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[man speaking on phone]
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[Gary Thatcher]
Linda was a single mom
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trying to do her best
with her daughter.
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[Adrian Van Nice] Tess was
fairly out of control.
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Bryan wanted people
to believe he was capable
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of awful and dark things.
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Once they met,
fireworks were going to fly.
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I think they were obsessed
with each other.
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[Andrew Red] He was so blindly
dedicated to her,
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no matter what.
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[Adrian] It was like that
Romeo and Juliet
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"I'll do anything for you"
devotion.
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At this point,
things were escalating.
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He's like, "I can
fix that problem for you."
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Tess was very manipulative.
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[Gary] I believe
that she's the catalyst
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that started the whole thing.
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She knew that Bryan
would do anything for her.
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[Bryan speaking]
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Lafayette was pretty small
when I was growing up there.
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There wasn't a lot to do.
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We'd go and
wander the streets.
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Two kids growing up
in Lafayette,
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who felt like outsiders
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and were looking for
a sense of power,
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started down a road
of manipulation,
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conflict and violence.
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[Scott Robinson] Bryan Grove
was a 17-year-old.
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He met Tess at Project YES,
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which is kind of
a community program
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for youth after school.
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Initially,
Tess didn't like Bryan.
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But I think Bryan grew
on Tess a bit
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and then they began to date.
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[Kimberly Diego]
These are two young people
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going through a very similar
time in their life,
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experiencing similar issues.
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Once they met,
fireworks were going to fly
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and it was going to be
a very strong connection.
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Bryan was very into
Insane Clown Posse.
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He considered himself
a juggalo.
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Great music.
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But some folks utilized
their message in the wrong way
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in order to
justify certain behaviors.
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And that was something that
was very attractive to Bryan,
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that sort
of antisocial aspect.
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[Scott] When he started
dating Tess,
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she got involved
in that scene as well.
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They weren't
the mainstream kids.
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They were
a little bit rebellious.
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We were the kids that
cut class and smoked weed
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and didn't
care what people said
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and did dumb [bleep]
just because it was fun.
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Bryan Grove had been adopted
by a family in Lafayette
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from India.
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[Andrew] Bryan appreciated
and loved his adopted family.
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But he felt outcast
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from at least what he told--
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you know...
he didn't fit in anywhere.
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And when he was younger,
he got picked on a lot.
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Bryan really struggled
in Lafayette.
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He had a hard time in school.
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And he had fascinations about
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doing violent things
at school.
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[Scott] Bryan's Myspace
had things like
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Insane Clown Posse
lyrics on it.
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At one point, he talked about
going into a school
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and shooting people.
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He talked about a fascination
with knives and stabbing
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and things like that.
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[Stacy] This is a kid
who feels like an outsider.
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And he's found a group
devoted to outsiders
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just like him,
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followers of
Insane Clown Posse,
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the juggalos.
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Their violent imagery,
the so-called Dark Carnival,
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has clearly influenced
his thinking.
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[Adrian]
Bryan had, in the past,
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made threats
to kill individuals.
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He wanted people
to believe that he was capable
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of awful and dark things.
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Tess Damm was
a 15-year-old girl
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who's not going to school,
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fairly out of control.
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She had an estranged
relationship with her father,
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who really didn't have
anything to do with her.
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She had a difficult
relationship with her mom,
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who by all accounts had
some struggles with alcohol.
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[Gary] Linda was a single mom
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trying to do her best
with her daughter.
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[Scott]
She was working two jobs.
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She tried to be a good mother.
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Linda did provide a nice home
in a suburban neighborhood.
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[Gary] Linda had lost her job.
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This, of course, made things
more difficult at home
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and she started drinking more.
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[Scott] Tess used to journal
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and she talked about how well
she got along with her mom
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and how much she loved her.
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But when she would drink,
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they wouldn't get along.
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It sounds like maybe just
when things got rough,
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Linda turned to the drinking
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and I think she disengaged
a little bit.
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[Steve Waddig] There were
lots of rumors about Tess
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when she was in high school.
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A coworker of mine,
her husband
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was one of Tess' teachers
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and said she would try
to be seductive
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and entice teenage boys
at her school.
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[Stacy] It's not unusual,
of course,
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for a teenage girl to test
the power of her sexuality,
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especially when she feels
powerless at home.
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[Scott] Bryan and Tess met
around Halloween 2006.
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Bryan's feelings for Tess
were pretty intense.
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He was obsessed with her,
I would say.
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I think they were obsessed
with each other.
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And I think they were
a bit codependent.
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They did not like
to be apart at all.
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It very much felt like that
Romeo and Juliet
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"I'll do anything for you,
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we're meant to be
together forever,"
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star-crossed lovers' devotion
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from Bryan towards Tess.
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She had Bryan wrapped
around her little finger.
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[Andrew] He was so smitten.
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I mean, head over heels
doesn't even do it justice.
