,533 --> 00:32:06,934 they think that they see somebody. 588 00:32:08,266 --> 00:32:10,300 [Adrian] It's about 1:30 in the morning 589 00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,433 and they see a car 590 00:32:12,467 --> 00:32:14,767 moving at the entrance of the cemetery. 591 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:18,200 They get scared that it's law enforcement. 592 00:32:18,233 --> 00:32:19,867 They put her in the hole there, 593 00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,600 they cover her with dirt, 594 00:32:21,634 --> 00:32:22,967 they get in the car, 595 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,367 they leave. 596 00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:29,066 [Scott] And on the way home, 597 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:30,734 Bryan changed his mind and said, 598 00:32:30,767 --> 00:32:32,300 "No. We gotta go back and get her. 599 00:32:32,333 --> 00:32:33,834 We didn't bury her deep enough." 600 00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,834 And so they returned to the cemetery 601 00:32:36,867 --> 00:32:38,867 and they picked her up and put her back in the Subaru 602 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,400 and took it back home. 603 00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:50,166 [Adrian] Jared relates that while driving back to the house, 604 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,600 Tess is kind of dozing in the back seat. 605 00:32:53,634 --> 00:32:56,000 He's playing a CD. 606 00:32:56,033 --> 00:32:58,066 And after this event where they've just tried 607 00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,066 to bury her dead mother, 608 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:02,100 she sits up and asks him, 609 00:33:02,133 --> 00:33:04,433 "Would you burn me a copy of that CD?" 610 00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:10,233 This could be what we call disassociation. 611 00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:12,567 Tess can't handle the fact that her mother's body 612 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,033 is in the trunk of the car, 613 00:33:14,066 --> 00:33:15,934 so her brain is disconnecting 614 00:33:15,967 --> 00:33:17,734 from what's happening around her. 615 00:33:20,734 --> 00:33:22,834 [Kimberly] Police ask Tess, 616 00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:25,233 "How are you living in that house for 25 days 617 00:33:25,266 --> 00:33:27,300 with your mother's body in the garage?" 618 00:33:27,834 --> 00:33:28,900 And she indicated 619 00:33:28,934 --> 00:33:30,734 that she didn't really think much of it. 620 00:33:30,767 --> 00:33:33,667 It was basically as though her body wasn't even there. 621 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,734 Tess was only 15 years old. 622 00:33:36,767 --> 00:33:38,867 And there is established science 623 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,433 in regards to the development of a juvenile brain 624 00:33:42,467 --> 00:33:44,900 and how that relates to responsibility 625 00:33:44,934 --> 00:33:47,000 in terms of a criminal case. 626 00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:49,033 It is possible that this could be a sign 627 00:33:49,066 --> 00:33:50,734 of a very young offender. 628 00:33:50,767 --> 00:33:53,233 But it could also be that she has sociopathic 629 00:33:53,266 --> 00:33:55,834 or psychopathic tendencies, 630 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:59,333 which means Tess may truly have no conscience 631 00:33:59,367 --> 00:34:00,834 about what happened. 632 00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,100 [Bryan speaking] 633 00:34:17,867 --> 00:34:19,400 [Scott] The thing about Bryan, 634 00:34:19,433 --> 00:34:21,600 he didn't wanna blame anybody else but himself. 635 00:34:22,667 --> 00:34:24,667 But without Tess, 636 00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:26,734 I don't think this murder happens. 637 00:34:35,734 --> 00:34:38,934 [Scott] Our investigation showed that the night of the murder... 638 00:34:38,967 --> 00:34:40,367 - [phone ringing] - ...they're heading home 639 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,667 and they're still getting calls. 640 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,100 Tess got a last call at 5:13 a.m. 641 00:34:45,133 --> 00:34:47,400 and Linda was done. 642 00:34:47,433 --> 00:34:50,033 Finally, I think Linda just sort of snapped. 643 00:34:50,066 --> 00:34:51,800 "Fine. If you don't wanna come home, 644 00:34:51,834 --> 00:34:53,033 if you don't wanna do these things, 645 00:34:53,066 --> 00:34:55,200 Bryan can't live here anymore. 646 00:34:55,233 --> 00:34:57,300 I'm gonna pack up a bag of his stuff 647 00:34:57,333 --> 00:34:58,867 and he needs to go somewhere else." 648 00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:03,133 [Scott] After Tess gets off the phone, 649 00:35:03,166 --> 00:35:04,533 they pull up in the driveway 650 00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:07,200 and they see the duffle bag is on the porch. 