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He was so blindly
dedicated to her,
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no matter what.
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Just, from the get-go.
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[Scott] Tess' mother, Linda,
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was not happy
with that relationship.
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After Bryan completed
high school early,
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he moved out
of his parents' home
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and he lived in a condominium
with a friend.
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And at one point,
Tess ran away
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and was basically
living with Bryan.
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[Adrian]
There's tons of tension between Tess and Linda
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because Linda is expecting
Tess to do things like
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go to school,
do her homework,
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do things around the house,
all of those things
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that parents expect
their kids to do.
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Linda really wanted to
raise her right
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and really tried to
do the right thing with her.
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Tess and Bryan wanted
to be very independent,
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but they were still juveniles.
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Linda wanted to be a mother
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and she didn't want them to
leave and be out on their own.
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So Linda had
to basically compromise
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to get her daughter
back in the home.
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[Adrian] It became clear
that the only way
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that Linda was going to get
Tess to return home,
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where Linda could make sure
that she's taken care of,
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was to allow her to bring
her 17-year-old boyfriend
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back with her.
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[Kimberly]
What she was trying to do
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was control
an uncontrollable situation.
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She knew they're going to be
together no matter what.
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It might as well be
under my roof,
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where I can have some
line of sight
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on what is happening.
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[Gary] She thinks that she can
keep a closer eye on him
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and just kind of watch
what's going on with them.
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But she realizes
they were being intimate with each other.
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Tess actually has, uh, a scare
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with maybe being pregnant
at one point.
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That made the relationship
with Bryan and Linda
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become contentious.
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She saw Bryan
as now the problem
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and Tess was spiraling
out of control.
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Linda now has two wild
teenagers living with her.
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And she's got
her own problems.
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She's clearly not capable
of handling this situation.
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But she doesn't know
how to fix it.
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Linda's not happy about
Bryan living in the house.
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And, at this point,
things are escalating.
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[Andrew] I do remember
Tess and Bryan
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got to one of those
big, big, like,
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"My parents are never
gonna love me again.
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And I hate my parents.
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And I hope they go to Dante's
seventh level of Hell."
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And all that
overdramatic stuff.
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Tess and Bryan would say,
"Well, wouldn't it be easier
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if we just lived
by ourselves?"
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Or "Wouldn't it be easier
if she wasn't here?"
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[Scott] One night,
Tess and Bryan went to their favorite spot.
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[phone ringing]
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Linda called Tess 16 times.
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[phone ringing]
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They're out
trying to have a good time
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and Mom is calling
and sort of harassing Tess,
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at least in her point of view.
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Linda wants to know
where they are.
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She says,
"If you don't come home,
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if you don't tell me
where you are,
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Bryan's out of the house."
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You just saw how angry
Tess was with her mom.
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And you would see how upset
it would make Bryan
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to see Tess that hurt.
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But what idiot kid
doesn't say,
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"God, I wish my parents
were dead"?
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[phone ringing]
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A little bit after ten o'clock
on February 27th, 2007,
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a call comes into 911
with an anonymous tipster.
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[Gary] There's times
when we get anonymous tips
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in the middle of the night.
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And they usually have
very vague,
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very little information
that we can't do much with.
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In this particular case,
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it was something that
made us pay close attention.
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[tipster on phone]
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Lafayette Police Department
received an anonymous call.
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The caller told dispatch
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that they had been up
to this house.
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They kind of describe
the house
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and the neighborhood
where it was at.
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[tipster on phone]
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[Gary] Dispatch sends out
patrol officers
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to the neighborhood where
they believe this call
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was, uh, referencing.
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One of the sergeants knew
that there was a Tess Damm
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up in that neighborhood.
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[Scott]
The patrol division was familiar with Linda and Tess
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because they had been
called out there
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several times in the past.
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Nothing real serious,
just normal family issues.
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Tess had run away before.
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And they would have
some pretty heated arguments.
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[Adrian] As they began
to walk up to the house,
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a juvenile that individuals
refer to as "Pilgrim"
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was coming out.
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Pilgrim was friends with both
Tess and Bryan through school.
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[officer speaking]
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[Gary] Patrol officers start
asking him some questions
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about where is Linda
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and who's the parent
here at this house.
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Pilgrim tells patrol officers
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that she just wasn't there
at the time.
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She's on vacation.
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Officers, of course,
are not telling him
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exactly what the call
is about,
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just sort of trying to see
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what information
he'll provide on his own.
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He says,
"My friends are inside.
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They're arguing."
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"What are they arguing about?"
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"Oh, you know,
relationship stuff."
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At which point in time,
they knock on the door.
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Tess answers the door.
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Bryan is standing
a little bit back
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inside the house,
behind her.
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And they bring those two
out as well
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and start talking to them
about Linda.
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[Adrian] When officers first
talked to Tess,
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she says that her mom
had been gone
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for a number of weeks,
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that she didn't know
where her mom had gone,
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that she was taking a trip,
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that, before she left,
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Linda had told Tess
she would be back
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before Tess' truancy court
appearance in April
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that Linda and Tess
needed to appear at.
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Bryan initially tells officers
that Linda had gone for a walk
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earlier that evening,
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wearing just a gray hoodie in
the freezing Colorado winter
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and just hadn't returned
as of yet.
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Anytime officers receive
different versions of a story,
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alarm bells are going to
be going off.
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[Scott] They didn't have
a search warrant,
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but patrol officers knew
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that they had
something going on here.
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There was a hole
in the garage door
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and they could actually
look inside
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and see that
there was a Subaru
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just like the anonymous caller
was calling about.
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So, at that point,
they ended up taking all three
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back to the police department.
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[Kimberly] While the teenagers
are taken to provide
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more detailed statements,
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police are at the residence
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waiting for the search warrant
to come in
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so they can search
the residence
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and verify the claims
made by the caller.
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[Gary]
Tess, Bryan and Pilgrim
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were transported to the
Lafayette Police Department
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on their own will.
They were not arrested.
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They weren't handcuffed.
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And they were informed
that they were free to go
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anytime they wanted to.
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They were brought there
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so that we could start
contacting their parents
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or responsible party.
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With juveniles, we have
to have a parent's permission
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in order to do
that Miranda with them.
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[Scott] I was assigned
to speak with Bryan Grove.
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I actually spoke
with his father first
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'cause he's a juvenile.
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Bryan seemed a bit nervous.
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He's 17 years old.
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He's been in trouble before.
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But he was also
a bit calm as well.
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You know, it was
a combination of both.
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What he basically said was,
"Hey, I lied to the police
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by saying I saw her
earlier in the evening."
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He's like, "She's been missing
for three weeks."
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Which was Tess'
original story as well.
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And in his mind, you know,
he had a story
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and he was
gonna stick with it.
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But as we got to talking,
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I developed a rapport
with him
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and kind of let him know
that, "Hey,
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we're on top of this.
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And we're gonna solve this.
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We're gonna do a
search warrant at the house."
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At that point, his demeanor
started to change.
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I think he realized that
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"Okay, this is serious.
They have me.
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They've got us."
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And I could tell he was
kind of right at that point
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where he was gonna
start telling me the truth.
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[Scott speaking]
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I was a crisis negotiator
for years on the SWAT Team.
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And you don't normally
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let someone talk to
a third person.
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But, in this situation,
it made sense.
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We knew they were together
in a relationship.
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We were right there.
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So if anything
strange happened,
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we could certainly
break it up.
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[Kimberly] I think it's very
interesting and also telling
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that, in the moment,
his primary thought is
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"Where's Tess?
I need to see her."
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I think that's a little bit
of an unusual reaction
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to being in this position.
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But it also shows
how obsessed he was with her.
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[Adrian] They did allow
the two of them to hug...
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and sort of have a moment
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before Tess was then
taken out of the room.
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[Scott] I think it was
a way for us to establish
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a little bit of trust
with Bryan.
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And it kind of puts it back
on him that, "Hey,
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we allowed you to see her.
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Tell me what really happened."
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[Stacy] Tess is almost like
a security blanket for Bryan
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at this point.
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He needs
that physical check-in
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to give him courage.
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But she's also a reminder of
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everything
he has to lose here.
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[Scott] The story that
he gave me the second time
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was that he was trying
to get some sleep
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and that he ended up
having an argument with Linda,
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that she came in
and yanked him out of bed.
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[Bryan speaking]
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It was just sort of was
a self-defense story.
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It just didn't make
any sense to me at all.
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He said, at this point,
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he grabbed her by the throat
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and he was strangling her
up against the wall
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right next to the bed.
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He said that she fought back
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and was able
to hit him in the head.
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He ended up
getting behind her,
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that he had one arm
wrapped around her
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and he got her
into a choke hold.
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And he choked her to
unconsciousness.
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He thought that he was done,
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but Linda wasn't yet deceased.
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She began to make noise.
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So he reached into his pocket,
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he grabbed a pocket knife
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and he began
to stab her in the neck.
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[Scott] Once we got that
search warrant,
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a team of investigators
and crime scene technicians
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went into the house.
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It was pretty obvious that
there was a lot of partying going on.
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The house was just filthy.
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Food wrappers everywhere.
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Some food was just
sitting out.
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If you took
a group of teenagers
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and you let 'em play house
for about three weeks
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just having fun,
that's what it looked like.
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[Gary] Initially,
when we go into the house
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the first thing we wanna do
is establish
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if we have
a body inside the house.
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The anonymous tip said
that the body was in a car
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inside the garage.
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[Kimberly] When officers
entered the garage,
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they detected a smell that,
to them,
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they already knew what it was,
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which was the smell
of decomposition.