651 00:35:09,834 --> 00:35:12,734 And the Pilgrim said that Tess turns to Bryan and says, 652 00:35:12,767 --> 00:35:13,634 "Do it." 653 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,967 Bryan kisses her, 654 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,700 they both tell each other "I love you," 655 00:35:20,934 --> 00:35:22,400 and he gets out of the car... 656 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,066 and goes inside. 657 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,867 [Stacy] You have to remember 658 00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:56,900 Bryan is very young as well, 659 00:35:56,934 --> 00:35:58,967 just 17 years old. 660 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,900 He's clearly not understanding 661 00:36:00,934 --> 00:36:03,500 the consequences of his confession. 662 00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:07,033 Also, for the first time in his life, 663 00:36:07,066 --> 00:36:09,567 he feels loved and accepted. 664 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,634 And he may be afraid of losing that. 665 00:36:15,233 --> 00:36:17,533 [Scott] Bryan was charged with first degree murder. 666 00:36:17,567 --> 00:36:19,000 Tess was charged with 667 00:36:19,033 --> 00:36:21,767 conspiracy to commit first degree murder. 668 00:36:22,967 --> 00:36:24,900 I think the reality of it is she knew 669 00:36:24,934 --> 00:36:27,300 that Bryan would do anything for her. 670 00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:28,800 I think that she truly did 671 00:36:28,834 --> 00:36:30,500 want her mom out of the picture. 672 00:36:31,233 --> 00:36:33,467 I believe that she's the catalyst 673 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:35,600 that started the whole thing. 674 00:36:36,767 --> 00:36:37,967 [Adrian] Tess never would tell us 675 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,900 that she gave the ultimate go-ahead 676 00:36:40,934 --> 00:36:43,266 for Bryan to kill Linda. 677 00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:47,367 But Bryan Grove would never have killed Linda Damm 678 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,367 without Tess' permission, 679 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,667 without Tess' direction. 680 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:55,400 If you kill the mother of the woman that you love 681 00:36:55,433 --> 00:36:56,667 without that person saying 682 00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:58,500 that that's and okay thing to do, 683 00:36:58,533 --> 00:37:00,634 that's pretty much a deal-breaker. 684 00:37:00,667 --> 00:37:03,533 The relationship is over at that point in time. 685 00:37:03,567 --> 00:37:05,266 Through our investigation, it was pretty obvious 686 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,367 that Tess was pretty cold and calculating 687 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,533 with her involvement in this murder. 688 00:37:11,934 --> 00:37:14,333 The reality is both of these kids 689 00:37:14,367 --> 00:37:16,367 are responsible for Linda Damm's murder. 690 00:37:16,967 --> 00:37:18,834 Bryan wielded the knife, 691 00:37:18,867 --> 00:37:21,800 but it seems that Tess was pulling the strings. 692 00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:27,667 [Adrian] Bryan Grove was charged as an adult. 693 00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,567 He pled guilty to second degree murder 694 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,800 and was sentenced to 40 years. 695 00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:36,467 His estimated parole eligibility date 696 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,967 is December 22nd, 2031. 697 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,867 He did what he did. He killed somebody. 698 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:44,533 He ended somebody's life. 699 00:37:44,567 --> 00:37:48,734 That's not okay on any level. 700 00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:52,133 [Adrian] Tess was also charged as an adult in this case. 701 00:37:52,967 --> 00:37:55,400 As we moved through the process, 702 00:37:55,433 --> 00:38:00,533 she began to kind of play the card of abused child, 703 00:38:00,567 --> 00:38:03,867 indicating that her mother had been abusive towards her. 704 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,567 But we were never able to verify 705 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,667 or substantiate those particular claims. 