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[Gary] There was light green
colored Subaru
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and they were able to see
that there was something
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wrapped in blankets
in the back.
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We were able to ID her
as being Tess' mom,
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Linda Damm.
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The primary scene
where we found the blood
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was up in the bedroom area
and on the mattress.
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It was apparent that they
had moved the body
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and used the sheets
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in order to move
her body to the garage.
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00:23:42,834 --> 00:23:44,967
Linda was in her pajamas
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at the time
that her body was recovered
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from the back of
her own Subaru.
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It was obvious
that she had been deceased
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for a significant
period of time.
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00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:59,066
When Bryan talks
to law enforcement,
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he told them
that he stabbed Linda
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00:24:01,634 --> 00:24:05,300
four times in the neck
and the one time in the mouth.
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00:24:05,333 --> 00:24:07,533
But, at autopsy,
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Linda was discovered to have
18 stab wounds to her neck.
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[Stacy] 18 stab wounds
is not self-defense.
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That's serious rage.
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00:24:20,133 --> 00:24:22,667
This is a kid
who's angry at the world
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and who's had violent
fantasies for a long time.
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And, in that moment,
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the person he's
the most angry with
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was Linda Damm.
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[Adrian] He was angry with her
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because he didn't believe
that she treated Tess well.
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He was angry with her because
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she was now
going to kick him out,
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which would then
separate the two of them.
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[Gary] I met Tess
at the police department
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after she had been brought
over from her house.
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She was just sitting in
a chair there
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in the booking room,
waiting.
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[Adrian] Police reach out
to Tess' estranged father.
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They don't know
at that point in time
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the relationship between them.
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00:25:04,266 --> 00:25:06,900
They just know
this is her father.
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He gives permission for them
to interview Tess.
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00:25:13,133 --> 00:25:15,700
I was the initial detective
to sit down with Tess
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and do an interview with her.
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00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:20,800
Tess came across as maybe
younger than her actual age.
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She had no affect whatsoever.
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I think the best way
to describe it
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is it was almost like
she was an empty shell of a child.
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Very non-emotional.
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You know, it just kind of
struck me as
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where's she coming from
in this whole thing?
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When I started asking her
some basic questions,
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at one point,
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she looks at me and tells me,
she's like,
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00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:43,734
"It's kind of a big deal
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'cause my mom's dead,
you know."
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00:25:53,233 --> 00:25:54,634
[Gary] In talking with Tess,
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00:25:54,667 --> 00:25:57,000
she explained
that February 3rd,
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they had gone to
the IHOP diner
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and Tess would talk about,
you know,
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wanting Mom
out of the picture
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00:26:04,634 --> 00:26:07,300
and just her frustrations
about Mom
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00:26:07,333 --> 00:26:10,266
and how she didn't like Mom
'cause Mom's an alcoholic.
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Tess told us that
she was voicing this stuff
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00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:13,867
and Bryan tells her,
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"Well, I can
take care of that."
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00:26:16,033 --> 00:26:17,867
And she says
that she didn't know
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that Bryan was
taking her serious.
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00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:22,800
Maybe Tess was
just blowing off steam,
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00:26:22,834 --> 00:26:26,634
complaining about her mom
like any teenage girl would.
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00:26:26,667 --> 00:26:29,934
But Bryan obviously had
a much more violent solution
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00:26:29,967 --> 00:26:31,734
to the problem in mind.
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[Gary]
I interviewed Tess first
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and then
I interviewed Pilgrim.
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Pilgrim acted like how
you would expect a juvenile
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00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,000
in that situation
to be acting.
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00:26:43,033 --> 00:26:44,734
He was concerned about
what was going to happen.
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00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,734
Pilgrim's questioning
was very key because
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now we had somebody
who was a little bit separated
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00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,700
from what happened.
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He's not emotionally tied to
either Bryan or Tess.
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00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:02,300
And so he's able to give us
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00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:04,333
a little bit more of
a straight story
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00:27:04,367 --> 00:27:06,033
of how it went down
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00:27:06,066 --> 00:27:09,533
and give us some
true perspective on it.
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He definitely
shed a lot more light
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00:27:11,867 --> 00:27:14,033
on Tess' involvement in this.
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[Gary] Pilgrim said that
they had been at the IHOP
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and he overhears
Tess and Bryan
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talking back and forth
about Linda
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00:27:27,533 --> 00:27:29,734
and how she's an alcoholic
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00:27:29,767 --> 00:27:32,233
and overhears
Tess telling Bryan
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00:27:32,266 --> 00:27:34,300
that she would like
him to take care of that.
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And he's like, "I can fix
that problem for you."
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00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:39,567
At first, he didn't think
that they were being serious.
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They just were
blowing off steam
487
00:27:41,233 --> 00:27:43,600
and just kind of
talking about the situation.
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00:27:43,634 --> 00:27:46,200
But then he talked about
how it escalated
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00:27:46,233 --> 00:27:47,834
and it was becoming
more serious.
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00:27:47,867 --> 00:27:48,934
And Bryan's like,
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00:27:48,967 --> 00:27:50,400
"I'm gonna take care
of this for you."
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[Adrian] At one point in time,
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Tess turns to Pilgrim
and asks,
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"Do you think
we can get away with it?"
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Pilgrim says, "Yeah, I think
you can get away with it,
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00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,300
but I don't want
anything to do with it."
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00:28:05,367 --> 00:28:06,467
[Scott] Throughout the night,
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00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,066
they discussed it some more.
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00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,166
And things got
a little bit more heated
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because she was getting
calls from her mother
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all night long.
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[phone ringing]
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00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:19,200
And I remember Pilgrim
describing that
504
00:28:19,233 --> 00:28:20,467
is was ten or more calls.
505
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,367
[phone ringing]
506
00:28:23,266 --> 00:28:25,734
They were out extremely late,
507
00:28:26,233 --> 00:28:28,066
past 4:00 a.m.
508
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,600
and Linda is calling.
509
00:28:30,033 --> 00:28:31,634
"You need to get home.
510
00:28:31,667 --> 00:28:33,667
You don't need
to be out this late.
511
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:35,834
You need to start
going back to school."
512
00:28:35,867 --> 00:28:38,400
Those things that are
the ongoing themes
513
00:28:38,433 --> 00:28:39,700
in their relationship,
514
00:28:39,734 --> 00:28:41,634
the ongoing struggles
that they're having.
515
00:28:42,433 --> 00:28:44,300
Tess isn't coming home.
516
00:28:44,333 --> 00:28:46,533
She's not listening
to her mom.
517
00:28:46,567 --> 00:28:48,533
She's hanging up
on her mom.
518
00:28:48,567 --> 00:28:49,834
Mom is calling back.
519
00:28:49,867 --> 00:28:50,900
[phone ringing]
520
00:28:50,934 --> 00:28:52,634
[Scott] At this point,
things are escalating.
521
00:28:52,667 --> 00:28:53,834
She keeps calling her back.
522
00:28:53,867 --> 00:28:55,533
She says, "If you don't
bring the car back,
523
00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:56,834
I'm gonna call the police.
524
00:28:56,867 --> 00:28:58,100
If you don't come home,
525
00:28:58,133 --> 00:28:59,300
if you don't tell me
where you are,
526
00:28:59,333 --> 00:29:00,734
Bryan's out of the house."
527
00:29:03,266 --> 00:29:07,000
Tess tells police she dropped
Bryan off at the house
528
00:29:07,033 --> 00:29:09,867
because Bryan wanted to go in
and go to sleep.
529
00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:14,967
She and Pilgrim wanted
to drive around some more.
530
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000
She said that they did that,
531
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,233
that Bryan then called them
532
00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:21,166
and asked them
to come back to the house
533
00:29:22,967 --> 00:29:25,333
and that Pilgrim
had gone in the home.
534
00:29:25,367 --> 00:29:26,667
And, at that point in time,
535
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:30,600
she thought something might
have happened to her mom,
536
00:29:30,634 --> 00:29:32,734
but she didn't know for sure.
537
00:29:33,967 --> 00:29:37,500
And it went through sort of
an evolution over time of
538
00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:38,834
how much did she know?
539
00:29:38,867 --> 00:29:40,700
And when did she find out?
540
00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:49,867
[Scott] And then Pilgrim said
Bryan calls Tess and says
541
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:51,634
he needs help from Pilgrim.
542
00:29:51,667 --> 00:29:54,567
And, at that point,
Linda Damm is already dead.
543
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,934
But Bryan wants help
moving the body.
544
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:58,934
Pilgrim is reluctant to help.
545
00:29:58,967 --> 00:30:00,800
He doesn't wanna get
that involved.
546
00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:02,500
But Bryan kind of
guilts him into it
547
00:30:02,533 --> 00:30:05,100
and he's like, "Hey, we're
all involved at this point.
548
00:30:05,133 --> 00:30:07,233
I need help. If you don't,
I'm gonna end up in prison.
549
00:30:07,266 --> 00:30:08,467
You're gonna be in trouble."
550
00:30:09,266 --> 00:30:11,133
So he reluctantly helps,
551
00:30:11,166 --> 00:30:13,934
and they end up
moving Linda's body
552
00:30:13,967 --> 00:30:15,867
into the back of the Subaru.
553
00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:30,934
Bryan and Tess tried
a lot of different things
554
00:30:30,967 --> 00:30:33,266
to dispose of Linda's body.
555
00:30:34,367 --> 00:30:38,100
At one point, Bryan removed
her body from the Subaru,
556
00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:40,900
laid her down
on the garage floor
557
00:30:40,934 --> 00:30:43,266
and began to dismember her
558
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,934
in order
to make disposal easier.