706 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:12,433 And then as we were moving through sentencing, 707 00:38:12,467 --> 00:38:14,133 she would raise allegations 708 00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:16,834 with respect to her relationship with Bryan itself, 709 00:38:17,767 --> 00:38:20,667 alleging that he was abusive towards her. 710 00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,634 But there was never any indication 711 00:38:22,667 --> 00:38:24,934 that Bryan had ever in any way, shape or form 712 00:38:24,967 --> 00:38:26,834 been violent towards Tess. 713 00:38:26,867 --> 00:38:29,500 She was trying to start telling us that, you know, 714 00:38:29,533 --> 00:38:32,200 she was brainwashed in the whole thing by Bryan. 715 00:38:32,233 --> 00:38:33,600 That was never mentioned to me 716 00:38:33,634 --> 00:38:35,333 when we were at the police department 717 00:38:35,367 --> 00:38:37,100 when we did the interview with her. 718 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:42,367 In some ways, this is the most telling part of the story. 719 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,767 In her attempt to save herself, 720 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,066 Tess is willing to sell out the person 721 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,400 who sacrificed his freedom for her. 722 00:38:51,634 --> 00:38:54,567 [Andrew] I do think that Tess loved Bryan. 723 00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:00,200 But maybe not in the way that you or I would think 724 00:39:01,066 --> 00:39:02,533 love really is. 725 00:39:03,634 --> 00:39:05,433 I know she cared about him. 726 00:39:06,734 --> 00:39:10,166 But not enough that she would put him 727 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,467 before her own needs. 728 00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:16,333 And she thought she needed Linda dead. 729 00:39:18,033 --> 00:39:20,500 Tess manipulated him 730 00:39:20,533 --> 00:39:24,000 into horrifically stabbing her to death. 731 00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:31,000 [Adrian] So Tess pled guilty to second degree murder 732 00:39:31,033 --> 00:39:35,000 and solicitation to commit murder in the first degree. 733 00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,266 Tess Damm was released on parole in 2019. 734 00:39:53,233 --> 00:39:56,033 [Scott] I'm not sure how I feel about that. 735 00:39:56,066 --> 00:39:59,066 Her role in this was horrible. 736 00:40:00,033 --> 00:40:01,700 She's gonna have to live with it. 737 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,767 But, again, she was 15 at the time. 738 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,600 I think you have to take that into consideration. 739 00:40:09,667 --> 00:40:11,066 [Kimberly] The sentence she received 740 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:12,934 is reflective of the age she was 741 00:40:12,967 --> 00:40:14,467 when it was committed. 742 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,667 If someone who was 20 years older than her 743 00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:17,634 did the same thing, 744 00:40:17,667 --> 00:40:19,767 they would receive significantly more time. 745 00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:26,900 [Adrian] We're looking at a child being involved 746 00:40:26,934 --> 00:40:29,667 in the death of their parent. 747 00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:32,500 Some might say even ordering the death of their parent. 748 00:40:34,133 --> 00:40:36,634 Linda Damm loved her daughter. 749 00:40:36,667 --> 00:40:39,367 Tess repaid that love with murder. 750 00:40:40,734 --> 00:40:44,900 [Steve] I do feel like Tess had a terrible childhood 751 00:40:44,934 --> 00:40:49,500 with her mom being an alcoholic the way she was. 752 00:40:49,533 --> 00:40:51,800 But to think that it was her own daughter 753 00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,200 who had murdered Linda, 754 00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:55,500 that's just beyond comprehension, really. 755 00:40:56,634 --> 00:40:58,600 [Andrew] Nobody's life is perfect. 756 00:40:58,634 --> 00:41:00,300 Your life's not perfect. 757 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,700 Your life's not perfect. 758 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,266 Get over it. 759 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,100 Yeah, no, your mom wasn't perfect, by all means. 760 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,800 But she didn't deserve to die 761 00:41:09,834 --> 00:41:11,100 because she was... 762 00:41:12,834 --> 00:41:14,333 not nice to you. 763 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,367 [man #1] She was bright. She was sexual. 764 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,333 She was a seductress. 765 00:41:26,367 --> 00:41:29,667 [man #2] In the middle of one investigation, 766 00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,100 another murder comes up? 767 00:41:32,133 --> 00:41:35,967 [man #1] That's when all hell breaks loose. 58480

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