559
00:30:46,967 --> 00:30:49,000
And he discovered
that it was hard
560
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:50,767
and stopped.
561
00:30:54,367 --> 00:30:56,934
And then Bryan reached out
to Jared Guy,
562
00:30:56,967 --> 00:30:58,567
his best friend growing up,
563
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,600
and asked him for assistance.
564
00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:02,700
Pilgrim essentially had said,
565
00:31:02,734 --> 00:31:04,200
"I don't wanna be involved
in any of that.
566
00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:06,333
I'm not gonna help you
get rid of the body."
567
00:31:06,367 --> 00:31:09,767
And so Jared Guy comes
into the story
568
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,900
a couple of days after
the murder.
569
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,467
[Gary] Multiple times,
570
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:19,667
they tried to figure out
what they were gonna do
571
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:21,266
to get rid of her body.
572
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,200
[Adrian] There's a cemetery
in Boulder
573
00:31:25,233 --> 00:31:27,033
very close to the high school
574
00:31:27,066 --> 00:31:29,500
that they were attending
at the time.
575
00:31:29,533 --> 00:31:32,266
They get to the cemetery
about eleven o'clock at night.
576
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,734
They get out of the car.
577
00:31:34,266 --> 00:31:36,567
They get out shovels.
578
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,967
It's of course winter
in Colorado,
579
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,533
so the ground is very hard.
580
00:31:43,233 --> 00:31:46,300
Jared Guy says he shoveled
one shovelful
581
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:47,567
and then stopped.
582
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,900
He said it was too hard.
583
00:31:49,934 --> 00:31:54,200
Bryan continues to dig
and digs out a small area
584
00:31:54,233 --> 00:31:57,033
that's not big enough
to bury Linda in
585
00:31:57,066 --> 00:31:58,967
or really to cover her well.
586
00:32:02,433 --> 00:32:05,500
While they were putting
Linda's body inside this hole,
587
00:32:05,533 --> 00:32:06,934
they think
that they see somebody.
588
00:32:08,266 --> 00:32:10,300
[Adrian] It's about
1:30 in the morning
589
00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,433
and they see a car
590
00:32:12,467 --> 00:32:14,767
moving at the entrance
of the cemetery.
591
00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:18,200
They get scared
that it's law enforcement.
592
00:32:18,233 --> 00:32:19,867
They put her
in the hole there,
593
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,600
they cover her with dirt,
594
00:32:21,634 --> 00:32:22,967
they get in the car,
595
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,367
they leave.
596
00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:29,066
[Scott] And on the way home,
597
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:30,734
Bryan changed his mind
and said,
598
00:32:30,767 --> 00:32:32,300
"No. We gotta go back
and get her.
599
00:32:32,333 --> 00:32:33,834
We didn't bury her
deep enough."
600
00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,834
And so they returned to
the cemetery
601
00:32:36,867 --> 00:32:38,867
and they picked her up
and put her back in the Subaru
602
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,400
and took it back home.
603
00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:50,166
[Adrian]
Jared relates that while driving back to the house,
604
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,600
Tess is kind of dozing
in the back seat.
605
00:32:53,634 --> 00:32:56,000
He's playing a CD.
606
00:32:56,033 --> 00:32:58,066
And after this event
where they've just tried
607
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,066
to bury her dead mother,
608
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:02,100
she sits up and asks him,
609
00:33:02,133 --> 00:33:04,433
"Would you burn me
a copy of that CD?"
610
00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:10,233
This could be
what we call disassociation.
611
00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:12,567
Tess can't handle the fact
that her mother's body
612
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,033
is in the trunk of the car,
613
00:33:14,066 --> 00:33:15,934
so her brain is disconnecting
614
00:33:15,967 --> 00:33:17,734
from what's happening
around her.
615
00:33:20,734 --> 00:33:22,834
[Kimberly] Police ask Tess,
616
00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:25,233
"How are you living
in that house for 25 days
617
00:33:25,266 --> 00:33:27,300
with your mother's body
in the garage?"
618
00:33:27,834 --> 00:33:28,900
And she indicated
619
00:33:28,934 --> 00:33:30,734
that she didn't really
think much of it.
620
00:33:30,767 --> 00:33:33,667
It was basically as though
her body wasn't even there.
621
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,734
Tess was only 15 years old.
622
00:33:36,767 --> 00:33:38,867
And there is
established science
623
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,433
in regards to the development
of a juvenile brain
624
00:33:42,467 --> 00:33:44,900
and how that relates
to responsibility
625
00:33:44,934 --> 00:33:47,000
in terms of a criminal case.
626
00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:49,033
It is possible that
this could be a sign
627
00:33:49,066 --> 00:33:50,734
of a very young offender.
628
00:33:50,767 --> 00:33:53,233
But it could also be
that she has sociopathic
629
00:33:53,266 --> 00:33:55,834
or psychopathic tendencies,
630
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:59,333
which means Tess may truly
have no conscience
631
00:33:59,367 --> 00:34:00,834
about what happened.
632
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,100
[Bryan speaking]
633
00:34:17,867 --> 00:34:19,400
[Scott] The thing about Bryan,
634
00:34:19,433 --> 00:34:21,600
he didn't wanna blame
anybody else but himself.
635
00:34:22,667 --> 00:34:24,667
But without Tess,
636
00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:26,734
I don't think
this murder happens.
637
00:34:35,734 --> 00:34:38,934
[Scott] Our investigation
showed that the night of the murder...
638
00:34:38,967 --> 00:34:40,367
- [phone ringing]
- ...they're heading home
639
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,667
and they're
still getting calls.
640
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,100
Tess got a last call
at 5:13 a.m.
641
00:34:45,133 --> 00:34:47,400
and Linda was done.
642
00:34:47,433 --> 00:34:50,033
Finally, I think
Linda just sort of snapped.
643
00:34:50,066 --> 00:34:51,800
"Fine. If you don't
wanna come home,
644
00:34:51,834 --> 00:34:53,033
if you don't wanna do
these things,
645
00:34:53,066 --> 00:34:55,200
Bryan can't live here
anymore.
646
00:34:55,233 --> 00:34:57,300
I'm gonna pack up
a bag of his stuff
647
00:34:57,333 --> 00:34:58,867
and he needs to go
somewhere else."
648
00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:03,133
[Scott] After Tess
gets off the phone,
649
00:35:03,166 --> 00:35:04,533
they pull up
in the driveway
650
00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:07,200
and they see the duffle bag
is on the porch.
651
00:35:09,834 --> 00:35:12,734
And the Pilgrim said that
Tess turns to Bryan and says,
652
00:35:12,767 --> 00:35:13,634
"Do it."
653
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,967
Bryan kisses her,
654
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,700
they both tell each other
"I love you,"
655
00:35:20,934 --> 00:35:22,400
and he gets out of the car...
656
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,066
and goes inside.
657
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,867
[Stacy] You have to remember
658
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:56,900
Bryan is very young as well,
659
00:35:56,934 --> 00:35:58,967
just 17 years old.
660
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,900
He's clearly not understanding
661
00:36:00,934 --> 00:36:03,500
the consequences
of his confession.
662
00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:07,033
Also, for the first time
in his life,
663
00:36:07,066 --> 00:36:09,567
he feels loved and accepted.
664
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,634
And he may be afraid
of losing that.
665
00:36:15,233 --> 00:36:17,533
[Scott] Bryan was charged
with first degree murder.
666
00:36:17,567 --> 00:36:19,000
Tess was charged with
667
00:36:19,033 --> 00:36:21,767
conspiracy to commit
first degree murder.
668
00:36:22,967 --> 00:36:24,900
I think the reality of it
is she knew
669
00:36:24,934 --> 00:36:27,300
that Bryan
would do anything for her.
670
00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:28,800
I think that she truly did
671
00:36:28,834 --> 00:36:30,500
want her mom
out of the picture.
672
00:36:31,233 --> 00:36:33,467
I believe
that she's the catalyst
673
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:35,600
that started the whole thing.
674
00:36:36,767 --> 00:36:37,967
[Adrian]
Tess never would tell us
675
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,900
that she gave
the ultimate go-ahead
676
00:36:40,934 --> 00:36:43,266
for Bryan to kill Linda.
677
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:47,367
But Bryan Grove would never
have killed Linda Damm
678
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,367
without Tess' permission,
679
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,667
without Tess' direction.
680
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:55,400
If you kill the mother
of the woman that you love
681
00:36:55,433 --> 00:36:56,667
without that person saying
682
00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:58,500
that that's
and okay thing to do,
683
00:36:58,533 --> 00:37:00,634
that's pretty much
a deal-breaker.
684
00:37:00,667 --> 00:37:03,533
The relationship is over
at that point in time.
685
00:37:03,567 --> 00:37:05,266
Through our investigation,
it was pretty obvious
686
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,367
that Tess was pretty cold
and calculating
687
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,533
with her involvement
in this murder.
688
00:37:11,934 --> 00:37:14,333
The reality is
both of these kids
689
00:37:14,367 --> 00:37:16,367
are responsible
for Linda Damm's murder.
690
00:37:16,967 --> 00:37:18,834
Bryan wielded the knife,
691
00:37:18,867 --> 00:37:21,800
but it seems that Tess
was pulling the strings.
692
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:27,667
[Adrian] Bryan Grove
was charged as an adult.
693
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,567
He pled guilty
to second degree murder
694
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,800
and was sentenced
to 40 years.
695
00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:36,467
His estimated
parole eligibility date
696
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,967
is December 22nd, 2031.
697
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,867
He did what he did.
He killed somebody.
698
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:44,533
He ended somebody's life.
699
00:37:44,567 --> 00:37:48,734
That's not okay
on any level.
700
00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:52,133
[Adrian] Tess was also charged
as an adult in this case.
701
00:37:52,967 --> 00:37:55,400
As we moved
through the process,
702
00:37:55,433 --> 00:38:00,533
she began to kind of play
the card of abused child,
703
00:38:00,567 --> 00:38:03,867
indicating that her mother
had been abusive towards her.
704
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,567
But we were never able
to verify
705
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,667
or substantiate
those particular claims.
706
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:12,433
And then as we were moving
through sentencing,
707
00:38:12,467 --> 00:38:14,133
she would raise allegations
708
00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:16,834
with respect
to her relationship with Bryan itself,
709
00:38:17,767 --> 00:38:20,667
alleging that he was
abusive towards her.
710
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,634
But there was never
any indication
711
00:38:22,667 --> 00:38:24,934
that Bryan had ever
in any way, shape or form
712
00:38:24,967 --> 00:38:26,834
been violent towards Tess.
713
00:38:26,867 --> 00:38:29,500
She was trying to start
telling us that, you know,
714
00:38:29,533 --> 00:38:32,200
she was brainwashed
in the whole thing by Bryan.
715
00:38:32,233 --> 00:38:33,600
That was never mentioned to me
716
00:38:33,634 --> 00:38:35,333
when we were
at the police department
717
00:38:35,367 --> 00:38:37,100
when we did
the interview with her.
718
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:42,367
In some ways, this is the most
telling part of the story.
719
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,767
In her attempt
to save herself,
720
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,066
Tess is willing
to sell out the person
721
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,400
who sacrificed
his freedom for her.
722
00:38:51,634 --> 00:38:54,567
[Andrew] I do think
that Tess loved Bryan.
723
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:00,200
But maybe not in the way
that you or I would think
724
00:39:01,066 --> 00:39:02,533
love really is.
725
00:39:03,634 --> 00:39:05,433
I know she cared about him.
726
00:39:06,734 --> 00:39:10,166
But not enough
that she would put him
727
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,467
before her own needs.
728
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:16,333
And she thought she needed
Linda dead.
729
00:39:18,033 --> 00:39:20,500
Tess manipulated him
730
00:39:20,533 --> 00:39:24,000
into horrifically
stabbing her to death.
731
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:31,000
[Adrian] So Tess pled guilty
to second degree murder
732
00:39:31,033 --> 00:39:35,000
and solicitation to commit
murder in the first degree.
733
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,266
Tess Damm was released
on parole in 2019.
734
00:39:53,233 --> 00:39:56,033
[Scott] I'm not sure
how I feel about that.
735
00:39:56,066 --> 00:39:59,066
Her role in this was horrible.
736
00:40:00,033 --> 00:40:01,700
She's gonna have to
live with it.
737
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,767
But, again,
she was 15 at the time.
738
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,600
I think you have to take
that into consideration.
739
00:40:09,667 --> 00:40:11,066
[Kimberly]
The sentence she received
740
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:12,934
is reflective
of the age she was
741
00:40:12,967 --> 00:40:14,467
when it was committed.
742
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,667
If someone who was
20 years older than her
743
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:17,634
did the same thing,
744
00:40:17,667 --> 00:40:19,767
they would receive
significantly more time.
745
00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:26,900
[Adrian] We're looking
at a child being involved
746
00:40:26,934 --> 00:40:29,667
in the death of their parent.
747
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:32,500
Some might say even ordering
the death of their parent.
748
00:40:34,133 --> 00:40:36,634
Linda Damm loved her daughter.
749
00:40:36,667 --> 00:40:39,367
Tess repaid that love
with murder.
750
00:40:40,734 --> 00:40:44,900
[Steve] I do feel like
Tess had a terrible childhood
751
00:40:44,934 --> 00:40:49,500
with her mom being an
alcoholic the way she was.
752
00:40:49,533 --> 00:40:51,800
But to think that
it was her own daughter
753
00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,200
who had murdered Linda,
754
00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:55,500
that's just beyond
comprehension, really.
755
00:40:56,634 --> 00:40:58,600
[Andrew] Nobody's life
is perfect.
756
00:40:58,634 --> 00:41:00,300
Your life's not perfect.
757
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,700
Your life's not perfect.
758
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,266
Get over it.
759
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,100
Yeah, no, your mom
wasn't perfect, by all means.
760
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,800
But she didn't deserve
to die
761
00:41:09,834 --> 00:41:11,100
because she was...
762
00:41:12,834 --> 00:41:14,333
not nice to you.
763
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,367
[man #1] She was bright.
She was sexual.
764
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,333
She was a seductress.
765
00:41:26,367 --> 00:41:29,667
[man #2] In the middle
of one investigation,
766
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,100
another murder comes up?
767
00:41:32,133 --> 00:41:35,967
[man #1] That's when
all hell breaks loose.
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